T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can someone explain the prolonged implications of the shutdown'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Ohhhh look at this. Gov't is shut down, only "skeleton crews" operating - and yet life goes on'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Holy crap. These plans on the exchanges have deductibles up to $10000. Who the hell buying health care through the exchange is going to have $10k laying around?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I am majorely pissed. The last thing I hear before going to sleep is that the government is indeed mostly shut down. When I wake up, I hear people bickering like little schoolgirls fighting over who hates worms the most.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'excuse my language. Heat of the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'doesn't this tick anyone else off?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'All because our president wants to enforce a useless and complicated system of controlling our healthcare. Seriously? I told people that Obama wasn't the right man, and all I recieved in return is "dont be racest lol" when my points had absolutely NOTHING to do with race. I hate to say it, I really do, but I TOLD YOU SO. X_X'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'look past the color of his skin and he is an idiot. Don't vote for someone primarely because they are white or black or green or blue. Get a frikken feel for WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR OR TO OUR COUNTRY. Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer claps at Blade Lord Kizactrin's actions.
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'all you little children that pulled the "you just hate him because he is black" get off your frikken high horse and actually vote for someone who will do our country GOOD next time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'if we even HAVE a country. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I voted clinton the first time and whoever was running against him this time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'help Troll harder.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the not-very-shut-down government shut down goign?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'as expected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'more productive now!'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, nobody noticed except the federal workers who get some time off'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting some typically BBC'ish coverage in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or the ones who need to work anyway without pay'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not evitable that they won't be paid'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it is a risk'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're quite used to disruption here, what with union strikes and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about the Occupy debit card?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard about that one, Hans, tell us abou tit'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was struggling to explain it to my british colleagues at work today because if the UK parliament fails to pass the budget vote it evitably triggers a general election'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have to row them back, explain the american system, which means explaining that it's dysfunctional when split and there's no agreement, explain that it happens because the system wasn't designed to cope with the size, scope and complexity of the current administration'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, it's working exactly as designed'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy Wall Street is attempting to become a financial-services brand for the 99%.  They're looking to start a prepaid debit card that runs on fees ($1.95 for withdrawals, $0.99 for balance checks, among others) for folks who can't afford bank accounts.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"can't afford bank accounts"?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bank fees are a bear, apparently.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find that entirely inexplicable given that bank accounts are free to hold here'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tend to nail your arse to a tree if you go overdrawn, however'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we get totally screwed over with mortgage/loan rates'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess you win some, you lose some'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many banks have overdraft fees, some have retention fees if you go below a certain amount'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of them have access fees such as off-network ATM usage.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there exist accounts here with subscription fees which give you extra features like travel insurance, but the vast majority of accounts here are free provided you have a positive balance'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our ATMs are free, except the dodgy ones at "events" and in some malls'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is awesome, though: http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love to see old folks sticking it to the man'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of credit unions and smaller banks point and laugh at the bigger ones like Bank of America, who have actually made it a point to get rid of customers.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'have to say I'm pretty happy with my credit union'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banks whose profits are mostly from investment banking don't want nor need highstreet bank customers because the central banks are giving them free money to spend'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish we had more credit unions here'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice the shutdown didn't stop the opening of a $2bn NSA spy center'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they need a occupy debit card, why not set up an occupy bank after the UK model with zero cost banking?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future of GMO foods is putting in the lacking amino acids in foods like fruits and vegetables...that is the holy grail, and it would change everything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'imagine eating an apple that had a complete protein profile......'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'or poison us'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little chance of that.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'famous last words'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been changing foods for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'only for the past few at the cellular level'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slightly changing the genetic makeup is the next logical step.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there will come a point when slightly goes too far.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the distant future we will have machines that do it instantly....like food replicators.....creating a food with a perfect nutritional profile.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'then we only need to define perfect. and life would suck if we all lived on some tastless green slime'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can say that about everything.....so perhaps you should go back to living in a cave...but then again, that was a next logical evolutionary step...so perhaps go back to sleeping on the floor of the jungle. :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we should stop all research on making microprocessors faster, cause who knows maybe they will gain sentience someday :p  You dont stop research and development of things because something might happen, you do it because odds are it will improve life in leaps and bounds.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gmo foods do that.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like everything else, it is how you use things that matter'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'on the same page though, I also want open disclosure of what was changed before it enters the food supply :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and proper labeling on food ingredients of gmo foods.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, global climate change is going to force us to adapt, and that will require producing more food with less land, and more variable weather patterns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that forestry lab in the pac nw that was burned by the ELF idiots was doing research on creating a tree species that captured more co2 than existing trees, and grows faster, which would be a real benefit with an atmosphere with increasing levels of co2'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need a new pine tree that is resistant or immune to the bark beetle....otherwise the tree is going to go extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scientists are working on it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, A plant with a sugar flower, a perfect protein berry, and carbohydrate leaves.  The perfect salad.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add olive oil and there you go.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. deficit, which has acted like a crutch for the weak private sector and weaker state governments, isn't just shrinking. It's disappearing, falling nearly 50 percent in the first nine months of FY2013 from a year earlier with sequestration setting in.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess the world isnt going to stop rotating after all.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sequestor is working.....the automatic growth of govt has been stopped in its tracks, now we just need to fix broken govt programs and funding, and do it smarter.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which isnt going to happen as long as those idiots in congress will not work together.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the idiots in congress are working fine, it's the idiots in congress and the idiots in the senate not working together, which is slightly different'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the obamacare sign up going, anyone found their insurance premiums reduced yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why is the white house ordering parks closed that have no resources provided by the federal government?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the latest is that the obamacare fines for non-compliance will be seized direct from your bank account, your driving license will be frozen, and there could be a tax lien placed against your house'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the latest is that the obamacare fines for non-compliance will be seized direct from your bank account, your driving license will be frozen, and there could be a tax lien placed against your house'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no threat'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they'll probably use that money to fund the post office'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Razkin D
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://thelasttradition.blogspot.com/2013/10/msnbc-anchor-laughably-cant-access.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, saw that,a nd a couple of others on tv too'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'post office is self-funding, apparently, which is nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it funds itself like a business.  ie. no taxes are used for it'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is losing money, unlike the UK postal service'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, well, since it's run like a business, it responds to the market like a business'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ie. if no one wants their service, then they lose money'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, everything is really messed up.  I can't even get upset about it anymore.  I'm like over-saturated with my frustration, I can't even feel it anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, teh wife is home. gotta go'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, nobody debating since this time last night?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a serious disengagement problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Cruz drew a larger crowd for a grassroots rally last night than Obama got for his headline rally appearance on the campaign trail last year'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigger by a factor of 4'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has Senator Reid blocked a motion that would fund national parks and the VA during the shutdown?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know why anyone is doing anything anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's coming to a head, the IMF have stuck their oar in, predictably'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I reckon the houses will blink though in reality what they need to do is tell the IMF to go to hell'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really only the brainwashing of the regime media that's buying either side any support right now'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jessie Ventura appearing on Piers Morgan had it right - get rid of them, don't vote for either party, vote for anyone else buty'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's a scary day when you're pointing to Ventura for common sense, especially being on Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'by the way, he's still here, you guys need to take him back'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck that, you get to keep him'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and jessie's fine'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I actually don't have any problems with Ventura, it's just that he sometimes get riled up about different conspiracies'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd take him over Piers anyday'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never seen him be irrational about that, it's usually ignorant interviewers that deliberately misinterpret what he says'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, his comments do tend to get blown out of proportion, that is something most media enjoy doing'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're approaching that lovely debt ceiling again, hopefully the government will be up and running in time to fail at handling that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wall street are making a fucking fortune atm thanks to this'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DC police executed an unarmed woman today, btw'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I saw that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'her kid was in the car, or at least last time I checked there was a kid in the car'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, the lady was nuts, but they seemed to shoot her pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, I wasn't watching t.v. or anything, so I kind of read about it after it happened'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she wasn't even nuts, she just got flustered at a roundabout and the DC cops flipped out'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know how ditzy women drivers can be'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, I didn't read that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm married, so I don't know if I should answer that or not '
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ran into a cop, so that's why they shot her'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is that the cop that was injured?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when I last checked on the story, all I could find out was that she was dead, a cop was injured, and there was a kid in the car'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, everything I'm seeing, still says she was fleeing the police'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's normal to shoot fleeing people?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure that's illegal :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't feel bad though, your mind is built to rationalise and justify the actions of perceived authority, even when it is unjustifiable, that's how Hitler got away with shit'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the woman was probably on anti-depressant medication'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my prediction, i bed 1000gp :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest news, UN scientists say the Ghoutta chemical attack work is so full of inconsistencies and inaccuracies that they may dispute entirely the narrative put out by the US and it's allies'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile Russian ambassadorial sources have gone on the record claiming they have significant evidence the attack was perpetrated by an Al-quaeda group with chemicals provided by the Saudi Arabian government'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck, if these two are true, shit could get real'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US surveillance of the Internet will cost the US economy $180bn over the next 3 years alone as foreign companies are obligated to not use US cloud servers'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the fascists in Michigan have banned all heritage pigs from farms in the state....the DNR instituted a $10,000 fine per pig if one of your pigs on your land has any of the vague unknown characteristics of a 'feral' pig.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every farmer in Michigan should get a couple heritage pigs.....bankrupt the facists in the govt as they try to enforce the anti pig law.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 4 blenders, and 2 food processors.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why? testing different ones?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I never throw em away when I get a new one.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds like me, I got a new toaster and kept the old one'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, my new toaster can toast texas toast......it is a must. :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the new one is a toaster oven and not just a popup toaster'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I use it for all kinds of stuff, baking potatoes, etc'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my new toaster is so powerful, pop tarts glow in the dark for years after cooking.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'onions are strange plants.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'first the states ban heritage pigs from small farms.....eventually they will ban heritage fruits and veggies, and other animals, so that only the big commercial food producers are allowed to grow food.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'heritage pig?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, non commercial hogs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'man.. i thought it was just corps like monsanto trying to push their "invented" crops.. but banning natural occurances? lets just stop evolution completely while we are at it. nothing will go wrong here.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small hog farm that breeds heritage pigs was fined by the michigan dnr $700,000 for not killing their perfectly healthy, and friendly pigs by the deadline.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the farm is suing the michigan dnr'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'i hope they win, that is ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the lawsuit has been going on for almost 2 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the state keeps trying to stall it, and asking the judge to dismiss it.....the state does NOT want to go to court and have to defend how a pig is considered feral or not.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hope the farm is getting some help with the legal bills'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'sounds about right.. they know they will lose and other farmers won't be scared anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the legal team is donating their time, and they have raised about $50,000 from people donating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'or at least they deserve to lose.. i guess with our society they could win..'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well michigan is well-known for defending the indefensible'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they jailed a guy there on marital rape on completely bogus charges'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they ban non commercial breeds of pigs from family farms....what is next?  the banning of non commercial cattle or chickens ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'basically, she sued him for divorce and for rape at the same time -- they froze his assets for the divorce, so he couldn't pay a lawyer, but they wouldn't appoint him a lawyer because he had too much money -- that he couldn't touch'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'michigan defended it for years'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they finally paroled him, but he spent 24 years in jail -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hetherington_case'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so I wouldn't expet this state to be rasonable on anything else'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michigan is run by facists.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, aljezeera.com reported the US commando strike in Libya and Somalia hours before US networks did.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody in the US thinks it's strange that the US is attacking people on the other side of the world. That's just the way it is supposed to be. It's barely news.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'well, its been going on for generations now.  many people seem to accept the world that they grow up in as being normal'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's really sad.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'al-pork-sha-kabob claimed the bombing, so we sent commandos into their hideout.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the mall attack, not just the bombing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To be fair, I bet a lot of people do care. It's just that they are not protesting loudly enough.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aljazeera.com reported that alkabob members were bewildered as why westerners would invade their hideout. '
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So am I.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering that the alkabob members are mostly foreigners in Somalia themselves...they have no right to wonder why other foreigners would not attack them for attacking the mall. :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'they are using certain polotical party's logic...'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The demopublican party?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'no, jsut the republocrats'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Both the US parties seem to agree that it's ok to kill people, if they are of another color.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'human urine is a very good fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I talked to a psychologist a couple of weeks ago, the idea of using human urine/exrement as fertilizer seriously upset her.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'urea is one of the most commonly used fertilizers'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I asked in a very serious voice whether she wanted to talk about it..'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why on earth ... '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'would that be upsetting?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Search me, some shrinks are..odd :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's much better to pollute the environment by looking for places to dump human byproducts while using chemicals to fertilize the land?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'my soul issue with humanure, is pharmacueticals'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does animal excrement as fertilizer upset her too?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'sole'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, of course, chemicals are like 100% pure natural products'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I wouldn't want my crop to be erect for more then 4 hours without an agronomist on call.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to use diluted urine to fertilize my 4x20 foot corn patch, and compare it to one with just the 2 feet of composted soil and see if it helps since corn is a notorious user of nitrogen'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well that is why you wash your produce, even if it wasn't produced with human shit, do you think the migrants who pick it walk all the way to the portajohn when they gotta go? :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will apply the diluted urine once a week for the duration.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'will you eat a consistant diet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a horse ranch closeby, so I can get truckloads of free horse manure mixed with hay to make into compost.....it is great stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all my raised beds will be using horse manure compost from now on.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I plant right in the earth, no raised beds'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have always used raised beds with compost of some kind, crushed rock for mineralization, and other compliments.....it just grows better than plain dirt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is easier on the back also.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Texas has lousy soil, mostly sand and clay so it has to be mixed with compost for good results.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'using biomass to produce energy vs using biomass to produce more biomass'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'any one have an educated opinion'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'burn coal with 5% woodchips.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i heard you mention that the other day %5 woodpellets to increase output of coal by 10%'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems like that one might be worth it'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you think by amending very sandy soils with compost matter one could make land more suitable for growing palnts'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course, that is what I do.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'awsome have you taken any before after pictures'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use shitloads of horse manure mixed with hay, piled about 5 feet tall, sprayed with water, covered with a tarp, and 5 weeks later you have a nice rich compost......at the 2 week mark I remove the tarp and mix up the pile, spray with more water and recover, and let sit for 3 more weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pardon the pun.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or kept logs on the amount of compost needed '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no logs, I just use it when it is needed.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 20 truckloads of horse manure composting right now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im thinking if you dug out like 2 -3 foot deep filled with compost and then cover back out with the sand it might be benifitial'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually get a load whenever I am going near the horse farm.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i doug oa 4 ft hole a long time ago my dad finally filled it in with raked up oak leafs'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is what I do....I remove 2 feet of the sandy soil, fill it with my composted manure, then put up 24 inch tall raised beds filled with more compost, that gives me 4 feet of compost for growing stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and lmost instantly it started growing some of the lushest greenest grass on the whole property'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every few months I add more compost to the raised beds, it just compacts down over time creating super rich dirt perfect for growing almost anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh cool i think you could do it with a yard too'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'for growing green manure type of crops'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have grown lettuces, beans, cabbages, corn, radishes, carrots, tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, herbs, squashes, melons, and lots more with my composted raised beds.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( can you spell  psilocybin? )
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'iI though cabbage can grow well in sand soils'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'putting in a 20x20 foot covered 12 inch raised bed to grow short bush tomatoes as an experiment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'have you ever though of millet beds or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wish you could take cuttings from a mature determinate tomato plant....'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hate growing from seeds :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has to be a way to do tomato cutting i would think'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was also reading the other day about guinea fowl'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can with indeterminate, but you have to take the cuttings early from a determinate, a mature determinate dies after the tomatoes are done.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pretty cool birds they do a good job at insect reduction '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an indeterminate tomato plant can produce tomatoes for years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they also like to eat what is growing in your garden, so keep them out of the growing part, just let them eat the bugs before the bugs get to the growing part.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is there no way to knock a tomato pant back into a vegetative growth  with artificial lighting ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well what i was reading was saying they dont really mess so much with the plants'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at Epcot Center, a chinese biologist grew 32,000 tomatoes from 1 plant in 18 months, the tomato plant covered 630 square feet.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'awsome'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wish i had like 100 acres to mess with'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 150 acres here, but 100 of them are for the cows :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how many cows does that handle'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only have 10 cows and 1 bull, plus the calves.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and do you have any mini cows or goats'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 donkeys'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chickens, and rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that sounds about right for grass fed calving cows'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 's few minis might be lucrative'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like 2 cows and just artificially impregnate'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cows pay the property taxes and keep the lights on until the tomato business takes over.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, tomato and pepper business.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was also reading how a few goats can increase the production of a pasture'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so do pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'since they are foragers and cows are grazers'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would use a pig as scrap desposal'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to get some cows to do the bookkeeping, didn't know that also did taxes :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they are good at paying property taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can, elch, but they're also MUCH more difficult to fence in'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'goats?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I wont have any goats.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea that prob very true'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs eventually'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will ... I live in kudzu territory! :D'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want pesky goats to keep trying to eat my tomatoes and peppers :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea a pig or two could be good any scrap tomato and stuff like that they can despose of'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you have a working dog'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, I have a sleeping dog.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well that wont help with the goat'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you'd need a hell of a herding dog to keep a bunch of goats away from tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'don need a bunch of goats just maybe like 5 does and 1 buck'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would think one dog could handle that and the goats pay for the dog'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have enough pesky deer around here trying to eat the garden, installing a 6 foot link fence around the garden area.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well that solve the goat in garden problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those free ranging guinea fowl  sound cool '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure if you enjoy screeching all day long.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they also work as alarm birds'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'free range chickens are better.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and never get peacocks......even worse.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but chickens scratch up the ground and are not as efficent for pest control'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'my dad had free range guineas, the hawks took care of that'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea need good escape cover for birs'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they will take out chickens too'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why you need a rooster....the rooster is smarter then the hens, and keeps watch...willing to sacrifice itself to protect the hens.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a good 12 gauge shotgun to shoot the hawks when you can.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, hope to can up 30 lbs of chicken the next time chicken goes on sale at the store.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 12.8 lbs of pineapple in #10 cans, they are dehydrating in my Excalibur right now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Arist: 'The US isn't going to launch as much as a football at NK as long as China is their buddy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why would the US give a fuck about north korea?  real life isn't a video game where you want to capture the enemy base'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if n. korea is going to sit around and rattle their saver eveyr now and then who cares.  as long as they are all bark and no bite, let that sleeping dog lie.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'we seem to be trying to capture all the other bases'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This whole debt ceiling crap is stupid......the payment on debt is about $400 billion a year....and the revenue of the US govt is $2.4 trillion....the debt payment can easily be made....just keep the 800,000 federal workers on furlough, and make the payment, then keep the fedworkers unpaid for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if they pass that as a budget, or raise the debt ceiling.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason they need to raise the debt cap is so that bonds can continue to be sold and bought and keep paying the fed workers, and the programs, since bills come due at different times than revenue is there to cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'without the debt ceiling increase to cover all the bills, they wont have the cash to cover all the bills...so you lower your bills temporarily, ie fedworkers furloughs, to have enough cash to cover the important stuff which is the debt interest payment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if you pass that as a budget.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need to pass a budget to furlough workers and make the debt payment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt payment is automatic, if you dont have the cash..you default.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes you need a budget to decide how to spend money.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'other money yes, but not the debt payment :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'congress voted to spend on social security, defense, roads, so that is all automatic to, just like the debt payment, republicans voted of those things.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can pass a temp budget of $35 billion to cover the interest payment for the month if they wanted.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope it goes til the 17th of the month.....just to see what happens.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then perhaps people will finally get half a brain and vote out both the neocons and libtards.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that is wishful thinking.....the avg voter has the political knowledge and memory of a turnip.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'got that right riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its time we let the moderates take back the parties and start getting stuff done again.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'biggest problem is that it's way too easy for the fringe nuts to get the fringe nuts to get out the vote and not enough moderates turn out to support them'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, oppose them'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technological singularity, or simply the singularity, is a theoretical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence that will "radically change human civilization, and perhaps even human nature itself'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Arist: 'It'll get engrossed into playing Tetris and we'll be safe.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is it hard to become that guy with the stick that conducts orchestras'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'How are you all doing wuth the goverbnebt shitdown?'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, the nobel prize went to the higgs boson scientists.....wth, anyone could have found it with a $2 billion machine!  :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'In the information age--assuming the saying "the more you know, the more you learn how little you know," holds true-- will all information at our finger tips, we now know nothing  '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'with all information*'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we still do not know how to fly a spacecraft faster than light....so we dont know everything...:('
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I had some 8 year old gas in a forgotten gas can.......mixed it with some octane booster and it ran just fine mixed with some oil in my generator and chainsaw.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt use the mixed oil/gas in the generator though....'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I did not mean to imply we know every thing just that the information we do know is at our fingertips'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if we did know how to fly a spaceship at the speed of light if people cant agree on how to use that technology what really does that achive'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also what good is knowing how to fly lightspeed if you dont know how to stop the ship or even make the ship return, hell even plot the course it flies'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'take the issue of factory farming some people object to it for x y or z reason, think it should all be ended, but then at the same time they bitch about people starving in the world'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if everyone who had some land kept some beef cattle or meat animals on their property, we need that many factory farms.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and could mandate stricter rules for the factory farms.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt need so many factory farms that is.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'very true riz, however soo many people claim it takes too much time, too much cost, too noisy, too smelly, dont wanna butcher thier pets, or even have ordinances against keeping animals'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'have to go afk now ...'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason we have factory farms is because most people are not willing to pay 10 cents per pound more for chicken, not even going to talk about beef...beef is way too expensive in the store now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well the anti-facroty farm people will pay that 10c and more'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is actually cheaper to buy fresh beef from a local farm and have it slaughtered...but you need to buy 400 lbs at a time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'factory farmed chickens have to be pumped full of antibiotics all the time, just to stay alive in those conditions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but we dont really have food problems in the us, i mean after all we are pretty much the fattest country in the world'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'king of hard to make money off of chicken to the masses at like 15c per lb'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kind'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not fat because of food consumption, americans are fat because they are inactive and lazy :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people who work on farms eat 2x the amount of food the avg american does and can stay trim.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'to be continued afk now'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Texas wine......'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like james spaders new tv show....the blacklist'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame it is on nbc though, probably wont last a season.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Switzerland will be holding a vote soon on whether to introduce a basic income of $2,800 per month for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a universal stipend for all adults is an awesome idea, but requires an extremely rich country to achieve it'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did some fag-packet maths on the cost implications of a $100 a wk payment for all adults in the UK and it worked out at $450bn a year, which would more than double the welfare budget, and would represent 50% of the entire government budget'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sign of the move to impeach OberFuhrer Soetero'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I guess the faux shutdown must continue'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british government shut down in 1939 and never re-opened'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, antiviral drugs to treat hiv costs about $18,000 a year for 1 person using an american manufacturer, but after the UN passed a global drug initiative to reduce the price of hiv drugs worldwide, a drug company in india has made the drug cocktail for $3000 per year in Africa.  American companies that make the cocktail have been fighting it for years to overturn the initiative.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt voted against the initiative and thus wont give money to programs that fight the spread of hiv in Africa.....how is that for moronic self centered bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. oil and natural gas industry contributes more than $1 trillion a year to the U.S. economy.  We could double that with more domestic production, and create millions of new jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to a study by ICF International, expanding domestic energy development in Americas offshore areas could alone generate $1.3 trillion in government revenues over the next 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but USA when possible'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'especially land abundant products'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'land intensive rather'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could never be a doctor.....too many damn rules and regulations....I would want to be dr frankenstein or something....pushing the envelope of medical science.....would probably end up in prison...:p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why doctors are all quitting/retiring'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first the lawsuits, now obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what do you think it is about obamacare making doctors retire?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in the UK's case, working hours and boxticking'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tickbox culture backed up with fear of fines and/or lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the lawsuit problem magnified'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'not exactly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis what they're saying'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and Obamacare actually gives funds to states that make reforms in mal practice suits. Like Oklahoma'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you explain that to them, then'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're all quitting then chances are they know something you don't'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'What is making Dr's want to retire is the push towards more centralized health care removing decision-making from them and putting it in the hands of administrators - something happening long before Obamacare. And it is also Obamacare's reduction in Medicare payments, the req that if you take any Medicare patients you must take them all, and the elimination of dispro funds'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doctors are quitting private practice because of all the bullshit paperwork they have to do now.....the avg doctor spends 5min with a patient, and 6 minutes of paperwork for each one.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they are leaving programs like medicare and going cash only.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the exact problem we have in the UK, along with them not being able to give the care they want because of care rationed by cost'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Obamacare did not increase the amount of paperwork Dr's must complete for Medicare patients...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we're now having problems hiring doctors period, the ones we get speak poor english and patients are getting pissed off'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'DRG's are a completely separate issue not addressed in Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, docs have been leaving for the last 20 years, there is a doctor shortage in general medicine.....most new docs are becoming more specialized because the paperwork is less, and most of the jobs are with hospitals.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that's definitely not true in the UK, Rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You are right that Dr's are becoming specialized, but it's not because of paperwork - it's b/c specialized medicine is high-end and high-earning'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'general medicine docs make on avg $220k, specialized like surgeons make $280k on avg.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'In fact, specialized medicine will likely have more new technologies meaning more paperwork to get reimbursement from Medicare/Medicaid/Insurers, and perhaps a higher possibility of lawsuits as well'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people aren't interesting in the minutia, they want good access to a family doctor, and they now no longer have that in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'There is a big shortage in rural areas, that's true'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a rural problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a nationwide problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's more acute in rural areas. You will have no problem finding a doctor in NY City'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because NY city is not in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to make all hospitals and the medical field non profit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many used to be, they won't be any longer'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in for interesting times, but one thing is for sure, you ain't about to suddenly get cheaper care'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'open up the field to real competition and prices will come down.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now insurance companies have monopolies in the states they cover.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no field in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the US, Obamacare sets up a corporate monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The UK spends $3400 per capita on health care, the US spends $8200'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://kff.org/global-indicator/health-expenditure-per-capita/'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and almost certainly not even true'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is it? You're talking about cost of care, and Riz is discussing monopoly/free market'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's from a reputable source, which I just gave you'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's irrelevent, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a drug is expensive here, you just don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'right, because per capita spending is no indication of health care costs'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's as simple as that'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're comparing apples with oranges'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we opened up medicare to everyone under age 26.....and eventually to allow anyone in for basic coverage with small copays like in germany and japan....insurance companies would be forced to compete for the first time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well argue that the US spends more per capita on fast food'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'If a drug is expensive here, you just don't get it...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tipro, that depends on if your insurance or bank balance will cover it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, so most of us don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most don't means some do, which is more than zero'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making it more than the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you are an old fogey and get bushcare drug benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which costs the taxpayers $60 billion a year now because the govt is not allowed to negotiate better prices.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those drugs those of us here who can afford it are then forced to go abroad, which means it comes under that country's expenditure'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Well I know you can buy private insurance in the UK, and I don't think these drugs are outlawed, they just aren't on your NHS plan'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not in the NICE drug list, it cannot legally be prescribed'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why people often go abroad for treatments'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to visit Germany, and you dont have insurance...you can buy their govt provided full insurance as a tourist for $3300 per year.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey could come up with a better national healthcare system for basic healthcare than those idiots in congress.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'do you really have a donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 5 of them now :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's cool'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnapDragon Shazam: 'his an farmer :-) '
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'south american pygmy donkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your figure of $3400 a year is utter bullshit, btw'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'can you find me a more accurate figure?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8dY-3hzSftCMng5TFBkaFdSb3M/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breakdown of governmental spending by department in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assuming 70mil people which is an overestimate, that makes $4200ish per capita not including private healthcare or prescription costs which are also huge'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, have donkeys, chickens, rabbits, cattle, and deer on this property....plus some wild pigs, coyotes, armadillos, opossums, squirrels, and who knows what else.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course we shoot the coyotes on sight when we see them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also doesn't include local government spending on elderly health care which isn't split out on the document'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means yes, it's probably still cheaper than the US, but is more than half the cost'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have 50 adult deer, and at last count around 16 fawns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you ever ate a coyote'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, when we get a coyote, we put it up against the outer fence....it keeps the deer away from that spot....they are afraid of coyotes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always fact check, even if the site looks legit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the worldbank gives total for UK at 3609 for 2008-2012. I'm not sure just dividing the numbers up from that broadsnap shot is really the best way of doing it, and I'm going to trust the similar numbers given by these other two organizations'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I know the Kaiser Family Foundation is reputable :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're clearly wrong by some considerable margin'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ya never know they might be tasty'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a coyote is just a gangly wild dog that is extremely mean, and will bite your ass off if given a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'always shoot them on sight.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Canis latrans'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each one of those deer is worth more than 100 coyotes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well people would give ya shit if you ate a dog, but know one cares about coyotes'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol wonder if you could ship coyote meat to china'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you know some people over there would eat it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt you could ship it cheap enough for them to choose it above their local rodent population'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thier st Bernard farms '
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have a 130 acre forested/open field piece of land for the deer, and another 100 acres for the 11 cattle we now have....bought 10 black simangus, and a pedigreed black angus bull.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but no mini cows'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no mini cows, perhaps later...and some russian pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the rights and wrongs of obamacare, it's good to see that just like the UK, the US administration is incapable of rolling out large IT projects'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think those things will sell ...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, not US administration, US regime'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as pets or even a milker for a family'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we can sell hunters a weekend to shoot a buck on our property for $6000, all expenses paid :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deer are worth more than cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you gont any doves on your range'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some geese land on the lake sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when they are migrating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're discussing on newsnight whether Janet Yellen will reduce QE, the so called experts are suggesting she'll reduce it. She won't. period'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, also have 2 turkeys....named thanksgiving and christmas :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont think dove are migratory'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but if you have a feed plot and then a watering place'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you shoot them in the fly way in the center'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have noticed about 5 distinct groups of deer in the ranch though.....usually a buck and a bunch of does and fawns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I drive the fence line every morning to make sure the coyotes have not broken through the fence.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you see the deer all the time grazing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i often nearly run over deer on my way to route'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muntjac's are considered a pest species here'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love grilled venison.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wont kill any of the deer for another year or two though, need the numbers to get to 100 first.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey nuts, you should move to Texas, and work on the ranch...we could always use another hand....help with the gardening, feeding the cattle, clearing brush, building new buildings, digging ditches, etc....good american ranch/farm work......room and board provided....bunk and beans :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd never get a visa'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for everything else, there's mastercard'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can get a visa....even saudi arabian terrorists.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, honest people can't'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i'd be much good for you, too badly spacked up'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appreciate the offer, however'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly wouldn't let a libertarian and patriot in, they only want mexicans and communists'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'marry riz and get a visa that way'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you think we actually work on a farm?  We use tractors to dig ditches, chainsaws to cut down brush, and drive a golf cart around the ranch to feed the animals :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the young guys build the buildings, gives me plenty of time to mess around in the gardens and orchards.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we also have a ranch cook for the employees, and 6 of them live on the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to hire Chuck Norris'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to work the chuck wagon'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuck has a ranch in the area.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has over 300 head of cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't pay to be an elderly celebrity in the UK, they're arresting them all'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1860s, we would have paid you $1 a day plus bunk and beans.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you just have to contend with an invasion of californian fake liberals trying to ruin your state'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right, libtards rarely move to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're already there'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They end up shriveling up and dying.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt libtards would survive in Texas, aren't they mostly in small pockets of Oregon and Washington State?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only place liberals are allowed to live in Texas is Austin.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and the proper texans in Austin bitch about it ceaselessly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's by design, apparently, Austin is an Agenda 21 test case'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is now 44% hispanic, and it will be 51% by 2020 if current birth rates continue.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're screwed'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, most of my friends are hispanic...they are good people.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might well be, but as a group they vote >80% for authoritarian left parties'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most hispanics in Texas vote republican.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nearest town to our ranch is 92% white.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a town of 4000 people or so.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably need to get the non-republican voters to vote independant'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the next town after that is about 30,000 people and 82% white, but also has another 10,000 people in the prison, and death row....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texas death row prison is about 30 miles from my ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around 20,000 in the town i live'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is executing 2 people this week, one was last night after his last appeal was denied.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy killed his parents, 22 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of the prison in the city, the city is ranked last in Texas in avg income of a family......makes the whole freaking town look poor, even though it the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1/4 of the population is in prison in the city, and another 25% is in the large university in the city.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'messes up all the avg figures.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '30,000 doesn't make a city'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like 40k, and 40k is a small city.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a cathedral or royal prerogative makes a city'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 1/4 acre rural plot with a prefabricated, condemned bungalow down the road from me sold at auction last week for $190,000'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we paid a $7,000 back tax and fees payment to the county for the 220 acres for our new ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property tax here is around $2000 a year'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a small bungalow on practically no land'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nobody likes to live in the middle of nowhere anymore, so we got the land cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is only half a mile from the town of 4000'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite the opposite here, anywhere out of the way with building permission makes a bomb'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the key is the building permission, the corrupt government has people by the balls - the only people who get planning permission on agricultural land are the big land banks, finance and property corporations with their bribes and revolving doors'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shortage of building land is why properties are insanely expensive here'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much every problem the UK has is a result of corrupt Robber Barons running the country'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so get the people to rise up and remove them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is needs is China to lob a few nukes over'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen, Riz, the people are dependant'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they havent stole the technology from us yet, give them some more time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you get socialism at the ground floor'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China? they already have viable nukes'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but not a viable icbm'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have short range missiles'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need em, they have stealth submarines'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do!'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope!'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can always hope, maybe there'll be some sort of major nuclear disaster that wipes the UK out'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you with this heart-warming tribute for Obama's new healthcare law: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/09/college-grad-says-obamacare-has-raped-my-future-in-viral-letter/'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'romneycare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the total cost of sentencing someone to death and housed at death row is now at $ 3 million per inmate.....compare that to an avg of about $35,000 per year to be in regular prison.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Since the Supreme Court reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, there have been 8,300 death sentences, at a total cost of $25 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'death sentences or executions?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'S E N T E N C E S'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'so what % were carried out'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states sentence people to death, but never actually kill them....they die on death row :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd be fine with eliminating the death penalty and having life in prison really mean life in prison -- if you want them to have a chance at getting out for good behavior, sentence them to 90 years instead of life in prison'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'they should just reopen alcatraz and send all the worst people there and let them make all the rules and make it a reality show'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the govt opened a new super max prison in a giant tanker ship....it travels around the world....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is going to replace gitmo eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jericho is a good tv show....should bring it back on a real tv network.'
T3/r7/2013-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to see Texas kick the crap out of Wyoming in the civil war II'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should transfer all national parks to state control.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'obamacare is the worse thing to happen since slavery anyone else seeing this shit on tv?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'I'm still shocked people thought drastically increased coverage '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's idiot democrats for you'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'no difference between Republicans and Democrats anymore, just the words they use'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarians and libertarians are the new distinction'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was having a stilted debate with fellow brits about spying today, and it's stunning how many idiots buy the MI5 lie that trampling privacy is necessary to keep people safe, and that Jim Snowden's whistleblowing harms security'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the world is fucked, well at least US and UK is'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'not quite but close enough, but the two main pastries fall under authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the majority of them do, Glarvo, the ones that don't are easily recognisable as "qooks" and "anarchists"'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could just about count them on one hand, which isn't great out of 600'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's even worse in the UK, there's nobody'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'well the US's and UK's domestic video surveillance was established by a private UK company, not the government'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'well it'll be easier to revolt and recover in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't, we have nothing here'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no weapons, no money, no ability to feed ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also there's less call for it because our police haven't been militarised and aren't brutalising everyone'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody noticed their rights going because we never had any to start with'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'what were you watching on tv about obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch tv, dunno what rizzer was watching'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'the problem is the us's police have actually not been militerised'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'they were given the equipment but not the training'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are being trained to treat everyone as prisoners and brutalise them'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ignore rights'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if they had the training, there would not be these levels of abuse of power, deaths, and incidents'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big think going on at the alamo in texas soon, a big open carry rally which the police promised to arrest everyone at, despite open carry being legal there'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck the police will get shot'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'they aren't training them is the problem just letting then run wild with a license to do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bullshit, you are required to show knowedge of gun profiency before you get the license.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if marine mp and AF security forces took over domestic policing, we wouldn't see the abuse we see'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'riz i am talking about domestic police getting military equipment but not military training'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't training them the fundamentals of rights granted by the constitution, that's for certain'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can show gun knowledge after using it for 5min, it then takes time to get better at shooting it, but you dont have to be a crack shot to have a concealed license....but if you have one and shoot an innocent person while trying to take down an evil doer...prepare for a civil lawsuit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with law enforcement is the state and local police have had federal agencies "parasite" on them'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should just have a shotgun at home anyways, and perhaps some rifles.....but if you want a handgun of good quality....at least go to a shooting range a few times a month to get better at using it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many sheriffs are still constitutional and perform traditional services'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if more States switched to a standard probable cause instead of the standard of reasonable suspicions that most have, we'd have the protection to prevent most of this'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and oathkeepers are looking to get vets and ex-police/emergency services organised into local emergency response cells'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'see ya i got to go shopping'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how interesting...a serial killer that uses the blood of his victims to paint paintings of them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find serial killers interesting :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all brits like serial killers....most of your kings were one....:p'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just one?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brokeback mountain.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fresh elk meat and beans.....cowboy food.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The republicans are shutting down the government to try to get their way,  It is the only way to stop the Affordable Care Act, they don't want to shut the government down, but it is the only way to get what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'I wrecked my (unlisenced) motorcycle 6 months ago, and after 2 sugeries and months of physio re-hab I paid not one cent, even though I have no lisence to be on the road, the Road Accident Fund (RAF) paid for everything. why should I get away with that here when you guys in the U.S. argue about premiums?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can do that in the US, the hospitals are required by law to treat you, but you will then receive a bill for services that will bankrupt you and your family.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'are you arguing that SA shoul change or the US'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'why do we as people need to be given such crap for everydat life (in my opinion) I think insurance is as useless as a bank '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'banks are useless?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: '(in my opinion) yeah'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a better system would be a fee for service program......if you need an xray it is a $40 copay, break your arm?  $100 copay, etc.....those are the prices that insurance companies make with the hospitals.....but if you pay with cash...you pay $500 for the xray, and $2000 for the broken arm.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'how does that make sense?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and taxes would be taken from sales tax to cover the program.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is how japan does it, and it works quite well.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'sales tax... that makes a bit of sense'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'but why should such a value be put on healthcare when war is tolled out so freely?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it makes more sense for the govt to offer a basic health care system that encourages people to get checked out each year so that illnesses are found early when they are much cheaper to treat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'war on drugs and war on terror? what about war on insurance or war on unfair taxation?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'so much money is spent here in S.A. where we don't need it (i.e. illegal arms deals) and none where it counts (i.e. infrastructure and minimalization of inflationary effects) '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'health insurance is one of the largest lobbying powers in the US.  nothing will ever pass without they're consent.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rsp'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ban lobbying by for profit businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'I don't mean to be abrasive but... none of this makes sense... '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'not that I'm a communist, but how exactly is democracy working out for us?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not a democracy, we are a republic.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'technically, so is South Africa, but this place is a shambles'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should replace congress with donkeys....then things will get done again.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'My final say is that MAYBE (Just maybe) we have yet to find a system of governance that works for the greater good?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'show me the money!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'yeah Riz... sounds more proserous lol!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would sure like to see private industry get to mars and the moons of jupiter.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'now that would be something!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'but, unfortunately, as a species, we're fundamenally insane....'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching Europe Report'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Europa Report that is'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long distance flights in space will require rotating segments of the ship to prevent too much degredation of bone density.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'we'll probably progress more, here in Aardwolf' than in congress'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): An enigma, Duvala votes Rizgoth! Maybe you should too?
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just feel that private industry can do something better than govt can.....but healthcare is not one of them, because the profit margin gets in the way of life and death decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): An enigma, Duvala is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do think Europa has the best chances of finding life somewhere else other than the earth in our solar system though'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should be sending probes there and planning a mission to get under the ice and see what is there.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, that is something I didnt anticipate on Europa....ice quakes.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'sounds inhospitable... what's the verdict?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole moon is covered with ice that is pulled and compressed by the gravitational pull of Jupiter.....so that force would create ice quakes'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the solar flare activity has dropped like a rock on the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( there is Calixto... )
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( and let's not forget Ganymede... )
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, the age of carbon fuels saved the whales....otherwise they would be extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That can't be true. Fosil fuels need 100s of millions of years to be created, but whales are mammals, so less than 65m years old.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it can, we used to use whale oil for lanterns.....then carbon fuels replaced whale oil removing our need to kill them.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, you mean that. Gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now just the japanese and icelanders kill them to feel happy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States estimates it will be at least another decade before it completes destruction of the remaining 10% of its chemical weapons, estimated at more than 3,100 tons. Russia has more than five times that amount left to destroy'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'IMO we should just sell them to DPRK, Iran and China.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of the last chemical weapons will save the DoD at least $1 billion a year in storage costs, plus testing, to keep the weapons up to date.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DoD needs chemical weapons, after all, how else can they set it off and blame their political enemies?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll not get rid of all of them, at least not publicly'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, find iraqi wmds yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, define WMD'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no. '
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that case yes, i found some'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, iraq had plenty of WMDs found...just not dirty ones'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are the ones that USA sold them to fire at the Iranians in the 80s, and there's the ones that were sold to them from various parties that Nato destroyed in GW2 which caused large numbers of lifelong illness among their own troops'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they the ones we were told they had as an excuse for war? no'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there is now any question at all that the public were deliberately lied to inorder to justify empirism and kingmaking in Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto Afghanistan, a self professed waste of time and money from all parties concerned'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, btw, do you think we should scrap social security?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right now? no'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why not, wouldnt it help the economy?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeterminate'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, understand that when talking to Tigernuts, you're not talking to someone in or from the US...'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's the issue i have about it, if you run it like a tax system like the UK does then it is an unfunded black hole'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally would prefer a system of universal benefits alongside personal pensions and health savings accounts that are backed by government protection and special benefits'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts why a pension system at all.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you know back in the day, people used to send the old off to die'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I want to be euthanized when things look bleak for myself.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ontuct how about even sooner, as soon as you no longer are a productive member of society?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, it's not really a pension system'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that way we can tax your estate as it passes on to your relatives'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an encouragement for people to provide for themselves in old age'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts shrug, the government struggles even to make parents provide support for children.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'how can we expect it to ensure that old people provide for themselves as well'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'tough call, some may already deem us unproductive, we are playing a game instead of bettering the world to someone elses standards'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why none of anything you hear from my mouth will be about mandating things'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ontuct so imagine how much better society would be :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yes, social security in both countries is wack'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is the fight against 'President Stompy Feet' going?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, californian school kids can pick which gender bathroom to use regardless of their actual gender'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: 'Can anyone back that up?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AB 1266'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from jan 1st'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: '??'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another stupid way of dealing with a non problem, basically. If you want to properly protect the rights of transgender kids, you should have a third, gender neutral locker-room/bathroom'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AB 1266 is the number of the bill, SB'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hytkAaoF2k&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear what happened in Maryville, MO recently?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '12 witnesses, a video of the event passed around at school, audio/video confessions by the perp, and a rape kit all support rape and sexual exploitation charges against a high-school football star, but the charges were dismissed.  The victim tried to commit suicide twice, the victim's mother was fired from her government job, the victim's brothers were threatened with beatdowns, they were booed out of a football game, and someone burned their house on fire...all as a result of the charges brought against the football star.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the name of the football star '
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think it's Matt Barnett (grampa was a congressman or something), but that might be one of the victim's brothers.  Lemme go see if I can get a link to it, 'cause it was blowing up FoxRadio something fierce today.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/12/4549775/nightmare-in-maryville-teens-sexual.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jerry sanduskyesque'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'More like Steubenville'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american football and the whole football college thing was always a paedophile haven'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and those soccer nuts are all cannibals.  I can see now why there are so many flops, nobody wants to piss off the other guy TOO badly.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and soccer fans, woowhee!  They riot like they all came from Watts.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sport replaced real tribalism'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why nobody gives a shit about anything anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i found most interesting were the walmart 'riots' when the foodstamp cards system went down'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Black Friday carnage didn't phase you?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was thinking more recent'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was at the weekend'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'll have to check, but I think in most years more people died from trampling in a Black Friday stampede than from shark attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this was just people stealing shit loads from walmart because the foodstamps conked out'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many sociologists reckon it'd take 48-72hrs before people start stealing/rioting, so under an hour is pretty good goin'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'better game, tetris, or columns?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'like column the old cga game'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude nods.
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'then columns'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I just heard on the radio that upwards of 33% of Americans can't pick out their next-door neighbors out of a lineup.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'not surprising consider the population density the majority lives in'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wouldn't be able to'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you even see your neighbors?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news, folks?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'newsflash, Michelle Palin said something that was both factually accurate and not entirely ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that the US Senate is re-interpreting the consitution on the fly, and in some cases flying in the face of established interpretation from the supreme court? You might have a problem here'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'redefine the dictionary (plus deliberate misinterpretation) --> redefine/reinterpre/ignore the constitution - reinterpret the laws (similar to what commixzars did)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not have the power to re-interpret existing laws'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and certainly don't have the power to re-interpret the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but whos going to stop malfeasance if they put up a united corrupt bipartisan front'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what options do Congress have for disbanding the Senate and forcing a re-election?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'basically none.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therein lies an issue, because Congress are the peoples elected representatives, the Senate are nto'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err not'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they do the "christian" thing -- discard the parts of the scripture/constitution they disagree with, misinterpret the parts they agree with -- do whatever they fancy while misquoting the scriptures/constitution for support -- might is right'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is accurate, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what you said neatly applies to all government and religion'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the senate is also elected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is elected, but is not representative'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the may not be represenative, but they are senitorial  (not sure what we are arguing here, they are both selected by voters.)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cheney showed that gross misinterpretation of the laws was possible -- the Democrats learned to do the same, (courtesy of the Republican corruption during the Bush administration)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess the question is, which has primacy? which is the most representative of the people? and the answer is neither and the congress to those two questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and from what i understand of the origins of the system, it was deliberate to ensure large states were both represented by numbers, but also pegged back from domination via the senate'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is both a strength and an achilles heel'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is basically correct, but we can't disregad the senate without disregarding the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have trouble explaining it all to people here in the UK because the US system is badly misrepresented by our idiot media who never both reporting anything past the utterings of Jay Carney's arsehole'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nearest i've come is: "Imagine the Prime Minister is elected in a seperate vote rather than being the head of the party that wins the election, imagine he puts forward a budget and it is voted down by the house of parliament. Now imagine he complains bitterly that he's being held to ransom because he can't get his bill through"'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality if the government fails to pass a budget bill there's an immediate vote of no confidence that forces new elections'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, the two systems are incomparable on numerous levels, you have 2 houses, we have 1'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we also have no states, so it'd be closer comparing the US government to the EU government'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The problem here is we won't punish people for not getting things done in the quiet between disasters.  You will still get to pick between a too left of center democrat and a too right of center republican, and even with a 5% approval rate for Congress. 90% of them will get re-elected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, you definitely need a third party, although shedding all of the federal government and handing responsibility back to the states, as was originally intended, would also solve the issue'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'an incumbant democrat is rarely challenged by a more effective democrat, and an incumbant republican is rarely challenged by a better republican.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well the republicans are facing a fight from the grass roots inside their own party, trying to wrest it from the hands of the neocons that have ruined them, such as McCain, Graham, Boner etch'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'etc'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the problem with third parties in the U.S. is the winner take all system makes democrats and republicans hard to beat.  Many third parties are too far from the mainstream to do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've not seen any such move from the democrats, just that their party is going bankrupt because illegal immigrants don't tend to donate much'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem in the UK, Malkar, the system has built itself specifically to protect it from being usurped by anyone outside of the vested interest'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why, wherever you are, US, UK, Europe, anyone not from the "establishment" politic gets demonised, whether it's UKIP in the UK, Marie LaPenn's party in France, or the Golden Dawn in Greece'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'question is, will Obama force a default, or will the GOP capitulate and wander off into obscurity leaving the USA to die at the hands of rabid authoritarians dressed up as progressives??'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if he forces a default, will the congress have the guts to impeach him?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'of course, the idea of the republicans wanting default as a means of winning the 2016 election is beyond considering. They are the victims here.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'also, the idea that if the president were republican there wouldn't have been a government shut down is rediculous.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is this the end of the republican party?  who wants to be part of something co-opted by extreme conservatives'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Is the US going to default on it's bills?'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'soon we'll know'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'so will there be another 11th hour 'deal' in january next time? the US gov't is out of control.'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening folks, world ended yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chase bank have moved to limit cash withdrawals and ban international wire transfers from nov 17th'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evidence mounts that powers within China are manipulating the price of gold while the chinese central bank purchases hundreds of tons'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay: Crapo (R-ID), Nay: Cruz (R-TX), Nay: Enzi (R-WY), Nay: Grassley (R-IA), Nay: Heller (R-NV), Nay: Johnson (R-WI), Nay: Lee (R-UT), Nay: Paul (R-KY), Nay: Risch (R-ID), Nay: Roberts (R-KS), Nay: Rubio (R-FL), Nay: Scott (R-SC), Nay: Sessions (R-AL), Nay: Shelby (R-AL), Nay: Toomey (R-PA), Nay: Vitter (R-LA), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Source: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00219'
T3/r7/2013-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a load of shit, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the US bank's capital controls are starting'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'freedom - if you don't have the option to not make a choice, you aren't free at all. so, no freedom for you today.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, british company doc martens is for sale....perhaps the chinese will buy it, or Nike.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you read that last thing, you DID make a choice not to answer:)'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and the biggest and weirdes unsaid worthless question of all time: "why the heck do we have to do something ALL THE TIME"'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'unasked*'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we really should step up research in organ replacement.......too many people die each year that could be saved because of a lack of replacement organs....'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, Rizgoth. medicine has damaged the evolution enough. we are dumber and weaker than 100 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i know i am'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of people are allowed to be stupid, we only need a few smart people to keep things running.  You are the eloi :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you say that now, in 10k years we are all idiots. monkeys will take over'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, simians are an evolutionary offshoot of the homo species....they have gone nowhere in 2 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our common ancestor was more intelligent than the simians.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention technology advancement has rocketed upwards in the last couple hundred years as farming became more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i hate deep thoughts. i blame the internet to cause the hatred'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ssshh. im 34 and i think im going stupider every year. thanks to internet. more deluded, grammar gets worse, more shallow etc.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'before email you had to really think hard if you were writing a letter to someone. because you had that only attempt.. now he/she'll reply if it wasn't enough in 20 minutes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'huge amounts of gold has been discovered in and around Darfur Sudan........the gold rush is on!'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$2 billion in gold is expected to be mined in darfur this year.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Japan is South Sudan's largest oil customer at 110,000 barrels a day.  China is 2nd with 60,000 barrels'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan loaned South Sudan $900 million to keep its economy humming when they had to turn off the oil temporarily because of a fee disagreement with Sudan in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'howdy riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'long time no debate'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is also building a new pipeline in South Sudan to increase oil production in the country by 60,000 barrels per day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yeah, Vonliege disappeared'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps he was called up and is serving in Afghanistan.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think US should do some investment in Ba(Na)^2'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see. Hope he gets back in one piece'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why do we need more bananas ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or the city of Banana Of DRC'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'check where the location of city is on map'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese and japanese are investing heavily in south sudan to get first crack at the huge oil reserves that have been discovered lately.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks to new investment by the asians, 2 new oil fields are coming on line next year, sending more oil to japan and china.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I was reading something about china doing something in Angola too '
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i believe in Soyo'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is smart though, our oil companies are helping Brazil to tap into its huge new oil fields.....pretty soon Brazil will be exporting a few hundred thousand barrels of oil to the US each day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea brazil is a good one too'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea brazil more stable'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stability isnt the key though....location is.....its really cheap to export oil to the US from Brazil.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we could probably build an undersea oil pipeline from Brazil to Texas if we wanted to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not really a point'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'be cheaper to fill up super tankers though, and go the 1000 miles by boat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we have soo much energy in the US'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but we would prefer to help out our local friends when we can.....a couple hundred thousand barrels a day wont break us each day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'No reason to not buy some else where if we get a good price'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we spend about $400 billion a year on oil imports right now.....even with domestic production going up.....so sending some to Brazil would be better for the US than say Kuwait, or Nigeria.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'food should be even cheaper in the US!'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can blame ethanol for the high price of food now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'should be so abundant it has to be given away in cases'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'How many acres of tomato plants do you have riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn producers can make more money selling to ethanol producers than feeding it to cattle, pigs, and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and since corn prices are so high now, wheat and soybean farmers are switching to corn.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea im not even that big of a corn fan'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so food prices go up.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'corn = lots of bushels per acre'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when compared to soybean'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tomatos can get like 45,000 lbs per acre'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global cooling is taking place.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its would if we removed some big deserts  '
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with japan and china helping, south sudan has a chance to create a true african civilized country.......we shall see.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder if there are any plans for massive desalination plants over there'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, only the arabs in saudi arabia build those, or abu dhabi'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'see they should go for massive solar fields with indoor gardening'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in saudi arabia, the govt sells fresh water from its desalination plants for only 1 cent per gallon to businesses, and the residents get the water for free.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think the largest desalination plant in the world is in Australia ... and its it sitting idle'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think it was 150 billion gallons per year'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Arizona should build a desalination plant for California on the west coast, and in exchange, california gives up an equal share of the colorado river.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has to be a way to pacify the deserts'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure there is, increase global warming, and the jungles will take over :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'process seems to be pretty slow'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before the last ice age, alot of Africa was covered with forests, or at least lush grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sand is just nasty'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer forest.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'without enough organic matter to  keep it together its covers every thing'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'will kill grass land'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you need is rain.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the toughest desert will bloom.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'get too much sand and when it rains it washes sand away'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not much grows on sand dunes'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever see death valley after it gets a couple inches of rain?  The flowers and grasses survived about 2 weeks before the heat took back the valley.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if you remove what is growing on them ... the dune blows away'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea ive never been to death vally or at least its been a while'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there was a rare rainstorm at death valley a couple years ago, and the lush green grasses and flowers was just amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet Nevada was an amazing place before the rocky mountains ruined it.....or after the glaciers melted.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive been out in nevada'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it still is a awsome place'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just needs well water and lots of it'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sudan is a terrible country.....hopefully South Sudan will do much better.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, $1.4 trillion more than has been sent to Africa has been removed from the continent in the last 30 years.  No freaking wonder they are going nowhere in development.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, is the whole dangers of salt craze now based on the fact that salt increases blood pressure slightly for a small part of the population, or is there any other danger? And BTW, has there even been a study correlation lowering of salt with lowering of cardivascular disease, or is it just conjecture?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'correlating*'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And by study, I mean interventional study, of course, not observational.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Wait- wouldn't interventional study re salt vs CVS be somewhat unethical'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not if the intervention was to lower compared to the average.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except, of course, that low salt intake might be more dangerous than high....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, it all looks like bad science. Just like the cholesterol scare.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only real danger I can find is that it makes junk food taste better and might mess up satiety signals. But the solution then would be to remove the junk, not the salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'What's the cholesterol scare?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole idea that cholesterol intake and saturated fat has anything to do with cardiovascular disease.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that total cholesterol in your blood is a useful indicator.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All of that is based on faux science.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unfortunately, this means that all the recommendations for "healthy food" we have been taught by our governments is based on bad science. '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Possibly with the exception of "eat more vegetables"'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Ranrr!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately cholesterol is one of those situations where it's not that simple. Too much cholesterol intake of certain types is bad for cardiovascular disease while too little causes neurological diseases such as alzheimers and dementia'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cholesterol intake seems to have no effect what so ever on cholesterol in the blood, though.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ranrr what about cholinosterase '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There seems to be a correlation between the number of cholesterol carrying proteins in the blood and card dis though. But that's not what most doctors are measuring.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Triglycerides seem to be a much better proxy. And it's easy to lower, just eat less carbs and more fat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Trigly are related to fat if I'm not wrong'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You tell me, VD.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope, trigs come from carb metabolization.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's when carbs are turned into fats (so we can store them), I thinks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You get rock star low trig levels on a low carb diet.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Yup you're correct in that TG levels are related to carb intake because of some strange metabolic reaction, but should also note that if talking about dietary sources, TGs are found mostly in oil and animal fat '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but those have no effect on the trig levels in the blood we care about.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think they do though- both matter :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really. At least not for cardiovascular disease.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'If I'm not wrong one common piece of lit doctors look at is the framingham heart study, can take a look'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'It is a quite unsuperstitious quantifying of 10-year risk of various CV conditions with associated p-values, quite interesting'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'maybe you could enlighten us about geometric algebra and schubert cycles while we're at it'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'tldr be careful about health stuff l0l'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, it's an observational study, so it can only be used to form hypothesis that then need to be tested.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be the first time that doctors and the pharmaceutical industry grossly misrepesents the facts. There was a documentary backed up with serious propaganda effort on the BBC trying to villify vitamins this week'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all part of a plan to try and force vitamins into the hands of prescription/drug company only'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with improving health, all to do with trying to make your health totally dependant upon the corporate state'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think (hope) they're too stupid to have a plan, it's just that they don't understand science. But you could be right.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand the science and are deliberately mispresenting it in a way as to frighten people into a certain course of action'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand the science insofar as current understanding goes'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The problem is that if you think B, but you voicing your opinion about B isn't enough to get B by it's own, and someone pays you 2 million dollars to say A, there's a fair chance you're going to say A, because B feels pointless.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well fighting 2 mobs at a time  seems like a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan *inno'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i can understand your mistake'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, India is the #1 importer of gold each year at around $52 billion.....the US is 3rd at $16 billion'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the odds of a massive solar flare hitting the Earth has been raised to 1 in 8 in the next 10 years.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what effect will it have on the earth'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it depends, if it is head on...it could disrupt and fry communications and power grids, but if it is a glancing blow.....prob just take out some satellites.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so we have a 1 in 8 chance of mutating? or getting cancer?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also depends on how strong the magnetic field of the earth is when it happens....it fluctuates quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so head = book of eli type of affect almost'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'herb code'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ever watch a movie called knowing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if it happens head on....it would take months to replace the power grids that were affected, even longer if most or all were affected.....there is only enough electrical wire to replace about 5% of the power grid for when hurricanes and other natural disasters require replacing parts of power grids.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have at least 6 months of backup food though, just in case of a major natural disaster, and propane for cooking and heating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those #20 propane bottles will last a decade or longer.  I have 12 of them now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just like we should prepare for the apocalypse, nuclear warfare, terrorism, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'though i'm not against preparing, i think a preparation ought to be long term so other people's lives ain't affected by a group of people buying huge stock of everything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'we better start working on solar powered pcs'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i live in malaysia, it's sunny all year long and the only solar powered thing you can find are water heaters and calculators.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with Texas....we have perfect sun for solar power, but we dont utilize it much....still too expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need the chinese to flood the market with low cost solar panels so that we can buy em for $1 a watt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or we need cheaper materials for solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never going to happen as long as the silicon used to make the solar panels is the waste from the microchip industry.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene is being explored as a means for producing solar panels, that might be cheaper, if they manage it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some researchers here are working on a plastic solar panel.....completely flexible, can stand up to the solar heat, and produces about 10% power.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and very light.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they find graphene to be very 'light reactive' and produces plenty of electrons, though i'm not really sure of the process involved in solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the photo electric effect.. it's what einstein got his nobel prize for iirc'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll look it up'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'later.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uhoh, there is a cocoa shortage!  Chocolate makers are cutting back on production.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'LEAVE MY CHOCOLATE ALONE'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that within 7 years, the shortage of cocoa beans will be so severe that the avg candy bar will have very little chocolate in it, and mostly fillers to simulate the look of chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'I don't have anything to add to that, except :*('
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari rolls his eyes.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The price of cocoa butter, the vegetable fat extracted from cocoa beans which makes up about a quarter of every chocolate bar, rose 63 percent in the past 20 months, reaching a four-year high.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of cocoa beans is up 22% in the last 12 months.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sense a chocolate conspiracy!'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what's that got to do with the price of tea in china?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of tea in China is up 8% in the last 20 months.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'extreme drought in West Africa is the cause for the cocoa shortage.....West Africa produces most of the cocoa beans in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'desertification'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other news though, the price of CAROB has dropped by 5% in the last 12 months and producers increased acres of the crop.....soon chocolate makers will add carob to their chocolate bars.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the sahara, right?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'simply because an item has dropped price is no garantee that it will be used in chocolate, what does carob taste like anyway'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it tastes like chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then who cares?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless it has a horrible nutritional content'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carob costs about 2x more than cocoa beans right now, mainly because it isnt widely grown or used except in health foods.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, just bought a dozen carob chocolate covered carrot cake donuts from a local health food store.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apple should be paying the irish corporate tax of 12.5% on all income funneled into ireland from european revenues...it only makes sense...but it still wont bring that money back to the US.  the US tax is still too high.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has one of the highest corporate taxes in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im about to go out and catch some "free" food'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried squirrel and vegetable rice.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fish... largemouth'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '!?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bass ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, beer battered and fried, with vegetable rice on the side.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and corn on the cob, and a large iced tea with lemon.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the film Swordfish....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'any movie with a fat Travolta is revolting'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bud light.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack, my beer is 6 weeks old.....that is terrible!'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'quick consumption, stat... code yellow'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trying to create a beer flavored tomato.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Armed march on the Alamo went off peacefully'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that is an anti-climax'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unexpected, they're not the people who are the problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'then why were they armed'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an armed protest against the encroachment of federal money into state and local level trying to criminalise gun ownership outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have slightly more mundane things to protest here in the UK, like government/corporate monopoly practices to make housing and energy unaffordable, the gounging of the serf class'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already lost all semblance of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the latest nanny-state social engineering attempt, the corporate monopoly electric suppliers in the UK are encouraging people to compare their energy usage against other houses in the neighbourhood to make sure that, in their words, they're "not using too much electric"'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The good bit is when they increase the prices because they're selling too little electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are going up at around 9% a year atm'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to a combination of al gore and some extended and repeated retarded policy decisions by the robber barons running the country over the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charging more for less was part of the plan all along'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the sort of thing that you american folks have to look forward to with obamacare and the path it leads: http://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: 'Pick one: "Turn all Muslims into Jews" or "Turn all Jews into Muslims".'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol a company laser-ammo is trying to sell well laser amo just put it in your gun and fire and it engages the laser so you don't actually have to fire real ammmo.. I wonder how long it will be before some dumb ass gets shot with real ammo after forgetting which is in the chamber'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggle'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, it ain't gun control wee need, it's sin control'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2013 ranks as one of the least extreme US weather years ever'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming for you'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you denying global warming or blaming obama for it?'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither and both'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't deny climate change happens, but it is true that the corporate power and wealth grab that Obama, along with my own government is participating in as a response to the possibility of it being man made (which doesn't solve the issue anyway) is his fault, partly'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24607242'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10361672/Power-failure-as-Britain-at-highest-risk-of-winter-blackouts-for-almost-a-decade.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wot, no trolly comeback?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice, Jay Carney just walks out of a WH press conference because the journo's asked about Obamacare website failures'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a prick'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nice people take their medication and don't ask questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada blames it all on Tigernuts!! What a LOOOSER!!
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and suck up the huge hikes in insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yay Jay Carney -- show them who's boss - Obama !'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'fix the social. loser is with 1 "o"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'whois tinada'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some random guy who makes random comments'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Ronda.
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'I think you should ask questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the commitee who is looking at fixing obamacare websites called Jon Mcafee to ask him to fix it for free over the phone, he laughed and told them to scrap it and start again'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'McAfee isn't too keen on Obamacare, I gather.'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's neutral on it, but is critical of them using a crap Canadian company that hired poorly trained Indians to write the application in such a way that would never ever scale in any universe ever'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was also critical of it being less secure than a whore's underwear'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's pretty much saying what every I.T professional who has come into contact with it is saying: It's a trainwreck, the tax payer has been had, it needs to be scrapped and started from scratch properly with trained people'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't blame the inuit, those english illiterate may've been quebecois'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it's nice to know that with Obamacare, if you have a loyalty card at grocery stores, your purchasing habits will directly affect your coverage'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Asian Indians, not native americans'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, one of the two big slave factory semi-skilled outsourcing posts for the improvement of the rate of unemployment in the western world'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oo, slaves'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, surprised it interests you, Tinada, thought slavery is more of a Zade thing, since he's the communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I might consider reading the affordable care act, but it is ten times the size of all norwegian health care/pension laws combined'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tigernuts is the closet communist posing as a Republican Libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ok, maybe it's only eight times'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it 13,000 pages, tinada?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or something similarly psychotic'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it might be that long if you add all the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the law itself is 300 or 400 pages'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only 2k'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depends on page formating, of course'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well sure'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why didn't they just provide a government backed health insurance policy that you would be forced to buy if you didn't already have insurance, wouldn't need all this crap'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those pinko-imitating journo's are too Republican - which is likely the reason Tigernuts quoted that newspiece'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but that thing you see Senator McConnell wheeling around is all the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hands up if your US health insurance dropped since obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans (and Libertarians) are acting like pinko "red capitalists" with their intent of  "support the rich, starve the poor"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say leave both the rich and the poor alone'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Republicans are "acting" like the former soviet Communists (though the dialogue is different)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the republicans are acting like'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you tell us specifically what action you are describing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i say tax the rich, make the rich pay'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which rich?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and pay for what?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what are you describing as rich?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "red capitalist" libertarian is likely to say to leave the (red capitalist aka commiczar) rich alone'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the greedy commiczar rich after grabbing most all the riches prefer to be left along while the poor left alone starve'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, the corporatist and socialist elite always write the law/taxes such that they can evade them'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is as true in the USA as it is in UK, China, and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that having been said, there is insufficient "rich" people to tax that would, even if you could efficiently tax them, make any difference to the problems in both countries'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Tigernuts (the channel closet communist) is obviously a supporter of red-style commiczarism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell i do'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would prefer small constitutional republics of no bigger than a couple of million people'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, if you sling mud and false accusations, some of that mud is going to come back at you'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't made any false accusations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts by use of deliberate lies is "redefining" the rules of debate on this channel'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me some deliberate lies'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Tigernuts is a communist"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'can we debate about jewes here?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one, yes, but you said it, not him'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think they are great'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a jewe?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'kill the jews all hail hitler'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'let me see'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh. without the extra "e". JEWS'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am apathetic about Jews as a religious group, though Israel is a country born out of terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'israel makes the best trance'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im more into the geneics of the jews. i suspect they have got lucky'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lucky how?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'perception.'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Tigernuts as a "liberatrian" is pretending to support the nonrich, but is adamant on protecting the rights of the rich to exploit the nonrich - and that is what the communists did (lipservice for the poor, yet feed the rich and starve the poor)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i neither pretend nor actually support the nonrich or the rich'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe in equal treatment of all'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lies!'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means i am NOT a progressive'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jews have something that africans or even arians dont have. in piles'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jews have piles?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Zade, that'll need a citation'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eh.  the fucking most important thing... they are patient and cash in just a bit later'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stereotype is that they are hard working, miserly, and don't mind ripping off non-jews'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know any jews, so i couldn't attest to that'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats not what i meant'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Tigernuts is actually starting to sound communist now :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you accuse others of being a communist Tigernuts, you also require a citation'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'treat everyone equally - so 100% tax to all is equal :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Taokan is starting to sound lame :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not a communist, then what are you?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the problem with equality is everyone has their own yardstick'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you look like a communist, you sound like a communist, you smell like a communist, you're possibly probably a communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you're as much a communist as I am a republican'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the evidence of tonight, you have wealth/success envy'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (illiterate or liar) Republicans (and pretend Libertarians) like to accuse anybody that disagrees with them as (insert perjorative here) Communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far that's not a lot to go on, but doesn't sound very libertarian, nor conservative, so we're only elft with the left wing'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you also despise free markets?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (illiterate and or liar) Republicams (and Libertarians) equate socialism as communism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because there's a common thread running through socialism, communism, fascism, and corporatism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that common thread is the antithesis of libertarianism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'illiteracy is no excuse for blatant lies'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no absolutes when you are making comparisons between belief systems and ideologies that are fuzzy, multivector by definition'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you'd get more mileage if you described to us why you are not communist rather than trying to justify your statement by pedantic nitpicking'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of "common thread" (to justify blatant lies) is an adulteration'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get very far in any analysis of anything if you're not prepared to consider the similarities between a group of things'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Hitler and the holocaust devastated research of racial shit. and thats awful. no funding, taboo topic for 1000 years'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think it stopped, Hquaijijal? all the dodgy research got moved to the USA via operation paperclip. Many of the dodgy characters helped form the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no open debate now. closed.. only specific diseases researches are oke'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that's necessarily true, genetic mapping takes into consideration race'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sensitive topic though, Hwuaijijal  (look at your "who ignored" list before and after to spot those that may be ...s)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im ignored by 2 people as far as i know:)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what your point was though, hwau'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sensitive topic - i didn't make it sensitive. nor any of you alive. still it is screwing a lot of peoples lives'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it screwing a lot of peoples lives?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the negative shit is mostly used to gain popularity - "i fix that" is the most common way to advertise something. never ever have i heard that "they can do that, lets try it here".'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, UCLA researchers have developed a transparent solar panel......woohoo....eventually my sunroom and greenhouse could be producing power.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UCLA team describes a new kind of polymer solar cell (PSC) that produces energy by absorbing mainly infrared light, not visible light, making the cells nearly 70% transparent to the human eye. They made the device from a photoactive plastic that converts infrared light into an electrical current.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd buy that for a dollar (per watt)'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the first uses for it will be in vehicles and boats, plus electronics'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then windows for homes and buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for transparent aluminum......'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Princeton researchers have found a simple and economical way to nearly triple the efficiency of organic solar cells. The researchers were able to increase the efficiency of the solar cells 175 percent by using a nanostructured "sandwich" of metal and plastic that collects and traps light.  The research team used nanotechnology to overcome two primary challenges that cause solar cells to lose energy: light reflecting from the cell, and the inability to fully capture light that enters the cell.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'can you send a link?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'really interested in solar stuff'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://scienceblog.com/55710/highly-transparent-solar-cells-create-windows-that-generate-electricity/'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." '
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheesh, news today isn't looking good'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build a greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"A person has the right to defend themselves. A person doesnt have to wait until theyre actually harmed," he said. "Shooting into the air sort of changed things dramatically. She is creating a threat herself, to other people in area. She may not be guilty of a crime, but police were not wrong to charge her."'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'W...T....F?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's biggest trade union called a strike with some petrochemical workers at the largest industrial site in Scotland. The owners have now fired more than half of the entire plant staff, with the rest goins soon. Golf clap for the unions!'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL, senior democrat sources say that those running in 2014 are to back a proposal to delay obamacare enrollment deadline. Given that this was the demand that the republicans in congress were making to fund the government, could someone PLEASE tell me why the fuck that twat shut it down?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the term salary came from the word salt....the ancient romans paid their soldiers with sacks of salt, and called it a salary of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope. That's a commonly held myth.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shaddup'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While the name salary DOES come from the Latin word for "salt", the Roman soldiers weren't actually paid in salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'i was pretty sure it was created by some MBA who wanted me to work more for less money'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know?  Where you actually there ?  I am sure SOME were paid in sacks of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt controls the price of sugar in the US.....it keeps the price high so that sugar made from corn is cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i read a book think it was "sugar and caloric sweetener markets" or something'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '.h'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the importation of sugar into the US is also limited to protect corn sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also protect the corn ethanol industry from brazilian sugar ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarcane is the world's largest crop.[1] In 2010, FAO estimates it was cultivated on about 23.8 million hectares, in more than 90 countries, with a worldwide harvest of 1.69 billion tons. Brazil was the largest producer of sugar cane in the world. The next five major producers, in decreasing amounts of production, were India, China, Thailand, Pakistan and Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of US sugar production comes from sugar beets.....about 65% of sugar'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that, in the 2000s, about 511 million bushels of corn, or about 4.7 percent of the total U.S. corn crop, has been be used to produce HFCS'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'funny that the US at some point had to tell sugar farmers to burn their crop in return for sugar because the govt was accepting sugar as collateral for failing loans'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US Navy sold an old aircraft carrier to be converted to scrap metal for 1 penny......Taxpayers sure did get a good deal on that one!'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The USS Forrestal was considered to be the US first supercarrier when it was launched in 1954'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxpayers should have at least gotten 50% of the profits from the scrapping of the ship.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering it will make the company that bought it millions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Each year hundreds of old tankers, ferries and cargo ships from around the world are beached on the mud flats of southeastern Bangladesh, where men armed with cutters and hammers dismantle them for scrap metal, salvaging what they can.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technology sector is the most cash-flush of all industries, with the top four cash kings - Apple, Microsoft, Google, Cisco - holding a collective $329 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Lessons learned from the it crash of 2000'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US companies are sitting on a record $1.5 trillion of cash right now, and apple has almost 10% of that total.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Automakers are also among the most cash-rich, with Ford Motor and General Motors holding $27.7 billion and $26 billion, respectively. '
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats why i own some auto stock :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think yanks were far more stupid than Brits, but my experience today has proven I was wrong'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'thief or mage...thief or mage..hmmmmmmmm!'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'If you live in the US, start boycotting foreign grown foods!'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'let all your friends know too'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obvious'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'students in San Jose, CA cannot hold car warshes to raise money for school events because they say it's endangering the environment'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just another reason for nuking california to get rid of the cockroach authoritarians'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's safe for the envirnment if done by 18 year old chicks in bikini.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you guys end up getting such quacks in control of cities?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one born every minute'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aviah: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut, you thought because it had "Obama" in the title it meant everyone would be getting healthcare for free?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, did she mean that she'd have a premium payment, or that the taxpayers are subsidizing it?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'she probably didn't realise the government's influx of money to govern the land comes from the people.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that snippet, it was a health insurance provider commenting on things said to her by Obama supporters who are now finding their original polices cancelled and the cheapest replacement three times the priec'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's the typical capacity for reasoning and judgement that most democrats have'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-roads-black-boxes-20131027,0,6090226.story#axzz2iwNEzCGK'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of us saw this coming a mile off'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only is it a severe breech of privacy, it's also entirely unneccessary'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'You mean to say breach, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite possibly, certain countries have ruined spelling for so often that I can no longer cope'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'would be a lot nicer as beach'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can't have beach'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'why not? a beach of privacy..  sounds lovely to me'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't go on a beach now without nazi's following you giving you a hard time. Even starting to get that here'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'nazi's maybe you are going to the wrong beaches.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'I agree. With Drakoth, whose name is really familiar.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'Also yeah I'm not familiar with these beach Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, we get them quite often'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I bet the nazi's would have been nicer if they spent more time on the beach, maybe wouldn't have invaded Poland.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'they were probably a lot more common in the 1940s.. but ive never seen one in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably have'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you've run into a petty beaurocrat you've run into a nazi'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you've run into anyone who holds laws above common sense, then you've met a nazi'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"President Obama "has the responsibility" to stop deportations of illegal immigrants if Congress proves unable to pass a comprehensive immigration bill, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) argued in an interview published Friday."'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds a little bit like "we can't get the spending bill we want, so we'll just shut down the whole government"'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also sounds like "we can't get the debt settlement we want, so we'll threaten to default on the national debt"'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who here would eat BSFL'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or Black Soldier Fly Larvae '
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless i had no other choice'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, anyone else seen Lady Gaga performing her new song?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enquiries of people trying to sell body parts has exploded over the last year'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this week there was a 100Gbps DDoS on a Chinese internet company, the third biggest in the country, after an announcement that they were to start trading bitcoins'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the wake of the Snowden files, IBM's sales in China dropped by 22%, with sales of new hardware there dropping 40%'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eliot coleman is an amazing gardener.'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK R.E teacher was banned from teaching for arguing Hitler wasn't all that bad, he was just having a bad day'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when did the UK discover and start mass-producing penicillin, at least enough to cure syphillis'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Penicillin was discovered in 1928, research was stopped in 1931, mass=producion started during WWII  '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: WWII may've been prevented if penicillin was readily available to cure syphilis in world leaders'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if so, then the UK was indirectly responsible for WWII '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, on several counts was the UK responsible for starting WWII'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(God works in mysterious ways) -- without WWII, i may've not been born to develop into the wise personality i am -- so i temporarily defer being overly critical of the UK -- even so: tsk tsk tsk? ;D '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers in the USA are allowed to continue for far lesser slights than that'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't about for WW2, however all of the UK's ills can be blamed on the generation that proceeded the war winners'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be less worried about ww2 and more worried about the future'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you were there, it was US, UK, France, Japan and Italy's fault WW2 started'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth is fusion.net?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/october2013/291013test.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda worrying'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'very'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'btw, Jorge Ramos is a freak'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is george ramos'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some elderly leftie latino plonker on the tellybox'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does he use natgas ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gives an interview to people and puts spurious comments and outright lies as text-overs on the video feed with "Fact (and a green tick)" to try and brainwash people into believing them'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as "Obamacare will mean 11.2 million latinos getting access to free healthcare. FACT"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he probably things natgas is the devil'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are senate democrats trying to put through a bill that automatically increases the debt limit each year?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they retarded? Oh wait, yes, they are. Problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause they have no fiscal responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorvez: 'why are republicans still clinging to austerity? oh they both are retarded'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republicans don't know the meaning of the word austerity'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get rid of them all, and put new people in office.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they only know "fire" and "reload"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the exception of the hand full of libertarian republicans that are currently being demonised by the press'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote moderate republican in the next election....get back to how things should be.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define moderate, define "how things should be"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be voting UKIP in the absence of anyone better'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really hoping the tea party nazis break off and give the republican party back to the moderates.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the tea party breaks off, the republican party dies'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abe lincoln is turning in his grave with what happened to the republican party.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republican party is a symbiotic relationship between grass roots tea party types who epitomise the original republican party ideals, and the "moderate" neo-con fake republicans who are interested only in corporate fascism and global war'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abe lincoln was a moderate, not a tea party conservative.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also had a beard. what's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cool hat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'kill em all'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what would you do if you won the lottery ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be surprised, given i didn't enter it'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should play the lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abe Lincoln the wannabe democrat freed the afroamericans so that Barack Obama nmay become President - xchan'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe lincoln was a hypocrite when it came to slavery'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok I want to hear about Abe the hypocrite.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of a 5% federal sales tax on lottery tickets...and if you win...you dont pay federal income tax.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never sort your finances out while you have parties in power that actively promote the further centralisation of power and control'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, pessimists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'realists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also:  bah, optimistic pessimists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'centralisation always leads to inefficiency, lack of opportunity, lack of freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rule by faulty aphorisms is also defective'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rule by anything other than truth and principle is far less susceptable to defects than lying, manipulating, and enslaving'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'acedic pessimism is a defeatist attitude'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drill baby drill'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not even sure what acedic means'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, to answer the implication, being sure of what you don't want can hardly be defined as a defeatist attitude, unless you're pushing propaganda seeking a way to discredit an opposing view by means of outright lie and deliberate misapprehension'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so are you merely wrong, or are you a liar?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"acedia" and "acedic" are apparently defined differently by use or misuse -- so perhaps:   acedic: "prone to self-defeatist talk attitude resulting in listlessness (acedia)"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my advice would be to ditch the deliberately oblique verbage and argue specific points based on things that are measurable or justifiable in some way'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the speech of Tigernuts seems directed to attempt to promote self-defeatist attitudes in the audience'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to do otherwise is basically a pretentious way of saying "i disagree because it's gay"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt self-defeating here, my opinions are cogent, self consistent and justifiable'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats happening'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what context?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'whats the most recent debate'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'whether you should walk David Ortiz or pitch to him'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i dont know who that is'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been one, i pointed out some news articles that showed some awful propanda hidden in grade 5 english tests'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade went on a ramble about nothing, and there was a brief discussion on the nature of the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'WHAT propaganda in tests'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/october2013/291013test.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a look'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of a set produced by Pearson Education'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts posted a few defeatist attitudes to encourage the audience to become acedic (give up, throw in the towek)'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(towel)'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wow thats a bit extreme dont you think'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the test?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'thats crazy'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ill-advised, with q4 and q5 being outright lies, and 6 being a matter of personal opiinon'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but all in all, pretty brainwashy'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'really ill check again'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'according to steven hawking its possible to get out of a black hole'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you draw a door on the inside of the black hole with chalk, open it and walk through'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'or if its big enough u can wait to float out'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bedtime for me, don't expect any sense from Zade and you won't be disappointed. Speak truth to power'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'really good to know '
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'night'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not sure I like this season of the walking dead.....first the zombies, now a illness that kills and you then turn into a zombie....'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why "there are some people who cannot remember the names of vegetables" can make you laugh? not a moral issue, just there is absolutely nothing funny about that fact if you think a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomatoes are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the democrats are pushing for the FCC to 'regulate' news websites and broadcast media in a stasi version of the fairness doctrine'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The FCC will 'collect a remarkably wide range of information on demographics, point of view, news topic selection, management style and other factors in news organizations both in and out of the FCCs traditional purview,' writes Tim Cavanaugh. 'The airwaves regulator would also subject news producers in all media to invasive questioning about their work and content,' a move on a collision course with the First Amendment."'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'potentially bad'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though probably easy to get around'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you like it if the only stations allowed to operate were MSNBC or clones thereof?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the democrats have been trying to regulate radio for a long time, and now with fox news, they want to regulate t.v.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a worrying attempt to try and muzzle the press here in the UK, too'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For starters, the reason black-face offends people is because blacks were portrayed as listless and simple. '
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what a joke, blackface is NOT "a racial point"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They were condescending.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's blackface about?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'apparently blackface is not appropriate to say or use on gossip (lol)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what context?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even when not used in any kidn of derogtory context (lol)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'An old-time entertainment in which whites used grease paint or something to darken themselves and did song and dance.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in the context of asking "why is blackface offensive to some people"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, there's certainly not a thing wrong about asking the question.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're either oversensitive or braindead fake liberal authoritarians?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(putting it bluntly)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Tiger. It's not that knee-jerky. Blackface went out of style, for lack of a better word, a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being out of style doesn't make it offensive'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Umado: 'are you asking why it would be offensive now, or during times of blackface being used?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a child my dad had a black labrador called nigger, that wasn't an issue back then either'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'rhavage, I could understand if that was any kind of contemporary thing.  But I think if you polled most americans, 90% would have no clue what "blackface minstrel" is.  I studied US history in almost every grade and never read about it until AP US history.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, in fact they *were* offensive. They were extremely condescending and made blacks out to look like simple minded fools. Trust me. I really do know.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like any american tv show makes southerners to be fools and simple?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the term "grow some bollocks" comes to mind'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Umado: 'pretty much, yes'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody is debating that, I think the point is why something a century or more old is somehow automatically included in every context where blackface is used'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not excusing today's tv. I'm just explaining what blackface was.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, it's demise is not nearly as old as you might think.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'since I say that most people don't know what blackface minstrels are, I think people are offended more on peer pressure than actual offense.  kind of like why this mud "hates me"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the halfwits hate you, kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I love this interview of a kid who did MLK with blackface and was so confused why it was offensive  "I don't understand why people are offended, I like black people".'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Alas, I must reveal myself, in a sense. I'm older than most mudders and by quite a few years. I was *in* a blackface Cub Scout (Cub Scouts!) show in 1960. That's still modern times, my friends. Color tv, space launches, etc. '
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'damn, wish i could hear more about that, but gotta run'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'maybe another time!  bye!'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swirls of mist dance around Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Take care, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'So envision the scene. All the white suburban parents tickled to death to watch their little boys pretend to be Ol' black Sambo. That's really what it was. As kids, of course, we didn't and couldn't know what we were doing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'back from outer space!'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh. Wb :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'rhavage  this was 1960's i.e. civil rights discrimination era'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'this was four years before the civil rights act was passed, yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think history shows that what is considered offensive goes in cycles and it just keeps getting longer'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'gotta go again, this time for good, bye'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro reminds that everyone should become a fan on Aardwolf's Facebook page.
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best not to get sucked in by politically correct bullshit, most of it is propaganda pushed by organisations with a political agenda, like the demonisation of airsoft/nerf guns'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like banning packed lunches in schools'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, there was a story about a legislation being bandied around the EU parliament that will making it an offence to criticise feminism, islam, the EU, and a whole raft of other things'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legislation also includes coercing media to spend a set percentage of their programming pushing "tolerance"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'sick'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's sick, it's the EU'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'true :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fundamentally undemocratic, unrepresentative organisation set up and run by communists with the aim for rolling europe in a united soviet socialist republic'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are trying to do what the american lot are trying to do to the states'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has to do with the same people with their hands in both pies'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's Zade when you need some esoteric impenetrable bollocks that isn't relevant to anything?'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so, today I got to watch the continued cascade fail that is our war on drugs...'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sat on a jury of a guy accused of assaulting a corrections officer, who's only crime was marijuana distribution.  Evidence unfortunately pretty cleaning showed he hit the guy.  So now guy's got more jail time from the assault than his original conviction'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but he'd have never been there in the first place if growing plants was legal.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bugs the shit outta me'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and I'll bet you dollars to donuts his corrections officer was messing with him, goading him, begging him to snap'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm not quite getting what you're saying there.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the US has a huge problem with a higher proportion of it's citizens incarcerated, and a higher proportion of blacks incarcerated.  I think the drug war is largely to blame for it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'rr'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'mt'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the radish has almost no nutrition whatsoever.....what is the point of them ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'holy guacamole'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you be worred when the head of the congressional intelligence committee comes out witha  chestnut like this "You cant have your privacy violated if you dont know your privacy is violated."'