T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That would be the Mothership.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, they noticed that?  I'm so embarassed.  I took a bite out of the universe. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Stealth field.  That is all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You have a huge mouth, Jhav.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt nothing, something ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is worthwhile listening to if you want a historical take on the current financial problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zi1g_PmtQHA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(podcast)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia-China trading to ditch US dollar as trade currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they probably should.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wonder long it is going to take before Mr and Mrs America wake up and realise that the rest of the world threw them overboard 10 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as the American government + banking/military industrial complex threw the American peoples overboard 50 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the american people have become worth much much less to those institutions.  I'm "an american people", and It breaks my heart to see the worth of american people destroyed by welfare, indicipline, permissiveness and food stamps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The american imperialism doesn't bother you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it always bothered me, but it was never the american people'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'founding fathers always warned against imperialism since that's what they fought to eradicate'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imperialism started in the early 20th century, about the same time that the federal reserve was created, coincidence?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see or care how they are related. I just worry alot about the US wars in the world. Especially with the north korean crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish the US had left south korea a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should see or care, if you don't understand history you haven't got much chance of understanding how you got to where you are now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how to prevent it in the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's just that it is an internal thing to the US. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imperialism?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can't care about all the internal problems of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, the federal reserve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no, it's not an internal problem of the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a symptom of an internation problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'international'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe, maybe not.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll let the conspiracy theory nuts in the US worry about that one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel goes nuts.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want to worry about that, what DO you want to worry about?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't -get- bigger than the world economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'World War III'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you want to obsess instead over the legality of gay marriage? the pope washing people's feet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'between who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, depends on what china and russia does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does in reaction to what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yessss I bet a friend earlier that gay marriage would be brought up at least one before 5am and it was 4:59 when you said that thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise N Korea is a distraction issue....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I don't.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you need to realise that it is just that. They've been banging wardrums since the 1950s, they are not a threat to anyone except t hemselves. Their military is largely 50 years out of date, 25% of their population is in perpetual starvation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but all that is needed is that they get one nuke away, and WWIII could be upon us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a distraction to keep your attention away from the mass theft of the US's wealth by global bankers who have inflated and inflated and inflated the markets after 2008 when they helped themselves to nearly $1tn of tax payers money'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care about the US's wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't get one nuke away, they don't have a viable warhead, or a reliable delivery system, and if they did, it'd never make it's target'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't even generate enough electricity for their people, ffs'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope you're right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they IMPORT everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't have to make it to the target... it could blow up befor it left the NK border... just the EXISTENCE of such a capability would TERRIFY the victim-minded world'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're like one of those little yappy dogs, make a lot of noise, but can be splattered with a foot'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, I worry more about that than about the US economy. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, vonliege, fear, and pointless fear at that, there's far more fearful things in the world being carefully ignored'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even if they failed an attack, I fear what the US would be to respons, and how russia/china would respond to that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the huge arms build up by the DHS'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's handling of NK recently has been rubbish, i'll agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has the UN'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto Iran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would probably be best if the US withdrew all military that is not on US or Nato soil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has to be a boogie man to blame, to use as justification for spending and control, if it's not Al-Quaeda it's patriots, if it's not Iraq it's Iran, if it's not Russia it's North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Might solve the financial issues too :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't you see how they lazily move the target to something else once an old one has used up it's usefulnessx?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, that's obvious to anyone with half a brain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the smoke and mirrors of politics'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then to end it, you need to get to the root, and the roots are in wall street and the global banks, which you cannot seperate from the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the federal reserve ARE the global investment banks that sit on wall street'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you say so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a say so, it's a matter of record - go look up the major shareholders at the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry, don't really care. It's up to the US to solve it's internal problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an internal problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US federal reserve is a US problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the US was stupid enough to put the control of the money supply in a private company, they have to fix it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these players that you assume (wrongly) are an internal problem, are the people who dictate US foreign policy as well as foreign policy across europe and BANKROLL these wars that you are flustered about'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing anyone outside the US can do about that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but it's still an internal US problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a world problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that originated in US and Western Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It may affect the world, but the problem comes from and must be solved by the internal US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that only insofar as the only player likely to be able to solve it is the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who else could, since it has to do with the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Western Europe would need to throw off the EU to fully kill it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are intertwined at the top'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guys in the USA would need to seriously look at either re-appropriating their politics or having some for of massive change'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see precious little sign of that in the right, and absolutely no sign in the left'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those who are fighting for it are being labelled extremists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Have you ever considered that you may be wrong and that's why you are considered an extremist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because you think you are right, doesn't mean you are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone who is passionate about their position, and on the "other side of the issue" from you gets labeled as an "extemist", and it's a cop-out'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you challenging anything i have said?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't have the knowledge to do that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am not saying you are right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you really ought to go learn'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not much of a conspiracy nut, so, no thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zi1g_PmtQHA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an interview on an economics forum by a former director of the OMB, US representative and financier'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will hear similar things coming out of any experienced economics veteran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so. Not the same as all wars are caused by global banking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're doing is the equivalent of having your house burn down, but telling the fireman whose broken down your door with an axe to pull him out that the fire isn't real and that he's a conspiracy theorist, while at the same time you've got your eyes closed and are ignoring the smoke'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but by all means, worry about North Korea if that makes you feel happier'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, i'd have ripped up the sanctions on N Korea and Iran and stopped baiting themn'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And what you are doing is selecting what evidence you think fits your hypothesis and drawing the conclusions you want from them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the evidence i've discarded?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Economies come and go. Most countries are bankrupt throughout most of history. Doesn't matter in the long run.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a piece of evidence that i've discarded, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, just an observation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these failing economies of history aren't down to overstretch, resource depletion, catastrophic events, or just implosion due to decadance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just fall apart on their own :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We all know the financial systems of the world are fucked, and that most of the world is bankrupt. Nothing left to worry about, really.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, picked up 2 gallons of raw milk yesterday.....makes great chocolate milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we've got you to the defeated point in the cycle of denial'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, glad to see there's some movement'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am optimistic that the problems can be solved. I am less optimistic about the wars of the world, things just seem to get worse. And I don't blame global banking for that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think that the problems can be solved?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with raw milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The financial systems will be solved with hard work and the occasional smart person.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As for the wars, I see no solution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spit and bailer twine'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Either the EU or the US may need to go bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, maybe you could get someone to pass a law to fix it or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Officially, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing you will need ask is: What will happen when the bonds bubble bursts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A lot of people will lose a lot of money, I guess. Just like any other bubble.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So many bubbles, so little time to care.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is always a financial bubble somewhere, who has the energy to care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensions will be largely wiped out, it will require the massive wiping out of government size, there will be a large spike in inflation, there probably be widespread shortages'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably civil unrest in the big cities, brown outs, thefts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not the first time, not the last.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there will always be sellers, and buyers, except the buyers will be getting great deals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwEiB7LxzY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, anyone with land and resources will be fine, provided the government don't come and yoink it like they did in the 1930s'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only solution for any bubble is to let it burst. Can't really do anything else, so there is no need to be upset about it. And maybe sell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there becomes a collapse, the government invokes martial law and suddenly all your means of production are taken over by the state'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt didnt take land in the 30s, they paid for it and built dams'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took the gold, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't happen this time as there's no gold standard, but they could take the land'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those dams created much of the modern wealth from the 40s to 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Could happen. Good thing I don't live in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could happen anywhere, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But my country is currently not bankrupt, at least :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just american is the last place you would expect it to happen, given it's history'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gold was consficated because the gold needed to be rebalanced....you cant have gold selling for $6 an oz one day, and then artifically change it to $20 the next day with so much of it in public hands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not bankrupt, must be Singapore'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confiscation is confiscation, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation would be out of control if it did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'History? Which history? It's too young to have any history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wasnt confiscated, people were paid for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any time you are forced to hand over something for significantly below market price, that's confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fair market price is still fair market price.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't fair market price'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it wasn't because they were devaluing the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition it wasn't fair market price'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A country will do what ever is needed to fix a broken economy. Private ownership has been wiped out countless times. That's why wars are good for bankrupt countries, it's a nice excuse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the equivalent today is cyprus's bank balance haircuty'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you guys are just mad because you didnt think of the same thing to save your economy and make it stronger. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few minutes go you were berating wars and getting worried about North korea, who can't even manufacture cars, starting a war, now you're welcoming them as a vehicle of financial renewal'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all over the place ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not welcoming, just stating a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one can deny that paying fair market value for the gold at the time of confiscation brought about the longest period of economic growth the world had ever seen, and it still continues.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But isn't that what debates are for, changing opinions of others? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course building up the infrastructure also helped.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus wwii'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north korea had its chance of being saved, now the chinese will have to do it, cause the US is not going to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economic growth was not predicated upon the confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe japan should help, they are a major cause of the current state in korea, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the economic growth of the last two decades has been unreal growth caused by asset inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and dodgy economic vehicles'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to note that the cypriot president's family transferred tens of millions of euros to a bank in London days before the deposit haircut agreement was made'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insider trading is a way of life for the 1% that operate within global corporations and the world's governments'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Without fanfare, China passed the United States in December to become the world's leading importer of oil  the first time in nearly 40 years that the U.S. didnt own that dubious distinction. That same month, North Dakota, Ohio and Pennsylvania together produced 1.5 million barrels of oil a day -- more than Iran exported.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will be interesting to see how US politics change in the world as we continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you let the liberals shut it down under the guise of being "earth friendly" in the fight against global warming'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, not liberals "fake liberals"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to offend real liberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fortunately most of that oil is on private land, and people prefer jobs to fake liberal rhetoric bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you'd like to think that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, the bulk of people live in these big cities and more of them are depending on welfare, and therefore will outvote you'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's largely how you got to where you have today, just as it is where the UK has got to where it is today'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not many people want those oil and gas jobs, even though they pay quite well, mostly because of long hours and being away from family for so long....but it isnt meant to be a lifetime thing unless you have few connections and want to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'working on a drill team can easily earn you $100k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use that money to pay down debts, start a business, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be for the able bodied of you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all this new texas oil has turned almost all the towns in west texas into small boom towns.....and the only reason the other towns have not joined is because the oil drilling hasnt reached those towns yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need to collectively try and maintain texas as a free market libertarian/right wing state and not let it get polluted by the socialists, otherwise you'll see all that cash disappear into the pockets of a handful of rich politicians/bankers, and the rest into welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, there are also thousands of downstream jobs also that pay quite well.....like walmart in north dakota paying $15 an hour starting, or mcdonalds paying $17 an hour, waitresses making $300 a day or more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could be a warehouse clerk in the oil and gas trade and make $18 an hour.....high demand for workers is what raises wages....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need the govt to impose min wage if you create a pro business energy economic plan'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the free market will do it for you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone here is doubting that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy and infrastructure is a beginning point...we learned that lesson once before and now technology will allow us to do it again, except this time we need to do it smarter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, if you're allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'millions of people who want to buy a new truck, or a new bike, or new clothes, will do it, even obama is realizing that since the last state of union had just as much time on oil and gas as renewables.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame he's pissed so much of the country off with his dominating centralisation of power effort'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why obama pissed me off so much, promised much, delivered the entire opposite'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'expansion of oil ans gas will allow the US to spend more on renewables, which will be good for the later future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his administration is now just a glorified social club and rubberstamp for vested interests, he's a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well of course he is, he is the president...he doesnt make law, he can only suggest changes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress has all the power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not strictly true now, is it? he can act via his agencies'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once they start doing stuff and get away with it, a precedent is set'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only by executive order, and presidents dont like to use executive order, which is why they are becoming less common with each president.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need executive order to tell his agencies to do things in a certain way'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those agencies are still bound by the rule of law which is made by congress.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states under his control will be used as proving grounds for unconstitutional policies, such as NY'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all those agencies have budgets that are overseen by congressional leaders.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, only if congress calls them out on it, which either they don't do, or they take so long doing doing it that the damage is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why you need good people to take back the senate and congress'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the list of good people there is tiny, what, maybe a dozen all told?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the montsanto protection act that got passed just recently, i mean wtf? why didn't that get struck down?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what were they thinking? were they asleep? drunk? or just plain fucking stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because you can't sue a company based on quasi bullshit science that does not exist...that is why'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 20 years we will know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it was hooked into other bills that were necessary :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part of the problem, majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys need to stop compromising :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, I agree about hooking crap together that's not at all related'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of tort reform for gmo, there is no real science proving that gmo foods are dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'montsanto RUNS the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's immense science proving that gmo foods are dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily directly to health, but to the ecosystem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of quasi bullshit science based on emotional propaganda is more like it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it depends on what you mean by GMO'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty hard to publish when all the funding is directed in the opposite direction'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like global warming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change is real, but global warming is just bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'global warming was always a dumb name for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can illustrate the difference by pointing out two different people who are doing GMO research. The John Innes institute near me is an academic research institute funded by charity and government that does GMO research looking to alleviate the world's ills not for profit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto do GMO research to create a monopoly market based on their IP'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you trust to do GMO researcH?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and selective breeding of crops is not going to kill you, nature has been doing it for billions of years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we just sped it up a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'selective breeding, no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not talking about selective breeding of crops'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that is not what people talk about when they talk about gmo'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about splicing genes from different families/species of plants together to produce a plant that produces it's own weedkiller'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure we are, adding a gene to a crop to make it stronger and seeing what happens is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'selective breeding is not going to produce genes from one species spliced into another'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selective breeding is not what Montsanto (or JI) do'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since we have not exactly been here all that long, we have no proof to say otherwise :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows how proteins entered the lifecycle of other lifeforms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like the whole global warming thing never happened. You fuck around with ecosystems you're letting yourself in for a kicking. There's a reson why most of the EU banned GMO until extensive long-term research was done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you see the cancer, diabetes, and neurological disease rates spike in the USA compared to the EU in the next 10-20years, you'll know what caused it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those are bad diet related diseases.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same bad diet the rest of us has'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or unclean environment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same unclean environment the rest of us have'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, your diet is not like the typical american diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they gave up measuring and giving out air pollution alerts in London this year because the rate never came down off the top of the chart'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can say is that where possible i'll avoid GMO and eat organic, trying to source my food as locally as possible'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't do it well because of cost restraints'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love that tasty gmo corn I roast every week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, I dont buy gmo corn from the store...I buy locally grown at the farmers market :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic naturally ripened corn grown using natural fertalisers on soil that isn't fucked up will taste better'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see? fucking hypocrit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :('
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'locally produced, eggs, milk, cheese, veggies, fruit, meat, pasta, bread, the list goes on and on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'locally made honey'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much in the way of local honey here - Montsanto killed off all the bee colonies with their fucking chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas has few farmers markets, except in Austin, but it has tons of roadside stands selling family products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elsewhere they've been shutting down farmer markets and co-ops, particularly in California'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA abusing their powers to ensure a monopoly for the big agrocorps, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest example for people to look up was the case of a company called Rawsome '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Raw milk around here is $8 a gallon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ordinary milk here is $8 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want raw goats milk it is $10 a gallon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ordinary milk is blood/puss filled irradiated bollocks basically'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably why there's been such an explosion of dairy-intolerant people'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ordinary milk here is $3.29 at walmart, with no rBGH,'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bgh has actually proven to be counterproductive in most cases, cuts off the lifetime of the cow, problems with mastitis, etcetera. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, many cases'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Raw milk is illegal in sweden. Stupid politicians.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they know better then you do !'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts cackles gleefully at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a bit hissy over it here, but you can still get it provided you live near to a farm that produces it (which I do not)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a gmo created tomato actually won the award for best tasting tomato in a sanctioned competition.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first time an heirloom tomato didnt win.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. firm Cheniere Energy last month signed a 20-year deal to export enough liquefied natural gas to the British utility Centrica PLC to heat 1.8 million homes starting in 2018. The first pact of its kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'can we talk of GOT n other stuff here then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'OH SNAP, THE DEBATE CHANNEL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No. =o'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'get out of the channel so I's can talk of the fail that is Jon Snow'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... God doesn't make for a very good debate.  everyone is too polorized on the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's zero chance of "winning" by either side'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I'll win in the end when all you sinners are burning hell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'well theres a chance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'Also, burning IN hell'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'i mean if i come across a talking burning bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'I'm youtubing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, there is THAT consolation... but wouldn't you like to win a few over to save them from the fiery pits?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I come across burning bush on a daily basis'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'does it talk to you though'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'well other than making you scream'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I talk to it - close enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a cream for burning bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the people responsible for 3d printable gun plans have had their website taken down by the justice department. God bless the freedom and liberty of America'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What website'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather amusing that Obama has proclaimed April the month to "teach young people 'how to budget responsibly'"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortuntely it broke my irony meter'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tigernuts! What was the name of the 3d gun printing company'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare may be delayed or cancelled thanks to a lawsuit going through right now - under the origination clause of the constitution, all bills raising revue must begin in the house, not the senate'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3d gun company err, Defence Distributed, i believe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, missed your post in fightspam'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Thanks lol sorry I missed yours in a tv show'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Forgot those guns!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"Rifles that can shoot 600 round"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hardly an effective weapon anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But yeah, shouldn't have been shut down by government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had a manufacturers license and everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guvmint must have taken exception to them supplying the design files for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the bunch of nazi's they are'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep, the government is like that.  Not so much the whole government.  It's the highest of the higher ups that make silly decisions and it ruins everything for everybody.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hope they slap the guvmint with a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would be fine except every suffers because it's people's taxes that pay the settlement'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the guvmint could just claim sovereign immunity'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And they would'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps government 'officials' should be made to pay damages from lawsuits out of their own pocket'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they cannot'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of the dangerous precedent that sets if they were able to do that, they could pull any shit they liked'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They can and have done it before'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As long as they are carrying out "official duties"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have been a good idea then and isn't a good idea now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which, we all know, can be damn near anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm not saying it's a good idea.  But they can use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you like worshipping a dear leader as god and feeding your babies into a meat grinder'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love my babies in a meat grinder, baby cows that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sorry for trolling I suck'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wanted to blink, not bat my eyelashes wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's only trolling if you find someone who really really gets offended... I think I speak for everyone when I say - "we like ground cow babies, too"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NOOO VONLIEGE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ground cow babies will give you cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially african, chinese or indian babies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And Obama gains power from their souls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'African, Chinese, and Indian babies that are legitimately aborted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'soulbama'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Crap I forgot the third phrase that people get worked up over'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but only if they were the product of illegitimate rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to legitimate rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, if someone is getting raped, you might go, That is some LEGIT rape!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'so legitimate rape = ok?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legitimate rape is, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I really have no bias towards the cow's age,,, in fact, I believe "cow" means female bovine that has had at least one calf... so let's just settle on "ground bovine"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's crazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The cow is of the bovine ilk/one end is moo, the other milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like ground cow babies'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or as the grocerie store is fond of calling it.... HAMBURGER!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No hamburger meat is made from adult cow'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'beef or viel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'veal*'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Veal is where it is at'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's not just cow babies then'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right... gound up adult cow (or steer)... hamberger... love it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's cow babies in a box'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily. we raise veal calves on their dams in a pasture'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whatever the fuck you wanna call it... it's yummy in my tummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quite a lot of people who like baby cow but don't like the 'in a box' part will pay a premium :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also it tastes better'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes I abort cow babies before they are born and eat those'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... in a box, and kept with dysintary and 100% milk fed.... TENDER and TASTY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow that was a sick comment'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Even for me'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's the 'milk-fed calf' part that makes it veal, not the box part'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure what you would call pre-born bovine meat, N.... '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'thought it was the keep the muscles from developing part'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would call it tender n delicious'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel apologizes profusely.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yum, steak in its own myoglobin juice'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jim Carrey is going to end up with a significant legal bill'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Jim Carrey is aging poorly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox ripped him to shreds over his anti-Charlton Heston rip, and now he's trying to sue them'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which clearly isn't going to end well'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9siTaRWuQRE&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have my cable box set up so when ever a jim carrey movie comes on, it auto-chages channels and Paypals $1 to the NRA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of the Fort Hood Soldiers injured or killed in the terrorist shooting are getting purple hearts... just in from the DOD'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... that's the question, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it all comes down to wether it was a terrorist act, or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are purple hearts for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'soldiers injured in war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fort hood is where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.recognizethesacrifice.org/purple-heart-criteria.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on that day... in a war zone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is nothing in the reg about WHERE the war takes placve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? who are you at war with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorists aren't a nation you can be at wore with'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet and still... we are currently waging "The Global War on Terror"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, they aren't entitled to purple hearts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It states on the website terrorists are allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting yourselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... we are fighting terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As long as the Secretary of Defense says they are lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting jihadists that you tourselves created'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... they chose to be jihadists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um the world created Jihadists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They hate everybody'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-quaeda was created by USA and Saudi Arabia to fight Russians in afghanistan in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now the US/UN directs them to attack Libya, Syria, whoever else they want to destabailse'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the TALIBAN (not al-quida) existed long before we gave them military aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I used to date Bin Laden but his beard tickled me too much'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just like we gave england stuff prior to entering WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like the muslim brotherhood have their roots in Nazi Germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a streatch'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my mama might have ate some schnitzle when I was pregnant... that makes me german?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... when *She* was pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure frued would have fun with that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but back to the point - Fort Hood, Soldier, Purple hearts, terror'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the points tigernut made (which probolby have some truth) does not address the fact that US Soldiers were injured and killed by a disciple and adherent of the people we are currently fighting.  Ergo.. purple hearts should be in order.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Secretary of Defense has to declare it a terrorist act'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If that happened, then yes Purple Hearts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for better or worse, the secretary of defense is a politico who made the call for plolitical reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is very debateable with the parameters of "do they get PHs or not"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where is fort hood?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About 2.5 hours north of San Antonio Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i'm concerned, if ph are for soldiers lost in battle then no terrorist act would qualify for one unless you were at war with a nation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not at war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we are at war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phony terrorism doesn't count, else you'd have to give ph to every soldier murdered'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is not debatable... it even has a name... "The Global War on Terror"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting public uprising as a result of your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, a bollocks a name, a better name would have been "the war against terror" at least it spells out TWAT which is what anyone who believes it's real is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose the US Revolutionary was wasn't considered a war by England?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it was, it was a war of independance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to the English'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to the english it was a colony uprising'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fort hood killings were done by your own, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's murder, not a war death'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a silly argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Doesn't have to be war.  Just a terrorist act'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'God dammit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if a purple heart had been available to the english soldiers of the day, it would not be presented to a british soldier injured in the "colony"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'colonial wars are wars'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Purple wouldn't match with their fancy retarded uniforms anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the soldiers had been out during 2011 riots and got killed, they wouldn't get a ph'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you just said it was a colony uprising... not a ear'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... WAR'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a colony uprising is a war of independence'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. we go in a circle... not to the english.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when has texas been a colony of the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why would one texan be considered an uprising? it was a murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate he wasn't texan'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If it wasn't meant to cause terror amongst the people, then yes it is murder.  I'm sure there are different medals for such an occassion'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that's another worm in the can. N....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are very deliberatly not being given ANY medals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well God damned'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just that the no-PH was made official today'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'additionally, three of the severly injured were on their way to their FIRST deployment... Since they are not war veterans, they are not getting much in the way of services'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is pretty dirty'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Unfortunate, but they shouldn't be given the benefits'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They can't bend the rules and laws for three dudes.  Then tens of thousands of people will be suing for benefits'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point taken and conceeded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Vonliege, that's the first time I've seen that phrase on debate.  I will cherish this moment forever'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might not type it again =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Were you part of the debate on nobletalk yesterday where people argued for two hours about how to define chair?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'missed that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just wanted someone to give up I couldn't handle it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sorry, it's just crazy how far people will go when they want to be right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'NO IT'S NOT, YOU'RE WRONG'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Dispel Majic's head.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HAHA... The Emergency Committee for Israel has www.chuckhagel.com registered... that would suck for chuck!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow how random'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Are they gonna post childish images of Chuck Hagel in case we're mean to israel lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's come across as rather anto-semetic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'EMERGENCY! Post the silly images, that'll show america!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's done up pro... biased... but well done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh wow I wouldn't even have known it was an israeli site'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought it was going to be an empty page to be used at a later date'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you still have trouble understanding the 2nd ammendment, you probably should read this: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/04/01/the-founders-and-the-2nd-amendment/#more-21275'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it an American city can go bankrupt?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Chapter 9.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA charged with using instant messaging to avoid transparency laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is after they got found out using private email addresses to conduct official business in order the sidestep the same laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some heads need to roll there'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annnndd,  a foxnews reporter is being demanded to attent the Colorado shooter case bcause of information given to them that violated a gag order. I guess they really really didn't want anything getting out that would upset their nice coverstory'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'death sentence being saught in Midnight Movie Shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, poor kid, gets into a darpa program, gets brainwashed and drugged up, gets told to shoot a bunch of people, then gets hung out to dry'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reaaal classy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'meh... he's not a good person'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when a cop pulls you over and says he's just gonna let you off with a warning, insist on getting the ticket.  Could be that cop's job is on the line.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That is the worst piece of legal advice I've ever heard.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well . . . second worst.  The worst was the one about how you aren't legally required to pay income taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... likely to get you a not-a-warning ticket most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a state trooper in florida actually lost his job because his boss said it was okay for him not to write a congressman a ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be the boss lose his job'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the guy who got tied up with his family in a home invasion, so he bought a shotgun (legally), was testing it out in the yard, cops came along and shot him'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the secret service agent who was so bored he almost shot Achmedjihad's head off?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have probably heard that if it had happened'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he lived to tell teh tale?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know that that's not their job, their job is victimising patriots'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Achmedjihad apparently didn't even flinch, just looked back at the agent and rolled his eyes at him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and stiffing prostitutes'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crumbs, we can't forget stiffing prostitutes'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and covering up man portable rocket shipments from libya to syria'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chinese forces on high alert in NE of the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like legitimate abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks and disappears.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm it appears my experiment has failed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And no,'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have an issue with abortion, and think it should be restricted to the first 9 weeks, and even then, should be seriously frowned upon'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless it involves a gut bust (sword, bullet, punch, etc) or you're getting high, wouldn't they all be legitimate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, it's not like street docs are kidnapping you like cadavers to work on your body against your will.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hanslanda, how do you know what goes on in my life?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's hard playing hard when street docs are stealing my fetuses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only gay people should be allowed abortions'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're a BP agent.  If you get into an embarassing situation wherein you became an easy target, could always claim you really work in the oil industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama scored 2 baskets off 22 attempts, thus proving he clearly isn't black'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He's not black, he is from heaven sent here by jesus'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using earth as a naughty step?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you watched the NBA at all this season?  Lots of black men aren't good at basketball either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be racist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama once tossed me into a basket'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was this at the party with the mexican booty?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'OMG I am still blushing at that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something to do with gay aborted egg hunts and shipping guns to mexico to blame the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think ping-pong balls were involved somehow, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michelle O fired them out of her beaver'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama almost sent me to Mexico to shut down the cartels single handedly after watching a few Chuck Norris flicks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the oversized dyke she is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They sent chuck norris instead because they didn't want a nuclear incident'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chuck norris is too busy fighting to protect his ranch from invading food stamp recipients'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol this explains why the cartels are still active'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have the 900 unexplained sea lion pup deaths got anything to do with your feet, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, I put them in a meat grinder to see how tender sea lion pups were for steaks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more tender than horses'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wonders why she would put them in a grinder for steaks... Noegel's an idiot.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and US army veterans, which also explains why the government chews them up and spits them out'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I peel out at highway intersections'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh man, that was just mean, I'm sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ahem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will China intervene on behalf of NK if USA stick their oar in?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sure hope so :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you want to experience WW3?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's even been planned'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it probably will happen sooner or later, no need to wish for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's over there, then it's over there'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'world war over there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the same definition america used in ww2 while carefully avoiding getting involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn, so if America gets involved we suck huge nuts.  And if we don't get involved, we still suck giant nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'WTF'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that, tbf'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should have not got involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much of your foreign policy problems occured because you got involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I believe if America did not get involved in WW2, shit would have been a lot worse for Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the Japanese kinda ruined things a little'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also since one of the top priorities of US foreign policy is to create the best enemies money can buy :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you didn't get involved until someone specifically targetted you, so you can rest easy on that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That and the silly Nazi to invade Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, there's a world of difference between ww2 and NK/Syria/Libya/Iran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq/VietNam etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if NK was the best enemy money could buy, you should ask for a refund'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'North Korea actually has 100,000 H-Bombs'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's a fact from my dreams, and I am a prophet.  I'm writing my own Bible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There's a korean swearword beginning with H, probably'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can make you one of my Saints, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm Saint Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're free to do what you like'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bah, you're no fun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll just make Obama my Black Magic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, watching a  jeopardy from 2 weeks ago on DVR...such a wrong clue...chocolate maker mars inc owns him and his rice brand'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a pretty nice one'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'James Holmes is an "alleged shooter"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who is James Holmes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aurora CO movie shooter'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol nice "alleged"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Innocent until proven guilty I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by the strictest definition of the law... he hasn't been CONVICTED yet... but really... its more about the "why'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, once you start making exceptions for really clear-cut cases it's a rather slippery slope to the 'we know he done it' lynchings. So while yes I agree that it sounds ridiculous in this case. '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'comma, I also think it's a good thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was more poking at the news media... laws and definitions and such don't genneraly get in the way of them being sensational... yet they say "alleged" in THIS case'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they say alleged in every case that I've seen'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Atlanta school administrators are really getting it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What what'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'test cheating scandal'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow what fools'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... like they wern't going to get caught!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol was it a state sanctioned test or was it the ol' give the football players good grades'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was state/federal tests that were used to grant big money rewards for good preformance'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'principals and teachers were cohersed to cheat - rewarded if they did... punished if they didn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh wow, shit is going to go down there then.  Cheating is a bad thing to teach our chilluns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the first clue was an inquisitive parent who was currious as to why her mentaly retarded child was suddenly getting an "A" in 8th grade reading when she had never tested above the second grade reading level'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the second clue was when the teacher told her that her child had made a comlete turn-around, and was probobly a genius, now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the third clue was when the principal of the school gave her $100 and said "shhhhhhh"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL omg I wish I was that parent to see that blatant lie come out of the teacher's mouth,'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel slaps herself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The things people do'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bail for the district superindendent was set at (or was asked to be set at) 7.5 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which make one wonder exactly how much money was scammed!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A lot!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sueprintendents make sick money'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'especially in a market like Atlanta'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck, my school district had about 1000 kids for all grades and our superintendent made $175,000 a year'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just think, pretty soon all those illegal aliens are going to start going back to mexico.....tons of shale oil and gas has been found.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel cheers and sings... she is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe Mexico won't be third world.  Oh wait, Cartels will probably run those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they want to export it to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the state knows how best to manage those resources... wouldn't want the pesants getting spoiled'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some peasant stew.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Mexico already has lots of oil.  Nothing new about that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They just need to harness the POWER!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not to mention, Mexico is hardly 3rd world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Their natural resources are abundant.  Their only real problem is an incredibly corrupt government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexico is going to finally start drilling in their side of the gulf of mexico......going to produce tens of thousands of jobs, probably more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wasn't saying it was literally third world... btw'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the downstream jobs that are important though....for every new energy job created in the US, 11 downstream jobs are created.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just a huge gap between upper and lower class.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like "oil skimming barge workers"!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well . . . that too Noegel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No amount of oil is going to solve Mexico's class problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you consider mcdonalds and walmart having to pay $18 an hour starting to get workers in areas of high energy output to be lower class....You have to start somewhere, and the US has been dependent on others for its energy for too long.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's load up and head for NORTH DAKOTA!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be nice to reduce the US imports to only Canada and Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of ND... are either of you online?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully we will have a new golden age of energy production, and new infrastructure to fix or replace the aging infrastructure we have.....it all means good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mexicans are pretty content, though (the few who head over the border withstanding)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the anti domestic energy plan of the last 40 years has been destroying our middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ANWAR'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't be an issue if caribue tasted better'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, would be nice to be producing natgas in northern alaska, and shipping it to asia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but about all they're good for is "protecting"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the enviro whackos say there are only 5 billion barrels of oil in ANWR, but come on.....we have produced almost 20 billion just WEST of anwr at prudhoe bay.....and WEST of prodhoe bay has over 50 billion barrels of heavy oil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are ANWR has shitloads of oil also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '99.9% of americans have not even been to NE alaska, and never will.....it is a desolate wasteland of swamps and permafrost'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can add about 1,000 more .9s to that stat'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only things that do live there are the caribou and small mammals.....and the caribou are thriving because of the oil pipelines :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that little postage-stamp of ANWAR goes for years without a single caribou touching it... the tundra is VAST!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the caribou keep to the prudhoe bay part....where the WARM pipelines keep them warm in the winter. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Why is it that when the federal government makes 95% of public lands available for drilling, the oil companies whine about not getting the other 5%?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I know!  I hiked 7 miles out, shot a caribou, hiked 7 miles back with a load of meat - rinse and repeat 3 times... was a two-fer... first and last!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because it's the remaining 5% that has 99.999999999% of the good stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because the best oil fields are in the 5% of that are not available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most federal lands are not open for drilling...not anymore....they have been mostly closed since clinton.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Sure.  How dare the government weigh the oil company's desire to drill against other steakholders' desire to use the land for other purposes.  The oil companies should get everything!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and another huge chunk of private lands arent available because of regulation... owners and oil companies would LOVE to drill, but can't'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama talks great about the new golden age of oil and gas in the US, and that the feds are doing their part to make it happen, but that isnt true....it is happening on private lands, not public. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but ohhhhh do the consumers whine when the price of gas (and everything that is transported with gas) goes over $3 a gallon!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of gas in the US is going to stay above $3 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did I say $3?  I meant $5'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it is ok, we dont need federal lands right now....perhaps in 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll be a wrinkly old lady by then'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ND is going to producing millions of barrels of oil each day for decades, if not longer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as will be Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I need to jump on the oil bandwagon'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege reaches down and pull Noegel up onto the bandwagon
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Smells like men up in here'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in Montana is going to increase by 200% in the next 2-3 years, same with Ohio'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege hands Noegel an ice cold and frosty mug of crude
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gas in the states is dirt cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheaper than dirt cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NY and California are going to be left behind because of their shortsightedness.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no wonder cali is broke.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was paying $12.50 a gallon in Italy'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is it in Canada?  $5-6 a gallon ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm happy with my 3.45'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$3.29 here :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooo it's at 3.29 according to the gay website'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'GAS'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lesbo gas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Noooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love those tar sands in Canada.....but it takes a long time to increase production.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is better the M60 ,the M249 or the RPD'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think for straight firepower, M60 due to the larger round'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'M249 has a higher rate of fire, even if it shoots the 5.56 round... no clue about the RPD'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'of course the M249 is much better known than the M60'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the M249 pretty much replaced the m60 didn't it?  I think the M60 has been around since the 40s'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok  got go have weather and thunder'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'M249 is completly different, and replaced the aging M60'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Makala: 'M60 was replaced by M240'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you are correct... the M249 is 5.56.. I was in error'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is the HK21 still in service?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'HK21??'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No clue'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Barca or PSG'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Barca most likely'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Grissom are you formulating the perfect arsenal?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'agreed i dont like the french expecting the french womens national soccer team,the french foreign legion and franck ribery. and no noegel i just like guns but not the school shooting way '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey, this isnt the french channel...this is the US/British bitching channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bloody limies'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Grissom I love guns as well, don't need to attach the school shooting way to the end of that statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guns a just plain fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's not like gun lovers just wake up one day and think, "I think Ima blast some fools today."'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big guns, little guns... they'r ALL fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Baron Von Reichart person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'actually it is because france always needs USA and UK to save its unmentionables '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those people who shot up schools or movie theatres had YEARS of mental issues, and society ignored them.....You get what you deserve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'asses... we save their asses... you can say ass here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No you say butts I get offended soooo easily'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is fuming.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'sorry playing a bit too much fable the last few days and can you say nicompoop'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol this is a curse channel so yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'rafeal benitz is a nicompoop's nicompoop'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'now chelsea is my first team but that guy just irritaties me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ohhh Rizgoth I'm making a steak dinner tonight I'm excited'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But no boiled carrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then your meal is not perfection!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Awww but I am replacing them with greenbeans'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about mashed potatoes, or boiled red potatoes ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And mashed potatoes with skin'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i had this friend once if you translated her surname from afrikaans to english it is bunnypants'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Coolest name ever, if you ask me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeypants'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Totally saw that coming, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth rides up upon his wardonkey and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rides up upon her warmouse and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and not surprisngly she was the fastest girl in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth rides up upon his warmoose and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like moose... SWEEEET meat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel guides her warburger next to Vonliege and squirts him with her ketchup.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom rides up with his warbunny and chews you all like a carrot
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Owww'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you just got veggied'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hassenpheffer'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MMmmmMMM!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns Grissom into a vegetable curry sauce dish.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'all dead but tasty'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, they found oil in Arkansas!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wealth for America!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No I can afford more baby cows to grind and eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an exxon pipeline ruptured and spilled thousands of barrels....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'DOH!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the EPA rejoices!  Christmas bonus' and job security for ALL!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My neighbor has been catching his project car on fire for the last couple of hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I bet the EPA would love him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it sitting under a cockaded woodpecker nest?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'would it make sense for a technology high school to have gaming as a sport'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'bayern rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who dat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'bayern munich'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'now that I know his full name, still ain't heard of him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is a football club from germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad news!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN passed it's gun control ruling'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately senate has already said they won't ratify it, though you can't trust them, they're fake liberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm thinking of the 50-100 guns that are within a 2 mile radius of me,... then I chuckle when I consider NONE of them will ever get registered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends if they do house to house searches'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they will never be able to force the issue in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might try'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime they're trying to do the same thing via financial means'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only hope there is for reducing guns is to limit or eliminate circulation of new guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is also what they're doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restrict, limit, or eliminate the flow of ammunition'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're doing that too, hadn't you noticed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and finally, thru hunting licences (if you buy a hunting licence, you have to show that your gun (at least one) is registered)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone needs to proverbially take the administration to the woodshed'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, a new one today... mandetory liability insurance for gun ownered'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't new today, but yeah, i saw that'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'new to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution to your guys trouble is to dissolve the federal government machine'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would solve a lot of your financial issues too'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never happen... next idea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you're fucked, you'll never solve it'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs the federal machine to be reigned in, it wouldn't need too many states co-operating to do that'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reined'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unilateral action needed on development and nullification'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which requires backing up with force, not backing down like a fucking pussy at the first sign of a threat like Rick Perry did'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'grr'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'amidoinitright?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am not so nieve that I don't see what politics is... it is, by definition - comprimise.  I don't like polotitians, or anyone who persues politics...  but it is what we have.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more army vets are being targetted by the feds with dodgy mental health charges in order to ban them from owning firearms'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me tell you a story....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't getting anywhere with compromise, it's what screwed you guys up in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me tell a story?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell, don't ask to tell'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just asking for some room to type... here goes...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was going to get into cowboy action shooting....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'needed four guns....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a dbl brl shotgun, a lever action rifle, and a pair of single action pistols....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'revolvers, technically...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I found the long guns locally...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no trouble there..'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the handguns, I went to thte internet... I found a pair of Ruger Vaqueros with sequential serials (.357/.38, 6", SS)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lined up a transfer with my local dealer....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two weeks later, having expected to get a call, I stopped it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stepped In to the store to see what the deal was....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the dealer (not a friend, but I give him enough business) was sort of sheepish....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'turns out I had failed the background check... '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pour que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BECAUSE... the quanitiy (2) flagged it for closer scrutiny.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at which point they discovered that I had been evaluated for mental illness....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, this is what they said they were going to do, just sidestep around the laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, I had just returned from my third tour to Iraq at the conclusion of which I was SCREENED for PTSD... and that was good enough to deny my purchase'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been going on for a while, it's only crazed liberals like Ranrr that don't want to believe what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're going after all vets'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're trained, they know what's going on, and they're awake'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised you haven't had a visit from Mr SWAT team by now, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have guns, you probably want to hide them up'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offsite, preferably'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keep one for protection that they can confiscate, hide the others'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '27 vets (iraq/aphgahnistan) were killed by LEOs in 2012... three were holding up a bank - clean shoot.  two were evading police - clean shoot.  not sure about 4 of them, but EIGHTEEN were shot in their own homes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/bw4sake is the story, sounds similar to yours, maybe you should drop them an email with your story to add to the list'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's an LEO?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'law enforcement officer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too much visiblity'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. law enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local, state or feds?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'combined... not sure what the breakout is'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad you're currently under the eye of sauron?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that just make you feel safe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's lots worse elswhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexico is, canada though?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'england, germany, italy, spain, france....   greece, china, north AND south korea....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only one on that list with government tyranny threat is NK'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the others are just poverty holes'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'USA has way more guns, and way more gun rights that ANY place with the rule of law'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they banned guns here and as a result, gun crime and violent crime rocketed'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when traveling from continental US to Alaska thru Canada, you have to ship your guns to and from... not even allowed to transport them thru canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns registered in Canada no doubt?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... USA is the only place for a gun owner to live'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'registered, limited, and tracked'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have as much luck taking away an american's gun as you would their car.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we like our cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still trying'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we like them so much that we can't even support a trans continental train route'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's so bad here that a policewoman is trying to sue a gas station because she tripped over a curb in the dark'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land of the ripped off and impoverished'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land of the debt slaves'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys had black slaves, over here they just made everyone slaves'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have much of the same here... coffee was too hot, floor was to shiny, swimming pool was too wet... on and on'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'days like today are tricky, when i tend to feel particularly aggrieved at the state of the country and particulary powerless/vulnerable to do anything about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just watched a 'motherboard' episode on 3-D printing guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'facinating... all the gun control in every debeloped county is about to be obsolete'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there just won't be any way to control something that can be made in the home (no grow lights required)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if voting is a sham, then what you say doesn't make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if DC had a cohesive story to combine the films together, they would probably do much better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a new Punisher reboot, with a team up of some kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL www.blackpeoplemeet.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Would it be bad if there was a www.whitepeoplemeet.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you can't fit more people on a plane'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Irresistible Calling portal to Empire of Talsa bid 558'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'can you use pissed on the jokes board'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can use drunk'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i mean like "pissed on someones head'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i mean like "pissed on someones head"'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, fuel cell power generators for private purchase were supposed to be available by 2009......but still no freaking fuel cell power generator, except for business use!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's my jetpack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a damn 10kwh fuel cell power generator for my cabin :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how are you going to distil the water for the fuel cell?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will bring in propane to power the fuel cell, instead of using diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I will use methanol'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methanol is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you arent talking about hydrogen fuel cells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are hydrogen, they use a machine that extracts the hydrogen from the fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if that's the case... your better off with a 5-10kw diesle generator... simple and easy to maintain'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want a damn diesel generator, already freaking have one!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then what's the issue?  things will burn everything from kerosen to jet-a.... best option there will be for a LONG time'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a nice quiet 10 Kwh fuel cell :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can buy one that is 25 Kwh, but that is the smallest fuel cell that is made right now....for cell towers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I want a jetpack because the dang roads around here follow old game trails... not a straight streach in site'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why didn't the south ever figure that out?  go to the midwest... roads go east and west.  simple, easy to navigate and maintain... HERE, you get on a road and you might end up in the dang Gulf of Mexico!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And counties are all square...so boring.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to have generational knowlege of the trails just to go buy a freaking gallong of milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be nice to also have the hot water byproduct of the fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I gave up and bought a cow'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should have just bought the piece of land that had the geothermal spring on it.....kicking myself now....'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could have installed a geothermal power generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the main trouble with fuel cells for the near-term is reliability, cost, and maintenance... we too three to the desert last go-round, and within 90 days, we had to buy diesles from the locals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they WERE quiet, but good lord did they STINK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the "who farted" kind of stink... I'm talking about debilitating, on your hands and knees vomiting STANK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our methanol fuel cell works great.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only bad thing is we have to buy our fuel from a producer in Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has it ever broke down?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular maintenence 4x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the service life?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they said 10 years, it has been 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we lease it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they take care of all the maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so they could come and take it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, we have a 10 year lease.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... but that's paper... not like you could shoot them if they showed up with a truck'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, we can...they have to have permission to come on private land...this is Texas :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would be in breach of contract.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... it IS texas, so I'll grant you that... but... would you REALLY get away with it?  what if you shot the UPS man while he was trying to deliver a package?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'UPS man doesnt come on our land, he drops packages off at the package box at the front gate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... what about if your neighbor shot the UPS man while your neighbor was getting a delivery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our nearest neighbor is well over a mile away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has no bearing on the question.. would he get away with it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your question makes no sense, because it would be the neighbor who shot the guy, not on our land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a fence surrounding our land, only 3 ways in or out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're talking around the question, so I will asnwer it for you... the answer is "NO", you would not get away with shooting the UPS man (or the DHL man, or the FEDEX man, or the jehovas witness... well maybe them).  make my day laws, are well and good, and they are fun to brag about, but at the end of the day, it is only as good as the politically motivated court system.  IF you were to shoot someone on your land, you would not get away with it unless you or your property were under threat.  This is well precedented in texas, and other states with stand your ground type laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since he wouldnt be on our land to get shot, it has no bearing anyways...he would be on public land when he was shot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps jim carrey should make an evil ups man film where the guy does whatever he can to deliver a package to a house that is barricaded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... let me bring it down a grade level or two for you... your neighbor (1 mile away, or 10 - I don't care) shoots the FEDEX man who is trying to deliver a package TO YOUR NEIGHBOR on YOUR NEIGHBORS land.  Your neighbor is going to go to jail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good for him, has no bearing on me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might pay to see that movie... if JC get his ass blown off at the end'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you concede the issue?  you can't just shoot whoever you want on your own land?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less what others do on THEIR land, only what happens on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure you can, on YOUR land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. you can shoot whoever you want... but you will go to jail, forrect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '^correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, hasnt happened yet, and we only shoot evil doers, not ups men.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just last week or so, a homeowner shot 2 home invaders as they ran away on their land....the home invaders both died.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'score one for land owners.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but there is a big difference between home invaders, ie evil doers, and a ups man....but ups men have no reason to come on the land...they have a box at the front gate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with shooting evil-doers.  I love "make my day laws".  My only point (which you just flat refuse to acknowlege) is that it is not a carte-blanc to shoot whoever the hell you want to just because their on OYUR land'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you still have to have a REASON'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the way your talking, if a kid was walking down the road on the edge of your property, and his ball rolled under your fence, you'd blow his head off for tying to get it back'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stay off my land then.....we have the wall, the gates, the signs, and the dogs....if you still want on the land...prepare to have guns in your face, and a call to the sheriff, and if you get beligerant, you will be taken down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about the ditch land, anyone can walk there, because it is PUBLIC'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Rizgoth, don't you think you would be happier if you, like, chilled out a bit man?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no ball is going to roll under the fence, it is a non issue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fly over the fense?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're just flat missing the point is all'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then they can call the house, and the ball will be returned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not buzz them through the gate, then blow their head off when they step through?  according to you, you have the right to'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I never said that, you did :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we wouldnt buzz them in as you just said, we would just return the ball after they called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that has never actually happened since like I said, the nearest neighbor is about 1 mile away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the issue is that you maintain that make-my-day lets you shot who ever you want on your land. [03 Apr 10:06:00] (Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, we can...they have to have permission to come on private land...this is Texas :)''
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is ranch country, not suburban home country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes we do, but it doesnt mean we would just shoot anyone who comes on the property who doesnt intend harm....that is why we have strong no tresspassing laws here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather see them in jail, or fined $500'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if they intend harm, they will get it back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'am glad we don't have trespass laws in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think Rizgoth means if you feel threatened, you should be able to destroy them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess that's as close as your going to come to saying "we can't shoot anyone we want"'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think he would shoot some kid running after his ball'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since that has never actually happened, most people can read the sign and call the main house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no..  am sure HE wouldn't... but the make-my-day law applies to EVERYONE... even tards and phycos'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like it not, there are people in the world (even in TX) that would abuse the crap out of a low that let them shoot anyone they wanted to on their own land... that is why, make my day or not, you can't just shoot anyone you want'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, you think it's okay to shoot people who can't read?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we prefer to keep a low profile...we are a ranch afterall, and have all kinds of domestic animals around, we prefer intruders to call the main house so that a ranch hand can go get them and bring them on the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why we have signs as the law requires, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if intruders do come on the land, but that would be in the farther parts of the ranch, they never make it to the main part of the ranch without being seen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which brings me all the way back around to what started this rabbit-hole debate... IF the people who OWN your generator decided to come and haul it away (they can always find a legal reason), AND they showed up at your gate WITH a sherif, you would have to give them the generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and how far on do they get before you shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont shoot first, we warn first, and escort them to the point where they tresspassed, so that we can fix that part of the fence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since we have a contract with them, and they respect our business.....they would go to the front gate, and call the main house, a ranch hand would come and get them.  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we have a 10 year lease, it is enforceable...the only way they can get it back is by providing a new one to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have never had to shoot anyone who has intruded on the land fortunately....most people can read the signs, and hear the dogs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watched a motherboard story yesterday... a fellow had a leased 3D printer.  he used it to print gun parts.  the leasor confiscated it because the contract said it could not be used for ILLEGAL activity.  the truth ended up being that there was no law against what was being done, so there was no illegal activity... but the company still got its printer back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have called the sheriff who has arrested people who tresspassed though'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the company has the right to put whatever they want in the lease agreement, but so do we.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as we do not break the lease, they cannot just take the machine back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you think your lease has language that says it can't be used for illegal activity?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt be in their best business interests to pull crap like that anyways, we have no problem switching to another provider if we had too....'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a link to that story, BTW.. I think you'd enjoy it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not used for illegal activity anyways, so it is a moot point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '3D printing will make every gun law in the world obsolete in 10-15 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a backup generator period, the power is unstable around here, and we are at the end of the line.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT.. the company (IF they really wanted their property back) could make a good enough claim to get the sherif interested'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'die infidel trespasser die!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently transporting horses by airplane is a pain in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'almost as bad as transporting airplanes by horses'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Aryia is getting the axe in the first part of the next SoIaF book '
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so sources say... not a lot of credit should be given, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stems from a "private" conversation between George RR Martin and the producers of the HBO series...  They would apparently like him to pare down the lost of key characters before season 5 of the show starts production... or there might not BE a season 5'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's even a bit of scuttle butt that the final instalation of the story may go to TV prior to print... that would be season 6, if my math is right... or 7?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people actually watch game of thrones?  I have never seen one episode.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... the only reason I even entertain the notion of anything I just typed is that GRRM, by his own admition on his blog, is tired of writing, and really likes bing involved in the production of the show.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just watched season 2... it was entertaining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Weeds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good production - plenty of blood and guts - could have done without the extra sex'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if got was available on netflix, I might watch it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but apparently HBO doesnt like netflix.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as always, the book was better, but you can't watch the book.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'morning?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instant ramen is considered the japanese greatest invention of the 20th century by a poll done of japanese citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, I'll be damned...Obamacare is mandating that the Coast Guard help manage Health Care quality...'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Are you criticizing the Chosen One, heathen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno yet.  Why should a police force have any say in health care quality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Although I can't think of anything at the moment, I'm sure they have special qualifications relating to health care quality.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like OC will be a clusterfuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe they're using the CG to enforce the death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'You say that as though death panels are bad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least Obamacare protects our rights to informational privacy about our guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any company offering a health and wellness program cannot collect gun info on you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/03/co_democrat_doesnt_understand_high-capacity_magazines_can_be_reloaded.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the the sort of people in charge that are passing gun control laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupidest news of all:'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and $500 million can be spent on humorous marketing of preventive care.  Kinda reminds me of what Philly did.  They hired angry clowns and mimes to promote safe driving, and instituted a texting-only lane of traffic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats right, Obama is going to push the banks to make exactly the same mistakes as Clinton did that directly caused the property bubble that burst leaving so many families repossessed'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone give the man a golf clap'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'POW! ca-click. POW! ca-click. POW!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to Obamacare, the Independant Payment Advisory Board doesn't have to make out the reports Obamacare has outlined for them to make.  When they do not, HHS has to do it instead.  Additionally, this IPAB can accept gifts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no limitations on those gifts, by the way, so healthcare providers can gift these people to vote their way.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hands up if you haven't figured out that Obamacare is a fix put in for the enrichment of health insurance and pharmaceuticals/medical corporations?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of you know, guess others are too embarassed to answer because they fear i'm right'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cigna is adding video games to their health plans now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'health-risk assessments.  Each level you complete causes them to add money into your health savings account.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-plan-now-video-games-191210581.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder if Kim Jong Un's targetting of Austin Texas has to do with Alex Jones taking the piss out of him repeatedly on his radio show'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, health 'games', involving taking lots of expensive shots that have been proven ineffective, ensuring you have regular expensive checkups, like a mandatory 'advertising' game, joy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tuna is an amazing fish....watching a docu on sushi.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder, though, why sometimes it tastes like dolphin...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'a bug in the matrix'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, Anaristos confessed to tasting (and eating) dolphin prior to eating Tuna'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these indi game makers are posers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 1995, a joint US/Norway scientific missile launch almost caused Russia to launch a full scale missile attack against NATO countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently someone forgot to send a memo to the Russians about the missile launch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'russians dont like memos imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, snowball earth is bad....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to go back to the snowball earth, when the daytime temp was -60 F at the equator?   The snowball earth lasted for around 200 million years until continental drift finally melted the ice and spewed enough gasses into the atmosphere to raise the avg temp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not I, sounds too cold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Is somebody proposing that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are doomed :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, shit nuggets'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Good thing I have enough firewood to last at least a month, I wonder if I can collect enoought to last a few tens of thousands of years'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Chevron royally polluted the eastern part of Ecuador.....hundreds of millions of gallons of toxic oil waste dumped into the environment, and never cleaned up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my mistake, over 10 billion gallons have been dumped in the last 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm I guess dumping my car oil into the ocean wouldn't make much of an impact then'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil noe, string em up and whip em with a oil soaked noodle!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm noodles'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There used to be over 100,000 hemp farms in the US, and then it was banned to promote cotton farms instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there used to be over a million slaves in the US, then they were freed to promote civil librities'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously, Rizgoth... why do you suppose that is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cotton was king in the day'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then there was that little inconvienience that peoplel found out hemp was good for other things besides making rope'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hemp for Victory!  -- A US military film to promote the production of hemp in the US in 1937.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a classic'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I bet there'r some stoners out there that would love to have that movie poster'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, the plants used for hemp production have less then 1% THC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still... Hemp?  US Military?  together on a poster?  priceless'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides, yell hemp in a crowded, then poll the people to see what they thought you ment, and 99.9% would say "pot", not "rope"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of govt propaganda against hemp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that may be true, but it does change the fact that to most people, hemp = high.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love hemp seeds, I buy em in powderized form from a Canadian country to add to smoothies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'company even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't worry about the typos with me... I figured out what you ment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because I don't smoke pot, and my mind is crisp and clear!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I dont smoke either, never could inhale the smoke, :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... that was spliting hairs... I don't ingest any mind altering substances such as THC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I dont care if others do, just not around me, I have no control over it then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except maybe a beer on the fourth of july'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with eating THC though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buy society (which IS you, wether you admit it or not) pays for those who do smoke pot, eventually'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I still don't care :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only care that we waste billions in dillars each year on a bogus war on drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you aren't fighting it, so why do you care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my tax dollars are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that affects me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but your tax dollars are also paying for drug rehab, domestic violence prevention, law enforcement, on and on....  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all expenses of drug use by OTHERs'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a way better topic than generators, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said, I am only against spending tax dollars on fighting the war on drugs as it has to do with marijuana, except for growing on public lands, that should continue to be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yes, because a major side effect of MARIJUANA is definitely domestic violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg user of pot sits in front a tv looking for boobs, they do not go around beating up people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be meth users.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And coke!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(that's my point)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '(yay!)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but while those people are sitting in front of the TV looking for boobs, the rest of the tax payers are buying them groceries, paying for their cable and electricity, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I still love that the world's fastest swimmer, michael phelps, was openly smoking pot in college.  Kinda destroys that "you'll never do anything with your life if you smoke" myth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please, every pot smoker I know has a job, a good one usually in computing or banking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need pot to survive those types of jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'really?  the countries president was openly snorting coke in college... pot is nothing'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cocaine!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I know a range from unemployed bums to 100,000+ salaried government folk'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel misses Blue Mountain State.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont support legalization of actual harmful drugs, like crack, cocaine, meth, lsd, or any of the new designer drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but I think everyone advocating drug tests for welfare should present a public record of their own drug tested blood.  If being drug free is a qualifier for receiving public money, public officials should be no exception.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a military retiree, and veteran who recieved tax payer funded pay, I can tell you... I HAD MY blood drawn and tested several times a year.  I would expect no less for people who get that money for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is funny when you catch a large load of drugs at the checkpoint and marijuana cigarette smokers see they always get excited and state how much they would like to take it off our hands :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can probably blame william randolph hearst for the govts war on hemp back in the 1930s and 40s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was a silly fellow'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...he wanted to protect his wood pulp business. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know, I meant silly in a dumb way.  Greed can really mess up things in the long term when you originally think it is no big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'widespread hemp growing was starting to infringe on the wood pulp business to make paper....since hemp is more efficient for making paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My job would easier if Marijuana was legal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No excitement in writing up marijuana loads.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and william hearst was the largest owner of timberlands that produced the wood for paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a parent, I don't want my children to have the same easy level of access to marijuana as they do to cigarettes and alchol.  Those are temptation enough.  I spend a lot of effort raising and mentoring them, but I am not so nieve as to believe they will never try the latter... I just don't want them near the former.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was in high school, marijuana was way more common that alcohol... about the same as cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Marijiuana is very easy to conceal and sell at school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cigarettes were sold by the seniors, but marijuana was sold by the kids from families that had small time dealers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, same.......the pot heads had all the connections, they could get you anything you wanted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the alcohol was mostly moonshine where I grew up, not store bought.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Never saw alcohol sold in my school.  You would have to go to a party for that and there was usually parental supervision.  Then again, my town was a tiny farming village'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol smuggling is huge in Alaska.....a 5th of booze that sells for $20 at anchorage can easily sell for $400 at a dry village.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so many people make moonshine in the dry villages.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Holy shit nuggets'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's a big profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whenever you ban something, you make people want it more from my experience.....I enjoyed drinking before I was 21, but once it was legal to me, I lost interest. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the breaking the law was the attraction to me, not the booze.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA receives a bonus of $1.05 for every marijuana plant that is siezed, but most plants siezed are hemp plants, not marijuana.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Make the most of the indian hemp seed, and plant it everywhere. -- George Washington'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a c. 1965 pamphlet published by the USDA via the Federal Extension Agency titled "Contoling Insects"... it advocated dumping your waste oil on wet lands to inhibit the breeding of mosquitos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then again, future generations will look back at us and see our ideals, practices, and motivations to be silly and stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of them... certainly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently US law enforcement doesnt have the ability to tell the difference between hemp and marijuana, but law enforcement in other western countries do...they are must be smarter in other countries. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some strange countries even allow the growing of hemp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As if hemp was a useful plant, and not used for drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont know any marijuana growers who grow hemp to sell to drug dealers, :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would only work once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My understanding from a lot of growers we secondary is that they grow their own marijuana at home because marijuana from the cartels is generally really shitty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, skunk weed from mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has more mold then pot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol yeah whenever I cut through the thick bundle layers and the weed falls out, it looks so gross'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and smells moldy ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, smells like pot to me.  Usually an overwhelming scent when theres thousands of pounds sitting in front of you'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have some shirts that are 40% hemp, and the rest cotton, and they are the best shirts I ever had....they last longer then polyester.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana causes white women to seek sex from negroes and entertainers -- US Govt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Marijuana made me gay for five seconds one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since everything the govt says is true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Snooky has been super gay a couple times today'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I was having sex with my baby mama when I just started sucking a dick. She was like "wtf?" So I quit doing that and finished her off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some random dude was standing there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is weirded out and confused.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No it was just me and her.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZusZOSgt3M'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she is a shemale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a shemale :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait what'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am a he-male'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'does that mean gay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to the father of modern medicine, cannibis indica is the best treatment for migraine headaches, and pain in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean Hippocrates?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No Vost, it means that I have enough testosterone to power multiple sets of balls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said modern medicine, not ancient medicine :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What about for cluster headaches, yikes :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I believe the founder of modern medicine also reccomended leeches for various ailments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sir william osler wrote the textbook on modern medicine in the 1890s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'a spoonful of honey and cinnamon will cure most shit except maybe dick AIDs'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Medicine is one of those areas where you can't necessarily assume that an idea is good just because it's old.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNouKvGCqIM'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cluster headaches are not yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and fyi, leeches are extremely helpful in cleaning wounds and healing of wounds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so is neosporen'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and maggots are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so are maggots'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I always wanted to have a maggot like deep inside a gash in my leg eating all the bad stuff. I would be on lots of drugs so it would just tickle. That would be better than TV for me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The sound of thousands of maggots sounds like hamburger meat blegh'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA under obama has raided more marijuana dispenseries then bush ever did in 8 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is a fucking prick and I hate how idiot liberal supporters let him get away with murder just because he is black and supports gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'troll much?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Oh?  Has Obama murdered someone? Or are you just suggesting that raising taxes on people with 6 figure incomes is the moral equivelant to murder?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama murdered my hopes and dreams'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the debate channel!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'murdering people with drones is murder. Coming after people's gun rights is condoning murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is the most anti-liberty president that we have had in a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'On the same topic though - there are dozens of studies and countries that have fairly strict gun ownership laws and have been shown that it reduces gun violence.  That's the principle he's trying to accomplish with implementing gun laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Right.  Dropping bombs is strictly an Obama thing.  No other president has ever done that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Drones are killing people in the US ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are they Clone Drones ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'i though north korea is going to take care of the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Hivemind drones'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Skynet Drones ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien chuckles at Rizgoth's joke.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the Aard Hive have drones?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'has'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah in many of those studies violent crime seems to go up as well. Those countries are not the US so you can't just say "lol it worked for the UK and Japan"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Shall not be infringed dammit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'violent sexual crimes go up when ice cream sales go up.  maybe we should ban ice cream.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh go buy a damn gun, 5000 rounds of ammo and be quiet.....:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav is agreeing with that Leinei person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'okay.  Link me those studies.  I'm curious now, because every study I've read shows that violent crimes decreases.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You're seriously suggesting that a provision in the constitution that speaks of a "well regulated militia" forbids all regulation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm anti-ice cream, and anti-happiness too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(that is a true fact, by the way)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ammo is hard to come by nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well regulated doesnt mean what you think it does or what you want it to mean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Yes it does - proper background checks for /any/ purchase of a gun, longer periods for other types of guns, full on assault ban, so no one can own an assault weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well regulated means well maintained not "we can make whatever laws and restrictions we want for a more pansy friendly society"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Feds currently do research on marijuana to find out the THC levels of the street weed, but refuse to allow the federal researchers to do medical testing on the weed to see how it can be used to help people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why should american citzens not be allowed to own whatever liberals describe as an "assult weapon"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Why does anyone in the general populace /need/ to own an assault weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Need is irrelvant, I have a right to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I own 7 of them......want to go shooting at the range ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And I should continue to have a right to. To say I cannot is unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'You presuppose that you need the right to own these.  You don't.  You just want it because joe schmoe next door does.  I'm still waiting for you to show that gun laws increase violent crimes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I need to own an assault weapon because assault weapons also happen to be the most effective defense weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"Assult weapon" isn't a very well-defined concept.  Let's ask a more specific question:  Why should a convicted felon be able to buy an automatic rifle with a 30-round magazine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They can't Lamya, not legally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because in the USA constitution it does you have a Right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer shotguns for defense of my home actually'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love using assault weapons at the gun range....so much fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Agreed Snooky.  But you have taken the position that the Second Amendment forbids ALL gun regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That is my opinion on it yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and assault weapon paintball guns are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If so, that would mean that convicted felons have a constitutional right to buy a fully automatic rifle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'You take the second amendment out of context - A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[16].  Are you part of a well regulated militia?  No?  Okay, then you don't have the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'd really be interested in hearing you justify that position.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I believe that every American citizen should be able to be armed as well as a modern infantrymen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Personally use a shotgun at home as well, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Makala: 'they should have M2s in the home? that would be interesting :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hall cleaners :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'assault rifles for all'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am not american so i dont really care'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Again Korridel you are just reading it the way you want to and not how it actually is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, convicted felons should be able to have M-16s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, Lamya, M4s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'What part of it saying "Well armed militia" is me misreading it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is not trolling.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I want a CA-130 spooky gunship :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have a tank in our front yard.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What kind of tank Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want a B2 Spirit stealth bomber'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sen. Dianne Feinstein, how sponsered the current gun legislation in Washington, honestly believed that you bought magazines full of bullets for your gun... like a "gun-battery".  How can she propse to legislate something that she hasn't even taken the time to understan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'A propane tank?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'M1 abrams'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Andurien cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 20 years old, was military surplus, the barrel was blocked, but we replaced it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Erie silence from Snooky. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what did you replace it with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is illegal to unblock a tank barrel also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'There are two parts to that sentance in the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to a well regulated militia AND the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a new barrel made by a local metal guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A heavy duty pipe, you told him?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't understand how pansy people are when it comes to freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we know the guy, a family friend, it is military specs barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Does Charles Manson have a right to carry a machine gun?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Lamya quit strawmanning. Nobody argued that felons should have guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Very nice, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tank sits on a small hill, so people driving by can see it.....you would be surprised how many people stop and ask about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Actually, you are the one suggesting that the Second Amendment gives every American an absolute right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I can argue that we are too quick to make people felons however, but that is another argument.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'A convicted felon is a lesser citizen seperate from the rest of us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If it's an absolute, inalienable right, then the government can't take it away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's fine if that is your only argument though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'who needs liberty when we have Xbox, Facebook, smartphones, mmo games etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, if you commit a felony, you're a felon'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'riz if i saw a tank id also pull over and want to look at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so if you ever drive around rural Texas roads, and see a tank on a small hill with the guns pointed at the road....that is our ranch. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's an ammendment. You can change an ammendment but there is a very stringent process to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, aside from people who the government has designated as "Felons" who else, in your mind, is a "lesser citizen"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Me :(('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Lamya'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'calling all trolls, this debate needs to be restarted...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel responds to the call!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uzis and mac 10s are only good for shooting at watermelons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'I say this whole issue is to be judged from your own perspective: for example if you have never been a victim of gun related crime you probably would say it is wrong but if have been a victim you might say it is the right thing to do '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Grrr the Watermelon King'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'don't think the watermelons would agree... :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If you change your stance on the 2nd JUST because someone you know gets shot, you are a coward and your opinion isnt worth a whole lot on the matter anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's not a perspective issue it's a rights issue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Snooky person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither and will lose both.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'big words, I guess on your planet no one ever change their mind because of a traumatic experience?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Society's view on the levels of liberty vs. safety certainly has shifted over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Andurien person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So I suppose you think the rule that says you can't bring a gun onto an airplane is unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sure they do. But to say "wah my son got shot no citizens should be able to own guns" is a bitch ass thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But it is still a rights issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hear the West Point Annual paintball war is pretty exciting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And Snooky, kindly lose the straw man.  Nobody's saying "no citizen should be allowed to own a gun."  They're saying things like, "nobody should be able to buy a gun without a background check -- even if they're buying it from a 'gun show'."  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Saying you can't have a gun on an airplane has nothing to do with the 2nd Lamya.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i love paintball'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So I should'nt be able to sell or give a gun to my child without paperwork and a backround check? Fuck that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Doesn't it?  It seems you've retreated from your position that the "right to bear arms" is absolute.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'paintball is great.....good way to practice shooting people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No I just understand the constitution better than you Lamya. An airport is a business. They can say what you can and cannot do in thier airport and on their airplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'thats what I use CoD for... it even taught me how to reload before my clip was empty just so I'd be rdy... ::eye roll::'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You do know that the people who stop you from bringing guns onto airplaines (the TSA) is part of the federal government, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The TSA stops us from doing a lot of things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'snooky and lamya maybe you two should submit your opinions to your congressmen and maybe you can get your way :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or alternativly they could just stfu'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that would be even better styx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes it does.  Mainly, it stops people from keeping and bearing arms on airplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Styx what were we thinking? Debating on the debate channel! Jeez'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Better than on the gossip channel for sure'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe you should take your styx ass back to obscurity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'huh?  That didn't even make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe you should take your styx ass back to obscurity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean you never say anything ever unless it is to sound like a snob.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'nope, still doesn't, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So run along thinking you are somebody. Hiveling.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not saying I don't like you Styx but it made sense to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'always liked 1st amendment best, but 2nd is important too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt need all this TSA bullshit if we would just target people from the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Please watch the personal attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Israelis can see an evil doer just from looking at them and how they act, and they are mostly right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'target like move the cross hairs more accurately before pulling the trigger?  didn't we go to two countries and do that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, couldnt think of the word I was trying for, so I used target instead :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'racial profiling, that is it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Border patrol agents are trained to look for how people act when they cross the border, correct noe ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'racial profiling is great until the other side does it, then it is a terrible breach of civil rights...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Border Patrol Agents do not man the ports of entry'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The patrol the lands between the official ports of entries'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them, I could care less if the middle eastern countries do it themselves....most of them already do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the bp is just a bunch of lackeys who chase after the illegals who cross the border? :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I suppose if you want to call us lackeys... everybody who has a boss is a lackey :-p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least you get the ride the atvs right ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'only if you're certified'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which I am :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'certified insane?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my 3 yr old 2nd cousin is certified.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'So you've met your future wife Riz?  Thats nice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think your three year old does the same things on atvs :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably, not, give him a couple years. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heehee'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Certified: Course the government gets you so they can fuck you if you get hurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Gives you'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm way too young for Riz btw styx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'and he liked boiled carrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'K bye'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see......a medical marijuana dispenser was arrested by the feds, and a $400,000 bail was set......a federal agent was arrested for child porn....hundreds of videos were found in his house and on his computer, and he was bonded for $5,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'some guy who produces corn sent a bunch of 20-21 year kids into a grain machine, with the thing on, and two of them got sucked to their deaths, and his fine got slashed to something like 5,000 bucks too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'red corn eh ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'yeah, the maximum penalty for reckless endangerment of your employees lives, and rampant disregard for regulations is a misdemeanor with 6 months in prison. maximum. it's true: justice doesn't exist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a reason why cameras are not allowed in federal courthouses....they dont want you to know the truth of the banana republic justice taking place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe it's because not everyone who gets dragged in front of a federal judge is ever found guily, and doesn't deserve to be web-cast around the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VLC is good for video, and boot leg episodes of Game of thrones... but for podcasts, I'd go with winamp'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oops... wrong chennel'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'do north korea have nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michael jackson would still be alive if he had used marijuana instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So what do you all think about the U.N. gun ban treaty that was signed the other day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'here we go again'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I shot that treaty in the nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is obviously an aggravated felon.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The treaty litterally has a part in it that says pretty much that civilians need to be disarmed because they threaten the power monopoly of the state.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'what gun ban tre3aty?  ban guns where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's a United Nations treaty. So it only means something to countries if they want it to lol. But just the idea is horrible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'so this is banning guns accross it's member nations?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'meaning no one anywhere can have gins?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes that is the objective.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'guns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'including militaries?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Civilians only.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so the UN peacekeepers will use sticks'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'bwahahahahahahahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world leaders (political, business, religious) may be planning more financial meltdowns and mass genocides, so they want a disarmed public so the financial gambleers may bankrupt the general public and the deathsquads may kill the unwanted populations unopposed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'joke.  and as they say here in the US, criminals won't obey the treaty anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Be sure to send the gun ban memo to the terrorists, they will be glad to know that no one will have guns to shoot them with when they attack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'you can't put the genie back in the bottle, close pandora's box, etc.  invent a time  machine and then go kill the inventor of gunpowder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Monsanto wants immunity from being sued so that they produce and distribute products that result in mass exterminations'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you stopped taking your medication again ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a mass epideminc of cancers is going to be painful to a lot of unwanted victims'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'B-b-but Zade disarming citizens will redoose cryMe! You need to be a forward thinker like Obama and the Liberal hivemind!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'reduce crime by executing the criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Being weak and a victim is the new thing now in America.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the UN Treaty, are the first world nations going to cease and desist from selling weapons to the arab warlords and terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'all those islamic jihadist Arabs are going to prefer to arm themselves even more than before'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dutch researchers have created a new bird flu virus that could wipe out the human race.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was spamming someone else and it bled over into debate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Family defense is for shotguns'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want full auto'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Shotguns suck for that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But rifles are good for hunting and long range defense'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Why snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'with an under-barrel grenade launcher'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern bows and arrows are good for long distance defence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Skynet may yet be worried that 300 million smii-automatic rifles may destroy a loot of those killer drones sent to exterminate the excess unwanted public'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i designed a collar mounted shotgun for my dogs, it's bark activated. i  rely upon them to defend my home.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why would you want a shotgun with as few as two shells? They kick hard. And AR-15 will treat you much better. Especially for women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern shotguns have 12 shots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you are sitting in a castle, crossbows may be more convenient'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the best part is, if they kill someone they get put down, and i get off scot-free.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shotguns can  have way more shells than that snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the asians that defended their stores during the LA riots used AR-15s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said as few as.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know they can have more duh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And for hallways you just have to point your shotty around the corner and you're almost guaranteed to hit em'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'an ar-15 can have as few as that as well :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 50 shot p90 rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus, the sound of a shotgun getting ready to kick ass de-escalates a lot of situations quickly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well an AR-15 typically has a 20-30 round magazine to go with it. They have more regulations on the type of shitgun you can own than rifles these days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Noegel, are you Joe Biden irl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I KNEW thats why you were such a loose cannon. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love shotgun shells filled with bear repellent....shoot the bastard in the face with that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And shotguns don't kick as bad as people make it seem.  I'm 5'1.5" and I can handle a shotgun with slugs just fine at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a family requires several semi-automatic rifles and lots of ammo to defend against the death squads (that the Snooky propagandists of disarm-the-public  seem to be supporting indirectly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Zade I was being sarcastic with the anti gun remarks. I know it might have been hard to catch it. I'm not as good at expressing sarcasam through the MUD as abe is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am 100% non-bitch ass pansy and pro gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN leaders and bureaucrats are obviously planning mass exterminations -- disarming the public is among the steps'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A gay pansy according to your comments earlier'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'me? sarcastic? NEVER!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Erm, non-pansy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if you honestly believe that any sort of handheld weapon would do you any good against a modern military if the government turned against the population you're seriously misinformed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarvasm in debate is a mortal sin'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarcasm in debate is a mortal sin'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fawlty, I overrun tank armies and fighter jets with my rifle everyday JUST FOR FUN!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and which modern military might you be referring about ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'pick one. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wont be the US military.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh and smart artillery?  I shoot those shit smart shells right out of the air!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Fawlty what is your answer to a tyranical government? Let me guess it's do what they want because the own you right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But not everyone is as awesome as me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'My answer is passive resistance. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles about passive resistance.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I love that sort of defeatist logic. If our weapons "won't help us" then tell me why they try so fucking hard to take them from us?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The answer is that there isn't a they, they're just us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'As a christian I also believe that resistence to tyranny is obedience to God.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel looks at Snooky ponderingly.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Are your guns going to help you when the hosts of heaven descend from heaven to lay waste to mankind?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Explain, please, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a debate, the opponents are going to interpret the "sarcasm" as either support for their agenda or an admission that the "sarcastic twit" is deranged and (expletive deleted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I shoot down angels with my AR-15.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'll apologize for that then Zade, that was my first time being sarcastic ever in my life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love riding angels as warplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we're not really debating, we're just entertaining ourselves while we level, i think. maybe i've got it wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I just want to have these discussions while it is still legal to do so:P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'One time, I rode an angel at the Alamo and punched Santa Anna in the nuts during a fly-by, it was pretty sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a debate, there is no "sarcasm", everything "sarcastic" you say and type shall be used as evidence against you and your (defective) platform'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel thinks Zade is a defective platform.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo !'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know Zade, I was on the debate team once. I was a master at it. I was beating dudes off with both hands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In a debate of course.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you say you were "sarcastic", your opponents say you were "serious"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey Rizgoth did you go to the Alamo when they had Travis's letter on display for like a few days?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky watches on as Zade goes on a trip to TANGENT-TOWN.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I bring my shotgun to debates, "Let's see how your logic does against force, debate nerds!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I blame this on Obama, Evolution, and Legitimate Abortions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty can I buy you a pretitle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion is murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'question what is legitmite rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'will it be Basil?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's not going to be "The Hive is" is it snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(a visit to tangent-town may be the last chance in some while to flush (flesh) out a tirade against "debate sarcasm")'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'i was at the battle of the alamo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I like your tirade, Zade, please continue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was thinking "Logic is" for your pretitle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, you're a pussy if you're still alive then haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'santa anas donkey saved me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I liked the letter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But Zade, there was no debate. This started with me and you circle jerking our pro guns and freedom stances.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was a badass.  Basically, "Yeah there are more than a thousand mexicans and four thousand more coming in a couple days, but God sent some bushels of corn and we're awesome.  Probably gonna die, but whatever.  We're gonna kill a lot of mexicans.  k bye"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If you'd like, you may, buy you might still be annoyed at me for unfriending you. I was Cloudkicker yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wants a donkey.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'YOU'RE Cloudkicker!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and Abyssinian, and Caelestis. Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So you unfriend me because you don't like drama, and then you come into a debate starring Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we named a lake after him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '*confused Jackie Chan*'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'After his donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, travis'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty cuddles Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought you were continuing your usual donkey antics'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That's Fawlty logic for you...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Can I talk about all the fag celebrities that are coming out as pro gun? I've never lost respect for more people at one time as I have this month.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I meant anti gun'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Like Snoop Dogg says the guns gots to go yo'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If anyone needs guns it's the "fags," how else are they supposed to defend themselves from the homophobes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the heterosexuals requires to be extremely weaponed and stocked with ready-to-use ammunition, to defend against the heterophobes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But Liberal hivemind thinking has convinced gays that the only freedom they should be concerned with is gay marriage and nothing else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is asexual and can't marry anybody :(
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In any case, Snooky, look at things from the perspective of a newbie. 1) you are right, and your ex-clan is full of petty jerks. in that case, being your friend potentially alienates a large percentage of the player base. 2) if you're wrong, it means you're paranoid and i'm better off avoiding close personal contact with you. 3) if it's all some sort of elaborate sarcastic joke, then i haven't been playing long enough to be in on it. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't tell Nird'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He already knows.  I only marry my replicated beings'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It seems that thinks like flagrant drone strikes and the NDAA are okay as long as he cock teases making same sex marriage legal for another three years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cock teases?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Don't forget that we're still torturing people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel looks absent-minded, her eyes staring into space. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'NDAA ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And Fawlty it's no big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no such thing as flagrant drone strikes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Good. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'd rather not discuss all that stuff anymore. I am actually writing a book about it and I am gonna post it all on one of the boards. Havent decided which yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'guide to trolling will the books name right>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade approves the using of drone strikes against islamic arab terrorists in the middle east
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'spam board'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, do you use drones to hunt deer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when I can find one, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That would be so fun!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use them in Alaska to hunt wolves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aw, that's not as exciting as the dudes who used to hunt them in helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably faaaar cheaper though'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'best use of drones, spying on the public: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/08/16903237-seattle-cancels-police-drone-program-after-outcry-over-privacy-issues?lite'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Snooky to post a book on the boards -- perhaps there is an echo board'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the whackos got mad when we used the choppers, so we switched to drones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh my God why would they get mad about helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'when i have kids, i'm buying a drone to follow them around so i can watch their every move.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably because we sometimes launched a missile at the whackos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'huniting animals in helicopters in unsporting, unless those animals are islamic arab terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hunting animals in helicopters is seen by some as unsporting and misusing technology -- (god may become angry)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'god created the chopper and the animals, so obvious that he supports the hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Rizgoth, there are some technologies that are crimes to misuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If there is an overpopulation, I say not only helicopters but use rockets to wipe em out'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you can whine to satan about it when you go before him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and god is likely to (totally) unforgiving'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan is my bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I make him clean my house'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I've tried fishing from a helicopter. It sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that spread radioactivity around and poison the landscape for billions of years -- likely unforgivable'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm talking conventional explosives'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus the avalanches would get rid of more on the way down and any small villages'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'radioactive pollution is often for keeps -- lasts longer than diamonds and herpes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan got herpes from my kitten while he was cleaning the litterbox'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radioactive pollution has a half life, and in a few years it would be low enough to be safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a diomaond is forever" -- so is herpes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan has eternal herpes now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm back, Zade unplugged my labtop with a drone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depleated uranium makes damn good ammo shells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a half-life of a few billion years with allegedly depleted uranium'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depleted even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depleted U238 actuallu contains a lot of U235 and other radioactives that were unable to be extracted by the centrifuge process '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"satan" mwrely means "adversary"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Satan" likely means "Adversary"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan actually means my bitch who makes me pie'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, the profit of the company that makes Angry Birds has risen over %112 in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are a lot of wannabe satans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angry Birds is a Gold mine'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They had no idea such a simple game would make so much'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they made $170 million in profit last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that game sucks to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I prefer Metal Gear'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'metal gear has no profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'are you kidding?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nott like angry birds '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angry Birds probably costs almost nothing to develop lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of big game makers lost money in 2012...the big winners were the small companies that make simple games.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Of course not like angry birds. Metal Gear is much more intelligent and refined. But why would the hive want that when they could fill their heads with angry ass birds and buy angry bird products for their shitty kids?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because you can't play Metal Gear solid on your cell phone while in a waiting room for an hour?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though I play Real Racing on my phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because angry birds star wars blows metal gear out of the starship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel casts magic spells and hexes on Rizgoth!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops wrong genre'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I tried metal gear solid...was bored out of my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smartphones are a huge expenditure of money, and the marks want some smartphone game to justify the expense, so they pick the least worst games  (and yet somebody mentioned that indi games were extremely bad and perhaps a scam)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Actually I have metal gear mobile and metal gear acid on my phone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'borderlands was fun though, driving the rover was cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'super meat boy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'super meat boy sold 1.1 million copies in the last 2 years....made the TWO people in the company millions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1.1 million copies divided into millions, means that that smast-phone games sell for more than a dollar -- too expensive '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wasnt a phone game'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a brazenly horrid scam was tap-fish'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a downloadable xbox game.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '300 levels of insanely hard fun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tapfish -- teach the children to feed and keep virtual starving fish alive, and drain daddy's credit card'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what does the player learn by doing those 300 levels "by playing Super Meat Boy, you wasted your life!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least here on Aardwolf, you get to debate and learn something'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an angry birds film is being made.....plus a cartoon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They need to make an Angry Tits game, it'll sell WAY more than those gay birds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the original angry birds passed the 1 billion downloads mark'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean for fucks sake kids actually dress as those fucking birds for halloween.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What kind of shitty kid whats to be an angry bird of all things?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to make an Angry Eskimos game......going to be a billionaire!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My stepson asked for an angry bird costume once. And I deleted his number from my phone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not another horridly-drawn cartoon series with inane Crow characters advocating violence to children "Hey kids, i don't like the look of that building over there. Cheer on while the building is demolished"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crazy news day'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN are under fire - one of their blokes in Zimbabwe got fired by their head there after reporting concerns about Cholera outbreaks and violence during the elections. He took it to the UN tribunal who agreed that he was treated badly because he spoke out with genuine concerns whereas the UN management wanted it swept under the carpet in order to maintain relations with the Mugabee regime. He's won 5 steps in his tribunal hearing so far, there is only the final UN appeals tribunal to go'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saudi and Qatari clerics have been administering "sexual fatwahs" giving permission for jihadi's in Syria to rape non-Sunnhi women and children'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad they're on "our" side?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the UN management wanted the Cholera outbreak to continue so as to reduce Zimbabe populations'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ooooh yeah I heard that from "Syrian girl" on infowars!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the source, snooky, especially since she's resident in Australia'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know but thats who I seen talking about it. I'm sure they only have her on because she is attracitve and can claim to be Syrian'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at the trend of UN management decisions -- the UN supports tyranies, disarming the public, deaths, epidemics -- as though the agenda is mass exterminations of the excess unwanted popolaces'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of those things are overtly UN policy, some are not overt policy, but seem to happen time and again through their actions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Obama went to a fundraiser recently and was greeted with mass protests'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good to see him getting the hard time that he deserves'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Barack Obama in a redo of "Old Yeller" -- with some of the american public as old yeller)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of the movies and tvseries since 2009 are portraying african-americans are bad when in authority'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a lot of tv series depicting patriots and veterans as terrorists, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of psyops going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole gun control thing was a feeble attempt at a psyop'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have more than enough examples in RL to support that assertion, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was the sequester'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true that there is a massive purge of army veterans going on, they are being picked up, declared mentally unsound even if they have no illness or criminal record, and they are having their guns and gun permits taken - sometimes they're having their kids taken too, and then they're being charged for the forced hospital assessment they were given'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds suspiciously similar to the treatment of jews by the nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dubai police chief accuses Muslim Brotherhood of plotting to topple the government of the United Arab Emirates'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Muslim Brotherhood is likely plotting to replace the government of the United Arab Emirates'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a democracy, so that would imply some form of coup'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the islamic religion believes in the integration of religion and state laws, and thus the islamic religion is anti-USAmerican (with a constitution that demands the separation of religion and state)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it always was anti-american'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's anti-sovereign generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were islamic Shahs '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's your solutions today, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'solitions or suggestions for "The Final Solution"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solutions to the current problems'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had an email at work today about a conference about "synthetic biology", which is essentially animals with spliced DNA to create new variants'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something about that strikes me as a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like carnivorous dinos with frog genes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'next you'll try convincing me Monsanto isn't God's representative on earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, they're not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like that I guess, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'synthetic biology is just natural biology without all the sex and mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like most scientific progress, the science is not bad, only the people who abuse it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, a good portion of the human genome is basically bacteria we've coopted for our own purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(?) was going to do something, but if the UN is intending to disarm the public, the prospect of watching genocides and mass exterminations (as intended by the UN and the rich) is likely to be more entertaining and karmic (from the perspective of god) than attempting to provide fixes and solutions (the fixes won't work if mass exterminations are already being planned)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Lod Jowers and the government were both complicit in the murder of Martin Luther King'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loyd jowers, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as decided by a memphis court'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"what exactly are the UN bureaucrats intending that are likely to provoke an armed populace into overthrowing and disrupting the rule of legitimate law"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stealing their money'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though those UN bureaucrats are terrorists (and worse) by seeking to disarm the public'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any government that seeks to rule via intimidation is terrorist by definition'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Tiger, you think this NKorea thing will end up in nuclear war?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, terrorism is a terroristic method of governing or resisting a government'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would fire nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'same people that did in the 40ts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america? doubt they'd bother'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ta'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would take very little to take NK apart, the weaponary they do have is 50 years old and more'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have air superiority within 24hrs, so it would be a done deal'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'was worried about the gringos tho...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it depends on whether China gets involved.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china won't get involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if china were to get involved, they'd invade before US did'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nation-building by a rival right on their doorstep, in a historically little-brother nation?  Yeah right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think china are quite ready for a military confrontation yet, they're still building'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they'll have to get involved just to fend off that perception.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the US isn't going to dare smoke a small nation and then just walk away from the pile of rubble.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're more likely to see them trying to co-operate and co-ordinate with the US, maybe by invading when US takes action and hold a buffer'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not? it's what they usually do'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we invade and then stay forever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're already there in this case'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, and the last time we were essentially fighting against the Chinese.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you weren't fighting the chinese because they invaded'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese supplied a bunch of the VK arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US were instrumental in Mao Zedong getting into power, no point whinging about it now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff has consequences'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who's whining?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China is able to poison the products being shipped to other nations, as a prelude to a pre-emptive strike against the other nations of the world'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The West", hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this "China" scenario is already described by some interpretations of the prophecies of Nostradamus'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America, interfering in other country's business since 1913'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might wonder why that is when it's so heavily set against it in the founding fathers docs/speeches'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happened in 1913 that changed tha?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was qute annoyed at the headline about obama pushing banks to give mortgages to people with shit credit rating'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'As someone with a shit credit rating,even I think that is silly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing, we were interfering in other countries' business long before then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is a fucking stupid idea and one of the huge things that caused the collapse in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remake the same mistake as Clinton did in the 1990s that led to the collapse in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts called JINX before Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: ''13 was when some crazy eurotrash bosnian killed a crazy eurotrash albanian (or croatian, or whatever) in the ribbon-cutting ceremony that started WWOne.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also the year the fed was created'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by banks that were going around funding both sides in wars/revolutions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the russian revolution :-) they bankrolled Marx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'America ransacked the Mexican Empire about a decade before and all the major players were buying/stealing/treatying up land and arming themselves since that time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spanish land, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought Mexico seceded by then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, not american, so my history is a tad sketchy about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anywho, we managed to steal the Arizona region, along with the Phillipines, various pacific islands, Cuba and several Caribbean colonies we later "freed" as protectorates.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they still demanding them back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cuba was even nearly voted in as the 51st state twice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the first time it was still under Spanish control, and as the Civil War had ended shortly prior even the politicians were sick of war so they voted no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the second time was just before WW1 but the Cubanos were all "screw you, gringos! We want our land back!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexicans are doing a good job of taking America over'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel loves Mexicans.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel also loves Jews.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sarcasm there at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexicans are willing to invade the countries nobody else wants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd very much like America, so please tell them to stop invading'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least invade the bits i don't want'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"Si, senor!  Here's a steek!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think you are, Antonio fecking Banderas?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, I am the most popular man in the world.  Stay thirsty, my friend!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Antonio Banderas is a talented actor'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Glako choke snooky
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky thinks Glako might be still crunchy from before or maybe unsafe.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you now have to have a background check for even bullets in NY while in Georgia in one county you must own a gun.  is this the start of the end of guns, or the start of the end of liberal state's rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It is a tug of war'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'are you sure there aren't other options?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The Liberals won't win. Not through regular legislation they won't. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean I don't get how people like Mayor Bloomberg or Rahm Immanuael get by ignoring the fact that the strict gun laws in their cities do NOTHING to curb their crime rates. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'simple fear mongering'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Snooky meant:  "Snooky disrespects Mayor Bloomberg or Rahm Immanuael for ignoring the fact that the strict gun laws in their cities do not curb their crime rates"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And here is a fact, gun regestration in history has almost always been followed up by gun confiscation. And gun confiscation is usually followed by a totalitarion society and democide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and mass killings as in the USSR'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Polish jokees during and after WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I want to be that totalitarian leader...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yep, governments in history have been the biggest killers of human beings in history. You are a fool if you think it can't go down like that here in the states. Technically we are on that road right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Poland government disarmed the Poland public, the Nazis invaded Poland and killed a lot of the Polish, and "how stupid are the Polish" jokes started'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah the polish people being dumb thing was Nazi propaganda. The USSR even used the same propaganda later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Polish army surrending was also unfortunate: Katyin Forest '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'with silly stories like how the Polish cavalry charged at a tank battalion because they thought the tanks were made of cardboard.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'there isn't enough history to say something like it is 'almost always' followed by confisacation. and in the history we can look at, thats not even close to true. you're nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'most western countries have gun registration '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR government committed genocide'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And they certainly arent as free as we are here in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Once the US gets disarmed, prepare for hell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'you are free to do whatever you want so long as it doesnt break any laws. so about average freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'people only follow the laws that are convenient -- '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'not sure why americans have the highest incarceration rate and tout freedom as one of their strong points'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well as long as we have a 2nd amendment no disarmament can happen legally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God is okay with people disrespecting inconvenient laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'until another amendment superceedes  That's why they are amendments  they add'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats right Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So to be clear, is anyone here actually in favor of all citizens being disarmed and only allowing police and military to have them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I just want to see the scale here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm in favor of it, but i also don't think it's possible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no. I'm only okay with one outcome.  I have guns.  you do not.  Like everyone else thinks...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zade, every country has genocide in its history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So practically, i'm in favor of limiting new sales... especially in the case of mental illness and fenoly backgrounds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Fawlty you would be okay with all citizens being at the mercy of it's government and the criminals of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I'm okay with the mentally ill having guns.  Just not bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we already are at the mercy of the government, and i don't think gun ownership really prevents crime. Rather, i think the ready availablity of firearms empowers criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any mentally ill that wants to fire a gun only needs to join the armed forces.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define mentally ill. Because with the rate that doctors consider people "depressed" that may be a slippery slope and a dirty liberal loophole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, it is'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'tell me that marine yelling at that woman in the car isn't mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody sb armed -- if the mental defectives unjustly kill a few, euthanise the mental defectives -- great for evolution'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if Virginia had been complying with the federal regulations in place at the time, the Virginia Tech shooter wouldn't have been allowed to buy guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty if we were allready at the mercy of the government then why do they want to disarm us as much as possible? You do know that the places with the loosest gun laws are the places with lower crime right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how about your idiot neighbor that brings the gun out to look at it and blows a whole through his wall, your wall, and your chest cavity?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Look at Australia... they had one mass shooting, passed strict gun regulations, and haven't had any mass shootings of note since. Look at America, we have a mass shooting, do nothing, and then more mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so our government isnt doing it to "stop crime" they know that idea is false. They want them for other reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people in the US like to follow hot trends :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings are reare'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the government doesn't want to 'disarm' us in any case, they're just trying to ban the sale of assault weapons at this point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ethanisae the neighbour that was clumsy with the gun leading to an unjust fatality'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the libs are under your bed, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would probably thin out neighborhoods beyond economic repair :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and they're gonna take yer guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't even own gun at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"with guns, there is no such thing as an accident"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I own two so there you go. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just don't move next door to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I'd like to own one again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you can.  Just not in this country.  ANd there's currently a waiting period in ny for bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You dont have to register your guns here in Wisconsin and concealed carry is legal as well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know you don't need weapons in order to masturbate. It is a myth that if you don't have a big fire stick you won't get an erection.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'because they're sold out.  Becusae people are in panic.  Because they think like you do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'house sb constructed to be bullet-proof and bullet-resistant, including the windows'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and their isnt a reason to panic? The idea of a right being infringed on doesnt mean anything to you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and all those idiots who buy guns and don't train in their use are practically committing suicide. They are as likely to shoot themselves as hitting the side of a barn.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in further news, house prices leap drastically'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'To answer your earlier question about not being at the mercy of the government: try not paying your taxes. Try holding up in your house with guns, and just refusing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '12 gauge has what kind of girth speaking of masturbation'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'They will eventually show up with tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'And your firearms will be useless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get a bigger hard on when safe -- so guns are a stimulent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Right anaristos, because EVERYONE who gets a gun is going to hurt themselves or somebody else on accident.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'saying that the "government can kill us once they take our guns" is sort of silly right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'they have nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they only show of with tanks because very few put them in that predicament. If EVERYONE refused to pay taxes there wouldn't be anything the government could do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but as long  as the people play the role of the sheep, those in government will be very happy to play wolf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Happiness is a warm gun" -- practice safely at the firing range'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'right now states are trying to pass laws that nullify any federal gun grab laws. Federal agents caught in states like Wyoming or texas attempting to enforce federal gun laws can be arrested by police.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that is the kind of awesome shit I like to hear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I bet they'll shoot them rather than just arresting them.  That'd teach everyone...something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anaristos: do you honestly think everyone refusing to pay taxes would be a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iceland did something like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the south already does refuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Snooky, do you have a citation for the fedral agent thing?  I want to read more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'All rich people refuse to pay taxes too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is not whether it is a good thing or not, the point is that it would properly devolve the power to the people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'arguments extolling anarchy are ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Wouldn't a new, less just tyranny rise from the resulting period of anarchy, putting us more at the mercy of government rather than less?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in theory, the only reason government works is because the people allows themselves to be governed. In practice, the people think that they must be governed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Haladin, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/wyoming-gun-control_n_2451438.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think you're underestimating the firepower at the command of the United States military, in particular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even now in the XXIth century, the US population thinks itself as ruled by royalty. They apply the same behavior to the government as they would to the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twenty-firth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know Huffington post boooo. But All I did was google Wyoming anti gun law and gave you the first thing that was not from a gun hobby website.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so cowardice is the motivation of the Fawlty platform '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks suggestively at you. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, tsk tsk tsk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Who says that our own american millitary would even fire on its own people? Sure some but not all. There will always be dissent. And dissenters from the millitary will *gasp* bring some of their tanks and bombs with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'First of all, the government is required to enforce social order, enforce laws, and mantain infrastructure. I think it's a good thing that there's government, and i think it's a good thing we pay our taxes. Secondly, the government protects people from other people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fawlty, of course there are risks in rebellion. Those favoring the status quo are not going to sit still. It is the fear of the citizenry to get hurt that keeps most governments in power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Without government, we'd be at the mercy of whatever dictatorial jerk got control of the local militias.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the people protect people from other people'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Eric Holder confirmed that will not happen, Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but once the citizens decide that they rather be dead than ruled, the government is done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In my case, i don't see a popular rebellion in the United States resulting in a more government after the rebellion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tell me more Haladin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my turn: you tell me how we'd be better off after a popular rebellion in the united states, and what workable form of government would be more justan equitable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty does have a point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Revolutions almost never turn out good in the end.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'arguments extolling ludicrous conjectures are ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zade, your statement is contradictory. If there is no government, then there is no dictator. You can't have those 2 situations concurrently.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Before clarifying, are we talking drones or just gunplay in general?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'snooky's got a point about Fawlty...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, what if a large group of white people decides to 'protect' their daughters from a smaller group of black people because they're racists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Who protects the black people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I think some of the daughters might object :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Our American revolution was lucky it even got off the ground much less succeeding'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'they were rebels'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Snooky, and primarily because George Washington refused to become a new king, and tried to spread out power as much as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Fawlty conjecture is faulty -- there are other more likely conjecturees'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'geo was a true lib'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, if you read the real history, you'll find that most of those who led the American revolution, did not intend to secede from the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Where's the fault in citing a situation that's already occured.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'An armed insurrection would be bloody as hell and would turn us into a shithole country for a long time afterwords.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they fully expected the king to grant them their request and continue ruling the colonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The fact is, southern states used to oppress, beat, kill, and enslave black people on the a basis of racism, and the federal government stopped them. There's a case of government protecting one group of people from another. Clear as day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad conjectures attempt to perevent decent conjectures'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'but they only stopped them because they wanted to eat them - little known "fact"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But its not the US government that is out to get us. It's criminal elements in all the worlds governments and largest corperations. A New World Order. Global government is the endgame objective. Purposely putting the united states to ruin is a part of achieving this objective.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the reason the North stood against slavery wasn't because they were humanitarian, they did it because they couldn't compete economically.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faulty conjectures attempt to prevent decent conjectures'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and at the center of the war between the states, was the cotton. Which was, in those days, worth its weight in gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'what's wrong with one government the world over?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'one set of laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, you still haven't pointed out where the fault lays in my statement so i'll just assume you can't actually find one, and just disagree for the sake of disagreeing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'one ring to guide them and all that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I prefer not to be governed, personally :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you'd have no international wars'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'because that would be our own people'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I prefer not to be governed, but i like the interstate system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the old Yugoslavia showed that you don't need external enemies to be at war :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'good point - it'd be one shindig of a civil war though, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Before clarifying, are we talking drones or just gunplay in general?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The problem is the entire world being enslaved by an elite ruling class. No more soveriegny Dardezael. Mass extermination of people and anything you knew as freedom being gone. That is what a one world government would be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the one thing wrong with one government for the planet is, that it would make it very easy to strip regions of resources and transfer them to a favored region. There would not be a need for actions like US in Iraq. The government would just go there and grab the resources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no it wouldn't, any more than that's ours now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'What freaks me out is the coming global water shortage, and internation corporations buying up water resources in africa, and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's very kind of you not to mention where those corporations reside :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Just look at anything the UN does and you'll be getting that shit x1000 with an actual one world government'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, I mean think like it would work.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UN is a sewing circle, not a government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Those corporations reside internationally, most of them split up their operations to sit in nations with the lowest tax rates for  the particular products, and services the individual branches provide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it depends on what the system in place would be. One world to me screams technocratic dictatorship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say, where they technically reside, I said were they originate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a one world government is likely to result in hell on earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So Starbucks, for instance, in theoretically basedout of Seattle, WA, but they're coffee buying operations are incorporated somewhere in the netherlands because taxes of coffee purchases are virtually non-existent there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's like ships who are reigestered in Liberia and owned in mid-town LA.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'what if it was like america's gov but better rrun?  and guns!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we're agreeing Anaristos. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That would never happen Dardezael'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well that's that then.  Fuck peace.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'One world government can only come by destroying every nations soveriegnty and culture.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I believe in a eugenically created society of super-men who will govern us all wisely as philosopher kings!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why do you think we go at it so hard trying to fuck up the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'oil'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we're partically playing out another chapter in a millenia-old holy war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'RIght because they have it. And therfore can trade and operate independant of the world superpowers'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that was supposed to be partially.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'if those philosopher kings came to be, they would be shot by the outlawed guns I bet'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they'd be able to dodge gunfire, i'm sure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iran isnt bad because they hit their women and want nukes. They are bad because they are not part of the global hivemind agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'matrixy philosopher kings?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hell I don't blame them for wanting nukes, they want to be relavent on a global level.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is extremely corrupt and extremely incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we caused the current problem in iran by overthrowing their secular democratic revolutionary government, and re-instating their monarch to protect british oil interests.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'then, the revolutionaries fled to the mosques, and the next revolution was a religious one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I think they gave their people guns in that case.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no wait.  We did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Snooky uses "hivemind" as both an insult and as praise -- so "hivemind" as used by Snooky is currently "incoherent noise"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'still wondering about the girth on a 12 gauge'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I use it as a praise?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Since when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The government of Iran was never democratic. Ask any Persian who ran into SAVAK agents.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[04 Apr 22:59:28] (Debate) Snooky: 'Iran isnt bad because they hit their women and want nukes. They are *bad* because they are *not* part of the global *hivemind* agenda.''
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'where did that "hivemind" phrase even come from?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That isnt a praise Zade, I am stating the actual reason that the US puts sanctions on their economy. It has nothing to do with what the news media tells us. It's not a good guy vs bad guy situation. It is a geopolitcal one. The hivemind is behind it and it is bad, not praise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am not saying that Irans treatment of women or them trying to secure nukes are good either. It probably is in our best intrests to stop them from doing so. But lets say they do nuke someone somewhere, our government will be somewhat at fault. Just like we were for the 9/11 attacks, which were an inside job by the way.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Snooky, you are saying that Iran is bad because Iran is not bad  -- (is Snooky an islamic sleeper mole)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is an actual mole and would like to be petted now.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dammit Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '"they were an inside job"  um.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Which WAS an inside job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you don't really believe that though do you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It was a false flag attack no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'see you're not liberal - I'd expect that from a liberal'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why a liberal? they don't care what our government does as long as our president is black and cockteases gay rights.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well yeah completely true'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol that is pretty terrible statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The truth hurts Twyst, but first it will piss you off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing in that statement was true'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'logically speaking that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Romney or Mccain while not better choices for president by any means would not be able to get away with what Obama has done without extreme amounts of dissent and protesting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what has Obama done and got away with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I had sexual relations with Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'an assassination program for american citizens, for one'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well he resigned the patriot act AND signed the NDAA into law. More corperate bailouts. Coming after our 2nd amendment to name a few.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the Monsanto protection act is another.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you say resigned?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is just chocolate Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Noegel, Obama slept in my house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but republicans tripped all over themselves lining up to vote for Bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 're-signed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes he renewed the patriot act. And Obama is the name of Noegel's warhorse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'where was the jibbering fear fest when the patriot act was signed into law?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I meant to say that he renewed the patriot act he could of easily let it expire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Ride em, cowboy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It actually is.  It also has a chocolate bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the debate channel!  What a troll!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can dislike Obama (not to sound patronizing), but be internally consistent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'patriot act is way worse than a freaking background check for a weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And saying that Bush did all that sort of stuff doesnt make it right or justify his actions in any way. We as Americans have been trained to eat shit and like it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the color of poop is also brown'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'yeah, i don't like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is poopy Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'These are the 98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And our problems go much further than who are President is at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dranka red bull'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'politics is an incentives based game'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I drank a red bulls life force'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It was a mistake excuse my typo town'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am now wearing it's hide'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the people who do these things are reelected then they keep doing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah the problem lies in the voters and not the electorate'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wait....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if McCain was pres we would be in a decade+ long conflict with Iran right now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'he would have attacked mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was breastfed for the first 15 months of my life thats why I am so awake to what the hivemind really is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am still breastfed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not by choice, either :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I'm being breast fed right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... what the fuck does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it explains everything Majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you talking about the time you sucked my nipple at the pub Noegel? That wasnt milk those were just calcium deposits, and nipple hair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dardezael rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'that makes me think of cheese for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyways, how does aardwolf feel about human cheese? I think it's wierd that we don't eat it but we'll drink other animals milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'enjoyment of a game is simpler when some concepts are simply avoided'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, whatever floats your boat. It seems like a good way to spread disease though unless awfully careful with hygeine'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In fact I find it strange that we don't eat placenta as well. Just about every other mammal does it. Why do we find it so gross?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in general eating the placenta disposes of the signal to predators that a birth has recently happened and thus there's a helpless baby to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i mean, cows EAT it, but they don't digest it, you see it virtually unchanged in their shit later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic - post that great suggestion on the ideas-forum:  milk expiration dates, after which the milk spreads a diseased and poisoned effect when used'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh expired milk doesn't give you disease, it just turns into yoghurt which is sort of gross to drink'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Majic that'll reduce the amount of pedofiles having their way. Throw them off the trail. Then we can hide out and make human cheese while we hide in the woods with our guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've seen green mold on expired milk products -- didn't look like yoghurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what ... on ... earth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'okay, it can grow mold if it lasts REALLY long, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the what on earth was to snooky, btw'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cheese grows mold but I've never seen it on milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'human blue cheese'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but hard cheese is not unsafe after mold has developed, just slice the mold off and eat the rest.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and human cheese is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That illegal alien that got a law degree in Florida and passed the bar in Florida, but was denied admittance to the bar because he was illegal should go back to Mexico and practice law there.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He could go back to Mexico on his own free will and apply for a visa'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'Law... in... mexico ?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'His degree will make him more valuable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, he came to the US as a tourist and never left when his tourist visa expired....he went to college, and then law school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'practice American Law in Mexico -- unlikely to be a demand unless ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He could just leave on his own'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If he gets removed by the government it's gonna be a heck of a lot harder to get a visa'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that's not very neighbourly, next you be insisting that he be deported'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He could be a lawyer for the cartels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are always looking for good counsel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the life expectancy working for the cartels'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Forever as long as you don't offend them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But I've seen my fair share of decapitation photos or videos of zetas getting chainsawed in half it really isn't interesting to watch anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It just like watching another cat video on youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'green leafy veggies, chili powder, and tomato paste are secret weapons when it comes to making a realy good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Donkey paste'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, shrimp ramen, garlic powder, onion, black pepper, pinto beans, spinach, tomato paste, potato cubes, and a handful of shrimp......good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and a nice spice blend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to invest in the first orbital mining facility?  It will only cost about $50 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they will use convicts for labor :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '50 billion?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, right'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's the number they give to the investors, pre project'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the actual price is $25 billion, but they want to build 2 of them....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To mine what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'asteroids and comets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll believe it when I see it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but for what raw materials?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the first thing the pigs will want to get is all the gold in the asteroids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they will use mining craft to go to the rocks, mine the ore, then take the ore to the refining facility in orbit, and take the valueable stuff to earth, while the water will be used to power spacecraft and provide water for drinking, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold, platinum, nickel, zinc, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw the movie :) Outland'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of the mining operation is going to cost more than the gold extracted'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I really only see space mining useful for building structures in space, so the valuable metals will be iron, titanium et al. Gold is useless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'doesn't matter, because the mining operation is being paid with paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a paper dollar is worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 year bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Worth about a can of cokek to me!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Paper money is a contract for work. It has value. Gold is just valuable because it's rare, and pretty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pretty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel prefers silver.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention paper money has value that is set to what we want it to be set too, unlike minerals which are based on demand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is only a contract if there is faith in its value, so if you were wondering why the dollar is plummeting, now you know why.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so a 100 year bond would return a steady interest rate for generations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gold transcend demand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trancends*'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, a 100 year bond would return a steady stream of toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the time the bond matures, a loaf of bread would cost what the bond did originally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the return would be a fixed rate plus inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, dream on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt backed bonds are a fixed rate plus inflation for some of them. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, you are assuming that the US will own the solar system. Fat chance. The competition will rather get into a tactical war than give the US the system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go ahead and fund your own project, we dont care.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh thats right...you cant even afford ramen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will be partners in our project :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a western country joint project is the best way to do it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US space exploration has been, and will remain, implicitly military for the foreseeable future. If the US can get some mining along the way, fine. But the that's not why they are trying to go into space.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'MARS!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is the Mars project civilian?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's the sequel to the moon, more dust on a bigger sphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last I've heard, ARPA is part of the DoD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cgi is better this time around but so is access to information... :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'd say fuck space for a little while. But that is just my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'anaristos, I heard is for 2 classes. Rich and very intelligent scientists'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait until the US finds out it's cheaper and quicker to drop a rock from space on some uppity country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the USA is benevolent even when it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they will need intelligent scientists, but they will be fonded by the pentagon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos skipped science in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was Operation Iraqi Freedom'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, I skipped science in school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'although I would hate to see operation Iraqi distruction'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I bet Operation Mars Freedom is going to be awesome :) '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and actually, compared to Viet Nam, the Iraq war was rather tame :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canadians drive on the correct side, but the British on the wrong side...why is that ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'possibly but the blow back from Iraq will most likely be worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Have you ever heard of finlandization?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what happened to Canada :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, the Canadians are smarter then the british then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are a bit more cowed. The US worships the UK, they treat Canada as a possession :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, if you pass without trace, you cast both. But you have to recast it after combat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right. There is no detect sneaking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'At least I'm not the only one who mischans frequently'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like how Amsterdam does property taxes.....the tax is based on how wide your house is....the wider the house, the larger the tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Interesting I guess sucks for the people with older homes'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why? most homes are thin, and tall....not wide and tall :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the mansions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't live in a mansion but it definitely isn't thin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the idea of cafes selling marijuana though.....If states allowed that here, the feds would go broke trying to close down stores that sold it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you maen you like how the government of amsterdam indirectly dictates what shape your house is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in itally, its based on if your lawn is mowed, and how many widows and TV antene you have'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is your point?  property taxes do that anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am thinking of a 50 foot across concrete dome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would make a nice cabin in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plenty of dome houses here'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Never had the pleasure of going inside of one, however'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looking at the "drug testing welfare recipients" issue... '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ACLU states "These bills are introduced by legislators based on the wrong belief that people who receive public assistance use drugs at a higher rate."... but according to the new york times, drug use is exploding among the poor '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which liberal source do I believe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Latter'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You're getting free money... why should you be upset you have to take a drug test, I mean come on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so drug use is on the rise among the nations poor, while it is in over all decline (same source)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know honestly'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you need assistance, then you shouldn't be spending money on drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on the other hand, how much does it save the state to be doing that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You shouldn't be spending money on almost anything deemed unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial feedlots are just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There's no way to tell.  They aught to do a trial run'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they have been, they haven't caught high a percentage of people and it's costing quite a bit. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a docu called Frankensteer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. the general concensus is that the cost of drug testing had kept pace with the amound of money saved by not giving drug users free money... but I say that's a win... for the same money, states have reduced the amount of tax money being paid to drug users'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where'd you get that, that the cost had kept pace?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ACLU and NY Times'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's break even... any money they save is eaten up by the cost of drug testing'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aclu's website doesn't say it broke even'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's presented as a case AGAINST testing... but I see it as a case FOR testing... any amount of money you keep away from drug users is a win'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the exact phrase is "saved little'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. But when you read it, they spent 112k for a 'net cost of 45k''
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or when the drug users overdose, we save future money from not having to send them any.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is not a good proportion'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, 118k'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on the aclu's site'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/editorial-drug-testing-welfare-applicants-nets-little'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actual phrase was "drug-testing-welfare-applicants-nets-little"... I'll get it right eventually'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/drug-testing-welfare-recipients'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/just-we-suspected-florida-saved-nothing-drug-testing-welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'has the actual numbers and is later than the article you posted'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, some of the growth hormones allowed for use in Canada/US have been shown to cause cancer in test animals.  They are banned in the EU.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure messing up hormones is perfectly safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the NY times has the same numbers that the aclu posted, as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, for the drug testing, are we assuming that the testing program has no effect on drug use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the testing program did not seem to have any effect on the number of applicants either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would guess that threat of testing would cause a certain percentage to NOT do drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course growth hormones cause cancer. Including the body's own hormones. This is well known. (yes, including insulin).'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EU banned Canadian/US beef that used those hormones, and the US/Canada sued....and asked the WTO to overrule the EU.  the WTO asked for the Canadian risk assessment of the hormones used, and the Canadian govt said they were secret, and wouldnt give them up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'obviously insulin, since cancer cells have a truckload of insulin receptors - cut insulin and they kind of slow down'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe, but fw'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's a lot harder to measure, and it's sort of expensive to keep rolling these programs out on the chance that they MIGHT do something'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also apparently cancer cells rather fancy sugars, so insulin is present to kickstart those cells when there is most food around'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, 2 (more) reason to avoid sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not claiming the program is sensible, but if the c/b analysis only includes "money spent on drug testing" and "money saved by not giving welfare $ to people who test positive", you aren't exactly conducting an exhaustive analysis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention madcow is widespread in Canadian beef herds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any drug testing is an infringement on privacy and should not be allowed in a free country, imho. Except, maybe, when you are a suspect of a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have a problem with it for people holding certain sensitive jobs either. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drug testing should be condicted when you have your hand out'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course not, tinada, just looking at the very direct costs'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure what condicted means... but it sounded better than CONDUCTED!  (sorry)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, I don't mind drug testing pilots. They know that they will be tested, and can choose another career if they want. (Pilot was just an example).'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt mandated drug testing is a $10 billion a year business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends had to do drug testing for a job he signed up for. He has a master's in math and got a job teaching community college courses in a jail, and drug testing is required to work in a jail. I also don't see an issue with things like that. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you want free money.. is it that big of a hardship to 'not use drugs'?  if you CAN'T 'not use drugs', then there are free programs to fix that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Life is simple when everything is black and white, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if everything were black and white... we wouldn't have much debate here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that'd probobly be for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only about 2% of cattle are tested for madcow when they are slaughtered for food.....and it is illegal to do your own testing and claim you are madcow free.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, a better way to word it could be if you want free money because you need it for basic sustenance, and are using drugs, what is paying for those drugs and what assurance are there that the free money won't be diverted there'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a representative sample, is all... same for antibiotics in milk, pesticides in produce....  nothing is tested 100%'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, there is no correlation between the diseases in humans and cattle, and we don't eat the brain anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's like why you offer to buy a wino a meal rather than handing him currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most experts feel that we should test at least 50% of cattle when they are slaughtered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and offering to buy the wino a sandwich sometimes gets you cussed out by the wino... which sort of proves your point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Despite no correlation? Wonder who pays those "experts"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, one of my friends used to manage a mcdonalds, and would always get hit up by panhandlers on her way to work'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come and get a free burger?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she'd hand them work applications with the name of her mcd's already filled in and say 'if you walk down there, i'll hire you''
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes I panhandle for cheerios'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she only ever had two do it :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both of them, btw, turned out to be exemplary employees who had been down on their luck -- that's why they went and took the job :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'e.coli is basically a manmade disease.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How did we make it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '35 years ago, it rarely if ever sickened people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'With donkey butter'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but today, it can kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I thought e.coli was a bacteria we naturally have in our digestive system. Didn't know we made it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'E. Coli was discovered in feces in late 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It infected people who had their shit end up in the drinking water somehow'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very rarely though'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern e.coli isnt the same, the kind in the stomach of cattle is much stronger.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did we have the capability to "see" any bateria prior to the "late 1800s"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't believe so'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet a lot of people in the middle ages got e.coli in their food, but then we didn't even know about bacteria.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sure plenty of people got sick'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People died of nearly everything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we may have to irridiate all our food eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hence the huge population boom this past 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'irradiate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or, you know, stop industrial farming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, but then again, small time farming with direct to customer sales is becoming much more popular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'among the educated customer, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as I can get good stuff for myself, I'm happy. Let the masses eat food full of toxins and e.coli.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I inject e coli into my body daily'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but you get yours from the illegal aliens after you wash em.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why are you washing the illegal aliens?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all natural raised cattle is the way to go.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because they smell absolutely horrific after running through the desert for a few days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will wash your donkeys riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why is Mexico never gonna win the olympics?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because everyone who can run, jump, or swim is in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our donkies smell like wildflowers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is true Majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, in the Nordics the experts say it is safe to stop testing for BSE unless the animals have symptoms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, we test all our animals when we get new ones from other producers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Considering that only 400 people world wide have gotten the version of the disease that might be correlated to the bovine version, it's a small risk. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small risk that can still kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the test is cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, watching a docu about industrial pig farmingnow.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, since we haven't had a case in the nordics since the 90s, I don't think there is a point to test symptom free animals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any expert that thinks testing should be done under those circumstances is probably paid by the testing industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too kill chickens and other birds, they are dumped upside down into boiling water until they are dead, then processed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is probably the most efficient way to kill them I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'feeding the world is messy... no doubt about it.  for those industrialized nations that produce more than they eat, they do so for two reasons... because they can, and because there is profit.  Both good reasons... if there were NO profit in it, they would stop producing, and the world would starve.  which is better?  money hungry industialist whom as a by product of their greed feed the world, or people starving?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course those that argue in favor of the "natural" route... "green" food... etc... fail to acknowlege that starvation is a perfectly NATURAL means of making sure there are only enough people to eat the food that is available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the best thing would be for the poorest ppl on earth to get help with food and education and family planning programs. There is a strong correclation between poverty and large family size.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with industrial farming is the fact they need antibacterials to keep the animals alive long enough to be slaughtered, or the waste that is produced which isnt being used to produce electricty, or other useful things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that sounds good and simple, let's do that. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not my only problem with industrial farming, but agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of it becomes fertilizer, but most of it just sits in waste ponds just waiting to be released into the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much all that waste could be used to make electricity, and the leftover solids can be used to make fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has to be cost effective, or it won't get done... money is always going to seperate "could" from "will"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is cost effective, it just costs most of it up front which is the hinderance....low interest loans to cover that cost would do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much every farm that got a loan to build a waste to gas facility onsite paid of its govt backed loan within 5 years, and after that enjoyed much lower prices for electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They essentially produced all their own electricty for the farm, and then provided enough power to the grid to power 1000's of homes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On the topic of cattle, global warming, and other popular debate topics, I really recommend this ted talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, turn death valley into a huge algae farm!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cattle is the solution, not the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, back in the 1800s, we had cattle all over the western US deserts chomping on desert grasslands.....now most of that land is drier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right. Because the cattle is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is banned to 'save' the environment :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess most people forget that the great plains and west used to be covered with wild bison'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd vote that ted talk to be the best ever. It solves pretty much all major problems of the world in one move. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it works in practice, unlike most ted talk ideas that are just ideas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this guy is smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Hmm, our state House just unanimously passed a bill requiring all elementary students to learn cursive handwriting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And people say political parties can't agree on stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what a useless skill'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even if you don't ever write it, there's a good chance a lot of people are going to have to read it at some point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, like we have too read latin......a dead language.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surprised the morons didnt mandate caligraphy also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's a lot of professions where you're going to be reading someone else's cursive writing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not the case with Latin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have yet to find any that have any effect on me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You could probably say that about 80% of the subjects you took in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough to waste time learning it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least math and history, or science are useful in everyday things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'd argue that being able to read cursive is more useful in everyday things than knowing history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Passed 107-0, with 4 reps not voting'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US/Mexico border arrest are up 13% over last year (Fox news)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we may soon have to start using bioprotection suits when handling US meats.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bse, salmonella, e.coli, and who knows what else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'go vegan'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shut down all the UK fast food places'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, because vegetables never contain any bacteria or toxins...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then starve to death'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or buy real food from reliable sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '200 years ago, it was good enough to have something to eat... today, people bitch unless it's the right color, texture, protien/carb/fat content, taste, you-name-it... just be happy that you aren't starving'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '200 years ago food had a quality we dream about today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was half rotten by the time it got to the city'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'even now in some parts of the world people dont have food to eat but those who do complain about the food'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was half rotten by the time it got to the city'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oopps... dorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'City? Very few lived in cities 200 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BS... 80% of the population lived in citis 200 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Is it not worth improving life just because someone else had it worse sometime in the past?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source on that, V?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pulled that one outa my ass, but am checking... '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We might be at 80% now, but I doubt it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks to be closer to 60% today, so likely less 200 years ago... standby'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in ancient egypt, 75% of the population lived in cities....  still looking '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '200 years ago, people bought their meats from local farms that only produced that meat....and made enough from local sales to live a decent life.  Exportation of food crashed the price and made it harder for farmers to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that number for egypt, they probably don't count slaves, which was some 90% of the actual population.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in 1950, 79% of the population lived in cities... not 200 years ago, but still closer.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was for UK, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '64% in USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'percent goes down as level of idustrealization goes down,...  predictably'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are towns in Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama that people are not recommended to live near because of factory farms.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Around 1900 the cities could not self-sustain their population. The mortality rate was higher than the birthrate so they were dependant on the urbanization.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will conceed the point about 80% lving in cities... that was too high, but I will maintain that at least 1/2 of the population did not grow their own, or purchase directly from those who did... their source of food was at least third hand'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's way off topic anyway... the debate is about food TODAY....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I had no idea.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never move to a town with factory farms nearby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just can'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just can't feed the world TODAY using 200 year old standards... there's too many people'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany does a good job of it, so do Scandavian countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We may never get rid of factory farms, but that doesnt mean we cant make them better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like reducing the ammonia produced at them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Factory farms are not more effective. They use a lot of resources to produce food cheaply, but are not more effective than smale scale farms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'factory farms just concentrated the farms....we used to have a lot more farms then we do now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they produced enough food to export all over the world at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't give a rat's ass about ammonia now... I can only imagine that would not change if I were ever REALLY hungry'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would care about the ammonia if you lived near the factory farm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany limits ammonia to 20 ppm, the avg factory farm in the US is around 71 ppm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grew up on a small dairy farm, so I have appreciated fresh food... today, I live in a rural community, but I get my steaks and potatoes from the store... I don't really care how they got there... I just wahs them and eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I also had multi-million bird chick houses next door growing up... seriously... the ammonia was just part of production.  As my neighbor was fond to say... "wmells like money"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about paper mills?  nothing stinks quite as bad as a papper mill... but we all stuff paper in our printers, and wipe our arses with it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use a bidet now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm getting a little "ranty", I know... that's because I am REALLY just sick of all the petty whining that humans seem to have time for these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fur farms smell /really/ bad. all them skinned corpses'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is toilet paper?  Oh that replacement for using your hand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh ya... that is a special kind of stank!  leather mills'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... I wear leather shoes, and belts, so I don't bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno about leather mills. my route went past a farm/skinning place or whatnot long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not hides, fur. foxes, ferrets n shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's probobly a real close match in smell'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see a toilet paper tax coming eventually......'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'according to cheryle crow, we only need to use one sheet per trip to the toilet'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wish'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but sometimes you get lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would have to disagree... I need atleast TWO sheets'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'crow should be smart enough to use a bidet instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's awesome when you take a massive shit and only need to wipe once'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i take taking a shit seriously and buy premium 5-ply paper'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont use silk sheets ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some swear by baby wipes. should try it out some day'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate here often revolves around cost, money, and who can afford what... just exactly how many, in your opinion, people can afford to have a bidet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'baby wipes work great in the field, and in porta-pots, but most domesic septic systems can't handle them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cost of a bidet/toilet combo has dropped quite a bit in recent years, comparable to a good toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or you could just have a small shower head connected to the sink'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. so you've covered cost.. .now lets talk about social norms... Europeans are more familiar with the bidet, but here in america, 90% (random stat) of people would know what it was, much less how to spell it... they would LAUGH at you for suggesting it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, so are the japanese'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have contests every year on the best designed bidet/toilet combo :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. that's what?  3% of the world population?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you add the chinese also, it is spreading fast there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd like to see you try and sell a bidet to someone in the mountains of albania.... of course, they don't know what TP is either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'And in some Muslim countries, there are combo bidet/toilet'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in india just use their hand, and a hole in the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no seat or anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been thru pretty much all of SWA... can't recall seeing a bidet... maybe in a palace somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Egypt has them, I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true... seen a FEW in egypt, but by no means were they widespread'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my bidet/toilet combo.....best bathroom appliance I ever bought.....stopped buying toilet paper also....saves money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Was in an apartment building in nasr city, by no means luxury, and other places aswell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then you have to figure increased laundry costs... or just walk around with monkey-butt'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I prefer it personally'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'no, it cleans you very well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just walk around with a wet arse?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it cleans extremely well, and has a warm air dryer'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Did not have that issue.  You can use just a little tp.  Or a cloth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have thought of everything :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'It cleans very well :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can also buy a bidet seat for your regular toilet, and it is electronic, dries and washes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. you convinced me... we'll all use Bidets... now lets get some legislation in place to make sure evertone else is convinced as well.. tax breaks, fines for non-comliance, building code... !'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, water prices and paper prices will do that in time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well let's jack up the taxes on those now... why wait!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the self cleaning bidet/toilet does a good job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- is ranting again'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Only after the last tree is cut down, the last of the water poisoned, the last animal destroyed, only then will you realize, that you cannot eat money.  -- Cree Indian Prophecy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where are the cree today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they prophesied their own destruction by the white man with cholera.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it wasn't a PROFECY.. it was a quote by modern day indian Alanis Obomsawin... a canadian native american film maker'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who was just trying to make a buck of his movies about conservation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kree jaffa!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did I just say "canadian native american"?  I guess that would be native [north] american... or would it be "native canadian"... what DO they call the natives in canada?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They're still native americans.  Canada is part of North America and all, you see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am suprised that all the text books in the US have not been burned, and replaced with that distinction... "Native North American" instead of just "Native American"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'other wise, how can they be distiguished from the native in south america?  they would ahve to be "native South Americans"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, gmo corn rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost as good as gmo soybeans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'bees don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get a hell of alot more yield with genetics'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can feed a butt-ton more people per acre'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nerve gas makes the best pesticides.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss DDT :('
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also would solve some of the world-population problem... let's legislate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh!  DDT.. now there's a DEBATE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who cares about the damn condor....give me back DDT !'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are numbers ( and I don't have them right off) that support more people in underdevelped countries have died from maleria than would EVER have been adversly effected by DDT - defects and outright death combined'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but non-DDT pesticides are A LOT more expensive, and they just don't use them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always a trade'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the WHO and the EPA still support DDT in those malaria situations, basically the good outweighs the risks'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, DDT was really nasty stuff...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa used to mix DDT with paint, and paint the outside of his homes with it.....always worked on keeping the mosquitos controled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it DID work really well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down and dirty - cheap - and effective'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west nile virus is a problem around here.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to sendia?  nice... how many TP?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think gmo foods should be labeled as such.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'labeling itself has so many issues, there's a lot of things that should be labled differently, not to mention, many lables don't mean anything at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'likewise, packaging should not be allowed to display "organic" unless it is 100% orgainc from seed to grocerie store'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, why is it easier to take an antifreeze gene from a flounder compared to another plant that has it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't know... am not a marine biolagist... but I bet it has to do with either regulation or cost'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and very little to do with science'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some new gmo tomatoes have an antifreeze gene taken from flounders.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it might also have to do with how easy it is to isolate, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that would be science... makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it might also have to do with the actual proteins that the gene creates'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never really looked at it, but that'd be two guesses that might be reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides... antifreeze genes in animals are WAY more sexy!  I mean seriously... a worm that only lives in GLACIERS!  that's super hot!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think gmo foods are fascinating...I hope it ends up being safe, cause it will open the door to amazing new foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've always been fascinated by animals like snakes and frogs that you can freeze solid and will still come back once thawed'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that just blows my mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that might give us the answer to cryogenic freezing of humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or how animals can lower their vitals to almost nothing when it gets cold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but it could also help with cold weather rescue, organ transplants, and probably a lot of other mundane things that people don't think about'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although, I guess those things aren't exactly mundane, but you know what I mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to heck with all that... I just wanna run naked thru a snow storm!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bears being able to hibernate for 8 months is amazing also, and be able to awake almost instantly when bothered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty fast, ya.. but you can still get a good poke in adn run like hell!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to double check, but I think bears actually go into a torpor and don't actually hibernate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to be all nerdy, but still'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, there is alot of science on this planet that we should be studying more, because it will also help us in the future for space travel to other planets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we could 'hibernate' ourselves, it might make a 2 year journey to the closest star an easier thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, humans can kind of hibernate, if you lower their body temperature'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I saw the movie Alien also.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at least if you believe this story'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'isnt sleeping a kind of temporay hiberation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://digitaljournal.com/article/319883'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure, but hibernation involves lowering of body temperature, lowering of metabolism, and I think a couple of other things'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though my wife might disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the wandering albatross can apparently stay aloft for months at a time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, the airbus A380 is huge.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon is an amazing thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'carbon is black.. and black isn't white... now you have to come up with an amazing white thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or your a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'diamonds are black?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now THAT's how you cause a riot... not a debate.  I was joking, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they are if you turn the lights off'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are aso black befor you apply lots of pressure and heat'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a silly debate.. come up with another one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to all the NON-silly debates that take place here...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'black holes are black too. black paint is black. lets see what other black things are out there.. hm. Abelinc's heart!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point take and conceeded.. carry on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You hear cricket sounds off in the distance.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw hwu: you were logged off by the time I did tech -h, not sure if you saw my comment on it later...bast has a vote miniwindow plugin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok, your little black heart has a bit of pink shades now:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bumblebee can fly 5 million miles on a gallon of honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what a waste of evolution then'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is interesting how the new boeing 787 wingspan resembles the wandering albatross wingspan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wandering Albatrosses spend most of their life in flight, landing only to breed and feed. Distances travelled each year are hard to measure, but one banded bird was recorded travelling 6000 km in twelve days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, a mexican is like an american indian, but without a casino....-- tommy chong talking about cheech marin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock horror, James Holmes was on Zoloft'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and thought he was two face ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get it...how can the military justify a $400 million per helicopter cost for a chopper that only costs $21 million to build......the new version of marine one chopper is based on the british made EH101 chopper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military was going to spend $14 billion on 28 of them to replace the marine one choppers, but obama asked the military to either cancel or put it on hold, so the navy cancelled it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's anything like AF1, it's hugely modified from as-shipped'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EH101's that navy bought for $21 million were eventually sold to Canada as replacement parts for their S&R fleet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still cannot justify a $400 million cost, :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You could build a stealth helicopter for that much.....thats right we did...it crashed in pakistan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military spending like that is usually inflated to syphon off cash into secret stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EH101 is a damn fine british helicopter though, and well worth the $21 million cost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '700 miles on a tank of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it british?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess I wont be buying one of those new xbox 720s, since it will require all the time internet for it to work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'That wasn't announced. You're mis-quoting or were mis-informed by a few tweets by a single producer at Microsoft who said on social media that "always-on" is the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a couple attend a teaparty rally, get arrested because they have a pipe and a small amount of marijuana on them, as a result CPS yoinks there kids. After 1 year of fighting in the courts, they take their kids back off their grandparents and go on the run.... and the media portrays them as anti-government terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'the world today'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I read a bit past the drive-by media on that one... they're not good people'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have it in for constitutionalists and veterans, don't they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've made some really bad decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are soveriens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't recognize and level of government'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is.. soveriengs don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was on the blaze'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'well yeah, but some people think that there are no consequences for their acions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were both well-employed citizens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when you don't pay your tazes, you make an easy target'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'did you hear whats happening to the family that runs hobby lobby'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't agree with the terrorist connection... that sounds like polotics... if the Fort Hood shooter is not a terrorist, than neither are these folks'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they are getting fined 1,000,000 dollars a day for not agreeing to pay for their employees birth control, i have the full support for this family'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't find anything about them being sovereigns on blaze'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should just sack everyone and rehire them as contractees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was about four stories down on the right this morning'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ain't there now, might have been tugged - the stuff on fox local affiliate tv was inaccurate too'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right after the story on the newtown gun shot getting its license revoked.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, gone'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see it now... must have been some integrity issues'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the story was a WH plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they fix it and out it back up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'diregard about them being soveriens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no source'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mean to scorn it, it might be that they are, but the strong feeling i had about the story was that they were fucked over, they definitely stole their nan's car when they took the kids, but it sounds like an act of desperation rather than an act of violence or terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have your kids taken unfairly, if you have a pulse, you'll go batshit crazy wanting to get them back'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed, and again, I just don't see how you can attach terrorist to that without a political motivation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'who called them terrorists, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, but DHS has been labelling anyone who supports the constitution as terrorist for ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did they do so in this case?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local tv and newspaper reports called them "violent anti-governmentalists"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... that's a step shy of terrorist, but the leap will be made soon enough, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'this just sounds like a child protective services case that's getting blown out of proportion by the media because of the political leanings on the people involved to me, but i can't profess to be informed on the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know that teaparty is going to team up with al-quaida, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I heard that.  They are going to blow up all the swine farms in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama to restrict IRA's to $205k a year'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's it at now... 2500k?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '500K for MFJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James O'Keefe is a legend'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what bad news is all the North Korea hyperventilating covering?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly something in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might not be a US smoke screen'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime they are reporting sizeable increases in thyroid problems in children along the western seaboard and in japan, also extremely high levels of aluminium are being detected in rainfall across the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that all about?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tsunami in nippon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reactor meltdown?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that isn't right is it? the EPA raised the safe levels of radiation you're allowed, so it can't be that, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be another answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they only raised it for home-schooled children'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the aluminium is too localised to be fallout'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'volcanic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not a volcanic product'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those are bout the only thing I can think of that would put it into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless there is some super secret governmental cloud seeding program afoot... but that's silver nitrate, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't use silver nitrate, aluminium oxide'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that must be it, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can't be'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they said they weren't doing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, if the said..'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a propoganda peace doing the rounds in the UK atm due to a measles outbreak in Wales'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're claiming it's because in the early 2000s some studies were put out linking the triple MMR vaccine to increased levels of autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which caused uptake to dip'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're using it to push the vaccine again, claiming the study was discredited (it wasn't), they saying it's the only way to protect your kids from measles, completely ignoring the fact that before the MMR vaccine there was a tried and tested entirely safe measles jab'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I had measles (and two sets of vaccines, apparently..). I remember getting 3 days off from school, propped up on the couch reading books.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps! Maybe you should too!
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just don't want to use it because it's from the non-favoured vendor'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I had to pick a main cause for the rise in autism, I'd go with gluten from post-imwic grains, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a combination of pollutants'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with asthma, it rose sharply in the 70s-90s and is now tailing off'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no particular sign of drop-offs in autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, still in the rise territory'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Recent studies show high stress during pregnancy can increase the likelihood of having an autistic child by almost 4 times, and having a traumatic experience such as sexual assault, the mother increases the chance of autism occuring by 7x.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with alzheimers'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also suspect those carbs are a key driver behind pretty much any lifestyle disease you care to mention'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'It's not that it's totally on the rise, but more things that generations past would have shrugged off are now being included or counted in these spectra.  Such as with celiac, the high gluten wheats that are being used are causing people who 20 years ago would ahve just been sick after eating pasta, now are getting violently ill.  It's just a change in the environmental circumstance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think all the drugs help, either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'New gluten/gliadin certainly causes more problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'No studies that I've seen make that link Tinada.  If you have them, I'd love to read them.  I think it's been a reason we saw a "rise" in Celiacs, but yet to see a connection to anything else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No, I haven't seen any proper studies of old vs. new grains'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but since you can't get celiac without gluten, and since those proteins changed in modern wheat, it would be rather surprising if that wasn't the main cause'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'See, I'll give you that, and I fully agree.  But having high gluten content creating other issues, I'm still on the fence about.  I want to see some evidence to show that it leads to autism, etc.  That would be intriguing to see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listening to some insight into the N Korea situation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the warren air force base and whatever that finnish study was called also made it highly unlikely that the observed increase is due to changed diagnostics'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'For autism there are a few studies showing improved behaviour on gluten-free (and gluten and casein-free) diets, but that's about as far as we've gotten.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an unfortunate consequence of the rise of autism and asperbers, ADHD and the rest (what ever the true cause), is lack of parenting and dicipline.  Once a diagnosis is made, the parents are off the hook.  They can now say "his behavior is not our fault [and by extension, not our problem]".  I relate this as a parent of an aspergers child, and from the perspective of the school system.  We used to go to support groups and such, but they were just a huge bitch session about how no one is fixing their problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents and teachers aren't allowed to discipline anymore, and more and more, they have been allowed to abdicate responsibility for their kids behaviour. Those kids grow up into adults that are allowed to abdicate their responsibility for themselves to the government, you then have dependancy and decadence'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what kills societies and civilisation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i thought i had that syndrome but then it turned out i was just a bitch:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i had like 8 from 10 symptoms of that.. assburger's:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a 'special needs' child requires two and three times the amount of dicipline at home to get anywhere near a functional level, and in many cases, they do not belong in the public school system.  We have had ours in and out, depending on the level of strain he puts on the classroom... he's more or less normalized, now, and is able to function (and get respectable grades) in a main stream class, but he has a classmate who needs to be in an institution to get right. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hide your guns with friends yet, vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a really good safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not good enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spread em!, bury a couple if need be'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is for me... but I see where your going'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you get your letter yet calling you in for a wellness check yet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of yets, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should never handle a gun un supervised, but we do hunt and shoot together'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not talking about your kid, talking about you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... no.  I'm off the grid there.  It's an "option"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I feel homicidal, I'm supposed to call the hotline'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I'm feeling suicidal, I'm supposed to just go ahead with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, keep your eyes open for that letter :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I'm feeling patriotic, I'm supposed to immediatly submit myself for pyciatric evaluation and institutionalization'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you get the letter, it's a sign that they're about to yoink your guns and ban you from owning one, no judge no jury'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it is.  I get about 10 junk mails a day that have VA slapped all over them... I've missed official letters before.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the one that said my retirement was being reduced on account of an accounting error.  turns out I only served 25 years and 3 months... not 25 and 4.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was rather big of them to let me know'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my tri care is going up from $570 to $3,600 next year, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still pretty cheap, but that's a huge leap'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is tri care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tricare is health inssurance thru humana... it's basically subsidised insurance that is issued to the military.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while you are active, you don't pay anything.. .once you retire, you have to pay the $570'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about 15 years ago, military health care, for all intents and purposes, privatized.  went from green-suited (military people) doctors and nurses to what ammount to contractors.  had to be a way to pay them, so they came up with Tricare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, $3600 isn't too bad for a year's healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand, everyone's healthcare insurance is going up anything from 25-100% this year thanks to obamacare, and he's gonna do more'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notwithstanding the shortfall in doctors already announced, medicare patients being turned away etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... part of it is that Tricare funding is being raped to cover other areas of Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though my favourite headline was the 3.9tons of pot confiscated by texas highway patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Disney is to close LucasArts computer games division'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with three hot titles already announced'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most notable - Battlefield 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but business is business'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in a very rare spot of actualy proper governance, UK parliament considers banning neonicotinoid pesticides (Roundup) to try and save the bee population'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but roundup kills my weeds!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also wipes out the bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's the imperical data that supports this?  I say it's cell phones what's killing the bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'implicated in colony collapse disorder'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"implicated" isn't the same as "proven".. .monsanto will go BROKE... all those jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all those last tomatoes!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the thistle in my yard!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to stock up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just hoike them up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need weedkiller'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spraying is easier... pulling weeds = work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american wasn't built on laziness'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it's hard to find a mexican to hire these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they get paid more than you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. but their worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get two or three, plus one that speaks english (pay him double) and watch the work get done!  then again, we have a couple hard working HS kids in the area.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I could pay them the price of a bottle of roundup'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, who knows, the US is posturing officially. But maybe under the table they are shipping them a ship full of USD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, obama's apologizing for calling someone good looking'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder if they'd shoot him if he called her a rutting pig :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we all know that politicians are sexless, so he stepped over the line :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hm'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video was entertaining... but was a bit of a character assasination.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video was billed as "creationists craziest clame yet" (or some such as that), yet, creationist generally deny the existence of dinosaurs all togeter.  so I don't think DR kent is a creationist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mandatory listening of the musical group Air Supply has been added to the musical torture selection at Gitmo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'where are the trolls today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'One time, I aborted my own babies with a lighter and gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees from debate with her troll power.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Queen Bee Noegel on her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comes back to debate to pat Ranrr on the head with her battle hammer and then leaves... for real this time.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf you murderer!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'don't you know the bible says that abortion is murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Works of fiction say many strange things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'have you heard of this amazing thing called a joke? no, well get a dictionary!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i bet you guys think you're all so smart and funny but we will see who gets the last laugh when you burn in hell for blasphemy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do hope you're kidding Redryn'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I refuse to get preggers ATM I am waaay too selfish right now to have babies my car is my world at the momeny'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And I refuse to light gasoline in my vagina thank you'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fresh meat....-- Hannibal'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Did you read the book, Red Dragon ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, king tuts mask is made from 10 lbs of gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heavy is the head that wears the crown'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'must have been hard-headed'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'when are the trolls and debaters coming on or is it a slow day at the office'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Tigernuts is offline'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'snooky is banned appearantly'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Is he really banned?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that is what you told me noe'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'type "finger snooky" to see'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ok thats what I thought.  He sent me an email asking if he was'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'email was yesterday though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would he send an email to you asking?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he could email Lasher, or could just log in, both of which would give him absolutely correct answers'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is quite boring without him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because he is in love with my aura of awesome I don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'we can e-mail Lasher?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wolf@aardwolf.com will go to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(Imm) Dispel Majic: when someone is banned, they show up as (BANNED)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooo imm channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, chinese bird flu has spread to a 3rd chinese city...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Let me guess.  It has killed upwards of over 10 people'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '82'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'FUCK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's like nobody'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 9'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'almost hitting pandemic proportions now...dunno how China's population can ever bounce back from the ravaging'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont you know it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People just like talking about any new strain like it is horrible'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then again, end of the world scenarios are HIP and COOL these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the asteroid Apophis will come within 13,000 miles of hitting the earth in 2018 or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I was in Beijing during SARS, and it was crazy. Everywhere was empty. The government were suggesting people stay in their homes, and state media was advising people to report people who were coughing to the authorities. There was some story about a cabby who kicked someone out of his cab for coughing, and he was being lauded for his wisdom in the paper. It was pretty wild.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'They had people in hazard suits in the airports.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, that badass meteorite that went over russia was pretty huge and powerful and we didn't even see it coming'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's funny, though, on all of the dash cams the Russians don't even make a comment like, OMG that is a huge ass explosion'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just: silence or continuing their conversations'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, apophis would probably destroy the state of NY if it hit,  and if another rock hits it in space the wrong way, it could nail us. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't really care, honestly.  There are so many near misses we don't even see coming, it's just a matter of time.  I do support continuing to look for more, but I'm not gonna worry myself about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a better chance of some cartel lobbing some artillery shells at you then you do of getting hit by an asteroid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'this kid will save us anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpdpW0z9xnQ'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here come the Romans!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No he wouldn't Fawlty.  Some jackass would sue him for so many patent infringements or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus he probably stole his dads credit cards so there's fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Kids going to Juvenile FOR SURE'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty chuckles at Queen Bee Noegel's joke.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When it happens, you just know that the zombie apocalypse will start in China.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck, Asian zombies can do flips and magicfly through forests of bamboo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh well'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so how can we not see these things coming, but some guy 300 years ago who had never seen halley's comet, and really no adult in known history had ever seen it twice, could correlate the period of the thing such that we know when it's coming within days?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blind luck ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'dat calculus'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty nods at a pit fiend.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'halley's comet isn't really too impressive.. capernicus had noted it, I believe...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'writen record of it goes back years and years'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no?  just "No"... no what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, copernicus hasn't noted halley's comet..."I saw something in the sky" isn't "this thing came back today"...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel points at Vonliege and screams, "NO!"
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He did take a note then.  Therefore, he noted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are visible comet, meteorites, etc all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the scene!
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many comets have made appearances in our historical records.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, many different comets'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'halley bopp'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Hale-Bopp'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'halley bopp sounds better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that one was coming to take people away from niagara falls'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's from wikipedia (sceptisism acceptable):  A comet was recorded in ancient Greece between 468 and 466 BCE'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wrong cut-and-paste...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here we go again....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The first certain appearance of Halley's Comet in the historical record is a description from 240 BCE, in the Chinese chronicle Records of the Grand Historian '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they couldn't even keep track of time back then...we can't narrow things down even to the right year'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's ex post facto'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they had calenders'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it just me or are avacados yummy ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they did...they just didn't keep track'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, avacados...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think the British used donkey tails to measure time and space'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avacado, egg, cheese, and bacon sandwich.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardles... I don't think that a debate over halleys comet is what you were getting ready to point out, Abelinc... you sounded like you were leading into something else.  hmm?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, wasn't leading into anything, just being incredulous at how little we've come'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was leading into how haleys comet is proof that abortion is ok before 8 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll just jump on any ol comment and make it an inquisition around here, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It says so in the Chinese Time Tables?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We've almost cured hair loss... i think we've come pretty far.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'd like to cure hair growht :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rubs her fingers through Fiendish's fur.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Fiendish, we have! Electrolysis, or however it's spelled. My mom de-haired her upper lip over a decade ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel then rubs fingers through her belly fur.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just how do you cure hair growth?  Mine just grows and grows'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I want to de hair the back of my neck, but most treatments are still kind of expensive'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'electrolysis works well to extract hydrogen from water also.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I'll be grateful for that when I am REALLY old'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think they kill the folicles with little electric shocks, or something. I'm no scientist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'is it better or worse than lasers?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If DDT hadn't been banned, you could use THAT... 'course, you'd also have to deal with the skin discoloration....  and maybe cancer... but just maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just man up and let the wife use the wax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Lasers are more awesome than electric shocks, but I'd consult a doctor for a more fact-based appraisal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Men are pansies when it comes to wax'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they wanna fight wars and kick ass'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we squeeze our lemons out through a smaller hole, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my sister still swears by the original style of epilady'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'd get our ears and noses waxed in Iraq...  'cause the sand is a bugger when it gets all crusted in your nose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that would corelate with sinus maldies, too... we had alot of those'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iraq has sand?  I thought it was the land of milk and honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was back in the day... Sadam turned it all to sand'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he used up all is WMDs laying waste to the fertile valley'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nono, it only turned to sand cuz there's no extreme cattle grazing :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a little bit of goat shite goes along way to stableize the dirt'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after a sand storm, you can look out across the sand and see dozens of little 6-10 inch tall pillars of sand.. each with a little goat turd on top.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'iraqi goats are so well-trained...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'open up in the name of the divine donkey!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers at the University of Washington say they've built all the pieces for a fusion-powered rocket system that could get a crew to Mars in 30 days. Now they just have to put the pieces together and see if they work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They won't'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I sabotaged them bwahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'we've had the pieces for a fusion powered rocket for a long time already'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anyways, do you have details on the propulsion system?  I am interested in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pffft'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what would happen if we dumped the sand of the sahara desert into the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it will be the sahara ocean'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, probably nothing at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5000 years ago there was hardly any sand where the sahara desert is now, it was lush green and lakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I blame global warming'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Natural warming that is bwahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'anthropogenic climate change'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'global warming is and always has been a silly name for anthropogenic climate change'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic called JINX before The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Holy crap lots of people for anthropogenic climate change what is going on here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'oops what'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sh'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5000 years ago or so, more of the sand/dust went into the ocean, and was not deposited where the sahara is now......'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess the winds were stronger back then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in areas prone to sand, once the grass cover is destroyed it's extraordinarily difficult to break the cycle again'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'The fremen had a plan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, yes they did'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should repopulate the high plains grasslands in the US with grazing animals before we lose it all to desertification.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'dessertification, mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yummy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like candy land? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'll agree there, but wide-ranging animals -- not permanent pastures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'parents asking the flight attendants to turn off a violent movie not appropriate for children = OMG, TERRORISTS! apparently.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, only jets I've been on that had movies had the screen at each seat that you could control'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, airlines usually have a digital library of films that people can watch on their own seat screen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, turkey can teach some lessons to the middle eastern muslim countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Americans throw away 96 billion pounds of food every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'EACH'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure does take a lot of corn and water to make a lb of meat....but damn that meat tastes good!  (7 lbs corn, 2500 gallons water)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'stop feeding your animals corn'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but we need to so that they get fat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know right!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans eat corn and get fat, animals eat corn and get fat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I prefer meat to fat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good marbling is desirable, but not outright fat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, our modern food producing system creates a waste of around 50% of what we produce that doesnt get eaten, and that includes food that we export to other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food is so cheap in the western world now, that it is cheaper to just throw it away, and charge higher prices for the food we do buy....seems strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UK wastes almost 18 billion pounds of food each year, while the EU wastes almost 200 billion pounds of food each year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'PER PERSON'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be hard to compare that to years past, since the population (per capita) has changed so dramatically, but I would hazard that those numbers are not too far off from pre-refridgeration times'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'population per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recall growing up, we had a root cellar.  we might put up 20-30 bushels of tators, but only about 10 would get eaten.. the rest would spoil'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Then you did your root cellar wrong :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I don't mean from time... some would be good to eat 8-9 months later, but some would spoil in less than a month'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'variety also had alot to do with it... my grandparents would put up a much drier variety that had better spoilage rates.. our soil couldn't support that variety, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to dehydrate extra veggies....then can them for storage.....they will last at least a decade in a cool place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... consider advances in grain storage... 100 years ago (arbitrary number) there was not the level of grain drying... a huge percentage of grain spoiled in silos and bins before it ever left the farm... today, about 95% of grain gets to market'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'potatoes are great for dehydrating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a great idea, Riz.. but you just can't apply that model to the unwashed masses'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, the first words out of 90% of the people you sugested it to (another arbitrary number) would be "is the government going to buy me a dehydrator?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the best model for food storage, distrobution and consumption is the US military... the trust MRE.  Expensive as all hell for the military to buy, but MAN what a shelf life!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that is why there are rich people and poor people.....poor people become rich people by not asking those kinds of questions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poverty and victim minded'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'why would the people expect the govenment to buy them food dehydrators when no one expects thegovernment to buy them refridgerators?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, I love govt MRE's  I have 50 cases so far.....25 year shelf life when kept cool :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the government DOES buy them refridgerators... there are 90 million people in the US with out a job, but everyone is EATING, and everyone is  talking on a cell phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chili and beef stew are my fav.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the last 4-5 years, they have outsources MREs to so many different companies that there is no way to predict what you will get anymore... there are hundreds of menues!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It was really hard to get govt MRE's during the late 1990s to 2010 though, because of those 2 wars, and govt stockpiling after the first gulf war.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we have a food surplus, why wouldn't they be eating?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day.. there were 12... '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All that was really available were the non govt MRE wannabe types.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's WHAT they are eating... alot of food stamps get spent at KFC and McDonalds'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people waste food if it's cheap. the more expensive it is, the less will be wasted heh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that very much varies by state, in some states any sort of hot ready-to-eat food is banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now because the 2 wars have wound down, it is much easier to buy official govt MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good to know there are a few sane places left'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'also, 91% of americans own cell phones, and 7.7% are unemployed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that means more people don't own cell phones than are unemployed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that might depend on which unemployment measure you use :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'who cares how they spend their food stamps? if the government regulated it more, then people would just complain about the feds trying to control people's lives.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you ever buy govt MRE's though.....do NOT get the chili mac ones.......bleh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my least favorite MREs are the corned beef and hash, if they still have those. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right fawlty, people always seem to want the government to control other people's lives, but not theirs'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, corned beef and hash are not available as choices for US govt MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt has moved beyond those kinds of mres'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'MRE????'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now you have things like cheese and beef enchiladas, or veggie omelets, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it is according to this site: http://www.mreinfo.com/us/mre/mre-menus.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, it wasnt on my list of available mre's :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and it was the last time i had an MRE in 1996. (Shrug)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'grissom: mre's are basically military rations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like a long lasting meal-in-a-bag'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i see thanks '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's Meal: Ready to Eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'UBER-HIGH caloric meals in a pouch'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good to keep an army going no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some cool tech with the self-heating ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i haven't seen the self-heating ones, that does sound cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the self heating is damn cool....chemical heat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'really? they've had them for at least 25 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'put water in a bag and it goes hot'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Abel, believe it or not, there are some people in the world who don't know everything. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa had 6 cases of old C-rations in his garage......'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has something to do with an iron reaction... hydrogen is a byproduct....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am kinda afraid to open the C-rations.....should probably wear a hazard suit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can fill up a garbage bag with the gas from SEVERAL MRE heaters... the float... AND explode of you light em on fire'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't really EXPOLDE explode.. more like a fzzzzPOP'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ate a can of 30 yr old C-Ration baby potatoes one time.. found em half buries in a ditch during CSAR training (E&E Phase)... was HUNGRY hungry!... took a chance.. paid a little bit.. but lived'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the inside of the can wasn't rusty, so I figured it was worth the risk'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, these look ok, but the garage was not temp controlled :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no bloated cans or anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these are korean war c rations....my grandpa was in WWII and korean war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rest of the meal was shot, though... wish the cigarettes had been ok, but they were turned to dirt'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how I knew for sure it was one of the old ones... still had fags in it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chocolate candies turned white.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'temp-control... the M&Ms all turn white in MREs too'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... true story....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guy is with me in the field... it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guy is with me in the field... it's 1999 or so.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the M&Ms we are getting in the MREs all say "proud sponsor of the 88 soule olympics....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need to buy more MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1988 eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of them have contests and such... guy gets a WINNING M&M wrapper!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the MRE's were made back then and put in a warehouse somewhere for future use :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he sent it in, but the contest had expired 5 years prior.. no $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ouch, I won a boat that way....but was 3 weeks from a mail drop :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... was peace time, so we wern't burning thru them all that fast... we'd get 10-12 yr old MREs pretty often'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and on this: [06 Apr 19:00:15] (Debate) Fawlty: 'Abel, believe it or not, there are some people in the world who don't know everything. ;)'.....holy shit don't I know it! They're the only people I ever deal with :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS preferable to deal with people who know SOME things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It must be hard being omniscient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sweet God Blessed Jesus'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US ARMY Aviation branch'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'loved it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I didnt know the military still had that rule on the books that wouldnt allow the only grandson in a family to serve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not aware of it... as for only sons, it IS an option, but there hasn't been a draft to test it in along time... everyone can still volunteer though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I guess with a blended family you could have someone who's the only grandson and not the only son ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, back in 1991, I tried to join the marines after high school graduation, but they wouldnt let me because I was the only grandson in the family....and only son my parents had.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they try to spread the sons around - not let them be in the same unit, but that's hard to do now days... consider the national guard.. .there may be a Grandpa BN commander, Son Company Commander, and grandson Platoon leader in the same unit that goes to the same place... AND they might be the only males in the bloodline'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'd happily take me as the only son of the only son'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, perhaps the recruiter lied then....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I don't think that rule gets much play for keeping folks out'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was a story 5-6 years ago when the army was hurting.. a Grandmother, Daughter and Granddaughter all enlisted on the same day (they had JUST raised the max enlistment age to 49)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '49?  I thought it was 42 :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of them made it thru basic training, but that didn't make news'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think they dropped it back to 35 or something now though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might have been 42,,, I forget.  Never really had to consider it... but it WAS raised enough so the grandma could get in'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well no. 'aww, too bad' doesn't make the news very much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '42 would be really old to enlist in the military dang'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, if the grandma is 42 and the granddaughter is 17, that means that there are 25 years between generations -- i.e. at least one of the women had the kid when under 13'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so that seems rather odd'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no it wouldn't, jerk'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I RETIRED at 45... can't imagine STARTING at 42'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 40 year old 600 lb guy managed to get to 185 lbs and joined up at age 42'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dardezael . o O ( I'm so old gah... )
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Dardezael.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a wee baby.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'ill bet NOegel is 85, and I'm really only 12'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a crotchety old hag.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the navy and marines never changed their requirements, unlike the army'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'in other news.  Update nY is out of 22 ammo lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'could always join national guard, etc first, and "transfer" into federal military to avoid limits'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have lots of .22 ammo here in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'yeah I was on with a guy in tx who said as much'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no no, dont join the national guard...they will send your butt over to the middle east without the needed gear, and expect you to guard ammo dumps or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'but...but...it's a peace mission'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems kinda strange that the suicide rate of soldiers is 3x higher then vietnam.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'people are softer now'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well one of our new tactics, of course, is to eat the enemy.  it's taking its toll on their mental health'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Got some guys at work who say Vietnam Vets shake their hand and thank them for serving overseas.  They all say, WTF you guys fought in the god damn jungle we should be shaking your hands'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the VA isn't allowed to prescribe weed anymore. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, brownies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I like mine more'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'most people like mine better, i find, and are afraid to admit it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'night all have a nice day/night '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hoohah bar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er hooah!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'blaaaaach!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hooah Bar!  for when there just ain't no toilets around'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But!  The military says they are yummy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do not'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the marketing people say their yummy... and they went thru one brazillion soldiers till they found that one guy from the tennesee kills who thought it "wasn't bad"... and quoted him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hills'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, A rations.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'prefered, but hard to execute... salad dosn't travel well'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you will only get A rats in a dense population (4,000 or more) of troops.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the ration sometimes had Tang!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er MREs'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should add marijuana cigarettes to the MRE.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Meals, Rejected by Everyone is not nice......I happen to love them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They need to add more fiber though.....2 2gram fiber tablets would help, or add beans to the entree'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Day After should be required viewing in highschool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'TDA, a movie noir indeed :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'day after what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russia invades Germany, which causes NATO to use nuclear weapons on the advancing army, which then leads to a full nuclear war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sensible storyline i see, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Germany owns Russia an invasion. So does England :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'owes*'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The film shows the political aspect of it, then the nuclear missile attack, and then the survivors of it trying to live in the aftermath.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'silly me, not England, France :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ever see The Bedford Incident?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ronald Reagan watch the day after just before meeting with gorby, to reduce the amount of nuclear weapons on each side.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, I've seen some sizable mamma-sans :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If The Bush got elected anyone can :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, "elected"'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush jnr got elected in 2004 like Obama was elected in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is elected in the same way that Romney 'won' the GOP nomination'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Stockman has upset Washington'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how you know you've hit the target'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't read Stockman's articles or listened to his interviews, it's worth doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite how Biden's former economic adviser can critique his book as "wilfully ignorant of the impact of market failure" when he was supportive of bank bailouts is fucking ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these washington goons appear to be like parrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'line them up like carbon copies of the former Iraqi information minister who was there giving tv reports saying everything is fine and that the USA will be defeated (as US tanks roll by behind him)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the democrats are going to use the 3d printer to clone another obama and he will run in 2016'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MSNBC: We need to get out of the mindset that kids are parents responsibilites - kids belong to the collective'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden: We need to create a new world order'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need to create my own church.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'long live the Komsomol :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just don't go with the tax-dodging government control option'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest church in the country is in houston texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is honorable to avoid paying taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in this case, you sell tax status for government control'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a terribly good idea if you're a CHURCH'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does "legal presence, no lawful status" actually mean?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is possible to have a legal presence (be legally accepted. as a citizen), if you are granted stay be the US government you have lawful status.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they appear to sound mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have permission you have lawful status'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a temporary visa gives you lawful status'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what type of food helps your body replinsh blood at a faster rate'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'liver'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You needs iron to replenish blood, so anything with iron, like liver and red meat is good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, milk inhibits the uptake of iron.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so mean to the milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont you know that milk is the perfect food ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt tells us so !'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But unless you are a blood donor, or a vegan, the average person has no problem with iron.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not a calf, so I don't need to drink milk. I do love butter and cream, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cheese, from goats.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hear camel cheese is pretty good also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Except I am allergic to milk proteins :('
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am a blood donor, though, so I take some supplemental iron. Not as much as they would like, though, because I eat plenty of real food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'allergic to all cheeses, or just cows milk protein ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about goat ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Both, unfortunately. But I eat some anyways, it's just so good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat usually doesnt bother most people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... maybe I should try it again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat jerky is really good also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just never cared for goat.... or mutton, for that matter.  I DO like a young lambchop, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For some reason, goat is uncommon in sweden, we eat lamb, but not that much goat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'being desended from first generaltion norsk (minnestota)... scandinavia is just sheep county... we always had sheep on the farm, but mostly for wool and annual lambs.  goats don't do well up north.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now that I am in the south, I have goats, but they are for foilage control - not eating.  not by me, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there ARE some dairy goats up north, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, goats need more heat than lamb?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat meat is tasty.  Roasted on an open fire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope.. roasted, broasted, fried, dried, pickled... just don't like it.  you have at it, though =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a good goat is worth its weight in gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and when you get too many of them, just roast one up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... THAT is probobly true (not LITTERALLY true) in alot of places... goats are prized in A LOT of places in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well,if you have a brushproblem with high grass, poison ivy, etc, goats are useful.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that what mine are for  -  foilage control'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so are pigs, if you want to turn tough ground into good grazing ground.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and their good for reptiles, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out... I got othing else'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only problem with pigs is the paperwork needed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no paper needed here - thouhg alot of communities are sticky about pigs'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as you are not within city limits, you can pretty much have anything around here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'within reason of course.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- same'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all kinds of movement restrictions here, need passports for most livestock'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more then 5 domestic pigs, and the county will get suspicious, and ask you to get a permit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are county rooster laws though...you are only allowed 2 roosters in your flock...since they make the most noise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if your rural?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on how close your neighbors are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Youdont need a rooster anyways, unless you want chicks...you can still produce eggs without a rooster.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty sure we don't have those restrictions here... if you're outside city limits, you can straight up farm if you wanna.. now CHICKEN HOUSES are regulated.. can't just plop one of those wherever you want.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you need a $20 permit, and a water-shed survey'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it is a noise problem when everyone has chickens and some roosters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roosters making a racket calling to eachother in the morning hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't keep chickens, but some of the neighbors do - roosters, too.  there's a little rucus in the morning, but I'm pretty rural'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guineafowls are the worst....dont get those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neighbor keep those.. get's 20-30 every six months or so... road casualties - buzzards love 'em'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they keep the reptiles in check'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why does he get so many?  does he cook them ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. they are only for snake patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20-30 every 6 months ?  That is expensive.....a couple pigs would do the same job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs love to eat snakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and something about parasite control for his 6-7 beef cattle'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you can't just let pigs roam.. the guinies go ALL OVER the place.. '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he gets chicks, so I don't think he spends alot.  $2-3 each, at the most'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, guess I am just used to having wild boars all over the ranch keeping the snakes controlled...'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never see them near the house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since they go all over, they get whacked on the road alot'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you keep chickens, you'll end up having your house dispossed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dispossessed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has sea views (whole wall missing due to mortar strike)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your sysadmin sets the update policy for the department's pc's to "auto", then you probably should consider firing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if those idiot meat marketers think calling a pork steak, a detroit steak, or a roast, aNY roast is going to help southerners buy more meat at the store....they are more stupid then I thought.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'worked for salisbury'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USDA authorized meat produers to change the names of the 350 or so meat cuts of pork and beef.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still not going to work in the south.....you name it after southern cities, not yankee asshole cities. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's done that way to seem more upper crust'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even going to stop using pork chops as a name :('
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden they removed the bone from the pork chop and call that piece "inner tenderloin". Usually a fat free, gray disgusting cut.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That should be outer, not inner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Grey meat yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what all supermarket pork looks to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I havent bought pork from a supermarket in years.....we have so much wild pigs, that we have hunts 2-3x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The disadvantage of buying quality meat from a good farmer is that supermarket meat looks and smells wonky... '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wild pork tastes so much better compared to the store bought crap.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wild boar is awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It almost makes me want to become a hunter, just so I can get more of it....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is fun to hunt a boar....and dangerous....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike deer, a wild boar can kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roddenberry got his idea of the klingon targ from the wild boar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't mind getting killed by a wild boar, tbh, I like living primal :D Although I'd do my best to avoid it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Overseas demand for U.S. meat has cooled as both Russia and China have concerns about possible traces of the feed additive ractopamine, which is used to make meat leaner'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we add so much shit to our feed, it is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am surprised we are able to export any food at all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why people should go back to growing their own food and buying meat from the local farmer via the local abbatoir via their local butcher - control on the chain and transparency'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no surprise that a combination of corporate shopping interest + government legislation has meant all the small butchers and abbatoirs have closed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'makes it rather difficult to have a city that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cities are where all the trendies can be packed to give each other diseases and poison themselves to death'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hated cities anyway, but i completely lost any empathy for their inhabitants when it dawned on me that all of the fucking retarded regulations and changes that make my life a misery came out of citydwellers'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so city lovers - you're going to BURN'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the bread tastes good, and has fiber.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we have seen a lot of small producers starting to sell directly to customers popping up over the last 5-10 years or so. Definitely a trend change.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Skipping the middle men also means the farmer can get paid more and the customer can pay less or the same.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't happened here yet in any meaningful trend, ranrr owing to regulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take some fresh bacon from a wild boar, fry it up, put between two thick slices of bread.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, most people just buy the cheapest stuff from the supermarket, but at least now you have the option to buy the good stuff. Meat that looks and tastes like I remember it from my childhood :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wild boar spicy sausage for breakfast, with fresh eggs, and toast with real butter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'regulations definitely favor the big producers -- cla -h'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They've made some good changes here to make small producers possible. Also, it's allowed for a hunter to sell meat directly to customers without special paperwork since a couple of years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'those are great changes and I wish we would make them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still waiting for the penny to drop here, but all political movement is in the opposite direction because of the money crisis... which is kinda the idea of the crisis'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although most hunters keep the meat for themselves, you can, during season, find e.g. moose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'MOOSE'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Lots of moose in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of moose in Canada/Alaska'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a muntjac problem here, the government are contemplating a cull. I bet none of that meat will find it's way to the food chain, it'll all be pissed away and burnt'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the UK does waste 16 billion pounds of food every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a disgrace, riz, though USA is probably similar'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '96 billion pounds in the US, and 200 billion pounds in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '96 in US vs 16 in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so using some conversions i'm guessing then we're looking at $96bn in the US, $24b in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In Haiti, they waste none, but they also have none.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about $120 billion in the US in wasted food costs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so per capita wastage is the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has been estimated that about 50% of the food we produce is wasted, and that included any exports.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the blame for food wastage is ultimately traced back to the fact that while academically (supposedly) brighter than previous generations, the current crop are what can be best described as "fucking stupid". Blame government indoctrination (schooling) which has purged all semblance of basic home economics from the syllabus'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the price you pay for food also includes the cost of throwing away all that food, so it doesnt behoove the producers to use it....it is easier to just throw it away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should remove 'best before' dates on food, and teach people how to determine for themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that, people can't cope without government telling them what to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Our sense of taste and smell has been perfected for millions of years to do that, so everyone should be able to manage that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the food'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Watched a docu about food waste in western countries......A guy fed his whole family just from dumpster diving the local grocery stores.....hundreds of pounds of food thrown away in original packages every day.....just because it was expiring the next day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, only works for real food, not fake foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a tv series here called superscrimpers, had a segment on it where they helped out a family struggling with their budget, and would often see the crazy shit trendy people did, like chucking out their milk every day and buying fresh'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He would pick up 20 packages of all natural grown beef from behind the local Whole Foods and drop it off at a local shelter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, not just 'real food', food can go off in subtle ways that wouldn't trigger you to know it was off'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people get arrested to raiding skips behind supermarkets here now'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say that only applies to fake food, Majic. Real food doesn't need a date on it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I'd say that you're wrong, and I suggest you ask a food safety expert'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Give me an example.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supermarkets don't like it because people who skip-dive should be buying at full price, and didn't like the fact people were suing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure. Friend of mine ate beans that he'd forgotten about in the fridge, beans tasted fine, he ended up in the hospital with bloody diarrhea'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on a more widespread scale, look at how many people end up ill at church picnics due to homemade ice cream including raw eggs'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beans shouldnt cause that, must have been something else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or he had a weak immune system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beans shouldn't make you ill, unless they'd decayed '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cross-infection maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could have had a weak immune system, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... well, beans are not a natural food for us, so I guess our senses are not tuned to that. And ice cream is defintely not real food, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, okay, if you redefine 'real food' sufficiently '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'butter is real food.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had butter today!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo for butter!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't real real butter, but at least was butter as opposed to fake oil-based spread that will give you cancer/diabetes/whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has the UK started rationing things yet ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cant let you british people buy too much stuff now can we !!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Could just replace the 'best before' date with a 'production date' and teach people to use the gooey stuff between their ears.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rationing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'tax garbage?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'garbage is taxed, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tax it more!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and btw, what nuts said about skips, frankly I think that if you raid a supermarket's skip, why the fuck should you be able to sue them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? taxing it as it is hasn't done anything except put local tax rates up'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I was just trying to open a can of worms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, majic, though they're arresting people for taking from them on the grounds that it's theft'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted to clamp down on waste via tax, ranrr, tax supermarkets on packaging'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'theft of garbage?  Arrest me then, I would love to get on the local news and slam the supermarket.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pigouvian taxation never works because it is dreamt up by, and implemented by retards, many of which hail from left of centre political groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens frequently, riz, US or UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never heard of anyone being arrested here for stealing garbage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dumpster diving is a fine art in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, the bakeries near here have bins for their day-old bread when it's now two days old'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'around here = upstate ny'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilh5iUQIb4s&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ATF Seeks 'Massive' Database of Personal Info: 'Assets, Relatives, Associates and More''
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I told the ATF to get those because I was bored'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do with the ATF is to disband it'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Kerry: "Missile defense system is a 'cancer on our nation's defense''
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muslims now fighting christians in Egypt. Buddhists fighting muslims in Burma'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'noegel's fighting snooky's in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Residents said the violence broke out on Friday when a group of Christian children were drawing on a wall of a Muslim religious institute.A Reuters reporter saw what looked like a swastika drawn on the wall. Muslim residents said it had offended them because it looked like a cross.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 900 dead sealion cubs washed up on Californian beaches last week has been attributed to radiation poisoning from Fukishima'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12 million tons of UK's carefully sorted recyclables are being dumped in foreign landfills'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pigouvian taxation ftw'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than 10,000 people have signed a petition to revoke Obama's peace prize'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, why does he have a peace prize?  I didn't hear of this'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason EU has a peace prize, out of some bizarre psy-op-minded attempt to giving them credibility'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a peace prize also.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom waves his hands about in grand gestures as he casts, "SUMMON DOUBLE!"
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'summon hope?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope the SS United States ocean liner isnt mothballed....should refurb it, and use it as a small cruise ship along the coasts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet there are lots of people who would love to cruise on a retro ship, like how people used to in the 30s to 60s'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zero hedge is usually quite good, but i noticed this in a piece about portugal contemplating paying public sector wages in treasury bills to get around certain cuts being struck down by their court systems'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the country may find itself in the ECB's "dunce" corner, with Draghi preparing to pull a "Berlusconi" on a government which can't even whip its judicial branch in line"'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an independant judiciary is kinda essential to the seperation of powers in working democracy '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a government is able to lean on the judiciary, you start getting kangaroo-courts dominated by tyrannical government of the sort that you only see in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'like my afrikaans teacher says the people who invented afrikaans were smoking their socks'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a reason for banning socks'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I smoke my socks after I run.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'just dont invent a langauge after smoking them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scrublord Wolfe: 'I thought Afrikaans was basically a dialect of Dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LslLO9rAfjU'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll like that one :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think so, he just FTALKed some and it was straight up weird looking'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'mixture of german french and dutch'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scrublord Wolfe nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ah, that's why it was strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The only words I understood was die for the and radio for obvious'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'and if die radio doesnt mean the radio then I'm clueless grissom'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is talking too much and will be quiet now.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what differentiates a conspiracy theorist from a determined investigator doggedly chasing leads to prove x begat y?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'an example of the latter would be, say, Jethro Gibbs from the NCIS show.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'love isn't a real thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'true or false.  And why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither is fear'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Neither is the urge to shit when you're in the middle of the desert and have no toilet paper :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, that's real'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and quite dangerous, too, since it dehydrates you'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'especially if you just had coffee'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'thats called now planning ahead :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep, always carry a camelbak full of ice and water'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'not*'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's always warm muckwater at the end of about 3 hours lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even breathing the wrong way in the desert can lead to your death'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The desert is my bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you love it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Actually it's not I have been extremely dehydrated more than a few times'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'How much does your gear weigh anyway noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have no idea... gun belt is about 20 pounds, but I haven't put my camelbak and extras on a scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'tip from the wise... dont'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will have to do that tomorrow night when I go back to work... been on vacation for like 2 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'water's pretty heavy'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: '8 lbs a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '8.3 right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I'm a fan of integers these days :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm used to it though, if you don't have a camelbak and decide to track a group, you are just asking to be medivac'd if youre lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's a camelbak?  Is that like a saddlebag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's a backpack for gear that also has a waterbladder for hydration'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Always carry water purification tabs to drink the cows drinking water, but that is worst case scenario yuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'All I can say is bleh on the desert, never going into one outside the country AGAIN.  I'm cool with the california desert'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooo where did you go Karang'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even worse than self-recycling?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Kuwait'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ew'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you get freaked out by all them tarantulas, Noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no tarantulas down here, they're rare, but the banana spiders are big... but once you run into several of them in the dark you learn to just swat them out of the way'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Bring a blacklight in the desert you wont worry about tarantulas anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.expertistas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/banana-spider-7802431.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'scorpions kinda sorta glow under blacklight'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't use lights when you track a group, they will see you miles and miles away'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'night vision and infrared light'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, don't have to worry about the big scorpions.  The smaller the scorpion, the deadlier the toxin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'heh true but you don't think about just a big scary spider when there are nastiers are there'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't really worry about critters at all, lol... they say if you're not picking ticks off your body when you get home, then you weren't doing your job properly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'lol which border state?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, do you guys have any arachnophobia types of stories where someone got bit/stung/freaked out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not at my station that I know of, and I would because that story would spread fast lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And that guy would get a name for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'saw a 2nd lt lose his shit over... cant remember but it was a bug'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hehehe that's awesome'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'something like chickenhawk or Shrieks Like a Girl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No idea, I'm bad at coming up with nicknames'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you get big spiders down there?  I saw a Simutronics player's link about this large-ass spindly-legged spider they found hiding behind a wall-hung clock.  Thing was as big as the clock face.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I linked http://www.expertistas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/banana-spider-7802431.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About hand sized, but they don't get bigger than that usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you wouldn't really freak out if you came across that giant tarantula they just found?  The one that's as big as your face?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I wouldn't let it chill there, but I wouldnt be freaking smashing it with a rifle butt'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, I would probably take a picture of it though that would be sweet.  The biggest tarantula I have found was about palm sized so it was little.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was a trainee I felt grossed out running through spider webs, but after doing it constantly for 5-15 miles a night you get used to it hehe'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever blunder into the spider itself?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol yes you just swat them off'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Were you with BP before it became ICE?  Or does that age you too much? :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When you run into webs on a trail though, it means they are waaay ahead of you though'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ICE and BP are separate'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ICE special agents split off and became HSI about 2 years back I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'ahh, HSI?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I came in after BP joined CBP though, that was in 2004'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Homeland Security Investigations'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'new acronym gov acronym alway fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am in Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, Office of Border Patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'well not an acronym'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, the more likely one believes Princess Diana was murdered, the more likely one believes she's still alive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol whaaat hanslanda?  what do you mean'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'all I can say about Princess Diana she had weak genes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL damn'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a lame-ass study being published that says conspiracy theorists are divided along party lines, but part of that study shows that some conspiracy theorists believe in contradictory conspiracies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I love conspiracy theories, they're just so fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like reading about them, but most of them are just silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ie, thinking that someone killed Princess Di while also thinking that her death was faked and she's either living high and carefree somewhere anonymously OR is being held captive to maintain the illusion of her death.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'kinda like watching amovie thats stupid its funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Hanslanda, are you a brit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not by location.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'talk about semi vague, so are you an expat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, no, I'm a Midwesterner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I prefer fly over state inhabitant :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're on the third coast.  Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right, here we are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'haha never heard that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use it a lot in the television industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I got a great question when was the last time you were at like you know a beach? I'll take the coast any day'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and speaking of clowns and jokers, a vet named Kramer wants to legalize pot for pets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'so how would they administer it to the pet?  Ala 60's when they just essentally gassed chimps with smoke from pot?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'article doesn't say, but it does say blowing smoke in your pet's face is uncool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a related article says it's administered via glycerin tincture.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.vice.com/read/the-vet-who-wants-to-legalize-medical-marijuana-for-dogs-000841-v20n4'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's another junk-science study: happy newlyweds are more likely to get fat than less-happy newlyweds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Behngazi'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well handled, or diplomatic disaster'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I'll start'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll start with alternate outcomes....'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lets say we HAD engaged militarily...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and you'd be lying'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in all likelyhood, we would then be engaged in an expanded, and probobly heated police acition'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'esl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that could go for years.  (our ability to get in, and get out seems to have ended with WWII)...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the prospect of another military 'ball-and-chain' is not attractive to anyone (except maybe a few defense contrractors and their stock holders)...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so IF that had been the way it went, it would ultimatly have been recorded by history as a fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what was to be done?  Obama sure didn't want to go down in history for being a war monger....'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe (and this is an opinion based on no small experience in the region, and fair game for debate) that those people were sacrificed to prevent a costly and unpopular war/police action.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where the administration failed, was not taking ownership.  Inaction is ALWAYS an option when considering various courses of action. and it is the correct option more often than you would think'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Vonliege the new Chemosh replacement'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'So - inaction was the correct action at that moment in time to prevent another large scale deployment of US Troops - but not taking responsibility for that decision (and that whole Youtube angle?  farcical) was unforgivable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone jump in any time... debate is not a solo sport.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love solo sports, though :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... guess I'll try another topic late'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bullshit is too thick to jump in safely'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make a case'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state your position'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'discuss the goats again :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm outa goat... someone else is going to have to do CPR on THAT topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what about could Germany have won WW2 if hitler had not declared war on the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Germany would have had a good chance if Japan didn't rape Pearl Harbor and Hitler didn't invade Russia when he did'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe invading Russia was his biggest mistake'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He got waaay too cocky when it came to Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'also he interfered with his generals descions'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I'm sure he did a <smacks his head with his hand> when Japan hit Pearl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ON'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless "off" is short for "ofal".. in which case that reminds me.  I have to plant tomatoes today'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bumble Bee, Chicken of the Sea, and Starkist agreed to pay a total of more than $3 million to settle complaints that they put less tuna in their cans than required.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as they make up for it with dophin'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but who gets the $3 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CEO bonuses ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Where the red fern grows is a classic film'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And book... both made me weep like a little bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't like books that 'bitch-slap' me'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no denying it's a classic, mind you... just don't like its kind'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like books where the lizard monster is turned to ash on the last page'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... and where the hero gets to nail the hot chick'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kurt russell should have stopped being in films after old yeller.....even though stargate was good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stargate, the film was bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stargate, the tvseries, was okay, usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... production value was a bit low, but I really like the story'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Jersey Shore has great production value and will no doubt be a classic of American television.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of stands stood alone in the "pyramids were built by aliens" genre'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Stargate introductory movie storyline was defective and extremely bad -- sending a nuclear device through a gate to murder those on the other side -- euthanise the scriptwriters'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jersey shore will be banned by all western countries as too stupid to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Seriously, I don't know how why those kinds of shows are popular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because people like you watch them :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't watch them, you fool!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '-n 13'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's train-wreck TV.. like "here comes honey booboo"... no matter how bad your life sucks - or how many times you kid has been arrested - or how fat your wife has gotten... you can always find someting worse/more obsurd/more tragic on the good 'ol TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My wife is an overweight protozoan'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel /
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel :/
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't get the dinner plates into the washer?  laundry a bit piled up?  no problem.. just watch an episode of "hoarders"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, I know people who watch hoarders whenever they need motivation to throw stuff away. '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade never watched any of the "Jersey Shore" episodes -- the tvseries title (Jersey Shore) and the promos reeked "suuth park gay"
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade also avoided "Scrubs" and "Grays Anatomy"
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canned food in the US contains 52 to 66 % food in them.  The rest is water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's not surprising'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy frozen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canned is cheaper.. last along time too.  it has a place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe not cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Isn't steak like 60-75% water depending on cut?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it last along time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not cheaper....canned veggies are more expensive compared to frozen veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Water_in_Meats/index.asp'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canned veggies also have 4x the salt added.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm salt'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HUMANS are 70% water'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you may to be complaining that you want your orange juice as a powder, and your veggies fully dehydrated, and your steaks are tough as jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN type "tell hadar branch, info" though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oooops'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I could type that, but I don't want to'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure it wold do you any good.. worth a try, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, I would but then he would curse me'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to purchase soup without having to add tap water to the soup mix -- tap water and bottled water spoils the flavor of the soup'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I make my own soups and stews yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I make plenty of soup... but I buy some, too.  Like clam chowder'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Chowder!  Crap, I haven't had chowder in a long time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids most seafoods
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most seafoods cause damage to the human system -- looks at effect of seafood on the Japanese'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'godzilla'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ivars clam chowder....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I inject seafood and mercury every saturday into my veins'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've always been stumped by those signs around fishing holes... "the FDA recommends that you eat no more than one fish from this pond per month"... as if you'd eat ANY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol those make me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Logic: if it needs a sign like that, it's probably not worth eatin''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they just wanna say 'don't sue us''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'given as people have sued restaurants after getting sick from digging through the garbage ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'more like, given as people have sued restaraunts after getting sick from digging through the garbage and won.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Daloran.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorry, meant to say 'successfully sued' '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'it's cool =) I'd like to hope at least some countries legal systems aren't backwards as hours to the point it needed to be pointed out.. but i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as ours, not hours'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'the burgalar who fell through the roof on to the kitchen knife suing and winning still floors me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that a corrupt jury or a corrupt judge'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'stories like that are pretty common in the US, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'far more then they should be, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyers... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Time for this one to work. ciao'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is upset she has to work in 16 hours after 2 months vacation
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two months vacation, wth, what are you, a european?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I saved up my vacation time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'greece, more like'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had to take 3.5 months vacation one time... use or lose'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Was on two weeks sick leave for a bad flu, then 240 hours of annual'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NICE vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .it WAS nice... but wasn't so nice accumulating it'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'True'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back to back to back deployments... only supposed to be able to carry 60 days max over 1 OCT... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ugh'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is not jealous of Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the iron lady is dead'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breaking on the nuews'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'tis sad. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, if I saw all those north korea planes flying overhead like in Red Dawn....I wouldnt be staring at em....get out the guns boys, its time to teach these bastards a lesson!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it went so well in Iraq. Yay war...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'North Korea is hopefully just bluffing....we dont need more money out the door right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'not to mention we wouldn't win :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'there is no winning in modern war haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'there is only those who lose less than others'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'someone's been watching war games? the only way to win is not to play?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I win easily at Call of Duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Easiest war ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel fless debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty fleas debate.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol grrrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, which means use the damn bombs!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we built the b-52s for a reason...use em.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you're right, the lives of innocent civilians are less than worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i feel the same way about my own life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Less than worthless?  Wow, that's low.  Basically you get paid to kill them then'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel points and laughs at Fawlty's emokid comment
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'noegel, right again. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts Fawlty.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i need to start thinking like a mercinary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if nothing else, i'm worth the cost of a single bullet, or the components in the bombs that would vaporize me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"children belong to the WHOLE community"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Except for sex offenders!! :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"as as parent, you do not have sole responsibility for decisions effecting your child"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who are you quoting, Vonliege, so I can destroy them'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moment... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Children actually belong to themselves. Ownership of children is child slavery.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/08/glenn-beck-eviscerates-msnbc-promo-claiming-your-kids-belong-to-the-whole-community-and-makes-some-scary-connections/'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, Fawlty, who else will work in my small engine repair shop?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Midgets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children have to go thru the coursts to get out from under their parents thumb... until they do, parents call the shots'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'sorry, not PC. Little People'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "M" word'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some midgets'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'congressman Hank Johnson is a joke... everyone (at least 51%) from Georgia's 4th Congressional District should be ashamed'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes, I am ashamed of some of the things I say on this MUD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About 71% of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Are you more ashamed of saying you love midgets, or engage in child slavery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'getting elected to congress takes SOMETHING... smarts?  gile?  tenacity?  powerful friends?  but what in the hell explains how Hank Johnson is a congressman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, more ashamed in midgets because children don't have souls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow, I'll be quiet now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty comforts Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will let people know the previous comment is not true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not the quiet one, the one before.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'People select their leaders in a democracy the same way they select their celebrities. It's mostly looks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are thousands of children killed in Aard every day... according to Duckbat, there is only one midget.. a Midget Titan'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I don't think it's true you'll be quiet either, but i'm happy to read you talk. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Midget Titan?  So just your average joe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a wash to mee'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Halflings are midgets, though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'With hairy feet'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's probobly the smartest idiot in themud, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I have hairy feet, does that make me a giant halfling?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... a congressman who is afraid QUAM will sink if there are any more Marines stationed there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anyone wanna catch second breakfast with me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shaves your feet with feverish zealous!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty  's foot hair grows back almost instantly.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a congresswoman who thinks rifle magazines come from the bullet store pre-loaded with a set number of bullets... like batteries?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yummy I love shaving feet'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not really wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Noggy... you know they'll probobly do a drug test your first couple of days back at work, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think you're just trying to get as much of your weirdness off your chest as possible before you return to work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're ready, I hope?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am just as weird at work.  Just not in front of the public :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lots of goofs and dorks at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just saying... as a matter of SOP... two months away?  they'll make you piss in a bottle'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't care, I don't do drugs homie'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was exempt from the wiz-quiz for two years, once...  drug eradication mission to Eastern TN.. we burned pot by the tens of tons!  '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm jealous, i have to pretend to be a sports loving, beer quaffing, "regular" dude at work at work or my co-workers mockme mercilessly for being different. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel eradicates Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There are men of all personalities and flavor.  We're a big family, though, and nobody looks down on you for being different.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every day, we'd fly back into the home base and there'd be a pillar of black smoke streatching FAR into the sky, and we'd fly right thruit'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what work do you do fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm a plumber.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol so you have to be stereotypical big tuff guy then'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Exactly. >_<'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, be sure to show some butt crack when you are doing your job....it is necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I personally don't call back plumbers unless I see at least 2 inches of crack'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'they might rape him'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rapes Grissom's keyboard so he can't debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'What if you can't see the crack because of a dense layer of back, and ass hair?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops that was supposed to be Ftalk grissom lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I will rub my fingers through it and say, Ooooh baby!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you should be a stripper, not a plumber.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '"See the amazing Sasquatch stripper!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is getting straight up weird'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And kinky'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'getting?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Argh work in 12 hours noo'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up for school in 12'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel puts Grissom to sleep... permanently.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom is revived
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel issues a requisition for Grissom to be nuked.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Target Apologizes for Plus-Size Dresses Sold in Manatee Gray"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or 7 days late?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chelsea Clinton: "I may run for public office one day"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, anyone know the general content of the 1.7m latest release from wikileaks? i heard it was 70s stuff and dubbed "The Kissenger Files", wondered if it had to do with Kissenger sinking his claws of control into Nixon when they totally bought off/fucked up the republicans at that time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, British public were left shocked at the announcement of the death of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, UK's only ever female prime minister. They thought she died years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she didnt die, she was turned into a wax museum statue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'hey those vegas statues are pretty legit'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear Texas is setting up it's own gold repository and moving to allow bullion as currency, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and marg thatcher wax statue will protect it from evil doers, with ronald reagan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul has released a home schooling curriculum'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3qtpdSQox0'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worth ridiculing a second time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriotic millionaire. What a joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QdgQnl2tbhs'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=32-kZHfLPh0'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal being torn out'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I love everyone'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's good'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love you, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in some sick, twisted arotic way... but more like how I love fresh maters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fresh maters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Taters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'close'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol mmmmm taters and tomaters'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, I don't really love fresh maters...  but I DO love the bacon that goes on the sandwich with them... I APPRECIATE fresh maters because they give me an excuse to fry bacon'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some guy on the bbc news website called me a nutter today, i was distraught'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Called you a nutter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Were you on the phone or what'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a glorified comment-on-the-news board'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts is the only brit in england that dug his own bunker under his house with a spoon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what i fill my lunchtime with'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he called me a nutter after i called him out on some lies he was peddling about vaccine safety and misreporting in the news'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, vaccines are safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines are mostly safe, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they worked for me, but you wont get me anywhere near a flu vaccine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, flu vaccine is just a moneymaking wheeze'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vacines for polio - good, vacines for smallpox - good, vacines for anthrax - not so good'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'old people with good insurance should get flu shots'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? placebo?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those uncharted games are addicting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anthrax?  it's not so good because there is no FDA (or UK equivilent) approved vacine.. .they use the Bovine variant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vetenaries have been taking them for year, so there IS a precedent... still... that's only a couple thousand doses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should just vaccinate the politicians with it....then we will know if it is safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'worse... they vacinated the US Armed Services... plenty of the UK servicemen, too.  Even Harry.. if the news can be believed'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not william, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thats not the point though....if self righteous politicians are willing to take it, then it must be somewhat safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who knew that the first victims of gun control would be US military veterans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a few vets[war, not animal] who have "troubles"... sort of like "gulf war syndrome"... some thinks it's the anthrax vacine.  could just about be anything, though.. get 5-6 hundred thousand folks in a room, and there's gong to be SOMETHING unexplanable'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy in After.Life is a serial killer...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fox might pull the plug on their free over-the-air signals, along with another major network.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should be paying for it anyways.....let the govt sell that bandwidth to make wireless better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wireless internet that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'far too many people can't afford pay-tv, regardless of where it comes from.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and for cable/satellite service, the price is artificially propped up because providers can't just buy saleable channels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is an orgy moral if it prevents a war from breaking out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China allows up to 150 ppb of arsenic in their rice.....the US allows 10 ppb.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which kind of arsenic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kind in rice, and water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft, nothing wrong with that kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a group 1 carcinogen....how about you go eat a teaspoon. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you might start seeing fruit juice in chocolate, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'World production of rice has risen steadily from about 200 million tonnes of paddy rice in 1960 to over 698 million tonnes in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'did i deserve a half a trivia point for pasta?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You deserve nothing but a year of hard labor in the pits of shame and embarrassment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel tosses Fawlty a pickaxe of sorrow
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i deserved that twice over before i ever made an account. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel doubles the sentence due to Fawlty's admission of prior crimes!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the nice things about the pits of shame and embarassment is the rampant nudity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos hops around like a little kid. 
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more asses on tv :('
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OR... you're likely to accidently get elected to the office of President.. either way <shrug>'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hmph... now THAT was a mischan!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ventria Bioscience has genetically modified rice to express lactoferrin, lysozyme, and human serum albumin, which are proteins usually found in breast milk. These proteins have antiviral, antibacterial, and antifungal effects.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a winner... now moms can get back to work ing 1 week, instead of 6'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no wonder our diplomacy with other countries is ont he downward trend....we havent had a career diplomat appointed ambassador to the big countries in 22 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big fundraisers get the appointments now.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'career diplomats get sent to Libya, or China, not the UK or Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, people don't take kindly to bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching pumping iron.....and I dont care what bodybuilders say...they didnt get THAT big without using steroids'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what about plastic surgery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could put those biggest losers on steroids, and the weight would drop off, and muscle mass get much bigger.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone else noted the disparity of tone for obituaries written for Margret Thatcher compared to those writen for Hugo Chavez?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'very polarized opinions of Thatcher'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... but you can't deny her greatness... wether for good or ill'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'always nice to share a quality with marmite'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I'm not denying that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'What the hell is Marmite, you ask?  Well, Marmite is made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and has a rather polarising effect on its consumers'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'nor can one deny its greatness regardless of whether one likes it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'conclusion: Lady Thatcher ate marmite.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even obama will deserve a decent obituary when he passes on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than a "she was a hard ass conservative bitch that made the rich richer..."  That's not called for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'PETA is buy drones to hunt hunters'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, lou ferrigno....he is almost deaf, from age 1, he learned how to lip read before he learned how to talk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'noticed that most of the lifters in this film do short reps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... does Aard's position on the ratings boards REALLY change the way we feel about Aard?  Sometimes I think I am at an Amway convention for all the "Vote!" "we need to be #1!" "If you don't vote - you need to leave" propaganda I hear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Amway rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a legal pyramid scheme.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't honestly think so.  We get so many new people, but most of them seem to quit'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '270 of the 401 people on right now are tiered characters'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AMWAY people scare me a little bit... their like zombies... in a trance... buy my stuff...  BUY my stuff... BUY MY STUFF!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have a friend who's getting into Amway - he won't be your friend for long... not after he tries to sell you stuff 10-20 times a day'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so not vote but rather improve the mud for new players ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. .by all means vote... just don't make a holy crusade out of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would think a lot of new players get bored with the Academy because it's too long compared to most muds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some people just want to get to playing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel hides from the incoming flames.
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"just getting to playing" WOULD really feed the "read help xxx" trolls... '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '270 out of 401... that's an interesting stat... there's alot to be learned from it... '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It means that the game is not fit for new players lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the established clientel doesn't want to be saddled with "new blood"... they are in a "This is MY MUD" state of mind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck I've been playing for hundreds of hours and am not tiered.  And there are dozens of new people daily, and they don't come back'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is because the tiered players don't remember what it is like to be a newbie.  Got some senior agents at work like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt that any game gets more than 50/50 return players... even WoW only gets about 6% paying players from their "try it free for one month" deal'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait... that number is down to 2%... 2 percent!?!  could WoW finally be close to done?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yippe die WOW die'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wouldnt be surprised if that number was under 1% here'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You still have to kill 1 * Grissom (The Grand City of Aylor)
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are we facing a global aardcurrency collapse'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, sell all your gold now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont quite understand why Cutthroat Island didnt make a boatload of money.....it is a damn good film, and a classic now!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there does seem to be less gold going out than is created... what's the biggest gold sink?  Mastery/instinct?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go watch it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pirates...  gina davis... what's not to love?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and one of the best ship on ship battles with naval ships ever made.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Waterworld has made a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, that film mars needs moms bankrupted the company that made it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'erm, wasn't that made my disney?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'by*'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it was distributed by Disney'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The only thing that shut down was the co-op between ImageMovers and Disney (called ImageMovers Digital).  The ImageMovers studio still exists and is producing movies'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'eg. Real Steel'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which fish is your boat fishing for ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'mudders wear pink and funny glasses'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh that is evil.....a nanovirus that floats around the world absorbing electricity and self replicating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think I read an article that a self-replicating nanobot would consume the solar system in 4 days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would still need a power source, once that power source was exhausted it would stop.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until it was powered again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or solar powered!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then we are doooooomed'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that would be stupid now wouldnt it be ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this debate is SOOOO pointless!  The government has already said that nanobots have to have a kill switch.. IT'S COVERED!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MOVE ON!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless the kill switch was removed by a psychotic dad who lost his only son in Iraq.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides.. I have a sign at the end of my drive that says "No Nanobots"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wanted to take down the US by releasing the nanovirus into the air as a test, but without the kill switch :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck is a nanovirus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or rather - the fuck is a macrovirus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a machine virus'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nanovirus is what you get when you combine Rizgoth's brain with a common flu bug.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he honestly belives that the government would let something like that happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the government is THERE for you, man!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone know what a black helicopter that doesn't make any noise would be hovering over my back yard?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's just a test. Return to watching the television and put down that book.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'But the book was "how to ensure you are fair to the government when filing your taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the sequel to "why you should tell the IRS if your neighbor cheated on their taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm waiting for the last book in the trilogy "how to include uncle sam in your will"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I should catc that back up... it's on hulu'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Men are so upset at their penis sizes that they need to run scientific studies and send them to aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just some whacko at another houston college going on a knife spree. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Solution: Calm down, be confident, and shut the hell up'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad someone didnt have a gun to blow his ass away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BAN KNIVES!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there wasn't all this anti-gun brainwashing, maybe someone would have '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GOP getting shirty at Mother Jones illegal wiretapping'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Biden's been acting the ass again, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Biden 2016 !'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden 2016, a GOP dream ticket'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden-Kissenger ticket, we can send some dude in a grim reaper outfit to their rally and hopefully they'll die of sudden shock in their advanced ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many democrats coming out saying that Obamacare is a bust'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could have told you that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not suprising, really, since nobody took the time to read it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'did a new provision of it just go live?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they listened to special interests, instead of doing the right thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right thing would have been to hand all healthcare down to state level'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not just now, but a bunch of things went in at the first of the year.  Everything else goes live as of 1/1/14.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the united STATES'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretty much everyone who is in an individual plan now will see their premiums go up by something like 33% just because their existing plans don't have the Obama stamp of approval.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'individual plans are already 66% higher then they should be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Time columnist Joe Klein declared on MSNBC that anyone who fears that their goernment may become oppresive is 'anti-American''
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than it being complete bollocks, i'm anti-American because i think my british government is becoming oppresive?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess the founding fathers of the US were anti american :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, doesn't that make what he says officially treason?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe "Small" perhaps is compensating for a lack of a penis by wanting an authoritarian regime'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he'd have come out for a gun owner license instead, you know, an actual idea that everyone might be able to get behind, instead of throwing shit and calling people n ames, then i might have given him some kudos'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my own government is up to it's usual "passing shit laws" trick again, with plans to pass a bill that would make it a criminal offence for an owner to 'allow' their dog to attack a person on their own private property'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we ain't allowed guns to defend ourselves, now we're not even going to be allowed dogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a pretty important story, as it goes: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army memo listed American Family Association, Family Research COuncil, Buddhists, Evangelical CHristians, the entire Catholic Church as 'Domestic Hate Groups''
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot the military veterans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different memo, veterans are terrorists, not domestic hate groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the VA can label you as unable to handle your affairs and appoint a fiduciary, at which point having a gun makes you a felon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that without a warrant, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without a medical examination, without any offence being committed'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an example of how gun confiscation is happening outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all at Obama's behest'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- got a letter from the VA today suggesting that I "volutarily" register any weapons I might have... did say with who, though.  Havn't verified if actually IS from the VA, but I've gotten enough letters to say "it looks legit"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about I register a good boot in your ass, to whoever sent the letter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't i warn you? :-) next will be the "come for a wellness check"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the letter indicated that my primary motivation for doing so was to "alieviate any concerns or misgivings of co-workers and neighbors"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't collect any gun info on you, though, that's against Obamacare (who knew, a healthcare law that supports gun rights?)'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to, they just ask him to attend a wellness check where they decide without any evidence or previous conditions that he's a mental health risk and revoke his gun rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my property line is also the city limits line (city limits go 5-10 miles outside the city proper, here).  I moved my mailbox on the other side of the line and got a non-city zip code so that I would 'officially' be far enough away from the nearest military installation so that I can get all my medical care off-post, instead of being required to go on post... give me one layer of protection from the system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope the city doesnt annex in your direction.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can happen (and does, from time to time)...  it is generally voted on via reforendum, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you end up paying city property taxes, but you also get police and fire coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you get to vote in the city council elections'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'harris county here in Texas has been annexing montgomery county land for decades, and without votes....they just tell montgomery county to upgrade their connections to harris county, and when montgomery county cant do it, harris takes the land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is where the real power is around here'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you lucky!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water and sewer connections that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want those'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything around here is interconnected being so close to harris county.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using the same infrastructure, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the parents who abducted their own children back after they were removed from their custody for attending a teaparty rally and owning a small pipe full of pot, have turned up in Cuba'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the best of luck to them'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Cuba is selling them back'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for 100 tons of rice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes 'pfft' at Rizgoth and covers him with globs of spittle!
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how bad (or ironic) is it when you have to flee to Cuba to escape tyranny in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who is doing that??'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Hakken family'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hope they have fun then.  Cubans are still coming here daily'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Doesn't help that Cubans get a free pass'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they've managed to take savings with them, they'll probably do ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... the judge that finally granted custody of the Harkken children to the grandmother never published an 'opinion brief' as required... that's like taking them away and not explaining why.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would have like to know his reasons.... there is some debate as to wether there was any "tea party" activity invloved.  Originally, the reports were that they were originally arrested at a tea party rally, but that seems to have been retracted (or redacted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Carrot top was the stabber at the texas college ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'guess he finally couldn't handle the fact nobody thought he was funny?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's funnny.  I always thought he had the face of a murderer'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he looked funny... I laughed AT him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he made me feel better about how I look'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he made me feel better about the jokes I told'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he taught me that no matter how much I think I suck... he sucked more... he is a great man'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, carrot top is the beneficiary of really bad plastic surgery, plus a lot of weight lifting while using steroids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he musta chewed gum at the same time... that's why his upper jaw muscles poke out like spare ears'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jawbreakers must've driven him insane.  CRUNCH! CRUNCH! CRUNCH!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in western Kansas it was 17 F, and eastern Kansas it was 74 F.......about 100 miles in between.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'must be one hell of a hard front'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the strangest weather patterns in many years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and HUGE'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last summer was so dry here that the Baptist started sprinkling'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was so dry that the Catholics prayed for the wine to be turned back into water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was so dry.... well... we'll leave off about the jehovahs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the mormons just took off their shirts and wrung them out over the bushes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd like to see a configurable 'outfit' command... that would be handy... one that would get the crap out of bags if it can't find it elsewhere... that would replace ALOT of aliasing that I getting ready to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about cops being able to pull you over just for holding your phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '100% for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not... sounds fine to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you refering to the cell phone/GPS thing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, just holding it.  Not actually using it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's like holding a joint and not actually smoking it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pull '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only if you're moving it... shouldn't take you much more time than adjusting your radio, if you use one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pull 'em over and smash the phone on the pavement'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sick and tired of near-misses with people yacking on their phones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'regardless of what you're doing in your car - eating, makeup, radio changes, phone.  It's all distractions.  Distracted driving is on par with people who are overtired and drunk.  So I'm fine with a zero tolerance policy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can even pull you over if you were in a traffic jam.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'daydreamers represent a threat to safe driving that's 5 times worse than texting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can... but won't.. unless you give 'em a reason... 99% of the cops just wanna write their tickets and get home to their pot roast'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'The laws up here are very explicit - you cannot utilize your phone unless you're using a hands free device.  That means to dial as well.  There are days the cops go up and down slow traffic and ticket people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it's the law, then don't do it.  That's pretty simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fresno County looks to be leading a charge against distraction in general.  Could mean that even hands-free operation wouldn't be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we survived as a species for thousands of years without talking on cell phones. we'll get by some more, I should think'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can't be any worse than new 100% touchscreen interfaces like the Tesla Model S.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might even make it illegal not to have that call/text/app-killing app that shuts down anything on the phone when the accelerometer detects movement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a hard sell on this because afternoon befor last, a 13 yr old girl got PLOWED by a driver on the cell phone... took her out in her own FRICKING driveway!  This isn't fair for the sake of debate, I know.. but I'm personnaly hard to convince at this point'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't know the kid.. but I'm sure she didn't deserve that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she was playing in traffic, are you sure she didn't deserve it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop blaming the damn phone, that asshole should be in prison for 20 years for vehicular manslaughter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she was playing in her own drivewat'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and he should be in prison'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, where cars can go and more importantly where cars are expected to go.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same old debate....we never blame the people who do the crap, just the things that enable them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hans... are you smoking crack?  you must have different driveways in your plane of existence'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying she had a yard to play in.  Why did she choose the driveway?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent people should be in prison, end of story.....killing a kid with your car is pretty damn violent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... maybe she wanted to ride her bike?  shoot hoops in front of the garage?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vonliege... kids don't play outside anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wasnt an accident, he caused it to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'draw fricking chaulk art on the pavement?  it's her fricking drivway!  no 60MPH driving allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In all seriousness... guy left the public road into someone's private drive, resulting in the death of a human'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. she didn't die... severed her spine in two places and spilled her brains out... but she kilved'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'her previous life was killed....'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nice... I don't think I've seen anyone live when their brains are on the ground next to them'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should go after the parents for keeping her alive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lucky or not, depending on how you look at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my parents have strict orders in my will to pull the plug....I want to explore the freaking universe, not lie in a damn bed for the rest of my life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless.. I shouldn't have offered that for debate, since it's not statistical, or probobly even representative... it's a war-story'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'residential streets aren't warzones yet.  Haven't been any alien or zombie sightings.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure some inner city neighborhoods would disagree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you understand my meaning.  pretending not to is also poor debate skills'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most gun related murders take place in inner city neighborhoods, or other lower income areas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being serious on debate channel is also poor debate skills.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like being a news outlet on a channel with cartoons and prank shows.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and in an interesting twist, kids are just as distracting to drivers as cellphones are but we're never in a million years going to suggest people not have kids or can't drive them somewhere or otherwise parent them into good behavior during the trip.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, children are necessary for humanity's survival, so I think they get a special exemption.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are valid points made about what should and shouldn't be allowed... how about if you commit a crime with a gun, you die... if you cause an accidnet because you're busy OMGing with your freinds, you get your dialing finger broken.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point being... there is no CONSEQUENCE in our society'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all kinds of potential side affects to a "pull over to parent" type of law.  Imagine losing your $1.1 million super sports car to fire because the Fire Department can't actually get to the scene due to stopped traffic and tons of bad children getting spanked on the shoulder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol... You have been charged with three (3) counts of OMGing with accomplices'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's anecdotal, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then there's accessory crimes.  Think it's fair to get your fingers broken because your dumbass friend (or even a random misdial!) got caught drive-dialing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... anecdotal'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, what?  Someone not in a car got in trouble for talking/texting because the person on the other end of the line WAS in a car?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'accomplice'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it also sorta falls into 'what's necessary and what's not''
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mandating that kids can't leave their parents house unless it's in walking distance or they're hogtied imposes a lot more social consequences than 'you can't text when you're bored''
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not the kids we have to worry about.  Adults are far more likely to cell-and-drive than kids are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you missed his point... entirely'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right -- but adults are more likely to be distracting by their kids in the back seat. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'btw, I'm not a he'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a he when I feel like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my appologies... you missed IT'S point'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a0LwGnaKZy8'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proving Obama a liar maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh..'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, thought this was 'debate' channel not 'tin foil hat' channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you wearing a tinfoil hat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry man, Alex Jones could build us a second moon with the amount of lunacy he's got tucked away'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a video of a democrat official speaking in Austin, the place it was aired is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you mean that 40 seconds in the beginning before Alex Jones "explains" what the clip meant?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're expecting an unbiased media source in the USA, then you'll be waiting a whole lot of fucking time'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I always expect bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but there's a matter of degree'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i'm guessing you have the mental wherewithall to ignore what he says, watch the excerpt and draw your own concl'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as i have to do with every news report from every tv station'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the cheese slid off Jones's cracker years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. let me try again... there's 40 seconds of one guy, 20 seconds of Holden quote, Feinstein in here too'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of these pulled from context, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Jones does his best to tie them all together, and to Obama'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'whic his fine, that's his gig'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I just happen to realize he's nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feinstein and holder quotes are entirely within context'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both pertain to democrats attempts to ban guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh really? You mean Holder and Feinstein showed up to give a couple of 20 second speeches at a news conference, then went home that day... and that was it? Nothing before, nothing after?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news conference q&a's previous questions and following questions aren't relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no? well I guess we won't know unless we look for the footage'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is reaction given to reporters after a vote ever longer than a bit'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point is previous and following is called "context"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is absent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is all I said'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you expecting? it's a 4 minute news report, onslaught, since when do news bulletins carry lengthy biographies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's being rigorous and there's being ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'No it isn't. It's a 4 minute infowars punditry moment'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever man, carry on believing that the democrats don't have an anti-gun agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you NEED that tinfoil hat, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tinfoil doesn't prevent the rays, man!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure where I ever said what I think the dems have on their agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does anyone here disagree that democrats - as a party - want to ban (or limit to the point of uselesness) guns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if it's Alex Jones saying it, apparently, which is the weirdest kind of anti-source bias i've ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, can't imagine why I wouldn't trust a guy who says FEMA is setting up concentration camps for Americans, which is where we all get shuttled off too after our guns are taken apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<--FEMA zone 18'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows why, the fact that they do have numerous detention centers set up is not in question, possibly as preperation against a bioweapons attack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of logical reasons why'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, correction: concentration camps'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you see if you say it that way it sounds more ominous'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detention centre and concentration camp are the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have 65 acres purchased... about sixty 40-foot shipping containers on site.  triple strand consertina wire fense all around.  24/7 guard... but agian... could just be for disaster relief.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Really? You're actually going to try and pretend there aren't massive differences in connotation between calling something a "Detention Center" and a "Concentration Camp"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'connotation that you are putting on, they mean the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"prison camp" would also work'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we 6 shipping containers on our ranch....to keep the illegals captive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like bill clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... OF COURSE... when he said "Sexual relation", he was only refering to intercourse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should ask FEMA what they're for'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'storing rice in ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except they won't tell you, in the interests of transparency, since Obama promised the most transparent administration on record did he not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'signs all around say "property of FEMA.  Zone 18 contingiency Site - NO TRESPASSING"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't decide if I should set up a script to change the name output on this channel to (Conspiracy)
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or just turn it back off'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one might also wonder why, at the time of huge debt, you would begin setting up "brigade homeland", to create an armed federal force equally as powerful as the army'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got a call from HLS just before I retired.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I can help you on that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's for zombie incursions'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or why, if they're trying to save money by mass-purchasing ammo, they are buying hollow points which are twice the cost, not suitable for practice range, and banned by the Geneva convention'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh... I got THAT one... Geneva convention only applies to foriegn activities... not domastic'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer exploding rounds in my shotgun personally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they're banned for war, police forces actually use them all over'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'police use them for controlled penetration so you don't hit bystanders'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean seriously'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and to get a better splatter pattern'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't use them for training, and that's what they're bought for, allegedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exploding rounds... hmpht'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Daryl taught me all I need is a crossbow'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 3 of those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about, cut the crap and leave people alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Hawkeye taught me exploding arrows come in handy.. hmm.. who to believe...'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were terribly worried about guns getting into the hands of the mentally ill, spend money on mental health treatment and have a gun license system'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we used to spend money on mental health in the US, but reagan shut down all the federal mental hospitals and released the patients to the street.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no one is coming for your guns. No one came for them LAST time they were supposed to and I couldn't buy a box of ammo to save my life because idiots believed people like Alex Jones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'such a nice guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and they aren't coming for them NEXT time Alex Jones says they are'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? how many states so far have outlawed semi-auto's?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all that happens is everyone from sporting goods stores to wal-mart run out of ammo because of tin hat paranoida'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're run out of ammo because of Janet Napolitano's $1.5bn ammo contracts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the stopping of the recycling program from army spent casing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be aluminum hat paranoia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how's she manage that before the administration was even put together?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were no ammo shortages until recently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'frickin platinum hats these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when Obama was first elected there was a shortage'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never had any issues, and neitehr did anyone i know'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I did'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that happens when you fight 2 wars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't have been particularly severe, or widespread'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a "tin hat situation" for you....  while we were all worried about ammo... there was enough environmental and restrictive laws put into place to make manufacturing primers almost imposible... have you tried to buy pistol primers in the past 6 months?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got a shortage of baby milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, AJ does not have the listenership to have caused a countrwide ammo shortage - have your tinfoil hat back'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure China would love to export some baby milk to the UK....of course it will be 25% fake protein made from construction materials.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh it wasn't just AJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I said people LIKE AJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'AJ, the NRA guys, other nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whenever the government starts talking gun control, people will buy up'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not nuts, that's standard fear buying, it happens with gas here'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the govt isnt talking gun control, whackos are :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except the gov didn't start talking gun control. Obama gets elected and people just went crazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes... they... are'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ever try to buy a sheet of plywood with a hurricane coming?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or bottled water?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the attempt to get a semi-auto and high capacity magazine ban into the senate didn't happen in Onslaught's world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all right, I'm out, hopefully this chan is a bit more practical when Tigernuts is sleeping or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NJ and Connecticut didn't pass laws to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean, wait til i'm not here so you can me more comfortable in your strangely contorted reality where those things didn't actually happen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... he was better at it than Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the holocaust not happen in your reality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I call Godwin'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I win, see ya later'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call him, he's in Light'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have a shotgun......go buy one now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they ARE fun to watch...  so that takes time'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How can colleges justify charging $2400 for a meals plan ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'supply and demand?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'colleges are money making businesses'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's what people will pay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop the student loans, and you will see what people are willing to pay. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever happened to scholarships?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seriously doubt that more than a couple percent of students are actually PAYING $2,400'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'student loans are like credit cards now....easy to get, and you never pay them off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually most of them are paying them by means of loans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many colleges require that freshmen/soph live in the halls and many require that students in the halls have a meal plan'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government doesn't live within it's means, why should students?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only way to get out of it is to get kicked out of the dorms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'talking about meals... you don't think that school lunch subsidies extend to college?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid rule anyway, we never had meal plans in dorms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are SO MANY paths to free college'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kids are supposed to be learning to fend for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'scholorships are one,.. but it's pretty hard for average white joe to get those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, no. the students who get subsidized lunch usually qualify for pell grant or something like that which is just a general grant (and doesn't grant very much anyway, enough for a community college'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'community colleges are good... especially for the first two years'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's wrong with just having a subsidised cafeteria?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the grants go for tuition/room/board/etc as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I (taxpayer) don't want to fund it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, vonliege, the college does'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but colleges are "for profit"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've just discovered the problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they wouldn't fund it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the colleges are funded at least to some extent by taxpayers. Even the ones that don't get funds directly have students on federal student aid. VERY few do not have students on federal aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm saying that TAXPAYERs are funding it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our cafeteria was run by the student union and was not run for profit, hence was cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so was the pub'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all students qualify for pell grants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's why they have to let ROTC programs exist... THAT really chaps some liberal asses'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then between my two uni stints, the uni took them both over and they became both shit and expensive'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially after the limits were raised.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also had Streetfighter 2'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was reading how most colleges are trying to get away from the tenure system.....and switch to a more transient professorship'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how they can hire people like bill ayers'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a lovely man, apparently, knows el presidente too, worked with him on some shady business dealings'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am opposed to that... leaves WAY too much room to stack the facualty how ever you see fit... hell. you could give your MAMA a job teaching knitting'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and everyone know that "knitting" is code for "communism"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs for the family and friends? in Chicago? surely not, that's a really corruption free city, and the safest in the USA since they banned all firearms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone who argues otherwise is wearing a tinfoil hat'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, sorry, for a second I thought I was Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicago is extremely safe, if you are a govt employee like police, or firemen....but everyone else is open season.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, so the new aristocracy is safe, the peasants are not'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is boring... we don't disagree enough... where's onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of Margaret Thatcher buttscratcher?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't understand?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know who Margaret Thatcher was?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The Iron Lady... of course.. Grand 'ol woman'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know anything else about her, without looking it up on wikipaedia? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conservative...'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'great quotes... '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tough'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'died recently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'decisive'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. there is that'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'her husband preceeded her, tyhough.. so what's the "buttscratcher"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'British'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving you understand that there are countries in the world outside of USA, Canada, Mexicoa and Iraqistan'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'words to live by: The streets are safe in Philadelphia, it's only the people who make them unsafe. -- Mayor Frank Rizzo'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not entirely sure, Vonliege, moving on'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she did screw me up personally, though (and others of my generation)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she made a strategic blunder in making the UK reliant on the service/banking sector'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but she did save us from socialist bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know she was in with banking and industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she did stand up against those in Europe who wanted to make a United States of Europe, which is also why she was eventually outted'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she was a barrister by trade'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EU isn't doing so well ATM... might have been for the best... go on'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whatever you guys call them'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyer, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and her da was a grocerer'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, back when there were such things'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sort of waiting for the point of who/what the "buttscrather" was in your original statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with the united states of europe is, there are too many different cultures that have never really lived together.....whereas the US was mainly a small country when it started, and expanded via annexation to the west.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt a US could be created in todays world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and made people want to conform when they emigrated... it all worked out pretty well for us... yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure, vonliege, was camping at a rock festival and there was some intertent shouting going on, one side was shouting margaret thatcher, and the other buttscratcher, i'm not sure of the relvence or source of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but not lets get off track... UK - MT - EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest thing she did to screw me up was selling off all of the state owned social housing at a discount (which in itself was a good idea) but then barred local councils from using the money to build new social housing - it led to a boom in buy-to-lets which put severe upward pressure on the cost of housing, both rental and purchase'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so back in 1980, a 3 bedroom dupex with 1/2 acre of garden would cost 3.5 the average salary, now the same house costs 10x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've complained about it before. at length. repeatedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, you buy/rent when you can afford it... get it for free when you can't.  which sucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess what sucks is the definition of "afford it"... if you don't have any money left after you buy cigarrets, cable TV, cell phons and crack... then you can't afford housing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'limitedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the soup nazi says....NO SOUP FOR YOU!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you can borrow in terms of a mortgage is limited by your salary, ergo, what house you can afford is also'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like a stone kiln for making my own'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 1.6 billion coca-colas are consumed every day worldwide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as coca-cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cocacola doesnt even make the cola...they only make the syrup in a classified location.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it must be located under White House.....the govt sold the presidential bunker to pay down debt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'strong coffee+eucalypt candy+bubbly water=cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper coca cola is far better for you than the crazy sugar free ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should say "less bad" for you rather than better'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hesitate to agree that soft drinks are 'good', yes :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the main consumer of HFCS.....that needs to change.....all of you should get to deal with the problems of it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'HFCS consumption is down 7% in 2012 though.....need to reduce it that much every year.....boycott corn sugar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'and sugar while we are at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if congress doesn't change the renewable fuel standard thingies, you may end up converting all the corn to biofuels, that should take care of the HFCS problem, and also help combat overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also helps if you boycott sugar in general..'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coca cola uses a lot of robots in its factories.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a spacecraft 50 meters long has been found in the Sea of Galilee......'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more than 4000 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooh really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're just teasing :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is covered with stone....but we all know it is an alien spacecraft.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the only thing in the whole sea....satellites found it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no other structure like it, 50 meters long, 20 meters high from the sea floor'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and round.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a circle'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'makes perfect sense... object crashes... stones rush to envelop'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you just watch, we will find Vulcans inside.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Spock Lives!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or just my offspring.... yess..... the time has come, my babies'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know.. I just logged on, and I see vulcans and spock... what am I supposed to think?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 10 ton coil of aluminum makes 700,000 12 oz cans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or a vulcan space pod'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the red color that coca cola uses is coca cola red, and it is trademarked, only they can use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, the blue angels squadron has been canceled for 2013 :('
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress decided to keep its inhouse shoe polishing service instead of the blue angels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, pc sales plunged 14 % in the first 3 months of 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, change name of Twinkies to Twinkos ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tablet sales are up'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the average coca cola bottle in Europe is reused 15 times before it is melted down to create a new bottle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So that's why you came to Tuco. It doesn't matter, I'll kill them all'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is a kingstoner'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'KingstonerS TV is a show, a REAL show about stoners. No scripts, no rehershals, no bullshit. Straight stoners in their natural enviroment and the resulting shinnanigans.Enjoy and subscribe, because you never know where weed could take us'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'straight from a google search'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure how I feel about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and your opinion on it as a char name'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... it's not vulgar or lewd in and of itself... I would not choose it for myself, but you are not myself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Reign of Fire is a decent film'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dragons return and lay waste to the world.. set in england?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a Kingston-er is somebody from Kingston'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, kinda unrealistic though...you would think they would figure out that most of the dragons are female long before that military team did 20 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'entertaining, and good effects... I liked it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, me too'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'suspended disbelief is required for any of those types of films'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'd rewrite a different ewnding, where the dragons win -- and perhaps evolve into that Aliens creature'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kingston what?  CA, ONT, NY, GB....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aliens are always good'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then it would have been a different movie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alien vs. Dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or... aliens vs dragons vs humans vs GODSILLA!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'culd get nicholas cage to play the aliens AND the dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons vs humans (soon to be either extinct or the food crop for Aliens)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont forget the Predator.....gotta let them in the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons + Predator vs humans (as food crop for Aliens, and amusement for the Predators)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons + Predator + Skynet terminators  vs  humans -- (with a "To Serve Humans" cookbook)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you REALLY don't like humans, do yo Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm researching alternatives to the current humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I'm watching a CSI Miami rerun - never really got into the show, but it occurs to me... is there any place on this planet where a forensic lab has LEAD on solving a crime?  Where's the beat cops?  where's the pavement-beating detective work?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'less expensive to film inside.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is a TV show hehe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... but don't we expect a little more from our TV shows these days?  perhaps even a feable attempt at realism, especcialy for a crime drama?  It's not like it's star trek or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if you want reality, watch reality tv.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'm a huge fan of dancing with the stars, for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'actually, isn't there a reality show on about cops right now, oh yeah, it's called Cops. It's been on for 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Reality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like when they take a fuzzy surveillance camera and enhance the resolution on someones face to crystal clear?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... reality shows have worse scripts that fictional drama'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"scare tactics" is the absolutely WORST produced reality show... sometimes, if you watch close, you notice that the "mark" is used in multiple shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'other times, you can see that themark is wearing a wireless microphone'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, matt damon has become a Borg in his latest film, Elysium.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell is up with british electronic string quartets?  Bond, Escala, Astria, ''They'r all '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the stinking SAME!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'super-hot young chicks in tight clothes that prance seductively around the stage with their fiddles'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: '263 tiers on online out of a total of 388'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and i wonder how many are t9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '78'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'gamestat 9'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so that means 30% percent of tiers on currently are t9 and tiers as a whole make up 68% of players online'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I believe it is because this mud is not as friendly to new players as others.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so techinically we are like viruses to the tiers perfect system'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wouldn't say that lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's just that some tiers get irritated with newer players (especially those new to MUDs in general) because they don'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'dont remember what it is like to be a newbie'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'of course tiers cant survive without the new blood's coming in'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think they would survive just fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'then they wouldnt have anyone to make fun of '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's possible to remember being a newbie and still get irritated :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, Grissom, most people keep these channels off'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Clantalk is the place to be'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'At least according to the gamestat channel one'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I remember my first mud, I went around killing things for several days before I realized that you had to go to your guildmaster and type 'gain' to get a level :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL Majic I remember a mud like that and I did the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'this is the only mud i have ever played'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal comforts Grissom.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You will find (in my experience) that MUDs with few people are a closer knit community than this place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sometimes, though, it's very hard as a newbie to break into a close-knit community'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But this one is fine for my style'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're 'that nub who's always off soloing' who gets turned down for groups because 'no our group is perfect as is''
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah, if you are a loner in rl, you'll be most likely one here too'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I live in a cave in Zimbabwe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal comforts Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cool, I always wanted to live in a cave'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would invite you over but I'm being raided by tigers brb'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'caves are good....just need power brought in, internet, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am a loner in rl i am totally different on here i actually have self-esteem here and self-confidence'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the temp is pretty stable in a cave.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Back'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'front!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reminds me of one of my favourite fark headlines -- Senegal notes decrease in tiger population. Senegalese man armed only with stick curiously untroubled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'also be sure to get a bat or two to keep the mosquitoes away'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'GRrrrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'front is WAY better than "back"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'bats make guano and disease'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'bat-flu?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just feed mosquitos to my wolf children'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well noe not all of us are as hairy as you'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am pretty hairy'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My fur is prized by poachers'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get poached wuite a bit, do you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They attempt, but I have auto-turrets at the entrance'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what color is your fur'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gray'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'probably blue'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My fur changes colors depending on the weather and mood'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, gray like bill clintons hair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, that was just bill clinton humping me'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am sexy when my fur is conditioned'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How did the conversations abbout tiers get here'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and how do you type with your claws'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I keep them manicured!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tombstone is such a good film'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'conservatives are killing this country. :p  And need to be booted from the republican party.....let the moderates have it back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a moderate!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel runs for President!  Time to pack up your bags and move!
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'When Ozzy pee'd on it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what was it about again? something about tea in the sea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they had a few more days of rice, they would have taken the mexicans!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or if I was there!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would punch Santa Anna in the nuts!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRS has come out and said they're allowed to snoop emails without a warrant because 'people don't have an expectation of privacy in emails"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fling 'em high, ladies!  A study says that wearing bras makes your boobs saggier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other EU news, Honorary president of the supreme court of italy implicates the Bilderberg group of being in cohoots with far right organisation 'Ordine Nuovo' in kidnapping and murder of former italian prime minister Aldo Moro'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it's in keeping with Operation Gladio'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun control bill squeaks past senate, hopefully if the ammendment passes, it'll keep the dribbling liberals happy long enough to boot them out of office'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'why do you dislike the bill nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'in what sense?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't serve a purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'meaning you dont believe in the philosophy or you think there is a better way to achieve the same goal?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really about philosophy though, it's about practicality'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'make a law that makes it illegal for criminals to have a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so all 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ok... you havent really said anything constructive. what is your alternative?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a far better plan would have been a gun-owner license which you could have upon reaching 18, subject to passing a safety test, updated every 5 years or whenever you change address contingent upon proviing you have a gun safe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'its not making it illegal_ thats already the case. its about checking to make sure they cannot get guns as easily '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no requirement to record gun sales, only check validity of the license'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would circumvent people's concerns about gun registration'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i like your idea actually, but the nra would never let that pass'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you're looking at reducing violence, forget gun control, criinals don't get background checks, you need to sort out poverty, mental health, and end the drugs war'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would like that far better than the current scenario'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the current bill is a very small step in that directioe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current bill is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while i agree that they probably won't build a gun registry, it could lead to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also disagree with the steps being taken out of law to disarm army veterans, and these ridiculous stories about gun confiscation as a result of a child branding a water pistol'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'if there is no record of sales, how can you know which store doesnt care and sells to criminals?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can drive near the inner city neighborhood of houston and buy any gun I want off the record, it is easier to buy a gun then it is to buy a beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it matter, humbler?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'off the street that is....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the same reason you want to know which store sells tainted meat that kills people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unregistered guns are everywhere, it will always be that way...the only difference will be the bad guys will make all the money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would rely on codes of ethics and random checks, much like the threats put on stores selling licquor to underage people'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'if you do the same thing for guns that you do for cars: registration and passing a test, it would be safer for people'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would not'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gun registration is a bad idea....I wont register my guns, period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'why would my scenario not be safer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals don't register guns, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the analogy dies at that point'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they wont be able to escape arrest if they need to be registered'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could not require them to be registered though'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'not to mention the owner is responsible for safekeeping their guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'here in Texas they are finding unregistered NATO guns on the streets now.....smuggled into the US by the drug cartels, and sold to gangs, or anyone else who wants them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns are banned here, period, there is still gun crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a naive outlook, sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stolen guns don't have to be returned to their owners.  Who exactly is not going to escape arrest?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'police ask for car registration if you speed, they can check gun registration if you are convicted of assault or domestic abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to realise that gun ownership by lawful people isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'like they take away your car for being a menace to society, they can do the same for guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that now anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Criminals can steal cars. There's no reason for car registration either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'leave the gun unsecured: It is confiscated and you pay a fine to get it back, like when a car is towed'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason for car registration is to fight car theft'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, vehicles shouldnt be registered, it is only a way to tax people more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'leave a child unattended, pay a fine to get 'em back. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the reason cars have registration is also to catch criminals, thats why police ask for it, to make sure it isnt stolen and belongs to you'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'People should be taxed for car ownership because the government has to build/maintain the roads. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the real cause of gun violence is poverty, gangs, and the war on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get the govt out of vehicle registration, let the insurance companies do it....oh thats right they already do!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cause of massacres is mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort out the CAUSE'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, gas tax pays for roads.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Less taxes from vehicle registration = higher gas taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'and the govt has to pay for er visits of victims shot during gun violence and extra police, it is also a tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there should be toll booths to get onto the sidewalks.  Pedestrians use them'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'no one tax pays for any one thing, taxes are pooled and then divided by senate when they approve a budget'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'tolls, gas, registration, different things pay for roads'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK i'd vote to get rid of car tax, get rid of some of the fuel duty, revise insurance rules so that government could provide a basic minimal cheap policy option, and charge a yearly fee based on mileage'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'cigarette taxes dont have to pay for health, they can pay for schools or roads as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think specific duties like cigarette tax should be used explicitly for health, similarly car taxation should be used on the transport budget'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need to change the name of tax to theft....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats silly tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not at all silly, it's fair'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you use taxes on freedoms to pay for the cost to society of those things'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that would kill jobs, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would kill jobs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a yearly fee based on mileage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'some things do not have an accompanying tax. who pays for disability? welfare? income tax? some taxes are also incentives to lower costs, like tolls, to keep cars off of certain roads'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't touch jobs here, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already pay it in gas tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, they are going to charge you a mileage fee in a few years anyways....on top of gas taxes, and vehicle registration taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else comes out of general taxation, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who said gas tax would be enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states even charge property tax on your vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Humbler, tolls are also instituted to pay for specific project. For instance, where i live they started tolling a bridge to raise capitol to build a replacement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should move from gas taxes to mileage fee, riz, need to collect money from electric cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what pays to build schools? hospitals?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general taxation, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd scrap all here except income tax, sales tax, corporation tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'carbon-fuel burning engines also cause a cost to the air we breathe, so those taxes also pay for pollution'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'right...'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'these days the air pollution is mostly from wheel-ground contact, not exhaust'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particulate emissions from modern cars is tiny, it's mostly CO2 and water'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inefficient buildings create more pollution then autos now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consumerism and intensive farming causes more pollution than cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'those should be taxed too rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you must be a poor person, cause only really poor people want more taxes that they will never pay.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fewer taxes the better, you get more bang for your buck'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less opportunity for tax dodging'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sales taxes are best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of income taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, you need income taxes otherwise people just barter/pay cash and dodge sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's a pretty ignorant statement, rizgoth. there are a lot of inordinately wealthy people who support raising taxes. >_<'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, those are people whose wealth is offshore who'll never pay those taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the inconvenient thing about a sales tax is that it is inevitably regressive'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, that is why they hire expensive accountants to reduce their taxes, because they want to pay more tax. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'fawlty, he was saying that to avoid making an actual point'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the pseudo-royalty that want to pull up the drawbridge and make everyone else serfs'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'social programs enforce social stability that benefits the wealthy more than the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'without food stamps, for instance, starving people would turn to looting. that would cause society more than the food stamps. it's a reality of human nature.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they wanted to pay more tax, just deduct nothing....and pay the full rate on their income.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that will ever happen though...rich people are more stingy then poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no-one doubts the need for a safety net, i would question how big a net that is, and who should provide it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'perhaps without food stamps, you'd have to reorganize your economy in such a way that the "working poor" class disappeared, ie. the food stamps effectively subsidize walmart etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you are being dense on purpose riz? the people who advocate raising taxes want to raise it for them *and* the ones who abuse loopholes, to fix the economv'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the government is the only organization with the reach to provide such a program in an equitable, nation-wide form.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true, fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't fix the economy by raising taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can have some respect for that facebook ceo zuckerburg though.....buying those options and having to pay $1.2 billion in income tax....took a lot of guts....he could have spread it out over a couple years. and reduced his tax bill.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we're not talking about economy here, we're talking about social stability.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate the really neat 'loopholes' are more like barnyard doors that require a quite expensive car to drive through - multinational corporations and hnwi are the beneficiaries'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you make claims that are insubstantial tiger, state facts please'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about WHAT, humbler, you can't just claim someone's ideology is insubstantial and not say what it is you're disagreeing with'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you said not true to fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the reality of free-market capitalism is that economic forces will plunge certain areas/classes into poverty as the means of production and distribution change.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about government being the only thing that can provide a safety net? no, they aren't, charities, churches, and local community groups used to do it perfectly well, for far less money, and far more effectively'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'food stamps = subsidized food -> overconsumption of food, also food stamps which can only be used in certain preapproved locations (large chains) -> subsidizing said locations'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at WORST, it could be done at a state level'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'reread what fawlty said'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If poor people need money, give them money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, he took advantage of the lower income tax in 2012 to buy the options.......smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if poor people need money, give them a job'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we could use some street sweepers....give em a broom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zuckerberg is guilty of inside trading. Paying his fair share of tax is the least he should do, he ought to be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Who is going to give them a job, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who will pay them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'quite a lot of the people who receive food stamps have a job, but if two people can have full time jobs and not earn enough to pay for a family, there is something seriously wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't screwed up the economy, the private sector, worst case, the state could'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, let's take Detroit as an example.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare causes downward pressure on wages'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'how does welfare cause downward pressure on wages?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Is it the fault of the "working poor" that the economy in detroit collapsed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'detroit caused its own problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because wages are subsidised by the state, Humbler, as can be amply illustrated by the UK over the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by putting all their eggs into the auto industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and especially in the last 20'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'That's not actually true, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'and by that logic so did the usa, torch everything go to anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Detroit'seconmy collapsed because of global economic pressures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two of the detroit suburb factories moved to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In many ways, "Detroit" solved its problems in the same way manufacturing everywhere did, by replacing humans with machines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'auto factories that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so did the "working poor" cause the problems in Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'increased efficiency in manufacturing destroyed somewhere in the vicinity of 2m jobs in the US during the decade leading up to 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the working poor havent caused problems anywhere afaik'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon there will be some good farmland to buy in Detroit.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detroit collapsed because people in the banking and high end corporate hierarchy were allowed to exploit China'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not sure why anyone is blaming the working poor, that seems a bit unfair'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is blaming the working poor'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really think service workers spitting in your food is an urban myth, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so can we agree that the problems in Detroit, and the incredibly high unemployment there were not caused by the people who were unemplyed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly not, fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i said *working* hanslanda. if they are not doing their job they arent in the same group'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the people of detroit didnt cause the problem, but the govt leaders of detroit did by not diversifying their economy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the significant structural unemployment was mostly caused by demand changes and by more effective production'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so why shouldn't society, at large, that has a food surplus, provide those people with food until market forces re-distribute population to places with jobs to be had?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who has a food surplus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'because it is more effective to provide them with money'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The USA has a food surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've been importing food for years'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same thing happened to Texas back in the 80s when the oil industry crumbled, and the real estate industry crashed.....so Texas started to diversify into tech and manufacturing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that way people can make their own (on average more effective) consumption decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'scrolling back into a ongoing issue here on the channel... Did I miss it, or has anyone bothered to point a finger at the lazy, sit-on-their-ass, can't-find-a-job-that-they-LIKE, would rather sit and draw a free check poor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of those in the UK, vonliege, not so many in the US, though I bet the numbers are swelling swiftly'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well funny you should mention "Numbers"... what figures have you been using for this debate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'another issue is can they find the jobs, imagine you start in a society where 70iq is the cutoff point for having a job, then you can have 98% employment, shift that up to 85iq and you can have 85% employment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the question?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because I see the NUMBERS as being at the core of the issue... the liberals do not count the unemplyed that aren't looking, or that have stopped looking for work'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's true'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your iq is under 85, your best job opp is TSA officer or police'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or democrat senator'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in other news, post-2008 job creation has been concentrated down near the unskilled worker/min wage end of things'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or republican senator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senator generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neocon republican'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, you ought not count children adn retired people... but I believe you should count EVERY able bodied adault that does not have a job as UNEMPLOYED'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you want to feel fulfilled while still not making anywhere near enough to support yourself, go into healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, von, though you might want to count "housewife" as a full time job'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'including people who have no desire to seek a job, e.g. housewives, etc.?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JFK decided that looked bad, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nurses do quite well, so do rad techs, and other techs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trophy wives? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nonono, only jobs where you are outside your house and get paid with money count, everything else is slacking..'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trust fund babies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you shouldnt have to work 60 + hours a week just to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and because they're so expensive, healthcare agencies are quietly swapping them out for less-collegified models.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i halfway agree, the current figures are massaged, they do the same here in the UK. They also do the same with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg wage in the US has stagnated since the 1960s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's gone down, actually'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If your computer is twice as quick and costs 50% more than last year, it's really cheaper, stop whining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington State increased its min wage and tied it to inflation, and business is still booming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta factor in the affects of this latest financial crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an example of the fudge, tinana'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and here's what I think of "Job Creation"... you can't lose 100,000 mid-level jobs, create 80,000 low-level jobs, and say "We created 80,000 jobs!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in idaho border towns are going to washington to get jobs nearby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was admittedly an exaggerated example of hedonic modifications to the cpi'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example of the fudge would be "A Mercedes SLK55 costs $100,000 in 2011, a Fiat Punto in 2012 costs $20,000 therefore the cost of a car has dropped by $80,000"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait a minute... where's the oposition?  noone is defending the left here.  This isn't a debate, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The left made its point, and walked out of the building to go to a bitchin' party. Sorry, dudes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'People on the left side are busy watching whatever is on TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly a ridiculous example, but illustrates the "cheaper brand substitution" method they now use in inflation calculation, combined with the fact that over the last 20 years we've had all these cheap and CRAP imports coming from China means the inflation rate has been held artificially low since 1992'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'There's weed there, and bowls full of food-stamps. We're using them to order pizza.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food stamps use debit cards now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of which, how much you wanna bet the interest rates go back up once Sky(highhealthcare)Net becomes fully operational?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'normally, I'd stand in just so there could be a debate... but I can't take the left side on this issue... there's just no position to argue from... sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Damn, here i am, a liberal, and i've never had a food-stamp. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need to push banks to provide mortgages to people who can't afford it first, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'foodstamps buy pussy now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that they can take a second swipe at centralising ownership of all the remaining privately held real estate'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i was in welfare from 1995-1996, about 10 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1950s: people eat steak, 1980s: steak is expensive so people eat minced meat instead, minced meat replaces steak in the CPI, 2010s: minced meat becomes too expensive, so people eat dog food instead, dog food replaces minced meat in the CPI. Look up the BLS pages on the CPI mechanics, and you'll realized that this substitution is perfectly appropriate (although the examples in the text are different)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dog food isnt good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, according to the BLS economists, it is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'said who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dog food isn't good for dogs either'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does the BLS stand for "bullshit"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Big Load of Shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada claps at Tigernuts's performance.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had me worried there for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Tinada for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ive seen pets eat better food and wear designer clothing better than mine'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can even buy a water purifier device for the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it deliberately factors in degredation of living standards'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's called substitution, not degradation :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole idea of inflation was it was a measure of the cost increase in maintaining a fixed standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, and of course dog meat isn't degredation comapred to steak'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'tiger... you disappoint me, please cite your sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'clearly not, it's .. appropriate substitution of alternative goods'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shadow stats has a series of inflation figures based on the ORIGINAL measure of inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'www.shadowstats.com humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not against welfare, I am against punishing welfare recipients by reducing thier benefits just because they work to earn more to make their lives better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'punishing them just keeps them on welfare longer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'is that an unbiased source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not unbiased, you just need to understand what it's talking about'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"unbiased source"?  Now THAT'S an urban myth!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I definitely agree with Riz -- you should lose benefits at something like a rate of 1 dollar of benefits lost for every two earned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that way you are rewarding someone for even working 10 hours a week '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I had to guess, I'd say the shadowstats modifications are 3-4x what they should be, but I haven't looked thoroughly into it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the average yearly effect of substitution, hedonics etc. doesn't seem to be over 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'site also has the other rates of unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from official sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those I am not arguing much with, I was referring to the inflation adjustment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that social security disability benefit......the govt requires that you do not work period to get a measly $600 or so per month.....how about you let people earn more money on their own also so that they can have a better life ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do government change inflation measures? to make it lower, makes targets easier to hit, makes benefits and wage rises cheaper to afford, and makes GROWTH look bigger'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now you are limited to an extra $2000 per year in extra income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in Norway, you can earn about 1/5th of average wages before your disability benefits are reduced'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many disabled people who get the benefit could do part time work from home, but they are told no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whereas if you had someone who earned 4000 and you deducted 1000 off their yearly benefits because of it (4000-2000/2) they are still ahead and the government saves money'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference in inflation rates is some 5%, not 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I understand that the shadowstats claim it is in that area, I just couldn't get it to fit with the BLS reports when I looked through the method etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask an economist'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preferably one over the age of 65'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that shadowstats etc ... at any rate it is clear enough that for average people in the US, real incomed peaked around the time Nixon turned the dollar into pure fiat'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can do the math, that is not the problem, BLS gives their estimates, but I didn't see any suitable data sets on shadowstats when I looked into this about two years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the minimum wage in washington state is $9.19 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you need to subscribe to get the data sets'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one could of course argue that trusting the BLS is a bit naive, but the alternative would complicate things a bit more than I'd prefer'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013 has been introduced in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. If passed, it would raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour by 2015, and adjust it each year after that to keep up with the rising cost of living.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't trust either, but would certainly lean to Shadowstats because exactly the same thing has happened here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-exactly- the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'meanwhile in Norway, ordinary people are filthy rich compared to 30ys ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the change was just slow enough that old people can refuse to believe it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Norway needs to stop being used as a model'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sweden, then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'norway has what?  5 million people ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto sweden'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Denmark? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about France.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tiny countries with extremely high resource value'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about the UK, Italy, Spain, Portugal'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think Denmark has any resources to write home about. Beer, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and marijuana, or is that the netherlands ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the netherlands, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I need to visit there....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take the chunnel from the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Weed comes from the US.  It's carefully cultivated in national parks (and now you know why there's so much federal land).'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the model parts of the scandinavian countries isn't the wealth as such, more the relatively flat wage structure etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only the cartels use the national parks to grow weed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, curiously, in many areas we have freer markets than the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone use uses their homes and land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'denmark is another tiny country with considerable natural resource value'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if Portugal had billions of barrels of oil and trillions of cf of natgas off its shores.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how much oil and gas there is in the deep deep ocean which is not accessible right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ALOT'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just an issue of getting to it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern oil rigs can go down 1 mile of water, plus another 1.5 miles of rock'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'once we get all the glaciers melted, we can start on evaporating the oceans... it's only a matter of time, then.  WE'LL get that oil!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course those modern rigs cost $1-5 billion each.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least they can be registered on the marshall islands to reduce maintenance costs somewhat'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can use the seawater to producer power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cold fusion ftw!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fossilized bone ores for sale, 400k each.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there appear to be a number of cold fusion patents, so clearly it must work'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course it does!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt you see the film, The Saint ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My knowledge of physics only barely exceeds that of a dead rat or average high school student, so I couldn't say whether those methods work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'cavorting in the snow outside'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cold fusion doesn't currently work, but that doesn't mean that patented methods for specifically what the patent covers doesn't work...'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'during summer we have a southern side instead'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada bonks himself and grimaces in pain.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where does the southern side go in the winter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it goes to the northern side, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'could be like the super-HDL patent that Pfizer bought and probably hid in a dark cellar so as not to interfere with Lipitor sales'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, if all the ice on Antarctica and Greenland melted, it is estimated that the oceans would rise by about 230 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my hometown would be underwater, but my old house would be on a new island with the high school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, the new New Orealsn seawall and gate system that is 8 miles from the city is going to cost $15 billion, and it is 1/3rd done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Orleans even.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it would protect the city from a katrina size storm in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they hope...whenever we get cocky enough to declare that we've accounted for/tamed mother nature, she shows what she's really capable of'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they just discovered what is being called "dark lightning" - gamma and x ray radiation releases in thunderstorms which, if it hit you, would give you a life-long dose of radiation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're just about right'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If I stopped to think how frail we are, I'd go under my bed and never leave :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We're actually a part of nature. That makes us as strong as nature. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anyhow, there might be spiders under your bed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, so it's an ant, which we, as part of nature, step on without much thought :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ants are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i saw this awesome video this ant scientist made one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one of the reasons which I believe that, sadly, space travel is going to be not on the scale that we dream about.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that and the inability to go faster than light ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ants release this scent when they die, and the other ants take them and put them on the 'dead ant pile''
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'anyway, if you brush the scent on a live ant, the other ants will put the live ant on the dead ant pile.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if we could, if you we get our butts kicked in a medium which designed us, what is going to happen when we enter a medium we were not meant to thrive in?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the live ant will walk off the pile, and they'll put him on the pile again. it's amazingly hilarious to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fawlty, I've smelled it. It's just a whiff of formic acid :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i think that's probably just what we can smell, our noses suck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'by the time we conquer space we'll be creatures of pure thought. distance will ve irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and though can move at the speed of light because it has no mass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'thought even.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in English "ant" just  means ant. But in romace languages, the name for ant is derived from the name for formic acid. "Hormiga" in Spanish for instance. Formic acid is the reason why toddlers appear to eat dirt, they are eating ants instead for the acid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Holy moly, that's a cool fact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 2100+ the largest employers in the world will be businesses or govts that are building seawalls and sea gates to keep out the rising ocean levels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Come on Abel, you know pretty much everything. What does the future hole for homo sapiens?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '6 x 3 x 6 cubic-foot hole :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Beowulf defeated the ocean, and he was just one dude. Surely, we can all do it together.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, but Beowulf is an urban legend :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or what passed for urban in those days :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Lol, just legend. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty cuddles SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, lik Paul Banyan. It is likely that the man existed, but it is very doubtful he performed the deeds attributed to him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'You mean he didn't really own a totally tame forty foot tall blue ox?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I've seen that stuff in the MUD so it must be real.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something like that :) Though he might have owned an ox :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh! since you're an entimologist (antimologist?) i've got a fun fact for you:'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Beowulf is probably derived from a Germanic pair of words for "Bear"... a Bee wolf. A wolf that eats bees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, actually that makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It totally does! :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Beowulf was Saxon, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Its generally considered to be the first written literary work in english, if memory serves, yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'but is likely based on older germanic legends.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that is the claim.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'w00t! 15-year study sez Bras don't help prevent sagging or back issues long-term'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'burn 'em, ladies'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think the best thing about bras is taking them off :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Women who did not wear bras had a 7 millimeter lift as measured from their nipples each year. Their breasts were also firmer, and their stretch marks faded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they were more accessible :> '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fuck sagging and back issues, I don't want to deal with the painful bouncing when I'm moving.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can always help. I have supporting hands...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the known oil reserves in the world have a current value of $180 trillion......we can't afford it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love a methanol fueled fuel cell vehicle......so much cheaper then oil/gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or even a methanol fueled ICE vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tesla motors had to pay a $200,000 fine to the EPA because it didnt have an emissions certificate showing its rate of emissions......the damn car is ALL ELECTRIC!, they couldnt find the emissions pipe on the car, so it was never tested!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fine was for failing to get the certificate.... they failed, so they have to pay a fine.  The certificate would have been a mere formality had they bothered to apply for it.  Consider that even if you don't OWE taxes, but earned income, you still have to file your taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yeah, but you can see how they might forget it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh sure... it still makes a "what the hell" statement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sort of like our university makes all student clubs submit a 'monthly report' even if they didn't practice that month :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, meet'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, bureaucracy needs to have a standard to which all parties are held.  If you start considering EVERYTHING on a case by case basis, the cost and size of the bureaucracy neccessary to administer things would explode to phenominaly huge size.  This is why we have so many "thats obsurd" issues.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the trap is that often bureaucrats use bureaucracy as an excuse to flush common sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is differnet, I think. Once a bureaucracy is in place it's hard to remove'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'often if you ask people "what are you going to do with this data that you are collecting"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'they have no clear idea, even if there was a good purpose at one point'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'uh huh... feeding the machine'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tbh, riz, if you're reading that in a new story then it's 100% tesla's fault...they were fined $275k a couple years ago for not having the certificate of conformity for 2009, despite having it for 2008...not filling out the paperwork yet again is really stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a speaker at the TED conference mentioned it in his speech.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, so he was merely twisting facts to pretend that he had a point to make'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's what everyone does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if we ignored every twisted, spun, trumped-up statement that ever came out of washington or industry, it would be a quiet world indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc wouldn't mind that type of peace and quiet :-)
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'abe you know there is a place with that type of peace and quiet'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, not with all the amenities there isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'man you ruined my line '
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'hrumph'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might still find the punchline funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You punch him playfully.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was that funny?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. .it hurt =('
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok not as funny no but "In a Cemetery"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is a lyceum'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, homemade beef jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'homeade jerky is often crap.. most people don't know what the hell their doing, but their SOOOO proud of it, and you have to smile while you destroy your teeth and jaws on it.... or they soak it in liquid-fire-death-pepper-sauce which makes it doubly inedible.  I'm not very good at it.  has to have precise tempurature control to get rid ofthe moisture while retaining some small bit of chewability... I'll take my jerky in a mylar pouch with chemicals that are sure to keep it fresh for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo chinese barbequed pork is way better'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that's pretty good...  bulgogi for the beef eaters, or anything like that is good... usually really sweet - which I like'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bulgogi is korean'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you should try looking for ba kwa'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when you say "Jerky", I think that comes with a certain expectaion of "ready-to-eat" preserved food.  Has to have a shelflife.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkwa'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bakwa is ready to eat and generally lasts several months if stored properly'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, aprox 313 years ago a megathrust earthquake took place on the cascadia subduction zone...it was around 8.5 to 9.2 in strength, and created a powerful tsunami that hit 4 locations in Japan, and the coast of washington and oregon state.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was there... it was only about 7.1'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'nobody in Oregon or Washington noticed because they hadn't had their starbucks yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or they didn't care 'cause they were baked'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new bird flu in China has infected 43 people, and 11 have died....some of the survivors have brain and organ damage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were to affect the UK, nobody would know any different'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... HA!  I get that... really... hahah'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is currently working on a vaccine for this new bird flu, so everyone can be assured, we will save you!  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Is the death tool over 30 now'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '11, but quite a few of the survivors have brain and organ damage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cereal industry is amazing......name another industry where you take 25 cents of cereal and sell it for $3 a box ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'coca cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: '4cents of coke in a can for a buck'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'restaurants sell you 3cents in a refillable cup for $2.79'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'at least when you buy the can, you get a can with it to keep!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'can costs more than the coke'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but soda sales are dropping, while cereal sales are growing.  I guess the soda makers need to add vitamins to its product. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'also, they need to pay the guy to put it in the can... and they need to pay for the energy for the assembly line...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'now if they threw coke into the coke... sales would go through the roof!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cereal makers added vitamins and minerals, and BAM, the industry started growing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've heard they used to do that, but it might be an urban legend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'used to be one of the residual ingredients from the products they made the drink from.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'they didn't refine the coke first... just used the plants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'hence the name coke I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'but not an urban legend... just a practice that ended a looooong time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think coca cola was originaly a medicine drink at soda shop/pharmacies a long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'snopes.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've also heard that the reason "lucky strike" cigarettes are called lucky strikes is because 1 of the cigarettes used to by a marijuana cigarette... know if that's true?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coca-cola was named back in 1885 for its two "medicinal" ingredients: extract of coca leaves and kola nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: '5 oz of coca leaf per gallon of syrup...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've also heard that a lot of factories used to serve coca-cola to their employees at lunch time because it was addictive (forced them to return to work) and increased productivity... also might not be true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'cocaine wasn't illegal until 1914'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coke changed the recipe 11 years prior to that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coca-cola is still flavored with a non-narcotic extract of the coca leave.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 1907, you could buy a bushel of corn for 75 cents, and turn it into $13 worth of corn flakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now, corn per bushel is $7.22 thanks to ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love those corn flakes with honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, tests done in the 60s showed that rats that ate the cereal box were healthier then the rats who ate the cereal inside the box.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so vitamins and minerals were added to cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'With inflation, I bet $7.22 today is less than 75 cents was in 1907.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, it's good if corn is expensive, maybe it will make people eat real food instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if more people ate real food, the price of the real food would skyrocket. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare costs would reduce thoug'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe, but also maybe more would produce it or at least try to produce something close to it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as most people just care about price of food, we get to keep the real food to ourselves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still enjoy regular corn flakes with honey though....and raw milk to boot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was kinda annoyed when I found out that the honey that honey oat cherrios contains chinese honey......'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or honey nut cherrios, whatever it is called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'bees don't recognize national boundaries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Honey Nut Cheerios yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese honey was tested to be mostly corn syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'by who, where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm Corn Syrup Cheerios mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Corn syrup is the devils food. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese honey also doesnt help protect you against pollen in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is better to eat honey from your own area to help build resistance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my favorite chinese food production story is the tea factory that was using steam rollers to dry their tea leaves by rolling over them in the factory parking lot over, and over again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'then, the tea had INSANE levels of tar in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, except for herbal tea, tea doesnt matter where it is grown, honey matters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it matters if it's got tar in it, though :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the factory got shut down, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my lipton tea is made in the US, and West Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lipton actually owns tea plantations in the US....south carolina I think.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'my tea is made in ... oh wait i dont drink tea'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love iced tea.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with fresh lemon from a lemontree.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I actually own my own plantation filled with bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And horny toads.  I use the horny toads for horny toad milk, and yes, they are mammals on my plantation'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm drinking lapsang souchong'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am drinking Iron brew'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever have weetabix? '
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'if you are talking about the South African cereal then yes if not no'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is british actually, but yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'in SA its line is "Pure wheat only nicer to eat"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was thinking this morning as i drove to work how much i hated the fact that the UK was overpopulated, how it meant being crowded together in rabbit hutches crushed together ontop of other people in other rabbit hutches'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the world is overpopulated... take your share you imperialist brit :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is not overpopulated, not really'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is plenty of land out there, we just use it badly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'sure it is.. or feel free to live in sahara or siberia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people do not want to live on the high plains, or grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or desert/tundra :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we should fill siberia with housing and use the agricultural land for food production :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 100 years, Canada and Siberia will be the breadbaskets of the world....not the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'siberia is mostly frozen year-round, so growing stuff will be quite a task'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should reform all the deserts, like what the arabs are doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I doubt the US will step aside that easily.....warmer temp resistant grains are being developed now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, all they need to do is stem immigration and stop paying people to breed, population will fall naturally'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'grains have always been developed to cope with climate changes, we're just better at it now'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'warmer climate won't do anything to help with the overpopulation problem though'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'overpopulation is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to Harry Reid, the Aurora shooter used 'a 100 clip magazine''
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 200 years if we survive global climate change, it wont matter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'and decreasing food and water supplies is a hoax? people starving to death in africa is a mirage? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overpopulation isn't a myth, it's just regional'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people starving to death in Africa is about politics and logistics, nothing more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'rizgoth, global demand for water outpacing supply in the next few decades?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'population in several areas of africa, especially the poorest countries, is kept artificially high due to western humanitary aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We send aid to Africa, african dictator takes the money and deposits it into the bank of england, then retires to portugal once another dictator overthrows him while he is vacationing in france.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Africa has one of the largest underground water sources in the world, they just need better ways to tap it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'that's the monetary aid, but organizations like red cross etc. are actually there helping people to survive starvation and disease'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that the African aquifer is at least 3x the size of the US ogallala aquifer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So no water shortages, ever? We can just keep mulriplying perpetually? what a relief.  ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap work force.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go move to Africa and dig some water wells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Just like the early 1800's?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the water rush :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You guys better get to terraforming Mars, we are going to need the space!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Is there water on Mars?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about we just stop having huge families and reduce the population gradually over time - this looks like it'll happen anyway, the population is set to peak at 9-12 billion by 2050'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mars has an atmosphere with water vapor and a northern ice cap according to photos'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'optimal population of the earth is 1-2bil'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not much water vapor, but enough to extract it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there is frozen water on mars apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I heard that the martian icecap might be made of methane or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can always redirect comets to mars also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'How do we re-direct comets?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i don't think mars is cold enough for frozen methane'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, mars is pretty warm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it does have seasons'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'with huge pingpong rackets :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we redirect a comet to strike DC?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'isn't earth the only planet in our solar system with the tilt that provides the seasons?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to go sea what is under the ice on Europa.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'see even'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'other than water?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'According to the internet you're totally right. It's not methane, it's about 2/3 of greenlands H2O icecaps, with a good supply of frozen CO2.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you might be thinking the moon Titan of Saturn though.....methane atmosphere, with frozen methane at surface, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'terraforming mars isn't something we have the tech to do yet anyway, broken planets are hard to mend :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the polar regions of Titan have methane ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'still some scientists believe that life forms from earth (extremophiles) could survive there'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am an extremophile.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nobody believes anything I see, jeez.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rndrp-lRuQM&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listen how fucking fast the interviewer pulls the plug when Ted asks her to agree that Eric Holder needs arresting for his part in gun trafficking'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol that's awesome'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Need more youtube videos on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try to only post short ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'debates online are already too littered with youtube links'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'useful repositary of video sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meh, but here it just gets boring reading the same tired debates everyday'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you make it sound as if youtube is not a certified scholarly resource'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud at GraySong Gregor.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many demands for sources for essentially ideological arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'fancy clipping, catchy music, and clever narrative should never trump good arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'fancy clipping, catchy music, and clever narrative should never trump good arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'oops :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to argue ideology, sometimes you just have to agree to disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'my point is that people get convinced by good video instead of the actual arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My point is that there are plenty of good arguments here and not enough video.  It's nice to see silly reactions like Tigernuts just showed'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, it's not the message you care about, it's who's delivering it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you debate someting ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do care about the message.  It would just be nice to see a video instead of the same three or five people every day.  Yargh'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is glad she purchased a flamesuit for 3tps.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'it is the message, but it's being obscured by catchy music, creative clipping, and professional actors doing the narrative'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'with some funding you could make a youtube flic that would convince some people the earth is flat :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the issue of the day?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am thinking about aborting my baby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'has he turned 7 years yet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'She is 1.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'then you have to wait until she's 18 so she can give her concent'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or was it 81?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or put her in the special baby mailbox at the hospital.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'maybe you should just freeze her so you'll have time to think about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'thawing should be no problem in a few years... maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty sick thing to joke about'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, that won't work.  She'd have to decapitate her first.  It's not that cool being like Ted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'everything can be joked about imo. just not in all settings'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I decapitated my baby.  But she just replicated and now I have twins.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'you worm you!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I keep doing it, I can get under the poverty line and get free moneys.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know that reality-show moms aren't all that popular thanks to Octomom and Kate Duggar, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'wouldn't you just have more indivuduals to divide your income on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can get them to work on my Asian Honey Plantation.  They can milk my horny toad mammal hybrids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i have never heard of 0ctomom or Kate Duggar... i still hate reality shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '*_*'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What kind of face is that, Sir Fawlty?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i can see stars in your eyes Fawlty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's my brains exploding out of my eyeballs trying to understand what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My Aura of Amazing does that to people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how hard can it be? he has mammal toads that need milking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Octomom was the lady who lived on welfare and shot up fertility drugs like heroin, then got OMG-freaked out when she ended up pregnant with octets (twins times four) she couldn't care for.  She conned a TV exec into getting her a reality show, and then when she got the money she made a porno full of risque poses where she doesn't even show her butt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a she, Knave Begalad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though my name sounds particularly... hairy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, I seen more skin in baby pictures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'my apologies mylady'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Hanslanda.  Sounds like a winner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will marry her and make more hybrids with her.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how is it a porno then? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'damn good adman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's a porno if there's a camera.  No camera and paid sex: prostitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'omg.. what if the camera breaks during filming? instant prostitution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it becomes an outtake or blooper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the ultra short way from actress to whore :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which one depends on whether there were other camaras in the room or not.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone watching Fox news today?  what the hell is the deal with the border?  where the hell is the border patrol?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'which border? are you in fear of canadian invasion?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They've got the blue pneumonia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The border patrol is playing Aardwolf atm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'northern border, white walkers, must build wall'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we fell to the canadians along time ago (Shhhhhh)...  it's the southern border that is on the News'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'no wall will hold them back :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What happened, Vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a mad dash to fill the security gap, the feds accidentally ended up hiring coyotes as replacements.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how strange.. nothing about that on norwegian public tv'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... truth is... it was probobly just a slow news day... basic run of the mill rhetoric about how we can't secure the border... I knew you were about, so threw out the bone'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was at the Academy, the FBI in black SUVs came and took a trainee away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Made me *facepalm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, promotion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lot's of dirty agents got hired in that mad push in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'norway shares a border with canada, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Punisher Bregalad.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'yes... the atlantic ocean :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Punisher Bregalad tickles Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shares a border with a goat farmer.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about 350 miles of border, to be precise'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so you're the fellow that watches our tv channel, I was wondering about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i have my own satelite just for that purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is Norwegian TV their response to Air America?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or, since you're in europe... about 580 kilometers'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'not in the norwegian mainland :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. one of your colonys'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I actually formed my own colony just three days ago in Snooky's Pub'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Mus Colonies.  The mice are rebelling'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'ah, our countless colonys.. the norwegian empire is incomprehensibly large :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're obviously not rising to the bait, so I will just tell you the border I'm refering to is Minnesota and Canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Northern Border Patrol are a bunch of old fat men waiting out retirement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'that piece of land was never officially norwegian though :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly the only place in the world that flies more norwiegian flags than norway'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They did an experiment to send trainees fresh from the Academy to the northern border with no southern border experience.... that was an experiment that failed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you southies in regular contact with the northerners, or do you all kinda operate like the east/west holy roman empires of yore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there was an attempt to make part of minnesota part of norway a couple of hundred years ago, but for some reason it never happened :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I was growing up, we were about 90% Norsk, 5% swedish, 2% german, and the rest polish, finish or dutch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then, when you got to a sufficient age, Mom and Dad finally told you the truth? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all no more than second or maybe third generation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'norwegians came to america too late and were stuck with land in minnesota :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn shame, Bregalad, daaaamn shame.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i actually have a bunch of relatives in that area.. minnesota, st. paul'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it's better than getting here tens of thousands of years ago, and being stuck with land in oklahoma, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's been pretty well diluted now... what with all the liberalism in Minnesota... people see the election results and say "hey!  let's move to minnesota and raise goats!  they're REAL progressives there"... then when they get here, the discover that all the liberals live in Minneapolis, and that out side the city, there is nothing but gun wielding norwiegians'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'being a native never paid off :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have the liberals never heard of Vikings?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'which is bad for europe atm, while it's being invaded from africa and asia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't norwegians lock themselves indoors in october and spend the entire winter drinking, eating, and having sex with their daughters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... the imegrants CHOSE minnesota... there was still plent of land to be had in nebraska, oklahoma, kansas... they just really liked the climate... shich sucked just as much as it did in the homeland'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'we lock ourselves indoors and EAT our sons and daughters. don't you people learn anything in school anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when a man takes a piss outside in January... his pecker should get a little cold!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You are thinking about the 1950s, Bregalad? US schools don't do this "learning" stuff anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'it freezes before it hits the ground, and before your done your pecker is frozen as well.. no sane person does that :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno but I been told, Eskimo pussy's mighty cold.  Could be the guy just needs to get acclimated first.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eskimo pussy is rotten, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there was still some learning in schools back in the 80s Tinada, as far as i can remember'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably, the men make their women strip and hop into bed with guests as a show of greeting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or a way of speading their genome around. it's not so long since we suddenly turned our backs on nature'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder when the price of seafood starts skyrocketing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we may have to research a fish replacement......how about algae!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My horny toad mammal hybrids secrete a milk that naturally grows a mold that evolves into dinofish in about three weeks'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more sustainable fisheries.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using food crops or land that was used to grow food crops to make biofuel is just stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there are about 450 sheep per person in New Zealand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'India went from receiving food aid 50 years ago, to producing the food it needs, thanks to r/d on gmo grains.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the green revolution in India changed everything....they decided to change how they grew food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1965, an Indian farmer could grow enough food on 2.5 acres to feed 12 people.  By 2007, the same farmer could produce enough food to feed 37 people on 2.5 acres of land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'meanwhile, the population grew by a tenth :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately it is unsustainable....they are using all their water resources at a quick rate....it is expected that they will run out of water resources in the punjab region in 15 years unless they become more efficient in using the water resources to grow the food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't they just wait for the next monsoon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They pump water from a huge aquifer under the punjab region.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it WAS huge 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm awake and i resign!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom summouns the debaters
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns Grissom into space dust.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom will debate what noegel did
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never seen Noegel debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom says that noegel is too sensitive to take the pressure
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've never seen anyone debate here, it's all via text :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts groans at the sight of SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Russia, who else?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iran? '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michigan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'USA or UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'before the Korean war?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, 1990s'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afaik they never had magnox-style reactors from the 50s'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one they're re-opening is a US design'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spearheaded by your old friend Donald Rumsfeld'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(spearheaded the supply, not the design, clearly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your source is "Alex Jones", though.. so be sure to wear a tin hat as you sift through it... not saying there isn't truth to it, but it's spinning faster than a cheap whore on a dance pole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology giant ABB won the deal tos upply North Korea with 2 nuclear power plants'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/archive/Rumsfeld_was_on_ABB_board_during_deal_with_North_Korea.html?cid=3176922'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swiss firm, swiss news site, the source was the firm themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'N.Korea had nuke plants befor we gave them anything in 1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that worked out okay for NK -- NK used the technology to produce nuclear weapons -- but did Rumsfeld get a noble peace prize yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is the current generation being used, vl'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is not the correct answer to your original question: [13 Apr 05:07:31] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you asked "... in the first place?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that some of the noble peace prizes are given out for "intent" and are later shown to be horrid incompetent decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mis-guided intent was that we would give them "peaceful" reactors in 1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The company itself is multinational based in Switzerland, formed out of Sweden and Switzerland, but the consortium that contracted them were Ameriacn, Japanese, South Korean and EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so yes, to say it was the USA is a simplfication, "The West", or "NATO stake holder" would be a more precise answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though to be fair, whenever i refer to USA, I don't really mean the USA as it used to exist or as refers to it's population, I refer to the military industrial complex and banking cartel management arm that runs it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but again... that was not n.Koreas first  reactor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the reactor series that generated the fissile material that have been used in their missile tests from then on'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but again (x3)... that was not n.Koreas first reactor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their first nuclear weapons test only started in 2006, so it is entirely fair to say that THESE reactors were the source of the fissile material that has been causing all the tensions'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point is therefore not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade notes that "it's" does not specify which series, -- Tigernuts is doing a "Chemosh" style obfuscation
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the answer to your original question IS NOT the US (or it's allies) '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade notes that "THESE" does not specify which series, -- Tigernuts is further obfuscating
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the russian reactors don't produce plutonium, either, so again, fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2010 the koreans staretd developing home grown light water reactors'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Tigerballs.... your original question didn't ask who gave them the ability to refine plutonium... it asked "who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, vl, i should have tied the context to the current crisis, which i assumed peopel would be sensible enough to do themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my fault ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Thankyou...  now I can say "giving them a 'peaceful' reactor was supremely STUPID!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the russians were doing loads with them in the 80s, but was largely a partnership - they still had control then'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'so were the Russians first?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Tigernuts too censored to venture explicitly the exact name of the suppliers of the reactors which eventually produced the raw materials for the NK nuclear weapons (without resorting to obscure pronouns)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ooh, I was right :-) '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FIRST first, nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, USSR, technically'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a partnership rather than a sale'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was why when the Soviet regime collapsed in 1991, the partnership ended, and the plants were mothballed/decomissioned'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more like "Hey N.Korea... let us field test our reactor over there.. free electricity!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically, vonliege, they were interested in training up North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really wasn't a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts obfuscation permited Vost to attempt to blame the parties that were likely not responsible for actually enabling the NK to obtain nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'buh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ignore him, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to blame Rumsfeld
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does remind me of Iraq - How do we know they have these weapons? Because we sold them to them. Woops, i mean, Ahem'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I didn't know that I was attempting to blame the parties that were likely not responsible'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to blame the Republicans
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the fault of the same people who are always to blame for this, the military industrial complex and banking cartels - follow the MONEY'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blame the UK ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those elements control the UK too, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the Chinese could absorb North Korea and not have it cause immense financial damage'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you propose we do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave them alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull US troops out of Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not up to me(us)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you propse WE do about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us? change our government'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the audience demands actual "names" -- not a McCarthy-look-alike waving a pronoun-riddled piece of mostly-blank paper stating "on this paper are the names of those responsible" (the "names" were "these" "those" "their" "they" "them" ...)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how do we change our government?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'revolt?  assasination?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'by writing paranoid rants on aard debate channel. duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'letter wirting campaigns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'support candidates that would follow a different foreign policy path'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there we are!  well said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ignoring Dagnir ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not enough to "swing the hammer".. you have to have a NAIL that you can hit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if this debate channel is an example of "debate", "you" are not going to do anything effective'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about it a start'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharing information is good, especially since so many people wouldn't even know where North Korea is, let alone what led to what's happening now'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are YOU going to do, Zade, other than criticise?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if (in the past) ABB and western nations did not supply any reactors to NK, is NK likely to be without nuclear weapons these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Now that is a good idea...Aquaponics......growing fish for food, and the waste that is produced by the fish feeds the vegetables grown which are also sold for food, and any leftovers are made into fertilizer for farms which makes more money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say "yes... probobly", BUT, they would have had to maintain MUCH friendlier alliances with others to do so, and thus, we would be in an entirely different situation right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as it stands, Chinia is dumping butt-tons of food and aid into  N.Korea.. they are likely NOT supplying them with war materials (or very much, anyway)...  N.Korea feels it has come by its nuclear capability independently (regardles of reality), so it doesn't feel inclined to give anyone else a say-so in how they use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aquaponics is likely to turn into a bad-farming technique, since the greedy (mental-retards) in charge of Agriculture business are likely to downplay and not supply the rare minerals that soil supplies, leading to foods that are nutrition deficient '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days, i avoid hydroponic-grown (hot-house?) vegetables, as those vegetables are likely o ne deficient in rare-minerals which the human-organism does require to stay healthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'hydroponics is not the same as hot-house'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not pay extra for that which is deficient in nutrition'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grow what I can, buy what I can't, and take vitamins in between'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but all hydroponics is usually hot-house -- and recently the hothouse tomatoes look slightly sick compared to soil-grown local-farm tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'done properly, aquaponics is great'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Centrum" (and most other vitamin-mineral copycat suppliers) dropped the Vanadium from the mineral list'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no idea, unless Vanadium is a "strategic" mineral used in strategic alloys'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost, possibly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a key element of S30V Stainless steel... very good stuff, and used widely in high end knives and medical equipment'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly a supply issue, China cornered the market on rare earth minerals/metals a few years back and banned exports, only more recently have non-chinese sources come online and are still small in number'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"done properly" disappears when there is a greedy profit motive'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then do it yourself, zade, and encourage others to do the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be playing with aquaponics when i move somewhere that has the space'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, Yogurt has a profit margin of 10-15% for manufacturers....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet, Yogurt seems overpriced  in supermarkets'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the profit margin on "milk" (which i avoid buying, since "milk" is a horrid overpriced food usually)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yogurt is well marketed, and appeals to a wide range of consumers who will pay.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to say it is "over priced" would be of questionable, since people generally stop buying when somehting is "over priced"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fools also buy bottled tap water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, milk is one of the most subsidized foods in the world, it would be much more expensive otherwise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. marketing can be an insidious thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bottled tap water is "overpriced" -- but if there are fools that insist of bottled tap water - ycch'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'milk is also considered a loss leader at most grocery stores....they lower the price of milk hoping that you buy more expensive stuff such as boxed cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"milk" does not last long -- goes bad rapidly -- yogurt lasts far longer '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider that in many places, the "bottled tap water" is better than the "local tap water", there is room for a marketing "cleave"... that is to say, a series of well places "suggestions" can REALLY sell the water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the bottled water suppliers sabotaging the local water, - if so, that is terrorism, especially with those "suggestions" to instill terror in the water consumer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think the HAVE to sabatage alot of the local water.. it's just isn't that good... or tastes bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or has addatives like clorine and florine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clean water is a REAL marvel when you consider the extent of supplying it to virtually EVERY home in most of the developed world... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sabotage may be occuring at the municipal or state or federal level -- where "bribes" prevent the actual tap water from being improved'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tap water, even it is less than PERFECT, is still VERY useable... it might kill you in 100 years, but my guess is that something else will get you first.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"additives"  "chlorine" != "Clorax" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that, local authorities pay millions a year to chemical companies to enable those same chemical companies to dump toxic waste products into the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't get any more bizarre than th at'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've drank PLENTY of clorax in my day.. we used to drop an entire gallon into a 500 gallon water buffalo to "purify" it.. took a bit of butt-squirting to adjust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think those toxins are dumped directly into the water supply.. they may find their way there, but the only way to get 100% pure water is to invent a time machine, or take civilization back to the pre-stone age... oh, and figure out a way to make EVERYTHING stop crapping.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, they are not dumping pure toxic waste into the waters, it is 'cleaned' or near clean toxic water.  It is illegal to dump untreated waste into water in Texas, and the Texas water authority tests all water sources 4x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "cholera" epidemics were in the "past" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we drive cars, we spray our hair, we enjoy modern medicine, we drink pop, we turn on the lights, we use cell phones....  we pollute.... so we put up with a few nitrates in our drinking water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Riz, if you have guys putting sodium hexofluroide, or hydrofluororicilic acid in the supply, then technically that -is- toxic waste'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'albeit at levels that aren't fatal'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the water pollution comes from land runoff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'flouride is good in city water, but not all water sources have flouride added....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flouride in water isn't necessary, period'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it is, it has reduce the amount of cavities in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoride only reduces cavities if applied topically, so it would be fairer to say "fluoridated TOOTHpaste reduces cavities in the US"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rare minerals in the diet prevent tooth decay'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all natural source water has fluoride in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naturally occuring, yes, not in the form of pollutants'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortbus Stutz has diamonds in his grill.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vitamin D, Ca, Mg, plus rare minerals in the diet, (with sufficient vitamins), prevent tooth decay'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of health, fluorine is a substitute for Iodine, so provided you get Iodine in your diet, you do not need fluorine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you drink water without getting it on your teeth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with you mudders on the internet in your parent's basement, you are getting plently of Iodine -- (the radioactive kind from Radon decay)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, yogurt.....all you need is yogurt...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a pharmacist stated that the ingested flouride is what (allegedly) hardens the teeth enamel (from the inside of the tooth(s))'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bifidus regularus'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'advertising hype'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yooooogurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add fluoride to all foods.....*nods to self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will eat fluoride!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much flouride in Agent-Orange'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agent orange is made from wheat ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'FLOURide'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I chew tobaco and eat ho-hos... I have bigger health concerns than trace pollutants in my water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my uncle loves his copenhagen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Danon makes yummy yogurt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until you get sick from a bad batch'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dannon even in the US, Danone in other places.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemy! there are no bad batches of yogurt!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good bacteria kills the bad bacteria, just like in Star Wars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'good bacteria flood out bad bacteria (allegedly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad bacteria insist on staying and seek to avoid being flooded out'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'tapeworms help you lose weight.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"tapeworms" were featured on "1001 ways to die"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chewing tobacco isn't so bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far healthier than smoking it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sigmund Freud contracted mouth cancer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, an amino acid was found in the dust of a comet....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the stuff of life'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'somewhere out in the cosmos, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'figure that out yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the amino acid was more likely from a contaminant introduced by the examination'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is enough ice on mars that if it melted, it would create an ocean covering the whole planet 80 feet deep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in other science-fiction news ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Rizgoth, are you sure that's accurate? I'm pretty sure i've read that the water ice on Mars constitues some percentage of the ice sheet over greenland, and the rest is CO2 ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '... Noah's Ark was spotted on Mars '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mars is an ice cube covered with a layer of dirt.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lots and lots of frozen water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok... but not all the way through, right?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'there are giant machines that can convert it part of it to breathable oxygen. i saw it in a movie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me it has a chocolate center... like a tootsie pop!  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, not all the way through :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it was all the way through, it would have more water then Earth does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... 'cause it's chocolate in the center... right?  huh?  right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bu where did the dirt come from that decided to collect mysteriously on the surface of the frozen water -- pixies!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.... other than the off chance that humans might one day plant a flag there... what does it matter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'space dust, and mars geological rocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suffice to say, Mars has enough resources to build a base there....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science doesn't always need a direct application. Sometimes it's just to fullfill curiosity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Mars is a chocolate centre, covered with icecream (the alleged water), and lightly sprinkled with pixie dust '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'getting dust on your ice cream sucks. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think we should spend alot of rescources to go to mars'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, zade is like the church....he causes dark ages in human civilization :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rome's implosion cause the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We need bases on the moon and mars if we are going to explore the rest of the solar system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we need to go to the moon first, and build a base there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sending a dozen people to the moon for a couple days is not going to cut it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think we need to figure out some things HERE befor we go THERE'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless scientists are able to explain how a complete dirt covering was deposited on ice -- sounds suspiciously sci-fi or a stale April 1st story'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You cannot wait until we have solved every problem on earth before you start doing scientific research.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have any issue with dirt on ice... what's so hard to believe about that?  I just don't care.  We have trouble enough to solve here'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the problems on earth will be solved once we are able to leave it and live elsewhere....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all comets are ice with dirt on them, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause then people will realize how precious the Earth is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then we can have brand new problems... like where our next breath of O2 is coming from'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'either that, or they'll nuke earth from space.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If everyone thought like you Von, we would have never left africa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'creating o2 is just a biological process...you have the necessary components, you can make o2.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that'd be my bet, Fawlty... today, it's east agains west, muslim against christian... tommorow, it will be mars against earth... it's human nature, and all the dirt covered ice balls in the galaxy won't change that'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the necessary components are O ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... TWO of 'em, in fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so some of you are content to believe in the big-bang model or that some deity created the universe because some scientists sci-fi or religious conjectures turned into official science'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's an element...since we don't know of any reliable nuclear reactions resulting in it, it is not created, merely chemically-separated from other elements (chemistry, not biology)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Getting enough oxygen isn't really a problem on earth right now. Or in the foreseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like I hate the people who talk about wasting water...no such thing...if I leave a hose running 24/7, it has zero impact on the amount of water existing...it's wasting energy, in the form of what it takes for water treatment, but not wasting water :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the latest scifi conjecture turning into official science is two parallel universes slowly vibrating into big-bang events when they touch each other'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zade... why don't you share something that is important to you.... so we can PISS on it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, for it to be science, we need empirical data (i.e. experiments).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why i don't share: your pissant attitude'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... we debate and discuss... while you just piss on everyting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you want agreeing debates '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just constructive oposition would be nice... instead of 24/7 piss'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you so ANGRY all the time... it concerns me'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, always negative...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's just not healthy... I suppose you don't have to be like that IRL, but still... it's worrysome'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've noticed that some of your opinions are defective, but i declined to comment .. maybe later'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I throw some real debatable stuff out there sometimes, but it's usually not angry... just obsurd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have a drink... pop a pill... smoke a joint - whatever... then come have a seat at the table, brother!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nova: Finding life beyond Earth is a good documentary made in 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'nothing like inebriation to encourage intellegent discourse in a debate. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will.. ."intelligence" IS of secondary concern here... honestly... we are sitting at a computer typing $hit into a text game.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "official science" views expreseed by science-parrots is almost as intolerant as the religious-nutters of some religions '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is no different then going to the TED conference to listen and partake in that discussions :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just a different medium that is used.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If it's just a game, and it doesn't matter why do you care what Zade types?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see there?  "science-parrots" and "relifious-nutters"... all hate and rage and anger... that could have been contributory if you'd just said science and religion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recognize that there is a real human behind every KB... everyone of them has a view, and opinion...  and some are just full of vitrol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and some are inebriated. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just LOVE to argue/debate... but it's no fun if it simply a conduit to hate and rage'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Passion!  certainly... but not hate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Maybe it's fun for Zade to be full of hate, and rage. Maybe "playing nice" would inhibit his ability to have fun. That's assuming he's full of hate, and rage. I dunno. Just debating about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a valid point.... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but IF he is playing at it simply to deny our enjoyment, then it's not playing.. that's real griefing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and comes back to real hate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Also a valid point. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are trolling, Vonliege -- and are likely very hostile to criticism of various views'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'everyone on debate is a troll imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. there's that "Trolling" word.. .you sling that around often enough to... as if saying "Trolling" is an auto-win....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm a weasel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege attempts to use sophistry in an attempt to spread hate and dissension -- interesting technique there though'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I sure do get hostile when I'm being critisised... EVERYONE does... but I don't let it spew out like black stomach acid.. I return to the issue and counter what ever it was that set me off.... that's DEBATE'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Have you ever read the wikipedia entry on trolling? It's awesome. I learned a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It seems that it might be a reference to fishing instead of the mythical troll (which i'd always assumed it to be.) Like, trolling a river with nets for fish.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... there's some yard work calling for me... I have to have a "debate" with some fire ant as to wether they will be spending the summer in my back yard'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'trawling'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege is in "denial" but is very critical and is spewing thinly disguised vitriol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Twyst: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trolling   <---- i refer you to the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the fishing term is trawling, not trolling.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Again, i refer you tothe dictionary. There are alternate spellings for the same word here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ad hominem is still a pretty crappy debate style'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty pets ropey twist of a vine.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but it works 90% of hte time'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are correct, although that would be reason #290840284298393 that English is a nonsensical language'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you are also correct, one more reason to love english. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is far suprior to other official planet earth languages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'superior'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you know them all?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've got to admit, though, next time i accuse someone of it, i'm going to say, "stop trawling, you trawl!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm speaking the language that God decided that i learn fluently -- so the English language is obviously superior '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggest a few other languages, and may i criticise them'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh, do french first!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom hates french
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'wait, i'm on your ignore list. someone else, tell zade to do french.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may -> maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how'd you get on his ignore list? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, you could prolly sell that info, that's valuable'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, french is a defective language'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'teach me master!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom boggles at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'not really sure, i said "snooky represents the human spirit" and whammo, ignored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'English is an amalgamation of quite of few languages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'french isn't defective, snooky is french and he epitomizes change and humanity'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'old french old german old latin or latin'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my least favorite thing about failing to learn to speak french was trying to remember the random sex of the items i was talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a big defect of the french language is the blatantly-sexpervert corruption of "possessive" pronouns etecetera (which do not convey as much accurate information as the English possessives)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I will give you that, English doesn't have sex'ed words'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but hominems and alternate spellings are ridiculous and inconsistent rules also'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another defect of the french language is the excessive usage of accents'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'homonyms :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USAmericans don't even bother to get some of the singular plural tenses of verbs to agree with the subject nouns -- they are simplifying the USAmerican english'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was waiting for someone to notice :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And no denomination other than the generic "american", which is very weird to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as for accents -- the USAmericans 'd likely get rid of all the accents were they rewriting the french dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and all those irregular french conjugation are annoying -- eliminate them to something simpler'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that the moon Europa has a 60 mile deep salty ocean, which would make that moon have more water then the Earth does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is good in that English is able to be simple and able to communicate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'English puts the onus on the listener to decipher what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'french puts the onus on the not-so-educated listener to misunderstand and not know what was actually said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is far simpler, yet also able to be extremely advanced'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I did not object to the object.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Saturn's rings are mostly water ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg meat eating American will eat 15 cows, 24 hogs, 900 chickens, and 12 sheep in his or her lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus 1000 lbs of assorted animals such as fish, deer, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since 1909, the amount of animal meat consumed per capita has doubled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the atkins diet works.....and the japanese diet works......one is low carb, the other is almost all carb......the thing they have the same....both removed most of the sugar from the diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'love me some sugary japanese fellows'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yikes, in San Antonio, a convenience store has a special....a 60 oz coke or pepsi, a snickers bar, and a grab bag of doritos for $1.29'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like san antonio to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i'd like one diabetus pls'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: '60 oz? ffs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they should invite bloomberg'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in San Antonio... damn yo, where I get that deal at?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's probably in one of those refill cups...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'on the way to the morgue onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel enthusiastically high-fives (Overlord) Onslaught!
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bah, I have the internal organ constitution of a shark'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously though... which convenience store? or you gonna make me google it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will not contribute to your fattyness!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Onslaught alot of the valeros near the airport hotels have crazy deals going on like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's fine cause I do enough contributing on my own'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... never mind... I don't go near the airport unless I'm getting on a plane'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I donated 2 bucks to some childrens hospital and they offered me a 64oz drink, a red bull (or 5hour energy) and a bag of beef jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I declined it all except for the 5 hour yummm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FDA is thinking of authorizing dairy producers to add aspartame to the milk and not need to put it on the label....if they did that...I would never buy milk in a store again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the fuck for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: '^'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, heard it on the news.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i mean just why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/omkara/2013/mar/13/aspartame-milk-proposal-sparks-consumer-outrage/'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the offered claim is this would replace sugar in flavored milk drinks.. however the rule itself would allow them to add it to ANY milk drink'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which would probably contribute to a more favored product over non-sweetened milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because marshmallow cereal just isn't enough I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame flavoured products taste chemical funny '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like splenda, but most companies use too much and it ends up being much too sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, I agree with that for sure'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know why they can't make a decent tasting cola that uses splenda that doesn't taste like poop'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'non one needs milk anyway. it's not even good for us, biologically speaking. Kids certainly don't need it for any sort of nutritional value'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My horny toad-mammalian hybrid milk flopped in this economy :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Prior to WWII, the avg american ate 16-20 grams of sugar per day.....1977 that increased to 38 grams per day, in 1994 it went to 54 grams per day, and today it is at 75 grams per day, or about 10% of calories consumed.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'need to define 'good for us', people have been adapting to milk-drinking for a fair amount of time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn riz, 16-20 grams is less suagr than in a bottle of coke'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as in it's meant for cows (cow milk anyway, which is primarily what we're talking about here), not people'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly people who aren't evolved to drink it shouldn't feel compelled to do so and neither should those who don't want to'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, and muscles are meant for an animal to walk around, not for people to eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fruits are meant for the plant to spread its seeds, not for people to eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone is lactose intolerant to a certain degree. Just because we've adapted to stomach it doesn't mean it's good for us'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame causes a hint to want to puke or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'claiming 'it's not meant for that' is rather ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good milk is good for you....it is a super food for a reason.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, fruit is meant to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just buy it from a good dairy co-op that makes cheese like Cabot !'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is tasty specifically so animals eat it and shit the seeds out elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic enthusiastically high-fives Rizgoth!
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes.. and there is also milk specifically made for humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it don't come from cows :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm human milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd heard about a human milk based ice cream being made somewhere in Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure if they're still producing...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They made some human cheese in france i think, but was outlawed due to health concerns and lack of regulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still doesn't mean it's 'bad for you' -- you sound like a peta advert :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people eating tasty animals peta ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Rizgoth's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'milk does bad things to the digestive track'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Milk is not anywhere close to being as bad for you as some of the things we consume'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you don't have to take my word for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ycch - human cows are not renowned for cleanliness -- too many bad habits and vices'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Human cows?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tract -- and for every study you can find saying it's 'bad for you' you can find another saying it's 'good for you''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nicotine and beer flavored human milk -- no thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'look, good wholesome milk is what made the US the strong country it became......reducing its consumption in favor of soda pop made a lot of people fat, and increased medical costs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well I don't think even the most rabid of anti-milk people would argue you should drink soda instead ... rather that you should drink water instead :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame and plastic bottles likely caused the obesity '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer Coca-cola (preferably in glass bottles, maybe in plastic bottles, never in aluminum cans) to milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I don't think there's any single thing that caused obesity to climb.  It was a variety of factors.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you cant get raw milk in your local area though, buy a good cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'e.g. more private car ownership (less walking)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more automation of tasks which used to be done manually, combined with an increasing move away from jobs which involved manual labor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'e.g. more automation (more people sitting at desks all day as opposed to physical labor)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha, jinx'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheese is a luxury item -- and a cheese addiction is exremely unhealthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Majic beat me to it.  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a cheese addiction is likely to result in bone difficulties'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But that said, I still think that High Fructos Corn Syrup as opposed to Sugar isn't a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'll agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general I prefer to eat things in a less processed form if available -- i.e. roast chicken instead of chicken nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'Isnt it pretty mjuch the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mmm, fructose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'what about eating too many chillis'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm overwieght (by a good 15 pounds) because I SIT and play this computer game too much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yeah.  AARDWolf is what's causing obesity!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose tastes far better than ordinary sugar'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto has been trying for years to get the FDA to allow them to change the name from HFCS to Corn Sugar......for some reason people think negatively against HFCS.....:p  And Monsanto has been doing those sugar is sugar commercials on tv and radio....really annoying.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, most people who sit and play here would be sitting and playing elsewhere '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure as hell contributes... along with cars, welfare, pop, KFC and probobly the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vacuum cleaners'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I remember reading a study once on the manual labor of housewives before electricity versus post'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is HFCS a GMO product ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ever tried using a washboard? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'll have to disagree on that.  When I do buy Coca-Cola, I always specifically buy Coke bottled in Mexico (because it uses real sugar) as opposed to US bottled Coke (HFCS).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'lol "and the democrats".  If only we let our poor people starve we could be thin like north korea!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dew throwback :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the only country that uses HFCS as its sugar for most foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It's a matter of taste, but I much prefer real sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is because the US govt put price controlls on sugar to make it more expensive then corn syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do the democrats have to do with poor people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That is because the US subsidizes corn while restricting sugar imports, so here is the only place where HFCS is cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '(Curses.  Rizgoth beat me to it)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'table sugar comes with a specific taste, as though there are other chemicals in table sugar (from the manufacturing process)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... funny you should mention Mexico and sugar... when I was in SWA, all the pop was sweetened with aspertame... even the non-diet stuff.  A can of regular pop had about 30 cal... they use it because it's CHEAPER there than real sugar OR corn syrup... it sucked, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sugar would be at least 50% cheaper in the US if they allowed more sugar imports from Brazil :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that taste was not there when i was a child'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya HATES aspertame.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... it's hard to be the fat kid in the room... It's even worse when you're the fat kid of the whole school... Can you IMAGINE being the only FAT KID in an entire Country?.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but sugar is also limited now because of ETHANOL in gasoline blend.....cheap brazilian sugar would undercut american corn growers for ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe they are putting aspartame in table sugar, and not telling the public)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... I'm refering to Kin the younger... the only FAT KID in all of N.Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for many centuries fatness was a sign of wealth :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '^Kim, that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now it's a sign of poverty'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Believe me, I would be able to tell.  I am ALWAYS able to tell when someone gives me a diet soft drink and claims it's regular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the NK like their deities to look fat like cherubs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'little buddahs....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course.. there ARE no dieties in communist NK.. but your point is taken'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You almost never hear about cellulosic ethanol anymore.....the corn growers have taken over.....even though cellulosic ethanol would be 20x more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Buddah isn't a diety.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is he worshiped?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though cellulosic ethanol would allow corn growers to have two crops with the corn.....sell the corn for food, and sell the stalks to make ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'emulated rather than worshipped, i'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In some ways, the Queen of England is "worshiped," but she isn't a deity either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine.. go split your hairs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'venerated'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ooooo, venerated, good one! :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the little ones make good paper weights, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'switchgrassa native North American perennial grass (Panicum virgatum) that often grows on the borders of cropland naturallyand proving that it can deliver more than five times more energy than it takes to grow it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'switchgrass ethanol delivers 540 percent of the energy used to produce it, compared with just roughly 25 percent more energy returned by corn-based ethanol according to the most optimistic studies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you agree that it's never been about "what works best?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn for food, not fuel!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only way your going to change anything is change the profitability'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'four legs good, two legs bad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they could turn the stalks into fuel instead, they would make more money then just selling the corn itself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then corn can be food again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the energy/sugar of a corn plant is on the grain/ears.  you don't make whisky from the stalks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is switchgrass able to be used to produce moonshine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could try.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but probably not, since you would need a way to extract the sugars from it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some folks will throw near anything in the mash bucket'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is switchgrass able to be used to feed humans -- "He's been eating  Puffed (Switch)Grass!  You can tell by the green mouth."  (no apologies to Stan Freberg )'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is pretty much only good for making well, nothing.....until a method to extract the sugars in it is made.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cows might eat it though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Bessy the cow approves of  Puffed Grass."'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but when that happens....pretty much anything will be able to be used to make cellulosic ethanol.....tree waste, grass, corn stalks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cellulosic ethanol is the holy grail of renewable fuels....then we can boost ethanol in vehicles to 50% or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the cost would drop like a rock.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'm listening to old 60s protest songs in the background as I play this game, and it's making me think about all the mobs I've killed, and all times I've died myself, and I'm wondering if all this killing and death and destruction is worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck yea it's worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Good News Week" by Hedgehoppers Anonymous ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Government kills children for oil and things, I kill children for TPs and QPs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom thinks noegel is deranged and unstable
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Flowers on the Wall" by the WonderWho (Stattler Brothers) -- not exactly a regular "protest" song'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how is it even remotely a protest song?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't see that as a protest song :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'm listening to Mary Travers performing the Fields of France.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now THAT'S a protest song :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"They're coming to take you away, ha ha" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and who calls The Statler Brothers the WonderWho?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'did you really believe them ... when they told you the cause ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ycch - Mary Travers - ycch '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Flowers on the Wall" came out by the "WonderWho" on the 45'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just not worth listening to if skiffles are not involved.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'skittles......mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not skittles, skiffles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'although, I guess it'd be quite impressive is someone managed a great song playing skittles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" by ThunderClap Newman, was a great protest song'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least until you learned where the saw debuted in some obscure Peter Sellers film '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mouse that roared!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least until you learned where the song debuted in some obscure Peter Sellers film - the group singing next to a sewer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'starring peter sellers, peter sellers, peter sellers, peter sellers, and peter sellers ... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like "Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Prisoner of Zenda?" ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Seagoons" or "Monty Python" -- which were funnier '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Seagoons" relied mostly on audio (with optional video).  "Monty Python" relied mostly on video (with some audio).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another protest song started: "Onward Christian soldiers!, duty's way is plain. Smite! your heathen neighbours, ..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'HFCS is Japan's revenge for nuking them in WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter Paul & Mary did a lot of songs in the 1960s -- suppose some of those songs were bemoaning something'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more all than some'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I met them once in 1986, they were friends with my next door neighbor when we lived in Redmond Washington.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were going to do a few songs at the puyallup state fair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the things I really regret is not seeing them live '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Electric Light Orchestra did "Signs" (protesting signs)- unsure whether that was late 1960s or later'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Peter Paul and Mary" looked and sounded good when they were young slim and all with head hair'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was "Mary Travers" of PP&M '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another great (wink) protest song was "My Generation" by "The Who". '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Rolling Stones also did protest songs: "Get Off My Cloud"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sucrose is evil.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'sucralose is where its at'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose is evil also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Glucose is fine though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose is more evil then Sucrose though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A 2009 study from University of California, Davis takes its place in a growing lineup of scientific studies demonstrating that consuming high-fructose corn syrup is the fastest way to trash your health. It is now known without a doubt that sugar in your food, in all it's myriad of forms, is taking a devastating toll.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Polar bear troubles?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fructose as such isn't terribly bad, the problem is simply that your body is designed to handle the moderate amounts of fructose you get in traditional fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM is a 90min speech from the main researcher of the study that was done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The polar bears moved up into the nearby mountains, since all the snow outside our house melted'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'polar bears can adapt, and if they dont...they can die out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poppycock'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've been eating sugar products a long while, in moderation, and with a diet supplemented by raw vegetables, and vitamin mineral supplements, and i rarely eat meat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe sugar is dangerous to excessive meat-eaters that rarely eat raw vegetables'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmm vegetables and meat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jay Leno (joke-)boasted that he never ate any raw vegetables  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Glucose also isn't dangerous in moderate amounts'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is not glucose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too high blood sugar will damage your blood vessels (endothelial wall thingies)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'very true'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they also follow different metabolic pathways'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i lost my metabolical pathways in 'nam'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God may become angry if the variety of species is thinned out too much'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I bet there are rather more species now than originally, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose doesnt activate the hunger hormone, that is the most insidious part of fructose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er deactivate :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'typing before thinking on that one. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of evolutionary work was put into the planet, and excess humans are becoming a nuisance'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In any kind of natural diet you only get limited amounts of fructose though - not like today when you eat a pound of HFCS every week :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'believe it is called ghrelin, fructose doesnt supress it, so you keep eating and eating, and getting more fat and fat...until your stomach blows up, or you run out of oreos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg american eats 140 lbs of sugar per year now. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er fructose and sucrose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of it is fructose though'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is believed that fructose is what causes the new ailment of metabolic syndrome....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the hunger hormone is not affected by fructose, then fructose is neutral, but the hunger hormone is affected by what comes along with that fructose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wouldn't know how to isolate the effects of excessive fructose, but since you overall eat more glucose and glucose leads to the blood sugar/insulin roller coaster with subsequent fat storage and hunger, I would expect that to be a more prominent cause'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the metabolism of glucose is pretty interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those in the "government" are known to be liars when there is an agenda to fool the populace in supporting some lobbyist-favored products'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sucrose of course is 50-50 frucotse and glucose, and hfcs is typically 55% fructose, then add in grains (glucose)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think if people knew more about how food provides energy for their body, they would be more selective in what they ate.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps it should be a required course in high school.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah... cause requiring stuff like history and math in high school make people such crack experts on those subjects, after all'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go back to your snickers and 60 oz coke, onny :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can't, told you I'm not going near the airport'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hell the gas alone would set me back the difference in price'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They do offer courses like that in high school'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people well some high schools do, and they aren't always required even then'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Called Health... but kids dont give two shits about health they are invincible, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clearly having a basic understanding of human nutrition etc. is more important than a number of topics currently included in your typical curriculum'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people won't choose healthy foods just because you tell them to'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Onslaught advocating that how to make crack be taught in schools'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in fact telling people what they SHOULD eat pretty much guarantees they'll refuse to do so'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at my high school they didnt have it, and health class had nothing to do with how food food is metabolized in your body....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They did at my school....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It was a mandatory class'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we had chemistry, but not biochemistry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Did six weeks on healthy eating and how food was utilized'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your personal experience doesn't dictate a universal outcome'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But kids don't give a shit and will still drink coke and eat cheetos'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'on the other hand I beleive that school should be stripped down to the absolute basics (learn to read, write, speak, do arithmetics, and probably some sports), and everything else should be up to the individual student'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USAmerican healh classes 101: "how to prepare Kellogs Corn Flakes in the morning" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course this was the late 80s, I have no idea about now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I graduated high school in 2006'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and by speak I mean public speaking/debates'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nah, you don't want to tell people what they should eat, just tell them "if you eat a, you'll be sick, tired and ugly, if you eat b you'll be healthy, fit and handsome"..'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no one will notice'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'won't work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'yeah doesnt work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we tell people not to smoke cause they'll die painfully'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the norwegian gov't had quite some success with casting smoking as being for unsexy losers'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The solution here is to specifically design healthy food to be as good-tasting and addictive as the bad stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, "people will do stupid things" isn't a very good reason to avoid telling them what is good for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anything else will not work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tinada, people tell us all the time what is good and bad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they still eat what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Usually good and bad isn't backed by science, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like, current US recommendations go back to senate deciding what is good for you after the entire mcgovern committee stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, as it turned out after I spent some time reading the actual nutrition research, everyone around me, including all physicians I know were clueless'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much did each of the food lobbyists pay to get their food products listed as "good"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Onslaught had it right.  People will eat HFCS until there is an equally delicious but healthier replacement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'don't forget cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or, alternatively, alter human biology to perceive healthy food as tasting equally as good as the unhealthy stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the physicians at least knew that high gi/gl diet -> blood sugar spikes -> insulin spikes -> additional fat storage in the short term and to insulin resistance, obesity, diabetes and so on in the long term, but none of them connected it to actual dietary recommendations :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I figure the other way around will be easier, but who knows'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's the solution! not GMO foods. rather, GMO humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'both really'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if they added rare minerals in extremely small amounts to HFCS -- but that is likely to cost extra and reduce profit'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there's a berry you can get which makes lemons taste like sweet candy... apparently tabasco sauce tastes like chocolate syrup'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course it still burns a hole in your stomach if you chug an entire bottle'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'gmo foods aren't much of a solution as long as 90% of them have the 'benefit' of being resistant to the active components of various herbi-/insecticides'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tabasco suce does not burn a hole in the stomach'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. can we at least agree it wouldn't be very good for you to do so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we need an alcohol that still can make you drunk, but doesnt have the adverse health affects.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unadulterated cayene peppers are healthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those people I have spent time talking to, and who have changed their diets, absolutely don't want to go back to sugar, grains, starches, but the conversion process requires a level of intellectual curiousity and flexibility that has mostly been trained out of humans these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'someone (I forget who) did make a liquor which tastes exactly like water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now THAT would be fun to experiment with'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the metabolism of alcohol is scary compared to glucose.....most of it goes right to the liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chugging simple Louisiana Hot Sauce usually cures indigestion -- at least used to, but some bacteria are becoming resistant to that cayenne pepper remedy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes well I wouldn't suggest anything people in Louisiana routinely do to be an inherently appropriate activity'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'up to and including chugging hot sauce'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Montezuma's revenge requires something hotter or more hygienic than Cayenne'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is even worse.....only the liver can metabolize fructose......so that must mean fructose is a poison.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I say this as someone who spent some years in New Orleans and surrounding areas'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth,. according to that defective logic: "if only the stomach may digest food, that means food is a poison"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was afk, but tinada, I agree a lot with your 'stripped down school' argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada jumps up onto a table and shrieks 'EEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'imo we shouldn't be trying to force everyone to do full college-prep curriculum just in order to get a damn high school diploma. '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to that defective logic: "if only the lungs may ingest air, that means air is a poison"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is the additional factor that if kids get to pick their own subjects half of the time, I suspect they will be more motivated, learn more, and any specific knowledge loss will be compensated by the greater overall knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, looking back, I realized that in subjects other than language and math you (a) didn't learn much and (b) new knowledge usually didn't build on previous knowledge, so anyone could catch up later with a moderate effort'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if children get to pick their own subjects ... recipe for a lot of inadequaely educated kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'How would that be different from today, exactly? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there would still have to be some sensible approval process for the choice of topics and difficulty levels'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i went to school, everybody took the same subjects except for one elective (with a limited choice)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, starting around 6th grade, no one wanted to go to school anymore? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, like in science, one year you do biology, one chemistry ... you can fail biology and do just fine in chemistry'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you can't (in most cases) fail algebra 1 and do just fine in algebra 2'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English, Physics, Chemistry, MathematicsI&II, and the choice of either French or BookKeeping'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's really the 'cumulative knowledge' subjects, which imo are foreign language, math, english, music, in which it's really hard to catch up. and some of those are a lot more important to other subjects -- english imo is most'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you go to a really small school, xyl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because the high school near me did have a very restrictive curriculum, but they also had one class per year which doesn't leave a lot of room for electives'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, the ability to offer different electives depends on the school (although much less so with online learning etc.) -- i think it'd be really awesome if even in the small schools, you could have the standard 'us history' class but someone who had a different social studies class could do it online, of course that would need to be restricted to the students well-behaved enough to use the computer lab independently without making assholes out of themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what good is studying "USA History" other than auditioning for "Are you dumber than a Fifth Grader"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what fawlty said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does any country NOT include the history of said country in that curriculum?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that logic didn't prevent the Financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'From what I've seen it doesn't seem to matter much. Those who study history will probably still repeat it, but with a better appreciation for irony.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i -did- put a question mark at the end of the statement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fair point'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i use -my- knowlege of history to alienate women at parties until better looking men walk by, and they walk away. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, my point was not specifically that 'we should teach us history' but rather 'us history is a standard high school class but it would be nice to let interested students take something else instead''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Human history = human nature, and both will bear out repetition no matter how much you study them and work to avoid it. Only way out is to stop being fully human... so we're dovetailing back to GM people again I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Onslaught, you should read this book if you're interested in human folly: http://www.amazon.com/March-Folly-Troy-Vietnam/dp/0345308239'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I super enjoyed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'll add it to my Kindle reading list, I'm familiar with it, but haven't read it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'though I suspect it backs me up a bit on my point '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, isomil 6 month old formula is 43 % corn syrup solids......wth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose is good for babies!d'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they dont want to end up like you zady :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh people used to make 'formula' out of canned condensed milk and corn syrup'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they are nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a freaking baby milkshake, not a formula'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also 10.5% sucrose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and breakfast cereal is a bowl of marshmallows and chocolate... or chocolate marshmallows... mmmm...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is ethanol, but without the buzz.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope -- fructose is safer than ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose does 8 of the 12 things that ethanol does to you....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth seems (slightly too) fanatical on "fructose" or "antifructose"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pot, kettle, analog? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose doesn't cause inebriation and impairment that ethonol does'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only difference between ethanol and fructose is how part of it is metabolized....the buzz comes from alcohol being metabolized partly in your brain....the rest is metabolized by your liver.....all the fructose is metabolized in your liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is basically the same.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glucose on the other hand is mostly metabolized by your cells, bacteria, and so on in your body.....and about 20% is metabolized in your liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a driver on fructose is more alert than a driver (drunk) on ethanol -- so basically not the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since fructose acts as calories, the fructose is converted to other things that the body is able to use'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"converted" and "metabolised" are not identical concepts, "metabolised" conotes several meanings: (say) "converted", "consumed"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is this debate still going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'first case of the new bird flu in beijing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is the people who are making the birds sick :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews is a flid'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews 'interview' technique. 1. Ask loaded questions, 2. Talk over the answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really dodgy case involving Feds sending Amnish people to 15 years in jail for beardcutting, when the jurisdiction was proved only because "the scissors used in the cutting were manufactured in a different state"'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.wnd.com/?p=412531'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'for what values of x will the expression be non-real: square root of x <0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imaginary numbers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that question doesn't make any sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as phrased.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'w - t - le < 0 for all values of w except civil servants and liberals on the gravy train'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Determine for what values of x each of the following  expressions will be non-real: a.) square root of x <0 b.) square root of x - 3 < 0 c.) square root of x squared + x < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'namely because dle/dx and dt/dx > dw/dx where x is time'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the x<0 is exactly how it's written in your textbook?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it would make sense if the '<0' weren't there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the hint says that "if expression = square root(inside expression) then it would be non-real for inside expression < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you should use parenthesis to show where square root symbol is in relation to anything else...for example, square roots are technically +/- values, so (square root of x) can be less than zero while being real, but the square root of an x < 0 cannot'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it is definitely true that sqrt (expression) is non-real for (expression)<0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so ... ignoring the phrasing ... the way to set these problems is to say 'where is sqrt (expression) non-real?' 'when (expression)<0.' 'how do I solve that?' 'oh, yeah, inequalities' :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://info.publicintelligence.net/DoD-CivilianLawEnforcement.pdf&chrome=true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, the sqrt(expression) would be non-real also if the expression is an imaginary number.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, but I truly doubt he's gotten to that stage'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but never the less, it's not enough to mention the sign of expression'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's nevertheless perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's such a thing as introducing a level of detail that a student's not ready for at a certain point -- this type of problem sounds like they've just introduced 'our friend i, the imaginary number', and while people are still trying to understand that, introducing square roots of imaginary numbers is a recipe for losing most of the class in confusion :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I never thought I was a good teacher'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well i got a.)x < 0 b.) x < 3 c.) -1 < x < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a and b are right, c is actually trickier'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'suppose x is negative. is x^2 positive or negative?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'positive'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'depends on if x is real or imaginary'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'negative has no meaning for imaginary numbers, elfeneri, as they are not a well-ordered set'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're damned sexy though'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'grissom: so even if x is negative, x^2 is positive. This means that you can take the square root of x^2 for any value of x.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'of course,  you are right'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Too many years ago I studied math I just realized'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now if only you'd go and teach yours and my government basic math, we might all end up better off'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and btw this is grade 11 maths just a fyi and i see majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'tigernuts can i gnore you for just a  while as this is quite important'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, you never need to ask permission to ignore people'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well it is not because i font like him it is only because i am being distracted by him'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't offend me, Grissom, you still need help?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'maybe a bit later i am getting the stuff now maybe you can help me with english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my worst subject'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wait tigernuts struggled with English that is impossible'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a tendancy to words out'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well my first langauge is afrikaans but i choose Eng first langauge because i understand stuff better in english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'solve for x: 9x^2 = 4x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what do you think you might do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only an embecile wouldn't think to divide by x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro :)
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Grissom, one solution for that one is trivial. And I guess you see that one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well i can get the 9 and 4 into their squares'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dividing by x is actually the wrong choice, thank you for illuminating that. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gris: the squares are a red herring here -- you have an x^2 on one side and an x on the other side. If it were 9x^2=4, you could use square root property, but as it is, you can't. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'umm just deevyde by X sir'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you should use factoring, which means you need everything on one side.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'factoring is chumpish, take the square root of the left side and divide the right side by x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would x=0 not be a solution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'then you remove one solution to the equation Kojiro:'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and ignore kojiro, he's trolling today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'grissom: you chose the wrong player to ignore ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i didnt ignore tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is, hans, but there are two'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how would you solve for ^?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sorry i just needed a break and a laugh from this partnership tax return'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'x = 4/9'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not in the 1%, now pay your goddammed taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hey guys, if i contribute a portfolio with built-in loss securities which fails the diversification test, does the pship take a carryover basis?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sadly I am'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gris, and the other answer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're in the 1%, pay my taxes too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the 1% don't pay anyones taxes, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxation is for the working poor'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I probably already do, since half of wage earners pay no taxes due to tax credits, many of which are refundable so they pay negative taxes even before wealth transfers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I can't wait to move to puerto rico and fuck you all with my tax-free capital gains until 2035'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'x = -4/9?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lolz'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they've done studies, and something like 6% of people think they're in the 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'wrong sign unfortunately, and only one of the solutions out of two.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'put -4/9 into the equation and you get -16/9 = 16/9, so that tells you it's wrong -- you're guessing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'grissom imagine if you get it right the first (next) time, you get a TP'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your next step should have been -4x on both sides of the equation -- then you get 9x^2-4x = 0. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, the top 1% pay ONE THIRD of money to the nations treasury'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'theyn you'll stop dicking around w/ guesses and you will check them into the equation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone already got the second solution, so technically he'd be out of the running for the tp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's misleading, Vonliege, they only pay 1/3 of INCOME tax to the nations treasury, which in itself makes up less than 1/3 of all taxation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's still more than you pay'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where does the UK get money outside of the income tax??!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tarrifs'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it makes up 30% of all income taxation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sales tax, excise tax, tarrifs, capital gains/estate taxes, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because the colonys just ain't putting out like they used to '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'interesting that it's so different than the US.  vst vst amount of govt dollars in are income tax related'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's more than i pay, but it's significantly less as a proportion of income than i pay, and since most made all that money through off monopolies and theft, i don't really have any sympathy for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oohhh. VAT'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I forgot, i used to live there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish we had a VAT.  I don't buy useless shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you buy anything at all, Kojiro?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm young so I prefer to save.  the FV of consumption is too high.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VAT applies to just about every good and service'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just luxuries'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'back to work so I can pile up more quest points... i mean dollars'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so if you're a 1%er, why don't you have bonjour's stats?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because chances are he will get purged. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real 1%ers are outlaws.  And like a jew they are forced to wear a patch identifying who they are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure about UK, but in germany and itally, VAT on non-essencial items (no food, cloths or heating fuel) is about HALF of everyting else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, because even though the money to get bonjour's stats would mean little to me, the stats would mean even less'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does VAT = US sales tax, or is it more like property taxe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a national sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the future value of bonjour's stats is zero both in terms of dollars and entertainment value.  the future value of the donation is millions to research'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VAT = Value Added Tax... which is just a fancy way of saying SUPER SALES TAX'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's probably a good thing we don't have a US VAT.  simply too easy of a lever for govt to pull'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I for one am all for VAT... IF it reduces income tax.  Give it to the Dems, though, and they would consider it IN ADDITION to current income tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where is the party for social liberty AND economic liberty??  So weird we have one or the other in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because then, the alternative to saving money is spending money AND giving money to the GOV..  will make it easier to save'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'income tax would be fine if they removed all the deductions......then the % could be lowered. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'income tax needs a major overhaul.  the partnership tax code is a tax shelter grand station.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we could transfer about 80% of the IRS employees to the US wildlife admin....let them clean up the parks instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course you have to be rich to access the pship tax code'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm for EQUAL taxation... I pay $10,000... Donald Trump pays $10,000... and that bum smoking weed on his front porch all day pays $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what if you only make $15k before tax?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... are you on crack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the difference would be though....you would be paying $1 million and trump $1 million, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you don't have alot left over for weed... better grow your own'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'IRS needs MORE employees!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you wouldnt be able to afford it :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VAT is super sales tax, there's a handful of things that don't count, and you do need to make taxation as simple as possible, ditch all the exclusions, all the tax free allowances, all the credits, just start with a nice low 10% rate from 0-$20k, 20% from 20k-100k and 30% for 100k+'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are way begind on enforcing the damn laws.  only in past few years w/ computers do they have basis reported and non-taxed health care bennies on the W-2'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ex-IRS employees would do wonders for organizational operation of the Parks service, but I really don't want those fiends being in charge of conservation efforts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have to be trolling. Nobody could really believe something so ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flat tax doesnt actually work if you think about it.   It wouldnt raise enough income, and it would hurt poor people a lot more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need a tax code.  we also need it enforced by intelligent people.  the irs is way understaffed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i pay my 35%, go get the fuckers who don't report offshore wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you guys pay tax at source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. it's that "Poor People" mentality that gets under my skin... since when do "Poor People" get to live as well as "middle class people"... they're POOR PEOPLE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a simpler scaled tax with no deductions would be better.....we could probably cut the overall tax rates by at least 40%'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I would rather be a theoretical physicist than an IRS employee.  The numbers would be much more manageable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know plenty of poor people and they do not live like middle class do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'riz, a politically more feasible idea might be minimum rates on AGI over thresholds, regardless of character'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'riz, did they sign up for their obama phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, our company provides a cell phone to all employees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he gave us a phone, he's gonna do more (like piss up the healthcare system)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it warms my heart to see the indigents receiving free smart phones on my family's dime.  that way they can always be in touch w/ their drug dealers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea tiger, i know a dozen people who work retail that went from 40 to 30 or less hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'solely due to obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are hard working poor people out there who just can't seem to catch a break... I'll grant that.  but MOST poor people are POOR because they're LAZY'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but if you're a sack of shit don't worry, you'll get more medicaid now'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'God gave man free will and many poor people will themselves to poverty'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody said it was easy, but in america it's possible.  in other countries in the world, if you're poor, it's impossible to move up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a group of people living near my mother. it's an older couple, 3 kids (all male), one's girlfriend, one's uncle, some kids, etc. -- overall there's about a dozen people there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only one that works is the older woman -- the others have all had part-time jobs off and on ... but they get fired after a few months for one too many 'went to a party and didn't show up the next day''
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they probably sell obama phones on ebay'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The trucking industry in the US needs about 100,000 new drivers......in the next 10 years it will need 200,000 more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why work when food stamps and welfare is such a better deal, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can safely announce voliege that i'm poor due to mismanagement of the country, not because i'm lazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can't be bothered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'alright back to taxes :('
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think grissom gave up on the math problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he's probably campaigning or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'possibly so'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the oil and gas industry will be the largest provider of new trucking jobs in the next 50 years, with regional direct runs for retail being 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or he figured it out'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'thinking it will magically come to him on the third campaign'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if he figured it out he's rude for not thanking majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i am still busy but moved on to the next sums'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and thanks to everyone else who helped me'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Tiger.. you are on this mud ALL THE TIME!  Go earn some money!  rake yards - clean chickens - pick up scrap metal!  And for GOD SAKE!  don't waste money on computers and internet time'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how do you clean a chicken?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no yards, chickens or scrap metal in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EMIGRATE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he cant afford to emigrate, the coyotes do not deliver over the atlantic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you realise i'm 5hrs ahead of you, it's bedtime here'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have time to sit at the computer, you have time to earm SOME money'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Vonliege on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it only the Mexicans who are called coyotes?  Because illegal orientals are also a major issue and we don't share any overland borders with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hove to sit out for a little... I really wanted to follow this conversation, but I have to take my target down and scoot for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese shanghai people, ship them to other countries and then force them to make clothes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well that is my maths (mostly) finished thanks guys and now for the English (RUNNING AWAY)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US ship captains used to shanghai people quite a bit in San Francisco.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'especially the second half of the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would go to a saloon, get drunk....and end up on a boat heading to Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'btw, vl, the issue in this country is cost of living, not wages, it was never about working harder. Aspiration is dead because of socialism , crony capitalism, and epic incompetance in government over a very long period'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the cylons are whooping the fleet, and the Enterprise-D to the rescue!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'riz.. from SF.. wouldn't that be west? =p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Big Democratic donors are setting their sights on TExas amid expectations that it will be up for grabs as early as the 2016 US presidential election due to rapidly changing demographics'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4880fbfe-a4e5-11e2-8777-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QTaLsiyc'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'they should come to arizona. it'll be a cheaper and faster date'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(basically Democrats allowing huge amounts of Mexicans in with the idea of them voting Democrat)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been taking lessons from Hugo Chavez, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no kidding. I remember last time I crossed the border from Mexico back into Texas. Border patrol guy asked me if I intended to vote Democrat or Republican and hinted I could just turn myself around if it was the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Texas falls, that's game over then, really'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'could always secede'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't work if it's already been taken over'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we'd have to do it by force'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and perform genocide on the mexicans of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What border patrol agent would say vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and liberals, no problem though since they don't believe in guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you're open to rational debate, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously all of them Noegel'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My whole station votes conservative generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Republican woot'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure sure, that's what you say for public consumption'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but we know the truth'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK borders stopped bothering to record people leaving the country for a number of years, so we didn't even know how many illegals we had'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Dems allowing huge amounts of mexicans in so they vote for em'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There are sooo many people comingn in its insane'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all that bullshit about tightened border security and higher levels of deportation.. just propaganda for NPR'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and was born here'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously I know everything almost by default'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either of you'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So what Onslaught is telling us, is that he didn't go to school in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'born in texas and anti-2nd ammendment? baffling'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Daloran person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not anti-second amendment. I thought we already discussed that last time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hire a 12 year old novice programmer to simplify our alien processing software (e3).  It takes, on average, 1-5 hours to process EACH alien.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, nothing was discussed, just some mud thrown'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually I remember clearly you making the same assumption then'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That way, more agents can actually be in the field catching aliens, not typing away at the station'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I explained otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just close the border to anyone without a visa, noegel, or is that too difficult?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so continuing to do so makes you either an intentional liar, or incapable of comprehending basic sentence structure'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because people cross around the Ports, Tigernuts...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Border Patrol are agents to catch unlawful border crossers..  Customs are the men and women at the ports of entry'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i remember all you were doing during the gun debate was deliberately misinterpreting everything that was said in an attempt to sound like Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Then I submit option 3: your memory sucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since we've cleared it up that you're pro-2nd ammendment, that's all good'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'll let you decide which applies to you'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's no in question :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am out y'all'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'See ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada waves goodbye to Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not to me Tinada!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel waves goodbye to Grissom.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always rely on the Guardian to come up with a hitpiece that misses the point: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/12/christian-fundamentalism-ron-paul-homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22142466 - a shooting in the UK, clearly made up by the BBC since gun violence doesn't occur where guns are banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is well known. Criminals would never break gun laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I helped set that up, it is a hoax by the government'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're obviously feeling a little 'angst', moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angst!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I cloned my donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm only in this if moonpies shows up'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I replicated myself in a lot of your donkies.  This is why they are sickly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hey guys'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what you want to debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Oh boy. I sense a completely rational and considered debate in the offing!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just aborted my baby with my fist.  Abortion is ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'on the gossip channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but only when using your own fist'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shit nuggets... I used the Fist of Fury from Superman'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dont agree or disagree i just think people should have a choice'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, chicken mcnuggets have no sugar added......still franken meat, but no added corn sugar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women in the workplace, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DBL, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that makes me feel better about using honey as a dipping sauce Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my biggest gripe is that women won't get over the fact that something isn't fair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thanks!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'lol so true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I came up in a military under transition... '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women were allowed to fly COMBAT helicopters....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'sounds like fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT.. when the gate was opened... they tossed aside BETTER qualified men to make room for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not so good'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so often is the case that when a man succeeds where a woman does not.. the waoman claims it is because she is a woman... not because she is worthless'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when men started cooking the meals in the army...did they push aside better female cooks ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was never the case, Riz... went from blacks to whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but in away it was to demonstrate progress so in the end it was probably a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not momen to men'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... we lost ALOT of excellent MEN pilots in the proccess... and people have died because of ti'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i beleive men were originally the cooks'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt it take a certain amount of strength to be a good helicopter pilot, as well as good hand eye coordination ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or foot hand eye coordination'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '4 of the original 9 female COMBAT pilots have crashed their helicopters and killed their crews... they were NOT qualified'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok well think think about this if they didn't do it it could have led to female protesting the lack of female soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with women in the front lines......just dont replace better pilots with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military is NOT the place for protests, feelings, or even EQUALITY for that matter... it's a place to shut up and do what you are told'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless they are better of course :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'and possibly could have become a violent mob if the gov't handled it wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give em a gun and put em on guard duty for caravans......equal opportunity soldiers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the gates opened, there was about 4 years of GROSS over compensation.. the only qualifying trait for getting into apachees was that you needed to have a vagina...  if you had a penis, you had to work your ass off to get in'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i agree but for the sake of societal progress and growth of the american dream it may have been worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Same thing here Vonliege.  It is SO easy for a woman to promote in the border patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the same thing they are seeing with gays now... being gay is an automatic promotion... over compensation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does the american dream have to do with the best military force we can get ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't because I don't want to be stuck behind a desk.  Plus, the SBPAs look so angry and grumpy'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it has to do with equality'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it worth it to the men who get tossed in the trash to make way for a woman... not because whe is qualified, but simply because whe is a woman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, but I wont agree to redesign submarines, just so that women can serve on them.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can go serve on an aircraft carrier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i get tossed in the trash all the time (literally) but i dont care i shove my feelings down and lock them with a key and suck it up'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what the hell IS the deal with womens history month?  do women need the federal government to establish a MONTH just for them to ensure they have worth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah the month thing is stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hate womens history month.  I always get asked to take a week off to go talk to schools'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'they should at least have Women's Month in February, where it's only 28 days'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im still in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'grin'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bathrooms.... the first 10 years of my military career, when I was in the woods, I crapped in the woods... now that women are in the woods with us, they have to get bussed to town twice a day to crap in a toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't do that, feb is black history month.. I mean talk about a shitstorm'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohgoon: 'no pun intended'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'pfft to women if they can't poop in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no portable toilets?  ie a plastic bag and a bush ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Why dont they put toilet paper in their packs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well they CAN'T'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dig a hole when i camp'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'maybe stupid ones can't :p I've been camping'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'I know how this shit rolls'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'no pun intended, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'literally'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women (as a group) can not crap in the woods... there was a SHIT storm of harasment suits when they first came to the woods with the men... "they made me crap in the woods"... now they get a bus to the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I've done my business in the brush no problem... most agents carry a tp roll for those um sticky situations'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no portable bidets ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'bidets?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'What ply?  Were you roughing it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... it's called a wet-wipe'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol whatever I have at home'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a river.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that as a group... women are women's worst enemy... and they need to fix them selves rather than have the government legislate equality'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok i once peed on a squirrel once when i was in canada camping with a group for 7 days straight canoeing down the lakes and we had a few women with us they did fine without toilet paper'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure they did... but the 100,000 odd women in the US military can NOT crap in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't make them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So dumb'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the CO can't tell them to because he said so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there is not "toilet plan"... the women stay on the couch while the men go and rough it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im guessing they broke their nails on a bush or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'I hate when I break my nails on my bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the CO CAN NOT tell them to crap in the woods... he'she would have a very short career'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My god.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'ok ok I'll quit now :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and showers....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'damn thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the old days, our idea of a shower was the golden retriever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day (25 years ago), we would go on a two week trip to the woods and not have the luxury of a shower once... women - BY REGULATION - have to be afforded a shower EVERY day'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a hygene issue... believe me.. a unwashed woman smells ALOT worse than an unwashed man'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'lol on my trip to canada my only shower was a waterfall'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a legitamate biological reason why women need showers, and men can do without'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i thought you were arguing the opposite point'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I stated that to make the point that women are not physically suited to the same roles as men'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever had a really good yeast infection?  I have not, but I understand that it's a bitch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok but for some things their just as good and no'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the internet has proven that women can pee standing up just as well as men can.  If they can do that, they can do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for some things - absolutly'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'intelectually equal - rationally equal....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'woah your wrong there men are much more rational'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we (men and women) have different plumbing, and no amount of "women's months" and legislation is going to change that fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the only thing different as far as the plumbing goes is the lack of a prostate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rational may be wired a bit different, but I've foind women to be more than capable of getting to the "'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rational may be wired a bit different, but I've foind women to be more than capable of getting to the "right" place in the end'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'women are better at multitasking, men are better at visualizing 3D space...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'problem solving - again.. wired a bit different, but no better or worse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'that's why women are amazing marksmen, but men are far better pilots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when it comes to the snap-pop-and bang of flying a gun ship, and misting cars full of people... women don't got the right wiring'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is all generally speaking.  I think people should just look at the qualifications and aptitude scores and not even care about sex or race.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hold up i am much more rational than anyone i have met probably because i ignore my emotional responses but every guy i have met is much more rattional than my mom or sister'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Most people think they are the most rational.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taking your parting shots now... standing down'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'my father isn't rational and he knows it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hey vonliege how'd you come up with your name'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was the boss at the end of a zone on the Medievia Mud that I played 10-years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you guys think about obama'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's kind of a complicated question to answer. i think he's a mixed bag.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'finnally somone who doesnt hate him because of the way the economy is'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he makes good moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i think one of the reasons it's good for people to have one leader is because we can make a scape goat of him. our systemic economic problems go back to, at least, world war II.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'or her, i guess, assuming the US would actually elect a woman.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'disagree our problems stem from bailing out japan and germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'but not bailing out japan and germany would have created a situation similar to the situation in europe after world war I, and potentially created an envionment for world war three in 30 years after the end of the conflict in 1945.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'so that's a mixed bag too ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i know im saying thats where they stem not that i disagree with the decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you can also argue that the new deal failed, and without the masssive amount of military spending created by world war II the US economy would have collapsed at the end of the 1930's, and only the continuation of that massive level of military spending has allowed our econmy to continue floating along.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i would say that the military spending was...useful but we need to get out of this rut and stop outsourcing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'one way or another that will happen. we will eventually expend our fossil fuel resources. then, the cost of shipping will outgrow the cost of local labor, and jobs will return.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'us is stepping away from fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like a fat man stopping at four burgers is on a diet, i suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'are you kidding have you seen the effort to reduce energy expending this year alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'm not kidding, no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US oil imports are at a 20 year low....down to 42% now of oil used.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'compare the united state's annual fossil fuel consumption per capita to most other industrialized nations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'we are reducing it every year because it is becoming scarce and we are not idiots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2011, the U.S. relied on imports for 44.8 percent of its petroleum consumption, down from 60.3 percent in 2005,'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and, eventually, it will become expensive enough that outsourcing will no longer be economically viable. then, outsourcing of manufacturing jobs will become obsolete.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years, we will only be importing oil from Canada and Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe 10 years, we shall see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but we outsource our jobs because its cheaper and buying our oil from the middle east makes more money than producing it ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I outsource border patrol agents to the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'imsure you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we export jobs because energy has been historically expensive in the US for the last 30 years....That is changing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which cheap natgas, lots of manufacturers are coming back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but it will always be cheaper in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er with'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'incomes are rising in China, as is the cost of transportation because they dont have cheap US oil to transport that stuff from china to the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and american workers are 4x more efficient compared to chinese workers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You watch, in a few years, there will be tons of manufacturing jobs back in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but we dont import oil from china and there are more of them so they by pure numbers they are more productive/i hope thats true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how many do you think will berobots?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohgoon: 'but american workers need to be paid more'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some rbots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'robots are illegal on aardwolf, i think that includes using them in debates. not sure. can we get a ruling on that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Fawlty.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'whats wrong with fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'where to being? :('
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'begin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was injecting Aardwolf into real life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ooohhh i get it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'clever'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooh im late here it goes'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Moonpies.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what you dont like moonpies'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on debate, we don't really care if you make serious arguments or not, but we do expect you to stay on topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SQUIRREL!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i was until you guys joined in'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sqirrels need to be shot in the ass with a dartgun.  Really pin the tail on those donkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't people who become american citizens have to speak english ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'they just have to pretend to'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cubans don't.  They just have to manage to get to shore before the Coast Guard picks them up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'query: how does one "pretend" to speak a foreign language?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Hanslanda person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just enough to pass the citizenship test'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Get busloads of cubans with their NTA papers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we should expand the test then.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how many high school class subjects did you have to take but ended up not using?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then what you mean is they don't need to be fluent in english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you know enough to pass the citizenship test, you do indeed know english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently if you are 50 years or older, you are exempt from the english requirment to become a citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe that's what it is rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you are 65 and older, you don't need a birth certificate to renew your CCW permit in MO.  We've got another Nixon scandal brewing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, Iran invented the time machine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i wish is it called the tardis'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more like a reverse-time machine, bringing the future to you instead of letting you go to the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'interesting so instead of ripping a hole in the fabric of time to bring something small forward you bring something large backwards'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ooh!  The US (Davis, CA) is offering made-to-order embryos at $9800 a pop.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sweet. Bacon and cheese on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in 2007, a clinic in Texas was offering the same thing.  There are no laws against this in 47 states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why should there be a law against it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's the definition of made-to-order?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the made-to-order part doesn't involve gene manipulation, except for whatever it takes to combine the egg and sperm to create an embryo.  You cannot buy the perfect blue-eyed, blonde-haired wonderchild, but you can buy prescreened egg and sperm contributions.  So, like, if Angelina Jolie and Zac Effron both got it into their heads to donate their reproductive cells, you could buy an embryo made from those to have a baby untouched by the fucked-up genetics of you and your lovebunny.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fair enough. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Encephalitis lethargica'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you saying if youre not blond w/blue eyes you have fucked up genetics? nice'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm saying you can't tailor your kid so finely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I just don't see what the wigging out is about. It's no different than picking a sperm donor ... really.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And there are people I'd MUCH rather get an egg from than Angelina'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's zero genetic relation to the parents, though.  Both sperm and the egg would come from someone else, rather than mom and/or dad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, like adoption ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'would still form the same bonds through carrying the child prob'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and you'd still mess it up psychologically no matter how good the genes are'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are already infertile couples who conceive with donor embryos ... what's the real difference?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these made-to-orders would be the first ones made expressly for sale.  Like designer babies without the "evil" GMO stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think they should be given away for free?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'seems to me that a service is being provided so payment is in order.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Sabertooth: 'i would like to debate the standing of demoralizing niknames in the workplace'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Sabertooth: '.....thats as far as i have goten so far...i dident expect a reply :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm,the top hedge fund earner made $2.2 billion in 2012......and was taxed at 15% :p  the tax on capital gains.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but he also gae $280 million to charity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gave even'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got no problem with the CG tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got no problem with the rich'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody reported that the tax on the Facebook earnings were higher than 15%'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rich are the best stewards of the money... they can use it to make more money, and pay 15%... gove that money to the masses, and they'd piss it away on wide screen TVs'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so your advice is: don't buy wide screen TVs, as that is pissing'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty much.  they just facilitate more ass-sitting'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that they better stop manufacturing those pissant wide screen TVs'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, zucks wasnt a capital gain....his was considered real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so he ended up paying $1.1 billion in tax in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's 1.0999999999999999 billion more than any of us paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'speak for yourself :('
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure that a volatile estimation of transient value is "income"'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restate, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is was 2billion earned an "income" if not a capital gains somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so none of us paid more than $0.0000001 dollars?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lousy accounting'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you completely miss the point'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me restate... none of us paid any where NEAR 1.1 billion dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, stock option income is considered real income, not a capital gain, cause the options are given to you at a much lower price then the actual value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stated that none of us even paid a penny in taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people who fail at math shouldn't be discussing tax structures ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you pay the income tax on them when you call the option, ie pay for the reduced price...and pay the tax on the profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he bought millions of shares on the day the stock was opened via stock options from facebook for 6 cents each and sold them for much much more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making it real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the value of Facebook is based upon somebody's estimate of "value" which seems to be what "capital gains" are mostly composed of: estimations (especially when converted to paper cash)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he saved quite a bit of money doing it in 2012 though....the top rate of income tax went up this year to 39.6 from 35%'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have just renounced like his partner Eduardo and saved a lot more'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, eduardo was charged an exit fee to move his wealth offshore.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the real tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gotta love the IRS though, worldwide taxation is pretty bogus'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but he didnt sell all his shares and leave the country....that would be stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he only sold what he needed to sell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor had he been living in the US in a hella long time'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he wasn't born here, wasn't raised here, and didn't renounce for the FB opening'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a one-time huge buying-and-selling of shares looks like capital gains, not "income" -- seems he fell into an "interpretation" trap somewhere '
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he only came here to go to school....'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stock options used to be considered a capital gain....the IRS changed the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but leaving stock options as capital gains leaves the door open for abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capital gains are supposed to incentivize investing into the economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since stock options expire, and the buyer can't sit on them overlong'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and stock options are giving for free....if they paid for them up front it would be a capital gain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stock options as a part of a pay package are considered real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'stocks options entail no risk though'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so pay a dollar for the upfront stock options'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is risking a whole dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still doesnt work that way...the IRS saw through that loophole and closed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to be based on the real value of the stock options.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about buying and selling those stock options from the Caymans'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most companies now just give you stock options based on the current value of the stock.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you get 5 years to redeem them and pay for them, or they expire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'running Facebook from another country where the tax rate was lower than 15% may've been cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to stop worrying about income taxes so much and worry about making the money first. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that he has $20 billion, he can hire accountants to worry about taxes for him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '20 billion -- somebody overpaid'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US Supreme Court is debating over the allowing of patents of human genes now.  The ramifications of a judgement in favor of patenting of genes will affect everyone.  Companies already are filing patents on mutations of genes, and not sharing research of such things, plus companies charge extremely high costs for relatively low cost tests for things like cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your supreme court is doing a great job of making itself look incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with gene patents, passing obamacare as constitutional when clearly it isn't, and most recently, refusing to answer a case that calls the NY gun ban unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well do away with them and put Mr Obama there in a seat rubberstamping his own decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign a petition to repeal the 1st ammendment! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which is the best browser for watching youtube -- they are suggesying i upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firefox'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get pretty sick of "trauma" coverage in the news... this will be bent right, left, turned inside out, disassembled, reassembled... on and on and on and on'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most definitely.  They're far beyond onesie-twosie stuff like this.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then the debate on what to do over it... do we ban foot racing now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do we ban outside public assembly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and of course, the race itself will be renamed the BobTomDickFredJaneSallyJamesJohnJaniceEveryOneEsleWhoGotABooBoo memorial race'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we ban spectators.  Just think of all the damage that could be done in a stadium or in The Masters crowds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and grief councilors are FLOCKING to Boston as we speak to make money off the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surround the players with all kinds of fancy electronics devices and other things you can hide a bomb in, while everyone who's just there to watch can pay for internet access.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and of course... Nike will have to release a fresh line of fragmentation running apparel which will become compulsory'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Air Minesweepers'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for the low, low price of $200 a shoe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Nike, did you hear about the latest release from them?  A pair of sneakers that cost a paycheck to get.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'foolish... but if no one were to buy them, they wouldn't have made them'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I noted several pair of $400 plus shoes being worn by "free lunch" kids in my kids school last week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably nicked them, vl'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bombs were undoubtedly bottles of Dr Pepper that had been shaken up violently'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Three liters no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those aren't lethal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shit.. .even *I* wait at least 1 day before making jokes like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you kidding? there are prizes awarded for the quickest joke to make it to viral'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to modern society'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mentos: The widow maker!'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'What kind of prize did you win for having the least amount of tact so far measured in a human being?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't win'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people deal with news like that in different ways, some grieve, some get angry, some get morose, other bury their heads in the sand, others try to find humour'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 36 million tons of carrots were grown in 2012.....half by China.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do you think people carrot all? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a lot of happy chinese donkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We've got a carrot gap with China. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best tax rabbits then'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, Riz is just one man...he can't be everywhere at once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not so sure of that'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the original carrot came from Iran.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Medicine Man is a good film.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is Team America'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Team America was better than Baseketball, at least.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Team America is one of those films that, if you didn't find it funny, you need to continue the medication you're on'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humor does not equate to quality, however.  An awful film can still be funny, and a great comedy can be not particularly funny.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'raunchy mannequin softcore is pretty funny, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'marionettes, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'wasn't it hardcore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not hardcore if you don't see a hard dick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, even though they depicted the scene as a typical porn scene, the marionettes weren't anatomically correct.  It's about as hardcore as the sex montage from Good Luck Chuck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many cures for diseases have been lost to logging in the Amazon Jungle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '10'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mis jesus im queen of mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less rainforest, less rain....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'A Chinese boat crashed into a protected coral reef in a national marine park and world heritage site last week.  Inside, the Coast Guard found 22,000 pounds of meat...from a protected species.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bbq time!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'What's up?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'errata from two days prior:'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the song "Signs" was (famous) by "Five Man Electrical Band" and not "Electric Light Orchestra" -- (ELO seems a mostly hype band, and unable to recall anything memorable by ELO)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '("Xanadu" was not memorable)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unable to verify (on Wikipedia) that the song "Flowers on the Wall" by the "Stattler Brothers" came out originally as the "Wonderwho" on the 45rpm (in Australia or GB).  The "Wonder Who" groupname was used by The Four Seasons" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wonderwho or WonderWho is spelt differently to the Wonder Who -- read somewhere that the Stattler Brothers were not pleased that the their song came out mislabelled as the Wonderwho. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of information that is absent from the internet (and Wikipedia), especially with the censorship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege hears the sound of line zinging from the Zebco® real and the sound of BAIT plopping into the water
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" by "Thunderclap Newman" (a one-hit-wonder-band) was written specifically for the film "The Magic Christian" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" was originally titled "Revolution" but was changed to avoid conflict with the Beatles song "Revolution"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" is also more apt, since the song was played by the group near the *smelly* sewer scene near the end of the film "The Magic Christian", where lots of money was dropped into and mixed into sewage and the public was invited to jump in for the "free money", which they did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Magic Christian" was an extremely cynical film, perhaps too cynical -- did not receive good reviews'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'however, the song "Somehing in the Air" became famous -- catchy tune, great instrumentals, good lyrics'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and sounds far far better in analog than digital'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter Townshend of The Who produced the song "Something in the Air"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the PH of currently healthy ocean water is at around 8.2 which is slightly alkaline (if ph 7 is neutral)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere dissolving into the Ocean waters, the ph is dropping to 7.9 is some ocean areas'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increased CO2 acidity (lowered PH) and slightly increased temperature of the tropical oceans is conjectured as some of the main reasons that some of the Coral Reefs are dying'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the ecodiversity of the tropical oceans is said to be in the coral regions'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the worst acidification of the oceans seems to be in the seas around Great Britain'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the oceans remove a lot of the CO2 from the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the oceans die, then the atmospheric CO2 shall increase even further, permitting the atmosphere to become even more efficient at absorbing solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in middle Canada, last autumn and early winter was warmer than usual (lots of warming). This spring is very cold (lot of CO2 preventing warming of the polar regions -- but that missing warmth is being absorbed somewhere south of Canada)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did Wikipedia summarise the recent news yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think they have a page up describing how the bush dynasty orchestrated the carnage and destruction in Boston'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was completly sarcastic, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, the crazies work pretty fast '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, the crazies work pretty fast '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'sorry for repeat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have never really paid attention to the Boston Marathon, but watching the news coverage, I was AMAZED at the number of Dandy-boys participating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, doing a Wikipedia search for Boston Bush Carnage'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can... but I just made that up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Security has been tightened for Margaret Thatcher's funeral, which will occur in London on April 17'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two days befor the London Marathon'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'but what could they do to her? she's already dead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'desecration'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF it IS connected to SWA... Desecratoin is a pretty sweet target for them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... westerns would get pretty indignant.. but really don't care that much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like you say... "she's already dead"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there WILL be alot of world leaders on hand, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would make a very tempting target'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'very true'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(in a Monty Python reporter voice): "there will be alot of world leaders on hand (to verify that she is actually dead)."'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege chuckles
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my city has 124 municipal workers (guys that do road maintenance, mow grass, pick up the leaves you rake, etc...) 9 of them called in sick this morning claiming PTSD from the Boston Bombing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, fire them and hire new people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that aspect of our culture could definitly use some reform.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but alas... they will get weeks of sick leave, and tens-of-thousands of dollars of therapy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'von: is your city near boston?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have exact numbers.. but I know of at least three guys on that crew who REALLY DID get blown up in SWA.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they're on the job'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all about milking (bilking) the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if a million people pulled that same stunt across the country, and just ONE was legit, and went 'untreated', the fall out would be monumental!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Vonliege is suggesting that the 9 that called in sick for PTSD be institutionalised and "treated" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not at all... I am indicating that they are in all likely hood not affected in the way they claim'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am calling them shammers, cheats and frauds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if their claim is valid... then they are just plain weak, and ought to be removed from the gene pool'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but Vonliege, you stated that leaving even one "untreated" maybe be "monumental" in fall out'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way, perhaps the real problem is that society allows them to play their game with NO shame... they ought to be ASHAMED... either at being frauds, or at being so weak... either way'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it WOULD have huge fall out... and I think that is really sad that it would'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should have to go see the doctor on their own dime....and if they actually do have ptsd......then coverage can cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then we can see if they really have ptsd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but Riz... that's what is so insidious about the whole scam... it is very difficult to DISPROVE PTSD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also extremely hard to prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the lawsuit would take years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually it's difficult to disprove PTSD in an ethical manner'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you don't worry about ethics, it's fairly easy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need to prove it, so there wouldn't be a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'light off a firecracker behind them?>'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the4 problem with that "see a shrink" approach is that totally-sane-folk are likely to be brainwashed that there "sick" merely so that the shrink may increase the earnings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, you fire their asses, and then they sue for wrongfull termination, but they would have to prove the termination was wrongful by proving they had ptsd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'exposing them to various external stimulation and measuring variables such as galvanic skin response, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ptsd doesn't have anything to do with external stimulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scientology!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're not coming anywhere near disproving'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught boggles at you. 
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a combat veteran, I get to state that there are A LOT of veterans claiming PTSD for the money that don't have anything CLOSE to PTSD. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before trying to debate it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I agree, onslaught...you should'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's an automatic 75% disability retirement of you can get a doctor to sign off on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you want to sound ignorant, carry on'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ptsd isn't just a loud bang issue...there are many forms of ptsd'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of it is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes there are. of course I didn't say "loud bang"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are as many forms of PTSD as there are foot fungus... it's the "mental illness" of the week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess the main problem is you're not reading what I actually type'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I'm reading what you type, and you're making assumptions which simply aren't correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt more then 1-2% of the cases are real'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the loud bang example was said by vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You say "external stimulation" means "loud bang" and *I* am the one making assumptions?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people are able to cope with things quite well, otherwise as a specied we would have died out a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was me'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'are you actually on the same channel here?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I made the 'fire cracker' crack'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, onslaught, I'm not making assumptions, I'm merely carrying on a conversation with more people than just you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'forget reading what I type.. are you reading your own bullshit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good to see that you can't keep up with any of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's fairly easy to keep comments from different people straight'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you see our names are clearly identified to the left'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obviously it isn't for you'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since you seem to think that I'm not allowed to respond to more than just you'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you are'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obviously I'm not, as anything I say that references something someone else said is me not understanding YOU'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just don't direct your responses concerning other peoples' comments toward me'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat (Overlord) Onslaught on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh thank God!  Grief councilors have arrived in Boston!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone considered the insinuation of Obama's "full wieght of justice" comment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it could be taken to mean "he will enjoy all the benifits and protection afforded by the American justice system"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's to consider, it's a pretty standard comment with no hidden meanings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it couldn't (at least not by anyone who's not a moron)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who is "he"? they find a suspect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all sunshine and butterfly farts, I see, Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a real joy to have you around'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bah, Abelinc and his rel-life logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'this is supposed to be the conspiracy theory channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/with-absolutely-no-evidence-alex-jones-calls-boston-marathon-explosions-a-false-flag-operation-conducted-by-the-govt/'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure Tigernuts is going... uhh... nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SHEEPLE SHEEPLE SHEEPLE'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have the technology to build a generational ship to go to other planets if we had to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we have the tech to colonize the solar system. Problem is you'd have to get just about everyone to cooperate in the endeavor'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some scientists estimate that the Andromeda galaxy is scheduled to collide with the milky way in 3 billion years'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. it's not really an estimate'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that it will matter...our solar system will be gone long before that happens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'besides "collide" is a misnomer. There's so much empty space between stars that the chance of having them actually hit each other is extremely low'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some scientists are planning to move the whole planet earth out to a further orbit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to have to move mars also :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't recall ever being attacked in a GQ...I'm sure it's happened, just not often enough that I'd even think about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way that the UK media has been masturbating over the DHS today has been entirely puke-making'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-damage control?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a pretty big race in London Sat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea. My working theory from what's come out is either the DHS had prior knowledge and were unable to stop the event, or the DHS had prior knowledge because they were complicit. Bombers appear to be Saudi nationals in US under prefential channel visa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wouldn't be surprised if they were CIA assets either proper as double agents, or triple agents double crossing their CIA masters'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, it's being hopelessly overegged in the media, i mean, it's shocking, but really, 3 dead - more die every weekend in our cities from murders'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a little too deep (and tin-hatty) for me to get into, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's why i split it into what's known, and what i'm guessing will be the case'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last I was told... the saudi in the hospital has all but been ruled out as a suspect, and is being treated as a witness... not even a 'person of interest''
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 7/7 bombing crew were MI6 assets that double-crossed MI6'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the 9/11 hijackers were trained on US soil by US troops'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there's form, but like you imply, this is all extrapolation, we have no guaranteed facts as yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only 1 guy at the hospital, 2 taken off a plain, and another guy's home being raided'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9/11 were trained by US flight schools... not troops.  There's never been any evidence to support that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the person training them at flight school was whom?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and why would US troops be training pilots... troops don't know anything about flying'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the CIVILIAN flight trainer could have been a PRIOR military pilot... but then more than 50% of CIVILIAN flight instructors ARE prior military service... includeing MYSELF'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to flip the pork chops'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back...'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on you, TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe he had porkchops to flip, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas, and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally, i'd like to see cctv footage of Boston'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical that certain left-wing white house propoganda arms are trying to inject the phrases "patriot" and "tea party" as talking points into the Boston bombings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my gut is that this is going to go back to domesic sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of domestic source'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on that, I don't exactly have a particular feeling... could go domestic islamic... domestic right... I think there will be connections made to SWA in some manner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swa?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if nothing else, the instructions for making the devices'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Southwest Asia'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or:  The Middle East'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we're in the middle of a war on guns.  It'll probably be a resurgent militia spin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd love that, i hope it isn't though'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in which case, it would be domestic right'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even the michigan militia has links to islamic bomb-making sites... it's good information - if you're into that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but the bigger worry is that the perception would be that already-armed militias are incorporating more options into their arsenals.  To get at them, the feds will probably push through a broader gun ban and maybe kick off serious confiscation efforts under the guise of desperate containment (in effect, anyone with a gun is linked to the terror militia).'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll probably roll out tsa checkpoints and the military on the streets first'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... both sides will always try to spin an event to advance their own agenda. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, international terrorists are smuggling tobacco from virginia to NYC.....lets just blame the international terrorists for everything....would make it simpler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the gun-control side really thought they had a winner with sandyhook.  turned out they didn't have near enough momentum.  Maybe they will use this to try and get over the hump'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone stole your bike?  Must have been an international terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, military encampment of the homeland will be exceptionally disastrous.  Not saying they won't get to that point, but they're definitely not going to do it early.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think i'll stick to my guess of saudi or middle-eastern national here legally'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they'll use the NG, though.  that is almost a certainty.  But it will be in a "traffic control" capacity'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could go that way, TN.  sure could.  I'm sticking with domestic, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was just amused at the wanking over the DHS, there's been no attack not because they're effective, but because there hasn't been a credible threat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as absurd as it is, NG is perceived as not-military.  Nobody will like having the NG out like that, but it won't be seen as an outright overreach.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"You have no idea what's in the fake chinese tobacco product," says David Sutton, a spokesman for Altria, which makes Marlboro and other cigarettes.  Hello?  Because of your secrecy, we have no idea what is in your tobacco products anyways!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, it looks like the Bilderberg group's meeting location has been pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'smoking is good for you!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the bombs were made mostly for scare effect, rather than kill potential.  I just don't see the jihadis trying to aim for mere scare tactics, particularly when most if not all of their work has been particularly lethal. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One wonders..given how well known the Bilderberger group is: Who are the real powers behind the throne, and where do they meet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama wants to raise the federal tax on tobacco to 94 cents per pack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bombs were made with what was to hand, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get elaborate bombs made by novices'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would add another $1 to the cigarette pack cost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'counterfeit tobacco products are more lucrative than cocaine or meth now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to 94 cents or by 94 cents?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, it didnt elaborate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, a tax hike of 94 cents'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'federal tobacco tax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fed tax is already $1.01 per pack'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and in other news, indian reservations becoming increasingly popular tourist destinations. trunks suspiciously full when leaving.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana cigarettes.....mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmmmm rizgoth mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're secretly carting out casino money so they can apply for bigger handouts from the Department of Indian Affairs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in Norway, the tobacco tax is just over 40 cents per cigarette'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hah, and you thought cigarettes were bad for you! :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn! the smugglers would love norway then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cigarette tax in the UK is roughly 2x what it should be'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the market isnt that big in norway, unlike the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so it probably isnt worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, a louisiana parish is likely to ban skirts in a bill aimed to combat the saggy-jeans look.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is obama's excuse for the hike on cigarettes? is he planning on putting the cash into medicaid?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's tobacco, does it really matter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a case for taxes on cigarettes in the UK, you don't really have the same excuse in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plus property taxes, cabin or no'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'taxes on cigarettes is a money grab, here.  Simply because it has a somewhat negative social image'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so it goes through'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a HUGE money grab - which I don't really have a problem with.  I use chewing tobaco, but if it got too expensive, I would quit (which I guessI've been saying for a while, now).  It's good revenue - plain and simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with tax on cigarettes up and above the cost to public health service as a matter of ideology - the purpose of tax is not to engineer society'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were ever a flat-type tax, I'd hope that booze and tobaco were taxed at a higher rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there really any engineering going on, though?  people will just pay the price for vises.  VERY few people let cost detere them from smoking'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who smoke are more likely to be on welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'refrase that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people on welfare are more likely to smoke cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... I can spell... rephrase that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll go along with that one... semantics, I know... but the former is less tru than the latter'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case a->b implies b->a'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, excessive tax = bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'weren't the tobacco companies sued by the government 10-15 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise we could tax the shit that spews out of democrats mouths'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was some government action, but the suits were mostly private'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just thought the government forced them to hand over a bunch of money'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it amounted to the government standing off to the side with its hands on its hips trying to direct both sides'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... there was a bit of that.  but it was more along the lines of the government enforcing the courts decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big tobaco, when told by the courts to pay, pretty much said "make me"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm trying to find it, but I could swear that they eventually were forced to put money into what was suppose to basically be some type of trust fund or whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to be used for education, health care, etc. or something of the such'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe I'm mis-remembering'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recollect something along those lines as well... but it was not an open-ended trust.  It was specific to THAT decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'found my figures now. 2011-12, UK got 9.5bn gbp in revenue was fags. the cost of smoking on the NHS was 2.7bn (not even accounting for the 10-40yr lag on cancer matestising and the fact that usage has dropped over that time) - even if you take the figure that includes dubious one-sided social costs, it's only 5.2bn'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was not established, if I recall correctly, as a means to pay out to victim from now until the end of time - it was merely the mechanisim by which those specific plaintifs were paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when a smoker in the UK claims they're subsidising other people, they're quite justified'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the other hand, fags here are $11 for 20'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expaciate'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't, job done'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'they run around that here in CA as well - standard 25 pack runs 13-15 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's about what they pay in NY'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pack of 20 cigarettes in NYC is $12'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what point do you need expaciated?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I think you're right Vonliege, looks like they were forced to pay out like 200 billion or something to the states, over 25 years.  It went into an escrow account or something of the such'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germans pay alot for american cigs... $20-$25 a pack.. but that is pure tariff'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can buy em in Virginia for $5 a pack.....drive em up to NYC and sell em $9 pack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, that's tax fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can or should... semantics'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hahahahahaha, 60% of tobacco products sold in NYC are not taxed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people do that here with booze and fags from the continent'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cigars and snuff?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not snuff, the tax is much lower.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but cigars and cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'loose tobaco, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get outside a city, and you find that cig use goes down, and snuff/loose sales go up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most folks in the US equate tobaco 100% with cigs. the convienince store down at the corner here sells less than 50% cigs... lots of black and tan-type cigars, and A LOT of chew/snuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to love a good cigar....everytime the alaska permanent dividend check arrived, I would go buy a $20 cigar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you live in AK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will the anti-gun bill pass the congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'used to, grew up there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'going to move back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably not, the weather is too harsh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<sigh> you break my heart... you're not supposed to get the dividend... you have to have intent to return'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get the dividend :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh.. past tense'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my family took it for two years while I was stationed there... plenty of military keep it their whole life, and never even go back for a visit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you do have to prove you live in the state to qualify :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only time it was ever challenged was when a fellow from TN won a US congresional seat.  They asked him about it then.  He stopped it, but didn't pay back the 27 years worth he'd been drawing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a former AF guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was stationed at ellis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they do compare the amount of checks sent out to how many registered alaskans there are.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's pretty easy to set up a mail drop for your check... and plenty of folks use the dividend to visit Alaska for a vacation every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they caught one person and made them pay back all the money plus a lot of interest, and almost threw him in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'non-military?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt say'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should be limit of 2-3 years on military'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many states have a no-renewal for driver's licenses if you are active military... Alaska treats the dividend much the same way... you get a pass on proof as long as your active duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or better yet, just put the limit like on going to college....4 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you have to prove you came back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a suprising number of military, once stationed in AK, DO return to AK after retirement'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, if you are active military, that is fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but alot of military folks shamelessly suck down the check with no intention of returning'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not many active military alaskans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are more canadians in the US army than Alaskans'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you were active military and not alaskan, and transfered to alaska, you should only get the check while you are in alaska....and not when you are transfered away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but with an average anual population of what... 880,000?  there's not many to join'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 700k'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to claim alaska as your home state to get the dividend (need an alaskan DL)... so once your are an alaskan resident, you get the dividened.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't really treat an alskan resident more harshly just because they are in the military'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get dividends in the UK, we just get butt raped everytime we open our paycheck'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you understand about the alskan dividend, TN?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz has mentioned it before'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, why become an alaskan resident if you were transfered to the state?  Do people always become a resident of the state they transfer too?  Or is it because of the dividend ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back when the alaskan pipeline went in, the state took the revenue from the first year, and put it into a dividend bearing fund... the dividends is what gets payed out to the alaskans every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are a number of reasons, Ris....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first among them is state income tax.. alaska's got none....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I entered the military from MN... it was 6 years befor I was stationed in TN, and became a TN resident so that I woulnd't have to send 11.5% of my pay back to MN.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund divident is worth about $40 billion now, earns almost the state budget in earnings from investments each year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er the fund itself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the case of alaska, it's even better!  no income tax AND you get cash back.. and who doesn't like "cash back?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in fact, I held my Alaska Driver's license until last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it had the picture of a much much younger man, but it was still valid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a % of revenue from oil and gas goes into the perm fund each year, and a % of the interest avged over 5 years becomes the dividend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the economy tanked, so did the dividend avg :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think it was around $800 last year, not sure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first year we got $1,550 per head... second year, we got $1,020... not sure what it is now'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first year of the dividend, we got $1000, then it dropped to about $300 :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was around 1999/2000, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2008 the dividend was the highest amount ever.....something like $2600'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund owns a lot of real estate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's alot to own'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the dividend is important to a lot of rural people in Alaska.....a family of four can easily get $3-5k a year just from the dividend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why that natgas pipeline NEEDS to be built.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are plenty of folks that ride their sled to town in OCT and buy a years worth of salt, sugar and tobaco... then poof!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prudhoe bay has about 80 tcf of natgas that could be exported to Asia for good money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a bit dated, but still handy for pairing up weaopns'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the summers of canning hundreds of red salmon though :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or freezing king and dungie crab that we caught in the pots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on a boat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 2 skiffs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as an alaska native we can catch 200 fish per day for subsistence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salmon that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'combat salmon fishing at the opener'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or head out to whale pass near kodiak alaska in between kodiak and afognak island, and do some halibut fishing...'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'battered with malt vinagar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beer battered :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is the debate channel... NO BEER BATTER'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buttermilk batter is better.... bet ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or in the summer, do some free diving near the port of kodiak, to get some sea urchins and cucumbers to sell to the japanese businessmen who arrive to see how their boats are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'used to make $20 an urchin back in high school :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we caught a tuna up in kodiak once.....the fish must have gotten lost.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'caught a 15 foot salmon shark in our salmon net once....had a shark bbq for the whole bay that night.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and easy = fun... hard = need to get paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'o.0'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT = Miss-tell'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"the Boston bombing was in fact a 'false flag' operation sponsored by the CIA"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'better hope you are right, otherwise probably a top ten dick statement to make'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm going with Twyst on this one lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"The Man on the Roof and 4 Other Conspiracy Theories Surrounding the Boston Bombings"......'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/16/the-man-on-the-roof-and-4-other-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-boston-bombings/'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'I heard there were warning signs'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'someone yelled timber before the rocks started to fall'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: '*nod self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'too soon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come on... you insinuated that I was a "Dick?"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's... well... "zade-like"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how was that an insinuation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not getting into it... "hair splitters" are as bad as trolls'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a new hardsuit that allows a diver to go up to 1000 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with close to full range of motion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'splitting hairs implies a fine difference, but yeah keep on keeping on'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ROFL at the last one: Boston Bombing is a hoax'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like the first one... "man on the roof"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bomb sniffing dogs??? definitely a sign the CIA is involved *rolls eyes*'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that one ppoints to the "had a warning" conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate I don't think it mentioned the CIA... just indicates that "someone dropped the ball"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hey... EVERYONE who can get next to a microphone on this one is going to spin it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'DHS is my homie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DHS could have been so noble and effective and just dang AMERICAN... but nooooo... they're just a fat, bloated, government Bureaucracy that abuses their power to get more power without actually doing what it was they were created to do.  Like a self-replicating nanobot-virus'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you have it on a large enough circuit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it required that one takes one's meds before starting a debate. The mouth-foaming harms screens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... sorry for that mis-tell ealier... I am sure that the apparent randomness of it completly baffled everyone - considering how rational, considerate, and insightfull I am all other times.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what about'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'polution, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'waiting for Zarra'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... maybe another time'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'real but also making the earths natural cycle accelerated'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like to pour my oil into the aquifer'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pour your waste oil on wetlands... it controls mosquitos'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Didnt the EPA suggest that in the old days'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true statement in a 1960's government information pamphlet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-dates the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was distributed by the USDA'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it would be funny if it werent so sad'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Has anyone visited rhe Islamic web magazine "Inspire" that is being shown on the news lately?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no?  I suspect that you will have to try a little bit to find it.  Besides a Wikipedia page with links, it seems to be a bit supressed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[the Boston bombings are] "proof that those automatic spending changes [sequestration] negatively impacted the intelligence community."'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did all the networks report the "non-arrest"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lexington have yoinked permit for a pro-second ammendment rally on patriots day'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sheesh, they're just asking to be bombed!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lexington is pretty conservative'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are they were leant on'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt there is true nefarious intent... but then again, there is the PRECEPTION of nefarious intent'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it is is conceding defeat to the terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is all the publicity'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"amature video footate of the event MAY contain images of a person or persons who MAY have seen the person or persons who MAY have planted the bomb"... I love MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some guys have been going over all the photos and footage with a toothcomb'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's standard operating procedure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '(fine tooth... we say 'fine tooth comb')... do you say 'tooth comb' in UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there some spurious evidence that Navy Seals may be involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is*'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even start'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/cbgoq8e   http://tinyurl.com/c8u8nl9'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just links to the work these other guys have been doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know Alex Jones has proof that Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were gay lovers, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'letter addressed to President Obama tested positive for Risin'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AT the whitehouse'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this on the heals of a similar letter sent to a senator'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think Risin is pretty easy to create... dangerous, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on a mold spore or fungus, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's from the castor oil plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thought it came from like the poppy seed or something?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nasty stuff, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '"Ricin (pron.: /?ra?s?n/), from the castor oil plant Ricinus communis, is a highly toxic, naturally occurring protein."'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HEY!  you wikied it TOO!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is fine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the baja 1000 race has decided to add a new division, financed by the drug cartels of mexico......Whoever gets a 100 lb box into mexico wins a special prize of $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they make an air-racing movie about that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no icea'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idea even'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I believe they did.  It had three nice-looking young flyboys who looked like they could star on the remake of 90210.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one knows but the 100 box is filled with $100 bills....about $4.6 million worth. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's to stop the racers from opening or otherwise just driving off with the money?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because they will think it is just a box of rocks or whatever......*hums to self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good luck convincing them to add more weight to their racers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You actually think this is serious eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but I saw no reason not to continue the conversation. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good man!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's going on in Boston now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt decided to turn it into a penal city.....all the drug users are going to be sent there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the price of bluefin tuna is skyrocketing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess it will be going extinct soon thanks to european fishermen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hospital and courthouse evacuated, code red bomb threat apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am going to sue Dupont®'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluefin is the really good tuna that they're trying to pass yellow tuna off as?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate dupont® is a chemical company'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dupont is investing $5 billion in new upgrades to its US based chemical plants since natgas is so cheap here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am a real wreck of the Boston bombing.  It made me miss brushing my teeth this morning.  one of the pressure cookers that were used in the bombing had a teflon coating.  Dupont® invented teflon.  I am suing dupont.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the IRA used to fart bigger bombs than the Boston one'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Brach Candy Company... I'm suing them too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not really werthers the time to sue brach.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because they make Boston Baked Beans.  Now when I see Boston Baked Beans in the store, I can only recall that time I didn't brush my teeth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congrats, USA is sending more troops to Jordan'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see what you did there... clever... I'll sue werther's too'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about Johnson and Johnson or whomever makes your toothpaste?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Procter and Gamble®... I'll sue them for not having a "time to brush your teeth" alarm built into the tube'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I'll sue the super market where I bought the toothpaste for not having a warning label posted at eye level'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the warning label was at eye level for a 7' tall man... not MY eye level'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'done with the sueing rant'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... early on, I was looking for an IRA connection to the bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Boston being about the most Irish town outside of Irland'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was in Dublin one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you kiss the blarney stone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we crashed a helicopter during a POTUS mission.  Had to go investigate the crash'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... I saw the one in Shamrock, TX, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'divebombing little green people, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shifty bastards... did you know they burrow?  I didn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boat diesel cheaper than car diesel here, same with agricultural diesel'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we get a 55¢ break on "off road" diesel'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn japanese are stealing all our bluefin tuna!  They buy almost 95% of bluefin tuna caught in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and China's making the mink-fur industry boom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you catch a bluefin tuna in the US, sell it to a broker for up to $25 a lb, and they in turn overnight ship it to Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the background check bill failed to pass the Senate....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now we can get rid of the ones who did vote for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though satan's right hand man, Harry Reid is now pushing Internet Sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is inevitable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially as more business moves online.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'honestly, i think satan would probably pick someone a little bit more murderous than harry reid, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he picks whomever he can get'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'for his right hand man? come on, that's gotta be one evil dude.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has many right hand mans :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the right hand man isnt the evil one....the beast is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you could argue that harry reid is misguided, or foolish, maybe even a -little- evil, but definitely not the devil's right hand sort of material.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'how many right hands does the devil have, then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about that he's shit, and a terrible excuse for a republican?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is just doing what he thinks is right, but not doing what his constituents want...I seriously doubt nevada business wants a federal sales tax on internet goods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'd accept that he's shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while it sucks, it's odd that this is one area where the feds DO have jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike most of the other trash they've been coming up with lately, like obamacare and gun bills'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'casino harry is a democrat....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crap democrat at that'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'casino harry needs to retire, and let a youngster take his seat....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only you guys can sort that out'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with a background check for guns is....it has to be done for EVERY gun you buy each time......so if you buy a damn gun every month...you have to have a background check done every month.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and creates a gun registry, and nothing happened as a result of failing a check'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt create a registry, because otherwise they wouldnt need to do the damn background check EVERY purchase :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it creates a gun registry of every gun for which a background check is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always argued for a gun-owner license instead'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'achieves the same aims without the need for a gun registry'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the concealed gun license could cover all forms of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could keep all of your gun certs in one database'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or to make it simpler, add it to drivers licenses......'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, some would want one and not the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they aready have crap like needing contact licenses or organ donation on it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, cause it would be an add to the drivers license, if you dont want it, you dont have it on your license.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if you don't have a driving license?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then it goes on your id.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you cant get a concealed weapons permit without an id or drivers license anyways. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what id?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US produces more trash then any other nation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'are you talking about our TV, or our refuse?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and California has the largest mega dump in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called Los Angeles'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 million tons of trash is in place right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what kind recyclables are in that dump.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is running out of dump space......we are filling em up too fast....and new dumps are not opening up fast enough.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what the hell is wrong with our conngress'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'less than our senate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What isnt wrong with our congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, that's a useless question, Moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'haha but seriously why in hell would they vote down the compromise act or whatever it is called i am really pissed off'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one with the universal background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We don't need universial backround checks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We allready have backround checks when you buy a gun at a store.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because it's unenforceable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've heard the argument that the government is actually better off being extremely inefficient. like, the less it can accomplish the less likely it is to screw things up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more of a balancing act.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'and all it did was extend the current backround checks already in place and yes we do but you can buy them online or at a gunshow so your saying that you would let criminals and mentally ill people buy guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you mean you cant enforce them'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'newsflash: they're already buying the guns.  Mostly out of car trunks in church parking lots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'so it may be better for congress not to function because it allows problems to work themselves out naturally, rather than become worse through government intervention.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'maybe so but it would limit how easy you can get them legally'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dare you to go to a "gun show" with your hat backwards and a bunch of gang tatoos. Noone is going to sell you shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which does absolutely nothing to the overall ease of buying a gun in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You have to be a "good ol boy" and walk and talk outdoorsmen to buy a gun at these shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Adam Lanza was NOT able to buy guns at the gun show he went to for example. Hell I doubt I could even get one. But I could go to a shop and buy one without much trouble. Because it's my right to be able to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lanza's mother is too blame, she bought him the guns, the books on guns, the videos on guns, whatever he wanted that had to do with guns, even though she knew he was mentally unstable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'applying "gun control" logic, there should now be a background check for all pressure cookers'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and backpacks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And pornz.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which brings us back to the question - "how much government is enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Adam is to blame first and foremost. But yes his mom made poor choices with her son. Most divorced mothers do. Not quite like this however. What happened at Newtown was an exception to what goes on in everyday America and the laws that liberals want to pass have nothing to do with preventing violence or reduceing crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About three ladles and satchel, good sir!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA shouldnt be paying for the traffic controllers at small airports, let the companies that park their CEO jets at them pay higher fees to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FAA should cover those cities where the existence of adequate flight control and IFR approaches has a significant impact on the ecconomy of the city, and a critical effect on general flight safety'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw the economy affect, if it affects the economy THAT much, let the city pay more for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I tried to be an Air Traffic Controller once.  :('
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I still have horrible nightmares about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the trouble with your postion is that there is no "top" to it... why not privatize the ENTIRE air structure of the nation?  let the airlines pay for everything?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are thousands of small unnecessary airports around the country, and the people who use them need to pay more to use them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how does that NOT apply to JFK, or ATL, or LAX?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "let the people who use them..." part'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am talking airports that have less then 150,000 annual operations, not the ones that gets 10s of millions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you see.. it is just a matter of scale... '
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most small airports just outside LAX cater to CEOs, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same for many other airports just outside big ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about the tiny airports that are 300 miles away from the ATLs, JFK, and LAXs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they are under 150,000 operations per year, cut the air traffic operator budget, let the county pay more of the bill if they want one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise let the pilots do it, since they are trained how.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '-'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and how it used to be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my home town has no air traffic controller and there hasnt been an accident in 50 years, but it gets much less then 150,000 operations per year....more like 1 commercial flight a day, the rest is smaller stuff, and about 5 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I completly disagree.  the flight safety issue alone is justification enough to keep these small airports open'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'call me when you guys are talking about guns again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever been ejected from the front window of a car in a crash?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, send a check to the FAA for $150,000...thanks :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have seen a child ejected through the front windshield in a crash.  There's something to make you hate people. :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if YOU have never been ejected from a car in a crash, then YOU don't ever have to wear a seatbelt again.. but for the other 200-300 odd million drivers in the US, it's still a good idea.. For the pilot, those small airports with attended radar, and IRF approaches are LIFESAVERS for emergencies'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were only JFKs, ATLs and LAXs in the country, there would be precious few places for a pilot to put down when he finds himself in the clouds with one engine out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you still dont need an air traffic controller sitting in the tower 23 hours a day drinking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 150 airports just lost their ATC, woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no attendant - no GSR - no GSR, to IFR approach'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you think it is that important, go have a bloody bake sale. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and rehire the ATC'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love a good Texan bake sale!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not even rational... if it bothers YOU so much... got bomb all the "unneccesary towers"'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Abu Dhabi has $860 billion in its sovereign acct, as of 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, a fertilizer plant in Texas exploded.....up to 70 people or so could be dead....6 confirmed dead so far, including 2 EMS and 3 firemen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '... :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'witnesses said the explosion looked like a nuclear bomb going off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'how many nuclear explosions had those witnesses seen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can see them all the time on TV.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mushroom cloud, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a nursing home with 133 residents was located directly next door to the plant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the explosion destroyed homes that were nearby, killing animals inside, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A singapore company claims to have created a IIA diamond in the lab.....the purest diamond classification used for investment grade diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'what's an investment grade diamond, if you don't mind educating me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'diamonds for commercial use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'investment grade are pure, ie flawless'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only real use for diamonds are industrial anyways, and those are created ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wedding diamonds are not IIa'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'yeah, i read an article about that some time ago. artifical diamonds are too perfect so they're useless retail. thanks. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you wont buy IIa diamonds at a jewelry shop, they cost to much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they hold thier value, unlike wedding diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then it's a good thing if they can be created.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i read that they're actually totally worthless to jewelers, though. like, jewelers won't even buy them. the article might have been spun by the jewelry industry though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe 1-2% of natural diamonds are IIa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IIA diamonds are only used for investments.....you go to a diamond supplier and buy them and put them in a vault forever....then if you need cash, you sell some.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Investing in diamonds seems like a really really bad idea to me... it's just a question of time until they can be created for low cost and then all diamonds will plunge in value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'well, they have commercial and industrial uses as well so they're useful in manufacturing and production.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd agree, except the value in diamonds is fairly artificially inflated anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IIa natural diamonds are not used in industry.....they make industrial diamonds for that now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cubic zirconiums.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, like all things that are valuable just because they are rare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's just it, diamonds aren't as rare as people think'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diamonds are artificially rare because of DeBeers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But diamonds are just carbon atoms.. so the raw materials are not rare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Rizgoth, i thought that's what we were talking about, artifical diamonds for industrial use. Singapore did something different?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'singapore created a IIa diamond that is the same as a natural IIa, industrial diamonds are not IIa'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, i thought -all- naturally occuring diamonds had some level of flaw created by stress or impurity, and that's what differentiated them from artifical diamonds. That's not the case?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would cost to much to make industrial diamonds IIa, so they prefer to make less perfect diamonds for industrial use....just as good, just not as beautiful :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least until this singapore company said they figured out a cheaper process to make industrial IIa diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that is the case, it will be harder to distinquish the real from the manmade, and the investment grade will go away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they're doing it in bricks? it's sooooo cool to see a brick made of pure diamond from a manufacturing facility.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be a pretty useless brick, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd rather take a brick built with nanotubes or graphene or something cool like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'or buckyballs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the antigun measures have been defeated, we need to impeach Obama and Bloomberg for lying about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lying about it being defeated?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lying about what it did and didn't do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ooooh... I must have missed where that's an impeachable offense'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'by the way, you should get a kick out of this: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/false-flag-alex-jones-boston-marathon-bombing-family-231742713.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lying as a politician isn't an impeachable offence, but all presidents since Nixon have overtly committed impeachable offences'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's was the NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something tells me he isn't going to be worried about lobbyist media trolls, onslaught, he probably welcomes the extra publicity'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, can't really focus on impeaching Obama right now. I'm too worried about the false flag Boston bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have pseudo-celebrities in the UK that likewise thrive off negative media coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? the Texas factory explosion is far more fatal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I shouldn't be worried about the U.S> government bombing Boston because the Texas factory explosion has more fatalities?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't believe it was a false flag, then yes, you should :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who said I don't believe it was a false flag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because to do otherwise would be to obsess over the publicity of it rather than it's actual effect on peopel and society'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your dripping sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm being sarcastic now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i don't believe it was a false flag, i believe it was a DHS clusterfuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you appear to be'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think DHS was responsible for Boston?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe they had prior warning, hence the late searches. But they either lied about there being prior intel, or they lied about them conducting a drill. They had no reason to lie'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the most likely? they had some sort of intel, but failed to find a bomb, then lied about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just thinking aloud here :) But have you noticed how the world goes to hell in a hand basket when the Pentagon budget is threatened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, very true, anaristos, it's not like Napolitano threatened that there'd be attacks if the sequester went through or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or uhh... and I'm just tossing this out... maybe DHS didn't have prior warning?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why lie about there being a drill when there are eye-witness statements, photos and so on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, it doesn't mean they DID it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but why lie about stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but believing Boston WASN'T a false flag would be to believe Alex Jones is crazier than a rat on acid'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I certainly can't do that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's just faulty logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the number of 'bombing' attempts that the feds HAVE had a hand in, I am quite forgiving of people jumping to conclusions'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should point out that Mr Mcafee in an interview just after he fled back the US said he had intel that the houses would be attacked with Ricin'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well thanks, I appreciate that. Most people I tell about the Boston false flag just thing I'm nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is not enough is known yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who did it or why'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh that isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know the gov did it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'to blame the Tea party'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing media is pushing that idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh? what idea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AJ media pushing the government, right wing media taking a balanced view. so who's right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Alex Jones is right. Duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you expect us to take you as anything except a troll because.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's not very polite'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither are you, sir'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'on the contrary, I've been nothing but cordial this evening'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you choose to label me a "troll"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have an opinion, express it, if you have an argument, argue it, don't just go around taking shits on everything for the sake of massaging your own ego'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously you have little to offer but insults today'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't born yesterday, and neither is anyone else following this'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you go recite 10 hail chris matthews and utter a prayer to the obama collective'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is your birth date relevant to the conversation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as penance for your sins'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Chris Matthews is a tool'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad you think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I'm glad you're glad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AJ himself is like a smoke detector that is too sensitive'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however since you seem intent on attacking me for no apparent reason, I think I'll go find something else to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but just like you understand the prism of bias you get with the BBC, or RT, or CNN, or MSNBC, or FOX'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try to be a little more consistent next time, then!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do left-wing extremist terrorists seem to get airbrushed from the collective memory?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could it be that a single dimension consisting of left and right is inadequate for describing things?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/16/huffington-post-we-made-a-decision-not-to-cover-the-gosnell-trial/'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that was noted :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because abortion is trendy and a left-wing thing, they don't want to be seen to be giving the anti-abortion camp some credence'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's coming from someone who is vaguely pro-abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it just bothers me that they will ignore things like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not that both sides don't ignore things, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't bother me'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a horrid story'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'throw away the key'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just can't imagine having so little value for human life'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that's not a pro-life statement, that's just about that case in general'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've seen the video of an abortion doctor being confronted by anti-abortion protestors and shouting out "Who is going to look after all those ugly black babies? You wouldn't want all those ugly black babies"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure if I've seen that one, but I know I've seen videos that sound like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there've been bio-ethecists in scientific papers calling on children to be aborted up to age 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now I remember reading something about that, and fairly recently, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it's a societal problem, not a legal one'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I don't know what the answer is to that question.  I'm fairly pro-life, but I"m not sure that it should be illegal, either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'limit to first trimester, at the weakest'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop dissing the family, rebuild it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ties into poverty and feminism, we've been taught that women should work not be mothers... now families can't survive unless both parents survive, and we've made out-of-relationship children making morally ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things which by themselves seem fine, but together have a negative impact'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, like I said, I'm not sure what the answer is, or at least, what the solution is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in some parts it's beginning to fix itself'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partly due to the cyclical nature of opinion - pro-life is becoming more popular'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just get upset when I hear about being doing it simply because having a child will disrupt their 'life plans''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know that doesn't make up the majority of the cases, but still'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's the idiocy isn't it? If you can't afford or don't want a kid, DON'T MAKE ONE'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not life birth control is difficult'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think part of my problem is that I can't put myself in that mindset'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just always kind of looked at it as if I was going to do 'adult things' then I'd take 'adult responsibility' for the consequences.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, the predominant offenders are now young black and hispanics. 50 years ago young blacks were the least likely to have kids out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to ask how society went from one situation to the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what prompted and facilitated that change'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but if I remember correctly, it's strongly linked to the education of young females, regardless of race.  Though obviously urban areas struggle the most in their education, and at least in the U.S., that means reaching young black females'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it isn't education or lack of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'with hispanics there's some cultural momentum involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm just going off what I remember the research saying, though it tended to be linked to stds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not quite the same thing, but protection for one tends to overlap with the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm confused. Why, if an ex-official's wife has been charged in the case of the Texas DA murders, are/have the media been trying to blame it on a white supremacist gruop called the Aryan Brotherhood?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'S744 immigration bill has been handed to the house wednesday morning in preparation for it's only scheduled hearing friday morning. It's 844 pages long - how is that long enough to digest it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, College Professor arrested for progane rant at Pro-life students'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interns and staff'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'This makes us Norwegians look slow. Proposed legislation here usually comes from a specialist committee, then goes to 3 month public hearing. After this the relevant department adjusts it, then there's sometimes a new hearing. After this it goes into the queue of some parliamentary committee which eventually chews on it for a couple of weeks or months. Finally, when everyone is well and truly bored, there is a vote in parliament.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, sometimes parliaments are berated for procedure, but at least we don't have the ridiculous situation of lengthy bills being voted on before anyone has had a chance to READ them, then you have stupid stuff like riders being tucked onto the end that have nothing to do with the original subject matter'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also don't think we have passed any law of more than 100 pages yet (tax law and main social security law are about that length)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... you DO make progess... here in the US, our lawmakers sit and sling doo-doo at each other over nothing for three months, then in the last 3-4 days of session, propose, consider, and VOTE on the only legislation for the entire session'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting it couldn't be improved by mandatory time to study bills linked to the size of the bill, and a ban on non-related riders?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the latter could be fixed with a 'line item veto' ability... the former is just plain broke'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is like a 'bubble of can't-touch-this' when it comes to holding law maker's feet to the fire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to change'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since there is no benefit to either side, it is something that could be done without opposition'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'execpt there will opposition because unpopular administrations abuse such techniques to sneak things through'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I still prefer it to a parlimentary system.  honestly, we see some of the antics from the UK.  that can be a real cirus.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the yelling and screaming and such.  I suppose those are the only parts that make US news.  Or in the asian parliments where they have all out brawls =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really only Prime Minister's Question time, which is just a weekly propoganda show'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I imagine it's less a function of "parlimentary system", and more to do with culture.  But I prefer the representative replublic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for most of the parliamentary debates the house is empty'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i absolutely agree, UK is laid waste by it's lack of a constitution, and US looks horrid when and only when it's administration devalues of denigrates it's constitution'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not really the point, is it? riders and not-being-given-time-to-read-something-you're-expected-to-vote-on are problems that have nothing to do with the sytem of government, only specific implementation of protocol'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am starting to wonder, what with the information and communication capabilites available today, if it isn't time for an true democracy - were everyting is reforendum-based... of course, the pitfall there is that in the US, we are past the "tipping point" where the number of people on the dole would shout down those who are paying for the dole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be terrible'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time to go make the lefse... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would prefer that as much as were pragmatic that power were devolved to states, that way you could get the best of constitutional protection, along with representative democracy while being able to cater for the problem of differing culture across the wider country'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what the original constiution and bill of rights put forward, but it got eaten up by the aftermath of the outbreak of WW1'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while federalisation had some benefits, it's ultimate trajectory is the complete loss of that local representation'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ultimately leads to seperatist movements, such as northern ireland troubles leading to devolution, wales devolution, scotland devolution with attempts to become independant. Independance movements in parts of Spain simiarly'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty worrying: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/ny-psychiatrists-served-with-subpoenas-for-patient-records-in-ny-gun-confiscation/#axzz2QobfXv1u'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in that instance... it will come down to the individual Psyco-doc.  Does he vilotate patient/doctor confidentiality, or does he stand firm.  I suspect that he could NOT give them up, and weather the fallout fine... or, he could cave and set a dangerous precedent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most will violate'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html?pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'published on the same day of the boston marathon, and gets no media coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'cover up?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not news...we already knew that the US practiced torture after 911'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was news a few years ago during the waterboarding scandal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the publication of the reoprt'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'report*'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would challenge you to find a day where "US Tortures XXX" is NOT in the news'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rightyoh, lets get people indicted then'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, the publication of the report that is just reiterating what everyone already knew...how is that news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'status'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got a better idea... let's indict child molestorers, murders, corupt polititians, etc...  there are worse people in the world than those who seek to secure out country.  do you really believe that torture happens because someone gets their jollies from it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since it serves no other purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'indicting torturers doesn't mean we can't indict child molesters too. '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I beg to differ... done right, and 'in the moment', a little physical pain, and the threat of pain (or worse) can get information to flow... sometimes the information is false, but it can be checked and acted upon'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't indict both, majic, that would be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe that, you should probably be living in North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of us threw that overboard after 1945'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's illegal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it may serve a purpose if it's 'where are the fucking HOSTAGES NOW' but this isn't what it's been applied to'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you hit a target, and you take a prisoner, shoving a 9mm in his mouth (breaking a few teeth in the proccess) and demand to know "where the rest of them are"... nine outa ten times, you are going to find out "where the rest of them are", and kill them too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what happened though, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that's not what the report is about'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're attempting to defend the indefensible here'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'granted, the report is more about organized and deliberate "torture"... but it DOES work'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not reliable'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is not something the good guys are supposed to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's about as reliabel as a yugo, and the yugo still gets you where your going'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... there's the fulcrum of the issue... what is a "good guy?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will be judged more by how you treat your enemies that how you treat your friends'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'organized and deliberate torture doesn't give reliable information, it gives people who will say whatever you want to get the pain to stop whether they're innocent or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and often enough, what they say is "actionable intteligence"... '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rule of thumb: Anyone with a gun is not a good guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might notice gitmo detainees are all being forcefed because they're all on hunger strikes, they realise they have nothing to lose anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. and they have ALSO realised that the average walking around american is a bleeding heart liberal who has NO IDEA of how nasty the world really is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not that bleeding heart, they're bleeding stupid maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the guy with the gun isn't the bad guy... the guy with the gun pointed at your children is the bad guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good or bad is in deed or heart, not in what you're carrying'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone with a gun is bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the anti-second ammendment crowd forget that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr can't possibly believe the world is that stupid-simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There might be occasions where carrying a gun is acceptable, but those are very few.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to be a bit more specific than that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok. Guns are ok for hunting, but nowhere else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr.. what's your history?  family origin?.. where do you 'come from'?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun ownership is not related to torture, or to terrorism, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Never said it was.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I can work with that... Sweeden hasn't seen a war since the napolionic wars, and during WWII, they let hitler use the crap out of the,'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'black and white views of the world are very nice to hold and usually incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't even a link to crime, except a negative one'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is a choice we made, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't say a lot for the collective decisionmaking of the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all those millions of dead russians... partly because sweeden "made a choice" to let Germany use their rail and air infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden has a system that seems to work for itself, but don't pretend it's portable to other countries - it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer living in a country that tries hard to not fight wars, compared to living in a country that captures and imprisons people without due process, and then tortures them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you really have no place in this debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, ranrr, and is why i constantly fight for USA to return to what it's founders intended, which was just what you described'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I find the torture as repulsive as you do, but you're trying to link it to wars, cops, and everyone else who has a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just said that the person carrying the gun is the bad person.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are cops bad people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you're wrong, when you try to make a simple, black-and-white assumption like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe I'm wrong. But it''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some cops are bad, but most are not. '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say all jews are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or all muslims are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But in any scenario, I would use that rule of thumb for survival.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or everyone who likes rock music are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you'd run from the cop with a gun to a mugger with a knife?  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who drives a car is a earth-hating evil person'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I'd run sideways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who expresses an opinion is bad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now, tigerballs... that's not nice to say... we all get to speak our mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, i came over all fake-liberal there'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustavus Adolphus was a great weed'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustavus Adolphus was a great Sweed'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he saw what needed doing in Europe and took action'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, in the 1600s sweden behaved the way the US does now. We've moved on since then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'swede*'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'thanks abelinc... swede'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustav II Adolf, as he's know there'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl: MSNBC: NRA 'in the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WTFBBQ!??'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did someone say bbq ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, roasted meat with bbq sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffling'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Kevin Curtis... a democrat... and a christian.... was he responsible for sending the ricin? How are MSBNC going to spin the fact that it makes him a left wing extremist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, butanol is good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just saw the presidents response to the gun control bill that got shot down (no pun intended)....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't act very presidential'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'did he use the word whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that I heard... he just looked and sounded like he was pitching a fit... like a six yearold'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or whiteys'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was acting like a six year old brat that didn't get a pony for Christmas'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wow that will probably be used by a few comedies'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'His tirade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because he wanted to blame the republicans, but some democrats sided with the republicans in the senate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it passed the senate, the republican house would have not passed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then the prez could say the republicans didnt care and perhaps take the house in 2014.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is good to see there are still some free thinkers in congress though....perhaps they will continue to have balls and keep thinking for themselves and what is actually best for the country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... back a few years ago... George Bush was having a grin-and-grab meeting and photo op with an Idaho Senoir Citizen's Capital Tour when his aid Bob came in and whispered in his ear "Sir, two Brazzilians have been killed in Afgahnistan."  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The president calmly finished his chat with the senior citizens, and stepped outside to where his aid was waiting and asked "Dang, Bob.  Just how many is a Brazzilian?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my clannies didn't laugh either... I guess I am the only one who thinks that that is even a little bit funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I thought it was funny. It's also funny because you can tell it to either democrats or republicans -- just change the president who's speaking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .the reason I picked George, is because I think he's the kind of guy who would laugh at it, too... Had I used Obama, I'd have a black helicopter hovering over my house'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said black, you fucking racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I did... but I'm not a racist... I am a bigot.. there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I was defriended by someone on facebook who said they disagreed with some political issue and said they didn't want to be friends with any bigots. I just gave her the definition of bigot, and our beautiful friendship was at an end :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are you a racist or a bigot if you dislike africans ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bigot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you dislike africans AND believe you have a superior right to rule over them... you are a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, cause there are white, black, asian, etc africans'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think youre actually a continentalist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'African isn't a race'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, you don't even have to DISLIKE a race to be a racist... you can think that Asians are perfectly fine folks, but completly unfit to make their own decisions, and that you need to be their ruler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just as an example, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I were from africa, and I were white, and I came to the US, I could get a free day off during African-American History month?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 3 new earth like planets have been found....lets go visit!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am already there opening up a McDonalds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'venus is earth-like'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Missing the new adjective though!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1200 to 2700 light years away though :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, venus fits the description and is much closer'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's very earth like'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda hot on venus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love venus'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'exactly. earth like doesn't mean it has an atmosphere or other stuff you happen to like about earth :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it just means that they're about the same size and are located in the theoretically life supporting zone close to the sun'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like venus :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'anyone knows the strange sounds being heard around the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the kind that only a few crazy people can hear?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we're not crazy!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the planet is about to blow up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'its on youtube like a strange humming noise'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cicada'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'quess yall don't know about this'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, if you count people watching youtube videos "being heard all over the world"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've also seen one where some murican lady was upset about rainbows coming out of her sprinkler'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I heard a couple of explosions in Boston the other day - if that's the logic we're going with here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'it started in 1994 , scientist can't explain this phenomena.. they speculate its the trumpets of the Lord we read in thd bible that the end is near'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The scientists speculate or the zealots?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I strongly doubt any scientist is speculating that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, according to the bible the end can't be near because it says that it'll be a surprise'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while I don't doubt that the "end" is coming.. I don't think it's all that close... the original 11 thought Jesus would be back in a few days... a couple weeks at most.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'it doesn't help i try to explain, all you do is making fun of it... till you see the countless videos of this then ylu will understand'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"you will know neither the day or the hour..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wasn't there something about coming like a thief in the night?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'post link post link post link post link post link post link post link post link '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's satan'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it'll be like the spanish inquisition '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Slyzora - post a link.. we're too lazy to google it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'personally, i think revelations is the coolest part of the bible. crazy shit. chemosh seemed to be channeling it a lot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'samson was pretty cool as well. killing peasants, fucking bitches and generally being a dickhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, proving that you can do anything you fucking want as long as you've got the rockstar hair...that's why my hair is long'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'http://vuclip.com/w?cid=431224498&bu=2842387639&z=1112&frm=s'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'there is it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people hear weird sounds on the internet. news at 11'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have never heard of any of these.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'kinda spooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't play it... post a youtube link'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'save it, only 21 megs'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not saving files off dodgy websites, tyvm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wan't me to install a propietary player....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'lmao vuclip is very popular'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's got malware writen all over it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'lol what a internet noob'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'nope its called wisdom'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's only one reason why a video file would be packaged in such a way that you need a proprietary player to view it.... MALWARE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, it seems that the site is for african user on mobiles'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your definitions of "all over the world" and "very popular" are pretty narrow'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'wisdom? doubt it can't even open a file'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not 'can't' but 'won't install software without a reason''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'what ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'you stream it like youtube .....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Slyzora.. you have my REALLY interested in the video... I am just sitting on the edge of searching for it myself... but not quite there... post a YOUTUBE.COM link, please'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i download as many things as possible.  i view it lke a highscore in my add/remove programs window'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stream it like youtube, except no computer ships able to stream it...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'also the amount of unremovable viruses detected is fun as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'search it yourself at youtube.. tyoe strange earth sounds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the site provides video in 3gp format, which is a video for mobile devices'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I like to lose those kind of races, Noegle... I have often been accused of sand-bagging when I just say "you win" =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the file format is meant for phones, not computers'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so slyzora is probably on mxit or some other retarded service that won't let him use youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'get a phone then'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir pats <SneakY> Slyzora on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'f u loser'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's something charming about phone players'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'your device is the problem idiot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's gotta be a rich phone player, though, with a comment like "save it, only 21 megs"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you know, I looked at the first video and it's full of comments of people saying things like 'I was THERE at that time and I didn't hear any sounds like that''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'unlimmited cap for downloads ... duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not only that, but more comments saying 'Did you realize that a lot of the videos have the exact same background noise?''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you do know that most people here have computers and broadband internet connections?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'conclusion: hoax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the americans tho. some of them are still on dial up'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it never even made it popular enough to warrant a snopes'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to do Slyzora a solid here and post the YOUTUBE(no 'free' software required).com link:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2Q560V5P0'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You are a better man than most'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone DOES understand that the crust of the planet is made up of an ever-shifting series of floating plates, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what? there are no strange noises. it's a fucking hoax'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'yes dr.phill'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'so what if its a hoax? i just founded it strange'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude ... a hoax means 'someone made it up to fuck with you''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'i fucking know what a hoax means'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm actually quite torn on the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'aardwolf is a hoax none of this is happening'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then why would you find it strange? hoaxes are supposed to be strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'i tried to fuck with your mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do love fucking with stupid people, but in the other hand it's pretty annoying when it stops being fun and people start taking some bullshit too seriously'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'hahahajA'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... this one doesn't even peg 3 outa 10 on the "greatest hoaxes" scale... kinda lame'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'abelinc is the knowledge bot does anybody find it weird he knows everything?? its the government man...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it possible that Abelinc is an extension of ECHELON?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think he is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'should buy some ad space and write something like "are you easily fooled? come take an aura photo to find out!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the very least... let's all thank Slyzora for attempting to bring something original to the table...  now, can we get back to gun control, organic gardening, or the Boston Bomb Conspiracies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, hey, nuts is here'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm here and i resign!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'check this out - obama is critical of cispa. spin it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cough*bullshit*cough'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Now that you are unencumbered by the restictions of your former office, Tigerballs... tell us what's on your mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still recovering from a foray into my nearest city'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'were there roadblocks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i just hate cities'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'retinal scanners?  PAPER CHECKERS?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"show me zee PAPERS!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like to check out a city now and again... go in shops, see what's new, get a REALLY expensive hotdog or cup of coffee... but then it's time to go'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they make me pretty ill, so i avoid them usualyl'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been stuck in cities from time to time... had to live in Atlanta for three years one time.  That pretty much sucked'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i dont think ive been to a city that i can say "sucked"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though theyre mostly all about the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'kansas city kind of sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw more examples of crony capitalism in the housing market, got cross, came home'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now why in the HELL would you make a day trip to the city to get involved in HOUSING?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'he just wanted to be angry at something'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't, just happened to see examples'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you ever see things that annoy you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I drive my kids to school and see examples of a failed entitlement system'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'explain vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If a child gets dropped off and picked up from school every day by a HUMMER... that child ought not to get free lunches'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i live down a road that has two schools on it. I see the kids being dropped off when they should have bloody WALKED'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What happened with the free lunches thing... I know we had to pay for our lunches'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of insurance reasons, schools do not want kids to walk to school anymore....either get dropped off, or take the bus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance should be shoved up their arse'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm garden hose water mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when we have parents who are getting dcfs (the uk equivalent, because this happened in the uk) sicced on them because their kid walked FROM THE BUS STOP to the house door without a parent present ... why the hell would the parent risk letting the kid walk to school?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the distance from the bus stop was quite literally about a hundred yards'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I walked to school since I was in kindergarten'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change the government'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'all these whippersnappers grrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under the being bloody stupid act'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the FBI are ignoring the men carrying the backpacks identical to those which the bombs were carried in, and are instead looking for a couple of patsies. They also proclaim "other photos will not be deemed credible"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'easiest that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, can we get Biden, Obama, and Pelosi arrested and carted off the hague before they start enacting unconstitutional rules on guns outside of congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's an internal matter, Tiggger... we don't need the Hague'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well oddly, the only way the indictments could be acted on IS if it was dealt with internally - the international community don't have the balls to call for their arrest, it would take the army to do it, or their own parties'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of which.... did anyone else think that Obama sounded like a six year old who didn't get a pony for Christmas whe he was addressing his crushing guncontrol defeat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I didn't notice anything unusual'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oh, wait..'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter, he's already pulling shit with all this malarchy surrounding vets and people on meds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and drying up the ammo market by putting stupid orders in with DHS'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would think that might just stimulate future ammo market'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't done because there isn't the capacity to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a highly regulated industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh my GOD!  It's the end of the world!  Texas got bombed and nobody was hurt!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'seriously? yes it is good news no one got hurt but bombings aren't something funny. people can still get traumatized.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'weak minded, always-the-victim nancy-boys get traumatized.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you are an ass vonliege if you really think that is the case'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'children get scarred for life, almost losing your life can give soldiers ptsd'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"trauma" as you put it is like lower-back pain... an excuse to bilk the system for money you don't deserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just have to laugh at it this time, though.  It's the biggest pile of flaming poo in the world, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who the hell is talking about bilking the system? i asked him to be sympathetic and not joke about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Texas does everything big.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why don't you get on a plane for texas, light a candle and sing kumya'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'seriously? vonliege you are an embarrassment'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sympathetic... people like you are just waiting for your next chance to be a victim... and if you can't be one, you look for someone else who should/can be a victim and say "don't be such a meanie"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we need less sympathy, and more grit... less bleeding hearts and more stoicism... you get offended because someone makes a crack about something that didn't even happen to you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll bet when the wtin towers fell, you were absolutly beside youself with pity for the islamic extremist that we MUST have offended'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And I bet YOU wonder why people don't really like you offline :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"the race is on and here comes Pride in the backstretch, Heartache's movin' to the inside..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'anyone up for civil debate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, good, I can now have gay sex in Montana without being arrested.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme see... what's chapping my arse today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I know... "No Child Left Behind"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's talk about that!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd rather shove broken glass up my ass and sit in a tub of Tobasco(TM) sauce'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't sound so bad... what kind of Tobasco?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pick something'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have observed that America's classrooms are filled with children who either A) way to dumb to be in the classes they are in, or B) desparate to learn the next thing because they have been twidling their thumbs for days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'teachers are spending most of their time catering to the dumb children and dragging them along while the smart children are made to 'hold up."'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'People (or in this case children) have always been this way. They aren't any dumber today than in past decades. The only difference is the level of media saturation surrounding the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'media saturation plays a part, to be sure... and you are correct - the spread of "smarts" is likely unchanged... what HAS changed is the way society has been fooled into approaching it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'And as far as ignorance goes, today's children are far less ignorant of... just about everything. Carrying around a higher level of generalized knowledge isn't easy and doesn't come without a cost'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the current philosophy is that EVERY child deserves a chance - what that has been translated into is that every child will graduate to the next level'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the model does not allow for is that some children are just dumb...  stupid, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which doesn't really matter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and those children need to be taught how to use a shovel - but instead, we are trying to prepare them for college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, but they'll end up with a shovel anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AFTER we blow a ton of classroom time and tax-payer mony on them... and no, they will end up with food stamps, rather than a shovel'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after being told their whole life that they are "winners", and that they can go to college, they can not lower themselves to the "shovel" job - so they chose not to work - and the current entitelment program allows them to do that... comfortably.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'furthermore... there is the notion that we need to lower the standards of universities and colleges.  This will only serve to delay the reality for these dumb children.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatly, these dumb children are going to be looking for the job that gets them a Mustang and a house in the burbs... when the people with money chose not to give their dumb asses a job, they guy with the money is made to be the bad guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so the objection here is we "waste" money on kids who we should just admit as dumb as rocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to put it harshly, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather we should be preparing them for the jobs that they CAN do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT will take a little money'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the money would not be wasted'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I would disagree with the idea that children shouldn't be given a chance to exceed their obvious potential'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'whether that is an expensive task or not is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has to be a limit to how much it cost... how much is it worth?  you can't say "priceless", because there's not THAT MUCH money in the treasury.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of the smart children who are being held back?  don't they deserve to realize their full potential?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatley, it's the smart children that are going to do the most for the rest of us, so we should be backing them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how about we limit the cost to somewhere around the salary of the highest paid professional sports player'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'per student'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a different (but valid) debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The standards for university degrees had to be lowered, otherwise it would be possible for everyone go get them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh? You asked how much, that's how much'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, wouldn't!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where it IS valid is for that dumb child that shows a potential to BE a mega-sports star.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no no I'm not debating sports'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm giving you an amount'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is what you asked for'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'roger'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there enough money for that?  there are ALOT of dumb children out there'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we could just give them the resources they need, whatever that may be - $1 or $1,000,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't have that much money'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the limited amount of money dictates that we prioritize'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes, we should prioritize in favor of our children'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'instead of other things'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. again, a slightly different debate, but I will grant that we could spend... say - twice as much... that's still not going to get all the dumb children mustangs'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who said anything about mustangs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did,... but let me ask what your goal would be if you COULD spend ten or twenty times as much... the dumb child will still be dumb'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, but we gave them a chance to be more'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'with thew right program and maybe meds or whatever, they might succceed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can buy a lottery ticket for a chance at millions... still doesn't make it a sound investment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's the right amount of 'chance' to give?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '1 try? 2?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's sort of the debate, Red'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that kind of detail is what we'd have to work out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can't have a meaningful debate without clarifying your positions'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'my position is kids - even the dumb ones - should have a chance'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right now, the national (US) average spent per student is about $11,500 per year.  Of that, 72% is spent on "special needs" prgrams which include everthing from autistic children to dumb-kid-tutoring...'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so how do you define dumb and chance?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the parameters of that aren't something I am qualified to state'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... me either'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but just because I'm not an expert doesn't make the point less valid'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what I know is what I see... and I see teachers spending most of their time in class kicking dumb-kid-butt to get them up to a standard that will allow the whole class to proceed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the problem with lack of clearly defined positions means you might both agree if the positions were clarified'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'eg that example vonliege just said, perhaps that dumb kid already had 10 chances'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that I actually disagree with. if the dumb kids are holding back the smart ones, get them into a different class'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe that's enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vise.. whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's just look at it from the smart-kid perspective... how can we justify holding them back - not spending quality teaching time with them - and withholding exceptional programs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you want to teach everyone you either need a huge education budget or you're gonna have to cut corners'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah-HA!... and there, my friend, is the PROBLEM!.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously Redryn, if your goal is just to nitpick, you could do that elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dumb children MUST be taught alongside smart children... it's in the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are special needs classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those are in addition to the mainstream classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not INSTEAD of mainstream classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they are conducted separately'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dumb children spend most of their day mixed in with the smart ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then we change the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there ARE exceptions... special institues for dumb AND smart children... but most of them are private, and not applicable to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vouchers'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we change the rules... we agree on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'get them into private institutions if necessary'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and here's were we transition into a slightnly NEW debate.... how do we administer that equitably?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well as equal as we can, since nothing truly is'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but again - I'm not an expert. You get the best people you can on the problem and hammer something out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In the extreme scenario, you give the $11,000 cash to the parents and say "YOU get your kid an education"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but in that scenario, the dumb children will not get accepted to the prestigious schools - the ones where the parents use the $11500, and at another $10,000 of their own money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at=add'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well again it shouldn't be counted in the thousands'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but millions'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless football players are worth more than our kids anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you'd see a supply rising to demand... if every child got a $1,000,000 vouvher for education, then tuition would be set at $1,000,001'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'price controls'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we (the taxpayers) would be pissing money down an over inflated industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... not really appropriate to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's not like THAT doesn't happen like ever :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know I know, unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'personally I think corporations should be investing in educating kids. After all they are the ones who need the labor'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'skilled or unskilled'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would really like to see scoiety accept the fact that not every child is smart enough for college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think that's something we don't accept'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not every kid DOES go to college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as that notion exists as sacred, corperate america will not invest'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and many drop out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh bullshit, corporate America will not invest in something they aren't guaranteed a return on'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I am not allowed to say "you are just dumb, and you need to accept the fact that you will not be a rocket scientist"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'again - we change the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and coperate america will not invest in something where they don't set the rules, either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I don't know why it's necessary... kids drop out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that won't change'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - kids drop out.  and that's not MY fault, but current sentiment is that I (me) have somehow failed that child - which is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you waste time crying about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND I waste tax money paying for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not sure what it is you're looking for... just the ability to say "hey stupid, no college for you!" without being bitched at by the optimists of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah well I waste tax money on stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'welcome to the real world'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that's a bit of it... I just see things the way I see them, and it's pretty clear what needs to happen - but it's not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're getting a bit hostile'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not my intent'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just pointing out you aren't alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and just because you don't like something is no reason to change it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, if I see something as being horribly broken, I have to try and change it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the problem is you may see it as broken, but maybe I don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we can both see what's coming out of the end of the pipe'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point remains - maybe I like what comes out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider yourself as contributing to their PK stats'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I guess that's as good as any a place to wrap up the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pk stats?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischanned'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was ment for ctalk'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah, okay that explains why I'm confused :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway we actually agree on a great deal here'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'need to go make a pan of brownies for my average  children'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'catch you next time'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'put pot in them'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boston bombers, extremely proficient under-cover terrorists, or were they patsies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'disillutioned punks is my guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the tweets, facebook, and friends it doesn't seem like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's the most reliable source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could just be a combination of confirmation bias and heads down'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they were bright kids with bright futures, and friends are saying they never gave any hints that they were wanting to do this'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've seen those reports, yes... but as they say... "it's always the quiet ones"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and friends are -always- going to say that'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like they're going to say "my best mate was a terrorist"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider their ethnicity, academic environment, geographical location... '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you KNOW they were getting an earful in the classroom'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that? he was a medical student'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the same as you read about every day.. even on "infowars"... the acedemic bias against the right - about how evil the US is... how EVIL the right is... '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't answer that, i don't know what your schools are like'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, inner city schools here are filled with people exactly like him'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural schools here would be kind and welcoming'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our "institutes of higher education" are general brain-washing stations for the liberal left.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news is that we won't know unless classified files get leaked'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only in America can a self-proclaimed terrorist/freedom fighter get a job at a university teaching children.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i seriously doubt you'll see CNN and NBC offering apologies for saying it was a pro-gun teaparty nutjob'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all of the media tends to run pretty free and fast with the facts these days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only when you observe a broad spectrum of information sources can you hope to glean a little bit of the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why i try and look at a lot of different news sources and aggregators'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tend to nod my head more when I listen to Fox news... but they spin the holy crap outa the facts as good as the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no reason to discard a media source just because it's biased, provided you understand the bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i even watch Russia Today from time to time - it's the only place you find middle eastern news'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just don't -get- middle east news on any of the US or UK channels'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watch RA'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DO get irate when flat out lies are presented as fact, though.  That's not "bias".. that's just lying.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that happens an awful lot though'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more now than ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'must be the lamestream media!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lying is the new "truth"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far the only person in the media that has "dissed" these two is the uncle'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'father of the suspects claims secret service set them up ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would so love that to be true'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wishful thinking, methinks'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would not.  My nation does not need that kind of drama'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of sad, really... it's been 6 years since he even logged on'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mistell'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like saying "Ford is better than chevy"... or "my dad can ckick your dad's ass"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'my dad CAN kick your dad's ass'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd hope so... dead people don't put up much of a fight'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'OH, my dad is dead too. I was going to say he would be a ghost and ethereal'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was so.... wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... how's the administration going to handle this?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Poorly, as usual.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"this" being the inconvienience of a live terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will be a bit of a pickle for obama... his muslim pals will be clammoring for amnesty'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why do you assume he is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because he killed people with bombs, and caused terrot'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I cause terror with my beastly appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aledgedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if we've got a domestic terrorist, the only obvious solution is to start a war with ourself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two strikes in the stupid department... not hanging around for strike three'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so if you go into an elementary school with automatic weapons and kill 26 people your a murderer but if you kill 3 with a bomb you are terrorist. Makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'well yeah that about sums it up'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can empty your life savings into his defense fund, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A terrorist is someone who does something in order to cause terror.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Someone who runs into a school to kill 26 people does because they are loonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mentally unstable vs organized crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you can wipe out 13 in a high school for no other reason that you are pissed off and forgot to take your meds, and you will not be accused of terrorism. I wonder if they now what terrorism means.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm meds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'they blame the guns not the people'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or go into a movie theatre and do the same thing. Of course, it is hard to imagine that the people of Aurora, CO would now be afraid to go to the movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I don't think anyone knows if this bomber is a terrorist or not. The motivations for the crime still aren't known, are they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think the bomber was just bored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'He/she/it may be a terrorist. But so were the other mass murderers of recent history. If you are going to call one terrorist, then call all  terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will defer his status as a "terrorist" until they establish one critical aspect of the definition of terrorist - Did he have a political motivation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Was about to type that lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if he did this for anything remotely political, then it is - by definition - terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If he didn't, then he's just another public murderer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, with congress threatening to cut the pentagon budget, it is nice that someone fo Russian decent peformed an act of "terrorism". Very convenient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In general, terrorists have a political or social goal they are trying to accompl.... yeah. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, that terrorism is not a function of its agenda, it's the act itself that is terroristic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anaristos, you aren't saying the government bombed Boston, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe he is'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anaristos, I don't think that's how it works, but you're free to define the word however you see fit, i suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if after I kill people in a movie theatre and cause people to be afraid to go to the movies, I am a terrorist. Politics notwithstanding.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as you keep that definition in your own twisted little universe... right next to your unicorn and sack of faerie dust'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey!  Leave my unicorn faerie dust out of this!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, obviously you don't understand terrorism. You think terrorism was invented to annoy the US. Terrorism has been part and parcel of humanity since they were eating dirt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Not trying to be a jerk, but the dictionary  says terrorism is "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think anybody was saying terrorism is just for US soil, Anaristos...'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to terrorist means to cause terror. Terror means fear. Period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'intended fear'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why don't you call the Columbine murderers terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if its all the same to you, Anaristos, we'll use the dictionaries definition, rather than yours'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Well, genreally speaking, the dictionary is the place where we store the meanings of the words, so i'll go with the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like to make up meanings of words when it helps my personal false arguments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The columbine shooters didn't have a larger goal. They weren't trying to get anything by scaring people. They were just insane mass-murderers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't understand terrorism, then. You think that terrorism has to be political, because that's how it is pushed to be in this country. If a man goes around a the city raping women he is committing terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'No, he's commiting rape.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anaristos... the definition of terrorist: A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't believe me, ask the women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noegel?  is he right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And a nice completion: terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terror means fear, if you want to curtail what fear is go ahead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so let's accept your definition. How is the Boston person a terrorist then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'All acts that incite terror in people aren't terror. Are people who make scary movies terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Causing fear for the fuck of it is different than causing fear to further your politcal viewpoints.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Boston is not an act of terrorism until his motivations are made clear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, tell that to those who fear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hey!  since were making up definitions... Anaristos, noun - dork, idiot, stupid, uninformed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So Stephen King is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, he is not. I am sure you are not simple enough to go that route, Fawlty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'He causes terror though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In my pants!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, what??'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so where DO you draw the line, Anaristos?  does someone have to die, or is pissing your pants close enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I have to start simple. We'll build up. Right now, i'm just trying to establish the point that causing terror, in and of itself, isn't terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I concure'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are deluded enough to believe that King's prose describes reality the yes, you can call him a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Did the Boston bombing cause "terror?"  Yes.  But did the bomber intend to cause terror in order to prove his politcal viewpoints?  Who knows?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Motivation is an important aspect of defining someone as a terrorist. That's the crux of the point. For instance, the rapist may inspire terror, but that likely isn't his motivation. His motivation is likely sexual fulfillment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jury is still out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Therefore, the Boston Bombing is not a terroristic act of violence as of right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically.. the jury hasn't been selected yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like that, Noegel :) You are saying that one who causes terror is not a terrorist. So the women in a community with a loose rapist should not feel terror. Because the language doesn't allow that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A terrorist has a definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so let me rephrase the original question:  How is the administration going to deal with a LIVE captured mass-hooligan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Fedaral law allows for capital punishment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Von, this depends on a number of factors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski   <--- Kaczynksi might be a good example?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my gut says he gets a deal to give up his fellow hooligans'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does Massachusetts anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"Federal Hooligans"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fellow hooligans? How many are there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... ya... FEDRAL hooligans'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't know yet... might be zero'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I feel like a federal hooligan sometimes :'('
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if there are no others who is he going to give up to get leniency? '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then he's screwed like a pooch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none... he gets the chair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless obama steps in'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am going to bet that the US government will use this to begin the cold war again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I prefer the whole death at dawn sentence, but call me old fashioned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rolls on the floor laughing at SnailBot Anaristos's antics!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe ("I" being just me, myself and "I") that obama has a TREMENDOUS tight wire to walk in the upcomming months... he will be under enormous preasure from his muslim associates to get him off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are running out of places to  stow the armed forces. Iraq is not good enough anymore and they are gettting to the same point in Afghanistan. You have to keep the little beavers busy. This will  justify the missile shield that the US wants to deploy in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DONOT see this going russia vs US... this is more of a Muslim vs Christian issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'an eye for an eye the guy deserves to die nothing more nothing less'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'notice how the media keeps mentioning the fact that Chechnya supports a rather large Moslem population. They are setting up the stage.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because if this was an act of terrorism, the obviously Moslems were behind it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they ARE the usual suspect when there is terrorism... if it is indeed terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the first thing they did after the bombing is to find the first ME looking guy and arrest him :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like a duck - walks like a duck....'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the usual suspects? Sure, because everyone knows that if you are a Moslem you are a terrorist. McNichols was a Muslem wasn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but wait! The Oklahoma city bombing wasn't an act of terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that allowd him to be a Protestant then :) Wow, that was close.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel goes BOOM!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course  terrorists always use bombs, I saw the movie too :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel slaps Anaristos and goes big boom boom!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'every time I see some human from the middle east walking near me I start to look for cover.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'learn that from the movie!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow, that's pretty racist lol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, I saw the movie. Didn't you? When was the last time they showed a terrorist from this part of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know.  Don't care either, as long as the movie is entertaining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I am glad you finally realize that the idea of terrorism in the US is not too far off racism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Terrorist does not equal racism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flips off debate... or does she??
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so why did they arrest that middle eastern guy right after the bombing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the common denomemator for violence is not a shoe, or a pair of underware.  It is not a gun or a grenade or even a pressure cooker - it is a person with intent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'underwhere? Underthere!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I make what is perhaps the single most profound statement of my life (at least for today), and you snipe my spelling?  <weep> =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well... ok. That's like saying the sky is blue, we all know that :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was leading, though... the real point is that we need to look at PEOPLE... as in profile the crap out of them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, maybe. Although, perhaps we (you) should look one step further, at the cause of actions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'd be moving aways from a common denominator, then... we'd be branching out into religion, social experience, geography... the scope quickly becomes too big, again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like all you want to do is justify your right to carry weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just like you can't by safe from violence by getting rid of guns and pressure cookers, you can be safe from violence by getting rid of religion or russia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to know one thing, why is it terrorism when some insane person bombs people in boston, but anti-terrorism when some other insane person bombs civilians in pakistan and afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... I want to get away from this politically correct notion that looking, smelling, walking and talking like a violence-doer isn't grounds enough for someone to look at you as a potential violence-doer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno... why does the first person to go to the cops after 'a consentual sexual encounter gone wrong' get to cry rape?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only if it's a female.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while mostly true, there is precedent for it going the males way... as long as he gets to the cops first'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When was the last time a woman got convicted for raping a man? Has it ever happened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'especially if there is alcohol involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it falls more into the catagory of 'sexual harasment''
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My point about our previous discussion is that I am more inclined to blame the US foreign politics for the terrorism and violence than the actual presence of guns. Although I don't think people carrying guns is a good thing, it's probably not the main cause of the large amounts of mass murderers and terrorism in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or to put it another way... sweden has not had any external terrorism since the 70s, until now... when we joined the war in afghanistan. Correlation? Maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, they use diesel tractors to harvest sea salt in northern cali :('
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'whats wrong with harvesting sea salt in northern cali?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you got something against sea salt?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cargil Corp is the largest supplier of sea salt in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes 5 years for a sea salt pond to mature enough to be harvested....they have dozens of ponds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of their salt ends up in food products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty cool though....each harvest produces a 100 foot tall mountain of sea salt'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GMO of the world Unite!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does the COSTCO pond have a sign that says "We recommend that you eat no more than one fish per month from this pond"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but you can get 100 fish on just one license.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sweet'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly hard to "catch and release" there, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Smoked Chicken and Jalapeno Sausage and a box of Zatarains Jambalaya mix, cooked on the Deadwood Stove, from the deadwood stove company of Texas......'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what about the costco fish... tell us what you used for bait?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 22 year old blonde.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't you mean a 17 year old blond?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, 22'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so not "jail bait"'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to leave the jail bait for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So....CISPA passed the US Senate yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Gucci only exists to support north african immigrants selling ripoff versions in european squares'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'been to rome recently, huh Arnica?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'profiling'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is good'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and saves time and lives'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion is straight up murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that wasn't much of a debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on a whole sale scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'murder is a legal term to which abortion does not apply'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Does somebody want to abort my fetus for 10 tps'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'define murder:  The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Murder need not be premeditated.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I belive an unborn child is a human'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is semen a human being?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But abortion is lawful, therefore not murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Noegel pretty much said it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Soooo 10 tps!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being human has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's killing babies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i'd do it for 10 tps...'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sweet!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'a fetus isn't a baby'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unborn babies are humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But not babies!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '50% of all black pregnancies end in abortion in the united states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the other half end up in prison ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'and probably about the same % of whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abortion is killing unborn humans... if you want to stick to the flimsy fact that it's "legal", then shame on you'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'or do you not have that statistic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I personally don't support abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'but my tps?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and 99% of all down syndrome children are aborted in the united states. These bitch ass self serving "mothers" won't have any baby that isn't "perfect"'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too late, I already aborted it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kashra (
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a test for down syndrome now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anybody want some quesadillas?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a fetus near term can be said to be human, to apply the term to a blastocyst is stretching the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'calling abortion "killing" is fine. Calling it "murder" is not. Definitions have a point otherwise why use them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can find out if it is a downy in the first month or less.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I use Downy in my laundry'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I use Downy Jr'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Riz and as a result most of them are aborted now'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'makes your clothes potato fresh eh'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turnip fresh'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, just juicy'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the people who were against abortion spent as much energy, time, and money supporting down sydrome charities they would have a better effect'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Twyst person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i think giving birth is murder, it's going to die some day'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'XD'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in socilist German, if you chose to carry a defective child to birth, you do so entirely at your own expense - no medical insurance paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is there is a reason why you used the word "socialist"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm not against abortion clinics being legal. Thats not the problem. The problem is society and the type of people that use abortion as a method of birth control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in capitilist America it is okay to bag on someone for aborting a down syndrome baby and simultaneously bag on them for being a "taker" if they dont'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when socialisted medicine comes to america, poor peopel will never be able to know the love of an imperfect child'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no doubt that people in the US are borderline bipolar :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the "problem" are antagonists who falsely try to claim there are "groups" of people using abortion as a form of birth control'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that is not necessarily untrue, Onsluaght.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday we will have genetically modified humans, it is the next step after plants and animals which we already do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't see anything wrong with that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither do I'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if it cures a lot of problems'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and then someone will game the system by hiring a genetically desirable person who happens to be partially or totally paralyzed to provide genetic samples for them so they can function in society'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well I'm not against crappy women who arent woman enought to be a mother choosing not to have a child. I mean their gonna suck ass at it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what will be the problem is that some governments will use the technology militarily. In fact, I am willing to be that when the general public has the technology available is because the government has released an amended protocol from their military applications.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like the microwave oven :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Tang'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or dehydrated foods'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually it IS untrue. No one uses abortion as a form of birth control. Aside from being functionally inefficient, expensive, painful, and just plain stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'wasn't that the plot of Gattaca'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of a man's right to choose?  his right to hold HIS child - a right that is denied him because the woman can't be bothered to carry the child to term?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's also extremely rare to find a provider'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I once held a child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eugenics is a fact, Onslaught. It is also a fact that there are groups out there that want to institute a eugenics program. Euthanasia is a tool of eugenics.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I should elaborate further Onslaught. People do use abortion when other methods of birth control fail. When just keeping your nasty legs closed is a far better birth control method.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But hey, babies have to die so some self serving woman can skank it up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe you have forgotten Hitler. Do you think he is the only one ever to think along those lines? The fact that he did it crudely doesn't mean that is idea wasn't appealing to some. Even here in the US, some admired his goals if not his methods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'So women don't use abortion as a form of birth control, they use it when forms of birth control fail...'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah that makes sense, oddly enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hear about that couple that paid a woman money to have their child for them?  The child ended up being extremely disabled with lots of major problems while developing, so the parents wanted it aborted, but the hired woman said no and had the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'luckily Plan B will B (har har) available to everyone soon'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'abortion is a method of brith control. The aborted fetus is not birthed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kid required major surgeries that taxpayers got to pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone suggested the kid be aborted, but the birth mom said no, she ended up putting the kid up for adoption.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, and miscarriages are nature's form of birth control'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mother Nature ain't having none of this *miscarriage*'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'SO! What about the man's right to choose?  his right to hold HIS child - a right that is denied him because the woman can't be bothered to carry the child to term?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't like abortion, and probably would never get one but what is the actual problem with abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw a 60 minutes show which feature a husband/wife pair in the UK who were genetically defective and had over a 90% chance to pass their defects to their offspring. Yet they refused to avoid pregnancy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'men can choose another woman willing to give him control of her body'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is an interesting way to look at it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his child is in HER body'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HIS child'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no his or her child is their child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or THEIR child, if you prefe'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Vonliege you have a point'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is just a convenience, Vonliege. It is possible now to implant paused embyros in other animals other than humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if men want kids, they find women willing to have kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but that is not the argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am talking about AFTER the "ooops" moment when he finds out the woman is pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'procreation is an  living entity's highest drive. At least on this planet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he doesn't own her or the fetus regardless of whose DNA is involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that argument isn't related to whether abortion should or shouldn't be legal'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to genetically change a chicken to have pigs in their egg.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is more a question of parental rights/responsibilities and men vs women in that context'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be cool'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'soon as someone invents a working artificial womb, I'll be willing to say men have a right to request a transplant to that womb in the case of a woman who wants an abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon and eggs in 1 package.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FATHER (remember?  it takes two?) should have a say-so as to about if his child will be killed'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'parental rights/responsibilities are social constructs. Humans can do the right thing instinctively.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but then women have it both ways Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Vonliege if there is a "child" involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'either men/women are equally responsible for making decisions and supporting the baby'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or they aren't'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is the thing, abortion is obviously natural or it wouldn't be able to occur. You are discussing a position that is not supported by natural processes. If abortion had been removed by nature, this planet, even this solar system, would not be big enough to hold all humanity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the woman decides to have the child when the man wants to kill it, he's dang sure going to be ordered to pay child support when the child is born'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you are arguing to ban abortion where both parents dont agree? or in all cases?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being a man is soooo unfair in this world'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'be honest'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in all cases... but where both parties don't agree would be a start'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it isn't necessarily unfair Onslaught, but it is one sided some times'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I donate a kidney to you, I don't have the right to tell you what to do with it later'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you live in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"nonsense" is perhaps the single most un-compelling argument I have ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I donate sperm and you get pregnant, I don't have a right to tell you what to do with that fetus'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Selling my aborted fetus 2tp'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you then have a right to hit me up for child support?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mischan meant for barter'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, technically, men are mutated females. You can say that nature intended females to be primary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is not really a fair or unfair issue, just one sided'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can SAY that... but it didn't happen, for whatever reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'honestly as far as child support goes, I probably have far more disagreement with those laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but as I have no real issue taking care of my own child, it's far from something I worry about'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You ever find that good deal at 7 eleven yet in san antonio ?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, no'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Shell by house here in my village gives you a free candy bar for donating $1 or more to a diabetes foundation'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought it was funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bank here gives you a free overdraft if you buy a $5 candy bar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you never get close to overdrafting, can you opt for the free $20?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'over drafting is dumb, but they way banks are run where they cause you to overdraft for no logical reason is worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'how do banks cause you to overdraft?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'placing unnecessary holds on deposits, whether cash or check'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'processing withdrawals before deposits in the same time frame'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who here enjoys pop weaver extra butter microwave popcorn ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meee'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pop weaver rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never been to Texas, but I believe it's my adopted home'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wins "one of the least shittiest places on the world to live"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've only been to Texas once.  I'd just suggest staying away from Illinois'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if I could convince my wife to move I'd get out of here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illinois doesn't sound too good, especially with people being arrested and having life sentances sought for videoing (from a distance) cops beating people up'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Illinois is a mess of a state'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean,we give California a run for their money'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tigernuts, don't those cases in Illinos end up being dropped? I heard that they have but they could be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but yes, there's a lot of wonky things here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if there's political pressure for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's just a shame that those laws are even on the books here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Basically police in IL try to arrest people videotaping based on "wiretapping" laws. It's total bullshit and it does not hold up in court AFAIK. But at the end of they day they still arrest you and destroy your video.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I usually melt the people and arrest the tapes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of them, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and every time such a ruling is struck down, the state declares "we don't care, we'll continue arresting people for it"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well noone has yet gotten a life sentance for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the people that can fight it usually get them thrown out'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it kinda not really the point that nobody has gotten a life sentance for it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should not be being arrested or even threatened with arrest for this'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you take someone out of the situation and release them later, or on appeal, you've prevented the filming'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's a form of intimidation, which is something that shouldn't be occuring'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I logged in the middle of this debate, but I don't mind being recorded at work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I'm doing my job correctly, it won't end up on YouTube! :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know it's not the point. It's bullshit anyway you look at it. IL police clearly have reasons for not wanting to be filmed. '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the insulting part is two fold, not only should their actions be public record, but these filmings usually take place in a public space'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anywhere else in the country some cops might get annoyed, but they do not go out of their way to bust you for doing it. Because they can't. IL courts  have clearly enabled IL police to break the law for their own gain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that being said, every now and again you'll find out that one of the people filming was being an idiot and getting into the crime scene and interfering with the arrests or whatnot, so in those cases, I kind of understand the police reaction'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but the ones where people are standing back and filming, there's no excuse for harassing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'There is no law that says you can't heckle the police either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but you can't interfere with their job'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always more to the story that what is reported by this side or that side.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, every now and again you'll find out that the person filming was being an ass and basically trying to get arrested'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that being said... I really don't WANT to know what's in my hotdog, if you know what I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was watching 'How it's Made', and they showed how hotdogs are made'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just want it to taste good... and not actually kill me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on the one hand, the meat wasn't as bad as you'd think, but the process was worse than you'd think'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... hotdogs are nasty... and justice is messy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is messy with her hotdogs.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I eat hotdogs, and I believe justice is generally... well... just.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'probably more often than not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's not really good enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but, I suppose, historically, it's improved'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So the FBI is urging people to only look at their sources about the Boston bombing. SOmething they don't want us to see or what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't want you to be distracted by all the private security running drills that they'd already lied and said weren't happening'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact of the matter is that these two guys are almost certainly involved, question is, who radicalised them, and will it turn out like most of the footsteps that they walk in, that the feds were involved in recruiting them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17830619-lawmakers-want-more-surveillance-on-the-ground-and-in-the-sky?lite'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's such bull, they have tons of surveillance on the ground and in the sky'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more cameras than people'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's kind of scary, and people always react with their gut, so right now, it sounds like a good idea, but it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can never be kept safe on the streets, not fully, you can only mitigate that risk, and you could -never- have enough surveillance and security to reduce that risk to 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was that founder quote about trading your liberty for security?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's headlines like that that make me think that Orwell really might have been onto something'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, something like, 'if you're willing to trade your liberty for security, in the end you'll have neither'.  or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Benjamin Franklin'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though apparently that's a paraphrasing of what he said, but the idea is correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's paraphrased a lot, but that's the idea behind all of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'all I know is that there's drones flying around'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what society has done? And by the way, CISPA passed, sack your congressman now'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that doesn't seem to make a lot of people nervous'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the senate passed CISPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senate are mostly a bunch of dumbarses, though they did twig that if they passed the gun laws, they'd be out of a job. Perhaps they thought they could get away with CISPA because most people didn't know what it meant'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, man, this is so appropriate - http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-conspiracy-theory-flowchart-they.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'enjoy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'great ideas for trolling debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll see your link, and raise you a http://www.wauwel.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/IPad-cartoon1.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give crispian-jago 9/10 for comedy, 1/10 for understanding the genre, and would suggest that he go back, along with his supporters, to being apologists for corrupt and/or epically incompetent governance and generally fucking up the world for the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'with 2(x + 3)^2 would you multiply the bracket out first or multiply the 2 in first then multiply out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power of 2 first'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You would follow the order of operations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there a debate in there somewhere/'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Vonliege into action!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be nice'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be obvious why you'd come to debate for help with calculus'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i come here because the smart people are here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even try it... I'm not leaving just because I aren't smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts tickles Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you said that yourself not me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you want to debate just how smart I aren't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no response?  then that settles it... I aren't smart - just like I said'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Vonliege is the smartest dude ever!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'save bitchiness for the enemy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'll need to supply a source for that, Noegle'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you look up wikipedia under Vonliege the Great you can find out'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides myself, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, cooking rabbit on a deadwood stove.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dang.. you foind the wikipage about me... that's open source, you know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was getting silly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Also, my personal site at www.hahhhvahd.edu/noegelthebeast/vonliege.html you will find more information on my studies'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh I will shut up'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does Noegal stand for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Noegel is a German surname.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Noegel or however you spell it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it pronounced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Last name of my ex lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No gull'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'noegel stands for justice and freedom for all'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you pronounce the german surname Boehner?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck if i know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd pronounce it bayner'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats an odd way to say i8'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would, but how SHOULD it be pronounced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'boner?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Humbler person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The last name Noegel should be Nay gehl but has been americanized over the yeara, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what do i win?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you win a boner, Humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'awww. can i have a tp instead?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, the socialists have impoverished me of tp'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what kind of weirdo names their mudchar after their ex's surname?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ME!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Me me me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lead us through the thought process'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wasn't an ex at the time.  Plus, never met a noegel so I figured it would be a good name'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your take on the efforts to enslave the 99% and make everyone live in a virtual prison?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anybody watching the sniper documentaries on History right now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Everyone seems solemn when talking about killing, except this one dude who talks like a psycho'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get that channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch very little tv'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I watch history on the weekends when they actually show history stuff and not reality shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kindest thing Economists should be used for is some form of replacement to cock fighting'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that birdfighting or swordfighting? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyers, judges, cops and hair dressers, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be either'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i got my degree in econometrics tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Devious thoughts fill your head as you whip out your 8=L=E=G=O=D=I=C=K=D!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'bachelors*'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that a similar degree to applied bullshit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see there, Tigerballs... you personnaly attacked Humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'nope, not close'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is a personal attack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what0'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's an economist... you implied that they are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are, for the most part'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humbler has me on ignore, so this is very confusing to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he's an econometrist'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or is it econoterrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooo a terrorist with budget-friendly explosives!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but the reason i mentioned it is that i studied micro and macroeconomic theories'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they don't all have bin ladin's billion dollar bankroll...'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Now terrorism is accessible to even the middle-income families!  Thanks, Humbler!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'lol. whatchu talkin about willis, noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Willis??'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'uhhh... omg, kids these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '80's sitcom reference,,, you know - the one where the female protagonist OD in real life?  dana plato?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJd1RktjYTU'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who left the gate open?! the teenagers wandered in. they're like animals that cry and smile'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wails miserably.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was born in 1988.  :('
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is more trustworthy with economics, teenagers, or trained economists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats a loaded question tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you arent really asking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on who the teenagers parents are, and who the economist works for'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'there both untrustworthy the economist is gonna make everything look all good and the teenagers will just be teenagers'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'they're'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'in canada its spelt there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'no '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'in Canada, is it's spelt its?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'man your smart vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'in canada its too cold to worry about apostrophes'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'our keyboards dont have punctuation marks'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do have a button dedidated to the word "eh"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'punctuation is over-taxed in socialist canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they are thirty years behind on technology. they interact with punch cards.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'my commodore 64 plays aard nicely whatchtalking about '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'sec i gotta go feed my dogs or ill never get to work later'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would the fbi post hidef photos of the boston bombers and appeal for the public to help identify them, when the fbi knew already who (one of them) they were and had bin tracking him for years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because they didn't know he was the bobmer, they just suspected him as a potential terror agent'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not relevent, they knew who he was, so why ask for help id'ing him'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they would still know his name and face'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Humbler person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's probably because obama is born in kenya and is trying to hide that he's a muslim. amirite? *nodself*'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prolly cuz the guy that had the Boston pix wasn't in any way involved with the guys who had been monitoring the guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think as soon as they got the pics from the cams, they posted them.  They didn't wait to cross check against thousands of images in their FBI database.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could be, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean the fbi is a bunch of incompetents, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so while "The FBI" knew who he is, the guy posting the pic didn't know who he was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here's something for you - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NUv7tx-DOTQ/UXKqqtaZ7CI/AAAAAAAAEoA/07uueHMiSJ4/s1600/Crispian%27s+Conspiracy+Flowchart.png'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean that the FBI is a rather huge organization with hundreds of thousands of concurrent operations, and everyone in that organization doesn't know each and every one of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-terrorism is a specialist and centralised division, abe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teh first thing they would have/should have done after picking out the suspects would be to cross-reference them with known people on the watch list'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what aren't you happy about, nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think they posted the pics publicly ASAP so the public could help ID them.  no point in waiting to be able to some out with a name.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not happy that your line of defence against terrorists are a bunch of witless wonders'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of that was probably happening concurrently or started v. soon after'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pictures had been online for 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'can't really stop someone making those kind of bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you can't, no amount of surveillance and no amount of federal goons can protect you'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'REGISTER PRESSURE CANNERS'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suppose the question is: Yet more FBI incompetence?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so why stress about how competent they are?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'was there any truth to the claim that reddit identified the suspects 12 hours before0the names were announced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'reddit identified everyone with a backpack except for the bombers :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'register backpacks also!  Every school child is a suspect!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'an unstoppable crime was committed, the suspects were caught fairly quickly, end of story?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4chan identified a bunch of people with the backpacks including the suspects'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holy shit, kojiro said something that makes sense :O'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Kojiro, it's the START of the story'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but my question was if it was faster than the fbi'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it end of chapter one'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'so that was an unfounded rumor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next to find out who radicalised them, who knew, why the cell wasn't broken up, who allowed it to go on, and so on'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger, seriously?  4chan ID'd those guys before the pics were made public?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'im curious how their family had no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They just released reports that the younger brother, the one they caught, had been shot in the neck and may not be able to answer questions. My question is, who shot him in the neck?? If he'd been shot in the shootout, how did he get into the boat afterwards?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pics were all public, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'fair point tiger, that's true.  next step is to understand if they were sponsored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'public how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4chan and reddit id'd pretty much everyone with a backpack which isn't much use'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the footage was from the live media feeds of the event, and all the photos published on facebook/other sources, Kojiro, none of the media was 'owned' by the FBI, so why would people need to wait for them to rerelease it to start analysing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how did/can 4chan/reddit ID all these people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are image searching utils out there to do facematching'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but they got names faster than fbi, thats the part im unsure about. is that true?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they wouldn't, but i didn't see that dept store surveillance video until it was posted on the govt sites'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they circled everyone with a backpack at some point. hardly difficult'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bust mostly what the internet sleuths did was identify POSSIBLE suspects and track their movements through all the footage'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nod nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is partly what the fbi would have to do anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collate all the info and start sorting through it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i meant find the names, not circle faces'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are exists facematching software, humbler, though how good it is i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you can track a face back to a bunch of images appearing on a number of facebook profiles, you can figure it out from there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, say for instance if someone was on the terrorist watch list, you might see it on there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i thought fbi tools would be specialized for facematching, what with 911'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it would be a pretty safe assumption to assume that the fbi have tools at least as good as is publicly available on the internet'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger were these kids even on FB?  I only read some russian social site (not FB)'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one at least was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, assume he wasn't, that doesn't mean you can't find out who he is from facebook, you just need photos including him and other people'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Senator Lautenberg looking to introduce legistlation to require background checks for buying black powder '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depressingly predictable'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've gone to central park to see every NYC marathon since 2005.  Skipping this year's.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, you're more likely to die being struck by lightning than suffer at the hands of a bomber at the NYC marathon'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've already been hit by lightning, and those odds might have been true before boston, but I don't think after it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many died from terrorist attacks in the US in the last 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how many terror attacks were there in the last 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reported, verified? at most, 1'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'now that a "winning" method has been executed (from a terror perspective), I have no interset placing myself in the most likely location to replicate it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'isn't there reserach showing mass shootings happen in clumps?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I consider that a form of terror attack'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i've seen, since it clearly doesn't happen in clumps'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass shootings are not a terror attack unless they fulfill specific criteria'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at this data:  looks clumpy enough for me:  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, mother jones'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i dont know the site or the agenda, but there is some data'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't really see any clumping there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger, what made boston a terro attack vs. mass murder?  I didn't see any proclamation for the motive or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism: noun. 1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'question stands.  I have read no public political purpose, except they have backgrounds in islam'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically what the government is currently doing to army vets and certain gun owning sectors of the society is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if their purpose was to engage in jihad, then that is a political agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'seems a lot like a mass murder, just like these shootings, many of which happen 2 months after a previous shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Strictly speaking, that definition makes the NRA a terrorist organization.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes tiger, IF, but there are no facts on that yet, hence i draw no conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has the NRA used violence or the threat of violence to intimidate or co-erce?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than being members of a 12-strong terror cell?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"Buy guns or criminals will MURDER your children in their beds!" <-- Using terror to coerce people, especially in political thought.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger were they?  I stopped reading most once they were caught'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something tells me that's not a quote, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but it's a theme in their rhetoric.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A very blatant one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly so, Kojiro, hence the opening of the question asking why the feds asked for help id'ng them when they had been monitoring him for 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'misrepresentation by the left wing press, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The head of the NRA stood up at a press conference and outright said the only way to stop gn violence is to buy more guns :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'aren't there like 200 million guns in the US already?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be a flawed argument, cuthbert, but it doesn't constitute a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but it constitutes an implication of violence, which despite the convenient belief that implication != promoting a belief, is as good as saying it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but violence is a given, no need to imply it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the NRA had said "we need to shoot all the anti-gun people", then that would be a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying "owning a gun provides you with a better level of protection against armed assailants" is not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'violence will happen. period. saying that it will happen isn't threatening it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whether it does or does not, it is usually wise to take the advice of someone with a vested financial interest in your decision with a huge grain of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take away guns and people will just become more creative and end up killing even more people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans are good at that sort of thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world, Twyst, now go find anyone in business or politics that doesn't have a vested financial or ideological interest. You'll be searching for a loooong time'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debatable'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well then you have to use your judgement as to how ethical that person is and how much integrity they have'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, it isnt the law abiding self protection people with guns who are the problem....it is the unstable people who look for a weapon to hurt people with, be it a bus, a car, a gun, a bomb, a poison, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the answer to the solution was less guns for example, would he recommend it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more specifically, you have to assess the words and motives of these people back through a prism to ascertain the truth'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should also point out, that just because someone has a vested interest, or a bias, doesn't automatically disqualify what they say'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take Kojiro's mother jones link - Motherjones is a hateful extremist left-wing focus group with ties to the white house, doesn't mean that the information in that link isn't accurately collated'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it would cause me to take their analysis with a pinch of Twyst's salt and run it back through a anti-bias filter'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fair enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the fundamental difference between gun proliferation and nuclear proliferation'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except for the physical word "proliferation"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on an individual level there is no difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alright, found some quotes. " Gun-free schools zones tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk" <-- Criminals will kill your children, "[V]iolent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and youve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization." <--- The criminals are coming to get you, "Isnt fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? " <-- Doesn't prove anything, just found it kinda hypocritical.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Kim Jong sung or w/e his name is can lose his mind and nuke my place of residence or my neighbor flips out and shoots me for no reason, I'm just as dead'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't try and bring those arguments up in court, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did someone really just ask what the difference is between proliferation of guns vs. nuclear bombs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that a rhetorical question?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, kojiro, i'm glad my reaction wasn't unique'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and cuthbert, what you see there is sensationalism of the sort used by media to push a point of view, it still doesn't equate to a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way that firing a bubble-making gun doesn't constitute a threat of violence, neither does wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it, neither does eating a poptart into the shape of a gun, and neither does pointing your finger at a playmate and saying "bang"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Um. Yes. Sorry, man, but it does. Implying bad things will happen to you if you don't listen to them may not equate to them personally threatening you, but it is still a threat of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What if the bubbles are filled with chlorine gas'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise a family member saying "we'd best get this cleared up before mother gets home else there'll be hell to pay" would be terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's still pushing a political agenda through the use of fear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a realistic threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's fearmongering, it's just not a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's not a very concise analogy, since we're talking about political agendas, not pushing someone to clean their room.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you touch that stove you will get burnt, that isn't really a threat of violence.  The NRA does use scare tactics, but rarely threats of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ironically fearmongering is about as likely to lead to actual violence as threats are'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA do not have a police of going to schools and shooting kids in order to prove that disarmed schools are unsafe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it is a distinction without difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor have they ever done so'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Believability is a matter of personal interpretation, and whether it's a believable threat hinges on the reactions of the people listening to it. That people earnestly believe it is enough to warrant it as credible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Charlton Heston's you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands was kind of a threat of violence.  (The NRA can't control eveyone on their side.)'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Charlton's comments were not a threat of violence, but a statement of defence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'He will defend himself from the rule of law.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that his right to bear arms will not be infringed'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'constitutional amendments come and go, look at prohibition'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't exactly qualify it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'unless that rule is changed.  If we vote to change laws he will kill people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then ammend it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that he's been dead for a few years, that's unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get the point though'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the point, and it was irrelevent since you can't apply laws that don't exist to statements made years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a thought experiment, the only thing allowing you to say it was a statement of defence is that it was lawful'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it brings up something i've said before - if the anti-gun lobby are so set of screwing with gun ownership, table a constitutional ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was lawful when the statement was made, and it's currently still alwful'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but if you vote to change the law he will kill people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 10-15-30 years from now, I have just invented a fusion gun, hand-held ability to level say an apartment building'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't follow, Malkar'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'constitutionally protected?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty pointless conjecture, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is it pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's multiple hundred years in the future you're thinking'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if at all, ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just trying to illustrate a point though, although the founding fathers were smart and ahead of their time'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they died hundreds of years ago and couldn't have forseen the advances modern technology would bring'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also didn't envisage the complete clusterfuck future generations would make of governance/governing'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how retarded, lazy, and greedy the governed would become'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people haven't changed all that much'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I agree with you Twyst.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, vanna white makes $4 million a year to turn the letters on wheel of fortune....'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she doesn't even turn the letters anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda surprised they still have to manually throw the wheel'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what does she do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does she make bacon banana splits ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the letters are touchscreen now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so she basically stands next to them and points and they change ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hard job!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's been computerized since 1997 :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she's a glorified hostess, really'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she touches them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course she might get arthritis in her elbow from all that pointing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still like the bacon banana split though.....chocolate, blueberry and strawberry ice cream with toppings and real bacon bits.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah and when I went to look up exactly when it was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also found that on april 1 1997, apparently pat sajak and alex trebek traded hosting jobs for the day?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still though, pat sajak makes $8 million a year doing the wheel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha yes, I found it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what hells kitchen does with the badly cooked food.....fed to pigs perhaps ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'throw it out and yell at the aspiring chefs'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should feed it to pigs.....need more bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of the food waste from las vegas casinos and restaurants is shredded, boiled and given to pigs in a huge pig ranch outside of town....the pork is then supplied back to casinos and restaurants.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those vegas piggies eat better then most poor people....lobster, crab, steak, etc. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love preppers....they are the most creative people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'doomsday preppers?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular preppers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just watched a video on canning bacon by a texas prepper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avery brooks is nuts......william shatner said so, so it must be true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the US is providing the syrian rebels with $250 million in non military weapons aid, a doubling from the $120 million first mentioned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it's so exciting. I was wondering what we'd do in 15-20 years without a new Taliban to fight, and here we go!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'pureply out of curiosity i did a search on the website for portlan's main newspaper, and there was an article about this in there on November 15th, 2012. you should have used the newspaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh, that was meant for curse... we're debating over there, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'figured'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many times can you sing about an "unsung" hero before it becomes a "well sung" hero?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as good an answer as any, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've wasted alot of time finding light daggers for my OH'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"See something - Say something"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'A certain cancer treatment center has a "patient satisfaction rating of 95%"...  that means that 5% of the survivors wern't happy about something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2009, the federal budget deficit was 10.2 % of the economy.....today it is 5.3%, and in 2016 it is expected to be 2.4%.....unless of course we make congress republican controlled and elect a neocon president...then we can expect huge deficits again as a % of the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the CBO website.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'Wait, you mean that we are spending less money now that we aren't involved in 2 wars? Shocking news, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need a new wide-screen - where's my 'stimulous'?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'according to http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21999, it's only *expected* to be 5.3% in 2016...and that, as with all government economic forecasts, is absurdly optimistic'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lady down the road has really been off her rocker - can we PLEASE get a stimulous so she can buy something better than the crack she smokes now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What's more, the national debt that has accumulated from annual deficits is also projected to fall to an estimated 73.1% of GDP in 2018 from an estimated 76.3% today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello mcfly!  I said expected :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you're telling me the debt is going to go down, even though we're still running deficits every year?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ah, as a percent of GDP'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'yeah, that's pretty easy when you adjust the way that GDP is calculated, which has just been done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'for reference - http://www.ibtimes.com/us-economy-will-grow-3-percent-july-new-way-looking-gdp-goes-effect-1206813'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese national debt as a % of the GDP is over 200%'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'yes, i'm aware.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there's no magic point where debt to GDP means the economic crashes, but debt beyond a certain point is unsustainable without major adjustments/defaults.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so with CISPA reintroduced to the house and passing initial votes, should be pointed out that the guy who reintroduced it is married to a women who is(was?) on the board of AEGIS, who have already benefited from $10bn worth of USA contracts related to cybersecurity. Hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, CISPA has grave consequences for those of us in the UK due to the intelligence sharing agreement in place between the governments, so do me a favour and call your congressmen and tell them to vote it down or get out'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_uX1RczgQA'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shortage of people able to speak coherently in North Dakota?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now it is overpriced!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is overpriced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Japanese authorities colluding with ISP's to clamp down on people's use of Tor'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's another really bad precedent'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'wow thats wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, well CISPA will do the same thing, your isp can basically spy on you and not tell you'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any business can'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do that anyways.  Cookies, anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they monitor and record, but if it's encrypted, not much they can do without compromising the end points'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"The Boston bombing is a perfect example of why we need to expand gun control in this nation"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no one disagrees with that?  huh.  Well I do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Actually the Boston bombing is a perfect example of an incident which is irrelevant to the current gun debate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know... right?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Tamerlan had just bothered to get his gun license, the marathon bombings wouldn't have been as bad as they were.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expatiate'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the Boston bombing IS an example of pro-abortion sentiment, however. If mom had aborted those two assholes, it would have happened.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eq'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geez you guys will joke about anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just .. I need sleep I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'school anti-bullying campaignes are way out of control, qq'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who agreed with that, vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than fuckwits?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lock wha?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ergo ipso facto ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'off :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[22 Apr 17:09:50] (Debate) Vonliege: '"The Boston bombing is a perfect example of why we need to expand gun control in this nation"''
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or miss that is.. fuck I need sleep'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Boston Gun dudes didn't have permits for their guns :('
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't blow people up with guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought they got in a shootout with the coppers'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently so'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just logged on and saw the cut and paste about expanding gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think gun control is going to stop bombings, or shootouts with coppers'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced that terrorist cells buy their guns legally from places that do background checks'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'NO pone agrees with that argument, but it's a good one to make if red herring is a favorite dish'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no one, not no phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'i'm going to bed'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no phone either'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry.. was AFK.. .that was being put out over PMSNBC, TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooh ok, I was going to slap you vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should bad guys get their guns legally?  The cartels smuggle in all kinds of automatics over the border with their slaves, drugs, and money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it must hurt like hell when the mules have to pass those'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well what do you expect, vonliege? it's a WH mouthpiece'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they smuggle cash and guns back the other direction, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually no, they smuggle in automatics from mexico.....old NATO guns....they are finding them in the hands of criminals in houston.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has also happened the other way, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Holder and his "Fast and Furious" scheme'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was indicative of the liberal agenda that they will latch onto ANYthing to advance gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are worth something in the US, guns are worthless in mexico....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They smuggle the guns wherever they need them at the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can go to tijuana and buy a dozen guns for $5'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you notice that they shut up pretty fucking quick when it was put out that the ricin letter guy was a democrat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guns move around the under-developed world like we move up and down the interatate.  They are an unchecked, uncontroled comodity that is bought and sold like we buy milk at the grocery store...  and in NONE of those countries tdo they give credit to the mayhem to the GUN... they give credit where credit is due.,.. to the guy who pulls (holds down) the trigger'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT!  and hold on to your seats... we still need gun laws.  We need gun laws so that when a gun is used to comit a crime, the CRIMINAL can be punished.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the immediate threat of gun legislation is gone, there has been a lot going on through regulation that is screwing it up. Did you see the video of the Staff Sergeant hiking with his son getting badly treated by a random cop because someone had phoned in worried that he had a rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note - I said "gun laws", not "gun control"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I went to town day before yesterday, and carried my deer rifle just to see what would happen.  I went to the drug store (89¢ DR Pepper 2 litters at the CVS), I went to the autozone (have a blinker out on my farm truck), and I went to the county courthouse to renew the farm permit on the truck.  I didn't get ONE second look... until the courthouse where the fellow at the metal detector said he'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '..... said he'd keep an eye on it till I got done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this texas army guy got arrested for "rudely displaying a firearm", at one point the cop said that the law didn't apply to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are places in this country where no amount of "gun control" is ever going to have much of an impact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what was the outcome of that?  did the guy go to prison?  or jail?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did ANYTHING stick?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right to carry isn't right to brandish, etc...would need particulars to judge which side would be correct...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after a few hours in custody he was released without charge, and is now persuing and extremely voiciferous lawsuit against Temple cops'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeking damages and the sacking of the cop involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed - if the fellow was waving it around, and going "boo!" to everyone he met... his poop is pretty thin'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't, he was carrying it in a sling'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't Texas have a frivolous lawsuit law now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the cop needed to do is just check in on him, and maybe suggest he get some sort bag to put it in'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno hans, you'd have to ask riz about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF he was behaving himself, and it was indeed an over zealous LEO who did the wrong thing, I'd say that will make a legitimate lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, he was, and he does have a case'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe they do now.  If your case gets tossed as frivolous, you have to pay all the bills related to that case (for both sides).'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, this was a rifle...he was on a 10-mile hike with boy scouts'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was the kid who went into the crocery debate then there's this one:  "Man Who Brought Loaded AR-15 Into Kroger Grocery Store Will Not Face Charges, Police Say "'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the guy with the AR-15 never took it off his shoulder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only been able to review left-ist reports... they didn't mention that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but from what I recall, he was actually detained, and still hasn't gotten the rifle back'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, he was just walking around doing his normal business.  He wasn't even threatening or acting erratic.  It was basically everyone else around him freaking the fuck out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'virgina has some sort of loophole where once a weapon is confiscated, it is NEVER returned - regardelss of the circumstance around any arrest, detainment, siezure, or confiscation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that needs to change'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially in light of the arbitrary confiscations going on countrywide'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the weapons is found to have no part in any illigal activity, and is leagally owned, the owner is compensated fair market value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really the point, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children in America are too coddled, today'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spoiled, pampered, and being raised by the institution (gross generalization, I know)'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Each generation is more pampered than the last.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kept safe from harm by teachers and anti-bullying rules, where they learn that the government will take over their care once they are of age.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to which I say - BULLSHIT!  when I was a child, I was bullied.  Those around me were bullied.  I learned to DEAL.  I learned how to evade, manipulate and (dare I say it?) overcome!  and when I was older, I STILL faced bullies.  We ALL do.  And because DEALING was part of my childhood education, I say "Big WHOOP! - look at the big, bad BULLY!  shut up an wash my windshield, bully"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I for one have never had the guy washing my windshield, or serving me fries, step up, so to speak'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem with the way the school system deals with bullies, is that it puts someone in self defense at fault.  If an adult threatens to hit you, you can have him charged with assault.  In school you're told to "deal with it".'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'except if you do come to fists, you're liable to get suspended, etc.  Which is retarded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My school always asked people if they wanted "to press charges," but nobody ever did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People made up and got on with their lives.  Then again, my school was in a South Texas farming town, so...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"""""'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".'  You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'color fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".'  You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that looks worse... looks like Taokan said ALL of that....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme try one more time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nooooo we got it the first time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shields her eyes!!
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".' To which I (Vonliege) respond: You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel makes hundreds of magical colors with a wave of her hands.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there... that ought to be clear enough.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the rants and bitching in this channel is cause someone didn't understand who/what/when something else was said.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just deal with it...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'please be more clear... deal with the bullying, everyone deal with my color fail, I deal with my color fail, or deal with the rants?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"it", in that context, is a VERY big word indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deal with the wasted fruit on the trees in portland.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Think of Rizgoths donkeys!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Erm, donkies in this case'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doonkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rizgoth's doonkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a charity in portland that lets people donate their wasted fruit on their trees to food banks, or shelters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the charity picks the fruit for the homeowner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless there is more than one of him... say MR Riz, and MRS Riz, in which case they would be the Rizgoths' donkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Special needs children in mainstream classrooms.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the following testament is a single anecdotal example, and therefore demonstrates poor debate etiquette, but I will offer it as stimulus for further discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my wife teaches 6th graders.  She has two "special needs" children in her mainstream class for all but two hours each day (the other two hours are spent in another "mainstream classroom").  Of the two children, one requires near-constant attention, and of every hour spent instructing the class, about 20 minutes are spent instructing the one child.  The other requires about 3-4 behavioral corrections per hour, and about 10 minutes one-on-one instruction per hour.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'finally, one of the children has had a clinical evaluation stating that he is suicidal AND homicidal.  The child maintains a "death book" filled with the names of all the people (students, neighbors and teachers) that he is going to kill.  This "death book" is protected by his first amendment rights, and his seat in the classroom is protected by the "no child left behind" legislation.  Until he commits a physical act to support his clinically diagnosed homicidal nature, he is untouchable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tl:dr'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Not sure that you're right on that 'death book'.  There's been plenty of instances of people being placed in alternative schools as well as having interventions  based on things they've written'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, there's been cases of schools going to extremes on those, and looking a bit silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... in this case, the child AND the book were scritinized - in the end, the administration had to appologize for the 3 days the child missed from school while he was being evaluated at a center in the "big city".  While the clinical diagnosis of "homicidal" still sttod, the doctors conducting the evalauation said there was a "low" chance of his ever acting on it.  Again, this example is anecdotal, and does not neccessarily reflect the norm across all circumstance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but what it does reflect, I'm almost sure of, is the fear that schools have of lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but to my un-clinical eye, and as a parent of students and husband to teachers in that school - there would be holy hell to pay if it ever did go south.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't disagree, I taught in public education for a long time, and my wife still is an educator'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'husband to teacher - singlular.  I am not a poligamist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'thought, thankfully, she got out of public education'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, that should be though, but I'm sure you figure that out  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed.. abelinc doesn't pop up here too often'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, this isn't really an argument against special needs so much as it is an argument against children who disrupt the learning environment for others regardless of reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true.  I will, however, state that "special needs" children are predisposed to do as you describe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it is not PC to discipline them'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'here's my anecdote -- in my first school, which was private, there was a young man who was very bright, but had cerebral palsy and dragged his foot when he walked. The public school had utterly refused to consider any placement other than a 'life skills' special needs class, despite the fact that the only accommodation he would have required was adaptations in PE. '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any sort of shift in what happens to kids with 'special needs' needs to take both of these sets into account. the ones who are inappropriately mainstreamed now and the ones who were inappropriately NOT mainstreamed before. ya know what I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, how nice....your employer can seize your smartphone if they are sued for any reason and check your phone for information.....they could hold your phone for months.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at the flip side of that... you can use your smartphone to get your employer in trouble, and they are powerless to defend themselves because the information is on your smartphone'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would get in the habit of wiping your smartphone every week of photos, emails, if you connect it to a company server of any kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at my former employer, one you connected ANY device to the netowork (used a flash drive, connected with smartphone, etc... ) that device became property of the employer'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was it a requirement to use the smartphone for work purposes though ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'as an admin i'd beat you with a hammer for plugging your shit into company's network'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is different then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it was "required", it was provided'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or at least paid for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so were you talking about a private phone, or a company phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '44% of companies that require you to connect a phone to a company network reimb for the phone, or provide, and it is rising.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck the phones. the security risk sounds scarier'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was talking about a private phone that was used to read emails on the company server.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ah, now that's something different'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think the company requires that people use their own phones to check email.  the individual likely did it out of convienience.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damnit, the price of oil needs to go back to $140 a barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got some corn planted, do ya?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wth is wrong with opec.....cut production by 1 million barrels already!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, if I grew corn I would ship it off to India or China.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make more money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need some saber rattling in Iran or something....test a nuclear weapon.....that will raise the price of oil!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out of curiosity... why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska makes more money the higher the price of oil :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil isnt going to last forever, so the perm fund needs to build up as much as possible for when the oil production drops.....that perm fund will need to provide for the state budget someday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I want the natgas pipeline built....that would add $20 billion to the perm fund over 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you care what alaska makes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't even live in AK'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my mothers side of the family is from Alaska, and I am 1/4th alaska native. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I am a member of a tribe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that most of the rest of us here would rather see gas stay cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'But vonliege - price of oil doesn't dictate pump prices.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is your opinion, which is fine :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure as hell effects it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Okay - so when the barrel went from 140 to 90.. Did you see your gas prices drop?  Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two of my vehicles use natgas....$1.85 per gallon atm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate again, Riz.. you can't make an argument for just yourself'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more and more oil is used to make products that are exported overseas and not sold as gasoline in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there's competition for oil - that's really old news'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the value of gasoline has been mostly detached from the price of oil for around 5 years now, since refineries have started exporting more fuels and products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of that oil produced in north dakota and canada when the xl pipeline is built will be for export use, not domestic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just looked at a couple of charts that laid the price of crude next to the price of gas across the last 40-50 years (up to 2012)... the prices are in almost perfect lockstep'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'crude goes up - gas goes up'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'crude goes down-gas doesnt go down'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is more interesting is how US/Canada oil is priced $25 less per barrel compared to world prices, but the price of gasoline is still based on the world price. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm telling you... look up some charts... crude and gas prices are linked'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Actually, I withdraw my statement about crude down =/= gas down.  It does.  Just pulled random places historical for the last 3 years, and compared to barrel prices.  Looks to be strongly correlated.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'it's just confirmation bias on our parts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give us a source that supports your statement, Xaeris'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more people should switch to natgas'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. they should.  but they will not do it until it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. they should.  but they will not do it until it's cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'wait.  Wait.  Wait a minute.  You guys take /everything/ else everyone says, and the minute I quote that I've looked at numbers, and are willing to state they're strongly correlated, "ZOMG DATAZ"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is cheaper :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all around cheaper, and available'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is 50% less compared to gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would it cost me to convert... how much would it cost to drive the 55 miles to the nearest source...'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have natgas at home you can get a federal rebate to install a pump in your garage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will I still be able to tow a trailer with 24 round bales on it....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states also offer a rebate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'installing a pump at my house cost about $2000, the feds gave me a $1500 rebate, and the state the other $500'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and withthat pump at your house, you are limited to what radius driveing from your house?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, I had a natgas pump installed before I bought the car.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never used commercial pumps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of your family in alaska?  how far apart are the natural gas pumps in an area were you can't afford to pass up one single gas pump?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska does not use natgas cars that I know of, even though every neighborhood in anchorage is supposed to have natgas connections now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you never venture outside the range of your car? you never take a trip where you have to fill up on the road?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a gas/electric hybrid for longer trips, the natgas vehicle is my daily driver around the metro area.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of natural gases propernsity to freeze up carbs?  it's worse than diesel for cold weather climates'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont really have that problem in the southern part of the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where do you think your rebates came from?  taxpayers, perhaps?  it's like a government subsidy to a solar company.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so?  oil companies get $2 billion a year in subsidies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if EVERYONE switched to nat gas, do you suppose there would be rebates for EVERYONE?  maybe the first 5%'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then get yours while you can!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like the "free" hover-round from the scooter store.... WE buy those!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rebate for the prius hybrid expired after 40,000 were sold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not sure about the volt number, or the leaf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so little more than a gimick... hardly a sustainable argument for conversion of the masses'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is still cheaper, :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will not be cheaper when the taxpayers have to pay to convert all the poor poeple.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gas is here - it's convienient - it's available - virtually every car uses it (or diesel)....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition, there are more than 120,000 CNG vehicles in use in the United States, and nearly 9 million worldwide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it will continue until there is so little of it left, that conversion is the only route'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the natgas vehicles in the US are commercial fleets like UPS'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and for that, I can applaud.  there was likely a very comprehensive cost/benifit analyasis, and it made good fiscal scense.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since FDR was president, the avg republican increased the budget by 14% or so, and the avg democrat increased the budget by about 6% or so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and clinton actually reduced the budget a few years of his presidency.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Great Briton and France both say Syria has used chemical weapons on its own population'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"gosh, Vonliege... why do we care", you ask?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I'm glad you asked - because Obama has made numerous public statements that "the movement or use of chemicals" would be a trigger for US action in the region.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so i also am qouted on several rl occasions that i will do or did my homework does mean i did it or will do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'doesnt*'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got ya....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the real side show here... is WILL obama do what he has threatened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well why do YOU care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money... international credibility... I have A LOT of friends and aquaintences that would be involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'still dont see how it would affect you personally'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'involuntary recall?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'would you be eligible to be recalled?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're in the US, right, Griss?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i am from South Africa'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... during WWII, in the US, out ENTIRE NATION was at war.  Every able bodied man and woman made a contribution - even the children gathered scrap metal - it effected everyone in the nation on a daily basis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was rationing, everyone planted gardens, factories turned out war materiel day and noght....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok,but will the thing that obama threatens to do cause a world war? '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in TODAY'S america, war is something that only effects the military.  No one rations, no one changes one single aspect of their life, unless they are fighting, or have a loved one fighting. '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so exactly my point it wont affect you right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the short answer to your question "why do you [as an american] care?" is - I don't... americans just don't care.  as long as gass is less than $5 a gallon, and there's plenty of sports on TV, it's life as usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's just plain pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy not to care if you are an overwhelming force killing people in their home lands. Unless you have a conscience.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I CARE, because I am not a worthless, self-interested, egotistical, shit living my pathetic wal-mart life.  I CARE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's good. Wish more people did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I CARE, because if syria IS using chemical weapons on his own people - someone needs to make it stop... I don't see SA doing that any time soon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can't solve those type of problems by invading, though, so the US is kind of out of the equation too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'maybe but let me close my part in this debate by saying:"I WILL die to save my country"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good for you. Fortunately, no one has attacked the US since WWII, so you won't havr to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's wonderful... Do you think that the US had anything to do with S.A. independence?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course they did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you honestly don't think that economic and social preasure from the US didn't have anything to do with dismantling apartide?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'really so they helped us fight the british?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'techically we were independent before that so really that means nothing'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SA was independent under apartheid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like the US was independent before the civil war'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... and Nazi Germany was independent under Hitler... I got ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it was...who were they dependent on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and really who was the first major country to implement segregation the USA imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me rephrase - SA was not independent from tyrany and racisim under arpatheid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, grissom, it's been common for thousands of years'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To simplify world history, WWII gave a lot of countries independance, and the US was the reason WWII was won, hence the US gave the world independance from the british. Of course, the simple story is often wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SA isn't independent from them now'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor is most of the world'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but none of those have anything to do with a country's independence'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc - short answer - is SA better off with, or without aparthied?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you used apartheid before SA was founded so why are we picked on and really the world needs to seriously get over racism it is FUCKING stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your statement when I walked in was whether the US worked toward SA independence...and they had fuck-all to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seriously doubt you jumped right into the middle of a conversation without looking thru the buffer a little bit, Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if you're going to go to WWII for "independence from British", Ranrr, the US would've been fighting on the opposite side of that battle...'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is refering to the fallout - the sorting out of borders post-WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since the side the US fought on was the British's side...the "bad guys" were the ones giving British colonies independence by taking them from the Brits and they were just never quite handed back'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, it was one of the aftermaths of WWII. But I agree, the US would be against independance, since they also lost a lot of their colonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the british renounced several claims in the wake of WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... steering back to the issue that started this shit storm (mild, by channel standards) - will obama hold to his guns and intervine in syria if syria has indeed used chemical weapons as France and GB have claimed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, he can't be elected again'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OH!!! I see now... I was randomly putting periods in your statement to try and figure out what your were saysing... the period goes after the 18!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan... don't even ask'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a good point... he can't, but he CAN hurt the party'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'how did you guys even end up on a MUD'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'old fart'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'achieved success... decided to mud to experience failure'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, just saw an aquaponics kale plant that was 4 feet tall and 3 feet wide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is well on its way to being food self sufficient as a state, aquaponic farms are popping up all over.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they'll export it to where ever it sells best'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Texas changed its raw milk and kefir laws.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Going to make my own Texas bar....going it call it Donkey Ugly.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the kfc boneless is yummy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas will be swallowed whole by hordes of Democrat immigrants that will fuck up the economy by imposing huge taxes and claiming vast amounts of welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox news tops all cable for 1st time since 2005, that must burn the lefty press'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hate to disappoint them, but the Texas welfare system ranks 50th in the nation :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most immigrants who come to Texas are hispanics, and they are hard workers, and usually vote republican...not conservative, but republican.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what else we got? a ban on importation of ammo, magazines and accessories by executiuve order, a tax on all internet sales (of anything whatsoever)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '72% vote democrat, rizer'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even Fox could make 28% be "most"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every hispanic I know is a republican.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably because you don't consort with democrats'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I dont care what party you are, as long as you are not conservative :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK news is mundane in comparison, same old 1% screwing everyone else over while pretending they're trying to help'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france to legalise gay marriage despite massive protest'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no-one cares because French people smell anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surrender eating cheese monkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aquaponics is extremely promising....and farms can scale it up pretty easy to produce lots of veggies, fruits and fish or crabs, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it might be banned in the UK, but not in Texas....it is growing faster then any kind of farming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -will- be banned in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texas state govt supports it completely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the feds ban it, it's banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and why would they ban it ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aquaponics in the hands of the public represents a threat to the monopoly of control on production of food by the feds'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so?  People have been growing food for themselves ever since the country was founded, it isnt going to end.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it will, how you have government monopoly of food supply if you let the slaves grow their own food?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, good luck with that, I keep enjoying the fresh pork and beef we have on our ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until they get confiscated'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to add an aquaponics system soon to grow fish and veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be swat teamed and arrested for drugs offences'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aquaponics is revolutionizing food production, it is spreading like wildfire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Switzerland is going all in on aquaponics to expand their own food supply.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at a research center in Switzerland they are growing coffee and bananas in an aquaponics greenhouse, and lots of protein filled fish.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racists'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have foreign made weapons, hope you've got plenty of spares, you soon won't be able to buy any made abroad'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he'll then do is stop issuing certificates for gun manufacturer, and start going after those that are remaining - eventually you'll be left with a situation where owning guns isn't illegal, but it might as well be because no-one will be manufacturing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess the big woods of wisconsin weren't so big back in the 1850s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 rabbit does and 1 rabbit buck can produce 180 lbs of meat per year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you eat the rabbit organ meat, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried rabbit, salad with ranch dressing, rolls with fresh butter and honey, steamed veggies with butter :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm fried rabbit'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'chipotle '
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, Apple has $145 billion in cash sitting in banks around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the paulownia anagenesis trifloria, a new patented hardwood tree that grows up to 21 feet per year.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what is it good for?  pulp?  fuel?  furniature?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beating people over the head with.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't beat people with stick... nor do I know anyone who does.  so it's worthless to me and everyone I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a biotech company created the new tree....no idea what it would be used for atm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's not that you don't know anyone who does...you don't know whether anyone you know does'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'reminds me of the lorax'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at 21 feet per year.. I can't imagine that it has much density'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looks like the first use for it will be for burning to produce electricty, and then ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I would guess pulp/paper or fuel is the intended use'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently the natural version of the tree has a really high sugar content, around 68%, so it can produce 4x more ethanol then other trees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a 55-day corn available now, but it's so low in sugars that it's only good for siliage/feed'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh Lord... now fireworks will be federally banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll be "Phantom Fireworks" gets their butts sued to hell and back, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the Civil War, most of the $250 million U.S. gold reserve was sold to England for $16 ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you got it all back plus some'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We bought most of that gold 40 years earlier for $19 an oz :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be half a million tons of gold'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '500 tons'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ish'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '((($250,000,000 / $16)/ 16 oz) / 2,000) = 500 tons... my bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'divided by 2, rather than 2K'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul didn't do himself any favours the other day with his comments in support of armed drones'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that must be the voodoo economics math of the neocons :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell... let's give it all to the libs so that we can all be gutter-suckers together'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to explain that comment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ultimate goal of socialism is for everone to live in the same house with the same income with the same car with the same health care with the same EVERYTHING - since there's no point to clawing upward anymore - no one cares what they achieve, so the end result of "all the same" is "nothing"'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear that Obama is suggesting that violent sports breeds terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1950s, the US tried to control the gold market by requiring the world wide price be $35 an oz...it ended up causing 8 european countries to lose almost $1 billion in gold reserves, and the US lost $3.2 billion in gold reserves. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think it was obama... but I heard the report that boxing is what led the older brother to become a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the FBI is what led to the elder brother adopting terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the older brother is what led to the older brother sdopting terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, some nut blowing up a marathon is not an excuse for martial law, for more security, or for further gun control or federal encroachment into civil liberties or the affairs of states'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully we can all agree on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no - no - yes - yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'incorrect answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you wanna keep from getting blown up.. you need security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and sometimes that means martial law'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no amount of security would have helped'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for a short time'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it does not justify martial law'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I sholdn't lock my home?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you do to your home is your choice'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or my car when I go to the mall?  just leave it ipen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'open'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we should just let everyone do ewhat they want and believe that they will be good?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what we have in america is the result of a permissive and indiciplined society'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, if a crook gets trapped in your property, he could successfully sue you for hardship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you take the "do what you want" approach, you have to accept that from time to time - someone will "want" to blow something up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all very well, but it's entirely irrevelent to the question at hand'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I forgot what the question was'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had more than a hundred members of security on duty, cameras everywhere, bomb drills, sniffer dogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bombing still occurred. no amount of security would have stopped it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want a lower risk of terrorist bombings, take a look at your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sero security would mean it happens every day'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zero'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was asking for zero security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the right amount?  zero or more?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zero security means it happens all the time... some security means it happens often... more secruty means it happens less'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not a linear relationship'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have already passed the point of diminishing returns'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of us has a clue to how many hundreds of attacks have been stopped because of increased security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you are in the NSAs inner circle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get daily briefs from the CIA?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas the FBI have created 23 of their own terrorist attacks with the purpose of exposing them to get funding'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does the president pick up the phone and give you a call evert time we pop someone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA doesn't prevent terrorism in the homeland, it isn't their job'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does the NSA'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you know this how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their mission statement and remit'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that we don't (and shouldn't) know all that goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a point well made and disagreed with'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't believe anything else about them, but you believe their mission statement?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your intelligence services are out of control'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and MI6 is doing better?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've even had your own presidents alluding to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MI6 is 'less bad' only because they are smaller'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MI6 are responsible for the only major non-irish related terrorist attack on UK soil in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source?  (besides alex jones)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, Vonliege must be George W Bush's concubine or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Former Justice Department prosecutor John Loftus, Former MI5 officer David Shayler, London Independent reported on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know how to respond to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sources are out there if you're prepared to look further than the first search page of google then automatically disregard the results'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're just not prepared to believe anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am a sceptic - everyone has a conspiracy - everyone has an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should look up the definition of 'conspiracy' some time'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you look at the second page of google results?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goat'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether you believe he turned double-agent, or whether you believe he was a patsy, i'll leave that up to you - we won't know for at least 68 years more'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless someone has a deathbed confession'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing is for sure is that you should seriously consider standing back from wanting to bring more authoritarianism and privacy-intruding government down on us if you're not prepared to first consider the efficacy (or lack of it) morality (or lack of it) and direction (or misdirection) of the existing security and foreign policies'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You only know of the failures, not the successes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, have an uplifting news headline: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sword-wielding-lds-bishop-aid-neighbor-article-1.1325905'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the successes, like deliberately escorting the underwear bomber onto the plane without a passport knowing that you'd already ordered the naked body scanners from a company and set to benefit financially from it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like facilitating the plot to bomb the WTC in 1993 and getting found out because an Egyptian patsy being used recorded them and blew the whistle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps like blaming a guy for shooting Ted Kennedy when the ballistics didn't match (not even the right calibre, much less the same gun)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'faking intelligence to justify an illegal invasion of Iraq that led to the death of more than 600,000 civilians?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then holding the UK government to ransom to prevent evidence coming out in the judicial enquiry we set up to investigate it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like giving $100s of millions in aid to Al-Qaeda fighting Assad in Syria? Like connin Gadaffi into disarming his nukes, investing his oil money in western concerns, then funding the rebels and seizing all the money?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like shooting dead a US soldier for blowing the whistle on drug trafficking going on from Afghanistan using military transport, then trying to blame it on friendly fire?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'running guns to Mexico in order to demonise the second ammendment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ViaSat-1 is a communications satellite owned by ViaSat. Launched October 19, 2011 aboard a Proton rocket, it holds the Guinness record for the world's highest capacity communications satellite with a total capacity in excess of 140 Gbit/s, more than all the satellites covering North America combined, at the time of its launch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come corn is in the bible ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt corn a food that came from the Americas?  I dont think they had it in the middle east....or Africa so long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps they meant quorn :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Smoke bombs: Illegal or a culturally discriminative ban. Discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg how can they even consider making it ok for companies to be able to ask for passwords!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, an air powered car....it uses compressed air, has a top speed of 43 mph, can carry 2 people, and has a range of around 100 miles...takes 2 minutes to recharge the tank, at a cost of 50 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tata motors of india is producing the car, plus 4 others like it including a truck version for businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a top speed that means it can just barely get onto the interstate?  That's a non-starter here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is designed for city driving only'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are about 1 billion people worldwide who would love a car like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/boston-marathon-bombing-game-created-shock-website-204643390--abc-news-tech.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Florida, minors who are convicted of homicide must be given a mandatory minimum sentence of 50 years without the possibility of parole (parole was outlawed there in '83).'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the 50-year term was instituted after a SCOTUS ruling made life without parole unconstitutional for minors.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we need to get a real debate going, full of important as well insightful commentary'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Cake is TOO an awesome band! (Discuss)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more people like Pie than Cake'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shush'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US - The top [rich] 50% of the population pays 98% of the taxes.  The bottom [poor] 50% pay only 2%. (Fox News this morning)'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't argue with that logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'lady on the local news can't pronounce Tsarnaev.'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women will use big hats to muggle explosives into the Kentuky Derby'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a load of balls'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US media is hugely partisan, it's almost comical these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw a lengthy clip of Rachel Fatcow and it was like watching Iraq TV in the Hussain era'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox was like watching a broadcast from Nazi Germany during WW2'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both cases pushing extremist ideology as fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I hope fox wins the propaganda war'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly sick of politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather there wasn't a propaganda war, there's no wonder people aren't watching mainstream media news these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is an overly optimistic statement - most americans still watch mainstream media'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually they don''
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where do most americans get their news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seen the viewing figures of late?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides the barber shop'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'internet/newspapers'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would agree that more are getting news from non-traditional sources.... but still far from most'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mom-and-pop america still watch the evening news over supper'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean mom'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pop'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'family's dead, dude, it was wiped out, you're now racist if you're married with 2.4 kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen some really nasty anti-muslim neocon bullshit coming out of fox of late'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hush, all neocons are saints'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'especially the warmongering bastards'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the drums are beating, and it looks like the troika are going to go steal the deposits of spanish bank customers, next'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coyotes are petrified of donkeys.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the AR-15 is the best selling gun in the country.....go get one!'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'isn't that the citizenized M16?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, sure is'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, the one that the full metal jacket ablates 1 meter after it leaves the nozzle :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 900,000 of them were sold in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So a guy was eating 3 bags of microwave popcorn every day for years and was breathing in the fumes from it all that time.....he got some kind of lung disease, and sued the food company that made his popcorn....he won $7 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the women that got shot by the LAPD only got 2.1 each, go figure :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not applicable here, though. First you have to make the sensible economic decision of preparing to terraform. After you have blown your wad at home, there will not be enough to support the move :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'desperation might be good incentive to go, but it will probably be why it will fail. '
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not in the space stations that they are building now which resemble military aircraft :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who are you talking to!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'myself :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'who likes chocolate ice-cream'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well they have stopped producing it worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'isnt anyone going to ask my source????'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'oh dear you guys are hopeless'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how precious are personal rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal rights are a prequisite for a free society'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol HOLDER: Citizenship for illegals a 'civil right''
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet another administration wackjob'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you though Cheney and Rumsfeld were bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Holder seems to be one of the more dubious politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among the dubious, Janet 'Frank' Napolitano isn't much better'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holder however is on record as wanting to wipe 80% of the planet's population off the map'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wonder wehre he'd start'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass steralisation'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all in a book he co-authored called "Ecoscience"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that eugenics, then... not genocide'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought that was the other fellow with a similar name'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, because clearly that's better'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'semantics'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'science advisor dude, Holdren or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah, top science and technology advisor'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'whereas Holder mostly sticks to racism, gunrunning and a bit of lying and such'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to get on a different rant... but when refering to Abortion... "... terminate the fetus" plays a hell of a lot better than "...kill the unborn child"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'killing kids up to age 3 is goooood'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they're not real people, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole politicisation of abortion if fucking ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... didn't want to get on that track... should have used a different illustration'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what kills me about Holder was during the "fast and furious" trouble, he just plain refused to do what he was told.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once they do something bad, they have to follow through with it and keep up th elie'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what kills me is how many people seemed to be ok with that'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem with lying'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at all cost... and they seldom have consequence for that tactic'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a consequence, if they do get properly found out'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't tend to happen very often though'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegidly, Eric Holder's wife Sharon co-owns an abortion clinic in Atlanta'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an abortionist at which was indicted in 2012 on charges of Medicaid fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are SOOOO many abortions done in ALT'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ATL'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta kill all those ugly black babies, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so it would seem'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a clinic in five points that averages 27 a day'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to quote Dr. Farnsworth, 'I don't want to live on this planet anymore'.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was trying to work out while swimming how much of my paycheck each month goes in tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you're from the U.K., so I'm going to go out on a limb and say like 53% or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite that bad, since i'm not dossing on my parents' spare room floor'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since a minor pay rise and a slight rise in the tax free allowance'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about 35% atm, but will be 45-50 once i buy my own place'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's about 33% for my wife and I'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'professional gamblers don't pay tax in UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably should be'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'maybe, but they don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what tax dodge do they use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no, legally they don't have to pay, it's not considered a profession'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'americans pay tax on gambling winnings, brits don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's income they pay income tax, failing that they pay capital gains tax on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder how many people actually claim that'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no tax due on gambling winnings whatsoever'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you pay tax on lottery wins'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in UK you don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might be a difference between "should pay", and "prove it"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'maybe lottery is an exception, but according to HMRC gambling winnings are exempt from tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'unless you run some type of organized scheme like a bookies'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i'm wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I could even link you to the section on the HMRC webpage that it explains it'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lottery is not taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gambling winnings are not taxed, but casinos and gambling machines are'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows before Greg Jennings (85).
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes winning are taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opposite of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the problem UK have is that if you were to charge tax on gambling winnings it'd only be fair to make losses tax deductible'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be said that the answer given was "betting in the UK is no longer taxed" which would suggest that it once was'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which I believe is what the U.S. does'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gambling winning are taxed as long and short term capital gains... gambling losses are deductions... so are trade commisions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in america yeah, in UK no'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh...we're NOT talking about the stock market?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ironically while stock market is more volatile than a lot of gambling systems I think earnings from that are probably taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'gambling taxes in the US allow you to deduct gambling losses to the extent that they offset gambling winnings, so you are only taxed on net winnings'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if there's people out there that ever watch Piers Morgan and say to themselves, 'Hey, I like this guy!'.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody in england does, we all fucking hate him'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Is that why he stays here?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and the police would arrest him if he returned'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, doesn't someone have to be liking him for them to keep putting him on the air?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it is cnn'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'was that for the phone hacking thing , or whatever?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i find his faux moralising so hypocritical and vomit-inducing'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'You know, I love Jeremy Clarkson, if for no other reason than he punched Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a national treasure'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the only real exposure I have to him is the Top Gear that they play here'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all he's really done for the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all he was ever famous for, did a chat show for a couple of seasons and a couple of travel docs, but mostly top gear'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'California considering a bill that would allow non-US citizens to sit for jury duty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh dear why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my guess - and it's just a guess... as a prelude to voting for non-us citizens'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'FBI is really out there rolling up visa-violaters'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you're on a hunger strike, you're getting liquid nutirents so you don't go hungry, is it still a hunger strike?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NO!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just go on the ramen noodle diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't think so... to me a hunger strike is like threatening suicide... doesn't have much teeth if you trade your big macs for an IV tube'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, are they being forcibly given to you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from what I gather... the nnutient drinks (like Ensure®) are being offered (and accepted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I went on a hunger strike one time...  wasn't political or rebellious... but the "powers that were over me" got a little rattled and enticed me with a 20 oz tbone steak... to which I said "thankyou" and gobbled up!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hunger strikes are silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a tool, yes... as a means of getting a free t-bone... no'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm tbon'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need to go check the freezer'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would mark wahlberg want to get back together?  He makes more money doing movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"woman uses ambulance to get a ride downtown."... called 911 over 100 times, and when arriving at the hospital, told the doctors she felt fine....'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medicare covered the ambulance rides at $425 each time'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's some quick goat thinking right there'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at what point do you say "no... you are NOT getting an ambulance... I hope you get to feeling better"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'drain on society beyond the pale.  I say just kill it now, save money'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can you imagine the stink in the news the one time that they ignore her and she dies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'd be a circus all right'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd laugh so hard'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as medicare covers the cost, the ambulance will keep coming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then the county will pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if medicare didnt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even if it didn't, the ambulance is (iirc) legally obligated to come when called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are three stores in my town that have chosen not to accept EBT cards... business is booming, but theyr'e getting their arses sued all to hell'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stores are not required by law to accept EBT.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There needs to be limits on how often you can use medicare though.....medicare needs to send her the bill if she is going to abuse the service.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the premiss of the suits is that the stores are covertly denying service to black people.  The reason the stores are doing so well now, is that there are no black people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are over 2 billion domestic pigs around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How many canned pigs are there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you get rolled in the school hallway for your lunch money, what does the teacher who sees it do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They blast em' wit their 9s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good... when a cop sees someone getting mugged in the alley, what do they do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'they eat doughnuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Kick some ass or if they are wielding a deadly force weapon.... blast em wit their 9s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As you can see, I am a high-class thug'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probably... right after they blast 'em with their 9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what do the 9's do after blasting 'em'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why then, does it come as any supprise to the world when the US intervines between oppressed people and international thugs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the United States military blasts em with 5.56mm rounds.... doesn't sound as cool as 9.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because it is intervenes i think'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we got 0s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at saddam hussein... who gives a rats arse if he had weapons of mass destruction... he was a thug that needed killing'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'an assualt rifle that uses 9mm bullets ouch'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'barretta M9, 9mm pistol'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'standard issue sidearm of the US military'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '9MT nuclear bombs ohhh yea'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'works real good when held sideways, and when you yell gack! gack! gack! while shooting it'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am talking about assualt RIFLES'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I prefer the phrase "in jo ass popo!!" but that term is coming out of style'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but when you "blast 'em with your 9", that's not an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'best I could do for your is an MP5... and their better with 40mm'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err.r.... ,40, or 10mm'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i know but imagine a assaualt rifle or machine gun with 9mm bullets'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's a sub-machine gun... not an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or assaualt rifle with .50 bullets'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I can imagine... I imagine that it would have very limited range, a high rate of malfunction, and very limited accuracy... not exactly assault rifle material'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was about to say that Vonliege :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like the M4 with its almost zero recoil'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i can never have any fun here'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.50 cal... lemme see... limited ammo supply, insane blow back, very loud... again... limited assault rifle material'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... I don't wanna piss on your dreams or anything... folks said John Browning was insane for thinking the Browning HI-Power would be worth anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and IT spawned one of the finest pistols in history... the 1911 .45 colt'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You made Grissom Rage Quit!'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, those asian carps are delicious when you deep fry them with beer batter.....that is how you control them....get more people to eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, earth crust displacement would be bad.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'making mountains generally is'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's not too swell at the mid-oceanic ridges, either, but thankfully we covered them up with water so they can't get us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I went to my brother-in-laws house to day and help him put a steel roof on his house...  im in a shit tine of pain now'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a mich-chan, by the way'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Extrapolating from observations of the cooling of the Earths inner core, it is estimated that the current solid inner core formed approximately 2 to 4 billion years ago from what was originally an entirely molten core. If true, this would mean that the Earth's solid inner core is not a primordial feature that was present during the planet's formation, but a feature younger than the age of the Earth (about 4.5 billion years).'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the core is getting bigger, and cooling down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is believed that the core also contains enough gold, platinum and other siderophile elements that if extracted and poured onto the Earth's surface it would cover the entire Earth with a coating 0.45 m (1.5 feet) deep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, nonstick butter spray is good on popcorn.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That sounds hideous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont knock it til you try it....it is good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where do you think the butter flavoring for popcorn comes from ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for my popcorn, it comes from, oh I dunno, butter :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, how is butter processed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not, it's churned'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but your butter has tons of calories'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'By amish people? Oh god, I hope so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real butter is good for some things, not popcorn if you want less calories.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing wrong with calories...it's a unit of energy'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, what's string theory?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's made by polly-o'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jell-o ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, what are the recommended dimensions for a plywood shed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert pouts. 
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plywood has nothing to do with dimensions, and "recommended" would be "it depends on the application and property"'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, is it true that there's a snail up your nose that bites your finger off if you stick it up too far?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not up MY nose, but I won't declare that there's not one up YOURS'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone pick a topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like this parmesan cheese.  If only it had more preservatives so I could survive the upcoming nuclear holocaust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm with you... anyone care to debate AGAINST preservatives?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Man this parmesan cheese from the local farmer with red pepper is amazing'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Makes kraft taste like poopy'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you sure it's red pepper, and not red mary-jane?  farmer's market food is CRAP'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol well I pass my drug tests at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the zombie appocolyps comes... my kraft ® will be right there next to my 12ga'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you'll be wishing the zombie farmer didn't know where you live'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol I would kill the farmer and harvest his soul'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Apple is the best company.  Debate!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I prefer Oranges!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when it comes to company, I prefer people to fruit'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Clearly you've never hung out with a kiwi.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not since the substituted the real cpus with intel ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have an ipad - 2nd and 4th gen touch before that... they always just.... worked'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I have an apple tv that just works'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't generally like closed architectures, but I went through several droids at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My iphones have lasted through the entire contract plan (2yrs) just fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'closed is fine, as long as it covers all the bases, and works'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't use my phone for anything but gps/compass as backup for work and phone calls/random googles when bored'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"open" doesn't work because it violates too many business models, and is "open" to CRAP from everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give me "closed" that works 99% over "open" that works 50% anyday'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case in point - "open office".  sure, I use it at home 'cause it's free, and meets my needs.  I used "Office" at work because it did MORE, was reliable, and had a support network behind it.  It was just more reliable, and I didn't have to fiddle with it.. fiddling kills time, and time is profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think most people know how valuable their time is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jailbreak a company phone and your FIRED.  period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wouldn't surprise me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'use a jailbroke personal phone for company work and your FIRED. Period'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, plenty of geek-friendly companies'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most companies are too lean to entertain "geek" notions of productivity'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a slow news day'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than poor Jim Tucker buying the farm'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love canned farms'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a mighty big can!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how do you get the farm into it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, Abelinc, it's a long-winded story involving a British Farmer and a Malaysian muskrat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls asleep,
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is the malaysian muskrat really in singapore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An annual supply of Glivec (sold in the U.S. as Gleevec) wholesales for $76,740, about 3x what it cost only 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'holy shit what is glivec'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like a yummy medicine'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cancer drug.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wonder how much it costs to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'specifically for Philadelphia chromosome-positive chronic myeloid leukemia '
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have pharmacutical stocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a group of 120 researchers and doctors published a listing of how much certain drugs cost, showing how drug companies are profiteering on americans suffering.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am glad that drug companies profit... if they did not, they wouldn't bother making the drugs, and we'd just suffer anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say bullshit to that, they make a profit in other countries that control the prices of those same drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but where are most of the worlds drug labs located?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because Europe rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do not have my own drug lab.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most drug research starts as govt funded research in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'johnson and johnson, pyzir, merck... all USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Deutschland Uber Alles'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abbot, eli lilly, bristol meyer... again... US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'novartis is swiss'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'which is weird since i am half french(i hate that part of me)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glaxosmithkline is UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sanofi is france'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'novartis makes Ritalin...'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AstraZenica is UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bayer is Germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all those companies make MONEY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money makes things happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 of the top 12 drug companies in the world are in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have my own pharmaceutical company called Donkies Unlimited.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all those companies take money, not make.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two of the top two are in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and rape the people of the US the most.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so boycot them... don't use their stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, doesnt pfizer make viagra ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, viagra is probably most of their income :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well get a rocker for you hadar'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan... again'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pfizer is a repeat offender of selling drugs for non approved uses.....they have paid over $6 billion in fines since 2004.  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as they keep the Lyrica and Lipetor coming'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to make generics more available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagine how many people would be dead today if it wern't for Lipitor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, or perhaps we would have had a cure for high cholestrol instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of a treatment that lasts forever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lyrica is bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"I'm sorry Papa died, Sally.  but you see... government regulation made Pyzir give all their profits to poor people, so they quit making the drug that was keeping him alive."'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we know why people get high cholestrol, but nothing is done to cure it, just 'treat' it with drugs that are more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mayor bloomberg is doing something about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bloomburg is a fool, he needs to take biochemistry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Government regulation could wipe away all the unheathy food'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he just wants votes, has nothing to do with actually helping people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd just LOVE to have a government inspector come and look in my fridge once or twice a week to make sure I wasn't eating any bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm bacon'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Real men eat bacon.  Look at cowboys'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel drools all over herself -- making a TERRIBLE mess!
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in fact, I'd pay EXTRA taxes to fund such a program'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm canned cowboys'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, original bacon and egg sandwich was invented by cowboys....a simple bisquit, a fried egg, and bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biscuit even'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually was just a biscuit and bacon though....eggs were hard to get unless you had chickens, or found some eggs on the trail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but not all is bad...you can buy the same drug in Canada for less than $1200 per year, or Mexico...but you risk jail in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just move to Canada and stay there and buy the drug, would still be much cheaper than buying the damn drug in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Canada isn't near as gun friendly as the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And we've got the exponentially lower gun violence statistics to prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canada just has less criminals, is all'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'less freedom = less crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-war nazi germany had almost zero crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and most of what they did have was only "criminal" because the nazis said it was'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want the nazi's back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's kinda the definition of "criminal" anyways...stuff the ruling body doesn't want you to do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the idiocy of modern society was summed up by a judge ruling in the UK when he said "Vigilanteism has no place in a modern society"'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... nothing is simple.. if you WANT... you have to GIVE'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you want cheap drugs... give up some freedom... you want lower crime.. give up some personal rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about no to both'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't require less freedoms for either of those things'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, owning unnecessarily powerful guns is only freedom for those too scared to live free without them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'people are going to do stupid crap regardless what the laws are'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. .that's what I say... but I'm not bitching about crime OR the price of drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop telling people to give upt heir freedoms, you know tehy're stupid and will listen'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just making a point'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like Rachel Fatcow?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rachel madcow is HOT'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she perfects the art of being lesbian because no man could stand her'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moving swiftly on...'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should ban milk, it is a gateway to drinking beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I see the point you are making, and can feel your sarcasim... what's the real issue?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont need a point on my channel....:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a real issue that is. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real issue is neocons and neoliberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that it is so hard to find a good cup of coffee unless you make it yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is obama describing the sequester as 'reckless cuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why is he threatening pain if his budget isn't passed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, log on any ammo website, and 95% of the choices are backordered with no estimate on delivery.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught smirks.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'according to Tigernuts, there ain't no ammo shortage, no way no how, so go talk to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is he buying it all ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'likely has enough rounds for the zombie apocalypse and UN World Takeover put together as is..'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I already have plenty of ammo, just wanted to switch out some stock so I can go shooting some.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have a better chance of ordering ammo from Canada then you do in the US right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or Switzerland.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to save rhinos, just add poison'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'has anyone gone Apple picking?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, someone thinks ATM machines will one day provide inspiration for the next three Matrix movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the next three Matrix movies are already upon us... in the desert of the real'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for teens, sex media is only slightly related to real-life behavior.  In other words, our kids are becoming oversexed from other sources way more than from the shows and advertisements bombarding them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'world-wide average age of a woman's first pregnancy has increased'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can the male teen be oversexed when he will peak at age 18. It's more like instinctive desperation before doomsday :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, new research has found that men peak at 30ish like women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although not by as great a margin in the U.S. than other developed countries, which may or may not support 'oversexed' hypothesis, although if one looks at standard sexual 'norms' across developed nations, I don't think it can be concluded lower U.S. first birthing age is related to our outlandishly sexual natures'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'women peak at 40+, nearer 45.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I still call myth on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no offense Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seeing as how eggs start going bad at 40+, it wouldn't make much sense, although married men might appreciate believing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '40 is when menopause can start kicking in.  Barring freak medical conditions or government conspiracy, you just don't get to menopause without first going downhill a ways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you think that the human body has changed its processes in a mere 5 or 6 hundred years? For most humanity's timespan, most people were dead by age 30.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true... and paradoxically women are hitting puberty at earlier ages toda than when they died at 30'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is related to technology rather than evolution'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you view the two as largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's drug induced. The drugs in the animal feed :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it's nutritional'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and possibly due to extended light-exposure'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'an actual connection to HBV or other such drugs is so far as solid as connecting vaccines to autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although I'll admit it's more possible than the vaccine/autism crap and more study is needed'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's environmental--drugs, food, various life stress in general, and the sex ratio of your immediate intimate community (family, bffs, mentors, etc)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, companies that make food from grains are more or less routinely sued for putting growth hormones in animal feed. Purina, before its demise, had a budget for this :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah and vaccine makers have been sued for causing autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plumb chicken means earlier menses :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and moron parents have started whooping cough and measles epidemics by refusing to vaccinate their kids because Jenny McCarthy went on Larry King'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like how multiple women will sync their cycles when they live together, a female in a personal world that is predominately male will end up hitting puberty faster than a female in a predominately-female world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what's the average age of puberty in China?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ditto for the guys.  Growing up with a bunch of girls will put hair on your chest and make your dick bigger faster than growing up with a bunch of dudes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'single sex boarding schools for delayed puberty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you got it backward, Hanslanda. It is not a man's world, it's a woman's. Biologically speaking anyway. I am willing to bet that the male apparent dominance stems from some revolt long time ago, not from some physical imperative.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/90880/6956684.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just remember that partehogenesis is theoretically possible, and the product would be female :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true... and the earliest recorded pregnancy was 4.5 yrs'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'more things in heaven and earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'research already beat you to the truth, Ana.  Pheromonic response can trigger puberty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everything apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that when the population died at around 30, it was TV and pheromones that stoked their engines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'TV and media, according to dutch researchers, was found to only contribute 0.3 to 4 percent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think that sexuality is clockwork driven, Hanslanda. Humans, if not animals in general, are born sexually active.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm saying TV may contribute to earlier puberty rates, but only because of increased light, not programming'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the tv and the rest do, is make it more obvious that chlidren are sexually aware.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humans are not born sexually active, dude.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't wake up one day a say "By George, I will get laid today. Never thought about it before, but it seems it's time".'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newschildren/puberty-at-ten.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this channel is under-utilized.  I'm going to see if the Imms will rename it the LGBT Channel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because those of us who have things to say agree with each other, and everyone else is retarded'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... that's the same results I get around town... it makes me wonder who voted for the opposing side of all these issues'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'idiots'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats, mainly'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do a majority of Americans reaady NOT want to give up their gun rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reaady = really'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz and I can disagree on quite a bit of stuff, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bathtubs are just reverse boats'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it usually ends with him telling me to have a bake sale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz is alright, has some strange ideas'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that timothy dalton only did 2 bond films, he was a good james bond.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saw'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'margory'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'daw'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'take it to music channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mere fact that our nation's (US) lawmakers would even CONSIDER exempting themselves from ObamaCare makes me sick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare is already full of exemptions for tons of groups.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who are a few?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'xempt groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe public-sector unions were in the mix as well as first-responders (but then again, they practically can't get insurance anyways because of their jobs).  I'll have to see if I can dig up specifics, but it was widely talked-about in the leadup to the Obamacare vote (when people were also widely calling foul on lawmakers trying to vote on stuff they didn't read).'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll lose my military health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my premiums will go from $570 a year (really really really cheap) to almost $5,500'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cackle'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm glad you find it ammusing, tigerballs'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't take any personal pleasure from people being screwed over by this..... but you guys voted him in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like the entire rest of the world warned you'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, tigerballs'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... ignorant black people voted him in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean, our public health service consumes a third of our entire tax take, and is still shit, really, what did you guys expect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the bright side, Obamacare prevents them from taking our guns away...'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'black voters turned out 200-300% more for these past two elections than any other time in history'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just goes to prove they shoulda never been given the ability to vote'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get used to it, if they pass this immigration law, you'll never have anyone else ever again other than democrat in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't go that far... I'm a biggot, but not a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hey if you gonna abuse your rights, you deserve to lose em'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'explain, Onslaught... not sure to agree, or be mad about your last comment'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people who utilize X Right in an intentionally ignorant or otherwise socially counter-productive way should not be allowed to retain X Right'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think he refered to the 'freedom of speech' right'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any right.. 'X' is a stand-in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok... I can get behind that... to a point.  I would differenciate between abuse and mis-use.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if you're shouting "fire" in theatres, shooting random people, etc, you deserve to lose those rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is kind of what we do... putting people in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but THINKING there is a fire, and shouting FIRE would be misuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'So if masses of idiots are voting horrific Presidents into office based on nothing so much as his skin color, they shouldn't be allowed to abuse their right to vote any longer'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think chucking someone in jail for shooting an innocent deliberately is a jolly good. Shouting fire probably should incur a fine, a public outting in the stocks, and several years community service'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shooting someone because you THOUGHT they were attacking, but they were really just putting mail in your box is mis-use'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I did say "random people" concerning shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which I would think doesn't include self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conceeded'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the difference between willful, deliberate action.... as opposed to ignorant, misunderstanding, or misplaced conception'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't see how voting in a guy simply because of race can't be considered willful and deliberate'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor folks really think Obama wants to help them, when he really only wants to lord over them (Uncle Sam's Plantation)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure some do, but I thought the contention was that "ignorant black people" got him elected... twice?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voting for him for his skin might be stupid, but it's not abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Yes it is. Voting for his policies is stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '" really think..." with perhaps a bit of "I'm going to show those Crackers" thown in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there you go'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would also be abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid yes, abusive no'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .I have to fall on the "stupid" side of this issue... most blacks voted for him out of ignorance - not willful desire to destroy the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just blacks, there are plenty of stupid white people to, including affluent white people and celebrities, who wilfully voted for him'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you guys have your definitions mixed up. it isn't "stupid" to vote for someone because of their race. It is, in fact, entirely logical to do so considering humanity's history of homogeny bias in social groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'do you vote republican then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that a fancy term for biggot? =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes I do'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tbh, the offering from the other side wasn't exactly great'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lest you decide to pigeonhole me'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a Jesus-loving Conservative'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the republicans ditched their neocons and lunatics and picked a candidate that got back to basics of small government, bill of rights and constitution, ditched the foreign empirism, there'd be a landslide'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Jesus is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to me and my vote'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'good for you'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legalise pot, they' steal the hippy vote from the democrats too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your vote is stupid - but not abusive'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I vote both.  I figure it's allowed if I keep telling them there's a mistake and they instead keep sending me voter cards to two places.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the brightside, you're not Greece (yet)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give it a few months'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'lmbimp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ssp'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what do you guys think went behind the scenes at 3 april?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3 april?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of chuckling over epic April Fool's Day pranks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'supposed start of the third world war'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at MagusTiberia.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposed by who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're, like, cut off'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'n korea wanted to launch a nuclear missile in remembrance of an old president'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'North Korea attacked SK and Japan, wiped them out entirely with the help of China and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Iran has officially taken over the ME and is assisting them in the fight against Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'N korea does not have a nuclear missile'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's just NK being NK.  They are like annoying trolls here on Aard--all talk and no action.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MagusTiberia chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually they DO have a missile capable of launching a nuclear warhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which would technically make it a "nuclear missile"'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the efficacy is highly in question, however'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a shit missile 'theoretically capable' of mounting a nuclear warhead, but incapable of striking anywhere with any kind of reliability, they also do not have a nuclear warhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh.. so they keep doing what? Setting off earthquakes to fake tests?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not miniaturised, best they could do is a hiroshima style dirty bomb'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'intel suggests they have the technology to miniaturize.. whether it's been DONE is irrelevant to whether the capability is there'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have nuclear warheads, they're just too big to put on missiles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'real problem is even if they can and do shrink it and can and do get it on a missile that can reach the U.S., they won't have a thousand of them to launch at once like the Soviets did'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole country is starving to death, to overegg what they can do is absurd'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if there's anything 'missile shield' technology will work against, it's NK'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you ever been to NK Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not personally, but have seen the documentaries'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, you mean the propaganda?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I seen those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also seen aliens attack Earth and The Avengers really kicked ass (SPOLER ALERT)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't make it real'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is ever going to actually use nukes to such a degree that a missile shield wouldn't be overly-effective or that a critical miss would significantly devastate the target country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wish I was as confident of that as you are'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'best I can do is agree it's possible no one WILL use that many nukes until shield technology is sufficiently advanced to protect us anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The thing that the intelligence community are most worried about with N Korea is a crash landing of the regime - it would bankrupt S Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's exactly the same sort of trick parents pull when they count to three versus a problem child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are -not- worried about a military assault because it would be shortlived and futile on the NK part'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not to mention millions of refugees pouring into China, whose people are all starving too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at (Overlord) Onslaught.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know that the saber-rattling was all China's idea, right?  It gives them a patsy to blame if they miscalculated badly, but it also gives them an outlet for their anti-west sentiments without appearing to be anti-west directly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just watched "America's Gun - The rise of the AR15" on CNBC'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the saga of 5.56mm tumbling bullet :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'musta missed that part'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the AR15 is the citizenized version of the M16, which, being a combat weapon, is supposed to fire full metal jacket bullets. The problem with it is that the jacket is so thin that it ablates and collapses when entering the body causing the bullet to tumble and, in effect, negate the point of the jacket. It pays lip service to the Geneva Convension, barely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so long as it meets the letter... I wonder what the geneva convention say about IEDs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should the Government have control over what you create on your personal 3D printer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if its not commercialized, advertised or used in a way that would stir emotional reaction from the public, then i suppose not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about an automatic rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if you print something just for home use / viewing, i don't see why there should be a problem. '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'where would you get the blue prints?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you understand that 3D printers can create FUNCTIONAL items, correct?  like controled components that can actually be used to make a functioning fully automatic assault rifle?  The files are available open source online.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'most every metal smith can make a shotgun in their backyard.. The gun itself is axiomatic by law. But when he wants to, say, buy gun powder for ammo, then the line should be drawn.. You can create a rifle on a 3d bench but, you can't create gunpowder that way. If that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the gunpowder, primers and casings (and complete rounds, for that matter) are readily available in stores everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'yeah, i caught that in your prev explaination'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but your plastic rifle is going to suck'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'thats where US and SA law differs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not exaclty... there's a fellow that has created the lower reciever and it works quite well'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND, the now-controled high cap magazines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'say we, hypothetically speaking, live in the new age of stable, reliable fusion energy. What then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'energy becomes cheap and virtually unlimited?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'time to try communism again'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humans will always have a need to improve, compete, and advance - communisism still won't work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can still have that and with unlimited free energy the social order would change anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'something like that. Energy would be practically unlimited.. Where scientists were restricted before, they could now, with loopholes in the law etc, build like, sustaining anti gravity fields. It may seem fancy at first, until its used as a weapon. What would the government do then? '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would propose that its "need" as a weapon would preceed it's existence as a work-saver.. e.i.  The nukclear bomb came before the nukclear power plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war drives invention'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'one polarity will push, the other will suppress. At the end of the day, you can cork the holes in a barrel forever'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll assume "can't"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why would you say the era of trolls came to be?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why or when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I rest my case'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis chan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nine states have welfare wage/hour equivilent that is higher than the national average wages of a teacher.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, and Canada is full of people who think our teachers should be paid the same as the U.S teachers, because they think that'll save them enough money to warrant a decline in education standards.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, apparently the govt is sending out memos to law enforcement agencies to curtail use of their guns to save ammo.   They are recommended to run, hide, and throw objects they can find around them instead.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you had to design a game. would you start from the story or the details of gameplay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gameplay.. you can drape any 'ol crappy story you want on the game if the mechanics are good'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you want a story... read a book'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or watch TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or watch a movie'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or read the toilet stalls in the subway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'conversely, doing a good story can inspire ideas for mechanics'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the heart of a game is GAMEPLAY'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'in the american sense, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then do the story in your head and apply the mechanics you come up with to gameplay.... don't waste my time with a sappy story when I want to PLAY... and any game I play had BETTER have skipable cut scenes... nothing I hate more than being forced to watch some sappy cutscene... That's when I go for more beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if the Japs spend more on games or not,... but I doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'look at MMORPG's and any form of online competition.. People are so focused about the game play itself. Let me make an example (and please, i'm accusing no one, nor intentionally generalizing) .. You get two diff aardwolf players.. One that rushes through the game, focuses on stats, builds, borderline botting, being objective minded. He's trying to build a superior char, using efficient farming, maximizing every second he has... Then you get the other player who reads descriptions, imagining it in his head. The only exciting thing about leveling up for him, is the new spells and skills he has access to. He's more artistic minded about the game'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... different players... and plenty of grey in between'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, there's a few story-minded players out there, but they all write for industry magazines, and are the only reason that story-driven games get flowery reviews... "OMG!  the story was SOOO wonderfull....5 Stars!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'my point is, if you play the game objectively, why not just do a crossword puzzle. Approaching things intelligently is fun up to a point, before it becomes a drag. No, i think being more appreciative about the finer, minute details of the game makes it fun. '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not I... I designate an objective, establish a method, and EXECUTE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, to be fair, I respect your play style... I just don't understand it, nor do I wish too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the writing in this game, for example, just isn't that good.  I read books... A LOT of books... and there are better authors out there...  in fact, they're all better 'n this tripe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I am going to spend my time on a story... I do all the stuff I ranted about earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'caveat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'you would build up your character according to stats, abilities, class and racial benefits, maximizing its usefulness, while i would build my character based on aesthetics and cosmetics. If a character looks good to me, and has a gripping backdrop, I'll use that char, weak as it is, and enjoy my campaign.. Its a left vs right brain situation'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do look at the words... for only one reason - to pussle out the mind of the zone author....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for example.. it isn't hard to determine a zone authors point of view when all the catholic figures, from priests to worshipers, in his zone are evil aligned, while the tree worshipers are good aligned'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or where any adult figure is evil, and child figures are good'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or where steve and bruce has a lovely house together'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'explain 'zone author' to me. The concept is alien to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'type, for example, "help atlantis"... you will note the Area Author is Domain.  or, you can type "areas", and you will see the zones builders... builder/author are the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some are generic... where the author/builder is unknown, or lost to history, or the zone is stock/generic, you will usually see lasher as the author... or aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'I'll get back to you tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice discussion'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, indian point nuclear power plant is one of the oldest plants in the US, and sits near 2 major earthquake fault lines that were not known 40 years ago.  It is falling apart, but the NRC renewed its license for another 20 years without requiring new investment to make it safer up to 7 point quakes.  I can probably survive a 3 pt quake right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also about 15 miles from NYC....bye bye NYC'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it can survive that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress has cut the budget of the NRC by 18% in the last decade.....The NRC oversees the commercial nuclear power plants in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can thank the republicans for most of those cuts, including hundreds of personnel from the inspection division of the NRC.  Republicans were angered when the NRC was becoming tough on commercial nuclear power plants in their states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to green liberals who what an end to nuclear power entirely - and coal - and oil... they'de have us paying $5,000 a month to heat a trailer house!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because the environment is "priceless"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'meh, we'll just get another one'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"let not one single wood pecker be harmed while harvesting that forest" - a perfectly renewable resource, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It wouldnt cost much to upgrade the nuclear power plants, maintenance they SHOULD be doing in the first place, but are not until they HAVE too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a car that's that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better yet, shut them all down and replace them with the new gen5 nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'wonder what the excuse will be when the earthquake strikes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, my car not working won't result in disaster'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Brookhaven nuclear lab released over 12 million gallons of tritium water over a 15 year period.....and that one was govt owned. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'http://what-if.xkcd.com/29/'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'say, Riz... wern't you rejoicing over the dismantling of the nations air infrasctructure the other day?  while not quite at the same potential disaster as a nukclear meltdown... the effect will be the same on a smaller scale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, I just want the asses who use it to pay more for it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reduced maintenance - fewer inspections - fewer "safe" alternate landing areas.... etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like the national parks, the people who use it should be paying more for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I was thinking about your sentiment the other day, and it occured to me... where do you think those "asses" will go once their airfileds are shut down?  they'll start clogging the main terminals!  that's where.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when you buy ammo or guns, you pay a 10% tax or so that funds the national and state parks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or fishing gear, crossbows, arrows, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't hunt in parks....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let the city slickers who don't have their own parks pay the taxes on them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I OWN my park and hunting grounds'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last year a record amount of tax income tax made because of the run on guns and ammo....gotta love the sheep.....something like $600 million was raised.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxes on hunting/fishing eq that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it goes deeper than that... the only part of a bullet that I can't make or recycle is the primer... have you tried to buy rifle and pistol primers lately?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seniors age 62 or older can buy a lifetime pass to the parks for $10.....while I have to pay $100 per year. for state and federal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got them for free when I was active duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most seniors who go to the parks go in huge expensive Rvs....make em pay more for the damn pass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've been paying for them their entire lives... let them enjoy them now'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bullshit, I am paying for their entire lives, they can afford to pay a regular price for the pass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and MOST get to the parks on economy senior tour bus trips.. packed in like sardines because that's all they can afford'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THEY paid for the seniors before them.. .that's what's BROKEN about SS... but it's what we have... why should the CURRENT seniors get left holding the bag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the greatest generation is pretty much gone.....the baby boomers lived off the largesse of the greatest generation.....and caused a lot of the problems today....let them pay $10 per freaking year then. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is going to cost about $1 billion to tear down three mile island based on todays money.  It produced power for 90 days only....and it cost almost $1 billion to decontaminate back in 1980.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so?  did they KNOW that when they built it?  I would propse that all they knew was the bleating american public screaming for cheap power'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '20/20 hidsight, and all that'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be nice if we had a nuclear power regulatory system that was as good as France has.....then perhaps our plants wouldnt be in such bad shape.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you will find a single soul that will debate that GOV = Waste.. at least not here'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all we have to do is pay 63% tax... and it too could be ours'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can see it dripping down your pants. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that france doesn't pay through the ass for taxes, or that we could increase government spending without increasing our own taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's your solution?  how are you going to pay for this regulatory commision?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By removing the gloves on the NRC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can remove their gloves... but they aren't going to be worth wpit if you don't resource the,'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '...them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give it back its normal budget, and allow its inspection division to do its job, and fine the bastards for releasing radioactive tritium water into the water sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what are you going to cut to "restore" their budget?  It's not like that money didn't get sent somewhere else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, it was sent to build one of those new $2 billion nuclear subs that we dont need....cut that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or one of those new $1 billion bombers, or a $12 billion air craft carrier...lets name the next one after Greenspan....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how much?  just enough so that we can beat the chinese in 10-15 years?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or should we just start teaching mandrin to our children now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, we spend 20x more on military than the chinese do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they have 20x more troops for cannon fodder'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and 20 times that standing by'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess you never saw the film Red Dawn......1 billion screaming chinese became 600 million after the country was nuked by the USSR.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 billion chinese does not scare me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we just nuke them... not much up on your foriegn policy, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you are the one who talked about the chinese invading us....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not worried about the chinese, why are you ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. it won't happen as long as we have enough nuclear subs trolling the pacific'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need $2 billion ones every couple years, we already have plenty to flatten any country in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stretch it out to 4 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technology moves on.. we have to stay up to date and ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Sun Tzu say, "man who bites hand that feeds him goes hungry"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like air craft carriers, we build a new one every 8 years now....we USED to build one every 3 years....but as the price goes up, we take longer to build them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will happen to all military weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sun yzu say "man who prepares for todays war loses"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to prepare for the next war, not the last one'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our military is prepared for 2 major wars that we will most likely create ourselves....ie iraq, or iran :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'This will be the Chinese century. get prepared for it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will also be the century of chinese pollution that envelops the country and kills hundreds of millions. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you could say we started WWII by not liking Japans balls in the 30's when they wanted us to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is their plan for true populaton control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'licking... not liking'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the brits and french started WWII :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and nazi aggression had nothing to so with it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they didn't.  It was a crazy ethnic balkan hating on another crazy ethnic balkan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '6 million dead jews didn't happen either, I suppose?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nazi aggression didnt come about until AFTER the concessions the germans were forced to pay because of WWI'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh aren't you thinking about ww i?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, snap.  I think so...'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they lost.  what do you expect'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which brought about the nazi rise'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which brought about WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thank god we didnt make the same mistake after WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we learned it was better to freak out our allies instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of forcing japan to fix themselves....we helped them to rebuild, germany also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and europe in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if our response would've been different if the commies hadn't successfully taken over half the Allied forces?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'you can put all the bad things in the world back to mongol invasions. they used catapults with plagued corpses of their soldiers in crimea and the genoese sailors brought it to central europe. that was a strange illness. a hundred million people died because of the plague, worlwide and jews were the ones who got the most hatred from europeans... see: spain, germany...  '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a bit late to blame ole genghis now'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly can't blame him for the current state of affairs - for that you have to look closer to home to the people who funded/control western governments'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly USA and NATO more widely'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you can always blame obama for everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Sure, it's worked so well for him against Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turnabout's fair play, and a bag of chips.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best to blame the organ grinder, not the monkey'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are mainstream media decrying that the gun control bill that failed had "strong public backing" when it didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of a rhetorical question really since we all know what the answer is'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a spin tactic based on obscure poll results'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it had strong public backing... from a very small percent of the public... strong... but small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, kinda irrelevent, 2nd ammendment trumps'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'replealing the second amendment has "strong" public backing'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'very strong... but also very small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it does, but the repeal wouldn't apply to members of congress and their army of aides.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like an ant is strong... but small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not good enough, need 66% in both houses and every state'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every state, too?  unanimous?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is what is required for a constitutional ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes along with the need for the constitution to be fixed and not changed on a partisan whim'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't kno that... where those conditions met for the eighteenth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must have been'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were met for all known amendments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... both conneticut and whode island rejected it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's the case, then the law has been broken'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless i misunderstand the procedure, i'm not american after all'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, as is often the case, lawyers of the time made shit up as they went along, even if they knew it was wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege puts his finger on his nose and points at tigerballs
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a mischaracterization, Vonliege.  They both ORIGINALLY cast a no vote, but at least one of them then reversed course.  When the ratification period expired, there were enough yes votes to cement it into the Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: '3/4 of the states need to retify to enact an amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wherebouts is that stated, for the record?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Article 5 of the US Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool beans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it doesn't have to be unanimous, but it does need to have very widespread support'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not an American citizen, Tiger, you should already know this stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is scarey is i know a shit ton more about it than most americans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I would feel confidant in expressing doubts about your claim to be the bitish/non-american normal, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean i'm not a normal Brit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because you might know more about it than us doesn't mean britons in general do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'means you are as american as paul bunyan, but pretend not to be =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two things stand me apart from most brits: 1. I have a pulse, 2. I'm capable of rational independant thought'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet blood sausage and haggis disgusts neither of you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'i'd eat them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither disgusts me, but neither do I desire to eat them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the west even -contemplating- intervening in Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've already stuck their oar in where it's not wanted sufficiently'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because when we decide to do nothing everyone bitches about how America isn't living up to their duties and obligations as a policing superpower.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell them to fuck off and mind their own busines'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of being a superpower is not being so easily manipulated by such comments'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, if you're gonna include the unspoken acts like trade tariffs and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a great service could be performed by getting rid of Lindsay Graham from the house'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whats the agro situation there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good what'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aggro situation in oz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Leave me alone! *weep*'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll give you one for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and no, noegle... I wasn't talking to your boyfriend about blowjobs! =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'git yer mind outa the gutter'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagin giving a kid a BB gun at a carnival today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'end again... I mischan... again'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'my house or your house? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like gold is recovering well after the manufactured dip a few weeks ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and the planet is also cooling nicely'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"manufactured?" he asks, as if that weren't the point'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many physical sellers are reporting shortages, large premiums are being charged as the spot price is being pegged artificially low by position traders'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like free-market to me.. nothing artificial about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true free market would not allow the trading in positions'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get whatever someone will pay for it... "artificial" would be for the exchange to report a price that wasn't being paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile when everything goes to shit, gold hoarders have fun with their shiny while I stick with my Spam Mountain(TM)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what it is, vonliege, the quoted price isn't the actual price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and .22 shells... don't forget the .22 shells'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's manipulation of the 'stock' price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the quoted price is not the real price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'manipulation, perhaps.. but that's part of the game'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like fixing the price of gas artificially low, then having everywhere run out'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if someone with a strong position can manipulate the price in a particular direction, that's capitalism at work... nothing artificial about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will actually be paying a far higher price because of scarcity, but the governing body will still be claiming the price is low'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism != free market'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it does as far as I'm concerned... you say twinkie, and I say yellow sponge snack cake.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism = too big to fail, free market = let teh fuckers go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't recall ever seeing that definition in an economics class'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither would you unless you took one after 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, I've never taken an economics class.... still sounds like you're making crap up, though =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'class = academia = liberal bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? you think bailing the banks out was a good idea, and how free markets were supposed to work?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... but we wern't talking about banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was, maybe you were not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'banks should have fallen on their arses, and jumped-up po folks should have been tossed outa their mcmansions in the street'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the people responsible for libor thrown in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that wasn't about "free-market"... THAT was artificial... THAT was government stepping in to make sure folks voted for them in the fall.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you're going back to the gold incident, then we're essentially arguing the difference between "artificial", "manipulated", and "distorted" within the context of what happened'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Save the Banks!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT was government making sure that the evil capitalist PAID... and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whut?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when banks were made to give the houses back to the po folks at a huge lose... they PAID.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the who folks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor = po'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who made them do that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least in LA'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the deadbeats who couldnt afford to buy them in the first place but did anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not los angeles'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya!... those folks, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall seeing that story, and doubt it compensates the rest of the public for the billions that were stolen off the public to pay for the bailout'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly never happened here'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rich footed the lions share of that "economic down turn"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should buy an RV and live in it fulltime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich did no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what did they do?  squeeze it out of poor peoples asses?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor people don't pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'combination of squeezing it out of poor people's asses and adding it to the public debt, and yes they do pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'they squeezed it out of the poor peoples' politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'except the poor don't have politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they do in UK.. but not in the US... poor peopel get money BACK from taxes... money they didn't pay in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, over $2 trillion in wealth disappeared during the recession of 2008-2010, but the rich got their money back when the stock market bounced back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the ones who kept their stock holdings did, the idiots who sold lost it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the earned income tax credit....if you make a certain amount of money or less....you get your taxes back x2'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here you don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA appears to be a regime where nobody pays tax, not surprising you're broke'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not broke, we just prefer to borrow it from saps in other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rich get richer because they borrow money instead of spending their wealth, so that it can be used to make more money instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money begats money'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing against people making money, only people fiddling the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have someone earning $250k paying only 18% tax, while someone earning $40k paying 40%, you've probably got something wrong with your tax system'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone making 40k is not paying 40%'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like %12'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'm paying 35%, if i moved out, i'd be paying 45%'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the "hump" still exists in america, though it might be slightly lower'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I paid about 28% last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and no state income tax here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... I am just sick about everyone bitching about the rich.  I have a VERY comfortable quality of life.  I have cars that work - a house that doesn't leak - food on my table that doesn't suck.  And it's because I am part of an economic system where at some point, someone with money did something right.  So what if they got richer doing it?  Where did this idea that "having a pulse entitles you to jack-shit" come from?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people bitching about the rich doesnt bother me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle are always going to bitch at the rich and the poor because they see the rich not pulling their share, feeding off everyone, and trying to tug up the ladder after them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they see the poor dragging them down and taking what they have'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rich pay more taxes in actual dollars compared to the middle class or the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if they have money.. they GET to manipulate the system... that's the point of having the money in the first place.  they EARNED it, or were born into it, or stole it.. either way, they're winners.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's predictable, and -somewhat- justified, just not in all cases'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your definition of 'winner' is fux0red'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a winner on account of I have food that doesn't suck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when did America become about winning at all costs, irrespective of cheating or hurting others?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: '1972'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... around the industrial revolution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'america has always been about winning.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it began in the revolutionary war....we HAD to win'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot the neocons ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rockefeller, carnige, bunch of others... great american instrialist...they made what we have in america today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'George Washington.....end of story.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also made the monopolies that guaranteed their domination, and are responsible for all the millions of corpses and continued war to boot'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America was always about winning... it wasn't until recently that it became about propping up the losers'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to call them winners, you might as well call Hitler a winner'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ol george lost almost every battle, but he didnt quit.....and he won the ones that counted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Mao Zedong'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call then successful at what they set out to achieve, but don't call them winners'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hitler ended up in a charred hole in the ground... or argentina.. either way - he lost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone ends up in a hole in the ground or charred'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'semantics... ok... their are successful... so stop hating on successful people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Britain had its share of whacko rulers. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In a hole in the ground..'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be critical of people without hating them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, it's as much the fault of the system as it is of theirs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this channel mirrors the media and the unwashed masses... critisism gave way to flat out belly-aching along time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that argument fell apart the second the banker bailout occured'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better then going belly up and causing even more problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't you get it?  the banks ARE government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make it any better, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i don't agree, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the banks paid back the money from the profits it made off your butts. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have a free market and then prevent failing businesses from failing, that's privatising the profit, socialising the risk'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we agreed that that was jacked up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And you cant have $1.2 trillion banks going out of business like you can a $5 billion bank.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it's reality, and I moved on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell that to the people who would have lost all their deposits above $250k, cause that is all they would get back from the govt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the situation, but yes, they probably would'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a 250k deposit guarantee, 99.9% of people would have been unaffected by that particular loss'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most rich people spread out their deposits also.....about $200k per bank.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you've just shot down your own argument. People would be affected by the detonation of stock price, so there'd be a correction in the value of pension plans, portfolios etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you still cant let a $1.2 trillion bank go out of business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously doubt that damage would have been any worse than the shock bailing out the banks caused to the economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you MUST'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you just fired 80,000 people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any business being wound up, any assets and business parts that could be sold off, would do so'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'd be job losses, but then there were anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which takes years to settle the dust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the meantime you have the 80,000 people who lost their direct jobs, plus all the jobs lost by businesses connected to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes years to settle post-bailout, our bailed out banks are still restructuring and are still majority owned by the state 5 years on'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of lost business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it spreads like a wildfire....it HAD to be stopped at the source....hence the bailout.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's different to 80,000 lost jobs across the economy as a whole caused by the bailout how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bailout didnt cause any jobs being lost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prove it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the jobs figures 2008-2013, look at jobs losses in bailed out banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that wasnt caused by the bailout, that was caused by the construction industry recession.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '101,000 banking jobs have been lost in the Uk since 2008 '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as of 9th Jan 2012'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something that never happened in Texas btw, or any other large energy producing state except california.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '500,000 financial sector layoffs in the USA since 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just over 300,000 pan-EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks do not need as many people when they are not making as much money or handling peoples money actively.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks have started hiring again, but slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so has construction.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have it both ways :-) Bail-out or no bail-out, there were going to be losses, financial and employment'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you can, we are America...we can do anything...you should know that by now! :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is that a bail-out debases the market and pushes more of the pain onto the working man, bankruptcy would have hit investors harder'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a standard case of the elite looking after number 1'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even AIG paid back most of its bailout.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the banks paid back their loans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GM still owes some, so does chrysler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just to chime in, the big problem with the bailout was that it basically patted the upper-echelon bank employees on the back and told them, "It's okay if you guys fucked us, we'll still make sure you don't have to take any salary cuts"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they did take salary cuts, for the 2 years they took the loans :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bank CEO's were still walking away with millions, and dishing out huge bonuses to upper managers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'central banks were printing money and GIVING it to banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still are'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no matter how hard we try to devalue the dollar....people around the world keep buying our damn bonds. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually that will change'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take several more years though'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont understand though....the more we devalue the dollar, the easier it becomes to pay off our debt. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and the poorer everyone becomes while you do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another way to screw over the poor and middle classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will the japanese pass the chinese as the largest holder of US debt ?!1'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the poor and middle class will have good jobs again when the dollar has devalued even more, and more products are manufactured in the US instead of imported from china.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention all the tourists that come to the US to take advantage of the weaker dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have jobs as some manufacturing moves back to the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, they will be low paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better then working at mcdonalds for $8 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will probably be much the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build cars for $22 an hour plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe $12-15 an hour'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This is known as "The invisible middle finger of the market"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in devalued currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the thing with devaluing your currency - stuff costs more'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the currency is only devalued when you go overseas'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of milk will still be the same as normal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll go up if the cost of feed goes up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'imports cost more'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont import feed, :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only imports of things we dont need will go up with a devalued dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have been, and probably will do'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'things made here with materials made here do not go up fast.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if your producers can get more exporting them or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no but demand for us products does go up so price might rise some '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have never imported grains into the US :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we produce more then we can use.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'assuming US  currency devaluation '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but if we export ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US currency devalution makes US made goods cheaper to buy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'for non US '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been trying to devalue the US currency for 20 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, cheaper for export, but the same price for US.  People will still be working for good wages, and actually have good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'demand for exports goes up price demanded for those good will also go up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if you dont produce more :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'both forgien price and domestic price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then your addin two factors'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure at some point we wont be able to produce more and more, but that day is not now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats goes against a fundamental way analysis is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GMO for the win....the europeans wont eat it, so more for us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can only change one thing at a time and in this case its devauation of currency '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only tell you how it affects me. Devaluing the GB currency just makes my life worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you guys do realize you are not supposed to be devaluing your currency...it makes it harder for the US to do it :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the German economy...they know how to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany's economy is almost the same as the US, 1/4th the size and 1/4th the people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, deep fried cat intestines on a stick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Bizarre foods went to Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should try muktuk at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had a 3-4 day old egg from the supermarket... that was good... so was the 6-7 month old bacon, and the 4-5 month old frozen orange juice'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got stop with the mischans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the better dogs can pull with just three legs... gives you something to snack on during those long runs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, nk has been downright quiet lately....perhaps china told em to shut the hell up, or no more cheap basketball shipments!'