T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a big fan of the European Court on Human Rights, but today's decision to uphold France's ban on the muslim full face veil (the Nikhab) is bizarre to say the least'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Saudi Arabia and US backed terrorist Sunnhi group ISIS has declared a new Islamic state taking parts of Iraq and Syria as territory'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what's the soccer news?'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the soccer news is that soccer is shit'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'belgium winning 1-0 in extra time'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an Islamic Caliphate under Sharia is just what the world needs'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a free country'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like these camps want some bombs dropped on them'
T3/r7/2014-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair's fair, that's what they do to pakistani, yemeni and afghani children, why not guatamalan and honduran?'
T3/r7/2014-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'californians are getting arsey at the standdown at the border and their lands being flooded with illegal immigrants, among them drugs gangs. What gives? Californians are democrats that should be stoned and not heard'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'today we were told that simply by visiting Tor website, or searching for Tor, you get flagged in the NSA database as an extremist'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a hurricane this early....we might get an exciting season this year.'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, plasma tvs are about to go extinct.'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, mortgage rates near 4% again.'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mortgage rates are way over 4%'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might just about squeeze a variable rate with a introductory rate at 3.79%'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fixed rates starting around 5.2 here'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fixed rates here with 700+ credit are 4.01 %'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4.01 + base rate, or including?'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 13th warrior is one of the best films ever made....too bad it lost $160 million.'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ouch, 47 ronin cost $225m to make, and earned only $150m....losing about $140 million with advertising costs.'
T3/r7/2014-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'keanu reeves should have stuck to a new matrix trilogy.'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was odd to see a US flag flying from a 13th century anglican church tower a few miles from where i live in England'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also against the law, technically'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"We are not going to put metal detectors in front of the schools to keep the parents from entering. We are in a relation of trust with the parents," Couffignal said. "This is the relation we want to keep."  So said a fellow french teacher after a crazed parent walked into a preschool class and stabbed the teacher to death right in front of the students.'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i'll bite, what dastardly did the french teacher do that enraged the parent'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no idea, but while the school hasn't before seen violence like this they've experienced tensions before.  Given the stories my aunt and sister-in-law tell, I'm guessing they committed the mortal sin of telling the parents they're the cause of their child's issues.'
T3/r7/2014-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'authorities are saying the mom was psycho, though.'
T3/r7/2014-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should sterelise women like that'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'anyone feel that the progression of equality for the sexes is stunted by how popular women portray themselves?'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'by popular i mean celebrities. not politicians.'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'deb -h 30'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'equality of sexes is an anacronism'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and it may or may not be a good idea, depdending on what equality means'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sexes will never be equal, they are fundamentally different'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to force them to be equal is a pointless, fruitless, and probably harmful escapade'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'equal as in equal legal rights in most situations is reasonable, aiming for equal outcomes is counterproductive'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've had equal rights for decades'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since we are quite different'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than equal in some areas'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what does "more than equal" mean?'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'usually discriminating in favour of a group perceived as weak/minority/whatever'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what Tinada said'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are far worse and more immediate problems in society that perceived gender inequality'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you mean global warming? :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and shoe bombers'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most of the resources available to western societies are being wasted, that's one we might look into'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like use of foreign policy to deliberately destabilise foreign countries, create wars'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like corporatisation, globalisation and the enslavement and impoverishment of people by governments and corporations'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also efil school systems'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit like that that affects almost everyone, man or woman, black brown white yellow or blue, straight or bent'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which are nessecary for the rest to work'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will the mexico-immigrant border dispute go hot?'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda wish Rick Perry would find his testicles and deploy the national guard'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, The British Broadcasting Corporation (UK's state owned broadcaster) has issued new guidelines to it's news department to ignore previous guidelines that demand impartiality when reporting contentious subjects, and instead divide time based upon "concensus"'
T3/r7/2014-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long live free press!'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, Spain confirms a tax on all bank deposits. Nasty'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wow'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do they have an income tax?'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if so, do they tax the deposit of your income ontop of hte income tax?'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure the specifics, probably calculated the same way they do interest'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'a yearly rate? '
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I'd be really upset if they were blatently double taxing'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? happens all the time'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's to stop people from withdrawing all their money'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but usually they at least try and do it a bit less obviously'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing, redryn, but is that what they want?'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bad things tend to happen when people all withdraw their money at the same time'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.examiner.com/article/veteran-arrested-and-charged-for-legally-open-carrying-ar-15'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, your cops are really fucked up'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read the story, watch the video, the cops literally entrapped the guy and arrested him falsely'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope the dude wins a decent settlement for his time, though it happens more and more often, and it's the public who pick up the tab'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one wonders why they put up with it'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder how much of it has to do with poor training'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you see it more and more and it's actually the result of training, not lack of it'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am prepared to believe that the police have been told to go after gun carriers, knowing full well that they have done nothing wrong in order to have a chilling effect'
T3/r7/2014-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it costs the tax payer a fortune, they know that will just further the anti-gun cause'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Is Ross Ulbricht guilty of any crimes?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Brazil about to declare war on Germany?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If the US successfully convincts Ross Ulbricht, it will set a precedent that will allow -any- website vendor to be charged for the conduct of any user on their website'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are significant flaws in the prosecution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=osg2LqSxEeI'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'namely transfer of intent'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put another way, they were probably right to shut down silk road, and chances are he was guilty of some stuff, but certainly not of murder for hire and al the other crazy shit they're trying to pin on him'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, and mob fronts aren't either...there's nothing truly precent-setting here'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it's a little more nuanced than that'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like them charging the director of ebay for conspiracy to murder if someone sells a knife or a gun on it'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'silk road wasn't people using craigslist for illegal activities...it was created, intentionally and from the ground up, for illegal activities'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'setting up an anonymous market place is not grounds for being charged with murder'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the murder he's being accused of was not because of something that the website users were doing...'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's being accused for actually being the person putting out the hit'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i know, he's not the person who put out the hit'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the FBI are alleging that he put out a hit on someone who was blackmailing him, not just that hits happened to be taken out using his site'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the key implications is that by using Tor, PGP or any other anonymising or privacy technology, you are automatically showing criminal intent'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the prosecution are claiming'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he s charged with narcotics trafficking, computer hacking, money laundering, and engaging in a criminal enterprise'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'those tools were used for criminal activities, with criminal intent...using those tools was purposely done to make discovery and prosecution difficult...merely using them does not show criminal intent, nor was it ever claimed that such was the case'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the use of them does strengthen the case, and pointing to the use of the tools will (and should) be done'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just because silk road was a libertarian wet dream doesn't mean that the guy didn't try to hire a hitman. there's pretty convincing evidence'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about all the other charges'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's the opposite of what you said a couple of minutes ago'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you brought up the murder charge, we're talking about it all'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe brought it up, actually'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I didn't'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"chances are he was guilty of some stuff, but certainly not of murder for hire and al the other crazy shit they're trying to pin on him'"'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate -h murder...'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[08 Jul 18:07:53] (Debate) Abelinc: 'he's being accused for actually being the person putting out the hit''
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first reference to hiring a hit'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, after you talked about the hit 3 times'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't "bring it up", I clarified it after you brought it up repeatedly'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, mentioned selling guns'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holy shit how selective your memory is'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'usually people wait more than a few minutes'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he's been charged with 4 things right now, none of them are murder for hire'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least wait till your lines are out of the buffer :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're quoting 18:07:53, how about 18:04:12, 18:05:33 and 18:06:59?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which were 3 times that you talked about him being accused of murder before I said a word about it'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '18:04:12 is a valid contradiction'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he's being charged for hiring a hitman'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all 3 are you "bringing it up"'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The murder-for-hire allegation is now an 'uncharged crime' mentioned in the narcotics trafficking conspiracy section of the New York Indictment.  It is NOT a formal charge and requires no proof'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(according to the defence)'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Case1: 13-cr-00222-CCB Document 4 United States of America v. Ross William Ulbricht'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not it's a charged crime doesn't impact that you brought it up and not me :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'OK, Abe, i apologise for that'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that was the issue i'm worried about'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.scribd.com/doc/173043638/Ulbricht-Md-Indictment'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm more concerned about selective use of law to target people that aren't part of the establishment'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jeebus'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, being the mob middleman is simply being "not part of the establishment"'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the dude tried to order a hit on two people'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so he's about as bad as politicians, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck, i like the concept of silk road. good drugs are hard to find'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but i don't automatically give him slack fear real evil stuff because i share some of the ideas'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he hired a hitman, then he deserves the book throwing at him for it, but charging him for trafficking and money laundering is bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's always all or nothing with you'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, no more bullshit than any mob front businessman'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will Ebay directors be prosecuted for allowing dangerous chinese fake apple charging units to be sold?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he just did it as freelance rather than being directly affiliated with a single family'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, this has no bearing whatsoever on websites like ebay'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it shouldn't, and it won't'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'despite what his mom says in a youtube video'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should the rules apply to him and not to ebay?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the rules do apply to ebay'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they follow the rules'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he didn't'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why have ebay not been prosecuted?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they comply with the law'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yet are still in breach of it'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, even now'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true, even now'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they take down listings and accounts all the time'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if someone complains'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so he shouldn't be prosecuted for ordering and paying for two hits on people?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the law doesn't say "nobody can ever do something illegal"...the law simply says that you must go to reasonable lengths'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should, dagnir'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's a lovely grey area'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'grey area?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is performed by ebay, and which he wouldn't have wanted to do because it formed the core basis of his business model'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hiring a hitman to kill two people is a "gray area"?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, dagnir, we're not talking about your hits'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you brought it up in the first place and said it was unfair'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that "the stuff was being pinned on him"'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'his site existed purely to broker illegal transactions, it's not that illegal transactions snuck in under the radar'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where was it hosted?'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, good night'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also - thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll probably go down for the hitman stuff, at best they should be able to get him for conspiracy'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't get him for hacking, or money laundering'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt they can get him trafficking'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm guessing the hiring a hitman probably carries a bigger sentence than all the other charges combined'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kim dotcom will suffer similar charges no doubt, as will anyone who tries to create p2p secure comms or generally private anything'
T3/r7/2014-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Georgia, middle schoolers violating the dress code is an act of terror now.'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Israel are taking advantage of the Iraq fighting to do a bit more ethnic cleansing in Gaza'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think they just take advantage of anytime aggressors in Palastine start something to go take a piece out of them'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm about sick of Israel playing to victim crime to try and justify their actions'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the holocaust was bad, but it's 75 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hear that.  I'm sick of my country reinforcing it by giving them aid every year'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, i'm sick of most things these days ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I mean, the Palastinians keep on poking the bear, I'm not really sympathetic to them, but if both sides are refusing to take a higher moral ground, I see no reason to throw our country's money into it'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not usually helpful to point fingers, but in this case Israel most definitely did start it'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you can chase "who started it" all the way back to 1945.  It's just generations of people upset over things the other country did.  You wind up killing someone you view as a threat, and ten of their family members become the next "terrorist"'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, this is true, but it was Israel that started it when they went about blowing up the British to try and cadge their own state'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'only thing going to ever fix it is either one side obliterates the other, or the UN steps in and enforces a nuetral zone for a generation or so till they chill out and move past all the bad history'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we gave up, handed it to the UN, who promptly caved in, gave them a state, and they then proceed to spend the next 50 years ethnically cleansing the indigenous Arabs'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think that's the real reason the US is so bent on making sure Iran doesn't have nukes: they probably would nuke Jerusalem after all the bloodshed of the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and justify it the same way we did Hiroshima: it'll be less deaths overall'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already do have nukes'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Isis capture an Iraq chemical weapons plant/store. What could possibly go wrong?'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right?  Used in enough numbers those can be just as dangerous'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad 'the west' is supporting such lovely people'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'we were pretty close to giving them enough air support to overrun Syria.  And it've been the same thing: disposing one dictator we dislike for a religious zealoutry we like even less'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just that, you've been training them and arming them'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'aye.  It's all fun and games till they turn on your allies'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget the huge leg up you gave them in Libya'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's one of the major gripes I have against our party system: both our front running parties support this nation building/regime change crap, and almost all the independent parties oppose it, but it's rigged so they can't possibly win an election without a major overhaul to our voting process'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and not to mention our constant support of really fucking bad regimes like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'aye, and its often rumored the Saudies are funding this ISIS thing too, so then it's like we're indirectly supporting them'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing afflicts the UK, don't expect it to change, best we can hope from is to try and insulate ourselves from the madness and refuse to be a part of it'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit more than rumours :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey too'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'yea but at least you guys don't spend so much of your budget on military crap, we're spending something like the next 20 largest militaries combined on our "department of defense", as we slash all our domestic budgets for the sake of "austerity"'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, though we do spend more than the minimum NATo amount'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and now we've got like 50000 unprocessed kids trying to come into the southern border from Honduras.  And you get all these opponents of immigration and I just look at it like, here's 50000 kids that actually want our help, but we're going to deport them so we can go fight someone else's war on the other side of the world'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's just all sorts of fucked'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'brown people are only okay in their own countries'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'duh'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wasn't aware Honduras was at war with anyone, those children are economic migrants, or as they're known in the UK: Welfare sponges'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have it on good authority from people who live on the southern border "Who the fuck is allowing us to all be drowned in illegal immigrants?" '
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and coming from a country who was party to unchecked immigration from poor countries, you really don't want to do this to yourselfs'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -will- screw you over in a big way'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CISA is a rehash of CISPA, the cyber spying bill that got shot down last year. Be aware, let's hope it gets shot down the same'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need players in more time zones then'
T3/r7/2014-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2014-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU court strikes down legislation requiring phone/isp companies to keep comms metadata for 12 months for government access. UK cabinet immediately tries to pass 'emergency' legislation to give themselves back the same powers'
T3/r7/2014-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is a fascist state, just like the USA, albeit a little better at PR'
T3/r7/2014-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, is it wrong to immediately chuckle and stereotype a victim who are described in the media as "24yr old pregnant mother of 5"?'
T3/r7/2014-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything newsworthy tonight?'
T3/r7/2014-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Berkeley, CA is giving out free marijuana if you're poor.'
T3/r7/2014-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Why is MSNBC claiming that there is a war going on in Honduras?'
T3/r7/2014-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 4'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel. What's the point of it?'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to thumb our noses at the other side'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'God sez, nuff said'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would it have been more peaceful in the long term if Hitler had successively eradicated the Jews?'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(hypothetical question)'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it would've been more peaceful if he had won WWII'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean that in the purest sense, because obviously it wasn't just the Jews he was targeting'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'yeah, sure, in the same way that it'd be more peaceful if the crusades had been done better'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'conquering almost always results in peace'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'or if the native americans had been able to repel european settlers'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the only way to bring peace to Israel and Palestine is to conquer them, now'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'or if napoleon had been able to take and keep russia'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hitler also targeted politicians, craftsmen, and even other enthic groups he felt were on the same level as the Jews (the Romani, muslims, etc)'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although hoskins makes a good smee'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it definitely would've been a lot more peaceful if HS Sapiens were held back by HS Neanderthalensis.'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is best placed to conquerst'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is best placed to conquer Israel and Palestine and bring peace?'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'That place won't be peaceful until it's depopulated and leveled I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was peaceful because the jews went back there and bombed and terrorised the BPA into creating a new state for them'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'I'd like nothing more than for isreal and palestine to bury the hatchet and live peacefully, but they both feel slighted and more or less hate eachother.'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, the Israelis started it'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://vimeo.com/50531435'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is vimeo so awful? (side-debate)'
T3/r7/2014-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subtle film though :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ut oh, ukraine has shelled a town on the Russian side of the border'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new study finds people who claim to worry about climate change use more electric that those who are skeptic'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of people killed by police in the US since 9/11 outnumbers the US troops killed in Iraq'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in cities like Seattle, as many as 20% of all homicides are carried out by cops'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder how much those statistics are influence by how they classify a homicide'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'whatd obama do?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was shit'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was nearly as shit as that fascist, Theresa May'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'as much as I don't like obama, I wonder if there shouldn't be a bigger outcry against the congress and the senate'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for what?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'yes, the republicans are the major problem in the House. Fortunately they're arleady getting an asskicking on their way out in November'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, they are a significant part of the government, and many of them have been in their seats longer than any president'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a split parliament, that's just the way it works sometimes'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you elect both houses'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but when you start pointing to all the things that the government does wrong, how much of it lies at their feet?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least they haven't exceeded their authority and broken the law'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we can talk about executive orders, etc.  As a group, no.'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, started one thought, then responded :D'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at worst you can accuse them of not agreeing with each other, which let's face it, isn't unusual'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just think they get a much larger pass than the president ever well'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think the demopublicans are ideologically worse than the republicrats, but since 95% of them seem to be in it for the graft, it's a close call.'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress has like a 9% approval rating, that doesn't sound like a pass. Din't the majority leader also recently get the boot?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but that's a rarity'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, Valerie Jarrett is the worst president since WW2.'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and congress has had a single digit rating for years'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's bad enough, they'll get booted, that's why you want to support grass roots organisations'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'And I have to double check, but pretty sure they've been in the low teens or below for decades'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress/senate also have the somewhat unenviable position of being in power during the end of American superpower status'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're going to get a kicking whatever they try and do'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'still some years to go'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'all I'm saying is that we get all upset over our presidents, we vote in a new party, but we seem to be much less critical of the other parties of government, even though we seem to say that we're even more unhappy with them'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'takes years, Tinada'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well..the decline started before I was born'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shouting always gets louder when things are getting shittier'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'as for China, I personally think they are going to peak and crash in the next decade'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though a friend was complaining about the fascist overtones in some movies, i did have to point out how movie watchers were quick to point it out on the silver screen, yet were willfully blind to it in real life'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly, tinada'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we will probably have some kind of war in the next 5 years'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'debt + inverted demographic pyramid + limits to authoritarion growth + environmental disaster = end to CCP rule, no matter how much indoctration they can ship'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'indoctrination, even'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the collapse is why they're militiarising and authoritarianising everything. Notice they're doing all the things they bitched about China doing 10 years ago?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love how 5 years of austerity and the UK government has barely knocked 20% off the deficit'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the US debt coming along?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's a national sport, here'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has it gone down at all?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm trying to think of something witty to say, but I'm failing.  So I'm just going to have to say, 'no''
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deficit down?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'as far as I know, no'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but we have ACA'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is totally goign to pay for itself'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth do americans think will happen?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they as dumb as the brits here who don't even know the difference between a debt and a deficit?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's for the future to worry about'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be none'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been trying to illustrate to a young friend about how UK's had a balance of payments deficit for decades, and how that has led to foreigners buying up just about every bit of real estate, business, infrastructure we have'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only have we a deficit and a huge debt, but there just isn't anything to pay it with'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically means huge inflation and much higher taxes'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to get your ammo in and arm up for civil unrest'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, there's a shortage of ammo here :D'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here, nobody is allowed guns'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so then you have 0% gun crime, right?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, we have gun crime'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take out gang crime and mexican-border related crime and the UK has a higher violent crime rate than the uSA'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hey Tigernuts, is the UK seriously talking about banning cigarette sales to anyone born after 2000, or is that a plan that is going nowhere?'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people born after 2000 should already be banned from buying cigarettes for the next 4 years...'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes, but they were going to contiune it, (miminum age would effectively keep going up until no one could buy them)'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hadn't heard that'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'sort of solves the problem of all the addicted people who suddenly wouldn't be able to get cigarettes with a straight ban.'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's probably been suggested by some Doctors group, they're the ones that usually suggest banning them, or taxing sugar, or wrapping everyone in bubble wrap'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you hadn't heard it I assume it isn't getting any traction.'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the BBC can be trusted to print every fart that comes out of the Doctors POlitical Groups'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they didn't, so it probably wasn't even them'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't enforce such a plan anyway'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and despite them being a bunch of Nazi's, the government realise they're already fighting against a ever more liberal public'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does beg the question: with all the debt, all the poison, all the wars, why are they obsessed with a tiny minority smoking fags/'
T3/r7/2014-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, US deficit works out smaller per head than the UK's right now'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in Livingston IL, Homeland Security sent a blackhawk helicopter, mulitple armored vans and dozens of heavily armed federal agents.... to arrest one guy who downloaded child porn'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, House price inflation in the UK hits 10.9%, inflation generally by the corrupt fucked up government measure is 1.9%'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'If it's like the housing market in most countries, it'll probably be -5% 6 months from now.'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'housing is always volitale'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never dropped, here, it was stagnant for about 18 months during the crisis and that was about it. We have a chronic shortage of housing, so it won't drop'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or put another way, the value of the pound will drop further than any potential drop in house value'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Yeah, sucks to have 1% of the land that the US does.'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1% of the land, 20% of the population'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz nods.
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could use a catastrophe to wipe 90% of the out, imho'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but you have the best Top Gear'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not for much longer'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'It's OK, I still get BBC America'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the socialist press keeps trying to get the cast fired and the series ended, it won't be long before they succeed'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I mean, it's a car show in the UK.  It's not like a show that highlights awesome cars is going to make the UK look good'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that's kept it on the air at all is all the money the BBC makes from it. They might be a thinly disguised communist party propaganda machine, but they like their moollah'
T3/r7/2014-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't polish a turd, Madcatz'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, Obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone got a topic to rant wildly about?'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean you don't have one?'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consider it like taking requests, but i invite others to have one :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the scientists out there: http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0701117v1.pdf'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Without any clan obligation, why would anyone want to pup before getting to T9? Go. :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are we talking strictly pups and the stuff you can buy with the gold/trains you get therein, or are you including qps and campaigns (and all the other rewards therein) with it?'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well I guess everything. More broadly: I'm convinced there's no real reason for me to stick around at T2/R+7, 201. However, people pup at any time and then tier again some day down the road. I know there's usually clan obligations (which I have none). I'd like to hear any counter argument though.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorvez: 'wittle down some of the grind once you get t9? building up a nice hp/mana base to hit the ground running, gold run, larger pool of potential groupies and meeting new people, taking part of the epic areas'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorvez: 'you wont see t9 until 2045 and want to see what the sitting thing is about before that'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, being that you already tiered (and assuming you aren't slow tierer who somehow still has an instinct rebuild event waiting for them), no need to pup for instinct.  You CAN pup for hp/mana/moves, but there's no real necessity for that now that every r7 at every tier can save 100% of their hp/etc for next tier.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Nah, I just banked all my trains many morts ago. Good arguments.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that leaves other sinks you're interested in.  Got all the gear you want to get?  Got all the wishes you want to get?  Are you itching for a manor, or if you have one already, for some particular upgrade?  What about area knowledge (general familiarity, goals/aqs, etc)?'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know there are some SH goals that can be all-but-completed by a t0, but which have a "boss mob" at the end designed with at least t2 in mind (Takeda, Nyne, etc).  If you're into goalsolving, and haven't already sifted through, you could do that, pupping for no other reason than to train stats enough to make success a reality.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Makes sense, makes sense. I was acting under the assumption though that if you just want to accumulate QP for wishes, manor pots, etc. .. that the levelling path is better since leveling is easier at lower levels in general.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'questing isn't that tough at SH, aside from unfortunate selections in hard areas like crynn or wyrm.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You get extra XP per quest at higher tiers, admittedly only 1 per quest but those could add up.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'campaigns are another matter entirely, simply because pretty much each cp is likely to have at least one mob you can't actually get to on a solo basis, but you can easily get around that with grouping.'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Yeah, that would mean that if you want to CP - you're better off levelling the DjDoodles "revolving door" way (just keep going around)'
T3/r7/2014-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'overall, unless bartlett is already somehow factoring tier into target selection, a good 90-95% of all targets are going to be soloable in every sense of the word for a t0r0.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'was the Malasian Airline plane shot down over Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'Is it posible to have an invisible magical light that is uselful?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a passenger airline gets shot down in eastern ukraine, the suggestion so far is the rebels accidentally shot it down. Why is the media not asking the single most obvious question?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'The most important question being: WAS THIS CONNECTED TO BENGHAZI???? WHAT DOES THIS DO TO HILLARY'S CHANCES IN 2K16???'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Puppied Oladon: '... 2k16? Is that somehow easier to type/say than 2016?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'It's more xtreme and marketable that way. Kids love it.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Puppied Oladon: 'Uh-huh...'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually the question i would pose is: They ground entire fleets of Boeing 777's for days at a time because a battery overheats, they redirect planes because of bad weather, why the fuck would they allow one to fly over a warzone where 5 other planes have been shot down in the last 2 weeks?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which genius allowed this?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the only person questioning it is one Captain Sullenberger, veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the HUdson landing, an aviation expert'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Raded: 'Enter: Captain Hindsight! Okay, turning debate back off now. Peace out.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no-one on TV is asking the sensible questions, they're too busy trying to pin the blame on Russia'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps the plane was insured'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Malaysian Airlines planes probably aren't insurable at this point'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'ouch .. yeah '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, while we're distracted, Israel's started some good old fashioned genocide in Gaza'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly being the victims of holocaust 75 years ago gives them justification to visit years of pain on other people who had nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'how is it genocide if isreal told gaza citizens to get out?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'has nothing to do with them lobbing tockets .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they have nowhere to go, Howls'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'because clearly you would let your neighbor throw turds over your fence daily while doing nothing about it.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vellius: 'off'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be throwing turds over your fence if you'd moved that fence onto my land'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'ld move my fence onto your land if you tried to invade my house.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this the point you try and pretend Israel is the victim?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'that was infered a while back Tiggy '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'is this the point where you try to pretend that Islam is the religion of peace?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never pretended that, xistence, it's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Hamas tries to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible.  Israel tries to avoid killing civilians.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying really hard'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'human shield policy is norm for those types .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'Isreal is not a perfect solution to an otherwise screwed up situation in the middle east, but they atleast allow for tolerance within their boundaries... no matter religion.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit, they've been ethnically cleansing since 1948'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they wanted to stop the rocket attacks then they could meet Hamas conditions for a ceasfire, which was an immediate cessation of building settlements on occupied lands, and a lifting of the blockade'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone would think they were asking the world'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hamas has stated over and over again that their goal is to push the Jews into the sea.  They will not recognize Israel's right to exist.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'Meeting the conditions only allows Hamas to rebuild their stockpile, so they can restart what they do each and everytime they open the blockades.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'better to let it escilate and get it over and done with .. it is war .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then expect casualties'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: '^'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'they sling rockets till they run out, then play the victim... and then rebuild just to do it all over again.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'simplest answer is for isreal to just destroy the hamas before anyone else can react. easier to deal with the consequences later'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they get no benefit from destroying hamas'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd rather continue this pointless tit for tat game'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok destroying hamas would be very difficult and impractica., but it would be a HUGE benefit to Israel.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Sun Tsu had a lil to say on poloticians running military affairs .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could always send a peace envoy over, because they work well'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xistence: 'lets be honest, they'd rather peace... and to have hamas recognize and respect them.  If Isreal destroys Hamas they will become responsible for all the refugees they create.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'well they will send peace envoy's but nobody really expects much.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course not'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about Israel and Gaza both get turned into glass parking lots. Job done'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'imagine if the world was like 12th century isreal would just kill everyone in gaza'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: '10/10 war is too complex now'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'can hardly call it war'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of the benefits of the eradication of the entire area'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'more land for isreal?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there wouldn't be any Israel, Howls'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'israel*'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why stop there, along with Gaza and Israel, take out Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, and Bahrain - you've then eliminated the lion share of the threat to the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'there we go problem solved'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HowlsCastle: 'a problem*'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one less problem :-) a quite costly problem at that'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've learnt something else. Russian anti-aircraft defences work'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok on to the Ukraine, how much trouble will the seperatits get in for probably shooting down a civilian jet?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'we dont know who shot it down yet'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'blame early , consider later .. we need headlines dammit !'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'CNN reports that Russian media is reporting that the Ukraine was trying to shoot down Putin, and accidently hit a civilian plane.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like RT reporting on a Daily Mail story'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I missed the reference, id the Daily Mail reputable?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think for now i'll go with the most likely story, the rebels accidentally shot it down because some arsehole in the aviation authority thought it'd be a great idea to send passenger jets over a warzone'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the message to take away is: the people in charge of your safety are morons'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or at the kindest, "fallable")'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'there is nothing as uncommon as common sense .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah after they Ukranians lost a transport plane that should have been a major red flag.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'transport plane in particular because it was shot down from a significant height. They also lost two fighters and a couple of helicopters recently, too'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'apparently the airliner was 1000 ft above a "safe zone" '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no safe zone'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'no shit . just an airline trying to save money taking the crow fles flight route '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I guess MH370 cost them alot of money. They need to save.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have been a choice the airline makes, should be a choice that air traffic control makes'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'air traffic control across borders .. interesting  '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the airspace should have been closed, tzad'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'they did. a NOTAM avoiding airspace under 32k I believe'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly inadequate, dp'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'it's an advisory. the pilot may have chosen to devitate to shave airtime..'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and the airliner was shot down 1k ft above that .. profit mongers not wanting to close the route '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they have themselves to blame'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'we'll know through the black boxes what the pilots were thinking.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'if the russians doesn't fuck it up'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in their interests to fuck it up'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the plus side, the stock market was spooked, so some people will make a bunch of money'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the pilots just doing the job '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'probably Tzad, following company orders.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware you can no longer import AK-47's into the USA?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It's ok Tiger we have plenty of weapons.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and if planned  short sell like 9/11 fund ur activities for a while '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good job'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't on the scale of 9/11, tzad'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'amazing how the Ukraine had completely dropped off of US televison the last two months.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why's it amazing?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'AK owner in Australia .. ... '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's old news'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It was an active news story with plenty of stuff going on.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US creates problems elsewhere in the world, destabalises it, causes fights, move onto the next country'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be the same news every night though'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the sheeple want pic and new stuff ! '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I didn't hear about the Ukraine losing a transport until today.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'sells advertising '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the UK didn't hear about 5000 pro-palestinians protesting outside BBC studios yesterday, either'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably heard about Microsoft shedding 18,000 jobs though?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably also heard about Beyonce's MTV nominations'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'did those protesters get a visa check ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK, Tzad, people don't get visa checks, they let any old criminal in'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Australia here .. thats how our counrty was foundered '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'we only too criminals .. :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be fair though, Tzad, Australias founders were mostly guilty for being impoverished without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like the offence they brought in the UK after 9/11 of "Being black without due care and attention"'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'never has a ship voyage been so cheap as a loaf of bread ..  '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'they shipping em to Gaza ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't export anything, it's why we're so poor'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'we don't value add to the resuorces . is why we will be poor .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you've booted that lame carbon tax into touch'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'yeah  .. and plan to give a personal rebate rather than put it all into reknewable energy .. smart move . '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'm off, let's hope our leaders can lay off provoking more violence until morning'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our 'dear' leaders'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'good to see you still active Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dittos'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'this court is now in session'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'The court is dismissed.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaleesi points HE did it!
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I object :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'IT Was HIM I saw HIM!'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'And what did he do...?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'THAT MAN over THERE '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: '"IT"'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which court?  Night court, drug court, family court, tennis court, food court?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): <pretitle> Scars points at you! How rude.
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'uuuh are we doing this right?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'He's a Dirty Bird.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain points excitedly at Some Guinness!
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Was that the culprit?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'Food court ...Ill bite. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'him with the suspicious face ! he did it .. trial by peers .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'Hiyooooooo'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Ok, who is the peanut gallery?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean, who isn't?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'True.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'It was Professor Plum with the wrench in the Library.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'alright .. I'm Guilty .. but I don't feel it .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'insanity ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I swear, it was Miss Scarlet, with the rope AND the candlestick!'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'i condemn you to five minutes in the naughty corner'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'By herself.'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'we in court not a porn movie .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'woohoo!  I win!'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaleesi: 'GASP the naugty corner? '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'wait... couldnt it be BOTH things?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a nice selection of courtroom porn spoofs, yes'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's even one about Judge Judy'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Hans directed most of em :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'the subject of debate, judge judy porn, rock it or dont rock it. go'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'naw, my pole isn't long enough to hang from the director's chair yet'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ketta: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I like the premis od a "penalty " .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snowangel Tzadkiel assumes the role of executioner .. 
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '"right how's been naughty .. " '
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'can we form a firing squad instead?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which of you all would be shooting blanks?'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'deb flirting is hardcore .. try goss chan :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snowangel Tzadkiel comforts Hans for still shooting in 8mm 
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instructions on a stick of antiperspirant: To get most out of product, push up bottom'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daikojun: 'see, I'm not saying people are stupid, I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the issue sort itself out...'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'You can't because if you don't point out the obvious, someone will find a silly reason to just sue you - because why? Because apparently your company is filthy rich and doesn't need any of its $.'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'complaining about the litigation culture?'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you basically brought it on yourself, it started in the USA and spread from there'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'no, blaming people because they're rich and you want their money is a Marxist idea.. so your continent buddy'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, we didn't start it'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and USA really is going the fastest in the descent towards Marxism atm, in a race with Europe'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'europe will win that race'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably won't because there are multiple governments involved'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'technically the USA has 51 governments.... '
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is way ahead in terms of the militarised police'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state government is dead'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't feel bad, the countries in the Euro zone are likewise now toothless'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're all in the shit and it's going to be a bumpy ride, best we can hope for is a gigantic world war'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of pointless posturing and threatening rhetoric coming out of the west today vs Russia but the fact remains, some idiot flew a passenger airliner over a warzone, and either the Ukrainians or the Rebels shot it down. The Ukrainians have been putting out fake propoganda today, and also there've been unconfirmed and probably not true reports that the plane was being flanked by two Ukrainiand jets up until a few minutes before the incident'
T3/r7/2014-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tonight, the BBC's biggest concern for some obscure reason is that the crash site isn't secure'
T3/r7/2014-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'rhavage is an imperialist pig!'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a power gap?'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, western narrative on MH17 starts to look a little shakey'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, Israel is continuing it's weapons-development-through-testing-them-on-kids-in-Gaza policy'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also wage gap'
T3/r7/2014-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose wage gap?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Nearly all of the highest-profile domestic terrorism plots in the United States since 9/11 featured the "direct involvement" of government agents or informants, a new report says. Some of the controversial 'sting' operations "were proposed or led by informants", bordering on entrapment by law enforcement." '
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.hrw.org/node/127456 - not a happy report. UK is headed the same way, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, a very interesting (if badly translated read) from the Russian equivalent of the CFR: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Friss.ru%2Fanalitika%2F3379-ukrainskij-krizis-opasnosti-i-ugrozy'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woopsy, key piece of video evidence for russian responsibility of malaysian plane has been debunked by.... of all people... facebook users!'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'where at?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'let me wear my tinfoil hat!'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fyi, sneak, video showing a buk launcher being transported, claimed by the west as evidence that the rebels had one, was actually a ukrainian launcher filmed in ukrainian held territory. It was featured in a Russian military briefing and evidence handed to the investigators'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can watch the briefing here'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://player.rutv.ru/iframe/video/id/822433/acc_video_id/610598/isPlay/false/time_play/1/http://player.rutv.ru/iframe/video/id/822433/acc_video_id/610598/isPlay/false/time_play/1/'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/mwfavk8'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'can you trust that source?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no more than you can trust any others. This is an information gathering stage, stuff is being found out, stuff is being debunked'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it sounds like you trust it anyway'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is an official russian military briefing though, so the 'source' is fine, is it propaganda? almost certainly'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i trust nobody :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that everyone can agree on so far is that flight MH17 crashed after stupidly flying over a warzone resulting 290odd people died'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else is unconfirmed evidence, speculation, propaganda, fabrication, or lies'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yep, stupid. Airspace should have been closed'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'stupidly is a bit harsh. people fly over warzones all the time, because they expect that no rebel force will be able to shoot 10K high.'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'just thought about the way you presented that link. You said something was claimed by west, but actually it was in another way like that russian site said. Indicates that seem more inclined to believe the russian propaganda over the western'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, lachdanan, did they fly over north vietnam? iraq?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'they flew over Afghanistan.'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your interpretation, ElFeneri, that isn't backed up by the facts. The western state media had been using the photos as 'proof', now debunked like the audio recordings between a rebel and a russian special forces guy. This will happen'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're probably foolish for doing that too'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'my interpretation indeed'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insofar as who do i believe? well neither side are trustworthy, but certainly NATO has form'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so you are not more inclined to believe the russians over the west?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer to see where the evidence leads, but you cannot deny it's the west doing the fingerpointing'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they sure do that, just like the rebels and russians says it was the ukranians that shot it down'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'russian media reportet it was shot down by ukranin army who thought that Putin was on that plane'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'reported*'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's telling that the BBC today have started moderating their rhetoric in the face of new information. They had been saying that the rebels shot it down, they're now reporting that it is being blamed on the rebels'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russian media, or russian government?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'media, but are they not controlled?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, but you can get away with lying through the media, much harder to do so as a government'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nods'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not sure why it's so important to get hold of the black boxes. They will certainly not reveal from where the missile came'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you then need to keep a tight reign on lunatics like McCain, Feinstein and Reid in case they say stupid shit... which they have'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will record if they had to make a detour, and might give some insight into whether there was a ukrainian fighter shadowing them as RUssian radar suggests'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what is important is to get access to crash site before anyone removes the evidence and residues of the missle that brought it down'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've had access to the crash site for some time, there should be no issue there short of bleating'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but unfortunately the rebel forces will not let investigators get unlimited access'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a fib, they're there right now'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they were not allowed to go where they wanted the first days'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have something to do with there being a war going on'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or that they were busy removing rests from teh missle'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'missle'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'the crash site was tampered with before any officials arrived anyway'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it was, locals were mucking around there right from the get go, which is inevitable if you can't get a large police presence to the site very quickly'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the wreckage being strewn over 9km and no active policeforce means that was never going to happen in any circumstances'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, the USA has satellite tracking of any missiles launched, they'll know exactly where they were launched from and can happily submit that information for scrutiny'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'are you sure about that?'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ukraine atc can release all the flight data for scrutiny'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, ElFeneri, I am'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'okay'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't, but they could'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in happier news, Rick the Dick Perry is sending national guard to the Mexico border, and in the UK Police use of Tasers is under scrutiny'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loks like the ACA has had it....'
T3/r7/2014-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Federal Court of Appeals has struck down federal subsidies for all except the state exchanges'
T3/r7/2014-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like US government now backpedalling rapidly from earlier accusations that RUssia was involved in the shooting down of MH17, suggests abound that they're now trying to cover up that it was the Ukrainians by suggesting it was a Ukrainian defector'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'Isis is not a nice group. FGM should be an international crime.'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, not crash hot on the idea of them trying to outlaw cryptocurrencies on the grounds that "terrorists could use them"'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the ukrainian prime minister and his entire cabinet resign'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'russia bombing ukraine for real'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'really ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'source?'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'reuteers'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'link ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'well.. pentagon:p'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they said they'd retaliate if any mortars strayed across the border again, and they'd be within their rights to'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'how long until the UN moves to back Ukraine .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm seeing Israel bombing a UN school in Gaza killing 15, not seeing Russia attakcing Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/24/russia-fired-ukraine_n_5618189.html?utm_hp_ref=world'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be a good time to do it, too, what with the collapse of the ukrainian government'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, huffpost, i thought it was a credible source :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy on the money '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the best!'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'time..'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we'll put that in the unconfirmed pile, along with the "US has pictures of the Buk launcher that launched the missiles that downed MH17"'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i could quite believe both, they're still unsubstantiated'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when do sanctions on USA start because of Israel?'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'never happen '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'noone sanctions the US'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course not, politicians are hypocrits'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dustpuppy: 'noone expects the spanish inquisition'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the collapse of the ukrainian government, now would be a good time to sue for peace'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'you mean cave in to Russia ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i mean come up with some kind of federal solution'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or autonomous region'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure what constitutes "caving in to Russia" in this case'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'meaning the reigon becomes Russian'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the region is already russian'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Ukraine is not a soverign nation ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not at the moment, no'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been since the legitimately elected government was overthrown in a US funded coupe'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Ahh I believed the hype .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's essentially been in a state of civil war since'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its not a civil war. its a sneaky invasion'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a civil war'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'invasion'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sneaky'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'nothing civil bout war .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'is Ukraine resource rich ? or of some value ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'farming land'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the eastern part has those mines'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shale gas reserves'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil pipelines'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'gas, coal'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'liebenstraum .. livingspace .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ports'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'gas is not yet available'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'OK .. so it's not a test .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'ports .. I get that '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'would you rather be an ape or a monkey?'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'new topic, not insult:p'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'lemur .. :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they are cute'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and randy as hell :P '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'monkeys are annoying. apes are sorta sad'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'compare the chimpanze with the lemur in social structure .. lemurs Rock !'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'being randy all the time can be a curse.'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'lemurs have a special place in my heart .. first time I couls argue  against the "lesbian is unnnatural" arguement was with lemurs :D'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'chimps are very lesbian'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'rape and murder are a part of chimp culture .. not part of lemur culture .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'by far the better social structure .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'once the evolution give big enough brains, the animals start using them creatively'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nothing wrong with that *hic*'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'lol I was searching for a pun  on the same lines , you beat me :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal bows deeply.
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snowangel Tzadkiel finger vost
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers intently at Snowangel Tzadkiel.
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'soz was wondering if you were still there .. and primed for deb .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a neat peace today on the BBC about a group of women who are starting an anti-feminist movement'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i gave a resounding cheer and thumbs up to them'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'equal rights .. all anyone ever wanted .. imo '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern feminism being a social engineering tool deployed on the slow witted and simple minded in order to control and divide society'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different to racism, religionism, or gayism'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to debate, tzad/'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'was just perk the Ukraine  ... civil war '
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'good to see you still round Tiggy :) the chann lives :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh well'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ukraine usually descends into a "you just hate the west and are pro russia"'
T3/r7/2014-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I'm of that ilk .. but interested in the process '
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate the Turkish regime and their dictator, Erdogan, but he did come out with a classic statement that was abouton the money today'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'what he say?'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"[Israelis] have no conscience, no honor, no pride. Those who condemn Hitler day and night have surpassed Hitler in barbarism," said Erdog(an. He accused Israel of rejecting ceasefires that Hamas has proposed and "spitting death, spitting blood."'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'surpassed hitler.... Kden '
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a flavour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6hcC-rKLGo'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Given that Gaza is the world's biggest prison, and houses 1.7 million people, Erdogan isn't far from the truth, especially once they start bumping them off in great numbers'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Netanyahu has a way to go yet, though'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'spiders. pure evil?'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like Putin?'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SaplingGuy: 'gets rid of other bugs and insects for us'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'http://memebinge.com/uploads/seems-reasonable-shoot-spider-with-pistol-mb.jpg'
T3/r7/2014-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i shot a wasp once. then the other wasp stung me'
T3/r7/2014-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bell Labs researchers broke the internet speed record over copper lines.....10 gigs per second.'
T3/r7/2014-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bell Labs researchers just broke the broadband Internet speed record. It is eight times faster than the previous record -- and it was done over copper landlines.  With speeds of 10 gigabits per second, Bell Labs' technology proved to be 1,000 times faster than traditional broadband speeds'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, federal judge strikes down DC's ban on handguns. What's the betting they ignore the ruling'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'yes lets ban "assault weapons", handguns, knives over six inches in length, rape the constitution, and give every police officer in the country body armor AND ar15's'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'i like where this is going'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'with all due resepct, 2USAmend's intent was to have the citizenry armed against a possible attack by the government. It was not intended to have gun users attack other citizens.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'which is what they are being used for.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'social darwinism ? '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'and criminals dont follow gunlaws, not to mention the rising rate of government attacks on citizens'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, I haven't seen any troops marching down Main street yet. Perhaps the Main street in your town has had them.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'regardless, you can have all the gun control you want or all the uncontrolled ones, just don't invoke the 2nd amendment because that is not its intent.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'just say "I like to kill therefore I want to be armed" :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'at the very least you'll get points for honesty :>'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I live in Australia and strict gun laws .. I can stil buy pretty much what ever I want but is sub rosa .. at least if legal I am known .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the hot topic in the US are not handguns, they want to use 2USAmend to justify assault weapons.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'so you think civillians should be banned from carrying any kind of gun because troops arent martching in the streets yet, sounds legit'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Because we should be allowed to own any gun we wish? :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I own an AK - 47 for home defence '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'as long as you allow me to carry bazookas, I have no problem with what you carry.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'carry a concealed brain'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so why not a few SAMs, too? Just in case they come by helicopter.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'please dont be one of those oh god'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'home invasion . I want anything ove a bazooka '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'park a Sgt. York on you front yard, have some claymores seeded in you backyard and you are as good as rain.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and if you don't like the guy knocking at your door, release some nerve gas. You will be untouchable.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'I can't afford any of that, not after I ordered my bazooka lmao'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'some people actually live in neighborhoods where break ins happen man'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yeah, it happens in all neighborhoods.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'SWAT was in my backyard a year ago, raiding the house 2 yards over..'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but while those who arm themselves for protection wait for an invasion, they meander down the street and shoot some kid who they thought was about to mug them.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Good, one less person for me to worry about mugging me. :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the operative word was "thought"'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'You do know that happens very rarely right?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'of course, if you are going to protect yourself, preemptive attacks are the best protection.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'so youre say... if you own a gun, youre probably going to go out and shoot a child with it?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Lets talk about gun control within police forces.. shooting dogs and kids..'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure, it happens very rarely, SnoWolf? What difference does  that make to the dead person?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'So, one person's mistake justifies condeming everyone else to getting really mugged? That's wonderful logic.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'i find anti gun arguments rarely contain logic'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'tbh I'm not gonna accept some limp wristed touchy feely solution to something I can prevent .. I jog early in the morning and I live rural .. a while  away from police response .. not gonna be the girl that didn't wear armor or didn'r have the capabilitiy to dfend .. would rather jail'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you can say the eulogy: Rest in peace my friend and take comfort in the fact that this doesn't happen very often.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'People who make that mistake, typically lose their right to own a firearm for life. So it's one and one for that person. Sucks for them, "too bad you looked suspicious and that MrCrazy shot you for no reason" But I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone make the argument that just because "it does happen" that I shouldn't carry a firearm for MY protection.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'damn straight, Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'and if I shoot someone on accident, that's on me, I wouldn't expect anyone else to give up their gun over it either'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so you claim that you are afraid, so the solution is to shoot anyone you figure is planning to harm you. Of course, you will not let any of your personal prejudices influence whom you shoot.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'see, there you. You kill soeone and it's "oops, my bad". Is that going to raise the person from the dead?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Owning and carrying a gun does not in any way imply that that person is going to just "shoot anyone" wtf'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but they do'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'nobody said anthing about shooting randoms lol'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'It's black or white isn't it? No gray, none at all.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnapDragon Shazam pulls out a shotgun ready to shoot zombies!
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not random, someone whom you think it's out to get you. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you just happen to be wrong about the intent. But hey, better safe than sorry.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'what if people ARE out to get you? what then?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I'll never have a firearm licence and body armor is illegal  in Australia .. Krav Maga training and some good firends a re a counter . and I jog  when and where I want .. oviuous not in  no go zones .. but I have my freedom back .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'I've had several credible death threats in recent years. I haven't just shot the person who's made it when they're walking down the street. Better believe I'm wary, but I'm not trigger happy.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, that's a good argument for shooting anyone. I shot him just in case, Your Honor. Case dismissed.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'don't forget to send flowers to the family. The least you could do, unless you know how to resurrect people... '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'answer the question. what do you do when you are one hundred percent sure that you are being robbed or someone is breaking into your house?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Aphelion, who have you lost to a random shooting?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'accidental shooting is not the issue .. spree kills is the issue .. imo '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't  know what I would do, I do know I am not going to just shoot someone because I think they are going to do something to me. Those thoughts a laced with prejudice, they are based on one's conception of who will harm them, without any connection to reality.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Wilding if they are smaller than me I'll just take em down , if male , they wear a bullet . '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'you dont know what you would do if you were being robbed? Kden'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, so that's one prejudice, any man near you is in  danger of being shot if you happen to think they are harmful.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'That can be said about anyone ever Aphelion, I guarantee my car is just as dangerous, and if someone is following me and I didn't have a gun, I'd run them over. Guess you'd better ban cars too..'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I'm 5'6" and 65 kg .. not many thugs that size '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Or my knife, it's only got a 3 inch blade, but that's long enough to hit most arteries'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Or my pen or pencil.. >.>'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the point is that you don't know who the thug is, but you are going  to take out someone whom you think is a thug, regardless.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'You're not making a good argument that targets guns specifically, just seem anti-self-defense'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I am anti- having to worry about getting shot by some paranoid moron while I walk down the street.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'at this point you dont even have an argument, aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'have you ever been mugged?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'How about a paranoid moron behind the wheel of a 2000+lb vehicle?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'OR do you just look like a creep who follows people and seems intimidating?'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, no. I am hard to mug :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'bottom line there are going to be incidents in ur life where you need a force multiplyer .. and if ur a law abiding citizen  (for the most part ) then . if it's warranted .. you need the best you can afford .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but, if you shoot me you are the mugger.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'well i have and it sucks, but having a weapon helps so ill keep my guns thanks'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Not everyone is hard to mug. And It's not a mugging if they don't touch you or take anything ;p'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'havent shot one kid yet bro '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure, and if you make a mistake and kill someone who had no idea you existed but happen to be in your radar, then no big deal, shit happens.'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you are just an agent of the grim reaper :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Fucking right, kill 'em all, let god sort them out'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'have a good evening :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Err, sorry ^.^;'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'yup unncle sam trained me well mwahaha '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'nah .. I risk years in jail to feel safe .. and that sux .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Wife Snowolf: 'Hooah'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'semper fi do or die! Hooah hooah gung-ho!'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'that debate was over anyway. 'ive never been the victem of a violent crime but i think guns should be banned because gun owners MIGHT use them to shoot children' is not a valid standpoint'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'I'm batshit crazy .. anyone that knows me wil atest to that but I keep an AK-47 a tmone and jog with a 10mm colt and kevlar .. and I have to associate with criminals to arm both weaps .. .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'wouldrather not associate with criminals .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'but its hard out here for a pimp, word'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'lol I have a normal job .. normal .. well sorta life ..  just jane doe citizen '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'jusat not gonna get raped cause I don't carry . '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'but youre not six feet tall and 200 pounds so you want to feel safe when you jog, thats fair'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'seriously'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'sux that I get years jail for ensurring my saftey '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Aust gun laws suck .. emd of story .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'and hot tip .. you want kevlar .. model jets .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'winf rots .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'wing rots .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'wing roots .. '
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnapDragon Shazam: 'got to thank jacob zuma also'
T3/r7/2014-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'she was hannah montanna when Bush was president. thanks obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, in California, the homeless are to be rounded up and locked up in FEMA camps'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those are for happy children!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently being homeless is a crime in some parts of the USA'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there was a woman who's 'ambition' was to be a begger.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good money in it'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'certainly. and for nothing but your dignity, if you ever had any.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beggars in London had been said to be making upwards of $200 a day while also claiming welfare'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of jobs aren't dignified, as is living off welfare'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so John Kerry got punked by the Israelis today, have you guys had enough of them yet?'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing a nice big nuke dropped on Tel Aviv wouldn't solve, I guess'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rampager: 'Wow this channel exists!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Looks like Rampager is lying again. Time to let everyone know!
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rampager laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost gasps as he realizes what Rampager did.
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once you're done nuking Israel, then nuke Sweden'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri raises an eyebrow at Tigernuts's weird actions.
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then Germany'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Heeey! Don't nuke sweden. We're neutral!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to go, you set a bad example to stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri fluffles Tigernuts's fur mercilessly.
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, even us Merkins know that the neutral one is Switzerland and not Sweden (just don't ask us to point y'all out on a map)'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok I'll alsk, why nuke Sweeden?'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't even find your own states on a map, generally'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The El Drakoth: 'less nukes more love'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'We're neutral too!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Because Tiger likes to nuke and dislikes Sweden I suspect'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'We let the nazis use our railway, until they started losing, then we didn't anymore. See? Neutral.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't dislike Sweden, but they always pointed to by socialists as the epitome of socialism'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes, Engelbrekt division. But as a thanks the germans send us a V2 rocket prototype. It landed in Småland.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ilyadus: 'Cleanest streets in the world!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy to have clean streets when you don't have many people'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'how dare you have clean streets!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so go nuke those socialists instead and you won't hear it again'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Sweden is great, except for the taxes. The taxes suck. :('
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ilyadus: 'Lots of people clean streets...Pay a tax...If you throw something on the ground lol'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's socialism, there are no tax :-)'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Kalles Kaviar is also great. You don't find that in many other places. Just like salty licorice. Yes, Sweden is amazing!'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ilyadus: 'Tell me that when you actually go to Sweden.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and I'm not so sure about these clean streets you're talking about. I've seen clean streets in Singapore and in Las Vegas. In Sweden they look like streets look anywhere else.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, nuke em :-), but only after Israel'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Nah, I hate long waits. Start with Sweden if you really have to to it.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you hate long waits? you'd be no good in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we excel at long waits'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a patient people?'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The queueing capitol of the world. :D'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Nah, they're just orderly and polite.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm convinced having no options can be equated to being patient'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Almost like us swedes. It takes us 4-5 thank yous to make a purchase at the grocery store.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as of 2011, Sweden spent more as a percentage of GDP on health than the UK'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's not such a bad thing to have a capacity for standing in line. I remember going through a border in S America and people just rushed the customs willy nilly. It didn't seem to make anything go faster.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while queing at homeland nutgroping entering America, the mexicans and south americans were pushing in and queue jumping, it nearly caused a fight'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they grew bored of traditional queing'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't think they got bored. I don't think they knew the concept at all.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were just rude arseholes'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Tell you the truth, I don't even think they were rude. They just didn't know queueing. It was foreign to them.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'maybe it was a mix of rude, ignorant and impatient people.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, Sweden gets a reprieve, must nuke Mexico'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri wipes his brow with obvious relief.
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Find when it's in Mexico, or S America. I'd just rather they didn't bring the behavior to the States.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'fine*'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now another 3m on the way'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Kind of nice up where I live. Very few illegal immigrants. Not much to draw them here. A temporary reprieve, probably.'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'interesting: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/07/23/1409860111'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'P-nas.org? lOL'
T3/r7/2014-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that was your first impression of the url :)'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war hasn't yet been decalred in all directions'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some serious exaggeration of Ebola going on in the media tonight'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the fucked up news of the night award goes to the story where 6 vehicles full of DHS agents raided a house and seized ....... a 25yr old Land Rover Defender'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because..... it fails to comply with CO2 regulations ...... despite having a classic car exemption'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to think of a situation where they'd do that here... ic an't think of one, i think your federal government has gone a bit off the rails'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'the sad thing about that story is that it more than likely actually happened'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well law enforcement in the USA seems to be going down the "steal things for personal and professional gain" route'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were you, i'd want to nip that in the bud'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's something you can fix at the state level with a law making civil confiscation illegal'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a turf war between state troopers + sheriffs and the feds would be a pretty good ting'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'cops are corrupt everywhere you go, the poliece arent the problem in this country more than the fact that the federal government lets these agencies do whatever the hell they want with not one finger wagged to date'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing you as people can do is take action at a local/state level. The feds are untouchable by virtue of the fact your voting power is diluted by the haemoraging mass of criminally retarded people that occupy most countries'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know if the UK is in any better state: we have considerably more draconian and vague laws on the book, it's just the police are much quieter about using them'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'things need to change but i assure you that things have to get much worse before here before they are going to get any better. '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much worse?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'honest opinion'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your dishonest opinion is of little use to anyone'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'damn near an american holocaust'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well then we're of similar opinions, humanity essentially needs almost wiping out before normality can resume'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'peace starts at home Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'too many people are in denial even at THIS point for me to believe anything short of that would get the masses moving. for now all i see is an endless sea of apathy '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'no justice, no peace '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home, Arnica? few in the UK can afford a home'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'yea you guys have it rough right now '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK are being made a nation of rent slaves'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in that case, the best i can hope for is that the west gets too beligerent over Ukraine and Russia responds with nukes'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'you mean the soviet union? nah they wouldnt attack the west for something as small as that'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see israel taking the opportunity given by Isis to wipe Gaza off the map, if Ukraine/RUssia drags on, you'll probably see China take the opportunity to take a nibble at someone, it's all get a bit testy'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia wouldn't unless provoked, but the trouble is, the way USA/EU are going, they're provoking, and provoking, and provoking'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i for one would like Putin to tell Obama to fuck off already'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone needs to'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'we can provoke them all day but unless we strike first putin wont do a damn thing'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure where that one'll go yet'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine Russia will probably let Donetsk go'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'yea... as if we have any right to tell them what to do '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble for them is, where do -they- draw the line?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'lol i imagine free pussy riot '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at what point does it become a matter of principle?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'i still cant get over that'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'whoa whoa whoa "principal"? next youre going to start throwing terms like "morality" out there'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, principals aren't something our respective countries can claim to have anymore'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'that kinda thinking is dangerous bro, way too progressive for our times'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, best stick with being hypocrits, that's easier'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, would porting Ebola to Guatemala solve the US border crisis?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'oh youre onto the ebola thing too huh?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'onto?'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aware of, yes'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i take an interest in what's going on outside of facebook, oh noes! must be a terrorist'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'or some kind of communist '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, right wing extremist, because anyone who can tie their shoelaces must be a capitalist pig'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'im sick of all these damn terracommucapamarixist assholes'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rated -0.43,-4.3 on the old political spectrum which makes me a fractionally left of centre libertarian'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'ew youre a libertarian? you voted for obama'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarians don't vote for obama, that'd be like jews voting for hitler'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently some did, that turned out well for them'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wilding: 'lmfao'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait a minute, aren't I supposed to be wracked with guilt at how badly jews were treated in WW2? '
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they wore that card out in 1947'
T3/r7/2014-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if any jews online were offended by these comments.... well there's your luck'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiQ: 'I have a bone to pick with the letter A. If a=a and a+1=b and a+2=c. Why can't a+b+c=d?'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiQ: '*cricket'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiQ: ' *cricket'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'since when can it not '
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiQ: 'if a=0 && a+1=b && b+1=c && c+1=d. what is D'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not here to do your homework'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiQ: 'dang ok :p'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'LOL Sneak :P'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'true story'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'do you think that there will be a war? i mean - putin gets cornered and 90% russians adore him and hate westerners'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If Ukraine keeps shelling border crossings, Putin will be forced to respond'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he'd be right to do so, i'm surprised he hasn't acted already in the face of provocation'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'he has.'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why are the democrats tacking a $225m funding of Israel's missile defence to a immigration bill that they know the republicans won't pass?'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd have thought that Israel should fund it's own missile shield if it's hell bent on killing brown children'
T3/r7/2014-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has he done, hwuaj?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does Christine Lagarde of the IMF thing that energy taxes on the world will somehow fix a perceived problem with environmental damage and global warming?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If gasoline costs $100 per gallon, consumption will drop by, hmm...95-99%?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that helps anyone how, because suddenly nobody can afford to live'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course then everyone would use coal, but if a suitably draconian regime (yay leftists) grinds everyone under iron heels, we'll all die poor and the climate will be saved'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, because everyone will just burn everything'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a stupid idea, and besides, who does she think she is?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Then the black electric helicopters come and shoot you, and eventually people stop'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't be electric, tyrants are immune from the taxes/laws on energy'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'she's a chicago leftist, she's part of historic inevitability'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Lagarde'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's french, which is probably worse because she'll smell'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as being stupid'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, she spent most of her career working for a chicago-based law firm of some sort, iirc'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that like a self-inconsistent thing? Chicago law?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hear Chicago is a paragon of virtue, and always has been'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing bad can come from Chicago'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except for people, ideas, products and organizations'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl. classic, giraffe died on route to a sanctuary by hitting it's head on a bridge'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rolls on the floor laughing at Tigernuts's antics!
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock horror, immigration/border bill didn't bass'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pass*'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good day on the stock market'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dow Jones down 316 points, someone's going to make some money today'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'not enough to be a correction though'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd have to go down, what, 8000?'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what is it something like 5%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '300 316 points is barely 2%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'a correction... 5-20'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'a correction... 5-10%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not much of a correction, it doesn't then correctly value things'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'according to google and a quick non researched look a correction is 10-20%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be a 'definition' of a correction, but in terms of correcting the actual market value of things, it'll need more than 10-20%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there's a whole lot of other problems that need solving, like inflated asset prices'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property prices need to drop 40%'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl: Jerry Brown "Climate Change will drive Mexicans north"'
T3/r7/2014-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Argentina defaults on debt'