T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is there any way to become more sober more sooner?'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'stomach pump'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'redryn, that wont help.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'try it'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'apparently a slap in the face works according to mythbusters'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, im all for slapping faces.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drink a SHITLOAD of water - it increases total blood alcohol volume, and can help you beat a police test'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Be near a bathromm'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'room*'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh i don't care re: total volume.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i just would like to be more sober so i can remember if jaenelle is loquacious whats her face or not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wasnt sure if exercise or something might help metabolites break down teh alcohol faster'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'your name is really familiar and i dont know why'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe you dreamt about me.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or maybe you spoke with me at length about shopping in kensington market'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except you don't break down alcohol, your liver filters it into your kidneys and you piss it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'alcohol passes the brain blood barrier too though right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yes'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and certain scavenger enzymes break it down in the lymph'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'additionally, when you piss it out, it is usually already broken down as well'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i was under the impression that having too much alcohol would lead to an excess of sugars in the bladder'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but that given time without evacuating the bladder, that it would be recirculated to the kidneys and processed back into the blood if hydration, sulfates/sulfides or so on permitted'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but at the moment, i am perhaps a little bit ossified, so i can't be sure.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'are you trying to teach us something'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. i m trying to figure out if there's anything i can do to speed up the whole figuring out if jaenelle is that loquacious person or not'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i think she was yes'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it sounds like short of imbibing a lot of oxygen or otherwise reducing the amount of nitrates in my system i dont have much chance =/ so maybe i will go sleep it off'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'havoks oh, ok.'
T3/r5/2012-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is still tempted to go sleep it off.
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'SOPA.'
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Discuss.'
T3/r5/2012-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'iran?'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A $63 billion, 10-year U.S. arms package for Saudi Arabia, which includes helicopters, missiles, precision-guided munitions and tanks, was unveiled in 2007 and is now kicking in.  Add the $60 billion for the 83 advanced fighters, and we sold over $120 billion of weapons to saudi arabia.'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iowa caucuses today, huh...'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone keeping track?'
T3/r5/2012-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'Who will win the Iowa Caucus?'
T3/r5/2012-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Obama2012!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"El cielo es azul"...azul is an adjective.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course unambiguously. I just did it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Fiendish agrees with your wife.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Tlaloc: tell your wife that I know significant depth of both, and semiotics is not sociology'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i have known your wife!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'biblically'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well "es azul" and "esta azul" have nothing to do with semiontics, it has to do with the fact that ser and estar are 2 different verbs. The problem with English is that those to verbs are rendered as one.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and that's the only problem with english'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'semiotics*'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so, Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'game is starting, sorry, but she disagrees, so if you want to argue that with her, I'll send you a tell with her name on here. Oh, and if anyone can log this for me, I'd be damn interested to read it later. Anyone willing?'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just know that no one uses max to refer to over/abso/true/whatever max'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i didn't want to get into a whole thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos: the difference has a whole hell of a lot to do with semiotics'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Wehther you use "ez azul" or "esta azul". azul is an adjective in both cases.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Leinei: not really'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure it is'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both the strength and weakness with English lie in the loose structure of the language. The looseness allows compact communication, but that communication is subject to great ambiguity.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's what she said'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"es" implies "_the_sky_ has the same symbolist essence as _blue_", which is an unambiguous even in english (though wrong in most cases) sentence'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I disagree.  Ser can be used to denote a intrinsic quality of something.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is correct, Fiendish. More precisely, "es azul" says that blue is a property of sky. While "esta azul" simply says that, at the moment, the sky is blue.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Anaristos is arguing the very foundation of semiotics here. (you shouldn't say otherwise)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'run away, the barterers are coming!'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I say "Sally is quiet" (a quiet person) and "Sally is quiet" (not speaking at this time), they're both adjectives'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the difference between english and spanish is that in english we would more concretely use relevant words to indicate that we're making a comparison between mirrored symbols (in the semiotic sense). In fact, anyone discussing this in spanish probably would too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'For the first, I'd use ser, for the second, I'd use estar'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, "es muerto" and "esta muerto", very subtle meaning. Both say that "he is dead", but one is a property of the person while the other is a state. In fact, "es muerto" implies that he was killed (by someone).'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But they're both adjectives'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, "es muerto" is rather ambiguous, I am afraid. "muerto" can both be a noun or a past particple of the verb to die (morir)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'muerto is not a noun.  ever'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, maybe not ever ever.  But not in that casse'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'case*'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted using it as a past participle is rather unusual.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Leinei: this might be of use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotic_elements_and_classes_of_signs_%28Peirce%29'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, a debate where I have no opinion what so ever :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'morir, morido, muerto just as you have work, worked, wrought'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(though I always found Peirce to be kind of dense to read)'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, muerto can be a noun, since it can mean a dead person.  So you could say "Bob es un muerto"'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In which case, it's be a noun'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But "Bob es muerto" is an adjective'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe this is better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_%28semiotics%29#Triadic_signs'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what English needs are markers to indicate what the function of the word is, but if they are added, it loses the flexibility which makes it so popular.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'english really doesn't have any problems in this regard'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'people who opt to use words with precision don't have to worry so much about the other person knowing how to properly interpret them'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the distinction between "es" and "esta" is one that relies on the listener to interpret correctly'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, looks like bob's dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'whereas you could easily add extra words to be more explicit'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'bob's fucking dead?'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason that English doesn't have as many problems as it should is because, under normal circumstances, the context is assumed to be obvious. But the issuer of the sentence can keep the context private and there is no way to tell what it is because there are so many.'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, parse this: "a pretty little girls school."'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, parse this: "a pretty little girls" school."'
T3/r5/2012-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's girls''
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, Rick Santorum had a good 24 hours.  But the first google result for "Santorum" is back again to something not about Rick Santorum.'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He was on top of the results for a day or two...'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, Al Gore is for Internet Piracy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zox: 'nice'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'make it 14-6'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'mis, sorry'
T3/r5/2012-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Dogs against Romney?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'transfers - legality? (from q/a)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i call the notion: there is no point in debating!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'second'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'Nobody should be able to transfer anything to anyone, because someone's alt might benefit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'btw, yes to what Domain?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe it was to his rhetorical q'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone loads a newbie alt, I think it's perfectly fine as long as it's something that they would reasonably do for any random (nice) newbie'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'What if the tp I give to my friend's alt ends up eventually circulating around and I win it in a trivia on gametalk!?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if not, it's a bit grey...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Ye gads, I have broken the policies!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Like I said, the time lapse just needs to be reasonable for it to work :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a(n old) rule in some muds that uber-equipping newr players is somewhat illegal -- no doubt to prevent friends uber-equiping each other's alts'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it depends on the time lapse... if it is long enough to make the present value low enough as a reasonable discount rate...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some players are very patient '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There is an old rule that says that you should not quote what happens in other MUDs because people don't give a damn.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'MAybe it's not that old :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have another rule: most things xyliz says are just plain wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I am suddenly struck by how this theoretical aardcorruption is similar to how certain companies defer taxes/profits and push them around for years to avoid paying out...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Because players are now companies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Players are companies. Discuss.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies are people!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There is no aardcorruption tbh, Xyliz is just being itself again :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Aardwolfians United vs State of Godot'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, theoretical aardcorruption'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyone pushing the grey area enough to try an alt transfer will do something else which gets them nuked...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'If it's not in practice it's inherently pointless :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'It's pretty much common sense, really..'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I bet that's what the US founding fathers said when they drafted the constitution!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'I always wanted to transfer points from my old char to my new but its illegal'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'There isn't even an Aardwolfian Constitution :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'The policies can be changed without passing bills, what does this tell you :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aard is a dictatorship?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'authoritarian dictatorship'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I for one welcome out new Lasherian overlords.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'oh, new version of mushclient does not capture my own chat in the communication log'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Pretty much all MMOs are :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'our*'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'institutions! We need to have a constitutional monarchy! To arms!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi implodes!!!  Only a grease spot remains where he once stood.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much for the revolution'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Should probably appreciate our "rulers" because they're the only ones who want to put up with listening to all this discontent. (Much of which is stirred up from nothingness by Xyliz :P)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't know about 'want'...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is not discontent with multiplaying 
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i could i'd instantly fakechan xyliz and kojiro'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'K Xyliz, tell us what you're discontent with!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Prosecutor Godot turns debate channel off.
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's good to discuss legality sometimes, I think'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'before coming to Aardwolf, i played on a multiplaying mud (where bots were permitted).'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'make the lines sharper and all that. Interesting exercise.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good for you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Really depends on who is heralding the discussions'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Prosecutor Godot: 'Some are meaningful and some are whiningful.'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz does not object to bots either.  (there was Xyliz note on some forum outlining cautions to be taken if bots were ever to be "legal", to protect the mud from financial ruin)
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how thoughtful of you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there're bots, I'm all in favour of allowing them... on a separate mud'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like to imagine Lasher hovering over the enter key with 'nuke xyliz confirm' in his command prompt over that note...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'botmud!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, where's necroshine? or rather who is he now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Vakieh likes those muds where the owners regularly pwipe players voicing differing opinions'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, we just dislike you'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have issues with someone who routinely trolls newbies in a detrimental rather than humourous fashion'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'got to love xyliz giving advice on remorting, tiering and building ones char'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Xyliz convincing newbies not to buy auras at level 1 makes me rather annoyed'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are... different types of people in every community... part of a newbie's "job" is to figure out who's useful and who's crazy...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was a #1 mud on TMC a few years ago, until the owners and admin started pwiping the accounts of players voicing differing opinions -- that mud dropped to around #21 '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, if people were generally good at that, the US government wouldn't suck so much'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Benjanmin Franklyn, the satyr, said: "Your critics are your friends, they point out your mistakes."'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you learn from them'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd like to point out that ben had like 25 types of syphilis '
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not to mention goat hooves'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only if they actually point out your mistakes'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz takes Vakieh to task on: [10 Jan 08:55:55] (Debate) Vakieh: 'Xyliz convincing newbies not to buy auras at level 1 makes me rather annoyed' <-- where did Xyliz (of the "new players, qsit at level 1 until a full level 1 aard armor set is obtained" advice) state that lie inferred by Vakieh
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't log, but you have on more than one occasion told newbies to not worry about auras, as they were less than optimal purchases'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would prioritize breastplate over aura actually'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, that was somebody else'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You been sharing your char Xyliz?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, Xyliz never shares equipent or characters'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a qsitter -- you do not like qsitters: suck a lemon, (get some vitamin C and bioflavenoids in the process)  -- xchan
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'because of Crynn, Xyliz is a trains-sitter, or when no double, a channel-sitter'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You trying for Crynn? good luck with that...'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'avoiding quests because of Crynn'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or you could...you know...remort?'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Then you could qsit all OVER again'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz , upon remoret, be cp-leveling at low levels, then speedleveling to SH and remort
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz yet requires to complete several goals: Xylmos (or buy an inexpensive Xylmos portal),  Adaldar (maybe, to get that portal), Omentor (maybe, maybe not, to get that last room), Empyrean (to fully explore the area), Dunoir (to reach that last room)
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and may as take the SH opportunity to fully explore the Upper planes safely (as an SH)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meh - go explore 9hells - Only took me 1 death'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lots of things to do as a T0 SC SH'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Nine Hells is no danger, very safe there'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz stating "Nine Hells is no danger, very safe there" is not a suggestion to up the danger level there
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'explore inferno!'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"explore inferno!" as a suggestion to a T0 SC SH -- some of you guys are sick (unless that was a joke, you were joking, right)'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't see why not'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretty sure it's possible'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am hoping to do so in a mort, give or take a few levels and a thou or so pups'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz gets angry when the "Times Killed" counter is forced to increase by quests and campaigns to (expletive deleted) areas
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you many notice a change is the personality of Xyliz on those days'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'may'
T3/r5/2012-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'got to love another rescue of Iranians'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Jar Jar Binks is the best thing to ever happen to the Star Wars franchise.'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'qsitting .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a playdate'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'consider the meaning of semantics'
T3/r5/2012-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that shut the bots up'
T3/r5/2012-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/6979611/Human-civilisation-will-collapse-unless-greed-culture-is-stopped-report-warns.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'in other news, water remains wet'
T3/r5/2012-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'awesome, a commission on civil rights in Ohio voted to uphold racism.'
T3/r5/2012-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'kkk trying to justify themselves on NGC'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'hi everyone'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree.'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'iI agree lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i disagree with both sides'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bluebelll: 'hi everyone'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Debate -h goes back five days. Apparently we're all getting along!'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I disagree with the gentleman from across the aisle.'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which would be a more action packed european holiday - transnistria or dagestan?'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched documentaries from aljazeera and bbc on both, and i must say they have some deadly perks'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'trans sounds a lot newer and more unstable.  Where's it located?'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just east of moldova'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly on the documentary it's ran by an ex kgb agent and has the most wanted criminal in europe housed there, but the international community doesn't pay attention to it'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one thing that always makes me more skeptic about the past - how russia has caused probably every single war in the world since world war 2, but germany had them defeated until america came and saved them'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in north korea documentary you can go for a tour in the museum there where gifts from the russian government are on display, they practice alot of russian politics there apparently'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worshipping the stalin as god kind of thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before WW2, the Japanese beat the shit out of them as well before we interfered.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'is urinating on corpses okay?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask the corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i wld...but they're dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then they probably don't care'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no honor in it though'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, but then these days you can't buy a cup of coffee with honor.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'issue is...a few ignorant immature peeps destroyed the 'honor' of our military'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'assuming of course that they are an aberration...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...and gave the enemy fuel'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed...re guilt/autheticity '
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'butchered that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as opposed to a government that sells weapons to both sides'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'honor is how you act'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be naive that to think that things like this don't happen all the time and haven't happened often throughout history, but like sex-crazed senators, it only matters if you get caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not what the government does'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'things like this have happened'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'honor has killed millions of people. hasn't saved a single one'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...but that's the shame'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'a few peeps representing the whole'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming facts not in evidence.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'the video is fact'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that those on the video represent a minority.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'd hope they do'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'otherwise, we're no better than the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'keep in mind that these are the same armed forces that ran Iraqui jails.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there is no justification'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we may be no better than the enemy. but we certainly are no worse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was no justification when what they were doing to prisoners came to light, either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'or i thought we were'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'so....because they perform certain acts....that makes it ok for us?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if half of the stories coming out of Viet Nam are true, it was worse there.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'mai lai comes to mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'all they did was dishonor our servicemen and provide fuel for the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'among others'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is no honor in killing people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no debate about that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the enemy doesn't need any fuel :) They are being invaded. That's fuel enough.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'bs'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then you cannot dishonor those who are paid to kill for a living'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you don't think that foreign troops on your soil is enough fuel?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'just like you were enrage about them dragging corpses through the street, so are they enraged by this action'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you just provide them with fuel for the recruitment of others'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they probably do the same thing'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'doesn't mean we shld stoop to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you should read some history on acts commited during wartime'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that they should stoop to ours :>'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i have'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'doesn't matter'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's illegal right here in the USA to desecrate a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'frankly, desecration of corpses is a lot lower on the list of triggers for me than, let's say, rape.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the laws of the US do not apply to Afghanistan, yet. They have to conquer the land first :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'last person to conquer that place was the legendary Alexander'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bottom line, the act was deplorable, but not actually unusual. What was unusual is that they got caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's akin to police brutality, people act with shock when they witness it as if it didn't go on all the time.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed...i don't understand....if they're dead, they're dead'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you condone the actions that they perform...and yet this is ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people who are under constant mortal stress act differently than you or I would.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'soab'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'codemn'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no excuse you can present that's valid'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'facts of life are not excuses.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'facts?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '*sigh*'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that what happens is happens often enough is a fact. Again, you are only shocked because in your placid world things like that don't happen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'justify it any way you want, it's still wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're suppose to be an example to the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and hat would you have us do? cry for awhile?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hy should we be an example to the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why*'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not my call...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i didn't ask to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and we are not, by the way'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'if only i had that power'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'regardless, shall we stoop to their level?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'after iraq we are not much of an example to any country in the world'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'where's the honor?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there never was any honor'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'apparently not'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't get me wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's propaganda. Humans are humans no matter where they are born, and as humans, they will tend to do the same things. It is hardly believable that a nation at war over a questionable agenda would claim to operate on a higher plane.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i support my troops 100% regardless of my opinions of the conflict'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then you are a fool'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'these 4(5) do not represent the whole'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but yet...no one remembers the good'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's always the 'bad meal' we had there last'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the good in torturing at gitmo?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what honor is there in invading a country over a fantasy?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'That's not my call...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'talk about an excuse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm calling out the urinaters'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, now you back away from your responsibility, that's less than honorable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shall the whole military be judged on their actions?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are a military. that is what they do'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'regardless, they'll be punished'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's something that has nothing to do with the military, if they are judged over this incident, you can scratch it as a case of bigotry, which is what it would be :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'in a msg to both our servicemen and the rest of the world that such actions aren't to be tolerated, regardless of the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no we arent'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'waterboarding comes to mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'wldn't seem so recently'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people who join a group in order to kill can hardly be considered uber sensitive to certain criticism.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not worried about them'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they follow orders'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: ''cept pissing on people'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what do you think you do in a military? you kill everything you see'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a big difference to run to the trenches to defend your country and running to the trenches to amass dollars for the corporate sponsors.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if you are ordered to piss on people, guess what you get to do?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'killing everyone has nothing to do with urinating on corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's no common sense anymore'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I bet the corpses would have rather been urinated on while alive and then let go.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we've just inflamed the enemy and gave them more fuel for recruitment'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you would rather kill someone than pee on a corpse?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no common sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'never was any common sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if someone urinates on me they might as well kill me because one of use is going to end up dead :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no doubt anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'same'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'different when they're already dead though'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if I died first, I will hardly be in a position to care whether I get a state funeral or am pushed to the curb.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'different for people who believe there's something more after death'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am curious why you are bothered by peeing on a corpse more than innocent people dying'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'bottom line...we're suppose to be better than the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think about the people who were completely obliterated in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I mean, they were converted to molecules, as if they never had existed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'each side kills to defend a cause they believe in'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'justify it anyway you want...'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think i am missing something here'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's still wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's a tough one, Kirua. There are some believers, but I can't accept that in fabricated wars some of the cadre doesn't contemplate what is actually going on.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'so killing someone may be somewhat justified by the fact that you were just trying to protect something dear to you'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what is dear to the US in Afghanistan?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is the invader.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no honor if you urinate on a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'beats me'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'an oil pipeline is pretty dear'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'can't deny that'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'but honor is the keyword'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'does your cause support you doing that to an enemy's corpse?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shld we do the same as the enemy?  I thought we were a world leader.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'more like, world conqueror'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you have to understand is that as crass as the act was, it was meaningless.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it was not meaningless to the enemy'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again I say, ask the corpses.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'was it meaningless to us when our peeps were beheaded or dragged through the streets?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Are you really arguing that defaming corpses is a meaningless act?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'should be meaningless? maybe. But it was a fucking stupid thing to get caught doing as it'll incense people even more. And yes, you seem to be arguing that it shouldn't -- but it WILL.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they seem to be the least cared about objects of the whole thing. Everyone is concerned with how they feel about it, no one wonders how the corpses feel about it. After all they are the ones that got wet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'of all the atrocities committed during war, i say peeing on a corpse is not high on my list'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely not'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and war, no matter why it is fought, is an atrocity of the first order.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, it's not. And yet it was still a fucking stupid thing to do. '
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're better than them'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one disagrees with that :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'at least i thought so'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hy are we better?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really? How do you know that, Cidus?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Cidus: Really?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Who decreed that we are better?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'cause the rest of our forces don't urinate on corpses'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah. debate why we are better'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'dear god...it's a corpse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they just gun down unarmed civilians'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'piss on a corpse here in america'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is on its way to re-enter the eco-cycle'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're arguing in circles, cidus :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and torture'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'see how that works'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'again, and i expect...justify it any way you want....'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why are you surprised people pee on corpses?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm not surprised per se'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people pee on graves on the US all the time'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm surprised our service members stoop to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why are you surprised?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'have you been living under a rock?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'every few months some new story about an atrocity comitted by the armed forces comes out'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'shame...a few ignorant people committed this act...and yet the world will view it as the US military'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you seem real broken up over peeing on corpses. not to broken up over rape and torture'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'done...ignorance can't always be corrected'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'my mind is blown that anyone can still think the US has moral superiority'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'yep...esp after this latest incident'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but not after waterboarding?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'apparently we've stooped to their level'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Shrug. What about the torturing, and black bagging, and CIA assassinating?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'so we're just as good/bad as them?'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Testing mind control drugs on mental patients'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'etcetc'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You're worse, imo.'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'worse'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I really enjoyed, and it was super fast paced'
T3/r5/2012-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One of the most pressing concerns for the US navy is the threat posed by a "carrier killer" anti-ship missile with enhanced targeting capabilities facilitated from space. China very recently launched its own Beidou Positioning System, challenging the monopoly of the US Global Positioning System (GPS). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16588557 I wonder what's gonna come of this one'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're just all playing gladiators arena'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just crooked people playing with crooked people with normal people's lives like usual, it'll probably never change :-o'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stands to reason China would want their own GPS '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, america has one why couldn't they?  i'm not saying they shouldn't'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what always bothers me about governments though, is they get people they oppress into trouble with others'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're from there, you're them, i don't like governments for that reason'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is how they got to be where they are , '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what i think is interesting is how china wanted it's people it be smarter and do more for themself, and then other countries let china do things for them and lost those abilities'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for the most part, things used to be done alot more independently from corporations and stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo is part of the disconnect between business and government '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see corporations as trying to be governments'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the power of the $ continually erodes gov power '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that makes me sick what people give up for money, which is a figment of their imagination basically'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposed to be figment of their governments imagination'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is one form of power , $'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really a figment of imagination, more that it's worth what people believe it's worth and as long as it continues to be accepted for purchase it's still worth something'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and money might not be everything, but below a certain threshold the lack thereof can be bad'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as long as the status quo is kept and our economy remains stable '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '$ ain't everythin ,not having it is '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder what China? will ask in return for bailing out other economies ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they already effect Aust gov policy without bailouts .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aust govt = fail.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The local Lemontree agrees!
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Lol in what way Sneak ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the difference between being a millionaire and a multimillionaire is nowhere near as high towards quality of life as the difference between an income of 10k and an income of 20k. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the welfare system is completely out-dated'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'also, they need to do something about them boats'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's millions of things that could be fixed better than they are that have to do with social circumstances'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's the main thing that stops people from having to come to those solutions themselves'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'money, and greed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there was a useful system in Bangledesh? microecenomics '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see greedy people that happen to use people's ignorance against them from a young age like people picking on retards after beating them over the head to make sure they're stupid, they invest in education being unaffordable and inefficient among other things'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'picking on retards is untastely once you reach a certain pubescent age usually'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'weavers were lent 20c to buy bulk raw materials , cutting out the middleman'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you mean microfinance rather than microeconomics.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the other kids treat you like a leper, but they gravitate towards the greedy man'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes thats it Majic , we did a project in Yr 11 on it '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'small risk, great rate of return on a triple bottom line and very low default rates '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. I'm a huge fan of microfinance.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Applicable to the first world ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, yes it should be. There are a lot of very small businesses who have a hellacious time getting funds for improvements and government approvals necessary because they just aren't on a large enough scale even when they produce stuff that's a higher quality.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the government was the company of the land it wouldn't be catering to other companies that challenge it's authority'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb manufacturing - hardto mocrofinance that because of the comparative advantage of lower wage countries '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'small businesses don't challenge it's authority if they compose the government company'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'democracy's missing in most places in places where they think democracy exists'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm thinking more of agriculture because that's the area I've got the most experience in.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatalism is a democracy - it costs a dollar a vote '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'joel salatin's "everything I want to do is illegal" was an interesting read. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually hobby farming in urban areas would be a great use of microfinance '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'absolutely. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'added benefit of producing healthy food '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but in many places, even quiet and well-behaved hens are illegal.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is really dumb. I'd much rather live next to someone's HENS than someone's barking puppy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention use up a lot of that abandoned building real estate....turn em into micro farms growing local crops.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'plus the blog I was reading last year where they got in trouble with their town because they grew vegetables in the front garden'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's only for flowers and grass, you see. '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you could replace the chook poo nitrodgen for fish poo in some places - fish farming along with landfarming '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and my town bans line-drying of clothes too while whittering constantly about saving the planet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that is fascism to me, more concerned with looks than realities'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah in general are we too invested in our land prices to start to change ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'either extreme doesn't work very well, but one results in survival while the other results in death'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering that 33% of detroit is abandoned now....it makes sense to turn that unused land into city ag locations to let residents grow crops for a small seasonal fee.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hell yes it does.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Plus it encourages local production of food which reduces fossil fuel usage in transportation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did 33% of destroit go?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given primary production is a low skill job too (in the most part) it may solve some uneployment probs too ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyplace with jobs.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well nods tzad plus if a family is single-income '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it might even reduce the concrete jungle affect in old cities that have a lot of unused land and commercial real estate....lower the overall temp in the cities.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of them can use spare time to contribute to the family etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and increase air quality ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that also'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and i specifically say one of them because it doesn't matter which one is unemployed :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't see too many loosers in the mix atm ? devils advocate time ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who would oppose this ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'land owners ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'losers :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the land owners wouldnt have to pay property taxes on the land if it was converted to city ag.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people oppose it because they don't wanna grow vegetables/line-dry/etc themselves and feel guilty if their neighbours do'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or they feel that 'poor people do that' '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or greenies ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the abandoned land in detroit and other cities is not producing prop taxes anyways, so might as well make it useful.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could tear down 2 million homes in cities country wide, and open up that land to small parks, and city ag....prop values would increase, and the supply of homes would be reduced a bit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would reduced supply increase prices ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that much'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are probably 20 million empty homes right now, country wide.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just googled hobbyfarms detroit , some ppl already doing this '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you take the ppl that are in the economy out of it to farm , what further impact on gov jobs, health services that depend on tax to fund it ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm thinking more of enabling productivity and a better standard of living for people who are already out of it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but quite honestly I think that we already produce and consume too many things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I had someone the other month telling me about how she is having trouble paying her bills etc, then when I pulled out my phone to make a call she said 'haha your phone is so old, how can you stand to have such an old phone, i couldn't show myself in public with a phone like that, etc etc''
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whenever people are allowed to grow some of their own food, health gets better, and new markets open up to sell excess produce which stimulates the economy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'leap forward 20 years .. USA is an agrarian paradise but also in world term not backed it's military position and can no longer defend itself ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I'm thinking 'well maybe if you weren't buying new top of the market phones every year you'd be able to pay your rent'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, 100 years ago the US was an agrarian country, now about 2% of that is left.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both good points - how can consuming less become "sexy" though?'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'damn if I know.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'selling buying less ... '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we produce 1000% more food with 2% of the people who used to farm 100 years ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's my goal, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we produce more calories, dunno about more food :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a calorie is still a calorie, the problem is vitamins and minerals.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personally I'm going to make a stack of $ while I'm young and hope to hell I don't need expensive healthcare when I'm older'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'being slightly sarcastic but I consider low-quality food to be a real issue.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the soil is not as vitamin and mineral rich as it used to be because of over farming the land we still use.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'artifical fertilizers suck.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also because of poor usage and management'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah even the differance between fresh unprocessed and not fresh unprocessed is huge '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I buy most of my produce from local farmers markets and community supported ag groups'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need to expand the CSA idea.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australias farmers are being squeezed by 2 supermarket chains , there aint much hope for them '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they allow it to happen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is one of the reasons to support microfinance and micromarketing, to get back to the origin of the conversation :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice circle Majic :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well you're riding one of my pet hobbyhorses right now :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you get me started on microagriculture, I can go all day :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know someone where I used to live was into hydro pretty big , you could almost computer control it with a few robot arms and someone to log in n check '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"Farmville" is pretty big? why not use that social capital to do something like that ? have a real carrot as the outcome '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I buy a house I'll make sure it's half burnt down so I can do what I like with it and it'll be an improvement :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just need a huge stash of $ to go with it incase I get cancer or something expensive and then yeah , I could live an agrarian life '
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you wish'
T3/r5/2012-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'now that Keystone is dead, what are the chances that the Save Online Porn Act/Protect Internet Porn Act are going to pass?'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Amazing response time. Elect anons for congress!'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'in response to -h that sort of retardation doesn't sound very fascist...in fact that sounds far more liberal moronity coupled with standard suburban lunacy'
T3/r5/2012-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'we actually encourage vast swaths of self-sufficiency'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '"Congressional leaders announced [yesterday] that they were putting the extremely controversial antipiracy bills PIPA and SOPA on hold for the immediate future -- possibly because Congress actually does listen to the public once a decade, possibly because Congress only just now learned that youre not supposed to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but most likely because Congress kept on trying to go on Wikipedia a couple days ago and got really annoyed by the black screen." -EW.com'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or perhaps they feared the threats of primarying them out of office were real.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People should primary them out of office anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They were stupid and greedy enough to support it at first.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Agreeeed'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then the public got to read the bills and found out about the zero-proof standard for shutting down websites.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's pretty amazing, the politcal power of Google and Wiki, when you think about it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Remember, as usual, it was the Republicans leading the charge. It's the party of greed and stupidity. As for the Democrats, they have bad eggs. Punish the bad eggs and the Republican party.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'political*'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's almost as if they said "jump" and we all "jumped".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you DO realize nobody is throwing fits about the dumbass democrats backing the bill, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'haha yes you are right'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Handlands: That's because they did not support the bill as a party.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It also shows that the Democratic Party is way more healthy than the Republican party. Whenever the Republicans introduce a bill. Pretty much 99% of the time, the entire party or almost all of them support it and will vote for it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whenever the Republican party wants to kill a Democrat bill, they all vote against it. Meanwhile, the Democratic party actually allows its elected officials to vote according to their conscience and what they think their constituency wants.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, if you wish to believe that, go ahead.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, as I said, punish the idiotic Democrats who supported PIPA and SOPA. But remember, yet again, it was a Republican-introduced initiative and overwhelmingly republican-backed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but Pelosi made that a pretty obvious mockery'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare was not, though. ;P'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the bailouts were also not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're not being coherent.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if you think Obamacare is bad, then there's no help for you.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if you think Obamacare is bad, then there's no help for you.sca'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obamacare is bad, since it doesn't solve any fundamental problems and increases costs significantly (also more profits for insurance companies etc).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Tinada greets Summoner Yuna warmly.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Judging by your comments insofar, you're most probably a Republican (or a Libertarian) who will thinks "Socialized medicine" is evil.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obamacare is only bad because the Republicans KILLED all of the good parts.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What could be salvaged DOES introduce several good elements, but it could've been so much better had it been allowed to exist as originally envisioned.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or because it was attempts to partially patch a badly flawed system, and that sort of project is pretty much doomed to fail'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, I'm finding the Republican primary fascinating.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama can get bonus points for wanting universal health care, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'It's constitutionally bad.  '
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'but it serves a legitimate purpose'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because overhauling it and reworking it from scratch would take years. original!Obamacare would've acted as an interim transitionary bill to patch the holes while the system is reworked.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not convinced about that, but then, like Obama, I didn't read the law :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Republicans of Aardwolf, which Republican candidate do you support?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm still shocked Michelle Bachmann isn't receiving 0% of the votes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Romney sounds way too much like a democrat, and democrats aren't at all looking good right now even if they were the better choice last cycle (given Obamamania, still not sure they were).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not a Republican, but if I had to support one of their candidates, it would be Paul'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'Ron Paul has my vote'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'RP 2012! :-P'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Paul's not electible.  He's downright crazy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Santorum, the "Family Values" candidate.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demonic Horadrim: 'yea auditing the fed to see if our currency is worthless is just insane'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, he's got the trannie association thanks to RuPaul.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least he's actually living as he preaches.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'll give him that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'afaik, unless you are a total media slave, you are under no obligation to vote for "electable" candidates'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is going to let trannies and weirdo-types get anywhere close to public office, no matter how good their ideas are.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Electibility is all about wanting to see your party in office.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They want a Republican in office, so they don't necessarily vote for the Republican they like the most, just the Republican they think has the greatest chance of beating Obama.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... no Gingrinch or Bachmann supporters?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Mr. Paul's policies are also rather less crazy than those of the past half a dozen administrations.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'if that is all it is about, then paul is as electable as romeny, according to polls they are both tied in the standing against obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently I haven't been following the news coverage closely enough. Michelle Twatmann has dropped out.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'that happened like a month ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Parallel: Er... do the polls claim them to be tied against Obama among ALL voters?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember, the republicans are still likely to have some congressional momentum from mid-term.  Getting a republican into office at a time when there's likely to be a definite republican majority is a good thing insofar as it remains uncertain enough for the branches to work together instead of crony up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would help solve problems with third party candidates not having "electability"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I missed it and just assumed she'd been low-key since then.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'no, they are both tied a few points behind obama, nationally'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'polls the last couple of months typically have Obama a couple of percent ahead of named republicans, and a couple of percent behind a generic un-named republican.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I mean that they're are tied against EACH OTHER when going up against Obama among ALL voters.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not simply if the Republicans have to choose between the two.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Gingrich is still too much of an insider, and he didn't have the best of records while there anyways.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my comment was for obama vs someone'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'yes yuna, all voters'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gingrinch is a twat and anyone who supports him is a twat as well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I'll find a link in a sec'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they reformed the system to instant runoff, we wouldn't have to worry about splitting the vote or electability of candidates...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's an instant runoff? All candidates vs. all candidates from the word "Go"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'From which the Top X candidates get to face off in a final showdown?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Newt would be a great fit for some powerful watchdog force that could remain out of the in-office taint while still forcing those warming the seats to listen up and do the right things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/cnn-poll-ron-paul-tied-with-president-obama/'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you mark your preferences - if your top candidate is eliminated, your vote then goes to number 2, and so on'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that way the vote can't be split, and there's no need to worry about electability, because your voe won't split'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm gonna do like I did last time and vote with my 8-ball.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gingrinch is still a twat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can even eliminate primaries that way. Save money.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Parallel is agreeing with that Summoner Yuna person again...
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't seem to find anything on Ron Paul's Wikipedia page about abolishing the Department of Education or whatever it's called. Was that his son?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yes, it was Rand. Giant nutbag.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, I can actually live with Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For once, Republican forerunners that don't make my blood boil.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that Massachusetts has the #1 highest health premiums of all US states and territories, right?  And that with Obamacare being based on Romneycare, what we're looking at as it gets implemented is a health-care cost increase?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't pinpoint a single point of contention to each candidate and use it to classify them as unelectable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And at least he isn't a twat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't you wish people could mobilise for political reform as strongly as they did for sopa/pipa?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying they don't all the time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's just that most of the time, the idiots still win.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do.  What did you think the Tea Partiers were doing all this time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kotty Piip Dashiell is agreeing with that Summoner Yuna person again...
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'just look at 2008. :D'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh please. The Tea Party are the biggest collection of Political Idiots I've ever seen.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy could've even gotten going for real, if the hippy mentality wasn't so retarted to begin with.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They mobilized, yes. They were loud, yes. But their platform and ideas were idiotic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You need to actually have something important to say in order to bring about change.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't see people protesting as cohesively the whole citizens united thing... and electoral reform isn't even on the table.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why I wholeheartedly supported Michelle Bachmann. Had she won the Republican nomination, there wasn't a snowball's chance in Hell she'd win against Obama.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the significant movements seem to be more about social/economic reform rather than reform of the political system itself...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, but you see, Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission doesn't directly affect the American sheeple, which is why they don't care.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad the issues that directly affect the people are unlikely to get resolved until there's political reform'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, notice how the decision was entirely according to party lines (unless I'm misremebering) with the Republican-backed justices supporting it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what was CU v. FEC?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'held that corporations are protected by the first amendment's freedom of speech'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Corporations can spend unlimited amounts of money on political campaigns.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Perfect example: Google and Wiki's voice on SOPA'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single Republican-backed Supreme Court Justice voted for, every Democratic-backed Supreme Court Justice against.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'corporations should be able to vote.  Anyone who can be sued should have a voice.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's pretty crazy to let entities that can't vote donate money at all.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No... Dresory... CU vs. FEC had NOTHING to do with that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Explain?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Haslanda, that's not what it's about either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's about being able to give money to candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Short version: Before CU v. FEC, corporations could not spend unlimited amounts of money on political campaigning such as donations to candidates and ads.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'CU v. FEC ruled that they CAN.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which, effectively, removes the cap on private donations to candidates as well as long as one can slush funds through one's corporation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the decision was that congress had no power to restrict the right of corporations to spend money on election advertising'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I recall, wasn't there some issue outside of just corporations?  With the overall basis of the ruling being basically "if you can do it, they should be able to as well"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. "Political purposes".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Citizens United wanted to DO was spend a shitload of money on a campaign ad. This, however, was in violation of a previous ruling. By dissolving this prior ruling, there is no longer any cap on how much money corporations can spend for "political purposes", which includes, among other things, donations to candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is INSANE.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yuna do you disagree with me that it was about freedom of speech or do you disagree with me about Google and Wiki's act the other day being a result of CU'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I disagree with the claim that Google's and Wikipedia's actions had anything to do with the case or that the case had anything to do with their actions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Their action of defiance was in no way limited prior to the ruling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I doubt all they did was protest.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'acts outside of election campaigning weren't under consideration there...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Even though they clearly spent money on a "political purpose"?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they no doubt poured money in or made it known such expections would be drying up as a result of passage.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what was under consideration was a law restricting election campaigning...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hilariously, Chris Dodd, formerly a Republican politician, now a lobbyist for the entertainment industry (he went straight from office to that position, BTW) responded to Wikipedia's and Google's protest with "It's an abuse of power!".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't ever successfully kill a bill without major lobbying support.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577172982126389026.html?mod=googlenews_wsj'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying it cost Google and Wikipedia a lot of money to do what they did?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Chris Dodd is a Democrat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who exactly do you claim they paid?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Wiki shut down '
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, when you try to kill bill, the bride comes after you'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and who did they pay for that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'you don't think that cost them money?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm saying they likely did more than what you saw on Wednesday.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's an ABSENSE OF INCOME. It's not the same thing a as COST.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, CU v. FEC was all about campaigning.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I guess we can argue about the meaning of cost'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be a good idea to look up the case first, you know...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Dresory. No we CANNOT.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '=D fine then haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, how many ads do you see on wiki?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'zero'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So what did they lose money on?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I'll amend myself: Expenses, not costs.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess they lost money on the bajillion people who couldn't look up the information to donate. Costs!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Your right, they did not lose money via ads - in fact, that completely kills my argument as to Wiki.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the very least, they were threatening to withhold or even stop their campaign donations (in light of CU v FEC, of course, that could've theoretically been a very massive amount).  My bet is that Google, et al weren't content to stop at threats on future funding and paid lobbyists and paid for political ads against the bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Google did NOT shut down. They did NOT lose any money due to ads or whatever. All they did was amend their homepage.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So what exactly did THEY lose money on, besides possibly advertisers pulling out?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which they do at every occasion'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lobbying was, regrettably, already legal prior to the ruling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, that has nothing to do with CU or FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Threatening to withhold donations is threatening to do the very anti-thesis to CU vs. FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And it seems CU was primarily about whether corporations are "people" thereby protected by the first amendment's freedom of speech. Spending money on a political purpose is a form of speech.  Shutting down your website and directing people to sign a petition against a bill is also a form of political speech.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's what the lobbyist argued.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, corporations are not people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They consist OF people. But they are not people themselves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT UC v. FEC WAS ABOUT.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the LAST TIME, it was NOT about EVERY SINGLE THING corporations are and aren't allowed to do when it comes to politics!"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It was SPECIFICALLY about financial CONTRIBUTIONS and ad campaigns.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What Google and Wikipedia did is in NO WAY connected to UC v. FEC! It was legal before the ruling and it remains legal today (obviously).'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The argument was that corporations are people (bullSHIT!) and thus they should be allowed to spend unlimited amounts on money on this and that. END OF STORY.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are unions corporations?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'UC v. FEC included unions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yuna didnt the argument that corporations "are people" win the day?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Which is why I HATE UC v. FEC.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Yes that is clear haha'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then your point is?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'No point in that Yuna, just messing around with you.  I like friendly debates =D'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'p.s. I agree with you that the decision was BS'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we need a SOPA-like bill for illegal immigration.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I just think that if the decision went the other way, and the court said that corporations do not have the rights of "people", then google and wiki would not be able to do what they did.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Agent Phillip enthusiastically high-fives Hanslanda!
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, because it was already legal'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I understand what your saying, however, then the case was not directly about what corporations can and can't do politically.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Dresosy. No, that would not have happened.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the bill was JUST about those two things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The pro-side just made up a BULLSHIT excuse.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't seem to understand how laws or Supreme Court decisions are made.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the case was about whether congress had a right to limit their political spending in that way'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And what makes you think that Yuna?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Gays cannot marry on the Federal Level because it is not considered a universal human right. This does NOT mean that gays are not considered humans who have basic human rights.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So just because gays cannot marry, you cannot just go out and kill them for sport.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The same logic applies here. Saying "Corporations cannot spend unlimited funds politically because they are not 'people'" does not automatically mean that corporations are not entitled to ANY rights afforded to "people".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in fact, this is even more obvious than in the gay-marriage-analogy-thing)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You are not people" =/= "You are not allowed to do anything people are allowed to do"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was more about letting nonprofits get a leg up on evil corporations.  The expected decision was that nonprofits could spend more, on account that their funding was less certain and therefore more valuable (ergo, anything they spent it on would be more trustworthy and honest).  They just got thrown a curveball that kept the status quo'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I am saying the constitution protects U.S. citizens.  If corporations are not "citizens" then they are not afforded the constitutional rights of citizens'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'NO BE QUIET. GO AWAY!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For the love of penises, you just WON'T get it!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I blame you, you're the explainer here.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I dislike that corporations are afforded Bill of Rights protections'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I'm to blame for his lack of common sense and logic?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'IMHO they shouldn't be protected by shit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Oh so now the rights afforded by the constitution is about common sense?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you not understanding what the fuck I'm trying to tell you is you lacking common sense.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Easy Yuna, seriously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'CU vs FEC = stupid = bad. Got it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'No need for that'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"You are not 'people'" =/= "You are not afforded ANY rights of 'people'"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you NOT understand that?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or do you simply not know what "=/=" means?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'IT looks like a squinting pokemon, to be honest...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'does not equal?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm asking Dresory.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'equal slash equal does not equal not equals.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Please phrase it how I said.  I said if you are not a citizen, the rights afforded to citizens, by the consitution are not applicable to you. Go ahead yell again that I am not getting it'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'CU vs FEC help defeat SOAP/PIPA    *ducks*'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's one way to draw the proper mathematical symbol for not equals, hans'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'or you could use != ...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'programmers often use ! for not'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The CU v. FEC did not rule on whether or not corporations are considered "citizens".'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your argument is invalid.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but non-programmers aren't often familiar with that convention'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Me, I just think that =/= is two rings and a wand.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people in grade school often see an equals sign with a slash through it when they start logic'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas hacks the net.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how's an equal a ring?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nethackery'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they teach logic in grade school now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Sotura, in complete agreement.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, different frame of mind'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'All in a row, ready to be zapped with polymorph...'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas smiles happily.
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'could be a mimic!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or three!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ought to have a nethack room/area on aard'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'if there isn't already'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'runto area, and your screen text is replaced by ASCII symbols?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's called tech.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas goes, "Heh."
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all new areas are to be original'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize what we DO here, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, room/area.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you've got a chess board'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our very existence, at its most basic and raw form, is a direct tribute to nethack.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'That was an old area, all new areas need to be original, yes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence my use of the term "new areas"'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i know, i know, just wishful thinking'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'maybe we could con the nethack crowd into putting a port to aard next to the vibrating square'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if you need something more obvious, check out the Dungeon of Mystery next year.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but a nethack tournament on aard would be pretty cool'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'better than mafia'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'debate ah, like that, not an area, but whatever mafia is'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mafia's more like a play-by-channel text game'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'are there no multiplayer implementations of nethack?  seems like a nobrainer'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the frontrunner got turned into a newt!'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'better a newt than a ginGRINCH'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'newt gingrich wins in south carolina primary'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'SC has a sense of humor :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'retarded'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'it's a state full of retards'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe not. Maybe they were telling the reps that they didn't really like any of the candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so they picked the worse one.''
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'who does? but surely anyone can find a better example of a human than gingrich'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's a perfect message. "This is what we think of you" :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'South Carolina's Republicans rated the ability to beat Obama as a candidate's most important quality, an exit poll on CNN showed. Forty-five percent of voters said that was the main attribute they sought in a nominee. Of that group, 51 percent voted for Gingrich compared to 37 percent for Romney.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I farted'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so romney loosing support from those that don't trust the LDS?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, his support has been pretty constant'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'LSD?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he's only the frontrunner as long as the anti-romney vote is split'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the newt is gaining ground ? perhaps seen more as a washington insider than Mitt ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'no but seriously...i farted'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'later day saints not d lysergic acid dythilamide .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '....but seriously....'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it remains to be seen if he's jst the anti romney of the moment'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only does them damage to have this draw out so long , imo Newt has been gaining traction attacking Obama as well as attacking Mitt etc .'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah he has a habit of foot shooting '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder if any of them stand any chance of beating obama though'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The guy who says he will outlaw corporate donations to political concerns should win every damn vote in that country...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love Newts line on a second "more radical" term from Obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except no one in it will suggest anything remotely close'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Right sonshi.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah they have even relaxed donation legislation with the special group ? special pax? groups ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'superpacs?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...Super PAC is the death of US democracy'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats the one '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I MUD first and listen to the news second :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was already bleeding to death before...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And it isn't so much relaxed as completely removed via a proxy'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Super PAX... I like the sound of that.  Cape-wearing gaming-convention man!'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and Yank politics is so damn entertaining '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wanna donate a billion in exchange for a new law? Make a PAC, done deal'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Obama- someones employee of the month .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That latest quote from, who is it, Chris Dodds I think? Head of the MPAA threatening to withdraw funding because he didn't get the laws he paid for'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Someone needs to shoot that guy, fast.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Careful, they actually do that here.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think it would benefit your country if your politicians weren't so corrupt'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo that will never happen , they are too damn careful and the few plots they uncovered that we heard about were idiot white supremacists'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what the american founding fathers didn't anticipate was the day when the conflict between "freedom of speech" and political freedom would come into such great conflict...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among other things'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the political system , along with the banking system need to be taken back to 0 and started again '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The hard-on the US seems to have for some dead guys who wrote some anti-Brit stuff is as mind-bogglingly strange as the pervasiveness of religion in your government'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No matter how intelligent they were, they could NOT have anticipated how completely the world has changed'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And presuming to do things the same way they did, or even close, is ludicrous'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Imo religion and politics were at thier hight under Bush and have since waned ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the ideals they wrote aren't problematic imo'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is their application '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also that whole right to bear arms thing... in an age without nukes, jets, or even tanks...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Waned? HA! - have you seen the "I am not afraid to call myself a Christian" video? Like a whack job on film, and someone like him could rule the whole US'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'made great sense then...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, they did anticipate that the world would change, which is why they had provisions for the constitution to be changed, like any reasonable people would allow for...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both the first and second amendments were meant to deal with overbearing governments, not your neighbors. They were supposed to ensure that those in power would not try to subjugate the people. They were not intended for what they are used for now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The 'higher appeal' they wrote of was written in a world of racism, slavery, religous persecution and landed gentry - it was not anywhere near as 'lofty' as the US primary school indoctrination seems to make it out to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I actually agree with the population having a right to be able to be effective partisans on their own back , not sure on the ramifications of that though '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Don't worry vakieh, politicians are actually to brainwashed to actually believe anything, including God. Mostly all religion does is give one party a huge mindless voting block.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The population shouldn't NEED to fight the government - they ARE the government - any time it is needed is when those before them failed'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the founding fathers only concern was to protect the landowners, which were the only ones who had rights.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike back then, small arms are so cheap these days that people in countries plunged into chaos can easily obtain small arms, whether they were banned or not when the country was stable...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia has wide areas of land that are undefendable and a probable invasion sourcwe from the north , would help to have the population shooting back with more than bolt action rifles n shotgus , just wouldn't trust 2 in 10 with the responsability to bear anything like military arms '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inhospitable deserts aren't the best places to put a forward base for an invasion though...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but there are ppl that live here and are used to it , would certainly slow down any invasion force , provided conventional war that is '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to slow down ships and jets. Much better to just build more anti-ship capability'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subs are very good for preventing a sea invasion'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until they get taken out, anyway'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep , LOL Australia is really good at building submarines :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have enough subs, and they can't approach except under heavy escort'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seriously - ever want a laugh - look up Collins Class sub program Austraila '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as they don't get sunk...'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of Austs biggest military failures '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just needs to be a sub fleet in being'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't think we have crew for more than one of them and there are only 8-12 in the class .'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'crew's not quite the greatest problem when it comes to subs..'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plenty of australians around'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'getting em to work in subs , where you'd have to thing with limited space the positions are specialised is a diff matter '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no burger flippers in subs ? hell we struggle trying to get real burger flippers '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, just a question of salaries'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the prob with having a liad back clture is noone wants to work in it '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an soz for the typing , one of those stupid bananna keyboards atm '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'banana keyboards?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bananna shaped '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ergonomic'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've seen plenty of hardworking aussies! Just not in australia.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'erganomic my a$$ gimme RSI and a flat standard size keyboard anyday '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(was a joke)'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeh there are alot of hard working ppl here just .. ah complex issue - 4-7% unemplayment depending on where you go and yet businesses are screaming out for workers , skills shortage here and a mining boom and a slack welfare system .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So how the heck does the U.S. have jurisdiction over him?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aveba: 'over who?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, brown seaweed can make up to 5 times the biofuel output as corn, but only 3 percent of the world's coastline can produce enough seaweed to replace 60 billion gallons of gas.'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Along with the black plague they say they have stored in a safe place incase 'it ever happens again' instead of storing the formula for the antibody, Bioterror fears halt research on mutant bird flu http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 , this is after soldiers arriving home from iraq in a washington hospital had a strange flu that was that h1n1, and it escaped into the public'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think, is the real problems being dealt with or who their problems are?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that on abcnews about the h1n1 flu coming from iraq soldiers in american hospital, though they didn't say it was h1n1 it was adjacent to that phase'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe these bbc researchers invented that one too?  and this is just a if you don't follow orders that could happen kind of article?'
T3/r5/2012-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dutch architects building 9/11 towers in south korean art modernization comes to mind among other supporting factors'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Should the debate channel be used to discuss politics?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate "American Pickers"'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good for nothing, slimy, thieves'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a reality show.  What did you expect?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wish someone would shoot these motherfuckers.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'or you could just change the channel'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'watch jersey shore, it'll calm you down'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Only if some bitch gets punched in the face.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'if you want that watch womens boxing'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'or watch nothing, all television is a grand scam'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'yea most of those shows lowball people cause they need the money '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ergh, yeah, I can't watch this.  These assholes are robbing this poor woman blind.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'she had a choice'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'True, but they deliberately lie and mislead their victims into selling.  They aren't forthright or honest at all.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'keep your crap or be on tv'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'enough people are stupid enough to choose the latter'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'fortunately President Santorum will save us all from cruft'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I find Santorum to be a horrifying human being.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What about Gingrinch?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'Ging the Grinch is only slightly worse than the Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'i cannot believe that santorum started the CUM donation drive. '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'at that point we're broking platitudes, so what's the diff?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Birds of a feather, I say, only Santorum isn't also a huge hypocrite.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i'm very keen on Santorum'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Santorum started the CUM donation drive? After what his name has been made synonymous to? It has to be deliberate. Or one of his interns is gay and sabotaging him.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'I think we should all take a moment to reflect on the true intention of SOPA: removing Santorum from the google database...'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'freedom to Santorum is the prescience to choose Santorum's religion, or to rot'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'i thought it was a joke until I went to www.ricksantorum.com'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the only Santorum i can acknowledge is the photo where he admitted defeat'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the wife all "whatever," the daughter all "i has a sad," the son all "i saw balls," and the little lady wearing a dress which matched her doll'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, when did Santorum admit defeat and on what?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'years ago'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2012/01/08santorum.jpg'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I dislike his forced birthing stance plus TRIPLING the breeder tax benefit per child.  GREAT way to bring down the national deficit, that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'he lost his damn seat'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder why.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'and he generated in the process the most glorious photograph in the history of murican history'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love it how wingnuts like Santorum like to argue that gay marriage has never been part of any society up 'til now. Just shows how little they know about society.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i printed that photograph and pasted it all over my walls'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lolololol, in September of last year, Rick Santorum tried to get Google to make the anal sex-connotated definition of "Santorum" from appearing so liberally when one Googles his name. I wonder what his position on SOPA is... (I'm too lazy to look it up)'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'sometimes not knowing is half the battle'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ahahahahaha... his Wikipedia has taught me so much. Santorum doesn't believe in the "right to privacy" (trollololol) and he stated in 2003 that he wants laws against polygamy (and adultery and sodomy). News flash, Santorum: There already are laws against it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so he believes in the wrong to privacy?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are federal laws against buttsex?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the simplest way to express santorum's policy is that he looks upon sharia with deep envy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think he meant gays by sodomy and the other naughty stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was talking about polygamy. There are no laws against the stuff within paranthesis. Although the official platform of the Texas Republican Party IS to outlaw sodomy again.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm pretty sure that's not true.  Source?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's sodomy anyway? i never got that'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i think they ought to outlaw masturbation while hanging yourself... it's just too dangerous!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sodomy is buttsex'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beakerboy: 'are you sure about the no laws against sodomy?  i thought there were still laws on the books in some states about that'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meanwhile they don't address the drug cartels that are marauding about the countryside.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are state and local laws against sodomy, but they are generally of the strange, unenforced kind.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'some states still have the law against sodomy. few enforce it since you need a search warrant to prove it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is sodomy defined anywhere in the law?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'technically, there are still laws on the books that prevent 3 single women from being roommates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or you can call any kinky shit sodomy and be done with it?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'let's not allow penile tattoos!  They're too freaky!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fundie seem to use it to refer to anything other than the missionary position.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sodomy is ANY sex besides vaginal sex.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'some states define sodomy as simply as penile-anal contact.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so any non-procreational sex then?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'and as yuna states, there are also those strange states that state anything outside of missionary procreation to be sodomy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'god bless america'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Speaking of contraceptives, Rick Santorum is against the sale of contraceptives to married couples. WTF.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'there's also states that have laws against eating donuts while walking backwards.  doesn't mean it's right.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Nonexist.
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I found this a week or so ago, and was greatly amused:'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-361'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Like I said Yuna - MANDATORY parenthood OR ELSE'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't understand why the us is called the land of the free'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Blowjobs are a felony in Virginia.  Not kidding.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no jackboots storming in during the night.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'santorum would criminalize consensual sexual relations between a married couple if they did not screw for the sake of procreation'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'There shouldn't be any strip clubs inside hotdog stands, there, it had to be said'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. VIRGINia :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'eating donuts while walking backwards... while typing it in was ridicilous enough,,'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank god I got sterilized already... before that whackjob outlaws it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'i live in virginia, so i'm not laughing'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'has anyone been actually prosecuted with that charge?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I doubt it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'doesn't matter, starling. if anyone touches your sun-don't-shine for any reason other than procreation, it's either rape or sodomy'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, who the fuck would outlaw blowjobs?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'as for blowjobs, probably not'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'someone who's not getting them, Dagnir.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure it was tried, with said charge thrown out of court amid uproarious laughter and uncomfortable titters and perhaps admonishments to overzealous prosecutors.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'but there have in fact been people in virginia prosecuted for cheating on a spouse'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but someone had to vote on it. still doesn't make sense'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, I realize he is probably miserable with that cow of a wife and the bratty kids, but why does he want to visit that pain on everyone else by outlawing contraception and whatnot?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'even when neither spouse opts to file charges'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is it really that hard to just leave that sow?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'in virginia you have to be separated one year minimum to divorce'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that if your dog gets summoned for jury duty, it's a crime if you do not show up?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'if either party claims the other visited, the countdown resets to zero'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, i'm going to bed. too much stupid on this channel'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'fucking fact: virginia is a shithole'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'nobody wants to live in virginia'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about utah? i've heard having fun is a felony there'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'utah is a special case'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i live in utah'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'an old friend of mine lives in utah. she's not a mormon.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i had a lot of fun in utah'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'same as any other state'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, a Baptist church once banned interracial couples (and by "once" I mean "last year"). When the heads of their cult threw the ban out because it was illegal, a pastor at the church who has since stepped down (I wonder why) claimed he wasn't a racist. '
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'she claims it's a heck of a place'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but perhaps they just didn't catch me'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaah, Utah, the place where the Mormon Church actually owns a piece of a plaza in public space (there are absolutely no signs to indicate where the space stops being actually public) in SAlt Lake City (I think) and where they have to right to stop anyone they don't like from walking on said plaza and have them arrested.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'my friend said she was endlessly harassed through public schools'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'not just by kids, but by adults as well'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you be harassed through public school?'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cyberbullying'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there are quite a few biggots here, but thats not unlike most of this country'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'the kids beat her up and insulted her, the teachers failed her'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not through the school. That's just while in school.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'laws are going into effect where teachers cannot digitally interact with their students via social media while using school property, but there are no similar laws for student-to-student interaction.  Essentially, they're unsupervised.'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'maybe. smile sweetly and explain that to the kid living through it'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'my friend survived, but i'd call her emotionally broken now. kind of a waste, she's quite hot'
T3/r5/2012-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm so excited! We're mere minutes away from guaranteeing an unsatisfying bullshit response! https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"A cat belonging to an Arkansas Democratic campaign manager was found dead on Sunday night with the word "Liberal" spray-painted across its side,"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'oh geeze, people here in arkansas always do dumb stuff and make us look bad lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised the killer didn't also accuse him of being a Communist.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The mixed-breed Siamese cat had one side of its head bashed in to "the point the cat's eyeball was barely hanging from its socket," the release said."'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arkansas, where they banned gay adoption (I think) in 2008. Real class acts those Arkansasians.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no offense, but I don't think they're trying to make other Arkansawans look bad...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rather cruel...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder if it's one of the neighbours'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that gay parents make better parents.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i dont believe thats their intention either.. but good lord'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'not all of us are like that, just most lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must be someone who knew whom the cat belonged to'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Studies show that gay parents are equal to if not better than heterosexual parents. Children of Lesbians are the most well-adjusted.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if that has any correlation to the fact that childrearing is still predominantly woman's work?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'The dead cat notwithstanding, I would be pretty creeped out if someone hated me enough to kill my pet in such a fashion... if I had a pet.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that is, it's not that lezzies are that much better so much as they're Mom squared.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Male) gay households still produced children just as if not more well-adjusted than that of the average opposite-sex household. So probably not.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The funny thing is that since they used "Liberal" as a slur, they are likely to be of the "Family values" demographic. Great family values, killing people's cats.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did they correct for education and wealth?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had someone poison our dog once.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'what exactly does 'well adjusted' mean?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'family values only apply to people like you'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'duh'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well-adjusted means how... well... how well they are. Mentally, physically, when interacting with others, etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my opinion of well adjusted is not possessing any debilitating mental issues, key word on debilitating'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Generally, it means they do well in school, keep healthy relationships with their parents and peers and look like they're growing up to be great people in the future.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I think well adjusted is subjective'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well-adjusted means Little Princess isn't dressing provocatively or acting far more mature than her age when ponies and rainbows are still all the rage to her.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, it usually involves not killing people's cats because they're Liberal.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'well, that I agree with'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, your son's not very well-adjusted if he's the subject of an article entitled "Dad at age 13"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I thought your kids were well-adjusted if you took them to the chiropracter'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'great grandmother at 30'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I just get warry when people start throwing around terms like well adjusted'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how big was the cat?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, is it even possible to spraypaint 7 legible characters on a cat?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'i wasn't going to ask that, but that ran through my mind too, I'm not sure I could paint liberal on the side of a cat'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't say, but there are pictures...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about 10 lbs, but that's a conservative estimate.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/liberal-dead-cat-arkansas-a-google-search-tells-a-partisan-story/2012/01/24/gIQAukABOQ_blog.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'has one picture, among others'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'other articles have grisly descriptions'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other news, Faux Noise (Fox News) barely covered the story at all, and certainly not in print or on the airwaves. Colour me surprised! Fair and balanced apparently means "One side of the story".'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess they were too busy making Russian infographics that involve more than 100% of people.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like they did report on it, actually.  Timestamps don't seem to indicate doing so before today, though.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I can't think of any news outlet that's fair and balanced'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my guess is that they wanted to verify the story before rushing off to criticize some italian cruise captain for letting his ship flood.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to that piece, Faux Noise only did a "wire piece", which indicates an online article. Nothing on the airwaves, nothing in print.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, if anyone alleges a Democrat did anything wrong, they run that shit at once (and never apologize or correct themselves if they are later proven wrong) and repeat it ad nauseum all day long.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a demand for certain types of "news services". They do it because it's profitable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone does that, though.  Even the smalltime players you think are on the up-and-up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they do it because, like it or not, people want to watch it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like in that Mel Gibson movie Payback.  If you go up high enough, there's always just one person.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'you're not implying that news outlets are entertainment business that try to make a profit by tailoring their stories to the types of people that watch them?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, and unsurprisingly, a lot of people prefer to hear what they already believe...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and find bias in things they don't agree with?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but Faux Noise is at the head of that kind of "journalism". They're also notorious and pretty much in the minority for jumping on unverified crap and never correcting themselves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'o.O'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It baffles me how they can retain their status as a "news" corporation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that really is objectively true, Sonshi, then Americans as a whole REALLY don't want liberals in power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a difference between slanted and made up shit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, someone has to cater to the sort of people who least believe in searching for the truth...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not americans as a whole, but it's a large enough minority that it's worth making a channel which caters to them.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you have channels for people who like history, channels for people who like sci fi... and fox for people who like... that sort of stuff'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bill o'reilly is my guilty pleasure'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and msnbc?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fox, MSNBC (obviously a liberal propaganda machine, but undeniably a channel just like Fox), CNN, CSPAN, etc'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'MSNBC is a propaganda channel, but at least they don't run unverified tripe and never correct themselves. Again, slanting =/= Lying, which is why I hate Fox with a passion.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you wanted a less biased news source for american news, you'd be looking at mostly non-us sources...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like Al-jazeera? :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, bbc, reuters, even al-j is okay. At least you know what their slants are going to be.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bbc'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really don't think MSNBC isn't doing the whole slanting/lying/spin/etc thing you think Fox is doing?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Slanting? Yes. Spinning? Yes. Outright lies? Isolated incidents and not company standard.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with bbc you can ignore stuff that relates to the brits, al-j the stuff that relates to israel, etc.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do it more, and there are far more stories not told through the NBC family than there are not told through the Fox family.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Omission =/= Lies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it depends on what you omit'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox jumped on the "I got attacked by an Obama supporter and had a B carved into my face!" bullshit story. I don't think they EVER aired a retraction once it was uncovered that the bitch did it to herself.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. that really happened?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. She was too stupid to do it properly. She did it while looking in the mirror and carved a backwards B. That's what gave her away and she finally broke down and confessed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'do it for the lulz?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox ran that story to the ground the minute she spoke to the press. Not a single retraction from what I could tell.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did that happen?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Last Presidential election cycle (2008).'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft!  Might as well write you off as an Al Gore recounter, then.  Thought it was something more recent.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.wtae.com/news/17789356/detail.html | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080189/Young-Republican-claimed-Obama-supporter-carved-letter-B-face-robbery-story-police-say.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you saying Faux has changed in the past 4 years?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see why so many American trust Rupert Murdoch, an Australian business magnate who fostered a corporate environment in the U.K. so corrupt their newspapers started hacking people's phones, including that of a missing teen (who turned up dead) WHILE SHE WAS MISSING.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claims to have had no knowledge of these apparently widespread and long-term corporate shenanigans. That has already cost them millions in damages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the best part about that crazy college student is that the B was backwards ala she did it in a mirror'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama hooks up drug cartels by sending them gun and laundering their money.  Clearly, those in power are the ones doing all the bad things and so should be prosecuted as such.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what, you DIDN'T know DEA was laundering drug money?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Care to provide any credible sources for that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the dea did that, its not like obama is in mexico handing out weapons'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Operation Fast and Furious should provide more than enough such links for the gun stuff.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, in other news, bit of fighting in bani walid. Early news articles claimed that pro-gaddafi forces had pushed out NTC troops, but now it appears that some local faction was trying to paint some other faction as being counterrevolutionaries after losing a fight.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You do realize that Obama isn't a dictator, right? He can't just say "Make it so" or "Stop doing that".'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People working for the government are doing it =/= Obama is doing it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct30/0,4670,AttackMcCainSticker,00.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, the government is so packed with political appointees stretching back for decades, it's hard for regular people to tell who's responsible for what anymore.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I guess Obama's cat was slain recently and had the word "Liberal" carved into it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my point was that you can't hold the men in power (ie, Rupert Murdoch) directly accountable for the scandals that are committed by their holdings JUST because they are the men in power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that cat was ruining america!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fox's update on the 'carved B into face', also from 2008, about her being arrested for lying to the police.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say that's what I thought. I was not so subtly implying that I highly doubt he was unaware of the shennanigans.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic: Wire pieces. Not on the air.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's gotten bad enough that there are probably lots of people working to discredit their opponents for political gain, even as it damages the country.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'see every republican candidate this year'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I don't *watch* fox, but you said 'not one single retraction', if you meant otherwise you should've clarified'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Almost every single Republican candidate this year discredits themselves by their own actions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every democrat, too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I should've clarified, Majic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the independants are getting in on the action.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what, shock and horror, politicians are scum?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just think that if you run a story on-air ad nauseum, when it's proven to be fake, you should run a retraction on-air as well.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how much fox do you watch, and why??? :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because a bajillion people saw the news footage but didn't read the retraction. And Fox knows that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't actually watch Fox. I see a few things here and there. And if it's really outrageous, I pay attention.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'because the narrative drives the content, and part of the conservative narrative is "we are never wrong"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, that wire piece retraction that Faux Noise ran, it was posted SIX DAYS after Ashley Todd admitted to it being a hoax.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Faux also makes sure to wait long enough for people to have forgotten about stuff before admitting they ran bullshit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a few people, it's a bit as if, God can't be on the wrong side, so I can't be wrong...'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that was posted so they have a rebuttal to the constant attacks on their accuracy'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, the "God's with me" politicians. Sarah Palin, why didn't you enter the race? What a glorious catfight that would've been. Palin vs. Bachmann.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stretcher: Well, obviously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the narrative drives the content, facts are secondary'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the link I pasted was the first one I found on search fox for "Ashley todd"'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, here's the second link, posted 5 days earlier. http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct25/0,4670,AttackMcCainSticker,00.html'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, they ran a retraction the day AFTER she confessed. Still a day late. But at least it's not 6 days.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, they made a big hullabaloo about it on air and only ran retractions on their website.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I stand corrected. They ran a retraction the same day she confessed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And then... they ran the exact same article the next day?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'for clicks'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holy dildoes, it's the EXACT same article, verbatim. Posted once on the 24th and once on the 25th.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'they are a prolific organization, but not noted for their accuracy :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MSNBC does the same thing.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the news-forwarding sites do, too.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, repost articles verbatim one day apart?'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and make big deals out of stories with inconvenient retractions.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. It's pretty common actually to see the same story posted online by several different news-sites.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'including, yes, the same one on consecutive days.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'people who work for news companies really don't seem to care about textual quality.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'typos, mischaracterizations, in a few extreme cases outright lies.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although in this case it's the stupid attention-seeking chick '
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'who lied'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Majic. It's the SAME news source.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fox News posted the SAME article twice, verbatim, two days in a row'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, Yuna, that's what my 'including the same one on consecutive days''
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why yes, I had gathered that. I am able to read, and you had already said that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I said that that is not uncommon.'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 's.o.u. time'
T3/r5/2012-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yay?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear they found the cure for cancer now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it's more of a vaccine'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'at least from what I had heard, but yeah'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it had the word liberal painted on it?'
T3/r5/2012-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant through iTunes itself. Using other programs is cumbersome.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Sajak: (hic!) Sorry, there's no E in the puzzle. Contestant: ...I said H, Pat.'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear that Pat Sajak used to do Wheel of Fortune tapings while drunk?'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guh, digital TV was such a fucking tarded idea'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least analog could tolerate poor signal reception, worst you would get is a fuzzy picture'
T3/r5/2012-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Much better than the psychedelic mush that happens now.  Am I right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'GOP Debate: Romney-Gingrich circlejerk. Oh joy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe just heard another candidate flush down the toilet of potency as Gingrich proposes to colonize the moon as president.....
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Are there any democratic possibilities other than Obama?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'usually the president is auto in afaik'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Depends on the pres and the year and their popularity'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Gingrich doesn't plant to that untill his second term don't try to make him sound crazy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'i bet people have split into two major categories: they receive food stamps or they support republicans'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'thanks to obama'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i hate both parties'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'I need to get food stamps, but I hate both parties too'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obama was set up in 2006 to be the democratic patsy.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'food stamps are really helpful if you qualify'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i think it was 2004, and what was he a patsy for?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'right, but obama made every effort that people who make their own money hate him now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'gingrich would actually fix the economy, so let's vote for obama!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can qualify for food stamps if you're unemployed and sitting on a couple hundred million of deferred income.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well when you can spend your foodstamps on filet mignon and lobster, not right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'you can't really sit on deferred income without income, as you have various prop taxes to pay'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'could you use your whole months food stamps to buy a tin of beluga caviar, i wonder'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ain't no property taxes on retirement accounts and suchlike.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'you could, but if you really need to feed yourself and a family, you would not buy beluga'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ph 15'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if you had something like a Roth IRA going, any principal you put in can be taken out taxfree whenever you wish with no sort of penalty beyond the obvious one of not having that money working for you.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'that's because with a roth ira you've already paid the taxes on that income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'Modi: you can use your foodstamps in Whole Foods, and even in Life Thyme'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'how many millionaires do you think there are on food stamps and how many people living in poverty are on food stamps?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and most states only have a subset of items able to be purchased with food stamps'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'Life Thyme is one of the most expensive grocety shops in NYC'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these are the same millionaires most people think are weaseling out of paying their fair share in taxes, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'I doubt any millionaire would be greedy enough to do food stamps too'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'so let's fix the tax code instead of food stamps'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think people smart enough to avoid paying taxes aren't going to go for easy money?  Any scenario that makes it unlikely for them to do so generally destroys the evil-millionaire argument.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tlaloc: 'Amount of paperwork is incredible'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure there are some, but not common enough that it'd cost less to police than is being lost'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are documented cases of people who were of means having been busted for welfare scam.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'welfare's different than food stamps...welfare is cash in hand'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those are the "few".  There's a far bigger pool of people who didn't get caught.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are also documented cases of millionaires who panhandle.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only mentally-imbalanced ones...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there are waste, corruption, and scams abound... it doesn't mean the need doesn't exist'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what I meant, Hanslanda.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yep, waste, corruption, scams everywhere....so let's just keep expanding government to make these problems even bigger'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, it's a myth to say government is the cause of humans acting badly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'panhandling is about the worst ROI for effort...it's time-consuming, labor-intensive, for not all that much gain'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it could be argued that greed is unbalancing except that it is hardwired on just about all living creatures.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not the cause, merely an enabler in some cases'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what about that farm-aid program intended to help black farmers?  More than a few millionaires got handouts from programs like that.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'should churches all be disbanded because there are some bad priests?  should all businesses be destroyed because some of them are crooked?  it's windmilling...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you'd have to define "some", Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'my point here is that nothing is pure, and arguing that because government programs are not pure, they have to be reduced, is a dangerous simplification that can have very bad results... government waste has to be addressed, but not simply by slash and burn'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said gov't was the cause for people acting badly, it's a huuuuge enabler though, *nod abelinc'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'sorry, most of those programs DO need to be reduced, not eliminated, reduced'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'first rule of cleanup is demolition and cleanup.  Get rid of the trash, let it sit and suffer a while, then build new.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sotura, the thing is, those who play the game strictly by the rules are rare and far in between. I doubt any businessman with a chance to make a profit will look at the ethics of the situation hard enough to dissuade him if the legality is in order.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he can't afford to'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he could afford to if all abided.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the first item on the agenda should be the military industrial complex... not welfare, not social security... etc.  the biggest source of fraud right now is there, and oil second... i believe'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that is why he can't afford to.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if everyone abided in JUST the construction industry, we'd be paying double or triple what we pay now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in any case, we've got huge crimes being commmitted in all the corporate sectors, and the first target is the poor?  that's ridiculous'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what programs are we talking about now? when I came in, it was food stamps, so I'm not quite sure what businessmen we're discussing, and I wouldn't say that people validly on welfare or food stamps are few & far between nowadays'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so your claim is that if contractors didn't overcharge we would be paying more?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it's not a real solution, it's a smoke screen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that if people wouldn't accept bribes we would be paying more?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they woudl still be overcharging, but stuff would be far more expensive and they wouldn't be trying to cut corners.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting mathematical model :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'forgive me if I say you make no sense. To me cost + overcharge will always be greater than cost.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'prosecute corporate criminals... it's a much higher priority... the attack on welfare recipients is a smoke screen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction is getting double-whammied by rising costs and cheap labor, which means as a bidder I can give you a great-looking price that's around half of what I need to charge you just to break even.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'debate get rid of the pacs, that's insane... correct campaign financing... these are all much bigger deals than welfare fraud'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if contractors didn't overchage to begin with, something that percolates through the entire financial world, they wouldn't be in the bind there in now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'that's funny, because i know of tons of welfare fraud around these parts, and i'm from a little town in ohio'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do realize they are currently overcharging and still not making cost, right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: '0h'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'mis'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, why do we pay so much for beef now? Well, because in the 1970's cattle ranchers decided that they weren't getting enough for their beef (their greed index rouse dramtically) and withheld meat from the markets until they got a much higher price. We are still answering to that move.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they obviously got the idea from the middle eastern oil producers :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the average american could stand to eat less beef than they do now anyway'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'beside the point'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i missed whatever point you were trying to make'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'the average american can stand to eat, period.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they got it from far earlier sources.  Henry Ford's nemeses in the unionizers, for example.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I was pointing out that the cost of things have less to do with supply and demand than with the greed of the producer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction unions are no longer competitive.  they cost too much, and coupled with rising materials costs something's gotta give.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't disagree with you there, anaristos... i've never bought the supply and demand argument'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's why the trickle-down theory that Reagan was so hot on does not work, because if you ease the tax burden on the producer all he will do is pocket the difference rather than let it trickle down to the consumer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'prices are fixed all the time, in most industries'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no i agree, trickle-down is nonsense... voodoo economics was a good term... reagen got extremely lucky to get in on a good business cycle, and people have been praising his crazy policies ever since'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, ultimately the fault lies for the consumer for acting as if the producer is doing him a favor by ripping him off.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'here's a pie chart of the proposed budget in 2009... it shows what i'm talking about... if you're going to focus on government waste, it doesn't make sense not to start with the biggest piece of the pie, defense at 58%... http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/us-budget-2009.jpg'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the producer raises the price of beef? Fine, let him eat it then, the consumer just walks away and eats something else. Let's see how long the beef price stays high.  But no, the price goes up and the consumer lines up to pay.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'defense isn't waste, especially now'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's plenty of waste in defense'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh? What id defense defending against at the moment?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'more than in all the other pieces combined'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you can't be that dense anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'imo, most, if not all, the current military situations that the US armed forces are currently responding to, were artificially induced.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there are private mercenaries making obscene amounts of money and a lot of it is not necessary'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'low-flying airplanes and nuclear bombs hidden in vending machines'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'most of the weapons manufactured do not need to be'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'says who? you?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'okay, says who not?  you?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it should be obvious to you that Iraq and Afghanistan were products of fiction.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're #1 because we have gear nobody else can deal with effectively, not because we're the best-trained military.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'uh, says the budget sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '#1 in what respect?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see, so if the budget dictates, then it must be so...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, that's generally how it works'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well then we can't cut anything!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'selling military scout cookies, obviously.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we also volunteer at foreign hospitals as candy-stripers, and support foreign economies by offering cheap labor.  Someone's gotta pay for all that, ya know.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i can't understand how you could possibly believe there's no such thing as waste in military spending... this is extremely well documented'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said that, why are you putting words in my mouth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of what the military does doesn't involve getting into combat in the first place.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, it seemed like you were saying that to me... i thought you said we couldn't cut defense spending at all'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying that waste is necessary?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'You who, Anaristos?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything inevitable is necessary.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'i never said there wasn't waste, whenever government gets involved in anything there is always going to be some degree of waste'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so let's privatize the military. Instant savings. :P'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'speaking of which, i'm looking into buying a handgun soon, any suggestions?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'colt python :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'use a reputable dealer'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'colt python?  hrm....i'll give that a look'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those trafficking in street pieces generally don't take very good care of them, and you may end up blowing your face off instead of the intruder's'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'lol oh no, i'm not going that route'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'The main point I'm making is that the argument by Republicans, most noticeably recently by Gingrich with his racist food stamp remarks, that the poor are the source of government waste is ludicrous... and if we examine the defense budget carefully, we'll find plenty to cut, and probably have a lot left over to rebuild our economy with... we're working with a very broken model at the moment'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the .357 colt python or the sig sauer P210 9mm parabellum...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the poor aren't the source, it's the people abusing the system that are the source'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'hrm ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Gingrich's argument is that it's too easy to game the system instead of being one of the necessaries.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and he ought to know :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly... what a hypocrite'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the same thing is happening with the stolen-iphone industry.  The same Apple policies that make it extremely easy and hassle-free to get your malfunctioning apple product fixed is helping to support the thieves.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'hypocrite or not, he would fix the economy, i'm sure of it, hell i believe the last time the budget was balanced was when he was in control of the house....could be wrong on that but i think that's right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are naive :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think that is very very wrong'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'don't get me wrong... i agree there's fraud in welfare, and that needs to be taken care of as well... but it isn't really going to solve any of our fundamental problems, and using it to ignore the big ticket items is nonsense... smoke and mirrors'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'so when was the last balanced budget?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know of a president which will "fix" anything. Vested interests of either party demand that the tax payer be screwed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty sad how we're debating if idiot #1 or idiot #2 is best suited to challenge idiot #3...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's no way gingrich would improve the economy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: '9mm luger any good?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was never any balanced budgets'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'agreed again, anaristos'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '"welfare fraud" as a practice is extremely minimal and when studied its normally workers committing fraud not people on welfare'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't trust the modern lugger as I would the original.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'ok'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Congress has yet to pass any legislation that forces them to work within the bounds of a defined budget'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the sig sauer is almost flowless. The colt python is probably the best that company makes, imho.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think democrats (I generally vote democrat) are what Republicans were 40 years ago....none of it is liberal enough for me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'flawless*'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and all politicians are run by corporate politics'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, fixing the pork barrel is a giant task that is in the wrong hands, and always will be, it seems to me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we won't be literal enough until we have a large army able to operate within its own borders.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'alright, i'll check both those out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think pork barrel is less a problem than lobbyists'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the minute you vote in the challenger, they become the incumbent, and the pork barrel is tilted their way'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't need liberalism, it needs honesty and a devotion to the tax payer. That has always lacked to some degree or other, never as much as now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'btw, newt's house passed the balanced budget amendment, went down in senate by one vote'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'liberals have gotten too lazy in their defense of democracy... power has increasingly fallen into the hands of the rich.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'say what you will about Hitler's Nazis, but they really knew how to run things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny because i would include that in my definition of "liberal"...a devotion to the tax payer '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's because professionalism and idealism don't intersect.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'got to fix both special interests and pork barrel, can't fix one without fixing the other'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'been drifting in the wrong direction for many decades already, I think'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a devotion to the tax payer should be a requirement for anyone in office regardless of party affiliation.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newt cut all social items to help slash taxes for corporations ....hes full of crap and just read "real change" hes an idiot  hypocrite'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont consider it a balanced budget just because the numbers add up....all of his policies kill everyone but the upper crust'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, obama has been awesome'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most politicians, however, use their positions for personal gain and if anything good astray toward the tax payer, they consider that collateral damage :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nocturnus, most voting, i've found, to be choosing the lesser of two evils... there's never really a 'good' candidate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'no, his policies don't choke small businesses and actually make it possible to get out from under the thumb of gov't'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he better than most but i think the status quo (Obama included) is damaged'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah that's usually right sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is more efficient a president as Bush.  Only took him half as long to bomb out.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'who's better than most?  obama?  you just lost all credibility ucla'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why should you have to choose between the lesser of two evils? The voter has tremendous veto power. If no one votes for anyone, the message will be quite loud and clear. Do as we ask or get a day job.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'obama, though he has many flaws, is a lesser evil to any of the current republican candidates'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol based on what your opinion or any credible facts'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's quite idealistic anaristos... i hope so, but i doubt it'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i've voted third party before myself'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you have no credible facts to say that obama is 'better than most', that is your opinion'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not idealistic, it's jut that the public lacks the balls to wield its power.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'reagan started this crap economy with trickle down economics that caused us to lose most of production industries overseas'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'huh?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people think that they must be governed so they just put up with whatever.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have plenty....tax breaks, health care for starters'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'that's not true at all, trickle down helps businesses, it wouldn't make them move'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'most people are too busy buying ipods and mercedes to pay attention topolitics'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot about Carter.  Carter was the beta version of Obama, and even democrats are embarassed about what he ended up doing.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it does not'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, trickle down helps businesses, it doesn't help the consumer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i argue it's idealistic precisely because the public does lack the balls... now, it's not to say that at a special moment in history we won't rise up as one, but those are far and few between...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'trickle down is the single worst policy of this decade'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Ucla.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'ucla is trying to say that trickled down caused businesses to move overseas.....lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, lax tax laws are more at fault. If businesses drifting overseas could not ovoid their tax burden, they would not go.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nothing trickled down and it enriched corporations with funding to move to cheaper labor ...we are now a service economy without people trained to provide service'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, of the past three decades'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im a music and tax attorney ....tax laws are a direct result of people like your boy newt'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than ideological issues, I think it's more important to break the power of the two parties'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't vote, or better yet, vote for yourself :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow newt is more powerful than i thought'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'was extremely powerful'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a discovered crook :) So he should fit in the White House :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet im the only one here that has read any of newts books'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i still have a hard time believing newt came back... he was in such disgrace... people have short memories'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pressure the politicians and vote single issue on electoral reform - instant runoff, for example, if implemented will break the major parties once and hopefully for all...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its not memories .....hes the best choice for his cronies'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, Sotura, money talks and bullshit walks. Those behind newt are the ones to be worried about.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more the retardedness of such a long primary season'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with electoral reform'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It won't happen. There are few ways to keep the structure of the republic.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'riiiiight, let's see, the worst housing situation on record, the first time our credit rating has dropped, the economy in shambles....it's NEWT'S fault!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, vote for Obama again'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ive also owned two small business'.....trickle down helpe major international corporations and no one else'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'oh wait, it's still Bush's fault right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the tea party did the credit rating'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the tea party??? lol!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you remove the electorial college, for instance, the US will cease to be a republic in fact, no matter what it calls itself. That might have tremendous repercussions on how the states are bound to the union.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, weren't you paying attention?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'each region is full of different types of voters, and even things as petty as a good old-fashion mudfight is going to fatigue the hell out of people enough to turn them off of candidates.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'the tea party's fault!!!  they have so much power!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i  think it started with reagan...we demolished the middle class, taxes are lower than any time in the last 25 years and we are losing jobs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the tea party members of congress who refused to go along with any deals'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'never mind that obama had the house, senate and himself for two full years'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's actually not true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it started prior to WW2'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have to abolish the electoral college. Doing so will not change the party dynamics much anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what's not true?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we hit the depression, freaked out, and started throwing money around just for the sake of throwing money around.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats a laugh....half the democrats are republicans aligned to the same corporate overlords '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the republican party has a united caucus, but the democrats never have that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow, people are soooo willing to give obama a pass, they make up any excuse in the book for him, what a lucky guy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its called hate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they gave Bush (both of them) a pass, so why not Obama?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol a pass? bush burned down the house with his made up wars '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'who gave bush a pass?  are you freaking kidding?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, but on the credit rating crisis, it was the tea party republicans who refused to go along with boehner and caused the drop... at least that's what i heard on all the news channels at the time'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's basically the same response for any major crisis, and boils down to one entity saying to the other "what are you going to do to fix this?!"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'at least that's what i heard from the media!!!  '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and then they dole out money to their buddies and go on laughing'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact that he was in office at all was a pass. The corrupt SC created  law to have him elected. That's a pass.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'it's the tea party's fault....unreal'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i completely agree with that anar'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the tea party is a joke'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'no it isn't, it's uber powerful, ask sotura'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where do you get your news nocturnus, sitting in committee?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tea party did not cause the credit drop, but because they were able to derail the usual "throw more money at it" process we fell past the point of no return.  Regardless of what the tea party was doing, our credit rating was going to drop on Obama's watch.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ron paul is the best politician the republicans have he fooled a lot of young liberals into thinking a rich white man from texas cares about them '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'nice, class warfare and race warfare, the handbook of the extreme left'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the credit rating measure the probability of default, or is supposed to, at any rate'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you should be proud'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ron paul's net worth is lower than my parents''
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'default is impossible until tax rates are 100%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only real risk of default comes from the government deciding, for whatever reason, not to pay up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and we had tea party members of congress arguing we SHOULD DEFAULT.... how is that not a crazy argument? '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then your parents are in the 1%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'actually they aren't'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'maybe because they were sick of throwing money at a black hole?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't think you understand what the 1% means'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then your facts are screwed ...i just read his book and he admitted to being in that status with his net worth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he used as a means to say that i am that rich but i want to do whats right for everyone (which isnt true)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hence, the only good reason to downgrade the credit rating of a country that issues debt in its own currency is if its government is crazy enough to default just because they felt like it.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to be in the 1% you need to make over 450k/year'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no you do not .....its based on wealth not income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh :) the inverse idea of the 99 percentile :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Agreed Sonshi, we were downgraded because we had crazy people in congress saying the government shouldn't pay its bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'is accumulated assets not income if you make 450k and spend 450k you are not in the 1%'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and they stopped responsible members of government from doing their jobs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'wow are you gullible'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that probably helped Occupy Wall Street get started right there, if it wasn't going to already... it's doubling down on the mess, it's the move of a crazy gambler who doesn't understand their responsibility, they should all be thrown out of office'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the way they were going to "pay the bills" was to raise the debt ceiling so they didn't have to pay the bills.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'The best way to tell whether or not a politician is lying is to check and see whether or not his lips are moving.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the debt ceiling has been raised multiple times over the last 10 years ..... its normal for them to do it...whether its good is antoher story'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'Every one of them should be removed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, debt in advanced countries is usually "paid" by rolling them over'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone in position to do something about it knew at least a year and a half or more in advance that the downgrade was inevitable regardless of what was or could have been done.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are a debt country and paying the price now....very similar to what happened to japan'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that alone won't cause a deterioration in credit rating. See Japan.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what backs the US currency. The debt.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it was not inevitable... they were negotiating every day for weeks before it happened... there were feasible agreements made, and those idiots threw themselves in front of the train'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'years, Sotura.  Why do you think things got so crazy around budget time?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't think any of them understood what a debt ceiling was'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lowering the credit rating is ridiculous there is zero chance the US defaults'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm talking here about the idiot tea partiers'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the very presence of a debt ceiling impairs the credit rating slightly.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we would have a lot less debt if we didnt spend crazy on military'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe if it was hard to change the debt ceiling....but thats like having a budget but having a trust fund on the side worth billions....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'hanslanda, it's not like it hadn't happened before, i know that... but it was completely irresponsible for them to say no, we shouldn't raise it, let's make the economy worse so we can blame it on obama, and that's exactly what they did'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or welfare or education or pretty much anything that started out as a Great Depression program.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no chance you are bankrupt bc of that artificial numer'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny the republicans didnt have any probs raising the debt ceiling for bush to hand over money to Halliburton '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the problem we have is the public.  We're saying two very conflicting things: "get our debt in control or else" and "touch my handouts at your own peril".'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not. I want taxes to go up.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/07/only-one-democratic-country-besides-america-has-a-debt-ceiling/'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'who is we in that, hanslanda?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you may have touched on the problem with democracy in general , idiots vote , on mass'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what "handouts" we are talking about .....tax breaks are handouts that amount to way more than unemployment insurance that you pay into'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'en masse'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the we is the people in congress we expect to fix things.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is the problem '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and now we confuse people more with fake news and increased work load and keeping up with the JOneses'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be better if capital gains were taxed as regular income, with an exception for the primary owner occupied residence.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not "might"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they fix the problem, we lose a lot of things we take for granted and are at risk of unintended consequences.  If they don't fix the problem, we force them out of office and put new faces in who think they can fix the problem.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree about capital gains but primary residence is not taxed.....you have a large exemption if you have lived in that home for 2 years '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that should push up revenues quite a bit, from all the romneys who have to pay more than double...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does any tax reform run the risk of driving those taxed more heavily out of the country , we ave that problem here with taxation on mining- reducing our comparative advantage'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'define "run out of the country" for personal income?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no because if you want us citizenship you are taxed on your worldwide income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they want to live in somalia and start their business there...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jobs go overseas, or are simply lost due to liquidation'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no factory, no taxes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'jobs don't go overseas because of personal income taxes'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they dont crack down on that though because the only people who are super rich or international corps go out of the country'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you can lower corporate taxes and increase capital gains and personal income tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool, perhaps not the best parallel'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they go overseas simply to avoid paying taxes or wages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we have some of the lowest corporate tax rates around'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ehhh...not meaningfully'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and you can not avoid us tax if you are a us citizen or corp....you get a credit for any tax paid outside the country but still owe the same % here'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Google and the like still funnel all their money through countries like Ireland'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, as I pointed out before, the savings due to the tax rate is not transferred in any part to the consumer, it is simply pocketed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'double taxation, heh'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is correct the savings are invested to create more wealth or pocketed rarely spread out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its not double tax you get a credit'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so they DON'T owe the same percentage here?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes their tax liabilty is calculated on there total worldwide income income and then any dollars paid in taxes outside the country offsets that...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how many people would seriously want to move to another country and renounce their citizenship just to avoid personal income taxes.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though you'd have to wait 18 months to see any benefit...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'corporations are really what destroyed us....a seperate entity that takes my liability and givs me tons of write offs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nobody moves .....you hire good cpa's and hide your money with tax shelters just like wall street ....the IRS is not sophisticated enough to catch up'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it should be possible to eliminate most of the largest loopholes. It's not as if they're dumber than the tax agencies in other countries'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'goss and never take mine , I'm new =P'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mis chan'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact that the loopholes exist is telling in itself.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the key is that the langauge is vague and you would spend years arguing it out in court in the meantime i settle it at a huge gain to me and in the meantime ive moved on to 10 new tax shelters you dont know about'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there pressure Not to close tax loopholes ? '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'agreed...its made for the man by the man'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's something that lawmakers are complicit in...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes that is the biggest pressure in the country'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this whole talk of tax reform is, of course, contingent on the legislators actually wanting to raise revenues and close the loopholes...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tax breaks are corporations bread and butter....romney pays a lower tax rate then anyone of us'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would probably require electoral reforms like instant runoff...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi said it right and since lobbyists make sure that will never happen they will not make it happen'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a way to make some form of independant tax commission to audit the laws ? are there any independant gov branches there ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, they were all appointed by some politician at some point anyway...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no....its all based on checks and balances between the three branches of gov but they of course are al one and the same'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is not clear that the US tax laws are constitutional, so an independent commission might also be unconstitutional...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol....that is not true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats been well settled in law'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and the constitution'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a pity they can't legislate to make tax shelters a breach of national security given that it impacts on military funding .. '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'was that wesley snipes argument?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the constitution of the US expressly forbids tithes, which is what a personal income tax is.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they can but they wont'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet the later day saints tithe and survive on it ? how do they get round the constitution ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where do they forbid tithes?  they allow taxes:'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the 16th amm specifically allows us to tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sotura just wrote it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well that's not even the amendment, that's article 1, section 8, powers of congress'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '16th amm has similar but less strong lang'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'here it is: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's the 16th amend.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there you go....thanks for pulling it up'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well i wanted to search tithe... didn't see it mentioned'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool , it did seem a lil silly it was unconstitutional to tax '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wouldn't be surprised they were arguing about it... weren't taxes one of the big arguing points setting things off... the boston teaparty and whatnot'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not unconstitutional to tax but the income tax is only "constitutional" because the government double-talk.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, the rallying cry was 'no taxation without representation' right?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what was taxed was a huge problem but that was based on english non rep'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'which it should be here again lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and arguably, now, we've got representation... i think it's a pretty good argument that representation is failing us though, so that could be what leads to the next revolution, if enough people feel that way strongly enough'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the US is a declining empire'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US constitution, following the precept that the US was a republic, expected taxation to issue forth from property owners.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its the same they "had" representation but you gained access by wealth'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then those with all the assets should pay all the taxes is what that sounds like to me'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if I work for a living, there is no conceptual difference between working for wages and barter. Barter is not taxable so why should wages be?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is a very large difference.. loans and tax basis prevent you from being taxed via barter'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get what you are trying to say but its not the same...if we bartered we would pay the gov in furs or whatever lol'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the irs says you've got to report income gained through barter'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes but you have a tax basis in the item so assuming your item declined in value and you traded for equal value you would have no "income" ( i.e. you would not profit from bartering)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that working for wages as opposed to demanding rice, beans, and wheat, is not the same?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you don't profit from working for wages either.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I am saying that items you barter with have a tax basis because they were acquired and thus you need to make profit to pay tax'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in the same way if you're working as an independent contractor you can write off business expenses, is it any different?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would have to show that you are being paid more than what your work is worth, but as in barter, that's impossible to assess.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you business expense is your tax basis...what you put in to get the item....what you spend on your business is not profit nad thus not taxes'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if it were the case that it can be shown that your work is worth less than what you are paid, the only the difference should be taxable.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so it's not market value of what you're bartering, it's cost to produce?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its cost to produce vs cost sold for....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both are artificial, Ucla.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or cost to acquire'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree all these concepts are artifical'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and yet, important to understand if we don't want to end up in the hoosegow'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats why its complicated "income" has strict definitions and they carved out income from capital gains to have a lower tax rate....guess who bnefits the most from that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the earlier days, serf only worked for barter, so they were demanded by the fief to pay a tithe. Much the same as they are now.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tithe = direct tax :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'serfs were generaly indentured ...that was a form of slavery (which I would argue still exists in some of the lowest wage jobs)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what is different now?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'income taxes are not headcount taxes or even flat taxes. Not in civilised countries anyway.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't know if i was reading the topic wrong... http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html -- it seems to imply that both sides of a bartered exchange will be taxed, and can only reduce (maybe) the burden by their costs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I am not indentured I am not beholden to a debt and required to work and live a certain way'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's arguable, Sonshi. They are bracketed taxes, much the same thing. if you fall in a bracket (if you are part of the head count)  you pay x.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the costs are the tax basis'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, not Sonshi :) Sotura :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'everything is taxed but if the net income result of a barter is zero profit no income was gained and zero tax is due'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a train of thought that suggests social welfare was introduced to stop barter and bring everyone into the "white" economy, not sure the gov likes barter that much '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Ucla. So where is the profit if I barter my labor for x dollars?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'wow, that's interesting tzadkiel, who's saying that?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we need welfare ......its pretty well accpted in economics that supply and demand in a job market is never perfectly efficient and thus there must be some unemployment'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was part of my yr 11 social studies '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol aka a lefty teacher throing ideas out there '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'your education, gas to get to work, the materials that you take to the job minus the amount you are given in goods above that amount'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats pretty well accepted in most everything i have read including stuff from U of chicago economics (repub think tank)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you bartered to zero your incentive would be not to work'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, an artificial justification. The dollar holder gets to indicate its "costs" not the labor producer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'huh?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the laborer can argue successfully that he works at a lost when he's paid in wages.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, of course, he will be ignored.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, it's an upside down system'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'in more ways than one'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I disagree in general but for some people i would say thats very true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'selling labor, how do you account the costs?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and thus no incentive to work .....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'for most workers, they don't get to deduct any cost of labor, no?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a person has to ride public transportation for 5 hours a day to get to his job, how much does his wages cover that loss?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'to not have to calculate it directly we are given a tax rate and a standard dedcution'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but on the other hand, deducting it can be a real pain in the blank'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'everyone gets a standard deduction'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's not doing anything that will return anything from the payer.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think you can claim those sorts of things here , public transport etc '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what you mean...the lowest job workers that might be very true'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the employer does not travel to the employee and yet he gets credit.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the employee does not get paid while he's getting to the job and he's not allowed to declare a loss of income while he's traveling.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i would say that by your argument corporations and business owners create welfare by paying so low a wage their is no incentive to work...if thats the case they should pay for that social cost and not spread it out'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is always incentive to work :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its factored into your standardized deduction'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter what the wages are. history proves that :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no there is not....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is an incentive to survive'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thus crime '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if that were the case, lack of incentive, then many companies with horrendous pay records would have gone under. Companies such as Walmart :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the worst war we ever created was the war on drugs ....most costly with worst results'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the truth is that any income is better than no income at all, so the employee will put up with almost anything.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no because we create welfare which says you have to work to get it ...thus we enslave the lowest rung'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no war on drugs, only the appearance that there is one. '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you make the same from welfare and from walmart then people would not work...so its really a tiny bit better '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats my point...we spend all the money but no results its fake'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb we have some form of work for welfare here , the argument is that ppl not working are not "work ready" either '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so where do you consider you guys on the political scale? conservative, liberal?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if people refused to work for Walmart, it would fold. Most employees lack the courage to suffer for a cause for which they might not gain concretely.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we create a whole population of those people by making them felons they will never hae a legit shot to make a decent income'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'socialist-liberal-free market'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we are ignoring a big factor in unemployment. Population pressure. Though I am not willing to dip into that at the moment :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I take it there is no min wage in US and not much of a labor movement ?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would agree but im dont believe in free markets because ti dont think they exist'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course they don't :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'population should drive up the demand as well and balance out if we were efficient'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no minimum wage at the federal level, it's set state-by-state and if I recall Hawaii just upped theirs to $10/hour.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the labor movement is under attack... there are minimum wages'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think religious orgs should be tax free'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'as far as Im concerned $10 is min wage.....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, mismanagement of resources has a serious impact on that, Ucla. There is no profit in efficient management of resources, simply because then income would be simply part of the standard deviation :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if its under a true living wage its a min wage'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow ! I think ours is $17.40/hour , less for kids though'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where's that at?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think yours and our dollar is at parity '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there is a federal minimum wage in us, but lots of exceptions'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'and lots of state levels also'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would disagree....efficient management would profit against innefficency...theres no incentive on results american corps profit at the top regardless of performance only the workers pay'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'federal us is $7.25'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the 2 loopholes to pay lower here are employ kids or apprentices , not so sure about the apprenticeship scheme though '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you sure? thought it was $8.75'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'either way unless your cost of living is alot lower than ours how do ppl survive on a min wage ?!'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or hire illegal immigrants...always makes me laugh the people that seem to complain the most about immigration are the same power players that hire them'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '17.4 australian dollars? What's the unemployment rate like in australia?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what state?'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it's $8.75, all of Missouri is in violation since I doubt any exception would allow a state to ignore a federal mandate to pay even less.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they dont....they work two jobs, they live 2 families together its bad'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '4- 7 % unemployment '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, no wonder'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think 5% is the nat average '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'if you're below the poverty line you'll qualify for some assistance as well, possibly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think thats about right'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'some states are lower than federal'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'australia is pretty well run, would've expected 3% without that minimum wage...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you have to make less than $20k for a family of four for the poverty level'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but 5%'s fine, I guess, with welfare'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, here's wikipedia on it, you can doublecheck elsewhere, right?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._minimum_wages'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '20K is actually almost not enough for a family of 1 :)'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah 5% to 6% is about what i think economists think is good for the economy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of beggars in american cities...'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i make a whole shit ton more than that'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have alot of ppl that are welfare dependant/ or just don't want to work making up that 5% imo - lol and I'd get shot for saying that in some circles here '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they can't do anything worth 17.4 aud an hour, it wouldn't be surprising if they're unemployed.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if your option is to make the same amount working or not working then i would rather you not work ....your life is gonna be hard no matter what and at least you can give your kids a shotbeing around'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see why? There are always people willing to take advantage of the system, whether they are welfare recipients or corporate CEOs'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me put it this way, the amount of money it costs the government for one person's fraud is less that what a corporation has to skim to pay for a CEO's golden parachute.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my ex was one of the top non profit attys in CA and her specialty was welfare....she is involved in policy creation...alsmot all of the fraud was found has been workers creating faks ssns or using dead peole not recipients'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in some communities here unemployment runs into its 3-4th generation - without any form of education they are largely unemployable '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that 100% '
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so eliminating both ends of the equation would be good for the economy. But, obviously, we recent the welfare fraud, but not the corporate one.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its the same here but people call them lazy'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'exactly ...i agree anar...to me its no different but the corporate form is so much more costly'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the ones making billions off corporate fraud would rather we concentrate on drop-in-the-bucket welfare fraud.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you do your homework you will see that most of our truly wealthy in this country have become so rich with government interfence....'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yep its all bate and switch....i feel its the same with religion'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's a bit diff here , one example a place called Kintore 500km NW of Alice Springs , Population 700-900 and I'll guess that about 5 of the locals actually work , for the rest they exist on welfare and have done so since we colonised the place.'
T3/r5/2012-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe the mistake was in the colonization :) Some people resent being colonized :>'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'people act like living on welfare is some glamorized life.....its all misrepresented and sad'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'name one person who says living on welfare is glamorous'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well they have to live with the laws of the land now since they have lost the art of living off it .. just stuck in the assimilation process imo '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'nobody chooses welfare who has options....the option here is to make the same amount at some shitty job'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newt gingrich'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'bull'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i got a buddy who brags about how much money the government gives him'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'and therein lies the problem'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol he just said we need to teach blacks to live on getting jobs rather than food stamps lol'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly, corporate welfare is the real fraud'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'canadian government though, so not sure how relevant that is to this conversation'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government gives me a few hundred dollars every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol those in the drug industry here are mostly on welfare , lower levels anyway i don't n=know anyone higher than that '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, they give all of us a few hundred dollars every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, Amazon's shipping cocaine in textbooks now.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha what they "give" us is our own money :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'just like the welfare paying off people not to barter argument?  we could argue the government's paying off people to look the other way on the really egregious stuff...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i wouldnt argue i think thats true'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nah, it's just an argument'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we can find all the crack dealers but not the importers?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it'd be interesting to study'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they tax the rich more, and hands everyone a more or less fixed sum back. The poorer you are, the larger a percentage of your income you're getting...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think its an argument....tax breaks are people lobbying people to look the other way'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the crappier your flat is, the more you get too...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  recommends "Total Synthisis II" as a humor us book to import drugs with
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the tax burden has always been with the poor - I remember a cartoon depicting exactly that , and the cartoon was from the french revolution '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'just read dickens .....industrial revolution all over again '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i'm not being clear... i mean to say something like, does receiving government assistance make the receiver more likely to be complacent about government corruption?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'noone like to bite the hand that feeds ?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'sort of'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so...i think it creates a helplessness '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, but that can lead to complacency too, no?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the whole "Hand out " not "hand up" argumant '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'directly or indirectly... is the government buying its way out of the next revolution?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think you are right '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think if you asked any person on welfare if they would rather have that or be well off they would be well off but if thats not an option they maybe they are complacent but i would call it helplessness'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'once homeostasis is achieved 90% of the pop just want to keep it , damn the consequences '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'made up figure'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think we are a declining empire just like all the other historical ones....everyone here thinks they need to make $100k look at real houswives of orange county and all that crap'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep it is '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '78% of all statistics is...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or 77% '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, i mean complacent in the sense of not struggling, or struggling less'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '90 % = (imo a large percent)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I like the idea of making 100k, because it means I can do things like only work every other year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh yeah i would agree to that....i dont like the word complacent though it implies lazy and i think thats a misconception'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe every other year?!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Fiendish you don't want a nest egg too ? '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm not talking about lazy, although if you think the oppressed have a moral obligation to resist, i suppose you could make that argument as well'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to do what with?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im an atty in LA ...$100k is barely getting by if thats what you make'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'retire?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well I figure if I get cancer or something I'll get a better shot of surviving with more $'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I can retire fine even with working every other year at 100k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it all depends on how much you spend on stupid things'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that i agree with but most americans spend a lot on stupid stuff ...also where you live in the US'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Boston'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'interesting point... was marx wrong because he forgot about laziness?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '$100k in Boston?!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't quite understand the exclamation marks'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so...it seems everyone knows we need to have some unemployment but yet we villify those unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can get by fine on maybe 15k in philadelphia (or even 5k if I really had to)... but at some point I'd like to have a family.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'why do we "need to have some unemployment"?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't want to have children'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'kids will probably cost lots to raise'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have a hard time believing you can live very comfortable in boston on $100k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'then your reality is completely fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'praise the unemployed , for without them wages would rise and so would inflation =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I can get by comfortably by spending 20-25k per year, and that includes travel'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on whether you really must have that five bedroom in the middle of the city or not, I guess.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'supply and demand and inefficent economies.....we are supposed to be the best economy ever and have never had zero unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people are fine with a one bedroom on the outskirts.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and a LOT of restaurants'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, you can get a new four bedroom flat for under half a million...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dunno my wives best friend is in Boston and we go regulary rent alone seemed pretty high let alone buying a house'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'rent is not /that/ high'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '/h 10'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '$1350/mo split between me and my girlfriend isn't scandalous rent'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thing I dislike about american housing is that so much of it is old and run-down...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah well your income is a lot higher if you factor her in '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nice, new places are pretty expensive...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why shouldn't I factor her in? if I weren't living with her I'd be paying exactly the same amount on rent by living with someone else'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and just as low-quality.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '100k is about $6k per month a mortgage is about with taxes and ins is $3k '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a mortgage in boston is stupid. economics professors at harvard rent.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im saying that your household income is higher.....your not living alone on $20k'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'she doesn't pay for me'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my expenses are still my expenses. if we split food and rent, my part is still the same no matter what'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'a car and ins is $400 - 500.....utilities are $400 -500 and if you have kids ...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she doesnt pay for you but she splits the costs of the housing'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'utilities are like $25/mo'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home a lot of people borrow from their retirement accounts to buy houses rather than from banks...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're not getting it. if it weren't her I'd be in a smaller space paying the same amount'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'do you share a room with her?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'let me give you an example of what I mean'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what happens when your 70 and need someone to live and help you out....but cant afford to rent?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... it's the same if you would've split it with someone else anyway, but half the space usually costs more than half. At least over here.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'before I moved in with her, I was sharing one floor of a house in cambridge with 2 of my friends. my share of the rent was $750/mo'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe a bit less'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think i get i get it....but im not in college anymore....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my dad is 70 and I don't have to help him out and I make more money than he does. What makes you think I'll need help when I'm 70?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the law of avgs.....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you forget that I'm saving on the cost of children'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's basically the cost of a house'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'We took care of my grandma in her older years.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand where your coming from...but one problem and your in trouble....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i took care of my mom amd now my grandparents'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'everyone has problems. people with far less than I have have far more problems and do fine'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you need three people to afford a place to live then i would say yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'need?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'She lived in my room while I slept on the couch for about 3 years'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'who said anything about need?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so you can afford $1350 a month rent in boston making $20k  a year?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I said spending 20k a year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and yes, actually'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quit hoarding and support the economy already!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but it would involve far more trips to haymarket than I make now'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's haymarket anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i give you props for being frugal....'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's a local thing. if you're not from boston you wouldn't understand'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.yelp.com/biz/haymarket-boston'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'weekend ultra cheap produce market'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'basically overflow from grocery stores'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well I think I'm gonna work myself stupid when I finish uni and then once I have a good stash of $ settle back , grow my own food, drive something that runs on cooking oil and solar power , sounds like a plan =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i like that plan'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if you're still in school then you might want to aim for something electric so that you don't stink like frenchfries all the time'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm too lazy to travel far. I usually just visit the stores between my apt and my dept.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are very frugal too'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol good call Fiend'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was more of a generalisation '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'with luck by the time you're ready to do that plan electric vehicle infrastructure will be decent'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not that young ! I start Uni this year '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'so youre 18'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still a kid then!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'or 17'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so 4 years of that. grad school maybe? then how many years of work?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's a while'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha im much older than that'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '19 - long story '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's this guy in my dept who was a minor when he started his phd'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'maybe 20 years work , idk '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder if I should go into finance...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol so I expect to be feeding chickens around 45-50 yeas old '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what would you do in finance?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quant, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again , figuratively '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'be like mitt romney. make money making money'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'seems to be the primary private sector thing for those in our dept who can't teach'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'would you be doing it just for the money?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I suck at teaching.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I may have sarted a cult by then =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i would be doing it because I suck at teaching, probably, if I did it.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smaller funds would probably be preferable...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the goldman sachs type might end up abetting all sort of bad stuff'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sorts'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can fund my cult then =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im down with the cult'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we'll base it on Norfolk Island so we don't have to pay taxes . be our own tax haven :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quants might not make all that much though, the one time I looked up a fund which was advertising, they were offering 120k plus unspecified signing and other bonuses'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, those might be large...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, it's many multiples of my curent stipend...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe your probably close to $200k with bonus and a couple yearly raises that plenty of money'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, academia is more fun...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then teach :)'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except when the students complain that you suck.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha then dont suck!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish it were that simple!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ever wanna rile up a teacher , "Those that can , do. Those that can't , teach it instead" =P'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i work for a huge music company you make less money than at a large firm but quality of life is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love the trade off'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, those that here it too much here are apt to quit and earn 3-10 times the pay elsewhere...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I know a prof back home who quit and went into banking because the cash they were dangling in front of him finally grew too large to resist. And presumably, his students got too annoying too.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I swear I wasn\t one of em !'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ack, my typo rate increases pretty quickly past midnight'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my fingers just find the wrong keys , they are not typos , just fingeros '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after over 6 years in the us, my typos are also becoming more american, somehow. At least, it feels more american to me.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'where are you from'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'where are you living in us'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'used to be ithaca, for four years'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh my wife was just in philly for the softball world series'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'singapore's nice, well, i saw it for one day ten years ago'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hah'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, home looks so much different after just 6-7 years...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always digging stuff up and knocking things down'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've put in more anti-global warming measures too.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, coping measures, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my wife is peruvian and i am mixed irish, german and mexican....peru and mexico have changed dramatically from our childhoods ....interesting to observe'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'preparing for eventual 2m rise in sea levels and all that.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, lots of development there, I wager'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'went to mexico once...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'went to see the chichen itza and all that'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah development and hardship'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'very cool'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the uncertain times ahead, it could be a struggle for countries still in the midst of development'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are going to machu pichu next year'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'richer countries can throw money and raise walls around their coastlines...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah....as long as they avoid the imf and world bank or privatizing their economies to foreignors on there own they many should do fine'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's going to be amusing, in a black way, if asia completes its climate defences and the us asks for emergency help and they say... no!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scottish independence?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I hear the Indiana legislature is about to pass a law requiring Creationism to be taught in science classes.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'really?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'SB89 -- teach the controversy.  Because evolution is "just a theory."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'I hate when people misunderstand the word theory'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they really should invest in a bunch of those tshirts... those are wonderful'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'T-shirts saying "Let me jump off this cliff, since gravity is 'just a theory.'"'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'opposition is apparently mounting rapidly though, as it sorta slipped through until now.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'theory sounds too liberal for them... all these subversive sounding things like number theory, general theory of relativity...'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Good.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Agent Phillip: 'agreed'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, no, these tshirts: http://controversy.wearscience.com/'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Number Theory: Just a theory!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Its sponsor Dennis Kruse told the Indianapolis Star (January 22, 2012), "I believe in creationism ... Just because there are constitutional concerns doesn't mean you don't try to get something done you believe in."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'this country really took a turn for the worse when they stopped teaching the flat earth controversy'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it'll get thrown out in court anyway so really just a stupid exercise'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I just hope that the same people who want evolution to be presented as a controversal theory believe that capitalism should be presented the same way.  '
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'capitalism isn't a theory, it's a philosophy/practice'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'be careful what you wish for... they might!'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'presenting evolution as a controversial theory is only their tactic because they don't dare present it as complete falsehood, lies, and corrupting of the youth, which is what many do believe'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'True, but there are theories associated with capitalism that actually ARE controversal.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I would hate to be treated by a doctor who doesn't believe in evolution.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Doctor, I got a flu shot last year, should I get another one this year?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"No, one flu shot will protect you for the rest of your life."'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, actually, many of the people who are say MDs will say that they believe in change over time, just not of the degree necessary to actually produce different species.'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only if you die from something else before the next flu?'
T3/r6/2012-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'teach the controversy!  moon BASE!'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'testing testing 1 2 3'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stomp: 'are you making a speech? *runs for cover*'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just making sure this chan was working '
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, leave it alone'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit you mentioned Nazi's and broke it !'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gofer it, dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe jumps in to make a kanye west move until he sadly realizes that there was in fact no speech about to be made....
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yay for ACTA!'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama don't need no congress to get his SOPA powers'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, didn't obama say he would veto sopa?'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sure did'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ACTA is why he was going to veto them'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by thwarting congress, or even better getting them to flee the bills like they did, he can completely bypass them by entering into an executive agreement (the treaty process requires a 2/3rds vote by congress, at this time one already spooked by tech resistance).'
T3/r6/2012-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's quite the brilliant strategist'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'local weather. does anyone want to compete? http://i.imgur.com/jAfFx.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'got an idea but think it might be dumb again.. but i like it - split xp 1. comes from time spent fighting mobs 2.goes to pracs gained - the stronger mobs, the more pracs. hm?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AP2BjpIYJLw'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, she can't pronounce diebold :P'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'Obama'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'not a good way to start a debate. you're already losing.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'Not good at what he does.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'debate over'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'fact.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feith: 'obomber?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'There is really nothing to argue about.'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'Monsanto?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Monsanto? Excedrin and bullets?'
T3/r6/2012-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'and geneticaly altered plants :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't really understand why they're doing a 3D Phantom Menace'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, it sucked in 2D, it's still going to suck in 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i disagree, i loved episode 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher pukes.
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Episode 1 was a complete dumpster fre'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'fire, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It was terrible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it was like paying 10 dollars to be assaulted'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Woudln't aardwolf be great in 3D'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'damn trekkies...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol the text is coming right for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It has nothing to do with being a Trekkie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I happen to be a Trekkie, but I also loved Episodes 4 through 6.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that garbage didnt deserve the star wars label'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Lucas dropped the ball with Episode 1, and then he flat out forfeited the game with 2 and 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'SW and ST are enjoyable, but i need some real scifi like writtings of Robert A Heinlein (starship troopers, stranger in a strange land) or Phillip K Dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'jar jar binks is the worst character in cinematic history'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jar Jar singlehandedly ruined that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i couldn't agree with you more on that one stretcher lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol ya he really is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starship troopers was real scifi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'read the book abelinc :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yes it was and awesome satire too, the sequels were pretty bad IMO though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'im a giant bug who's gonna pop your head and drink your brains with my straw'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya dont watch any movies after the first'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'straship troopers 1 = awesome. Starship troopers 2 + 3, utter garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pfft, the movies all kinda missed the point of the book imo. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'needs to be more sci for it to be what I'd contrast something as "real scifi" for...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'what isnt scifi about interplanetary marines that kill giant intelligent bugs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: '.. "real scifi" is such a contradictory statement lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the mere existence of a space ship, with pretty much no other technology involved, wouldn't be "more scifi" than the things being contrasted...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'more of a global community in the book as well, and some badass mechsuit drops from orbit right off the bat that they never even tried to reproduce in the film'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and my term 'real scifi' was just subjective banter on what i think is quality literature and what is not lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'oh i understood it, im just stoned and thought it sounded silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, star trek/star wars weren't written as books. they were written as films. heinlein's were written as books :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'films/tv, that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'ever read Neuromancer? i can't remember who wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just finished the book by phillip k dick that became Blade Runner, called Do androids dream of electric sheep. and hell f'in ya trihex, William Gibson'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I seriously tried to twice and couldn't get into it for some reason. No real idea why.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'gahhh i never finished it! someone stole my book at school lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'download the audiobook or something, thats what i like to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, audiobooks are great for commute'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'can slap em on my phone, laptop, to a disk. so nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'wasn't that book turned into a movie or something? or a prequel to a movie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for some series that get really involved, I'll listen to audio while reading along'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Neuromancer? the trilogy was turned into the rpg Shadowrun a year after the third book came out, no credit given to Gibson.. and pretty much spawned the whole cyberpunk genra'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'just seemed like i heard that somewhere back then.. was years ago that i read it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the way tolkien created the elf and magic genre today, Gibson created cyberpunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice, suppose i may pay the $8 on the android market and just put it on my phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anybody read Ready Player One?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats not bad trihex. i signed up for Audible.com and got it for free :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'most audiobooks online are like 30 bucks or more though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'Wikipedia also points to a million cyberpunk websites, some that include whole short stories, it's excellent'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i can't believe we haven't been told to shut up on this chanel yet lol ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'haha because its good information to share. i gatta go to work take care everybody'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice chat Khaim. Work hard for the weekend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it a computer glitch or a navigational error which caused the italian boat to hit a rock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Tyrant Unforgiven: 'wasn't it the fact that it was an italian boat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was a glitch myself, no way to prove that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was probalby made in china or russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since Chinese or Russian vessels don't normally sink, I don't see how the origin is relevant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's computerized'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the chinese workforce works for the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still missing the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one look at north korea and you see what russia's like'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you're on their side, i'm not stupid like most of people'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, most of N.K. problems stem from the US embargo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the great hacker aleph1 was from a japanese suicide cult'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people don't know that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that the cruise ship sank due to software sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most probable source yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage would be different than glitch'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a sucker for human error'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted, Abe, but what then does Aleph1 has to do with it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'If this is so, then why was the captain the first person off the ship?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most problems are human error, however...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, human error, whether building or operating the machines :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he wanted to cover his ass he woudln't have been teh first off imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a reason IT people like the term Pebkac'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instinct, this current world isn't the world where the codes of conduct were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is contrary evidence that he was the first one off the ship, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's 350,000 honda automation problems that 350,000 people wouldn't make'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in a situation like that the company needs a scapegoat, if they can't pin down the cause, or even if they can. Insurance companies demand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn warfare through interpolation and extrapolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that the captain may not deserve to be found guilty. But since cannot testify to his behavior I will reserve judgement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if he was the first, ever seen what people do when they mess with the mafia and are on a string?  they wouldn't jump off the ship after crashing into a rock if they knew who their patrons were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's some interpolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im going on a carnival cruise in less than 2 weeks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being innocent captain wh's devices messed up on the other hand, human instinct tells him to run'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope you can either swim or can row, Dirkdiggler :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe it was sabotage by people who have access to the electronics on the ship and the satellite guidance systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'point is he's in jail and the case is solved as far as they're concerned, like the 1978-1982 case in britain's Iran bombers, but a little different, the wrong guy gets locked up possibly, while the real criminals keep on selling the justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oops, irish*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i love the way you wrap that up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, no, the point of the sabotage...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, history has a way of repeating itself, when the criminals keep on writing the rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: ''real criminals'...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, what was the goal/point of the sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they can be the CEO, the president, the supreme court, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wh's gonna catch them?  the people they pay to catch you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage is either highly directed at something, or is for publicity...publicity only works when you let people know it was you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we follow the money, I don't see why would anyone would have done it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people are beyond money, the rothschild's donations of several hundred million dollar estates for isntance, and they're denial of jews entrance to israel during the holocaust on wikipedia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless there was some secret cargo on the ship and this is the only way to extract it... But there is no proof that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the cargo could have been removed under the guise of looking for survivors et corpses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'too many questions.. i have just come to terms with the fact that we will likely never know just what really went down during say, the JFK assassination, or strange events on 9.11.2001'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There was no Israel during the Holocaust...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1939 i think it was israel was invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'israel 48'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a British territory where Israel is now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'part of a deal with saudi arabia and roosevelt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel came into existence in 1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'born the same year as the CIA :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did we say it was over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel became a state by British charter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think you mean the japanese bombed pearl harbor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no I don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, maybe not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the international community doesn't see transnistria, but they supply every enemy of the USA with weapons, led by ex-KGB, and hosting the most wanted european criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point of history is that it is written by the winners, so we can only take the winner's word as to whom bombed Pearl Harbor :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and putin is Ex-KGB also, stationed in dresden from 1985-1990'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the stasi burned several of 111 kilometres of files on abused german citizens in 1989'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes?qt=qt0479926'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, calling him ex-KGB might be stretching the truth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, kgb's alive and well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'calling him KGB would be closer :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tha's funny, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I certainly don't remember that from the movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's one of the most-played scenes, in all the highlight reels :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as big as thank you sir, may I have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I must not been focused :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have been*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen what this planet can look like once it's all dead - that kind of drives me onewards to fight against that death, the leadership needs to change and be more maleable'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a serial killer and not racist, i just believe that some people if they don't step down deserve every torture they're given'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i was talking about the book Daemon by Daniel Suarez in here earlier. i hope to god that somehow becomes a reality soon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the planet has been dead a few times and will die a few more times before the sun goes nova.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters and stuff recently are only a testament of things to come, and they're welcome additions to men making war on eachother, but there will come a time when nobody will be alive if this keeps up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what are people's chiefs doing about it?  they lead the people who live their lives'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'good point anaristos, catastrophe, death of 99.999% of everything, is the only reason we are here now :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Think about it, Druzil. All it needs to happen is that the sun gets a bellyache and we are history in a matter of minutes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters are one thing, human's causing them are another - some are called for some aren't, and these aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'astronomy never scared me'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the earth will recover and and eventually there will some brain-carrying animal polluting the air again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky is very intimidating in itself true, but here on this world we should stick to focusing on making this place better'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget that our atmosphere was manufactured by plant life. terraformed so to speak'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can thank the bacteria for that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we can fuck it up, but bacteria will win again, and again'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dirt-eating, oxyigen/co2-farting bacteria :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same way the 100trillion bacteria strong community we call a human body survives all the crap we put in'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'you think we'd ever terraform other planets? or have entire sustainable populations in space?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i have faith in the ferocity of life of out smart our stupid monkey serlves'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe there's more to a human or a lifeform than their body, because i can't explain some things they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i know whats that called Druzil! stupidity!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without a mind, neuroscience never would have existed for isntance, and they say it's only chemistry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well.. seems to me that stuff gets into quantum non-locality, consciousness. it must pervade all the cosmos. there must be life EVERYWHERE. for me to believe its really here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There are terraformed planets already, Kirua. The problem with them is that their biota won't exactly match ours. A small difference is all that separates extinction from survival.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a limit to stupidity, once you know a single thing then it doesn't exist there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always keeping an open mind is important though, absoluting your knowledge turns you into a heretic, which is what most people hate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i weigh my mind based on probability of correction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing leads to another and it goes pretty far'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a zen master can deduce the entire universe from a single fact :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.': many say thats likely how WE are here lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or so it's claimed :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That's the point, Khaim. We are here and this is the only friendly environment that we have. We are exactly tailored to our conditions. Everywhere else we go we will have to modify the environment to survive, if possible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'means 'we' wont be there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter how congruous any other environment is, it will only be an approximation, and the difference could very well be fatal. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there 's a cartoon called terranova i watched some of on superchannel, has the humans invading a species who doesn't breathe oxygen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Or at least, we haven't found a suitable one yet ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the editorial we :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a interesting concept, what's the worst part about it is that humans hated their own world though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shangrila and things like that, nice ideas and possibly existed at some time, eden is a place in yemen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unpractical is because we work in the opposite direction and place high value on destruction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ecosystems are exact, approximations can only be survivable if we can mutate fast enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the end is death, not only of us, but of the ability to live in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'DMT...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shows us consciousness is crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute sanity is scarier than all hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats why i run from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, a change in the gravitational gradient will either destroy our skeleton or destroy our musculature depending which way the swing is. Unless we have offspring that can adapt. For us, the game is over of course :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's gotta be some awareness though, that's where the place of chief's and kings were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i heard terence mckenna once talk about the term 'Logos' and how back in the day, to hear a voice in your head when reading was a skill of divine attainment'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I take offense at any attempt to govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a philosopher from austria in the 30's who developed a system of black sun/white sun politics, one was authoritarian where the leader makes all the rules that the little people follow, the other was a leader who taught the people and wanted their input - alot like the real idea of democracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that as equal human beings (sans monetary wealth) we do have the right to understand what we need to, and our governance should be maleable to our concerns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you search ancient history you find liars/traitors and bad kings dispelled of quite gradually'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their root shouldn't be allowed to take hold as the overseer of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I miss the point of government. People begs us to put them in office, and when we do, they expect us to thank them for doing us the favor of having been elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the fact that the US government has secret hideouts to go to in case of a catastrophe pisses me off no end. That is an odd behavior for servabts, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'servants*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, my biggest beef with government is they give their people a bad name for no reason, while their people had no say in attaining their rep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'At this point I would like to note that earth gravity does vary over its surface...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's neccessary they should be able to tell them that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It wouldn't be so bad if the gene pool that they comprised would be one that humanity would be proud of. But I am sure that if only government people survive the catastrophe, humanity is doomed anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'earth's gravity varies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'within acceptable limits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in relation to your distance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'about .5% from place to place...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so if you were on your moon BASE?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, if you want to feel the variation in gravity just stand up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'seriously though, up in the mountains is less?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only real gene pool is one where the parents get along with eachother fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and its mass, which constantly grows, not by much but its calculable :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the higher you go, the less, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'machinistic hate isn't any reason to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'planets with gravity within a few percent of ours are probably reasonably common.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'probably, but that is one of many factors, and only if the gradient is within range, not the average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then there is the magnetic field, the electric field, their interaction, the flux of the field, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'life, by its very nature, is remarkably adaptable...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the existence and shape of the Van Allen belt...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. But only through mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how we are here today'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know about that... Bring an eskimo to the equator and he won't melt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the original hominids would instantly croak in this environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because it is within the accepted range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have th eskimo breathe Pre-Cambrian air and he will overdose and die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that range can be large enough that we can push some planets within that range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. For our children's children. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ones that wil live there well will be born there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if children can't be born or born and live to mate, the planet is a killer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ones who will live there well will be the ones who finish terraforming it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they survive they might not need to finish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would presume we would send them with appropriate equipment rather than dump them there and hope they survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, planet colonization will be similar to what happened naturally on Earth, but with certain significant shortcuts. We well not need fish to learn how to walk on land, for isntance. We can skip that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'from that POV, we are merely the infant, in Gaia's womb :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Actually dumping them there would benefit them more in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Find planet with suitable gravity, introduce suitable atmosphere... introduce suitable spin, adjust incident light... '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjust amount of radiation shielding, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'suitable spin, you are speaking of the formation (so we think) of the moon right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we can do that we can also build more congenial habitats. It would take less energy to build something to live on than to terraform.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all can be done with sufficient resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we're thinking in the long term, we can throw rocks at it to adjust the spin...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's another point, we need a moon just where our current moon is. That has significant influence earth's biota.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the really long term, it isn't beyond any physical law to make your own planet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it isn't. Just build some structure at one of the L points and presto :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... artificial moons are expensive...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am betting that they would be less expensive than terraforming :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if what anaristos envisioned is a reality in older species from older regions of the universe.. its possible.  we also see that due to the magnituede of the sheer number of forming solar systems...we might just be an ant hill in a rich jungle'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and faster to build'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you already had one, if it's on the small side you can throw rocks at it until you get the right size'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, habitats are certainly going to be cheaper...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can spin them to simulate gravity...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the thing is, you have to realize how fragile our environment is. How close to extinction we are at any given moment. That won't ever change, no matter where we are. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simple economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that largely depends on our tech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we have access to lots of energy, lots of problems can be made to... disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what are you going to do with the native biota?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'museum'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most planets won't have local life...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but we havent severed the umbilical'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, forget the large size animals. Worry about the bacteria and virus :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we dont understand how vital everything is'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'every thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if there was a planet we wanted to terraform, but had nasty organisms living on it, we could just sample those, then sterilise the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sonshi, if the planet can support native life why would it support our type. If the place is so congruous then it would stand to reason that it would have biota. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope no one visiting us gets that idea...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it can't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if they did would we even be able to know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we'd know from the rock dropping on us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i guess so'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would drop a thermonuclear device on the sun, it would be quicker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'irritating the sun into a giant flare is the way to go'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'almost no one would notice a thermonuclear device going off in the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sort of like squiting a water pistol at the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we wouldn't notice but that  doesn't mean that it wouldn't affect the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'squirting'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless they just got us working, we extrac a lotta gold, and manufacture uranium et al. at a staggering pace'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just like when Jupiter got hit by the metorites, they put minor holes inte atmosphere the size of the earth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a civilisation that could travel easily across the interstellar void would likely find us inefficient for any of their uses...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the first thing another species would do if they found us would be to exterminate us.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption either'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... those meteorites had for larger energy values than any thermonuclear device we could build though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'far easier for anyone to just drop rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'k s'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I doubt any race with a powerful destructive urge would ever make it to spacetravel'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably not'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a safe assumption. They have to view us a detrimental to their survival. They would realize, being space farers themselves, the resources we have available to us. Resources that would enough to destroy them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this "we come in peace, take us to your leader" crap won't wash too well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a completely unsafe assumption.  We have absolutely nothing to base another intelligent species properities on, let alone one that can travel through space'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but such urges are not necessary to contemplate sterilisation before terraforming, any more than your doctor would hesitate before wiping your skin with alcohol before jabbing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Again, you're making a lot of really big jumps'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're putting modern humans in spaceships and saying, "What would they do?"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would attempt to destroy us for the same reason we destroy rats, roaches, and other vermin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what we might do, for sure. And that's what someone else might do too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You can't use human motivation as the basis for this model'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always a chance they'd pop by and say hi, but we aren't going to count on that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not, but to assume that just because they exist they will consider us harmless is suicidal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Although you do reveal a lot about your own personality and outlook'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'd put $20 on you being american'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remember that running into them is penetrating their sphere of influence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would lose :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well no one gambles and wins every time'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the very least, if large rocks were to start getting hurled in our direction, hopefully we can figure out who's doing it and how to beg them for our lives or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the first thing that they would see is some invader.]'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and how to get them to realise there's already someone there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what will they do when they deduce that the "friendly" ship is armed to the teeth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they didn't notice us in the first place, they probably won't recognise anything we can throw at them as weapons'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that the "friendly" colony on the planet has been tracking them with warheads?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't have gotten as far as they did if they weren't aggressive, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just want to say that i am american, and i love rats. they are awesome pets, and i see in my self and others the capacity for generous compassion and empathy. I have to think that if a race was intelligent enough, and in haromony with themselves in ways we cant comprehend right now, in order to make it this far. then Gene Roddenburry was completely right and his visions were factual LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you got run over by a truck that didn't see you, the gun you were waving around hardly matters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Khaim.  They won't kill us, they will make us their pets :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i can only hope'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they even notice us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you actually think that if we run into some intelligence out there we will end up in some version of sharing tea and cookies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not even sure they'd notice us in the first place, let alone communicate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think that making assumptions one way or the other is insanity'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'first of all, humans are not that way. Humans will try to milk them for whatever they can get. That has been proven by history over and over. Secondly, as I said before, they will be aggressive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If they notice us at all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your second point is circular logic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"They'll be aggressive because they'll be aggressive!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, they are assumptions, but not insane. All I am saying that I would be armed to the teeth and prepared to blast anything that look suspicious. Better say I am sorry to the dead, than being too dead to say I am sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and again, you cannot extrapolate out form human behaviour to what an extraterrastrial will be'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'All your argument breaks down to is, "If humans were in space..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a reasonably good chance they'd just go "Hrm... okay, sterilise planets 2 through 4, drop probes 1 to 3, head for next system."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as though a species from another planet would have anything inherently in common with us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's IMPOSSIBLE to dedude anything about another intelligent species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'deduce*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you do it your way and I'll do it mine. If you think your chances of survival are better by pretending that the other side is harmless ( just as bad an assumption as thinking that they will destroy you) be my guess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'guest*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'jesus christ'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they made it into space, you'd guess at least that their whole cultural setup is capable of that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Immediate intellectual denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they didn't kill themselves off, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'They could be hyperintelligent insects, that have never experienced an interspecies conflict, and remain hyperaggressive to anything outside of their own species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or they could be similar to our mammals, and have evolved compassion etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but making either assumption is insane, outside of trying to write a good science fiction story'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'let's be honest though, if they're hostile there isn't shit all we can do about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and more than that, space is not a friendly environment. So it takes a lot of aggression (sublimed, of course) to take on the dangers of space travel. Further, even if it is just for exploration, they will have a protective mantle which may very well shoot first and ask questions later. There is no safe place in space, a mistake in judgment will kill you. If you destroy a few friendlies, that would suck, but it would suck more if you mistakenly assumed they were friendly and they destroyed you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless the tech that comes from space-faring peaples precludes all you have assumed there :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order to have sufficient inventiveness, I don't see how conflict can be avoided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... technology and civilization are not synonyms. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Sonshi: Again, you're operating within human culture and patterns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'they sure as hell are anaristos! lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'because most of human techology has been pushed by the competitiveness of capitalism, you're assuming that's the only way to do it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but the entire earth biota operates the same way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couldnt feed a population without our first technology, agriculture'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you tell me what animal will not run first or attack when they find something strange in their environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't mean that the first  farmers were civilized :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fight or flight, pretty basic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Anaristos: Humanity has already reached the point where there's no need to be aggressive or dominating.  In fact it's a reasonable assumption that if humanity doesn't quelsh its aggressive nature, we'll destroy ourselves long before space travel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it didn't take us much technology to dominate all life on earth, and no longer need to fight for survival at all times'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, really. So all the wars of the last few hundred years are just what? Little bumps on our road to uber civilization? How many more years of that? 8, 17? I am willing to be that we are just getting started in the road of self-destruction. Humans are obsessed with finding the most expeditious ways to kill the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and heaven help the aliens we meet if they happen to have something we want.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Right.  I agree.  Our seemingly inevitable self-destruction is a pretty good example of why a hyper-aggressive race like humanity isn't what we should be basing extra terrestrials off of.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said there's no need, not that we aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you think much the same as I on these matters, the psychology anyway Averan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a TP sold for 4m earlier, the market's going UP!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'evolution is another constant from which we can deduce a number of things...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I agree, up until the point where self-concious entities appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all I am saying that meeting others out there may be what destroys humanity. I can't see spacefaring lambs. The ones we meet will be aggressors. Whether they are as aggressive as we are or not, that's another question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'once you have Humans (or the equivalent) the general rules of evolution fall apart'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not to mention that our traits of compassion, kindness etc, are evolutionary advantages'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can't just say "Evolution" and justify aggression'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'survival requires that the living destroy each other so that only the strongest mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a species to have space travel, it needed to reach that point somehow. There's no pathway to acquiring sufficient intelligence that makes any sense, other than that it was needed to gain a reproductive advantage over others of the same species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'survival requires that people have access to the most resources not necessarily destroy it could also be to keep people poor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If we're going to use humanity as an example, the thing it needs to survive out long enough to gain technology like space travel isn't more aggression, it is less.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see that. You can be overwhelmingly technologically advanced and still be a savage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that too. it's a balance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technology is not a civilization. Technology can lead to civilization, but you can have civilization without techonogy, also. So it isn't even a requirement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have no idea what that has to do with anything anyone is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that just because one is technologically advanced enough for space faring doesn't mean that we (or they) won't shoot them (or us) on sight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's impossible to say one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we don't even have enough information to form a reasonable guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, that's true. You can bet that they won't. I will bet that they will. I  will put flowers on your grave.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your passive-aggressive "agreement" is very cute <3'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point of that is, that it is more prudent to assume that they will, though it might be more "civilized" to assume that they won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not you bet that they will doesn't preclude you from being in the grave ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd both be dead if anything like that happened...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Also if they're aggressive and are able to cross the gulf between stars'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's nothing we can do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'long live ender'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they were nice aliens, we'd still have to make them realise we're here, before they'd consider not (accidentally) killing us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the only one clever enough to defeat the buggers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if they're not aggressive, and we're diplomatic about it, we can negotiate our way to a reasonable survival in interstellar politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'So unless you know how to combat a race several thousand millenia of technology ahead of us, I advocate for diplomacy first'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best thing to do if something showed up and started to blast us with rocks or something is to try to make them realise that we're here and would you please please not off us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Granted it is hard to work up a  psychological profile of an undetermined alien race, but I can't see then getting out into space without a high sense of survival and I can't see a high sense of survival without the prerequisite ruthlessness.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan is agreeing with that Sonshi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You're trapped in your human perspective.  We're aggressive and squabbling, therefore everyone else must be!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe detonating a few nukes in a certain pattern...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ruthlessness isn't anywhere near a prereq'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It reminds me of the guy in the evolution thread going, "I can't imagine how the eye developed randomly..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure I am trapped in that perspective and I am a pacifist. That do you think it's going to happen when the perspective is that of some general?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more science is created through creativity than ruthlessness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's used for ruthlessless after creation, not through creation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but most scientific inquires are first directed into way to destroy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of the really big things were created under the pressures of war, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence the existence of the nobel prize...let's make the world a safer place by helping keep miners & transporters safe...here we go, he made a bomb'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe back in the days of Atlantis. But most modern conveniences are collaterally obtain from war research these days. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you are able to think of the opposite of him then isnt also a human perspective since you are human? both are just opinions and speculation and both are valid as such'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, they were refined in war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's half and half'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a couple of remarkable technologies (rockets, nuclear power) were derived from war research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the west didn't waltz up to china and start blowing bits of it off, it might still be coasting along...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a lot of other shit (medical advancements, computers) were largely derived from peaceful private research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Nobel prize is not adhering to the original intent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the west "opening up" china wasn't any technology being developed by war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a remarkable amount of medical research was developed to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well trained troops, after all, are pretty costly'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to save people from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'come, Abe. The west opened up the Far East with guns  pointing at their cities. Open up or else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very little was to save troops specifically from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Vaccines, cancer treatments, etcetc are all peacetime inventions'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... and there're more people dying in war... and under worse conditions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Marco Polo, he stole and ran.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the claim that we couldn't develop quality technology without war is just plain old fallacious'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'superglue is probably the most notable thing created to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say we couldn't. I said we don't/'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually you did, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only in the modern era that we seem to have figured out how to innovate without blowing ourselves to bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'except for the giant mountain of evidence that we do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you gave it as a requirement'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, and have you look at the mountain of evidence pointing to the stuff we don't get because it is classified?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Have you ever taken a drug invented in the last thirty years?  All of that is non-military research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how do you know that, Averain? Who funded the research?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Large medical conglomorates that want to make a profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I suspect that our current setup only works because everyone fears that if we got too backward, our neighbours will do to us what people have been doing to each other for thousands of years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'funding the research is not the research being done for war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'working with federal/international governments'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'universities too, they spend a lot on R&D'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor "ruthlessness" as a required driving force'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the government funds the research, the research is done according to certain specifications and deviation means cancellation. So, and I know, because I've been funded by the government all my adult life. Everything the government sponsors as research has military use.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sounds like you have a bias'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is the reason for the funding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how about stuff like pasteurization?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you know jack, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the basic research that drives the large jumps in tech are by and large driven by government rather than the private sector...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is a bit before the time, Kirua.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more survival instinct than profit motive, at that level, I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a time when government didn't fund anything :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You know, many country's governments invest heavily in research of new meidcal treatments, because it greatly reduces the cost of their public medical systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol no there wasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they didn't fund pasteurization'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's all about national competitiveness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good point, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all of our nations wealthy have gotten that way through a paid for advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you don't think that the government sponsors something because it thinks that it has other uses than military, then you don't know jack :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'railroads, banking, warren buffet and on and on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one of the motivating factors driving a government's lust for competitiveness is the knowledge that their competitors may one day tear them apart otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope anaristos, there are plenty of government research avenues with zero military applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'as if you would have done differently if given the opportunity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't mean that if it doesn't find a military use it will discard something useful. All I am saying that the primary motivation is military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'any statement to the contrary is worthy of druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'government sponsors what they are told to sponser by the wealthy that contribute to them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the boundary between military and civil strength is blurred in the long term...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can go along with that , Ucla. I don't see that weakening my point :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the military does fund lots of "non-military" projects, for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but other arms of the government do as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im not trying to weaken anybodys point just jumping in '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research that supports the economy is also a part of defence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the internet was sponsored by ARPA and it was a military project, doesn't mean that the internet is not beneficial.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it wasn't the internet then. It was the ARPA network, a hardware network.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was definitely military, nobody's stating it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government's just a bit more blatant about it... if you saw that page...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "this was military" is nowhere near the same as "EVERYTHING BAR NONE is military"...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'economic defence, one of the five pillars (and in the long run, the most important one)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am saying that the government will sponsor something looking for military application, if something emerges that is beneficial and non-military they will not quash it, but that wasn't that they were aiming for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'instead of debating, you guys should be plotting a way to get Lamar Smith out of office :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'his new PCIP bill is "interesting".'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what you stated, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Let me present two or three examples (from a single nation with a history of over-the-top military investment) now look EVERYTHING IS MILITARY~'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, some of the people that are opposing him now elected him. That should teach them a lesson :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'is he crazy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they launch that campaign on a certain anniversary... Their not so subtle way of saying "defend our economy/society/etc or the japanese (or someone like them) may land here once again."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure that you want to believe that the fief lords look out for the serfs. That's very romantic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich serfs make for a solid defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aren't rich serfs an oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well fed, anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and occupied'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there we go :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with lots of toys (less than their overlords, but...)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'rich serfs make for less money in the feudal lords pocket and that doesnt last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess the american government may not realise that... to their detriment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wealth isnt a zero sum game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the serfs in the US don't have money :) They have debts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when you don't have to spend money keeping them from killing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'keeping the serfs from killing you can be expensive, as the DPRK illustrates.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the spore flag on its side in that total defense logo looks like a happy face'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to admit that the credit card is a hell of a way to indenture the people. Very ingenuous and painless for the most part. Except for the times people jump off 3rd story balconies. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be intentional!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'psychological defence and all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh hell yeah, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but when you own all money and it comes right back to you its not costly at all....waging war against serfs when you both pay for the war and get paid for the war is net zero result'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're doing you a favor, here, go buy stuff, you can pay us back "whenever"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but just in case, let me have the deed to your home :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you can't pay it back, it's your fault, so you feel guilty'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone should max out their cards and then default :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the serfs have their toys, and if they run out, they feel sorry instead of angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might cause ripples :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'credit cards are one of the biggest scams in the history of the world...we have usury laws that prevent higher than 10% interest and they lobbied out of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then when people start filing bankruptcy they changed the bankruptcy rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, what's worse that they tell you about how low interest rates are. And they are low, if you are a bank :) Nominal interest rates are at 14%+'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people sort of take mortgages from their retirement accounts..'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they borrow our money cheap and lend it back to us expensively'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i think you end up paying yourself interest. Not sure how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the FED is practically throwing cash at the banks at the discount window, but credit card rates won't buldge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'here you are only allowed to take $10,000 from a qualified retirement account tax free otherwise you have to take a loan '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bulge*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they budged ....the limits were taken off so they could charge over 30% now'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no empire stays on top forever ....we priced ourselves out of the game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard somewhere that with fractional reserve lending? we wouldonly need to take out 6-8% of all of the money the banks hold of ours to bring the banks down '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of people charging high interest on two week loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the FED would just print more money hand it to the FDIC and things would go as usual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'payday loans or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah paycheck loans......they fall into a loophole'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the percentage would depend on the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, tomorrow when you go buy your bread and 50USD a point, well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a pound*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but with a lender of last resort (the fed), even everybody were to withdraw their savings, the banks can still survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'payday loans are at 15%, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '15%?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think they are way over 15% '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I agree, Sonshi. That would be a revolution, alright. But no one who loves her wii or xbox will ever do that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'padday lenders are much less regulated here and the interest rates are a hell of alot more than 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that... per year or per month or...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I saw and add once that showed that if you borrowed 300 they would give you 235'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's like a reverse-repo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 255 rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'payday and title loans are terrible, reacing 600% if not paid immediately in some places where they are out of control'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland have imposed a 48%-APR maximum loan rate, including fees and brokerage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the APR is higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of cases where the annual interest exceeds the loan itself... if they didn't borrow that money, next time they wouldn't need to, in a sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol why even have a rule.....thats called loansharking'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought it was alot more'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with the rules you don't get your kneecaps broken, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they really needed the money, the government should have some sort of aid. One way or another, there should not be a good reason to take those loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'might as well since your now a slave at those rates'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe if all the poor people were to request interviews with their congressmen, they'd get a sense of what's going on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you are on welfare in aust you can borrow $500 every 6 months but they have to pay it back '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how likely it is that their situation would improve in 6 months...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given our enemployment rate not much .. those that don't have jobs are either not looking or unemployable '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, how often do american congressmen meet their voters for interviews, I wonder...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get invited to town halls about twice a year '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not too often...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'regular people have zero access here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if you need to see them to get something fixed, you might have to wait half a year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zero?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you can write a letter but unless you stalk them or donate you dont see them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'congress is a high level you would do better with city councils here to get stuff fixed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't they see their people regularly or something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so I guess the state version of congressmen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for aid and stuff?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its low level city ......'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone can make appointments with congressmen, but nobody does'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i met clinton it cost me nothing but knowing the right people but it cost everyone else $500 for a handshake'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so they hold regular sessions, help their voters get welfare, etc.?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'welfare is usually done at the county level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would say they normally try and eliminate welfare and benefits its more about business benefits and pork barreling atthe congressional level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd go to the county assistance office'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the harship cases can go to county officials to get them to pull the right levers, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hardship'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no levers it all preset either you qualify or you dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardship cases shouldn't need any officials or levers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we have general relief for the most destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I still see tons of beggars around here though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting on welfare is generally pretty easy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'staying on it is harder, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you have to be willing to commit perjury if you dont qualify'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're starting with the presumption of qualifying, for this exercise ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I stated getting on welfare, not commiting welfare fraud'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's welfare... why are there so many beggars, I wonder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of beggars are mental cases, tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, some do sound like that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some have different opinions of begging vs welfare, when it comes to pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is difficult to follow the "Get a job, you bum" advice when nobody is hiring bums...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in college there was a well known beggar that would change his clothes and had a car it was his job...that being said welfare isnt really much money and if you only get general relief its about $500 per month'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm from buffalo, NY...they have bums/beggars as well...I'd always posited that if I was homeless, I'd start walking south...if you're gonna be homeless, might as well be warm & homeless in miami :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yep find the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh. Hard to find a place to stay in the city with that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they still exist in buffalo, so mental illness is the easy explanation ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're not familiar, Buffalo, NY is known for its winters'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be dangerous to walk across long stretches of deserted roads though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fall in a ditch or something and no one will find you until it's too late'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not more dangerous than being in the city where they'll step around you in the gutter'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're invisible anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they might not perceive it that way...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always feels safer when there are more people around, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that can give you a sore neck from looking over your shoulder, though :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see :) I'll just be happy to make it to T4'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other words when you are training your primary stats, you train int first, if you have trains left, you train wis, and if you have trains left you train luck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have many spellups that don't last 2 ticks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't pick a channel for the life of me :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'interesting.  The Fed and other intragovernmental holdings (Medicare, Social Security, etc) owns a combined total of $6.328 trillion of the US's $15.xx trillion debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that hong kong or some city like that was built by opium dealer's and the dirty money they brought in, and one day china decided that city was sufficiently rich, and them and all of their associates disappeared - do you think this is a strategy used in other palces too?  maybe by other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't get what the strategy is'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just curious how politics works, letting corruption think they're gettinga way with what they're doin gettin all fancy rich and then poof, they're usurped and the removers have a nice castle to  inhabit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they strategize over centuries some of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nice to be able to see what direction people are moving the future into, since nature is unforseeable for the most part'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it interests me you know, people make life hard for themselves more than the world did, the world is more fair than people most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't know... what makes you think the chinese wanted the british to sell opium to the smugglers?  and regarding the world being fair, i don't see how it could be... in what sense is the world fair?  it's not sentient is it?  is sentience required for fairness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness is a human invention'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'it has no place in nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it likely doesn't occur naturally, true, but nature knows what fair is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'personification is risky'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'always wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fair is generally something that gets expressed when one has a means of comparing what you have to what someone else has.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't prove the world doesn't think, so it's possible, monsanto tries very hard to stop weeds from communicating with terminator seeds as they develop an immune system'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'well, since humans are a part of nature, it would seem that fairness is as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just because something's not made out of our kind of flesh dosen't mean it's impossible that it exists, in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jeez, how can a cafe full of gamers all day long not realize someone died therein?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't want to miss a frag?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did that happen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Teipei.  Estimates put the guy being dead for up to 9 hours before anyone noticed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, that's probably a pretty big problem to try to explain, but we can speculate, like those people walking past that little girls corpse that 2 trucks hit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know someone who goes to a gaming place on Fri nights and sits there till Sun night without moving except for bathroom runs, he is completely oblivious to what is going on about him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where's that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that many people and that kind of a mean government history and stuff, ultimate authoritarianism loyalty to 1000+ year old inherited families, i guess they live alot differently than most other nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think about it, mass-mind control, mass-media, people so similar adhering to the bunch'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that maybe so, but the easier explanation is that the mind naturally enters a state of altered perception.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that on the news about the little girl, people can be ignorant everywhere, and some places it's just impossible for people to notice when something's wrong, cause there's just so much going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'other places the crook's are the law and themselves both openly, but people can't notice that and just don't see what goes on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is the classic in NY, NY where the woman was being raped in a courtyard surrounded by apartments and everyone ignored her pleas for help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nobody wants to be the first one to respond'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i been to a casino once or twice in my life, i was astonished by how hypnotized and obsessed looking the people were, they was mean lookin but zombie like, it was like being in an alien zoo - i imagine if i were in enough of those zoo's i wouldn't be as obsessed over the details like one zombie not moving for 9 hours during my trip there - the staff though should have noticed, they're making sure nobody's cheating'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'staff's zombies too'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I wonder what it's like in Druzil's head'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people have died at gaming tables :) They have sat so long that their hearts could not manage to pump the blood through their systems.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of crooks, did you know that in the US someone is actually making enough money in income that he's paying 102% in income taxes each year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would think'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'speaking of idiots, someone doesn't understand how a progressive tax system works'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nah, you don't have to make much money to do that... just get behind on taxes and lose your job'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tax is a percent and its less than a 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nevertheless, that's what he's paid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that nots income tax that back taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I tried reading the article on that, it was confusing,  I think he is paying over 100% of TAXABLE income, not TOTAL income.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'same thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, it's horrible, one of the many epidemics that you can't not see - like i'm having a cigarette now, called number 7 brand (like the 7 deadly sins, with a symbolic family crest on it's cover, why do i smoke?  the world is damn depressing and while debating how long i have to deal with it and myself i'm shortening that time frame, if i seen a future to live for i wouldn't have smoked)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh well thats amy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i mean AMT'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you pay a minimum tax to prevent you from not paying anything by exploiting tax loopholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people probably go through similar thinking in their habits'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'to do that he is paying less than a person who makes 75k'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the job of a real government that wasn't installed by evil would always ultimately be for the people to govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way of knowing how long that's not the way things were though, there's supposedly 7000 year old next to diamond in density stone blocks in guatemala that were cut with laser precision, so it could be a long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad it seems that anyone who strives to govern (and doesnt get assassinated) seem to be self serving and evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to wonder how it all got started though, i keep things like the bible in mind, anything really's possible to me if it can be used to lead to more understanding of a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you note that after the development of the feudal system nothing new has come, then there is no way that people will ever be allowed to govern themselves. Let me point out what Camus said in The Revel, the oppressed rises against the oppressor and overthrows him, then they proceed to replace him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book ever "a higher court" it was supposed to be a fictional book about a trial to determine the existence of god and it turned out to be religious diatribe '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so many factual errors it was painful to read and it was only 225 pages'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am going to go out on a limb and claim that there is no way that humans will ever peacefully coexist. Such notion violates their hardwired need to prove that theirs is the best genes. The quest for the alpha male (or female) is what keeps humans in bondage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i notice that while wondering about aljazeera's article on this Stasi organization's 113 kilometres, with over 5% destroyed in 1989 of files on German civilian's oppressed by them after they replaced the Nazi's - like what you're saying anaristos, the opressed replace the oppressor'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it bothers me, if people don't like to feel some way then they shouldn't make others feel that way, otherwise where's their shield against justice?  are all governments built to defend them from that ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about when human bodies are just accessories worn by semi-intelligent robots?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its like child abuse if you abuse something too long you create people that want to oppress back'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't even watch the video, but i looked up what is stasi and read the review's, it fit into my prior assumptions before ever hearing about them - that's alright to me even if it is horrible, it tells me that my mind isn't always telling me lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there will always be an oppressor that will generate a rebellion, the rebels will prevail and become the new oppressors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree that humans are not capable of peaceful co-existence.....its never happened in history and life is a competition for resources that some jut can not resist trying to "win"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'history documentaries on evil empires and people should be contrasting their ideological factors that lead to the physical actions of the masses to the dissimilarities of today, or otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise what good are historians and teachers?  they're not teaching the knowledge that makes matter happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can define an evil empire as the other empire :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never heard of an empire declaring itself evil, though they commonly declare their rivals so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'recorded history, i notice that alot of cultures possibly have great perversions of their free histories before empire dominated them, replacing their savage way's with the domesticated animals that they are today - ie they are inaccurate'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'history is written by the winners, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one good way to keep the bad guy in his new palace is to make his conquered future think he saved them isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are using words like "evil" and "bad" as absolutes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people believe the confederate's were america's good army, for instance, but alot of the reality is possibly lost of the whole of the stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, the other guys are the bad guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US condemned the Nazis, and rightly so, but they did it while stuffing their citizens in concentration camps.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'while completely wrong the japanese internment has very little in common with nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't see what's good about the thing's i talk about, except that they're not hidden, ignorance doesn't set people free here'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well that degree is huge'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just because they didn't gas the interned Japanese doesn't mean that the purpose was not the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'losing a business or home vs being tortured and murdered by millions thats pretty extremely different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the for instance was the absolute's you probably have in mind, category, those individual instances and possible altercations with reality that the skeptic might consider possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was to isolate a portion of the population based on some bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think the internment was horrible but disenfranchising a population economically is still different that genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was talking more in terms of generalities and trends that those individual shaky points fall into position under often, one being more or less right on some thing than the other, both having their bad sides, etc, but that doesn't mean that in history there wasn't a good culture out there who governed themselves and were content with living respectable lives with their people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think our gov is pretty evil (i can only imagine what we are not privvy too) but i think most people at the top of the world are pretty nasty people ....you dont get there handing out brownies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla, you are arguing about the methodology and not the purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no-one called that godwin? ucla lost the argument already'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some pieces are needed to fuck that up, and those pieces are ideologies i think, trends of thinking and repeating itself, like how confident the mighty on the world are that they will never become unmighty, they have a proven history that they reference'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i don't even know what you're talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'll use the unabsolutes as pawns in a giant game of chess is what i think, expendables, like your human body with limited thinking android's mentioned earlier (somebody else)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree....but thats what debates are for'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs people who think in a world where you done everything to erase the truth from peoples minds?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that it is ok to intern people as long as you don't gas them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but will they put pawns on the first rank?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no i am saying that the two are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think comparing the two as equals is incorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I say that it is wrong to intern people, gassing them just make it worse. So they only differ in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but once again that degree is drastic....to me its like losing a finger or dying a horrible death...both bad but not equal'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Death Spam - botting or no botting?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a difference in degree is just a difference. The underlying act is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is rather like saying that farting is the same thing as blowing up a methane plant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you are defining the act at the place that helps your argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you do after the pivotal act declares the degree, nothing else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that american general being deployed to iraq who went crazy maybe is a result of having a person with a mind in the first (or close to) rank, so most likely yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Majic. They have nothing in common. Farting is a natural act, methane plants are constructs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the act of throwing people in ovens and gassing millions changes it from just "internment"\'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla is saying that it is ok to beat someone as long as  you don't beat him to death, for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on this bbc article on south korean 500 million dollar priison warden robot's they mention developing automated discrimination of human behaviour gun turret system's, no human intervention required to kill, machines have no conscience and mind to contend with'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'u can twist it however you need too....but i fail to see where i said any of it was "ok"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just said they are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mayan Lawngnome: 'i concurr'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I apologize, you are saying that interning Japanese is not as bad as what the Nazis did, and I agree. That doesn't mean that the intent wasn't the same. So the acts only defer in degree. Both actions were meant to separate a portion of the population based on some bias. Bias cannot be justified.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree with you more there. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do agree with you that bias is unjustifiable and that the internment camps were a really shitty, stupid thing to do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we already have the equivalent of those robots they are called 'corporations" a mechanism designed to relieve the conscience and liability in name of whatever heinous acts make the most profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would agree more with what you just said two'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But with respect to the 'beating' comment -- I would say that assault is still wrong, but that murder is worse. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i would respectfully have to disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, we'll get em good... wait til there's a really heated debate going'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '4chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the beating is the act in question. My point is that both a beating the results in the person continuing to exist and a beating that terminates the person only defer in degree. It is still the same act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in one, you're dead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't change the fact that it was  a beating. It only changes the degree of the beating.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they didn't gas the japanese slightly...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want to focus on what they did or didn't do to the Japanese, that is a different topic. The act in question was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is different from genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But I would say that 'interning people with the deliberate intent to kill them' is different than 'interning people''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not just in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can have genocide without internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sort of like punching someone in the face and shooting him in the face are quite different though they are both attacks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazi camps weren't primarily about interning... they were primarily about the... "final solution"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what i think your trying but i think you have to cut off the action a point (the imprisonment) where they are similar but to me that does not define the two acts....thats just conveniently tailoring the facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about kicking him when he's down?  that's a good one'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not separating the actions that took place. You use genocide to cover a series of separate actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'put you made the point of intent and thats where i can not agree that the intent was the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the nazis were amateurs. discuss gulag instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the difference between handcuffing someone to restrain him and handcuffing someone so that you can beat him to death.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Many Jews were killed by the Nazis without ever being interned. If you equate internment with genocide, then those particular Jews can't be considered as part of the genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one was about disenfranchising an unpopular culture and the other about extermination of a race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't a difference in degree, because the handcuffing isn't the primary action or intent'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think anyone's saying internment = genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the handcuffing is a collateral act. The primary act is restraint.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think sonshi just said what i was saying in a better way'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But restraint with the intent to murder is imo different than restraint with the intent to restrain.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and genocide was a collateral act, the primary act was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, which is why the american situation and the nazi situation was different in quality, not just degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the same thing :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the quality of an entity does not  affect its identity :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the primary intent of the nazi camps was to kill them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the primary reason for the camps wasn't to lock up Jews. That was collateral. The primary intent was to kill them, and in the process drag some work out of the fittest ones.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't see how anyone could argue that they were aimed at interning the jews, and the gassing was just incidental...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again i understand what you are trying to get at anar but you have to cut off the act at a convenient point for your argument which i think is a bit disingenous'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, if you want to focus on what happened to the interned in both camps, that's a different topic. My expostulation deals with the internment itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we just wanted to intern them, but gassed a few here and there for kicks...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but the internment itself had two different intents'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, and have sex with some of the prettier females, then abort the fetuses for study'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they did that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, why were the interned? That is the question. In both camps the reason was the same. The government was biased against the group.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't put it past them...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes they did '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how they treated the interned is another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all crimes are equal, because the perp judged that the victim was ripe for the crime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one explanation of 'why' -- another explanation is that in one case, they wanted to lock a race up while at war with the country they'd originally started from (wrongly, in almost all cases), while in another case they wanted to lock them up while they figured out better ways to kill them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are not looking at it as I am. I am looking at internment in a formal way. You are grouping objects that seem similar but are not necessarily so. Internment in the name of bias is the same anywhere. My point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well if i take your reasoning i can argue that both were different because one was germany and one was the US....if you only use facts you want and determine where to stop viewing the rest you can make any argument you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But you are also not looking at it as I am. You cannot just say 'This is my argument and my reasoning and I am right and you are wrong.''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what do you mean I can't??'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your mom'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic licks Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you... your... pop!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not adding or subtracting facts. I am looking at internment. The act of sequestering one or more persons for a reason. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im with sonshi, thats what politicians do everyday lol, but what is the topic of debate? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sotura has an "i disagree" spam bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'In this case, both acts were performed for the same reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but you stated yourself that the reason for the internment was a fact to consider and i put forth that those intents were very different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'arguing about whether the interning of the japanese and jews are different in quality or only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I would disagree that both acts were performed for the same reason, because I would consider the intent of the internment to be part of the reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, no. I said that both the US and Germany interned a portion of their population because of  bias. The reason in both cases is the same,  (racial) bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'with that statement I would agree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is all I've ever said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would consider that the intent is the main reason... no sane country interns people for kicks'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems that stuff most often happens for reasons of racism'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's hardly even the same type of bias either'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I dont think it was bias it was to calm the rest of country after we were bombed .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That would be taking up the topic of whether the actors enjoyed the act. Another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'racism doesnt hurt the cause at least'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think it was a (sadly) popular means to enter the war....its hard to want to kill people that look like the people you lived next door too and knew from the neighborhood'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Excuse me, Ucla? Calm the people after they were bombed? Where the interned Japanese part of the people?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'weren't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suspicion of a people that you're mostly at war with, and hate of a people you believe are inferior are also quite different. The first may not even be considered racism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not according to the rest of the country at the time (a sad but true fact)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US was not at war with US citizens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the us has always been at war with US citizens'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Further, German nationals were allowed free rein in this country even after the US went to war in Europe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the underlying cause was racial bias not calming.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are a nation of immigrants and we always single out the newest immigrant to pick on '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'germanic peoples form a large proportion of the US...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, it also makes you look like you're doing something'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's good Majic :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'germany didnt bomb us .... we chose to enter the war and attack them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm serious. a large portion of what the government does is based in the desire to make it look like they ARE doing something. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that too majic....thats part of what i mean by calming the people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What happened, again in degree, is the same as any other persecution which history has recorded. A portion of the population is unreasonably harmed based on some fictional trait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there were tens of millions of japanese in the US, I doubt internment would even have been an option'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is one reason that more people aren't upset about the TSA, because they feel like 'oh they're keeping us safe and the government is doing their best' (I've heard quite a few people say that)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'however wrong japanese citizens were not the controlling power in the US government and we as a nation have a history of hurting one group of citizens for another group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, that could have been said about the Jews in Germany, too. So that's not a factor. Other than to say that the harmed is usually the minority.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad they dont understand that the fear is pretty irrational'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazis, on the other hand, were not interning jews because they were primarily afraid that they might be spying on them. It was primarily an extermination thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That may be true, Ucla. They were not the controlling power, but according to the US constitution that is not to be considered when rights are at stake.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i wonder if jews were the minority...they didnt just go after German jews they went after all jews and i bet that the number would outnumber the german population.....they did attack an unpopular disenfranchised group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that could be the case, but in the case of the Germans it was harder to determine who was  Jew. Not so with the Japanese.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so.... 17 million died in the Holocaust.  Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it also gathered population together in hatred of an enemy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the US citizens interned were not the enemy. They had been attacked, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought it was 6mil?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they were pawns that looked like the enemy ....thats the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope that's not a justification you are giving me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if they are the same then everyone if asked whether they would rather be in a german concentration camp or a japanese internment camp should have no preference....i seriously doubt that would be the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also an enemy that had a pretty wide reputation for sending spies disguised as refugees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, you are discussing the degree and not the act itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its what i think is the reason why us citizens of japanese ancestry were interned'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people fear what they don't understand, understanding something absolutely is a hard thing to do, but understanding it not at all can be dangerous - educated people make educated decisions, but people don't seem to be educated much on being their own government instead of those people are required to lead you, and the theory's that drive government's - if those were considered, like saying democracy is every adult member of society having a voice in that government being absent, then there's more unrest, why people invent lies of fairness just so they can walk away from them, and attempt to staple those as realities in minds of their slave's is concerning, it reminds of the devil and his lies, like puff the magic dragon'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no im pointing out that you stating the same is not the case and would be demonstrated by answering that simple question'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if knowledge is power, a wise man with a rifle is less dangerous that a stupid man and a bad teacher telling him who to shoot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government's hate that though, it's unthinkable to have a world of people who are able to be wise at their own discretion, equal to the 'elite''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'German spies ran rampant in the US. Check the FBI files. But not once did the US declare them persona non grata. They just lived with the spying as "best" they could.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Now, If both Japanese and German US citizens had been interned (oh, and Italians, too). I would have no basis for an argument, would I?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe thats because a german spy is probably white and they didnt point the finger at people who look just like themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, you do get it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what you are trying to say i once again will argue that those two things are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was my thesis to begin with.  Both the US and German internment were done because of racial bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And I think people will agree with you stated that way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been implicit in my proposition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion, i seen a video on youtube somebody posted on a chat room where some east indian's gave a monkey an ak-47, they were laughing it up at the silly monkey, and then the monkey shot that rifle into the crowd of spectator's - were those wise people with guns and targets that they wisely understand, or tools in a wiser person's game who he let's have their play before sending them off on a job?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think that theory may be true....i personally think the US just did what they thought was popular sentiment because its easy to single out japanese americans from germans'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree there. Also germans have the 'they're like us''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we're largely european. japanese, on the other hand, are the 'other''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and some of the people in power probably had german ancestry'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a non-absolute perspective on why i think like that, i think you can think, maybe more people should grant that to eachother'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these words are not my intellectual property, they're just spam'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, don't forget that German sympathy in the US was not a minor thing in the US. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some functions on my computer are written from right to left, which is very unenglish'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagreed with your premise that both acts were same and had the same intent thats where i came in'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said, I was speaking of the internment itself, why did it occur. In both cases the motivation was the same. Though, I would be a fool to even consider that they were of the same degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the issue is, that 'the motivation' and 'the reason' could mean 'what are we locking up these people for, what are we going to do with them' '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'another topic altogether.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one reason governments prefer monkey's satisfied with second hand banana's than a jungle where they're at the mercy of the trees too, if everybody seen stuff like that nobody would dare to laugh for very long after they wisened up'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe i am being too technical but i would have a problem with someone saying why "did they occur" ...to me one was to placate the salivating masses as we entered a war and another was to exterminate an entire race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly, ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you broaden the topic enough, Ucla, you can arrive at the conclusion that they had no similarities. But if you focus on the underlying reason, they. at that level, are the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are people who would argue we knew about pearl harbor and let it occur so we could enter the war'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people often assume conspiracy where there is only incompetence...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with what the US did afterward, I am afraid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the thing is, that you are narrowing the topic precisely to make it 'the same' and unwilling to accept other peoples widening or narrowing of the tupic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree but i think its intellectually dishonest to stop at the point of "people behind a fence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ape with AK-47! Monkey Business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFG0u_CJN0s disturbing it is, they're africans though, my memory was wrong - at least i'm not racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it has a lot to do with intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you say 'similar' I don't think anyone will disagree w/you there, either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's when you say 'the same', that you run into issues :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is how you get to the truth, Ucla. You use building blocks. You can argue tha,t collaterally, they were different acts. But for them to truly be so they have to have a different source. And it has been shown here that they didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'human actions that result from human thought only differ in degree, since they all result from human though!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'debate i dont think you arrive at the truth by viewing facts up to the point it stops serving your argument best....thats why i think its intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'exactly sonshi....love is the same as hate....intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that video scares me, i mean it is scary right?  on so many level's it's not even funny - but it shows some of my reasoning on why letting people learn to become their own government is the wiser decision in the long run, because once one of those monkey's becomes your master, you don't want that to happen do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It's not a matter of self-service, Ucla. It is a matter of viewing a precise topic. Internment. Not what happen at the internment. But why did the interment happen. It happened because of a biased government, in both cases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people're masters of their children, who owns what should be dealt with democratically for those who value thier lives, only world we have to live on isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i still disagree with that they both just happened because of a "biased" government'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: ''masters of their children'?  how so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to argue about the differences, that is fine. But first you have to define their points of congruence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'are children slaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, they raise their kids to become into the adults that they are, that should be what they're doing, that could be perfected over time, but not with deadly consequences for deviance that aren't deadly in themselves, that's where system's come into play, like orphanages and rehabilitation centres'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Druzil i think a more widely governed society would be better...we pretend to be capitalists but the system is rigged '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technically, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, which is where you ought to be saying 'similar in origin' or something instead of 'the same', and then you won't have people disagreeing with you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff could be democratically perfected (moving towards instead of away from perfection, they are systems, not individuals) by the more minds that contribute to them than the silence of the most'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, I disagree, Ucla :) I rather only govern myself and have no other govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if it has to be screwed up i would rather more people be taken care of then a few being amazingly wealthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are poor, is a rich man making all their decisions the most democratic choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah but if we all feel that way someone might murder you because your a threat...if everyone makes up there own rules it silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things like that turn on the mind radar's, it's questionable and probably not the best choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think its not but i think thats how the US functions right now....to me its sad but true....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all empires fail....we jumped the shark'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no, i wasn't being racist - but that is one way a person could read that, there was an actual monkey there, they call it an ape, and i originally thought it was east indian's in the video, but it was african's -> it was only demonstrating what i mean, people are quick to point fingers at stuff that they think is racism though, i notice alot of people make alot of logical fallacy's because they are afraid to freely express their minds with those judges in their minds, their peers making sure they're politically correct etc, what's correct about politicis?  their job's are like to solve problems with words and take care of their own people before another's, so i apologize if my reasoning piece was morbidly real and taken from that viewpoint instead of the one it was meant to be taken by'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you ever seen a mind lawyer?  sometimes i watch them watching me on the internet, and i wait for their input with baits that i place, and with my affirmed assumption correlated i can detail who i'm discussing with more and more, some people are more keen than others - but most of them are judgemental - that's healthy, but there should be no kind of racism at all assumed just because it -can- be assumed, there are more than one way to see alot of statements'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what is a "mind lawyer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo people who cry racism often are doing like your godwin's law, using the most vulnerable playing card drilled into the mind of people as a defamation against their opponent - it's a signal of defeat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( most people are racists :) )
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know what racism looks like, i see it in alot of places, subtle or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think rascism is still very very prevalent ....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think its rascist to talk about race freely its when people jump to conclusions with no basis that makes it a real problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking clinically, I would say that racism is natural in the sense that it might be part of hardwiring. That is not an excuse, though, because our intellect can easily override it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and i think that happens all too frequently in the US even from presidential candidates'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'xenophobia might be a hardwired instinct...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'some rascism makes sense ...like migrating to a neighborhood of like people its when people act upon it irrationally to harm others that problems start'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too, i'm on the grounds that every human being has the ability to understand whatever is to be understood if it's given to them and that's not a hardcoded material body thing like some geneticists and eugenicists think, and some racists - i discuss racism and try to figure out some of the mysteries of their understanding for my own benefit of not being faulty in my reasoning, i never joined up with a racist group or anything like that - i checked out some websites to see what kind of people inhabit them, but never found the kind of people i was lookin for'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, whatever the reason, being instinctual is no excuse. We override instinct all the time, otherwise the murder rate would be much, much, higher :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i grew up in a white community mixed with indians, i had alot of confrontations with indians but also some of my best and longest lasting friends were indians, whether or not they hated white people, some of them thought of me as an indian'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist, i just don't see the solution in any single race on earth being beyond the realm of victimization by a similar psychological group of master's of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some seem moreso than other's, but looks can be deceiving and news is a tightly guarded industry, like superbowl t-shirts'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know i can call that, reptillian shapeshifter paradigm?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, they came from outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they inhabit human body life programs and rule your world, the great tyrants of mankind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen a single nation on earth where the government doesn't fuck over their people in favour of making a few fat calf's fatter, that's what i mean, they're psychologically a race of their own, they wear all kinds of human skin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't be racist because they're members of my race too, your race, everybody's race has them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah thats just greed and i think overly greedy people have an inclination to power and politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just greed and there's the angry people at the casino, and the people not noticing the man not moving for 9 hours hogging a possible money maker'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dehumanization and greed are different things, one can be used as a leash to receive the other though'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'greed is a natural animal drive, you could argue that plants have it also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might be part of the reason why racial bias exists, though racial bias is a human construct. The actual drive is the establishment of the alpha pair.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might even argued that racial bias is also natural construct if you expand "race" to mean shared dna. So dogs hate cats because their dna differ.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but why do dogs like humans?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'That is not always true'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the expansion of the definition might not work :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I have a dog that loves my cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I realize that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there must be something less fundamental than DNA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: '(just had to pitch in my 2 cents there)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'quite acceptable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I just sqeezed out some DNA today...just sayin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's keep it clean, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen national geographic video of baby birds who just ate pretending that they didn't so they can get more food - animal drive maybe while they're just adolescents, that's where the master parents are supposed to be setting them straight isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mamma bird only has a beak for one citizen'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government like a bird metaphor is pretty cool, i wonder if lao tzu had stuff like that in mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in nature, Druzil, animals will do just about anything to prove that they are superior to others of their kind. Again, I am thinking that this is because the alpha pair must be established.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so greed is a natural drive. The problem is that the human ability to redirect input may pervert natural drives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when a dog analyses a situation, it does not dissemble, it comes to a pure conclusion so he kills his enemy to establish supremacy. Humans avoid this and in the act of avoidance perpetrate acts that are cause the same result but only indirectly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dogs don't think in such a way that they can claim that they had other intent. Humans spend an enormous amount of time pretending that they mean something else when they act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure they can, when they're stalking their duck in the reeds slowly, do they show their intent of killing that duck or keep it hidden trying to appear as a non-dog object until within striking distance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, more to the point is the reason why they are hunting the duck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the duck gets away but the dog thinks it wasn't sure that duck knew that dog was coming to kill it, it might not reveal it's aggression because it learned to be a patient hunter'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can do similar things with biscuits or if they do something that annoys you, they do it for that reason sometimes - they know better, but they're testing you - my dog has proven to be more than a mindless object on several occasions'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dog whisperer guy on national geographic is pretty good with dog's, it's amazing how he read's their psychology's like people and deals with them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I simply accept the fact that dogs can think, after that it is pretty easy to communicate with them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some dogs like punishment and pain, their earliest memories are torment, they are like some people - makes them mean and see people as the enemy, but they know what they can get away with through training - like people learn the same way'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and they're tasty!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Dirkdiggler on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I mean...um...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, same here'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was extra in that movie though...i was in the beginning bar scene....the roommate of my college gf (diane mizota) was one of the dancers'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't like punishment and pain but they go after it and do what causes it anyways, because they're traumatized just like people, they are denying that nature that you figured they couldn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i watched boogie nights at least 10 tens'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'DID SOMEBODY SAY BOOGIE NIGHTS?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever seen a dog go after a porcupine when his master said sick em, and he kept on going at it and at it and didn't learn but followed his master's words, then you have a mean master who should have learned a lesson and a dog that's showing an example of loyalty and self-denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'obviously my fav movie!  and Fear and Loathing'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my car tag says "DIRK" as well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher snorts a bunch on blow
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have a dog who's an idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah I was an extra in that movie the roommate of my gf in college is Diane Mizota and she was a dancer in that movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she was fook yu in austin powers and on G4'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'awesome!!!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i am in the opening bar scene when roller girl goes by me and my buddy are at the bar in the back corner drinking a beer'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'woot paul thomas anderson movies rule'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the master reflects alot of conflicts in the world though , are their dogs idiots too?  do you work for their purposes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty good comparison really, soldiers and dogs of war, attacking the various porcupines set up in array against them because the masters told them to, but knew what the end result would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the porcupines was just lookin for somewhere to scratch it's back though, and they did a fine job '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'porn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's just a similarity between a dog and his master and a soldier and his master, sometimes the master's aren't very good at their jobs at all, like almost all the time when not dealing with dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I've seen boogie nights with the directors commentary and then again with the cast's commentary...not to mention the 20 times I've seen it on DVD'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'with I could say I was in the movie...the part where I was hookin up the the girls '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whats the redhead chicks name?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'does makeup commericials'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'julianne moore?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'redhead milf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'julianne moore'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'in the big lebowski also'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'you should punch yourself for not knowing she is soooooo faptastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i was glad to see that chick (from weird science and big lebowski) made an apperance on Californication as some crazy sex milf...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'not talking about Julianne'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, guys, Julianne Moore leaves me cold...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'red head?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski is the best'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'heather graham?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'not heather graham'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea i WAS talkin about her now I was talkin about the weird science chick who was in King Pin (not big leboyski my bad)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lets combine our debates...boogie nights vs dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and GO!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Kelly LeBrock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love them both'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i personally find dogs more attractive'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'my westies are awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'shes not a red head though and wasint in king pin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She was hot :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ok who is the chick from the Weird science SERIES'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'duke and duchess wear rule pants'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he said a red head that in king pin and weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'kelly lebrock is right as the chick from weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod ucal'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/02/03/edmonton-oilsands-monitoring-new-system.html most people would see this and think wow, for that kind of money foresure something's being done - but they don't realize that to erect a single oil rig costs around 250 million dollar's after other fee's for location contracts, and 50 million dollars a year would be easily swallowed up by the people with a million 250 million dollar per year investments set up, and possibly be padding their pockets at the same time - if alberta's citizens cared about their water it would be a community service like the citizens in weyburn saskatchewan noticing their water is toxic and things are dead on the surface after the CO2 capture project from north dakota got installed, but the government here made sure that that wasn't the real reason that those things are dead and the water is trash'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who once was married to Stephen Segal :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of criticizms i don't see on the news much'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'simple community service was ignored in saskatchewan, the free solution '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alberta's so 50 million dollars better, you bet their water is valuable compared to the demand for export on their tarsands'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ass, 50 million a year is nothing to them, it's like coca cola gathering donations to save polar bears in the arctic, 2 million bucks over 5 years, 5 rigs = 2.2 billion dollars scheduled to happen within that time'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2 million dollar lawyer versus 2.2 billion dollar judge, yep, community service loses again'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'canada = america's hat. make sure you impress everyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legend of heru behutet and the winged disk is my hat of canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check it out, you can almost put the egyptian landmarks onto american continent and have yourself a new look at these mysterious egyptian translators'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maybe you guys can cook up some magic touque eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's a pretty mean dude, kind of fits the personality profile of the dudes who run american continental nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although he'd make them all look like wimps cause they're worshippin him in the story'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'use the beer money i gave you, you HOSERS!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you are newbie do you get a free SH.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just watched the news tonight and they say that the government declares that some living people are deceased (this is in canada), and they only repented of their slow computer systems to fix the error when some light was shone on their stupidity'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was prettty terrible watching these living people discussing how the government says they're dead, saying they called up the insurance company to claim their death benefits at which point the government piped up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently it's real stuff, seen it right there on the b.c global news i think it was, or maybe it was ctv'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the comedian's mentioning chinese new year speech of losing 5 pounds and learning to play the harmonica, it was one demented night on the news, unfortunately i lack any mind altering substances to make it seem less fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll rent you an "off" button for your tv for 1 usd/day'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'll do it for 1 aud/day - that's a better deal!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they pay people in canadian prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can buy themselves some chocolate bar's at the end of each month'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every 2 months rent a hooker, what's wrong with that'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that california prison that gets paid 250,000 dollars per inmate per year is pretty insane, sex offenders i think go there, but that's what, 24 people's welfare cheques spent on rehabilitation of a single sex offender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's strange, i watched a documentary on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its all business....the new model is that they want to privatize all the prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'too late...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are some supreme court cases involving states that send prisoners to a private prison out of state.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 2500 sex offenders = 250,000 * 2500 625 million dollars a year'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's wrong isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, that's it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how happy of a staff they got '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have some sample prisoners on stage who receive the neccessary public affairs investigation materials that somebody's doing their job and throw the rest in the cellar possibly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you want to get depressed look up the stats on the "war on drugs" ... one the dumbest things America has ever spent money on...no gains and all our infrastructure and education in the crapper'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps thats what they mean when they refer to the "sex industry" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's it, i wouldn't put it beyond them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A LOT of chest-beating going on at the moment over in the shithole that is the middle east'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think it will be used to throw a lot of issues to the back of the room'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we had a south carolina judge go to prison for taking bribes to give stricter sentences and have more convictions....the private prisons in his state were paying him off'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that oil producing reigon ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oil isn't 'produced', it is simply found.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is a big part of the problem, esp. Saudi'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A whole race of people getting rich off the blood of others based solely on where they pitched their tents'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: ''eh tomato semantics '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a production to obtain it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what I have always found amusing is that the US decries the way the Arabs are manipulating the price of oil, but as soon as it goes up, the people in TX raise the price accordingly. None of that "will show them, we'll keep our price reasonable" crap.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada opens up a gold mine in labrador reservation land and the price of gold drops along with the canadian dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good, though I don't see why the CD would drop unless they are floating it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, have you ever introspectively examined your bias against people unlike yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people who don't want kids are known as leeches of society in some places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'not these places'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right, I'm a leech on society.  Because I don't claim breeder benefits, I pay into Social Security like every other person who works.  I'm not on welfare.  I'm paying off my own loans.  Explain to me how I'm a leech again, I think I missed something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is 2012 western world, not some ass-backwards tribal third world shit hole, and/or medieval village.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Well, you borrowed money from the government right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'People on welfare are also borrowing money fro the government.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which I am PAYING. BACK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they are not borrowing a damn thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If someone on welfare gets a job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought you got it from the bank, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat? Welfare is a gift, not a loan...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'and pays taxes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'These welfare whores who never work a damn day, how will they pay any of that back?  They won't.  That's why it's called a handout.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are paying it back right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the places where they desperately need kids aren't the poor places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taxes are payments for services. Not payments on loans.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the people who don't have kids are an extra burden on the country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Welfare is a service.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'In the event you don't have money, we will give it to you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please explain how childfree people burden society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they grow old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kids are a burden. Single non-parent people are the single most productive people on earth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah?  We pay into social security our whole lives too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and star is pathetic and probably living in his moms basement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I work on drilling rigs in the oilfield.  What do you do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the country quit importing thing's at the rate they could fill up production facilities with their own unemployed citizen's, providing training etc to get them to produce and earn their money that can purchase what they build, then there's some basis for saying you're unemployed cause you're lazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, I'd love to debate more, but when people say stuff like "welfare whores" I just assume they're fat bald jerks like Limbaugh and laugh at them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they wouldnt offer welfare if they didnt want to. besides in my state it goes to the mexicans '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids are why Social Security is going to run out before I retire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise there's one of the main problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i work at mcdonalds and feed fat americans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but countries at half replacement won't be able to support these leeches when they grow old. You savings won't be worth very much because there won't be people making stuff. Unless they move somewhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I always laugh when people say welfare is so awesome....if its so great why dont we all volunteer...and dont give me some nonsense about ethics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sometimes they dont have legs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US Dept of the Interior pays states for their children :) So low birthrate means less income :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are people legitimately on welfare: recently laid off, disabled people, victims of some of the more damaging crimes. Then there a the lazy shits who should be chained up building roads.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'What state do you live in, Shadowsdie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ARIZONA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling is missing her calling. Anne Coulter is getting old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Shadow, quick question, who looks after babby when you are working or at school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people would probably be safer if all government workers had to volunteer and still work at a real job during the day or night, and the police force was composed of locals, and the taxes were spent on making those employment opportunities happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Arizona.. Heh, I'm from California. You must be one of those racists that want them all sent "back over the fence".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People should be self-sufficient before having kids. No exceptions for planned pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you study economics you will know that its an accepted fact that that we need some employment it will never be zero.....so once again if some people have to do it and it sucks why villify them instead of the people who rape our economy from the top....its just a deiversion that fools fall for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker is agreeing with that Vakieh person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wanna know who is taking all your money star? rapists murderers etc in prison and jail sucking our tax money away.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what happens if your brother wants to go out and have a life instead of picking up the slack and providing free babysitting service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is what I mean by 'sponging off the family''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah i just learned that ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats the point. if hes not taking care of her hes sleeping'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home some people hire a maid to look after the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus its not free i give him a place to stay  so he doesnt end up in jail'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you let some would be criminal take care of your kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'same issue with illegal immigration nobody wants those jobs and the people that hire illegals are the same rich folk feeding the masses red meat that we need immigration reform to save their jobs.  Its all a diversion to keep us beating on each other thinking we will one day be them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'anyone COULD be a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a tax deduction for the maid levy too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'remember in america... anything is possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'a tax deduction for a maid levy? what are you talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know why he WOULD be a criminal. because he CAN be.. i didnt say he ever was.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, there's a tax (levy) on each maid you hire'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'now my daughter father most definitely is a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should just take the kid away from her, before she does something regretful enough to ruin its life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'wow never heard of that were is home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, each foreign maid, but no one in their right mind would hire a local unles you're swimming in cash'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you hatched a loaf with a criminal?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'cant we spend more time attacking the fact that one person who did no more work than anyone else can have a billion dollars...rather than attacking small leeches'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'a class one felon actually running around on the streets while people stealing stuff take his place in prison because he SNITCHES... great public safety?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, no wonder he has money.  I bet he's slinging meth, isn't he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tbh with you, I don't think anyone who believes McD's food is ok should be trusted with the care of another human being...that's just me talking though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Han you saw that. I meant that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves how the "facts" are flying around :>
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'illegality is only one piece of legislation away....remember what is "illegal" is man made'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i hatched a loaf with a dr in a hospital i just used the criminal in the process of getting pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'can we stop using this loaf metaphor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it sounds awkward'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: '17, dirt poor, lives alone, husband a criminal, works at maccas, entrusts child with relatives many hours of the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the more developed economies, the scandinavian countries, etc, they also throw tens of thousands in cash, credits and subsidies for each kid... because kids profit the economy, really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not having them is a drain. At least on properly run countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never said my brother had money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'cause he doesnt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so obviously hes not SLINGING meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'use "bun in the oven" instead...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: '...bun on the table'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that one sucks too anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bun in the oven no longer applies.  That loaf was baked already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i never said i was married to her father either'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WAIT - you leave your child with a methhead???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my soon to be husband is actually a military man'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no vak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow every one assumes in the debate channel you know what they say about assuming'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'they make an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'military man == long absenses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Long absences and FREE MONEY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'good you dont deserve a kid with your views. enough said'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'free money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I agree frankly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'money will make everything better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'putting his life on the line is not free thank you. ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I aliased goss to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I definitely would not be a good parent.  As soon as the little shit loaf screamed too much I would probably punt it out the window.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos wonders what everyone here's been smoking...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again i never said he was STILL in the army'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or flush it down the toilet with the rest of the shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'If these kids had half a brain they'd be dangerous...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing serious is ever said on debate channel.  Honestly, we should start up an online petition to have it renamed to the Troll channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'our money is based on free money....ask a banker...Motto: Bring it in at 3%, lend it at 6% and golf course by 7....lending your own money back to you is not work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can tell you wouldnt be a good parent star. your fat and still live with your mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'military minded man, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i meant to say our country is based on free mony'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can be dangerous. but i have a daughter and im not allowed to be.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'easy, boys and girls, we debate ideas here, we attack each other on gossip and imm :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't have to be bitter because you're sterile... there are solutions being worked out to things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well we were told by rumour to bring it here so whatever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl, I am not fat and I don't live with my mom, but keep trying :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'smiles at sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were told by same to stop the personal attacks, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok let's see how many people can say an absolutely unreal statement and how stubborn they are that what they are saying is based on truth and not just tv news and hearsay'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'obviously nobody here believes that you can take care of your child since  you can't afford yourself.you are event not adult,legally'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even though it is debate, where cursing and attacking *ideas* is ok, personal attacks are a no mudwide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not by an im but ive been being attacked this WHOLE time and only I MYSELF have to stop the personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take semicloning, for instance...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry though, I got my tubes tied last December, I won't be foisting any emotionally damaged children on the world :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is an Imm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whatever i guess i should be used to it. thats how life is anyways'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still trying to get a handle on the actual premise being debated :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's self-inflicted.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have been attacking your ideas - not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never said to stop personal attacks he said to take it to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calling Starling fat and a basement neckbeard is not attacking Starlings ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess there's a good case to be made that some people aren't suited to have kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, feel free to think that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'he said stop personal attacks and take the rest to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'She*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been true, Sonshi. The planet would not survive otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'll try to have more one day to make up for that terrible loss to society!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you see anaristos starling decided that im a poor parent because im 17 and have a daughter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'but I'm tired of battling facts with people who have none...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SHE*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother had me when she was 17...I appreciate the life and all, but it was not a smart decision on her part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is a well-enough-adjusted babe that she's not too worried about sounding mannish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vakieh, it isn't income that makes a parent bad or good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its text not the way she sounds how am i supposed to know gender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'VAK IS CORRECT.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my mother is a wonderful poor woman that i wouldnt change for the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother is just now with her second marriage, second set of kids, with a uni degree and a steady, solid income - what she *should* have done in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if they had been paying attention, the knife in your back would have stopped at job and school. they're stuck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that said, there are more bad parents among the population of low-income parents.  Just like there are more fat, lazy people among regular fastfoodies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but didnt but look how well off she is now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '17 is TOO YOUNG to be responsible for raising kids, period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and probably happy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that Hans is a FAT lie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos hrmphs for no apparent reason.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you hate your mom?vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there are no absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'My mother had me at 17. I am the second.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and kids around the wourld are 12 and having children and just because we are in america its wrong?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I appreciate the hard work she put in, but I wish she had waited'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i think not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I had it a LOT harder due to the shitty start'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'maybe you guys, and your incapability to imaging having children, should leave it at that. YOU being incapable does NOT mean others would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'how does one calculate that there are more bad parents in the low income bracket?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Thankfully I was smart enough to pull myself out of public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'whats wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its HARDER yes but if life was always easy i wouldnt have been smart enough to get a job before my 40 year old father decided to abandon me for the second time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's not just the age though but a whole host of factors, including the father being a criminal, the mother having both a job and school, the babby being left in the care of relatives all day... in other circumstances having a baby at 17 might be perfectly fine, but here, we're not saying it is necessarily a wrong thing to have done but that there may have been a better way to spend your remaining teenage years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Public school is fine. Public school when your mother can't afford books is not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school ....nothing wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your education is your own responsibility anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you calculate it by believing CPS when they say they protect kids and in the meanwhile, CPS are the very people beating raping and auctioning the kids they take....off in vegas....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again gwyn is right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '? I didnt need to buy books in public school...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually for the first few years of your life you have no choice in education'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'hay I've seen 14 year old with babys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's true. But once out of HS, your education is your problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school and then college and then got a law degree from a top 20 law school and a masters ....all public schools until law school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter was reading and doing math in the fourth grade level...at 5! you think loq income has more to do with raising children than being there for them and allowing them to show you what they are capable of....wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except if your smart like me tell them screw you and do it yourself. the right way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, if you're smart you use the pill or get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or, you know, just don't fuck around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i plan and helping my daughter do the same so if she ever gets emotionally attacked like such she can defend herself better. or maybe even do better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you go use "the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and tell me how your body ends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a teen thing.  They are pathologically incapable of making good decisions in the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't forget the the IUD is also an option :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i had a friend have an abortion and then wanted to commit suicide for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling is upset at not having kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I did for a while, and it didn't end up knocked up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly gwyn!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did studies on this back around the turn of the century or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'one of my main points'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which century?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yes, I am so upset that I didn't shit a loaf that I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh I'm here bro an her dads the reason I went to jail a h '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and Hanslanda obviously doesnt have many friends or know people who love their children....thats sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing is just odd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and the iud can misshapen your uterus so if you plan on children in the future you become sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the y2k omigodweregonnadie! century'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unable to hold a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'took the bun out of the oven, Starling. Pay attention to our metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Riddle me this - if you had the choice to put your kid "on hold" for 10 years - would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You have all these grim ideas, why not just wear a god dam condom?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I completely regret not having to change shit-filled diapers or get woken up at all hours of the morning.  I am kicking myself for the $250,000 dollars per brat I will be able to spend on myself instead.  WOE IS ME, what have I done?  What. have. I. done???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i taught rich kids who were just as uneducated as my low income ones. you always knew who had parental support at home. its not income based in the least. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i thank everyone who is making sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'or not go around having sex all willy-nilly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow you really are a heartless person'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'By all means go have sex, it's a wonderful thing. Just wear a god dam condom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with eureka'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i just thought you had a stick up your butt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, having kids are not for everyone, however, I can't understand your lack of respect for the process since it led to you being here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would like an answer to that q so I can decide whether to write you off or not - please - if you could put your kid on hold for 10 years, would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or you could give birth to a black/blue, or blonde/blue child, and have it taken at the hospital before you even get to hold it, and get railroaded out of your rights....all for the sake of a greenback dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'being childless is a great ideology to have, but attacking others for wanting children is going overboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually the sex was not good and condoms arent 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they found that responsible teens are no less likely to insist on condoms or take pills or otherwise make the good decisions they will claim they'd choose prior to getting into the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Condoms are more effective than no condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree, not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Condoms are dam near effective and you need to find a better guy then. :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, that came out wrong.  No more likely than the bad-decision-making teens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did find a better guy you ppl know him as ironclad. i know him as the love of my life who has always been there we just didnt figure it out until recently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wierd thing occured: Me and my gf had sex for the first time like a month ago and guess what.. SHE DIDN'T END UP PREGNENT! Woah, must of got lucky that the condom worked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, that's interesting, Starling. Though one could infer many things from "childfree". For instance, dumping the neonate into the garbage dump would render you childfree but not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Anaristos, you are wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Shadowsdie, did you meet him on this mud?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A childfree would never shit the loaf in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No actually shes right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no ive known him since i was 3'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am point out that "child free"  is not such a great label.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is there to be no answer? Is that question hitting too hard? Would you rather have had a kid at 27 than 17???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my wife and I are trying to have a baby ...been trying for two months...no protection and no baby.....you spend most of your life trying not to get pregnant and then when you want to its not as simple as you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'only the convenient questions are being answered today'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt know when i want a child all i know is i love the one i have and have no problem with having her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a related study about nonspecific-agegroup good-decision-making people was made, umm, last year that showed that even though most people would claim they'd do the right thing, when it came time to do the right thing they would instead do the safer or more popular thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree simply means you don't want kids, no way, no how, and that you will do anything to prevent having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it's like that simpsons episode where they say "The children are our future, unless we stop them now" or something like that...  gotta understand children are a necessity and if you choose to be "childfree" thats great, I don't plan to have children either, but I don't think other people are idiots for wanting children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you really haven't thought reality through at all, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'infact we are trying to have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'including dumping the error into the garbage dump.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so....if any one of you people saw an event, like a kid bailing over a bench onto cement, and their parent was not nearby. would you help the child? or walk away and bitch about how well people care for them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i would have never waited that long to have kids vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ugh, shit another loaf for ME to pay for?!?!?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and like ucla said its not as easy when you want it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'in which case maybe YOUR mothers should have used condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '2 kids. On a McD's wage, where you have no money to buy a salad instead of the crap they have on offer???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i never said anything star you wouldve never known about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'It makes me want to go have kids with my gf and get welfare just to mess with you guys. xD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'im also a socialist so i dont care about the "taxpayers paying for children" stuff you've been spewing hate against'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'for you to pay for lol......'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are making the responsible adult in me so fucking angry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think all this child planning just warps the natural order of things. The ecosystem takes care of itself, it doesn't need humans to "fine tune" it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, no, in that case you are a breeder and a murderer.  That person is NOT childfree AT ALL.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'like i said again....i am not on any government program but public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are 17 and trying to have another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you still go to school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'without freedom.. we wouldnt have public schools..... or mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why not? because im irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree about the charges, Starling. Still, the person would be free of children, hence child free.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'all this mention of mcdonalds makes me wanna go out to grab some mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Star will be happy to know that what once was less than a penny per dollar for the well being of low income families and handicapped people....have become a tenth of that, and the rest is going into GOP pockets, which poison your air and your water as well as ours....but '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know me too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I never said that, nice try though. Why are you trying to have a 2nd child when you barely make ends meet with 1 child?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of us people, Gwyn?  Fully threequarters of the world will say with decided vehemence that they'd help that kid, but if they ever got into that situation and had to decide to help or not they would not help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well its more like we are gonna wait but if it happens it happens and so far it hasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of that is just the "it's someone else's problem" indifference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But that's not what 'childfree' means, even if that person is 'free of children'.  They are not childfree, because they would have bred.  Anyone who breeds, regardless of what happens after breeding is, by definition, not childfree.  I suggest you look it up on google, since you clearly don't understand the meaning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would bet i pay a lot more taxes than starling ..... should i whine because your not paying the same amount? its relative.  Children use resources and so do people with no children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the poor are probably better prepared to deal with whats happening and might just be YOUR saviors when your stockmarket hits the fan for real and you have no camping gear to survive with'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Hans I think gender is important in this study, the males-helping-strange-children bias is an entirely new debate topic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are the reason people hate teen mothers. You are the reason people yell out "Wear a fucking condom you scag" to young parents pushing prams. Your attempts at another child are selfish acts which will haunt your first and any subsequent child for the Rest. Of. Their. Lives. Stop now, if you love your child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, gender isn't important.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect, breeding children is the natural way. Clinically speaking, that is why we are alive, to perpetuate the (human) race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why not just have 20 kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mention, when your little toddler niece or nephew, wanders out the door while their parents are sleeping, 9 times out of 10 it will be a POOR person that rescues them out of the snow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gwynyfar, I wouldn't care if it was less than a penny a dollar.  I would resent that penny, because that's multiple hundreds I lose to poor-ass loaf shitters.  I could buy a lot of stuff with that money, but I can't because irresponsible folks just have to fuck without protection and dump the results on society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow okay so that was just a test to see how many would turn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Excuse me if I take offense at that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Did I turn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'gwyn that's only because that tends to happen more often in poor neighbourhoods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Praetor, it is because people used to have 20 kids that  we are here today. The reason we don't have that many today is because attrition is down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vekih you missed the important parts of this debate hon.,...Shadowsdie is getting an education and tkaes care of her child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt describe it as turning so much as good intentioned advice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'this protection/condom thing is ridiculous...tons of children created even with protection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, I can use some of my other terms'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you hear her McD's talk? She can't afford a fucking $2 salad, why could she afford another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'lets hear it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah ironclads mom was using a condom and was on the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that's why I rescued a baby in the snow at 2 am in a rich suburb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Zane, but you have to admit the number is lower than without :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love the assumption that people with children use more resources...again its all relative. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Crotch dropping, twatwaffle, fucktrophy, the list goes on :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'i think starling is not tolerant as uncla,because he has to pay back a big loan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm just suggesting that if you cannot afford like with one child, perhaps you should wait before having a second child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'afford life*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i was just testing '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My loans are not THAT big, but nonetheless I am paying them, I'm not going to dump it on somebody else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i came out of law school owing 200k'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'mirely a test on my own part in my mad little world'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a big population issue before the dirty 30's wasn't it?  that and poverty, then after ww2 they had big baby boom again, i wonder if they're gonna repeat that same thing or not - it just seems likely based on what i read/heard on tv and the internet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that is inside my head'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I worked my way through school so I owe zip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh shit, I go to school and the government gives me FAFSA and I don't have to pay that back. Am I a leach now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'same here anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People with kids DO use more resources.  More electricity, more fuel shuttling the brats around, diapers in the landfill, more food, more water... need I go on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'notice Praetor how many people even caught on to that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter ate better, had all the functional clothing she needs, from swimsuits that fit right and comfortably, to winter gear that's really warm, was way better off without CPS'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'people with kids also create more resources too.... e.g., the kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i said about morality, doesn't take much morality to cause those problems in the past, .. and going into the future - but i know of some good people who raised responsible adults and weren't rich, they're often elderly now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just think that most of the hate that is spewed about people is a diversion from the things that truly hurt society....the people in control cheat us of billions and we are brainwashed to worry about the couple million lost on trivial stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'd just like to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'think about the kids who get taken by cps because certain people dump babys off or are bad parents and they end up in group homes like my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if you are interested in going after people who are NOT good for children, I recommend reading Kidjacked.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well in stars eyes YES YOURE A LEECH not in mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I go to college and the government gives me 600 a month because I make less than a certain magical number. Does this make me a leach for utilizing the services available to me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no they dont....go to a rich neighborhood and go to a poor neighborhood and really look at resource consumption ....what do you think rich people do with that money? they spend to access resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one is forcing you not to return some of the money :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'cps stopped taking abused kids in some states, because healthy happy children bring a highrer buck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i couldnt even APPLY to FAFSA because my father RAN from the government LEECHING off tax payers so he wouldnt have to pay childsupport'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'He wasnt unhappy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The idea there, Praetor, is that it's better to spend that money sending you to school, in the hopes that you make something of yourself and pay taxes later, than to spend that money on your welfare/drug treatments/incarcetation/etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But I've gotten like 3600 from the government for my 2 years in college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And I'm not expected to pay that back.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'People like starling just decided his mother was unfit.... SURE SHES A LITTLE SLOW but not unfit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But isn't that what welfare is?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, welfare isn't that at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give you that money in hopes you make somethign of yourself and pay taxes later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'what it is is nothing compared to what it was before Bush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you sure you didn't mean FISA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, FAFSA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Praetor.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BUT IT GOES back to taxpayers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who also pay welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Welfare just keeps them from starving to death, they don't go on to better themselves, they just keep loaf shitting and sponging.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'yes praetor that is the goal of it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its FAFSA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'used to be you could get a leg up, wasn't costing taxpayers half as much as a war where the people fighting it are getting fed about as well as welfare families do right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'childfree - What I earn is mine. What my parents gave me is also mine. No way in hell I'll give anything to the next generation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Just because Welfare is shown in a different light, it is the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'FAFSA is the financial aid thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There should be time limits for all non-disability welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling that last comment prooves to me that you dont understand welfare or economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give me JUST enough to survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the welfare system here is that they continue to give you money so long as you prove that you are attempting to find work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, the biggest walfare check goes to the Armed Forces. What they spend makes welfare a penny ante game.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Think about how much taxpayers money you use just arguing online?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'no attempt to find employment = no welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anaristos is right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Actually in Cailfornia it is 6 months.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you get 200'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there is limits in place vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How am I using taxpayer money arguing online?  Taxpayers aren't paying for this internet connection, gas and oil customers are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you work 80 hours a month, or 20 hours a week.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'california and texas made over 4 billion in 2007, kidnapping babies for resale'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'in pa you get 5 years total....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'tell me again where your taxes are going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did New York make planning 9/11?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Source, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of thinkin about tax payer money talking online, think about the drop in the bucket of your own nation's resources exploited by greedy people to cost you money at a multitude of the cost they provide your resources to other governments of rich men like them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Bush get for letting the terrorists win?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Praetor.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'welfare is a necessary evil ...its a well discussed economic issue people are brainwashed about our ability to have 100% employment despite the fact its never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the tax from EVERY DOLLAR of that oil and gas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Obama get for faking Osama's death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '5 years of support/working for cps/working for family rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'FEDEAL TAX MIND YOU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'dead senator...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is all just a nothing compared to how much is sent elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the internet relies on technologies developed through generations of public (and private) spending. Like most things.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Shadowsdie, that funds environmental concerns and other services, supposedly.  The taxes don't pay for this internet connection.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'initial installation and procuration is the most effort, the rest is greasing that in as many ways as possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly you just said SUPPOSEDLY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre defending something you are not even SURE of'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money the customers spend on oil and gas do, since that money funds the energy company, which funds the drilling company, which funds the oilfield services company.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar, how did Cali & Texas make over 4 billion "kidnapping babies for resale"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats what they tell you is it not? so you have how much of an education?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'the fact that we have internet is based on the work of tons of people who we did not pay.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's not the same as 'tax dollars', though I wouldn't expect a highschool dropout to know the difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was tought not to believe something i cannot see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Then you cannot believe in air.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'aw shit, stuff's getting personal up in here!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'didnt al gore create the internet!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'lol sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whos to say i dont belive in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and whos to say i do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet mathematics was invented by somebody interested in abstract thought and solving problem's, not by a rich man and his money - computers are machines that mainly use math'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you were taught to not believe in what you can't see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And clearly, not taught to question what you were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we should talk taxes starling.....i have a feeling you lose that conversation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money just results in lazy abstract thinkers finding more and more abstract ways to make itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and did i ever tell you i believe in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Therefore air does not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, math was very definitely thought up by a filthy rich person in ancient times.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you told me you believe in everything the government tells you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'crickets....crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'debate The government is incapable of lying.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please find that quote'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'caesar's money and moses money (and before moses in the old testament) was thought up by rich people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so if an infection comes and they tell you its only safe under water are you gonna jump in and hold your breath?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after they learned how to count, sometime before their first paso's were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all scientific and religious disciplines arose from filthy rich people growing bored enough to start worrying about less-important things in their lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i wasnt taught not to question what i was taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because i was also taught its okay to sleep around. and i didnt do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'double negative hurts my eyes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and im not saying my parents taught me because i learn from all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do yourself a favor and pay no mind to these nitwits'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Best advice you've gotten all night, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm hoping they learn something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think science comes from rich people with time to kill....religion in my opinion came from ancient empires that needed to scare the crap out of the people they conquered hundreds of miles away'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just like ive learned that i love argue for the meer fact that its better than learning in school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You didn't sleep around?  I think the little screamer in the crib is proof against that. ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sleeping around strengthens the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'first off i dont have a crib.. its called a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar thanks god Starling can't have children.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'religion = old politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'omg she called its something other than a loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'second off i slept with one person. thats not sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why can't Starling have chldren?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you dont need to sleep around to get pregnant...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it said so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'because evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'she said she had her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'IT SAID IT GOT FIXED'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh I didn't know that was something to "celebrate" on a mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'it? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'the republicans wont allow it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'marriage is flawed and has no relevance to anything so long as homosexuals are not allowed to partake in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I got sterilized back in December.  No reason to risk any accidents and having to deal with getting an abortion, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im not meaning caps'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'and i can introduce her to someone who has gotten pregnant after having her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if thinks babies are 'it's' than it is too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'like i said evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh, that is a logical argument there, Gwynyfar.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could save on the op and not sleep with people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you said "ACCIDENTS"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling you know you cant get someone pregnant by masturbating alone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think of how money is named it can seem strange too, cents = scents, dollar's = doll ours, or dole ours grain supply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dole&sa=U&ei=DhguT7reNc_JiQKxrYDRCg&ved=0CC8QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNEquzTnH23CT3hMHr4FTOUaLP9qIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_supply_to_the_city_of_Rome , hundred = hun dread ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnic_Empire , thousand = thou sand , metaphor maybe, grain of sand in an hourglass, spiritual place called egypt in gospel - bucks = bronco or bull, riding them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it really is except for my syntax'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so and accident must mean you like to have sex with many people? this is a question honest not an attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you meant to have a baby not accident?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure it seems retarded, but smelling the bucks and dollar's with scents, maybe it's not all accidental'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I mean an accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar you do not agree with me, therefor you are now a shemale.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plural or not you still inferred it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's easier to have a happy ending if you're given a little bit of privacy with your little cup and a few videos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'whats a shemale?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and that didnt answer my question'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar finishes her steak sandwich....
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to the dictionary a shemale is a male with boobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares if I've slept around?  I sure as hell didn't shit any loaves, because I was smart enough to guard against that contingency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the lamesman terms anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'like bob from fight club?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you were getting on my case just now for sleep around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or evolution selected against you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre a hypocrit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong at all with sleeping around if you're smart about it.  Everything wrong with it if you aren't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a shemale is either a biologically male entity gets a boob job or a biologically female entity has her vagina sewn up and a penis attached.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who named it understood what they had in mind while naming it, should be alright to consider the same - lots is built on top of their schemes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'sleeping around can lead to spreading diseases...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the problem with being on earth Starling, is that you can only control your own destiny, and most times, people with a controlling others drama, have had no choice in their own lives for soem reason, and are usually off base'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except tying tubs still spreads diseases'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not the sleeping around that is the problem, dearie.  It's the sleeping around without protection, which is what you did, which is why you now have a loaf to parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus i have a younger cousin whos father got her tubs tied BEFORE she was born'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe just anti-life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn, that girl is lucky.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so they have a 30 year old a 27 year old and an 8 year old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'fathers dont get tubes tied..  probably why that one fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'hahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she had one lover. get your story straight Starling...you remind me more of a say no to crack sign than anything about responsible sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Starling, what if you want to have children some day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'no, men just get their tube cut :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they get there the tubes to there testicles CUT actually'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '... so yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'love doctors won't operate on the unborn anyways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Er, 30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31 in May :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they do too Hans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You might change your mind, then what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and an unborn baby will grab a doctors fingerwith full grip'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'haven't seen this channel this active in ages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not going to change your mind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'OMG ITS CHARLEY SHEEN RUUUUUUN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do you think you're going to change mine?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'starling is clever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'adopt?  plenty of kids out there who can use a family'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I do not think I will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so is satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doctors do not perform sex-related operations on children too young to have a sense of sexual identity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yes they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I can say is that I've considered the question of kids many times, over many years and age ranges.  The decision is always the same - HELL FUCKING NO.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unfortunately most of the kids that end up in adoption, were illegally taken from their femilies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'in fact they do all the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'in certain countries they dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, more people regret having kids than regret not having them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just google 'I hate being a mom' or 'I wish I never had kids', and enjoy the schadenfreude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you said Cali & Texas make over 4 billion off kidnapping children for resale. Can you please elaborate on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'How many people go to the internet to /praise/ though?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you google kidjacked, or Nancy Schaefer on Alex Jones'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She can't elaborate on shit, that extreme of an accusation requires a source, and she has not provided one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'most of the kids were illegally taken?  you got a reference for that? i dont buy it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I mean, google how many people hate being /anything/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar goes afk to tend to the dogs
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I have to go look at some nutjobs? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe in those states, but not BY the state'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't do it, it's a trap!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it's alot bigger than that Modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can you explain it on here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm guessing CPS took your neglected kids away and you're pissed off that you can no longer collect benefits on them?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the dead senator who did investigations, the dead children, the parents who lost everything for no reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but 'they're watching'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alterior meanings of the syllables of stock market too are interesting to me, stalk = soup base or plant part, mark et there's some extra terrestrial or alien (foreigner concordance), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khet_%28game%29 game's played around it following naming of egyptian figure khet syllable, mare = horse, mar = disfigure, mark it = teachers job on your quiz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic Stoicism (Greek N#OON9N:N9ON<OO) is a school of Hellenistic philosophy founded in Athens by Zeno of Citium in the early 3rd century BC. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'starling? your statements show that you are not even readin what anyone says, and you go off half cocked alot....why dont you try paying attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves Seneca :)
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do you really think the government could keep such a thing under wraps and ger away with it?  Please, we couldn't even keep the Russians out of the atomic bomb project.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'GUBment took my BAby!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Modi you've said too much "they're" going to kill you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Soviets, not the Russians :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea , probably'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't even keep the secret alien city on the outskirts of Colorado Springs a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha gubment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nor could they keep the 9/11 self destruction a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or the fake killing of Osama'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or any religion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they won't bite, Praetor :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Always worth a shot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you are a sad bunch of people when it comes down to it. which is probably why you have so much fiction to use as a reason to attack people with. really sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar plays the world's smallest violin.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos sobs in misery.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we laugh in the face of your bumbling amateurism.  Hah. Hah, hah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oo. music, gogo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'To be quite honest, we are all here on a saturday night playing a text game. We are all sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I had a ball last night :) no sense in overdoing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its sex night! go procreate!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could be at some meat market getting wasted :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i blame it on mother nature for melting all the beautiful snow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's only sad if you didn't choose it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im just killing time until ironclad gets home from work '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I blame it on your car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you cant affored it, get gubment money!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I want a new cellphone, think the government will give me a bailout or welfare for that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is there a bslap social?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she wouldn't have had to come up with new sources of drinking water if we didn't have so many kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'for real, do it! not kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, where does he 'work' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'why? u want to b slapped?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Drakoth slaps Gwynyfar.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I admit you guys are hilarious tonight :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'no I want you kids to wake up and see life on lifes terms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'did you know that in jersey welfare gives you a cellphone withh 200 minutes on it for free every month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait.. If I have a kid they will give me money and I can use that money for a new cell phone! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a program that will give poor people free cellphones, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, it is kinda obvious at this point why everyone comes on here to kill mobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister came back from jersey with one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'to spy on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if you want texting its a mere 15 dollars a month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Minutes? I want an iPhone 4S'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'its not just jersey shadowsdie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'But Praetor, more likely, if the child is blue eyed, it will be taken off your breast in the birthing room and you may or may not see it again'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its New Jersey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pennsylvannia has a cell phone program too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't know New Jersey was still around...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'many states have the program'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its part of the war on drugs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Off my breast? :S Do guys breastfeed where you live? Where exactly do you live, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Praetor  they give you a cheapy phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think Gwyn makes for a much better Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'hopefully it floats away with california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I breast feed all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually Anaristos i lived in NJ 8 years its WAY better than AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is AZ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'isn't that on Showtime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ana, do you make sure the kids get enough first?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait... I am blonde hair blue eyed and my mom makes like 250k a year.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'a useless desert?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'yeah the west coastish states are a mess'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Do you think I was kidnapped at birth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Hanslanda. It's all for me. MWAHAHA!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'been to jersey once. didn't like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'was she a single/low income parent?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'My daughter is blonde hair blue eyed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see how the war on drugs could be contributarily solved through my mind, and it doesn't involve use of excessive force and twists of money - it would probably cost less - but i think in processes and not ends, i see some likely ends that makes me concerned over problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'praetor, no but i do think you were dropped on your head one too many times after birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, my mom is wealthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the way my family thinks they probably bought me from Texas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see what I mean?  Gwyn's not as spammy as Druzil is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Really, Drakoth? Think the government will give me SSI for being disabled?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like nasa saying on national geographic channel that madagascar will be underwater within 150 years at current sea level risings due to most likely human pollution, but their forsaking of alternative outcomes missing proposals for solution that are more like my processes, they're based on things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the war on drugs is perpetuated because police departments receive money for busting small time users. the more busts, the more money they get'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well ill be dead in 150 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '+/- 75'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar starts drawiing the conclusion that some people are not capable of dealing with the truth 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody can contribute to them, problem solution = has bugs in it, so lets fix the bugs, there's two ways of looking at bugs, like some dictators look at any opposition and how some programmers look at logic errors'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar watched them make unknown idiots of themselves...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can deal with the truth if I get to define it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody's selling kids in Tex-ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one would prefer that problem remains in his program the other would consider it his program if he left it there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'BET'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you claim some crazy ass stuff and yet you point me to some people I have never heard of to explain it to me. Meaning you don't even understand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because who in their right mind would buy a damn Texan kid???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then that will be the only state that doesn't have it, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And WHO would buy a kid anyway?  Unless you want to cook it and eat it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet it's not some happy cow from California.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If you want a kid, why not just knock up some 17 year old? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know, but child  trafficking is big business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pigs are cheaper, and prob taste better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Texas, took SO MANY children illegally, the kids were becoming homeless into foster care, and being sold on auction blocks in Vegas, to high buck business men for icky reasons. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I actually do like babies.  Cooked up in a nice spicy vindaloo sauce with potatoes, they're quite tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they were also investigated and BUSTED hunting children among other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'funny praetor.you are so humorous'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people like to see errors revealed so they can fix them, others prefer that some errors are never seen, even though they see that they're mostly disasterous and repetition is inevitable of the same destruction, but that might be their program, they're just more my understanding of evil then -> this is dealing with the minds of the people who orchestrate humanicide and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if any actually exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm glad you appreciate me, Socker. I try very hard, I really do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Women who wanted to be child free but panicked when their clock expired are ripe  for child purchase :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There must be a big demand for kids in Asian restaurants or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and ended up forcing foster parents to take a minimum of 5 children, by law, no matter how many bedrooms their homes had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Even better a 13 more gullible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe there wouldn't be so many unwanted kids of all teenage girls had the option to be on birth control'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, furthermore, teenage girls often have no fuckin clue just how much work a baby actually is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'once again Starling you mossed the part, these are NOT unwanted children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's no link.  No entity mandates a minimum number of fosters.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't blame the hormones, Majic. That's what they are for :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there were a fair few teen mothers in the high school i would have gone to, and a fair number of them where the grandmother actually took over caring for the kid so the teen would get a chance to 'be a kid''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Drop me a link then. All federal and state laws are kept under .gov domains, I'd like to see a link to this law.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'finger krypteria'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sorry...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to understand them, then there's less mystery about the world's problems - doing that requires following whatever catches your interest i figure, and being self-critical over what leads you to believe what you do, and if you'r enot sure what you believe what is missing from that understanding?  maybe god's ways are beyond finding out, but what i call god i don't like to be my enemy, and friends don't mock friends soul's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you think the government will expose themselves at their own game huh Praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Ah so you have no proof?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never had a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I do have proof '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'everyone told me how different it would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'be a kind now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you had a chance to be a kid...you didn't take it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know the difference? i have a little baby girl. and i live with ironclad instead of people who only care about themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some kids get no chance....cps makes child porn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's a smart young woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so CPS Child Porn Services?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, but one is always responsible  for one's choices, don't pass the buck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the rest of you should travel and see some world...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did get to travel to spain'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so getting raped at age 4 is a choice Anaristos? wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"It's different when it's your own"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did NOT have a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you made the choice of being at the location where the rape took place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, you did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just fucked it away, and now you're a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, home in your bed and daddy comes in. you made a choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait, are you saying you got pregnant at 4?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'So if a girl is walking to school at 9am and she get's raped, it is her fault'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a piano would have fallen on your head it also would have been a consequence of your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'after your mom was handcuffed....you guys are nutz...maybe you should all sign up for SSI now and avoid the rush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and you dont need to know why because its none of your damn business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are confusing responsibility for one's acts with things like "fault"/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's my damn business if I'm the one footing the bill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have nothing to do with each other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for having that kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you have no idea what kind of childhood i had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'all you need to know is i didnt have one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you have no idea what kind of childhood I had.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling: we already figured out you're not footing the bill for her child, but you are totally footing the bill for crooked family court and children being raped is apparently ok with you...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. so protecting my older sister instead of letting her get raped and killed is having a childhood? im sorry i wasnt selfish. im sorry i care about other people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't the military frown on out of wedlock children?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone had a childhood -- it may not have conformed to a certain ideal, and it may even have been a completely shitty childhood, but everyone has had one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana i was talking to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Gwynyfar, because if I had my way, those trashy breeders would have all been sterilized.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these people are loony...and they think we are....nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you miss the point, again. Try to understand what being responsible for self actions mean.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the rapist is responsible for raping you, you are responsible for being at the scene of the rape, so is he, incidentally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont care if ive missed your point its a lame one. youre telling me to be selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was so selfish my sister would be on the street'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was selfish id know a lot of DEAD people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sorry im not being selfish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not lame, if you understand where your responsibility lies then you can deal with things like misplaced guilt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh i see what anaristos is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i understand that but i also understand that its better to have a heart than not to have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You never answered the question as to whether the military will provide benefits for your kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your daughter keeps your sister off the street?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i keep my sister off the street and alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister is 2 1/2 years older than me and if it wasnt for me she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if welfare hadnt taken care of my mother when i was an infant because my dad decided he didnt want responsibility of the person he married she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe she should have been responsible and not had kids either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are misusing the word "responsible".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so what all of you supposed ADULTS are emplying is that i should be a lowlife selfish CUNT that deserves the best and should leave EVERYONE including those who help me behind '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'responsibility is just the acceptance of one's choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, that's what you're inferring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'even if they got me where i am? be it a dr or a lawyer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the other stuff is just added meaning which doesn't really bear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or a mcdonalds lackey...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well what you emplied is that you should be set and have a good income to have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WELL SHE DID '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Please type define:responsible into google'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You SHOULD be set and have a good income before breeding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'funny thing is, in countries where a village full of people are allowed to do what they love and bring it to the table, (clothes, foods, gardens, carpentry) people are more relaxed, family values, self worth in each member of the tribe/village, everyone is healthy and happy and this selfish lying competitive conversation is moot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so im a lackey. at least i have a job. at least im paying for peaople to survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well my mother did but you just called her irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Why Starling, so your kids can have everything but the love and attention they need?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling - if everyone was *set* and had a good income before having kids, the human race would have died before the pyramids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said your mom was on welfare... ?  Did you not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in order for one to make a point, Quadrapus, one has to constraint meaning. The word "responsible" can have varied meanings, but as I use it it mens the acknowledgement of one's choices. I state that you cannot assign responsibility (i.e. ownership) of your choices to someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my father left her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because he took her to somewhere foreign'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Then don't say she has it wrong, make the definition you are using clear'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because hes JUST LIKE YOU a selfish jerk.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was clear from what I said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is nothing wrong with needing a hand, only something wrong with people who get angry and mean to people who do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am not being mean. just saying. our DNA picks a path to survive. if people having kids before thinking about it works, then that is the path the DNA takes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'our neightbors house burned to the ground, ignited the house next to it, me and my roomates did everything from makign sure they had what they needed to helping them find somewhere to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you want to get angry get angry at YOUR government that is using YOUR taxdollars to support ILLIGALS and rejecting their own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how it works, Ohm. Frankly, if thinking was involved in procreation we wouldn't be here today :) Or, rather, nature didn't take the chance that we would screw it up by thinking about it, so procreation is an instinct.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'this makes most of this irrelevent. the DNA survives and carries on. all we can do is whine about it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or for america to be america....I got more love and had more fun with mexicans than any american in northern california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'you can burn your parents in the fireplace'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'emote agrees with gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are entitled fo feel that way :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos understands. everyone on the planet is here because somewhere up the line, someone had sex before thinking about haveing kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't make it an universal law :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How do you know they did it without thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mine waited till they were ready, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because most people don't think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mantion the fact that I'd wager real money on the fact that not a single one of you would carry 20 buckets of rocks up the hill for your wine growing daddies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but ohm is meaning your parents, grandparents, etc. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What the fuck does that even mean, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'only 3 thinking on this channel today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the human race needs that idiotic instinct to survive. let's have sex becaue it feels good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is correct, Ohm. We can even postulate that the reason people think so much about whether to have kids or not is because the planet is becoming overcrowded. It is a fact that after major wars or catastrophes the birth rate goes up dramatically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know my parents were ready, but I'm damn-sure if you go back 3-4 generations you'll get at least one accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is english your second language Starling? If so I can translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, that idiotic instinct is going to overpopulate the planet and end us all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Something about pushing rocks up a hill for some wine growers?  And this has to do with what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if sex didn't feel good, we would not exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Your idiotic instinct might....mine is preserving forest land so my grnadkids have a better chance of breathing without disastrous results.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it won't, Starling. You are an example why that is not true. You have no drive to have children. But I bet you that if something terrible happened and you became a part of the few left on this planet you would be dropping them like rabbits :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except instead of preserving forest land, forest land is being destroyed to make all the paper trash that your kids are consuming.  Way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats why there is a such thing as cloth diapers right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  You'd lose that bet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So forest land is being destroyed to grow the cotton that''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'is used to make the cloth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling might go all terminator and take the rest of humanity out :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ana would win because NO one is on your side star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, but loaf shitting is not 'green', it's the exact opposite.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ohm i think youre right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok starling does indeed not speak english....next!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hand , han 'ed, han dynasty, leviathan, levi at han, levi (tax) and israelite priesthood, Kao-tsu is the posthumous title given to Liu Chi, the founder of the Former Han dynasty. Little is known of his early years (indeed, it is not certain whether his name was Liu Chi or Liu Pang). He was born a commoner and was one of only two commoners to become emperors of China. Part of his youth was spent as a peasant, but he managed to receive some education. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/han-kao-tsu#ixzz1lOM4xGDT -> i also find interesting, i'm not sure of nothing but the sounds words make often slip the mind, han also sounds similar to some egyptian naming of current mythology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'go shit an actual loaf of bread star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'holy wall of text batman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, don't forget the forest land that is being destroyed to strip-mine more coal to supply the increased electricity that your kids consume.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tell me how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am confident that you would become  pregnant. Though, it is possible that there is some structural reason why you don't have the will to procreate in which case that would be fine if you didn't. Would keep the gene pool healthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know why i looked it up, just came to mind so i investigated a little bit, seeing what i could piece together in simile, not meaning anything offensive by any of it, just curious about origins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus boggles at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'What the fuck are you on dude?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not on anything. I am drinking water.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Got it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I found the structural defect, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole point of being green is to benefit humanity in the long term. I see no point in it otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'that will be illegal soon enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'just google legally kidnapped. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you obviously don't think that subconsciously people don't remove themselves from the gene pool? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'get a clue, and we'll discuss things after you have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I wouldn't help rebuild the species.  I'd just enjoy having relatively few fuckwits around as I lived out the rest of my days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are all interconnected, I theorize that if we examined most of those than don't procreate we would find that had they, the pool would have suffered.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Debate without sources is like 2 kids flinging mud and shit at each other - everyone ends up dirty, and leave others to clean up the mess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Whoa, being literate is now arrogant? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm sure you're quite humble then. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you mean your own kind Starling...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie 'even the rain' from spain or mexico or bolivia or all 3 is interesting look at privatization of water resource, i watched it on superchannel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt type that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cisco and ebert had negative review of it from what i seen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it magically appeared?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, fuck cisco and ebert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i walked away for a sec and my bro wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'siskel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is 'my kind'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i thought all in all it was an ok movie, this is going on the assumption that nobody was harmed by the film crew and they had good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who knows, Starling? How about a hint?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'whatever you said about fuckwits.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am curious how you get paid to review movies, and paid quite well'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought siskel was dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Multiplaying, eh Shadows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, yeah, by that I meant teenage breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well i do bore easily of repeating things Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with teenage breeders, per se, Starling. I bet your grand^8mother was around 12 or 13 when she first got pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad there are more than one of you...then I won't feel the slightest bad about leaving you on your own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm damn sure mine wasn't. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I use correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization because I don't want to look like a fucking idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and yet you do, more than ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the profanity does that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too late.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd that Starling would care what we think of her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Teen parents are universally a bad thing. Whatever good may come of it, in ALL cases, EVERYwhere, EVERYtime, the net effect is a bad one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after all these years :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, she was in her 20's, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Vakieh on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we see teen parents as a bad thing. our DNA is seeing it as survival'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contrary to popular belief, a hundred years ago the age of first childbirth was not really anywhere near 12-13 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I would rather be called an idiot for my opinions than for shitting out a loaf I can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And then dumping the cost of it on the military, which will probably provide benefits for it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if it nothing was ever meant to be then nothing would ever happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's propaganda, Vakieh. The teens is the age the human race is geared to have children. Why do you think the body is flooded with so many hormones? Be design, that is the optimun time for mating since the human male peaks sexually at 18.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you're a loaf....I'm sorry your mom couldn't get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And who pays for those benefits?  Oh, right, I do, because I pay taxes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if nothing ever happens. nothing would ever be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't peaked yet...still getting better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not all mothers can eat their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Where did you learn that Shadowsdie, Bullshit Buddhism 101?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a teenager who is responsible enough to have kids, and I'll show you someone who is lying about their age.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'physiologically, late teens and through the 20s are best'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldn never eat my baby shes just too darn cute with her little fat cheeks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos is right. i thought otherwise until someone showed me the logic. look at how the DNA survies, or else it goes extinct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's smarter than you Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would never eat it either, it's probably pumped full of meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does responsibility have to do with anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no responsibility hormone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that may also explain your "condition"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am not talking hormones - if you want to live like an animal does, go to the zoo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that makes no sense. humans are animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my life may have been a little better at the zoo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sitting in a cage flinging poo at passersby?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are animals, don't you know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'having an education and a job gives her one up on your king of the hill game guys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have critical, rational thought, which for those of us who don't live on semantics means we are different to animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'id get meals 3 times a day. entertainment. i could stare at the weird humanoids that wander buy.. pee in public without getting arrested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'humans are brilliant animals,so they can survive from the nature and be the winner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY WAIT .. That almost sounds like jail and prison'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'most people never exercise critical or rational thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which is where you probably belong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least them you won't shit any more loaves for the state to provide for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I say those people are acting like animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah at least id be safe from your horrible unoffensive insults'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all that computing capacity is barely able to cope with the demands of the body chemistry, Vakieh. Body chemistry has its on "rationality".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '625000000 = the amount of money spent on 2,500 reforming sex offenders in california in a year, which is 14*2500 welfare recipients yearly wages, whether they don't want to work or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know, no internet in a jail cell'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is because humans are animals. we are no better or no worse than any other animal on the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ACTUALLY the zoo is actually gov't funded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen that on that documentary i mentioned yesterday, it's still curious to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'state anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you want to believe that, go ahead - I have genetically programmed desires I override with rational decision-making on a daily basis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm done responding to ignorant little boys who treat females like this, especially moms, of any age. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nods in agreement with Gwynyfar and Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Gwynyfar's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is all well and good. but that in no way makes us gods among other animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh noez, don't call us on our bullshit, moos are saints, haven't you heard?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone doesn't deserve respect automatically for being a mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these are the very guys who will end up beating their gf or wife. and blaming the women for getting hit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'humans are the least intelligent of the animals...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey moos, how about logging offline and parenting your kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speak for yourself!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its totally the poor dogs fault the human beat the living spit out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'actually these are probably the people who act this way because they are not able to get a woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know, The Most Important Job In The World?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY HOW ABOUT ITS ALMOST MIDNIGHT AND WE ARE GOOD PARENTS SO THEY ARE SLEEPING'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not a matter of belief, Vakieh. It's a matter of fact. You can say "hey, I am a teenager and I am not supposed to have kids, so  I won't", fine. But you better find a way to sublimate all the demands the hormones in your body are placing on you or you are going to become neurotic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Hey im a teenager and its not politically correct to have children. But by golly i did it anyways!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing "not supposed to" about having kids in your teens'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm a great mom and I don't need millions of dollars to do that....and I invented the insulin cooler and the blood sugar wrist monitor. what have you done?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, that's what the pill is for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey - I did my fair share of stupid shit as a teen - but I used a condom for the parts that required it, and guess what? No kids!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You invented the insulin cooler? Source or gtfo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good for you, you are a teen moo that the state will subsidize.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the pill doesn't handle the generated hormones, the pill fakes pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'glad you have no kids you 3, you're not cut out to be parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one of the experiments they showed was showing provocative material to the patient sex offender released to them from prison, while strapping a monitor around his penis and observing for signs of arousal while exposed to the material's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wife was still a teenager when she was my wife and the mother of my children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, so if you're on the pill, you can act on your urges without burdening society (or YOURSELF) with the unaffordable loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to determine whether what gets him off is more normal or not, apparently alot of the people there aren't involved in such training, opting to not try to reach the outside instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and my mother was 17 when she had me, the second of 4.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Good for me! IM SO PROUD OF ME IF I COULD CLONE MYSELF ID HUG ME!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, we should encourage teens to masturbate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well Gwynyfar, at least we agree that I'm not fit to be a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh, "condoms don't protect the heart!"  lol they gave us those stickers in middle school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As I said, the minute the little brat did something I didn't want it to, I'd flush it down the toilet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Somebody like that does not need to have kids :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, any teen that wants to masturbate me...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'also...condoms suck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tHE MINUTE IT grew YOU WOULD FLUSH THE POOR LIFE DOWN THE TOILET.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope, but they sure do protect the uterus, at least moreso than going bare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anaristos is on his way to the priesthood :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but i hate everyone on walfare taking my tax money so yea....everyone else can use condoms!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Shadowsdie person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'compare to have a baby,majic's suggestion is reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one man had himself castrated in attempts of appealing to the outside that he is ok to be released, it was a twisted documentary, curious system they got anyways - i don't think it should cost that much though, efficiency maybe isn't their goal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Like i said ONCE AGAIN FOR THE FIFTY ITH ISH TIME IN A ROW..... IRONCLAD WAS A CONDOM and PILL BABy ooops.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmm roast beef and gouda ... god i love welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your right hand doesn't get you diseased, doesn't get you pregnant, and doesn't break your heart.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil must be so pleased :-) His channel is getting its biggest traffic in YEARS! :-P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'state castration is cruel and unusual punishment, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'looks like she shoudlve gone the last stretch?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Gwynyfar's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'im surprised anyone uses the right hand anymore...what with the mouse being used by that hand'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my heart wasnt broken!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it can Majic, go touch a food counter in northern cal, 9 out of 10 you catch flesh-eating strep'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, we can stream internet porn now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, he was an oops, all right.  "Oh me, oh my, the birth control must have FAILED!  I can't explain it, I'm sure it had nothing to do with me skipping doses.  OOOOOOOOOOPS."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'didn't you know that one uses the "opposite" hand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im left handed...but i still use the right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'it was filled with the undying love of my daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '9 out of 10 eh? Wow, there must be no population left there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not my channel, what i talk about mostly has no other place is all, this channel's off by default so it's more ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you get preggers while your partner is wearing a condom and you are on the pill, I  would suggest an abortion or adoption, whichever way you swing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Quit using odds as if you understood what they meant :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'its a petrie dish'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ironclad besides the fact that shes a fucked up bitch and doesnt care'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'his mom i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'shes a selfish low life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm starting to think you guys are those guys who get turned on by pissing women off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I do know someone who got pregnant two years after the husband had a vasectomy. No birth control is 100% if you're sexually active. But ... it will greatly reduce the number of children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'EW'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'so you're a teen moo who also had the kid via oopsing the father, who probably didn't want to have a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I learned about those in cali too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im a teen moo? i coulda sworn i was human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BESIDES THE FACT that he did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It IS possible for a woman to get pregnant two years after her husband has a vasectomy.  And the reason doesn't necessarily have to do with the effectiveness of vasectomies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'YAY I'm a teen!!! woo that's like Magic!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am the opposite of turned on right now. I am sad for all the kids who have to deal with the same issues I did, in a society that FUCKING DIDN'T LEARN from the mistakes of the previous generations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he wants me to take him back but every time you hit enter it reminds me of why i wont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it was his kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, his kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the majority of the oopses after vasectomy are cuz the guy didn't bother with the follow-up tests, but occasionally it will repair itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this one was a self-repair, nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know this might come as a shock, but that is why people have sex, to have kids. Regardless of what they claim is the reason. Nature has the last laugh :) 'Yeah, let them think that they are just doing it for fun, but every year I catch a bunch of them anyway :)"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'our bodies can self-repair a vasectomy? our DNA is crafty...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, I don't have sex to have kids.  Speak for yourself. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, it's rare but happens. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and never EVER believe any man who says he's had a vasectomy....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually you do.. thats what youre programmed to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Define sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do agree with that, Gwynyfar, you need to ask for documentation on that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does dna have to say about anal? Eh? Eeeeeh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Sahdowsdie. Let's put it this way, you can't have kids if you don't have sex. If you have sex there is always the chance you will have kids. That's good enough to keep the human race going. While  it might not happen individually, it will certainly happen statistically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I don't believe documentation either...might work...might not/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do gay guys have sex to have kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a girl can get pregnant from anal. the sperm are might swimmers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wouldnt do it if it didnt feel good. you just decided you didnt want little chumposoraus like yourself running about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You make the mistake of thinking that all sex is capable of generating kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure ohm, that's where we get politicians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn right I decided that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'a hermaphrodite can get his wife pregnant AND menstruate :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'have to get them from somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, Abe. Let's not go that route. I don't want a serious debate :) It's saturday.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed anaristos so im just another statistic and im mighty fine with that dern ider right ther'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, even if birth control fails, which IT WON't if you take it properly, there is STILL a backup method to an accident.  It's called ABORTION.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'look up bonobo chimps.....sex (hetero and homo) as exchange...evolution has changed so that sex has multiple functions but nature wants us to do it to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes, a gay man can get a woman pregnant.  Just ask Edward II.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm quite serious, you made a statement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or Julius Casear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if the heart beats its alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nature doesn't want squat. Nature has no desire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the heart beats by the time you figure out youre pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know you did, but I don't have the inclination to get into it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you have no head and a beating heart, are you alive?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'd abort that shit anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SPEAK OF THE DEVIL THE BABYS DAD HAS JUST MESSAGED ME ON FACEBOOK'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow shadowside is ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha sure...coming from the person that actually thinks he overrides evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WAIT STARLING ARE YOU SURE YOURE NOT ACTUALLY HIM?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why the fuck would I message you on fakebook?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I am not ignorant.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah. starling would not do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But thats okay think what you wnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spamming caps sure makes you look that way :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy Starling, you know that. Is there an appropriate saying "don't wrap your pussy around crazy" for Starling's case?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Im not meaning to its just happening'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You mean you can't even figure out if you hit your caps lock key?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Vakieh, but the Anthropomorphism of nature helps discuss it without getting into technical details.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have a tendency to hit it when im done typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vakieh - don't stick your dick in crazy?  I don't know, won't be any brats sluicing forth from my nethers anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Giving totally incorrect implications to the accident of natural selection / mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you believe in faerie tales, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did say "statistically" didn't I? That's all that needs to be said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'has a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what would end this debate real quick? Double qps. Lets get some of that, imms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as to guy people, Abe (I will say this, reluctantly), they must be insane :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the only thing that would end this debate is the enlightenment and healing of a few of the debators :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree, I would say double qps would do it better,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't need to be enlightened, thank you very much :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Vakieh.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think evolution will do it but it might take 50 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, Gwynyfar, because I won't be sluicing any loaves, I will not have to heal ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evolution in 50 years...wow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'skipped a few bio classes, did we?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it peculiar that you use such derogatory terms, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you dont have to have pre-med / biology degrees (like me) to understand that joke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'your ideas and the way you rant about things that have already been proven otherwise.....makes me think you were emotionally cut off at an early age'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'evolution ... is not something that applies to an individual human :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe lol you dont even understand what i was talking about but please continue'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe Starling has a great hatred for the human race. seeing as how humans act, i cannot blame her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'try saying "I have never been pregnant" instead "I haven't dropped a loaf".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do hate people in general, yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Star Fish.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Now why would I say that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'when some of the debaters are dead in 50 years without kids that would be an evolutionary choice.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, are we glag you have withdrawn from the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe she has been pregnant, but had someone remove her loaf before she dropped it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i nodded at a star fish evidently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thanks Starling heartily.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i guess im stupid huh abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that would be a subject to broach....wow Vakieh...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting theory, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite, ucla...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But it's so much more amusing to say I've never sluiced a fucktrophy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders' reactions are priceless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they just rip a new one for everyone...they lose their power after a while'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Starling, just go donate your eggs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the point is that your choice of words reflects your position on the subject. I will take a chance and say that you have a negative attitude about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, shitting out a kid rips you a new one or two ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Just to piss off Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I prefer to make love to corpses I find here on mudd....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Quad.  I find that kind of thing to be morally repugnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A few mates and I donated sperm once. I may have some genetic spawn running around somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are 1% children better than 99% children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not better off I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, no. Someone stop her!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. they are just richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think in vitro fertilization and that bullshit should be illegal, also'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '1% children have food clothing video games......99% children have food clothing video games and love....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you are unable to get knocked up, I think your biology is trying to tell you something!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I figure people with the wherewithall to try and get preggers THAT hard deserve kids. As opposed to "he said he like my dress" one-night-poppers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh thats what i wanna do!  I feel my DNA is too special to let waste...i need to donate sperm but no banks here in NC...you must live out west'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I like the package with the love in it myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, that was close, Starling. I could imagine the clinic going code red and invaded by the CDC after your deposit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But no, they won't adopt a kid.  They want a holy goldenloaf of their own.  And breeders say I'm selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling what about for couples with unbalanced translocations that have a 50%+ chance of having mentally handicapped children if they dont do ivf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'unbalanced translocations :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'wow :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't be better off with her eggs...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I sure wonder why you're so convinced that only the children of the poor can experience love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  They should ADOPT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '<<3 you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My cousin has 3 zero-function autistic kids. Decided 2 just wasn't enough. Fuck that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'do we have a real geneticist here? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you can't have kids naturally, if your kid is likely to be a tard, just adopt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think Starling's parents must have been very patient people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'permit me to introduce myself, I am Allele Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I have pre-med and medical techonology BS degrees :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'I just find it funny that the single unmarried guy has so many righteous opinions on how people should have or not have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'After the 3rd they FINALLY went and had a test - turns out the odds were 99% any child would be autistic. Now the three kids have to grow up unable to do anything productive, loveless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unbalanced translocation?  I'm picturing somebody's womb casting translocate and ending up somewhere else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'bitter anyone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i meant balanced.  the unbalanced are basically hopeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why loveless?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'PALMalaHANDerson loves you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar is agreeing with that Roninleader person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ohm, actually, I think part of my childfree attitude today is my parents constantly threatening me with "You wait till you have some of your own, I hope they act as bad as you do."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seen an autistic kid? Not some "my child has autism, wah" bullshit autism, but Actual, full-disorder autism? They don't know the meaning of the word emotion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that would also do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in that case we are glad you are child free, Starling. I don't think the world at large could have coped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. When I worked in the nursing home, there were a few autistic adults who were occasionally placed for a weekend on respite care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'that doesnt mean they are loveless. im sure they are loved. they just dont have the means to understand it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if we handled george w. bush, we can handle starling's *loaves*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"growing up loveless" would denote lack on the part of the parents, not lack of understanding by the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you know, Ohm, that's not true. Parents say that to their children all the time. They certainly said to me, I just laughed them off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my kids would be sociopaths due to being flushed down the shitter for bad behavior and/or being locked in a cage 24/7'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hey remember that game Aardwolf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'imo, love is 2-way, it means nothing whatsoever unless it is returned.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly use a weird dictionary, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but I loved having a 3-way'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure your mom loved having a 3-way too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I love this car. I love this fish. My daughter and I love each other. See the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'would that be 2 hands and either foot, Dirkdiggler?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'shhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for some people, there is no difference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'loving things and using people makes the people who do it unwelcome in my circles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are assuming that because your daughter loves you, loves is two-way. When in fact you just showed that it is one-way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if a rich couple has millions of dollars to hire scientists to perform ivf / pgd, why would you force them to adopt instead?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '2-ways are boring....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok im done *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1-ways are standard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am saying I don't think the first 2 are love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I don't want their defective frankenloaf growing up to contaminate society with its fucked up genes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i will always love my kids, even if it wasnt returned....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, if they have millions of dollars, why don't they do some public works to improve life for all the kids already here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'It took me a minute to find, but this is what I think of when I see allele Anaristos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjxviggLvo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'love is as simplex connection. What you and your daughter have is not a duplex connection, it is  two simplex connections.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people love material possessions more than human beings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ivf / pgd only implants genetically healthy embryos though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you're more likely to get fucked-up through adoption.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ROFL can we rewind to the comment "defective frankenloaf"???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling is case in point of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'kojiro, that's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8aprCNnecU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks at Quadrapus and goes "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'except for occasional mosaciism, it's 99% true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'In C elegans, Egl mutants aren't able to give birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the difference between like and love :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what does it matter if the kid is adopted?  Parental love is unconditional, isn't it?  That's what the lying breeders keep saying?  So if it's unconditional, what does it matter if you didn't sluice the kid yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So the young eat the mother from the inside'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can screen for some stuff, but we don't know the definition of only genetically-healthy DNA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and that's how they escape :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Guys, Double's in effect.  Time to stop chattin' and start killin''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because humans don't love all children equally starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If parental love is so unconditional, wouldn't those millionaires love the adopted kid just as much as one they sluiced themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'some do starling, other people aren't capable of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'is there something wrong with wanting a kid you made?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they aren't capable of that, maybe they shouldn't have kids at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'humans are selfish you know this'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is there something wrong with adopting one?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'no.  I plan to adopt a few times'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there's soemthing wrong with forcing adoption on those who don't want to adopt when they have other options'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't continue your bloodline...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does your kid need to be your own DNA self-replicant?  It's not enough to just raise it and whatnot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not all humans are, but those who are will ruin anything those who aren't have going for them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ronin, you said the other day you plan on making your wife shit at least 12 loaves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's instinctual, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '12 kids? my word...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i would kill 2 strange children to save my child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but why would that matter abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is also instinctual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuance of a bloodline is basically the drive to continue a successful result.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's what we're wired for, ucla...I happen to be the only son of an only son...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Drunk'ing Abel, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'abelinc is obv an only lchild'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the best DNA survies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope kojiro, just the only male'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but how can it survive if  you don't continue your bloodline>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and father had 5 sisters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only child that matters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing I wasn't jewish :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i thought your prior statement argued that evolution could not act in such a short period of time? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'continuing bloodline isn't evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, had a gq to lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha yes it is...all breeding is evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'haha, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahah yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The OTHER issue I have with IVF is that people spend tens of thousands of dollars on that shit.  INSTEAD of adopting a kid, and spending the money on the kid instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why can't people spend money on whatever they want?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'evolution implies a result different from the species before it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all breeding and passing of genese is a small scale step in evoltion'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I guess we go full circle to your knowledge of the subject...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuing the bloodline is actually anti-evolutionary because it lowers the chance of mutations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, they even go into debt and sell off everything they have.  Then by the time the loaf is sluiced, they are penniless and unable to give it anything but shit for life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No, it doesnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Thats retarded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without mutation, there is no evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you clearly know nothing about genetics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it doesnt its the processing of passing and selecting genes,,,,no change is required '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For the correct definitions of evolution, go to a library.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'selective breeding is not evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I want to debate if there is actually a debate going on here........'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know plenty about evolution i debate this all the time.....evolution is also selection against genese and that happens with every birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, they actually form insurance cooperatives with other ivf couples so nobody goes into serious debt :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ucla, the selection doesnt happen with each birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the randomization of the genes does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, "I debate this all the time"...now there's a qualifier...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money would still be better spent on a kid already here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the selecting event is something separate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So not only do they birth a defective frankenloaf, they deprive that other kid of a good life too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's selfish as all hell, but breeders call CHILDFREE selfish?  Fuck that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are ruining my next trip to the bakery, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ima log off and when i come back you guys better have gotten all this debating out of ya system....cuz ima come back poopin and fartin all over the channels *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i cant believe this conversation is still going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people have seriosu beliefs, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are still trying to get Starling to bake some bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think there can be evolution without mutation, n'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, isn't it nighttime at your orphanage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Modi in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'er nm, i would rather listen to farts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Not Guilty Kojiro's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some peoples beliefs are never tested by them, and they never know until they get in the thick of it, what the truth of their belief system is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my orphanage kicked me out for trying to kill the handlers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Charles Darwin was the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Evolution by natural selection is a process that is inferred from three facts about populations: 1) more offspring are produced than can possibly survive, 2) traits vary among individuals, leading to differential rates of survival and reproduction, and 3) trait differences are heritable.[3] Thus, when members of a population die they are replaced by the progeny of parents that were better adapted to survive and reproduce in the environment in which natural selection took place. This process creates and preserves traits that are seemingly fitted for the functional roles they perform.[4] Natural selection is the only known cause of adaptation, but not the only known cause of evolution. Other, nonadaptive causes of evolution include mutation and genetic drift.[5]'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'who is going to read that paragraph and translate for me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '(says the biology major)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and shit the bread out'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You haven't said anything that changes what I said :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'evolution as a theory is a process of selecting genes for survival its happening with every birth and death'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm explaining to you what Darwin really meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Go to bed, Shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh wow, just turned debate on and I see it's still going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You need to be rested to take care of Loafette tomorrow :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if us rich well to do 1%'ers adopt, it just encourages the breeders to shit more loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Evolution has 2 parts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh thanks....ill still with darwin himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'okay dad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea im leaving now...ttyl *fart *poop *burp *wink *oops .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'First is randomization of genes. Second is a selection against those genes where the "fittest" organisms survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'back, had a gq to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'hey look ironclad is on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Randomization happens during fertilization/etc, selection happens later'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so what's going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing, just saying your girlie here is irresponsible for having a kid at 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that that successful bloodlines mute often?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well it all started when starling decided im a piece of shit mother because im 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does your military or whatever provide benefits to take care of her kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'starling how old are you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if I had a handful of kids, and only some of them survived because something in the environment took them out, then you can cry natural selection for choosing the survivors...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then what was it that I said that was different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Unless there is selection for higher levels of randomization, so the proofreading pathways or DSB repair pathways are fucked up or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ever serve the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if we adopt isntead of spawn, doesn't it just encourage the IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDERS?????'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Obviously over 18, are you one of those skeezy mid-20's guys who sleeps with teenie boppers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the entire process is evolution ....its not just a single moment in time where a specific act of progrees is recorded in genese'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  Not really, because they are never aware of the adoptions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm 29 2 time Iraqi vet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the poor raise their kids better than the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good lord fuck, you ARE one of those skeezy guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said that successful bloodlines were anti-evolutionary. They are because there is less of a chance for mutation. How is that different? It's the same thing looked at from a different angle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that saved a platoon and was put up for the medal of honor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nope not mid 20s'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29, and a kid with a 17yo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Why is there a less chance of mutation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There isn't, that's just wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ive known him my whole life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because they are successful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here's some advice.  Dump this girl and find a nice childfree woman to settle down with who won't use you as a wallet to pay for her illegitimate kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They are successful because they fit the environment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'that has NOTHING to do with the rate of mutation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Rate of mutation is easily measurable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that doesn't help, shadows...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and all the data says you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i actually went out and bought some bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe not for you but it helps me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what have you accomplished in life starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'remind me to never allow my daughter to meet any of you :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you've known him your whole life, then he was an adult watching you as a small child...that makes it quite skeevy :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'she is a T9, 'NUFF SAID OWNEDUFGT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I see you as a 30 year old mama boy gay fan club owner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its weird but if i was like 30 and he was 40 it would be fine would it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'woman. starling is a female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Ironclad, what have YOU achieved in life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ohm, so starling says'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'besides save hundreds of lives?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, ok. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I'm a geologist.  I work on drilling rigs that produce the resources that make your fancy military vehicles run.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'In what capacity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ahs anybody else retired around 28 years old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'massage therapy degree cooking degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me put it another way, if the bloodline mutates it becomes  a different bloodline. That is, the current offspring (which mutated) cannot trace back to the parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nothing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no starling is an it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats not a big deal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry to jump in, but no iraqi soldiers saved any lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izpokol: 'Where you working at now Starling? My cousin is a geologist too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with that in mind, as long as the bloodline continues there is no mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And I highly doubt the medal of honor story, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if Starling refers to children as loaves of bread....Starling becomes an it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually he has two '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one fossil fuel is not used in military vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my spouse corran died in iraq :('
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'RIP'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'they use jet fuel fail 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want me to take a picture and send it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about the Iraqi war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fossil fuels are not used in military vehicles? What do they use?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you soldiers are just tools of the corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if you are in the military, thank you for serving this great country.  I just don't want to see one of our warriors exploited by somebody with an illegit kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar wraps Sneak in duct tape, humming to herself.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'fail 2 is that the production of oil is taken threw about 15 process before its useable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'modern day slaves fighting rich men's wars'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle faints.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling said something nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell you what star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jet fuel is manufactured from petroleum, smart guy.  Fail 1 yourself :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I missed it...can you paste it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, but that oil has to be drilled out of the ground before it's produced.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If you join the military thinking you're going to 'do good' any more, you're lying to yourself or terribly ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'shadow is ten times more mature then any girl in her 30-80'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Indeed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm talking abouit the Iraqi comment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'idgaf about your maturity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'also brighter smarter and knows how to do a lot more things intellegence and thinking wise then I would presume you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was agreeing about the slaves and the rich ppls war'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'hold on, another gq to throw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in your simple malcious hateful life could produce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, I see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'glad you agree with me then :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you spend your time playing games calling people breeders but you have no clue what that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol really or are you just saying that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any american soldier who thinks they're liberating people and saving lives in wars are brainwashhed :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, at least we're not attacking personally anymore. That's good to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how can you produce one fact into childhood or giving birth when you haven't'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never mentioned who he saved now did he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyranthin: 'just curious, do you guys actually believe the crap you're spewing or are you just trolling iron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone who says anything is brainwashed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's like say you have a penis when your female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, without alluding to the kennel club, breeding means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'again with the assuming what did i say about that earlier?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'makes an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, females have penis analogs, Ironclad :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just ask chaz bono'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wanna smack starling in the face with a dead iraqis penis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he'd like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fossil fuel isn't used in military vehicles?  Do you think it's all biofuel?  It's made from petroleum.  Even if it's synthetic fuel, the feedstock is petrochemical based, and for that you need to drill.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'how does someone even come up with that kind of thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'my point is simple a woman of any age is given the right to have children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is scary'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because you gave your right away to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, who said otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i got it from some old guys war stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'doesn't give you the right to hate on others that choose to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'people come up with that kind of thought after countless thoughtless comments have been made by the person they end up saying it to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just because you can doesn't mean you should...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'are you like... 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how does one give away the right to breed unless one becomes sterile by choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As for her being smarter, she sure wasn't smart enough to use the pill or get an abortion and prevent shitting an unaffordable loaf onto society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, her poor spelling and grammar argue against what you say.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'damn that loaf thing again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm getting hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'lol I'm not on wellfare I assure you that....lol and umm kids are amazing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I told you, Anne Coulter aparently plays muds :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont have poor spelling its called auto correct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'if you have one .....oh wait you can't muahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since I am the one paying the taxes and picking up the tab for her bad decisions, I think that gives me a right to bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'agrees with ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'What kind of MUD client has auto correct?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't ruin my screen by typing that name, Ixle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, yes you do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kids are amazingly shitty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'autocorrect would form other real words...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'umm dumalbass she works'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree with Starling on her previous point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and goes to school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'simply misspelling things is never autocorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and takes care of her kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Ohm ive been hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she makes her brother take care of it.  She said so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wtf you do eat cheetos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But a pigeon pie doesnt seem quite appetizing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, what I can't play? This looks like fun...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless you are a cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he baby sits you have the brain of a pigeon....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I already said I Love my welfare, steak and gouda sandwiches for dinner :) organic coffee :) ty for less than one penny per tax dollar ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm thinking, raisin bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you can ply ixle but nobody wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we know on whose side Ironclad is :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Winning went out the window with the first "loaf" and "welfore whore"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well maybe some apple fritter bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Since then it's just been Aardwolf jersey shore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for the kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm on shadows side I have known her for 14 years...you find me a smarter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I can throw a stone and find a smarter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm actually really curious where the appeal in having children lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'since she was 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or some one that makes better decisions then her and I will prove you wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's well balanced and way smarter than the people who keep biting her in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you are not making a point, Ironclad. You are showing your alliance simply by insulting those who disagree with her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, enjoy that shit, Gwynyfarm, you welfare moo, I sure love paying for you to eat expensive food and argue online.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's the point '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no one write'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ooo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, let's take me for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, I hear Newt Gingrich has a spot on his moon colony where you won't have to pay any taxes for these welfore moo's.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They need geologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30 years old, never knocked up, smart enough to take precautions and avoid shitting a loaf I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she has done her school....been threw multiple homes because of her father inability to lead.. she has continued to do her schooling and finish top'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Decided I really hated kids, was smart enough to get sterilized so I don't ruin my life having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim silences everyone on the internet
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Can spell properly, use good English, good punctuation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but your use of euphemisms tends to indicate you are not really comfortable  with your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Starling 3, Shadowsdie 0.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she isn't on welfare she works full time and she does every decision not based on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and in the end what you think was your free will might have just been natural selection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What school, high school?  I did high school too.  Then college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '4-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'every decision she has made has been for her daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im pretty sure the so called loaf came out of my crotch and not my asshole'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she told them that, they are off base, they have been all day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and that is what makes a real parent'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Am not on welfare, lived off savings when I didn't have a job, looked for a job, got a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '5-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This is getting fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I <3 you guys btw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'd be very depressed if everything in my life revolved around someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Sneak.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you make me smile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'does sound like charlie sheen.. winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'standing at corners is not a job, Starling, it's an adventure :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'is there an ignore button'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '5-0 is winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at ohm, sneak, ucla, and everyone else who is getting a kick out of this.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when you havent had anyone to live for it makes life worht living'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'well, she is not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol. What kind of flawed argument is that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"When you haven't had anyone to live for"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but if youve had something to live for you wouldnt quite understand the reason for wanting a child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You live for yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is Ironclad type ignore personame'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think I've proven that I'm smarter than your little babe here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, so you are saying that we should admire you and that women all over should emulate you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I guarentee when she is 30 she will own a house and have a good job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I have myself to live for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why? who decides if im worth it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Who cares about buying houses, what you want is to buy islands.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Born free and life is worth living...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And really.  A 29-year-old fucking a 17-year old?  Gross man, that's creepy as hell.  Couldn't get a woman your own age?  I mean hell, aren't there a bunch of broads in the service you could bang?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '30 year olds who think they're Charlie Sheen #winning by keeping their own fictional score...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'since your on here everyday I would presume that you.don't work for an oil rig because my cousin does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny thought when i challenged you on issues all we heard were crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'since when do people decide that anyone different than they are must be wrong....if we were all the same we'd be extinct already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: '"how can you expect to love another before you can love yourself?" :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, 6-0, didn't fuck anybody 12 years older than me when I was in high school.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i want an whole country screw islands!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, you are some reactionary dudette.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he works 12-14 hours a day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That happened to me too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"a" whole country, not "an" whole country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe you add to the list......picks on people he thinks are inferior to him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wait wait every stop'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i want to be rich enough to buy prime real estate, like, Mars. the whole planet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I want stsrling to try and compare to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I'll sell you the moon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not a rig hand, smart guy.  I'm a geologist.  I catch samples and enter them onto my log on the computer, then email them out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in her righteousness'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'DARN IT when did we start keeping score?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'simple game'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'compare to you. harharhar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like data entry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'should have known, A rock major.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aren't you supposedly just a meathead soldier.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, the first bible quote of the thread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you ask a question I answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then I wil do the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'didnt notice i put an'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'anyone can be a soldier, not everyone can be a geologist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Shadowsdie, I know how you can win, type 0-10...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wanna see who wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right now, I have time to troll a bit, the rig is running casing and cement, so all I have to do is monitor gas and alert the company man if anything unusual happens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'actually, Tom Cruise owns real estate on the moon. Scientologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thanks ixle atleast someone is honestly keeping score'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm so glad people like starling are here to prevent another Deepwater Horizon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay let's go'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can others play too?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not  everyone can be a soldier. I know someone who failed the Armed Forces examination.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did you finish college star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle packs his bags
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'scientologists have a moon base!!!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I want to play.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who wants a realestate on the moon? everyone stares at the moon'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, I finished college.  Twice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Tom Cruise spent millions, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a dark side. Ask Led Zepplin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should just rotate the moon, it always looks the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only half of it....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for real estate he cannot set foot on.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know several geologists......partied a lot not a competitive major :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm good point shadow, although the dark side is always hidden :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay o have massgae therapy cooking and ent qual from college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you cant finish something twice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol massage therapy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rock majors are well, rocky :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'what kind of crappy degree is that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you just finished two different  things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that happened to be in the same location'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle grabs some of elyce's popcorn and gets smacked in the hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you buy it off the Internet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hoo boy, massage therapy.  Cooking, well, that might get you somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you do your cooking at the CIA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'phoenix university'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'else, it's rather useless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, both of those things are called 'college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'more people live in their darkness...mainly because they're afraid of their own light'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i couldnt dig geology, prof was a tool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'dig geology, badumtsh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'But seriously folks, Starling is monitoring a drilling rig. Are we not concerned?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'funny how people bring out massage therapy and say "I've done college"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so star when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'nice one gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it is usually taught at a college of some sort, community college etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that explains his toxocity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how does it compare to a proper........ degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Ursula Le Guin will tell you, light is the left hand of darkness :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an awesome job...put rocks in tumbler...computer spits out numbers....enter them on spreadsheet and email...definitely supports your superiority theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'really do you know every muscle group in the body.. know every pressure point in the body'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't need to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When I was good and ready, and able to be smart about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'At this point Majic i just dont really care im talking out my butt since almost two hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I pay people to do it for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the flow of the veins every major organ location lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I wonder if we checked the logs on the deepwater horizon if there was a connection to Aardwolf at the time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I get it done once every fortnight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have been **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, yes, you have been'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'age star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What are you going to do, go kill someone Ironclad?  Are you unstable?  Are you shell shocked?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'PTSD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it's not called shell shock anymore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no hes Starling shocked'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you know calling a soldier that actually served the country so fat women like you could type is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I've come to the conclusion  that those who have argued the hardest with no comprehension are diagnosably illiterate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you didnt serve the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you served private corporations and selfish interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there's a difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Quality debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did it allow you to sit at home sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'it didn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and I have most of the culprits on ignore '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'rofl havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if our military cleaned out Congress, that would be really serving the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'waffle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or say Vietnam?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Ohm and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just to step in on that note iron, i have served as well, and we havent fought a war backed by the american people in a very long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I love my vets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, what's sad is that somebody supposedly smart, i.e. you, is being taken for a fool by this irresponsible teen who is using you to finance her brat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm fairly certain there are civilians around the world sitting at home whose countries didn't have to invade Iraq'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Exactly, Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'who here did not have sex until they were married?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Roninleader!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect,. If the US is going to fight wars like Viet Nam and Iraq, you can't seriously expect to be backed by the people, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no your proving your just a filthy fat peddler'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My country didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmmm smoked gouda :P***'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least we pay our taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which pays your wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'those were banker's wars, but that is a whole other topic lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nice to know I got shot every day for a filthy nonbreeder could mouth off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Soft and Silke: 'I support the military :) Love you guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many times were you shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What did you expect ironclad? Why do you think everyone hates us?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't even...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wow, holy shit, you got shot every day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Starling!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't hear about the purple hearts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The last justified war that the US fought was WWII.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how many purple hearts do you have again? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That must have been very painful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'let's see in one day 49 times 5 close to my neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any purple hearts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '50 cent aint got nothin on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no? then moot point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Majic, he claims he was nominated for the medal of honor!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Was there an airsoft fight in the barracks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Haoks roflmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm laughs out loud at Havoks.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think i just discovered who the troll is..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls on the floor laughing at The Lady Elyce's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'khaim: that needs to be plural'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're confusing 'shot at' with 'shot', there is a very real difference :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the point is I belive shadow has the right to live her life and I assure you on any topic I'm brighter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'honestly starling its really no more ridiculous then you claiming your superiority'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''brighter then you' ... rofl :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think you guys are correct in this. Whether we support the war or not that doesn't change what the personnel there went through.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so to question my intellegence or hers is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Brighter THAN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"intellegence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, she sure has the 'right' to shit loaf after loaf that *I* get to pay out for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats is a very good point Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Forgive me if I call bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Logic ucla, what are you doing here with that? She's not going to answer you if you use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'loaf. lololol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'child human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, if you're going to take it into personal attacks and start calling names, you really ought to avoid insults like that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'sluice a fuckturd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I've been shot at and I'm about as far as you can get from a member of the military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you are just an overgrown moldy loaf if i do say so myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys are ruining my next trip to the bakery,  leave the freakin loaves alone!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm curious how old you two were when you first met. was it love at first sight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but she pays more taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Ohm on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ich demos das star ist ein grossen Frau MIT ein Klein loft und diese Frau hast katzen und Leon schwarze'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet he was her babysitter.  I mean, fucking hell, 12 years age difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '3 and 15'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i cant help myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'English only, on public channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'english only on public channels is a rule :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'English only, please.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one calling starlight a immature is a personal attack on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet i pay more taxes ....so you all should bow down to my superiority!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Starlight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'why can't speak multiple languages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or maybe just an observation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'He probably imprinted on her, it wasn't his fault.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'AN IMMATURE **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'ok I I've been away for an hour or so, is this still going'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how about I say it in French'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bet i play less taxes than you ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because aardwolf is an english-speaking mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ironclad, wes from Amurricah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Spanish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'reSPect My AuthoriTAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'quit using Google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? inquiring minds want to know'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'just use your halffucked english'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet you do.....according to starling i am now your master'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'your intellegence is actually sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of you is unlucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'uh hes not? he was stationed in germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least I know how to spell intelligence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Perhaps to boost some slow pclass, like psi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'W00t! Take me for a walk!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, ironclad has mastered google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'intelligence has feelings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'please stop talking trash about her period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'where it was REQUIRED to learn their language?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why should I/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I speak German I'm outside talking '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her period was so lazy, it took 9 months off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never said anything about her period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because it makes you that much less of a person.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because its not your place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Big deal you speak german.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think a person with offspring will die feeling more fullfilled than one without, regardless of who paid the bills, so when you're on your deathbed , Starling, I think more people will care then what you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha abe actually 11'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She's the one shitting out illegitimate brats on my time and dime, I think I have the right to object to that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell me star what gives you the right to judge'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, you can't really police what others can do. you COULD just ... you know, shut off the channel, add others to ignore, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the more offspring the more people wishing you dead so they can get the inheritance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad some of you never leave your laptops....save us from having so much fertilizer in the streets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, our rooms need fertilizers too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'her kids probably smarter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah Modi, ask some nursing home staff how fulfilled all the old farts are when their kids never come to visit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can they spell intelligence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and I bet my cat is to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana they cant inherit if they are not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If Harold Godwinson had had the good sense to defeat William of Normandy in the Battle of Hastings, English would be a much simpler language to learn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if she could talk im sure she could'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's no news to me, Ironclad. The world is smarter than I. Especially in winter since my IQ has somehow connected to the ambient temperature.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you have a will now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wills can be contested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what exactly are you bequeathing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'hey star tell you what I'm gonna ip sniff you and find your location and the location of your worm and se how lonely you really are'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not the one with a little loaf o' shit in the crib or whatever the hell kind of carrier breeders put them in.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Actually I agree Starling. Thank you for NOT reproducing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what do you do a about constipation, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce looks around afraid for her life.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Very responsible of you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No i was simply saying that in order for the child to inherit they either dont have a written signed will or the child is not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey now, no real life threats :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what you remind me of is a woman that is super ugly got rejected and harps on others for what they can't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad, you know fuck all about computers, you've shown that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is true, Starling. The world might be a better place without your offspring...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'kids are idiots, i agree, im one of them, it aint about that, but about knowing you gave back to the universe as you were given'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Again i told you not a crib a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oddly enough, Druzil is no where around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'certainly a viable avenue of exploration.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wow, the bingoes sure are flying tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle enthusiastically high-fives Undertaken Anaristos!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so your a over fed loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1 for no starling loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'haha loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'NATURAL SELECTION'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'starling you have been attacked for like 3 and a half hours and youre still going on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just a hypothesis, Ixle :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont have kids, but i would like to, if i could get my shit together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Let's see, we've heard:  "You won't feel fulfilled", "you're selfish", "you're too ugly, nobody would fuck you", any others?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol Ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'man did your mom forget to wipe your eyes off so you can see?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'must be one of them dern teenie boopers who want to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think those are enough reasons, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wonders where the debate went...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'are you a church goer star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think Ironclad is a kid trolling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'this was never a debate it started and stayed a personal attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'church goer? starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he has college!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Sneak, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Correction IT has college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twice, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Wow it's an IT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'So. a Bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadow, that was about ironclad...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad, seriously.  You need to listen to my advice.  Quit fucking 17-year-olds, it's creepy and kind of sad.  Dump that broad and find somebody your own age, and go HAVE FUN and do something worthwhile.  Don't get tied down with somebody else's brats.  Lastly, learn to spell properly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No this was established earlier'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I am not a follower of Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wuts that? i do IT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, you're calling your guy an IT now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow......I'm just gonna write you in as a soon to be insane lady with cats'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that was hilarious :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'pot calling the kettle huh take a look at RESPONSIBLE .....(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad is probably her brother or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eww, that explains a lot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'abe what does that have anything to do with what i said?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think havoks wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well if you think about it my dad dated his mom so at one time yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I would love to have a couple of cats.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you called ironclad an it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow see your even kiddy in you actions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Indeed. Havoks 5, everyone else 0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'con all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh wow. Now we're going into incestual territory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This turns for the better!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i was referring to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shi...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wants a kitty.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'again....anyone who see's children as loaves of bread, would only be responsible if they preented themselves from having any :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's more of a family bush than a family tree, all twisted around itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sliced bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm done not gonna listen to a confused old hag cry about other peoples rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'abe said 'he has college' referring to ironclad and you said 'correction IT has college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Which is the most circular logical way of proving Starling is responisble gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you want people to be controlled.move to Iraq or stfu '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you should get a job though, welfare is for pussies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the USA has more control over its citizens than Iraq does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, you two should probably get to bed so you can fuck without protection and try to sluice yet another brat you can't afford.  Get going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so.... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i coulda sworn they were refering to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'On the other hand, Shadow and ironclad are reasonable, intelligent people who happen to be parents and love each other :) and that my friends, is a beautiful thing no matter what personal choices the rest of us make for ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean intellegent :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US probably has more control over it's citizens than any other country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not that it matters because  like i told majic. just talkin out my butt sint about 2 almost 3 hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You forget, Ironclad is also purportedly a Medal of Honor nominee.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe the rest of you aren't as petrified Starling is responsible for monitoring a drilling rig as I am.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your butt and/or your ravaged cooter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I pretty much disagree with 98% of everything that comes from star...but I wouldn't call him unintelligent or ineloquent...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No. Starling is grouchy and insulting. She's not stupid. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'fox news keeps citizens in line'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I think she needs to vet laid period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry, the rig is fine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"get".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again anyone that pays any attention to economics knows that zero unemployment has never happened and is actually not desirable from a supply and demand perspective....so why pick on system that we created and need for a vibrant eonomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe she regret getting fixed back in december so she has decided its not fair that i got a baby and she didnt?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll get laid when I go back home.  I refuse to touch any of these rig hands, GROSS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'regrets*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'your hand is not getting laid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you "get" a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'standards. gotta have 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then get a vibrator and shush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm sure they're swooning over your loaf oven Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know its like 1am i can slack on typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'zero unemployment existed before the industrial revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Nonsense.  Zero unemployment very definately HAS happened.  Just not recently in modern society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, the typing is just starting to slack...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shadowsdie, I ended up paying 1200 bucks for getting fixed, a brat costs 200 times as much from 0 to 18, EACH.  Dear god yes, I regret making such a kickass investment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just know that i do know correct punctuation ive been learning it for many years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'youve been learning punctuation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how many? 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, shouldn't you be in bed so you can be well-rested so you can clean up the next round of shit and vomit?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yes but who's paying your nursing home fee'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to public schooling i have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'who's there to take care you when your old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Punctuation is an choice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '100k years ago, everyone had tasks to perform'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'along with correct spelling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hint: contractions have punctuation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs a nursing home when you've got millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your man will prob cheat on you w/somoen like her, so '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'cause I'm sorry I don't se you having many friends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ahahahah, I knew that bingo would come up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'zero unemployment has never happened '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bingo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably the same folks taking care of you when you're old, namely, nursing home staff who don't give a shit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I hope your not saying I would chest '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You think their kids visit them?  Ask the staff sometime, they'll tell you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it happens now. primitive tribes all over the planet have zero unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that was more like 10k years ago I think, but anyways....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'their have always been elderly and beggars and mentally ill and people that could not work....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll use the money I didn't piss away on kids to care for myself when I'm old.  Or hire somebody to do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's a cute little knowledge base by the time you se 65 SSI will be dissol ed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Ucla, if you lived among the pre-Columbian native americans, and you wanted work, you got work.  No unemployment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla: that's not what unemployment is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i thought the definition of unemployment was people who WANT work but can't find it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'meaning no retirement so who's paying for you to go there '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'here we go again....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Havoks, you're ruining your streak. -1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "bingo" is a criticism of the childfree lifestyle, usually levelled by breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is how the government defines unemployment. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no unemployment is people who do not work period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Disability has nothing to do unemployment.  "Unemployment" is when people are willing and able to work, but don't work because there aren't enough jobs to go around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: no SSI doesn't mean no retirement...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'technically SSI has to be paid back'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or when they have the opportunity for free money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you spent your life focusing on your health and staying active, who says you will ever need to go to a retirement home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'much of the time anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla, when the government spits out unemployment rates, the rate is based on people who are looking for work but can't find any'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'unemployment is people who do not have jobs despite wanting them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Examples of bingoes include, "You're selfish!"  "Who will take care of you when you're old?"  "Don't you want to see what they look like?"  "You're too ugly to have kids, nobody would fuck you!"  "It's different when it's your own."  "Parenting makes you a better person."  "Having kids is the most important job in the world!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'thats why students usually aren't part of the unemployment rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Those are bingoes, they are all tired and old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay well 780 from union won't help you live in 40 years lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should make them work then,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one question how would the government determine if someone was looking for work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if they're willing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unemployment does not take into account the people who work EVERY day, for themselves and each other. Making clothes, cooking, counseling, carpentry, plumbing...to name a few'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: smart people plan for their retirement, regardless of social security...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'even if it's pointless work , dig a hole and fill it in, get a check'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'well, they do surveys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'which is the difference between people working together and having what they need, and people working on paper and losing a third of their check to men who really would rather destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'who would provide a check for pointless tasks though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I have hence why I'm already guarenteed 2200-3000 if I quit working now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they provide it for less'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I can honestly say that my mother would have been much better off if she hadn't had kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'glad to know its welfare rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the "unemployment rate" included EVERYBODY who didn't work, it would include newborn infants.  Obviously, newborn infants are not considered "unemployed."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29 and you've already had 20 years of active military service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'its called medical chapter lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he has a DeLorian'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Ironclad on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wait hold on, 29 and with a 17 year old? That's creepy, dude. Rule is half your age plus seven.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'again didn't think of all angles :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're fit for duty or you're not...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Btw, age of consent is 18 in AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you are a pedo, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newborn infants are not of working age....sorry they would be excluded by law'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That's how he survived being shot 49 times in a day. In the future, medicine is very advanced...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably molest the baby too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no one ever said we were sleeping together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's odd my grandma is 76 and my grandpa is 64?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you said you were going for a second baby, the implication is kinda there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadowsdie doesn't know how babby are formed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said earlier you were trying for another little shit loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah well no one caught on when i said i was kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means that in order to do so, you need to fuck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'who would father this second kid? immaculate conception?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so they survey? I am sure that is accurate just like exit polls'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where did the current kid come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But hey, by all means, come on out here to my rig'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'the criminal guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure the rig hands would love to beat the shit out of you for trespassing on site.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah was a survey type thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Really? We're doing the "my friend will beat you up" thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and also no one said i was pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla it's never "accurate" but the point is that the unemployment rate doesn't include elderly, students, disabled peoples, etc... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'otherwise the number would be much much higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'how many times do i have to mention what assuming means?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they will be arrested since its against the law to beat someone for trespassing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're right, nobody here said you were pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think when Ironclad says he's in the military, he really means he's a civil war reenactor or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im so tired of repeating that..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Please, do tell.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. ok. do you want a second child, or not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since he claims the vehicles don't use petroleum.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when you assume you make an ass of U and ME         ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah but not now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when im done with college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'btw jet fuel is kerosene'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'however many children she has is not an yones business really....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can make naplam with gasoline and orange juice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of 'college' ?  What major?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'shadow it was never a good idea to start making things up "as a joke" when people are debating your situation, for all we know now the entire thing is a joke cleverly perpetrated by your and irconclad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I always used gasoline and styrofoam'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What's the oj for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you'll be able to sort of take of Mr. Shell Shocked over there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, frozen orange juice concentrate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'hey i'm in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no no i assure you im a mickey ds lackey with a 4 month 3 week daughter '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'The OJ covers the aftertaste.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i look forward to being unemployed once i complete my phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you take time off a lot and dump responsibilities on your non-childed co-workers too, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'let's pay able-bodied people to do nothing, makes more sense than putting them to work?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hopefully it wont last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'that is what moos do, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Feeding McDonalds to a child seems rather dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im majoring in pysch i didnt say i was going to be a pyschiatrist gwyn what was that about assuming? i forgot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of americans feed their kids fast food.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Which seems... dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when a person assumes they make an ass out of themself and you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can prolly make some decent money as a wetnurse, with time to care for the little one...helps make your tits bigger in the process...it's like win/win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is why they are overweight and allergic to things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont feed her mcdonalds especially considering she cant eat solids..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should always include as a preconditional statement your observation on the things not done at home that you purchase in the store with the machines who sometimes do the work that you purchase the result of before aiming at the unemployed, negating all eligations and showing how lazy they actually are in theirs misguided fortune'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genetically modified high fructose corn syrups'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you major in something....to not do it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was a psych major in indergrad psychiatrists are actually doctors psychologists are what you get with a BA in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i cant produce milk actually sorry abe about your dream that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all pysch majors do something else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you breastfeed your daughter, and you eat McDonalds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'on the other hand, I raised my daughter for the first 5 years of her life on 100% organic food, and when we hit the road, and were having fun eating non-organics, she got her first fever ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'abelinc isnt that what college is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you won't be tit-feeding the loaf in public'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no you can major in pysch and take a few biology and anatomy courses and be a dr'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Starling on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm glad you like my choice of words, Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it makes your point mean more than the same thing unexplained all the time, questioning whether you're the reason their life sucks or whether you would like it differently - most people don't bother with such conventionalities though, cause they're kind of arcane'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so it is good to balance things out and keep healthy but also immune to things that are not good for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling has wheat fixation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need the bio/anatomy courses to be a dr...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well seriously, who wants to see a moo tit-feeding her loaf, exposing her ugly udders for all and sundry to see?  PUKE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that may lead to anal retention :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a few biology and anatomy courses?! you mean like, medical school? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'alcohol is yeast excrement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ive just never seen it being used so often as a metaphor for baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'at least one year is a requirement for specialization i want'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling has many metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'to be in'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything is excrement if you think about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that was all Starling Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'honey is bee shit, is it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm honey.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they make honey to feed their loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no puke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, regurgitation, close enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wax is shit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And no, if it's whole wheat, it has a decent amount of fiber in it, will keep you taking healthy shits and avoid colon cancer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'guinea pigs (and i think some rabbits) eat their own excrements in order to be more efficient with nutrient absorption'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that wont avoid colon cancer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if you take a healthy shit you avoid colon cancer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pigs eat their own shit cause they can'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'pigs who eat their own shit are getting a deficient diet to begin with.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'same as some of the debaters here, come to think of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Is that a metaphor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they seriously need someone to feed them something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Stop making me hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that website explains that people "available to work" are extrapolated against via a survey of 60,000 people. It says the statistics are faulty and extrapolated. The age starts at 16. If you look futher there are at least 6 definitions of unemployment that are all argued over'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, they report on multiple different rates, for the different definitions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in summary unemployment figures are a fictional guestimate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why, they have been lying to me, the loaf eating pigs!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you learn about the different types of enployment and unemployment senior year in highschool in economy class.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they're getting you ready'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so next year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ass will the availability of tenure-track positions in universitys increase in 6 years?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ignore the ass part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thought you were talkin to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'agree, kids do some of the most amazing things without even knowing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i already completed highschool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i graduated early'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ass is a trigger word, Modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's different, and yes you keep all your property.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ass triggers my moon BASE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yeah she's to smart actually scares me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Getting a GED is not "completing high school"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats happenening? i'm seeing other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'are there any professors that play aard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not from accredited institutions :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, I know one of them, although he's been inactive lately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ucla i know that thanks for making an ass out of u and me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yeah, kids do amazing things.  Babble incoherently, shit themselves, break things, disrupt everyone else's dinner out, am I missing anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'darn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'don't you do that to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'say the darndest thingS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You must be speaking from personal experience, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, kick your seat on the airplane, gotta love when kids do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Drain you of everything that's good in life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or are you saying you were never a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she was never a kid, she was botted as an adult.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except i wasnt an ass because i cant send tells. it tells me you dont exsist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, another bingo "You were a kid once!" and "Kids will be kids!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean she was shit out as an adult loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spelling the name correctly? :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was asked to teach entertainment law courses at a local college '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, and that's why I hate them, because they're kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'have not decided if i will do it.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I was never a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what  a loaf she was, too, the cause of permanent hemorrhoids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'loaf-bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'let your kids run wild and free, because as the old saying goes, "let your kids run wild and free"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I give up...like talking to a brick wall with cracks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I specifically remember wanting to act like an adult from as far back as I can remember.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In some ways yes and in some ways no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still enjoy, for example, splashing in puddles and going sledding in winter :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, Ironclad, are you saying that Starling is on crack?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry dude, I don't know what to tell you.  Kids fucking suck, they're boring as all hell, they do nothing special.  There is nothing special about having them.  I mean come on, even rats in a back alley can fuck and reproduce, so what's so special about a human doing it.  If you're so complete devoid of creativity and life that you see kids as 'amazing' then it's your own problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do something else with your life, hell, re-enlist and serve your country or some shit.  That's a lot more meaningful than shitting out some ugly brats who will probably go to prison anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'have you had kids starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet that Starling was hated as a child, here depictions are not of the usual kids I see around. She must have been a terror.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'starling, he's 29 and with a 17 year old, he clearly has no problem with kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FUCK no, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'uh what, 29 year old with a 17 year old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'errrr ok.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she can't drop loaves, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea dont knock it til you tried it, crackloaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Statistically speaking, will a child born to an underage mother be more likely to reproduce while underage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And they're EXPENSIVE.  Apparently a kid costs 250,000 dollars from 0 to 18, NOT including college.  Fuck that noise, gonna spend that cash on myself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, how much did you cost?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Very true, Scurvy, very true.  I fear for that baby when she gets a little older and starts getting boobies and hips.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what you mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I shudder to think of it, Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she's calling Ironclad a pervert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling is a woman?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what "she" claims :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'possibly. i dont think anyone knows for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like clarice in silence of the lambs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dna is not definitve :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh yes i could work on publishing if i want. In the legal world people publish anyway so it wouldnt be much different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Clarice is not even a woman irl :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And to head off the bingo "You have no idea what it's like, you don't have any kids", I respond with:  On the contrary, I do have an idea, that's why I don't want any!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, we get it, you got pregnant as a teenager, sold your child and now are anti-kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NO, not like Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.  I have never seen that movie, never even heard of it till I made this char.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was 'clarice starling' in silence of the lambs, wasn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Apparently?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or is that not how you spell it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i prefer anthony hopkins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not sure if this has been answered, but Ironclad, did you knock Shadowsdie up?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's an ugly woman, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'jodie foster was too political'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the starling is a suicidal bird, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she fucked some other dude, Sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who, very smartly, bailed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'afk'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh that answers it then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'back did i miss anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'correct me if I'm wrong. Ironclad claims to be a Medal of Honor nominee, 2 time Iraq veteran, super intelligent, came home, and married a 17 year old girl that has a kid fathered by someone else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you guys did nothing with 'jodie foster is too political'?  i'm lobbing em over the plate here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'super intellegent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oh right, super intellegent, my bad :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wow, either the chick is super hot, or the dude is fucking stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an old white republican to me but hey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'she must be pretty hot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When I saw Foster in Silence of the Lambs the only thing I could think  was the she looked better than she did when she did "Little foxes".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I wouldn't go after a hot single mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so the dude is fucking stupid :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the girl being hot doesn't improve that situation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope not, Elyce. Let me do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly elyce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'And historically, I have low standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have no standards at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'maybe they're brother and sister :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Foster looks chronically depressed in all her movies, so she has little appeal to me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I mean, their parents did "date".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her parents were both nice guys, leave them out of this.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'supposedly they've been friends forever, but 12 years age difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hence my brother and sister argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so she was 5 when it started?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not so bad, Sneak. I have an aunt and uncle that have that age difference. Been married 34 years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, did your aunt have child before the marriage though ? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'depends when they started'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she had a child when she was very young, yes. An only child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so exact same scenario?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he is not her first husband. Her first husband was shot and killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, but thats different.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'from what'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the father of this child left.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i still think it'd be more interesting to argue about jodie foster'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so, child out of wedlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'different from husband that passed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the father of the child was killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm comparing scenarios :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but to a second husband what difference does that make? You are not claiming something about "virtue", are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm claiming something about intelligence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my aunt got a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'sorry, intellegence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what's her number?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'not sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '34F'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'her family was on the brink of bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yet they could still afford a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's possible. Bankruptcy doesn't mean you are broke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos money is temporary, boobs are forever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'diamond boobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'broke people typically can't afford bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckmisterfullerine boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'is that a real thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckminsterfullerines? yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'wait, that's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I misspelled it the first time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'darn, i thought it was a play on words, and i was all like, buck, huh?  i could pull that together, pull a few strings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was appropriate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just following the obscure logic there, from boobs that are forever, to diamond boobs, to...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you know a lot about bacon lube'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis.l'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Assholes, now you have me mischanning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Assholes ... interesting given the discussion about lube.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are anal retentive, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, the Superbowl, with its over-embellished and generally terrible renditions of classic American songs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's a tradition'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which part?  The American songs, or butchering them so badly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dear lord, butcher our national anthem more, bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's better than the last song.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe grins evilly at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They both should have been hooked off stage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ron Paul.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we all agree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I was hoping the very mention of his name would cause a massive clusterfuck of an argument.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kylrig cackle
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems to me we have to choose either a shitbag, or Dr. Paul. i dont agree with all he has to say, but he is a true human being who cares'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I concur'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol he had me at legalize weed and audit the fed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Mark 5:11, 15:11-18, 5:15, John 11:51 and the media, any similarities?  somehow i see them being related'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and we won the pac 12 south being horrible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I love Madonna's "Like a Prayer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Makes me think of the P-51 Mustang'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_schools_with_the_most_national_championships'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they need the first down'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank worthlrss sockcucker motherfcucker shitwag you failus, i will not nuy any  oroductbt will bad wiltt d/ u will shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hrm'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tourrets?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bad hair day, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at a ray of sunshine, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Sonshi, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she could get a job as a subject at any research lab :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or... hasn't been mean for a whole day, so it overflowed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her cup runneth over?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I heard she had an A cup anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'starling wtf are u saying is that even english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it can't be a kid randomly whacking her keyboard...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is English if you account for the large amout of froth that went with it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she feels misunderstood, and rightly so. I bet that the sound of what she said was even worse :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh and i heard you were talking shit to my sister yesterday'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, oh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dose anyone know what she was saying to shadowdies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean that 5 hour "debate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't dare repeat anything I heard at that session :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'if thats it i also heard i was put in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lots of stuff about loaves :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'all i know is my sister won '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'never did get a jodie foster response'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'isn't that cute'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '(havoks impersonation) loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow but one thing i do know is she dose not give up or lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"win" would be a rather strong word :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'trust me there was nothing to win....it was not a civil conversation or worth repeating'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had a high degree of entertainment at some point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Once you gave up any hope for humanity I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'sounds like it was funnyer then hell then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in hindsight it was pretty amusing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny changed to sad pretty quickly'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had its moment. A laugh track might have helped though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just so you know, not giving up isn't the same as winning...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ucla speaks for me from now on :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sad and funny aren't mutually exclusive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tom brady didn't give up either'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'loser!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well i dont remember it being both at the same time...at first was amusing then after the 3rd hour it was really lame and sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and repetitive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'i heard ironclad had some good points in then she got stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you heard wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might describe how it went :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'got it backward?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it reminded me of grade school during recess :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did abe get distracted by debate and die?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Ironclad's argument essentially consisted of repeated assertions of his own superiority and how much starling sucks with very little to back it up. Not really any 'good points' involved.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say he was wrong :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dame '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to tell you the truth, the loyalty trip was a bit worn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'what she relly need is a life or a good lay lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suspect large amounts of alcohol or other drugs were involved :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'did she get in to a redneck spot'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'in the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dude, the blind loyalty was getting boring last night already, you logging on to try and continue the same argument tonight is just silly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Let me put it this way, I think it sums it up. One side, got her boyfriend on to defend her, and the other side threatened that the rig hands would beat up said boyfriend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Need I say more?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it said 'If said boyfriend trespassed to carry out HIS threats, rig hands would beat up.''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Details?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have no logs, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh? What was with the loyalty thing and rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No I mean those are just details'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The jist remeains the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was it in the second half? Was afk-ish a bit there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"remains"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i also said that they would all be arrested for assault since you can not protect property or defend against trespassing with force'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the loyalty thing was when the bf logged on to try and defend her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i really would rather that be the end of rehashing any of that "conversation"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whose?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ohhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ironclad got on to defend her'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when really, it should've been 'oh c'mon honey, people on the internet are idiots and trolls, don't give them what they want''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one of the truest things ive hear on debate yet Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without any relevant statements to defend her other than "she's smarter than all you assholes"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ya to much '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Don't you mean 'more intellegent' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh boy... I'm tempted to pull up my logs now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that had to be entertaining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dont plz i heard to much when i got on last night'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hey, you are the one who restarted the whole conversation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tonight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and according to her, you grabbed her keyboard and typed shit last night ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let's see... what to debate today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'e-h'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smart move! Ixle tries to start some discussion about the weather, hoping no one noticed his last mischan.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'well if u whant to its no big but i think it was a hole wast of my time i only ask because i was put some were in that debate the rest i dont care '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If it's a waste of your time, then stop talking about it and it will blow over.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'that was a little rude sorry  '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only way you were put into the debate was that shadow told us how wonderful she was for saving you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hopefully she didn't strain her shoulder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What none of you got to see whas an actual debate about taxes vs social programs which Wyza and I had quite cordially on clantalk. It made me feel much better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aww... why can't you talk about taxes and social programs somewhere where I can see...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or the economy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we've tried but ive noticed a lot of opinion not backed by any facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the larger a community gets, the more immature people ruin any discourse.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ill tell you one thing its all bullshit '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree demoneyeskyo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'good point ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the ignore list goes up to ten...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i played on a smaller mud and people got to know each other a little more and it was more cordial....but i forget that there are 400 people on here at any time'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at you.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Ucla, if you stay here long enough you will know all the usual suspects.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'definitely alters the dynamic for conversations'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Isn't it amazing how 1 starling and 1 shadowsdie can overpower 20 ucla's, majics, havoks, abelincs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'it happons at home to'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think Limburger cheese :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not with ignore they can't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get that feeling....I'm just saying because of the sheer number of folk playing there is bound to be some fools....Im also big enough to admit that sometimes i am the fool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ignoring a cancerous tumour doesn't make it stop masticizing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant prove that ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can in about 10 years when my cigarettes catch up with me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'starlings don't metastasize'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol perhaps'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially sterile starlings'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi ftw'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow sounds like she's a beoch'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'or he or what ever it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, now, retract your claws.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wonder why Undertaken Anaristos slammed Havoks's head with a mallet.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'comparing results in nevada (89% reporting) to florida: romney's up .3%, gingrich down 10.5%, paul is up 11.6%... is this meaningful?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'after perusing the debate history, i actually am amazed that this conversation was brought up again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure it is meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'im off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if romney will ever hit 50%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'siphillis is up .3%, gonorrhea is up 10.5% and herpes simplex II is up 11.6%. Meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you bring it up to troll ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'meaningful to those who rub against doorknobs :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i'm not american but are the republican candidates just particularly bad this time around?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean there is a time when they are not bad?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'bad??? hrm...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, and yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'particularly bad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean yes and no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are par for the course, Havoks :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Woot, havoks is here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fun thing is to watch the donald trying to be a kingmaker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'is there such a thing as a good politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh god that was hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'define good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can you spell oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'll give a good politician, Gabbie Giffords.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'wouldnt know. havent met one yet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Google it if you don't know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she is no longer a politician, so that makes here excellent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the one that got shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before she was shot I would worry she knew where my wallet was. I no longer worry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what made/makes her a good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I would've said Anthony Weiner about 8 months ago...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what do you mean, anaristos?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@havoks, caring about her neighbors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean I don't trust any politician.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka knows where the wallet is
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Dude, where's my wallet?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that sounds helpful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'odd that she was on the targeted list of politcians that the sara palin camp put out, on the pamphlet that invited followers to "reload"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean, if you don't know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are looking for your wallet, ask your congressman :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my sister said that obama is "the coolest president" the US has had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'but i reminded her that clinton played the sax'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that should be a nationwide campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that's pretty cool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ooh, Stretcher is going for the conspiracy theory.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I heard a funny quote the other day, "Blows jobs are better than NO jobs."'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, Palin, I like. I can think of oodles of thing I'd do to her :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'a crazy person shot giffords, so i doubt that it was the reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'clinton is one of the most charismatic people i have ever met...regardless of his marital issues i liked the guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'not conspiracy, but still an unintended effect they should have taken more responsibility for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'crazy people listen to the media too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, let's see. A crazy person shot Cleveland, Kennedy, Reagan, Wallace, and RFK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so media hype should be more civil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its not a good idea to put out a pamphlet with politicians names and targets on their districts, with the suggestion to rearm and reload'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'media hype can be considered to be responsible for some cases of insanity all by itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'right on stretcher'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'hrm...what about lincoln?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the media is piece of shit. Remember the 96 Olympics?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'irresponsible IMO'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '96 olympics... remind me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Lincoln is iffy. The jury is still out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'there were two countries when lincoln got did, if the CSA put out some hit stuff oh well, the US does it other countries leaders, but we shouldnt do that to ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing makes me think of spirituality is how can a single person be so rotten and directly exploit countless other's lives for his own amusement and purposes, and rest assured about anything around him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the security guard who saved people's ass with the bomb? Then he became an FBI person of interest and the media raped him? When it was found out that, in fact, he had be a hero of sorts the media didn't even bother to apologize for their literary lynching.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'anyway, in the palin - giffords case, palin and her advertising people should have accepted indirect responsibility for a badly planned marketing campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'plus that was 1865(?) i hope we are more civilized now'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they actually have inner peace?  i don't feel very good when i do minor thing's for instance, they must have something like that going on in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'instead they try to spin it that critics are accusing her of planning the whole thing... ridiculous spin'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please don't use words like "civilized" in mixed company, Stretcher.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yeah it was really tacky in a "some people got shot" way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher apologizes by exposing his genitals
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i wasn't paying attention in 96... i only vaguely remember the incident'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'olympic bombing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'atlanta bombing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, i know, but the details... i'll have to look up'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was a media circus, they camped at his house, I mean. The world media was so thick around his home he couldn't spit without hitting a camera man. I dug into his life, they turned every little incident into a meaningful clue as to his evilness, they raped him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like the anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, the non-anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'makes you think that the next time someone sees a bomb, they will quietly walk away :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd like to see what they see with their mind makes them feel so good about how they get by in life, it must be quite the indifferent horror show'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of crazy people shooting politicians... While I am sure that they are deeply sadden by the unfolding events, the other guys sure as hell take advantage of the political windfall such an act brings about :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, yeah, everyone was disgusting there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm crazy, my sayings aren't linked to any individual, they're maybe common to most of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, LBJ didn't say, "Hey, you shot Kennedy? Well, fuck you, I am not going to take the presidency, asshole".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was sort of understandable to me... when palin and her groupies didn't acknowledge any sort of bad decision making, that it would get the other side angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'LBJ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but, they wanted to do that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'LBJ was VP when JFK was shot, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what does it stand for. i know it as lebron james'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lyndon Banes Johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lydon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lyndon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Baines*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not that kind of crazy though, that kind of crazy is acting on your fear, mine is tearing it apart and finding it's reason before i decide that anything legitimate is worth doing for it - i see crazy in alot of places that people think are normal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'LBJ, must be a basketball player'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lyndon is a weird name to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that should have raised suspicions!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Nixon didn't say "Well, do you think that just because you shot Wallace and removed the only obstacle I had I am going to continue running for president? Hell, no. I am quitting the campaign"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we just watched the kennedys mini series on netflix it was pretty entertaining'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thinking person knows that to solve a problem that exists through the ignorance of limitless other people, you can't use force to erase a problem, you can only attack an avatar of that tendency being reinforced by your action for later, grinding points'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't let the name fool you. Lyndon was worse than JR. :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I actually have a book from about 94 that has pictures of jfks corpse'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the morgue pictures are under suspicion, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the physical findings didn't concur with what the.govt had stated'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in my opinion, that's so long term though, so without the range of this one person's lifetime and ability to enforce perfectly into the world around them, computer's and dummying up people under them might solve this problem a bit for the one who can't accept the other way of doing things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah because the autopsy exam had peeled his skull back'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if you watch the video of him being.shot you.can see that the man who wrote the book seems to make more sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the biggest problem with the pictures is that they don't appear to show the extent of the wounds as verbally described in the autopsy, nor their location.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I believe he.could have done a great job with our country. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are still bitter about jesus being crucified, and i wonder how many of them ever met them or received any actual blessing that wasn't a misinterpretation of their own self-deception praised by a priest as being a miracle from an extraneous source beyond themself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for one thing, the doctors described the scalp as being almost excised. Hanging by thin straps of skin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book i have ever read "a higher court" its supposed to be a fictional novel about a trial over whether god exists or not but it turned out to be religious drivel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'your right in the report they state that the neck wound wasn't even found until they found a bullet in his chest and the path lead to the neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds very Kafkaesque :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'due to a tracheaotomy idk if I spelt that right'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tracheotomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I honestly like the idea the Romans Greeks had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it actually was a  tracheostomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I enjoy the stories of Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what crimes did a 5 year old holodomor repeat in starving africa do in the eyes of Ma'at or Justice Scale?  for all are sinners, born dirty of a woman, that's quite the crime'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I have no idea.but you know what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to explain stuff, that makes so much sense that i can't even detail why like the lawyer of the saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I meant to just say Greek'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in the holy books though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they are similar but in one you just cut without intubating while with the other you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'It's hard to type on a not so smart phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people contending with jesus saying they're not born of woman, but their father who art in heaven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Frankly, Druzil, Mary (or someone) came up with that story in order to justify the result of  overactive hormones :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that's almost like saying you're under the.assumption that alah said ALL the virgins are female'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they come in lots of 72.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'penguins are sinner's, they're not as smart as the people destroying their habitat, new synthetic generations will be more maleable to man's cute toy poodle's made of plastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If I had to deal with 72 virgins I would certainly die, and by then I wouldn't care if I made it to heaven :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that sounds skind of gross to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'number 41, front!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all stinky and bloody and savage, who wants to have sex with 72 virgins'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'just work on your game and you can do it in real life'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I hope they have viagra in heaven.. for your sake'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Yeah I'd rather have some ladies with experience'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and who's to say they are.human?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a tremendous drive to always finish a project :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'You're right, Shadows. What if they are Twi'lekian?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ewww'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or gorillas'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I think I defniitely prefer the Twi'leks..'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what do you think Noah did for 40 days and 40 nights? '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or halflings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he fornicated with his daughters when they reached the dry land'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't remember it perfectly though, he held out until then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of Noah, someone has actually published a book detailing the life of the real Noah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he did nothing because he was a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so anaristos. what you're saying is he actually drowned and the ark was his form of alahs heaven?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they always fornicated with their daughters, that was SOP in those days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do find fish skeletons 2000 feet below the ground in some parts of america, indicating stuff like great flood maybe happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's 72 raisins you infidels!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'raisins as in shriveled grapes? or as in old saggy women'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after whatsherface turned to a pillar of salt, Lot's daughters got him drunk and had their ways with him. What they didn't know is that he didn't swallow as much wine as they thought he did. He was fairly sober.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love the Bible. Porn with an attitude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Greek mythology is theoretically porn... just with one main character zues'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Abraham getting his wife to show some skin for Nabukodonosor so that he relented and let them leave :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'at least greek mythology was kind enought to label itself a myth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, no it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we now call it a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jacob porking his maid because his wife was barren :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that was meant to be sarcastic....'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the greek thought is real :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tis true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I don't even know what a tick is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its a bug that pestors dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Greek mythology was a big time scam. People used it to shed responsibility for their actions. Whenever they did something that would get them the needle in current society, they would just say that the gods made them do it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean like confession?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say that's true of all religions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unfortunately for my father that way of thinking is taboo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and the bibble differs how from that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Oh, I wasn't point to the bible in that respect. I was just mentioning the juicy parts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Noah arc is Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Pandora box also'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and Pandora is mentioned I. the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'is*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of mythology was shared by many people. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Arabs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'animalia'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Greek myth was way way before the bubble sorry '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched this show call cities of the underworld once, and they was in turkey or somewhere near there, at this old , second most famous ancient doctor's facility, he dealt with people's heads and stuff in spiritual healing they say - the priests would get people stoned on drugs and have them walk through this long tunnel with a stream trickling through by their feet - and from the roof of this tunnel are slots cut where the priests/doctors would whisper words they wanted installed in their minds down upon them thinking it'd be like hearing voices from god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is a theory that the bible was a conglomeration of stories from conquered regions of the world put together to give people something to share and not rebel against the conquerors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of that theory are proven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this came to mind when i notice how some churches have those booth's set up, with a little speaking opening and a man you call father (through) on the other side, like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the story of genesis was stolen from the chaldeans'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they would point to african stories that are basically the same as noahs arc pre-dating the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'note the Catholic Trinity and comapre it to the Egyptian trinity which was brought by the Assyrians. Isis, Hours, and Osiris.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Horus*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the exodus from egypt, let my people go, did not happen to the jews. that story, too, was stolen'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and many parallels have been drawn between JC and Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'euro trip status'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly a place in ethiopea where the ark of the covenant might be too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and lots of pagan stories too as they conquered northern europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Flood came from India. Which also has a trinity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some holy man watches over it for the last 500 or more years they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in India si called Trimurti.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a theory that the cultural clothing that are put on ideas like a trinity , one supreme being etc are just covering a deeper patern- this is archetypical theory '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said before, their is a published book detailing the "real" life of Noah. They still think that Ararat is near the place where he landed after the flood.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, it could flow the other way. Freud's Id, Ego and Alter Ego or psychoanalysis Parent, Child, Adult. One is copying the other, I don't actually know which direction it flows.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Egyptians were kind of kinky about theirs, though. Isis was Osiris' sister and wife, mother of Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ok I'm just playing favs now so I'll go Jung over Freud but interesting point '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think Jung discovered LSD before it became public :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, with all due respect, the man tittered at the edge :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are over 6600 type of hallucinagenic plants in the world and alomst all have been used in rituals '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have work to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've only tried 2200 :('
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some places i read/seen that they still do bad things with some rituals too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Bad things like overcharging for a dime bag.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with retuals is that they are rituals. The original act was probably quite beneficial, but as it was passed down through lore they screwed it up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they forget why they did what they did in the first place and substitute it with "let's do something, no matter what".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jews not eating pork, for instance. They stopped eating pork originally becuase trichinosis was running rampant. If you ask now days why they don't eat pork they will tell you that it is part of their religion. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but well cooke pork is essentially harmless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. bacon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I agree in part although what a few ppl have done since is tried to pare rituals down into constituent parts and rework them into simple usable and direct forms '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one advantage of rituals is that they require little thought. That has great appeal :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once something's mystified it's almost impossible to overcome'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is impossible to overcome if you don't analyze it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you could argue that since you may need to access a deeper mindset that the less thought in a ritual the better :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take modern day traffic lights. Police will give you at ticket for walking through a red light ad 4AM with a traffic density of .05 vehicles an hour. They invoke the rule without giving thought as to why the rule exists in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what makes it worse is that the light will take 15 minutes to change :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep damn those acolyte cops for not imprinting the significance of red=5=mars=sulphur= etc etc etc in thier subconscience so when they use red in their traffic light ritual it resonated on a deeper level !'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Tzadkiel in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, English only on this channel, Tzadkiel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  eats fake goths for breakfast :)
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a slightly serious not the whole this trinity is the same as that trinity is listed in a book called 777 by A Crowley , interesting stuff '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is a late comer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very , just the only place I have seen it done across so many religons and in number form - used the Kabbalists tree of life as a base'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Frazers "The Golden Bough" is considered one of the earlier great works on the subject '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Hmmm, is it alright for schools to suspend students for dancing explicitly at dances?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. Keep your pants on you horny freaks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav :(
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'school events are covered by school policy, which is pretty handy since schools can be sued if something were to happen to your kid there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Suspension is a little far though, they now have to put that on their college applications, removal from the dance seems more appropriate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Seriously. Teenagers do not make good decisions. Some do, I shouldn't say all, but frankly teen pregnancy is on the rise and it can cripple a life if not handled properly. Teenagers have proven they can't be trusted with overt sexuality and life-long decisions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not just teenagers. adults too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'will dancing less explicitly prevent sex?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I fully endorse Footlease in lieu of sex ed in schools.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...Footlease? Footloose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens have a valid medical reason for making theirs, though.  Their brains haven't finished developing yet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol grins evilly at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that leaves the adult population with a serious problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's true, teenagers are prone to making bad decisions because they don't have the brainpower yet to think through all the consequences.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and adults have it, and don't use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think thats offensive hanslanda, its not that they dont have the capacity to think of the consequences, its that judgement of risk-reward is not developed (which is true scientifically)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Faulty connections also lead to a proven dysfunction in reading other people's emotions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a different study, I think, Kongol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens largely don't have the ability to determine unintended consequences, in addition to not being able to effectively judge them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'neither do adults. what's the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'And is dancing explicitly the worst mistake you can make, i mean really, having to put the equivilant of sexual harassment on your college applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '? ... I... don't think those are the same, or considered the same at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'harassment is probably better than indecency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think you must see examples of dancing unexplicitly and dancing explicity, they are not to far off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well I'm assuming if the school is reacting this harshly to it, it was probably 'explicit', as descriptive as that is, enough to warrant a response.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I probably wouldn't recognize the difference.  I've long since failed the innocence test and saw the magic penis appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Indeed, the problem was defiance truly, the student was warned several times before being suspended but almost every student that goes is warned once'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They were warned several times and kept going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I bet he's regretting THAT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'she and he '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But I mean, ok, I admit I was fucking with you earlier. That response is way too harsh for something as silly as teenagers being horny, it's what teenagers do. But my sympathy wavers if they were warned several times but kept going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'That individual student imo deserves it, but the principle of suspending students based upon dirty dancing is a stretch in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe. But if they're generous with the warnings beforehand, then the students get what they deserve.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If it was a 1 warning, then suspension. I'm with you, but by the 3rd warning, you should realize you've had your fun and wait for the after-dance party to grind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'well grinding is perfectly fine, its bending over and grinding thats what we get in trouble for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well shit, it's a school function. You shouldn't even need a stated warning telling you that's going to get you in trouble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's just common sense.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'which we determined earlier teenagers lack :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And those two dancers just proved :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'heh private school's prom got shut down for it last year, cut the music and everything, while on a boat '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...was it a nautical themed dance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'define nautical'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of common sense, PETA v Seaworld just opened up in US District Judge Jeffrey Miller's courtroom.  He's going ahead with the case to determine whether civil rights apply to animals in captivity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'boat-related.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i have no clue, cuthbert, it was a prom that was on a boat that's all i know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's too bad, man. That's going to eat at me all night now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does the black man on the green mile symbolize john the baptist eating wild locusts and honey?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he plays the kingpin on daredevil too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'he also is on two and a half men for a season'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white farmer called his daughters honey in the story, and he spat some locusts into percy who shot the guy the black man seen doing the crimes before he came to assist'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'be more interesting if it was like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I always saw him as a straight up Jesus allegory. He even dies for the sins of someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus didn't die for the sins of someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he died because it was the smartest thing to do politically'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, in a "everyone else, ever" sense he did? But I mean, it's a parallel, right? Not a copy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh ho ho, I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well played.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the high priest of the jews in the start of the gospel story is the false prophet who is mentioned in revelation, his prophecy involved strategizing and telling his servants to socially engineer the crowd to save the murderer and kill jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pharisees and saducees are demonically possessed chiefs of demons'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, you hit his on switch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's religion for you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and therefore, what better way to get the vote of the crowd than to rush to your death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mine's different than everybody elses'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media is like the crowd being engineered by the jew's servant's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus wasn't exactly a terrorist, but he rather thinks like one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i write my own interpretation of history and religion reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He thought like a leader, and frankly, is probably the most successful one in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the successful ones died of old age, Jesus decided to leave early.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Son of God or not, doesn't matter, that man started a movement that still picks up followers 2 millenia later.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gotta respect a guy who's good at what he does.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except religion is simply ancient politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'islam is a faster growing religion than christianity'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a murdering bishop selected the 4 authentic gospels 1600 years ago i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lies work just as well as historical accuracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'around the same time as islam and genghis khan used both'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in that respect, jesus is secong place'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Jesus is an ancient analog for Lady Gaga.  Everything he did was "handled".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, Islam holds Jesus as one of their higher saints, and he's recognized as a prophet by the religion... at least last I heard.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the story faust mentions a israeli interpreted mephistopheles sending the doctor to the pope's bedroom for a meal and appearing as the angel gabriel to muhammed'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was written in 14th century germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So the rise of Islam is still the spread of the belief that Jesus was a prophet of god, your point just backs up my point :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not exactly. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Moses was a much better and more effective leader.  He even looks like God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said he was the greatest due to conversion. if that is the basis, then mohammed trumos'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim keeps in mind that people are, and have always been, full of shit
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I... never brought up conversion rates?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said as a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting lost for 40 years isn't all that effective leadership }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the G-summit's bring baphomet's mountain goat to mind, which is surrounded by riot police with rifles interpreted as the flaming mount that could not be touched in teh bible, where moses talked with the gods'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then jesus is second :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'baal-berith is one jehovah worshipped in the old testament'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the men are flames is a key to that metaphor, like the people are waters , moses parting the sea, god is not the author of confusion and the tower of babel confounding their speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In conversion rate? Not only was that never a point, but completely neglects volume in favor of speed. Faster rates != more followers, though, as I said, is so far from the original point that I'm not sure if you're trolling, or really just dumb enough to pick a fight about something that's going to get a lot of sensitive people pissed off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'causing division, a temple divided against itself - how shall it stand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have come to that spiritual place called egypt says jesus in teh gospel, like the eye on the pyramid on your dollar bills'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone trolls on Debate channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is like baal-berith some more, same cult that existed when the stories were written'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and clarify, waht is the original point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he demands human sacrifice, blood letting and other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The original point, if you'd read properly, was that the man started a movement that's still going 2 millena later. And that's worthy of respect, not a comparison of the two largest (I believe) religions in the world, and which leader was better. That's just... a dumb, dumb, dumb conversation to have in public.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can reason out how the world is so rotten through him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'odd. upon researching christianity, one finds that jesus was nto talked about for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'because it is a political story stolen from many that came before?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and who started te movement? i doubt it was him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thousands'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early churh started the movement'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your research failed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things for sale with .99 cents added to their advertisements instead of an even number, scents and cents, makes sense doesn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arcane mystology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just blowed my mind, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus married a hooker, and for the longest time the church took that to mean that hookery was a holy act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just stated one of their building blocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'masonic monkeys or whatever their god is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no, christ as savior was not a big selling point of christianity for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hanslanda's research was done by watching last temptation'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'last paragraph of the illumination of the adept '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really fail to see where you're going with this Ohm. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'how is he a great leader?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i say, not at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A leader is a face, not necessarily the ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he led, if the gospels are to be believed, 12 people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And, as I've stated simply several times now, 2000 years later, people still talk about him and his movement, no matter how altered, is still moving forward with him as the figurehead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he is not leading this movement 2000 years later. the churches are'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still the CEO, if you will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and they are getting well paod for this. not exactly something to be proud of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't read the gospels, if you think they say he lead 12 people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what point are you trying to make cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's how.  A man goes up to Jesus and says "Hey you! Stop doing that or I'ma get primeval on yo' ass!".  Jesus can't very well just turn tail and run with so many people watching, so he ignores the guy.  The guy kills Jesus, and everyone else goes "Oh, shit, you killed Jesus! Die, infidel!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'debate so you think we should give george washington all of the credit for america still being here 200 years later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not sure how many people, he led, then :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still a leader, and a leader's success is based on his legacy in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'George Washington however, is not worshipped making your comparison moot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except when the followers become evil hethens and crusade across the land right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'worshipped or not, the man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'make believe figures can't lead anyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You don't follow George Washington anymore, people still follow Jesus believing the Bible is his word. The actual realities of the situation are moot as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpers_Ferry,_West_Virginia the war of 1812, prime minister stephen harper?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more masonic university frat club works'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they follow and invisible superhero who lives in outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's when the scholars get busy, proving why the penned is mightier than the sword.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's the best you can do, Ohm? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Fail troll, dude.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that does not make someone a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'charles washington and thomas jefferson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'many followed zeus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah man, don't even bother. Your credibility is shot since you're clearly just some dick hoping to troll some Christians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'not believing in fictional characters does not make one a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Being a dick about it does '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can almost hear english in finnish if you listen, they speak it faster though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, look at what the bible scholars did to Moses.  Arguably one of the best military minds of all time (in fact, pretty much everyone is still using his maneuvers today), yet his entire life is depicted as a righteous defense of the wronged.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'use different words in english in place of common english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not deing a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And even if you don't believe in Christianity, lots of people don't and they're a LOT of good reasons not to... why be a dick about it? Nobody cares that you think God is a ridiculous concept.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just saying. a leader who is dead is no longer a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone's using the "drown the enemy in a tidal wave" maneuver'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'there are lots of reasons to be a dick about christianity...what with it affecting our laws and standards'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you called jesus a leader. impossible. man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, his kids get to move on with his legacy, like people who worked for the stasi in ww2 war propaganda receiving all of the german wealth and passing it onto invest in our current day'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey you gotta admit if patton would've thought that he could beat the germans by using plagues of frogs and locusts the war might've ended sooner'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's evil money, but the evil man is gone and his kids have it now, so their business is legit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohm, that's pretty narrow minded of you. You're so eager to disagree that you aren't even making an attempt to understand, that's sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'their is something wrong with a religion that brought witch trials in a world with millions of women dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, the numbers were in the thousands, not millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crack head sells a million tonnes of cocaine to your organized criminals and sends his children to american college , under new names registered with the government he owns, they're just hit it lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are in the records of all of europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've got historians on my side man, you really want to pick that fight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now he owns everything you work for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's every rich man in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Go take some history classes, jesus, the witch trials did not kill millions. The population of Europe only numbered in the millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol cuthbert sounds like a little kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? one million?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the witch trials revived european economies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I take it back, you aren't trolling. You just really are that... well, you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you exhalt jesus but wont explain how this religion of your justified killing thousands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. just thousands died at witch trials. not millions'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because I don't need to justify it? I'm neither a Christian nor 'exalting' anything. The simple fact is that this man's name, and legacy, whether contrived or not still lives on 2000 years after his death. That's quite the impact, figurehead or not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in every foreign investors mind he has it that where he invests is at emnity with his great home and using any means neccessary to overtake it is just fine because this is a war that people don't know is being fought'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey it wasn't jesus' fault that people killed in his name, it's not like he was alive leading them at that time ... oh wai...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking for judas iscariots to work for the jews'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do agree with you on that point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i will not go so far as to say he is a leader.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Are you really so ignorant that you think just because someone dies, but others still follow his teachings, that they aren't following him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'are you so ignorant to think a dead man can lead the living?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, do you REALLY need to physically be there to be followed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'others take the reigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In his name.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'only way it stays alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if others take the reigns, then the other lead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in his name maybe, but still a new mans bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in his name or not, he no longer needs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'leads*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But in his name. That's the part you guys aren't picked up on here. It's not who's leading, but who people are following.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er, picking up on here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with Ohm, jesus is not the leader here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. i see where we disagree. no need to attack each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Good for you, Khaim, that your first big boy opinion? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'its the people who profit from the story who continue to propagate it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but the real problem is not in jesus or yahweh or anyone. its the people you profit from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a commandment in the old testament that jews use gods to dominate other nation's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just toys to them, cause they think they know what they're made of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what is the origin of yaweh anyway? a caananite mountain god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real god would understand people's atheist attitudes towards believing in a lie the some jew invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anthitheism*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to invent your own lies i figure'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least then you can give them more detail and weight'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh all history is conjecture and lies anyway, told by the decendants of the victors. everything besides archeo/paleontological remains that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even that is up for debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd in an age of science and reason, people still turn to religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'media is powerful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sure is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe my uncle's saying that the germans were just like us and my other uncles traumatization at world war 2's training facility meant that mostly it was only soldiers being exterminated in the death camps there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'people have a hard time directing thier own lives once given ultimate freedom'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Religion has been around since the dawn of written history, and even oral history carries a religous tone. Religion, or the need for the spiritual, is a part of who we are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe soldiers was given orders to murder eachother and cause casualties of war as they thin the herd across the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure how it all went, but i don't believe what i didn't witness first hand, and not many people survived to know it all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll consider it, but not believe it like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they gave a shit about not repeating the holocaust then the world wouldn't have been like it is today'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When the current religions die out eventually, new ones will pop up to replace them. I have no doubt of that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, history has shown you are right on that one, Cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druz. Cuthbert= i am with ya man, but the origins of that might be lost to us. seems most likely religious/spiritual experience stems strongly from ancient plant psychedelic use. which was then of course labelled heresy and exterminated wherever found by the growing powers that be and had been in the church. much of the reason reasoning people are so angry with christianity, and the similar beliefs used to turn people into killers'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in all fairness, very early christians were quite peaceful. it was not until a unified group of financially motivated interests that it became radically different'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. evidence points also to the idea that such 'financial interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'go back to egypt'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or before'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a nazi or anything, just saying, and since it's a crime to say maybe you see your own nazism'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't immortalize mortal crime's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look for the philosophy that spawned them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the oddest thing about real early converts to christianity was the rejected the importance of material possessions and lived in caves and stuff, away from people, being peaceful. interesting, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'like buddhists. although there is even evidence that early buddhists at one time killed off shamanic tribes in the area. but who knows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bun poh demonology i heard about on pbs has alot to do with buddhism, in nepal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or bon poh however that sounds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'demonology and buddhism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still do it a little bit, blood sacrifices to their demon's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a book called naval of the demoness about some of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is these organizations use these beliefs to promote racism and elietism against people they can take wealth from'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i thought that was more of a christian-esque doctrine'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course it is, do you notice that dr.phil and oprah don't spend time disseminating miss cleo psychic advertisements and the pornographic industry where prostitution is illegal, while they do any original people's controversial / undesireable opinion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high priest of jewsus speaks again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations addicted to criminalized substances'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'institutionalized charlie manson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think those two spend their time pandering to the masses to get paid. not much original thought, there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's hilarious how people notice these discrepencies but don't hold their perpetrator's accountable under national defense law'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the nation trying to defend?  now the government takes on it's shepherds hue'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'as if things arent dystopic enough over here, we feel its our duty to run amok across the globe funding endless struggle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tension and pain is some people's religion, usually they don't take any themselves though, they delight in others'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems more logical, and in line with history, that we indeed do not feel this way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but that our resources are usurped'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Prior to the 20th century, it was a commonly-held belief that nature itself was simple and that simpler hypotheses about nature were thus more likely to be true. This notion was deeply rooted in the aesthetic value simplicity holds for human thought and the justifications presented for it often drew from theology. Thomas Aquinas made this argument in the 13th century, writing, "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do it by means of several'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffices."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor now like the destruction of the world for sending jobs to cheap labour places with all of the minerals and water pollution of your country so you can drive a car and use their byproducts, this way of thing's is smart because occam's razor is smart and man's creations are natural, like the formation of potash over 1.5 billion years under places where life exists on the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that story here we be tygers is pretty cool to consider too, subliminal mind control submemories that people act upon'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think they still use occams razor in debates on the high school and college level'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'xactly, like they teach greek mythology in grade 10 english class while a 12 year old greek boy doesn't know who zeus is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do those twice as fast as the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '30 Minutes until the anouncment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In about 10 minutes, gay people throughout the western part of the United States are going to find out whether or not they will be able to get married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suprise suprise Obama decides to accept super pac funding ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'colbert's PAC?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure which one '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just caught the CBS headlines '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'well, romney is kicking ass as a front runner tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'err, i mean 3rd runner'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also ranner?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'let me just google santorum to see how he's doing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they should get a big L tattooed on their foreheads :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they are clowning around with the nominations, Obama has hit 50% rating for the first time, with a bullet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i'm sure these marshmallow gun photos should help'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/obama-marshmallow-cannon-joey-hudy_n_1260850.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'below... is Trump going to nominate Ann Coulter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his wig must be affecting his brain :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guh, on ALL of these commercials where the woman is depressed and/or can't stop smoking, they ALL HAVE KIDS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Umm, hello moo, no wonder you're fucking depressed and stressed out.  If you hadn't shat those kids out of your filthy twat, maybe you wouldn't be so messed up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fun fact. The *actors* on those commercials aren't actually depressed people o.0'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, but they're depicted as being depressed, and they always have a little ratpack of brats biting at their heels'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means the commercials are being marketed to breeders'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think the implication is if you don't have kids you don't matter, and may as well off yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i think politically correct term is bakers'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You should probably google 'famous people who never had kids' and then tell some of them to 'just off themselves''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what, just because i'm concerned about political correctness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And yes, we childfree already know we don't matter, the (lack of) tax credits for not loaf shitting drive that point home.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are we back to this again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '"we" arent.....you know who is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Vakieh, with all due respect, if you don't have any kids you are failing humanity. Since that is the primary person for anyone being alive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'primary reason*'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the primary 'evolutionary' reason. I don't give a fuck, personally'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'thank god for cloning... soon none of us will be needed at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it doesn't matter we have enough gene samples :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If I have kids it will be because I want them for rational reasons, not because some chemicals popped and said I should have some'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Reason is just a certain chemical popping.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, fool yourself into believing that :) If you have kids is because you are obeying your prime directive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, reason is my electrochemical interpretation of signals. Not a simple chemical reaction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i doubt you know what reason is at the chemical level'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or electrical'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having studied neural networking, I kinda do...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that thinking (which is required to decide what is reasonable) is not a chemical production.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you may know a theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just find it amusing that these commercials are being marketed to depressed breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything the body does is a function of its chemistry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, if having kids is that awful, why do it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we could ask your parents that, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, personally, I wouldn't want to reopen that wound :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, they will probably wonder why they did it too'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can't answer the question, I think they were insane.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Especially because, after me, they had another one.  Yikes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If at first you fail...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I am sure countless people have. Simply put, while individually we may wonder, statistically we are fulfilling the racial imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's always another donut in the frying pan'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh no you dint'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does the 'racial imperitave' need to decide for you though?  Why can't you just decide to do what you want to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how imperatives work, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah well, I am going to bed now.  I don't envy you folks who are going to sacrifice your lives on the altar of parenthood, best of luck to you, and enjoy the free tax dollars :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Racial imperative implies a destiny and will that simply does not exist in evolution, however it might look in hindsight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If all of a sudden, nobody had kids, you know what happens? We die out. Plain and simple. Universe keeps going, uncaring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're not in danger of dying out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That is an old bingo, please be more creative'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'statistically we don't have a choice, though we may have one individually. As far as the race is concerned, if you choose to not to propagate your genes, it doesn't matter statistically. If it ever does, then humanity will take another turn, maybe into extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is like rolling 100 balls down a maze, and 1 makes it all the way through. You might say that ball had a 'directional imperative' to succeed. You would be wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, it matters on perhaps a 1/7billion level statitically...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that the human race has continued for millions of years randomly. Think about that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It just blows my mind that most of you can't see beyond your mindset and realize that you are in no way obligated to destroy your lives by becoming boring, vapid, depressed parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed I do. As does most of the scientific community.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the human race can be compared to a river, a particular drop of water may choose to follow another path, but the flow of the river indicates the overwhelming choice of the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it blows my mind that try to impose your views on everyone else because you dont "want" children'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I not only don't want them, I don't want to deal with yours either ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the water drops decided to go their own separate way, there would be no river. As long as there is a river there exists an imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know the solution but its cruel :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think imperative means what you think it means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kill your kids?  I wish.  Alas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'close'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hmm, Ucla sounds like a typical breeder to me!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think that imperative means what you think it means. The human race (and any other thing alive, for that matter) has an imperative to perpetuate itself, your wishes notwithstanding. Even by refusing to mate you are influencing the makeup of the human race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling sounds like a depressed, lonely, barren female to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, my job is pretty depressing, BUT at least I don't need to spend the money on some little shitting, vomiting fleshbricks'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That implies a goal which only exists in the mind of the people thinking about the future - there is no goal to evolution, only happenstance and trends.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the difference is i think you are entitled to opinion you obviously think no one else is....but i guess thats what trolling is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all you are doing is subtracting your genes from the pool and because there are enough humans around you have the luxury to refuse to mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would have the luxury either way - because it doesn't mean shit to anything if the human race lives or dies'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'anyway, q complete, keep filing those dependent exemptions! :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'goodnight!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you really come off as just the opposite of what you pretend....you come off as someone who really wants kids but is too crazy to do anything about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Vakieh, it is a historical fact that after a catastrophe (wars are included in this) the birth rate goes up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think it is a coincidence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes - because people feel the need to procreate, not to mention the 'soldiers coming home' effect - this does not in any way make it a guaranteed thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It also doesn't mean squat to the argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reduced return of a male population is what triggers it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the trigger is not psychological is chemical.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though there really is no need for a distinction :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have evolved certain triggers, as a natural result of our evolution. It is our *past*,  not our intended future, which dictates our likely responses'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, it is ok if you don't procreate. It probably means that there is something wrong with your genes :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wrong? Says who? You again imply goals that exist only in your head'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, humans have evolved above their animalism, have they. We are no longer animals we are uber beings with no instinct. Sure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is perpetuation of a species a good thing? The atoms that make up our dna don't give a shit, so who does?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the human ego is an amazing thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the perpetuation of a species is neither good nor bad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instinct is the result of random genetic trends. It STILL has no goal, only the luck of the circumstances that produced it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Those with perpetuating trends perpetuated, those without didn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has a proven statistical goal. When that goal ceases to exist so does the species.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where does the goal come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, I agree with you. So if you represent the new trend in humans, we are headed for extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is part of the chemical makeup of the organism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I never said I didn't want kids. I said if/when I have them, it will be because of a decision I made to do so, based on my rational assessment of circumstances, as opposed to popping one out becasue instinct says I should'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'chemical reactions are triggered by environmental factors which causes the species to behave statistically in certain way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes. Based on the past, with no regard for the future beyond random chance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they tend to keep going, because those *before* them kept going'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter why you want to have kids, as long as you have them. Humanity is not proud, humanity just wants to keep going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humanity doesn't *want* anything - it simply is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know of any living bloc that has chosen to cease to exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, now you want to play with semantics.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they keep breeding, because they inherit the genes that say breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ones without the breeding genes don't breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, and probably because they would contaminate the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It still doesn't mean there is a 'want' for any of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shit just happens, there is no pull factors, only push'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not want in the same that you want to eat at mcdonald's, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so people don't make any decisions, just genes do'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good to know we're living in the matrix'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'shit may just happen, but shit that happens in an statistical fashion consistently is called a drive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'none of will ever know the answer to that question'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however you choose to breed, whether it is because you smelled the female or because you had a poetic vision of the future, doesn't matter. As long as you breed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, I have an AVL tree to balance :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a woman sues city for $900 trillion for improperly placing her kids in foster care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least it wasn't a gergillionz'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda takes a long lick from his trollipop.  Yum!
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'vamps do!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be: a, ante, bajo, con, contra, de, desde, en, entre, hasta, hacia, para, por, segzn, sin, sobre, tras.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just had a thought.. often when i voice dissenting opinions on pop culture, politics, religion, etc. the other party tells me to just be happy I live in America where I can voice such opinions without being killed or restrained. As if this is an excuse to not rise to the occasion. It takes effort and a lot of time to become versed in any single topic. So.. I argue that now is not the time for complacency and enjoying the rewards of living in the first world, now is the time to be most vigilant. We have grown confident in our security and freedomes, while they are erroding away from lack of care and maintanence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'have a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thoughts are cheap:p'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. but... we need all we can get lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and maybe you hint a deeper notion as well... thoughts are thought of as cheap, sometimes worthless by many. what if we lived in a world where all ideas were cherished'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'revered by all for what they teach us'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'texts like these should be as transient as if you flap your mouth on the street, nobody probably has a tape recorder and is going to remember everything you say'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone else read that old book by Robert A Heinlien: Stranger in a Strange Land?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these themselves are going to becoming a violation of you free speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah, heinlein is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the moon is a harsh mistress, is one of my favorites'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not published on a webpage, or written in a book, it's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'god i love that book. going to read harsh mistress next. but that one really got me thinking. we are all so powerfull but most of us seem to just not care, or even know!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think my favourite of his was citizen of the galaxy though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim takes notes
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just discoverd him recently, finding out he wrote starship troopers lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, the book is so much better than that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so epic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Such a massive difference between the book and movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a reason the book is required reading at a lot of the military academies :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'sometimes reminded me of plato and socratese. he laid out an entire system of politics in there..'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simply brillliant i thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'citizen, though, is the one I read and reread constantly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. ill have to check that out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'one last note here, to touch on my original point. I think that is why i find so much comfort in online interactions, usually in mmo games which require a high level of aptitude, becauase that is where you meet free thinking, educated people. people who help me validate the conflicting thoughts and emotions that the hysteric mass public view as hysteria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's easier for like to seek like online'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should facebook have to pay out the wages/twitter of everybody who posted something opiniated to their friends, who's friends didn't inform the boss, which was about the boss, resulting in unemployment, be reimbursed by facebook/twitter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they should have made it secure by default'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least with a nice obvious dialogue with the user'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why the hell should facebook reimburse because people are stupid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why make facebook all easy instead of for smart people?  stupid people can learn how to click ok on windows'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I hardly think that it's for 'smart people''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'regardless, you should never assume that anything you post on the internet is private ... your friend could always have taken a screenshot and given it to your boss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea privacy and internet are antonyms lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeayea, trojan's and keyloggers aside man in the middle etc, the rest if offering a public service with a profit margin you should expect such lawsuits'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'expect, maybe, that doesn't mean that I think said lawsuits have any merit whatsoever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have all the merit in the world if it was the other way around, depends who your lawyer is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i dont disagree druzil. the people are stupid for behaving as such, and facebook is stupid for not thinking about the very real possibilies inherent in a throwing peoples data around'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I do disagree. I think we have too many 'they failed to protect me from my own stupidity' lawsuits as is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the smart stupid equilibrium again'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all i know for sure is that i really, truly hate that Rick Santorum...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like your godwins law'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the average iq of facebook users and who does it mainly target, then what interface was offered to that percentage to avoid snoopy bosses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can almost guarantee they have a rough estimate stored somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i wouldnt be surprised'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget it was created by an antisocial little nitwit who just wanted to humiliate others to make himself feel a little better after being dumped by his girlfriend.. or so the movie tells us lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's like asking what percentage of users who bought a superman cape genuinely thought it would make them able to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'What, it doesn't?!!! Darn it, and the guy at the store was so convincing too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas will stop building that launch platform now...
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There was a kid at my university who thought eating mushrooms would grant him the power to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I rode by bike to the area the next day to check out the impact crater'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim refers to Bill Hicks commentary
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah yeah, superman hysteria but don't jump off any buildings -> 13 aug 1996 http://books.google.com.jm/books/about/Weekly_World_News.html?id=jPEDAAAAMBAJ The trial of a 14-year-old boy who killed a 7-year-old acquaintance and then boiled his flesh in what his lawyer said was an imitation of the movie "Warlock" has renewed the debate in Canada over links between violence on screen and in real life.  http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-21/news/mn-17151_1_gruesome-killing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who aren't seriously fucked up don't do that shit regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such things i guess are inevitable, but it's not everyday you see a story on the national news or a documentary on a national station about the phenomenon'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who ARE seriously fucked up are going to do fucked up things regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and im kinda with hicks, let the morons die off'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'natural selection lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats heartless and cruel, but i kinda like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they usually take some innocents with them, like josh powell'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i could incite a riot who cares about the boy who was innocent and was killed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is i guess.. life is suffering, and shit happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, not all shit has to happen though, it's not all natural, and human social system's aren't justified by animals and doctor's who say evil doesn't exist, does a doctor who doesn't know the definition of wrong make sense to trust with what's good for you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness need not apply. we just do the best we can. i think where we need attention is when people (in power) CHOOSE to not do what is most fair and beneficial for thier own personal gain'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's your natural selection algorithm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with ya druzil. there are people polluting the waters and we need to stop them lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim grabs his pitchfork and bellows 'WHO'S WITH ME?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim listens to the crickets a moment and sits back down
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should start asking doctors to define what is wrong for the crowd before the judges hand them their phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no notes allowed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. morals and empathy should be tested'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'on top of knowhow and educations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone can learn a task or solution. but those tools and the responsibility they come with shouldnt be given lightly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'unfortunately most of the world is massively short on doctor's, adding more barriers to entry isn't a very good idea.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point taken Ave, but i wonder if the shortage has anything to do with the lack of proper focus in our society? why is nascar and the nfl prized more highly than mathematics? why is religion held as superior, and indeed sometimes a reason to ignore science?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there could be better ways of making doctor's in the country, like government sponsored university program's for any kid in any school in the country who the teacher isn't working for the enemy with the principal/staff and the region's education council could opt in, if that's what they want to do, and with that as a possibility the student tries the subjects, if what's relevant is ok marks and they have the aptitude they could become a doctor'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '800,000 dollar bill's is what turns most people off education, i bet not many ghetto kid's get an opportunity to go to school, or trailer park kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druzil, we need more focus on science'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deflation style'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim nods sadly
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society's too uptight with their knowledge and teaching'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money != smart'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems many people are afraid of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'first off we need to reform the banks. fucking loose all of them the rotten fucks. then create a resource based monetary system that noone can just move decimal places around in, and then we can get to work on creating our galactic, utopian society lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that north dakota developed it's own state bank, and was the only growing economy in america one year, sort of immune to the downfall the rest of the country got'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'state banks/local banks make sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeedy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'some towns have even taking to minting thier own moneis'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'monies*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'their*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre' stealing canadas oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'north dakota might be, they're with cenova energy pumping carbon into weyburn'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'whats that modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'estevan's the highest ratio of millionaires:population in canada, that's north of minot a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'north dakoda is pumping oil like crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ohh gawd pollution is the most heinous form of corporate/state evil. everyone should be hanged'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( wouldn't you have to hang the cows too? )
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'no they can live. but their owners have to go XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, be happy you live in america... wher you're free to flee to canada!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea gas prices have gone down a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'gas is such a huge issue.. and working for a car dealership makes me feel like such a hypocrite lol. but i recognize that we need to transport ourselves, everyone buys cars, and will buy a car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cenovus doesn't want covering up the pollution caused by the carbon capture project in weyburn with their scientist pseudo phd and media smiling and nodding to be considered by people considering the rest of their publicity campaigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they invented electric car's as early as 1885 - rover corporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they also had more fuel efficient gasoline cars in 1957'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh yea, and we discovered electrolosys right after discovering electricity lol. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were prototype model's though, not released to the wide public'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better public transport would be nice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. i even heard there was a deisel in the 70's that got over 70 mpg, but was disconinued'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not better for oil dealers'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Modi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just like the oil drillers and weyburn modi :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol history does tend to repeat itself dont it? i often like to comment in public that if america wasnt run by evil elitists behind the scenes, then we would be the first exception in all of known human history'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that lived very long anyway :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not run by, funded by'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same thing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'with worthless paper money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'traded toward our valuable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea it's not our fault, it is what it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. and there is that saying again that i hear so often since moving to the midwest "it is what it is" often used to evade the mental effort of actual understanding'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if most people weren't cowards among the oppressed across the globe then those who oppress them against their will would have support to be a vice to the one's who caused them to be as they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing everywhere people understand is oppression, i don't know of a single 100 mi/2 except maybe in extreme places like antarctica where that isn't the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if most people understood the ability they have as a whole , maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed.. why do you think we tend to accept it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that always makes me angry thinkin about it, watchin how the oppressors treat people, they wouldn't be doing that if people weeded them from their ranks'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, like they are so blatant and arrogant about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the oppressor's thrown into a cage or something nice like that, i watch some crime happening and that comes to mind, what makes this greasy little man think he's god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'initiation into secret societies and organizations help with this i think. i know from what i experienced in the military myself, there are ancient well honed techniques for building personality types'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the hateworthy ones survive i guess?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would argue that some, if not most people can be MADE hateful, and hateworthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about indian gangs in the city cutting the heel of women and raping them for initiation among other things, never forgot about it, maybe it's not always like that though, or maybe not ever and i just heard it - but i heard of other gangs doing similar, so it's probably pretty universal kind of stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some porn sites you can go to and watch the university girls being initiated into the frat's all whored up, college girls, some claim to be real'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, that stuff just doesnt seem to register for me either, but they are universal archetypes'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't want somebody like that running my bank or managing my property'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol but those are the breeding grounds (literally) of our world leaders LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty un-natural selection for the mind's that have a idea of what is evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you mean people who have experienced suffering like you mentioned, yet still choose this culture?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, selecting world leader's from a subculture that tests it's members loyalty through things like that - that's negligent to everybody who wasn't a member of their club, and un-neccessary in a democratic nation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh. indeed. its truly infuriating'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the australian soldiers get locked into a cage for 2 weeks before being sent to vietnam or korea - ok so they might be caught by khmer rouge, not guaranteed though, and the real thing is probably different from the preparations - then i fail to see how this prequel paid off when it actually happened - it wasn't neccessary for survival, survival happened before you reached the cage, is torture neccessary for war preparation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i mean, goddamn. how long have we had the InterWeb now???'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since about 1995 popularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in year 2000 you had to look real hard for pornography, the rest of the decade's pretty easy though - maybe this has to do with initiating the minds before the group tests them'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think you have to be tortured to use your imagination's predestination of torture to know what it's about and extrapolate what it would feel like, and then possibly have that blown out of proportion in a greater fear than your time in the cage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'didnt know about the aussi soldiers... but i can speak from my own experience that yes, that stuff is considered necessary for war preparation. i think it is also beneficial to an extent. the men who you plan to send into the most hostile environment deserve the hardest and most hostile training to prepare them. within reason of course. but i found myself respecting the men who I knew were pushing me harder than I would likely have to push myself in a real combat situation. I would rather the real thing be LESS traumatic than the preparation if possible lol. luckily I never went overseas to find out if this was true, but it is what we were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've compared real pain and pleasure to the real thing though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or rather my consideration of it before it happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'often the mind's stress at it's own version is greater than the body's satisfaction or suffering at the actual thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i agree with ya there also, samurai would meditate upon thier own death regularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'how it would happen, feeling the blade in thier flesh best they could imagine'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and i also agree that torture techniques are far and away from what I recieved, which was simple hard vigorous training :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'testing your fortitude doing manual labor with little sleep week after week, but being overly hydrated and well fed, is one thing. being locked in a box is completely another'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'doesnt sound like good training at all imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people die in training every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couple kids killed themselves when i was in training.. another couple tried to, and 1 kid died of asthma during a run, he had lied about having  it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a number died from runs, one guy died during pow training...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the last is understandable as long as the driller didn't force him against his current calamity to keep on going'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow Sonshi, where was this?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea druz, my opinion on the matter was that it was because kids who were obviously not fit for training were sent to the most difficult boot camp in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was dunked in water or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ok. wow.. maybe my bootcamp wasnt quite as hard as yours XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we never got actual torture training.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he was a commando. 19 years old, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we trained in not getting captured and tortured, and wilderness survival mostly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh, yea i never did any high level stuff like that, got out early thank goodness lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of stories about the crazy commando people are told back home...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would love to hear those stories lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'during basic training, our section commander told us about these commandos training in taiwan or something like that... CO was unhappy with the litter left behind, told them to pick up the rubbish, assembled them, and told them to put the litter they picked up... in their mouth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'damn..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, this other time, they killed 4 hijackers in 30s with no injuries to the hostages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I once spit while being punished and 'slayed' in the dirt, they made me grab the spittle and mud and put it in my pockets LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_Flight_117'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't had a hijacking since then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim adds the forces of Malaysia to his list of armies the US does NOT want to fuck with. right under the Korean Rock Marines
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, our army tries to make sure we can beat malaysia...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if anything were to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh yes, makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a sort of neutral position... both chinese and american warships use our ports from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea docking in singapore is thought highly of in the US navy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once the soviets (way back when) apparently complained that we were allowing the americans to use our port... we replied that it was a commericial arrangement, and they could too, for a price...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we're probably the most heavily armed country to never have fought a war...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hey, nothing to be ashamed of :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good thing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'managed to push out the brits with words rather than guns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even the Dalai Lama himself wishes tibet had had military forces..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do... just not on their side!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'a strong military is a necessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats cold man lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china is formed from many different quasi-national regions, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true, and it is kinda the way they have always done business..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give one autonomy, and the other one point something billion people will want the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best way to dissolve the problem of nation's is for them all to expose transparency with their people at once and make is so that eventually their people govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a world without nations would be pretty good, but new world order isn't that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'deff a possibility with dah interenets'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have it's problem's, but informed people would know where those were and what they're trading would make them disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so how we going to do this? how do we tell everyone on the internet, right now, that they need to disregard thier governments?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nation's are the reason for war's, it's not civilians within them, they listen to what nation says when they have to be aware or be used as fuel for the war, everywhere's people who don't want war and fewer people who do, even though fewer is higher the more socially engineerable the citizen's are by their government's view on thing's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where dissent is considered lack of zeal'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greed's something too, i don't see much war's fought not fought by groups of people like a nation, or religion i guess, but usually they use nation as scapegoat and once becoming nation will do as nation done'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea... religious peeps tell me that me thinking they are nuts makes thier belief stronger... yet my path is valueless, even though i can present evidence for my beliefs, and the opposition i face proves me wrong instead of proving my faith... fuck that, most people thinking i am nuts DOES strengthen my beliefs lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's no answer, people's minds thinking of what would freedom be is good stuff though, if they had a desire to be free in mind, that's the main thing - freedom as offered by the world now isn't much of freedom, i think everywhere in the world is owned by one person or another - and where something is own something costs homage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagining the world where you had a house and security offered by members of your neighbourhood which communicates with other neighbourhoods which forms a council of the city which communicates with other cities diplomates etc, which has a code of conduct that they look for adherance to among their members and a deviation allowance in the structure for things like what is allowable narcotics here, and is there a reason for them to send them elsewhere, is immigration made too difficult to stem that problem - voluntary society driven by neccessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a threat somewhere?  doesn't have to be defenseless'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you did nothing wrong in your own borders and moved towards that happening with your decisions, then no other government would have fault to see in you beyond their own evil eye'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'reminds me of the darknet communities in Daemon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'large nations formed because small groups of people often found they couldn't defend themselves from bigger groups.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, but i already consider that in what i'm thinking of, it's not perfect but keeping freedom and defending it in mind, growing towards both becoming perfect - but away from oppression'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you do nothing to aggravate them, other large nations will take what you have if it were as easy as taking the proverbial candy from a child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equality offered to all who can become equal in society, oppression not given to those who aren't unless they're like misfit's who want to terrorize'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'transient system's are possible to happen, the amount of people and servant's who keep them from happening is alot smallter than those who have no idea what it could be like, and those who are oppressed by tehm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gotta be maleable though, except not to oppression to spreading above the newborn becoming equal, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course they would, that's evil running nation's, gotta make an example that good can be strong, and make known the reason's other's want to make war on the one doing good to the people who become their future soldiers - spreading information is easier than spreading bullets - making people understand through force doesn't work often either, that's slavery - and they hate that - as long as the opponent chooses en masse that they hate you for doing good, then you have yourself a proverbial devil to destroy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim dons his demon hunting gear
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like they say how shangrila was, a nice peaceful mountain community, now the only way to live in a place like that might be to be a farmer who's kids want to go to school so they can have money, systematic and oppressive life day in and day out, lots of unemployment etc things that could be done to means end by the group instead of by the one's who won the ticket to the job - one person can make 2 sweater's an hour, another can make 1 in 3, both tried - now there's 4 sweater's for sale, working at a steady and maleable pace, does the one with 4 think the 1 with 1 wasn't trying and should have his pay slashed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 billion pepole want sweater's , so many make them, maybe they want 4 each, how long until completion and the extended chinese new year, since that job will be done and they can wait for a new one to surface, be it sweaters or otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wage slave's isn't the best kind of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'annual sweater day, make 8 sweaters each and tomorrow we can build some car's that aren't built to break - but do you even need to make that many?  how many do they make over in timbuktu or wherever else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world trade is one oppressive and sealed dysfunction'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not thought out as far as neccessity and comfort'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a few people, a few more as the population increases, but not for near as many as there should be - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim khaim thinks of a girl he adores in Syria
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i always confuse the commands here, but yea man.. its sickening'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian and i'd have had no problem learning how to knit my own sweaters and sew my own clothing in school - whatever else, lots of thing's aren't done because people never had to do them for themselves, they're definitely not all happy as a result though - money doesn't mean happiness, if they all were given money then their skill would be going to the store, which is the skill of the rich now - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's been like that for maybe 8000 years, maybe longer'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even moses from 3500 years ago includes money in his 4 books as a way for the master to buy his way out of the punishment of god while the slave is put to death'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so from egypt money exists.. in guatemala there's possibly 7000 year old blocks that were carved at high precision one density below diamond'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a big long cage, fixing it would require alot of minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you guys figure they can do a national geographic film on shark bite's just a little bit west on the southern coast of south africa of a nation where they sacrifice children who they think are witches?  they cut a chicken's neck, bleed it on the floor, drop some rocks onto the blood on the floor, roll them around, and hold up a v - shaped sail in their hand looking for signs for what to do - and then with these pebbles they seem to throw onto the fire underneath a pot, and in the pot is meat - and this meat is thrown at the base of a tree with the broth - i just think it's strange that somebody can go down there and do their research / hobbies / vacation immune to thing's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like it's ok as long as it's there and doesn't come onto the tourism resort area's, but i don't know, it seems wrong still - just knowing what's going on a little bit to their east'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8PNxuhDS8 you might have to watch it twice to see what went on, but it's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the term " not in my back yard" comes to mind '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is this just another indicator of the selfish individualism the west seems to value ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of this stuff isn't reported much that i seen on american / canadian tv channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty morbid, but i see alot of pretty morbid things on tv, i'm not sure what their reason is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and even if it was it would not be watched , "too uncomfortable"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd watch it, even if i don't like something that it exists requires confirmation some times'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are hardly the lowest common denominator the mass media tries to appeal to Dru '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course, people like horrible things though, i makes them feel good about themselves that they're not as other's and have a rejoicement with one another - even makes their world look better, while people're out shooting around the lowest denominator of gang violence somebody without a voice far away doesn't have the luxury of joining a gang'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do some witchcraft like that here too, but it's not as widely normal as there - we're kind of becoming into that brutality over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once it's fully integrated people probably won't know life without it, which might be their problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb imo those types of ritualised violence are about maintaining a status quo , they are not religon based but a form of social engeneering '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you see later on where the adults are worshipping the children?  and feeding into their young imaginary mind's with supplication?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pathetic, lots of them seem unpossessed in their movements - they don't seem to be trying to say anything with their movement's, they're just repeated'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look back at that boiling pot later on after you reach towards the end of the video, where you see the tree on the spokesman's wall - then look where they empty that pot, and what was the meat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i mean about it's kind of distrubing, it'd be obvious to you probably though, unless they're just faking, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just a little bit to the west the national geographic film crew was concerned over a great white shark biting at 300 lbs whereas a hammerhead shark bites at 900'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've never even seen mention of real witchcraft as existing today on western media, except on one show called rituals, they go to bolivia and india and other places, on documentary channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in addition to starvation, that's a pretty big problem itself, but i don't think money will fix their government'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the more I read on micro economics the more convinced I am that the answer is in pre existing social fabric and smart funding and less involved in some blanket political system '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read something on bbc's report on south korea's suicide rate, that their people were alot more satisfied before their cultural identity was replaced with money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe thing's like that human sacrifice there could be programmed into people's minds and there was an identity before it, for instance'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'problem with Korea is they still suffer horrific cases of fan death...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fan deaths ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a chuch where jesus turned over the moneychangers table's and all who bought and sold in the church of the gospel, the vatican doesn't follow much in jesus footsteps'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In korea, if you leave a fan on while you are sleeping, or if there isn't an open door or window, you die. True Story.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps capital injection does not have to surpalnt social conventions and values , just fund them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to have preceded alot of the war on the native american's as missionary's for instance, while abusing them in orphanages and residential schools - as the new government installed their money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad there's no real church of jesus on earth to call all the fake's what they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he's teacher, and not god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For there to be a real church of jesus, there would need to have been a real jesus, so there's your problem right there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there doesn't even need to be a real jesus, he hated money this and that, there's a philosophy that the gospel says the son of god figured was the right way to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one chestnut at a time there Vaki =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he calls people dressed in rich garments and praying public as fallacy's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they make god a joke by their actions and 'many are called but few follow' or 'wide are the gates of destruction, and many are they who enter therein''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of deceived people, led as sheep to the slaughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's no big deal, then there's 1.5 billion or so people who probably are deceived to some degree by a liar's version of god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at what people do for god, blowing themselves up and killin their own family'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically speaking, god's odds are pretty shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the god that proceeds from the liars tongue, maybe sometimes they deceive themselves and it's their own misunderstanding's fault, and also the unclear author of the bible who didn't include the meanings from the riddles'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Best case, liberal Christian and he gets a billion - if he's picky, however, or not Christian...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So God has a success rate of at MOST 1/7...I'd be getting a new manager if I was God's boss...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo  most ppl really just want the easy answer - actually takes alot of effort to scratch through the religons offered and find something there. So much easier just to follw social convention '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i learned alot from searching, hinduism + the bible i gained alot of insight from, some of their books'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'didn't save me that i know of but helped me to escape deifying the bible at least and think over what it means instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get alot from the similarities between faiths , really looking forward to the comparative religon unti this year '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the catholic bishop who got excommunicated in california recently by the vatican for having a secret wife and 2 children - he was married, and the definition of bishop given in the gospel from the king james bible, is basically a priest with one wife'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so here they obviously don't expect ever to be held against the words in the gospel and answer the question'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since i read that book several times i can sometimes notice discongruety's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo it would be hard to have a text written over such a long period and by so many diff authors and NOT have them disagree on some things '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand what they get for lying about what is a bishop, or openly defying it's definition and kicking one out - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'married to mother church with children of rachel who's children were not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know how it goes, it's a mind bender'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from what I know about the Caths , if the pope said it , it's law , and if it aint in the bible its a papal bull, '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i guess, maybe the catholic version of bible has different bishop definition, timothy 3:2'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these word's are based basically on thought, they're nothing without meaning that's seen - they're not angels here, this is human's with tags given to them, do they live up to their tags?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so them not obeying this here mind of their's and the words they ascribe to it's foundation's, i wonder what they're up to'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much holy there, i wouldn't have faith in the priests in the exorcist having any power over real demon's, who may be smarter than they'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a more general note I agree with clergy being removed from base pleasures at some point but ! it is natural to mate and procreate . In my book you mess with nature you are asking fer trouble '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's chaste priest and bishop with one wife and kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on is a kiddy fiddler and the other one is excommunicated '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's polygamy?  something they sell on Life tv and other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still have eunuch's in india, gross as that is, they get their nuts snipped i think, and then worship'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how they got to that point is anybody's guess, they might know though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen something about bombings on their gathering last november or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or killings'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the killer has their own reasons too i imagine, maybe it's one of them upset that he lost his balls'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oops ! really sorry there ! me on at stereotypes again and being offensive in general , I'm not to be taken seriously there , I'm yet to learn how to approach that sort of thing  yet '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't loosing balls kinda make you more peacful ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this game's full of offensive people, it's no problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still have my balls for now, maybe some day i'll check it out, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn gives you the bird...What an ass!
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each to their own, some people figured it's the right thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'queen of ethiopea had them eunuch slaves, went and visited jerusalem around the time of jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a better way of approaching child sexual abuse within a system that has "chaste " priests than blanket accusing em of all being pervs '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again with the eunichs , some form of social control ? taking their "will" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read a letter once from a catholic priest in columbia or colombia how you spell it, when america was funding hundreds of millions of dollars in blanketing their land with herbicides that not only destroyed the lands ability to grow anything at all, hit the water and the air and made children sick - and the priest mentioned this to the white house '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blanket accuse them of protecting and shielding pervs'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course they may not all be evil, but nobody's perfect'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white house ignored them of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were several consistency incongruities, bad suggestions, and insufficient labeling, in the previous debate discussion -- you fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only because we lacked your participation Zade , you know that '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'participation -- fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when fools rush in, soe angels decline to participate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'judge not lest ye be judged yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pot calling the kettle black"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shall the pot say unto the potter, 'why hast thou made me thus?''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dammit Tzadkiel is an angel and I dare ! =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I fely SO gay then .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.. off to shower .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"even Lucifer attempts to appear as the angel of light"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he once was ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit Dru you've emasculated my femmaninity with all your eunich talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just remember not to head to FEMAland cause it's probably not as great as they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Federal Emergency Management Agency ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FEMA - tyranny waiting to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aka the beauro of leave em in the stadiums , they is  black n looting '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '<-- is just being silly now '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan's called the bringer of light in the bible too, god is light and in him is no darkness at all - maybe he'd make a good teacher'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless the "god" of that bible is a "false" god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a word on page'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to find out what it means, if anything at all's what i'm about'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sometimes ask chat rooms how come people in places like the middle east where allah command's them to kill, doesn't command it imself, instead using a priest and his understanding of what is allah?  omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient - is everywhere, nothing is impossible and knows this'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the fall of Lucifer marks the change from non dualism - "All is light" "Tao" etc to dualism "nesscary evil" " a coin defined by its opposite" etc ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if god wanted somebody to die instead of human wanting human to die using their ignorance of god as an excuse, wouldn't it be righteous to expect god to reveal his will without the use of your hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Q: "how do you know the Bible is true"  A: "because god inspired the bible".  Q: "how do you know god inspired the bible"  A: "because the Bible says so."'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah , a catch 21'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a circular argument, with unjustified extrapolations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the bible got copyright on catch 22 before Heller did =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if their god is these things, there's no need for a mediator priest, divining the spirit of god for those who can't, is there?  assuming god wanted them to know his will, it's a test of darkness i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the above allusion was not a valid example of "catch 22"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trolls for the sake of being green though ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to not kill nobody if you can help it i figure, otherwise you take that action with you to the grave, which maybe has that god who didn't reveal his will for you to do there to show you what you done wrong, and what could you do about that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the ancient egyptians have that picture where the dead place their heart on a scale and anubis places a feather on the other scale, and if the heart is heavier than the feather, then the dog eats it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on death I love Crowleys conversation with an opium plant about death "the plant says "while you are alive and I am alive then we can be friends but if you kill me you are asking for trouble"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to separate the meatheads from the ones who aren't so sure, one knows they're pretending , the others don't that they're being taken advantage of'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"best to not kill nobody" -- looks like a double negative in there'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meanwhile I'm stuck looking for a hooker in hotel orlando'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for cp purposes only you understand '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all north'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'ROFL, Mitt Romney is having a phony $5 "win a chance to spend the day with Mitt" contest, presumably so has can say he has non rich donors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What's the difference between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'One's a practicing polygamist'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'the other's a Mormon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'I smirked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which republican candidate is likely to do the most damage to the USA: Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Romney, because he's the one that might actually get elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So how many of the people who are on right now are Americans anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'holy cow, tourists in Hawaii pay 11.5% in sales tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fuck LA'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada now allowing uranium companies to sell the 1/5 world supply of uranium from here to china alongside nigeria then, is this a decision made by you do things under the stupidity of money or else we take it by force?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're similar, shell is the government in nigeria too, i guess that's where the trends come from'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spread the cancer doesn't enter the government's mind under directance of their corporate traitors selling uranium to themselves to up their wealth'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every uranium rock crushed adds 1,500 years of cancer to the world, travelling over 1000 miles from the mining site'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Kirk or Janeway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That isn't even a question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'star trek without kirk isn't star trek :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I kind of lost respect for Kirk when he let Sulu almost freeze to death on a planet, when the Enterprise's transporter was malfunctioning.  Janeway would never have forgotten that her ship was equiped with a shuttlecraft.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant compare v5 with v1'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Personally I never saw the appeal of Star Trek'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just seems like they went the far side of nerd crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Gene says all of the Star Trek info was channeled to him from aliens'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'he said it was fact'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LONG after the fact lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having said that, I do enjoy Lexx, though more as a comedy with boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Spock or Tuvok?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the appeal of Star Trek was simple, it had a feel of realism. If you look at sf renditions prior to that time they were just short of a joke. Star Trek was the inspirations for what came after, notably Star Wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention simple things like sliding doors which are now reality.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And I don't think we'll have to wait 300 years for handheld mobile communications devices either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Plus, as Whoopi Goldburg pointed out, it was the first SciFi show where there were black people in the future.  That was huge in the early 60s.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ST pioneered in many fronts and it was a social phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it doesn't hold a candle to lexx'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe not, but the Model T doesn't hold a candle to the Lincoln either, if we follow the same logic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'believe star trek also had the first interracial kiss on broadcast.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Kirk and Ohura, yeah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It would have a bit more impressive if Kirk and Uhura had kissed voluntarily.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'It would have been even more impressive if it had been Kirk and Sulu'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when Star Trek went to the big screen it really rocked. I mean, if you were one of those who watch the crappy technology on tv and then went to see the movie, it was awesome :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Oh, my!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed anaristos. loved those movies back in the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hell, i still do XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Uhura and Chapel would have worked too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, if star trek was really thinking ahead, they would have hired dave chapelle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I understand it, they were canceled after the first season :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then brought back'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you Richard Pryor Sotura'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim P
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you mean*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'man havin trouble with chat in this game XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, i don't see that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'chapelle is much too young'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'before his time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but pryor would do the job well i think lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's what would have made it ground-breaking'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone got a handle on whats happening in Syria atm ? APCs from Lebanon there ?!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Just saw there was a bombing in some northern city that starts with an A come across the ticker, 25dead 200ish wounded'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Although at this point is that even news? *sigh*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not athens, is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Apello I think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares, it's Syria.  Those assholes deserve a bomb up their asses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Sorry, Aleppo'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'starling-loaf is here, wee'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling tickles Ixle.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just wondering if there is a push for some sort of support like what happened with Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, syria. Well, greece, syria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There was a UN resolution that got veto'd by China/Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't imagine why , no oil in Syria ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Then the Russian PM(?) came out the next day calling for the government to back down'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No oil, plus all towel heads... fuck 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no oil in Syria ?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia needs China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really about the oil... if it was, libia would've been vetoed, not syria'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not as much , compared to Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe I let it take this long, You are now ignoring starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'libya'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol sorry Libya '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about the oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't blame my keyboard for that one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'may not agree with you Starling but defend your right to say so none the less '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blame me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Okay, Voltaire'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers ! coffee anyone !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about exploitable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Syria has kickass SAMs too I think ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reason why russia and china didn't veto libya but vetoed the syrian one is probably because of syria's more strategic location, geopolitically, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in other words, libya's such a backwater, china and russia didn't want to spend any capital on their behalf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just throwing it out there but if all the arab states westernize compared to if there is another "block" of countries that hate the US wouldn't that be better gfor Russia/China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or for gaddifi's sake, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the mid-east muslims are focussed on hating the US instead of china and russia, they're happy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah thats kinda what I was sayn '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they won't be hatin the Chinese anytime soon'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'abet more sucinctly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise there's no such thing as a middle-eastern muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where was and is the oil in Libya going (before and after the ousting of the incompetent dictator), and where is the oil in Syria going (before and after an invasion by the UN)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'same as everywehre after an American-led invasion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to America.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the mid-east problems are solved, they might start wondering about chechnya, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china and russia certainly don't want the extremists to turn against them instead of the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the westerners want oil-supply stability - Syria looks stable so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and as long as the problems remain unsolved, they will direct their anger at the us instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the whole reigon is being massaged into ... an "Arab trading blocl"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's "us"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol not like the US isn't the cause of most of the problems that plague the world at present :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would give some reason for the arab league to be sending ppl there ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sneak, could part of the problem being the USA is a bunch of hypocrites?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that's a big part, yes, sir.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IMO most of the west is just as bad as the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is about enriching the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz has been politically gutless for as long as I can think '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of it is incompetence on a national scale... heck, the us is the cause of most of the problems in the us too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of self-inflicted problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its because American politicans can be bought with money.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and legally too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a number of schools of islam across the world, all with slightly different takes, and a lot of the problems in the middle east are to do with them not getting on with each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ours are just worse at it '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you mean Oz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oz politicians are a joke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The USA is about the top 3-5%, not just 1%!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah sadly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the bomb builders in the middle east are more problematic'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Easy to shit on the USA if you don't live here, we know you are all envious.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe it'll eventually resolve itself like the christian reformation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares I'm in the 1% motherfuckers!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's more about the .1% than the 1%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'realistically, people in the top 5% in european countries might be envious, everyone else should be happy they are not in the US..'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America does deserve all the shit it gets'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I concur with Tigernuts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I also concur with Tinada.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Europe is imploding'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of problems in the us... you see beggars everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'time to buy some greek islands'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sneak which 1% ? I know a few groups that proudly wear the 1%er patch =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not really, the US gives more foreign aid than everyone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Honestly, I think we should cut you all off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Tzad, the 1% that pays 45% tax in Oz'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'us foreign aid is a mere fraction of EU foreign aid...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like the aid you give is from money you actually have...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deal with your shit yourself, we have our own internal problems and it's RIDICULOUS that we throw money away on these third world dumpster fires instead of dealing with things here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'That is true, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget israel starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wouldbe an interesting re evaluation of countries ties to have the USA withdraw all aid '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'per capita, USA gives less than 20% than UK'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% of even'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about withdrawing of aid'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China cancelled Africa's debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Americans in the USA practice lying to each other using bad english -- in Britain they practice lying to each other using good english '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'let's see the US match that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the us has never believed very strongly in intervening to help others, compared to europe, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't, Sneak, China's debt was probably owned by the government. Western debt is held by commerce'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the bonds are owned by investors and corporations, you can't cancel them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just look at the us govt. Their relative refusal to help is consistent, at least. Same internally and externally. A function of their culture, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i get frustrated about the US, then I think about a fucking corrupt socialist joke europe is and I feel much better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and where there are plenty of lies, the corrupt rich obtain an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know Tiger, but that's another thing about its ineptness as a giant machinery isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps China could buy the commercial debt and cancel that too ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could, would be tricky though'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China can well afford it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when are you going to kick the fucking greeks out?  Good for nothing deadbeats that eat baklava and euros and shit laziness'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were up to me, the euro would have never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I read recently that the greek unions rejected wage cuts :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hilarious considering they'll be out of jobs soon :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easy to simplify it like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is a corrupt capitalist joke -- but the 1% are laughing happily as they get richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greece just needs to do a clean sweep of thier public services , root out the coruption and broaded thier tax base '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's like retarded workers in Oz going on strike over wages, then getting retrenched after :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as corrupt and socialist the scandinavian countries are, it's still far better run than the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Greece just need to get their people to pay tax :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they don't have real jobs, it's all leeching from corrupt governments that lie about economics figures so they can scam lenders'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I like scandinavia, free education'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even at university level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never get people to pay their taxes while you have complicated progressive taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and much lower corruption than the us!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'The US has much less corruption than most places in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the corruption is runaway capitalism that is not competently socialist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'buy don't the scandanavian countries have huge personal income tax ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the finnish, norwegians and swedish seem to pay their extremely progressive taxes pretty well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats only because corruption has been made legal, Kojiro'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least more than the us'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the last 4 years of OBESE GOVERNMENT aside, we are a fucking paragon of corruption vs. the rest of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs corruption when you can just BUY a politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Sneak does have a point .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavian countries have the benefit of being SMALL'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and rich with oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they also have the benefit of being more efficiently-run'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US corruption is much lower than much of the world. But then much of the world is poor and under tyrannies. Compare it with advanced democracies, and it has higher corruption than most'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and their politicians don't pander to corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they're small, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but don't make excuses for the fucking fucktards that are greece'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the capitalist corruption in the USA is what caused the 2008 financial meltdown and destabilised europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'American politicians suck off corporations all teh time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'poor ignorant zade :('
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why america can help itself by moving away from centralised federal government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think America needs a revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poor zade, but not ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the world needs a revolution '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think you could find a state the size of a scandinavian country that's as well-run... but I can't think of a single one...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the feds deal with defence, get everything else shunted down to state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't think that would work tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not like State govt is staffed with bright people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel hands out paper swords to everyone willing to fight in the world revolution
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other option is to order 9 out of every 10 people to be slaughtered'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Direct taxes in Norway are about 35% up to 80k USD, then increasning to just over 50% at around 160k. This does not count a 20% deduction from income that maxes out at 13k or so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so what? I pay 45% tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay 60%, i win'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats alot lower than I thought '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and US federal + state is absically 45% at 500k+'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think in order for government to be more efficiently run, there needs to be more centralisation. Either you need to move most things up to the federal level, or you need to move almost everything down to the state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf, 60%.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how much do you earn :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Greece believes that capitalism must support socialism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about $30k before tax, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'splitting the country into several smaller pieces'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf? you earn 30k and you pay 60% tax? thats ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol 60% thats the bracket between earning too much and not earning enough to afford a decent accountant '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the UK, Sneakl'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I onyl pay 60% marginal when you consider 35% federal + 9% NY state + 7% NYC + 4% unincorporated biz tax on my LLC + 3% medicare tax = 58% marginal rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'And they wonder why the recovery is SLOW?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's 60% marginal, not total, right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the different is that scandinavia, while having high income tax rates, has honest taxation, places like here do not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those rates are for working income, income from capital is always taxed at 28%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '60% of what I earn goes back to the exchequer in taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's because you're a sucker for not coming from old european money.  oh wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home max marginal income tax is 20%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with 7% GST...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose of society is to give everybody a decent standard of living, and not merely to give a few capitalists an opportunity to get extremely rich while beggaring everybody else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no zade, that's not the purpose at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason it is so high is that we have an absurdly complicated tax and credits system and many many stealth taxes that are not based on ability to pay nor generalised consumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the purpose of society is to give everyone a chance at giving themselves a decent standard of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but forced retirement savings takes a lot more...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on my income but who was married with 2 kids would pay about 40%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly fair. not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some faculty in society where the weak of the heard are not allowed to pass on their genes ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean by society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'herd* '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Kojiro - giving a "chance that fails" is not enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the purpose of government, on the other hand, is to do for the people as a group what they cannot do individually.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at the US, nobody is starving, nobody is homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unless they choose to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess the whole thing = society , just wondering how far from nature /natural selection we are willing to depart ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kojiro, so the homeless beggars "chose" to be homeless - more likely "forced" to be homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anybody in the US can get themselves a decent standrad of living if they work hard enough.  Some people are born into wealth, just like some are born smarter, stronger, healthier.  The only equalizing factor is giving everyone a shot at getting a decent quality of life, which the US does'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its a straightforward path: finish school, get a job, don't spend beyond your means. done.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo homeless = mental illness in a large majority in developed countries ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no they choose it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'problem is people spend money they don't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny, I see so many homeless in the us... must be a really popular choice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, don't shit out any brats you can't afford :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that is true'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'funny Sneak , countries do that too .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay people to shit out brats here, the more brats you have, the more they give you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they pay people to do that in Oz as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the worse your parenting skills the better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no, they did not choose to be "homeless", the system beggared them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you see the homeless because people are stupid enough to give them money and food'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"shitting out brats" is an essential investment, as far as a country is concerned'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the "System" didn't beggar anybody.  They choose not to get a job, they choose not to work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beggars in london can earn $100 a day and more'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You guys are wasting your time and your life on loaf-master-blather'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tugernuts, I'm in NYC and beggars here can live like a king'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need someone to work in the future. Doesn't matter how many dollars or tons of gold you've stockpile. No one growing corn mean you don't eat corn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'camp in central park, easily beg $50 a day on the subway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, many that "worked hard" were beggared by the financial system'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  Import people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but in NY, the rent is too damned high'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ixle ? unpack that for me ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if all the countries thought like that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Build robots to farm corn'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are not going to change Starling's mind because there isn't one at work.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'importing foreigners causes problems later'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, my country's imports of people has destabilised the political situation somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and hook all those farmville ppl up to monitor the robot farms !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anti-immigrant sentiment and such.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ixle, stop your babble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are basically arguing with a walking billboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want people to grow corn, not robos, otherwise there aren't enough jobs to go around'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, they were beggared by their unwillingness to work and by a system that provides them comfort in the form of welfare if they don't work and just shit out kids from their uneducate dand filthy loins'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need more foreigners in the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ask your govt to relax border control :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the day we can use robots to replace all labour is a long way off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I didn't say "don't shit out brats at all", just "dont shit out brats you can't afford"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'make it easier to get visas and Green Cards :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's true, don't shit out brats you can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we could, there'd be no need to have a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I.e., if you're going to loaf shit, at least be able to pay for said loaves yourself and don't sponge off the gubmint tit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've long advocated making contraceptive implants a prequisite to any form of welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Who's going to pay for those regulations tigernuts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Contraceptives PLUS DRUG TESTS for welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there are a fair number who bear children for the sole purpose of claiming benefits'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's pretty BIG government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sneak:  careful, with too many green cards and visas, the USA may become Mexican'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it matter who pays for it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd save money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a market equilibrium price, hopefully, for government aid for kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the argument is to save taxpayers dollars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well, relax, doesn't mean let anyone in'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't shit out shit ? put birth control in the soylent green ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'immigrants like to work and improve themselves, we need more of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Obviously there must be monitored standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'It is true. Immigrants (the good ones) improve society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For every dollar spent on contraception, how many dollars of welfare, drug treatment, incarceration, etc. are saved?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need to get rid of peple like zade that think "The system" is the source of poverty'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at half replacement level, asking people to only have kids if they can afford it is no longer feasible in my country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Soylent Green" is more likely to work in the South Americas'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go live in s. america or asia if you want to see how a real "system" represses people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, which country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'easiest way to reduce the birth rate is to increase education - worked in Africa'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats BS, Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if the birthrate per woman went down to 1.5, population would still grow for the next 40 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to be "have 3 or more if you can afford it", but it seems that they're increasingly in panic mode....'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore is a whole different ballgame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wages are too low in Singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here, have this wad of cash. please pop out a few loaves!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's half replacement because you throw baby girls into the sea, or feed them to mongolians'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'income inequality is ridiculous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it still is one for mum one for dad and one for the country here !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, sure, sure, we eat babies. They taste like chicken'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi why do you think so many SGs choose to migrate out of the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only the girls tho'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, many of them have second thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the boys taste like roosters ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Really? I don't have second thoughts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially now, with crushing unemployment in many places.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not everyone...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go work in a mongolian copper mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'There is always work available, if you're willing to get your hands dirty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're a well-paid professional, there's no reason for regret'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also think welfare payments should be paid to every adult citizen, irrespective of income'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Welfare payments?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think welfare should be scrapped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, a 'citizens allowance''
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the unemployed dipshits in the US should go work in the oil field'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore doesn't have welfare, I don't see any problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'ALL the drilling companies are hiring'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you can't help but worry for the stability of your host country when you notice ever increasing numbers of the destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Hell yes, I'm in Oz. It sucks here right now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, it's dirty work and you'll bust your ass for 12 hours a day, but you'll make 20 dollars an hour doing it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, singapore does have welfare. They just pretend it doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cpf is singapore's version of social security'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I maybe a lil sheltered but Oz has it pretty good atm re unemployment imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'CPF is too restrictive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, no, I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and singaporeans pay in a lot more to cpf, and get correspondingly more out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, thats not welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle class starts revolutions, not the poor -- the poor may support revolutions, but are too poor and disorganised to start revolutions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'by welfare, I meant, try asking the government for $ to live on when you're unemployed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should probably throw non-paying absentee parents in the clink, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a social safety net...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do that on a case by case basis'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just see your mp'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and cross your fingers'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Yes, and the politicians were debating AGAINST giving a $3/day increase or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the %1 rich in the USA are eliminating the middle class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'While on the other hand, they were pretty happy with awarding themselves 40% pay rises'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no way what, starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's bad enough we have to pay welfare for the loaf shitting moocow whores, we don't need to pay to incarcerate the deadbeat duhs too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick them in work camps'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building roads, mining etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until all 16yrs worth of child support is paid off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'picking arizona crops'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just garnish their wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'garnish their wages? what wages?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'SG needs minimum wage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no need to throw them into some labour camp...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What wages, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they don't have work, give them a job building a road or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'building roads and mining requires strength health and educated skills'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Moo is sitting on her fat ass at home with a screaming loaf, playing Farmville and posting on twatter, duh is either in prison or living in a box under a bridge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they won't work... well... there are other less civilised means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it clearly doesn't, at least not in Australia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the fuckign roads here keep screwing up'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro is agreeing with that Starling person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think the builders do it on purpose so they get repeat work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure about minimum wages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well doesn't McDonalds pay like $3/hr still'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are people who are willing to work, but may not be able to do anything worth minimum wage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mcd's pay $10 an hour here'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget using food stamps to buy marlboros to smoke at home and poison the loafs'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'mcd's pay $21/hr here if youre 21 and above'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, those people need to go work in the oilfield'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are jobs, it's just that these lazy shitbags don't want to get off their asses'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you made mcdonalds pay $5, they'll fire all the old men and women wiping tables'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why would anyone in ths US get a hard job paying $8/ hr when they "make" that sitting on their ass cllecting 99 weeks of unemployment and getting $100 / week in food stamps?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree w/ STarling for once'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problems we have here with wages is the very high cost of living, thanks to failed housing policy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'housing policy has failed in many countries, unfortunately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'More than housing policy, bad economic policy in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think the minimum wage is why you see young, relatively energetic people at the mcdonalds here, rather than old, sluggish semi-retirees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, come of.  20 dollars an hour, before overtime.  84 hours a week for two weeks, then two weeks off.  That's what a rig hand makes starting out in the oilfield.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No one is talking about sustainable economics, only linear growth models, why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more than i make in a skilled job'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When that rig hand gets promoted, say to motor man or derrickhand, he makes even more.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because economists and politicians are fuckwits, ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone else who are fuckwits believe them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'indoctrination Ixle imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not everyone has the skills or the temperament. I suspect that many of the poor wouldn't be fired for stupidity within a week of signing up as an oiler'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And actually, 20 dollars an hour starting out is on the low end.  I think Ensign USA Drilling starts its lease hands off at 25 an hour, Patterson-UTI is similar, PLUS they all give insurance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'd have to agree tzad, it's not like we're ignorant of sustainability models'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, the drilling companies train new people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ineptness in language causes poverty '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, I've seen some real pieces of work out here, working as rig hands.  It don't take a rocket surgeon to do that job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the funniest thing i heard a grown adult say was "we need more kids in order to pay for the pensions of our old people"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ineptitude'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at that point i knew that humanity deserves to be wiped out by a meteor'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people are just born somewhat dumber than average... I'm not convinced that training would help just anyone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the disadvantaged are unable to describe the problem, the corrupt ignore the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Regardless, there are people who would do just fine working for the drillers and making big bucks, but they refuse to do it because they don't want to put Fakebook and Twatter down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, I've had students who can't add decimals correctly, let alone multiply... sometimes I wonder how they got into an ivy...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna start to put together a dictionary of Starlingisms I think , pricless !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another issue is, I wonder if they even know drilling jobs exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They probably never bothered to look'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the question is, look where?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'After all, Fuckbook and Twatter are far more important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the homeless, it isn't a trivial question'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'www.rigzone.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure the legions of homeless people in the us have computers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when children are educated "dumber", they are unable to see the problems accurately, are unable to express themselves coherently, and are then mostly ignored and distracted by beer, sports, junk food, tv, internet, twitter, et cetera'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, even homeless dipshits have fuckbook and twatter accounts, don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, there are public libraries and whatnot with internet access'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what hope of children education when you are actively teaching them "creationism" as a scientific fact?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are here playing this mud, QED'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't get me started on the creationism garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism isn't even wrong, what the fuck are they teaching it for'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'library computers in us cities tend to be occupied most of the time. But I haven't been to many, so I wouldn't really know'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone know if there is an Oz equiv of Rigzone for the Oz mining community ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't bash creationism - I don't like the idea of agreeing with you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sky Daddy does not belong in school, period'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except seminary or whatever fundies do to peach the word.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion should be taught in schools'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Religion is obsolete shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should teach about religion, but teaching religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as part of a religion/philosophy class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'children taught creationism are more likely to vote Christian or Muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I could live with classes ABOUT religion in general, even though I think religion is worthless bullshit more often than not, but teaching "Sky Daddy made the world!" is totally wrong, and the 'theory' itself is not even wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, starling, they should teach about religion, and all religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to teach history without mentioning religion and analysing it somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i want to learn more about Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism theory" is wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but most importantly,they should teach it in context, why it exists, what it was for, how it is still useful, how it is abused'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Zane, creationism theory is not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee you most americans who hate or are frightened of islam know precisely fuck all about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, kid, the crusades happened because... uh... they... uh... did't like each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm frightened of religion in general...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  The crusades happened because people are stupid, they believed in shit that probably never existed, and so they decided to kill each other to prove a point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can get behind killing people to prove a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But at least the point should be somewhat based in reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the two sides believed in different kinds of shit? Or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still doesn't give a halfway decent analysis... killing each other over believing different kinds of shit is pretty vague'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And also pretty stupid, which is why I said the people involved were stupid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'killing each other over, say, racist supremist type ideas, over nationalism, over religion... they turn out differently...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism" is a bogus theory that is able to be proven wrong - but the proof is likely a thick tome, wherin the religions supporting creationism are disected and repudiated (and that take a lot of work research patience and dedication - studying religious crap to disprove that religious crap) '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Zade, creationism can't even be falsified, which is why I say it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how would it be falsifiable?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you say something is wrong, that implies you can prove it somehow'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no matter what evidence there is, nothing could possibly contradict it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the US is largely screwed whomever gets in at the next election'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism can't be shown to be wrong by any scientific method, which is why it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'isn't it impressive that the catholic church is more powerful than countries? Even if it is "stupid" the genius in the speeches has been time-tested and works even today'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's barely worth consideration'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Starling, creationism may be "falsified" (proven to be false) by repudiating the supporting religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is powerful mostly in countries with a long tradition of that sort of... thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle logic is requird'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creationism belongs in a philosophy debate, not a scientific one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it has been weakening in europe...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except you can't falsify those religions either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and to hear them tell it, religion doesn't even need to underpin creationism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle pragmatic logic is required to dissect analyze and repudiate religions '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you seek to repudiate factual basis for religion, then you clearly don't understand the point of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you could somehow prove all religions wrong, it still wouldn't falsify creationism...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You write up your treatise on your repudiations and get back to me, okay?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Zade on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'better just to pick the useful bits out of religons and leave the nuts etc to em '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disproving a religion permits freedom from that disproven religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of strange doctrines... krugman has been speaking out a lot against the so-called austerians...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'aff'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well , been fun but the sun is nearly up which means its time for me to sleep'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perchance to dream :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Ovccam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Occam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wasting your time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pragmatic logic states: "if there is no indication for the existence of 'something', that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if the scriptural support for "something" is repudiated, and (thereafter) there is no indication for the existence of 'something', then that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't like religion, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'is there any good reason to like religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I like many religious people, but unfounded belief systems have done terrible things to the evolution of human society, and indeed ecology worldwide'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greece is in debt, so either they do what's right and cut jobs, canada's dollar might not survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand faith in hypnosis and worshipping lies but you'd think they'd have a line drawn somewhere when it comes to world dictatorship'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do not talk about Dear Leader that way!  It's too soon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sit down and think really hard, what does greece have to do with canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the little dweeb insists though, canada's money is greeces money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they both take it in the ass?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm not sure about the history of history and formulation of nation's with all of their posts contrasted to see who's in charge of what'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your saying's about as good as any other though, at least the citizens of both seem to take it in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Canada in the figurative sense (a la your various rants), Greece in the literal sense (after all, they are Greek!)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i meant them both both ways'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you admit to taking it in the ass literally?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but i'm not canada, just a fraction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so, i heard charlie sheen's 'goddesses' were nothing more than nursemaids and actresses.... discuss'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the guy who seen warlocks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah i think he was a warlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/charlie-sheen-offends-warlocks-christian-day-coven-fuming-magically-bind-sunday-warrior-magic-salem-raven-moon/'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a cleansing on his career, that's some skills - crazy ass crazy world'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or just insane'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's a free spirit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't saying nothing bad about him, what brought him up anyways?  lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody says charlie sheen and i have a year or so of what funny news i seen crossing my thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly in 10 months and 12 days the world won't exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really. who told you this'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine what kind of cults they got out there now feeding on the possibility, looking back would be a luxury they think they won't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's been on the news :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. more yellow journalism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'literally 100s of books have been written on the subject.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yellow?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i avoid those books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's beside the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That sounds kinda racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no it is not'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In any case, it is the Mayan Calendar's end date.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yellow journalism is a term from the 1800s, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe the mayans decided to quit the calendar and get drunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Theory is they ran out of rock.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'dingos ate their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'can't blame 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm sorry, their 'loaves''
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people ate their loaves too sometimes, i seen it on southpark and read it in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the tabloids printed their sensational stories on yellow colored paper to catch the eye.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm eating loaf right now...wait, did you mean something different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also seen some disturbing video's that might indicate that we're still there a little bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't use South Park as a source of enlightenment... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'human flesh tastes good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does not taste like chicken :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but no one ever complained'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would complain if I were served human...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rendering is not a good way to stay healthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no you wouldn't. not if you were hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, it's dehumanizing to call them loaves of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Starling calls people loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body."'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cannablism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's Matthew 26:26 - couldn't find the verse where god was besieging a city and women were debating who's child to eat on that day'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in there though'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if I were hungry enough to eat human I doubt anyone would be around to serve me :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i always is'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hlmencken: 'thats easy...whichever baby is most tender'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tender babies are money making.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would rather eat some pubescent female :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you can do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anar eats pubes ewwww'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'been doing it for years :>)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do the cops make such a big deal when an armed criminal is threatening to kill himself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all for show , civil rights etc need to be placated '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I say let the guy do it, save everyone else the trouble of putting up with his deranged ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he is a potentially nobel winning scientist that has had his drink spiked ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for whom does the bell toll ? it tolls for us all .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are there to maintain law and order, they don't have capacity to enforce justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately neither are lawyers, judges or politicians'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in some cases where mandatory sentencing is enforced the power of judiciary is with the police '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory sentencing is completely at odds with the principles of justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'property crime is so bad here that they brought it in for that reason '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't help'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nope , just made the voters feel like something haad been done '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the nub of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep , idiots vote '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mandatory sentencing is pretty shitty, but constant slaps on the wrist are worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many laws and law enforcement measures are to placate a narrow minded bunch of swing voters'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You mispelled "nearly all"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because the justice system doesn't address the needs of the criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you better own that garbage can lid sonny !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the state focuses on rehabilitation instead of retaliation and revenge that will change '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't focus on it, rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the travel is in the other direction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very true '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never occured to them that heroine addicts nick stuff because they have a chemical addiction, and sticking them in prison won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they may get better drugs inside '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'releasing them straight back into the same environment won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bizarre choice they made over here was jailing some mp's for fiddling their expenses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made me quite angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'treating criminal behaviour as a mental illness -- on the surface it sounds fine but read The Clockwork Orange'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not treating it like a mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the root of that particular prob is drug abuse and dependancy - mental illness ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the case of the parliament members jailed for fiddling expenses. firstly, were they likely to offend again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok stupidity is not curable and therefor not a medical problem ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are many reasons people might get addicted to heroine, stupidity is one, desperation is one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mental illness is another'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'white collar crime happens because they think they will get away with it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find the whole idea of punishment for a crime barbaric and entirely pointless'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in being caught their eronious view of the system is corrected and they will not offend again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting , how would you deal with crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be about repayment, ammends, and behaviour modification'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that a little ? perhaps a murder ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the murder'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ted Bundy's victims '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically pre-meditated violent crime is one of the few things jail IS sensible for'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the death pentaly ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok drunk driver kills someone '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on previous record and character'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think its vehicular manslaughter here '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will putting him in jail bring the dead guy back to life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for arguments sake lets take exactly the same case but on ewith a waste of oxygen and one a distraught drunk pillar of the community '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the status of the victim is largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are the death will haunt the driver for the rest of his life. what purpose is there having him in jail? far better to make him pay his debt to society in a more productive way'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'quality of life / euthanasia et c.. whole nother argument , but go on '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, dinner time'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eat well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the perp has its organs harvested- no jail - is of benifit to the community in general and they don't commit firther crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if the reason why the gop candidates are so weak is because they no longer need to raise funds from regular voters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'middle class, even upper middle class voters are irrelevant when you have billionaires willing to pay for 90% of your campaign...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an outsider, just looks like a bunch of rich corp paws put there to further corp bank balances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hidden behind a veneer of christian fundamentalism in order to catch middle america'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they say what they need to win, then once elected, they repay their debts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy really needs to go back to first principles'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e - what is the purpose of government, what is the purpose of law'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said the US has democracy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere has a democracy in it's truest form'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe mandatory voting with severe funding restrictions would be the way to go...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had mandatory voting, "none of the above" would need to be a valid option'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'our mandatoryvoting is not really enforced here from what I have seen '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory voting is a tough one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mandatory voting would only work in places where you can have as many candidates as you wish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had mandatory voting with instant runoff, that should tighten up things a bit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would break the power of dominant parties as dominant parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can "informal" vote here , alot of ppl do that - basically waste their ballot '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For me, being from Sweden, a system with only 2 parties is very strange.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do those that don't vote now care enough about who wins to vote in such a way as to change the outcome?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have multiple parties, but only two that actually matter, and they're vote shite'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while mandatory voting, if applied correctly, can eliminate a lot of fraud, and force politicians to actually care about the average guy, instead of just those who are likely to vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err both, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are good arguments for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though by forcing people to vote who don't want to, you could skew the result'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If people thought they were bad, they would get no votes. Apparently people think they are the best, or?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would the result of having alot of parties mean that not many bills are passed and if they are with amendments to keep those parties happy ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't mentally equipped to vote for someone who is good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all countries have more than 2 parties. The US is an exception, not a norm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would skew the result compared with what it is without, yes, but the important thing is politicians might give a hoot about those who might not vote otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has lots more than 2 parties, but like tiger said, only 2 that matter/are established'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Potato, potato'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller democracies are the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, instant runoff would allow third parties to break the power of the main parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only parties that have some form of voting power counts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'anarchy is the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anarchy is not the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has thousands of parties, but only a handful or so count.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have 2 major parties here but it's usually one of the smaller parties ie greens or democrats that holds the balance of power and is relied on to get bills passed '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anarchy is the answer... for countries you don't like!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'isolationist military dictatorship ! '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as daft as it sounds, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I never am ,, =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thousands of parties? is there even that many people there? }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'we should all refer to the Word of God for all our questions and revert to a theocracy, the way God meant it to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing wrong with total monarchy or dictatorship is that you are entirely reliant on the guy being good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it rarely happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'debate I think a benevolent dictator would probably be the best.... the problem is finding that dictator.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'God is good!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and even if he's good, his son is often a tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'let there be a large distance between church and state! for gods sake !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'his son is good too!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still love that the president of Gabon is called "Ali Bongo"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A god would be a good dictator. Too bad we don't have one of those.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many stereotypes does it need to change a lightbulb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we have maybe ten parties, but only 4 have any sort of real presence, and only 1 really matters, so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on whether it's a nice god or a nasty one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hellfire & brimstone'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'old or new testament '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think I would prefer Thor to the christian god.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we might all be better off returning to small kingdoms/states'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL before or after God got his rocks off with Mary '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'small states can't survive without a strong world order though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'India has some fun gods as well, perhaps one of those :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the OT Jehova was just a huge case of blue balls ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have world order now'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a global small state solution to work, you'd need a UN with real teeth'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since when, did I miss something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are still voting blocks in the UN '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least strong groups/alliances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is not any real accord imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok laugh at me but what if the UN banned ALL armed forces - then we could exist as fiefdoms kingdoms etc because the main prob with those sorts of organisatios is that military spending bankrupts them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UN has no power to tell anyone to do anything.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the UN banned all armed forces, the UN wouldn't exist very long'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the UN is completely broken with the countries that have veto.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and only an idiot would voluntarily disarm, unless he had no chance to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so only the UN has guns ? nah sill yidea , both directions but that is how every gov is treating it's citizens - disarming them '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the reason for the veto is that without, say, China, the US, or Russia, the purpose of the UN would be defeated...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the security council is kind of like a lowest common denominator kind of thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Aka bullying'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or in 20 years China Russia or India '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So why does france have a veto but not germany (for instance)?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, the world had a pretty bad experience with the whole disarming thing. Hitler and Hirohito happened the last time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'esp since Germany is bankrolling the EU atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they lost the war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'france used to be a major power too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a couple of the veto wielding countries probably shouldn't have the veto now, but those don't use it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Face the facts: The UN is broken, and not democratic. It has no power, and is completely pointless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what part did the UN have in the libyan uprising ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone remember ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is pretty useful for things that don't hurt any of the interests of the major powers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point was never democracy, despite what they say. Nonetheless, it has its uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or stabilizing an oil producer .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, it allows the US to start wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us can start wars perfectly fine without the un!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps not for too much longer , '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, without the un, the us could well have gotten itself into a lot more wars...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but with the UN, the US can send troops to places that would be hard to motivate otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? Has a major power ever had a problem sending forces to far flung places pre-UN?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the barbary wars come to mind...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pre-UN was quite a long time ago, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'league of nations was before the UN ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '60 years ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow I had never heard of the Barbary wars before , it appears the USA has some form invading the mid east '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, pre-UN, the US has landed invading forces all over the place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'indonesia, for example'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was that some of the source of its powerbase ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'It was just typical of that era though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the brits were doing a grweat job then too '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is really the only country that has done that the last 100 years though. Probably because it's so young, you know how teenagers are...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for all the ills of the UN, it did slow down the whole I-just-landed-a-couple-of-battalions-to-make-you-sign-this-treaty thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brits never invaded anyone, it belonged to us in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now they only do it once in a while!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol OK yeah I have been a teenager with her first credit card ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, then the americans stole america from the empire!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean the usasians stole the US?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'horrible, isn't it, that terribly illegal revolt and act of treason against the rightful king of england!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meet y'all at the Green Dragon Inn :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, England belongs to vikings anyway, so it's ours!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"centre country" claims everything!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"now I know why my campaign didn't work. I didn't have a billionaire..." - Pawlenty, to Rachel Maddow'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the current state of affairs, I wonder if huntsman was too hasty in quitting...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the blatant funding issues in US polotics why don't they reform the system ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'polo.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole caucus system is also a little weird...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to buy your way to the nomination when hardly anyone votes'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the "Occupy" ppls have an alternative system ? or anyone ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course they don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're an anti-everything brigade'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I considered that prior to the 2005 election in Norway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting, secrot ballots at primaries...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'secret'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting for the general, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really, really don't think mandatory voting would do a damn thing other than increase the amount of people who will vote for someone because he's cute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I estimated that if I got 50 friends to sign up as members of the progressive party, I would have 90% chance get to the top of their local list and so be elected to our parliament for 4 ys'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'instead, we should have voter exams, so only reasonably educated and knowledgable people could vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how the only realistic chance there is for winning is to be nominated by one of the two majors, they really ought to have secret ballots and a rigorous primary system'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep just more informal or donkey voters turning out '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I kinda like proportional representation better although I'm aware it has flaws as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'PR doesn't work unless you have more than 2 viable parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but one of the issues with two-party is that they cater progressively more and more to the extreme ends of the extremes '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, mandatory voting would at least make politicians pretend to care about the other half of society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does take alot of the showbiz element out of it '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but I think it could help with breaking the two-party stranglehold.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how did there end up only 2 parties in the first place ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would also crack the dominance of major parties by sharply reducing strategic voting'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'network effects/economies of scale'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'same reason there's only 1 auction site on the web that anyone uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one additional advantage of proportional representation/electing a list of people/several parties is that it becomes much harder to buy enough politicans to write the laws you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no reason to fear splitting the vote if you vote third party, with instant runoff'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet those same pressures have yet to give the same results in other contries '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'assassination of political leaders is thus the lesser of two evils'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '???'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, in an exit poll in Iowa, more people who voted Romney considered themselves "Liberal" than any other'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tinada'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing special (good or bad) about the number 2, but most countries with a meaningful scale have settled into very few parties that matter because of those same pressures'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'restricting campaign funding would also be a major reform reducing pressures towards major parties...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'could you restrict a media baron from telling his empire to report on a certian candidate a certain way without infringing freedom of speach?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Romney makes it clear that he is for relaxing cross media ownership laws and so Murdoch paints him as the good guy- for instance - or example=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could be made illegal yes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only a free speech issue if you restrict individual journalists'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I saw a survey of CNN viewers vs. non CNN viers asked about the first desert storm , the results in terms of differing opinions was pretty stark '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, preventing the guy at the top from dictating what his subordinates can report on is a plus for free speech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cool , not really sure how constitutional law works '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US constitution is a different kettle of fish'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what I was saying using the desert storm war questionare as an example is that may already be happening '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if that is the case then funding caps may not be the panacea either '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if journalists and consumers of a certain persuasion gravitate together, it isn't a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'here the gov funded press is left and the commercial press is right .. lol sorta balanced'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'within the bounds of the law, actually it quite does'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'over here guys...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's one }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Zade you're worried about the enviroment, how many bottles of water do you purchase in a month and then toss away in the trash, do you recycle, does your country have a recycle program, and I see you are worried about a father correcting his daughters actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I actually seen the youtube show of this and I think he was correct, he should of taken her phone and iphone or whatever phone and shot those also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'You fail to realize she is a child under his care until she is of age, whatever country.  So I see he has a say in how he raises her.  I seen the video and find that she disrespected her parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the people on gossip are boring they won't change the subject to  Illuminati '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol can't resist - if this kid thinks this at 16 something was broke a long time before her being grounded the first time imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'That's because the Illuminati control the gos channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'from what I seen he punished her for a bit for the same behavior.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'The Illuminati made that comment go to the wrong channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'And yes I brought this to Debate as Oladon requested to go to this channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I think the father was correct in what he did.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'fucking communists Illuminati wankers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Alestorm I have no idea what you are talking about, but that is okies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'I'm debating about myself with the illuminati'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'so what is the illuminati?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'someone must be bored'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're on the losing side of the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'who Biker?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the one debating with himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'oh, Alestorm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'when i debate with myself it turns into a fist fight'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Trisha giggles Noose, I hope you don't hurt yourself very much.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'then i dont talk to myself for a whole week'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but do the other voices give you the silent treatment as well?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the illuminati is a secret society that believes in new world order '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'no they just taunt me for losing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'well I don't know anything about all that, but I am sure I can look up info on Ill whatever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'trisha: think the National Treasure movies & Dan Brown books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Illuminati is a myth (or at least a safely-dead movement from the Renaissance) in real life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'they must be real, I have read about them in a book'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real version was just a secret group of scientists trying to protect their work from the knowledge-destroying hands of the then all-powerful Church.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'They are The skull and bones society'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'they're real'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'have you ever seen the pyramid on the american one dollar bill?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: '????'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, that's a masonic icon called the All-Seeing Eye.  The Pyramid itself is an ancient egyptian thing created by the Stonemasons, a unionizing group formed up in said empire to ensure quality work and fair compensation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snigger quietly, wondering who will make a fuss over it.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OMFG .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you forgot safe working conditions'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Nod nod, but  have you ever googled the words around the pyramid'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Novus Ordo Seclorum= New order of the ages and funny enough it is the motto of the university of yale where the Illuminati recruits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a study found that our opinions about climate change are based on how much our leaders agree with each other on the subject.  For example, if politicians are split 50/50 then the rest of us will also be split 50/50.  Facts apparently do not play any role in the forming of such opinions, one way or the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just have the best one on F9 but I remember 7/60 45 etc just incase I get an invun mob '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wait , there is another red channel !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, didn't see anything on imm...must be a custom colorset :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doh, forgot about classchan'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Topic: "Quantum Computing" may be used by Christians as another "proof" that God exists: "Intelligent Quantum Computing"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if so, God's not very good at it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God is in every Quantum, doing the calculations"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Is the spear of destiny buried in an antarctic museum?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'noah wyle has it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's Satan, Zade.  The Devil is in the details, not God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not perceive at this stage how quantum computers are able to coax answers out of quantum particles -- GIGO  garbage in garbage out
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Hombre del Saco stole it and tried to bring forth Mammon with it.  He and Gabriel were not counting on Constantine committing suicide again, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quantum computers aren't able to coax answers, that's the issue ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only thought machine's will ever have is that which humans placed there looking from the outside in at the inside out perception of themselves projected into mathematics and science, durably against those they consider the majority who they are smarter then, since their creation is of a superior mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're stupid no matter how smart you make them'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, they can, it's just that it's both all the right answers and all the wrong answers and we cannot tell which is which.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whenever I think about quantum computing, I picure Q-bert running around inside the computer case'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're a long, long way from even attempting to solve for the divide by zero problem that comes up with the absence of a particular qbit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jumping on all those Q-bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't mean that this material is mindless though, i can see intelligence everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc yells to get away from the snake!
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's essentially what it is, except that every time Qbert jumps all squares can potentially flip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'talking snakes are common on tv now, geico uses those gecko's instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one of my buddies is a research fellow playing around with quantum computing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'these quantum things are soo small.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a polynomial-time algorithm for factorisation on quantum computers...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you're selling maxxed eq, just say you're selling maxxed eq, don't blow smoke up our asses with 'overmax' and similar garbage terms, thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a cheery good day to you, too :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'score :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mis chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know why, but I watch these SWAT shows and I find myself hoping the bad guys win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swat shows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Get a 20mm gun and aim it at the door, bet the SWAT team's armor and shield won't stop those rounds.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Of course, good luck sneaking a 20mm gun into your house.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats assuming you're not disoriented by the flash bang :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's 20mm in old money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '20mm is 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a cannon caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so roughly 50 cal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_mm_caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 cal is aroun 13mm, 20mm would be a cannon, not a gun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had a gun of that type, it's unlikely they wouldn't know...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '20mm is cannon already.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'in partcular, the photo at bottom shows .50BMG vs 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '.50 caliber is 12.7 mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a 2 cm gun is around .80 calibler'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'caliber*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calibre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those rifle's put too much power into a small number of hands.. it's not only your good guys who have them, and people who deal in such thing's typically aren't the best people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's Spanish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can't buy them at a hardware store, that i know of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't buy guns at hardware stores in civilised countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, 2cm guns are almost crew served'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's called 20mm, not 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if anyone is going to walk around the city with that kind of gun, would probably develop a hernia :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read this article about a grup of trible people under attack in south america, bbc reports, and because one seen a plane land at a landing strip, his whole village got massacred and him destroyed - now i wonder why this government doesn't plant some landmines or something on those landing strips, if they're not reporting on their own crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you call it 20mm I call it 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe bbc wonders the same thing, but knows the answer.. is it beyond a government to take proactive measures against people destroying a minority?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just while on subjet , watching the first Rambo movie , He running round firing an M-60 one handed.. possible irl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to call it *a* 2cm gun is not wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not saying carry that cannon around, just get a couple via the black market or whatever and aim them at your warehouse doors'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is Rambo :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Pigs burst in and get blown to pieces by cannon fire'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the intel agencies would have to be pretty incompetent not to notice those...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, they probably create significant RF interference when fired :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, they smuggle tons of cocaine and weed across the border, I'm sure they could sneak a 20mm gun or two'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want a 20mm cannon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like the idea of a world like canada where they find a bazooka in the b.c forest with a instruction manual, those things can get in you know?  and then these things are only in the hands of a few, and the citizen's are at the mercy of the cops not working for their boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, they probably miss run of the mill handguns all the time, but moving around a gun of that type without detection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were a point to it, probably.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To destroy the cops when they raid your warehouse :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '30-06 singleshot knocks me over Rambo nearly 3 times the size firing roughly the same calibre but auto , hmmm ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prohibition of weapons itself might solve some violent crime's, but that doesn't make them unavailable for the sources of most of those crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but you don't grow guns in the fields and pack them into bales...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They could get them from the Central American hellholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 Equalizer should do the job nicely :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know, I'm just supposing here.  And like I said, if they can smuggle hundreds (thousands?) of tons of drugs, a small cannon wouldn't be hard, especially if shipped in parts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I guess if you knew how to assemble it in that warehouse you're imagining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 is 25mm, not small, not for carrying around, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'same argument would apply to smuggling a chemical  weap etc , the chatter would be the impedament , not the actual smuggling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, if you are speaking anti-personnel, you want something like a grenade launcher anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're starting to assume all sort of crazy expertise in the fields of smuggling and weaponry, why not build a rail gun or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not portable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then your pretend rail gun can blast the pretend agents storming your pretend warehouse...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Railgun is too advanced, 20mm has been around for years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine nearly every border is guarded by a person at one point or another, who is on another contract that doesn't defend that border against his people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the pretend blasted friends will come in with tanks and the warehouse is history :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20mm, the New vulcan salute =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the surgeon general not doing his job, that's a pretty big job, when it comes to some things - and the premier's kissing oil's ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I'm just saying I sometimes wish the bad guys would win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being a head of state isn't being a leech on a black ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only the borders with non-lily whites, Druzil. The canadian border is not guarded.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're smart/rich/well-connected enough to smuggle such a gun, I'll bet the feds are already wacthing you anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'im they are ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't understand that though, their jobs are mundane'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I usually root for the bad guys though, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the ones in their borders making sure that only crooks that murder the place get the jobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're a politician your job's to prevent those things and destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I bet you flash gang signs around. 'Cuz gangbangers are kewl'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can you buy 20mm ammo from walmart?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you down with that, cuz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember milo minderbinder, the guy who contracted with the nazis to bomb his airbase and his allies to defend it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bringing a .22 to a 20 mm fight ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who make a joke out of politics today are servants of the reason life is denied to most of it without rent'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not much fundamentally different from this world and the world of 1932'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's good for M&M enterprises is good for the country, because everyone has a share!'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was a great book...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was on our secondary school reading list'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a .22 shooter vs a .45 shooter... if the .22 shooter gets his rounds off first there will be 2 dead otherwise just one and it won't be the .45 shooter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should either stop allowing weapons contractors to develop new weapons, with science not releasing new research to be used in those weapons (like stealth ping, lcd dynamic visual cloaks, heat shields)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats stealth ping ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol hold on , help file :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't shield them, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easy to develop a computer with your mind that calculates the distance from reception to deliverance, the size of your uboat for instance, and send the signal out the other side at that strength, transmitting in reverse the signal gained from whatever information you wish to transfer to the weary warship'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and visual cloaks, here's a pixel and a camera, on the other side of this circle is the opposing pixel and camera'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like a mirror that's not there, put those together and there's two informations released by science daily that they have in the works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'building new weapons and stuff like that, can't even see they're there'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't make them, but science releases that information for all to see, and what do weapons dealers and tyrant military's use science for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with cloaking devices is that you can't see either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who was it poisoned Whitney Houston?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You must develop these sciences  (ty for the stealth ping info) The imperative comes from your enemies ability to develop these new techs '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible with the resources to make stuff like that, just saying, like you can almost narrow down visual imagery point matching guidance system's on bullet's that they already made or are making considering a nintendo duckhunt gun and how it tells the screen that it hit a duck'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the sciences are already developed for 2-4 years publicly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that chinese submarines can pop up without prior warning around american military vessal's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might already be using stuff like that, who knows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could you detect something like that?  distortion in surrounding space and comparison of angles is the only things i could think of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fish swim round subs ? track them instead ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reverse depth charges are neat too, they have the water pressure set as they're chained to the floor of the ocean, and once released the pressure decreases until they explode near the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you detect it because its presence removes the natural background radiation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen those on a video once and figured that's some crazy stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it'd be nice if people weren't killing people all the time forever, or at least having the means to take on anybody who tries to trespass against you fairly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's all hogwash, and they play take the candy from the baby forever, why everything's so centralized'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How  shall I kill thee... Let me count the ways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure Pope had that in mind when he wrote that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's applicable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well we do breed like rabbits , I guess war is humans natural selection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were 2 humans left, one would try to kill the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only if they were both Alphas imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or one had what the other wanted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the public information out now and the amount of minds (7 billion human) in the world, it's impossible without the world already being conquered that several opponents of genghis khan innovation wouldn't have already risen against the only one who has these thing's, and i assume that one supplies all the rest of them on some level'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, they'd screw each other first.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and anyway , all higher order mammals are hardwired not to kill their owm speices when sorting out pecking orders ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put this and that together, melt that into this, dig up some of that, yadda yadda, done, it's unthinkable that those foreign governments aren't all working for the same people your local government is - otherwise they'd show some pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok. If you say so :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol right there Majic - prison sex is just another pecking order issue imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly you're implying we're not yet higher order :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker )
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you like that ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see many independent governments around, canada's money is owned by greece's money for instance, if greece across the ocean a little land less than the size of one canadian territory and supplying nothing compared to canada to the world to use'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are the only species that seeks to undo that hardwiring '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'goes into bankruptcy, then the canadian dollar goes down - that's bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you like good morning tokyo?:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's world dominated government illusions'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like illusions much, they're like santa clause written in c'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you still know there's some assembly required'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is very Buddist - the whole Maya world of illusions we live in =D'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'heard mayans did friendly sportwars, lived well but then one warlord decided to stay in a conquered village.. a few months later they were all gone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol cute parable Rabbit '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'they dug up a mayan stone stairs that had a.. history carved in the steps. it was in a documentary:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's a very real possibiliy that canadian finances are handled by somebody from europe, and the people in canada who defend the bullshit - how much raw minerals canada sends to the rest of the world compared to how it's not the most wealthy nation on earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are all members of his special club'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Herr Banken Direktor? :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the BP bullshit, here's a british petroleum company drilling off the coast of america, which consumes 80% of canada's yearly oil exports (sends them elsewhere under a new brandname?)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the blowout preventer gets sent to norway for their professional opinion, while they install one on discovery channel in alaska'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's american corporations which are owned by a corporation which build something then abandon it instead of the more costly cleaning it up'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and exxon valdez is a surviving example, in 1989 they receive a 20 billion dollar grievance allowance, in 2005 the supreme court slashes that to 500 million, after exxon paid a total of 500 million up to that point 19 years later'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the FDA's members are stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heard about that in the story of one scottish independent study on just how deadly GMO foods are, one of the two scientists got assassinated in year 2000'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pointed out the details missing from the reports for approval and faulty research by the corporation and their researchers, pointing out hypocrisy in members of the FDA'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who along with the supreme court's judge were stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monsanto's like some kind of modern day version of satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is this the not man who deceived nations?  they said in the side of the pit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly they made their name like mon-santo, man-santa-, man-satan, they're a man-made satan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure are crooked murdering liar cowards'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think of satan, my version of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'd genocide your country without prior planning if they knew nobody else would see it how it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you were a undesireable weed on their patented soil'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that evil died with hitler and stalin's just an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't really think anyone believes that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same mindset's that developed those individual avatars of itself exist today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of people with lots of money who wouldn't hesitate to do just what they did once they were sure their hiding places were sealed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb we all know they'll end up at the Mt Rushmore bunker !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most country's probably got at least one'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel wonders if every home should have one 
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'human mind is twisted by nature. trickster is our evolutional tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably, with lots of supplies and preparations - but that would be against the doctrine of nation of docile sheep for the foreign wolf'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to pick off at will, pacified with false security'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you built a bunker you'd have to contend with mineral rights and the government would have to know what you're doing there with coordinates - and those they log into a database which is accessible by your enemy'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the less than functional nature of the average backyard bunker perhaps that would only enhance the false security '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say spain's sin was preparing a censor of how many jews were in it's border's during world war 2's day's, now all minority's are logged and that information centralized to your enemy's disposal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a normalized sin, that's weird isn't it?  how does that slip the criticism of the history teacher?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'more than that , data mining by private companies does the same thing '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this enemy you can only learn about by studying what's not parallel to what is, imagination is sometimes neccessary '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and camera's in your playstation 2, the government doesn't require a surgeon general's warning on every telecom advent, this camera may be remotely accessed by your enemy and information on you and your family logged in a central statistical repository, where not tested on animals has no boundaries because you're supposed to be stupid - panopticon'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, there's a fun game, dance with fake friends on the screen, written in C - and don't focus as much on why the real thing is so inaccessible and cumbersome'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing new, most religions bait you with thoughts of what if, yeah what should, and then or else you will burn in hell after they captured your attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess we should expect that big brother is always watching and act  accordingly rather than be naieve about it '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz spellin'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this same technique isn't applied to these machines though - that's why you need an imagination to see it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this all sounds pretty blah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'care to expand on that Tiges ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't understand the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't really following it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now these machines save lives, alot of it could have been done mechanically - but mechanics are not remotely accessible and too easy to comprehend in their non-metaphysical design, metaphysical like these letters on the screen are letters, but underneath they're a integer, and under the integer is some binary digits, and under those is some electricity and circuits transmitting this information around'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wager that alot of the goood things you get from these could have been done mechanically, and that was sabotaged because they weren't made for fun at all - like religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you choose to use technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less people understand these in their entirety than a car engine without computers'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those you could fix yourself , possibly even make yourself, these it's not possible though'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you choose to use the bank too'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not be paid in cash by your boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you're aware you don't understand it, and are aware of the position that puts you, you should be fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's a problem is the blind assumption of technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and furthermore, what's the solution?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'integration, derivation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't change people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'understanding is an opportunity for an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you say 'back to the land, and plow with animals', you're a fool. a) society won't go that way and b) I really, really doubt you have a good idea what it's really like. :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can educate those so inclined ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reversing the psychological programs installed over the last 1000 years or more and making people think about everything relevant to their lives instead of systematically taking it for granted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone is suggesting that all technology is dumped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone was the other day :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't think something's a life or death situation and there's no sugar to take from it they don't do nothing about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people, some are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no , course not, technology can be a good thing - depending how you use it and what the limit's to that use are'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the "everything is relavent" sounds more like a "Be Here Now" mantra. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but it's larger than just an awereness of tech imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if there's more sugar in no solution but in pretending you're looking for one, then one won't ever be found'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cancer research is probably mostly like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if most of the scientists think they're really doing their job's, the material's they're given might be collaberated through a proxy, who makes sure some material's weren't discussed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and 7 billion people on earth, emphasized that doesn't sound like much of a reason to find a cure'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a cure for a few people, but not for the public'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a huge flu outbreak would be good'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wipe a few billion out'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo (and a very base one at that) cancer research and longevity are intertwined , I think the powers that be are Very interested in the research '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cancer's one of the few large-scale killers of comparatively young people left -- and the diseases that naturally result from your body grinding to a halt in old age or the diseases that result from lifestyle choices are much harder to treat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they're looking at a gene from lobster that causes their dna to be repaired rather than degrade over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they manage to harness that, even old age will be stopped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if every male/female on earth had 1 kid this generation, the population would be less than 1/7 of it's current size in 80 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dramatic reduction of population would be less preferable to stable and gradual decrease'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this generation and future generations? and do you mean one child per couple?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's policed though, people probably used their heads more and didn't slot machine their way through candyland back before this modern society existed, so they would naturally regulate their breeding more often than not'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a culture, they had moral's and shared workloads in a day to consider'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'drastic reduction leads to horrendous demographic imbalance, really. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how utterly rubbish world powers are at doing anything, best we can hope for is that empowering women brings birth rates down to around 2 and that the population then stabilises in about 20 years time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the one child policy has not gone so well for China ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no shared workload today, and moral's are how much it's worth to you'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'naturally regulate their breeding my ass, their sprogs tended to croak early from childhood diseases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's needed is a culture shift wrt kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easier said than done, especially given how half the planet is ruled by religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other half by ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other other half by greed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the same half perhaps ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses society was culted by money - it's written right there in deuteronomy, that's 3500 years or more ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sodom and gommorrah were maybe stories he heard from egypt while there, but before then, and before the first modern culture like those there was real cultures more than likely'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in a lot of places now, children still die young from preventable diseases, and there's no retirement planning etc. other than 'have enough kids that one lives to take care of you''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the woman is essentially worthless other than popping out kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i quote you on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care if modern history doesn't teach of any free people with a brain, who were free to think and worked together, that's all unconfirmed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'women's empowerment (seriously! it's the number one thing that reduces birthrate), reduced childhood death rates will both seriously contribute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contribute to decreasing birth rates, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'raising the level of education in doveloping countries has been imo the best form of birth control on a large level '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always ancient history mentions the great king, instead of seeing the story from the eyes of a common person or slave'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc this is the funniest moral debate ever:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like aristotle and plato for that, most historic author's who people worship as god look like probable trash to me, judging from those who rule the world today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, especially for women tzad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they've brought education and empowerment to women in north africa and parts of india they're reduced average births to a woman from 6 to 2.4'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there is sound evidence that it works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works in those countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for developed countries you need a different approacjh'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. if the woman can contribute with an external job, instead of just housewifery and producing sons, it provides a strong incentive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the developed countries are under or at replacement rate last I checked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 300 years the only thing you might be remembered for is michael jackson, your whole lifespans was michael jackson to the historian in 3 centuries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for westernised societies, you have to make it socially irresponsible to have many kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there just isn't the move for that atm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he teaches it to 800 million children, who know about michael jackson on the jeopardy clue, it's who they came from'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't need to make it socially irresponsible. the people who care about social responsibility are already low enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'need to make it not worthwhile to pop out a bunch of kids and have the state pay for them, you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would removing procreation as a right and making it a privellage work ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how history works, it's mostly bullshit, and not allowed to survive if it tarnishes the image of the future's ability to do as they did to you, to their new people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's enough laws in this world for a 100 planets'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just a lil pissed off at ( I forget the Starling term) but you know the type '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice that on holocaust and world war 2 history shows they don't discuss the difference between the mindsets, use of media, measures against the realization, common understanding of the philanthropical views of the time for discussion, and what's being done to combat the repetition, with evidence in the world of that occurring'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't  , so why is that?  do they think thoughts aren't free and the minds of those people weren't thinking?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they want people to understand the core of the flesh that followed it, or just the flesh that followed it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that they are not free thinking is the core of the Nerionberg defence '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz again spelling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can be any kind of skin person variation on the world and have the exact same thought as another - you can even both choose to act or not to act on it - why aren't things like that given more criticism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also wotsisfaces experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'milgram?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a percentage, somewhere in the 60s, will follow orders until they administer the shock marked 'fatal', upon prodding from authority figures. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just read the Milgram experiment findings , TY for that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so while it's nice to believe 'those were nazis and we're better' -- we're not, really, on average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's possible then that hitler actually had people killing people because they're of a certain race, with no underlying theological aspect within the minds of others beyond serving the master?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to that reasoning i mean, 60% is more than 40'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the experiments are extremely disturbing, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the surface you still need to have some sort of justification , however flimsy imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but they continued with the researcher saying 'you must go on' etc. -- not even for anything ideological.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, once you've gone beyond a certain point, stepping back is nigh impossible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep sorry , not in terms of the experiment I mean in it's implementation in the real world - you need a cover story '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but 'they're jews and they're taking our jobs' worked -- hell, if you started rounding up illegal immigrants in america i bet you'd get enough people in general to run concentration camps. not necessarily people here, but enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can go further with this , make the individual commit an act reprehencable by societies standards , ahilianating them from the norm. Like mass genocide or killing your parents in the case of recruiting child soldiers '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to combat naziism and other forms of occult government you have to mortify the leader in the minds of the follower's, so they each consider his words and don't follow blindly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as one assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's understandable why they leave it off the history channel if so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you suggesting critical reasoning be taught in schools Dru ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it would be good, i went to 6 schools in my early days, and one of them had a verified pedophile as it's principal, he didn't molest me and i didn't witness anything except my own judgement of his character, and this was reinforced by the witness of a female student, and nailed a few years later on the CTV news in a story where he ran away from school with a girl his daughters age'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by doing so you remove the smoke and mirrors trick that is advertising and subsequent consumerism, dangerous talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as responsible society of adults you want to equip your new minds against those predator's don't you?  so what if one of them becomes them?  then the rest of them aren't blind'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's me, somehow i can smell evil people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as the sex offender is predatory and preys on the young so does they consumer culture imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the consumer *'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'm&m's commercial doing naked chocolate m&m's now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stripping naked normalized to the unsuspecting viewer waiting for hockey again , thinking i want som m&M's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of which, schindler was an opportunistic businessman before he blew his fortune saving people... wonder if you could've decided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as with Bill Gates "The Philanthropist" '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people behind m&m's commercial's i would have on a watch list if i was the king of the land'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that little bit of corruption into one mind at school, who has 15 friends, who have 15 more, then - dynamic seeds of corruption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were I king of the land they would be on my pay role .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you never know... the nice guy next door may sell you out while that slimy businessman turns out to be a saint when it comes down to the crunch...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did they ever develop these strange habits?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a god from the m&m studio actually has a longer reach than people care to acknowledge'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, carnegie was a complete and total asshole before he went philanthropic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand some marketing, but it seems like a cult to me as it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Help !! Dru can smell my evil !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to tell who really has the mental strength to resist the political winds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can't sell things for how they are then they're not worth buying in the first place, since the businessman obviously didn't put much thought into them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and although we'd all like to think we do, you can't know until you reach there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tween culture is a pretty good example of a "created need"'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's wrong with chocolate?  i like chocolate - i find the cartoons on tv trying to sell me theirs offensive'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chocolate is disgusting, blargh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care what company sells my chocolate, as long as they don't poison it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tzad, hell, iirc raising the mandatory attendance age was part of creating jobs for ex-soldiers ...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at a 50 cent music video, are they trying to tell people to go beyond the shit they see on the screen because being a criminal isn't great, or something else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends is a teacher -- he had a dad lecturing him about not reminding the kid enoguh about his homework assignment, i.e. 'my son is a child! he doesn't know what's good for him! you need to keep up with him and remind him DAILY about his homework!''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they say his mtv studio is protected by homeland security, what are the government doing there, if his message is to break their laws?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his son ... is fucking EIGHTEEN.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'last I checked, homework is supposed to be done at... well... home'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm 19 and I don't get my butt kicked for not doing homework etc , I get kicked for low grades '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where the parents are and the teachers aren't...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if the kid was five, it wouldn't make sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell tzad, it wasn't even that he wasn't kicking the kid's butt, he was kicking the teacher's butt and saying it was his fault for not reminding his high-schooler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just another reason why I'm not going to teach high school :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the exact opposite of that is what they're tellin people, maybe the homeland security agent's don't realize that and they only protect his main moneymaker because their boss says it's the place to be - like you mention this nazi 60% theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's one kid who might not make it through college...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep "It aint my job" mentality , OK parents get a bad rap for lots of stuff but it is a HUGE job - more should take it seriously instread of palming it off into society / police / teachers etd '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody should really do some investigating and figure out what's going on, because something like that happens again'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well in some cases it is the teacher and in some cases it is the student/parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he had a different parent telling him that if he just took ten minutes a day to actually teach his kid one-on-one the kid would do better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is, it's a class of like 30 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who dumb down the public, and normalize deterioration i find offensive, they're like the enemies of the sun, mister smithers incarnate'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr...Smithers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have drug-melded the Simpsons and it makes me sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki Lives ! in the red no less !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I came back after 5 minutes...and for THIS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mister burns with his roof on springfield, maybe the spring is a water metaphor and the roof is a filter cleaning out the supply, chlorine gas used in warfare is a eye opener, used in water treatment is a strange idea - maybe in limited application it would have been believable, but like this?  '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr *BURNS* blotted out the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the scottish and germans are both reported as having used that chemical warfare in world war 1 - causing asphyxiation and eventual death in all of them people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or perhaps it was just a funny thing to have happen on a cartoon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now, think of a foetus in it's mother's womb who's boiling up a cup of tea, how that little bit of gas she's breathing enters into her baby's bloodstream and what possible retardations this could cause?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would anyone watch the simpsons if it were not written on a few levels ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol scratch that ... sigh .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'through flesh too, absorption is possible, drinking, evaporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's asthma possibly, other things, maybe chloroform comes in when bacteria is mutated'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a anaesthetic, possibly resulting in seizures and other mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody ever made the simpsons look so bad as me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've got a mind like a nihilist though, it's stuff to consider and verifiable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Chillin like a Nihillind =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'So I'm guessing  abig Nietzche fan too then ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i make an issue out of it so much, because it exists, is quite possibly a contributor, and nobody else does, i never even heard about half the shit i discovered until i looked for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where people are focused on what they do today, i'm seeing if people do this today, what will be in 100 years?  what's eventual?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, I was reading the wiki article on gas warfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't do much myself, kind of live like a hermit - but i did alot of thinking over the years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'apparently when chlorine was used at ypres a canadian medical officer, who was also a chemist, identified the gas as chlorine and recommended the troops quickly urinate on a cloth and breathe through it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'moreover the conections between apparently dispirate pieces of info is truly individual and requires focus '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the NH4 fixed the Cl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if something's evil, it's got a common source - maybe it's like a base human nature for defying nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clever of the medical officer, i'd rather breathe urine than chlorine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in demon's though, so everything being of human origin or other lesser beings isn't a requirement to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I remember something about charcol peach pits ? gas masks ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the canadian medical officer dousing rags in urine and covering soldiers faces'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was disgusting, but so is killing people with chlorine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey, i would much rather have urine on my face than chlorine in my lungs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm kinda the opposite there , I believe in innate good in mammals '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes humans included '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, one of the summer projects I did was on the evolution of altruism. there's some fascinating research out there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reciprosity and alturism are found in all higher order mammals and are both naturally selected for '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the basis for our criminal and commercial laws too '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder if we were to pare civilization back and apply just those 2 principles and build from there we would get somewhere better than what we have now ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whos for joing a commune ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they don't damn well work. we have some altruism but we also have a healthy dose of 'why should i work for him' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats where you gotta have a good cult leader to run your commune !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so this sort of obvious source of evil and social charm in dictatorship is being upheld by the fear of the modern government in exposure by their new found individual populations, if i was in on the meeting's the conspiracy theorists discuss of billionairres discussing the population crisis, i would probably point out that surviving evil if i wasn't a part of it as the mainstay reason for the in the likeness of in all underneath, the replacements'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cause of why so many in the first place, always a coward hiding behind the blind eyes of the 60'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always consider that shit when i watch tv, i was amazed at first how many thing's follow those same guidelines, but it's become expected now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn Dru that took a few readings .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, using in the likeness of as a word messed it up a bit :0'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i couldn't think of a replacement for that, genesis through the american idol'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big question , how do we "break out" of it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no easy answer to that, because each stage of it has it's own variable's to consider, and the