T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: i'm trying to get bast spellup plugin working. getting ssl error: [string "Plugin"]:14: module 'ssl.https' not found:
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: any idea why?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: and how to check, which aarmush version i am running?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jedhi Tech: is there a way to make winklewinkle spellup plugin to monitor power projection?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use Bast's spellup rather than WinkleWinkle's, but for cooldown abilities, you'll usually want to control when it's up/down to maximize useful times rather than having it recast when you run back to restock on potions and be wasted time
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisted Takanata Tech: does anybody have a recommendation for a good free anti-virus?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: avast
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: bitdefender was a top one on av-test
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: ohh free, sorry
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: bitdefender = not free
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: avg is ok
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: use avast and some common sense
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: ohh free, sorry
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: oops
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: oops
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: hello, can someone tell me why can't I run to some places using xrt? what do i miss? for example: chess, legend, melody, fantasy...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: mapper doesnt automatically learn custom exits, you need to teach it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: likely suffixing a space to the special other exit command
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: my guess is that those areas involve a custom exit along the way
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: I see, how can I find out which custom exits do I need? I can't see them while using rt
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: for example, go to recall, type speedwalk fantasy, you will see you need to "sleep" to reach fantasy
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: got it, thank you very much:)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: speedwalk to legend from recall is run 4ne
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: speedwalk to legend from recall is run 4ne,open n,run 2nw2ne. why can't I run to it with xrt even if I have cexit to open that door on the way?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You can probably run to the first room
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: All the rest of the rooms are through a custom exit
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: xrt often doesn't get the "first room" correct until you tell it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: which one to use
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: what does it say when you type xrt legend?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: right, I went there with rt, set first room as start with xset mark and finally i can go there with xrt. thank you:)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: office programs. Find and replace function. How do I find and delete?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: leave replace text blank and hit replace all?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: haha yeah, thanks :) would you believe I tried that several times
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: but now it works
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lmao
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: but not before?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: nope =( think it might have been a bug, or perhaps I'm just missing something
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: it was replacing with something completely different which wasn't blank
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Windows 7.  My quick-launch icons disappear if I have an instance of that program open already.  Anyone know how to stop that from happening?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Pretty sure it didn't used to do that, before I reinstalled windows
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: you can start another instance if you shift-click though I think
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: err, those are the ones permenently on the startbar next to the start button and before you get to the open app tabs?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: yes, Hanslanda, though I"m not sure what you mean by open app tabs (it's Win7)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Hmm, seems I can, ElFeneri.  That's probably good enough for me.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: app = program.  I believe if it's not something on your quick launch you get separate tabs for those apps, whereas your quick-launch apps can be mouseovered to select any open instances.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: what I mean is the icons on the quick-launch menu disappears if I open an instance of that program.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: is it an older box that maybe doesn't have enough juice to handle the aero stuff?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: eg. if I click on them
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: never seen that myself.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I guess it's technically not the "quick launch" menu.  It's just programs pinned to the taskbar
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/windows-7-taskbar-icons-disappear/1ae80c85-04fc-4bef-8a1f-56ee4dc154c5?page=1&tm=1396397548134
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: did you try those?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: that sounds like an issue with windows explorer not running
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Maybe I'm just misremembering how it used to work, but I don't think so
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if the actual pinned icon is disappearing, that's not how it works.  If you're just thinking that the app you opened has somehow disappeared because it didn't show up as its own tab to the right of the entire quicklaunch bar (like how apps used to do in WinXP), yeah that changed; quicklaunch apps have their open-instance tabs collapsed into the quicklaunch bar.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: that's not what I mean
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: For example, when I have no programs open, there's a firefox symbol next to my start button
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Used to be, I could click that to open firefox.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: And then, I could click it again
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: to open another window
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Same with the windows explorer (folder) icon
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Now, after I click it, it opens firefox, but disappears until I close firefox
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: is it just firefox?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: No, all icons
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Well, right now, I just have firefox, and the windows explorer
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: but it's just the individual icon that disappears, rather than the entire bar?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I'm like 95% positive it didn't work that way before I reinstalled windows
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I would still go with the corruption/repair stuff I linked to.  Windows, for all its (supposed) faults, is still a robust piece of software so it's going to take a LOT of minor "dings" to have any noticeable changes.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: How does it work on your computer?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Can almost guarantee you that it's not corruption that's causing this.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you would be very surprised, I bet.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: sure thing. back to google, then
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: how the quicklaunch works on my comp is as follows: with no instances of that app open, I can click that icon and open up the first instance.  This adds the highlight to the icon, and if I mouseover the icon I can see a real-time thumbnail window of that app (technically, I suppose I could play aard via cmud but it's far too small to be useable).  It will show any open window, including those from multiple instances, but I cannot just click on the icon to open up another instance.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: windows 7?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yep
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You probably have your taskbar set to not how descriptions, and always combine items
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: not show*
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: If I set mine to that right now, then it acts exactly like that
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but I don't think it was like that before
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: of course, I am likely suffering from my own bits of corruption as I've lost pretty much all the buttons and tabs in Task Manager and somehow got stuck on Services with no way to get out (in effect, if something hangs I have to restart instead of force-quitting).
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: actually...I might have an idea
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Maybe I *did* have the quick-launch menu there
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: instead of stuff pinned to taskbar
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Nope, wasn't that, either :(
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: perhaps program conflict is a factor?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I would think it wouldn't be that "surgical", though.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: fairly fresh install of windows.  Have only downloaded like half a dozen programs since I reinstalled.  None of which weren't already on there before, I don't think.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: can find threads via google of people having the same problem, but haven't found a solution
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: does this happen immediately after a boot, or does it only kick in for some time after use?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: always
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: It's working exactly like yours is
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but I don't want it to
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: so, it's not like something is "wrong"
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: just not how I want it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: did you play with the Taskbar properties?  Or are you wanting a fourth option beyond "always combine, hide labels", "combine when taskbar is full", and "never combine"?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: nods, tried all of those already
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish yawns.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ask questions now before I change window
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: why is xkcd so funny?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it isn't
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars slaps The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: gtfo
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Oh come you didn't do a polite chuckle at little bobby tables?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: don't get me wrong, the guy who draws it is a friend of mine. But you don't like xkcd because it's funny. smbc is funny. xkcd just fits your cultural paradigm
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you are friends with the guy who draws xkcd?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i call bs
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well you think xkcd is funny so your judgment is already suspect, Scars :P
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i think we're defining "funny" inconsistently here
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm...hard to ...oh wait. I can actually prove it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i find the what-if blog to be filled with plenty of funny quips
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well, sort of
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so, should i stop waiting for proof?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/ballpen/four_computers.jpg  <- the guy next to randall is my other friend steve.   https://www.flickr.com/photos/xxv/8486219569/ <- and this is me wearing funny earrings in steve's flickr 
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: okay, you win
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: how did ya meet him?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: he lives like a block from me
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: well that fun
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: is he anywhere near as emo as his early comics depicted himself as?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: because his early stuff was... yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: i'm done answering questions about someone who isn't here to defend himself
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars :(
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i wasn't trying to attack him, just stating that his early stuff was... emotionally driven seemingly
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I didn't know him then. We met around... http://xkcd.com/655/
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a bit before then
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: see, how is that not funny?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because it's just based on an actual event
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but maybe you had to be there
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: oh I got another question...sometimes when a note from a plugin is sent to the screen at the same time a line is gagged in mush (in another different plugin) the line isn't actually gagged....ever seen this?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a Note?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yeah like Note("tester")..
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm. like what line is supposed to be gagged?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Like I capture info lines and gag them all only displaying ones I want to see.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Man, that must be a lot of triggers
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: And if an info line comes in at the same time as I am sending a Note it's not gagged.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: do you do this through the comm log plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: If you haven't seen it, I'll gather my thoughts try to get it reroducable and post it...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Nah
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: why not?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I don't show messages incom logg
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Because there are some messages I want to see and some I don't...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: The comm log (via chat echo) lets you control whether info lines get captured and whether they get shown in main output
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe that might work better?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Indeed, but doesn't let me show just my clan's puping messages for instance.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I see
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: All comes down to clanonly flag on info channel and wanting to see all deaths.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: gotcha
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I'll try to come up with a plugin which can easily reproduce it and post it on the forums...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that would be best
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well I suppose it might depend on some fiddly details, but maybe there's a race condition where the Note call forces the line numbering to change so that the subsequent omit request hits the wrong line number
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but I don't know if that's true
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: does Mush parse sequentially, like CMud does, or does it try to do things like ZMud did?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that question is nonsensical to me
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Apparently zmud would parse by taking one line from the beginning of the buffer, then one from the end, and working inward towards the middle. You know, it's the Blow Pop method.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't even
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh hey I found a video of me on the internet
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I live in fear of the day when I will be able to say th at.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: zmud evaluated all the trigger matches on each line and simply fire off their code as soon as the match was successful.  CMud uses priority values and will not even attempt to match more trigger patterns until the code for the current one is done working.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgDJIKsJjLE
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: zmud is essentially a rootin', tootin' cowboy while CMud is the marksman.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: are you suggesting that zmud was multithreaded?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I kind of doubt that
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sure, one for zmud, one for the copy protection scheme of the day
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, but it didn't wait for trigger code to finish.  It was all done in the main (only) thread.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define didn't wait for it to finish
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: sometimes you would get trigger code executing out of order, because one trigger was fast to match but took forever to execute its code.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that reasoning seems unlikely. what makes you say it?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: because that was how it was explained by the code guy.  If Fiendish told me how Fiendish's stuff worked, Fiendish would have a bit of an issue is some guy not named Fiendish said he was wrong, yes?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The code guy? You mean Zugg?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I also used ZMud for years and experienced the same.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm. http://www.emobius.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44606
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: could you guys answer a simpler question?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the description in that thread doesn't quite agree with what you said, but it's sort of close
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Bobolai: maybe
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what plugin to auto-equip a dual weapon everytime i use a portal?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: "can you answer a simple question?" is not, in itself, a simple question.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: use a trigger :)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: or really cheat and get the portal wish
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: trigger to what, WOOOOOOSH?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: i trigger on you remove x 
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Why not use an alias that redefines 'dual' and saves whatever you're actually dualing in a variable?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im too lazy to type an alias after every portalling
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: or get the portal wear wish?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and im not a tech person
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, I mean an alias that you use to wield the weapon once.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lets see if i can figure out how to do pattern matching, is that what's it called? variable matching?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im following zetch's idea, trigger on you remove x
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why can't i adjust the size of my configuration window, it's huuuge
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im not sure how to make the triggers.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: then just make an alias instead
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: You stop wielding Dagger in your off-hand. What do i put as phrase phrase and send?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Not sure you would want to trigger off that
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Just make an alias for "enter" that does "enter;dual dagger"
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: isn't there a plugin for this?!
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Probably.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh, i get madcatz's (madcatz'?) idea.  
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: on another note, where does mapper store its portals?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: In the database?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: aardwolf.something?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i've been appending "dual dagger" at the end of my portals as a workaround...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i did dual eapon for all of mine until i got the wish
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: err well i used a variable, because sometimes i had a different offhand
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i'll just change my trigger because im not techy
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I aliased ']]' as 'dual weapon', then mapper portal 'get portal from bag;wear portal;enter;]];put portal bag'
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Oh lordy, why would you use ]] as an alias? Be descriptive, man! You'll thank yourself someday when you're reading over some of your code going WTF was this for again??
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: why would you need the extra alias there?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: agrees with metria
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: so that you can just change the alias
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: So that I won't have to change the mapper portals when I change wepaons
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: bamboo, that is the problem i face now.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i need to change all my mapper portals!
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Not even sure that's going to work.  Not sure if the mapper uses Send() or Execute()
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i tried, it works
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: My alias ']]' is mudside.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: my alias is client-side and it works
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: nod.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: bamboo rice
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: if it's mudside then yes, it'll work
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I actually still use the alias now even when I have the wish. alias ']]' 'wear amulet'
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have a client-side alias 'portal *' which fetches the portal I ask for from my aard bag, equips it, enters it, and then puts it back in the bag.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i guess we all use mapper differentally
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's not the mapper, even.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: metria that is smart actually, it helps making new mapper portals easier
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I can post the code if you want it, Bobolai
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and how can you not use mapper?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: it's okay, i'm not that techy, but a mere peasant
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: portal *, i can see that screwing up if you have some with similar keywords
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Possibly, but I haven't run into many keyword collisions thus far
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: portal 'keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 metriaistoosmart
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: portal 'keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 metriaistoosmart'*
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: also looking for an inv sort plugin. Bast seems to have only eq plugin.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: finger me
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: that's what she... nevermind
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what am i supposed to do with the text file called container sort?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: save it as an xml file (might have to copy/paste into a text document first)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: then file->plugins->add
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why don't you upload the xml file...
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh. you want to change it on the go?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Pretty sure it is an xml file
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but I might be wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Madcatz shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: haven't touched it in probably 5 years
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: at least
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i copied my aardwolf ush client files into another file, and now editing the Aardwolf.dbl file from there. over 14 kB. I've never seen Notepad lag. 
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're... what?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: you're trying to edit a database with notepad?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: grin
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what am i supposed to use to view and edit a database file?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: First off, why are you editing the database by hand? Unless you have a really good reason, you don't want to be doing that.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: depends on the database file
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i'm not as smart as you guys! okay aardwolf.dbl
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sqlite3
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: my notepad just crashed, only reason im trying something else
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: There's a really good addon for Firefox that does sqlite. (sqlite-manager)  But you don't want to be tinkering with your db, you really don't.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I use the firefox addon
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: get notepad+
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there an easier way to redo all my &*^&*^ mapper portals?!
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mapper fullportal <command> <room_id> <level>
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: guess you got too many portals from escobar haha
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: mapper fullportal get portal portalbag;;wear portal;;enter;;]];;put portal bag 12345 100 
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loljystyx Tech: ]]?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: who can say for sure
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: try it and find out
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i don't know, but i followed the winklewinkle website's method
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: heex, which is...?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i make a mush alias then i use mapper portal <alias>
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: the alias has to include taking the portal out of the bag, holding it, then replacing it then putting it back into a bag
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: .. i dont get it.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: so for example i want to input a deneria portal in mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: so i make a <deneria> alias
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: that has take deneria 2.bag, hold deneria, enter, hold amulet, put deneria 2.bag
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: then i just input mapper portal deneria
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You'd probably want to use a bag serial number just in case the order of the bags ever changes
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nod metria
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: heh, so far 3 bags, i'm making sure the order is the same
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: or, get portal 'pandora box clanname'
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: things only go wrong if a mob drops a bag and i pick that up
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: use the ID number of the bag instead, to solve that.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why must you alias it?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: once you make a mapper portal, you don't need to change it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: shouldn't need to anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: the portal command works with only one word?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: if your one word is an alias. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: erm no?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You make it an alias so that you can do multiple steps and use variables. That way you can automatically dual your second weapon without having to edit the alias.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: editing the alias sounds easier. and then again, my train of thought has been derailed
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: get portal wish, don't need to dual remove, wield 2nd weapon again.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, we already suggested that too
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol.
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how do i set an alias with more than 1 variable?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: like, aliasing setportal to mapper fullportal <command> <roomid> <level>?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: setportal *1 *2 *3?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: without the numbers yes
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd just call it setportal
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and mapper fullportal <command> %2 %3?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: setportal * -> mapper fullportal %1
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what do you want to accomplish with that?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: to make setting mapper portals easier, i alias setportal * * * to mapper fullportal get %1 'guitar case';;hold %1;;enter;;dualwea;;put %1 'guitar case' %2 %3 where %1 is my portal, %2 is the room id and %3 is the level lock
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wouldn't it just be easier to enter the portal, then mapper portal <command>?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what about portals above your level? i don't want to enter the portals
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You don't need them yet anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: making a non-variable alias in mushclient isn't that difficult
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: /facepalm nvm
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: http://i.imgur.com/5kLhKKC.png
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd made all that get blahblah case its own alias and call to that
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because you might want to, eg, change the name of your bag
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or what rauru has with container variables
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i feel dumb for not understanding this new idea
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i guess i dont understand variables
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Nick Gammon has a yt video about creating aliases and variables
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i think i dont need it
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: laziness ++
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there a difference between level lock of 0 and level lock of 1?
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: uh, sure, level lock of 1 means you can't use it when you are level 0!
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: barbarian can punch with sword/shield
T3/r7/2014-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Trigger function "invmon" not found or had a previous error?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: anyone play from the phone?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gilduran Tech: I do sometimes
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I just found this game in the Google Play store but most of the web content seems to suggest it's a game geared towards computers?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gilduran Tech: Definitely a little easier to play from a computer vs. a phone
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Trigger function "invmon" not found or had a previous error. what does this mean?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: Don't know but restarting aard usully helps
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i think it has something to do with one of the plugins you have... look for a plugin with word invmon, possibly disable it???  
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Don't go about disabling plugins without knowing what they do
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Some plugins are required by others
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i disabled the offending plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: well actually i removed it, something like xEQ
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Did you put it there?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: well.. see if it messes up others... if it does, then able it back..
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: now im curious how to use it...
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brun Tech: usually re-installing plugin does the trick
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how do i view the help of Bast plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: How do I remove a note in mapper?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: click on the room on mapper and clear the note
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i *think* there is an error, look for \ and change to % , there should be two instances..
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: so if the mob is over a certain level it wont pop into my consider window?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it makes sense - you can just click mob and kill it using default kill command
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: no point to kill too low level mobs
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: anyone familiar with consider mini window online right now?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: i have it working properly but i do have another question
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: is vevo any good on xbox or should i look elsewhere for xbox360 app ?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: what do you want?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Does anyone know why the buttons might not work in the Aardwolf android client?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: go to options and uncheck full screen
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: The ACTIONS and Clear button both work, but look and the cardinals do not respond at all.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: That did it, thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Does the Blowtorch MUD client have any features the Aardwolf client lacks, or vice-versa?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can put it back to fullscreen once it's been toggled, as well...there's just some funky glitch where the buttons "drift" with where on the screen the program thinks you should be pressing until they're no longer usable
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the same program, put out by the same guy
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: the new blowtorch client supports plugins.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: does aard app leverage new blowtorch app, too?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the beta, that is...there's no released new client
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: The blowtorch beta? I was curious about it's buttonset features, if they are in the Aardwolf client as well?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are plugins for Aard for it, such as the channel capture
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: correct  
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I might check out that Beta then.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: I havent used any of the plugins yeg. need to check those out.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Channel capture plugin.. you mean -h? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: capture to a small window separate from MUD output, which doesn't scroll with MUD output
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course how useful that would be will depend on whether you have screen real estate for it...ymmv
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Hmmm. Interesting.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: details on the v2 beta version are at http://www.offsetnull.com/blowtorch/v2-test-version/
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Whats the mush command to reset all the windows?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: resetaard I think
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: thanks man
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: is there a command to make them resize to fill the screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: i got this error that I'm hoping someone can solve: File does not have a valid MUSHclient XML file
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: using putty atm
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: putty allows scripting?!
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: no it does not
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: its just a basic telnet client
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: so you're connected straight to the mud, or connecting remotely through MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: and youre connecting to a server running mushclient? (cmdline?)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: (not sure exactly how putty works)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: putty is just a telnet client
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it shows strings lets you enter strings, thats pretty much it
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: telnet, serial, ssh, ssh tunneling, but yeah :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm happy enough with Cmud, but it does piss me off a bit that Zugg isn't going to develop further, and likely, not fix any bugs.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dusty...was your question that you're using putty at the moment because of getting that error in MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and was it more like world does not have a valid MUSHclient signature?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: what happens when Zugg dies, with the copy-protection, when the websites doing the renewals on zmud and cmud close 
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: see gossip
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the same thing that happens with Lasher dies
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: hrm, require a backup alternate addiction
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Rather just see someone decompile cmud, or better yet, see Zugg release it as open-source.  Doubt either will happen though.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Easier to create from scratch than to decompile that.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: a million-plus lines of code can't be that hard to decompile...
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: let us know how that works out for ya
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Sure, and who wants to try maintaining a million plus lines of uncommented code
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: well, hopefully I'll win the mega millions, if I do I'll just buy the IP rights or something.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you're not old enough to have a chance at winning it.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: there will be more clients written
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't get it. I've used zmud, cmud, tinyfugue, and mushclient. What has cmud got that inspires such loyalty? Is it a "I paid money and don't want to feel foolish" syndrome or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: mostly familiarity.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: that is part of it, but mainly because it would rude on his part.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I mean, would YOU walk away from a robust setup in favor of having to not only learn a new client but rebuild everything you had?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I did, in fact.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, twice
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And it was *totally* worth it.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it couldn't have been worth it...you're not using tf anymore :P
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A bright, shiny gold halo appears over your head.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I still use tinyfugue, just not for Aardwolf
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: eh, just write your own and then you never have to worry about it :)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the mapper is also better in zmud/cmud than in mush, if for no other reason than that it doesn't try to hide rooms (like in a maze).  If you take the time to actually figure out the rules and spatial layouts of some mazes (ie, the gauntlet is a rectangle standing up on its short side), you gain an awareness of where you are and where you can end up in the maze.  In mush, you just get the one room in the middle with exits swirling around it.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I think cmud's pattern matching is pretty straightforward and works pretty well.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: cmud can use com objects to, apparently, gain access to the whole Windows API
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: gain access to anything with a com interface.  Media players, instant messengers, web browsers, etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: could even, technically, write/install scripts using com.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: cryptography programs
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK so cmud lets you do this. Is anyone actually doing it?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and why? I want my mud client to be a mud client, not an Operating System
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: com objects are apparently the least documented of anything cmud can do
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: when Hanslanda said "(ie, the gauntlet is a rectangle standing up on its short side)", that was the "you are being punked" indicator
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in a widespread form, dunno.  But several finished scripts are available, including one that internalizes WinAMP into the client.  Most are probably zmud-era, so would likely need updating.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what was that one program that people used to run that showed stat-like stuff in a separate window that interfaced with I forget if it was zmud or MUSH?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I really don't need a script to tell my ftalk what track I'm listening to right now thanks. 1996 and ICQ want their feature back.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I know at least one person is (was?) reading email through cmud.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: why the hell would you want to do that? if i could read mud notes in gmail id actually read notes
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: We're glad you feel that Metria.  Some people are more interested in it. *shrug*
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "Some people" -- CITATION NEEDED
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: idk, being able to change tracks with a cmd in your mud client is a convenience thing, some people might LOVE it
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I can do that without com }:>
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: one of my friends has spent a significant amount of time making a script that can do a lot of things, like report weather, sports games, music, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You slap Book of Etzli.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Isn't that like, the Yahoo.com landing page, Scars?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: that'd be the guy
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: wheres the sourceforge for mud scripts?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Cite me as a cource, cmud the potential uses and capabilities are interesting to me.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thats what someone needs to do, create some space that people can upload their works
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so, here's the deal, programming stuff is enjoyable for some people... apparently that's not you, get over yourself bro
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: not just for mud scripts...
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the notion that because something is not useful to you, therefore it's not useful, is... well it's stupid
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Starling, you want a script that tells your ftalk what music you're currently listening to? (That was the specific example, was it not?)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, it wasn't, Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'd like a script that i could, at will, report my current pandora song to my flist yes
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: although i'm not starling, so i guess we'll see her answer
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you know what i want? i want to remove this "Saves" line in statmon (mush) and replace it with hunger/thirst
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are winamp plugins for MUSHclient, btw
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: They really whip the llamas ass.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: does winamp connect to pandora?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the example was actually having an interface for the external app in the client so that you could use that entire app in-client instead of having to alt-tab to "the real thing".
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kobus: that would be pretty easy to do
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Some of the things that interest me are communications-related
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: abelinc: thats how lazy i am
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: already started to do it, then i was like "well i should add color"
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: then i was like "well i dont really know lua"
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I used winamp as an example of said external app, but it can be anything with a com interface, including far more modern titles.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so i gave up
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the pain in the butt thing about doing that change is that you'd be altering a stock plugin, which means you'd have to re-do the change every update
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: who cares about hunger/thirst anyway, nohunger wish bro
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: another (arguably-better) option is to submit that as a feature request to Fiendish, then you may get it as default behavior
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, most people care more about hunger/thirst than saves, at any rate
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: wish? wishes are completely out of my reality right now
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 800k QPs earned and nohunger still isn't on my radar
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: saves are being phased out right?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so the line i spointless
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: is*
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not fully-pointless yet, but it's becoming so
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's not very pointful to begin with, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i think it'd be more appropriate to simply ask fiendish to supplement the window rather than replace something
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: meh, was just gonna mod it myself
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: search/replace saves/hunger, good enough
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: really? alright ill just do that
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i always try to make thing complicated
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although the variable would change from stats.saves to status.hunger
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depending on how invasive the changes are, you could probably extract the changes as a patch and apply them to new releases cleanly
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea status
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: was just gonna say that
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: diff -u
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: <3
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hunger and thirst go down at close-enough speed to each other, and are both replenished by good drinks enough with a gulp that just reporting one of the two should be good enough to just watch for when you need to gulp
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea i broke it
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's part of the coding process.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: not sure what the problem is
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: [string "Plugin"]:454: bad argument #1 to 'RGBColourToName' (number expected, got nil)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't mess with the colors :P
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: all i did was the search replace and change stats.saves to status.hunger
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: after that, search for saves and replace with hunger
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: did that first, searched for "Saves" replace with "Hunger", replace two occurrences of "stats.saves" with "status.hunger"
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thats it, now its broken
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lmao
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I wish I knew what hitroll does.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is it ever worth it to stack it?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, and then there's one more change to make...
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: where?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a final search/replace for OnPluginhungertate, changing it to OnPluginSaveState
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since a search/replace of saves to hunger messed that up (unless you did a case-sensitive search, which isn't usually default)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i did case sensitive
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: the OnPluginSaveState is correct
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, i dont get what the problem is lol
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What error are you getting?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: [string "Plugin"]:454: bad argument #1 to 'RGBColourToName' (number expected, got nil)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Slap the file up on pastebin?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: metria: in statmon plugin, search/replace "Saves" with "Hunger", then "stats.saves" with "status.hunger" and youll have the file i have
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, that won't work
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do it in the original order
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stats.saves to status.hunger first
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: case sensitive*
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: im gonna change it back and see what happens
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, make sure that you're starting with the original and not one that you'd started your initial mucking with ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I made those 3 search/replaces and I can enable the plugin locally, although I don't use MUSH to connect to Aard, so while it installs the plugin without error, I just have the window that says "Stats will appear here once you start playing."
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, changed it back and its the same thing
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i didnt make any changes the first time i was just looking
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: start here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/MUSHclient/MUSHclient/worlds/plugins/aard_statmon_gmcp.xml
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: copied/pasted from the url, no change
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're getting that error when loading the one from the URL?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: states probably borked
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: after a reinstall its fixed
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, something else must be changing with this search and replace because its totally screwed again
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: im just gonna do it manually this time
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea this is ridiculous
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: this is exactly why i didnt bother, i knew it would be overly complex
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: for no apparent reason
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: pastebin you said?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: http://pastebin.com/8Xjw6LBw
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Kobus
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yes?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's the modified version on pastebin?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Because you touch yourself at night.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: metria: yea
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: hrm
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: im starting to wonder about this movewindow plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is hunger really status.hunger? I'm guessing that line 169 is where it's barfing
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yes, it is
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: according to the gmcp value information on aardwolf.com
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: help gmcp
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try this: file -> plugins, highlight it, click remove...go to world\plugins\state, sort by name...find the file that has the part after the dash start with "ef" and ends with "386"...delete that one...then back to file -> plugins and re-add the statmon one
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: re-add the modified statmon, that is
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: mine are e0
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I said after the dash
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: every file starts with the same big first part...it's worldID-PluginID.xml
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ok, it worked
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: and my hunger is listed :FD
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thanks abe
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How'd you end up fixing it? Just blowing away the state?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cool, arnica nailed what I walked you through
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ill have to remember about the states if i change variables again
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Awesome
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: Metria: i think the variable for colors was saved in the state file
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: needed to destroy it
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nodnod
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, its listed in OnPluginSaveState.. Nice catch
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, i never would have guess to delete the state file, im pretty new to mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: That aspect of persistent data is a little hard to get used to
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: more than a mouthful just goes to waste, amirite?
T3/r7/2014-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis :P
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useful Hadar Tech: im playing with phpthumb (to resize images) and my cache file is chmod to 777 but for some reason i cant write to it, any suggestions?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: directory rights ?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: just su to user who cannot write and try create / modify files in that dir
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that way you will get verbose error
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And if you're at all interested in security, don't have files that are chmod 777 anywhere on your filesystem
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useful Hadar Tech: metria phpthumb requires it to write cache images
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Why in the hell would a non-executable cache file need execute permission?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And since you're using PHP, check open_basedir and safe_mode
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also check ACLs, chattr, selinux
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: the file doesn't need execute permission, the accessor does.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useful Hadar Tech: i only have FTP access to the server so im limited on what i can modify
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Um, what? You don't need +x to open or modify a cache file
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but process may require +x
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: depends on who owns the file.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: not for OS level, just developer wanted so
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: even if the OS owns the file, not all parts of the OS have the same rights.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, that's not how unix/linux file permissions work. If you don't own the file, you check the group and other permissions, not the execute bit
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: the evidence says otherwise, Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What evidence? 
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dolt quirks an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if developer assumed that file need to have rwx then permissions at OS level are irrelevant, I mean OS allows you to acces file but program refuse to work because of improper rights
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: obviously the execute permission was required, that's evidence that sometimes you need the execute bit.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Seeing as how what he's trying to do isn't working, I'd say that's rather poor evidence that execute is required
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it's only evidence that the dev didn't understand file permissions either and was lazy. it'll work, that doesn't mean it's right
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: -
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway, file can be --- and you still can be able to access it if there are ACLs for it
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: I wouldn't complain about being able to demand that the file not be accessed if the accessor can't run in the given segment.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: it surely can cut down on hacks.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway, as Hadar don't have shell access but only FTP access the only thing he can modify are chmod permissions
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you could still could try to recreate that cache file with new owner - simply upload cache after logging as phpthumb user
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: is there a miniwin for tick timer
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: there's a thing that puts it in the status bar
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i dislike the status bar
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: you will have to write your own then i suspect
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: is there a way to set macros in mush without going to the macro screen? Like typing something in like #macro etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Aurelia peers around herself intently.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: cmud question, if I have a dozen triggers all set to priority 10, in what order are they processed?  Or does cmud process all such triggers before it handles lower-priority triggers?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: remember than in cmud lower number means higher priority. As for what happens if they all have the same priority. They go in the table in the order they are created.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jurel Tech: what plugins are similar to S&D?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: None I think
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jurel Tech: i remember being told not to use S&D. I didn't care ask why.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: it's old and wont be updated anymore. And you need to manually adapt it to make it work again.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jurel Tech: but there isn't an alternative to S&D
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: well Wink quit Satan, I mean Apple, so maybe he will have time again:)
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: I'm happy to say there is not Jurel. I hate that plugin.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: is there any way to create a lag in mapper so it is possible to create exits such as the one in sandcastle with the genie?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Lag? You mean wait/pause?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: there is in cexits
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: hm.. how?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaenelle Tech: mapper help exits lists mapper cexit_wait <seconds> to set a delay
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: nod
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaenelle Tech: if you have mapper questions, check out 'mapper help' lots of stuff is covered there. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: that's just the pause in detection for creating a cexit
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I don't think that's what's meant
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I'm pretty sure it is:)
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: the genie part, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: it is, except for the fact that will there be a wait time even when the custom exit is used? because if there isn't, the run will continue during the pause for the transfer
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: so it also kind of isnt :/ everyone's right!
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaenelle Tech: Hmmm. that is true. Not sure there.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: no your run command will not pause in that case. I'm looking for the same thing. I've tried stacking a couple of laggy commands in there, like hunts.. Kinda works, sometimes
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaenelle Tech: You can set a pause to detect a special cexit, but don't think the pause will be there whrn running it.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: why wouldn't you just set the genie part as a cexit, then your run will take the pause into account
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: that's what I do for the beggar and captain pauses in Nix
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: the genie doesn't transfer you instantly, so your cexit triggers, and then it tries to run the next part instantly, when you haven't been transferred yet
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: that's what I mean, add the cexit pause at the genie
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: the mapper runto doesnt pause, just setting the cexit (that I know of).
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: the runto wil insert the pause if there is a paused cexit in the middle
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: how are you suggesting to do that Piffaron? Like what's your 'mapper cexit' command look like to include a pause?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: well, I actually don't have one for the genie yet, but that's a good idea:)
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: what's the command, rub lamp, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: 'say yes'
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: say i want to see the genie
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: then you get transferred 5 seconds later.  the runto doesn't pause.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: does this work mapper ' I want to seee the genie_wait 5
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: mapper cexit say I want t see the genie;wait((6))
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: stupid keyboard
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: mapper cexit say I want to see the genie;;wait((6))
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: yes, I'm not where I can test it out, but should be easy to do
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: soo.. mapper cexit say I want t see the genie;wait((6)) stupid keyboard?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ^^ that one
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: the stupid keyboard is critical
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yes it all relies on that
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: So that's where I went wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: cursing at the mapper solves most problems.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Yes. Science has proven it.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: wink had some anger issues, so it'
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: wink had some anger issues, so it's embedded in his code:)
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: ah that works a treat, without the double parentheses for me. So just include wait(seconds) in there.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: No 'stupid keyboard' ??
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: That's unethical Dolt.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ah, i just quoted the help file, never used the wait myself
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea you skipped a step, its almost guaranteed to fail at some point
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: You could put stupid keyboard in your cexit for extra reliability
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: yeah, you gotta have reliability
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Hey, can never be too careful
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: even if its a "think stupid keyboard" at the end, should work
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Would a "echo stupid keyboard" work?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea i think so
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: now how do i get the mapper to open doors?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: mapper cexit open n;n
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: ooh ooh! mapper cexit open <dir>;<dir>
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: really? cexit for every door?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: really
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: daaang
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: how many can there be, really
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: haha
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: get passdoor wish and you can cut out a bunch of them
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nebmaatre Tech: unless you have perm passdoor wish
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: again wish the wish suggestions
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: honestly I would just make a cexit every time I ran to a door.  Eventually you get them all, or most
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bamboo is agreeing with that Piffaron person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thats true, didnt know about cexit until about 2 days ago
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: mine: Found 734 custom exits.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: Found 1700 custom exits.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: Found 18 custom exits.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: 1530 on mine
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: where is the bast's plug in.. to download?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: does Safari automatically refresh when you go back a page?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: What are some good mushclient plugins to get?  I saw a few aardwolf plugins on the site, but can't see a link to download them
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: I like the chat and map ones, but dont see where i can get them for downloading
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: do you have aardwolf mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They come standard with the AardMUSH client.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: didn't know there was a difference, i just have the regular one
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: should i go install that one?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's a huge difference.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'd recommend it, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: ok, i'm leave regular mush bbiab
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: sweet
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: lovely: A shy deer mouse can be found in the vicinity of Hiding, waiting for the night which - this quest, I gotta WAIT?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: so I can add a cp check plugin as well?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not really a tech question, Dustpuppy, but yes, you have to wait.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dustpuppy nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Iamfriz.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: i am triyng to get the campaign noter to be in the screen, but don't see it
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: how do i get it to appear like these other windows?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: can anyone help me configure a plugin to show up in a window?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: nevermind i found it behind other windows
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: I was wondering why I am not seeing Global Quest info in my Communication log, can someone tell me what I need to configure?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: right click comm log>capture other info>Global Quest
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Anyone around that could possibly help figure out why my Android app is crashing in run mode but not in debug mode?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli becomes an Apple Fanboy and says, "USE IOS! HAHA" :p
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I'm guessing debug mode is like a windows safe mode, in that lots of stuff isn't loaded at startup.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Only clue I'm getting is error message: "Unable to start activity Component Info: Null Pointer Exception".
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: are you the developer of said app, or just trying to use it?
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Developer. The message is coming from LogCat in eclipse.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's probably a much more simple and/or obvious thing, but Zugg once had this issue in CMud where his in-IDE testing and execution of the code produced no errors but the distributed files kept crashing.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it took a lot of back and forth for him just to be able to reproduce the error
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Hoping for simpler.. Currently trying to see which point it crashes.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Alright, figured out the problem.. Now the question, if anyone knows the answer, is: Is there a simple way that I can make code execution wait until after an ASyncTask finishes execution? Problem was that the code (relying on the result of the task) after task.execute() was being run before the task was finished.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: fyi, tried blowtorch 2 test client. Scripting is cool but the client UI seems to be more buggy than either the Aardwolf android app or regular blowtorch.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, it's a test beta...
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: It's actually more like an alpha.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on the page for it, the author admits its more of an alpha
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Author's own words, not mine.. but I would agree.
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I'll add that it could be partly related to my specific hardware. I'm on an older android
T3/r7/2014-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: The biggest issue I had is with deleting/opening buttonsets using the GUI. It might work better when handled by command/scripts.
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: anybody know of a free picture  hosting site that can be used with ebay
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gilduran Tech: Photobucket?
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: is there a way to make aliases and shortcuts without manually going to the little blue window in mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: er shortcuts as in macros
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: i just type alias whatever whatever
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aurelia Tech: thats mudside, id like it to be clientside
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sweetchickx Tech: Could someone who is on blowtorch please tell me what the default encoding is
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: iso-8859-01
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sweetchickx Tech: Thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: lol i lag out mushclient if i put in 70+ healing pots and take them all out using all.heal command
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: whats the best way of finding the month difference between 2 dates in os.time format, also difference in year
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mushclient, lua
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Remarto: O
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, I'm posting you a note.
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: I see M$ is continuing it's campaign of scare tactics against people with Windows XP
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: we are no longer servicing XP, and if you have XP, we will find your mother.
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: in the meantime, does anyone have any experience of encoding issues between Java and Oracle Database?
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: I'd still be using XP if I didn't know someone who's an IT tech for a large corp...he was practically giving away W7 licenses :-/
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll switch to a free linux distro at some point, but will wait until i can afford new ssd's
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: How do i teach/input a speedwalk for the mapper. rt tombs work but xrt tombs don't?
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: there will be a custom exit along the way, type speedwalk tombs and you should see the custom exit
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: ok thanks Zetkax
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: How do you restore a mapper database backup?
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you copy and rename the backupfile I think
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Ah.  Okay.  Lemme see if I can find the original...
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: original is in \mushclient folder
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Which file is the current mapper file that it uses?  o.o
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: aardwolf.db
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Oh, there it is.  Thanks!  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Yay!  Thank goodness for automatic backups
T3/r7/2014-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Thanks for the help.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: hey all!! does anybody have an inventory window plugin i may use?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: check  bast's plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: which one
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: eqDB?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: where might i find bast's plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brun Tech: disgusting, but has to be done... :p
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i loaded miniwin_eq but i don't see any window..
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Anyone know of a way to fix S&D showing certain rooms as Unknown, when mapper has them mapped?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I forget, how does a cmud user make a trigger that fires from the GMCP data directly?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: there is a dropdown menu in the trigger wizard that will tell you what type of trigger it is
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: make trigger, click on the Advanced Options panel (there's a button that will either say MORE or LESS down towards the bottom of the Edit window) and change the type to GMCP trigger.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Cool
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: erfg
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: And then assign the variables to the gmcp values normally?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if you aren't already aware, your trigger pattern will only be the gmcp class (char, room, etc) and the top-level module if you wish to limit further (ie, you could do room.info but not room.info.name)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I know nothing of gmcp triggers :)  Had already build my set of text triggers, so never botherered
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: but am redoing those now :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: another tip: don't print/say/show/echo anything in a gmcp trigger.  It won't always work correctly due to how gmcp and the display buffer are handled.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: that would be things like the status panel etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, status bar/window are handled separately.  I'm referring to #SAY, #PRINT, #ECHO, or #SHOW for stuff you want to print to the main window.  GMCP is never displayed, so cmud has to figure out where to insert your printed message.  Could be in the middle of a large block of text or misplaced in some other fashion.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: printing to other windows, too, is still cool, since GMCP won't exist there.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: cool, thanks :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling fluffles Hanslanda's fur mercilessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: What is the syntax if i want an alias to execute on "yurg..."  even if i spell out yurgach, it does the alias for yurg.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: your alias for yurg is matching too liberally
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: What do u mean?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: an end of line anchor is needed.. it's probably a $
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I think he's asking how to make it liberal
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSHclient alias is anchored by default
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yoshi Tech: yurg*?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: if you have two aliases, one yurg and one yurgach
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: you need to anchor ^yurg$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he doesn't want to anchor
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: he said yurg is firing when he does yurgacg
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: I want my alias to execute despite if i right yurgach or yurg.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, he wants it to
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's asking how to make it behave the way you thought it already does
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ohh yes I see
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I don't know what mushclient is or how it works, but basically, you want an alias called yurg that matches beginning of line
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: You can make a second alias "yurgach" which sends its output to execute, and is just "yurg"
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: That would work too, yurg is just an example of many.  I'm trying to avoid making my alias list so long.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSHclient is the program that half of all Aard players are using to connect...it uses glob matching by default, which is fully-anchored without needing anchor characters, although you can use regex on a trigger/alias basis
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: What you are asking would require regular expressions, and you would need them to be rather complicated.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: I use Mush.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I see. I'm not sure why you would want a longer version of an alias you already have.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he only wants one alias, but he wants it to be called if he types something in longer (or shorter, I guess)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't need regex
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what you first suggested works...make the alias yurg*
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: But he said he didn't want to do that.  In that case, you'd need regex.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: where did he say he doesn't want to do that?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ^yurg\w+$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: He said he's trying to minimize the number of aliases he has.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: wouldn't the trouble with yurg* be that it'd match on multiple words after the yurg part?  like if he were, say, talking about the area on a channel?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yurg* does that
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ^(?<cmd>yurg|yurgach)  with reg exp checkmarked.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it wouldn't impact talking on channels at all, no
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: because the ^ anchors to beginning of line
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: y'all are way overcomplicating it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: it wouldn't match in the middle of a line, say in channels
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: Problem with yurg* is that it matches ANYTHING with yurg as the first four characters.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not a problem
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: it could be
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in this case it wouldn't, other than the rare typo
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: also, I would avoid * when you can
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iff: you don't even know what pattern matching is :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: "yurgquaff heal" would match.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: huh?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: I didn't see the beginning of this and what he was trying to accomplish, but if you do yurg * with a space before the wildcard, it will match only "yurg" by itself and not "yurgasodaisdjf".
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Abelinc: what?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Well, yurg followed by something else.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, that's the exact opposite of the intended goal, vaerion
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: He doesn't want the space
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Oh.  Okay.  :D
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: What was he trying to do?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yurg*
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: be able to type yurg or yurga or yurgac or yurgach
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he wants to use one alias name (yurg*) to execute on many variations of that name (yurg, yurgach, etc)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: Ah.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ^(?<cmd>yurg|other|othervartiation|another|yurgach)  with reg exp checkmarked.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can get fancy with {#,#} regex, but it's overcomplicating the situation for 99% of use
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: abelinc: what makes you say that?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and no reason at all to use ?<cmd>
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what makes me say that is that it's the truth
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: Heck, lets just bust out a full-fledged parser.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: abelinc: I meant your comment about me and pattern matching.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: experience...you're 1-dimensional :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: hmmm
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the regex may be preferable, since there potentially could be area-specific aliases with similar naming conventions that do something other than running to the area.  Probably not in this case, sure, but still a better idea to go as specific as possible.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for someone who understands what he's doing
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i think just matching "yurg" is enough :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ^yurg?a?c?h?    with regexp checkmarked.  no cmd.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I think you have no idea what you're talking about, Abelinc :D
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, yurh would work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you would think that...then again, you also believe that you should avoid using *
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: you should
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: horrible advice
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: not really
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and goes to show lack of understanding of what * is
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: learning to write a proper pattern is better than using * all the time
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: who said anything about all the time?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza hides his face in his palm after seeing what Iff did.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: if you show people that, and don't explain real patterns, they will use it all the time
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: ^jenny.*$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: personally, I use express character classes and avoid implementation-specific things like \w
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: ^jenny *$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You raise your eyebrow at Zetkax.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so that'd match "jenny" and "jenny      " ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i would normally use ^jenny$ but ^jenny *$ is ok if you hit space by accident
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you hit space by accident, no need for the *
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yes there is if you use $
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want to allow optional space, then use +
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lol perfect example
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the * wouldn't really be there just for that, I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: terrible use of *
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: may have a reason to go to a specific part, which would obviously be another word.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you need to use * to allow just "jenny" to work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ^jenny\s?(\w+)?$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: actually, you don't needc to capture the word in this situation I think, but yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to just allow the optional space, ^jenny ?$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why the +, Abe?  I thought that was the "1 or more" thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, meant ? not +
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: they could hit space twice or more
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 0 or 1
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, heckuva accidental typo to build into your alias
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: my pattern will match zero to many spaces
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I think the best option would be to match all, then have a pop after every command saying "Did you mean yurg?" Yes/No.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I know, that's why I commented on it matching "jenny      " after you posted it
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: which is the intent of the example i gave
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: so will \s+?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: stupid example :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: as i said, i would normally trigger off ^jenny$ but could understand someone wanting to match accident whitespace following jenny
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: there are so many ways you could do that
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: none of them involve an '*'
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: iff your way seems complicated but would work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's no benefit to "\s+?" over " *"
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I would just match on everything myself and do the optional-argument stuff later.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other than "I think I know what I'm doing and some guy once told me to avoid *"
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: that's debatable
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it's not
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not *successfully* debatable
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: " *" won't match vertical tabs!
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ok lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: lol true eriks
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: sometimes it's nice to have the runto go to where I want it to rather than merely to the start of the area.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: particularly not by anyone who actually understands pattern matching ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: (even leaving aside the matter that "s+" and " *" have different repetition count minima, so they're not really interchangeable   :p)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: Hey Abelinc, i'm setting up your autoquaff script and I can't get the option 'autoquaff bag portals' and 'autoquaff potion angels' to work. the other settings 'autoquaff on/count/percent' work fine
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: any advice?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: btw, iff: "^jenny\s+?$" wouldn't match "jenny"...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, that's erik's comment
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yeah needs a grouping on the \s
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: it's really difficult to write patterns on a phone
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it's especially difficult to write patterns when you don't understand *
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: versus anything else involving the alphanumeric character set? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: the regular letters of the alphabet all have their own keys
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: this is not obvious?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: been a long time since i've seen a phone with keys
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you must have the dainty girl-child fingers.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Constructions like "(\s+)?" are just extra-numb, when you could just "\s*".  You don't even get to argue "my system only supports basic regexes, not POSIX extended, since basic lacks +, not *.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: even if I take pains to keep my thumbs tipped completely upright to minimize surface contact, I still have a lot of hamfisted typos.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yea gotta handle that vertical whitespace :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: if you're going to use * for everything, why not just have a single alias that looks up keywords in a lua table and returns the appropriate command
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'd have more faith in programmers choosing reasonable bounds to stop supporting less common cases, if a third or more of web forms didn't throw fits about + in an email address  :p
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: the goal was to cut down on total aliases, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ^ that, Erikson.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: Someone still remembers the goal in this conversation>
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Neryx Tech: -> +?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Goal?  I thought this was tech...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: asterisk has its place also
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: this got boring
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: somthing about yurgach.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yeah, his question was how to reduce aliases but have more matching options
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: how about raganatitu
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: use a table, mushclient supports Lua
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: best answer imo: variations on ^(yurg|yurga|yurgat|yurgatc|yurgatch) *$
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no "t"
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: yurgach
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: Does anyone know which plugin handles invmon? i keep getting this error "Trigger function "invmon" not found or had a previous error."
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: bast
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: crap, i have like all his plugins installed
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when in doubt, quit and restart MUSHclient...that reloads all plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'd be his inventory ones...like eqdb
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: thanks Abelinc, i'll try to debug it :(
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: probably doesn't need a debug...somethings things just crash and it's one-off
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sometimes*
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: ok i'll quit and reload. thanks again
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: does basts plugins have xrt or equivalent?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: hm. "windows cant stop your... cause some program is using it". windows cant tell what program is using it?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that's windows for you
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check for an A/V scan
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: what is it that can't be stopped?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: thumb drive?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: would never happen with apple
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza laughs out loud at Pleiades.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: perpetually running perfect apps
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: hdd
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: external
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: a/v does nothing. dunno
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: then any number of things.  windows oculd be indexing it, you could have just 1 file open in some program (excel, word, notepad, wordpad, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: nah. nothing. just a bug
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: cool, they're developing a bot for improved pacman performance.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i doubt its a bug in this case, *something* is locking it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if you open up task manager->performance->resource monitor->disk->diskactivity, sort by file, you'll be able to see anything actively using the drive
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or download an lsof tool
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: get http://unlocker.emptyloop.com 
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: does mushclient have a plugin for a mp3 player?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: what should it do? play different tracks depending on area?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: show playlists in miniwin?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: pretty much or changing tracks/albums without leavign mushchient
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's winamp plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: kk thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: marvel at my latest project...  http://fiendish.github.io/The-Debian-Gotham-Needs/
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: which version of debian?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: cd-including-firmware/current/amd64
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: or just install the firmware seperately
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because the world needs another linux distro
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's not another distro
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and installing the firmware separately is A) not the right answer if you need to install over wifi, and B) a stupid expectation
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I tried to cat it to /dev/sdx but it didn't work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: then debian is not right for you
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ah, don't take it so hard.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fluffle The Jerk Fiendish mercilessly, making his fur a terrible mess.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well, it sort of is a stupid expectation if you're using Debian. They're EXTREMELY anal about that stuff.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what firmware is it including?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: stuff like broadcom wifi stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: slackware is the answer
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cuz "the firmware" doesn't really mean anything, without referencing some particular piece of hardware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Slackware hasn't been the answer for years
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "firmware" is a debian package
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd say that arch is the answer if they didn't have stupid ideas about userland
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: who would be such a moron that they'd call it that?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's not an official package, because nonfree firmware can't be distributed officially
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's something you have to inject into your install before you install
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for stuff like wifi to work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seriously, they obviously have no idea what firmware actually is...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I'd find it hard to trust any OS which can't get that concept
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: some devices load firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you find it hard to trust debian?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: firmware is the correct word
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: I mean, I can see some uses for that.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's a binary blob required to run the device, isn't it?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a binary blob required to run the device would be a driver
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: Firmware is held in non-volatile memory devices such as ROM, EPROM, or flash memory.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suppose you might call it a driver that sits below the driver
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I agree, Abelinc
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: [Melvin]: firmware (noun) : Computer programming instructions that are stored in a read-only memory unit rather than being implemented through software.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in other words, the correct term here is NOT firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but rather drivers
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eh
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and just "firmware" doesn't exist without specifying WHAT device
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Broadcom disagrees with you
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: besides, plenty of ROM is flashable
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the operative process here is that the code is running on the chip and not at the cpu level
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, lots of things can flash firmware...but an OS doesn't need to load firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the firmware is loaded on the device at some point, and remains resident on the device unless and until replaced by other firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "Historically, firmware were built-into the device's ROM or Flash memory, but more and more often, the firmware has to be loaded into the device by the driver during the device initialization."
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that firmware exists whether or not that device is in machine A or machine B
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, forgive me if I don't go by the wiki run by the guys that don't understand the term :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cuddlez Tech: Anyone familiar with git, or even more conveniently, Egit in Eclipse? I keep having issues pulling because of automatically generated files in an android project.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: softmodems are an interesting breed which do blur those lines, though
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but again, even if we both used the term firmware the same encompassing some combination of both drivers and historical firmware, a package called "firmware" is still simply wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: firmware is rarely loaded by the drivers at boot/runtime.  that would be hugely dangerous and insecure
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's not dangerous or insecure if you sign it
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Intel does that all the damn time
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Intel microcode soft updates are applied by the kernel at boot
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yea, every time you reboot some firmware usually loaded
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "having problems" is rarely a solvable question
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hey guyz, what do I type to use the dd-wrt firmware...I have firmware installed
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: what do you mean "to use"?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you can access it through a web paeg
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what web page?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: just port 80 of the device ip
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: see, e.g. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg00126.html
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Devices don't have IP addresses, interfaces do
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wat device? it's not wrt
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: your mom has an ip address
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (and please understand that my question was quite rhetorical)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: YOUR mom has a broadcast address
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in any case. I think it's pretty clear that the difference between firmware and a driver is that a driver is software that runs on the host machine and firmware is software that runs on the device
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the impermanence of the software on the device is irrelevant
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: devices get firmware updates all the time
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: ^ fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: seems like a workable definition
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: devices is a rather broad term
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: iphones/android/etc yes, this makes sense
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: your raid controller, less often so and usually only when you really really need to
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: See, I read that as "your raid controller...actually, yeah, sometimes."
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but only when you want to do it, as in, a bug was discovered and we want to run a tool to install new firmware to fix it
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: not, my OS just booted, time to install new firmware on the controller
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The software is running in the peripheral, why does the timing of it being loaded important?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And who taught me english? Jeez.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because I don't want my OS to install firmware updates on mission critical items without asking first.  Firmware is something you only update as a last ditch effort because it WILL introduce new bugs
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: We're talking about two different kinds of software, I think
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The 'firmware' Fiendish is talking about is loaded at boot because it is required for operation of the device, and not present in the device at power on
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: then its not firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: firmware is pre-written to flash before the product is sent out
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: incorrect
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and completely arbitrary
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: well, i can't say i've ever used a product in either the enterprise market or the consumer market where once the /drivers/ were installed it didn't work
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "The microcode data file contains the latest microcode definitions for all Intel processors. Intel releases microcode updates to correct processor behavior as documented in the respective processor specification updates. While the regular approach to getting this microcode update is via a BIOS upgrade, Intel realizes that this can be an administrative hassle. The Linux Operating System and VMware ESX products have a mechanism to update the microcode after booting." -- from the Intel download page for "Linux* Processor Microcode Data File"
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How do you know those drivers aren't loading a blob into the device?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because then you introduce the ability to install rootkits
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've always been able to runtime-hack firmware, that doesn't change what firmware is
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nor how it's intended to behave...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read what you posted, Fiendish...it agrees with Wyza
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define your target intendor
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: So basically we don't have anything technical to argue, we're just hung up on semantics?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it says that the normal way to do it is via being flashed, but Linux isn't bothering to do that
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a hack
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Wyza is complaining that the world doesn't work the way he thinks it should
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: isn't that what this channel is for Metra?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: as are you
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, he's describing what firmware is
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: firmware is code running on the device. when that code gets put there is irrelevant
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and the world does work the way I think it should (on this topic)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: off topic, but i love their reasoning that it is an "administrative hassle".  half the reason things are insecure is because security is a hassle :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: firmware is what tells the device how to be the device...it exists on the device regardless of the OS in question
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: rebooting is more of a problem than security is
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the only thing the OS needs to work with the device is a driver
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: now you're just complaining that broadcom delivers incomplete devices. welcome to the 21st century
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, all of my broadcom devices work fine without my OS caring about their firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.broadcom.com/docs/SiByte/README-1.4.2.txt
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: incorrect
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: impossible
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Abelinc is never incorrect.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: incorrect
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: he admitted two mistakes today
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I did admit 2 mistakes today, yup
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: in my timezone it was today
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this isn't a third, and that readme doesn't disagree with me...
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and yet, with a broadcom device (or many other network cards) you can load an OS over the network...well how could it possibly do that if it couldn't perform its basic functionality of accessing the network?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: the debian website disagrees with you
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the debian website is wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: news 5, a website disagrees with a standard interpretation of <something>
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i believe the debian website is correct and you are wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: the debian website is -usually- correct
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course you do, but you even have trouble reading helpfiles :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: abe's never wrong :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Everyone is wrong sometimes, nobody is infalliable.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: not abe
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: This is your turn to be wrong, apparently :D
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I never claimed I was right ;)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Anyway, I'm sorry you don't like what broadcom is doing with their wireless chips. I don't either.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: what does it mean (in cmud) if numbers in my status window are getting cut off?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what status window?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Just the usual one
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suppose it could mean you need to resize the status window or change the font it uses
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It means your status window isn't big enough or your numbers aren't small enough.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: get a bigger screen
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and a bigger boat
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: size matters *nodself*
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Iff laughs at what Dolt said.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm fine with broadcom making an abstract firmware which works on multiple versions of their chips...nothing wrong with that at all :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Get a bigger computer screen!
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you mean an abstract bootloader which requires the feeding of more firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but anything you want to say is fine
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: bootloader != firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nearly everything has a bootloader which loads additional firmware
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in this case the additional firmware is loaded via the driver that first interfaces only with the bootloader
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the only questions are where those may reside
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: may or do?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: ..what? bootloaders usually load an OS
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define OS
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: still say that it can't possibly need more firmware to function at its basic level if it has the ability to connect to a dhcp server, look for network boot servers, and begins the load process without ever getting into an OS
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: may...it's usually a bad design decision, but they do have options
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: resizing does not help.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Font was fine before.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: How many people does it take to load fireware?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: depends on if they're gay or jewish
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Starling: post a screenshot
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: 10 if they are all coders.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If they're coders, that's binary and only 2 in decimal?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: huh.  Changing font size and changing it back fixed it.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: probably a render glitch in cmud ui code, not your script then
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: silly Zugg bugs
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: switch to tinyfugue
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hellz no!
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: mudlet|mushclient > fugue > all others - t/f?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: do people use mudlet?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, mudlet needs to be waaaaay on the right-hand side of that list
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Clients are useful by the person.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: reasoning?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Mudlet has no support.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I keep hoping someone will replace all of my mushclient plugins in browser javascript
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no support, for starters
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's lacking. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: no support? like, technical support?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Define 'support' - does community count, or does it have to be the author?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It is not even being developed anymore I thought.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Neither is cmud
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you want to do something in Mudlet on Aard, be prepared to do all of the work yourself without asking questions here
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: aardwolf has almost no mudlet community as far as I know
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: their forum's appear to be quite active in the 'help and support' section
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 6 people on Mudlet right now.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Hell, I would argue tinyfugue isn't being developed either
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there was a decent aard plugin pack for Mudlet back in like 2008, then nothing
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MAG could have been useful
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: and it appears to be more actively developed than any client except perhaps mush
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tinyfugue still has an active community, though
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: whats the latest TF version?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's very hit-and-miss, iff...Mudlet had no updates for like 3 years
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's been out there for a while, hasn't it?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I've got 5.0 beta 8, IDK if it's most recent or not
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, but there have been lots of unofficial updates to tf
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: not according to 'API requests' and 'mudlet development'
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, but that way lies madness. (See also: qmail)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: seems they get updates pretty regularly
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iff: according to any updates whatsoever to the project
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it JUST came back alive
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it was totally dead
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I don't think so
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: their forum post dates and commits to git all seem pretty consistent
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: do other clients have at least as advanced but fairly easy to understand script language as cmud?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: lua I'm sure but realize it's a miracle I can do zscript at all.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: lua?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: mush and mudlet both have built in Lua support
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the language is irrelevant
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the API is what matters
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: And the presence or lack of built-ins
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MUSHclient's lack of a standard library for miniwindows is a real sore point for me
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: mudlet's api looks.. extensive.. can't vouch for mush, haven't looked at it yet
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i do find some of lua language constructs annoying, like no switch statement, no continue in a loop
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: the continuous is this variable a string or a number
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: switch is syntactic sugar, and continue is stupid
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: agreed
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: they are useful but each to their own
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: if elseif works like switch
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: continue.. break|return?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: syntactic sugar can be useful for making a program more raadable.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't think switch/case makes anything more readable
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Comment your code, problem solved
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: comments are for suckers
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: lol - really?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Call me a sucker then, I hate coming back to code I wrote years ago and going WTF was I doing
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: comment flow, not code
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, Fiendish has plenty of comments in his scripts :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm a shitty commenter
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: enough for me to understand, anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: there is very little to dislike about lua imo
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd probably never have made a miniwin plugin without being able to steal (and understand what I stole) from yours
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: btw, what ever happened to that abstract "make a miniwin" plugin that you had the contest for?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Does lua have a GOTO statement? It needs GOTO.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: istr someone "got the prize", but don't think a product ever came out
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: use functions instead of goto's
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: Uh oh.  Metria is trying to troll.  L(
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lol metria
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: metria's almost always trying to troll :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but metria's trolls are the good kind...(to see other kind, do some searches in my logs for Zade)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: btw, return func() works pretty much like a goto
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://lua-users.org/wiki/GotoStatement
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I try not to troll so much as to get laughs. Pity laughs still count.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: proper tail calls and what not
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, that's why they're the good kind
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: OK.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I made a tail call at the bar the other night, if ya know what I mean
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: tldr: yes lua has goto support
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, kinda surprised they submitted to the pressure to add goto
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: lua 5.1 is superior
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: what a dumb decision
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Even the linux kernel uses goto
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: goto is extremely useful for state machines
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's not a bad statement to have, if you're careful in how you use it.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yes, I agree
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: goto 200
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: unfortunately, it is often abused
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but how do I get the turtle to rotate 90 degrees?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZhouLi Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: it's kind of like the '*' in regexp
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: goto 90
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Turtle! Goto 90!
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, too bad we were talking about a * in a glob :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I was absurdly amused when I found out the ComputerCraft mod for Minecraft adds turtles, which are programmable robots. (And yes, you code for them using Lua)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: dont forget to put the pen down
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: also, state machines are easily (and efficiently) implementable in Lua already with tail calls
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: Metria: do you minecraft?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I do.. Currently FTB Unleashed
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: I might start. I coded for a group  for a while but never really started playing
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I found vanilla kind of dull, bukkit was better, and FTB has all the stuff you could ever want. I'm having a ball automating the hell out of all the machinery.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: yeah we were using bukkit as well
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: gonna have to google ftb now
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Here, I'll save you the time: http://www.feed-the-beast.com
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: boom!
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you should program mushclient instead
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I should?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes please
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but next time pull request on devel instead of the release branch
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Okays.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know I made it more difficult by making the master branch release instead of devel
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Well it's more a fact of my unfamiliarity with git
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but that's so people land on release by default
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: you guys develop mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: why not?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the Aard plugins for MUSH
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I make the Aardwolf package
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: gotcha
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: with few and far between contributions from other players like Metria
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'd contribute more if I could figure out something I want it to do that it doesn't already do. The damn thing Just Works(tm)
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: heh, can't fix what isn't broken
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's broken in at least a dozen ways
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: had someone the other day that I walked through swapping hunger for saves in the stats plugin...I should prolly submit a feature request to get hunger/thirst in that
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can give you lists of things that need to be done if you want
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: are saves not useful?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: They weren't to this particular guy, I guess
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: my saves are 0 :(
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: sure.. I wouldn't mind doing a little tinkering
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help newsaves...they're being phased out
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: maybe I'll learn something about Aard in the process
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: someone should do recovery/delay timer graphical plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the most important thing I can think of right now is that sizing of certain visual elements is not sufficiently resolution independent
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: true dat, Fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so a 4k display is probably really hard to use
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's a non-trivial problem, want to send me a 4k display to try?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: heh
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nontrivial, but not that hard
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how many resolution ranges do you look for currently?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: conceptually, it just means going into plugins that define specific pixel heights, that are not based on for example font sizes that can be changed by the user, and turning them into percentages
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: none
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pixel density in laptops doesn't depend on size until Retina
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, I thought yours had a small/medium/large defaults...I must just be thinking of MUSH itself with the resources file
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's a different problem
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: right now I'm just talking about density
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: layout default is another issue
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: related
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 72dpi 4eva
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: What is the Add-on in Firefox that allows you to look in the Aardwolf.db?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sqlite explorer or something like that
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: SQLite Manager.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: PPI does not stand for points per inch
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Digitalis Tech: I use sqlite database browser, small standalone program
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and MUSHclient doesn't render postscript
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure the importance of either of those statements, but sure :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have the Add-On, but I cannot get it to open Aardwolf.db
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I wouldn't have it open a live database
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: i.e. not while MUSHclient is using it
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: This is a closed one.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't file -> open the db file, check the tools menu for sqlite manager
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Out of curiosity, what is it you need to do to the DB by hand?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://code.google.com/p/sqlite-manager/wiki/FAQ#I_have_installed_SQLite_Manager,_but_I_cannot_find_how_to_start
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: prolly just searching for rooms by criteria other than mapper find's, that's what I'd do with it
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: hmmm... the text in my main window is wrapped around the first 25% horizontal of the screen
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: not sure how I managed to do that :P
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try typing resetmain
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure if that impacts wrapping though
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's odd
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: at least, this is new for me
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: there's wrapping options in the output options (alt+5), down the bottom it specifies which column to wrap on
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You nod at Dolt.
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and what does that correspond to on os x?
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: game -> configure -> output...alt is opt
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: game menu>configure>output for a non shortcut way
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: restarted client
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: fixed now
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: h
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bow before Thoraxis Tech: i
T3/r7/2014-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: j
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: is there a way to display what trigger or alias is doing a certain thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: in cmud that is?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: have one that is spamming but for the life of me can't figure out which
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: disable all of them?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Digitalis Tech: try echocommand
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do you know what is being spammed?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you should be able to just search your triggers for that phrase
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: it's the number 3
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: that is it, just "3"
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok maybe not
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: NO idea why, was fine a minute ago
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google says turn on something called show triggers
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: if given a choice between being a professional programmer and shooting self in the head, I would shoot self
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: guh I am such a retard
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: turns out I had a random extra character in the trigger text
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: You found the problem!
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: We all make little mistakes like that
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: seriously, right?  What a dumb thing to do :P
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: not THAT dumb, actually
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's why i prefer mush's scripting system to z/cmud
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: when you screw up it doesn't go crazy and just gives you an error + line number
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: same
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That would be nice :P
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there a way to set the level range of an area? is that mapper or S&D?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: the map extender pulls it in from what's listed on the area itself, i dont think you can change it
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: "what's listed on the area itself"? Why are Tir na nOg/wooble/autumn listed as 0-300? 
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: where does the info come from?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: hm, i havent seen any showing from 0-300, i mean like 'area tirna' and it shows it's 130-150.. It checks the whole 'areas' command at login to populate it, I think anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh. i get it. Whenever I log in, an area reload happens. How do I force a reload?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: not sure of a command for it, relog? :)
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: areas i think
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: whenever I start MUSHclient and log in, I see the trg_page_size think appear, followed by the "pagesize 30" command being sent.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: trouble is, the list of areas appears, and the "pagesize 30" command cuts off the paging of the list of areas
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: try pagesize 0 then relog
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i did a quick fix by turning paging off, but I'm wondering about the "areas" command being sent too soon after the "pagesize" command is sent
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wait. i mean
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: the pagesize command is sent AFTER the areas command. wrong order
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: its sent after because i think your setting for page size is 30 - it turns it off to get all the areas and the puts it back to 30 which is your setting
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: are you using winklewinkles plugin or bast?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: erm... S&D is winke's i guess
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: nod, my s&d does the same but i got tired of paging and just turned it off, didnt reset pagesize most of the time anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there a bast alternative to s&d?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: never had any luck getting basts plugin to work for me, just seems to get in the way
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how do i use invdata to find out the id on an item
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: when i can't figure out its keyword
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: just type invdata, you should see your item and its item id
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: hmm, maybe a lugin is blocking it, invdata returns nothing
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: you have some bast plugins turned on?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ah got it
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: xeqDB gagged the invdata output
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: are spellup scripts illegal?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: also, im using MUSHclient and was wondering how to add/make my own script
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's wrong with spellup command?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: nothing, just wondering
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the majority of scripts on my site (including both spellup scripts) won't work with MUSHclient, as I use a different MUD client. Just the very bottom of my scripts page is for MUSHclient
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: thanks Abe, much appreciated.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for a great starting point for what to add after the aard MUSHclient package, go to http://code.google.com/p/bastmush
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: click the wiki of that page and browse the plugins that Bast has
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as for writing your own scripts, for little stuff like aliases or standalone triggers, just go to the game -> configuration menu...for more elaborate stuff, I'd suggest starting by opening up a plugin in a text editor which does kind of what you want already, and modifying that
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: got this just now trying to use bast's spellup [WARNING] C:\Users\Owner\Downloads\Aardwolf-Mud-MUSHclientr1723\worlds\plugins\bastmush-release\Bast\update_checker.xml
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: is there any way to get the mushclient to autosize on a 22" screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rigluk: put the Bast folder directly into the Plugins folder, you can get rid of the bastmush-release folder that contains it
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rigluk Tech: i got it working, thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dustpuppy: the client doesn't know how big you want each thing to be, so no, it doesn't currently have the capability to autosize for your screen
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ok...here's the situation.  friend's internet cuts out all the time on his ps3 and we can't figure out why.  but always works fine on his phone.  is there a way to tether his phone to the ps3?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But you really don't want to.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i feel bad about it because his roommate controls the accounts and doesn't want to help him. 
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You can (assuming it is a capable enough phone, and the wireless carrier permits it) Set the phone up as a wireless hotspot and connect to it with the PS3 over wifi. But, see Etzlis answer for my opinion
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'd look into the reason the PS3 keeps cutting out.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: if it was tethered is that gonna eat up a ton of his data plan?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Very much so.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ack, was afraid of that.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, and it'll be slower than anything
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ha well thats not a good solution then.  just scrambling trying to figure out how to get him stable.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I think the updates and download would be the worst - I don't think the actual game play would require quite as much bandwidth. But, I could be wrong. Either way, it would get pricy on a metered connection
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: can't have that...well thanks for that info.  not sure how to troubleshoot the ps3 as I never owned one...
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can check the router configuration to make sure it's set up for a PS3, or you can use a wired connection.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have him buy a long patch cable and wire the PS3 into the home router
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ooh that will work
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: If already using a wired cable, try a new cable. Try plugging directly in to the modem as well, if its a seperate modem / router
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: will do :o  i'm itching to try this out, it's been a problem for the better part of a year
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Would eliminate the router as a potential problem spot. But, Wired > Wireless. 
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ok first I will try to the router, and if that fails will try direct to the modem
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: yay! I got a Sunday project :)
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: lol. Hopefully its a short project, with fruitful results.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: It might be happening on the phone, too, just that intermittent drops would probably be a lot less noticable
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but yeah, I'd try wired
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: you guys are the best :o  hopefully we will be able to watch some netflix later !
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I watch Netflix on my Kindle. :p My ps3 burnt out.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: When creating a trigger with sound, do I need to specify a sound file to be played? or is there some kind of default beep or something.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: specify a sound file
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: if you're on windows, c:\Windows\Media has lots
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: anyone know a good website tutorial for mushclient, on how to make plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: click help>forum
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: MUSHclient questions answered here
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Can you use MUSHClient to make toast?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: No question - but man I wish mini-windows were easier!
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes, probably
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: why does my aardwolf chat miniwindow plugin keep crashing?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: .. Is it against MUSHClients Tos to use it to engage in thermonuclear warfare?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I'd like to see socials in the communication log.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: finger mendaloth and go to his site for socials in the communication log
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: there is a script there.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Kinjin: type 'checkversion'
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: That works for rsocials...
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: r1723
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i find some operations using SQL are slow, i try to delete all records from a table and the insert about 300 items into the table - is there something i should look for?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: ill give you some timings
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Use one big committ instead of all 300 as individual statements.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: kinjin: "keep crashing" is not enough information. I need a record of the message you get when it does
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i dont use commit statement at all
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Also use a SSD, I used to have the same problem until I got one of those.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: zet: do you mean from within MUSHclient, or is this a new thread?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: i'll check when it crashes again
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: inside mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how slow is slow
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: 349 records takes 30 seconds, do i need to put a begin/commit around it all?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: ?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=8985
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: k, ill try it now
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: yea, its virtually instant now, thanks :)
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kasianna Tech: I was looking at the GCMPhandler plugin for Aard mushclient and I noticed this line, "<description trim="y">". Can anyone tell me what the trim="y" means? I can't find any documentation that explains its purpose.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Trim spaces.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So instead of "1234 ", it returns "1234"
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or at least, that's my guess on what trim is. It's typically that way.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kasianna Tech: ok. That makes sense.
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: is the standard terminal client on os x good or are there more preferred ones?
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's fine
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i use it every day... suits my needs
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: erry day I'm tunneling....
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: is it possible to change mapper addnote's colors from blue to something else?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: has anyone got the full list of type tags that come from invdetails?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Are you talking about help invdata?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or the 'help typetags' it refers you to?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: (Though it doesn't exist)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, help typetags isn't very helpful ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, it exists, but without helpful info.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it exists, just not useful
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Anaristos Tech: take the act on the road :)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: thats why im looking for a list of them :P
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and i do mean invdetails
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: What are you looking for... things like {statmod}?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's looking for what's supposed to be in help typetags
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: think thats it, the ones that come from tempers and envenoms
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the 3rd field in invheader
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I wasn't sure if you were meaning the list of "types", or something else. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: but yeah, so, don't think there's an actual list out.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: o well, worth asking
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd ask Bast
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Anybody here use windows 7 ultimate?:p
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: Yes...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: anyone that can help me figure out why this may be happening attempt to call global 'serialize' (a table value) keep getting this runtime error when i try to serialize save my tables
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: nvm fixed
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Society of Utopia Tech: In Bast spellup plugin - I have this with levitation that even though I enable it, it seems to not stay enabled.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how do I check all the cexits in a particular area?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: mapper cexits umari
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ah thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what sort of cexits do you have in umari, i have none because I only go there when dragged
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: what was the command to restore the miniwindows to their original position in mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: i think resetaard
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mob picks is how you win lvl 1's
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: miss
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: invdetails type tags: look in the "layout" table of https://github.com/endavis/bastmush/blob/release/Bast/eqDB.xml
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Utopia: spells are disabled automatically when you already have the affect, so if levitation is being disabled, it probably means you had fly cast on you
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: I'm trying to use Bast statmonitor. I've loaded all the broadcast plugins as well. How do I see whatever it's capturing?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Is there a mini-win statmn or something along those lines loaded?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you can load my miniwin_stats plugin, which will have tabs for anything that is captured
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wait... im actually looking for a combat tracker... i can't find a miniwin for it
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: That has it...but it won't show until you kill some stuff and level.  When you first install won't have all the tabs AFAIK.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: there isn't one, it will show the stats after you kill a mob provided you have autosac on
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: provided you have autosac on. what if im blind?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: don't know, probably never tested that particular scenario
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: minor flaw i guess
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: spells that temporarily modify items: bless weapon, envenom, temper - Is there anything else?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: So... is there any way Aard can get past a firewall?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Port 23 doesnt work...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: port 4000
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what are you using to get there?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: 4000.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezkai Tech: I use port 4444
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezkai Tech: through bbssh
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok, I'm using 7777...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I tried 23, got the same result. Lemme try those two...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: isn't 23 ftp?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you read help ip, you'll see what ports you can connect to... 23 is one of them, Swangin.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iamfriz Tech: 21 is ftp
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But 23 should allow telnet users blocked behind firewalls...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Ah X3
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok... um.. none of those helped I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: maybe you need tunneling or stuff like than, all easily aviable online
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Where are you at that is preventing you from accessing Aardwolf?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: You know those four lines of text you get before the aard login picture/page loads? I get three and the fourth wont appear.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: My college... I'm on blowtorch, on my phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then you're connected to Aardwolf.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't think that's a firewall issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: they
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: they are blocking it.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I'm using my phones data. I'd like to know how to use wifi.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: She's been able to get on it before, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can connect to a hotspot through your wireless settings, if your phone allows wireless.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Try pinging aardmud.org from your wifi terminal, post results.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: No I havent connected before. But it seems its blocked all of these kinds of connections...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Um... I have no clue what Swangin said. O.o
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: pretty sure she needs tunneling.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: He's thinking PC, not phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Etzli, I'm trying to avoid doing that.. Yeah, I'm on my phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: can ping from a phone too. is google app store blocked?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: OHHHH yeah I'm not gonna be much help for phones
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Fiain: If you're trying to avoid connecting to wifi, then why say you'd like to know how?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I'm not trying to avoid connecting to wifi, I'm trying to connect to school wifi.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Make up your mind... "I'm trying to avoid doing that" when I told you how... :p
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: erm what. When in school, the only wifi she can connect to, is one that blocks aardwolf
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok. You suggested I use my phone as a hotspot.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I'm trying to avoid using data.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No, I said you can connect to a hotspot.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If your phone supports wireless.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what is the hotspot gonna come from?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or access point.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fi-Bot Fiain nods at Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hotspots - McDonalds, Comcast customers, etc. ;)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: you assumed that she can get out of school
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I'm at school, those arent options.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Waiting until class.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: there's a Google Play Store called Tor. You can try that.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: what's an onion router
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok, so dl that.. Is it free? then what? 
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: well you'll need to "root your phone" to be able to used blowtorch on your phone to aardwolf, but since you don't know what "pinging" is, I'm going to assume you don't have the technical knowledge to root phones (which i don't know who to do either)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Yeah, I dont know that either.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: but with minimal tech knowledge, tor app on android will allow you to visit otherwise blocked websites. just in case
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: using the tor browser.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, there's no reason to root a phone to use blowtorch...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli peers intently at Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok.. I'll check it out the Tor thing... I'll be right back.. gotta disconnect from data to test anything.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: the rooting is to let blowtorch use Tor to bypass the firewall
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: hehe :)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: So I found this app.. I think its it.. But now what?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: run it?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: you're supposed to run it in school
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I dunno what I'm supposed to do with it. Its tutorials are for the web.. I want for an app, which is says it can do.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swangin snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: o.o ok, but then what?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: fian, for an app, you need to 'root the phone', which requires great technical knowledge
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Oh. Ok..
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: did you download the Tor browser?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: I don't know how strict your school net is...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I typed Tor into the playstore and downloaded the first thing.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: download the tor browser too
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I can do anything bit it seems connections are wierd.. ok.. um.. whats that? I didnt see anything called Tor browswer
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: are you going to get him arrested? :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: ack, pardon spelling
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: (she)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: he, she, it
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: sorry, it's called Orweb
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: tigernuts, arrested for someone what's so easily downloaded on Google play store?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: someone -> something
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok, Orweb.. Then what? Run it all, go to aardwolf amd try and play online?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Easily downloaded != immune to arresting. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: more like what are the chances?!
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: poptarts can be got from most stores too, doesn't stop you getting suspended from school for eating one into the rough shape of a gun
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nuts.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you can't legislate against society being full of dumbarses
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: likewise, circumventing school security is likely to be frowned upon
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: People have been suspended for making their fingers into the shape of a gun, that's how ridiculous it is.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Can't play cops and robbers anymore - you'll get suspended.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: AKA do at your own risk.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Honestly, the first step in circumventing school security policy is to ask the IT department if they can open it up.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: flain you got the right idea, though you'll have to get orbot run for a bit at school
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You'll find that they're sometimes more accommodating.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If they say no, then seek other avenues.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: HOW do you ask in a non-suspicious manner?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: trouble with that is that if they say no, Etzli, they'll immediately be suspicious
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bobolai: "Hey, I play on an online community called Aardwolf. It's a telnet-based game, too, and I'd like to access it. This is the IP address to access it, and the ports used. Could you open these up?"
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Flain, try to access mudbrowser.com from your school. And why didn't you respond to my tells?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Try pinging aardmud.org from your wifi terminal, post results.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: XD I'm done *facepaw*
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: otech of course, if i were their IT, i'd ban any non-school device connecting to the network period
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: MAC filtering :P
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Orbot wont start. So I guess its not working.. and because I keep havong to go LD just to test this.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Orbot won't start?!
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what's the issue, any?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Goes to yellow, 10% bootstrap or whatever. and stops.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Wont change from there.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you work at a university in IT? I do, and you can't do that. If you did, the head of the IT would get brought into his bosses office and told to change it.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ah, be patient for that!
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: in about an hour.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: fiain: when doing it at school, you have to be patient too
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Bast, ?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok, Ill retry.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Bast: why do you think it happens?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: and asking Tech wont help. The ones that talk to students dont know how to do crap.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: we don't have any filters or firewalls on anything except servers/networks with data that have to be safeguarded
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Ok, lemme try again...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: this a phone or a tablet?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: not much dif is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: shed load of dif
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: She's on a phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so is there no 3g coverage at school?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what is your 3G limit
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: I think the data limit is the issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: I'm not sure on the details.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i thought everyone had unlimited data these days
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: have you tried to connect with 66.228.127.34 instead of aardmud.org?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Tigernuts: no, most US cell companies have done away with unlimited data except tmobile
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: maybe not unlimited, but the limit should be very high
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sucks to be you, plenty do it here in the UK. Personally i don't have a smartphone
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: on account of them being Satan incarnate
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Using the IP didn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Well, I cant figure anything out. Thanks for your help, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, one of my bosses at work complained that we gave up unlimited when we redid the wireless plan, switching from an unlimited data plan to one with 30GBs shared...our usage has never been over 5GB, making the 30GB as unlimited as a real unlimited plan, as far as real life goes :P
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I gave up my fios because I had to, and so have been using my hotspot for most everything, my most was 60GB in a month. Luckily, my phone is through the university on a business plan so has unlimited data.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I use my phone as wifi hotspot when in the field, but only do it for home during things like hurricane power outages
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and even in the field, enough places have wifi that I'm not using my data often
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I thought about cracking one of my neighbors wifi, but I thought that would be rude
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: both rude and illegal
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: but fun and profitable
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: I have a 4G hotspot (chuckle) seriously though 28 M/s down in my pocket aint bad
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: er I guess its a router not a hotspot... whatever marketing
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: 20/month
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Interesting. Never knew this, but you can dunk a running power supply in mineral oil, and it'll keep running...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: yea its nonconductive hehe
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you can submerge an intire cpu and it keeps on going.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: yeh, they use mineral oil filled cases to do cooling on some high end machines
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not going to test it out, but apparently, there's a fish tank aquarium case that is filled with mineral oil with the motherboard and everything dunked in it.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Chew Toy Detreyl.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: though, once it goins in, i hope you dont have to work on it again :P
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm almost tempted to try it out, but not going that route. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Tormat about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: k
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: k
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: anyone have any issues with the mapper in kobaloi?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: the gate guard screws me up...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: anyone using the mapper help me out of my kobi gate guard issue?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: everytime i path through the guard (when i hvae the pass) i get hung up and it breaks the path
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: yep, disrupts the crudely-written scripts, speedwalks, stacked directios
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: is there a fix?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Do the goal?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ah, ok, backwards fix... what do you get?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You don't have to go through all the trouble anymore. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Otherwise, you should be able to set a custom exit, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: just though of a good custom exit...
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: going to give it a try
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "As a Kobalos, you will not need a passport or permit to wander freely about the Keep."
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nice goal reward, and pretty easy.
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: is there still an aardwolf package for mudlet?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: are there any more recent aardwolf package for mudlet (than the 4 year old one on the forum)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keranik Tech: Google shows a 2.1 version from 01/07/2013?
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's Mudlet, not the Aard package...he's talking about MAG
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keranik Tech: Ahh, I tried :)
T3/r7/2014-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and no, there's pretty much no active Aard players supporting the Mudlet cause
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: does anyone here use Windows and have LuaRocks installed?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I do.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: can you luarocks install lua-llthreads and email me the resultant dll?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If I can get it to work, sure.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: even better would be either luarocks install https://github.com/Neopallium/lua-llthreads/raw/master/rockspecs/lua-llthreads-scm-0.rockspec
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or a build of the git repo
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Apparently I'm missing components needed to build.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pthread.lib?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Needing cl.exe, I guess.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thought I had everything necessary, but apparently not.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: invoke luarocks from inside your Win SDK shell
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: assuming you have that
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Negative on that, though hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or visual studio or whatever?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though it might need mingw
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, had visual studio downloaded, let me see what I can do from there.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And cannot open input file pthread.lib
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: arg
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: looks like pthread lib is here? ftp://sourceware.org/pub/pthreads-win32/dll-latest
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: However, llthreads2 works.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not sure how much to trust llthreads2
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: most of what it adds doesn't work in windows
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, the llthreads isn't hitting for me. I can try to mess around with it later, but for now, I've got to go tutor.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyone else use windows and have luarocks working?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mama&Papa Anaristos Tech: I find luarocks iffy
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mama&Papa Anaristos Tech: sometimes it works and then sometimes it doesn't. Haven't figured out why.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well I need a current lua-llthreads dll :\
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Anyone know of a good web based drawing app?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exp(i*Pi) Anaristos Tech: web-based?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yeah, needs to work with chromeos
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Preferably it'll support shapes and symbols and support sharing or saving to pdf or other common format
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: if anyone was interested, found something that seems pretty decent: http://www.draw.io
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: I'm using mushclient and gt command to put my messages into communication log, like you're houngry, weapon drop. is there any way to pass my messages? I mean not using gt, to not spamm group channel, like some king of custom channel visible only to me?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: try the roleplay channel
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: it's fairly empty :)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: tell self :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: yeah echo has no tags unfortunately
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: hmm echo doesnt go into comm log and I get 2 tells while using tell to myself
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Once you're married, you can spam spouse channel with all your reports
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: there is a new script to move gt output to a fake channel...might be something that could help you
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: not exactly what you're looking for, but  the same general concept
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: heh that's the solution:P can I make fake char and marry her? is it ok with rules?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Can't do it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You could also do multiple things to get whatever output you wanted into comm window, that's just more involved
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leil Tech: endtime? seems great
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: does ony one know of a way to reset the position of a miniwin in mushclient? when I removed the monitor it seems the miniwin got stunk outside the visible area of the screen... :/
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: winkles?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i thought it was ui reset... not sure though
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: try reset aard
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: or reinstall the minwin
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: if it is S&D it is an xset command
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: I'll try to reinstall the miniwin, it's a bast plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: xset is setting room starts
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well thats what i thought anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: xset doest seem to be a valid command 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: xset mark
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: no, that was for S&D
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: brb, have reinstalled the plugin, will try to restart mush also to see if anything happens
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: nope, still no miniwin :/
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: which of my plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: spellup miniwin
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mspell spellup reset
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: aaaah!! there it is! Thanks alot! 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: no problem
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: odd, haven't seen this before, two mobs with different long descriptions flagged as my quest mob
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: sorry, short description in the room
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: april 8th is here and windows xp support ended, now xp users are vulnerable to zero day attacks through security holes Microsoft kindly made for the hackers and security services
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: the world will end just like the year 2000 issues!
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I know. Still I keep on using XP
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: MS supported Windows 1.0 from 1985 till 2000.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: if i could i would still use win 95/98
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well i'll upgrade when i can afford shiney new ssd's, and will likely go to gnusense of debian wheezy
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll still have to run xp in some form of virtual box, hardly seems worthwhile even changing at all
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Which plugin in MUSH is most likely responsible for me not seeing anything in my main window?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Never mind, it was the prompt fixer.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: tech In Mushclient, with triggers, how do you match on gagged stuff? (E.g., spelltags.) Just like you would if they weren't gagged?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: tech tech 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: tech Yes, every plugin gets a chance to match a line.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: so doesn't matter if they are gagged by another - your plugin will get a chance!
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Assuming that the triggers are in different plugins, yeah.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Mendaloth crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Madcatz.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Well, the trigger I would write wouldn't be in a plugin, just a trigger in the client.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Then assuming you don't have any other triggers (not in plugins) that match on that line
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: K, thanks. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: If you do, you need "keep evaluating" checked, or else only the one with the lowest sequence number will match
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Hm. So if there's a plugin that matches on the line I want to match on with my little pony trigger, I'd need to check keep evaluating? 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: No you shouldn't have to....the plugins should be seperate than the ones you manually create.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Ah, ok, gotcha.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Anyone know what the sfail failure code is for disrupt when it fails and says: "You need to be more disruptive! Blah blah blah"?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Is there a way to set a trigger so that it will match on a variable? Like if I want to match on {affon}ariable, where the ariable is a spellnumber?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: {affon}@variable
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Isn't it something like (!@Variable)?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Match on {affon} then have the trigger body be a script which checks what came after the match, and does what you want?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: That sounds complicated, Metria. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I can do it in cmud easy
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Shame CMUD's not updated anymore.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hmm. You could swear Serinal has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: are you looking for a mush-equivalent to direct assignment, or an expression trigger?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal boggles at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in cmud, direct assignment is handled in the trigger pattern via &, ie, &%dmaxhp (the %d there limits the match to just numbers).  An expression trigger will fire only if the expression evaluates as true AND if the variable has changed values.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if you're just wanting to match on the variable portion of a line of text, that's pretty much standard pattern matching.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So, I have everything working like I want it to, except that it won't recast 412 when the spell I'm working on lands. So I have a variable @v_dis_spell that I set by alias. Then I type a command that casts 412 until 412 lands and disrupts the spell. Then it automatically recasts the @v_dis_spell. And what I want it to do is, when that spell lands (thus, {affon}), to cast 412 again. But I don't know how to use @v_dis_spell in the trigger after {affon}. Does that make sense?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: And just play along if you have no idea why I'd want to do such a thing
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're botting improvement of a spell
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Trying to, anyway. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: wouldn't it recast it on the affoff tag?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: The spell does, Starling. I want to cast disrupt once the spellup spell recasts, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: this is why I hate the mush/cmud split, I could do that in 2 seconds on cmud but on mush I'd have nfc.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm a little lost as to why you don't just use the simple text messages that each spell gives on success
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Because that's too simple.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Obviously.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Because I'd have to change the simple text message every time I changed the spell, Metria. I'm sure there's some scripty way of doing it where all the simple text messages are listed or something, but I have no idea how to do that.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I'm a humanities person, not a tech person. Simple triggers are complicated to me. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: easier to work with numbers because instead of needing the whole wearoff/spellup lines you can just do 'pracbot 333' or similar
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: pracbot?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: OK so instead of using a variable put the number in the trigger pattern. So you change spells, you have to edit two places instead of one. I know, it sucks.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: But it'd be working by now.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I guess that's what I'll have to do. I just assumed there would be some way of automating it with a variable. Hell if I know what you can and can't do. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: wouldn't even need to edit
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I already told you how to do it, the problem is you're not willing to look up how to do it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Metria, I'm willing to look up how to do it, but when I look at the help files on the Mushclient page for scripting, I understand almost nothing. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I admit, I hate working with regular expressions too
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why? They're relatively easy.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Because I use them infrequently enough that every time I do use them, I have to relearn them.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So use it more often. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: I <3 regex
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I just don't have a use for them often enough, sorry!
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I know that a practice bot is legal, but somehow it just seems... cheap
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: is that legal, (1) to auto-disrupt a spell until gone (than recast spell), (2) to endless-loop the previous until spell adepted or out of mana or some other loop exit
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Yes. It's the one listed exception in help bot, Zade.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: yep, it's legal
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: The funny thing is, I want a limited functionality, to do i tuntil I increase the spellup by 1%, but I got criticized for not using cancel and idling until all my spellups are 100%. Heh. Because occasionally I just feel like practicing a spellup spell. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: someone criticized you for not botting?!
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixtlilton Tochtli Tech: Someone not botting???? How can they possibly compete?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Whoever criticized you for that is the sort of person who would pee in a Coke bottle so they don't miss 30 seconds of double xp. Do you care what they think?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Have to compete by using drugs, lots of drugs
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: lemmon..dang, what was that number again (the vintage 'ludes from Wolf of Wall Street)?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if the client in that loop does not realise the spell is 100% adepted, like attempting to adept a spell already at 100% ..
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Easy to write it to stop at 100%
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I have it fall asleep, Zade, then disable the triggers. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: even if you didn't, it would still be legal.  Spellup spells don't give you anything that would have to be thrown away.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You get xp for each skill increase
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not if you're at 100 already, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: my "didn't" was for Zade's/Starling's comments, not Serinal's about afk triggers.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, I reread and realized that afterwards
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: oh, my comment on stopping the script wasn't about legality, it was to not waste mana potions casting and disrupting a spell that was already at 100%
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: anybody have a really good list of plugins? :D clients feeling a bit plain :P
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Finger Bast?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Iff Tech: vanilla client is the best
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: WinkleWinkle, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: thanks! :)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm sure I've asked this a long time in a distant past, but...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you obviously got lost and chanced drinking the mexican water.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I did.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm trying to figure out how to word my question.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: generally by stringing words together
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: etzli asking questions, this is new
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I hadn't thought of that, Notwalking...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with [Outlaw] Remarto about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Actually, I may have answered my own question...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: dang, false alarm...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto is completely confuzzled
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or maybe not.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In CMUD, I have an ONINPUT trigger %qdag(%d)%q. What this means is I can do "wear dag120", and it'll automatically equip the proper dagger. I do this with my bags, too (%qbag(%d)%q), where I can interact with the bag any way I want by number. Now... how can I emulate that in MUSH? :\
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i dont think you can :)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: why dont you just get the unique ids of your eq and use those, or assign the unique id to variables you want
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not very helpful.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: So anyone have an idea what plugin is sending the command 'spellup data' over and over to the mud? (using fiendishmush with bastmush plugins, and search and destroy)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: maby look at basts eqsets / eqDB / eqLookup plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Zetch: That's what I do, but instead of having to remember 1234567 for my unique ID, I just do dag120, and it converts it to (1234567)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Redwood: I'd imagine Bast's spellup.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: you can parse the input with lua and let it do the subs.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: here is where lpeg comes in handy :)
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: I never installed/extracted that one Etz, i just use an alias to do the order I want =\
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: At the risk of also being unhelpful, what I have is an alias to do invdata on my weaponbag and parse the lines for the level and get all the ones of the matching level argument from the bag
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: cmud's oninput triggers are essentially aliases with variable names.  It's not too far away from mush aliases.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Except, Hanslanda, I don't need to make an alias for each interaction.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: don't need to make more than one in mush, either.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: So I use "getwp 120" and it invdata's the weaponbag and pulls out all items of level 120
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is that kinda like the bag sorter ixle?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ixle: That's a bunch of extra spam and overhead. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And it doesn't solve my request for the bag, either. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: How else are you going to get the item without storing the uid's?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: keyword, I guess
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: do you reset your trigger/alias every 20 levels?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ixle: I have a database with the uids already. So, in CMUD, whenever I type "exam bag1" or "drop bag1" or "get dag120 bag1", or whatever, it automatically expands those bag1/dag120 to be whatever the uids are.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Ah, well if you're willing to store all the uid's it should be totally possible in Mush, I just can't tell you how and apparently none of these jokers can either :p
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i think bast did it with his eqDB
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It was pretty - but I ended up uninstalling it - lagged too many things for me.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's essentially the same process.  All that would be really different is minor syntax stuff for whatever equates to @dbconnection.execute() and such.  All the SQL is going to be identical, and the conceptual stuff (trigger on this, alias that, etc).
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The only way it won't is if you add variables to the pattern.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, can you actually trigger off GMCP in MUSH? As in, Aardwolf sends char.vitals, can you trigger off the char.vitals?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: only in a plugin as far as im aware
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: OnPluginBroadcast, that's right.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or something like that.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah thats the one
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: does anyone know if bast's eqSets plugin takes into account tiers?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So much to learn, yay.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: are you only just starting mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: when your done, go make a market plugin too
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Remarto: I've made a couple scripts for MUSH, just nothing so indepth dealing with GMCP.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Here's my question now...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have: local res, maxstats = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval","char.maxstats"). However, print(maxstats["maxwis"]) returns 'nil', and I can't figure out what the proper syntax is to call maxwis (and other stats).
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hmm this may help http://pastebin.com/vfByDtuS
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: okay its prob not a very good example as that was my first use of gmcp for anything
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That helped.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well finally something usefull came out of that experiment
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sighs.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto peers intently at Book of Etzli.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, just having fun right now.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bah, just realized I still need to trigger on SOMETHING to run the function...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what are you trying to report?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, in this case, I'm wanting to trigger on when my hp drops below a certain percentage.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In CMUD, I can trigger off any gmcp changes.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well make it into a plugin, and OnPluginBroadcast would do that for you
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So there's no need for a trigger at all, then?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: not really, a good example is bast's broadcast plugins,
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I wouldn't use the function, then (for instance, function Get_Vitals()), right?
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: prob would still need the function
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you'd put it in the onpluginbroadcast function which grabs gmcp info
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah...
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: may want to look at the  Aardwolf_Health_Bars  plugin that comes shipped with mush
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if char.hp < 40% char.maxhp then blahblah or something in that function
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: depends on what you're trying to do
T3/r7/2014-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think I might have it. I'll hit tech back if I run into another issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bah.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For whatever reason, it's not loading the variables up correctly.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: okay whats failed now
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The OnPluginBroadcast is failing me.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i wouldnt know why
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: gotta be more specific
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: http://pastebin.com/dWnvVUAU -- if you want to take a look at what could be wrong. It's not loading the sysgmcp
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: As far as I can tell, anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Okay, just ran a test, it does load the sysgmcp properly... now to figure out what the real issue is.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think I've found the problem and fixed it. :D
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yep, whee!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: My problem? I didn't properly set the variables.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: he baaaaack.....
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now... I'm assuming CallPlugin is what I'd need, but how would I go about getting the information on a variable from another plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think you have to mess around with setvariable and getpluginvariable
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And why in the world am I unable to save my states?? I keep getting a popup saying, "Unable to save state blah blah blah"
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no clue, i've had problems with that popup too
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: are you using it in dropbox by any chance
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I am.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i suspect dropbox is locking files
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, probably locking the files when it's saving one, then.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And won't unlock it until it's finished uploading it...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you ever figure out how to get rid of that let me know :p
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Will do. It's annoying as hell.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: probably best way is to get mushclient to lock all the files or something
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not sure if that's possible
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: it's single threaded...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: whats the command in blowtorch to stop the screen from scrolling when you click on the screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why can't mapper register exits in nomap rooms?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: because they're nomap rooms
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how does mapper map anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: from gmcp
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: can't you just manually add the rooms?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: mapper thisroom says: ID: nomap_Wooden Passageway_masq
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how am i supposed to find out the id of the room
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mapper thisroom, gives a nomap then thats the id of the room
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nomap rooms don't give gmcp info
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: look at the record sent by gmcp, gcmp.room.info.*
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can't map it without modifying the mapper plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: gmcp.room.info.* ?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: have you look at how gmcp works on the aardwolf page?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: anar do you know if its possible to stop a room updating?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: no, I don't know that it can be done.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: do you mean, not to receive room info from the mud?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: that is a pitty, cause i know i linked rooms but as soon as i went back into them, it removed the link because of nomaps
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: I am not familiar with the mapper commands on aardmush, I don't use it.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: o well guess ill have to make do with cexits
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: remarto, how did you even link rooms?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: right click, change exit
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nomap rooms that is, when i can't even figure out their ID
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: gmcp sends you all the rooms linked to the current room.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well you use the nomap id that the mapper gave them
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: there are 2 rooms with the same id
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: you are not supposed to get any info about nomap rooms, that is on purpose.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: there are nomap rooms in some areas like gathering horde, but the biggest use of nomap rooms is in clan mazes.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Del^2(t) Anaristos Tech: so you can see why there is no info given out, raiders would be at a great advantage if they had that info.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i understand clan mazes, but it gives an id for thoes rooms that doesent exist to surrounding rooms
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what are the best inventory sorting plugins? i tried bast's eqdb but it's clunky and i can't wrap my mind around it...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: try container sort, i think its madcatz, finger madcatz
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i already have it. It's nice and simple, though i want a bit more...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what do you mean by more
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: okay... are there ANY inventory plugins besides bast and madcatz?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: not that I've seen. But I might not have seen them all
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: none that are published that i know of, but maby try abelincs ones, he may have something
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: or maby mendaloth
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: http://mikeride.chaosnet.org/abelinc/scripts/getfetch.html
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: looks pretty good lol
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: it... doesn't work...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's not for mush
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh. thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: Any ideas whats going on with my S and D? It isn't recognizing the room I'm in
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what do you mean by recognise?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: thats prob mush mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: also, it might be the problem of the GMCP mapper, not S&D
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: When I type xcp 1 for example it says "I don't know where you re right now-try : look" but nothing changes when I move around or do that.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: S&D only sends commands to mapper, it's mapper doing the work
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: where are you
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: ah I am getting an error with the GMCP mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: are you in a nomap room
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: no I have moved all over the place
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: where are you anyway? i really wonder
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: you were right it was the GMCP mapper it isnt loading because apparantly the lua files it uses are now missing from my muschclient folder
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how... why... what the...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: I'm of no help here.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i cant tell you where they may have gone
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: I am just redownloading from aardsite, pretty strange business though
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: the Aardwolf.db file, and the Aardwolf.mcl file are where the personal settings are kept, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: so how does the s&d plugin work? i noticed it changed my cp check screen to a nice clickable one, but it doesnt seem to find the complete runto string.. can I fix that? 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: I think it only works if you've already explored the relevant areas.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: aah, I have, but not since enabling the plugin. 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: will try :)
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: is there a way to use 'add exit' to automatically say a certain thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: mapper cexit
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: if you use mush
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: sorry, yes mush and winkle's s&d plugins... 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: mapper doesnt do anything
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: mapper help exits
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: thanks! 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So. Scripting. I want to send to the mud "cast <variable>". The helpfile on Mushclient forum says Send doesn't evaluate variables. So I assume you have to use execute ("cast"). But do you put execute ("cast" ariable) or what?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: send to execute, select "Expand Variables" on the right
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What am I doing wrong here? In MUSH, I'm triggering for "{repop}*", and choosing to omit from output. Only... it's not. Since repop messages aren't toggleable, I choose to gag them from output as my repop script alerts me anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: so your triggering off the tag?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I am.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: try ^\{Repop\}(.*?)$ i think it is
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: then do the omiting
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's a lowercase r, and I've tried that, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ah hmm
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i trigger on the gmcp message with plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and turn the tags off
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So do I, and that's how I get the alert. But repop messages aren't toggleable, and I don't really care to see them when I'm alerted through gmcp.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: tags repop off
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You're not listening to me.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or you're very clearly not understanding me.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well the repop gag trigger should work, i dont know why it wouldnt
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the tags are toggleable, the actual message is not, it will happen no matter what, that is what Etzli is saying
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Neither do I. That's why I'm asking what am I doing wrong.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Bast.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: did you set is as regex? With the trigger you originally said, it will not work if set to regex
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The original one was not set to regex. I then converted it to regex when that one didn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And... I found the problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And thusly fixed it, ha.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what we missing
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, I guess my original one (out of habit), was actually "^{repop}*". I guess the ^ is only for regex use. Anyway, when I converted to regex, it took the ^ as its own character, so it did ^\^\{...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: so was a typo :O
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In CMUD, regex or not, you can use ^ and $ to mark the beginning and ending of a line.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I guess you can't do that in MUSH.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah no
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, wasn't really a typo - just a misunderstanding on the mechanics of trigger making in MUSH. :p The regex converted correctly, but I hadn't caught that until I double-checked.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah well i wouldnt have thought about a ^ in normal non regex triggers as i only know mush not cmud
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal pats [Outlaw] Remarto on his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Ok, so. I want to trigger off of the spelltag {affon}*,*. Here's what I want to put in the send box --> (send to script): if %%1 == [the value of some variable] then Execute ("c 412 <the value of the variable>") end <--. The question: do I need to use the GetVariable function in both places, or can I just put ariable, click on expand variables, and let it ride?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You want to automatically disrupt any spellup spell cast on you?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Not any spellup spell, just the one whose number is contained in a variable.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: oic
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hmm, get the variable at the start before the if statement and you will only need it once
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: for example use ignorespell = GetVariable("ignorespell") and use ignorespell as the variable
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So something like the following: local MyVar; MyVar = GetVariable("MyName"); if %1 = MyVar then Execute ("c 412 " MyVar) end
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: something like that
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: but i think you will need to have Execute("c 412 "..MyVar)
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Ahh. That's the other thing I was wondering. How to do that. 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: .. really just adding one string to another
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: some excel gurus around?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I get compile error, immediate execution, [string "Trigger: "]:3: 'then' expected near '='
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i hope not, i gave up on programming excell, i hated trying to do 16 nested if statements
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: Hmm
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there anyone here who excels at Excel?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: did you do double ==
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I know a bit about it Bobolai. What's the matter?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: sorry, just wanted to make a pun
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: dexter is after the excel person
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Ok, so, I made it if %1 == MyVar then Executive ("c 412 "..MyVar) end. And I don't get the error anymore, but it also doens't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: try print instead of execute to see if its working
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Nothing appears.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: how do i remove a mapper portal?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mapper help portals
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: mapper portals, look for the portal you don't want, mapper delete portal #number
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but make sure that you really want to remove it, rather than just doing a tweak to tell the mapper not to use it for some circumstances
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: nods, was left over from someone elses db file :o
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: bah. cheat
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then change the alias to work with your copy of the portal
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (optionally, get your own copy of the portal first ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: abe adding and removing portals isnt hard or slow :P
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's also a mapper command to run to a room without using portals
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not hard or slow, but it's often unnecessary and not the right answer to the problem that people try to use it for
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: can the fbi really be watching me on my laptop webcam i just got a message claiming to be them
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: stop downloading porn viruses
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: anyone could be watching you but the FBI probably wouldn't really tel you about it
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: they can, but I doubt you're that interesting for anyone to watch
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: yea and the weird thing is tgey want mobey to go away
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: 2 dolla
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: hello, this is FBI in America, pleased to send money to Bank on England, for to stop watching fee
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: if I pay them, will you go away?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: or am i misinterpreting the message?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: You got it right Pleiades. (I hope)
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: somebody is having a rainy day
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i hope u find some sunshine pleiadeiesd
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I doubt it
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: there's a perpetual storm cloud hanging over my head
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mmm free water
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: like with the pastor in poltergeist II
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: such a gloomer
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bleh, if i keep getting popups from m$ telling me support has ended every 10 minutes like i am right now, i'm goin to get pretty pishy at them
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I didn't get them
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: had two tonight, only switched on 10 minutes ago
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: had my XP machine for 7 hours. Nothing.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prezee Tech: is there a plugin that allows me to click an enemy name to attack instead of typing it?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not to my knowledge, but it'd take a lot of work to do that.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I've found typing is faster than clicking anyways...for what it is worth.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at [Outlaw] Mendaloth.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The reason it'd take a lot of work is you'd have to have a trigger for pretty much all 15k+ mobs in the area so that when you click on it, it only does the keyword.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: would only need a few triggers, perhaps even just one.  The real work would come in the data entry phase as you filled up your database.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, yeah, I meant a trigger phrase for all the mobs. That's what I did, databased all mob long names with keywords.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: MUSH question time! How do I expand a variable on the command line so that if I type "id @portal", it'll identify what is stored in the portal variable?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: does mush even have something like that?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't see why not.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what happens if you just type that in?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Doesn't expand.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, I had to ask, since cmud doesn't have any special operator for that.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's a configuration, if I remember correctly.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Maybe I should look into the game configuration.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not in cmud, unless you meant smart commandline.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, almost sure there was "Allow expansion of variables" in CMUD... meh.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in zmud you would use <> or [] (I forget which was which), but in CMud those were absorbed into the parser entirely.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, it was Expand aliases with tab completion I was thinking of.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Interesting. Despite lack of Microsoft Support, about 95% of all ATMs run Windows XP...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh, I'm surprised there's not a mapper command to search for rooms in a certain area, or restrict to the area first.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm not
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: rejected idea
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: How do upload papers to my computer, then copy and paste them to Aardwolf? I need the valuable feedback of Curse. 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: How do -I-, rather.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Rejected, for what reason, if I may ask?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: u can email them to me nighthaven 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: What's your email, Chummy Tech? 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he wants to do his part to avoid bottability in Mush.  If someone's gonna bot in Mush, they gotta do it themselves.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Finding a room by area is hardly "bottability"
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If that were the case, then why have a mapper find function at all?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: what can't i pm u...
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: oh he went offline
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No he didn't.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Because these papers are not virtual. I'm trying to find somebody with the know-how, ya heard? What's your fax number? 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: He's invis/hidden, and you don't have detects.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: oh!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Does anyone have a fax machine I can send these to?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: well i dont want to broadcast my email
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli quickly looks up the fax number to the NSA and FBI.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's a fence
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it'd be far more entertaining to give the number for the local church.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: got it.. NSA fax number  (443) 479-2470
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks at Chummy's saying.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Good. NSA should know how to handle this.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: I am paying their salaries, after all.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Mendaloth goes 'Awwwww!' at Nighthaven.  How precious!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: that really is their fax number.. i was surprised how quickly it popped up
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: sure i'll date you
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: To the small business something or another...sure they'll ignore anything that isn't related to their office.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: even the spooks have a clerical office to handle the non-cloak and dagger drudgery.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: oops wrong channel
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: make a lua-llthreads dll that works with mushclient and maybe I'll reconsider
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've been looking into it. :\
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But was looking for mapper area <room name>, which I didn't catch until it was pointed out.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Okay, so... should I get a PS4 or an Xbox One?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: neither!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you should use mapper help 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: get the no-name newcomer
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: just stick with Aardwolf
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I did, I just didn't catch that syntax at the time.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I'm a fan of mapper help all - myself
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Your advice has been duly noted, Chummy. It is unfortunate that I must inform you of my great dislike for games which make me want to rip out an eye, get the leaf blower, then blow on the hot mess of a brain in my head.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You stoned, dude?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Then skewer with a fork and start removing it chunk by chunk.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: nighthaven, you are on meth, are you?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: level 9 methhead!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: This is yet another legitimate example of something that should be chased off to debate chan :P
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: that's a lot of talk, but no actions
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: what are u saying nighthaven?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: This channel is for discussing what exactly?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: tech stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: Interesting..
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Is a cyborg penis considered 'tech stuff'? 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: lol i guess so
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: technical stuff, but until an imm says to move we can veer almost anywhere we want so long as we are largely behaving.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i don't think we ever behave on this channel
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: do NOT talk about techno music on this channel, it's a rookie mistake
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: also, heartbleed!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Oh, that's cool. As long as Kirrister doesn't find me here, we'll be okay. So, how 'bout Josh, huh? He's a goddamn hunk. 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: josh who?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling points excitedly at Book of Etzli!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, please don't pollute this channel with crap.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: this is pretty painful
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks at Starling's saying.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: What a bummer. I would be interested in technical discussion, but not in any of the above "conversation".
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Actually, that made up my mind on my next slot.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: did you have something specific to share, or are you just hoping it spontaneously occurs while you're around?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Oh, right. I'd forgotten some of you don't actually consider everything typed on this game a piece of crap. Okay, so... what kinda computer goes for a gaming rig these days, my pimply faced kids?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: what do yall think of that new htc one.. hmm? tech talk go
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: There is no ssh connection to Aardwolf, good tghing, it would have neen a waste in light of nosebleed
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: idk, i'm looking forward to the S5 zoom myself
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: that was a great start to the conversation nighthaven, next time, try being more of a jerk and i bet you get more helpful responses... technically, that is
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: my 386 seems to handle telnet just fine.  
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I can teach that skill.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Whoa. That's across the line, Scars. Don't use semantics with me, you pimply-faced dweeb. Just answer my question.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No personal attacks please
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza peers intently at Nighthaven.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: That's a personal attack? 
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: Improvement, good initiative, but bad judgment.  Try and keep it within the rules next time, but I like your spunk.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Endtime holds a fish aloft, ready to slap someone with it.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: well yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: You know the part where you sort of childishly call me a "pimply-faced dweeb"?  That's considered a personal attack because it's technically, well, an attack on my person.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: gaming rig?  umm i use a chromebook.. but then the only game i play is aardwolf
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: are you playing aard from your chromebook?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: Gaming rig is one of those terms people throw around, but i'm pretty sure they have no idea what that means
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: chromebooks suck.  You have to be online to use most parts of 'em.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Sir, you can't just use the word 'technically' out of context like that. This is for tech. Stop your spam, Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: through a browser then?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: well u have to be online to do anything fun anyway right?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: I'm confident that I appropriately used the word 'technically' in the appropriate technical manner.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i was curious if they had an app on the chromebook
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, if i don't have internet, i don't need a computer these days
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: yes they do its called chromud
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: chromebook just leverages that concept
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nighthaven Tech: Whoa. Whoa. What the damn, Arnica?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: its not specifically for aardwolf but just for muds in general
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: that is pretty cool i didn't think they had an app
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i got chromebook for the price.. it does what i want so works great for me
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I discovered Aardwolf in the Google Play store.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: really?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i want!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: Still playing on my phone, a Kyocera Rise.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i don't see any aardwolf app in the chrome webstore
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's blowtorch. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aardwolf RPG.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: No, it's not.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: ohhh yes. its different webstore for droid
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: Aardwolf RPG and Blowtorch are two separate apps, both available in the Google Play store.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i have those on my droid.. but i suck without a keyboard
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: Not sure about the Chrome webstore.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aardwolf RPG is a customized blowtorch app.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: My phone has a physical keyboard that flips down, full QWERTY with function symbols.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Much like AardMUSH is a customized MUSHclient program.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and it's about the size of a credit card, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: That's a problem ^^ :P
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i had an old droid2 with a slide out keyboard i used to try and play aardwolf on... still no good for me
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: epic?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't use my phones other than to quest or check notes
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: try playing aard on a blackberry, with that wierd square keyboard.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I don't play Aardwolf other than to quest, so it's perfect. :D
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chummy Tech: i wish i had the new hp chromebook.. it charges through micro usb!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, is there a plugin that modifies mapper goto if you've got the portal wish? Or am I missing something in mapper goto that already accommodates for this?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: think the mapper already handles portals and will use them appropriately once learned.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's not what I was asking, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the mapper uses portals however you define them.  it doesn't care if you are holding them or if they are perm equipped
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'll elaborate.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in my case my portals are all "useportal 1234567" which is an alias that fetches the portal from the bag, equips it, enters it, re-equips my normal one, and puts it back in the bag
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: As most people do, I switch between Aard amulet, Lifetime Pass, and Tiger of Kai.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Oci Tech: how do i make an alias carry out multiple commands on my android app?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So I can build an alias then, and use that as my portal command when doing mapper portal?
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yup
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That helps me wonders, awesome.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: eg here is a line from "mapper portals"  : |   1 | amazon     | A Foggy Rainforest   |  1404 | useportal 109771029  | 100 |
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You just made my night.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: well, that's good :)
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Tokens of my appreciation. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: thanks, and good luck!
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm slowly learning more about MUSH. Hope to eventually incorporate Melvin back in. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: How would I create an alias for "mapper portal" or "mapper fullportal"? I want to type mpa 12345 4321 1 instead of "mapper fullportal port 12345 4321 1", then I want it to put the portal back into my portal bag.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: send it to execute
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I did that, and it didn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: send to world (the default) sends directly to the world without parsing, send to execute sends it as if you typed it on the command line, so it'll run other aliases, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I know the difference there, but for whatever reason, it's not working. I'll try it again.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: do you have 3 wildcards in the alias name?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: ^
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I do.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: action * * will never match properly because the second argument to action will be taken as part of the first capture
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: so the correct alias won't fire
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It comes back with the unknown command output from the MUD.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But it puts the portal into the bag now, which is an improvement.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not sure why it didn't the first time.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scrublord Wolfe Tech: I used to have some line of code in MUSHclient that displayed the room number after the room name - how the hell did I do that?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The alias itself is: mpa * * *. The commands (Sent to Execute) is: mapper fullportal port "%1" "%2" "%3", followed by put "%1" @portalbag
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: make it do echo %1 %2 %3.. not sure what the mush echo command is
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: probably %2 and %3 are nil, could be wrong though
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's outputting them correctly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's just trying to tell me that mapper fullportal isn't a command when it most certainly is, and has been used for the past hour now.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: it's not a mud command...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nor it is supposed to be.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: but if you get that message it means it's being sent to the mud.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm well aware of that, and that's what I'm not understanding, why it's being sent there when I can type it on the command line just fine. It's just not working from the alias.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: change to execute?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: See above, Rauru. It is already on Execute, and it's still giving the error.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And I found the reason.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Apparently the "" are not needed.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: oh :) the alias was getting ""....""
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: since mush parameters are all strings.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Once I removed the quotes, it worked.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: mushspecific, sorry I couldn't help
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: this is why I regex
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Regex has nothing to do with it...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: use lpeg!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: yeah!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I normally use CMUD, but I'm plaing around with MUSH for now.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: etzli, regex has nothing to do with it because you're not using regex
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nor do I need to in my scenario.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: no, but you could, and if you did, I could have helped
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's what I was saying.. I have no idea how the mush specific aliases work
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But if I were to use regex, I could have helped myself... *shifty*
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: how do you refer to regex captures in mush? also with %1, %2, etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: ................ then why.... did you quote them?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Matsuhama P
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Some languages require you to quote them.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It was outputting the proper information, but it was surrounding it in quotes.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: yeah.. darn, I wish the Aardwolf app supported scripting
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: does anyone know what the matches end of line option on an aardwolf alias does?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It... matches the end of a line...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: thanks Etzli
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that can mean very different things
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Basically, it's ^$ :p
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: where ^ is the start of the line and $ ends it.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I made an alias 'opp' that does open e
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: open w open s etc.. checked matcg start of line
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: which means it is basically ^opp.. does checking match end of line effectively make the alias ^opp$ ?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: nevermind, I see now.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, so that if you did "opp blah" or "blah opp", it wouldn't fire.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: start of line stops blah opp and end of line stops opp blah, cool.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: woo-hoo, targeting alias in aard app, life just got easy
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh, I just made my life a lot easier with my trigger and alias. Now it's down to mpa 12345. :D
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what did you do?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, triggered off ID using a multi-line trigger, saved the Id and Level to variables, then set my mpa alias to use those variables instead.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how does that nake life easier
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how does that make life easier
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I went from typing "mapper fullportal port 12345 4321 1" to "mpa 12345 4321 1" now down to "mpa 4321"
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, life is easier for me right now. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I don't know anybody who plays any MUD at all
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: do you use the fullportal command that often? seems strange
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bobolai: Considering I just started using MUSH and am mapping all my portals, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: When you're trying to map 80+ portals, that kind of comes in handy to avoid carpal tunnel from excess typing.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: i use it in an alias to create all my chaos portals, and another to to delete them for gqs :)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ah. i see. how many portals do you have? all i did was make a simple alias
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've inputted 64 so far.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Total, I have 85 portals.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Which is why I said 80+. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've never heard of the mapper fullportal command
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's in mapper help portals
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not in mine it isn't
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It allows you to enter all the information in from one room without having to actually be in the room.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Do you have the latest version?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: you could write a script to make those aliases for you :D
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "There is also 'mapper fullportal <command> <room_id> <level>' which lets you set all portal aspects in one command without being in the target room."
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahhh, I was just looking at syntaxes
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I figured.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's my learned thing for the day :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: all the talk about variables and such, i would rather input my own room_id and level. faster and easier tha  trying to figure out variables
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: btw, have you gone through hosch's mapper page?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Have not, Abelinc.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And error prone, bob. Also, scripting is more fun than retyping data.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And Bobolai: Nothing difficult about it. You set a trigger to set the variables. Then you create an alias to do most of the work.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a good read...it's in the More Tips section of the page about the mapper on Fiendish's google code wiki
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh, i realise. i'm not techy.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, rather than remember ids, I just pass the processor the portal target room and it does the rest.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Seriously, my mpa alias returns: "mapper fullportal port @portalid %1 @portallvl"
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I will definitely give it a read then, Abelinc. 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You should try becoming techy. It's a useful trait.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: what anaristos said makes the most sense to me
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Ranrr about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't have to remember ids, either. *shifty*
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I started doing this before gmcp was around, so I have all the info in databases, I have a portal table keyed by target room, my portal alias just does: go <target_room>. The go routine reads the info of the portal off the database, including where in inventory it is at the moment, and generates a speedwalk.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Heck, being a geeky techie nowadays can even get you laid, it's considered cool :D
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: yeah, makes the most sense to me
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: all you have to do is wear a thong :>
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Matsuhama P
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i still dont get it. if you dont input the info, WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: while at work?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: the target room is all the infomation you really need, if you have coordinated databases.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, and I use keywords rather than IDs so things don't have to be rewritten on subsequent remorts and don't have to script in alt versions
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: wow.. gmcp..
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: makes that so much simpler
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: a little script and you could have a mapper build itself
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bob: room IDs come from GMCP, object IDs come from invmon and its brethren
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I never bothered integrating gcmp with my movement commands, I work strictly off the cmud mapper database and other auxiliaries.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's already happened.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: MUSH's mapper builds itself.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: As does CMUD's mapper when you're in map mode.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the cmud mapper database uses GMCP by default
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: As does tt's
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [when available,of course]
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: then why does it require you to give room ids?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's redundunt
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't tell it room ids for its database
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: redundant*
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, had I been new at this, I would certainly have gone the mush way, but by the time aardmush came along I had spent 5 years building my movement application. No point in throwing it away and starting all over.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You only tell where your portal lands to.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you give it room ids so that it knows which room already present in its database you're talking about
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't have to supply it with ids. I could easily just enter each portal, then mapper portal <command>. However, I don't want to enter 85 portals.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: so.. with the mapper.. you are still using room ids?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper uses room ids, that's the only way to have consistency
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: should be 'goto roomname'
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: right, all you need is the target room, but I don't give the gcmp id, I give it the room name, there is a field in the cmud map database for a secondary key, so there is never a conflict in room names.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's 500 rooms named a hallway...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: goto that
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: simple fix
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: bookmark specific ids with unique names
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: goto myhallway
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what the aliases do
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and what things like winkle's extender with xrt does
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: mudlet mapper seems much slicker
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hardly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: there is no need, with the cmud mapper you can have choice of using the room key (cmud internal) or the mud vnum (from gcmp).
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if missing 60% of the features is slicker, then sure
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Abelinc: Haven't you ever heard that "less is more"?! *blink*
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's no different, it's still an id
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: from the guy who thinks mudlet isn't actively developed?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: you should probably use an application before giving reviews
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've used it...have it running even as we speak
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: with S&D, is it possible to use the regular cp c view in the main window, and the S&D version only in the miniwin? 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's odd, because you'd think you would be able to understand how it works if you used it
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I said two things about it...(1) its development was very stunted for a while, but recently picked up again, and (2) development of Aard stuff for it has been nonexistent for many years
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both of which are quite true
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: matsu have you used the mush mapper?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I understand how it works, even back when the mapper was "coming soon and in beta" for 4 years
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: torks: you need to edit mapper extender file and remove omit_from_output="y" in some places
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: "missing 60% of features" would be three things
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I see counting is a strong suit
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: is the mush mapper A* driven?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: how does it compute the speedwalks?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not quite
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: BFS
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: ah
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: torksman: i do it by having a mudside alias cc for cp check, it doesn't trigger the capture when you use that
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: thanks! 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I spent sometimes playing with an algorithm to mimic cmud's pathfrom function. I still haven't gotten it to work between to areas reliably.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: obviously zugg stores "secret" info about the mapper.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there any reason why tags might be showing on channels, even with the comlog working fine? also my attack spells are being indented after my bprompt
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: nvm fixed
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Farideh Tech: How do you enable ro disable the miniwindows?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: file>plugins>click plugin>click disable
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Farideh Tech: Thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: how do I tech the mapper to open a door before if can be entered?  is that a cexit? 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I logged on to recall
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: mt
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I logged on today, and the mapper window isn't working anymore. It stays in its uninitialized state.  The ASCII mapper works fine, however.  Every time I restart the client, the mapper program claims it's been over 24 hours since last backup, and forces a backup of my maps.  Any ideas>
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ill ask on tech
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there any reason why \| (.*)\=(.*?)$ triggers on | ZhouLi=1396409632 but when i try to print the first variable, print(%1) its coming up nil, but printing the seccond variable comes up right?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: mushclient lua
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yeah, put " around the %1 and the %2, that makes them strings, if you just do print(%1), it thinks Zhouli is a variable name
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: help mt internet is down
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: its so nice to have a smartphone backup
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: is nexus tablet or chromebook different in any significant way? and/or is there a different tablet i should look at?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude waits.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i would assume that nexus tablet runs android and chromebook runs chromeos...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ok, but i mean in terms of speed, or graphics.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: what are you planning on using it for?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: like, assume im an end user that doesnt care about the o.s. and just d ooo es mudding, skype, web, email , notelad, damn my google spellcheckers  autocorrect 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: and netflix 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: and some typing.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: for typing i would chose a chromebook - if it's a choice between those two
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: the nexus and the chromebook have similar prices and screen size, but the nexys is lighterand the book has a bigger hd
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: if i recall correct the chromebook has a physical keyboard...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: well, i was going walmart, target, the mall, etc so its those two and then ipads, nooks, other brands
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: yep it does.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: the reason i don't use my ipad is the lack of a physical keyboard... can't live without it..
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: theres bluetooth keyboard ipad cases tho
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you can always add a blue tooth keyboard 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if money is of no concern
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: the nexus 7 is only 170.00 , well, money is important, but i can forgo strip clubs for a few weeks
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if you are just spending cash you normally blow anyway, then grab one and try it.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: yep!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nexus is a decent system, just depends on what you use it for and if you kliek the way it runs.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: i was thonking nexus cause they run some apps i use on my phone.  but theyve been hout for two years so mebbe someone has tried them already
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: most of them coem down to taste, unless you have specific questions you might be hard pressed to get a formal opion.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ok cool. ill bbe back in a few hours then , with about three pounds of excess packaging.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if you dont like it just send it to me :P
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i loved my old galaxy
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: o.o and stand in line at a post office meh
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Emrys Tech: if my S&D gets stuck behind the top toolbar, how do i move it?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i  need some help with my MUSHclient setup please.  ran into a problem with my S&D window
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i was moving windows around in MUSHclient and the S&D window is stuck at the top of MUSHclient behind the info bars at the top.  The only place where you can pick the S&D window up is at the top of the window.  i tried reinstalling everything but didn't help
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: THAT DID It thank you!!!!!!!!! awesome!!!!!!!!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: you're welcome
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Weird. I have Lua for Windows on both my home laptop and school laptops, but apparently on my school laptop, there's an error loading module socket.core.... not sure why, though, and I can't load some plugins as a result...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: ur bots incompatible
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: ur speling is horibal.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Herbal....interesting
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: LuaSocket is not part of the core Lua distribution.. did you install it on the school laptop?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's included, Metria. I think. I'm going to uninstall LFW and reinstall and see.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm looking here: http://w3.impa.br/~diego/software/luasocket/
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For what it's worth, I didn't have to install the socket on my home laptop. Reason I know is because I wiped the drive and did full reinstall of Windows, and only downloaded Lua for Windows.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No idea then, sorry!
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No need to apologize. I don't expect every person to have answer on tech channel. I sure as hell don't.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: we expect you to have every answer, Etzli.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: EVERY answer.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks at Starling's saying.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, uninstall/delete/reinstall of Lua for Windows didn't work...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: luasocket is part of the mushclient distribution, though
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: someone here using windows xp I need your help
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: what is the issue?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I need someone to email me system32.dll
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: kernel32.dll
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?kernel32
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that might work
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: saved my bacon before
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: trying
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sweet. I think maybe this will work
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: damn. I really don't want to have to package kernel32.dll because this stupid dll isn't statically linked
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrth Tech: we still have xp at work too. irritating.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: too bad xp is dead
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: too bad your face is dead
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: xp no longer updating i though
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrth Tech: right. no more uodates. yet, we can't get approval for upgrades. penny wise, pound foolish are the powers that be.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I'll just stick to Windows Me
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: LOL
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: XP was a great OS in its day, but its abysmal 64 bit support pushed me to Win 7
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: but most stuff on Win 7 is still running in 32 bit mode anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: OS/2 :)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yes, but that's not the point, the point is i can collectively use more than 3gb of memory
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Yeah, that's a good point.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: won't touch 8 with a 10' pole though
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I havent used Windows 8 yet
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: firm believer in the "every other major release" mode of windows upgrades
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: No kidding.  Every other OS as far as Microsoft goes.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: good idea
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I have Windows 7 Enterprise at work
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: win 8 is too tablet oriented.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: you think that's bad, you know 8's metro interface?  its in windows server 2012 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: for me.. Though I primarily use Arch and Debian linux
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's ridiculous
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: it's called "server".. smh
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: They should have called Vista "Win7 Beta," and Win8 "Win9 Beta"
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrth Tech: we have windows 8 on our newest laptop. I like it fine so far.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and you need quest points to remort
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: besides, the hybrid system seems odd
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I mean.. is it an OS for a tablet or for a desktop?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: seems confusing, in a way
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yay, I have non-blocking https requests now
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: what language?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: lua
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: so easy using lua with luasocket
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not true
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: yeah it is
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's only easy with threads
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: settimeout(0)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: what?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: coroutines, select, settimeout(0)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: very easy
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: luasocket won't yield everywhere
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm still trying to figure out why my laptop at home can load plugins and doesn't give the lua\5.1\clibs\socket\core.dll error, but I can't on my school laptop. Both have Lua for Windows installed, and it's driving me insane.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: confirm that core.dll is actually there
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: at that path
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: are both laptops 32-bit?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That was a step long ago confirmed.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And yes, both are currently 32-bit.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: OS on each?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it gets more complicated when using luasec and you can get partial ssl negotiation between frames
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is the school computer letting it access it?, i know school computers tend to have alot of file restrictions
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "Immediate execution -> error loading module 'socket.core' from file 'C:\Program Files\Lua\5.1\clibs\socket\core.dll': C:\Program Files\Lua\5.1\clibs\socket\core.dll:1: '=' expected
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's the error I'm getting.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also coroutines are super shitty when I can now spawn low level threads
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (coming soon to the aardwolf package)
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: look at package.cpath, see if that folder is accessible with the current cpath.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: eep, battery dying
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's such a naive statement fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: coroutines aren't shit
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, they are rather elegant, I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i rather think feindish knows what hes talking about
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's nice
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: he doesn't though
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Pretty sure he knows more about it than you think.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: that's nice
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: they certainly come handy when you want to write a custom table traversal.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm. .\?.dll;C:\Users\*****\Dropbox\AardMush\?.dll;C:\Users\*****\Dropbox\AardMush\loadall.dll --- that's in package.cpath.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But why would the error refer to the location if it wasn't accessible? Kind of hard to refer to an exact place if you don't know it exists.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: the error is telling you where it's looking
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: and that's not where it is
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Did you even see what the error actually said?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It doesn't even mention that it's not found. Again, it's in that proper place.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The error states: '=' expected.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: you can add the path with package.cpath = package.cpath.."C:\Program Files\Lua\5.1\clibs\socket\?.dll"
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: sorry, forgot the delimeter.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: its haveing problems loading a package inside the dll is what i got
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: you can add the path with package.cpath = package.cpath.."
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm pretty sure the error isn't saying it can't find it...
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: you can add the path with package.cpath = package.cpath..";C:\Program Files\Lua\5.1\clibs\socket\?.dll"
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: Yes, I did see the error message, and read it, and understood it.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: your question, not the error, is what prompted my response
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: and frankly, good luck with your troubles
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: meanwhile, the MUD I started writing in Lua on my android at lunch today is accepting socket connections on port 7777.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: that's nice
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: isn't it?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not really.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: any particular reason for the hostility, Matsuhama?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: hostility? that was tech related
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: and etzli said it's not nice, in a roundabout fashion
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: etzli how recent is your aardmush package, etzli?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Most recent package. Downloaded two days ago.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i won't claim expertise, but it looks to me like the client is disregarding the lua in the mush package and instead calling your standalone install which is causing a conflict
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: lua is rather infamous in breaking compatibility across versions, so if they differ, it could be causing the error
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But why would it work on one, but not the other? Both installed on the same day, etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: hell, it could have been something as silly as the order installed because lol registry
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Does MUSH even access the registry?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: with no installer, it's doubtful
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: no, but lua works a little outside the box, so to speak
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: Being portable I dobut it.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, my question is, why would order matter if MUSH doesn't even access the registry? Hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i mean, it is obvious at least from the error that the plugin is calling your standalone install's core.dll rather than the one in the socket folder in the mush directory
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: oh, lol.. your mush script is failing?
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: remove lua from cpath
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: and LUA_PATH and PATH
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: mush should call the version in it's local directory structure if there is nothing in path
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: I thought you were just having trouble loading dll's using luaforwindows
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But it doesn't make sense that it works on one, but not the other... that's the confusing part.
T3/r7/2014-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: the path is probably not the same on the other one
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sighs.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'll see if that works, but don't think it will.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: search order, that is.. see if that fixes it and then you'll have a better start on figuring out why there was a discrepency between the installs
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, have you done the goal?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mis.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: are the operating systems the same on both laptops?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, operating systems are exactly the same.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Amusing... that actually solved it.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now let's see what other issues arise from it.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: change the path listing?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yep.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: wrong reply target
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Whoops, thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: isn't it possible to stack commands in an alias in blowtorch?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: like alias name do something
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: like alias name do something::do something more
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: seperate the commands with semicolons
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: but with semicolon, blowtorch  keeps runing the second command even with two semicolons 
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: not sure exactly what you mean, when i used to play on phone i had an alias for knossos that had like 20 semicolons in it. never had any problem
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: if I create the alias in mush it Will work ok
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: but I can't stack commands in blowtorch with :: (semicolon) it always just runs then as seperate commands
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: maybe blowtorch uses a different separator...
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: aaah fyi, use ; to stack commands in blowtorch
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: that is a semicolon bro
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: grrr use tilde semicolon 
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: ahhh tilde semicolon
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: hehe forgot that the tilde wouldn't show :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: does anyone know of a quick way to automate renaming of files? i have a lot of log files in the DD-MM-YYYY format i want to rename to yyy-mm-dd
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: in windows, i'd do it in powershell, would be pretty simple
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: yeah, a powershell script
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how would you use a variable in it?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: something like.. get-childitem | rename-item -newname "$($_.name.Substring(6,4))-$($_.name.Substring(3,2))-$($_.name.Substring(0,2)).txt"
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is powershell case sensitive?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dolt shakes her head.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: you can put -whatif at the end of that to get it to just print what it'll do
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: -whatif says it'll try to rename everything to --.txt :p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: haha, i screwed something up then.. let me actually try it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hmm i screwed something up and lost one of the log files it seems
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: this way looks better.. get-childitem -filter *.txt | rename-item -newname {$_.name.Substring(6,4) + "-" + $_.name.Substring(3,2) + "-" + $_.name.Substring(0,2) + ".txt"} -whatif
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea looks like that works
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it possible to change the filter *.txt to look at only digits and dashes?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: something like a regex expression?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: I think you'd have to pipe a bit further. get-childitem -filter *.txt | where-object {$_.name -match "regexp expression here"} | rename-item -newname {$_.name.Substring(6,4) + "-" + $_.name.Substring(3,2) + "-" + $_.name.Substring(0,2) + ".txt"} -whatif
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: oh and you could just remove the filter on get-childitem of course
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: is there a plugin to automatically sleep just before ticks?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: wouldn't be optimal behaviour...
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: could turn it on or off
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Then could just sleep before tick :p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: probably too troublesome if it's a plugin, and sleep and wake are just a few letters...
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i guess so.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: got it to work, thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: powershell is very underused, most people never pay attention to it :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I just wish they had included support for the native Zip functionality in it.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, probably because there was no demand.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I demand it.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: post a note on msn :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Or I could just whine here.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i never knew of its existence before this actually
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: now i need to try and figure out how to recover this lost file
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I just install gzip when I want to use powershell to zip things.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i always feel like powershell is a poor man's awk
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: it's fine for what it was intended and it's quick to do.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: I use it daily, it's great for windows server administration stuff.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: powershell is more for automating tedious administrative tasks.  Awk is for searching files, isn't it?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: grep is for searching files. awk is for doing lots of things
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Or you could just do like I guy I work with, and use Emacs to do everything.  I think he uses Emacs to drive his car.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: but it's pretty limited to file operations, isn't it? powershell handles all sorts of objects
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how does he drive?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how good is* his driving i mean
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Just an exageration.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i've used powershell to extract serial/model numbers for all pc's and devices connected to them, seems pretty good for that and automating AD stuff. getting it to format output correctly is a royal pain (due to its "Everything is an object model of operation). If they allowed simpler integration with .net it would be much more useful IMO
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: i like everything being an object, the benefits in being able to pass the objects around are huge in terms of getting it to "do things", rather than "output things"
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, if you are using the .net then want to use Work Flow.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude finished shopping.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: so now that i got the nexus, i guess i have to shop for a bluetooth keyboard seperately, i'm assuming bluetooth compatible is bluetooth compatible with no other issues usually?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: should be. unless its that newfangled hi speed bluetooth ive heard about.  
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: hmmn i'm assuming it wont be, since i'm gonna try and bargain shop.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: if i may make a suggestion, my Logitech K810 is my favorite thing ever.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ideally i'd find a bluetooth keyboard that could fit into one of these designer cases, or one that's included.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: are they pretty economical in sizing comparative to a 10" tablet?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: nod. most of em won't have a numpad
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: its tiny and portable and rechargible and illuminated, and u can pair it up to 3 devices, save the settings and switch on the fly
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: cast illuminate keyboard
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Wink winks at Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: that sounds pretty cool
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: you said k810 ? ill go check it out
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: yep. i grabbed a ruller: it's 11.5" x 4.5"
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: if you use multiple bluetooth devices at once, will there be some sort of wait period while each new frame is broadcast?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ie, will it slow my other bluetooth stuff down if i use several bluetooths at once?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wink Tech: if you're just using mouse + keyboard + etc you wont notice the difference. If youre transferring large files, idk.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i seem to have a trigger to highlight the "Deep magic stirs within" vorpal message. I can't remember how I did it. Could someone kindly remind me?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you are using my plugins, it is part of broadcast_kills
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: if you have catchtells off and while afk you receive a tell, will you see the tell or will it show after you return from afk? or will you receive it while afk through gmcp?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: shut it off I'll send you a tell
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ydna Tech: does anybody know why i DC whenever i type "Get all"?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: cause there is too many lines of items?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: there are*
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I can't seem to find it, but is there a command to flag a room as norecall/noportal? I'd like to trigger off recon and flag them that way instead of testing each room.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Referring to MUSHclient, in case that wasn't clear.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is not a command to manually flag
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm. Shame.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, my tf script updates rooms in db when it sees recon output
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I guess I can try to muck around and write a script for it, then.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: hmm how many of you are not using the aardmush?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if norecall type home
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or if prison type enter
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: Dustpuppy type clients
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I know, and that's what I'd been doing.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just figured I'd save a bit of hassle by triggering on recon.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I meant trig on recon output to send those
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: thanks abe
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was ayasinda, not me :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, good point.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dustpuppy nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but you're welcome ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: though I am wondering if dumb is also raw telnet?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on the raw telnet
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: dumb likely just refers to clients that don't answer the client id query
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc that was unidentified
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: typing telnet from a cmd.exe is ANSI
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, I need to add a delay, apparently, in the recon trigger. Otherwise, it catches one, but not the other.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: how do I stop my s&d from trying to use Desert Doom portal as a shortcut to Reman Conspiracy?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: it never works I just get caught in the maze...
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: remove the portal or cexit you have established
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: though its not really a maze, goto area, run 2nu or 2nd
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: nods..but if i remove the portal it's not gonna go to desert?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's probably not your desert doom portal that it's trying to use...it's probably a bad directive to try to use the reme portal
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ahhh
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: whats the reme portal called?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Two way mirror
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: found it
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sepulchure goes to Aardwolf's Tech/Misc boards, sees no mention of Heart Bleed awareness(even though its unaffected). Wonders why fellow Nerd isn't warning fellow Nerd.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: that's probably old "lamer exterminator" - virus sort-of thinking
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: "if he gets affected, too bad, now he'll learn" 
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: infected with what?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: ironically first virus i had on my Amiga 500 was on game called "virus" :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: what did it do
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: but surely you'd expect people to be warning about possibly losing their banking details
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: and after cleanup.. the game didnt work :(
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: actually the majority of banks were not affected
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're forgetting one rather important thing, sepulchure
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: people are dumb
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: and what tigernuts said
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: hhmmm now shouldnt we all be transferring money from banks to safe and secure pokeraccounts right! :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: Bitcoins!
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: that'll do it
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: did you see that JP Morgan Chase patented their own version of internet currency
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/chasing-bitcoin-jpm-preparing-unveil-its-own-electronic-currency
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you could just revoke your certificates, change your password once the server has been fixed, which is all that is
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: Tigernuts you make it sound so simple, while foxnews said it's a major problem and that the NSA leverages heartbleed to spy on us
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: dont downplay it
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: past tense, holliday
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the spying has been done, for 2 years
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Doc Holliday smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: so, conspiracy?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i don't understand
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: but I really don't think they'd spy on EVERY single person.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: not conspiracy, just a simple flaw that you can remedy fix on your end after the servers have been updated
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: NSA were aware of the bug for 2 years and didn't tell anyone? did they conspire to keep it secret to make use of it? Yes
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: clearly Holiday is working for "them" and should not be trusted
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: snowden will probably let us know next week :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: In Tigernuts We Trust:D
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Doc Holliday make pretitle sumthing dumb then complain 'bout how stoopid imms r.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: It's open source.  Everyone had the same access to the code.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: So not like there was anything to hide
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers.html
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: what an amazing jobs NSA has - you can sniff in peoples trash and if caught a "sorry" is enough:p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the main two servers affected are Facebook and Yahoo
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: eh. no.. no need to apologize:p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: let me just consider for a minute how much of a shit i give
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Excel question. I have a "Debit" column for business debits, and it's formatted for accounting. Yet, when I enter =SUM(D2:D23), it returns 0, despite there being several amounts in the column.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: are they numbers with formatting applied, or are they strings that look like ledger entries? (when you look at a cell, is the formula (123.00) or is it -123?)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: When I look at the column, it says "$100.00"
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Minus quotations.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It also does the same for "Credit" too.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: that would be a string .. should be 100 and can have it formatted to put a dollar sign in front iirc .. change one and see if your sum updates
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Will try that now.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: then update the format of the cell/column to use accounting to get the dollar sign back
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That was it. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now, how can I update the 564 entries without having to do them one-by-one? :\
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: make temporary cell to the right, and use right( <prev column>, len( <prev column> ) - 1) to strip off the $, then copy that column and paste special -> values back into the original column
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Will try that.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, didn't work... in fact, won't even convert into accounting format now. This is super-weird.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: try adding value(...) function (converts string to number)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Okay.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, I think I found the reason... Going to try something now that I know there seems to be a hidden space or something after the number.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Did a "show calculation steps" when the Value(...) failed.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It showed "100.00 "
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mye nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, is there a function I could use to remove control characters on those cells? TRIM isn't working, and since I copied/pasted from the bank's site, I'm suspecting it's a control character.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: if it's always at the end, can you can just remove it with left()? if it's always the same character, you can use substitute() to remove?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: trying to test out teamspeak, anyone running a aard server?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: which is the best inv plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: need some that can do bags as well
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: eqdb
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: need one*
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: along with eqsets and miniwin-eq if you want
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: ty
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i'm using bast miniwin_eq plugin, but it seem my client keep getting "not responding" lag
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: anyone have an ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Since when did Twitter start looking like Facebook?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Since they changed it a couple days back.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Read an article on it - they wanted to be more... "sell-yourself-friendly", more or less.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I'm not a Twitterer, just occasionally pop in and read a few things. Just noticed it today.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: and it'll flop
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: like Myspace
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: and facebook is already declining
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Becauase you're such a genius on what people like? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or expert, rather?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I use Facebook like once every two months. Blech.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: facebook is doing very well with ads revenues on the mobile apps
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: bah, it's the mathematics of a fad.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: fb is not declining
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: psst, it peaked in 2010. their IPO was a flop
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: stk is up fifty pct
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: only after a while it started moving up
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Funny, I don't see dustpuppy.com stealing userbase from facebook anytime soon
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: its up fifty pct in a yr.  more users everyday.  u have no clue
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: nonetheless my dad decided to sell the FB stocks once he realized he was going to lose money
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: what a sucker
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: and went back to safer bets.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: he died last tuesday
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: People did the same with Apple.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: probably aold them to me for eighteen dollars
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Although I did read the Wired story talking about how they're disabling chat in the mobile FB app. That can't be a winner short-term.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: thing is these apps can lose traffic very fast
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Nobody uses facebook chat in mobile anyway, everyone uses Whatsapp, Kik, BBM, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: facebpok at eighteen is super safe if you underatand advertiaing and engagement
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I don't have a cell phone, so these things are beyond me, Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: nod, used Whatsapp today for the first time. very nice app - talked to my mom in Israel
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Where in Israel does she live, Puppy?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yes..whatsapp is nice...but never understood why to use it on top of skype
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: she doesn't. Have family in Efrat though. She went there to visit my sister and her family (accompanied back by my sister shortly after my dad's death)
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: it's nice when you forgot to pay your phone bill, but wifi still working
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: she doesn't. Have family in Efrat though. She went there to visit my sister and her family (accompanied back by my sister shortly after my dad's deat
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: oops
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: sorry.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Oh boy. A settlement. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i dont trust israelis
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: This guy is hilarious. https://twitter.com/FakeUnicode/status/453272539230240769
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Speaking of Twitter... 44% of its users have never tweeted...
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: do you think that's a bad thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's amusing.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Where are you getting that stat from though Etz?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2602842/Twitters-silent-problem-Researchers-44-974-million-accounts-NEVER-tweeted.html
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: yes tons of fakes and bots
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: its why they will never mobetize
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're citing the Daily Mail?!
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Originally Fark. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: could be worse, he could have been using foxnews
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: im thiraty whars the best errand aervice
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Fido Express?
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I have a Twitter account but I don't Tweet. *shrug*
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: is my aardwolf info vulnerablw to the heaetworm vuln
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: its the end of the world
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: or heartbleed or heart attack or whatever
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: no one wants your info
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, Kojiro.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Please freeze yourself for 99999 hours to make sure your information is safe.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: you know if you type your password on tech, it'll show up as ********.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: my password is *******
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Xaeris.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: My password is **********
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Holy crap, that's the same as mine
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i can almost guarentee that if it was vulnerable lasher would have already patched it and told us as much.  given that he hasn't, it probably isn't
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: my password is eightinches
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: LIAR
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: o man, i better change mine.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: I think you're about 6 inches too much kojiro :P
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: my password is hunter2
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Kojiro uses fantasy passwords.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: k01ro1s4n1di0t
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: didnt work.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Xaerbear, everyone knows your password is 12345.
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: no, it's trustno1
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: the combination is 000-000
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i thought it was password
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: password1
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Xaeris, it came up as ********. I can't read it. :(
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: no, that IS his password
T3/r7/2014-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: what a jive turkey!
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: https://twitter.com/icontherecord/status/454734134192402432
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: They didn't know.... before April 14. Oy.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Heh, which Apr 14?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Well, if it's April 14, 2014, they'll learn of a critical vulnerability on Monday!
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: heh, you changed all their passwords?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: whats happening on monday
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: The NSA will learn about Heartbleed for the first time, apparently.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: classic case of misinterpretation because people don't use standardized date formats...
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i call bs on that
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Heh yeah, I just read the article and was going to point it out :P
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: and what is that
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: April "20"14
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades bursts into tears.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: At least that date was y1k proof
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: anything but iso 8601 is just wrong...
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Anyone familiar with multithreading in gnu++0x? I can't get my hello world to run properly. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: seems overkill to do a threaded hello world.....
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: It is, but if even that doesn't work...
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I get "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::system_error'"
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: "what():  Operation not permitted"
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: obviously, your comp has the herps
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien comforts Mr. Dash.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sorry, cannot help, not my area of expertise.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice at Ranrr, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I'll get one them PC condoms... so the std:: issue doesn't spread.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Hmm, it says Aborted (core dumped) but I don't see a dump anywhere.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: check your ulimit if you have limited core dump sizes
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Fixed it. Thanks Ranrr, I learned about ulimit (bash) options :)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Though "program terminated with signal 6, aborted" doesn't do much for me right now :P
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Anyone know why I often get this error when I do 'xset mark'? http://pastebin.com/4fTCp8qG
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: what is causing the echo RN="      " ##    where ## is the length of the "      "
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: disappears when i disable triggers, so internal to zmud
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Probably some debug printout that was forgotten
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Davos Tech: how do I get gmcp to fire manually?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: wat
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Anyone here good with regexp, that doesn't mind getting asked a question or two? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just go ahead and ask the question here :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cattibre Tech: I believe there are a few :)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: you already asked one question. the second had better be superior!
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Ok, I want to get exactly 2 integers from a regex, but up until now, I've only been using (.*) and it's returning an error when i try to get $2 instead of $1
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: So what kinda regex would I need to be able to get those two, stored in seperate variables
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.regexr.com/
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: define 2 integers in separate variables...is the number 12 a 1 and a 2, or is it one of the two integers?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or is there a space between the two, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: there's a space between them
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: so (\d+) (\d+)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ([0-9]+) ([0-9]+)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: or that :P
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I tend to not use the \stuff, as it is implementation-specific, so I create character classes manually
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cattibre Tech: either one.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just a style choice, though
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: You're all beautiful humanbeings, thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cattibre Tech: if you're only using regexp on a specific implementation (i.e. your favorite mud client) then there is really no reason not to use the client's specific stuff if you like it
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm also a fan of http://www.regular-expressions.info for learning about them
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: I'm using it for game programming. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: What kind of game?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Tech, you fixed my bug. I love you a whole lot.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You cheer and dance as the joy within you bursts forth!
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: rpgmaker vx ace game :P I spent the last 50 or so hours coding a 10,000 or so line complex skill system :3
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: is there a way for me to stack Zombify(no-lag skill) ontop of another attack with a single alias?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: seperate it with a double semi-colon
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: like so c zombifie;;c something
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: thinking more something like "
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: thinking more something like "c zombify <mob> 
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: thinking more something like "c zombify <mob> , c <whatever>" would that be possible?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: not with mud-side aliases i don't think
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if that's your client then yes, its a cake walk
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: could help if it were cmud but alas.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: mind telling me how to do it on MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: what was the question?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: all i heard was cmud...lol...so I was going to chime in? in the event i could help. I know a variety of mud clients. 
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: so create an alias with a pattern like "^cz (.*)$" set it to be a regular expression, then in the command do c zombify %1 and c something on the second line.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: (without the quotes)
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sepulchure Tech: okay so the alias "^cz (.*)$" which I set to regular expresso. Then under send, I put "c zombify %1" and on the second line of send, I put "c <spell>" ?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So. I have a trigger to wield my dual weapon if my primary weapon doesn't affect the mob. Is there a way to get it to fire on only the first match? That is, so that if I hit the mob like 4 times with the weapon, the trigger doesn't fire four times (it only needs to fire once, after all).
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: turn the trigger off, until some other trigger fires.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: I have two triggers in total. One that gives a sound alert when it's time to quest and another one that alerts me to GQs. It works remarkably well to handle everything else manually with macros or aliases or typing commands.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal pats ElFeneri on his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: With an innocent look in his green eyes, ElFeneri meows.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal pets ElFeneri.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keranik Tech: Anyone else having difficulty with the new StatMonitor plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Is there a function in MUSH that can access the last command entered?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: try pressing up
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's not what I asked.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: you can send all commands with a wildcard through an alias and then save it to a variable
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm hoping there's something a bit cleaner than that.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: does it have to be mushside?  ! I think is the secret shortcut built into Aard's code.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: how is that not clean
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: its one step.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Because I'm not wanting to save EVERY last command. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: actually you are
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: probably limited to the command line, which wouldn't include script-sent ones.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And I'd rather there be a function like LastCommand().
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: its either all or once it's happened its gone
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: just alias * to save %1 to $LastCommand
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: literally what would be happening with any other kind of LastCommand() function you're imagining
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sighs.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I really was hoping for something akin to CMUD's function.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines buries her face in her paw and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: make it, just put a function wrapper around that instead of using a global variable
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: toss it in a plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines throws back her head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, I'm going to, if that's truly the only way.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: there are infinitely many ways
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: but theres no way to see what happened without saving it lol
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: try => GetCommandList(1)[1]
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Only reason I ask is because I'm creating something that probably would be of benefit to everyone, so I'm only wanting the "cleanest" way possible.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli looks at Mye ponderingly.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thank you, Mye.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: this is amusing
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's precisely what I was looking for.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: might want to look at the mapper i think it does it somehow
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coot lil Guala Tech: in blowtorch how do i add second button to button set hold screen doesnt seem to work after first button
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cattibre Tech: Try turning fullscreen on and off in settings.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cattibre Tech: also, the long-press button creation doesn't work on the 'clear' page.
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Coot lil Guala Tech: seems clear screen rhing thnx
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: what keyword should i use for desert doom so it doesnt go to desert prison?
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ddoom
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: doom/
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ddoom, thanks :o
T3/r7/2014-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: AREA KEYWORDS I think will list out the keywords for each area.  I may have the syntax wrong, but there's a command to get that info.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phangs Tech: can somebody please tell me why the hell my dodge skill is refusing to go up when its at 93% ?? i've tried killing all level ranges of mobs over extended periods of time on several different logs and it is just refusing to budge.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezkai Tech: it is only trained when you dodge extensively
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezkai Tech: why are we on tech anyway?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't suppose there's a way to capture the color codes on a trigger in MUSH, is there? In CMUD, I can capture the ANSI codes for the group match, and I'd like to do the same in MUSH.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: in lua trigger scripts accept a fourth argument containing a table of all styles in the captured line
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: actually not clear on if that refers to color codes or bold/underlining
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?general=triggers
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, was trying to figure out what you were saying. I'll take a look, thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ugh, this is annoying. Stupid nomap room in Sanctum... I change the exits so it knows to go through the room, but when I re-enter a room, it changes the exit back to what it was originally.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: you can setup cexits for each path through room, i.e. pair of entrance, exit combinations
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm aware of that, but it's just a 'north' exit, leading to a nomap room. The issue is that the gmcp still returns the room id, even if the room itself doesn't.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: yeah its annoying. so you have to make the 2-step cexits so you can just "avoid" that room in speedwalks bc as far as mapper is concerned you skip it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Which roomid is returned from GMCP in a nomap room?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 15323.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's Clash of the Elements in Sanctum.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: What makes it nomap if it actually has a working roomid?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 15322 shows an exit "n" to 15323. Room 15324 shows an exit "s" to 15323.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The nomap flag in the room itself.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Right, but you can just ignore that?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nope.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: nods doesnt matter
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nomap flag prevents gmcp info when you're in that room, it doesn't block neighbouring rooms giving info about it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ah, gotcha. So, in that room, you get nothing from GMCP?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And that's what messes up the mapper.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just how the mapper was designed to function
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Seems the mapper could be fixed to handle that and just go on old information if it receives nothing from gmcp.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can probably change the logic in plugin if you want it to behave differently
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Possibly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not something I really want to mess with, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: area builders put those rooms in to prevent mappers from just running through their whole zone mostly, i guess in an attempt to reduce bottiness
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, since mapping isn't botting, I see no problem with doing a workaround :D
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's a huge amount of automation which people don't like
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Workaround: mapper cexit run 2n
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: exactly...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Bad builders use bad tricks to prevent what they consider incorrect behaviour, as I see it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: bad tricks?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: inexperienced builders use naiive tricks =p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea :p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the sanctum one isn't particularly effective
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone running some aftermarket firmware on their android device,  i tried cyanogen already, but what're some other names i might try if my primary interests are mudding, email, web browsing, netflix, skype, openvpn, and paranoia?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: the mode of life paranoia, not the cd application
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've heard of miui
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: does it look neat?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you're interested in looks you should probably search for themes
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: themes would probably be easier than changing os's, ok thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: sweeeet the bootloader is unlocked now. soon ill be able to try this miui thingy that reminds me of the horned guy from monster rancher.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: is there a way to make a tablet turn off if its stuck at a loading screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pull battery
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: i dont think the battery's user servicable, i guess ill get it drain out :( 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hold down power might work
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: been holding :(
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: Any body got a favourite Android email service app they can mention that they think is the best ? 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: the woman's computer took a crap last night, says the registry is corrupt and it needs the windows install disk, which is probably long gone by now...my question is, will any vista install disk work for this, and does it have to have a valid product key during the repair process?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: microsoft likes to "cheat" customers, and so do the retailers selling microsoft products -- so they prefer to "cheat" by increasing the difficulty of "repairs" (so the customer is required to pay again and again and again and ..)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: simple solution... use linux, its free
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Linux is cursed by arrogant nerds and geeks 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Uh, OK :)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Apple is similar to Microsoft.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: See if you can find a valid restore point
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: it wont boot at all, i tried doing last known good config, safe mode, normal, safe/command prompt, none of it works
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: time to reinstall your OS..
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Sounds like it is time to get Windows 8! *hides*
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Any vista disk will work, but you might need a product key depending on how bad the corruption is.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Chew Toy Detreyl shudders in disgust at Turie!
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: what is target or wal-marts return policy on opened software? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purltastic Growltiger Tech: I would guess a big fat no
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: If you're gonna upgrade, go with 7.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purltastic Growltiger Tech: unless the media is defective
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: I think that was a rhetorical question, growltiger, by his use of the characters :P
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: nod :P
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Go with 7 Pro.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: yeah, i've not touched 8 or 8.1 at all, but i'm running 7 and like it fine
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: When does Windows 9 come out?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't like the notion of no start menu..
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Windows 8.2 suppose to be more like Windows 7 from the reviews I read.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: skip it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno why anyone would want a m$ os these days
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: compatibility
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: with?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Unfortunately, yeah. With other M$ OSes.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: except they aren't
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Mostly it's just to run Office or the like.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: games
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so laziness then
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Other peoples' laziness, also.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Which OpenOffice does fine
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I know, I use LibreOffice myself.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: plenty of business apps don't work well or don't exist for other platforms
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: As long as you don't use any macros in spreadsheets...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i tried openoffice a while back but unfortunately it sucked compared to microsoft office
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: m$ office sucks compared to older m$ officew
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It is mostly corporate lateness to see the picture (again) holding us on M$
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: open office is great, cause its freee
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I prefer Libre Office
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: notepad is better than libre office
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: Open office seems to be stagnating
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: so...what in the bios will tell me if it is 32 bit or 64 bit
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it didn't parse microsoft saved documents properly a lot
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Notepad++ is better than LibreOffice.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so nope, can't use it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: open office is good, I can check access dbs without paying for Word or Excel.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Redryn: which microsoft saved documents?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: lots of free alternatives are great if you're using them for yourself and don't have to share with anyone
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: stuff from the university, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, open office's price is right considering what one gets out of it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: or is that all in the OS
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: of course the one strike against it is that it's written in Java :>
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: check system whit?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's like gimp vs photoshop
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if an office document isn't openable by open office, chances are it's not openable by older versions office either
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's great for hobbyists etc
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but if you need to do serious stuff you pay for photoshop
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I agree, if you are a pro you need pro tools.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's openable, it just screws up formatting and a lot of stupid little things
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: well, I don't understand the trolling against Libre Office
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: it supports the common fileformats
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: personally i'll switch to *nix and use oracle vm to run my old version of xp for anything that needs it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: never heard of it, personally.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: and works well, certainly for me
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: well, I'll look at it and let you know what I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: everything works fine when you are only using your own created docs :p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or don't have to share much
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I used to use Microsoft Office, then decided I didn't want to pay Microsoft again for an upgrade
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: everything works for for >95% of documents, redryn
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: so I moved to Open Office
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: as for Oracle, the environment is a pig. I thought MS SQL Server was big, it's a midget compared to Oracle.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: since then OO has stagnated
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and you don't want to spend 3 hours figuring out what's wrong with the 5%
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not your problem
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: Libre is updated far more regularly
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not my problem? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: and it has good support for MS Office formats
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why not
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if someone sends you a doc you can't open, get them send it again is a sensible format
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I have never had that problem
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: good luck with that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: unfortunately i'm not that important
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: good luck with it? it's a daily occurence, running m$ won't help you. We have folks running office and there are document rendering issues because some are using mac and some pc
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it works fine on a standard microsoft office install, then the problem is on my end
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if we're swapping docs externally it's pdf or csv
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and if i send a doc made in OO to my boss and the formatting gets screwed up, guess who's in trouble
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then pdf it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pdfs can't be editted
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: I think you're missing the point, Tigernuts.  It's about having an application that lets you /work/ with your office.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: OO support for MS formats isn't as good as with Libre
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you're collaborating, maybe use google docs
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google docs have terrible formatting abilities
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: just because you think you're "better" than using standard distribution stuff, doesn't mean you have to force it upon everyone else you work with :P
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xaeris is agreeing with that Redryn person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: and google is evil
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yep, it is
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: + confidentiality issues
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: better still, get your boss to run openoffice and he won't have problems with rendering
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea good luck with that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the first question will be wtf for
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so i can open your document?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: every computer except for our general manager and or owner at work runs libreoffice
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: LOL
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: cuz car dealerships r cheap, mkay
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's why you get your IT guys to make it policy
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes, i should spend my time championing such policy changes
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and if anything screws up who's to blame?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: IT
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: here's something that may be enlightening to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: "because i am a sheep" isn't a good justification for using an insecure and expensive product
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because you're made to is
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because you're used to it is
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try reading the page again
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i've read and full understand the page. economies of scale are nothing to do with it in this case
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: are you saying that network effects do not exist for documents?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not in the context you're framing them
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: just making sure, if i go and buy windows 7 pro, its not going to tell me i have to fix the vista registry first, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would you want to buy windows 7 pro with you have vista?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: it's a clean install.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when*
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: registry is corrupt and i have no install disk
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: how corrupt is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's an expensive registry
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: wont boot in any mode
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: have you tried going to old restore points?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: the last known good config, yes
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: wow, I don't know if you can be helped. I would have installed  7 on another partition, but you need to bring Vista up to partition the hd.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: nod
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: do you have a backup at all?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: no idea what happened, she hadn't really messed with anything and haven't had any other real issues other than occasional freezing that we had attributed to her graphics card
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: no, but with an upgrade there shouldn't be any data loss, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: that's true, yes. I just don't know if 7 will try to read the old registry.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: she's going to be a mess if there is any data loss
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: theory all seems so nice.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: ok, I am thnking that 7 will not read the registry.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: you could try a bootable linux CD to try to recover the data to some kind of media or network storage
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: it doesn't need any of the info since it will overwrite the old system.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: i think 7 will move the entire windows directory into windows_old or something
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you want the data i'd pluck out the hd and connect it to a working computer, then copy out all the data first
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: and it will still see the old vista install and as long as i dont tell it to reformat the HDD, i hope i'll be in good shape
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: linux cd would work too if you have that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: yeah, Redryn. That would work.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it could have been a hard disk failure which caused all the corruption, so i'm not sure if you want to try install an OS on it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: get an external drive and install 7 on it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: then just set the machine to boot from the external and treat the internal disk as a data drive.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Whitless Whitdjinn Tech: from the research i've done on the error message i'm getting it sounds like it is either an HDD failure or a virus, so will try to put the HDD into this computer and pull the data off before trying anything else...thanks for all your ideas and help
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: make sure the second machine has virus protection, just in case.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Thoughts on Surface 3 Pro?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i hear mixed reviews
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I wish Surface came with 2 USB ports.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: has it even been announced yet?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: hi all, is there any way to take the drivers for an asus k550d that is downgraded from win 8.1 to win7?... searching for all parts and still missing some drivers for ports usb 3, SM and bluetooth, any suggestion?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i was just referring to the surface, in general
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Downgrade to Windows 7 Pro or Home?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: to win 7 ultimate
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Well, Windows 7 just has support till 2020....
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: but still not founded it, and asus drivers doesn't working :(
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Did you try their website?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: http://support.asus.com/download/options.aspx?SLanguage=en&type=1
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: nods, dowmloaded all drivers and installed them
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if asus drivers don't work, get reference drivers
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it is ironic that Asus website doesn't actually have that model listed at all, let alone specification or drivers thereof
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i am having a problem getting a client to download on my iphone
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: try a pc
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i play on PC, is it possible to download and use MUSHclient from an iphone though?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSHclient? no.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not without using a remote access tool to connect to a PC running it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you could try a broadband kettle
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i can't even lauch from iphone
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a Windows program...it won't run on anything that can't run Windows programs
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: gotcha
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are a couple MUD clients for iphone, but my preference is to use a telnet/ssh client to access a computer running a full-featured client...that way you only have one place to configure your setup rather than trying to duplicate features across different programs/platforms
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: less work to just take your lappie though
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not as convenient to take the lappie to a baseball game
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why pay all that money to go to a ball game then mud?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: now why would you want to do that?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the game's not exactly all action...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when they do the "watch this rescue dog", "dizzy bat race", etc. it's a great time to take a quick quest
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: addict
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and for those, it's /quest, /areaname, ahunt targetkeyword...wait for the autohunt to get there.../nuke targetkeyword, /questdone :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: but is /questdone "legal" in Nine Hells where there may be lots of fighting to reach Ruklav
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: yes, i'm sure being afk killing aggro mobs is legal. go for it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: /questdone is quite legal, yes :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: how I get the ASUS reference of the drivers?, sorry for ask again too late
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you look up the specification of your laptop and get the drivers from the manufacturers of the components needing drivers rather than from ASus
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Does anybody have an alternative solution to using the numpaad for moving for those of us that don't have a numpad on our keyboard?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all keyboards have keys that pull double-duty when the numlock key is toggled.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: use alt keys?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: that kind of doesn't work for mudding, though
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not all, but the vast majority
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: since it's kind of hard to mud without the uiojklm keys, or wherever they are
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Can you buy a seperate USB numpad?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Yeah, I was thinking about buying a separate usb nnumpad. But I kinda hoped there would be another way.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: another way like what?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: It would be cool,for example, if I could hold alt and use the arrow keys forr example.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: if you have any keys to use other than letter keys you could use a non-mush program to rebind them
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for a software solution, you could build a compass.  Could just click on the direction and move that way.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could do that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depending on how your keyboard sends alt-arrow
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Yes, most laptops have an fn key or something similar to get to simulate a numpad on a portion of the keys
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, I can see blue numbers on the right-side of my laptop keyboard
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Hmm, not on laptop, but this keyboard has a funcction key - I wonder if it has software attached to it. It's a Razor keyboard, so perhaps likely.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I played Angband for a while using the regular number keys at the top of the keyboard (8 directions, plus the 5 key for "wait")
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: get used to it after a while
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: using those keys in that manner, you'd need a way to turn it off, otherwise "bid 123" would send "bid <dir> <dir> <dir>"
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: nods, angband actually used the number keys to move -- didn't use the numbers for anything else
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: not really any keys that you don't need for mudding, though
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: can't you assign capital letters as direction?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Yeah, any type of key combinations should work
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: alt+letters, or whatever
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: In MUSH, you can set up accelarators to handle stuff like that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: actually, for alt+letter, you can just use macros, I think
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: yes, you can use accelerator, almost same as 'binding'.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Is that in mush, orr separate software?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: mush
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: each computer-based client has similar abilities
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Nice!! Where do I find accelerator? I'll play around with it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: If you're going to use the alt key, macros are easier
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just go to game -> configuration -> macros
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: otherwise, should be able to look it up in the helpfiles
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, check out the FAQ for the aard MUSHclient package
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://tinyurl.com/aardclientfaq
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: http://www.mushclient.com/scripts/function.php?name=Accelerator
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you won't want to go by the helpfile for accelerators though...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: instead, go to the page on writing macros off the link I gave
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Okay, I will need to use accelerator for what I want, and it shouldn't be hard, but I have a more fundamental question: can I just write my script in notepad and then load it as a plugin? Using the lua syntax for example?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Out of the different syntaxes I might use, is lua as good as any? 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you follow the link I gave (and more importantly to the link that IT gave to the main MUSHclient FAQ)?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Yeah, that's where I'm getting the syntax from.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you shouldn't be using syntax...you should have copy/pasted a plugin that was provided
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Oh I went straight to writing my own. I just found the how-tos there, not preset code.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the page on code.google.com about writing macros...the first link it gives under the Accelerators section says The MUSHclient FAQ has an entry on creating accelerators that you should read here:
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that FAQ entry gives plugin code
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Woooo! It works!
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: Thanks all!
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<3 DJ Matty Tech: I changed my movement to alt+arrow key.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh, I asked last night, but not a lot of activity then. In CMUD, I can trigger and capture a line, and it will capture all the ansi sequences as well. This is great for my note email script - I can actually keep the colors in notes. Is there a way to do this in MUSH?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: the styles tables didn't give what you needed?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he's probably asking more about the how-to rather than the can-it
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm looking over it right now.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Alternatively, you can use the GetStyleInfo function
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: But then you have to specify a line number
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but you can get how many lines there are and just do last line, probably
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but I've always used the style table when I needed to do something like that
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nice, now let's see if I can implement it properly...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, this looks like it might be clunky, though, especially if I have to iterate through each column of a line to make sure I get all color codes... hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm having trouble getting MUSH's mapper to understand custom exits, apparently.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: mapper help cexit
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For instance, Umari's entrance. I have a cexit to 'say umari', but the mapper never uses it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Garthis Tech: prolly have to have a wait in there since its not instant
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The cexit is correct. It links to the proper room.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: set the delay for the cexit?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: However, it refuses to use it, and instead tries to go south.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: is it refusing o use it, or saying umari then just acting like its in the south room ad starting to move before gargoyle actually transfers you
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Refusing to use it.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, that time it worked, going to test something...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Interesting. Now it's using it properly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: from room 36601, type "mapper where 36602"...what does it respond?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I guess it /is/ the delay. Thanks for whoever pointed that out here. It's working now. Hah.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Viper Ophelion smiles happily.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: By the way, 'mapper help cexit' does not exist. ;)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: mapper help cexits
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: sorry, mapper help exits
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: need the s :p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: err no c even mapper help exits
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually need to not have the "c"
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sorvez, you're also incorrect. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I spoke too soon. The delay is only to wait for confirmation. Not quite sure how I would set up a delay in the exit, however.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: end it with the wait()
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, say umari;wait()? Or...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with a number in the ()
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and doubled ;
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: do mapper cexit_wait 10;mapper cexit 'umari
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shouldn't need mapper cexit_wait
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The mapper cexit_wait is only for when creating a new exit. It doesn't actually create a wait state for the exit.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it procs well within the cexit_wait time, so no need to mod that, just need it to know not to walk afterward...wait(1) is prolly enough
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That did it, then. :) Thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: are the parentheses needed for that?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a function
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's shown in "mapper help exits"
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Totally missed that line... d'oh!
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'd be contrasted with things like knossos castle cexit, where you'd need to use cexit_wait <bigger number> to get the cexit to be added correctly, but there doesn't need to be a wait() because you can spam <steps to get to castle> ; <steps after the castle> all in one go
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: omg
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i never knew about that wait function
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: y'all should all type "mapper help all" ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sadly, I had known about it in the back of my mind, and totally forgot about it and missed it in the help exits. :(
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: you all should all? 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli THWAPS you for being a moron. 
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Far too many alls in that sentence.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, the group you should all type the command
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there was precisely the correct number of alls in that sentence
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not for my tastes.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: taste* }:>
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: what area is it that has a genie that has some absurdly long mobprog pause
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shoaram
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm doped up on pills for my back. My mind is slipping.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: etzli: not sure if you've already figured out the styles, but aardmush comes with some functions to parse them, https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/AardwolfColors
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I love the answer to the spelling of color on that page :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm going to take a look through them, thanks, Myrkul. I had an ansitohtml function before, and this seems to convert ansi to rawcolor format (from my brief looking over it, that's what I understand, but I'm also clocked in now, so I'm not paying much attention to it all). If that's the case, I probably can write an rawcolortohtml function, as fun as that will be.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: how do you activate and deactivate trigger groups in mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: EnableTriggerGroup()
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: ("foo", true/false)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: that will work in a trigger?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: /alias?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixtlilton Tochtli Tech: only if you can put an if/then in there...
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: says, unknown command
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You have to change "send to" to script
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: if you're writing code in there
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixtlilton Tochtli Tech: if(foo=true) then (pity=true)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixtlilton Tochtli stares at the sky.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: just trying to figure out how to script in mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: change "send to" to "script" and then type:  EnableTriggerGroup("group_name", true)
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: to enable, and false to disable
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: is there like howto? maybe a "hello world" example?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so what language does it expect "sendto script" to be?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Note("hello world")
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: this documentation is terrible.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: whatever your scripting language is set to
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: whichever language you chose, lua is default.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: in the config menu
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The documentation is far from horrible.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I thought the documentation was rather good
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You get an explanation of everything, broken down by scripting language, from the MUSHclient website.
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: on the website?
T3/r7/2014-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I can't speak for all the docs, but that particular one is very clear.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: basically two different ways you can script
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: either within each trigger and alias, by changing "send to" to script
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: or by having a script file, and having your triggers and aliases call functions in that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: the script file has the benefit of easily being able to share non-string variables
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: also easier to update.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: as soon as you modify the script file, it gets reloaded.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: where can i find information about valid xml tags, arguments/variables and how to use them?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: specific to mushclient, not xml in general....
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thanls, madcatsz, have to remember "Send to script"
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: would probably help A LOT if i could open the help file without third party software
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, MS kind of really dropped the ball on that one.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ms dropping the ball? thats new (ROFL!!!)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: the problem is that mush help is formatted with an old version of help, there is a ms reformatter you can download.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: people ned to stop relying on bs software created by greed-driven corporations.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: im using HelpExplorer3.0 by someperson, somewhere highly recommend
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Kobus: we all need to take small steps toward open source... but a lot of the time those that are already in it are responsible for sending newbies running back in tears :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: Can I ask client questions here?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: YES
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Absolutely not! This is the tech channel, not the client channel. Client isn't a part of te... oh wait, continue on.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But yes, you can ask client questions here. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i get really irritated by a lack of documentation, i realize its easy to forget but if your users dont know how to use your software what good is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: Well, I am using the Aardwolf client on Android, and I was wondering if there is a way to setup different settings profiles?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Like it was said, there's plenty of documentation.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: haha, ive been reading documentation on mushclient for hours and i am still no closer to understanding how to do ANYTHING with it.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you're looking on the website for AardMUSH, you won't see much documentation because it only houses the custom-made AardMUSH client.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli comforts Kobus.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Asuke: I'm not sure, to be honest.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Asuke - there is a lot of customizability with that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: you can have different profile setups - check the helpfile website attached.  It's pretty simple coding.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Personally I had one login load with several differnt button sets
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: Velian: please specify URL.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: so when I login it'll have different options (which character) to play
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Referring to Android Aardwolf App
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: not mush
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: don't know the helpfile but it's in the setting documentation
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: You mean the settings>help/about link?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: aye
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: great, I'll look at that.. thank you
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: .loadset what my favorite command
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: i have so many buttonsets on mine :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: different chars/classes/abilities/speedwalks, etc. each on a different easily click to page.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: My thought is to have the default buttonset be a few buttons with profile names that loadset a menu set for each profile with buttons like comm, combat, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: exactly! cool, I'm so glad I can do something like that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: no information on valid xml tags/variables for mushclient available?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't think people really try to write it in XML.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Though you can easily view some of the plugins to see what you'd need.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: you could examine another plugin to figure that out
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The problem is, you need to generate a unique plugin ID.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thats what ive been doing, so far ive found that "trigger" and "alias" are valid xml tags, with some random variables available
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Which is why it's better to create a plugin using the wizard than it is to write an XML file.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mush plugins are saved in xml format, but other than the alias variable script etc tags there's nothing else in xml
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the way i write a plugin is pretty much copy an old plugin file, delete the stuff inside and write from there :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just have to make a new plugin id
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: need some help with mudlet and mapping
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: ezowalker, I got caught up in a convo about CS vs Software engineering. I sent you a friend request so I won't forget who it was that asked.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: I need to finish a quick quest and then we can talk about the mapper.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: Asuke nice!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: just a basic mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: the biggest thing I can think of is portals, and linking consecutive portals in pathfinding. Everything else like flying, climbing, and other special exits I'm already done with. It handles keys/unlocking/opening automatically while autowalking, as well as marking rooms with custom names like "home" or "wifesmanor" to goto wifesmanor.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: I don't know if there is a way to tell where a portal goes just by looking at it, so probably you will have to enter all your portals once when you install it for it to learn where they go to.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: if you just want to have it map the world as you walk around and you don't care about pathfinding/auto-walking, you can just use it stock as its described in the mudlet manual and ask me questions if something doesn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: ok, how do i enable it now?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: all i get is 'no map or valid position'
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: because you have no map file yet, you'll have to start a new one
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: ahhhh,
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: so how do i start one?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: which version of mudlet are you on?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: 2.0
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: gotcha,  thanks so much
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: yeah, might not work still but hey :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: I'll pastebin a script when it's stable
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: how do i update the aardwolf specific mushclient scripts?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea thats what i have
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: switched to mushclient with wine
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: much easier
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: In a cell in excel, I want to strip everything to the left of the dollar sign.  Anyone know of a way to do this off the top of their head?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: or alternatively, just grab everything to the right of the dollar sign
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: RIGHT(Cell,len(cell)-1)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: the dollar sign can appear anywhere in the cell
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: abc$def
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I want it to return def
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lizza Tech: Can there be more than one $ sign in the cell?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think there's a match or find function, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: will always be just one, Lizza
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: =RIGHT(A1,FIND("$",A1)-1)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, RIGHT(Cell,FIND("$")-1), then.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Dolt.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Thanks!  That seems to work unless the string starts with a $
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: then it just returns a blank string
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, then change it to...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: =RIGHT(A1,IF(FIND("$",A1)=1,LEN(A1)-1,FIND("$",A1)-1))
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Actually...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: =RIGHT(A1,IF(FIND("$",A1)=1,LEN(A1),FIND("$",A1))-1) should work, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Awesome, I think that works
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: (the first one)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The second one was really just shortening it up a bit.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: hehe, i bought a kindle paperwhite with ads and then contacted the support and said i can't use the said ads because i live in estonia. got ads disabled for free
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: thanks obama
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Haha...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: saved 35 bucks
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I just rooted my Kindle Fire and disabled ads that way.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: had it brought over from the states. cost me ca 90 euros vs 143 from co.uk
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if i buy an asus zenbook, would it plausibly be cheaper to buy it in EU and get a VAT rebate when bringing it home?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't think so. everything is more expensive here
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: for example, us kindle: 119 USD, uk kindle: 119 GBP
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: and china kindle $2
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: paperback
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just wondered if the price difference was greater than the VAT
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Is it possible with MUSHclient to get a trigger to fire based on output from the mapper?  I don't seem to be able to make it match even simple text.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: The output is all notes, don't think it's possible to match those.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Darn.  OK.  Thanks.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Depending on what you are trying to do, should check out S&D.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: finger winklewinkle
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Or ask maybe we know another way :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I used S&D, but I like Bast's stuff better.  I just wanted to add something to number the mapper matches to I could do like go and nx with S&D
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: edit the plugin itself
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yeah you'd have to edit the aard_gmcp_mapper plugin file itself to do that.  there is mapper next which will go through them all one by one.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Good idea.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: Thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Just make sure you save the file if you ever upgrade and know you'll have to copy the code over if you download an updated mush mapper file.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: anyone have any ideas why my bast mini cp window may have disappeared? i'm still on a cp, but since turning on mushclient this morning, no cp window
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: reinstalling the plugin or disable/enabling it doesn't seem to do anything
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: what are the cli commands for bast miniwin_cp?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: nvm, think i found it... mcp
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: type plugins should be shown there
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: there we go.... mcp CP toggle did the trick
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezowalker Tech: is Mushclient the best mudclient for linux (with wine)?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useful Hadar Tech: so i was trying to set up the TF from abelincs website that is patched, and i did ./configure --enable-option102 --enable-gmcp ... but it does not seem like they are working, did i miss something?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: Is there a way to save some text files on the web till I get another device ?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Use a cloud, sure.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: dropbox
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or, you know, email them to yourself.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it is good idea to gpg them first
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: iv tried through my hotmail but it won't let me send so much information, what site is that cloud service ?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Dropbox.com, or you can use google docs (better, in my opinion, for what you want)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And... just how much information are you trying to send?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: Great, thanks allot !
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: in one text file is 350 titles of android games
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hotmail's limit, I think, is 10mb, so for a text file, that's gotta be pretty big.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: gaardian.com has a pompeii map i think?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: the file itself is very small, but the ammount of words is allot 
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why not use wiki.aardwolf.com and visit the Area site to get maps? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hotmail goes by file size, not amount of words. It's odd to me that Hotmail won't let you attach/send it.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why attach it? why not just put it in the email itself? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: I'm on phone site though, I don't see attach file option anywhere
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: if I paste it and try to send, it says hotmail detects unusual activity on your account blahblahblah and continue saying I must try for a pc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: on*
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: does anyone here use proxies?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Not in tournament play..
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: i'm sure some people do
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arindel Tech: anyone use cakephp? im having some trouble getting ajax to work on a table
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: yeah, im asking for those proxy people to come up so that i can ask what they use
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i use mushclient, i figured out how to use it with Tor, but for the past few hours i can't connect to Tor network somehow
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i think i need an alternative proxy
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: you want to host a proxy or use an existing one?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: use existing one!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how can i host a proxy when IM the one who's blocked?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: i'm not a psychic, i dont know what your setup is =)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: just google till you find a good one, there's a tonn of lists out there
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i already did that. im so burned out.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and i could get only Tor to work
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: after... a lot of work.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: bobolai, public proxies are notoriously unreliable check into a paid private proxy
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: yes, unreliable but lets just say sending money over to some random person on the internet is too big a problem for me
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: there is software somwhere out there that checks proxies in bunches, till it finds a good one. or you could just copy and paste ip addresses manually into somwhere like this place http://www.ip-adress.com/Proxy_Checker/
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: never purchased anything online before? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: tough for me
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lots of online retailers providing all types of products and services
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i don't want to crack my skull over figuring out how to pay for stuff!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: all you need is a credit card.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: prepaid credit cards work as well...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: grr. i just want a proxy. figuring out how to pay for it? inception?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im on http://www.ip-adress.com/Proxy_Checker/
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how do i check port number?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ignore that sorry
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: MaskMe is a great service for masking credit cards and email addresses. I use it religiously when signing up for sites that I fear are going to send spam email. Then, I can easily block it through MaskMe's site. Their credit card and phone number service, however, cost $5 a month, I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: OMG
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: then grind through lists of public socks5 proxies until you find one that works
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wait oh
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: "cost $5 per month" my problem isn't privacy
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and kobus sounds right
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Bobolai about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: is this for here or somewhere else? We have about 25,000 open proxies banned.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: although admittedly it's a few weeks out of date now.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ...wow
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, yet another problem with using a public proxy
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: unless you're one of the reasons they are banned you'll need a flag set that lets you login even if your site is banned.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: all the things i do to get around a firewall...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: the flag... how is it set?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: what is this like a corporate firewall?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: probably manually by an imm
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: just note imm
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: actually don't bother, you have it.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: haha, that was easy :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai attempts to use the squee social on Lasher.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what does "look into a free shell server with a port forwarder on it" mean?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: a free shell is an account where you can access a linux server (via command line) to run simple apps for your convenience, some people use them for irc bouncers, private proxies, or dedicated clients
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: a port forwarder is a program that accepts connections on one port, and makes a connection to somewhere else on another port linking the two together (similar to a proxy)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: like for mudding
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: so "free shell" doesn't mean "no need to pay money for it"?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: works to run tt++ in console mode on a shell like that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea, free means free
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: shell means linux command line
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: free as in beer
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: does this work? http://www.simpleportforwarding.com/
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you want something like netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Longhu Tech: I wonder what percentage of the players here are IT professonals or software engineers?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: pretty large percentage from who i've talked to
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: i wonder if there are any of those high frequency traders on here *inno*
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i belong to the group of cat-video-watching people with very scant knowledge of these proxy stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Having knowledge doesn't necessarily make them IT professional or software engineers.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have the knowledge of some IT professions, but I'm not one myself. I do it more as a hobby.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i lack the knowledge of an IT professional, and yet I am one
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Longhu falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Netcat is blocked.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: by the firewall im trying to bypass
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli comforts Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: youd need to run it on the shell server, not your local pc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: which is impossible for me?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think some people are getting far too technical and doing more harm than good.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: pretty sure i lack the knowledge to run a shell server, whatever that is!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai is agreeing with that Book of Etzli person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you can copy and paste? and read right?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: idk about reading
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: that could be said for the ability to operate an atomic power plant, but that doesn't mean anyone can or wants to do it
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It might be better to note Bobolai with some step-by-step instructions at this point, something she can continually refer back to.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai wildly nods her head at Book of Etzli... she seems to be in total awe.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or at least, easier.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CF0QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DusMY42hWgTk&ei=kypMU9T3K-emygGzwoH4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHb5ykEARqi9A_KXRaLaSuIjnSIDw&sig2=SVvGJIlqeaRdF_8ssO3BOA&bvm=bv.64764171,d.aWc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: video on making a free shell
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: ffs dude, tinyurl that crap
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: tinyurl ftw
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: jeez you guys are picky
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Haha, never post google links. They're horribly long.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol i make that mistake too
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Go to the site itself and use that url...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: its youtube
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: http://tinyurl.com/mqhc4ml - explains how to install netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood thanks Kobus heartily.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matsuhama Tech: you could send that link as http://youtu.be/my42hwgtk
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: how to install netcat when firewall blocks it?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: http://tinyurl.com/yvz7ku - shows some examples of what you can do with netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you install it on your free shell, probably from your home pc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have a function on CMUD to tinyurl any link. I should recreate it on MUSH... maybe even make it a plugin to say, "http://tinyurl.com/2fasj4 (youtube.com)" :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Please note, I don't know if my psuedolink goes anywhere, but if it does, I am not responsible for the content it shows.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i dont know how to do youtu.be links
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: home pc? must i keep it running all the time?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: We've noticed some unusual activity in your Outlook.com account. To help protect you and everyone else, we've temporarily blocked your account. To unblock it, please sign in from a computer.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: second hotmail accoount doing that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cackle
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: facepalm
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: go get you a garfield.com email account bro.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: fb is better, lol
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hacked?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: fb as in facebook?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: yes facebook
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i tunnel...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: gtf off this channel..
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood slaps Bobolai.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yeah, Microsoft and Facebook are trusted brands, nothing could possibly happen to your accounts there
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Go read the privacy policy and/or lack thereof for your facebook account.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: can't be hacked, iv created a new account 5min ago, it recieves emails just fine, but the moment i hit the send button for new email I get that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: when everyone used Facebook, it's not like i have a choice
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Nice nazi mentality
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sure you do, Bobolai
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: so you are a mindless sheep doing what the masses do for the sake of being like them?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: was this the place to discuss morality?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You always have a choice in email addresses.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Not discussing morality.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: there's a debate channel, meanwhile im figuring out how to tunnel without Tor
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, it's a discussion on security
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: discussing your ability to formulate your own opinions and choices.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: FB is social medial. It's useless for email, in my opinion.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: -l, rather.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why can't you use Tor? :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: She is, but Tor's been disconnecting her lately.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: more like today it decided not to connect
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: etzli: *he
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Bobolai: It*
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I go by finger. I don't assume otherwise.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: If it feels wet its female?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol. im a male with a female char for mmorpg reasons
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: but i digress
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: As did your penis. =\
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's fine. I still don't assume otherwise. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I thought that was regress, Redwood. *halo*
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood laffs at Book of Etzli.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now, back to work, then back to importing Melvin to MUSH.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades flicks his whip across Book of Etzli's bare back. 
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i checked the youtube link
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: doesnt work
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i can't create the shell account, and what is the account for anyway?!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: to run netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: or some other proxying software
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Personally, I'd keep it running on your computer at home, then use TeamViewer to remotely log in and play.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's what I did while I was at school, anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: "I'd keep it running on your computer at home" not an option
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: my parents will turn it off
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Move out.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Keep your computer running, but turn off the monitor?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nah, i have only laptops, and they'll turn off the charger too
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: How old are you?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Outlet under the bed, hide laptop under the bed, problem solved.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Authentic Tech: a/s/l
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Old enough to know better/Not for a while/Bedroom, care to join?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That last section should include "females only invited"...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: "To set up an account, use one of the methods above, and provide "newuser" at the login: prompt. You will not be prompted for a password, and the new account creation process will begin."
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: false. newuser still asks for password. "login incorrect" comes afterwards
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: which site are you on?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the firewall blocking Bobolai is administrated by who (perhaps a school) and is located where (perhaps at school)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: telnet m-net.arbornet.org
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: met-at.arbotion.clinic?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you sure yore using the right username? went to account creation for me
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: 'newuser'
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: what client are you using bobolai? mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wait.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i can connect to m-net.arbornet.org using mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what port number do i put?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: 4010
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: 4000
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: 23 for telnet to the shell
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: 23 if shell
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood looks at Kobus with a pout on his face.  What is he, six?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: not working on mushclient. telnet works... kinds
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: it's like 1996!!! booya!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: maybe mushclient is what is being blocked...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: eeeee errrrrr eeeee chchchcchchchchchchchc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol kobus?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: that's my 14k baud modem
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: antlabs inngate model?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: am i supposed to get that?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: exactly what is Bobolai attempting to do with a proxy that bypasses a firewall - (play internet games while at school - that sb illegal, wasting taxpayers money)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: hrm, i wouldnt say its illegal, a violation of policies sure
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: am i supposed to get "antlabs inngate model" when i try to connect to m-net.arbornet.org with telnet? 
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: its probably the motd
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you should get a prompt like userost$
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: user@host$
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: nope nothing like that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lol..
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: just ANTlabs InnGate model E1000 release 3.00
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: then a login: thing
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so enter your user and pass that you enter when making your account
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: no luck
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: then the firewall is working properly as intended
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lmao
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: might be an activation process, maybe check your email
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: it just gets worse and worse.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you did create an account right?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: my account doesnt work either :\
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i dont even know what account they're talking about
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: hrmmm
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: i can hook you up with an linux account somewheres
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: but wait, i still need to set a netcat thing on my account right?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: one port for netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so when you get these block messages, what do you see?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: because it seems like its not a port-blocking issue, if you were able to telnet to that shell host
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: unles yore using port 4000 to connect to aardwolf
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i think i WASNT able to connect to the shell host
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it sent you information though
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i got blocked, and my firewall asked me to login to THEIR network, antlabs
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: oh
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i see
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: can't telnet to port 23 anywhere?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: or ssh?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: (port 22)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wut is ssh
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: thats what ive been trying to figure out
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: secure "telnet"
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: without proxy, when i connect with mush, i get --- Connected on Day Time ---
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Bobolai is already connected to aardwolf -- the firewall is not blocking that access yet
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im using mudbrowser
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: shitty client
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: so both clients work if you use a proxy?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what do you mean both clients?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: mudbrowser and mushclient...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: mudbrowser always works becuase it's an ONLINE mud client, go visit mudbrowser.com
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: when my proxy works, mushclient works
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i see
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: so even if a proxy is obtained at some server, the server is unlikely to run a copy of aardmushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: zade: yu dont have to run mushclient on the server...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai nods at Kobus.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you run mushclient on your pc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: so exactly where is this mushclient running
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: on bobolai's current workstation
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: my laptop
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: except the home pc is likely to be turned off by the parents
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: which means i can't use the home pc
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the firewall is blocking the mushclient at that workstation
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: its not
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: firewall blocks aardwolf.org
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: not the client
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: no its blocking outbound connections on port 23
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: when i use no proxy and try to connect on mush, i get -- Connected on monday blah blah ---
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and then no message.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: or maybe 4000 also, theres probably a limited number of ports that work, aardmud.org could be in there too but who knows, either way running your own proxy will bypass both issues
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: i don't use port 23 here
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i can run my own proxy?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: bobolai, yea thats what ive been trying to help you do :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: in the end i still have to connect to something that isn't blocked, and connects to the outside world (aka aardwolf.org)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: so why can't you get your own data stream?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: you do have a phone with 4g capabilites you could tether?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: no.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: kinda why im here asking
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: dustpuppy, do you have a server/common port available for netcat'ting? smtp is a good one that shouldnt be blocked
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: sorry. never heard of netcating until today
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: is the school likely to be monitoring port usage
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: aard should offer an alternate telnet port (which I think they do, but can't be sure)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: isn't it 4000?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: pretty basic, listens on the port you want, accepts connections and forwards them to a server and port you specify
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: check help ports
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: its a very small program, netcat is what its called
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: just a really smiple way to proxy a connection
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i can't even set up a shell account to set up netcat on sadly
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: well dont feel bad, i tried that shell host and my account wasnt activated
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wait what?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i didn't even get anything related to starting an account
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: they just asked for login and password
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: kept telling me login incorrect
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you got redirected :p
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: exactly.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: are you saying i should set up the shell account at home?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: probably
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: another problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im reading the websites you gave me
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Kobus, are you also at school
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: no...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: the tinyurl ones
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i do not understand them
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: Just un-compress and untar it:  tar -zxvf netcat_file_name.tgz  cd into the newly created netcat directory? 
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: untar? cd? what?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: if you get a shell, ill give you a list of commands you can copy and paste
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: about 4 days later i think
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: some of the shell hosts might already have netcat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: or make it easy to install
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: a good business practice by proxy-providers is to exclude and or deny requests coming from schools -- there is no money in servicing truants
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: so another problem i guess.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: dont listen to zade lol
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: that may explain why Tor is not connecting
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: except it used to work
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you probably just need to switch nodes
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: switch nodes what is that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: nm, thats something else though it could help, try just refreshing your connection to tor or whatever. i dont have it installed right now so i cant even say what to do exactly
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: refresh connecttion?!
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: oh. sorry.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: there are a lot of children, and if they were all creating accounts on proxy servers to play internet games, that is going to cause some congestion and extra costs, and illiteracy, and extra failures on the welfare roles later, plus extra taxes to pay for that welfare, and then maybe eventual legislation regulating internet games 
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Zade, stfu.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: China is already doing that somewhat
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Im pretty sure people in china are more worried about things than internet gaming.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: they aren't
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: oh wait, that's south korea
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: China was concerned as to excessive internet addiction
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: New survey shows Chinese more concerned with internet gaming than any other issue - http://www.foxnews.com/china-concerned-internet-gaming/
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Zade never has anything useful to say. It's why it's on ignore, and will always continue to be there.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Its not even that the stuff he says is useless. its usually pulled out his ass or completely irrelevant.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it seems very troll-like
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ergo, useless. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: always to the counter-point of whatever topic is being discussed
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Flak is agreeing with that Kobus person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: I would call him a troll. But he is more like Aard's Forest Gump, minus the heroism.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You should have been around for the tinfoil days, Kobus.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lol, ah the legend of the tinfoil days
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Seuss is probably still my all-time favorite troll.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Jilted was good too.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Some people are enjoyable trolls.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i usually get a kick out of them
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Some people try too hard.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I sometimes troll people, but I'm not an ass about it. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or rather, I try not to be. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: try.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I still always get a giggle out of this (which will now cease to work until reset) -> tech -h intelligence -> No history on the tech channel containing intelligence.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: http://xkcd.com/1354/
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: i have a question - is there a aardwolf mush client for mac?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: since my linux laptop broke (the damn screen got cracked by silly kids)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Mushclient runs under WINE, can you get that to run on OSX?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nebmaatre nods at Birdbrain Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: dunno
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: in theory your linux solution should work on mac
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: wine for mac? interesting concept
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, the aard MUSHclient package works fine on Macs
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: i do have the .db stored in a cloud, updated about a hour ago
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: wine, wine is good.. wine is always good.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: works fine natively in the OSX environment?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: I use Mush+Winebottler
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: on osx that is
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: natively brings nothing to the table
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: using potato, not impressed
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: works or doesn't...and it works.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: is there a difference between winewrapper, winebottler, etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: or are they all pretty much the same
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are differences
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: (on OS X)
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: speaking of potato, where the hell is my clannie? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: significant differences, or differences when it comes to personal preference?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're all based on the same thing, just each has different focus...kinda like different linux distros
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty much any of them will do the same thing for running MUSH
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I installed TF last week
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: anyone with a mac have adobe reader and acrobat installed?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: just reader
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: bleh
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s272/sh/1331a23c-7ba5-4e09-8549-b125d4794049/39a507112ef7273caea44b0b26dfe390
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: I thought that was part of the propaganda software everyone gets when they buy a new comp.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: I cant figure out why reader is clear, while acrobat pro has not so clear text
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: you've been told before you shouldn't think, ana
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that library folder ships with an example rc file
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: or *crisp
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: for the same pdf?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Different zoom levels?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: holliday: clear vs nonclear would be antialiasing setting
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: yup, just posted a link, they are both at 100%. Ahh didnt check that
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: they seem to be the same font, but hard to compare because of the fontsize.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NULL-A Anaristos Tech: you may be losing resolution and lower fontsizes.
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, I was directed to a site talking about aardwolf_colors.lua and the StylesToColours function (whatever the full name is), but I can't seem to find an aardwolf_colors.lua file. I tried the colors.lua file, but it doesn't seem to have that function, either. Am I missing something?
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's in the plugins folder rather than the mushclient\lua folder
T3/r7/2014-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Anyone know why I keep getting this error when I 'xset mark'? http://pastebin.com/uW66XzGt
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: database is locked
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Probably a permissions problem
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you get it because winkle's writing to the mapper's database, and he's not using mapper tools to do so
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: What can I do to avoid the error?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so both tools/plugins are trying to access the same file at the same time
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't do that
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Don't do xset mark?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Okay, on another note, what can I do to avoid winkle from changing the first room of each area?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle doesn't change the first room of each area
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: use telnet!
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Maybe I should make my own sw script..
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't really need a sw script...but if you'd like to replicate winkle's mapper extender, I'd recommend using your own database file rather than trying to commandeer the mapper's
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't really even need a database file, just plugin variables would be fine
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Seems Mush running on wine only 'crashes when opening the File menu' when in full screen
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Abe, by using just variables, is it possible to replicate winkle's? Like when I do 'frt glim', and my variable is glimmerdim, how do I make it so that it will default to the glimmerdim variable?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: Winkle's in such situation uses SQL query to get oldest room in desired area, then uses just mapper goto <room id>
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Yeah that's what I plan to do, but not thru sql. I'll cram all the areas in a script
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: then you can just use plain aliases: alias "frt glim" "mapper goto 22222" 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: What if I wanted "frt glimmerdim", but also "frt glimmer", "frt glimm" etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I want the script to be able to match the nearest search term to the default term
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that depends probably on your client capabilities (I assume you don't use mush otherwise you could use S&D)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I use mush. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: when using echo is that sent to the mud? or can someone else se what you echo?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: no-one else can see what you echo
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: okay
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: is there any mushclient command that is similar to echo?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: like #showme "blaha"
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: world.note
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what do you mean? which language
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lizza Tech: Doesn't echo work? When I type echo blah it shows blah?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: you could try print ("blah blah") or Note ("blah blah") for lua
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: that's being echo'd from the mud
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lizza Tech: Ah. Sorry.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: but it works lizza
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: world.note what is the command to make an echo from mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfiring Anaristos Tech: world.note is the echo command
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: world.note "blaha" doesnt work for me. but echo "blaha" works.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just use Note()
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, Note("blah blah")
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Make sure you use the prefix, too, usually \\\.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: Invalid note option. See 'help note' for more details. note (blaha)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, you're not using the script prefix, which you need to do to avoid sending it to the MUD.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So type \\\Note("blah blah blah")
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: works
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: \\\Note("blah blah blah") why doesnt this work in an alias? but i can type it that works?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: have you set it to send to script?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: okay
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: when i send it to script. Compile error
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderax Tech: if you put it in an alias dont use the \\\
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: okay thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: hmm that is weird, all my bast plugin just disappeared
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: which version of the normal blowtorch client is most stable? I'm not refering to blowtorch-aard from playstore
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the latest beta is pretty nice, haven't used it for more than some light testing
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: Is it neccesary to apply a protective plastic film protective sheet on an IPS mobile screen ?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_vV-JRZ6E
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: pr0n
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Walkman pr0n.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I am a bit confused. In my plugin, I have the following: local res, charv = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval","char")... located in the OnPluginBroadcast. Yet, when I open MUSH, I'm getting: [string "Plugin"]:177: attempt to index field 'char' (a nil value)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Isn't that a valid field?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And it references that particular line.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: I don't know this programming language but, did you define char?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's what the CallPlugin is about.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh wait!
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Did you define it in the plugin? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think I might have figured it out now.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I was looking at the wrong line, and I'm pretty sure I figured out what my issue is now, whee!
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In MUSH, when you define a Lua variable to a plugin, is it specific only to that plugin? Meaning, could I have three plugins referencing "sysgmcp" as a Lua variable without any cross interference?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: weird, it looks like I might actually miss the entire life cycle of Windows 8.  MS is abandoning it after May 13th, putting it in the same boat as XP.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, really? After they pushed out updates for 8.1?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yeah, right in the middle of Heartbleed, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: did they stop updates for Windows 7?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volarius Tech: lol...  it is funny, the only one that could have killed microsoft was...  microsoft..  and they're certainly trying their best :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Super weird.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not sure if they stopped on 7, but I keep getting occasional updates and automatic restarts.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: By the way, it's only Windows 8.1. Windows 8 users will still receive security patches until January 2016.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: is this a joke about microsoft ditching Win8 pc buyers at January 2016 or sooner
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, it's not a joke
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not surprising imo, they spend too much resources supporting extremely old operating systems
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: e.g. xp
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They've stopped supporting XP, so they don't have that excuse anymore.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: WinXP was actively supported for like 13 years, so I guess everybody got used to it being the norm.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: that wasn't how long they wanted to support it
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They had no choice, pushing out crappy OSs, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: is there a Win9 replacement
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: regardless, the precedent set my winxp will take a while to recover from
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i miss 95/98, best OS ever
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: Win9 hasn't come out yet, Zade.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Windows 7 was definitely stable enough for them to drop support, but I think by that time, a lot of their fanbase died down.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: there is nothing wrong with xp, xp is awesome
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volarius Tech: hopefully win9 will be good...  xp was good, win7 was good....  good seems to skip a generation :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i have no issues with windows 8
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They're bringing back the start button in Win9.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: The noxp command cannot be abbreviated.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: YAY
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli peers intently at [Deputy] Trurien.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: that's what they said with windows 8.1
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: win8 is to user friendly
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't get that. :(
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: but do you have to click the "Start" button to shut down?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: aww, no more ... "We know what the customer wants, so shut it." from MZ?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: MS*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i think that'd be apple's mantra, not ms
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Apple's Mantra is "Same shit, different price."
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: err, wasn't the whole point of Win 8.1 to add the start button back to the OS?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volarius Tech: win8 is the equivalent of me telling you that a unified interface is good and desirable...  in your vehicles...  your car, boat, plane, and motorcycle...  and we settled on motorcycle handlebars, in all of them.  its obviously better :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or rather, "different model"
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hanslanda: It was, but it wasn't the same.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: All it really did was bring up the charms menu.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or a variation of it. It wasn't the start menu we're used to.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i use the search anyway, win7 broke my love of the start button
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: but that's what everyone said. "They're bringing back the start menu in Windows 8.1". the cake was a lie
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: eh, the button is there, the start menu changed
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: didn't that drop the price for win8 recently?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: compared to the $30 early upgrade cost?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: are you able to get a classic win xp feel in win8?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: they made it free for tablets and phones
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: as in theme?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volarius Tech: with 3rd party utilities like classic shell, sure
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: yea theme
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i think so
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: you really can't make it like xp luna
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: never really tried tbh
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: im still on xp so i'll ride it to death
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: xp for mudding, win 7 for games and osx for everything else...
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wow that sounds like a lot going on
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: my spare comp will run XP til it dies.. coz it wouldn't accept win7  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: - and debian on my servers of course
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I use an old XP system for my printer
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: you can add a better start menu via start8 or classic start, which does work better than what MS has dished out.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i use 8.1 for everything
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: drivers aren't updated to Windows 7 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: what are you using for "security updates" on XP 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: on my one computer
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly though, for a crowd like us that plays a text based game in a graphics heavy gaming world... i'm not surprised we collectively resist change so much
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: not overly concerned for xp updates
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i don't play over hyperterminal, i'm not that change averse
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lol scars
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: nods scars  if it aint broke dont fix it :p
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: and viruses can't be transferred through muds right?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lizza Tech: No. Only addictions. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: only the virus of stupidity, as has been demonstrated by so much drama sourcing from the same people over and over
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: theoretically possible. but no-one would bother attacking such a small target
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ahhhhh
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I send viruses to people via tells
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ITI's
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Starling: That's not quite how cyber sex works.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: lololol
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You know even less about it than I do :(
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: who is paying the virus-producers to produce viruses 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i am, tax deductions ftw
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: spammers generally pay for the botnets they produce
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: sort of like a black market Amazon AWS
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if "security updates" are the reason that folk are supposed to upgrade the OS on their pc, then from a financial perspective, microsoft may be deliberately "enabling" the hackers to produce viruses and trojans and other nasties
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that has to be the most trolly things i've heard today
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: one of the*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: that's why i advocate running win 98
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I have yet to see a MS DOS 6.22 virus on any website I've visited.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: i have yet to see many websites in dos at all
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Funny, since security updates are free... if MS were making money on it, I could see that happening. Go back to your troll cave, please.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That's my troll cave, stay out of it
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: a billion company unable to design an OS that is impervious to viruses, trojans, malware, nasties -- strange
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: if you read the post, Etzli, you'd realize you missed something there
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: there is no such thing as perfect security
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: unless you turn it off
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it's not strange
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: microsoft earns money by scaring customers into updrading
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: air gap helps
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: microsoft earns money by scaring customers into upgrading
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: air gap helps, but still not imperverious
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: my god, can you please go back to your jesus nonsense on debate
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh, upgrade the OS, still doesn't make sense.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: it's much impossible to build something impervious to failure. i don't know anyone stupid enough to claim to have done such a thing.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: there is so much wrong with your trolljob on this one it hurts
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If they continue to drive customers away with their lack of security, it'll wind up costing them more money to produce a new OS than it would to do the security patch.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: because that's totally happened with oracle, apple
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza chuckles at Loony Lachdanan's joke.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if customers left because the company did terrible things, most of the fortune 500 companies would be out of business
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Wyza: If ALL the customers left, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But you get fanboys.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: eh, no, even if you got 50% to leave
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that'd be enough to cause a collapse
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: anyone heard of integrity-178B?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but look, Comcast, which by all accounts is terrible, still manages to control the masses access to the net
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's because they're a monopoly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Win 95, Win98, Win98se, ME, Win2000 series, XP, Vista, Win7, Win8 Win8.1, Win9  -- lots of (nasty? dirty? underhanded?) tricks to force customers to "upgrade"
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: that's because the US done screwed up the approach to the internet back in the day
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: When you own pretty much the only cable in the area, then no one has a choice.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: windows is a monopoly on an OS that can run windows programs well (WINE does not count)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i love linux, use it at work all the time, but for gaming, windows is still king unfortunately
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Always will be, too, sadly, unlesss someone can replicate Windows with a whole new OS.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And yeah, WINE does not count.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lulz, dodge that copyright lawsuit if ya did too
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: replicating the OS isn't the problem, Linux is solid and completely capable, of replacing windows, IF software companies start producing linux versions of all their software
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Really, if companies started developing more games for other OSs, like ChromeOS, and Linux, there might be a decline for MS.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at None the Wyza.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: linux has seen a big upsurge in gaming support in the last 3 years in no small part thanks to steam
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Scars, how was the approach to the internet screwed
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Steam is pretty awesome.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the approach was screwed as soon as the internet wasn't classified as common carrier
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: what is a "common carrier"
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: think, phone company
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it means one cable line, multiple providers
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: basically, one of the basic items is that you can't produce the content AND control the lines to distrobute that content 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the theory was that we would see providers building the infrastructure alongside each other trying to compete for market share, but the tards in DC didn't consider how effing expensive it is to build the infrastructure
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: it leads to the fracturing we see now with things like verizon and netflix.  Verizon owns redbox which is a direct competitor to netflix, so they intentionally degrade netflix on their network (well, no one can prove it, but netflix has shown terrible numbers in terms of speed on verizon).
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: never heared of verizon or redbox before now 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wait, seriously?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: Verizon is the largest Mobile carrier in the US
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: verizon... major cell phone carrier, verizon... you've never heard of them?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well im not in the US so why should i have
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in the end it has resulted in the US going from the leader in the internet speed to something like 38th
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: my god, don't participate in a US centric conversation unless its about politics plz
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i understood it all till you brought in verzion :P
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: ISPs see no reason to increase their speeds because they have enough money to make it illegal for them to have competition
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, google and fiber start-up providers might be the nudge we need
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they've all been fined by the feds on several occasions for non-compete agreements such that they never compete with eachother thus creating an effective monopoly in most markets
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods at <pretitle> Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wish i lived in austin or KC or provo :(
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: move
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: moving for faster internet feels like a shortbus decision unless i rely on it for my livelihood, which i don't
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: and yet i don't want google gettingmore of my data'
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and my shit att dsl connectin handles aard just fine :P
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: google has all my data, i'm on the internet
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and of course being on the internet means the NSA has all my data too
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i don't care if google has all my data
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: because if it's not google, it's someone else
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i figure if i ever lose both my PC and my backups, I can call up the NSA and ask for a restore
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and really, whatever
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at None the Wyza and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: lasher has all your data
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: save harddrive space, use the NSA
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: Network Server-based Archives, heh
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: Not Serving America, imo
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in any case, fiber startups are the most hopeful thing i've seen in recent years
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: did ya know that chattanooga (sp??) in tennessee has fiber?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it's a bit expensive, but there's no competing for speed
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: unrelated: wtf you're still t2? i thought i leveled slow
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you MIA for a while?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yeah, WoW stole my soul for 5 years
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i managed to escape
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: oh, yeah, that'll do it
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: glad to have ya back
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: welcome to trollville, where's zade speaks even though we beg him not too
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: to*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: wow got me for 2 months. leveled and geared a druid, down LK in 10 man pre nerf, and realized people there are too stupid to be worth yelling over vent to get out of defile. so i quit.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: where*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: that was an all around terrible message
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: honestly i stayed as long as a I did because i got into a good guild of folks.  Alot of the time spent was like here, just hanging out
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i played wow for... 3 or 4 months back in 2005?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the community kept me more than the game
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: what happened?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: time moved on, folks slowly left, ended up only like 3-4 of us
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, i get that
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he realized he was paying for something he could get for free here in Aard.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Aard + functioning imagination > WoW
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, i have never "imagined" anything there
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it's always just been words to me
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: its not that i lack imagination, i've just never cared to think about what it'd be like going through the "dangerous" halls of "Child's Play" fighting off... children, and mice...
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods at <pretitle> Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: plus, aard is a far better "casual gaming" experience than any other game i've played
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: unless you're playing single player starcraft or something, there's not many games where you can stop playing and go do something else in under 10 seconds at almost any time
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Zade seeks "the truth", get right in there into the controversial, stir up the muck, process the crude (ore), get at the insights.  But some dislike "the truth"
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: ore is not crude.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you know what i really hate? people who talk in third person
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: your truth is like a specch from a last place finisher at a special olympics event.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: speech*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i think specch was right, given the context
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood is agreeing with that <pretitle> Scars person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: "he that is last shall be first" - biblical quote (loosely paraphrased)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood hides his face in his palm after seeing what Zade did.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: just remembered my other thing that i hate... biblical phrases that are paraphrased out of context to mean something radically different that the source
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Stroke My Redwood crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to <pretitle> Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: than the*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: man, typing is not my strong suit tonight
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: tonite* imo
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zade is on a roll today :D
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: Zade....i just....are you Kojiro's alt?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Zade, the only thing on a roll is that hot pocket half that dropped from your swollen gullet and landed in your rolling valley of a stomach.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wow, i realy hope so
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the idea that kojiro and zade could be online simultaneously makes me sad
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: too descriptive and personal redwood, be more vague and try again
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: No, kojiro is annoying but never goes full-retard.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stroke My Redwood Tech: Zade is 'simple jack' styles.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Is there a way to check whether a trigger is truly enabled within a plugin on MUSH?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I know about EnableTrigger("Trigger",true/false), but how do you check if it's really enabled or not?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Never mind, found it.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: test with echo <text> ?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's the problem - doesn't tell me if it's enabled and something wrong with my trigger pattern, or if it's disabled and I'm not enabling it properly.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But I found my answer.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Apparently my EnableTrigger isn't enabling it.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Super weird - I have an if statement. Everything in that if statement fires. But EnableTrigger("Trigger",true/false) does not, and I've no clue why not. I can set it to true manually, and it fires... but I need to disable it at some point, too...
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yoshi Tech: is ur trigger named "Trigger"?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "Trigger" is just a placeholder in that above example...
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But thanks, you solved it.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: talk nerdy to me :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: Umm, I like gigs?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: I met a girl who understands binary. Reckon I can make it to second base?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: one base at a time?
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yoshi Tech: 1110101
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: depends on your definition of second base :P
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikochett Tech: I'm gonna google your twitter with my yahoo
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: I married a girl who understands binary :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfiring Anaristos Tech: that would 10's base.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: just use all 1's cant say no :p
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfiring Anaristos Tech: 10th, rather :)
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Once I finish this Plugin, I'm going to release it out to the MUD! *halo*
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gwynyfar gets all twitterpated
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then you all can feel my fury!
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bummer. Doesn't seem to be a way to determine what was the last macro executed in MUSHclient.
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: no ive never seen one
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's GetInfo(), which will tell you what type of action was done (typing, macro, etc), but it doesn't tell you WHAT that action was. :\
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: is 38c running warm at basically idle for an asus dcii card
T3/r7/2014-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Eh, it'd be nice if room.info included a "lastdir" since they have a "wrongdir"
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: bast, you there? 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What do you need help with?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: nothing really, just thought of a new feature (that as far as I know does not exist) 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ooh, I'm curious. What new feature?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: a script that predicts hour of double
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: hehe I thought that manually typing 'vis' could set a timer that wait's.. say 10s... before restoring invis/hidden spells
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: just enough to get past mobs that require you to be seen... 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I normally stack. vis;nod elf
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: does that work? but sometimes you need to be vis when entering a room (goals mainly..)
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It works, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And vis;n works, too.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: awesome! can't believe I havent tried that :) 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now back to my plugin creation.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It works, but it doesn't.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: wait a sec... 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: in sahuagin, after nodding elf... is the area really small or am i missing something? 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: find the down exit into maze
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There are four princes to visit.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's a down exit into the maze, however, from each prince.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or whatever they are.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: bleh... sounds like the cp will take a bit longer than usual
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: might help to hunt 1.prince 2.prince etc...what is your mob?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: sahuagin enforcer, should be in persuation chamber
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: damn, i don't know that one. sorry!
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: I always end up in some small area where I have to recall and restart... 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: anyway.. wrong channel for that... thanks guys! 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: sometimes if you open down in that area in the nw corner you can get into Subaqueaous maze
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dochyel Tech: anyone familiar with the blowtorch client for mobile? Its kind of unstable on my galaxy S4, but I seldom had problems on my other 2 phones. is there a setting or encoding I should use for this? 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: not that i'm aware of. it's run fine on all devices i've thrown it at, gingerbread to kit-kat.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai . o O ( why did Android decide to use sweets in the names of the various versions )
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: because everyone likes sweets?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: kit kat? i thought it was key lime pie?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: hard to forget
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i googled. interesting news
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: why did apple choose big cats? why did AMD choose islands? in the end, any name is better than a number.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: sweets are a good idea actually, lol
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: they're unlikely to run out any time soon.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: they actually got permission to use the term Kit Kat
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: nestle probably paid them
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bobolai gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: it's pretty cheap advertising
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wow...
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: my hard drive is almost full.  suggestions?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: delete stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: accessories, tools, disk cleanup
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: windows pc?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: delete your port stash
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: lil no really yes win seven
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: run a disk cleanup, might be a lot of temporary files you can free up space
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: move all mp3 and pictures, and videos to dvd.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: then if theres not much space after that, go to control panel and add/remove programs
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Davos Tech: uninstall unused programs/games
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: use windirstat to graphically represent what's taking up the space, you might find some junk you obviously don't need
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i did that flak
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: DVD? boggle, what are we back in the earl 2000's?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i think my hard drive has a parasite
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods at Dolt.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: also check for cbslog files, those can get huge if you have them
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: buy one of those rack things and more hard drives to swap in.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I havent seen him on tech that often
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: oooo time travel :)
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: windirstat is a good idea
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i feel old :(
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think Aardwolf has a few parasites. *shifty*
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: Kojiro already got rid of unwanted programs?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: We should eradicate them.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: also, do you use outlook?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: definitely some unpleasantly permanent files we could clear out there...
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i cant decide what to delete and yes on outlook
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: your ost file might be getting huge
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: I remember when my pc had two floppy drives and no hard drive. that's old :)
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: External hard drives, bigger one.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: I hear mudclients take up a tone of room - remove those
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Really, just get a bigger hard drive.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: just go buy one of those cheap 2TB external drives
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ost files can sometimes get over 5GB
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: as much as 20 or 30 GB
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: my pst files are monstrous
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wirri Tech: you use itunes?  use your pc to backup iphone?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: your old emails?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i have one wyza
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: you can compress pst files
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: no to itunes
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/reduce-the-size-of-outlook-data-files-pst-and-ost-HA010356311.aspx
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: only if i archive right
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: nah doesnt have to do it through archiving
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: theres actually a menu option to compress them
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: but archiving would probably help prevent this from becoming a problem again 6 months from now
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: file, account settings, data files, compact now
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: in outlook
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Of course, if you really want to compress things, open up a cmd prompt, then type format c: /y
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i only have eight gb free of five hundred.  wld that hurt performance
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If it's fragmented, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: probably not much
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Otherwise, probably not.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: ... modern drives dont fragment
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: you might want to turn off cached exchange mode for your outlook if your osts are getting huge
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So you think.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yes, they do
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: modern drives fragment just like old drives, less so, but still do
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: unless you have a SSD
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at None the Wyza.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: cached exhchange mode what is that
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in which case fragmentation is a good thing
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: cached exchange mode makes you able to access your email files when you're offline
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: stores a local copy
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: also, windows has serious performance issues when you get below 10% free space, it expects it to be there to shuffle things around
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why is fragmentation a good thing for SSDs?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oo, totally forgot about that.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/turn-on-or-off-cached-exchange-mode-HP001232935.aspx
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because SSDs speed is based on spreading the data across many chips
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if all the data was on just 1 chip, you'd have much slower read / write speeds
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: defragging an SSD also will severally shorten its life since it has a limited number of read/write cycles and defragging does a TON of IO
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: do defragging is bad for an SSD?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: extremely
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: yeah, and useless
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: damn, did not now that, thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: know that
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: wow i can't type at all right now
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the only thing you accomplish is slowing the drive down and shortenning its lifespan
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: thanks for the info, very good to know.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: indexing SSDs is also  useless
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: again because the time to seek the drive is the same everywhere
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it's only helpful with physical disks to reduce seek times when it has to physically move to read a single file or find contiguous free space to write
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods at Dolt.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: Kojiro also might want to go to c:/ in windows explorer and right click and go to properties on each folder to see what is taking up so much space
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: could at least narrow it down to a specific folder
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: then from there figure out whether you need it or not
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: pretty sure its a tapeworm eating my memory
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: System of a Down -- Tapeworm
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: can i just run two drives at once and make them work together
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: you can but you probably don't want to
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: if you get two large magnets and hold them up to each hard drive i think it could join them conceivably
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: like maybe designate one for games and another for everything else but wo revooting
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Flak looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: get another drive and make it a D:\ volume and install your games there, sure.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: enough duct tape and superglue will do it if the magnets dont
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i'm thinking a mind meld might work as a backup plan
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: dolt i cant tell if joking or serious
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: that's serious, when I said you wouldn't want to it was about the 'making them work together' part. There's ways to combine them into 1 logical large drive, but if 1 fails you're screwed. Keep them separate and it's no problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: cool thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: id rather throw money at another drive than delete atuff i might want later
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: why did u write d. volume
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it comes after c
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: ok but why volume
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: do kids these days even know why hard drives default to c and not a or b
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: kids these days don't even know what a C: drive is
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it's just another term.. you could have more volumes on one physical drive.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: they don't know what the save icon is
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: my harddrive defaults to /
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly at [Outlaw] Drakoth.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I know why, it's because an iconic beer company copyrighted A and B.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfiring Anaristos Tech: because a and b where disquette drives
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: ahh, the days when i was amazed I could fit 1.2mb on a disk only 5 inches wide.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: dude, do you remember zip disks?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: oh man, 100mb on a single disk! it was godly
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I remember 8" floppy disks...
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: i have a stack of zips on my desk.  and jaz disks
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: sure it'd take 2 hours to fill it because it wrote so slow :)
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but you could store EVERYTHING on it
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: haha zip disks
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i thought it was awesome having 100MB on a disk
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i used to have a tape drive. 
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i think i still have my iomega zip drive
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: cassette tape.
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: tape drives are still used in enterprise applications
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: connected through freaking parallel port or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: or was it serial
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: don't have the drive anymore, just haven't gotten around to tossing the disks.  so much old porn
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they are still great for doing large scale backups
T3/r7/2014-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: you can get upwards of 4TB on a single tape
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: can anyone help me with an ssl error I'm getting from the updates plugin for mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: is there something wrong with my mapper/SnD? sometimes when i go xrt <...> it inputs outerspace;enter 2.portal (as a substitute to go to recall)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: check mapper portals and see if you have one set as your recallportal
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it should be red
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i don't have a recall portal
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: it could just be an ordinary portal too, have you got one that the command for is outerspace;enter 2.portal? or just outerspace?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: hmm... somehow i do have such a portal mapped but the alias for it has disappeared in mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i deleted the portal, problem should be solved
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: hello...im having trouble with the inventory plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: mine or basts?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: basts i think
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: good!
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: was it just one file i need to download?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I mean, you know...not for you
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: haha Madcatz
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: read the install directions?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: yalp
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: well, its "one" file in so much as it is a zip file, filled with like 30 other files :P
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: hi
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hi!
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: is this tech support?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: yes, please hold and wait for the next available representative.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Depends, what is your problem/
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: We're sorry, all of our representatives are busy. If you'd like to receive a call back, which will retain your position in the queue, please press 1.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: (ignore them)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: I'm having trouble saving my aliases and triggers upon exiting mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: this isn't the tech support channel is it ^^
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: It is, they're just being dorks. This is the tech channel. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: Etzli.. can I ask you something about the error upon plugin install notes you posted on the tech board?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You don't need to save your triggers and aliases separately.  They're saved as part of your world file saving
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli looks at Loree ponderingly.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: So just need to make sure you save your world file
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, go for it, Loree.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: I'm getting "error loading module 'ssl.core' from file '.\ssl.dll': The specified procedure could not be found." on starting Mushclient.. have you seen that at all?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: that might be the issues, it does not seem to be able to save to Aardwolf.mcl
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, do you have Lua for Windows installed?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: no :(
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If so, you'll need to remove the lua path from the windows environment variable.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Weird.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And you have the latest version of Aard MUSH?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: yes.. but it only seems to happen when it's calling https from github
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, I've no clue then... :\
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: it states upon exit, "world variables  have changed. save them to Aardwold.mcl?" And then I get "access denied to Aardwolf.mcl"
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Fanor, where do you have MUSH stored?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: thanks for trying to help.. I might download a copy of mushclient and try to install over the unzipped aardclient
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Loree.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: the file directory?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: i.e. C:\Program Files?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: windows - program (86) - Spel - mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's probably what it is, then.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Windows doesn't like to save to Program files.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorick Tech: Do I sense a Swede?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's why most people will do something like C:\MUSH
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: yes you do 
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: ^^
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: ok so I just move the folder and see if that works
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: is 58 C a reasonable/normal temperature for a netbook cpu at idle/low power?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ye
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: how about 90 C and hotter under load?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mm probably not
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: this with fans running, and also sitting on one of those auxiliary cooling platform thins
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: depending on your environment
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: depends on so many things some systems tahts fine... others its stupidly hot
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google your cpu
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: apparently the heatsink compound in this model of computer isn't very good, thinking of having it worked on anyway (broken piece of headphone jack rattling around inside it), might have them redo the thermal compounds too.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but in all likelihood the thermal paste has worn out or something
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: Same problem here Starling :(
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's why you get a desktop! :p
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: probably needs dusted out too, all that oilfield rock dust in there... :P
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so you don't have to ask someone to do every little thing
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: so if you put your netbook on your lap, it'll give you 2nd-3rd degree burns
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loree recommends Arctic Silver compound.. or if you can afford it, some of the diamond thermal paste
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: desktop not portable enough though :(
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: unless I want to lug around a car battery and an inverter too ;)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: didn't ibm develop really solid rugged laptops?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i know the army here uses them, dustproof water proof etc
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I've liked my Lenovo except for the headphone jack breaking through normal use
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: redryn: low performance, but enough to mud.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: and of course, the other one getting liquid spilled
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ibm thinkpads i think
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: they were bought over by lenovo? or something
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Lenovo is/was IBM, they sell the thinkpads now
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Lenovo, yeah.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: and i think the army doesn't use thinkpads
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: depends on which army
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: the army over "here"
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Army probably uses toughbooks or similar
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: here  = my here :p
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: same place as my here
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nah, we use them in the airforce
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: zomg airforce so rich
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and paid through the nose for them
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 5 digits for a laptop set thing :p
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: the army uses toughbooks for outfield purposes
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ridiculous
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: that's paying way too much in terms of sgd
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: they also paid like a thousand for a waterproof mouse
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yep ridiculous
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: they should just get alienware so all the clerks can play dota
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: hahaha
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if there was an avenue to report gross misuse of public funds i would totally do it :p
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: Hi I just tried changing the path directory to C: only, and now it works! Aliases are being saved and no error message upon exit
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fanor Tech: thank you very much for you help
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you are welcome!
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: does anyone else use blowtorch and have it hang when you stack a few commands?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: yep
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: can't even stack dirs
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Guys please help me.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: with?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Trying to put a w2 through adobe onto a website. It's all linked into an application process.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: I'm on windows 7 ultimate and I have the site on my allowance list in security, but it wont freaking upload
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: idk what to do and i need to finish this app...
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: umm are you using IE?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: firefox
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: try using ie?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: how to remove the wolf graphic in the background in MUSHclient?  I already deleted the file from the images folder.  
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: oh.. i thought my monitor was dusty:p
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: did you restart mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: why you hate da woof
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: woof woof
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: can't think of anything else to remove that graphic?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zorick Tech: Incense and a catholic priest
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: =h
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: lol!
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: hello
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i am having a problem with my mapper in mushclient.  there's a big black "tear" that moves along the lower right portion of the map...like some of the data is missing
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i tried reinstalling the map any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: does bast miniwin_cp handle gquests as well?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: there is a separate plugin for gquests
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: zomg i want that
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: just added it, thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if you use miniwin_events, it combines miniwin_gq, miniwin_cp, and miniwin_quest into one window
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: omg
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: with tabs. see here: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/miniwin_events
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: Can I get some help with my mapper in MUSHclient please?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not without saying what issues you're having :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (i.e. never ask if you can/should ask...just jump right into the issue)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: when I view the bigmap (world map) there is like a "tear" that goes accross the bottom right side about 1/2 of the map, and it's black.  apparently missing some data or it's a glitch
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: try 'bigmap update' and if that doesn't work, restart MUSHclient
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: is it only one continent that is having the issue, or all continents?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: sweet!  that fixed it Abelinc.  You're brilliant!  i tried it earlier but was stillt here
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: iot was mesolar continent
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: but fixed now
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I also claim credit for Bast's work ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: sure!  i would think nothing less.......
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: ill tell all my friends about you!  ....(both of them)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: i dragged my S&D up past the toolbar on accident... is there any way to move it back?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type xset reset gui
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: thanks Abe :)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, Heh, I just ran Updates on a Win2k3 box, one of the updates was Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer for Windows Server 2003 (KB2936068)
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err for Internet Explorer 6
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling: try toggling the "UEFI" setting in the BIOS/setup
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so many people hit that S&D past the toolbar problem. you'd think someone would have bothered to fix that by now
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You would be wrong!
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: what s&d problem?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for future reference if Trepid comes back, https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_remove_or_change_the_Aardwolf_logo_background_image_in
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Ophelion: the window drag code it uses is bad
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: ahh
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: can't wait until Google Contact comes out, it'll be more epic than Glass.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I should hope so. Glass doesn't seem that epic.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I want Google Fiber more than anything
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: What's contact?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: i want startrek's holodecks.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: a Google-powered contact lens.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: makes sense =P
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's essentially Glass without the glasses, since everyone's so freaked over privacy.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How would you plan on powering a contact lens?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: If tech is small enough to fit on a contact lens, powering it shouldn't be an issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's just handwaving the problem away
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Works in economics
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: they're just going to radiate their faces to power the lens! Awesome device... but everyone who owns gets cancer within a year of buying =P
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: dunno, but I assume bioelectrical methods similar to those concepts that allow you to charge your phone via the friction of your clothes rubbing.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Oh, good. Another excuse for public masturbation. 'I was just charging my contact lens!'
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: who needs an excuse
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "I was horny" seems like a good enough excuse
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: Just stay away from kids... that's felony territory =P
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: they're already talking interface about it, something to do with Morse code and blinking.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: From the article I'm reading, google contact lens is not a glass replacement, it's intended to measure glucose levels for diabetes patients
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Same diff, Metria. GOD.
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And in answer to my own question, the power is coming from RFID
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: so you have to wear a headset?
T3/r7/2014-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: or will google glass power google contact? =P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Is it possible to run a bot on 50kb/s internet speed?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Misfiring Anaristos Tech: most idlebots run at that speed.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: botting?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: What's an idlebot?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Try it, let us know how it doesn't turn out.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i used to play aardwolf on 56k speed
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: ack, stop saying botting.  It makes me auto quest.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: botting
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: bot on
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Bot ack bot Strazor bot is bot broken! bot
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: why play a game if you don't actually want to play? I'll never understand..
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Strazor giggles at Book of Etzli's actions.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: ikr? Same concept as buying a game and puttign in "godmode" cheat.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: I do godmode cheats. Just so I can see the storyline. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: the journey more important than the end
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Fi-Bot Fiain chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: Otep, how dare you bring up Quake cheat gods.  Those are sacred.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: visions a port where everyone is t9 and fully max in all aspects of the game. clans's be warring more :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: There's muds like that. They're called godwars.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Open pk. No stupid 10 year journey to begin actual pk.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's a port like that, it's called testport
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: but it isnt aard tho
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Can't bot on testport, either, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why not
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: you can etzli
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can do whatever you want on testport
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: you can bot on either port
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Really? Was yelled at before for a bot I was using to test stuff. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: it's dumb and illegal, but you can
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what were you testing?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, not really "yelled" at, just told I shouldn't use a bot to test stuff, but that in this case, it would be allowed.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: the imm's patience
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Asuke smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well see, so it's allowed :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Asuke about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well see, the "shouldn't use a bot" tells me it's not. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 'shouldn't'... but you can
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: you always can
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You shouldn't speed on highways, but you can, and if you get caught, you get a nice ticket. :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: that doesn't mean it is allowed
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Guys this isn't bout tech stuff. Gonna have toask you move to debate
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok nvm this is turning into semantics
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You shouldn't murder people (God, how I want to!), but you can... :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Misfiring Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Pharaoh Otep, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: Sigh, someone said debate. Now my bot is auto CPing.  So tired of Qp.  Face Palm.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: debate
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Blame Otep and his trollish ways.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Strazor tsks Pharaoh Otep.  You feel sorry for him.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: for _,v in pairs(playersonline) do Execute("*tsk "..v) end
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Whoops.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: god that's ugly code
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh now, is it? How would you write it better?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: he'd write it in erlang
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pharaoh Otep Tech: Otephctli
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: 110101011100011010 ?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not in lua would be  a good start :D
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Strazor Tech: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....unless you own it. Then, well BEHOLD, I'm coming for you.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's wrong with lua?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I find Lua to be very fluid.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Anyone have teh Sennheiser PC360 headset?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I'm having trouble getting something to work
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how to search for 2 strings that occur same time in a line in notepad++
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: w/o that extra plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: this regex seems limited
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: switch to regex search mode?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: put a match any character expression in the middle
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: are you really a tier9 trez?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's apparently not limited but I'm noob
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: made it work tho
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: does anyone know how to pattern match in blowtorch?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: anyone here?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: what are you trying to match bobo
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: {affoff}333
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: where 333 id any number
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: where 333 is any number
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: lemme check my phone
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: \{affoff\}(.*)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: c $1
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: it worked!!!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wootz1
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Has someone created a scroll reciter similar to  potion quaffer for MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: not many people use scrolls. i think.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: woah. I just discovered http://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#escape-from-xp
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why is there no option to turn off sound
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: sound?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I usually just hit mute.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: there is sound. well i can lower the volume of my speakers.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And yeah, I came across that a few days ago.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm downloading an XP vm from there. Hopefully it will be useful for testing.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: you can? all i did was pew pew
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: do they aim to get an unstable machine like every other version of vindows?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useful Hadar Tech: with php is there a way to do like $var${var}continuefirstvar
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't spose anyone knows if oracle vm supports that really nice windowing that you can do with x11 and *nix
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'd still be able to use x11 resources for a guest OS running in the vm host environment, if that's what you're asking
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: sysadmin at work has a windows box, but using some trickery he can bring up applications that are running on the server via x11, but they appear as windows on his windows box that he can move about. What i'm asking is, is there anyway i can run a *nix based OS and have Windows XP in a VM and do the same with zmud and other select old windows xp programs that i'll need to run, i.e have them running as their window on my nix desktop as opposed to having to switch to a whole 'window' or full screen representing the xp vm
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (does that make sense?)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: dont get fired from work. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: Trickery*!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: he uses Xming X-server
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: or something similar, basically app runs on Unix box while displaying its output on remote X-display
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: vnc would work for that, or remote desktop for windows
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: still, I am not sure but using cygwin you could probably start Windows X session and display windows on remote Unix X server
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, x11 works for x11 applications...so like he can't directly use it to see his *nix box's console, but he can use it to see xterm windows, because xterm is already x11...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for viewing Windows stuff like zmud, I'd just use remote desktop
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are RDP clients for *nix
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, VM implementations have a "console" which is basically a window showing the guest OS
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: think i'll just have to have a play with it when the time comes
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's the level of success with running zmud under wine?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: still running xp native atm, so couldn't say. Sure it couldn't be much less reliable on wine than native
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if that works OK, you wouldn't need to maintain an XP VM
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: meh, there's other stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, can also make an amazon aws account and run a Windows box in the cloud for a year under their free tier (around $15/month after that, or create new account :P)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course I dunno their UK terms
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just watched an interesting interview with some alternative media journalists and they were talking about how, after Facebook went public, they changed the way sharing material worked so that it is no longer an effective way of get publicity out to an audience unless you pay them considerable amounts of money for a fan page or corporate site
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: scrumpling up my noggin to think of a way of getting old xp games to run in a nix environment
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if you mean dos games then you could use dosbox
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: i miss M.A.X.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nah, xp based games
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: though i do have some dos games that won't work on xp :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i miss System Shock :-(
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: Okay, using the Aardwolf MUSH, how do I set up Zmud style Macros and Aliases?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Did you bother reading any documentation?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: yes, but I am tech jargon retarded
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Did you read Fiendish's wiki?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: that no. I don't trust wikipedia
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can trust Fiendish's WIKI, as he's the one who wrote it, and wrote a lot of the plugins in Aard...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: Okay... just read/looked at it... I see code-speak, and other programming languages... and am back where I started
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then nothing we tell you will help you here, as it will all be "code-speak".
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: so there's no just "macro" button, and then an "add" button? or anything idiot-proof?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can edit macros if you just went to Game -> Configure -> Macro.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vulturer Tech: Ah, many thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: would you buy a modular cellphone, or would you stick with the current 1-and-done types we have now?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: modular... depending on price and options
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: if I bought a new hard drive for my laptop, could I install linux on that?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Uh.. yeah? Why wouldn't you be able to?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: computer has no optical drive, so not sure how I'd go about it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: usb
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you can usb, or net boot
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Put an ISO on a USB stick.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: Load onto a flash drive then install
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Which distribution were you looking at?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not trying to be a dick about this, but if you can't figure out how to install Linux without an optical drive, Linux may not be for you..
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: what version of linux is good?  I've never used it before, so I know nothing about it, other than that X is a GUI front end or some such.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Not trying to be a dick but managed it anyways, you should take over my old trolling role.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Red Star OS
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: go for ubuntu or mint - those are good for first time users...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if i were to use linux, i'd use ubuntu
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: X is the server that handles input/output, except for audio.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I would vote for Ubuntu as well.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: ubuntu, easy to install and great for new users
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'm unsure why you're interested in using a new OS though
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Bit on the bloaty side, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: as compared to?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: For a Linux. Definitely not compared to, say, Windows 7.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Starling, my point is that Linux is not always easy, and when it breaks you're generally expected to fix it yourself.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: perspective is important 
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Indeed it is.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Because I'm probably just going to get a new computer, but the laptop that 'died' didn't really die, just the HDD died and I figured I could play around with linux as something to do. *shrug*
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice at Starling, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: it's just a sata drive, easy to replace that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If you just want to play with linux, get VirtualBox and install it as a vm
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: decent idea, if it works and you get used to it, you'll have a free OS from then on, right? :)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: full immersion best way to learn something imo
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: There is that, Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: nod scars, I hear so much about linux this, ubuntu that, sounds like it could be fun
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it can also be a pain in the ass, check hardware compatibility lists before you install :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: that's another advantage of using a vm, no hardware compatibility to worry about
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: dive in then, imo... ubuntu is supposed to be one of the more user friendly versions of linux
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Yeah, Ubuntu breeds complacency though. Haven't had hardware issues for years.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: - especially network adapters...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Network adapters aren't bad, until you get into wifi
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i don't use wifi on my home pc, but i don't use a laptop
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, the next time i decide to upgrade my system, i'll probably go linux and not windows
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: although, i'm unsure how much work it would be to play, say, SCII on linux
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I used to play Guild Wars on Linux
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: did it require you to do anything special on install or when you ran it? i.e. in an emulated environment or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You have to use WINE, y eah
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: having never used WINE, it seems strange that i'd rely so much on WINE not being a piece of shit for me to do stuff like that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I tried Playonlinux briefly... wasn't too impressed, but then again I don't play many games so I didn't tinker too much with that.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: but maybe that's a misplaced concern, i don't know
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: theres a game-specific branch of wine also
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it works better if you have the windows dll's installed
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It comes with a bottling feature, which was the most useful thing about it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the game-specific branch of wine?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: it comes with a botting feature Metria?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Bottling?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hmm. You could swear Bobolai has been here just a second ago. You wonder where she went ...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: har... har... har...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: took me a second, but i see it now
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Bottling, it's like.. a virtual machine for WINE. So you can install a game in one "wine bottle" and not have it interfere with another.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: or, it's a real thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Interesting. Nice name as usual :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: pun pun pun!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: interfere how?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Some specific combination of DLLs and settings for graphics, I suppose.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Birdbrain Metria nods at [Deputy] Trurien.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Do you need to be a programmer to use linux?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i suppose an OS that runs lighter than windows OS would free up resources for performance on games?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Nope.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: (to Starling, not Scars.)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: it's not as intuitive as windows, but it's more powerful if you take the time
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: maybe that game-specific version of wine doesnt exist, or was renamed i cant find it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I've heard it said that 'Linux is user-friendly, it just chooses its friends very carefully.'
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Maybe, Scars, but keep in mind that WINE is all being reverse engineered. It'll never be as up to date as Windows.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Kobus: were you thinking of playonlinux?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: if you're used to windows there's a learning curve
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i wish i could be more comfortable with WINE
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice at A Giant Kraken, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: it's different rather than less friendly
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: wine is basically all the windows dlls, converted to code that runs on linux (or at least a portion of them), the results are... incomplete
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You're thinkign of Crossover Games
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Ah right
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: how often are you using WINE to do whatever it is that you do?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it might be called playonlinux now
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I don't use Linux on my primary laptop anymore (bought a newer one), so never
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: if i tried to use wine, i bet i'll be... whining a lot about it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: it was just a code branch back in the day
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: No, I think those are different things though Kobus.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: will the laptop run faster with linux?  Or rather, more smoothly since the OS is less bloated?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Depends on what you're doing with it.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: depends what you run on it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I've not compared with Windows in a long while to be honest.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lets say it's boring stuff like surfing the internet for porn and playing aard?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I think at most I'd play aard and watch movies or youtube videos.  Nothing intense.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: But one major plus is that you can update when you want and how you want.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: windows does this mouse acceleration-trick. its not good
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Aaard is easy, Mushclient runs fine under wine
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: and choose what software you want or dont want
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: You don't get the 'hang on, your boot is gonna have to wait till my updates are set up'
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The porn is MOSTLY easy, although you'll find some video formats that won't play due to non-free codecs
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: oh man, dealbreaker there
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's par for native windows users as well, Metria.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I haven't tried it recently, but getting Flash set up was a minor bitch
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: google chrome?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: flash likes to be a bitch.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: what browser do you use?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Firefox
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: flash is trash no matter what, I think
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: steve jobs would be so happy
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: oh and silverlight doesnt run on linux, last i checked
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If Steve Jobs was alive right now.... he'd be beating on the coffin lid screaming "GET ME OUT GET ME OUT"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: i think netflix still uses it for streaming
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: quick question: i don't seem to have te
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: netflix is on appletv, so maybe you mean netflix.com uses flash?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: quick question: i don't seem to have telnet on my laptop...?!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Is that a question or a statement?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: netflix.com, the website...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: It's not enabled by default anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: what do i do to retify the problem of no telnet?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: ah, i never ever go to netflix.com
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Windows telnet blows anyway, get Putty
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I'm not sure he'd be in a coffin if he were alive right now to be honest... or vice versa.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: always use my appletv or wii, depending on where i'm watching
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: my wii used to be this fun thing i did everyday for 20 minutes, now it's essentially my netflix device
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: sucks that it's barely standard def, though
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: same for a lot of people
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: mine is a decoration
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: appletv streams 1080p, ftw
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Mine is in a box someplace in the basement, never unpacked it from when I moved
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: wii vs kinect?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: nah, he would've upgraded the crypt with state-of-the-art apple gadgets.  Probably would've used the coffin as a bed (likely with its own climate-control and security system controlled by his iphone), and perhaps would've built a major event out of it.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'm usure how to answer this bobolai
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: what do you want, a gaming device or a netflix streamer?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: former
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not wii imo
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: xbox v playstation, draw lines however you want, but not wii
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: why can't a computer be used as a netflix streamer instead of a wii?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I found too many of the wii game controls felt gimmicky - using a fancy wiimote movement instead of a single buttonpress solely for the sake of using the wiimote
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it can be, as long as it were connected to the TV in some manner
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i played at a friend's house. he had a wii. i made do with what i could get :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: wii is too old, Wii U is too greedy, and everything else is too expensive.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: also. we used pirated wii games xD
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: qr
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: plus, if I'm gonna pay a hundred bucks for tv I'd rather only pay one company instead of 12.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: seems like you could use playstation or xbox as your single-device entertainment box for streaming, gaming, and movies
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so it's not buying a $50 bluray player + gaming console :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: IDK, the optical drive in the xbox is like a plane taking off. Unless you want to rip any discs you own or redbox before you watch them, I wouldn't use the xbox
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: appletv is $99, amazon fire tv the same
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: streaming is too fractured for my tastes.  One streamer only does current season and doesn't do past seasons, another does the opposite, yet another does movies I've never even heard of, and still another is almost what I want but is probably illegal.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: appletv has been perfect for me
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: espn3, netflix, some other free randomness
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's not a technological problem, that's a legal issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i have used streaming for 100% of my TV entertainment for 6 years
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: with the exception of a few BBC and discovery shows, i can get everything i want within a week of it coming out, legally
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: then there's the IP rights that get divvied up, so that you have to pay one company for one set of shows you want to watch and pay another company for some other shows you want to watch.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: it costs me about 20$ between hulu and netflix, and no 50-100$ cable bill
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: same, wyza
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: See, I'm too big of a sports fan for that to work
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: roku?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: bluray player...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the only sports i watch is LoL, which is all streamed :)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: dafuq is lol?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: or playstation
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: isn't roku just an aggregator pulling other services together?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Sports? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i have a dedicated MCPC, but that's because i have my entire DVD/BD collection ripped to a file server
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: LoL = league of legends = e-sports :)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: oh
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How much storage you got, Wyza?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, so, for me... working 50 hrs a week + studying 40 hrs a week = no time for watching anything with any regularity
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i have a total of 10TB of usuable storage on my file server, (5x3tb RAID 5 array).  currently about 6TB used
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i end up watching stuff pirated like GoT and TWD
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You have 4 TB we could be storing porn on, dammit
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Won't SOMEBODY think of the boobieS?!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wyza, hulu + netflix gets you GoT and TWD?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: quickly?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Netflix doing 4K streaming now.  Crazy
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: sadly no HBO shows
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I think GoT is HBO only isn't it?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: also, if i pay for hulu, do i get advertised to?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: how much would it cost to build or set up a file server like that?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: contemplating something like that due to my laptops constantly dying on me.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yeah, you get about 3x30s advertisements per show on hulu
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yeah, hulu plus still has ads
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: efffff that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: still, compared to tv with its 10-20 minutes of adds
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'll take it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: when hulu fixed that, i'll pay for their service as well
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, it was the basis for why i went with netflix over hulu
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: the only thing that sucks about the ads is seeing the same ones over and over
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but HBO is evil with their, "we don't care about anyone who isn't a cable subscriber for Go"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Eh, that's the problem with ads on any medium
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: idiot CEO
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: having lived the last year or so purely on netflix and online streaming of post-live airings, watching commercials during my favorite sporting events just kills me
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: oh, I know game of thrones is pirated 25 million times within 1 day of release because you can't have Go unless you have cable, but we don't care
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: holywood = stupid
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: hollywood*
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'd pay $10/month or whatever the cable subscription load for HBO is if it meant access to HBO Go
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: GoT costs 6 million per episode......
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I have to wonder if the cable companies are the ones blocking HBO from offering Go to non-cable subscribers
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: even VoD from comcast is now unwatchable...commercials every 30 seconds and FF is disabled
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: doesn't time warner own HBA?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: HBO*
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I think time warner owns everything by now, even you and I
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: HBO says they make more than enough that they don't care how many people pirate it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if that tells you how much money they make...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: fine, then i don't care that i watched the pirated versions
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza is agreeing with that <pretitle> Scars person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: heh...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, hbo is making content that i would like to pay for if i could pay for just that content
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: I'll pay for anything if it is reasonbly priced and available
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: similar to starz (spartacus)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'll pirate anything that isn't and i won't feel bad about it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: agreed wiza
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: cable companies are strung up by the balls, really.  It's really the companies who own the networks that call the shots, and one of the things they insist on is bundling all those crap channels nobody ever watches.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: wyza*
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: well, if the theories about millenials is true, that'll eventually change
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: netflix's full series releases appears to be a good strategy so far
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yup
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Millenials will just drop cable tv. lol
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: netflix and amazon are both going the right way
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: amazon is just a little slower about it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the next time i'm paying for cable tv, it'll be because i can get *just* a sports package
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Internet service in the united states needs to improve a LOT if we're going to have the majority of people dropping cable and switching primarily to streaming
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: the on-air tv service is dying anyway, nobody sits down to watch a show when it airs they dvr or tivo it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza is agreeing with that Birdbrain Metria person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we are the suck for internet
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i have an antenna and watch the news before bed everynight :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we were having that conversation last night i think
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: local channels gets me enough sports for when i do want it anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: 3 letter networks and all
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: That is why Fox, ABC, NBC, and CBS is going after Aveio for their DVR service.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: you should check if you live in an area with google fiber service, free gigiabit internet and tv for life
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: oh, trust me, the day google fiber arrives
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and when the 3 letter networks are showing me sports i don't care about... i just don't watch, whereas with cable, i'd watch something else
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: as in, within seconds
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'll have ordered it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for life?  I doubt that'll last long
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at None the Wyza and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: parting ways with cable tv made me (and my wife) more productive with our time
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: hanslanda: its google
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Heh, check if you live in an area with it? Easy check - no, you don't. Statistically, almost nobody does!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: thankfully right now, my internet provider isn't one of the biggies, its a regional one that doesn't suck too much
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: do you live in Provo, UT; Austin, TX; Kansas City, KS or MO?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: 50Mb/5Mb
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: yea those are some pretty big towns.....
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: can i ask which?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: WoWWay
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: also known as "wide open west" (though its a midwest company...)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lol, and southern
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so funny
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: wide open midwest doesn't sound as good
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: true that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: wosmw
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: just doesn't flow
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I wish Google Fiber would come near where I live.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i have grande communications as an option, but they don't bother competing with TWC or AT&T garbage rates
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i pay $41/month for 12mb/3mb
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: hopefully it will for all of us someday turie
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and thats the BEST AT&T can offer me because they suckass
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, i don't care if it's google fiber, i just want fiber gigabit options
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: this bullshit "bursts up to..." stuff that cable companies do just kills me
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: your house is all wired up for internet access?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'd be happy with a symetric 100/100 pipe
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: google bought a company for drones and gov release more frequency bands its not far from happening via wifi if things fall in place
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: 5mb upload is murder when i'm posting 200+ photos to my cloud storage
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at None the Wyza.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Wifi services SUCK, we can't even get 3g cellular service reliably (don't even get me started on 4g)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: wifi services suck in all ways
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vanion snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: see, that depends on where you live imo
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: price, speed, and bandwidth caps
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: this really hurts me to say
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: like it hurts a lot
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: verizon is like, 40gb for their wifi service, thats all of like 10 HD movies
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: like my teeth hurt kind of hurt
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: Europe did this way better than we did...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: sadly, yes
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: nods
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we were awesome 15 years ago
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's what happens when you let someone else invent it, then refine it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: South Korea appears to have done it even better, still
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: then the monopolies entered in and we all lost
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it exists the way it does now due to crap regulation philosophy... if that were to change...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i think there is a european country where gigabit internet is going to be country wide in a few years
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: isn't time warner and comcast suppose to merge?  Loss of another competition?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not really
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: cox and its net neut shit 
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah but which one? Theres countries out there you can walk across in a day, seems like
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: time warner and comcast serve separate markets
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if comcast and TW merge, it'll be the biggest under table payoff ever
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: there was a merger of sorts i didnt fully read into it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: no one in their right mind would approve it unless they were making serious bank under the table
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it's just a larger comglomerate, any competing territories are somewhat 
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: trivial
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The FCC and US Government will let it go through because they will get a kick back.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yes, but that just gives them even more buillying power (not that they don't have more than enough)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it's a merger, that's true... but i'm saying that it's not like they're really competitors
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: well its happening because its kinda what netflix  is buying more direct links to isps
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: honestly, i think we should just own up to the wrong approach and fix it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: If they're similar enough to merge into one company, they must be in the same market, and thus competitors
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if a president or party campaigned on this, they'd get my vote
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: hell, they'd get all of the nerd vote
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: that's a freaking guaranteed presidency
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: nah
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vanion snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The real issue is that TW, Comcast, and other cable providers have towns/cities sign exclusive contracts that no one else can do business within the city for xx years.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the nerd vote doesn't account for a large enough majority
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: maybe 10-15%
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the rest of our country are sheep
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it would be fully represented, though
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: true that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: sheep vote as sheep do, nerd vote swings it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Not to mention they'd probably say something pants-on-head stupid about some other hotbutton issue
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so true
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: dog on top of car, imo
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: "I oppose the merger.... also, nuke the gay baby whales for Jesus"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: fcc  seems to  limiting verizon and att from obtaining any more of the  upcoming release of lowband freqencies
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The biggest problem with the US is that 48% of the vote is already given to the democrats since those are basically on entitlements.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole, Turie.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: gotta nuke something
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: but seriously, TWC and Comcrap both provide the same service to their respective geographic markets... there's minimal overlap in those geographic markets, so the merge doesn't meaningfully eliminate competition
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: so yea its all shit
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the PROBLEM is that it doesn't improve the internet infrastructure either
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so all it does is consolidate money, and consumers will not benefit
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so i say eff em
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Scars, you're not looking at competition the right way
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yup, the top 5 ISPs control most of the market with almost 0 competition
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: nod scars it will allow them to  team up on  new tech aspects in future
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You say they aren't competing with each other, so it's not eliminating competition.. but what is happening is it's making a behemoth that NOBODY ELSE can compete with
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: God WAS my co-pilot.....
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gwynyfar Tech: but thrn we crashed in the mountains, and i had to eat him...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and AT&T is not competition, even their Uverse crap is still DSL from your house to the neighborhood
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: no one is competing anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: How can they? The barrier for entry is stupidly high
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: agreed, but having them merge doesn't change that
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i don't want them to merge because their line of "will be better for consumers" is crap, not because i think it'll reduce competition
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'm not a big fan of national debt
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we need to do to our internet, what we did for the national interstate system
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: how about what we did with the phone lines?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You mean the interstates that are currently falling apart?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: interstates around me are in pretty good shape
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: even come with the added bonus of perpetual construction
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chew Toy Detreyl Tech: Yes, break the internets! VIVA LA REVOLUTION! All hail Wyza!
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that's because stupid, i'm talking about investing huge, huge amounts of money to put in a solid national internet backbone
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: And that applies to the Internet, too :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: gov needs to be in apollo mode *nod self*
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: just because we were too stupid to handle our finances after we built it, doesn't mean we didn't make huge amounts of money because we spent the 300b to build the original interstate
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: imo, private sector will take care of it if they just say "no company owns the infrastructure to your home"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Anyone ever wonder why the US has not gone back to the moon in nearly 40 years?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: We went, there was nothing there
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: or, similarly, "must be alloted to renting"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: turie, it wasn't cost effective
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: They have recreated moon-like surfaces in other countries, though.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I used to wonder, but then the decepticons told me to back off.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Once we found that no, it's not actually made of cheese.. there was no reason to go back
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: the irony of the "free speech" decisions in favour of the wealthy means that if someone ran on a populist platform to reform the countries in ways that most people want, you wouldn't hear of it because they wouldn't have enough money.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the problem is, everything is driven by the bottom line now
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: screw advancement for the sake of being the best
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if it doesn't make you rich, it isn't worth it
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: ...now?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that's america
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien snickers with Bobolai about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: now
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: that's the big problem at my employer right now, we're abandoning things in droves due to cost when they were significantly benefiting the company.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: so it was better in the past?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: er... almost every graduate student in the country would probably disagree with you, wyza :P
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Politically Correctness is just another way to say "I find you speech offensive since I disagree with your point of view!"
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie's blatant troll was a serious fail - he will try harder next time.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because they are still students quad
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: wait until they get out into corporate america where their souls will be crushed
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: and academic funding isn't exactly doing great these days...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: their only hope is to do independent work like kickstarter
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: ....
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that's where the real advancements are comming in america now, sadly
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Kickstarter? Might as well buy lottery tickets
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the govt is cutting basic research funding across the board
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: nods diverting into military
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i'm sorry, but we don't even come close to being #1 in original research anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: you're a researcher/scientist wyza?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: the basic science breakthroughs will shift to countries that fund science better as time goes by, I'd bet. The tech will eventually follow. Would take time, naturally...
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It has been slowly happening since the 1950s when the UN leaders got together and pushed global economy to keep countries from starting another World War.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: the US is still number 1 in most areas, but for how long, I have to wonder.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: another stupid question, if I decide I want to just put windows 7 back on that laptop, all I'd need is an ISO on a USB drive, or else a win 7 cd and usb optical drive and I'd be good to go?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: And a license key
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: it would be a legit cd, don't want to risk malware or other troubles
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Well, yep. I would put Windows 7 on the laptop, then Ubuntu on the USB. You'd have a USB to boot from, and you could use it to install Ubuntu for a dual-boot as well
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: interesting.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: what about reinstalling XP on my Dell?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What about it?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: i like running my backtrack from flash drive as well and use hdd as storage
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: not exactly ssd but close enough
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: You could, too, Starling.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: 12 year old Dell laptop, works pretty well except the keyboard is a little worn out, it's my backup machine whenever I need it.  Still using the original factory install of XP, I feel like a reinstall would make it run faster.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's 12 years old. It's going to feel sluggish no matter what.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: probably worth imaging the current install in case it all goes balls up, but in theory you could reinstall over usb
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: does it even have enough memory to install win 7?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: win7 gets angry if you have less than 2gb 
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I doubt it, it has 512 megs and that is the max.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: ghost it over network
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if you are set on keeping using it, why not install a linux distro or just reinstall XP?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: it's ancient but it's more reliable than newer laptops apparently, since it's never died on me.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: but then again u can get a vmware workstation for it and just run  from there if it messes up revert back a snapshot
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: i'll prob stay on xp till win 9 comes out
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: win7 is pretty decent, vista and 8.1 are garbage
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: every other major release is the way to go
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: XP was pretty solid though, for sure
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: nods win 7 pro is decent but win 9 is around the corner might as well wait i think
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: win2k was more solid than XP
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: you think win9 will be out this year?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: next year isn't exactly "right around the corner" to me :)
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vanion snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Starling, you're saying XP is more reliable because it's never died on you.. but haven't all your failures been hardware?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: wonder how long till they stop supporting win7
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: 2020.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they supported xp for a freaking long time
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: if thats true then win7 would be a good move i guess
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Windows 1.0 was supported from 1985 till 2000.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: also: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: how do i reset miniwindows in mushclient? I keep forgetting :S
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: resetaard?
T3/r7/2014-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: how do i make page make a sound?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Create a trigger with a sound.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: so i still need to do it manualy,though page sounds were maybe preloaded into some clients
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: thought*
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD hasn't sent me a beep signal in years
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You just create a sound trigger with * pages you '*' in the first box and selecting a sound.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's supposed to send a TERMBEL, which all clients will know to play a system beep for
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The reason is Abelinc broke it!
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some people say it works for them without a trig, so there's some funky pfile thing going on
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I never got a "beep" for pages until I created a trigger.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: create a new char?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alts don't receive it either, so new char wouldn't help...I think that not receiving it is the "norm"
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, how do you prevent Bast's plugins (specifically, the StatDB) from automatically backing up?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i wouldn't...
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: edit the plugin file
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i've had at least 1 instance where i needed to restore the data
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If it didn't pop up a cmd window and whatnot, I wouldn't have much a problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, Ayasinda, was hoping there was a command within the plugin. :\
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The Aardwolf Mapper DB does the same thing I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, but you can turn the Mapper DB off.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Talk to Bast.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CMFP Limunious Tech: how do i get the previous typing to stay in mush client, im missing something super easy here
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's an autoclear command line in Game -> Config -> Input, I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, Command.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not Input.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: On the right hand side, auto-repeat
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CMFP Limunious Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CMFP Limunious Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: np
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You're welcome.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: having issues setting up prompts on cmud anyone good soul help me out please?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Start the line with a ` (backtick)
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That will escape everything on the line, so you can do prompt %x without any issues.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: can you give me an example please when you say start the line with a `   do you mean   ` prompt blah blah.. ?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: `prompt %x %c or whatever you want it to be.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: ok thanks I'll try that
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can also just put a tilde in front of each percent sign, but I find the backtick quicker.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the ` is a cmud thing, it's the modern equivalent for CTRL-R or using  on every single character you don't want to be parsed by CMud.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc files that bit of info away...MUSH start with ;, cmud start with `
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: I'm using buttons which display the variables I capture in triggers of the hpbar,   I'm getting a slow "refresh
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: slow as in laggy, or slow as in an update or two behind what it should be displaying?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're triggering on stuff from prompt to set variables, you probably want to switch those to use GMCP
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: as in a round or several behind what it should be displaying,   if I hit enter a few times it does eventually refresh to the correct values.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cmud's already parsing the GMCP data, no need to also have it scraping the prompt
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, end your prompt in %c
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: ok now you lost me with GMCP -- that is new to me
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Twanger: Type #print %gmcp
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You'll get a boatload of information.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD sends a royal ton of info to the client behind the scenes, in already variabled format
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Everything your prompt can do, and then some.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: ooo how to I call that gmcp information  to display on a button for example .. is everything in #print char="status=""level=5|tnl=219|hunger=38|thirst=38|align=0|state=3|pos=Standing|enemy|enemypct=22""|vitals=""hp=219|mana=244|moves=560""|stats=""str=12|int=13|wis=21|dex=14|con=16|luck=17|hr=26|dr=21|saves=0""|maxstats=""maxhp=219|maxmana=244|maxmoves=560|maxstr=10|maxint=13|maxwis=16|maxdex=13|maxcon=15|maxluck=17""|worth=""gold=1657|bank=0|qp=0|tp=0|trains=27|pracs=32""|base=""name=Twanger|class=Cleric|subclass=Harmer|race=Shadow|clan|pretitle|perlevel=1000|tier=0|remorts=1|redos=0"""|group="groupname|reason=no group"|comm="quest=""action=status|status=ready""|tick|channel=""chan=newbie|msg=[1;33m[[1;35mNewbie[1;33m] [1;37m([1;32mHelper[1;37m)[1;33m [1;33mAcaxochitl: Hi, Tielee!  Welcome to Aardwolf![0;37m|player=Acaxochitl""|repop=""zone=academy"""|room="info=""num=35261|name=Basement Practice Area|zone=academy|terrain=underground|details|exits=""""n=35260|e=35374|s=35263""""|coord=""""id=
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Wow.....Colours!
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Thunderax gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: sorry that was an unexpected result
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But say you wanted to capture your hp. You can do: hpvar = %gmcp.char.vitals.hp
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: woooah nelly  :p
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: really wow that is cool
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: gonna publish that book?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You have to break it down, which can be a bit confusing at first, but if you go to wiki.aardwolf.com and look for "Protocols", then click on GMCP, you'll find a breakdown by level.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: etzli how can I send you a tell or private chat?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you've got detects, you can send me a tell using 'tell etzli', or 't etzli' for short.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But I'm not always around, so typically it's better to just put it up on tech if you have a tech-y question.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: I'm new I get no one in this world by that name
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: the gmcp values display correctly when I set it on a caption for a button however it's not refreshing
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The button isn't?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: correct
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What's not refreshing about it? Are the values changing at all?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: i have 96  for example shows my xp,  when i kill a mob and that changes the button still is displaying the previous value.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: i have "%gmcp.char.status.tnl"
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Use an actual variable for it.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So set a variable like this: chartnl = %gmcp.char.status.tnl
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: when using function calls (anything that starts with %, or a user-created @function()) or complex variable types (stringlist, datarecord), buttons aren't updated automatically but you can force an update with the #UPDATE command.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then in the button, use @chartnl
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: ok I'll try passing into a var then display
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: another important thing to consider is that a variable is only the part that is to the left of the leftmost period.  For example, in @me.maxhp, only the e is considered a variable.  Any time any part of a variable gets changed, it will issue a request for a screen update even if what got changed isn't at all used in your button.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: oops.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: ok I have a var  xp which has a value of "%gmcp.char.status.tnl"  when I call "p"  it shows the correct value,  so does the button ,  still not refreshing after a fight (lower value) I must be missing something obvious here.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: is the variable being used in the caption field, or the value field?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: caption field as a display
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: as  atxp
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Double the @ to show an @ sign, so @@xp if you are displaying a variable name.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: @xp, by example
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: when I do a #show 88  it has the correct changed value,  but the button caption which has a 88 does not change
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: @ didn't work
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: double @w
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, we meant on channels, not in the button itself.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: but you should be able to do tech @@xp to show @xp variable.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: yes me too double at doesn't show  atxp
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: 28
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: See, there you go.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh wait, no, you just did single.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: that shows a number to me :)
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: p
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: why on earth do people use .rar archives?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: zip isn't good enough?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: not as good compression? idk
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 7zip ftw.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kobus Tech: lots of reasons, variable compression, unmatched security and you can split them
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: i prefer 7zip.
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I found rar made multi-archives a lot easier to do
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: does zip allow me to have multiple files?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jenifer Tech: i like to stream wow raids to a few friends of mine, but my connection doesn't allow for very good quality video. it doesn't really matter, since my friends are mostly interested in the banter that goes on in the voice chat of the raid. can anyone recommend a good program/service, preferably lightweight, that's designed to stream only audio?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jenifer Tech: both a program and a site that's designed to host audio-only stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: teamchat?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: teamspeak i mean
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or Ventrilo
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: i'm guessing he doesnt went them all to log in to his guild server
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or what's that open-source version.. uh.. Mumble
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jenifer Tech: no, not voice chat programs, something that i can use to broadcast it to like a radio station kind of site
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Ghostcast
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jenifer Tech: alrighty, i'll check it out, thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, techs in a movie after looking at a spare hard drive (not from within a computer) The IDE was routed to the BIOS in a weird way, and the cylinder sector/sector array was stored in the CMOS
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Does anyone know how to download a streaming video clip from a website?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Checking VLC docs could be a start. What kind of a stream is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Something from the tonight show
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Well yes, but what format :P
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Let me look, one sec
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: from a website?
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: have you looked at the source code to see if you can find the video source? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: what browser are you using, I'm pretty sure chrome and firefox have an extenstion/plugin that does that stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: I typically use chrome, but also have firefox
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sometimes you can find the video source in the site code, just download directly
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: otherwise you'll probably have to get some downloading program that catches streams
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: thanks red :P
T3/r7/2014-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Ok, I downloaded the windows 7 ISO that I need/want, the microsoft program is creating the bootable USB device now... once that's done I should be good to go right?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: new mushclient dev release. adds the llthread package
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: should enable great things
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: should also, I hope, fix my dumb broken ssl library
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: llthread ? like multitasking ?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but in what way it will affect Mush ?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean usually there is no need to have multitask
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you're wrong in so many ways
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: processes with long IO mainly, writing to files, getting stuff off the net, etc..
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean Mush not OS
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: a lot of headaches are caused for both users and plugin writers by not being able to spawn off worker threads
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: so do I
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all of those thinsg happen in mush
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: like DB backup ?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hopefully this will be a simple solution
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: all I've used it for right now is non-blocking update check. Hopefully it works for others as well as it works for me. I will definitely be using it for the mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but it seems to me that mapper works in q/a mode , except DB backup
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean question / answer
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: long mapper finds essentially block the user from doing anything
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that's right, but if I'm looking for path to room 2222 then I need to wait for it anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: except that with multitask you could abort path finding
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and could say hi to your friends, or request daily blessing
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: there is a difference between searching for a path to 100 rooms and searching for a specific room
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, I'll have to do some experimenting to see where it makes sense, assuming it works. network IO is definitely the reason I wanted it first
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "mapper goto 2222" is going to be fairly quick, "mapper find <some string with 50 different rooms>", not so much
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: much shorter if you don't pathfind all of them, but most people don't know about quicklist
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and anyway some people want the path lengths
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that could help during GQ :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really, it'll already use the shortest path it finds for a particular room...you just need to see which room
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: only other reason I see for path lengths is to determine room with longest path to buy portal there
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, that's often used, but then you're not usually searching for a roomname which has lots of entries...you'd separately search for "first of area" for a few area options
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rather than searching for "a hallway"
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Negader wishes when he does a search using a roomname, the levels for the area would appear next to the areas.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: usually when I'm looking for room it is connected with mob finding, so I think much more convenient is to use for that purpose mobs database
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also as for roomnames and levels - I think it is what S&D does for room campaigns
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I see difference (speed and calculated paths lengths) with quicklist on and off, but in what way it is usable to search 'mapper find laboratory' ? I mean I use S&D which has useful alias xm <room name> - search for room while in area and only other situation I need to look for room names are room campaigns (which S&D does auto) and when I am looking for a specific room - as output of 'locate animal' command
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: do you know about 'xmall' with s&d?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: yes - search through whole world like mapper find
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I think that prioritized command queue would be nice - like if I use 'tracker' for virtual comm channel then it is nice too see immediately results instead of waiting for end of stacked commands
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also priority quaffing / reequipping / fleeing could be quite useful
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the former i agree would be nice
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but the solution for this is quite simple : don't stack
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the latter not a chance
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: communication is one thing, saving yourself because you burried yourself in stacked commands against mobs you can't deal with is something else entirely
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can insert stuff into the comm window immediately without needing to wait for command queue
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by using the comms log function rather than using an aard channel (or echo)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I see, still as I've started to use Mendaloth's fake tracker channel it would be more convenient for me just to make it prioritized
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Not even sure why I did it that way - I think perhaps because that's the way channel work?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can't prioritize that
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Oh now I remember
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you mentioned why you did it on the page
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I set up like that, because it's the only way to make use of other plugins that use channels to report levels and such.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but because that's waiting for the MUD to echo back to you, nothing done on the client side can change priority
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most of those other plugins already have comm log as one of their options, but they wouldn't be subject to tracker -h
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I like tracker -h :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Princess Vanellope Tech: i got a weird question -- anyone know how to make it so that in MS Excel when you do a SUM(C1:C10) for instance...that you can prefix it so it shows XXX:(sum) instead of just the number?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: what do you mean, Vane?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: concatenate?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: what are you trying to accomplish, is the better question.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: do you mean show equations on the spreadsheet?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: =concatenate("XXX", sum(C1:C10))
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Princess Vanellope Tech: I made a spread sheet for my eq -- i want to show the total stat. So instead of the SUM just showing 10 for my strength, for instance, I want Str:10
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: then wyza's concatenate will work.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: or ="Str:" & sum(C1:C10)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Princess Vanellope Tech: that worked a little better Xaeris. thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: was there a way of updating aardclient without losing all your settings and plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i beleiver so, check on the aardwolf sight
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the download page has upgrade instructions
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: website*
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: its a tad tedious, but it works
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: For sure, check on the aardwolf site....it's actually on aardwolf.com, but I think linked to in the wiki on the google code site.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Before doing anything I'd suggest closing out Mushclient (not optional) and doing a zip file backup of the entire mushclient fold.er
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i'll have to save it for next time, i pretty much just did a replace  >_<
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: note to self: ..  don't update the client ever again..  
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why not?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: why not
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: becoz i'm not good at taking looong instruction
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Practice makes perfection.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice at Book of Etzli, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: not ever updating will also cause failure some day
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: updating should be a press of a update button, nothing more..
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Askani - I'm sure if you send Fiendish code for that he'd add it :P
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: for a client like this with all the custom plugins that also need updating that would be pretty much impossible
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: e
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: and you CAN update using just 1 button. You only have to delete all your plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: that is just what i learnt just now  :(
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: The update instruction in the aardsite is not that long.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: i installed a fedora 20 live cd to usb can you write to the usb with a live install
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: or install programs via linux to the usb
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: what's the cp plugin that people use where it runs to the cp mobs? the legal one, that's on the edge of legality? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: bah
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: searchanddestory
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: winklewinkle?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: ye
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: work good?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: don't know, don't use it
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: learn how to use the mapper and it's about the same
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: yep, i know mapper, and works great
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You can create you own aliases that make it better in some regards.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: so I'm using mudlet for my mac, but apparently something is wrong because I'm seeing background code meshed into the visible script
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: what code?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: {stats} 69/49,45/33,33/32,67/44.50/44,100,100,100,87,102,You are Standing.9999,1094, etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: {chan ch=tech}
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: etc
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: try tags off
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: That's GMCP and tags
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: AHA, thank you
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: statmon for the first one
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Actually I misspoke, that wouldn't be GMCP
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: did you connect with a different client recently?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: If not, then something is probably wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kitrune Tech: nah the tags fixed it
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but you're probably using scripts and plugins that rely on them
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: unless you recently disabled/uninstalled some
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: shouldn't be any other reason they would be on, unless you turned them on manually, which it doesn't sound like.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: any way to keep mapper from FREAKING out if you enter a 'mapper area' search that happened to be too vague?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Stop entering vague searches?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at Birdbrain Metria and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: lol, other than that
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: HorkewKamuy )
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Bot less
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: (:
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Define 'freak out'
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: haha starling
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not really, what would you like it to do exactly?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: was wondering if there was a way to cancel the search or something
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Define, freaking out?  I mapper area t I get more than 50 results error message, I do mapper area f and get a little bit of status bar spam, but finishes in a few seconds.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: it freezes mushclient for like 15 seconds while it searches
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, but you can set the room limit lower so it doesn't search as far.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Oh then one way would be to upgrade your computer, and be sure to get a SSD!
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I think the latest version of the mapper also doesn't pathfind all the results, which should make it faster too
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Metria's suggestion is most likely cheaper.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: yes agreed there mendaloth lmao... while i do have an SSD, my laptop IS an HP... soooo.... yea...
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: an upgrade would just be the trash can
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: but good deal about the room limit... thanks metria!
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: mapper searching is not IO dependent as much as it is CPU dependent
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU     M 450 2.40 GHz  2.40 GHz, 4.00 GB RAM, 64-bit Operating System
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: but again... it is an HP (:
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Eh, that should run things just fine
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: I guess I'm just impatient...
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: do they have a mushclient version for mac btw? supposed to be getting a new macbook pro soon... WOOT
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: No, but if you can get Wine for osx it works fine under wine
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: works under wine
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: ah good point
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: or I'll just VM it
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: what's the command to reset the S&D command window?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yoshi Tech: xset reset?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: ww help
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: nod
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Mush variables cant be used in a cexit right?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I.. don't think I've ever tried. What variables would you want to use?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: why would it need to ?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: pretty sure they can, but you might have a hard time getting it right
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Rauru: I use ; in mine.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: is there any reasons why Room ID's might ever change (is it probable?)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it has happened
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: generally in the context of areas reusing old ids
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: (new areas)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: im wondering if I should use 'mapper goto <id>' in some of my cexits or just use run commands
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: if room ids ever changed that would suck changing them all
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruly Rhuli Tech: Shouldnt be a problem, you can mapper purgearea when areas get replaced.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you should never need to purge areas anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the mapper is supposed to detect when a room changes areas
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ruly Rhuli Tech: Well then, shouldn't be a problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Rauru is meaning the aliases you put client side, which go to the beginning of an area or something with it being not even near the beginning.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it shouldn't matter unless you have a cexit that goes into an area that is going to get replaced
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: my example is opening the one door in Scarred lands and getting the keg. But if room ids arnt likley to change then ill use the ids and not hard speedwalks.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ids inside areas that are not going to get replaced will probably never change
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: are cexits stored in plain text anywhere
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: In the mapper's database.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: mapper help all really explains a lot.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But if you're looking for a text file, not explicitly.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "mapper cexits" will list all of them
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: sqlite manager seems to be doing what i want
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: By the way, not sure what I'm doing wrong here, but trying to make an alias to make making cexits a bit easier.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Uhm.. I didn't think it was difficult to begin with
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, #alias {mce} {mapper cexit open east;;;;east} and #alias {mce} {mapper cexit open east;;east} both fail.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: fail how?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: All it does is keep the "open east" part, but nothing else.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I use mce open east;;;;e for mine.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, that didn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: All it sent was "mapper cexit open east"
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: s
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You need mce open east;;run e...it worked for me.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The alias itself should do everything, I'm trying to avoid having to do all the parameters.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: would it sending to script versus execute make a difference
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Send to script is scripting, not executing commands.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: mapper cexits commands from aliases need to be execute
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: execute treats things as if you typed them in, which means aliases get run
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And the #ALIAS command sets it to execute.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, by theory, {mapper cexit open east;;;;east} would work.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, two too many.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: strange I thought its default was send to world?  Maybe I am wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: #ALIAS is a hack. it can do whatever you want. It might depend on which version you first downloaded, because replacing aliases in the world file is not clean
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nope, it's Execute.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's the latest version. Clean install.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: since most people copy their world file over
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you don't like how #alias works, change it by pressing Shift+Ctrl+9 and editing it
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, I love how alias works. I'm not complaining about that.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm just trying to figure out WHY mine won't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: all I know is I created it without #alias and my commands are same as yours and work fine.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: The amount of time you save with this alias (once you get it working) will be dwarfed by the amount of time invested in making it work
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: ^
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: mapper cexit open u;;u in box, send to execute, and enabled ticked only
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm, looking at aliases now, apparently they don't get overwritten, and instead, I now have double of the aliases.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ah, yeah, there's that
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think they should get overwritten though
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: my version does at least
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Weird.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh interesting
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 4.91 is the version I'm using.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I have some changes that I never committed to the world file. oops
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'll have to deal with it later
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Fiendish is afraid of commitment.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: add   name = "command_line_alias_"..Base64Encode("%1"), to the code for #ALIAS
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: inside addxml.alias
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and similar for #trigger
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish sighs.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you could of course not use the #alias alias and create it by hand
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but no reason to not fix it too
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I just find it more convenient. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's not more convenient if it doesn't work
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I should check if a plugin can modify world file aliases and then do it that way, so that people don't get stuck with old versions too when they copy their world files over
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the problem with fixing #alias is that only brand new players will ever see the fix
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Maybe make a plugin that creates the aliases from scratch, and ship a barebones world file?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: still only if it can be done
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, I have to run
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: what is the message you get when you time-out and disconnect (eyes glaze over...?)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Your eyes glaze over.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: is there some reason you need the entire line instead of just the ending?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You don't actually disconnect when your eyes glaze over though
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's a convenient warning to allow you to intervene.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I'm not disputing that
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: idk is it better to use the entire line instead of e.g. *eyes glaze over*?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: you need match enough of the line to distinguish it from any other similar line.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I make triggers as specific as possible, that way there's less chance of them firing when you don't intend them to.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: if glaze is sufficient, that is all you need to match.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, here's a case of issues when you don't make them specific enough.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: the trick for speed is to anchor the trigger. So you should always attempt to match the trigger from the start of the line.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I was running Deal or No Deal, and I would open up multiple cases. When I opened up cases, people would get the "map" command sent MULTIPLE times. Why? Because my phrasing at the time was, "Case # opens up to be..."
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: what do you mean by speed
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: start is better, but there's usually no particular advantage between start-of-line and end-of-line anchoring
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you don't anchor it, then the trigger searches for it on every line.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: triggers are setch using regex, so the match will be quicker if the start of the line matches.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: triggers are evaluated based on how fast they fail a match.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Speed, as in the amount of time Mushclient (or whatever client) spends looking at an incoming line to match triggers before processing finishes and it can be shown to the player.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you do anchor it, the trigger still searches for it on every line, except now it looks for it at the start.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: triggers are searched*
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: any by anchor you mean not usin a wildcard at the beginning?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the more you try to make a trigger pattern handle, the longer it will take for the parser to sift through all the possible combinations.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: that's correct, Etzli. The advantage of the anchored trigger is that a mismatch is discarded quicker.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, by anchor we mean using ^ and $
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Anchoring is using a ^ or a $ to match only those strings at the beginning or end of a line.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: again, yes
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: ^Your eyes glaze over. <-- will only match if it's the start of the line. -- Your eyes glaze over. <-- Will match it anywhere, and it has to go back and forth to match each letter of each trigger. The phrase has "your" in it several times? It has to go through every "your" to make sure it's not "your eyes glaze over"
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: and again, yes :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Do i have to manually anchor my triggers or does mushclient do that automatically
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: the client is not going to tell you how to write a trigger...
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: it can't tell whether you wanted anchored or not
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: kk
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: after anchoring, plain text is best, followed by wildcards ranging from most-specific (ie, %d or \d) to broad (*).
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: mushclient default is anchored, zmud default is unanchored ( must use ^ )
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: I have a trigger that changes the color of my prompt when I have 0 quest time left. Is there anyway i can make this "better": ^\[(.*?) 0qt(.*?)\] \>$
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i should probably read something on regex
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: regex is one of those things you want to learn if you want to do any kind of  text processing.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: here is what I think to be an excellent tutorial: http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I love Regexr as a program. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: here is a tool you can use to test your regex expressions: http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: In mushclient, you can also go Game->Test Trigger to make sure your patterns are matching.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: of course, if you are a lua user, I recommend you learn about parsing expressions, they are more flexible than regex. look for LPEG.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: anyone have a match for being disarmed
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: DISARMS you and sends your weapon flying!  (I think, from memory)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: You just made my disarm trigger go off.  :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: have you looked on the Aardwiki?  There's a page therein that has a lot of game messaging.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: * DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon! & *DISARMS you and sends your*
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: doesnt 100 get stale at 91, or do t9s keep their 100 gear
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there anyway to get a trigger to work more then once on the same line? cause my trigger doesent seem to even tho i have repeat on same line ticked? mushclient lua
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Keep evaluating? I don't know.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: perhaps your trigger pattern is too broad, as in it can match beyond the part you think it's matching on?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I don't know how mush's parsing works, but in CMud, the trigger pattern goes as broad as it can before attempting multiple matches.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: \s+(<stat names here>)\s+\:\s+(\+|-)([0-9]+)\s this is what im using to match on item stats i dont think it should be to broad?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: even making it less broad by making the first space match match only one space, its not triggering?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I assumed it was only matching once, when he wanted to have it match on both columns.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: im trying to get it to match on both colums its not, just one colum is matching
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what options do you have checked?  I see two that could potentially affect this, Keep Evaluating and Repeat on Same Line (which is greyed out for me, so I can't select it).
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i have both checked, ive also tried with only one checked
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, if all else fails you could do it with the optional regex stuff.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: optional regex?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, as in "this what I need to match, but you can match this stuff too if it exists"
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the ? means that what precedes it does not have to be there.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: okay i wouldnt know how to use it then havent had to before
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: except ? is 0 or 1, * is 0 or more :)
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's easy.  Just copy your original pattern for the first column and append it to what you already have.  Surround what you just pasted in a set of parentheses and outside that set of parentheses put a ?
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: k ill try
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that would make the entire second column optional while also explicitly defining it so that you don't have to use repeat on same line.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: since it's inside a box, you could of course also do the case list thing where you make the choices the pattern for the second column (when it is there) and /s+ when it's not.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: could even tweak that to look for a specific number of spaces instead of simply 1 or more.
T3/r7/2014-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: okay that works thanks, will just have to remember one wildcard will be the full match of the seccond column
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Can a sound trigger be stopped?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: set volume to mute xD
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: temporary solution
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: if you're using MUSHclient, there's a tickbox on the triggers configuration page, which will allow you to disable trigger sounds..
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think ctrl alt b stops sounds
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sweetchickx Tech: Does anyone know where I can find a script that reports eq stats to a channel? 
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sweetchickx Tech: for mush
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there any reason why (?P<Auct_type>[id|l|r]?)auctitem (?P<Auct_nbr>.*)$ would match on lauctitem <number> but not idauctitem <number> ?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Eh, if that's regex, then it should be (?:id|l|r), not [id|l|r]
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well im just trying to modify a script :P
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and the id|l|r are all optional
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: looks like he's tagging the captures.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gullible Anaristos Tech: for latter backrefs
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: alos yes, im capturing them
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: is it possible to do a "Send to Command" from a lua script, rather than a Send or Execute?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can put it on the command line.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And use send to script.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That regexp in brackets only matches one character, that's why it matches l but not id
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's why I said (?:id|l|r)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ah, missed that :D
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But seems people don't want to try that.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: etzli its a named capture for a reason :P, but ill just use i, it should work
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So you automatically dismiss my suggestion? Awesome. I'll remember that next time. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well you gave no pointers on how to incorperate it into my regex :P
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh? Telling you to use (?:id|l|r) instead of [id|l|r] wasn't pointer enough?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Guess some people don't know how to read.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't know.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: was a suggestion anyway.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: etz meant use (?P<Auct_type>(?:id|l|r)?)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: (tl:dr?)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or something like that
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: its not my script, tbh i dont think its the best way of doing the different commands but im just modifying it for someone else
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Didn't think a simple concept was hard to understand.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: w
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: which phone would you prefer to play aardwolf through blowtorch and to do stuff on in general ???      Phone one and two got both android 4.1 , 512 ram , 4inch screen, 800 by 480 resolotion.          only differences are phone one got 1ghz dual core while phone two got 1.2ghz dual core.. phone one got Radio,gps and better GPU about 6400 points on antutu benchmark.. also emotion UI of android version looks nice customizable and cheaper then phone two. phone one got 1gig left for apps but can use 32gig micro sd to dix that prob. phone 2 got about 2.5 gigs left. also phone one got proximty sensor and phone 2 don't..   at the end phone one got allot more features and cheaper then phone two but lags 200mhz. which one is the best for aard ?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'd get something with higher resolution and bigger screen. 
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: CPU is irrelevant.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: I can only choose between those two :)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: that 4 inch screen is so limiting unless you're just calling and texting
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: For mudding, those are equal.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: phone 1 i guess
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: you're not really going to feel that .2gig diff
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: GPS is really nice to have... at least if you are a walker, like me.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: and phone one got 1950 mah battery power and phone two only 1500 mah, Zetch what .2gig are you refering to
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: but if you are buying the phone only to play aard, you dont need gps
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: thing he means the gHz
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well i would go the cheaper version, cause well its cheaper :P
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: great so the 200 mhz won't affect aard, I guess 1ghz dual core snapdraggon cpu is fast enough to play aard through blowtorch with all wistles like triggers etc.. thanks all for the input
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: battery is pretty important
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: lol, I think I would buy a cheap laptop. It's almost the samo cost
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so is storage
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: playing aard the only thing that matters is screen size or input :p
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Any laptop beats any phone when it comes to playing aard.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn contemplatively looks at Ranrr, while slowly nodding his head and going, "Hmmm ...".
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: nods Redryn :) I'm just a casual player that want to play on blowtorch comfortabley.. on bbssh now lol
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what about a macintosh portable
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: mayb I can get 7inch proline tablet
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vaerion Tech: I agree on the laptop comment.  I have a cheap Lenovo I use for not much else other than Aard, and I use my phone's 4G when I don't have wifi.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: but what if getting the slow phone you are then tempted by something that requires a fast phone, and what if you get the fast phone, you realise that playing games on a phone is ludicrous (compared to either a laptop or a proper computer, or not playing games at all)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: I played aard through blowtorch on EDGE network with no lag at all!!! that was so awesome and the battery lasts forever
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tablet would be a lot better imo
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not playing games at all, now that's crazy talk.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: biggest problem with phones is that you can't type fast
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: (or with tablet)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: phone one can play need for speed most wanted lag free, iv watched it on youtube
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: if I get a tablet I can hdmi out it to my big lcd tv and plug in a usb keyboard
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: ok thanls ! I'll try to get tablet then if I got enough money. if not I will be happy with phone one
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: but you did not discuss which tablet
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: the tablet got 1.2 gighz dual core and 1gig ram , 500 more then phone one and got 1000 by 700 resolution and 4gig hd
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xes Tech: kit kat android
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: real women know that you need to install telnet as an option on Windows 8 :)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: real men use windows 3.1
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: real people use linux or unix
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loree slaps Ranrr with a Solaris install!
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: real men use CP/M
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'd rather install linux than solaris, given a choice....
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Not even open solaris?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Is CP/M still around? Haven't used it since the 80s....
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Haven't tried open solaris.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: it went the way of OS2
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}StarsOscar Tech: actually real men use C-x M-c M-butterfly
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I prefer vim.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: somewhing weierd happened. Pc restarted and when i open mush it says file does not have a valid mushclient xml signature and unexpected file format
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: somewhing weierd happened. Pc restarted and when i open mush it says file does not have a valid mushclient xml signature and unexpected file format anyone have an idea of how to fix it?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm seeing random red dots, prolly artifacts
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Seeing. them where?  .
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not sure if I should sell my laptop before the gpu sies, if it overheats, or drivers are retarded, or the game is retarded
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just random on the screen
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: you oc?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: You have latest display driver? 
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: yes but downgraded
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but I can't remember if this current version has artifacts, haven't played yet today
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the temp is about 80C
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: also when I turn vsync on, fps locks at 60, but if i turn it off it locks at 30
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: which may not be related to the red dots :p
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: have diablo 3 been released for the linux version?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's playable on wine I think
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but pretty sure not ported yet
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there's a console version if you have that
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: don't use console except wii
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Any way I can force a noportal flag on a portal room, without directly editing the mapper db?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Echo the message for noportal while in the room - but I kind of wonder why you'd want to do this?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I'm taking what you asked to mean, you CAN portal out of the room, you just don't want to.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: it is beind a key door
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: behind*
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Just put a level lock on the key
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: or rather the door that requires a key.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: right but if the mob behind that door is say a cp mob, mapper wont (try) to run me there
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: No portal will keep you from trying a portal in the room - won't effect you going into the room....
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: its also norecall
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: What room is this?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Room 10534 (Sanctity of Eternal Damnation)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Still don't think I understand what you are trying to do, that marking it noportal falsely helps
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: Mapper will try to run to the closest room to escape the area. One room is behind a door (also has an aggro mob) another room is one step away that is a better path. If i put a level lock then S&D wont try and run me to the key/aggro mob if i get it as a quest target or cp mob.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Ahh yes then what I suggested will work...don't think I've come across this issue must deal with it by running out myself I guess.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: How do I echo something (i think i need to echo ^Magic walls bounce you back\.$)?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Just echo it, no special chars.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Type echo Magic walls....etc
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: While in the room of course
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: There might even be a command that does it, not sure.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: awesome it worked
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: Sooo, I dropped my laptop and it's 100% gone. Sadly. Does anyone know if I could get a keyboard for the wii or 360 and get telnet/java or flash client to work?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: you can get a keyboard yes, telnet not 100% sure of haha
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: you could open a web-based telnet client through the Wii's web browser
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: I had a friend about 10 years ago that played from his TV, Not sure if a game system helped or if he did it through a cable box that had internet on it :-/
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: mod your wii to run linux x)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: or do that :)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: Can you do that? O_o
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: yes lol
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: very easily
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: you can mod almost any modern system to run linux
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: I mean... how easy, can you walk me through it?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: it's a pretty painless process, there are guides online that can walk you through it
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: i keep trying to tell you stuff in newbie >.<
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asuke Tech: try googling 'linux on wii'
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: I can't find anything :(
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: one sec bud ill get you a link haha
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: Enchantra you there still? :)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii-Linux
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: that has a full tutorial and is a very good version of linux for a wii
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: Is that really the best solution? What does it do exactly? I've never heard of it
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: itll switch your wii to be a computer instead basically, which is what MUD games orignally ran on (Linux that is haha)
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: Hah, I heard of it so much.. Is it still going to play all the wii games/basic menu and all that fun stuff that the kids use it for?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: as i have never done it myself im gonna say im not sure bud...if you look into the link i gave it may give some insight
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Silentdecay Tech: either way best of luck man, i know the pain of breaking a laptop >.> haha
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: with bast spellup, how do you give 1 spell priority over another?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: the answer is here https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/bast_spellup#Walkthrough
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: ty
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Inwizible Domain Tech: is there a good program that checks for driver conflicts?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You mean like drivers that are trying to use the same resources? Device Manager in Windows is good about pointing that out.
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: Sooooo, I have a new computer :P
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: congrats
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: anyone know the command to turn off the noexp automatic setting in bast script?
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: statdb campaignxp off
T3/r7/2014-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: thanks very much Zetch
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there anyway to access my 11th variable in a trigger capture in a stand along trigger, lua mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: help aarchaelogy rewards
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: can I tell mapper to use recall instead of keep trying the portals in noportal rooms? 
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yeah I think you have to set a bounce something or another...and it'll do it automatically
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: I suspect it has something to do with the bounceportal, portalrecall etc settings?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: so should I set a portal as bouncerecall? or should I somehow add the recall command as bouncerecall?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: anyone know the help commands for bast miniwin quest plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: 'bq help' or 'mq help' not working
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Click on the 'm', choose commands - help?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: well thats the problem, my window isn't showin
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: the bars on my groupmon don't ever seem to change, even though my groupie is clearly losing hps/mana/moves...any thoughts?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: usually it shows even if I can't do a quest yet... I guess I'll just wait and see if it pops up once my timer expires
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: reloaded plugin and did the same thing..
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: hrmmmmm... quest miniwindow only shows up now when I actually have a quest, not sure why... it used to stay put and give me a timer, but now the window just vanishes after i complete quest... any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: bast miniwindow quest plugin that is
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zoot Tech: you can try typing mquest quest show
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: mquest! thank you, was looking for that command
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: i was trying mq
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: sweet, that did it!
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zoot Tech: great :)
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: no players named Dingo huh? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: dingo is the name of a mob
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: awhh, boo
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: btw, checkname command is great
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: no monty python fans huh? lol
T3/r7/2014-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: Zoot and Dingo? ... eh nvm lol
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: I'm having some trouble with lua scripts.. I want to set a variable, then call it back into a channel.. but it always seems to report the LAST setting of the variable, rather than the one just picked up by a trigger.. does anyone have any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unreal Imm Anaristos Tech: mush?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: depends on the order you have them firing.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: set the variable first, then report
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lacuros Tech: what means echo alias updates? 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lacuros Tech: android
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lacuros Tech: what mean on android the: Use suggestions? 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hey, has anyone got experience with windows 8.1 and know of any reason why a new laptop with it installed might periodicly reboot without warning?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: it's faulty?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: needs to install updates?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and its not overheating, and i dont have the data to install updates
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i would say it's just plain faulty
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: also updates with my last windows 7 made me have to do backups
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: restors
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: so the updates broke the system?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: they did last time thats why i havent run them this time
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how is win 7 related to your 8.1
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i think that was just an aside
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: some gpu drivers used to crash mine at some point
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but it was obvious
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ? how so? cause i dont get a warning, just black screen and then normal boot
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well no warning other then, if im in mush, takes 4 - 5 secs before commands register, but by then its to late
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: are you sure it's 8.1 and not just a hardware that is dying
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i only bought the laptop a couple days ago, so was hoping this may have been encountered before and a simple fix
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: honestly, if there's nothing in the event log it's pretty certain to be hardware failure, and there's no point talking about it, you need to get it replaced asap.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well sadly I also I think it might be hardware
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: event log?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: or you got yourself some malware
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine had blue screen and I checked the dump file after it restarded
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well come on, 2 days and new windows, he must be browsing some sick stuff to get malware that fast
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: maybe he did :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i shouldnt have got malware ? i havent been to sites that i havent been to before, tho i replaced norton with avira
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: norton can make any new computer seem 10 years old
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: cause norton ended up being a virus last time i used it :|
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: omg norton is horrid
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: and just out of total curiousity, how does one not go to a site they haven't been to before?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: heh?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: just put avast! on comp and call it a day
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: avast?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: thats what I use
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: free
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: decent antivirus
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: its become a bit bloated over the years
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i use avira, its free constantly updated and i know it works
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: but just stick with free stuff, and ignore whenever it says crap about grime on your computer
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: hmmm avira.. i'll go check it out
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: it gives the occational add but "upgrading" has never been necisarry
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: I'm trying to schmooze an SRX out of Juniper for use at my house lol
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: you still need to update though right?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: definitions at least?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: HorkewKamuy nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: maybe I am paranoid but I run avast plus malaware plus spybot s&d. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: but its good it updates frequently
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: hey better safe than sorry lol
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: last time i ran more then 1 anti malware, they both thought the other was a virus :P
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: you have a firewall?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: LOL remarto
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: once in awhile one catches something that the others miss, which is why I do it.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: could just go balls to the wall and get a mac :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto convulses as he shudders in disgust.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto takes one look and turns green as he starts to gag.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: lolol
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: can't afford Apple products
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Nope - unplug from the internet and only use the computer in a lead lined room.  That would be my recommendation.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: there are windows admins at my work that have switched to apple, and they don't ever want to touch windows again
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: but yes, I agree they are quite expensive
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: no i dont like macs, the layout os horrible, also i only had trouble with windows vista and the like, wish they never got rid of xp :(
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: I buy cheap and then add on the protection because I know it is a vulnerable POS.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: i actually prefer the layout heh, just takes getting used to since my brain is so wired for windows
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: but I wish they had an updated version of NT
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: tbh, windows 7 / 8 is to "user friendly" cant do much with it anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: 100% agree
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: never touched 8
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: i'm constantly annoyed by new things I've discovered have been moved around for no apparent reason at all
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah well everything at the store was preloaded win 8.1
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: we have 8 on one laptop. I am still trying to get used to it. I think I would like it on a tablet.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: that's why I usually buy my PC pieces from tiger direct, then just build
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: it is definitely tablet oriented.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah well laptops are different matter :P
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: old hacked *cough* copies of windows work for me
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: we still have xp at work. :o
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: yea to an extent, but you can still customize those... although harder to prevent them from putting preloaded crap software on there
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there any way to fix the mapper when the mapper is putting the run section before using portal alias's?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: how do i get the backed up db to load instead of the one running now? A whole bunch of plugins etc are missing when i logged in this time?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: The plugins aren't stored in a DB I don't think.  They are stored in your world file (MCL), assume you are talking mush.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: yes, MUSH. and can i reload an older version of the world file?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yes, but don't think it's backed up by default. You'd have to have enabled backups - which is an option in Mush OR manually backed it up yourself.  Been a while though since I've messed around with them, so I'd ask around to see if there are other options.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: thanks. sounds like time to update MUSH and start again. sigh. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Are you sure you've loaded the right Mushclient copy?  I've accidentally opened older versions I had floating around.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: pretty sure. only have the one version loaded on this comp. only a few months old.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Can post on boards and someone who knows more might have a better answer :)  Also check out the upgrade instructions on aardwolf.com - they can help you transfer some of the stuff to the new install.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: thanks again. will do.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Also how many plugins we talking here?  One or two?  How many show up when you load the plugin screen...
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twanger Tech: I'm using cmud, and I would like help changing the "dark blue" ansii that is shown on the local map.  dark blue against black is not easy to see.  Can anyone assist?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So, I know everyone hates Winkle's S&D and blah blah, so let's grant that it sucks and that in the good old days everyone did it better and Winkle ruined Aardwolf. That said, is there some way to get rid of the little Search & Destroy GUI bar while keeping the plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: i can think of a lot of things that hurt aard more than winkle's S&D script
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I'm happy for you. Do you have an answer to my question? :P
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: And it issss?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: yah can be removed
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: it's in kojiro's aardbag
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal takes a dump in Kojiro's Aardbag. 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: How, TrEz?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: A bag of aardwolf is too full to contain a massive dump
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal wipes with the bag, then.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal is creative.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: how many pockets did Kojiro purchase 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the gui is a separate plugin, either disable it or if you needs parts from it, ask someone that can read lua to remove the functions that draw it
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Hm. So I basically need someone who knows how it's coded to tell me whether the gui plugin is required for the main functionality.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: you dont need the gui plugin, just mapper extender and the main s&d plugin.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: donations are open, ab excellent opportuniy for Kojiro to "buy" enough pockets to carry those  500 items in the bloated corpse
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it has some commands that I've seen people use, so I dunno if you need them
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but other than that the main crap will work standalone I think
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: it works without the GUI for sure, I never use the GUI
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: why would I want to click stuff when I'm playing a MUD? is my logic :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Alright, thanks. I've never used the GUI, s it just clutters shit up.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: it would probably be cheaper for kojiro to pay someone in Bangladesh to learn to play aardwolf and level an SH mule for him
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Viper Ophelion Tech: the gui plugin is just to allow you to click in that miniwindow. it's not needed.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's not just that
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Kojiro humorously trolled a suggestion that any Kojiro mule may be stuck carrying Kojiro's 500 items several months -- as if
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: several months? how slowly does he level?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: mud only lets me use the level up command once or twice eveyr couple weeks :(
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal snickers with [Outlaw] Drakoth about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: That's an effective leveling strategy when you don't feel like hacking up a diseased lung on your keyboard!
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: perhaps Kojiro may purchase a level 41 absomax gaardian set featuring +2.Str on each abso-resonate -- the +4.Dex already on the vanilla gaardian is 2 items each
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: write him a note with your clever suggestion
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zade is laaaaazy
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: insufficient information on the Kojiro corpse: current Weight data, weight of and number items in corpse, # of pockets, trained Str Dex, equipment Str Dex,  whether any junk in the corpse may be discarded or sold or auctioned or marketed, etcetera 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: Does anyone know why the Aardwolf android client wouldn't echo alias updates made with the dot command?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: for example, I type .bob beetle, setting my bob alias to be replaced with beetle. It used to show something like [bob->beetle]
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: that should have been .tt but I didn't have match end of line selected, heh.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: I found 'echo alias updates' in options, it was enabled. I tried unclicking it and reselecting it but there is no change.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: I guess it's safe to assume no one else uses the Aardwolf RPG android client.. heh
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: i think that is blowtorch aard listed under clients?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: but never used it myself
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: but appears as if others DO use it :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: just none on the tech channel currently :(
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: the only thing I know how to do is delete buttons since it gets asked alot :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: Ah, it would appear that I have found a bug.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: turning off local echo of commands sent to server also disables local echo of alias updates, even if you have 'echo alias updates' enabled
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sarutobi Tech: no idea where to file this though
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: is there a way to trigger off of a message in the comm log?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: nvm, figured out a different method
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: anything special i have to do, page doesnt make a sound on my computer when someone pages me
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: any game volume button somewhere?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: tech wizards i need some help with my hard drive
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: it's almost full and I have almost no idea what is taking up so much space
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: use a sledge hammer
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: koji we went through this
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zagyg Tech: LOL
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: windirstat
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I know we did, and then I fell asleep and forgot it all
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: = win
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: something about shrinking your .pst files.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and deleting your porn
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: like wyza said, windirstat will help you figure out what's taking up the most space, then delete some of it
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Kojiro has hentai....not porn.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: amounts to the same thing :P
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: is windirstat a thrid party program?  doesn't run anything in the run line
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: yeah it is
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I use treesizefree
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: treesize free, rather
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but probably about the same thing
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: which one would win in a fight to the best
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: they're pretty similiar. treesize free has a version you don't have to install, which is nice
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: is cnet a safe site to download it from?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: running out of space seems to be a common theme for you
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: just figure out which folder has the most crap in it. Do a manual search if you must. Can't take more than log time.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: won't you just get another hdd?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: neg, maybe soon but I don't want to figure out how to make 2 drives get along.  I've never had 2 drives before.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: dolt, too soon man, too soon
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: you plug the other one in.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: yes sonshi but don't i have to install windows again on it or something
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: end of story.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: no, you leave windows where it is, and the second drive becomes another drive like D:\. Remember this conversation?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: this tree size file is taking forever to read all the files, are you sure it's not just copying them?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: it says access denied to c:/windows/temp/  is that normal behavior?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: do you, by chance, run antivirus?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: you should probably run as administrator
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: If you didn't install it, you need to run it with admin priviliges, I would imagine
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I don't see any specific antivirus running in the icons at the bottom right of windows
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you on windows 8?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: is it possible you're running windows defender?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: win 7
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: check your security, see if windows defender is running
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if it is, try having it scan your stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: why, do you suspect i have a virus?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-system/virus-filling-up-hard-drive/db44a9e5-5572-4317-bfa3-6ac1a719db56
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: could be a worm, just replicating itself on the drive, and filling it up.  some viruses do that.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at Negader.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It is those hentai site you know
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if it's not your porn collection, movie collection or music collection... it's unlikely to be something that's not malware-based
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: if you have vista or win-7, you could download, microsoft essentials, it's an antivirus pgm from microsoft and it's free.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: pretty sure essentials is just a package that includes windows defender, which is the antivirus software
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: alternatively, you could sacrifice performance and go with norton, mcafee, panda, etc
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: alternatively, you could go the "free is better, eff you greedy people" and get AVG or avast or whatever
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: alternatively, you could view less porn
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: at one point, i read that essentials beat out other purchased anti-v programs.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: how much performance is sacrificed with Norton
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I find it interesting that everyone one thinks Kojiro view porn on his computer all the time.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: I have used AVG and Avast (different computers) and found them both to be decent
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: a non-trivial amount when active scanning is enabled
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Norton and McAfee are horrible programs.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: they are resource hogs, but they do good antivirus work imo
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: again, you sacrifice performance so you can browse irresponsibly
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I'm a family man, I don't do that stuff.  I also don't pirate anything.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: then click on less "Doctors wont let this guy show you how to lose weight with this one easy trick!" stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Kojiro is married with Kids.....sounds like a sit-com on Fox.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: then any decent antivirus will likely work. 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I only have 8.8 GB free of 465 GB
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: and microsoft essentials is not a resource hog (for some reason unavailable to Norton anf McAfee) (?)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not unavailable, unimportant it seems
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and windows defender is kind of meh in the protection category iirc
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you could also run disc cleanup, although i HIGHLY doubt that's going to actually fix your problem
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I think I found the culprit
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: do share
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: a self-replicating virus called "Steam" ate 60% of my drive
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: Scars's hunch was right then.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i thought steam was a gaming thing
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Giant Kraken Tech: it is. he's attempting to be humourous
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: at least you won't need an A-V program.  not too harful.  just click the folder and push delete :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ..harmful...
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2670539
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you're welcome
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: just kidding about steam.  i ran tree w/o admin and it only shows 372 / 465
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: if i delete something and it lives on in the recycle bin, how much space does it take up
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: essentially the same
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the same amount :p
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the recycle bin is just another folder
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: more or less
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: ok.  if i get a second hard drive does it have to be the same speed?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you're going to solve your steam "problem" by just buying more hdd space?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: sounds about right
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: raising the debt ceiling solution imo
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza is agreeing with that <pretitle> Scars person again...
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: it isn't hard to put in a 2nd HDD on a desktop.  youtube probably has the instruction.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i don't even want to know how much my steam folder would take if everything i owned from it over the years was installed
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'm not super familiar with steam, but it seems like this isn't even sort of pretending to address the source of your problem
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: could you just not install all of your games, or remove them as you quit playing them?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: steam is the god of digital distrobution for games
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: distribution even
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: mostly because 6-12 months after AAA games come out they sell them for 50-75% off :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: aaa?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the big titles that are usually 60$ :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Yeah, it's full of bibles and crap. the opposite of XXX games
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: ex: Diablo III, Assassin's creed, bioshock, etc would be classified as a AAA games
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: oh
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: but steam also is big in the indie circle now too
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: so, i'd bet you good money that your problem is that you have a log file size problem
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: figure out if you can't limit the size of the log files steam is generating
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: nah, steam is a hog for game storage.  
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: It's those damned steam sales.. I can't resist
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: block-o-text inbound - post from a forum
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: I did use SpaceSniffer and found the file that triggered the problem with Steam. I have a pogoplug, and for reasons unknown yesterday it suddenly created an 87GB log file. This took my HDD free space under 5GB. Some time later Steam started downloading game updates and required more than 6GB, which reduced the free space to zero. To free up space, I'd deleted 1-2 GB of files, and Steam continued to eat that free space, forcing the HDD back down to zero. I freed up more space, and the drive once again went down to zero. This continued until I killed Steam.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: bioshock infinite is 17gb , and that's just 1 game
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: most high-graphic games are 10-30Gb now days
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: some are getting as high as 50Gb
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I just don't have enough spinning rust for that
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and this is why i rely on my fast internet instead of huge SSD :)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: it sounded like he was "suddenly" having space issues
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: so the recycle bin on my desktop is empty, but tree is showing $RECYCLEBIN with 24 GB in it.  what gives?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: reset
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: programs like that usually aren't reading it in real time, (though windirstat does)
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: emptying the recycle bin doesn't actually flush
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: scars can you explain that better?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: love windirstat
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: what does flush and reset mean
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: alright back up to 50 gb.  thanks all
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Darnit!  I always confuse name and id in html elements/javascript!
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: In mush, in aliases (ctrl + shift + 9), is there a way to echo client side?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Note("text")?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Or just echo text
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: 0h 5
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Echo is server side tho right?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: it is a mud command, yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: if you send it to script, you can use Note("text")
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: echo is a server command. it makes a round trip.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: which can be very useful sometimes
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I just want to take note of something, don't need to send to mud
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: print() and Note() will both work
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you're sending to Script
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Problem is, I'm not
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: where are you sending to?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I'm sending to Execute
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: if you want to see exactly what you *are* sending to the mud, use 'echocommand'
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Don't send to Execute then. Send to Script and call Execute("stuff") when you want to execute it
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I made an alias that does a list of 'xset mark ####'
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Gonna try that Fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Ah wait
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Execute will work with 'xset mark' ?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't use xset. I assume so.
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Execute("xset mark here")
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Okay will try thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Execute just means pretend like you typed it 
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's the same thing as sending to execute
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you may also be able to go the other way, though this part is less certain
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can try sending to execute and then having \\\print("stuff")
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: because \\\ is the Aardwolf package default script prefix
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Ooh
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I'll try that too
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: input that begins with \\\ is sent to script instead of execute
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Say this alias has many lines, one line for each xset
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: What I basically want is -> xset mark 1234; \\\Note("Area A set")
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Is that correct?
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'd still recommend going the other way
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but you can try it
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: \\\ Note("this") didn't work
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: It executed \Note("this")
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I guess you know it doesn't work then
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: send to script
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Nod
T3/r7/2014-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Other way around worked perfectly, thanks Fiendish. (:
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Haaaalp.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice at Redryn, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I did everything it said to do on the Aardwolf page for updating one's client. Only pretty much everything Bast-plugin-related is gone (eqsets, statdb, etc.), even though I copied the bst plugin file from the old to the new directory.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal  :(
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: where's the instructions? i'm not familiar with what they are :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: under upgrading the client about halway down
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: did you copy all the bast plugins over?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and install them all?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Yeah, I just copied the Bast file that has everything Basty in it over. And yeah, I installed them.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So, e.g., I can do eqs list, and I get no eqsets.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Though I had like 12 before.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the info for that would be in the state file
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I copied all the state files over from the old directory to the new one and replaced the versions that already existed.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: open the plugin xml files for those missing data, find the ID (at the top, like 16 random chars or something), and ctrl-f for that state file in the old directory
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: restarted your client?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: They don't exist in the old directory any more. The plugins/state folder is empty.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: huh? how did it get emptied
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Hm. I closed the world, didn't try to restart the client. 
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I moved everything from teh old state directory to the new one.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well that might not be good :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Ok, gonna try to restart. Hopefully the foot pedal will work right this time, too. 
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: did you copy the state files while mush was already running? :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: No no no.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I did all the file copying before I started the new version of the client.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try and backup whatever statefiles that are still old
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just concerned the plugins overwrite the old state files with blank info
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and this is why i never update my mush :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i just install a new mush into the same folder
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: just waiting to see if bast implements an improvement to the sets plugin that i sujested
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I think that's what happened. Fuck me. Because I just looked at the state file for one of the eq plugins, and it says date saved and time, and the time was 11 minutes ago when I closed and reopened the world.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Remind me to punch Fiendish in the junk next time I see him.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: What I don't get is that the spellup plugin is working just like it did before. The statsdb and eqdb ones are acting like they're all new.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: bad timing with the loading i guess
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: next time don't delete your originals :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I didn't. It's just the way shit copies on a Mac when you move stuff around in the Finder.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh mac...
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn comforts Lady Serina.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ahh using a mac, now theres your problem
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Hrm. Ithink I might have figgered it out. Brb.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: If I'm not back in 5 minutes, just wait longer.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: BOOYAKASHA.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I had to copy the stats.db and eq.db files from the old /logs directory to the new one. It's all back.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh bast's plugins use an sql db?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: good to know i suppose :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I still want to punch Fiendish in the junk for wearing those glasses.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: https://github.com/fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i just installed bast stats plugin, but i can't seem get to all the other tab like level, quest, etc..  i installed the statdb as well
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: You have to do each of the things before the tabs will populate with data.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: nevermind, its working...
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: AND NOW I'M TYPING IN CAPS WHEN MY CAPS LOCK IS OFF and not in caps when my caps lock is on. joy.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: But only in Mushclient.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal kicks Wine.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: virtual shift key is stuck!
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Yeah, this is the last time I ever update aardmush. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So, when caps lock is on, Pressing The Shift Key Works Like Normal. But when caps lock is off and it types in all-caps, the shift key has no effect.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: All better. Stupid Wine.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I just installed blowtorch-aard on my phone but when I try to connect it times out.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: connection problem?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I can connect to anything else, google or other websites
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: 7777 is the port?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: uh i don't think so,
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: that's the default it comes up with.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: try 23
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: or 4000
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: ok, let's see what happens.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: how do you change the setting? For one thing it says timeout set to 14 seconds, that might be one problem.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: timeout set to 14 sec is fine
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: so how do you get to the settings?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: isn't setting the port on the initial screen or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: like you have to create a world and port number to connect to
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: when I tap on the app it comes up with it already trying to connect
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: just after it's been installed? did you get it directly off google play?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: yeah, I dumped the app from my laptop to the google play and then installed it
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: click on the world name and attempt to connect
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: oh wait
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: just hold on press onto the world name then you can edit/delete the world
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: if it doesn't work and you really want to aard on your phone... then just get it off google play... download and installation takes 5 seconds total
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Aard on your phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Serinal boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: then it will be a "clean" app where you can properly connect
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: so the one in google play and the one on the blowtorch-aard page are not the same?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: apparently the same except for icon picture sand some other minor stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: hmm but apparently port 7777 is supposed to work as well
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: where did you hear about 7777?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: on the aardwolf website. it's stated
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: it's the port it is configured to use by default
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: 23/4000/4010/4444/7777
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: We've already established Redryn has never visited the Aardwolf website. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea it's not up to date :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: so 7777 is not working already?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it might be, help ports says differently
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: tsk! which imm is the webmaster?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: probably lasher :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lasher :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's more likely that your ports are blocked though
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: anyway, uninstalled and re-installed and same problem. It times out.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: sorry, one sec, I have to go do my 29000th quest :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: *Yay!*  Go Exiled To Aphelion!!!  Ezkai cheers him on.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: I still do not have a cell phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: can someone confirm if the aardwolf blowtorch is any different from the google play one?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: isn't the aard blowtorch on gplay?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: ok, i meant the vanilla blowtorch app
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: anyway the website tells you to download the app to your computer then transfer it to your phone.. no indication of download through google play
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: you can do it either way, I did. If you have a google account and it's synched to your phone you can download it from the web page, if not, just put the phone on usb and open the app page and just copy it from your comp over.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: tsk. once again lasher needs to update that webpage to say that people can get it off google play too.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I have the google phone so I can control everything from my laptop :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: well i have no problems even connecting with 7777 on my phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: so it's either a connection problem or your ports are blocked. not sure how to rectify that on your phone.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: well, blowtorch-aard started working :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: did you have to do anything?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: no. Well, I deleted the download and pulled it back from the play store and it worked  this time.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I found out that sometimes you have to disconnect from the network and go back for an app to work.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: wow, that 1080p display is small but a lot sharper than my laptop :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: does anyone here use zmud in windows 8?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: does anyone know what a sharing violation is when i try to acess my script file?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: that something else is accessing that file
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: notepad++ is but ive never had this problem before?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: No idea. But your mud client locked it or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i woudlnt think so, ive set notepad++ as my script editor and whenever i save the scriptfile that error comes up
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i recently had to transfer mush from my dead computer to this one, last computer mush had no problems with it, this one does
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: upgrade?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: motherboard blew
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: not so easy to replace in a laptop
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i ment did you upgrade mush
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i downloaded a new mush, but then i transfered old mush over and replaced everything
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: this is going to be anoying if i have to keep re initializing my script file each time i save it
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: So.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Plugin conflict.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: In order for bast's stat-tracker to properly keep track of cp data, it seems to need broadcast_cp working. but if you enable broadcast_cp, it conflicts with winkle's s&d.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: It's a conundrum.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: It is working for me just causing a double output of cp check one for each plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Right, that's what I mean. Doesn't that annoy you?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Or is my problem that the stick is lodged too far up my ass?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sorvez Tech: a little but not to bad
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there a way of doing something like what the aardwolf colour copy script does for triggers, and coppy the wildcard but keep all the colourcodes with it?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i can get it to register the first colourcode, but if it has multiple colour codes i dont know how to get them to register
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tepeyollotl Tech: had to reinstall MUSH and all plugins, etc. and now Bast's consider plugin only colors some mobs but not all. any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: any mushclient lua functions that convert RGB colour codes to normal colorcodes @w 
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: cause i cant find any on gammons site enless im looking in the wrong place
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note the options when you right-click highlighted text in teh comm window (maybe even in main output window)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: look in your MUSHclient folder...comes with aard client
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: so your saying look in the chat window plugin for the function..
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: i'd look at the aard_copy_colour_codes.xml file and aardwolf_colors.lua files
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both are in your plugins folder
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well colorcodes one doesent help me ill try the colors one
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: In MC, which auto-login variant should I use?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: in MUSH, is there an easy way to gag a block of text spanning across multiple lines? I can easily omit the lines I'm actually capturing, but I wondered if there was an easy way to say "from this point to that point, omit the lines"
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could do multiline trigger, but coming from a dumb client, I'm used to approximating stateful by "start gag here", "gag all", end gag there"
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: yeah, that's what I'm hoping for, something to that effect.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: really needs an 'omit until triggered by this line' ability.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's easy...omit on *, turn off on triggered by this line
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: except none of my triggers fired when I tried that.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check for fallthrough
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a stop processing or something
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: I may have it worked out now, hmm.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: keep evaluating is what I needed. Thanks.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I have an online game on my iPad (Hearthstone) that I play on my lunch break at work.  It was working fine last week, but every time I've tried this week, it fails to find a connection every time I try to start a game.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Would this be caused by blocked ports, or what?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: It works fine on other networks
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: probably
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: probably
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: apple is jealous of blizzard
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: would connecting through a vpn help with that?  would anything help with that?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: your work doesn't want you gaming
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: other than talking to the ip dept, of course
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: vpn would probably solve it
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: however, alot of works disallow vpn
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: assuming your work allows you to do that
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: nods
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: for exactly the reason you are suggesting
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: companies in general are starting to resent breaktime personal business through company networks.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loony Lachdanan nods at None the Wyza.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: companies are evil
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: it does carry a decent amount of risk
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: hearthstone was fun for about a week.  got tired of going 12 and out in the arena
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they don't care about employees anymore than being cogs in machines
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: IT departments are paid to be risk averse
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they could easily setup a subnet for public wifi that only employees can access but that doesn't have access to internal resources
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: 8+ wins 75% of the time with hunter got boring
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I'll try out a VPN tomorrow, then.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: strange that it was working fine last week, though
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: IT departments are often increasing locked down stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: not really. people decide to block things all the time, they don't generally inform you of everything they do
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why?  It's not just security they're worried about.  Efficiency and productivity are top priorities as well, and employees who are thinking ahead to the next quest or online rumble aren't as productive (and/or careful or considerate) as those focusing on work.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: especially if they use a 3rd party company that provides blacklists
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: well, it's a school...so they're probably not doing it to get on employees nerves
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: also more and more salt usb drives than server has ports
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the 3rd party company distributes files on a regulary that includes lists of new things to block
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: that's pretty standard with firewall appliances
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: nods, maybe
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and if its a school, they might block games to annoy the students :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: er to "help them not be distracted"
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: well, the network we're on (assuming it's the same as the wired network) is part of a tutoring center.  so they don't want the students on facebook and stuff in the tutoring center
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: there you go
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: what kind of school will block that?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: the kind that wants to maximize learning
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: if students are allowed to use the network, then shouldn't the school assume that students are mature enough?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: the kind that wants to minimize bandwidth use
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: like in college etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: bandwidth for students is expensive
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: then if you're in high school/elementary school, the network is actually for staff?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: the network is a privelege not a right
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: comm college
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I read a case about this guy who was planning a romantic evening for his wife, and was going to pick her up at work to present her with a bouquet of flowers.  He was on his last break of the day and decided to order the flowers online.  He got fired for breaking company policy.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i'm not from the US so i can't say, but over here a network is definitely a right in the university
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I doubt they can trace my iPad back to me :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: maybe he was warned not to do it again
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: at the college i worked at previously, we had about 800 on campus students, we needed a 200mb pipe to maintain that population
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they can easily do that madcatz
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: NSA can.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: piece of cake
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: they know its an ipad, they know its on wireless, and they can tell which wirelass acces point you are connected to
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: also, its name might give it away :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: So little?  We often stress out the connection with 12mbps for 4 people.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we blocked bittorrent jhav :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, that's why it was such a story.  It was about how companies were beginning to apply policy to timeframes that were traditionally considered private time.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 200mb for 800 ppl is pretty little :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: wow 12 mb per sec
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: without the bittorrent block it was 100% maxed all the time :)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: bittorrent is such a huge drain and there are copy right issues so that's why most organizations block it.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how did you block bit torrent actually, can't it use any port?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: packet sniffer
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: I have a long list of sites that I block for my wife and kids on our network
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: poor wife
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: nyt.com, cnn.com, sublimedirectory.com, etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: University of Louisville has a 40Gb pipe for its campus, not sure how many thousand students they maintain though
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: prob acls red along with a blacklist
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: nyt? etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: lol, he doesn't want his family to learn anything
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: clearly. flatlander.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: if they are curious about something they know who to ask (me)
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: he probably doesn't block foxnews though
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: in other words, you are a control freak
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: then there's a standard port that it works via default
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: anyone evil enough to block their family from learning materials so they can only learn it from their husband doesn't deserve respect
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: Guy like that would be served with divorce papers in my world
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: but for schools they prob have only a handfull fo sites allowed and everything else is denied
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: the internet is a dangerous and corrupt place, I am protecting them
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: you are controlling them
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: as a father and a husband and a breadwinner it's my responsibility to keep them safe and sound
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i forgot how really trolly you are
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: what about pr0n
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: goddess save US from such protection
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: such sadness to be denied pr0n, both your wife and your kids
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: even if the sky is falling down I know they'll be safe and sound
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: he probably is one of those cult leaders out in texas
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yes because you could protect them from the apocolyps 
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: i did my co-oop at a vocatioal school the teachers have to put in a request if they want to use a site for thier class  thats how things get opened up
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: he is single and lives in his mom's basement
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: true that
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: lol nah, I'm a family man who retired at the age of 29.  Couldn't be luckier in life and love.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: None the Wyza buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and i'm the queen of england
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: if you can afford to retire, you're most definitely involved in some IT startup, not a Texan cult leader
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: he's lying
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: he's a pathological troll
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: no to the IT startup but I told you IT folks years ago to unplug your keyboard and join the mobile gaming gold rush
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: because that is the most comforting thing i can think of, if he actually is telling the truth and believes all the crap he comes up with, then i pitty the human race
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: i'm just lucky that the market system pays off crazy for a man of my talent/passion
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Yes!  SAVE these virgin eyes from seeing 
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: he doesn't want them to see the truth, because if they did, they'd leave in a heartbeat
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: they love the idyllic life i create for them.  ignorance is bliss
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: you must be the happiest man on earth
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rapturous Sunsoar Tech: all it really says is that he doesn't trust his own indoctrination skills, becuase otherwise he wouldn't need to fear them seeing countering views.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: and that is enough for me, nice to add this alt to the ignore list
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: but what I really want to know is, why is he trolling this garbage on the tech channel?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: Hey tech wizards, how can I block my wife's phone from visiting the same sites I block on her PC?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: bah, another Onionite...
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: yea i'm just kidding, I'm obviously a man of free speech and liberty
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: how can I expand my ignore list past 10? this mud has a lot of trolls :p
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: you cant enless you find a gag script :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: do i troll?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: ^^^ yes
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: not enough :P
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: trolls are like gqbots.  They really only exist in other people's minds.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: even zade makes sense sometimes
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: being witty and carrying on a joke isn't trolling, it's just you being hyeprsensitive
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: it is spamming a channel about TECH.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: with drivvel
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: not sure if anyone else is really complaining
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WillowSong Tech: belongs on debate
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 50% of the spam on this channel isn't from the purported troll
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: channel nazi?
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: illusions of immdeur.
T3/r7/2014-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: Define monkeypatching.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanion Tech: anyone else get kicked off xboxlive recently ?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I spilled a pint of water on my old Dell by accident tonight.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It wouldn't boot up at all, totally dead
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: seriously? didn't your last laptop die to some wine or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Put on a fan for a few hours?  Yeah, it's up and running 100%, like it never even happened.  W. T. F.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: Never buy anything that rhymes with Hell!
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invest in some laptop condoms
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I didn't spill wine on the x230, I spilled tea on it, but yeah, it died.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: This dell is bloody bullet proof, it's taken liquid spills before, but never anything like that
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, wine, tea, some beverage
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: never even heard of a laptop taking that kind of hit and surviving, but god damn, my Dell Inspiron 2650 did.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: if nuclear war ever breaks out, I know what computer I'm taking with me.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: a babbage counting machine?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I think I really will rebuild the battery on it after this, worth the effort.  It's just eight 18650 cells in two parallel strings, figure I can replace the original cells with Panasonic NCR18650 3400mAh.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I can't believe it took a pint of water and survived, old tech is built to last :P
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm. I'm pretty sure that my x201 has spill passthroughs.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I am sure that Dell's lack of electronic components makes their products water-resistant :>
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: seconded.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Endtime Tech: wonder what became of the Dell Dude from the commercials
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: he got arresyted.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: who
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: are
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: sorry that was an attempt to list ppl on tech
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: MUSHclient question...
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: what kind of question? :)
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: Which auto-login method will work? I can't get it to. MXP?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: Diku Style
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanellus Tech: tyvm
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Assimilator Tech: test
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Assimilator Tech: you seeing this?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: maybe
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Much better to ask the question!
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: weird
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: in Mushclient, how do I write an alias that acts as a cut and paste?  For example, I want a certain color coded phrase to occur when I type a command like ^, so when i say something in a room that has ^ by itself, that phrase is stated, and when I tell someone something that has ^ by itself, the color coded phrase is told to them.  
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: what was the command to reset the BAST spellup miniwin pos again? 
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: how can I embed this into a conversation as an alias in Mushclient?   [(l<*:. Hide and Seek .:*>l)]
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: What do you mean "embed into a conversation" ?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: maybe he wants to prefix his chat
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: when speaking to someone, or saying something, or gametalk, i hit a command, like  '^' by itself as an alias, and it sends  [(l<*:. Hide and Seek .:*>l)] in the tell or whatever channel im talking on
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serinal Tech: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/25/codebabes-the-latest-thing-to-make-women-in-tech-cringe/
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Anyone know how a website requests a password not be saved?  Getting the message on iphone "the website has requested passwords not be saved" and I wrote the HTML/php code and can't figure out where that request is coming from.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: <input type="password">
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32369/disable-browser-save-password-functionality
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Hmm I wonder if autocomplete="on" will override that - I WANT it to be able to remember passwords.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Appears that'll work :)
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: aardmush client, when i change my image for the layout window it is centered. i would like the image to be in the top right corner of the layout window.. what do i need to change for that to happen?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Ask Fiendish.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: i know it's in the aard_layout.xml... changing    SetBackgroundImage("",0) to    SetBackgroundImage("",6) doesn't work.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know. I'm fixing it.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i'm getting a "Aardwolf MUSHclient Prackage Update Check Error:"  does that mean i have to update or is the update checker is in error?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: give me a minute to fix the server 
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you will have to update, but give me a few minutes before you do
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: oh, ok.. i thought it was mybad for doing something i didn't know on a program i'm not used too
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nope. My fault for not keeping up with a change on github
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: maybe github's fault for making a pointless change
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but my fault again for using github as a cdn
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you'll now need to manually update from https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/archive/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry about the inconvenience
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i updated today already, 3 times :p
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: did you?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: were you on an old old version?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i was running a really old version
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i notices the error as well
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: sorry also about the hoppy transition
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: was hoping it was something not set up on my side.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nope, sorry. my mistake.
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: im still on r1773, is there any critical changes since then
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define critical
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: heartbleed
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: aardwolf doesn't use SSL?
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/MUSHclient/MUSHclient/AardwolfPackageChanges.txt
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hythath Tech: it was pretty critical though
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for the list of changes
T3/r7/2014-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: is there a noticeable difference in speed with the mapper quicklist feature.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Distortion Tech: anyone knowna way to be able to copy/paste off of blowtorch?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Rauru: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone know if there's an up to date auto-respell file for tinyfugue?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: you seen abelinc's?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Just trigger the build in spellup command at regular intervals... 
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: how do i turn off the flags when i pick up stuff {invitem}1232944251,,a Candy Apple,10,14,0,-1,-1?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: either type invmon or start using a script which uses (and hides) those tags
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: I read the alias helpfile for mushclient, and unless I missed something I still have not solved my problem.  I'd like to set up an alias so when I put in the character '^' in the middle of the sentence, it plugs |[{($Treasure Hunt$)}]| into the sentence
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: is there a way to do that?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, but I would never recommend a single-character non-anchored alias replacement
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Maybe not so easily with the carat character, but you could make a variable that contains that text and color codes, and then reference that variable in the middle of the sentence.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: it doesn't have to be that...would probably use something like 'treas'
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: i think you want a variable not an alias
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd use alias, not variable
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: maybe a combination of the two
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I suspect the sentence itself isn't going to be the same every time, but maybe that's just me
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the sentence doesn't need to be the same
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: (th)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: but if just parroting the same sentence or a small number of them, would just make an alias for each one.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: right.....it's more like i embed the treasure hunt part into a countdown
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: why not a variable, make a thunt variable, then you can do "gt This is a $thunt", and the $thunt can go anywhere?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: but sometimes i put it into a conversation
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alias "*treas*", action "%1 |[{($Treasure Hunt$)}]| %2"...with including the @color codes
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually, make that "* treas *"...that way it'll have to be treas as a whole word on its own, less likely to get tripped up in other stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: thank you very much...give it a try
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd still uncheck the "enabled" checkbox when you're not doing the treasure hunt stuff (and leadup), just to be sure
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, so you're giving a talk on moving into a techical role...while working on reducing your technical role by moving into a speaking role ;-)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't use the ()s (easier than escaping them)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, and mis on the other one
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: - and test in gt until it works :-P
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in his presence.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: always
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: right.... duh
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: that's why I like a variable better, don't have to worry about all the regex characters and escaping them
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Or on echo?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling nods at Bast.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: variable doesn't really help, bast, and it's not regex
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: in cmud I would just make a @th variable, something short and easy to type
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: variable isn't called while typing something easy
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: how does a variable not help? he can put a variable in any thing he types in the input box and it still works
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's no more or less escaping
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: with a variable: you don't have to worry about escaping characters, you don't have to worry about enabling/disabling it since you have to be pretty specific to use a variable
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: except it misses the point of the exercise...
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is actual use
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I think the point of the exercise was to avoid having to type all that treasure hunt text, characters, and color codes, in which case a simple variable would work
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the point of the exercise was to put a specific string "
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: the point of the exercise was to put a specific string "|[{($Treasure Hunt$)}]|" in the middle of some input
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: at least, in cmud something e.g. @th would be automatically expanded to whatever the variable contains *shrug*
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and this isn't cmud...
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: no, but in mush I'd do the same thing, only using mush syntax.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: set a variable to that string and you can put $varname in any input that goes through execute
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the variable doesn't save anything
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't know, he'll have to rtfm to get the correct var syntax, same as I did with my own client
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: where does he say he needs to save anything?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can do that exact thing using alias, there's no change or benefit
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by "doesn't save anything", I'm saying that it doesn't save him any typing, configuring or anything else
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you specifically mentioned disabling it when not in use, you don't have to disable a variable since you have to be pretty specific to use a variable, sounds easier to me
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't know, I think typing $th or whatever is easier than typing all that other junk out
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all what other junk, starling? you'd be typing the exact same thing
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and the disable was just for my own cleanliness, there's no true reason to
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: the treasure hunt mess, the thing he was wanting to substitute something simpler for
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: and what if he wants to use it more than once in the input, an alias doesn't work that way, but you could do that with a variable
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, starling, that's not part of this
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both of the methods do the exact same "saving" of not typing that whole treasure hunt thing
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You're a troll.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I get the exercise and provided the answer :P
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so one of us has actually helped on tech in this thread...hint, it isn't you
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast is providing an alternate method, one which is as good, but absolutely is more involved in remembering how to use it
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: because remembering how to type in a variable like $th or @th in the middle of your event advert is hard
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you use it once a month and are not technical? yes.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it fits bast's style more, because he WILL remember how to use it...other people would need to ask again a month later...using an alias, you can glance at your list of aliases and know what to type
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: I give him the benefit of the doubt about being technical when he says he actually read the MUSHclient documentation
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I consider giving the benefit of the doubt on technical prowess to be something of an injustice rather than an admirable quality
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: not everyone is as dumb as you apparently believe they are
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it often gets people in trouble at work...disciplinary trouble
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's one of the main reasons that some people don't like geeks
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing about believing they're dumb, but I won't presume that they're going to know what I'm talking about, particularly when the actual answer was never given until I kept pushing
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually I'm wrong there, I missed an earlier statement
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Are we still beating this dead horse?  I thought it was buried by now.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sez the troll :P
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: everyone knows that :)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: When you download the new update .zip file, what files from the new zip file should i transfer over to my mush folder?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: read the upgrade instructions on the site
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: thanx
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: you're transfering the old into the new, not the other way around.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: is there an easy command to reload all plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixtlilton Tochtli Tech: quit and restart?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: how can i make my image for the aard_layout appear on the right side of the screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: of the screen?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You mean in the background of the main mush window?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: the main out window. i want my image to be on the top right corner instead of centered.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: change the code, I guess
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: output*
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: why would you want that?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: probably the line that goes WindowDrawImage (bgwin, "wolf_logo", (trwidth-image_width)/2, (trheight-image_height)/2, (trwidth+image_width)/2, (trheight+image_height)/2, miniwin.image_stretch)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but don't quote me on that
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: would help id i knew coding or chaning  SetBackgroundImage("",0) to    SetBackgroundImage("",6) should make it appear on the top right but it is still centered.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you're changing the wrong thing, obviously
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that does the grey stone texture
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the thing I posted is for the logo image
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: probably would take out the image_strech part, for starters.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: how do you unblock a spell in bast spellup?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I write a note to bast and ask him to write me a new plugin that has my spell unblocked
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: lol!
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: isn't there a helpfile for his spellups?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: try bsp senable spellname
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: okay, i got my image moved now.. thanks fiendish.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Every time i type "rem rfinger" it says that i'm not wearing anything there when I do have a Aard Regen ring there, any ideas what the prob may be?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: try rem regen rfin
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: rem rfinger works fine for me
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa nods at The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Same, You are not wearing that item.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: alias blocking it, corran?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Possibly, i just updated mush, and i'm experiencing a few bugs
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: come to recall
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: try remove rfinger?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: instead of shortening it?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: that worked.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: make sure you don't have rem aliased
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: k
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Hrmm...i'm not finding any alias with rem.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: type 'alias rem' to check mudside
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Nothing mudside
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: could also be a plugin that has it.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: That could be it....hrmmm
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: rem rfin and rem rfing doesn't work me, but rem rfinger does.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: or that
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: remove rfinger works
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: rem eyes works
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: but not rem rfinger?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: they all work exect rem lfinger and rem rfinger
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: it says You are not wearing that item.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Damnedest thing i've seen
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: stop putting a space on the end
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: I dont think i'm putting one
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: perhaps detects are required
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Like true seeing?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: r rfinger and lfinger works
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Corran Tech: Only rem lfinger and rfinger dont.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so find your interfering script
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: Hello
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: its a traap!!
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: Can someone help me/
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: not without knowing your question
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: haha true. Im on telnet and i cant see what im typing. is there any way to turn that onn?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what OS's telnet are you using?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: windows 7 
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overtaken Anaristos Tech: if you are on a comp, can you do downloads?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: Yes WHat do i need to downlaod
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overtaken Anaristos Tech: well, there is an aardmush client, a custmozied client for Aardwolf, you can download for free and use. It is very sophisticated.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: you don't need to download, it's just an option he's providing to make your mudding a bit easier.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OK, so first you've got to "escape" out of seeing Aard...that's done using cytl-]...that takes you to a telnet> prompt...from there type "set localecho", then hit enter twice to return to here...but you really should download the aard MUSHclient package
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it will be amazingly better
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: ok thank you Ill do both lol 
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overtaken Anaristos Tech: the difference between walking and using a jet plane :)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: just for future reference
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you go to the aardwolf website, click on the screenshot, then click download client
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: ok thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the one from the aardwolf website will probably do multiple update hops
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: ok what will that do? jsut take a while?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: get this https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/archive/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: thatst the telnet client right?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod fiendish...you should prolly ask one of the IMMs to swap out their link
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a MUD client
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: soon
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: super more powerful than telnet
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: lol ok and i ust downloaded
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: you will like the aardclient/mushclient alot better then talnet
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: i have kinda weird question :x
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: righteous
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: i tried the aard client and didn't really like it  :x
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: but now i get {chan ch=market} in front of all my channels
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Turn tags off
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what do you use instead?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what program do you use other than the aard client
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: just mush w/o it
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: lol..
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: still better to leave tags master on, and figure out which tags to use in that client
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: it looks too different than what i'm used to  :P
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: You know you don't have to use ALL the features of it, yeah? You can turn off the group monitor, the stats display, etc.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: Or move them around.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: i don't usually use captures anyway, but i figured it had to do w/ that, yeah
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fjdash Tech: Ok thanks got it to work :)
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has a lot of features even outside captures which are quite enhanced
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: I would have sex with the mapper if I could figure out the syntax.
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fatal FrostBite Tech: Already did... and I've had better =P
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: mapper goto 69?
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: mapper find bed first
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Indignation Tech: ty guys
T3/r7/2014-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: mapper find bedroom has too many results. mapper find park, on the other hand...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: why is my s&d suddenly not 'hunt-trickin' anymore? it tries once then stops regardless of the result
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: changes in the hunt messages, practice it up as far as you can
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: doesn't the new bast hunt fix the problem?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: dont have hunt yet
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: yes, but he is using S&D, which isn't fixed
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: and never will be
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: isn't it just a plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that nobody cares to fork
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: will try to update your package anyway bast, any restrictions in mush version or anything else? 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it requires the latest version of the Aardwolf MUSHclient
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: bast, how do I add clanspells to spellup (not listed in spells list in the miniwin)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: toggle it as a clanspell with "bsp toggleclan <sn>" then do "bsp sadd <sn>"
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: awesome, thanks! 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rapturous Sunsoar Tech: probably simple Q, but anyway, had "keep commands on prompt line" selected... and it suddenly stopped happening, so went in to "game, configure, commands" and it had deselected... cool, dunno why, reselect... NOPE! doesn't do anything... what could possibly cause this/solution?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: the option you want is "auto-repeat command"
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there anyway to jump commands to the top of the command que? like chat commands? mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: command queue?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why would you have a command queue?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i tend to stack rooms, thats why
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: stacking rooms is a bad policy, and can be illegal
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: and im not a buff t9 who clears rooms in 10 secs
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: its not illegal to clear one room at a time as far as im aware
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not relenvent
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Stacking in a room is okay, stacking rooms isn't
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's just not a clever way of doing things either
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: more so if you're not a 'buff t9'
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i dont stack move with attacks, and i dont care if im clever or slow
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Stacking fewer commands will generally get your chat commands handled sooner
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: its the lazy way imo
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bamboo peers intently at Starling.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice at (>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lazy, thats me
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not lazy, it's practical
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Typing very single command is tedious
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: to stack a bunch of rooms is lazy and ilegal I mean
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I have my latest skill aliased as ']'
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: already said i dont stack more then one room at a time,
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You should re-read 'help command stacking' since you are evidently confused
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: blah
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto sighs.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: if you're really desperate to get a command to the top of the queue, disconnect and reconnect will clear your command stack
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i give up, turning tech off again
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rapturous Sunsoar Tech: what is he confused about with stacking? If I go int a room and there's, say, 3 mobs, and I expect it'll take 8 scorched and 3 heals to kill each... I can stack all those... that's what the helpfile says, right?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rapturous Sunsoar Tech: but, yeah, no way to respond to chat while doing that.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you want to be able to do that, code your support such that it isn't stacking
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: In MUSHclient, everytime I end a commend, an additional line is automatically entered, as if I hit enter a second time.  Is there a way to disable this?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: everytime I enter a command
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: problem fixed
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what was the reason?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: i had entered through the mud in a new mushclient window, basically resetting everything like it does.  I had been sleeping, so the files had not been loaded yet.  Once I stood up, all the files loaded and the automatic scroll stopped
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trepid Tech: so really, nothing was wrong at all
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: I'm looking at Spideroak planning on dumping Dropbox. Is Spideroak worth it for Aardmush sharing?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: Spidergoat wasn't much good, maybe Spideroak will be better
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: hm. I'm running aard on a Spideroak cloud
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: but it's been one computer so far...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i tried putting some apps on a cloud
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it rained and they fell to the ground
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OmegaOne Tech: can I automate tasks with zmud? 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but read 'help botting' before you do
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OmegaOne Tech: is there a better client then zmud? 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define better
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OmegaOne Tech: less buggy? 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define less
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes...zmud is missing lots of features that more modern clients have...most notably the ability to use GMCP
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}OmegaOne Tech: well I remember, the mapping feature never worked in zmud
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: when I used zmud like 10 years ago the mapping feature worked for me
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: GMCP allows mappers to be consistent, which zmud can't always be
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd recommend downloading this: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/archive/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since it's a zip, you just have to extract it, don't need to run an installer...don't like it, delete the extracted and zipped folders :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "clients"...you'll see that 223 people out of 364 are using that one, so there's plenty of help available (26 people connected from zmud right now)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Urashima Keitaro Tech: whats the difference between 'unidentified' and 'unknown' in the client list?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one doesn't give a termtype, the other is not one of the predefined sets
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: clients self report their type to the server. Unidentified means they didn't do that. Unknown means Aardwolf doesn't recognize what they sent.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and even telnet from a cmd shell identifies itself, so it's really weird ones (or modified ones) which don't
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: What about dumb?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Always wondered about that one since we are on the subject :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the zmud mapper isn't inconsistent
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: buggy as hell, but not inconsistent
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it is when it doesn't have enough information to be consistent
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then give it information
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's impossible
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: buggy feels like a different way of syaing inconsistent to me, but ok
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: worked fine for me since i started using it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: multiple rooms with the same room name, same description, same exits, the information simply does not exist
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I once thought I could come up with a scheme for correctly automatically mapping nonunique rooms without gmcp, but I think I was wrong.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it can know the path between them, but it cannot know which one you're in without knowing how you got there
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so if you thought that it worked fine for you, you were deluded
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it did work fine for me
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you just ignored the inconsistencies
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the aardguff client just means that nobody ever needs to know anything ever again
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i don't see this as a bad thing
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: they know what they want to
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: depends whether you wanted a game that required knowledge, of if you wanted a facebook game in text that needed a client
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i don't think someone's ability to script better than me should mean they are better than me
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: this isn't the euler project
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as for dumb, that's simply one of the possible things that a client can report, that it's a dumb terminal which doesn't even support vt100 extensions
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it used to be your ability to learn where things are, and use a variety of skills to gain an edge being a bonus
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: thankfully that has ended
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so you think it's best that the only thing that gets you an edges is being unemployed, running a bot, or donating $$$?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Yes, and now we can send information damn near instantaneously halfway round the world by tapping once on a screen.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, heaven forbid a GQ designed to test MUD knowledge actually would require some amount of MUD knowledge...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it needs none, abe
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (now)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i disagree, bots are still beaten at GQs regularly without bots,  its hard, but totally doable
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you think that's progress, then you might have described why the world is going to hell in a handbasket
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: look, i get it, having memorized where mobs/rooms are at used to be a huge advantage, and now someone who has ever stepped foot in a room can use the mapper to find it... oh darn
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: gqs were being botted when I first started playing here
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: there was always a handful of people that had essentially the same information/scripts that the aardwolf mapper provides.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: give me a breka
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: You think Slay did it all by hand?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: gqs, that is
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, madcatz, and they had to write and maintain that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: in time, clans or groups of people wrote and maintained that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I think the point is that now it's available to everyone else 'officially', so the barriers to competing in a GQ have been lowered.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: and they had an advantage because of it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: But by that logic, how succuessful you are at GQs should be determined by how well you can script.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i'm not interested in playing a game where those who happen to be better at writing scripts are provided an advantage that i'll never overcome
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there were a whole lot less "cheaters" then than now
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Which is the exact opposite of what everyone is trying to say
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it is what it is, that is the nature of time changing things - but to say that it's of benefit to the game it just bollocks
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've never had to be able to write scripts
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I agree, Abe.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i have neither the time nor the inclination to figure out how to script just so i cna play
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i get no joy in that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: besides, the higher barrier to being decent here, the less likely new players will stick around imo
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there has never been a barrier to being decent here
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i don't think there really is such a thing anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: gonna play around with the idea that "decent" is a moving thing?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: decent is subjective, i suppose...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the concept of being good went out of the window when the mechanics went all communist
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Scars: I find that a theory without any evidence. No new player even knows what a gq is, they aren't going to be pking, mostly questing, cping, and leveling, which can be done quite easily.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: new player, to me, is anyone who has played less than 6 months
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Not many new players come in and say 'I want to be good at GQs and win wars'...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: It's quite a lot to learn if you're just coming in.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Experience still helps win gqs, mob order is very important and you get that with experience, not a mob database or a mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: ffs, i get it, i presented subjective measures and treated them objectively, god i hate discussing crap here sometimes
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you put forward your opinion and justified them, doesn't mean you're right and that we all agree
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: by virtue of the fact it's your opinion, we shouldn't feel compelled to, and you should be upset that we don't
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: my claim is that the mud is better off for the things at our disposal in the mudclient, and i present my growing pains here personally as evidence in that i wish i had what the aardclient provided me (literally upon install) when i had first started playing
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: At least it hasn't fallen to the point where we are personally attacking each other :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I have rather strong feelings against making things easier/shorter "to keep the new people"...as I described in my ideas post responding to Marvel...it is not in the true best interests of the game
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: they are judgemental scars. thats why i donf bother even putting something on furoms anymore
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it doesn't keep the new people significantly, and it gets rid of old people
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you can go zero-to-done in 6 months, why stay longer?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: zero people have said that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the answer to that used to be raiding
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: too much raiding and prices go down
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the client doesn't overtly make leveling easier or make pking more intuitive, there are things that will always be as-they-are in the game
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: (or more like -> not coordinated selling)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i thought this was a discussion about the merits of giving a better, more sophisticated client to newbies instead of having them connect should something like zmud or whatever that comes essentially blank
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the client is a symptom of a bigger trend that goes well beyond the boundaries of this mud
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, we get it, the world sucks more now than it did yesterday
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just generally games have become easier, more accessible, more often than not without any measure of start or end, and more often than not, with little or no difficulty
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i present tablet games such as "tapped out", and facebook games like farmville as evidence
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Aardwolf used to have an end, now there are redos..
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, i think i'm done here, i see this going no where
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: hey hey maybe djdoodles is after 100 redos
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: In any case you can play however you want, I just tiered after ten years of t0 on this char, and Daeric still hasn't levelled..
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: too many Enchanters of low level equipment, and the price of low level skins goes down (from the competition) -- more Enchanters! ftw
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: what if then all the nopkclans would merge! :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the problem is all these analogue enchanters
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: man. remember when you had to spellup manually?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yup
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the answer is no
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I actually can't
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Non sequiturs rock.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i can, i wrote an alias to do it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: remember when they were no runtos?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I invented runto. But I blame danj for giving me the idea.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: think many already had zmud maps by then, for those that didn't, you had aliases
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: runto was a brilliant idea imo
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: remember when there wasnt hunt-find-click-f1-to-auto-finish-cp-and-gq
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I still have my pre-legal-autospellups spellup script loaded :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: actually, I guess danj invented runto. I just did automatic updating.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: makes it too easy for nowadays just to bot
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: runprefix is excelent
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: botting has always been easy to do
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you must not bot. botting is illegal. By the way, here's a client that gives you every possible tool you could possibly ever need in order to create a bot
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: catching gets harder with the more you boot tho
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: yeah but hey come on, should have more imms or more possibilities to stalk ppl
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: runto probably wouldn't have come in had the world geography not changed (continents/contsw)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: hilarious for example how CCCP bot smarty could bot years till nuke
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: You must not kill. Killing is illegal. What do you mean you need gun licenses?!
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: define every possible tool, because I have all the tools I'd need to bot through telnet and a camera
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i still think the bitching is largely that the populace of players that spent years making tools in cmud/zmud/whatever become standard issue in aardclient just whining because all that work is somehow "cheapened" and all that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is it an analogue camera, Fiendish?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, but you're exceptional, Fiend
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Mendaloth crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to <pretitle> Scars.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: well it's for us old players to just remember and go "i remember the time when..."
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: but the somehow suggest that the mud is worse off for it, gtfo imo
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: before runto everyone just had a giant library of speedwalk aliases they copied from some clan site
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice at None the Wyza, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at None the Wyza.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD isn't worse off for the aard MUSHclient package, but I do believe that it is worse off for some of the things which followed
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Or some link to a clan site.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the arguments were made quite succinctly, if you choose to focus on one small part of it it just cheapens your pov
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: abe, pls elaborate!
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: gonna guess this is about winklewinkle making cp's pretty click-and-done friendly
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Abelinc: like s&d? I love the fact the the hunt message change broke it and you have people all over the place asking why is my s&d broken?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I have
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if it were possible for the server to validate functionality of the client, or to turn off certain things at certain times, i'd support it 100%
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, worse, they ask why the mapper is broken
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: good point
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: well at least it's not usable for gqs...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: Bast, perhaps people shouldn't be using scripts/plugins where they don't implicitly understand how they work
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it used to be a lot worse
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: How come my mapper xrt isn't working?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes it is
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: winklewinkle used to kick out of db:nrows early leaving the database locked
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: people were using scripts they didn't understand from the moment people in clans put their scripts on clan pages
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: so then it would really break the mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, someone was posting about that recently, fiendish
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i used to use ninja's reporting script in zmud... had no effing idea how that worked
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but they knew that they were using those scripts, scars
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: sure, its not clear to me if that's in addition to what i said or if you're trying to make a point
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I encourage people to use scripts that they don't know how they work...it goes to show that you aren't hobbled by not knowing how to script (one of your earlier claims)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: aard just needs to move away from bottable stuff
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it can be scripted it most likely will
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what, redryn, move away from being a mud?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Was going to say...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: every way to attempt that has a counter...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: never going to happen redryn
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sure it can
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: Can gag command used in blowtorch or is it for pc clients ?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in theory you can bot every thing if you write a complex enough script
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: if you can bot something like WoW which is infinitely more complex in terms of movement and what not, you will always be able to bot something where you can parse the text
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, tell that to counterstrike and WoW
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but you can make that really hard
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the problem is that the things which make aard bottable are at their core good things
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: counterstrike and wow have bots because they have a huge community
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you had bots like that here
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: do you have an example of "really hard", Redryn?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: they would be reported and caught reallll fast
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tell me when you find someone botting terra runs
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: ah, so the argument is that the GM to player ratio supports cheating better in wow?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: Terra xp runs?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in grad school my roommate eric botted GuildWars by capturing the screen at regular intervals and doing pattern recognition
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: epic
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if the whole mud became like terra, i'll just go do something else with my time
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: no.... WoW was botted because people would pay for a bot.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: does anyone ever level in epic areas, period?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: the simplicity of aardwolf is why i stay, plus you jerks to talk to
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes hans
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Doku: if it wasn't inherently bottable, no amount of money would have worked.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, they pup there, not technically level
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: they go to epic areas with the intent of pupping?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: then it's bottable.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: tell me when you find someone botting it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Scars: yes, levels one and two are very good for solo pupping.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the epic run itself isn't intent pupping, the area has non-run stuff to pup
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: incorrect.  I know the people working at HBGary that created it.  They paid those guys over 200k per year, and they are some of the best hackers in the world.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I'm saying there has to be something that can be automated first, Doku.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doku: did they create it? Then it's bottable.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doku Tech: "it" being WoW Glider
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise they would've failed and wouldn't have had a product
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you move towards group oriented activities, and you maintain a strong anti botting community mentality, it's ridiculously easy for a group mate to be able to notice someone who's botting
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Also, we're on our way to botting singing and painting...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you move toward group activities, I won't be here
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: if my only ability to play the game is in groups, i'm out
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that may or may not be a good thing
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: But to have at least one other partner online to actually even gain a level...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so I guess there's a silver lining to strive for
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i wouldn't say it's exclusive
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you don't want to go down that route, it leads to mud death
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I dunno.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would have to be exclusive
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i doubt it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise, we'd simply not do it, so you've done nothing for bottability
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: one of the (many) reasons why SH sittings feels like a waste to me is that so much of it is group oriented, and i just generally can't arrange my schedule for that crap
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: wake up and look at all the games people play today
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the vast majority wish to play with friends
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Scars: you can sit at SH for ages without grouping...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I do wish ot play with friends...I don't wish to group
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: group-centric gameplay actually killed off an MMO before it was ever launched.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: Redryn: Did you miss the times I've repeatedly said modern games are for the most part, crap
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: sure, if all i wanted to do was pup
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I did it because I couldn't rearrange my schedule for these CPs and levels -_-
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn gives Tigernuts a nod, saying, "OK".
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: grouping is *NOT* a social activity
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: thanks obama
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: regardless of what you guys think
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars laughs out loud at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the majority of players think otherwise
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no they don't
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so if we do move to group activities, maybe players like you will quit
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the majority of players of THOSE games disagree, shock horror
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Pupping was an easy holding pattern, and learning SH areas through the odd cp was entertaining.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: well, since you speak for the majority of players, perhaps history will show you to be right
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the majority of players socialize using the social tools, and group to grind
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: until then, and as long as i have a voice to talk about where the direction of my favorite game goes, i'll speak out against that crap
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Always be wary when someone claims to speak for 'the majority'...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gtell hay, go to areax...ftalk so, how's the wife & kids?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: how many areas do we have?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: clan help i've been attacked in area_x_room_z
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: smartystyle. :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: so much content, so little challenge :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, my bot gives that on grouptalk
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: around 260ish, after discounting obvious stuff like manors, clans, and special-event areas.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well abe is a leader, he can start a poll and see who prefers to solo vs group activities :p
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so that (in the rare event that I am grouped), the groupie will know to fight or flee
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: wanna take bets on which is more popular?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both are popular...being forced to one over the other is never popular
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: poll: Would you like to be forced to group in order to advance on Aard?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: guess how popular that option will be
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's a far-too-loaded question for the poll.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: grouping just is more profitable :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd imagine it'll go down like a lead balloon
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I want you to want to be forced to group
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not too loaded, that's what redryn suggested
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i never said forced
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes you did
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: don't put words into my mouth
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Oh yay here we go
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: look out, the referendum police re out
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless you're talking about wholly-impossible things, yes you did
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok typical abe style arguments... good luck
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you cannot implement this as a way to stop bots, if the bots can simply opt out of it
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Overtaken Anaristos Tech: ok, if you are going to fight, debate channel has a nicely cushioned mat :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you clearly can't ask that question, abelinc, because it phrases the question in such a way that it doesn't push the outcome that redryn wanted
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if solo were kept exactly the same but groups were given more/better bonuses, players would instantly jump to grouping provided those bonuses were sufficiently large enough.  We do EXACTLY the same thing with plain leveling.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you said if the whole MUD was terra-style, bots wouldn't stand a chance (which is even wrong, terra is bottable)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hasn't been botted and isn't bottable are two entirely different things
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there isn't really anything about it that would make it unbottable
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hasn't been botted because of a combination of risk, reward, and extent of knowledge of the run itself
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: technically, everything is bottable, since there are only a finite number of states.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: not neccessarily feasible, though
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the risk/reward for a simple pupbot outdoes terra runs by so many orders of magnitude
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I was in a group all the time as imm.  So we could all talk and pretend that Lasher couldn't hear us.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Heh.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, lasher's the only one on my ignore list, much for the same reason :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: looks like lots of people here have bot knowledge, now put 'em all into suspicious gategory :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: knowledge does not equate to proof, and Lasher doesn't do anything without proof.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i think talk of Terra is beside the point
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: we need players to monitor players too
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: feel free to monitor me :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: every time suspections lead to correct nuke, 50m reward :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: DDR style. "turn out your neighbors!"
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: and when they turn out to be incorrect, you are nuked instead. There must always be blood.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that would probably work, but we'd need to counterbalance that.  Wrong accusations would get the accuser nuked and the accused would get the 50M.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dance dance revolution style?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: anyway here's a good indicator: anyone pupping 100k per year = insta-auto-nuke
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't even see pupping as relevent these days
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: --> either a bot or get idle/afk-dragged. 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: well gotta get those 23791387291732901 pups to get 237189739281 instincts! :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: daily blessing will shave a significant portion off that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: no. gotta get those 1234012341234 pups to get 2131 instincts
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: and you skin to farm the gold dexter?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i kind of liked the instinct cap idea...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a cap kinda defeats the point of having an eternal sink
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the problem is that it goes against why instinct came in at all
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, i know
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i would much rather having instincts degenerate over time
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: without or with cap?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: without
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: and i'm not a huge fan of punishing inactivity like that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's a thought...we don't do the gear rotting like a lot of MUDs do
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: So you'd have to keep putting in trains and gold to maintain instinct...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well if you're inactive you will drop to 0
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but if you start playing again, after a month you'll be on par with everyone again
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: could have it be an online-rot rather than a calendar-rot
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: death by aging
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: why would a month solve it?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then actives would keep theirs up and inactives wouldn't be punished when/if they return
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mechanics could be tweaked, but it allows new SHs to quickly catch up to existing active ones
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: now if you go inactive, you come back and omg they're 100k pups ahead
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: seems the same as capping
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I wouldn't want gear rotting, but perhaps we could have "pretend rotting".  Sort of like a death's bite that temporarily dropped your stats and stuff.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and you gotta do 100k pups to catch up first.. by which time they do another 50 etc
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not the same as capping, because you must still keep trying in the game
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a cap means after you get 100k pups you can go inactive forever
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the problem with capping is that you get "done" and sit on laurels
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so at that point, why are you still here
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: pupping to maintain seems like a really depressing incentive for an already boring task
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (which many T9s had reached before the new stuff)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Scars has a point though.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: yea
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the problem to me then isn't that there should be a cap, it's to fix the boredom :p
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: well you know one can always have ultimate goal to raid light or so :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: If people wanted to exercise to maintain fitness, they'd be out in the real world :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dexter Tech: just it'd need 20 ppl with million pups :(
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a game shouldn't be boring
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: pupping is boring
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not at its core different incentive than we have now, though
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: to me
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: not everyone finds pupping boring
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if your solution to boring is 'ok lets make the period of boring shorter', that's just a bandaid imo
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a lot do
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: everyone i speak to does :p
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now, they're pupping to "maintain" their relative position to others
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: but reletive to mobs or whatever, they're getting stronger
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: something to show for it, if you will
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, there's really not much more to mobs
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: when mobs were never really a challenge, that's not a huge incentive
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: pup speed?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea... do the boring stuff faster :p
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can't really get much faster
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: You know what Aard needs? Fishing.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: ----> Nalondir
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <pretitle> Scars nods at [Deputy] Trurien.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, was just trying to remember the area
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sennarre has something too i think
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: you mean aard needs something like profession skills?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, sennarre is the one I was thinking of, where you buy the rod
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Hm Red.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: enchanting, skinning, etc?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: yea
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: afkable fishing
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: real crafting skills
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: aard needs temporary opk gangs of marauders/mercenarys.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: So more botting, Tylertwo?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well instances are being worked on, so we'll see how that goes
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: meh
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: yeah, if aard goes full on opk or whatever i'm leaving
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: aard will never be full opk
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard as a whole never will
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard will offer that as an optio
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: most likely will be opt in opk
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: +n
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Optional PK is "OPK" too :P
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn smirks at [Deputy] Trurien's saying.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: oliphaunt PK?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the pk mechanic really isn't that fun though
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: either you stomp or newbs or a buff guy will always be able to escape
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: everything can be effectively botted in such a way that most players won't consider them to be bots.  It's the same principles that allow players to claim PlayerX does not have sufficient game knowledge because WHOIS says they're only a few hours old and only has a few kills.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: orrr you gank with 5+
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i tend to measure quality of player by qps earned
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: imo warfare system can just be tweaked for pvp action
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i used to use level, but leveling got to be too easy
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i guess daeric is really high quality
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: better system than claiming some of our existing t9's are quality
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's very knowledgeable in a tiny subset of aardstuff, anyway
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: having problems with basst plugin anyone lend a hand?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Which one?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what kind of problems, which plugin
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: all of em
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you quit and restarted MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: right now I can't see anything in the main mud window
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: yea
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: brb
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: gonna relog
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try "plugins reload broadcast all" and "plugins reload eqdb"
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: ok I had to reinstall mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: ok can you walk me through this so I can do it correctly this time
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: anyone?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: https://github.com/endavis/bastmush/archive/release.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: is the latest right?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's the latest folder for bast's plugins
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: kk gonna close out and load the stuff back in a min
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: ok they are in my folder
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: now what?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: which plugins do I load
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the ones you want to use
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: I tried to load the disarm and got a huge list of errors
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: Could not load update_checker(a7a2f5a3b1373cd99d6bfb47) because of loading problems
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: are you using the aardwolf mushclient package, or a 'nilla mushclient install?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: aard
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: [string "Plugin"]:14: module 'ssl.https' not found:
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: I had that problem.. get the latest version of the aardwolf package from github :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in your MUSHclient folder, you should have a "worlds" folder, inside that should be a plugins folder...inside that plugins folder, you should've put the folder called "Bast"
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: I did
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the current aard MUSHclient package is at https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/archive/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: ok 
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: ok how do I use the spellup?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(>ShaZaM<) ForLiFe Tech: type spellup :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Milthian Tech: no I mean basst spellup
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type bsp help...you should really check out the wiki section of Bast's old site: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: see previous :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Hmmm can I nest DoAfterSpecial inside a DoAfterSpecial in Mush...guess one way to find out...
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FallenRahl Tech: nods
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FallenRahl Tech: someone on here recomended blowtorch, i love it just wondering if there was a way to make a kill "" button
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I found an ad for an old personal computer......$6k for 10 megabytes of harddrive space in 1983.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: lol
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: 6k...1983, that's like what, 15k now?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: i remember reading an add for 486sx with 500mb hdd.. i was literally drooling
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Nah...I would say 9k maybe.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: my first pc was a 66mhz... oh the days when you had to run memmaker to give you the extra memory to run games that ran outside of that first 1mb
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: i had a yellow monochrome monitor.. 286. commander keen. much fun
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: commodore pet.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: vr..i wander if you can use mirrors and lenses so that the screens could be hm.. on top of your head and so doesn't have to have so ridicilously high dpi? sorry enlgy..
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: pretty sure occulus already solved that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: im not so sure. with bigger source the fov could be easily 180 degrees. its not possible with current setup
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: i don't think we quite have the tech to do the high fov without making you feel sick yet
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: probably a few years away from that
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: we really need to be able to beam the images directly to your optic nerves and do away with screens all together :)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: i think there was such a solution..
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: is it possible to create aliases where you input a string for the target name, something like "alias mm cast magic missile at $*$"?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: use mm (.*)
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: then in the output do cast $1
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: er
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}None the Wyza Tech: %1
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAsDi99fxBc .. the second one
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: cool, cheers
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: avagant glyph
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vienna Tech: anyone here using miniwin_eq plugin?
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Reel Imm Anaristos Tech: get the balls, do the goal. Either way.
T3/r7/2014-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Reel Imm Anaristos Tech: mis
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: hello
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: am i on the tech channel?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: yes you were
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: hi there
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: i understand that my reason for disconnecting when travelling to certain areas is because i don't have mccp turned on. I am running the "mushclient", any idea how to switch it on?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: if you didn't make changes, then it's on by default
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: type mccp to check if its on
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: it is definitely off
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: go to game-configure-output, look for a tickbox in 'disable compression'
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: and then restart i assume?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: thank you for the help
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: thanks, working now
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Reel Imm Anaristos Tech: in Game|Configure|Output uncheck the box that says Disable Compression
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sethius Tech: yes, i found that box once you pointed it out, thanks again, all good!
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: i was the one who pointed it out. Anaristos is just late to the game.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa smirks.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Reel Imm Anaristos Tech: true enough
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: bast, I got a 'bug' for you... or atleast an annoyance... 
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: spellup plugin, if I am fully spelled up, go to sleep, go afk, am gone long enough to be idle disconnected, reconnect, remove afk, wake, the spellup will not automatically begin. 
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kippe Tech: dont idle out
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: would indeed be one way solve the issue :) 
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: How do I send a command to world in lua script?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: Send ("command")
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Execute("command")
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Execute is better, especially if you're calling an alias.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: you can also use Execute ("command") to send one of your client-side aliases
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I want to do server side commands
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Execute does clien side
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Execute does both.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Execute sends the command as if you've typed it on the command line.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: turns out nothing was being caught by the client. the mud just didn't like him for a moment or two.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MrBigCow Tech: so all i need to do is save it somewhere else?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Loree uses the Aard MUSHclient Package from a USB Key :)
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MrBigCow steals Loree's USB
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandoned Starphoenix Tech: i think my billion mob death predictor is broken :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: giggle
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandoned Starphoenix Tech: Double Time? 999945647 Mobs - 170 Mobs/min - 11Years,  136Months,  4084 Days, 17 Hours, 53 Minutes.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandoned Starphoenix Tech: i can't seem to get it to read the stuff on gamestat 5 right :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: oooh how cute aard will be 28 then
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abandoned Starphoenix Tech: i thought i understood this script enough to alter it. apparently i don't :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: are there any mapper clients available for mac
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Mushclient.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: mushclient has a mac version?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Mushclient can run on wine.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: ah.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: can you not run it with WINE on mac?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I, uhh, just said it could.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: slow typing :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bamboo beams a smile at Spelter.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: okay, well
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: that wasn't so hard. i got it running using WineSkin.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: oh no, rooms.gaardian.com and campaign.gaardian.com are failing
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: trying to decide whether to get a new puter, my old one does aard and word, but isn't supported anymore since i'm using xp, any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: anyone else having issues with gaardian's site? specifically Onyx Bazaar map?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: http://maps.gaardian.com/index.php?areaid=261
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: i think support isn't really needed
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: mysql errors
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: yes, they're having mysql issues
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Awkens Tech: Let me double check.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: k
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Awkens Tech: Yep... what everyone said above. :P Time to poke Gaardian so they get their hamsters running again.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Their coffee machine must have broken, when that happens they all pass out and everything stops working.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: t
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: u
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: v?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: sorry, what i meant to say was
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: are there mac users who would find a wineskin package of aardwolf mushclient beneficial?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dark Lord Rovin Tech: Never had problems directly running the exe under wine
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dark Lord Rovin Tech: Never had problems directly running the exe under wine
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dark Lord Rovin Tech: mis2 :p
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: using wine too
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: Yeah, I guess it's just not documented. There is only one crash bug I've found, by clicking the wrong window upon the loading screen.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Viridi Tech: ah well, probably not worth it. Time to script Mushclient, I guess.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: now win xp support has ended, microsoft are publicising some of the zero-day exploits they've been sitting on for a long time in order to scare people into upgrading
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: they can do as they like. I wont upgrade my XP laptop
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: really? Dumb idea.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: it doesnt matter, does it?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: lol, that was to tiger btw, not you ayas!
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: for those not familiar with debate channel, take Tigernuts' comments with a pinch of salt
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: then microsoft need to restart the xp support until the heat death of te universe
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: i mean....whether ms releases that now or whenever, there is still a zero day they arent going to fix
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: you dont have to be scared.....stay on it. Suck to have a known vuln that isnt going to be patched....i guess you'll find out or fix some other way.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: Makes me chuckle when people get outraged about MS ending support for XP
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: cos the people who haven't bought an OS from them for over a decade are the customers they REALLY value
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I haven't really heard of anyone being "outraged" by this
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: everyone seems to have accepted that MS provided support for a reasonable length of time
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: some businesses are...because they have apps that wont run on anything else
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: they can still use those apps
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: same thing with windows server 2003, which ends apr 2015
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: I'm guessing you're one of those people who reads the articles but not the comment threads Vost
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: I've seen no end of righteous indignation
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: well, perhaps I didn't pay the matter much attention
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I think that MS provided a reasonable length of support
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ayasinda agrees!
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: they provided an insanely generous length of support
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Losarius Tech: some people still value win xp. not to mention that there are devices that habe embedded that cant be upgraded...you have to buy a new one..like with a pos system.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: for what it's worth, I still have XP on an old desktop that I occasionally use
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: it's not as if the purchasers of XP didn't know that it would become obsolete evetually
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: It was interesting to see how they got themselves lumbered with an OS they couldn't persuade people to upgrade from - it is possible to make an OS that's too good
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: possibly. i still use xp but i don't use ie
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and yes, it's probably that xp was too good. all the other sucked compared to it
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: looking at -h, you don't need to buy a new POS system, the existing XP embedded ones won't suddenly stop working...they'll still do everything today that they did for the past 12 years...
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: POS systems aren't as great a risk as end-user systems as far as "z0mg, all the hackers are gonna suddenly use all the exploits that they've been sitting on for a decade just waiting for suppose to end"
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: can I change what an alias sends using a seperate trigger?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the POS system can be separately locked down, it doesn't need to be free to access anything except the mother ship
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you wouldn't use a trigger, just change the alias
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: true, I would think most embedded systems aren't internet connected in any case, it's the geriatric PCs that are the problem
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i dont want to do it manually
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: What Abe said, but you can change what the alias sends by having the alias send the contents of a variable (for example), and use the trigger to change the contents of that variable.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: use an if statement in a script inside the alias?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a trigger is still manual...
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: true, This should be a vintage year for botnets
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and use variables, if you want a trigger to impact something about it
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: best to say what you're actually trying to do rather than asking about a particular method
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: changing a variable will work i think, thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: What im trying to do is automate my alias for using worn portals when I reach a level that I can wear it. E.g. when I cant wear it then get it out of a bag, if i can then only enter.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you should be putting these portals into the mapper, and setting their level in the mapper
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Can the mapper adjust for tier level though?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: they are in mapper, the alias to get it out of a bag tho is in the client
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that alias should never be called, if the mapper knows that you cannot use the portal
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: actually if you adjust for the level yourself you'll end up trying to use a portal before you can
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: im specifically speaking about three portals, Amulet/gladiator/kai
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you shouldn't be typing the alias to use the portal...you should be typing a mapper command or alias to "get me to room xxx"
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: shrug, I type aliases to use portals, nothing wrong with it
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's nothing wrong with it if you want to do things inefficiently and in a way which may simply not work
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I have an alias to add portals to mapper :p
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: For those three portals, I just added the level-based get/wear check into my recall alias
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you should read through Hosch's mapper tips page...it describes how to handle things like this
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: actually, I created a global function to decide which portal to wear, if the mapper can call that alias upon direction execution then I would just make it do that
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course it can...yer doin' it wrong :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the google code wiki page on the mapper has a lot of info on it, including a link to Hosch's tips page...that page walks you through some good logic for how to handle things like what you think you want
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: actually I think it's better to use "mapper portal portal_alias", where you create the portal_alias which handles the specific portal. It's easier to edit the portal_alias than the mapper portal-list.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, in my client, I have a "do_portal_engine", which abstracts "using a portal"...so I call do_portal_engine <portalkeyword> <bagkeyword>
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: i have mine set up like ElFeneri
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and that function first looks to see if the portal I want to use is my current "primary portal"...if so, then just send "enter"...if not, get portal bag, wear portal, enter, re-dual-or-primaryportal, put portal bag (with some variable checks for whether I'm dual wielding and whether that character has the portal wish)
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: how do you do that check for primary portal?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: checks a variable
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: how is that variable set? manually?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: like, how would i make that variable true automatically when I reach the needed level
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not worth automating something which would be typed 3 times per mort...
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: I was thinking to trigger on the levelup message to change the variable
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I disagree, that auto-select portal saves me a lot of trouble
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no it doesn't
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: due to numerous speedwalks requiring portals, part of the speedwalk is re-equipping the right portal
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've done your portals wrong
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: rofl.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't use a mapper either. *shrug*
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fine, either you've done your portals wrong, or you don't know what we're talking about :P
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: He wants a function to auto-equip the right portal when such action is required, sounds like
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: actually now that i think about it, that would still need to be changed upon tier
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing would be broken or troubled by not updating that
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, rauru...if you were going to bother automating it, might as well put tier recognition into the automation
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: https://xkcd.com/1319
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You don't need to change it each tier, just have your level message (and perhaps a periodic message e.g. tick) calculate your tier level and store that in a separate variable from your actual level.  All of my level-based functions use this and it has worked without issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rauru Tech: well what is it like 21 changes per tier if i dont automate it
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I store 2 variables...my_level and effective_level
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: nods, char_level, and char_level_tier for me
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my spellup script uses effective_level for whether it can cast stuff, but my_level for when wraith form adds extras, for example
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: local level = tonumber(gmcpLoad("char.status.level"))
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: which plugin shows repop timer?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: repop time based on what?
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: cast sense life shows repop timer
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: not any way for a plugin to know any better than that
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: oh.. i thought it was a plug-in. :)
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: there are probably scripts that remember the time from the last time you cast sense life, and can report it
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: but that's only useful until the next repop, and only after you've cast sense life
T3/r7/2014-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: ok.  thank you.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: hello
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MrBigCow Tech: hello
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: is there a list of all the spells when they end, so i can add them into my mudlet?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help spelltags
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: I mean like a list already written down, So I just do the triggers for them. My disc died and I didnt backed up aarad
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you only need one trigger...
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's what spelltags are for
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: any reasonably-modern spellup script will use the {affoff}, {recoff} and {sfail} messages, so I was exaggerating slightly when I said just 1 trigger, it requires a few, but nothing that you'd need a list of triggerable things for
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: im using mudlet
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they work fine in mudlet
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: if any remembers a site that has them all written down will be appreciated to let me know, thanks
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you really don't want them all written down
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: truly and honestly
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you use them all written down, you'll be wasting tons of time writing something which can be done in minutes
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronda: are you using MAG with your Mudlet? iirc that includes a spelltags-based spellup script
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: I have mudlet 1.1 and that is it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: will do it manually dont worry about it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: dont suffer on my behalf
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's nothing to suffer for
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've already been told exactly what to trigger on for 100% of your spells...
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronda Tech: not really but, thanks for your information
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or you can download the Mudlet Aardwolf GUI which has the script
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes really
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've written it in multiple clients with only the trigger text that I gave you
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: howcome mapper always fails to run to aylor? even got a garbage can portal set 
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Try 'mapper goto 32418'
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: From anywhere
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Except aylor ofcourse
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: works fine
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: How do you run to aylor using mapper?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Winkle's?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: nod
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Go to recall, then 'xset mark
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: THen xrt aylor again
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: sweet! thanks! 
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bamboo smiles happily.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: do anyone know if Materiamagica is newer or older then aardwolf?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: in MUSHclient, if I want a trigger to send a command, and then block the results of the command from output, would I be best to include enable a trigger group containing gag triggers, then have the command sent, then disable the trigger group? or is there an easier way?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: any idea how to debug why IE 11 won't start? I mean it starts 75% - and seems like fail to load some part of it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I've uninstalled IE 11, so 10 works, then reinstalled it and still does not work
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: turn off all plugins?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it starts with -extoff, but when I turn off all extensions there is no difference
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it seems to fail load last piece of it - I mean there is address bar so I can type address but it doesn't open pages
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also it lacks File, Tools, Help menus
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but have Page, Security, Tools IE 2nd bar
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but opening those menus is really slow after clicking menu it takes around 3 secs to open that menu
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: no idea sorry
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, at least IE 10 works :)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Torskman holds his thumb up at nothing in particular.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: I need to do a sound file to play in mush client.. What sound files are supported?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Tiger, Ophelion Tech: for a trigger? wav
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: Ty
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: Can someone make this a .wav for me? I'm durr when it comes to it... :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVu-B4bvTFY
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: you were able to dl it as mp4 or something?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: *shake*
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Codex Tech: I think I have someone doing it :)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tylertwo Tech: ok
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: with the bast plugin for scan highlight, it seems to work on quest mobs but not cp mobs, could i have something else turned off that i need to turn on?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: here's some fantastic Micro$oft logic for you: Uninstall IE8, removes IE8 reverts to IE6. Remove IE6, pretends to uninstall IE6 but in reality leaves IE6 in places AND sets it to be the default browser. WTF?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: what windows version?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: xp
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: iirc that's the last one where IE was integrated with windows explorer, meaning IE can't be fully unistalled
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just a shame that removing internet explorer doesn't remove it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: fully? can't even slightly be removed
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: didn't they lose a lawsuit about that?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yup
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: laws don't apply to microsoft
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: the correct solution is to uninstall XP ^^
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: err no
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: can't be changing OS until i can afford new drives, and will still need it in a VM
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a bit of a disappointment how technology always forces you from a stable, reliable, well known platform to shit ones that are known to be faulty
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you can blame the modern obsession with rapid updates and new products every 2 years for that
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: cash cows are great to have, suck to keep up with
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well what they basically have done is reduced the expenditure on development by releasing crap buggy products and convincing the public, the consumers to do the testing for them
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: it will be nice when it really reduces the price
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it has
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: microsoft has suffered badly from a lack of competition
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: linux is well priced
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: most software types are roughly 2/3 the price they were 20 years ago
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: thinking mainly of os, productivity, office software, and even games
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: the price of windows is and always has been absurd
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 80 quid? seems about the going rate to me
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: It's about 100 bucks now. Used to be 3-400...
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: How is that absurd?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i certainly won't be buying another m$ product for ideological reasons. Even their hardware sucks these days
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: A 10 mb computer in 1983 was $6k.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i was annoyed by Oracle today, and their shitty 'updates' where something written in java, which is supposed to be standardised, breaks between going from v3.1 of their server and v3.1.2
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i am just hating java these days
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think IE, Chrome, and Mozilla are trying to move away from it.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: html5 was suppose to allow that.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's because it got taken over by a terrible company and the coding done partly by barely trained monkies in India, and partly but obnoxious sandal-wearing yurt-dwelling metrosexual inbreds in San Francisco, none of which have had to actually use their products in a real environment
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: at least a start
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you're thinking of applets, turie, it's a pretty commonly used web server environment
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that an embedded devices
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: No, I am thinking Flash....
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: flash is still well used
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and nothing to do with java
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I got them mixed up is all.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: easily done, both nag you for updates every few minutes
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Oracle basically wants to make a profit off of previously open source materials.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Look at what they did when they went after Google for Android.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Oracle did what for Android?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Sued them.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Oh. That seems silly.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: What seems silly is Apple suing Samsung over patents that should never be allowed.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: oracle claimed google's use of java APIs infringed their copyright
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's because Oracle are a bunch of dumbarses
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: the main purpose of Flash Player seems to be to spam me with adverts
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vost mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: The judge said basically that Android is open source that there was not copyright infringement.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: er, you have that backwards, Turie
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: more than that, the ruling was that the APIs were not copyrightable
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: the fact that Android is open source is beside the point
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: l
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I saw that Oracle was just wanting usage fees is all.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: Android ought to be free, then
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I think you can download it.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that doesn't make it free :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: android gets less and less open source with every version
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it'll probably become fully proprietry and monetised soon
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: once they've got market share
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: Spelter, that is because vendors add extra proprietary crapware before shipping
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: They have to be careful because Apple then can sue them at that point directly.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: why directly?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: no, that can't be done with open source software
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: no, it's because Google replace more and more of the open source base with their own proprietary code
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: they could add on proprietary bits, but the core would still be open source
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Some of the OS touch interactions are copyrighted by Apple from what I read in the money.cnn.com reports in dealing with Samsung.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they can replace the core
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: it is, but it's had n updates for years
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Spelter declares the academy a waste of time, then asks how the hell do you play this mud anyway?!
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: doh
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: then it wouldn't really be Android any more
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: can't get used to the asterisk emote thing :P
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it looks like android and works like android, consumers wouldn't give a monkies
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: What is the Android variant in China?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: if it makes the purchased product more expensive, consumers will care
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: It starts with a T I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: it probably won't, it's about tying consumers into the google ecosystem
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: at the point they have market share, it won't matter, they probably won't attach much of a premium to it, and will probably release a free one that bombards you with adverts
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: they can probably make more than enough money just scraping your usage and personal data from your android device
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: an OS, free or otherwise, that spams adverts is unlikely to be successful
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tizen is its name I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: well, isn't that already happening?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yup
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i have as little to do with google as i possible can, for ideological reasons
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Samsung is trying to ditch google play and make their own ecosystem I think.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tigernuts: You hate MS, Google, and Apple....If I am reading tech correctly.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pretty much
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i still use m$ products, wouldn't buy any more, avoid google as much as possible, and never touch an apple product
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Soon, you will hate Ubuntu, Linux, RedHat, and so on.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'll probably be installing debian
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and i'll hate it because it isn't xp
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but it'll be the least-worst option
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tigernuts: What OS would you prefer?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i 'prefer' windows xp, but i need something more up to date and secure
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what do you use it for?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Tigernuts: Windows 7 Pro is pretty close to XP.
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: windows 7 pro is also a m$ product so i won't be touching it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i use it at work, don't like it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if your opperating system isnt selected for you by the applications you need then linux can do jsut about all of it
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it is, tormat
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: still don't have much choice though but to use linux
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Just use Unix!
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I wonder how long till someone creates their own OS that is nothing like any other and takes over the world!!!!
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: Skynet OS?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 19 years
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cheated by renaming the internet explorer executable for now
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: IE sucks and this bug proves it!
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it was self evident
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: Hey everyone, I messed up my windows in Mushclient by dragging them around. Is there a way to reset them?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "aardreset" or "resetaard" (I forget which one is the current one, they changed it at one point)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: Ok thanks Abelinc
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: It's resetaard, if anyone has this problem :)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note that it'll only reset the locations of the "stock" windows and ones made by someone who uses Fiendish's window code...Bast and Winkle use different code to reset their windows
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: ok Abelinc, i'll just uninstall/reinstall my bast plugins. Thanks a lot
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: uninstalling/reinstalling actually wouldn't reset the positions...I'm pretty sure there's a command for it, don't remember what it is offhand though (winkle's is xset reset gui)
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the reason uninstalling/reinstalling won't do it is that window position is kept in state files, which aren't removed/reinstalled...you can remove the state files
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: here we go, this is the info for resetting Bast's stuff: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/FAQ
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try typing "chats show"
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: it says "Chats window now shown. Type 'chats hide' to hide it." Buy I still don't see it at the top where it usually is :(
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, is there something else in that spot that may be obscuring it?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: i'm gonna uninstall muchclient and reinstall it. I keep getting the 4-way arrow to move stuff around in the empty places on my screen. thanks for your help. hopefully a reinstall will sort it out
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't uninstall, just unzip the new one to a different directory
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: oh ok thanks :) i forgot that i never ran an exe to install mushclient
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: i need to reinstall too, i have same issues
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: Abe, what is the file that saves all my aliases in?
T3/r7/2014-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the world .mcl file
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: thanks Abelinc! 5 Stars for you!
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you go to aardwolf.com, click the screenshot and click download client, that page has the info on how to copy stuff over
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: cool
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although if you're going to download a new client, get this one: https://github.com/fiendish/aardwolfclientpackage/archive/MUSHclient.zip
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the latest, and it's the only one that knows how to check for the current versions now
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: my can't check for current versions anymore, that sucks
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: get that one...it can
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}LiQ Tech: ok abe, i'll get that one. good thing i came back here. i was downloading the one on aardwolf.com
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: github changed their archive feature, and it impacted the versioncheck that both Fiendish and Bast used
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: err, actually it was their URL scheme for raw file access which changed, but same outcome
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: ok guys I need some mush help :) I want to have a split window like when you ctrl z in zmud is that possible?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: does mushclient save world files regularly or do i have to do it manually?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: power went out last night and i lost a crapload of aliases, etc...  :(
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: i believe that stuff is only recorded on client close
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: or manual save
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: your maps save automatically every now and then. Your aliases etc only saves upon quitting.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: quitting? or closing mushclient?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MrBigCow Tech: yep...proper client close mind you
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: closing the client
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: ballllllls
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MrBigCow winks at HorkewKamuy.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: I've had issues with it before so I started leaving the client open whenever i quit
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: file>save does save them too guys
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: you can save manually though without quitting
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: yea, and i do but obviously not often enough
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MrBigCow thanks Loony Lachdanan heartily.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: thanks for answers :/
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MrBigCow consoles HorkewKamuy. It is obvious that MrBigCow cares.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: HorkewKamuy bursts into tears.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: i hate computers... i hate when they mind-read when I don't want them to, but they don't mind-read when I reaalllllly want them to... lol
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: are mapper cexits saved in the mushclient world file? or a separate file?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mapper file
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: ok cool, hopefully i didn't loose all those when i lost world file last night (power outage)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loony Lachdanan Tech: the mapper file is a database. it's constantly updated, and has regular backups.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the aard download page gives info on how to transfer different parts of info...and it even has info which would probably get you everything from the world file
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: what is the string for 'bast quest' plugin help again?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: anyone? just that string of 2 or 3 characters for the bast quest plugin? trying to find help file so i can reopen the plugin window
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: anyone know what the command for bast quest plugin help is?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Heex Tech: triple spam
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: heh, I don't consider that spam... just asking once in each channel :P
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HorkewKamuy Tech: covering all bases... I can't believe SOMEone doesn't know this... lol
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: so currently I am running the mushclient on wine on my mac. IŽll be returning home soon to my PC, is there any way to reconcile the mapper data of the two 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: copy the whole mushclient folder from wine (to a usb?), then copy it to your pc!
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: that'll copy ALL your triggers, plugins, etc..
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Torskman Tech: I copy the aardwolf.db to dropbox when I switch pc... 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: Yes, but that will overwrite the mapped data surely ? IŽm just a wee R0 so basically anything up to lvl 50 is on my PC, areas thereafter are on my mac
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: merge the two you mean, then?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: indeed, Xyndor
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: don't think so, one will replace the other
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: depends how tech savvy you are, but beyond compare might help.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: i mean the alternative is to just map it again once I remorted, since iŽll be returnign to most areas for exp anyways...but it would have been nice
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: personally, Id just take the one with the higher level areas and replore the lower ones... easier and probably save time.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Mendaloth crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Don't Bore Xyndor.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: yeah my thoughtŽs exactly
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrutusNero Tech: toughts
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: remember that you can reset the explored room count for the lower level areas, so you can make sure that you've got all the rooms covered once more :)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gbreat Tech: what change background color?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: I'm having a problem with my mushclient. The past week it's gotten into a habit of locking me out - my character is still connected, i'm still attacking automaticallyw hen my group engages, but I can't talk or put in any commands - I have to disconnect/reconnect to get it working again properly 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: any ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: some multiline trigger consuming all input ?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: hrmmm..... I don't know
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: it just happens randomly when I'm out pupping
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: next time try disabling all triggers / plugins instead just reconnecting
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: any if it works again then we know it's a trigger/pluggin ? 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: game -> configure -> triggers  untick "enable triggers"
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: for plugins  just: File -> Plugins , select all using shift + mouse, then disable
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway, you just disconnect/connect without restarting mush ?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: okay thanks, I'll try that
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: I have a question! :) I need/want to have something similar to ctrl z in zmud but in mush anything like that?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what does ctrl - z ?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: like a split screen 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loree Tech: umm.. what does CTRL z DO in zMUD?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: split screen? what for ?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: so you can scroll up but still see the stuff going on 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: that would be useful
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: very
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: I used it a lot while doing upgrades before so I could see what I was typing but could keep what I needed to see where I could see it 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: not a full solution, but you can configure mush to not move when you enter commands
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: that way, you can keep it paused on the section of the screen you're working on, and then go from there.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: microsoft are now actively sabotaging windows xp systems
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: but it would be definitely useful regardless. I miss split screens.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: only problem with that is you can't type while using it
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: and only microsoft has no updated web browser for XP
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not only are they preventing you uninstalling IE, but even if you rename the executable, it automatically creates a new copy to replace it
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purltastic Growltiger Tech: it's a virus really
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you could open log in notepad
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you can uninstall IE
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: Kharpern, you can type with the screen paused.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: go to game-configure-output, untick 'Un-pause on send'
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: it scrolls back to the bottom
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spelter Tech: pretty sure IE and windows explorer are inextricably linked in XP, so if you removed IE the OS would be crippled. That's why it won't let you
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: that's why I said you can disable that.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: ahh ok but then I can't really see what happens but worth a try
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purltastic Growltiger Tech: Oh that's lovely to know
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: typed it as you said it :)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: that's the downside. you can type it all up and see what you're copying, but won't see the output until you unpause.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: but there's no "split screen" capability in mush that I'm aware of, unfortunately.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: is in zmud :-)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: I know nuts but zmud isn't really working with editing 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: I tried yesterday and it really wasn't working other than the split screen
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: dunno what you're trying to achieve
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: if it's from notes, however, you could have a trigger to send notes to a miniwindow.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: then you can read the note and type what you need to at the same time.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: oh that might be a good idea
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: that might be a better idea actually
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: this has been super annoying
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and what is it with car manufacturers and really effing stupid design policies, such as designing a car such that when the battery in the keyfob runs out, you cannot lock the car
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: is that in the commlog?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: bast's mini_help would be a great place to start looking. you could even modifiy it for notes (I do echo {note}, note, echo {/note} for reading notes)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Knitastic Kharpern Tech: ok have to look into that I have a pretty bare minimum on this window for plugins just mostly com logs 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa nods.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dustpuppy Tech: what's the fastest way to type mapper area <desc> and mapper goto <roomid>
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: with your fingers
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: what do you mean by area desc? area name like nanjiki?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Anyone able to help troubleshoot why my laptop runs so hot when running linux? Current cpu is marked at 77C and GPU at 96C. >.<
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: badly engineered
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Except it runs cooler when running windows.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: blocked vents
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: maybe linux just works it harder, though it shouldn't run that hot under any circumstance
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you could run top to see if something in particular is hammering it
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: though it's more likely it's just screwed hardware at fault
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Wouldn't bad hardware be running hot regardless of OS?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not necessarily
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: install proprietary drivers instead of the open source drivers
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i guess the power management drivers could be screwed on linux, but it'd be a terrible bit of hardware design that would allow the software to cause it to heat up like that
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: not really, the power management circuits that controls that stuff are often full of features that only proprietary drivers handle
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it would still be bad design to allow overheating in it's absence
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: for some reason the PMICs are often kept very secret
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what would stop it overheating during OS installs? or sitting in bios?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: it's not overheating, it's just not using the power saving featuers
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 96C on a laptop is overheating
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: great to keep coffee warm while playing aard
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: they will shut down if overheated. If not, then it's bad design.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: in proprietary drivers the performance will be lowered rather than shut down to keep them from overheating
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well that's reassuring :-) so you just get a laptop that randomly cuts out when it gets hot
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: if you insist on using open source drivers then that's what could happen with some hardware
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it was designed properly it would be handled by bios
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: bios isn't capable of such things
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wtf?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's been doing such things for 15 years or more
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i can go into my bios right now and set different cooling profiles
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: you mean that bios has all the power save functions for all hardware produced long after the bios was made?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: and linux doesn't care about bios
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's a laptop, what's it doing having hardware made after the bios was written especially for it?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: the bios was not made for that set of hardware, it was made for the chipset on the mobo
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it was programmed for that hardware, that's why it's specific to that model of laptop
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there are standards that govern communication of health status between hardware and bios
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the hardware conforms to that standard, the bios conforms to that standard
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it is only advanced features up and above that standard that require OS drivers
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: anyway, linux is making the hardware run hot, not the bios.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bad design is making the laptop run hot, exacerbated by linux
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (or a fault)
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Had smxi install the AMD drivers, currently everything's down in the 60's now, I think it's still slowly cooling down too.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: isn't a dell, is it?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: No. And it's not a hardware issue.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: anyone else having any lag issues with the newest mush client?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how do you know it's the newest mush client causing it?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i have not had that issue with the last one... been disconneced 4 times, i have already checked my internet connection, and i used telnet to connect and the issue was not there.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: and that responce took 4 seconds to post to the mud
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: but i am open to other ideas
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: can anyone recommend a good video card that supports 2 monitors?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CeilingCat Tech: geforce titan
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: probably one with structural reinforcement.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetch Tech: i usually go with ... what can i afford :p
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: way over my budget.  something less?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: what are you going to do with 2 monitors?  game? mudding?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: whats your budget?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: 150 or less
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: mud and work.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: most graphic card come with dual monitor support, if your only using it for office work and mud... just look for one in your range as you don't need a high spec one
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CeilingCat Tech: i was gaming dual screen with an amd hd6790, and thats two generations old now. 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i'm still using a 9500GT thats like 4 gen old
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: i'm taking donation for a new graphic card....   :(
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}CeilingCat Tech: if you go cheap, or old, you might have to lower some settings in 3d games. otherwise they work fine
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: where I always go for gpu info
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: says the best one in that range is Radeon R7 260X
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: GTX650i is what I have and seems to do the job for not much money
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: for $120
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: radeons smell of wee
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i don't do 3d, so nothing too fancy.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you don't do 3d why need anything more than your 9500GT?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: wait, you have a dedicated card already?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Askani Tech: don't diss my 9500GT...  i luv my card  :(
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: no.  just using mobo's in-built video.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: that website I linked knows its stuff.  I would pick a budget, and pick whichever one it says is best in that range
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: ] *bounce
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hopelessly Mackenzie Tech: ig ignore
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: just ordered astro a40s just wondering if anyone has them know if they have mic monitoring? getting conflicting answers off google
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: my tablet turned itself on, and now is stuck at low battery. it wont stay off long enough to charge. tturns on. blinks a bit, then turns off. and repeats.  i can load the recovery screen but it shuts off before i can do anything.   ideas?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: send back to vendor for refund
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: Can someone help me test something please. visit http://www.aardpirates.org/showroom.php?uid=28303 and click on Duckbat Link:--> Duckbat. And tell me if it redirects you to bootcamp website.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: but if i go to duckbat.com it redirects to aardfaws.com
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akavir Tech: it threw me to boot camp
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<(*)> Xoxa Tech: maybe because duckbat.com is redirected, but its parameters aren't.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: ok, i thought it was just my crappy pc
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the same server that runs bootcamp also runs aardfaqs...hadar runs it
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: <(*)> Xoxa nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rampager Tech: ahhhh, our most venerable leader. what a guy
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: In excel, I want to put the name of a cell (eg. "A2") in some cell, and use that string as a cell reference in other formulas.  Any know how to do that off the top of their head?
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gaged Anaristos Tech: check out the indirect function, might be what you want.
T3/r7/2014-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: I think that's exactly what I want, thanks