T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is security queues at US airports to be shorter than 90 minutes'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Well, I have to agree. I once refused one of those TSA scanners on the basis that it causes cancer. I was... "detained".'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they swapped out those machines for different ones, but the queues are still considerable. Compared with Heathrow which took <2 minutes'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mistakenly tried to take 500ml of juice through heathrow security, shows the difference in attitude - asked him if i could drink it, he obliged, then he threw the empty bottle at a bin (and missed)'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Eh, I started using Greyhound, it's already enough that I have to have 3-4 computers hanging off of my body.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my comparison, US security would be best described as "taciturn"'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DC airport sucks, btw'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno how any English speaker manages there'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'ATL airport is horrible as well. Have to know ebonics, spanglish, and hipster slang just to get through the terminal.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i went through IND, and that was fine'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think i'd want to live in IND though, nice enough people but too flat and a bit impoverished and dangerous around the edges'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly it is illegal to buy rolling tobacco in IND'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Heh, I've lived in a "dangerous area" for so long that suburbs are scary to me.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3 shootings during my 10 day stay, 2 on the eve of race day'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the locals are blaming MTV'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mique laughs
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's more likely just the degeneration of society in general to blame'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Yep, social media has pretty much ruined humanity.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just social media, breakdown of family units, lack of moral cohesion. Urban culture doesn't help'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Get several guns before it is impossible.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could even argue the debasement of religion hasn't help'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Well religion was always a method of control, so I'm not concerned about religions going away.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not religious, but if as a method of control and support, religion used to stop these dumbarses from shooting each other and generally being a drag on society... and now it's not there.... isn't that actually a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'For example, if I were to time travel back to the stone ages with the general knowledge I have now, I could Jim Jones an entire region of people with hardly any effort.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it used to be that religion would give the moral compass, give rules, but also give conditional support for followers. Now it has been replace with government, albeit without the moral compass and without the conditions'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it depends if you only see religion through the lense of abuse'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jim Jones and Barack Obama are pretty much the same thing'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Nah, Jim Jones was smarter.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Obama was just a gimmick as far as I can tell.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw a SUV with a window decal on the back window saying "Barack Obama - corrupt AND incompetent"'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made me chuckle, wonder how often he gets pulled over by the cops'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'He's too busy blowing tax money on family vacations to be arrested.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'no one is even debating on this channel, there isn't any devil's advocate'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bask in the moments of unity'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'No one has said anything debateable yet.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't like how that basketball team sale fiasco panned out'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'i saw a drone in a target parking lot'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really is a dangerous precedent when a group of corporates/media can basically force you to do something against your will by arbitrarily having you declared mentally incompetent'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'But yeah, guns... get a lot of them, because they'll probably only have to stage a few more "shootings" before they weasel their martial laws into the mix.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Maybe it was one of those Amazon drones... :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'They're in your XB-1 watching you choke it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least i got to go shooting while i was visiting, before the communists ban AR-15's altogether'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'We've already buried a cache of standard arms... 30-30, couple of handguns and shotguns, and a 30-06.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this was my first shooting experience, coming from the UK where we have none, bar shotguns for a few police-approved farmers'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, i wouldn't choose handguns - i'm pants with them'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to play with a 9mm carbine, that was nice'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Maybe a 12-gauge with coin shot if you're not that good at aiming.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Don't really need too with that.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, was fine with the carbine and fine with the ar-15'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those weirdos who say they're difficult for beginners want their heads read'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Yeah the newish carbines are good stuff, but the old ones are difficult, they jam and slam fire a lot.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're mechanically simple though'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Yeah, that's why most of the handguns we decided to stash were revolvers.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, got to play with a 38 special, that was loud'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'carbine really just means it has a shorter barrel than the rifle would typically have...nothing changes with the mechanics of the gun'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Yep.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my dad just bought a 38 special revolver...yup, very simple'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, abe, but the 9mm carbine was lighter and practically no recoil. bit of an arseache to load compared to the AR15 though'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'I meant the older semi-auto/auto's can be difficult for new shooters, because they generally don't feed as smoothly.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'So you either jam and/or slam fire off the rest of your magazine.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well caches are always good, but what are they for?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'The .38 I had was an old belly gun... basically a dead man's piece, because it has no ejector and the cylinder is a twist-lock.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'It's for when they start taking everyones guns.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'We'll still have ours.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'military surplus stores'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i guess they won't come for the guns in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Heh, you get good deals at surplus.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Plate carriers with type 3A plating for $300.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'yup '
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've gotta get off my ass and start my collection'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I get lazy living in one of the states which isn't in much jeopardy'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's that, Abe, Texas?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'PA'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear a lot about bad cops in PA but not gun control, what's it like there?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'PA's constitution is basically written with guns as a right'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'duplicate of the 2nd, then'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd say stronger than the 2nd'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the opinion/direction of your local government though?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got the democrat infection, neocons, or teabaggers?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no permit required for ownership, permit required to carry...but the way the law is written, when you apply for permit, they must have a compelling reason to turn down or else it's an automatic yes'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Georgia mostly has a lot of right-wing sheep that just do whatever the tube says.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'But we do have guns built into the state law.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Georgia has a good chance of being safe'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whereas I'm from New York State, and getting a permit there is a whole ordeal'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'state troppers interview family/friends, you don't hear anything for 6 months to a year, etc'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYC and NYS give the impression of being defacto police states'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Nah, once they start rounding up firearms, I think they'll try to cover as much ground as possible, regardless of laws.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they'll use feds, Nec'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'NYC is much worse than the rest of the state...nobody is allowed permits in NYC except law enforcement and act 235'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck the state/local law enforcement will take up arms against them at that point'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't, you're in a whole heap of trouble'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Thus, the cache. :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt they'll move anytime soon or with any great speed. They'll probably wait for another critical failure of the mental health care system to justify another push, in the meantime they'll continue brainwashing the kids to give them a higher chance of success the further down the road the can is kicked'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i watched some childrens TV while in the US, it -is- brainwashing propaganda'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had me scratching my head wondering wtf was going on'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'US has already bought enough rounds of ammuntion to fight 3 WW2's and they are steadily buying riot control gear.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'There is a plan somewhere.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the watchers on this channel are aware of that, even if they don't believe it'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, it's called climate change.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'Just look at all the crazy celebrities the US has, always in the media with alter-ego stories from their days as an MK-Ultra subject.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nec: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v82-MPeCPnM'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'talking about racism is now racist.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'gary barlow'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you mean Alan Barron, eighth grade teacher in Michigan, who was suspended for informing his students that white actors of the Jim Crow era used to don blackface to portray black people?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that accurate?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'was it in detroit'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can't see how it's not, I read it on the internet.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when your kids programs promote transgenderism, you know your society's screwed'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'ew haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it all went downhill once those sinister folk were allowed in.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which ones?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I already told you, the SINISTER ones.'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'ted danson'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is ted danson?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the actor from cheers?'
T3/r7/2014-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alfgarsson: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder why there is always TV coverage of G20/G8 but none of Bilderberg'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'who is Bilderberg?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Vost has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'reptilian overlords. thanks obama'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely they were told to stay away'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or maybe reptilian obama and we have to thank the overlords. either way - jews are to blame'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are jews often to blame?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, btw, you would really enjoy 4chan's /pol/ if you don't already. you'd fit right in'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't do that'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what? enjoy things?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4chan'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor reddit'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, reddit is for ponces. i agree on that'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4chan is fun tho (depending on the board, of course). i'm sure you could enjoy /pol/ unironically'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would think 4chan has lots of people like Zade on it, which is a good reason to avoid it'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some boards are like that, yes'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but /pol/ is dedicated to libertarianism, praising putin and talking shit about obama. gun control is fashism, hitler did nothing wrong and jews are behind everything'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think you'd fit in'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'farage is one of their mascots even. or maybe you're more into bnp?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't subscribe to the whole tribalism thing'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i did i'd watch sport'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go HEAT! *dribble*'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, a bakery lost a court case after they were prosecuted for refusing to serve a gay couple'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I have mixed feelings on that'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so do i'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, me too'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'for one, why would you fight to be served by a company that doesn't want you? just to  make a point?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's 'liberals' for you'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will accept their culture, rammed down your throat (or up your arse), by force of law if necessary'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'the other side of the coin is that you will have such a atmosphere that you could say I don't like you because.....'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and regardless of the because you wouldn't have to serve them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't want to serve you then go elsewhere'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'but it also seems you wouldn't stay in business very long if you kept sending cstomers away because... lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have far less mixed feelings about government officials refusing to perform services for people -- like that judge in LA who refused to marry a mixed-race (heterosexual) couple'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is a bit different'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'never trust a govt to do what is in your best interest'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's next, can i sue a girl for refusing to date me?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some idiot has proposed that'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'that is justified :p'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if i refuse the advances of a gay man, can i now be sued for discrimination?'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'that is a little different then a business/govt issue'
T3/r7/2014-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could a hooker be prosecuted for refusing to offer her services to a lesbian?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the... how?! How is Alaska 2nd in median household income when sorted by state?!'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expensive to reside in Alaska - heating and transportation'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not hard to believe Alaska is 2nd median household income - far fewer immigrants and wasters up there'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '2nd median?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'median income'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think that median does not mean what Tigernuts thinks it means'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, the median income will usually be lower than the average income, so if the Alaskan median income is the 2nd highest, the average would probably still be fairly high (though probably not 2nd).'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's just a guess , not knowing where the stat comes from'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alaska income probably has notably lower variance because of the things i mentioned'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm fully aware of the difference between median and mean, thankyou'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts did not mention anything believable'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statistics and demographics clearly not your strong point then, zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anything that Tigernuts says is not believable - even if statistics and demographics seem to concur'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a strawman argument to me'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monarchies everywhere in europe appear to be running away and pushing "youth" and celebrity'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not surprising given the rise of independence, seperatism, and right wing parties'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that threatens the establishment corporate elite is a good thing, even if it runs the risk of being 'right wing' by their definition'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with this latest trade of gitmo prisoners for some deserter?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of the situation, I hate seeing someone held captive by terrorist.  That being said, negotiating with them is a bad move.'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unsurprising the neocons are going after the non-negotiation, breaking of the law angle'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were up to me i'd trade back all my captured men, release all the other prisoners and close gitmo, pull out of afghanistan immediately and completely, including the private forces'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-heres-what-happens-when-taliban-leaders-are-released/2014/06/02/60eab8aa-ea59-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html?wprss=rss_opinions'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never have captured them in the first place, was against the law to do so'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but releasing them seems to make the situation even worse'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an extent i agree, but they never should have been captured in the first place'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Bush administration subverted the law and the Geneva Convention to hold and torture random civilians'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, i'm just saying that this is where we're at, regardless of what should or shouldn't have happened.  It's an ugly situation, but trading them for what amounts to terrorist demands is not a good decision.  But only time will tell.'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, vost'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should just release the rest and close the damned place'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like he promised'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think that Obama is trying to do that'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the likes of McCain, Kerry, Reid, and that lunatic Graham, no hope'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't drip feed it, do it in one swoop and suck up the outfall'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the article i linked goes over what happened with one of the leaders that was released a few years ago.  They ended up going on and causing even more problems than they had before they were 'detained''
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think that's the problem, we shouldn't have them, but releasing them is almost too dangerous'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US were still in Afghanistan at the time, so that's obviously an outcome'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of the damn place THEN release them'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'We had no right nor legal justification to invade Afghanistan in the first place, think of all the death and expense it's caused for no gain'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'i think those who supply military hardware have gained quite a bit out of the invasion.'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, they're the ones who part-own the government'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'but i guess they gain either way, eh?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were genuinely interested in eradicating radical islam, take out Saudi Arabia and Bahrain'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran isn't a threat either, it's moderating internally and if left, will moderate it's governance as the old guard of mullah's die and get replaced'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not sure how you take out Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of it and impose sanctions'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at the least, pull out and start denouncing all the crap they do'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just treating them equally and fairly would be a start and an improvement over the current hypocrisy of turning a blind eye to them while denouncing other countries'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure how much oil the U.K. gets from them (I think the U.S. is like 10% or something), but I'd think they'd be in a position to combat sanctions by leveraging their oil production'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite likely, but you don't need economic sanctions'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'true, but that may still cause a response'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, I'd argue that that's part of the reasons people turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of response will it provoke?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd imagine they'd start turning down production.  Plus, the OPEC nations tend to support each other, so they may also follow suit'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the ramping up of oil production in the US combined with reducing demand across the west, why would this matter?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to double check the numbers, but I don't think the U.S. could compensate (well, depending on how sever the response was).'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you are justifying the support of extremism and hypocrisy out of some semblence of Stockholm syndrome'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I just think it's easy to say that we should deal with them harshly, but they have a particular resource that's needed by developed nations.  '
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between "dealing with them harshly" and "actively supporting them and turning a blind eye"'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'plus, as I said earlier, the U.S. doesn't get the majority of their oil from them, so those affected would be other countries.  Which would be cause a lot of other political headaches'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, yeah, I agree with that'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the US, that's not your problem'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at the risk of sounding liberal, you can't simply remove yourself from the international community'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, but neither can you bury your head in the sand and pretend what you've done is great and not change it'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'of course you can, if you're willing to become another north korea.'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything - the reason US is hated worldwide is because of interference and a gulf in what they claim they stand for and the action they've taken'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'North Korea is a great Country -- we should be like them'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but with me in charge'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh, I'm not going to call Obama 'Wonderful leader''
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'north korea is best korea'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama isn't Wonderful Leader? WHat's the matter with you, are you a racist? or a teabagger?'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be arrested and put in a FEMA camp'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but what this really comes down to is whether or not the politicians have the political stomach to go with what your'e suggesting'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the public would support principle leaders above greasy ones'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm not a teabagger, so I guess that makes me racist :('
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of afghanistan, pull out of iraq, pull out of bahrain, leave the middle east alone, and stop damned interfering, close gitmo, give pardons to Manning and Snowden and sort yourself out'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's sad, if Hillary becomes president, I'll have to become sexist, too'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and sort out your damned immigration problem ffs'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and sort out your prison system too, ffs, what's with this "locking up black people for getting caught smoking pot 3 times"'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'our prison system is soooooooo messed up'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory minimums and automatic prison sentences are completely contrary to the premises upon which your country was founded'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and mine)'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'the war on drugs is a terrible idea.'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, the way the public judges the success of our court system, and prosecuters, is what their conviction rating is'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad we're all in agreement :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that doesn't sound like much of a problem, until you realize that they're under pressue to find a way to make someone guilty, instead of trying to figure out if the person could be innocent'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK, i'd like to see a system where only habitual criminals and violent criminals are put in prison'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I forget the article I was reading the other day, but there were people in jail for 10 years for robbing someone.  Now, i'm not saying they shoudln't go to jail, but 10 years for a first offense was rediculous'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I read about people getting major jail time for shop lifting.  Again, there should be a consequence, but simply throwing people in jail doesn't actually fix anything'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why they robbed, who they robbed and what they robbed are all very relevent factors that are not often taken into account anymore'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, it seems to make the situation worse'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, it's a sick joke - we don't even have a jury in most UK trials anymore'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, they're relevent factors if the criminal can afford their own lawyer'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they're not factors if they have to go with a public defender'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the whole criminal justice system is a big scam set up for the benefit of lawyers and the ruling class'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just don't understand why we've gotten to the point where the answer to crime is simply to throw someone into jail with a bunch of other criminals.  It just seems that there has to be another way'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it makes the whole title of 'Department of Corrections' a huge oxymoron'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the problem is that so many things are criminalised'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, Department of Defense likewise'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're pandering to Orwellian double-speak'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'mandatory sentencing is also an issue, I understand the desire, but I've always thought that it created more rediculous situations than it solved'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be scrapped'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now I'm just sad, you've bummed me out, Tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take pride in your opinions'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're on the side of right'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that helps.  But living in Illinois, it doesn't help much :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i just spent 10 days in indiana, i doubt it's much better down there'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly nice people though'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffled at the absence of rolling tobacco there....'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and just to bring the conversation full circle, apparently Illinois' GDP is larger than Saudi Arabia's'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of the arabian countries are oil rich, the only rich people are those in charge. The rest of the country is impoverished, but supported by huge welfare systems paid for by the oil'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'indiana isn't a bad state, though you need to avoid a few select cities'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like, I wouldn't hang out long in Gary'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a look at Yemen to see what happens when that runs out'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gary is a good opportunity for someone with money to regreen it'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'out of curiosity, why travel across the ocean to go to Indiana.  Nothing against our neighbors, but I'm not sure it'd be on the top of my list to vacation in'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think they actually have more corn than we do'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Indianapolis 500'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Ohh, that's cool'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm more into f1, though'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which makes for some very odd sleep patterns for me if I want to actually watch it live'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'F1 sucksst'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't go back to Indianapolis Speedway because the walls scared them'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, well, it does this year'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure why I like f1, but I do'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's not like you're in too much danger of accidental spoilers, so there's no real disadvantage to watching it delayed on DVR'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, yeah, that is kind of true this year'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I keep hoping they might relax the rules slightly.  I don't want to screw over Mercedes, but watching them go 1 and 2 for the rest of the year isn't exactly thrilling'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UCSB Mass Shooter dependant on Xanax. What a surprise. How many more mass murders are going to be blamed on guns instead of a shite mental health system'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can join 95% of all mass shooters since the 1980s'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Barclays are in trouble again, this time over fixing the gold price'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other crazy news, Seattle has approved a minimum wage of $15 an hour'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Yo momma so fat!'
T3/r7/2014-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'why Yo momma and why Fat?!!'
T3/r7/2014-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, US government is now labelling the people who protested/boycotted the Black Friday sales as terrorists'
T3/r7/2014-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ut oh, Miami police are in trouble: http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-seize-stingray-documents/'
T3/r7/2014-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Allegedly, The feds confiscated documents that were about to be released via FOIA that implicated MIami police in over 200 accounts of illegal premeditated wiretapping and also implicated them in a criminal conspiracy designed to cover up that fact and hide it from the justice system'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yummy, a book bound in human skin found in Harvard library'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'It seems to me that I recall that that use to not be so uncommon'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I want to say they'd use executed prisoner's skins, unclaimed bodies, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, and sorry about the 20 minute delay in a response, but I figured I should probably shower today :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, was a 19th century book'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it'd be creepy to hold'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably wouldn't feel any different to leather'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, totally the idea of it, though'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'skin usually doesn't hold ink very well, ironically'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'kidn of creepy that I know that'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, but this is just the binding, not the writing'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the EU central bank has thrown it's citizens finances to the lions in order to prop up the european rich/elite and corporation/banks by introducing a negative central bank interest rate'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never heard of a negative interest rate'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the central bank charges banks to put deposits on file there'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'great way to get people to keep their money under the mattress'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, economics isn't my forte, but with a negative rate, does that mean they'd pay out instead of charge?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the regular interest rate was also reduced from 0.25% to 0.15%. This basically means banks will end up charging their customers to have accounts'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Razkin, normally if you deposit with a bank, they pay you interest for you giving them your money'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a negative interest rate, you have to pay them to look after your money'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I see'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, more ignorance on my part, but does the EU have credit unions? and would that affect them also?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, any banking institution will be affected - their costs will increase'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will be encouraged to lend more money to the public, something the public doesn't actually need'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to do this because they are worried that inflation is too low'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because low inflation/negative inflation is great for public, but terrible for governments and banks'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so the central bank is like our federal reserve?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, a privately owned bank that prints fake money'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are the nationalities of the (expletives) that implemented this negative-interest'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU, Zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the head of the EU bank is an Italian'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'EU is several nationalities, the few (expletives) running the central bank are the abominations, and are of specific ethnic origins'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU central bank is a creature of the IMF, which has the usual culprits in charge, American, British, French, German'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a list of names of the (expletives) responsible, then look up their ethnic origins'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Central_Bank#The_Executive_Board'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, to look at that article, 128bit encryptionb is required'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your browser is broken, then'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, wife called, so I quit paying attention to what was going on here'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a channel history, you haven't missed much bar Zade being racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mique: 'Oh no, say it isnt so, you can't ignore us'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really ignored, per se'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'more like, forgot about '
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mique: 'oh well that is ever so much better?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and yeah, I check the history, but sometimes that's why I'll respond to things 20 minutes or so after they're said :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I suppose me ignoring you would be more intentional :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me too :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes 12 hours after, confuses the hell out of some'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mique agrees with Razkin
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm too easily distracted, I've failed many a quests simply because I forget that I'm doing them :\'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you to say tonight, Razkin?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nothing important'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last surviving daughter of Winston Churchill died this week'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fiscal and financial incompetence of "Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain" caused difficulties for the ECB'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also this week a bunch of WW2 veterans parachuted into France, mimicking the airdrop they did 70 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, geriatric showoffs, bleh'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hah'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's cool that people these days are active and able bodied enough to do shit like that at that age, Zade, makes me feel less bad about getting old'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have to say, I don't think I could parachute'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '18+70 is 88 .. hrm  88+ year-olds parachuting -- sounds suspicious or confabulated'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'speaking of ww2 renactments, I was reading something about a ww2 reenactment getting canceled because some of the actors for the german side had nazi uniforms'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were tandoming, zade, wasn't that harsh'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i quite believe it, Razkin, people over here are pretty stupid about such things'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prince Harry got into trouble a few years back turning up to a fancy dress party in a nazi uniform'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/cancellation-of-wwii-reenactment-because-of-participants-wearing-of-german-uniforms.html'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in Yorkshire'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'politically-correct censorship arseholes causing trouble and fomenting intolerance to gain publicity'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I remember that, now that you mention it'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I'm not a fan of not offending people, espeically when it comes to white washing history'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm sorry, but I think it's important to remember the bad with the good'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'political correctness is going way to far, to the point it almost criples some discussion on important topics'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i'm not afraid to be political incorrect or to offend people'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but politicians tend to be'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and how do you have a public discussion when the people you elect are afraid to lead those discussions'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the best way to sort that out is to desensitise people by being politically incorrect and convincing others to do likewise'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, the PC people are doing the opposite to shut down debate'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and make no mistake, that's why it's done'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may take a while to read and mentally digest that article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Central_Bank#The_Executive_Board'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that there are others to blame other than the ECB'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'who appoints the members of the board?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, the IMF, TC, BB, CFR'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, you guys said that they were of different nationalities, so is it each country, do they vote, does the board itself elect new members?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is it the shareholders?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'They are appointed "from among persons of recognised standing and professional experience in monetary or banking matters by common accord of the governments of the Member States at the level of Heads of State or Government, on a recommendation from the Council, after it has consulted the European Parliament and the Governing Council of the ECB'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'within which you should read, "they are appointed by the EU council"'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whom are not elected nor democratically accountable'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I must have missed that'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, on a "racist" note, did you notice that the financially incompetent countries "Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland" are "less white" than the competent countries'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the day to day running is based upon that executive council + the head of each of the euro-zone national banks'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there is -some- national input, but bank heads tend to be corporate cronies/IMF/CFR insiders anyway'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hadn't paid it any attention, Zade, Europe is a melting pot of Slavic, Goth, Viking, Moorish, alsorts'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I need to become a hermit'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've gone through bouts where I completely stop reading the news because I get so frustrated'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but of course, that's not an answer'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, sometimes wise, Razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but putting your head in the sand ultimately only hurts yourself'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the research for evidence whether there is a "God", and where "God" is putting in the most effort, a statistical observation is "the darker the country, the more finanncially incompetent the country"'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, Zade's gone God on us'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there may be a few exceptions or anomalies in that observation '
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder, though, if those statistics aren't skewed by the African Continent.  There's some horribly run countries there, but I"d argue that it has little to do with race, but more to do with their history and access to resources'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the case of Africa, that is race and the fact that the savage brutal murderous violence of dark africans murdered of most of the (dissenting) intellectuals'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'leadership in Africa was based upon the premise of: brutally murder off the dissenters'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tribalism'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and "dissenters" are usually the "intellectuals"'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, any oppressive regime will go after dissenters and intellectuals, the best way to control a group of people is to keep them uneducated and uninformed'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but on the plus side, Africans are great athletes'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is doing a good job of that atm, Razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU/UK not far behind'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'an how'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and tha tis'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sigh, can't type now'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but great athletes are usually not great decent political leaders'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, the irony found in our '
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'transparent government is almost funny'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if it wasn't so sad'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was promised a more transparent govenment, but instead I got the NSA'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who promised you that?'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Obama'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're just saying that because you're racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because he's blackish'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm also un-patriotic'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'academic intellectual upon gaining political leadership usually start off okay, and then they also go incompetent (because intellectual training runs out in the new siuation)'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on the bright side, after 6 years, some people are starting to suspect that , just maybe, Obama's administration might have a small amount of responsibility for the current state of the country.  But most of it is still probably Bush's fault'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd point to special interest groups in fascilitating that change, Zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially when most politicians want to get re-elected.'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been going bad for 40 years or more, but particularly since 2001'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but it'd be refreshing if someone woudl go into office and simply take the approach that regardless of who's fault it is, it's now their responsibility'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is the combination of two oppressive ethnic groups: african (dark brutlity) and oppressive european (white brutality)'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is just a gangsta'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some say that the Obama administration is corrupting and misusing the American laws to oppress those that dissent with the Obama opinions and agenda'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's pretty clear'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'those people that say that, end up getting audited by the IRS'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and put on 'no-fly' lists'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so that is more statistical evidence that "brutal oppression" is in the genes'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the human race is based upon racism (no ifs and or buts) (the "environment" apologist excuses are mostly obfuscatory and minimal)'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compare the success of the Chinese in the Americas to the failure of the Africans in the Americas'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the possibility of the existence of "God" complicates the analysis'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade looks for the dirt and at the dirt
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'OOOOOH, BURN!  More Americans say George W. Bush ran a more competent administration than Obama does.  48 to 42 percent, according to a Fox News survey.'
T3/r7/2014-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'More americans prefer Pepsi to Coca-Cola according to a survey conducted by Pepsico. Duh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, a San Antonio, TX school banned sunscreen.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Just to teach the peons who their masters are, or did they give a reason?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they claimed toxicity and medical/safety reasons (kids sharing stuff that could cause allergic reactions, or acting foolishly and someone gets it in the eyes)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'then they should ban kissing, too :>'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'and lunches, no peanut butter for sure'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'butterfly kissing is the cause of a very rare eye disease...'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the school's policy says kids can leave the sunscreen at the nurse's office and go there to reapply, but that doesn't really work for field trips.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'US schools have some of the most ridiculous rules i've ever heard :p'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i guess all those funding cuts are showing their effects'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'part of it is how litigious we've become'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the one rule they don't have is that students should wear bullet-proof vests...'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or perhaps funding isn't relevant and it is a natural result of chaining dumbing-down practices over a couple of generations'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no need for vests, since we can't bring guns to school anyways.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it might be better if students wore tinfoil hats..'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, so all those shootings were done without guns, I get it :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think Hanslanda was being sarcastic :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they should do a FCS on every student when they come to school :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So we are back around to the reasoning behind it. According to the Skin Cancer Foundation: "One blistering sunburn in childhood or adolescence more than doubles a person's chances of developing melanoma later in life." Melanoma is the most serious and likely fatal form of skin cancer.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what are the chances of smoeone getting melanoma?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'riiiight, who is going to authorize a law mandating that underage kids get felt up?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if the chance is .05% before the age of 70, well...'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the nsa does it, so why wouldn't schools :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'there should be enough perverts in congress to get the law passed :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hey, now that's an idea, let's station the NSA in our schools'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'NSA, or did you mean TSA?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, you read my mind, I'm not sure why I was saying NSA'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'for that, all you have to do is give them free cell phones :>'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but now that the cat's out of the bag, the NSA will probably want in too'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The American Cancer Society estimates that at present, about 120,000 new cases of melanoma in the US are diagnosed in a year. In 2010, about 68,130 of these were invasive melanomas, with about 38,870 in males and 29,260 in women.Melanoma kills an estimated 8,790 people in the US annually.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, but what's the chances of an average person getting it? '
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You could compromise and give them slighty less sugar, then let them get as little or much sun as they want, and cancer rates should remain stable or lower..'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given how chatty kids are, that'd probably backfire in a big way.  "NSA fails to stop terror plot due to chatty-kids backlog"'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'don't get me wrong, I"m not making light of cancer, it's jsut that sometimes people use scare statistics that aren't as scary as they sound'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Don't worry, just wear your tinfoil hat and ignore the facts, dude'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I read somewhere that a tin foil hate would probably act as a focus for any type of 'waves', kind of like an antenna'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so, ironically, a tinfoil hat would be the last thing a conspiracy theorist should put on'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But it would reflect the particles'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I forgot about the particles!'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it won't protect us from the Chlorine that the ILluminati is putting into our drinking water to control our minds, anyway'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they could wear a faraday cage...'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to keeps us all sheeple'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '<--- spent too many rears listening to Coast to Coast'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, years, I have nothing to do with rears'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'chlorinated brain cells, that's a novelty.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ears?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, I take that back, now that I think about it, I think it was flourine people were claiming was used for mind control'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can't keep all the pseudo-science straight'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'fluoride?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From the point of view of whoever is in charge, it is much easier to run society if only a tiny minority thinks on their own - you can then put those people in key positions and mostly trust systemic incentives to absorb their criticism.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'fluoridated brain cells, that's a thought :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'fluoride is apparently dangerous unless you put it in drinking water or toothpaste'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people say that as if most of society wants to think independently, most of the research shows that people are much more comfortable letting others take charge'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the illuminati are more likely using Aspartame and artificial sweeteners to dumb down the populace'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, a lot of chemicals are like that'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'chlorine is deadly, unless it's combined with sodium'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'thinking is hard work, and since you have limited conscious cognitive capacity, your brain has filters to save you from too much thinking'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'who says the population needs dumbing down? Aren't they at acceptable levels atm?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, i've heard the theories on aspartame, too'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, too much Coast to Coast'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm screwed, though, cause I use sweetner way too much'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'however, it is sort of hard to deny the effect of a schooling system that effectively kills interest in thinking and learning'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, all joking aside, that is something I do somewhat agree with'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'part of that stems from too many people having their hands in the cookie jar'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it's for their own good, Tinada. Society tends to assassinate free thinkers, so their lives are being saved :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If everyone is a free thinker, that might be complicated'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'true, but what effective ruler would allow free thinking? That would be tantamount to abdication!'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, it is possible to teach people sensible methods of thinking and self-criticism and all that, so that the # of lunatics need not increase'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Exiled To Aphelion.
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is the main problem I see - a sizable portion of people who think on their own never thought to learn to think properly, and so the results are less than stellar'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'proper thinking is a matter of opinion. You can't develop objective techniques by using the same mechanism you are trying to develop. There will always be a crucial blind spot.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bs'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'all you have to do is look at the history of philosophy, all those people thought the got it right, and they were wrong as are we.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'blind spots of some sort are inevitable, but since there are robust methods for countering/checking pretty much any typical bias or heuristic, it is certainly feasible to get the important things right'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or nearly right..'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the checking and counter-checking will all suffer either the same blind spot or some other.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think the key is to actively try and minimize it, not to expect it to be cured'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'in most cases we are unable to see the flaw because it is structurally part of the thought.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sometimes the answer is secondary to the process.  I'd rather have someone who was actively questioning things, trying to answer their own questions, and try and spot inconsitencies in debates/discussions/etc., then someone who simply was getting answers right'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Razkin.
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in the long run that is better, in the short run often worse'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aphelion is wrong'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so getting the right answers is not important. It's better to actively fail that to passively nail it :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, people are trained to answer the question, and not think about the question'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all you can do is work toward reducing the discrepancies between your constructs and reality'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know I"ve learned more from getting things wrong than I have from getting things right'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is the counter-example to the crap by Aphelion
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"There will always be a crucial blind spot." is a crap and false assertion (and currently lacking proof) (since there is no proof) (and if there were seemingly a proof, the proof 'd likely be defective perhaps also due to the "blindspot" in the defective proof)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the point, Zade.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by self-confession, there is a blindspot in the statement "There will always be a crucial blind spot" so the statement "There will always be a crucial blind spot" is a disreputable false and wrong assertion'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the circular logic just strengthens my point :) '
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'weong, Aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a religion-based proof that the statement "There will always be a crucial blind spot" is a crap and false assertion.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so... what if the statement was, 'usually there will be a blindspot in a statement''
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he argues that  claiming that an blind spot exists is subject to a blind spot. That's fine with me.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bullcrap is bullcrap, rehearse not error'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I think the point is, you're more likely to make mistakes if you assume there isn't a fault or 'blind spot' '
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so you're better off assuming there is, and thus trying to minimize any bias that you might have in your way of thinking'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is entirely different, Razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you may or may not be successful, but you'll at least be somewhat more intellectually honest'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the problem is that one can't detect a blind spot, let alone analyze it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, which is why I'd suggest assuming there's fault somewhere in your stance, or whatever you're debating/analyzing, etc and try and minimize it'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'perhaps "blind spot" is the wrong terminology.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to assume a priori the crap statement "There will always be a crucial blind spot"  is a heinous logic-error'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'heinous?'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'wow :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd also argue that in cases such as scientific research, this is where peer review comes in (though sometimes the peer review process is faulty, but that's another argument)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in the form of debate, I'd say that simply listening to the other side before you make a counter point will at least temper any blind spot or bias you might have'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'listening is hard to do, though :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'we were talking about free thinkers, not community thinkers which a peer review would entail.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to "keep looking for possible defects" is an entirely different procedure to the shutdown crap of "There will always be a crucial blind spot"'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but part of any meta-cognition would be taking criticism and weighing it against your beliefs'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I admit that using a universal quantifier wasn't the best choice, but I am too lazy to modify the statement.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, it's fun to argue about things like this, but in the end, it just means that I continue to level slower and slower'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I alreayd level pretty slowly'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I leveled once and died twice, a good day for me :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Razkin, "a fool is also more likely to make mistakes if the fool a priori assumes there is a fault or 'blind spot, and or a priori assumes there is no fault and or no 'blind spot'."  (be wary of smug unproven a priori assumptions)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade the logic-nazi dislikes smugly-stated obviously-wrong assertions
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. everyone knows that saturated fat is bad for you'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'take a valium, Zade :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade gives Exiled To Aphelion the look of death.
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How about this for bad logic: Our low saturated fat diet recommendations are not working, so we should lower the recommendations even more.'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are genetic and metabolic differences between various ethnic and racial groups -- recommendations are usually voluntary'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do Eskimos eat a high or low saturated fat diet -- perhaps they disagree with those recommendations'
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade the logic-nazi was insisting upon good-logic meta-procedures (and railing against bad-logic procedure), as different to bad-logic used in specific examples
T3/r7/2014-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade the logic-nazi was insisting upon good-logic meta-procedures (and railing against bad-logic erroneous assertions), as different to bad-logic used in specific examples
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, it appears that Chuck Schumer is behind the IRS attack on Tea Party groups, not the IRS or the Whitehouse themselves'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TeaParty occupy the same political space as (protest/anti-establishment) as UKIP do in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not surprising then that the media here, especially the BBC (the state owned broadcaster) were told to 'go after' UKIP'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone did a great study of the receding of housing stock in Detroit using Google/Bing streetmaps'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'serious loss of property there'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's probably one city we could improve with a tactical strike'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it looks like it's neatly folding in after itself'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's seriously fucked up there'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what happens when you deindustrialise, happened here in our midlands in the 1970s'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to globalisation, where politicians sell their population out to foreigns for trinkets and power'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as long as you've got cheap apple products to buy, it's all good, right?'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A Palestinian-American soccer fan in Houston was detained by security because the Palestinian flag he took to the soccer match was considered "a racial slur"'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, was a her :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody jews'
T3/r7/2014-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now taking bets on the las vegas shootings, your two explanations are: 1. Antidepressant medications, or 2. Federally steered plants'
T3/r7/2014-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, Indiana police apparently now have a policy of stripping all female arrestees so that they can perv over them for several hours at a time'
T3/r7/2014-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in slightly less welcome news, Rik Mayall died :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media and political left are now linking the las vegas shootings with white supremacists, so it's a pretty good sign that the FBI are involved'
T3/r7/2014-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news are we missing while all this fuss is being made over a couple of nuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is currently being buried?'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two words. Eric Canto. Haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cantor*'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'A math debate?  I'm in!'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyler: '.999999999 = 2'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'No.'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, if 1 = 2 :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Inconsistent system.'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyler: 'if 1 = 2, does 2 = 3?'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2014-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyler: 'rip maths'
T3/r7/2014-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Will ISIS invasion of Iraq see the spectable of the US and Iran fighting on the same side against the US/Turkey/Saudi Arabia?'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'really belongs here, but whatev's.'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Ontario Provincial election was yesterday, June 12'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the incumbent Liberals returned with a majority - at least the f***wits Progressive-Conservatives dropped from 37 seats to 27 seats - riddance to their 30% taxcuts to the rich (trickle down piss on the nonrich) platform. '
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canada has a problem with it's government passing all kinds of snooping laws'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'such as'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''libs' getting in won't help'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'predicting Federal Elections, eh'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/10/proposed-cyberbullying-law-would-let-police-remotely-hack-into-computers-mobile-devices-or-cars/'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ctvnews.ca/feds-eyeing-online-forums-to-correct-misinformation-1.515222'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you're welcome :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that means they be "correcting" the misinformation posted by Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't post information there, so no issues'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i welcome factual corrections, but opinions and ideology cannot be 'corrected''
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your feelings on Iraq, Zadeypoos?'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how does hacking into computers-mobile-devices-or-cars prevent cyberbullying -- unless the proposed law is to permit police do the cyberbullying'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no idea'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a rule, such laws are passed to make legal the illegal spying that they've been habitually doing all along'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'tiger I think they call that a workaround'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the police are permitted to hack into computers-mobile-devices-or-cars prevent cyberbullying, they may plant "evidence" that the hacked victim was cyberbullying'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the other thing they like to do is announce changes for purpose a) when really it's for purpose b)'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the police are permitted to hack into computers-mobile-devices-or-cars (under the pretense to investigate cyberbullying), the police may plant "evidence" that the hacked victim was cyberbullying'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already do that'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the authorities in the USA are already known to plant evidence on websites'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their favourite is to plant drugs in car searches'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they also plant child porn on hard drives for entrapping political dissidents'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are a lot of "automatic updates" these days on computers '
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the Federal elections, i voted for the Conservatives so they'd repeal (which they eventually did) the gun registration laws that the (corrupt) Liberals passed'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'police hacking into a Car and turning off the engine while the Car was turning left in heavy oncoming traffic, that be murder'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyler: 'link'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Lemon-Aid book reported of car engine turning off while doing left turn '
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a Loony Toons episode did a parody where "Cecil the turtle" working at the cable company, once a week, simply for the fun of causing mental pain and suffering, deliberately turned off the cable service of some random customer, (the Bugs Bunny household was the random target that week in that episode)'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps a "Cecil the Turtle disciple" works at OnStar'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"whose car engine to turn off .. hrm, he is signalling to do a left turn, slowing down, turning, off goes the engine, heheheheh" '
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dangers of computerised cars'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be heading back to a mechanical one next car'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'preassumes "mechanical" cars are yet available for purchase (old cars are self-destructing rust-buckets, unless expensively maintained "vintage classics")'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vintage classic it is, then'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be ok with anything pre 1995, really'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did Zade think of neocon nwo stooge Eric Cantor getting beaten by a teaparty upstart?'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'you suck all you smart people'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad i'm not a smart person, what with you throwing insults about'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'just had an intresting convo with someone about how the people are better off after our help'
T3/r7/2014-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'i think of it like punishment everyone gets it, it helps you slow down and think about life'
T3/r7/2014-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bored of the world cup yet?'
T3/r7/2014-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sarl: 'I was bored before it started.'
T3/r7/2014-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Arist: 'What clans were you in, Kojiro, I think we need some background on your experience.'
T3/r7/2014-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Ba'al :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hook and baal'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what exactly is with USA advertising across central and southern america that they will take any immigrant kids you send their way, along with army bases in the USA being stacked out with them?'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'their education is bound to be better than what the usa has. it's an investment in our infrastructure.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well like a soundbite i did hear, no matter that there are veterans dying on the streets, lets invite loads of immigrant kids and spend a fortune on them, indoctrinating them to vote democrat'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'partisan politics are stupid.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'I had no idea that kids were educated with the blood of vets. Good to know.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, but that's what you get with a 2, sorry, 1 party system'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'The VA problem is a USA problem. Not a democrat or republican problem. The unsexy topics, like public healthcare infrastructure, don't get talked about and don't get attention because no one's going to vote on it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the public healthcare infrastructure has been broken for decades, ever since big business got hold of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it won't be fixed by Obamacare'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'When you're a politician, you're number one goal is to get re-elected. Better to fire people up about guns or gay marriage than to talk about how new scheduling software needs to be developed.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'You're falling into the two-party trap. Obamacare and the VA are mutually exclusive. In fact, Obamacare likely helps vets by making it easier to get care elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just to get re-elected, it's to either get re-elected, or pass the agenda you're being paid by your corporate sponsors'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obamacare doesn't make it easier to get treated for anyone'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'I work in healthcare and I can say with absolute certainty that is not true. There are problems with it, but that's not one of them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's good that you work in healthcare therefore it must be you to blame. Obamacare does not provide any more care, nor does it make that care cheaper'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, the only measurable effect from Obamacare will be higher profit margins for certain participating insurance companies, certain participating multinational healthcare corporations and drug vendors, and extra employment for the legions of beurocrats needed to fuck it all up completely'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of people who will experience cheaper care will be outweighed by the majority who have had premiums increase, or who have had hours cut as a result'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those supporters of Obamacare who think a single payer model is great, should try getting healthcare in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'You're parroting republican talking points designed to mislead and outrage people.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've met two people whoes costs have gone down'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not one of the, by the way'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can do better than that, Raded, I live in a country with single-payer national healthcare'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'my costs went down'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, now I've met three'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'had to join affordable this year when i started my own business'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'I've worked with hundreds whose costs have gone down. Or gone from no insurance to insurance.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'and it's good coverage'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the americans i know have had their insurance go down'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my point isn't that they don't go down, but I know a lot of people who's costs have gone up, as well'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'i'm one.'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that statistically it isn't possible for everyone's to go down'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Margorp: 'people will always complain'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yup, to both points'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Margorp: 'complain'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Margorp: 'people will always bitch'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sticking your military through pointless wars then refuse to take care of them when they get home (after you'd promised to as part of a covenant) is something to complain about'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Margorp: 'I agree it's horrible but congridss doesn't give a damn'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course not :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tony Blair is getting an annhilating in the UK press again of late. Couldn't wish it on a nicer bloke'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'free publicity - write some memoirs - cash in big'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he already had millions thanks to a cozy relationship with Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is pretty well hated in the UK now, and this latest intervention has only hardened opinion against him'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's Nixon'd himself'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Nixon was a good guy -- except for the China visits '
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Blair is G.W.'s doppelganger or vice versa :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, Blair is a bit better of a PR guy than GW was, just not a proper Labour person'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was essentially a corporate shoe-in'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the opening up of trade with China was a bad mistake'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism was a big mistake, though you could argue that with technology it was inevitable'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hindsight is often 20-20, question is what now'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free trade isn't ultimately good for everyone involved'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you really must implement pollution-based taxation, then implementing it in the form of intercountry trade tariffs would be the way to go'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so tax imports from polluting countries at a higher rate'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the theory. in practice frought with problems'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, USA would be up in arms - a UK christian school was teaching creationism in science alongside evolution'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meat is bad for you and bad for the earth, they'll ban it'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are ridiculous in their confabulations (tertiary syphilus perhaps) discredit themselves'
T3/r7/2014-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tuskegee practice may explain why treatment was withheld from somebody that claims to be colored'
T3/r7/2014-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody GCHQ'
T3/r7/2014-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GCHQ were taking the piss when they said they were allowed to spy on UK citizens using facebook, twitter and google on the grounds that they are foreign companies'
T3/r7/2014-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when did that make any difference?'
T3/r7/2014-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's health service faces a funding gap of $12bn next year'
T3/r7/2014-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/06/18/student-accuses-high-school-of-blocking-conservative-websites/'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tonight i'm celebrating England's loss to Uruguay by 2 goals to 1'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's with all these illegal immigrants being brought over the border?'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it US has imposed sanctions on Uganda for laws that prohibit men sticking their tackle inside other men, yet puts people in prison in it's own country for smoking pot?'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit fucking hypocritical'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dorky Xantcha: '"No country shall enact any law prohibiting what one may place in one's buttock, but laws may be written to dictate what may be placed in one's mouth"'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put that way, yep, still hypocritical :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Old Testament decrees otherwise'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the USA doesn't follow the old testament'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it would do well as a foreign policy to mind it's own business'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Russia prohibits homosexuality'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for them'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what is Uganda doing that is different'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dorky Xantcha: 'yeah, the US' policy on "mind our own business" worked out really well for Poland and the rest of Europe in the 30s'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have done fine had you abided by it and not bankrolled the nazi's'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'prescribing some extremely harsh penalties for it -- originally death penalty, now life in prison'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain used to do something similar .. the USA and Britain are buddies,  white boys club .. Winston Churchill boasted of walking around the WhiteHouse naked'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was illegal in the UK, it was only socially acceptable for the gentry to rape young schoolboys instead'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't follow, there are plenty of black folks in prison for life in the US for relatively minor drugs offences'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade doubts that Tigernuts cares (since Tigernuts was cheering for the hispanic jew that murdered the amer-african college student)
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who you're talking about, which pours significant doubt on your statement'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Forcing a person to be celibate is not the same as forcing them to refrain from drug use. Not even close.'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is forcing celibacy?'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Uganda.'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not, they're criminalising homosexuality, which is not the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'oh, even worse then!'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's much the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a restriction placed on your freedoms'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'all restrictions on freedom are the same?'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on your personal ideology'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Izocinoc goes, "OK".
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA criminalizes pedophilia and childmolestation'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they cannot be equated, then yes, they're equally important'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA criminalizes male-adult sex with underage females  (statutory rape)'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a consequence of a legal system that decides a child cannot give consent, Zade, it's not quite the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is "oil buddies" with Saudi Arabia -- and those some of those rich shieks like their females young'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole supporting Saudi Arabia is another deeply hypocritical aspect of US foreign policy, given it was Saudi Arabia that have continued to fund and support Al Quaeda after helping the CIA set it up, and it was Saudi Arabia that fanned the flames in Libya, Syria, and Saudi Arabia that have bankrolled Isis'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find me in agreement with you there, Zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the sanctions off Iran, put them on Saudi Arabia, they're the baddies'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't trust any country that uses a holy text as their constitution'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't trust any 'country' as a 'country' isn't a person'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to double check, but I think the U.S. only gets like 10% of their oil from S.A.'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA props up S.A'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nato generally have kept S.A militarally secure'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, but people say it's because we need their oil, but if memory serves, that's really not true'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, you're right'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just a handy crutch to shut people up and fool idiot neocons'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have to admit, though, I've never understood the support for S.A.'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it seems to me that even if you work under the guise of trying to stabilize that region, there's better countries, etc. to work with'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the problems in the region come from outside interference, right from the early days with the fall of the ottoman empire'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stability of the region is best sorted out by the players, but kicking the Jews out of the holy land and allowing the various strands of Islam scrap it out between them is probably the best way'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'too many people lay claim (rightly so, or not) to that region for that ever to happen'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they all happily shared it until 1945'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame where it's due, it was the Jew's fault'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'slightly off topic, but it makes me sad when I see pictures of that area in the 20's and 30's, sometimes even up into the 50's'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, my a.d.d. kicks in a lot, and one thing makes me think o another :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you see pictures of that area not even 100 years ago, and it was clearly on the cusp of being a developed nation/region'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now...'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what'll happen next...'
T3/r7/2014-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nothing good, most likely'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm enjoying the lois lerner equivalent of "shredding and burning the incriminating documents"'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can't even beleive that peopel would go out and claim that they've lost emails and be able to hold a straight face the whole time'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, using that as an excuse, you're not even trying at that point'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think it's time congress dismantled the IRS and banned all the management implicated from ever holding federal jobs again?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I would say yes, but if I do, I'll probably get audited'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i won't :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the iRS!'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'You're now on three 'no fly lists''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell you what, this is one benefit of the UK with it's tax-at-source - they don't have an opportunity to target 'people''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'honestly, I really don't know what to say.  It's a mess, and it's not going to get better'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd become a hermit if I could'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you can't live on public land'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i always say we're all indentured servants'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is why people need to understand that governments have a vested interest in making their electorate dependent on them'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unless you refuse to work, and have a load of kids'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you refuse to work and have a load of kids, you're still a slave'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but you get paid to be one'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'black slaves got paid to be a slave'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't really know what to say, sometimes I quit reading the news because it makes my eyes roll so hard I get migraines'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think I heard that there were something like 6k e-mails lost.  I mean, I could understand not finding a few e-mails (well, not really, but still)'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like, do they think people are going to hear that they lost every pertinent e-mail and basically say,' ohh.. that seems legit!''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, they probably do think that'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on a completely unrelated note, did you know that Oklahoma means 'red people' in Choctaw'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if Oklahoma will have to change its name'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'why'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, if the redskins have to change their name, it seems that red skin, even in another language would be just as offensive'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'i dont get why the redskins have to change their name'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, technically they don't'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because historically it's a derogatory term'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, and the patent office just threw out their ownership of the name'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'its stupid the redskins are a private business the government shoulnt be interfering '
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which intolerant bigots are saying that "redskins" is an offensive name'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't really have a problem with making them change their name, i just find it hypocritical that we find offense in some instances, and not in others'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, supposedly it's the native americans that find it offense (and i believe they do), but I'm not sure that they're the driving force behind the movement'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'who cares if they find it offensive if they dont like the name they should just ignore it'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, in this day and age , that doesn't seem to work'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'everyone seems to get offended about everything, and then they sue'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the redskins are decen in sports series, then the bigots don't want the name redskins to be associated with anything decent'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it's scary that the patent office can simply say, 'your patent is offense, so now you can't have it''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an intolerant bigot in the "patent" office said that '
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sarl: 'http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/anYPLRB_700b.jpg'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's kind of funny'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"trademark" office or "patent" office'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I believe the actual title is 'U.S. Patent and Trademark Office''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, I think it was the trademark that they invalidated, I said patent'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it was the trademark registration that they invalidated'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I misspoke'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on the bright side, I believe that means that you and I can start making and selling Redskin merchandise without approval'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with PR spin to redeem the name "Redskins", then sue (those in) the Trademark office for bigotry snd insulting the red indians'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the word "gay" should be banned from polite use and banned from used names, since "gay" is used as an insult these days'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'what about faggot?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'is that ok?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'already a cussword'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'really?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'centuries'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to drop out of the 'debate', but I'm going afk for a fair bit of time'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"throw another faggot on the fire" when they used to burn faggots'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some hotdogs named redskins'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the Trademark Office banning "Redskibs" is based on religious principles -- and is violating the constitution on separation of Church and State'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well that the US government is a bunch of crooks, you don't expect them to follow the law, do you? that's for the little people'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I sometimes wonder if you really believe your own propaganda'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'remove those crooks from office and severely chastise them'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'remove those intolerant bigots from the Trademark office'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vost, people go into government for various reasons, included within these reasons is to abuse the position'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't a matter of debate, it's a matter of fact, if it wasn't true there would be no lobbyists, no revolving doors'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe all politicians are altruistic and never do things for financial gain of themselves, their paymasters, then you're a bigger fool that you sound'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't believe that, of course, I have the advantage of living in Illinois'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK cabinet it's property and banking'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my state gave you Obama, by the way'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you're welcome'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'obama is stupid'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we gave the world Tony Blair'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'who ate those people'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers Morgan isn't British, he's Martian'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no, we gave Blair to GW Bush'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Explosivemud: 'who are'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wasn't blair out the other day saying that he had no responsibility in Iraq, or something like that?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I could swear I read something along those lines'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's always pushing some kind of bollocks, Razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Blair only did what he was told'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, unfortunately, I only know what little I read here'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Blair was also the architect of UK's financial downfall in 2008'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'your only source of political information is the Tigernuts channel?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as penning some truly awful liberty-crushing laws'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, no, sorry'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that was kind of funny'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just mean whatever comes through the American media'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though now we have Aljazeera, who I think does a better job than people give them credit for'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, less biased than MSNBC'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Obama is less biased than MSNBC'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but yeah, a lot of the news is either MSNBC or FOX'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will always get bias in news'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe that the news channel YOU watch is unbiased, you're probably Vost'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but some networks don't even try and temper their bias'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles at Tigernuts's joke.
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want to know about Blair, anyway? He took the British Labour party (left wing workers party of unions etc..) and took it to the centre'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'throwing away pretty much any ideology or principle with it'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know what it's like in th U.K., but at least here, it seems like both our parties have gone a little too far to the extremes, and maybe would benefit from being pulled back towards the center a bit'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from burning tax payers money faster than an out of control oil well fire, he also ruined the further education system and opened up the country to unlimited immigration'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both your parties are centrist, razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you think so?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, you couldn't get a fag paper between democrats and republicans on 90% of topics'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think they try and play to a centrist theme, but it just seems that their actions speak otherwise'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that 90% is all the stuff they're completely wrong on'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if only you had become a politician, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the world's economy would be perfect'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'd become a politician, i'd probably be in prison, or shot'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'only if you came from Illinois'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'have I mentioned I hate my state'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd not be a good politician because they wouldn't like me calling other politicians wankers'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, according to the polls here, I'm in the majority when it comes to that'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move, razkin?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've been trying to get my wife to consider it, but she doesn't want to'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she likes her job, which I can understand'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unfortunately, we keep moving closer and closer to chicago'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'euw'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move to Montana'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, they're one of the few states with a growing economy.  Last time I read about it, they struggle filling all of their jobs'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not a bad place to move, imo'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not too many people and nice countryside'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've read about some companies in Montana that actually provide fairly nice moving bonuses to people from out of state'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if I were single and just out of college, I'd seriously consider it'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's much worse places to live than Montana'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not many states nicer, i'd imagine'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Welcome to Illinois: Where our governors make our license plates. '
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't they also run guns and the black market for drugs?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, I think our most recent governor is serving time in Denver'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british politicians are a bit more careful'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and everyone says that the last 3 out of four governors are in jail, but I'm fairly certain only 2 are currently incarcerated '
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, Illinois politicians are too blatant about their transgressions'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'personally, I think our state motto should be 'Illinois, Land of Nepotism''
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will the USA get involved in first, Iraq, or Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Iraq'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'someone posted on my facebook that he was going back to iraq after being retired for 2 yrs'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'personally, I think our government will sit there and wag their finger at the Ukraine situation, but I don't think we'll do anything meaningful'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'that they are sending 200k more men over there'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Invite Tiana: 'like now'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to Iraq, Tiana? they're keeping that quiet'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did amuse me that "intelligence" saw 3 retired obsolete tanks move into ukraine from russia, yet missed a 5 mile column of arms and fighters move from syria to iraq'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were Obama, i'd stay well away from both'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe sell Iraq some weapons, after all, only fair that you arm both sides'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are you just trolling ?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was sarcasm and dark humour, but not trolling'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trolling would imply i was deliberately saying something inherently dishonest or inaccurate to create a reaction'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'or to just get attention'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i stand by what i said as being the truth'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless of course ISIS are toting forged russian US stinger SAM missiles, forged russian humvees, maybe it's all a Iranian plot to destabilise Murica, right?'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I thought Iran wanted to fight Isis'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't think it wants to fight, but will if it needs to. Iraq's prime minister believes Iran has ulterior motives, however'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does look like it might become a proxy war between saudi arabia and iran'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with Iraq being carved up into 3. I can't blame Maliki for being a bit pissy with the US and Iran about it'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(belated observation) as a debater, Tigernuts distorts the "fiction" (trolls dubious facts) and is crook, so as a politician, also crook'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to get elected as a politician these days, usually requires a lot of cash support'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to do a bit better than that, Zade old boy - if you're going to accuse people of lying, then you need to at the very least point out what they were lying about'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but do carry on'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tony Blair and the other politicians were apparently able to subvert the Labor party (according to Tigernuts)'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps those with rich deep pockets were able to pay for politicians to pretend to be "Labour", and they took over the "Labour" party '
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was desperation because thanks to the unions, labour were unelectable through the 1980s and early 90s'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want a bit of background on it, look up the miners strikes of the 1980s and the IMF bailout and winter of discontent in the 70s'
T3/r7/2014-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the party wasn't subverted so much as debased, throwing away their principles for a shot at being elected. A bit like the republican party'
T3/r7/2014-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '4 justices of the US Supreme Court recently held the opinion that it's okay to buy a gun illegally (ie, not revealing that you're buying it on behalf of someone else).'
T3/r7/2014-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the other 5'
T3/r7/2014-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's arguable whether buying a gun  on behalf of someone else constitutes a crime at all, hence those 4'
T3/r7/2014-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand they are only going via the regulation of purchasing because that's what's within their remit'
T3/r7/2014-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a more sensible idea would have been to have a system of licensing'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are so many people in congress wasting their breath demanding impeachment?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'i vote jail time :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'it says right in there somewhere that u have to be born of american soil to become president.. and where was he born again?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Hawaii.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'no he wasn't :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I delivered him personally.  Yes, he was.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'thats just what he told everyone'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'LOL sure u did'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying you don't believe in angels?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'not in the way most do :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'if his mother was American, it wouldn't matter where he was born.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deyanira: 'u r correct but she wasn't now was she.. and neither was his dad :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK prime minister was born in a test tube, i fear'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after the week's news, the weekend has been a bit of a letdown'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i guess there's yet another "we need a tax on sugar to curb obesity" story, the BBC runs about one a week'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'why not a curb weight on people, tax the people who have a poor bni'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'bmi'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Soylent green!'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because neither sugar nor being fat is grounds for taxation'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'What if you have free healthcare?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'why is being fat any different then any other vice?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'excellent, tax the obese'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sturma: 'Anything is grounds for taxation when you just want to generate revenue.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Well, there's a huge alcohol & nicotine tax.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'adding the tax to the price of the item is farm more apt to change behaviour then adding the tax at the register.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tax the obvious trolls in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'so you need to tax the raw sugar to up the price of a can of coke, not tax the coke.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I think it depends whether your goal is to raise $ or to change behaviour'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you leave the sugar and coke alone, and instead teach nutrition in school'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cleff: 'can of coke already has no sugar for exactly that reason. it has high-fructose syrop instead'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'because teaching things in school works soooooo well now.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'want people to change, make them grow their own food.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, they seem far more interested in teach kids about gay sex than teaching them how to eat healthily, i guess that's what happens when the left get hold of education'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'glass-bottled original Coca-Cola (circa 1975) is healthy and good'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and organic tobacco won't cause cancer'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lies, Ontuct'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk posted new figures that show a 300% rise in Crohns Disease in the under 25s in the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "Logan's Run" euthanise the old crones'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen the quality of kids these days, i'd save the crones and kill the kids'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the old crones are a symptom of aging '
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the causes of Crohn's disease aren't really understood'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are heavily implied, however'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they use to be, but current research seems to be going against that trend'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'they have tried numerous times to tie it to Johne's disease but can't bind it to it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'more like, stress and diet seems to aggrivate it, but not cause it'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/crohns-disease/basics/causes/con-20032061'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the has been an epidemic in the number of people developing intolerances to different foods, a lot of it has to do with an over-clean lifestyle, and adulterated food'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but that's fairly speculative'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a speculation I tend to agree with, but still speculative'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Crohn disease is suspected to be allergic irritations from food, and a lack of vitamin C and E'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not that speculative, chrohns disease is an immune system disease, as are things like food intolerances and hay fever'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, which is why they've moved away from it being caused by diet, and more aggrivated by such'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'circa 1970, those in Britain required a prescription to get vitamin C '
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are reliance on a certain type of wheat is causing major problems, even worse when chemical companies start tweaking it'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, with the immune response, that's one possible explanation, but I don't believe there's any conclusive evidence that that's the reason'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though it may be one contributing factor'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wansn't implying a cause, only what it effects'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, then I'd agree with that, but even still, it may not be ubiquitous across all peopel with the disease'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'affects dammit'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, going back to the original comments, taxing people for being fat is silly, and taxing the products/etc. has a poor history of changing behavior'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has never been required to have a prescription for vitamin C in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, razkin, and in addition, they should fuck off micromanaging people's lives'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Crohn disease is an indication that the British are genetic defectives (or British food and diet and the environment is grossly defective) '
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I might be overly optomistic, but I do believe people will act like adults if you give them the opportunity'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but there's too many people out there that want people to act all the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the genetic connection to Crohn's is tenuous at best'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'while your chances of having it are very slightly more likely if others in your family have it, mmost people who develop it don't have a family history of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I get concerned that it's a condition more along the lines of Cyliacs or Autism, where the diagnosis is somewhat subjective to the doctor, and actually comprises a larger group of conditions that simply get dumped into one category'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like 'depression''
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife works with children severly impacted by autism, as I've learned more and more, I've become rather vocal about the subject :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, certain aspects of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's gorgeous out, so I'm going to go out on the motorcycle, later'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I should go out on the bicycle, but that's decidely less fun'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Easy Rider" was a bad movie because of the ridiculous ending'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peter fonda was "born to be a moron" (to the tune of "born to be wild")'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan on motorbikes, then?'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "Easy Rider" was obviously a plot to discourage motorbike riding'
T3/r7/2014-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obviously'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a slightly morbid article: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/18541-dictators-worldwide-demand-aid-empowered-un-global-socialism'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://everythingisracism.com/'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it looks like the EU renegotiations are dead. UK are almost certain to pull out of the EU in 2017'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'I'd prefer it if they didn't.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm somewhat removed from the situation, but it seems to me that the whole EU thing has been very slowly dissolving'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but again, I only pay attention to that in a passing sort of way'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'I'm pro-EU. Well, pro the idea of a EU atleast, the actual implementation needs some work.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's not dissolving, if anything the federalists are further turning the screw'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And the UK leaving will deal a heavy blow to it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest argument has been over the appointment of the new EU head'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, again, I dont' pay huge attention to it, but it just seems that there's always a lot of grumbling'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good, ceriq, it's a horrid idea and is best disposed of'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'I think it's a great idea that's terrible in it's implementation. Kind of like communism and child labor.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Little shits have no sense of quality control.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Nike disagrees'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is a little like them attaching a vacuum cleaner to to your wallet while moving criminals into your house without permission'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'I'd say maybe accepting romania was one of the worse things they did..'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and poland'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The countries in the EU need to be equal BEFORE you open the borders between them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it failed economically, ceriq'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Or you'll get a huge migration of people seeking their luck in other places. Kind of like what happened.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't address the democratic deficit'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is a jolly good reason not to be part of the EU, all the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what features of the EU appeals to CeriQ?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Free trade.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The idea of a Euro.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both those things are outmoded in the global age'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither require a political union'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free trade", where the middle class of the richer countries become as poor as the middle to lower class of the poorer countries '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free trade is a stupid concept'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you actually want is free-ish trade'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'non-free trade is just a tax for not made here, in an attempt to make locally produced but inferior produce be more cost effective.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or it could be a tax on externalities'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a tax designed as an interim measure to buffer the gap between disparate nations'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free trade" is moving jobs elsewhere so that middle-class citizens become poorer '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not it's purpose, though it is an effect'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's purpose is to allow multinational corporations to exploit cheap resources in other countries'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what about fair trade'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Well that could be said about most any thing.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because 'fair trade' can mean anything'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't buy stuff because it's fair trade, or seek out the label if that's what you mean'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being knowledgeable about a supply chain and wanting to support quality local products is important to me, however, which is like a patriotic version of fair trade'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are many cases in which trade might not be considered "free" or "fair" and each case has pros and cons for the world economy'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed, however, trades that skip large corporations i tend to prefer'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as should anyone if they actually want local jobs'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Agreed Tigernuts. I like buying locally instead of finding the absolutely cheapest alternative on the internet.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'It might save me 10 bucks in the short term, but it'll kill my local shops if I keep doing it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately not always possible these days'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but you are a small economy'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'internet is fine '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is not a small economy'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I personally try to only buy US grown food'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that doesn't guarantee you quality'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the lowest food quality standards in the developed world'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but for certain products that are not even made in the US i dont see anything wrong with finding the best price'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well since you make almost nothing in the US, that's just about everything'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'that's debateable tigernuts. have you ever eaten a hot dog in france?? :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said developed world. We don't consider France to be part of the developed world'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tiger certainly entitled to his opinion '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but US does remain one of the largest food producers in the world'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it, it's just a shame your federal government keeps siding with some pretty dodgy chemical companies and legislates against your little farmers'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure that the idea that the U.S. makes anything is true, seems to me that last time I checked we were still had one of the largest manufacturing industries in the world'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'doesn't make anything, that is'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'US makes alot too :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make, then?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what don't we make?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'lots of industrial equipment'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well i happen to have USA made dress shoes'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't make Levi's in the US anymore'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's ok, I don't wear levi's :D'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'electrial equipment, oil, vehicles'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tomatoes are horrid these days, red on the outside, underipe-raw-white on the inside, attempt to sit them until they go ripe, and the red outside develops a green mold, and even then partly underripe on the inside, and not that sweet either'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'supermarket tomaoes are no longer sweet but tart'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/23/june-manufacturing-pmi-grows-faster-expected'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm i still think some levis are made in the USA'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.nam.org/Statistics-And-Data/Facts-About-Manufacturing/Landing.aspx'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2013 spent $440bn more on imports than they sold in exports'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk is no better, $90bn'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, and that definitely affects the economy, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a large manufacturing industry in the u.s.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller than it used to be by an order of magnitude'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK was the same, hence the Industrial Revolution and all that'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something else we invented :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'the dollar weakening helped'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I'm just saying that people always act like the U.S. doesn't make anything, or that the manufacturing industy has disappeared, and that's just not true'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'plus growth in other countries'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the bulk of consumer items though, you don't make them :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all in opposition to the concepts of living a low-pollution lifestyle that the UN and green sandal wearing trendies keep going on about'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think that if you want the world to go green, a certain degree of isolationism is required'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, ecologically friendly living is not compatible with globalised corporatism'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'which is why the right pushes against any EPA influence, carbon taxes, and other like measures here'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the right" always will, as will "the left" when it comes down to it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, EPA, carbon taxes and other measures have nothing to do with the environment'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'don't disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, the idea behind carbon taxes is that it would force people to clean power, I don't think things like that have a good track record, but still'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'any more than taxing cigarettes will make people stop smoking, etc'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a blunt and authoritarian instrument'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to achieve a stupid end'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want green energy, invest in it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok what did i miss durring doub'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'channel has history'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't explain your "cute" opinion (EPA nada to do with the environment), you seem nonsensical (perhaps "1984" style), since EPA is "Environmental Protection Agency"'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'EPA -- "Emissions Protection Agency"'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the primary purpose of their regulations are to screw over the little people in favour of corporations'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any secondary benefit to the environment as a result of said regulations is just a happy coincidence'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the proper amount of taxes on polluting nicotine products does reduce consumption and pollution'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'yeah, compare smokers in Kentucky with smokers in NY.. huge difference'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no data, so not comparing'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure why the US would be taxing cigarrettes when it doesn't pay for smokers healthcare'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least in the UK they can argue the tax money goes to pay the health bills (even though it overpays the direct/indirect costs twice over)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'theres something tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'second-hand pollution is annoying'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'all those cig taxes should be because of health externalities'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'same thing about taxes on booze'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with arbitrary taxation of things for social policy reasons, but a proportionate tax on drugs to pay for their externalities seems OK'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is nothing wrong with some taxes'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the smell of some drunkard boozing upwind is also annoying'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's plenty wrong with many taxes, though'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxes for a start'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death duties, stamp duty, employment tax'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what about them'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all bad taxes, especially the employment tax and property tax '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that is your opinion'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the puropse of taxes on nicotine-consumption is to reduce consumption (the proportionality to healthcosts is irrelevant when fortuitously greater than the the healthcosts)  side-stream nicotine pollution is annoying'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(purpose)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i like cooking with garlic -- but what if you were downwind'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, had to go afk, but rom what I've read, the effects of taxation on nicotine seems to have an affect on youths, but marginal impact on adults'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'cooking garlic smells great, people that smell like garlic, not so much'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public awareness and teaching have caused smoking rates to drop'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of thing takes 2 generations though'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so at best, it may act as somewhat of a disincentive to start, but that'd be about it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and yeah, I'd put more weight on education than on taxation'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax is because they can get away with it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have to think back, and through a bit of afkness, but I think the original point was that taxes are dicey at best when it comes to altering behavior'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and even more so when  it comes to predicting how the behavior will change'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'employment tax seems particularly dumb if you're trying to get your unemployment rate down'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but if smoking is correlated with an increased demand for healthcare if all else remains the same price of health care will go up for every one. '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher prices do alter behaviour - i no longer go to movies'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not saying that it doesn't later behavior at all, but it doesn't work across the board, and some people are willing to accept a higher financial burden than others'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'is an addiction like smoking as discretionary as a trip to the movies?  Plus the viable alternatives to the movies.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social engineering using tax is a big no-no, from an ideological point of view'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is why it probably is very effective with teenagers, and early twenties, and much less so with adults with full time employement'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well impose slavery'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, once you give a government the ability to tax, they're not going to give it back'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody is rich (or in a job not yet farmed out overseas), "extra financial burden" is piffle'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, Iraq lost the ability to tax 1/3 their country'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Even if it was 100% effective, I'd be concerned with giving the government new ways to tax '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so did Syria'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but when the middle class becomes poorer, "extra financial burden" is going to affect decisions'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but predicting how is dicey'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'personally, I think people are much more likely to give up travel and going out then they are to give up addictions'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the addictions are killing, every disincentive may be of assistance to reduce the addictions'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, apparently the elderly and hispanics have also noticebly lowered their nicotine usage as taxes have gone up'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes it the job of government to intercede in addiction cases unless asked?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the addiction of overeating'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '15% for both since 2008'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'Zade's point on it being a public health risk and increased health costs'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats only an issue if the state pays the health bills'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if it's somehow a spreading disease'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is on the topic of reducing public annoyances
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hah'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot reduce public annoyances without getting rid of the public, Zade, surely you've realised this by now'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'just to be clear, I don't smoke, and I personally do think it's disgusting.'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'what about the Zombie virus'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and I do not smoke, but i support people's rights to'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, then you have to put the power to choose what's an annoyance and what isn't into the hands of someone else'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is usually the government'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure I want the government decided what annoys people and what doesn't'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human history shows that the human race likes to reduce public annoyances '
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if governments didn't force people to be lived crammed in together then Zade wouldn't be upset by people smoking nearby'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there is no Zombie virus'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so either reduce the public annoyances "peacefully" or else!'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'peace or die!!'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's no zombie virus, but there's plenty of people that study how a zombie virus would work, since it's really just a epidemic/pandemic'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I for one would like to welcome our new, ebola overlord, btw'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno why they're claiming Ebola is an epidemic when it's barely killed 400 people'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, the concerning thing is the mortality rate and infection rate, they don't really consider the actual deaths'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's Ebola, it isn't that bad'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I want to say the mortality rate is something like 80% if you catch it, and the infection rate is also incredibly high'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krionis: 'isn't that normal for ebola?'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'something like 4 people infected for each person who contracts it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure on that, but I do know that it's historically been incredibly high'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'typically it burns itself out, I think one of the major concerns with the current one is that it's in more inhabited areas'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty easily contained'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'once you know it's there'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know it's there :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's got a long gestation period, though'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'something like 20 days, and you're infectious during it'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Tigernuts is disappointed that the "ebola epidemic" was contained'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'zade, sometimes you really make me laugh'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was calling out media mislabelling, Zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think it's even really Ebola, itself, that people fear, it's the idea of these types of diseases that just seem to pop up , have high mortality and infection rates'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'with the idea being that it's only a matter of time before it hits an urban area and explodes'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't do a lot in the west'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but in the urban UK ..'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'probably not, but that's where you call in the global warming advocates'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the idea being that tropical disease will move towards the poles with global warming'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well dump it in London and let's see what happens'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which brings us back to carbon taxations!!  Booyah!!!  I managed to pull that full circle'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'by the lack of response, I'll take that as an idication that i've won Debate Channel'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is good, because the wife just brought food home, I was afeared I'd have to cook'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that wasn't a full circle, but i was noting on the news atm is Polish politicians being totally pwned by "criminals" that leaked audio recordings of them dissing the british'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the dissing accurate though'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, albeit snake-like because he wouldn't say it to the PM's face'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at this point, I have to remind you that I'm from Illinois, I know all about politicians getting caught saying things they shoudln't'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'along with selling things they shouldn't'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like senate seats, and driver's licenses'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smart, the politicians secretly leaked the recordings and blamed some "criminals"'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm sure there's a pot and kettle joke in there somewhere'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost reminiscent of an episode in the the bbc sitcom "Yes Minister"'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27973473'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same polish minister also called agreements with the uSA worthless and said that poland gave the usa a blowjob'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I'm reading it right now'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Poliand admits to giving out a BJ to the USA  -- but which party was doing what'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'personally, I think this is what's going to come back and haunt him 'The problem in Poland is that we have shallow pride and low self-esteem''
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cameron should have said "fine, we'll leave the EU and you can take all your fucking plumbers home'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'out of context or not, when an elected politician starts showing utter contempt for his own people, that never plays out well'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, unless you're Obama'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well rules don't apply to Obama because he black'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and as we know, http://everythingisracism.com/'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is indeed'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's ok, though, I'm racist too.  For instance, I want to end racism, but since I'm white, that makes me racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack's mother was from ..'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want an end to discrimination, Razkin, and that makes you racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's just let the democrats get back to their own roots and be the party of the KKK'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that say they are "not racist" are "extremely racist"  (deceived, deluded, perhaps brazenly liaring)'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're racist, zade'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, and so is "God"'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now give all your worldly posessions to an illegal Mexican immigrant and shoot yourself through the head'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rev 21:8'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come back to us once you've solved the financial and social ills of the world'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most religions abhor muder, as long as it's murder against others of that same religion'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, can't spell today, but still'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "law of nature" includes symbiotic racism'
T3/r7/2014-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although when there is an epidemic or pestilence or famine or seemingly not-so-symbiotic racism -- perhaps the cruel mother, Kali, is adjusting things'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'for his walking around without guards?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finally, a federal judge rules the US no-fly list violates constitution. Unfortunately due to the unique way the US government currently ignores it's own laws, they won't do anything about it'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Theresa May, the UK home secretary, rolled out a bunch of well practiced lies, claiming there was no surveillance state in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no programe of mass surveillance and no surveillance state, which puts her at direct odds with statements by Charles Farr, director general of the office for security and counter terrorism, and at odds with leaked documents from Snowden and others'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you say something enough, people start to believe it'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody will believe it because they know she's a liar'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worryingly she's also most likely to succeed David Cameron as leader of the COnservative party'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do you really think nobody will believe it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like having a lying bitch running your primary political party, like Hilary Clinto....'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I hate to be cynical, but humans have a pretty short term memory'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some believe it, but they're mostly very stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then the key is, are there enough stupid people to keep her in office?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for now the direction of travel is towards truth on that score, hence they -had- be going down the route of "yeah, we're spying on you, but ISIS is dangerous so we need to"'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course there is'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it always seems to me, that in cases like this, it unfortuntely depends on how the media handle the situation'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if they keep it in the public eye, then people won't buy the lies'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK, our media is essentially state run, so they'll shove spying down our throats and say it's racist to not want to be spied on'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if the media gives her a pass (like they do with the Clintons), then the'll forget about it'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do give her a pass'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, then my guess is it'll blow over'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is sad'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then bring on massive asteroid collision or other huge natural disaster'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know that we'll be that lucky'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive nuclear disaster/attack?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'since everyone keeps going on about the Cold War returning'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's returning, it's like the west dragged a large fridge over to Ukraine, opened the door to face Russia and shouted "Hey, Putin, you're a faggot!"'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Tiger, I have a headache, making me laugh is making it worse'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've had a headache for a fortnight thanks to untreated tooth decay'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the unique way that the single payer national health service runs here in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Ugh, I'm lucky and don't have to deal with that, but my wife has to get a tooth pull in a week'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's been in pain for months, so I feel for ya'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you have to wait to get it fixed?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or they simply won't treat it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a long wait'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then charged for it on top of that'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, I'm sorry'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'tooth pain is up there with back pain'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i get a lot of both'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, mostly untreated thanks to the wonderful single payer state-run national health service we have here'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'how long is the wait to get in?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get into what?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, to get into a dentist, or oral surgeon'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got an urgent appointment, 6 weeks'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that kind of goes against the definition of 'urgent''
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that -is- urgent for national healthcare. Some of the diagnostic tests in hospitals there are 18-52 week waits for'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some stuff, like chronic back problems, you just don't get treated'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll prefer to stick you on anti-depressants instead of getting to the source of the problem (oh, and they'll charge you for those too)'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's a national health service, you see, it's free at the point of requirement'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'isn't one of the fundemental ideas behind a universal health care the idea that preventative medicine will be more available?  And thus, drive down cost and potentially wait times?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the tortured mind of an over idealistic socialist'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is quite a bit different'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it usually is'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reality is that if you have a serious accident and need surgery, or have one of a handful of "tickbox" monitored conditions, then it's great. For chronic illness and day-to-day stuff it sucks'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we'll be finding out here, fairly soon, what our premiums will be in 2015'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and costs 1/3 of the entire government budget'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we being most people'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'On the same vein, it seems like universal health care represses the use of more experimental treatments'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will tend to because of the cost'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which might not sound that bad, but for someone who's exhausted on the tried and true treatments, it can be important'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare here is metered on cost, even though they claim it isn't'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so expenisve = long wait?'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expensive = no treatment, for the most part'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to get depressing, but what about things like cancer, etc?  That can be expensive, and treatable'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death sentence, as a rule. They'll fast line you chemotherapy and all the other poisonous treatments that don't work, but all the natty new treatments, problably won't get em'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have reasonably good palliative care'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly because it's heavily backed by charities and philanphropy'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wouldn't say that chemo doesn't work (I know someone who's life it just saved), but it's incredibly rough on the body, and not everyone can go through it'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I also know a couple peopel who went through it, were ravaged, and it didn't send the cancer into remission'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very blunt tool, not very effective, and there are better reatments out there'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's always seem to me to be a desperation treatment.  They guy that i know that just went through it was in stage 3'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when he found out, that is'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so there was a sense of urgency in treating it, but it seems to have gone into complete remission'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but of course, this kind of brings us back to preventitive care'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no preventative care for cancer'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, screening'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd kind of call that preventative, though I suppose maybe that's not the best term'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is some pretence at doing some screening of older people here, but it's pretty piss poor and not likely to do a lot'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, there's some screenings that could be potentially life saving, but I have read lately that many of the screenings simply lead to un-needed procedures'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I suppose there isn't really a good answer to that'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mass screening of women for breast cancer lead to a huge spike of unneccessary mastectomies'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm ambivolent towards it, really'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i don't have an answer for the health system, other than them just facing facts that it isn't a free system, and perhaps doing something to make it fairer, like making what care you DO get free rather than fleecing workers, and maybe restricting the scope of free care in other ways'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, have to go afk for awhile'
T3/r7/2014-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Is the UK talking about banning people born after 2000 from buying cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Please someone, explain to me why the 99% slobber over each other to give their money to the 1%'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not heard of that, Malkar'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Arnica, it's less "give to" and more "have taken by"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well that died down fast.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, your supreme court actually did something right'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'whatever discussion was going on.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there wasn't a discussion going on'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what did the Supreme court do?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my apologies for the assumption.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'declared unanimously that the police -cannot- search a person's mobile phone or mobile device without a warrant'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's great, no reason why they should check otherwise.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Wonder what would it take for all countries to implement international law for digital crime?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they're working towards is a single world government under the UN with everyone disarmed and monitored constantly'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'since such an idea is absurd, it's never going to happen.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a single world government just doesn't seem feasible.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so is there effective method to combat digital crime?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such an idea is in their plan and is already coming to fruition via the EU and NAFTA'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what digital crime are you trying to combat?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'scams, hacking, slander (maybe?), never really given much thought to categorization.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never solve scams because there is a neverending supply of arseholes to scam people and suckers stupid enough to get scammed'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hacking will always be an arms race between hackers and defenders'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are already slander laws that work appropriately, not really a digital-specific issue'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a recent article by the BBC claimed that 29% of police time is used dealing with complaints that have a basis in Facebook'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for me that's good reason to ban Facebook'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as I can see, it is impossible to commit a bone-fide crime on Facebook'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'same ought to said of most social media, it's pretty much the greatest weapon i've ever seen.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's a rather grey area.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'anything else happen that's controversial or worthy of debate?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'does the treshold for oppression change with the general populace?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i mean, are certain cultures simply more inclined to rebel? and some more inclined to be complacent?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cultures change over time. our western cultures have been poisoned by tv/celebrity and a culture of dependance ont he state, we will not rebel'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why they let huge amount of economic migrants into our countries'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"economic migrants" lol i like that'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a technical term, elchanan, people who move country for financial gain#'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rofl you think'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'personally i would say for economic gain'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we saw it in the UK, it's screwed us over quite nicely, and you're seeing it accelerating in The USA with Mexicans/central americans'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but i guess that could be argued against since in economic equilibrium there are no economic profits.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just that there is more profit available without equilibrium'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what you just said makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is more profit to be had in troubled countries, disasters, wars'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cost = benefits defines economic equilibriums '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats because economic equilibrium does not exist'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when there are shocks to a system it can be knocked out of equilibrium '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting into context though, the system wins every way when they import impoverished foreigners'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but those are risky operations too'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it suppresses wages, making margins higher, and the dependance entrenches the welcoming government'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they're risky, it pisses off the populace'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'destroy institutions like health care'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'causes crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the system cannot win! its the system. It just exists and some times changes'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, then the current wielders of the system further their agenda and more deeply entrench their power'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"all the worlds a stage and all the men and women merely player" shakepear'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'elchanan, that's kind of a technicality, since the goals of a system are set by the leaders of it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'true but anyone can play a part in the system if they choose'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, that's not true, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well not exactly they all do play parts just they can set goals as to how big their role'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sure it is'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm excluded from my country's system not out of choice.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a disingenuous statement, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how do you figure jop'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because the most i can do to affect it is blow it all up.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what state ment is "disingenuous statement"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(Debate) Elchanan: 'true but anyone can play a part in the system if they choose''
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and how is that not true'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not so much about truth so much as an impracticality. People cannot play a part in the system without either joining the bad side of it, or be destroyed by it, that's why the system is such a problem'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can try to change system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like playing a game where your odds of winning are so close to zero that in all practically you cannot win'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot change the system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont have to be against system to change it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, the old "be the system to change the system", it doesn't work'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look into the abyss, you become the abyss'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is the one ring'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not... i can think of cases where ordinary people have implemented change  in a system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'changing it from the inside is pretty hard unless the system already has methods in place to change it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ordinary people cannot change the system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'by destrying it and implementing their own.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is deliberately set up to prevent it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well every case is different US the system can certainly be changed by any individual'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've given it considerable thought, the only way of doing it is to set up your own parallel systems, but those systems will come under attack from the system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US the system certainly cannot be changed by any individual'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'certainly can'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US system would need to be changed simultaneously by around 150 million people, or by a small group of people with infinite funds'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not cynacism, it's just a realistic appraisal of the situation '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well since that's how you think then you would be the one who tries nothing. and that will be your part in the system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the days before the feds strangled state sovereignty you would have needed significantly fewer people/money'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cynicism wouldn't be the term, rather pessimism. but i see the point.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries with smaller populations likewise require fewer people/money'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could say i already play my part by pointing this shit out'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was getting to that actually tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i don't try nothing, but the logical conclusion is that without the system itself being destroyed, a new system cannot be set up nor the old changed without majority support.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and by not supporting the system and not going along with it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's just self evident, isn't it Jopari?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the majority support mightn't come as the majority in a system will always be benefitted.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but then you seem support the view one can not change the system and that does not help the system change if many people take up that view'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well jop in the US the system was built off concepts of majority support'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but this common view unites the people who have it. the majority support is always reasonable, until the exploitation of the minorities becomes extreme.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seem to be under the misapprehension that because i believe you cannot change the system with your vote that i wouldn't vote'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its not just the vote'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i will constantly be trying, i just don't expect to win.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto, jopari'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its the ability to change other peoples vote'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the vote isn't all he's implying.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never win the ballot box because you are always going to be outvoted by idiots'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nah, mostly just selfish people.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and idiots'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in my country the majority is given discounts in many things, i don't see them giving that up for me and the rest of the minorities.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and idiots.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and to encourage the pontification of Ideologies and their potential impact on societies'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'elaborate, please, not quite getting it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that's a helpful comment, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well we were talking about how people can change a "system".'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and that was you response '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but when we broke it down you agreed with many ways a person an impact a system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'influence!=transform'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can* impact'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who said "transform' in this debate'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said impact'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I did'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said change'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'impact and change'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'impact == change'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'impact!=change!=transform impact==change==transform'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all imprecise measures'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wow.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its a mater of degrees so to speak'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i agreed that change can be done, but that the chance of it happening are nearly nil.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what i said is also a matter of degrees, drasticly different degrees.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the chance of enough change to satisfy undoing all the bad and making stuff good is even less likely'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I think effort and degree of change are correlated'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so with no effort nearly nil'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes, but 100*0 equals 0'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of it in terms of physics. The 'system' is an object (or evil) of very significant mass'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is moving in a direction chosen by the ruling establishment'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the things that individual people can do can impart force on that mass in a direction of their choosing'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but thanks to momentum, you need millions of people to make the speed and/or direction of the system significantly deviate'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then the amount of deviation required for 'goodness', is also another problem.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless either of you have a way by which a person or group of people can obtain messianic power'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or the ability to brainwash. (always a perk.)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's the rub, the only people who have that kind of power are those in the system with that mass'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence my approach of telling the system to fuck off and try and disassociate myself from it as much as possible'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what ever dude said my part. People can and have impacted/changed systems. trying to provide more proof should be non-essential.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some proof is absolutely essential'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you can look at wars through out history, campaigning for peaceful changes and some not so peaceful.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's kinda essential if most common sense says otherwise.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'prohibition then non prohibition in the us'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fall on the native american indians'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in modern western society there is nobody'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'revolutionary war of the USA'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they all ended with either former system destroyed, a newer system created, or the old retained.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many have basically sacrificed their lives and nothing really changed'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'USA civil war'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'end to segregation'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Snowden, Manning, and Schwartz being the latest examples'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Gay marriage is a big issue now'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so is stem cell research   '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'old out, new in, just because a country retains it's name doesn't mean it's the same.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cloning'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the core which is the constitution has remained'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay marriage isn't a big issue at all, just the media make it out to be'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and  interpretations have been "refined" for lack of a better word'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well sure it is tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in some places around the world what would happen is someone were gay'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'isn't that a different 'system'?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the issue in the western world that the media make of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I would answer "hate crimes," and hate crimes have been directed towards gays in the US'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay marriage is what's known as a "distraction issue"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'different yes i would say its changed even tho a good portion of it remains the same'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kind of like an isomer or isotope in chemistry'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate crime is a misnomer and a non-issue, either it's a crime or it isn't'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ie the original system is not destroyed'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'perhaps, or maybe it's a deviation caused by the millions of people who caused a significant but slight deviation.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to call something a hate crime is merely to try and stick a wedge in society, to exacerbate an existing difference and make political capital out of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no tiger its to specify a class of crimes'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murdering someone is murder, if you killed them because they were a christian then that is a motive, but calling a hate crime is totally irrelevent'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'elchanan, honestly, i've never seen people be sensitive about an issue until they are told to protect the sensitivity of it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Jopari.
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'racial tensions, gender tensions, ethnic tensions were all created bt the governments attempts to make the minority not be discriminated.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless they didn't want them to stop being so.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the net effect is to increase tension between those groups'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason is you're treating them differently, drawing attention to the difference'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hate crime is therefore a label.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which is then used as a justification by the more bold or whiny to get more rights and protection.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno about rights or protection so much as more nanny-stating, more inequality'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well if you con random people shoudl you be treated differently than some one who only scams one group of people'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nobody scams a single ethnic or race or religion, only the same type, the stupid and the arrogant.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you reckon?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you read anything from SPLC?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read any missives from the jewish lobby in Washington?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I think it has happened before...do some reaserch should not take long to find them'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the IRS vs teh TeaPArty'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it happens quite often, really'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, nearly all of the instances are perpetrated by, you guessed it, the system'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but only the stupid and arrogant get scammed. Though i guess i misunderstood the sentence.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my apologies on that.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's true that online scams only trap the stupid :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i think you should treat a person that just goes out and tries to pick fights slightly different if they are doing do bases on a set of criteria. and well fighting and conning are similar on many lvs'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'be leaving, it's 3 a.m. here, mornin.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'online scams can be directed'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not really, but meh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of fights are we talking about? there's a difference between someone who goes to the pub and deliberately breaks a chair over an innocent person, and a person who "fights" to right perceived wrongs'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not really worth debating the targeting issue. its fairly obvious by chatting on debate the target audience is people on aardwolf with debate chan ON'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so if you were to hack a certain religious organizations site your target would be'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you hack a religious organisation?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult to see how hacking a religious organisation website would be a legitimate or justifiable action'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come up with a situation when it would be justifiable then'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gather personal information from a targeted group of people, then use that information for a huge list of crimes that could be commited against them'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does that not count'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would have to do that without hacking'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because any evidence you gain from hacking is not admissable in court'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wtf hacking is allready a crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i said you CAN direct hate crimes online'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i said "hate crime" is a pointless and divisive description of a crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no its not'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure why suddenly we got to a point where you're advocating hacking into a religious organisations' website for some perceived egalitarian purpose'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two wrongs do not make a right. An eye for an eye is bollocks and what differentiates barbarians from decent people'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice that wahabists believe very strongly in an eye for an eye'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '[25 Jun 15:18:38] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's true that online scams only trap the stupid :-)''
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has online scams got to do with hate crimes?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you suggesting that sending out emails pretending to be a bank in order to con people out of their login details is a hatecrime?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well your the one who brought up online scams'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was Jopari'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it could be a hate crime tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or someone before him'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what motivated it is largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'motivation might be relevent when deciding punishment, but it's not relevent as to whether it is a crime or not'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok well thats why it would be called a hate crime because motivation is different enough to classify the crime differently'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so its useful to say certain crimes could classify as hate crimes.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'motivation might be relevent when deciding punishment, but it's not relevent as to whether it is a crime or not''
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until you get up to situations which have names of their own, genocide, matricide, deicide'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that statement agrees with my last'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I think differently then.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can think of no crime where adding "hate" to the front of it makes any difference to whether it's a crime or not, neither does it alter it's seriousness'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does not but that does not but if punishment for a crime that is directed should be different than a non directed identical crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then classifying a crime a a hate crime because of that direction is usefull'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hate crime is philosophical.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'useful only to sociologists'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a criminal trial it's actually a hinderance because you are prejudging'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the job of the jury'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why are you prejudgung'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'jury would have two things to determine'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was a crime commited and two was that crime a hate crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because at the point of trial, the government, police and judge have already decided that it is a more serious crime than it is'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hate-judging then'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's as bad a corruption of the judicial system as mandatory sentencing'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and juryless trials'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm well not if hate crime is the truth of it'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention all the damaging sociological problems that arise from having such definitions as has already been discussed, it's a divisory tactic'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why is it damaging'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it divides people'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'to tell someone hey if you go out and assult someone youll get punished'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it exacerbates differences and inequalities instead of treating people equally'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and hey if you are assulting a targeted group of people punishment will be worse'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's not it at all, it's saying "go out and murder someone you'll get 10 years, go out and murder a jew you'll get 20 years and be branded a hateful racist"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no i wont tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'maybe you might but no I'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you (should) know full well that the term "hatecrime" has been abused by establishments to shut down debate'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way "racist" has'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all used to steer an agenda'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One could argue coherently for some very restrictive types of 'hate' crime, I suppose, but it is a slippery slope, and in the cases where relevant evidence is available, pretty much all civilized legal systems allow for so much tinkering with a sentence that there is no practical need'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nothing wrong with good and just agenda, but then you are gonna argue that the agenda is unjust or not good, and i right?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'unless you want to signal that some groups are more worthy of protection, perhaps'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot signal that groups are more worthy of protection because of everything i've said, tinada, which is why we HAVe these problems'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because governments HAVE deemed groups worthy of more protection than others'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK "Mothers" are one such group'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its not that they are worthy of more protection its that inorder to have equal protection there must be an awareness so to speak'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there is hardly any good scenario for that kind of signal, no'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: ''reverse' discrimination is still discrimination and so on'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, tinada'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and honestly a person guilty of a hate crime might technically be guilty or two crimes in a way like i mentioned before.  '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it might be interesting (in the Chinese sense..) to see reactions if the US population woke up one morning with a complete understanding of the effects of all sorts of affirmative action.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but this is not a case of reverse discrimination as it is used when describing "affirmative action"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'affirmative action, someone needs to be shot for that'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not literally shot, but in a comedy sense)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can't sell it as PC groups > you..'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'naw tiger it worked at the time and its being removed in places and that might continue'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what worked at the time?'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'affirmative action? failed blatantly in the UK and has been outed'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'various types of aa 'work' in the sense that they increase representation/income/wealth/whatever for the group they are promoting'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or at least for some group members'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i've seen, AA causes ire and degrades quality of a workforce'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a lot of aa boils down to attemps to deny/counter nature, and in that respect it is bound to mostly fail'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Tigernuts to be more quiet.
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no talking about externalities'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what it boils down to. People who seek AA generally don't understand the problem'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem is a shortage of female army generals, the solution is quotas'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I dont know if affirmative action got people thinking hey we hire based on ability and reliability.....'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, shortage of females in parliament in the UK, they tried all women shortlists. They lost, or left. What they failed to see was women don't want to be politicians here'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then i would say that is a sucess'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( the current female general officers are not line officers anyway.... )
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my dept at work consists of 9 blokes and 1 woman'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that said, I think weak form aa (priority in case of clearly equal qualifications, like same GPA) is tolerable.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we had to implement a 50/50 hiring policy the group would fold because you could not get adequate numbers of suitably qualified, suitably compatible women to take the role'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sounds effective'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely you'll ever being making a choice solely on GPA, Tinada'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this isn't about qualifications, it's about pc and justice and unicorns and kittens!'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, for admission to Norwegian universities, only gpa counts'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about the state jamming it's infected, spiked cock up your arsehole'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'university places are not jobs though'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'on the other hand that might encourage women to become more competent.  Women are less competent not by nature but because there hasn't been any incentives to be so. '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is so amazingly true..'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women have equal opportunity now, and that's all they need'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'with all due respect, that is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'women are more/less competent in some fields because of biology/culture in various combinations'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not bullshit, it's written into law, APhelion, here at least'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And that depends on your definition of equal opportunity. In theory, I have equal opportunity when it comes to winning the high jump competition in the olympics, but in practice I'm not tall enough to qualify.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have equal opportunity to qualify'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are biological imperatives/limits on things, hence the law states that you can't "unfairly" discriminate on grounds of gender'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'pound for pound, the generalized woman will not beat the generalized man in physical activities, and that is fine since most work requireing exertion is not of the extreme kind (i.e. construction).  Be that as it may, intellectually, women give no ground to men so there is no excuse to place them in a secodary role in non-physical venues. '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I just have no realistic way of acquiring the required competence. And while less extreme, many AA fields face similar problems.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it's a problem for the overwhelming majority of employment fields'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is too late to start the discussion of the gender-adjusted IQ tests and higher moments of the probability distributions'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..or for that matter bad methods in personality measurement'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'working in a company consisting almost entirely of postgraduates, i would question whether IQ by itself is a meaningful measure of competence as a functioning, rounded person'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not really, but it sets limits to certain types of cognitive potential'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never set much store by IQ tests'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie. threshold effects and learning walls when facing close-to-research-frontier issues'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs in response to Tigernuts's question.
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I am not talking about IQ tests. I have met many professional women. When discussing topics with them they fall into the same categories as men do. Either they know what they are talking about or they don't. If they were to write the answers to my question without me knowing who wrote them, I would not be able to differentiate the respondent by sex.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most variation is explained by other factors, certainly'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'high iq bitches are the most annoying of them all. avoid at all cost:p'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Hwuaijijal'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not meant "bitch" as gender thing..'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the plus side: http://www.mediaite.com/online/epa-hires-consultant-to-tell-them-that-pooping-in-hallways-is-bad/'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxpayers $$$ hard at work'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a council next door to mine paid a industrial corporation $50m NOT to build a waste incineration/energy generation plant '
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and the people who elected the council  let them, so don't blame the council.'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they people who elected the councillors didn't have a choice'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't elected on a platform of "we're going to piss your taxpayers $$$ up the wall"'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(oddly)'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but guess what, the guys who signed a contract whereby the penalty for pulling out was $50m were part of a major political party, and if they themselves never get elected again, members of the same party will. Such is the issue with party political system, bringing us full circle back to the massive momentum that the 'system' has'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knock knock, Neo'
T3/r7/2014-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth down 2.9% in Q1? That's not good :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'weather has been shit for weeks now. thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, Russia agrees to sell planes to Iraq immediately, Syria helps Iraq by bombing Isis, Obama 'helps' Iraq by asking congress for $500m to train and arm Isis. How the fuck does that work?'
T3/r7/2014-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you ask that as if us arming and training people has ever gone wrong'
T3/r7/2014-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, GOP support is running so high in Mississippi nowadays that black democrats are casting their votes in republican primaries.'
T3/r7/2014-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'air condition is not necessary'
T3/r7/2014-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was awesome, Hanslanda, and now they're trying to cover the conspiracy up because the beaten guy's campaign guy committed suicide because he got caught trying to take photographs of his opponent's bedridden missus for a campaign video'
T3/r7/2014-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plans are in place in Spain to tax bank deposits'
T3/r7/2014-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum wage in the USA, $7.25? minimum wage in the UK $10.30ish, what gives?'
T3/r7/2014-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'holy crap, in the US child labor is still legal in some sectors of the economy!'
T3/r7/2014-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'most notably in the tabacco industry'
T3/r7/2014-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'yes, or no?'
T3/r7/2014-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'maybe...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, Dolly Parton's playing Glastonbury with an autotuner'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'she should have done a duet with Metallica.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Honestly, Abelinc blames Cher
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking hate Cher, what a bitch'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish believes in life after love.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'If she could turn back time'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she'd still be a bitch'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'autotune's a neat tech when used normally, but the overcorrect bastardize of it sucks moose balls'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people don't notice, i'm a musician and it sticks out like a sore thumb'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, I really liked Autotuning the News'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'do you have the intimate knowledge of mooseballs required to make that comment?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, pretty much all people notice that'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fine, let me rephrase: It doesn't bother most people'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I'd disagree it bother's me and I'm NOT a musician nor do i play one on tv'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's good to know, ontuct'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the community of right minded people'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the catastropic US border collapse, and the US fighting itself in Iraq, what news?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'but I also dislike 90% of today's pop music, so I might not be a great judge'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you dislike 90% of today's pop music, then you have better taste than 90% of people'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'This is the part where we decide that taste is in fact not subjective at all.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it isn't :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'World problems all solved.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, but if ideology, morality, and law aren't subjective, then neither is taste in music'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your favourite colour?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The same as everybody's should be'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Because that isn't subjective.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Infrared'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'We can now get back to the more important things like scrubbing bacon grease off of our kneecaps.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Because Tigernuts has solved moral philosophy.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have bacon grease on your kneecaps? why do i only have bacon grease on my arse?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quantum Anaristos: 'I am partial to ultraviolet :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like ultraviolet, but it's racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'How so?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Untrviolet is hot!'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I love female ass-kickers :>'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love people who kick women's arses?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'wahaha'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that would be women ass-kickers\'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are women not femalse'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'certainly, but this is a point of grammar :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there women who are not females?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'One's that get sex-changes'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And now the debate channel will become a debate channel... I foresee it...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they are not the sex they were, and are the sex they became'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to bring up, Sacheverell?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Eh?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'when nouns function as modifiers they do not have the same effect as adjectives :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'a woman doctor is a gynecologist, a woman-doctor is a female doctor :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't blame me, i didn't invent the languages'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Wait- what? Who brought that up?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but you don't mind omitting the hyphen :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Ah I see now, never mind.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do mexicans want to leave mexico for usa when their soccer team is far superior?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Swim team'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Sorry, had to'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'wading team, you mean. The Rio Grande is like the L.A. River :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Ah, yes indeed'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they don't wade through there any more, they get free tickets given em by US Border Patrol/Homeland Security'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah really. And 'they're taking people with children ya know''
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Except that they aren't.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm aware'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'They're just taking everybody'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taking in a large number of immigrants who are used to a considerably lower salary is a stupid idea'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'or maybe it's a great idea'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'have you ever seen picturess of Ellis Is.?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different age, different context'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'there weren't too many people there of higher income...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was no welfare and no overcrowding, either'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure the context was different. Those people  were European.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put another way, they were actively seeking people to move there'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'That is a good point Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'who was actively seeking what?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and they still do, or didn't you notice the influx of (rich) Chinese in the late '90s?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between a country actively seeking immigrants to come in, and a country whose corporate and political elite want to flood the country with immigrants while the entire rest of the population do not'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'which immigrants were actively sought?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and which ones are not?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in America's early days it was open doors'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'did the citizens want them over, or were they simply indifferent?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I find it peculiar that  the door closes only when the immigration is north-bound...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it seems to me that in fact everyone has always hated immigrants in the history of ever'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sre, jopari, from what is peddled of the time, at worse, short of specific sectaria stresses, people were apathetic or supportive'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you can find text where the US decries all the arrivals from Europe, I'll be very happy to read it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's entirely different, cheap labour and proffessional labour are different.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'how convenient'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk population rose 400,000 last year'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most immigrants'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah really haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'how convenient'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if you can find me proof that most of those from Europe are lacking qualifications, then the situation is relevant.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK overpopulation is an issue for the UK right now'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not really a point seeing as many places are experiencing it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so if you can only work in kitchens or gardens, you are not wanted here... I can understand that. But, who is going to do that work then?  The Europeans?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The people who already do'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'NZ is quite selective in that regard to immigration...you've basically gotta show that you're needed'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when locals can perform the duties, you don't need to flood the entire country with cheap labour that usurps the locals. '
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no selective immigration here, we let any old terrorist or muslim'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'locals have always been able to perform the duties, after all, it is unskilled labor. But they won't because they feel it's beneath them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm not just talking about gardening. Construction, food stalls, and others are overtaken by the immigrants, leading to alot of people out of jobs because they are used to higher pay.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And then they kill your soldiers like last year 0-0'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not overtaken, you act as if it is hostile takeover. They are filling the slots that the locals won't fill.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when that happens, unemployment will likely go up from there being not enough job oppurtunities.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Except that they work cheaper so the people hire them over us'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not over me'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, Aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'non-sequitor, the locals will likely take the damn jobs if they have no other choice.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If they can...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if the locals made the effort, the employers wouldn't get away with hiring immigrants. There wouldn't be any job available for them. Instead, the locals rather live in the streets and panhandle.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens here is industrial corporations will deliberately go to mainland Europe to poor countries to hire labour instead of hiring locals, they know they can find desperate people, can "house" them (basically set up the company store) and pay them below minimum wage for the privelege'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the time when there isn't a hostile takeover is if you're hurting for manpower, as i see it, that's not what's happening in U.S.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The immigrants would take minimum wage, and the locals can't take less than minimum wage if they wanted to'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't UK peeps take the jobs? Because doing so would mean they couldnt' afford to live because the cost of living is so high'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as a rule, those jobs are never even opened do locals'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'as for professionals, unless you are from Western Europe, your scholarship is not acknowledged.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the locals can't make a bloody effort to outdo the immigrants, think, if both work equally hard, the immigrant will still be cheaper.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'locals have much higher expenses'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'If they don't even try'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and the immigrant is working for his life.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hmm?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'If two people are living in the same place eating the same food, how does one person have higher expenses?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'The locals have homes probably'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that only partially true. McD or BK or Jack in the Box won't take the chance of underpaying immigrants. Or any other established company. All it takes is for one to get immunity and the corps are up the creek.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sacheverell 3
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not living in the same place, oftentimes not eating the same food, not paying the same taxes, not getting the same benefits'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'likely cause one lives in the slums, has no immidiate family to support, and can subsist on bad food.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so what you're saying is that the problem isn't immigration. the problem is in fact that someone else is willing to live on less than you.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'or has less choice'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yeah, the degenerates,'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah Aphelion, that's right, I mean there would be riots if they underpaid immigrants lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is corporations are abusing immigrants, and a side effect of doing so is that local people have high enemployment'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes, because they are used to living so.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'perhaps the immigrants are doing better here than they were before, which is why they moved.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but would you actually propose to lower the quality of living of everyone in the country to compete with the immigrants?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the corporations abuse them when they are locals in their country, so what's the big deal. They earn more working for McD here that they would if they worked for them there.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'my quality of living is improved by having cheap labor'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well a large portion is bad tax, energy, and planning/infrastructure police, which is why any number of extra people fucks everything up'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah, but there would still be riots, and I'm definitely not saying I would be part of them because I agree with that completely'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's exactly why they move, if you're living in horrible slums in your original country, then live slightly better in another with higher pay, of course it would be better.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, i live on an island, in an era of green credetials, high population density is an issue'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'They'd still be making far more here'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not horrible slums, where do you get that? Do you think everyone that comes from the South comes from a slum? Wow.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Hahaha'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I mean we're still talking about entirely unskilled labor right?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so the thing that anyone can do?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unskilled/semi skilled/manual'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when it comes to IT, unskilled outsourcing is a funny problem too'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'those that don't will still be paid higher than they are used to.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'call centers anyone?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe people should be encouraged to acquire some profitable skills'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'So that the locals can only get lowlevel jobs?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe governments should be encouraged to lack after their citizens first and other countryies citizens second?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't know what can be done. What is that whatever is done applies to South Americans, Canadians, French, British, etc. In other words, the law applies whether you have a paint job or not.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise such governments should be told to fuck off since what's the point of them if they're not?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'paving roads and fighting fires'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I'm surprised the other countries don't do anything to stop them from leaving'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're doing a shit job of that, too'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'don't follow Aphelion.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Who works their McDonalds, eh?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but Arizona couldn't give a greater shit for some illegal Canadian earning 40USD an hour, they want to bust the greaser that pulls down a hefty 6 USD an hour.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'proof please.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'There aren't that many illegal Canadians, I should know, I can see Canada from my house'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and I know of some Canadians doing just that.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there aren't many canadians full stop'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'solid evidence, not hearsay.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheap immigrants are a problem because of their impact on wages and the job market, in both the US and UK (for different reasons) shear scale is the issue'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Is this the most active the debate channel has been in, well, ever?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, sach'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Of course I've been inactive for a couple weeks'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is full, tell them to go elsewhere, like to France'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I know contractors that walk over the border and get jobs here and pull down the 40 USD/hr. Remember, contractors get the full amount, nothing is taken out.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'they walk from canada to arizona?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'HAHAHAHHAA'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and if they need IDs, they just go to 7th  & Alvarado and buy them :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or we could just limit population growth, but it all comes down to this, i don't care if you're from Canada, Africa, or Mexico, immigrants are all sorts of bad on the economy and the job market when the country already has enough people.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if the feds have been told to stand down from proper immigration control, time to break out your states national guard'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Of course, I suppose I might not be as much of a source about Canadian immigration, seeing as I live at the exact spot where Lake Ontario meets the St. Lawrence river, so they have to cross a bridge :3'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Arizona was just an example, I don't actually know if there are any there, I know there are in Los Angeles.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you cross the border from the south and you try to catch a plane, you better have papers. I doubt if Canadians have that much of  problem getting on a plane. Though, I suppose they could just take Grayhound :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then it's probably that their harder to catch, and therefore more likely to stay slightly longer, but i would hesitate to say that they are welcome.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they patrol the canadian border properly because teh canadians are typicall law abiding freedom loving people'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah, the Canadian border is a lot less secure, at least where I live, than the Mexican one'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want canadians, they want smelly impoverished central americans to come and turn those southern states blue'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'EXACTLY Tigernuts lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are there more people tryin to get in from Mexico or Canada, why would Canadians even want in?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, that's not it, if they look at the plane's manifest and they see "Garcia" and "Jimenez", they will ask them to show papers when they deplane. Unless the Canadian in question happen to have one of those last names (among others), they are will travel unmolested.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'there are no checkpoints 50 miles from the Canadian border to see if anyone is illegal.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no checkpoints 50 miles from the mexican border to see if anyone is illegal'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that doesn't quite answer my question.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah, where I am there is a little box on the interstate to let people in and out and that's it... of course that little box is the only way across except by boat'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'what question?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are there more people tryin to get in from Mexico or Canada, why would Canadians even want in?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexico, Jopari'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'for the same reason the South Americans want in, money.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'I don't know, horse stea'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Steak'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Honduras, Guatemala etc. Basically word got out that the border checks were not being enforced if you sent kids'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there has been a mass exodus of late'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Except that was a lie'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't a lie at all'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But now they decided to do it because of all of the kids'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'therefore, i would postulate that the Mesican border is being policed more tightly because the Mexican people are a larger problem, and therefore more manpower needs to be used to curb it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It wasn't true until the govt had thousands of mexican kids on their hands and said, 'Hey! Let's just let 'em through!''
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Mexican border needs to be policed more tightly, but the people doing the policing have been told to stand down'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the point I was trying to make with the examples was that if you are going to patrol the border, you patrol all borders. At least pretend you are not racist.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patrolling a border is not about being racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's not racist, just practical.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have the same controls/numbers per mile on each border out of equality'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'In general, Canada has better education than Mexico, so if we got some Canadians at least they could do some good'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I won't deny that border needs tighter control, as long as all the borders are tightened to the same degree.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so the point is not that they are illegal, but that they are Mexicans.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the canadian border doesn't need tightening because Canadians aren't pouring illegally over the border'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Yeah really'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you would proceed to make sure that the amount of manpower and resources spent must be proportionate, and since manpower and resources are limited, you do what you can'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so the law is written so that some illegals are allowed in without fear of being prosecuted?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with law, the stand down was ordered by the executive. "non-enforcement"'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Not because their Mexican, simply that there's more pouring from one side than the other.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'But if they come here, what do they care about the law?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'then all I ask is the law be applied to all. Not a unreasonable request.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what happens when you have shit presidents and a scam of party-political based democracy'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'You're right, it isn't a unreasonable request, its AN unreasonable request :3'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so? The law doesn't say, if the number reaches x, go after them, otherwise pretend is not happening. Or does it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what your asking for isn't equality, it's a farce.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'equality isn't policing the border equally, it's treating the situation appropriately.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, applying the law uniformly is a farce. It never happens.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if a student were to be more likely to commit disciplinary problems than others'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'applying the law uniform is what is happening, prosecution and the application that you're suggesting is idiotic.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the problem with that philosophy is that there is no way to manage such approach because it's basically whimsical. Since they don't follow the law, they make it up as they go along.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Who doesn't follow the law?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the borders are all policed, but because one end of the border is easily overwhelmed, it must be fortified.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'INS doesn't follow the law when it comes to non-South Americans.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It does, it just doesn't catch them'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Maybe Canadians are smarter and hard to catch :3'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, that's a good one :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if the Canadians started pouring in en masse, it would be fortified too.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'lol jk jk jk'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, now they are smarter... good. Let me write that one down.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but they're not, therefore more attention is spent on the Mexican border.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I would bet that if Canadians suddenly decide to start immigrating, the US and Canada would reach an accord where they would come in quotas.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Quotas of what? How many can come in at a time per day or something?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'likely not.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, so you think the US would start raiding businesses looking for Canadians? Right.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'even if quotas were set, the Canadians would still attempt entry en masse.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and the US would turn a blind eye.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ye of little faith.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Give me a reason why.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they are whiite'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'No, they're white'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'whatever'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Not whiite lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who's the person who can't see past skin colour in this debate? you, if you are willing to believe all people up top think this way, then please provide something to prove it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Obama certainly wouldn't :3'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the 'us' and 'them' mentality applies even if they have similarities to you. And i see no benefit that would make the U.S keep the Canadian immigrants around.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so you are saying that the policies the US applies to the problem of immigration from the South is not motivated by racism. My apologies. '
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not "us". I am not one  of "us".'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not solely.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i never said you were,.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'should suburbs and inner cities both have police forces of the same size? that's equivalent to requesting that the borders should have the same resources...'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the 'us' and 'them' mentality is a group mentality.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'good point Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not anti-black to have a bigger police force in the city, it's merely appropriate response to demonstrated need'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'need for what?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it demonstrates that the response must be appropriate to the situation.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'what's the situation?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when there is more crime in an area, obviously the policing force must be given more resources.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'need for law enforcement'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like need for border enforcement'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'So, as rule, areas where blacks live have more law enforcement elements.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the situation is two areas with varying levels of crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, areas with higher crime'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know it's a really high and hard concept...but try to think a bit'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nope, just because a person is black doesn't mean he's a liability to public safety.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I understand the concept and the theory. I just don't think the application follows it very closely.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then study more'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when a place has higher amount of blacks and a higher crime rate, doesn't mean the blacks being blacks are the problem, the link isn't causal.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'In Los Angeles. The trains are boarded on the honor system. That is, the assumption is that you are going to pay so there are no barriers. However, if a law enforcement agent asks you for proof of passage, you should be ready to present it. That is a the theory.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's likely to be because of perhaps a shared background.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'continue.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'In practice the law enforcement agents only check for proof of passage at two stations. Guess where those stations are.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'buffalo's metro is the same way...the fines for not having a stub are much heftier than the ticket'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i foresee something that you'll link to racism.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'You can go to any station and watch the people go in without paying, knowing that the odds are they won't get caught. But at those 2 stations, you better have paid.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'go on, spit it out.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't need to say any more :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then you've proved nothing.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then again, you also somehow see people walking across the border from canada to los angeles every day :P'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, I have proved nothing.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you ask them why they don't patrol other stations, and they will just "but we do". Except no one ever sees them. But at these 2 stations, they are 4 deep.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you'd need to show that all these stations have the same levels of rulebreaking probability.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a pretty long walk'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'likely because a larger show of force is required.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the people at these two stations  pay, they have no choice. No one knows what would happen without the police presence, because it is always there.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'remember, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that would be worse, because the people getting in without paying are obvious. So if the law enforcement is hidden at these other stations, they they are observing pay evaders and doing nothing about it. That actually would be worse.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so can you prove that there isn't a need for a higher prescence at the two stations?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the only way to find out is to remove the presence. Since the presence is always there, there is no way to tell.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'therefore, isn't your argument also invalid as speculation?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it is obvious that the lack of presence elsewhere leads to evasion. So I assume if the presence were to be removed from the 2 stations, there would evaders there too.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it is not speculation that at the other stations people are getting in without paying. It is not speculation that law enforcement doesn't enforce fare payment at those stations.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so is it unwarranted? Could you please state which stations and what the official reason is?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'since i don't live in the States, that info would be helpful.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'for the official reason, you'll have to ask the sheriff's department. As to what stations, pick one. Get a map of LA's rail system and throw darts at it to choose.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you just said 2 stations were heavily policed, hitting one with a dart is extremely unlikely.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your cops are just as corrupt as ours are.  That info's irrelevant by itself, if you cannot contextualize it with other parameters (ie, mean wealth of the zone, crime stats for same, etc)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's why i want the location and official reason.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I didn't say that anyone was corrupt, not in that way, anyway.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'probably not as corrupt as mine, but meh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry, that was slightly off-topic, i still need the locale.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'anyway, I have to get busy with other stuff. Thanks for your time :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sulks in the corner.  Baby!!
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I am here everyday, so maybe when I have more time we can continue.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not me. and the curiousity will likely hurt my brain. oh well.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'besides, we'll never change anything with these arguments. You are bent on showing that law enforcement is basically impartial and has the best interests of the community at heart. I am slightly bent on showing you that's hogwash.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion waves happily.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nah, what i want to know is where, arguin these is my way of getting info.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'besides, my country's corrupt to the core, so i know that police can be very partial.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't need rocket surgery to understand it, Obama's mob couldn't get immigration made easier (reformed) so he threw a hissy fit and is breaking the constitution in order to allow floods of mexican and centrial american kids into the US by not enforcing the border controls and not enforcing laws that prevent them staying'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'motivation for letting them in are easy votes'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's an... interesting way of saying it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's just the facts on the ground, Jopari'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'easy votes huh, isn't there a limit before you can vote?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'time limit i mean.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, because the obama administration is also blocking voter ID laws which some states are trying to put in to force voters to prove they're a citizen first'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'though i know it isn't always enforced, i thought it only happened in rather bad countries.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wow, that's pretty bad.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all you need is a photo id of some kind.  Don't even need the voter registration cards the government sends you if you have that.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since many states are giving out drivers licenses (a photo ID) to illegal aliens.... QED'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it's good enough to get into a bar, it's good enough to vote.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wow, don't they need to justify it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the government, why the fuck would they?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or did they just provide horrible reasons.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just call their opponents racist or conspiracy theorists, or terrorists'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the drivers licenses?  They already justified it.  Illegal aliens without photo ids don't follow the rules of the road.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari flinches in obvious pain... you wonder what he did THIS time.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't care, there's a 50-50 chance UK will elect a Nazi as prime minister in 2015'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, if one party wins, a nazi will be home secretary, if they lose, the nazi will become leader of the opposition'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who're we talking about?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Theresa May'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, the opposition are nazi's anyway, so it makes little odds'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the evil cat lady with the cat named Kitler?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so by nazi do you mean supremacist?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarian police state'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascist'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Kitler?! WTH?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a funny cat picture of a young cat with a black marking on its upper lip that looks a lot like Hitler's mustache.  John Stewart used it on his show.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's a cat? gets my vote'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fascist huh, that's be very bad.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'seriously, so they're proposing that everyone follow whatever they say?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how'd bureaucracy come to this?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a biblical swarm of blood suckers, aka politics.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she believes in the power of state above all, the end of all freedoms, spying on everyone, detention without warrants and the expansion (not end) of the war against drugs'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as part of that she believes in rolling all police forces into one national one, the removal of most of the remaining jury trials and the removal of a trial in many cases'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i wouldn't ask for the end of the war on drugs, just different methods.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she also wants to opt out of the convention on human rights'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all hail the revival of the old KGB.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what?!'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'she wants human rights to be revoked?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they never left, they just branched out into politics'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want the KGB when you already had the remnants of the Germany secret police founding the CIA?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, she wants the european human rights act revoked'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nutjob, real hard case.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'I thought she wanted the "D"'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she also looks like she has a dribbly fanny'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'D?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say she makes my blood boil'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if the European right's act were to be revoked, all sorts of shit would hit the fan, if she's serious.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's the UK equivalent of Eric Holder, and about as interest in law and order'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what do you mean by 'D' Oto? '
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'who we talking about?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Theresa MAy, Oto'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'who is she?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see history of this channel.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'about 40~50.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know who the bad guy is in V for Vendetta?  She's THAT guy in real life.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'how do i do that again?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'channel -h number or search term'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'add -h'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'and what section should i look at?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oto: 'to get a understanding'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'about all of it that refers to what she propagates.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so if she gets her way, that's almost all the progress in the past few centuries undone.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progressives are just as bad'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progressives quite often -are- fascists and authoritarians'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'what? Nobody was on this channel lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hmm?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they call themselves innovative.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i don't get it, removing the old doesn't make it better.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'anyway, G'night.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Sacheverell person again...
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'You were in on this debate a moment ago.'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'And now joo attack it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Lol you were debating and then you said we couldn't debate there lol'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Shame upon thee!'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're not supposed to, it's not what it's for'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people get short with you if you abuse it'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'It was originally about tech, but it sorta spiralled out of control... it appears to happen a lot'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun, i'm off, i'll no doubt jump back if someone has anything interesting to talk about'
T3/r7/2014-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sacheverell: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentina is potentially about to default on $539m of bond repayments today'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, supreme court sides with Hobby Lobby and allows them exemption from Obamacare due to religious grounds because of the mandatory contraception cover'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is twisted in silly America - it should be people who have those exemptions, not companies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'contraception cover? can a company have religious beliefs?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently corporations are considered people under many elements of US law'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yeah, if i remember correctly, they have rights and everything.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have more rights than people do'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but i didn't know they could have a belief system.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it'll be the religious belief of the owners'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it to the opposite end of the spectrum, you're a single person employing one other, do those rights apply to you?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sorta see where they're coming from, but it's admitted a tad odd'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the supreme court vote was 5-4 with the 5 being all men, the 4 including the only 3 women'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising for women judges to be flids'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should have left them in the kitchen where they belonged'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ouch.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's a tad harsh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it amused me :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contraception isn't healthcare, it's elective so shouldn't ever be included as a mandatory thing, dunno wtf they were thinking'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'meh, is alternative medicine covered in it as well?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, some is in the UK and they're trying to overturn it'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US? doubt it, the whole thing's a stitch up by pharma corps'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pharma and insurance companies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'alt med probably shouldn't be encouraged.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the method'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'at least not to the extent where conventional medicine no longer fits in the people's minds.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be offered where it has proven effect'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as accupuncture'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chiropracty'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even aromatherapy for certain things'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but quite often, others are more effective, and these alt meds often claim beyond what their treatments can treat.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe they are, but they cannot claim effect beyond what they treat already by law (here, anyway), and "not offering them within insurance" is a bit different to "banning them altogether"'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'used in conjunction, there's no reason not to encourage it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternative medicine doesn't have the monopoly on shit treatments, there are plenty of really bad drug treatments that doctors will happily prescribe'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i remember correctly they have.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not monopoly, somply the right to advertise.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like mass murder suicide pills'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% of the US public takes them, irrespective of the fact they do not cure anything, and cause people to have psychotic episodes'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if that's happening, the FDA could lead an investigation if provided with suspicion.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if what's happening?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bad drug treatments.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they? the FDA are bankrolled by pharma/health industry'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to look up "vaccine courts" and wonder why there's even a need for it to exist'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'conspiracy theory?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of SSRi's, they have never ever cured anyone on record'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vaccine court exists'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not to that, to the earlier one.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SSRi's can actually reduce your chances of getting better because they screw over your body's ability to regulate various chemicals'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'okay, the vaccine court doesn't appear to be what the pharma companies would want.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conspiracy theory that 20% of the US public takes SSRI's? no, that's true'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they reckon that by 2050 (one average lifetime since they were invented) 2/3 of all people will have been prescribed SSRi's at some point in their life'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no, i'm talking about how everyone is in the Big Pharma's bank roll.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said everyone was?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like certain other big industries, they exert considerable and undue pressure on governments in the form of party funding, lobbying, and revolving door appointments between government and high-end jobs in those companies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pharma, banking, military are the 3 biggies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your education continues :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not really, i've read so much of things like this i'm really not surprised someone thinks this way, though SSRi's are something new.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinks?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't really up to debate :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i admit that there are some instances where it may be true, bit i would also like to point out that one, i haven't seen the Big Pharma refuse to want a certain medication, probably because two, whatever can be used as medication makes them a profit.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in addition, all bar 1 (i believe) of the non-gang related mass shootings in the USA of the last 30 years were perpetrated by people on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'really, where'd that number come from?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a crime study out of some american university, can't remember where i saw it'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'from what i read, there is only a suspicion that it causes suicidal behaviour.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i remember the highlights being excerpts of the medical reports of the most recent shooters'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll look it up later i suppose.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't a suspicion, it's listed on the side effects sheets'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i honestly don't understand how vaccines can link to autism.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or SSRi.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i suppose it is a side effect, sorry, misread.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the autism thing isn't because of the vaccine themself so much as side effect of the process'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'trauma?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically a immune system reaction/panic'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankfully rare, but when you pump every child full of a half dozen vaccines each, it doesn't need to be common to affect thousands of kids a year'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they do realise vaccines are simply weakened bacterium right?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not any more they aren't'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you can vaccinate with drugs now?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i don't remember such a thing being possible.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're still basically the bacteria, but they doctor them a a subtly different way'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're still basically the bacteria, but they doctor them a a subtly different way'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Tigernuts, the autism-vaccine link has been debunked'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there are true believers Vost, or people on the fence still.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so was the cigarette-lung cancer link'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because there is no link'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sure - they are wrong'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'personally i don't, but i'd still like to see the argument.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines don't -cause- autism, autism can result from vaccines, that's the bottom line'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a->b does not imply b->a'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'tough though, what's autism exactly?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong about it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Google Andrew Wakefield'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know who Andrew Wakefield, and it has nothing to do with his botched study'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having relatives who have died as the result of vaccines, I'm inclined to consider anyone declaring there to be no dangers to be idiots'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's all his fault'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how do you suppose vaccines caused your relatives deaths, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immune system reaction i'm guessing'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason peanuts can kill you'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'anaphylaxis?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very rare heart condition, actually'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i could die from favia beans if i ate them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't, Jopari, it's a conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no, fava beans are poisonous'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm G6PD deficient.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not anaphylaxis'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i could very well die from it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if vaccines had no side effects, there wouldn't be pages of them listen on the CDC website and the Office of Special Masters wouldn't exist'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's about all there is to say about it'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't to say vaccines are bad, or that you shouldn't take them, for the large part they're good, and for the large part you SHOULD take them'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the flu vaccine which is a fake'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's because fools exist, NCCAM(though i doubt that's their name now) still exists, homeopathy exist and a host of other stupid things exist, doesn't make them right.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines are not homeopathy'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'never said they were.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor are they a panacea'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but just because something exists doesn't make it right.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nor does it make it irrefutable.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we overvaccinate, much like we over-antimicrobial-ize, it's a dangerous road'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's pretty much what i said, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not really.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'vaccination benefits from herd effect'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'antibiotic overuse leads to drug resistance'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'define overvaccinate.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are limited things that are sensible to be vaccinated for'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vaccinate "cuz we can" rather than for safety'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sure? of'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something is a killer, or whose vaccination can last a lifetime, are good things to vaccinate against'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things like the flu, or measles, completely pointless'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's not life-threatening under normal conditions, it shouldn't be vaccinated for the general'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'flu and measles do kill people'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if benefits outweigh risks - it should be potentially used'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'under the right circumstances...then again, so does the flu vaccine'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'which it does for certain populations for flu/measles'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'certain populations is the issue...'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'flu vaccines exist? or just for certain flu?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu vaccine is ineffective, and the measles vaccine has a higher death rate than the measles'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost bonks Jopari on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the flu vaccine exists, but is only 9% effective because flu isn't a singular bug, it mutates'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'evidence please, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not likely that vaccines kill more than the original.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cause that would mean it was more powerful.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can look up the death rate for measles as well as i :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not more powerful, merely differently-affecting'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most vaccine-related complications are not from the live culture'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what causes it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think measels is more of a concern in developing countries where there's much lower levels of health care'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in which case, the measels vaccine would be a boone for those families'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what do you think causes measles vaccination to be more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a far cry from why the supreme court was right to allow Hobby Lobby religious exemption from Obamacare'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yep, but still valid.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just because you raised that topic doesn't neccessarily mean i'm confined to it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't complaining ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i suppose not.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, should a company be treated as an individual?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it happens to be a state that i gleefully use in my debates.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a complicated question, razkin'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm not sure.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm kind of divided on the Hobby Lobby ruling'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I figure :)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, this is one where I can really see points on both sides'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i honestly don't think contraception ought to be covered.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto, Jopari, it's a lawsuit of the administration's own making'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, see, I don't think it shoudl be covered either (neither does my wife)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think I'm more concerned with some of the reasoning that they used , such as providing a for profit company individual rights'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just an anomoly of your legal system'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's one that I dont' think I like, for the most part'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, again, I'm kind of split on it'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how could you apply it to a one-man company with 2 employees and not apply it to a corporation?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially since I didn't support ACA in the first place'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ACA was a dog of an idea/bill'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if rulings like this will force health care even farther into government control.  I mean, that sounds weird, but I've already seen some peopel arguing that this would be a moot point if the government was the sole provider'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only chance is it gets pulled entirely in 2018'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hope your right'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry 2016'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh good lord, see.. I knew this would happen'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/simon-waxman-tomahawk-missiles-apache-helicopters-just-as-offensive-as-redskins/2014/06/26/16c18738-fc9a-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pc brigade needs to fuck off and die'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Half my state will need to be renamed...'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i hate it when they claim sensitivities.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'heh, i would suppose so.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why you lot went down that route, should have just brought in goverment as a provider of health insurance'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ACA seems like the most convoluted, fucked up, awkward and expensive way of achieving the same thing'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'On a mostly completely unrelated note, apparently you have a shortage of Sperm in the U.K., Tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.bbc.com/news/health-28061263'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'according to that article, the U.S. is a major exporter of Sperm to your fertility banks.  '
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and you were saying that we didn't export anything, the other day'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'don't know if that qualifies as manufacturing, though...'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when talking about records and history, why in the olympics and the world cup, do media always refer to Germany, then before unification, West Germany - East Germany, who were successful at many sports, get completely edited out of history?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hadn't actually paid attention to that, however, there seems to be this push to not recognize the past (such as that renactment that woudldn't allow the German soldiers to wear German outfits).'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people seem to want to forget , but that's the last thing we should'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the past, nogs, like they're editing 1776 out of american history'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd guess it's part of the P.C. brigade you mentioned'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i wonder, do they really understand the implication of their actions?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the destruction of the history of a culture is the cruelest thing possible, for it leaves them as though they never existed.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'though i understand not all of it is being destroyed, when you start cherry picking even history, nobody will ever learn fron history.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's this weird push to not offend anyone'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then there's the PC brigade, as you put it. How is this not similar to the way a cetain government attempted to control it's people's thoughts?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in my experience, people rarely feel offended until they are told that they should.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the weird push not to offend is causing people to be more offended.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like in my country, Islamists now have a "halal" food chain. How is this progression from the days when we simply didn't put pork or alcohol in dishes from them, when they could come over to eat and chat?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'dishes for them, my bad.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'What is the halal food chain thing?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the government believes that the Al-Quran means that nothing you eat or use to cook what you eat can touch pork or alcohol.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so now restaurants amhave to have a halal certification for Muslims in our country to eat.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just tell them to piss off'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'done'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'buyer beware'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the food chain in these muslim countries is really halal'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might SAY it is'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the halal certificate requires that they don't serve pork, use pork derived ingredients, use utensils for pork or alcohol.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'believe me, i've told them more than once that it's a stupid idea, i was showered with anger and contempt.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who in this case is "them"?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'some muslims i know in my school.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'of course, i know there are some who consider it bs as well, but i haven't really met them yet.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell those "some muslims" that they're retarded and point out the flaws in their hairbrained scheme'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless they genuinely are retarded, then tell them they're retarded, point and then laugh'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'this fervor has reached a pitch where some Muslims refuse alcohol swabs and anasthesia with alcohol in it.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send them back to Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see them vs a non-refusal checkpoint'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i couldn't do that, i'd be "disturbing the peace" and thrown in jail.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in that case, plant some extremist material on their laptops and have them arrested'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and it's me and the rest of the minorities who are being told to go back to China, India, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start demanding that your religion requires the saying of grace before a meal'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we have a National Harmony Act, that prevents me from openly voicing my opinions on the Islam as a national religion point.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's that, Singapore?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Malaysia, Singapore is way more open and doesn't have Islam as the official religion.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Malaysia has never been quite the same since we left'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or since you came, for that matter.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you were barbarians before that'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but point conceded, empire usually creates more problems than it solves'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a look at Israel'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'seen it, but empire?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British Palestine'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state of Israel came about because of Jewish terrorists that moved in after WW2 rebelled against british rule'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well it's in quite a precarious area now ain't it?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Britain couldn't solve it, went to the UN who decided to create an Israeli state against our reccomendations, Israel then proceeded over the next 50 years to essentially ethnically cleanse Israel of native Arabs'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest, as they say, is history'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'was it Malaysia that recently ruled that Christians can't call God, Allah?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or was that a different country?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes, bastards.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's vaguely amusing that the Israeli prime minister was on telly today supporting the creation of a Kurdish state, given that it would need chunks of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey to work, and given that he refuses to let the Palestinians have one'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'One of our activists, a muslim herself, stated dryly that our National Anthem sang to God rather than Allah.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Allah is God'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yeah, but now Allah has ©.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of Judaism, Islam and Christianity is that they share the God'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know, therefore it is stupid.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think the argument was something rediculous, like a Muslim could accidently read Christian literature, see the word Allah in it, and somehow be magically converted to a Christian, or something like that'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's not the whole point'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what IS the point, then?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the whole point is that each one is right and the others are wrong'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the argument was that Christians and Muslims would get confused.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly only one can be right, and that's Christianity'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, but it was more than that'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam is just Christianity with the serial numbers filed off and a bunch of dodgy shit to satisfy the needs of the manipulating founder of the time'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I could swear I read something about Imams being worried that Muslims would accidently get converted, or something of the such'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Judaism came first, then Christianity, then Islam.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any religion'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, in some ways, Islam is a bit closer to Judaism'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'another baseless argument, Razkin, regarding the imams'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just telling you what I read'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not by much.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know, and i'm calling their turd a turd.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Religion had many purposes, teaching, instilling morals, but mainly it was about keeping the little people under the thumb'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, no, not by much, but for instance, if Halal food isn't available, Kosher food is acceptable, by virtue of many of the similarities'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's just kind of a minor similarity'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want Halal food, prepare it themselves'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Some time ago, an NGO named JAIS, proceeded to raid some Christian Churches.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, I find it interesting that so many religious people don't want to accept that they worship the same god'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's tribalism'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I agree with the controlinng people, Tiger'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'The Christians actually recognised it when they asked for permission to use Allah. it was accepted, then recently revoked'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'JAIS proceeded to confiscate the Malay bibles during the raid, and are vying to destroy them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Our history books have been rewritten so that i get a headache everytime i read about how the Malays were the heroes, and the minorities are bad and immigrants.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Then we have a guy wanting to revoke my second class citizenship, despite me being the 4th generation here.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well, not mine specificly, but you get the point.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move :-)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what idiots tell me, don' tlike it? move. Where to?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i've got no roots back in China, and no capability to work, he's basicly threathening exile.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'besides, we had a prescence here before even them.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, with a bit of luck China will start invading places around there - they're already making noises'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i hope not, war could be worse.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i keep having the idle thought of emulating Guy Fawkes's parlimentary disagreement.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naw, that won't help you any'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nice big war might wake up westernised countries to realise that if they want to be the good guys, they actually have to -be- the good guys, and not just have the rhetoric'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might also help solve the overpopulation problem'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there is that.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing else will help. you can't even talk about immigration in the UK without someone branding you a racist'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i have the sneaking suspicion they're all braindead though.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://everythingisracism.com/'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they're braindead, but this is a democracy, and you know that in a democracy you have two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thanks to my beliefs, i am branded a racist, misogynistic and segregationist'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'apt discription'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's true, is why i laud the US constitution and why it makes me very cross when it's subverted and not protected'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's very striking and apt as well that utopia means "not a place"'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then there's the human rights act, that according to you is also being subverted.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, yup, already has, but we don't have a constitution so nobody even noticed'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well damn.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they continue to nibble at it, they've already legitimatised the spying of UK citizens Facebook, GoogleMail, Twitter and Skype activities without a warrant on the grounds that they're foreign companies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i always thought that'd be the last place for that, then i started my education about Laura Cox.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had no protest rights since the miners strikes of the 1980s'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'spying is legal now, by the government?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had arbitrary searches without a warrant since 2001'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arbitrary detention without charges since 2001'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the general idea of spying is that it was done on foreign country operations, countries that are your enemies'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that might actually be reasonable, i suppose they've watched too many terrorist movies.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that would be reasonable, spying on your own people isn't though'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm perfectly happy for my government to spy on me, provided they go to a judge and get a fucking warrant describing what they're looking for and what crime it's to catch/prevent'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so they now can check your twitter, facebook and others? best not be doing anything untoward then.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'even bad jokes.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the warrant should be warranted.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'without justification, there should be no reason. Do they even still need warrants to search your home?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, I believe so'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not your car or your person though'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well, i suppose that's still better, but the facebook and twitter of a regular person will probably be more informative though.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble with UK law, and it's the same happening int he US, is that they deliberately put in vague clauses to enable the police to act in a corrupt manner'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrt to warrants, Police in the UK do not need a warrant to arrest someone for whom an arrest warrant has been issued and they believe in on the premises (reasonable), to arrest an individual for a sufficiently serious crime (reasonable), to recapture an individual who is unlawfull at large (reasonable) to save an individual's life or prevent serious damage to a person or property (subject to huge amounts of abuse)'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'huh.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's up?'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry, need to go, it's 4~5 a.m.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good morning'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you too.'
T3/r7/2014-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'anyone in the mood for an I/P discussion?'