T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot the deliberate (? or case of a wilfully ignorant AP reporter) in this news story: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0901/Driving-stoned-States-prep-for-marijuana-DUI'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the headline ought to be "Transport Agency Ignores Evidence, Pushed For Discrimanatory Regulations On Pot Users" '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'they're always adding more rules  :('
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'yet a 9 year old can shoot a uzi'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'Muricah!'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/charles-vacca-shooting-instructor-dies-9-year-old_n_5717603.html'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i feel sorry for the child, heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'I feel sorry for the parents, that they think teaching a 9 year old to shoot guns is important'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'that girl should have been playing with dolls. '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i still can't be trusted w/ those kind of decisions, yeah'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'o come on what kind of no brainer is that "should I buy my 9 year old a new doll ? or a uzi ?" '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'misfired over her head they're saying'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't misfire'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a braindead instructor is all'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'it's not misfired, a skinny 9 year hold simply can't hold the recoil on fully automatic'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'so she tumbles back, and tada, dead instructor who was behind her'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: ''recoil.'  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF6-UcaMSPU'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9yr old is a bit late to be teaching kids firearms, as it goes, should be taught from a very early age'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'you have to be kidding...'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'my god, what ever happened to letting a child be innocent and stuff like that'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i've known outdoorsmen types that started pretty young'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, if you're in a gun loving culture, you own firearms, then you should teach your kids from a young age to be respectful of them'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'nope, lets teach it how to actually take life --''
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'she looks like a tiny little girl to me who couldn't handle the thing'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well exactly, indignation, you don't put an uzi in the hands of a green 9yr old'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'why would anyone want a culture where you love things which primairy function is to kill --''
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'the instuctor was in the army reserves. seems like everyone involved should of known better'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, indignation'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'I always thought it was about being able to defend your civil rights. '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'but apperantly, it's just a obession with death ? '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler youth is that way, Democrat'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'yes and we called them brainwashed for a reason --''
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, you and the other members?'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Teaching a kid to use guns (respectfully and safely) is not an obsession with death. :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 9yr old uzi death is a prime example of Darwin's theory in action'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I doubt there is any disastrous loss from waiting some years with guns.'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I was taught to be careful with guns. Now, was I given that kind of gun? Hell no. Nothing wrong with teaching, but common sense should be used.'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'apperantly common sense isn't that common anymore'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Syntax error..common sense does not compute.'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'common sense is a rare commodity these days, Fiain, especially when everyone is intent on installing governments that remove people's need for it'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'True. Sad, but true.'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'guns aren't my thing personally but i generally respect other's ppl right to own them. til they do something like that  :X'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'apperantly common sense isn't that common anymore'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'whoops mis spam'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as a government that imprisons 2 parents for daring to take their terminally ill child abroad for a treatment the single payer government health care system won't provide due to cost'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a european superstate (which isn't a government) banning the sale of vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, and a electric mowers on the grounds that they use too much electric'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'ha'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Where though, does common sense fit into our carefully crafted "education" system, designed to ensure that 98% of the population don't think, and the last 2% only think inside narrowly defined boxes?'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'Ohhh they crossed the line a while already go while imposing that EU constitution while i'm pretty sure we voted "nope"'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'you're just all stuck w/ wet heads from now on'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that uzi could come in handy, we have a lot of politicians to retire'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'For the harm they caused, bullets are to quick, let them suffer >D'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'they prefer we use the questionable voting system   :x'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the only British politician who stood up to the system got his face kicked in by a toff this week'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toff'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'our slang's a lot different  :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Democrat: 'anyho movie time, debate this mean while, is "The Avangers" a good movie :P '
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'you tell us when you get back  :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your slang is wrong ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'oh quite possibly  :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the plus side, the nazi's are getting pushed back in Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the UK news is all about NATO countries needing to spend more on defence. Trouble is, they're all skint and won't do it'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comparisons are abound between now and 1930s'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Britain had an empire in 1930s'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yeah, they should spend more on defence, especially since their coffers are overflowing with cash. I think Greece should lead the spending.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yeah, they should spend more on defence, especially since their coffers are overflowing with cash. I think Greece should lead the spending.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, aphelion, most NATO members already in breech of their terms of membership'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'The only thing NATO can do now is be an aggressor, which of course, they are planning to be.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble with their comparisons with Nazi Germany in 1930s is they haven't realised that NATO are playing the part of Nazi's'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'NATO do nothing now'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it is US-run UN'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're looking at moving lots of troops and armour to Russia's border'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in an entirely non-threatening manner, you understand'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'true, Vost, but US is itching to go to war with Russia (as their application in Afghanistan shows), NATO provides a nice disguise.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'former superpowers always choose war when their establishment is on the rocks at home'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Vost.
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see a way out of it unless someone convinces Ukraine to back down and have a political solution'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really don't'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'which won't happened as they are internally egged on by the West.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'via covert operations.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west is doing their utmost to escalate things right now'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yes, of course. That has been one of the targets all along. Russia and China. That is the reason for the ME campaigns, to establish a tactical platform to attack either country.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is being belligerent, too'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'China can afford to be :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were NATO i'd have spent the last 20 years doing everything I could to bring Russia into the fold'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'where is the euro (or the usd) in doing that? One must respect bottom lines :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, not being wiped out by China after handing them the world's entire manufacturing base is where the interest is in that'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'name a military organization in the history of the world that wanted peace :) '
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all well and good, but this is the nuclear age'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Jesus Army'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'goo joke, Vost :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'newsflash, Jesus is dead, government has superceded religion as the cult of choice'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the history of religion reads like the history of militarism.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they usually go hand in hand.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you'll have to concede government has supplanted religion as the 'head cult''
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't get that, and i don't know if it's because they genuinely don't know what religion for, or if it's just they don't know what government is for'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'don't need to. I am aware the soldiers can were more than one uniform :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'US soldiers, for instance, sometimes were NATO or UN uniforms.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NATO and UN shouldn't be allowed uniforms/armies'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so a soldier can be both part of a religion or a government.'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'an anyway, secularism is a  "religion" :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'controlling people'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by force'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, my stupid government have revoked the european arrest warrant they took out against two parents of a terminally ill 5 year old they took out of the country for treatment'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though you can be guaranteed that nobody will lose their job over it, though they should'
T3/r7/2014-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'add citizenship-discrimination to the arsenal of the politically-correct.'
T3/r7/2014-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those poor parents they arrested for rescuing their son from a British hospital for treatment have been released for prison, but they still haven't had custody of their son returned to them. WHat's worse is that the news readers on TV are implying that somehow having the state "steal" custody of your child and then not give it back until some sort of hoop-jumping has taken place is a good thing'
T3/r7/2014-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the French government has stolen 2 Russian warships'
T3/r7/2014-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '9year olds don't need to learn about guns  by using fully automatic weapons'
T3/r7/2014-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I'm pro guns and all but that should just be common sense, and a law stating so could be warranted'
T3/r7/2014-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require a law, just requires common sense'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'did work made us human or donkeys?'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'free. allegedly  :('
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'work teaches us to avoid it'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so, work tries to teach us to be free. you're a damn yoda, Indi'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i wish. i decend from nazis  :x'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hmff.. all races and nations suck.'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im uber-nazi then eh?'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'only if you can trick them into working for you anyway'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. Indi. build me a supercar! ex-nazis are good at it i heard:p'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'find me another car besides the mercedes you can wrap around a tree at 80 & live :x'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'they are. i agree!'
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i wonder who was the genius who designs ski-helmets. i mean - Schumacher was fine all his career.. then this. its so stupid:('
T3/r7/2014-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they crashed an old biiiig volvo and a little new french car in top gear. the volvo dummy died but the other broke a nail. it was amazing to watch'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another weekend and the war hasn't started yet'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Lord Rovin: 'It's like they're really not motivated to start'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're motivated alright, they just don't think the rest of us are'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Lord Rovin: 'Who's they?'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who make significant amounts of money and/or gain influence power from unrest'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so large swathes of politicians and certain corporate backers'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern wars are rubbish anyway, don't kill nearly enough stupid people'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should take them back for a refund for not being fit for purpose'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wars aren't meant to kill, that's a byproduct, it's main intention is to subjugate.'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they already subjogate so you might get away with it'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe it will be expressed as a series of civil wars, toppled governments and civil unrest'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as people over time get paid increasingly less for jobs with increasingly shittier conditions that buy less each month, in a society where restrictions and laws only increase'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully it'll pop at some point'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I would rather the problem resolved without bloodshed.'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'though that may not be possible.'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it might also be more damaging than war itself.'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problems society faced cannot be solved without bloodshed'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a start there are too many people, and too many of those too many people are stupid and/or control freaks and/or greedy and/or lazy and/or <insert other gripes here>'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we certainly won't solve our problems through discussions either... for all of those same reasons'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, then bloodshed is definitely necessary'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were the Americans here present aware that the southern border is secure? Obama was on TV saying so'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Yes" to scotland indepence crosses 50% support for the first time today. Best bit of news i've heard in ages'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'are you a scotsman?'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, though it does affect me'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland is like an oversized leech sucking money out of England, and also acts as a big socialist weight dragging the rest of the UK down'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with them gone, left wing governments will be considerably rarer'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which at least limits the damage government can do'
T3/r7/2014-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to put it in perspective, only one seat of all the the parliamentary seats in Scotland is held by a non-left wing politician'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prince William and bint are expecing another child. FFS, do we have to go through another 9 months of this bullshit?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else notice a recent push by the 'elite' socialist brigade (that's rich socialists that want to tax everyone except themselves) for 'wealth' taxes?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, even better: Kentucky man arrested, spent 8 days in jail for posting song lyrics to Facebook'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Hello?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khulal looks around.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let's try it again, this time with more conviction.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Goodbye.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Do I win the debate?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'can I rant reallly quick to you guys?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'quickly*'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'CUT!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makeup! where's my spittle?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Okay..So the USA signed the treaty of Nueturality during the WWII, right?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Right?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'the what?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, I dunno.  Are you sure you have the right WW?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'talking about the paris peace treaties?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'yes'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Wasn't there a Soviet-Japan treaty signed in wwii?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'yes'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'what year was this alleged treaty signed?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'I don't remember.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'However'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'definitely wasn't anything about neutrality in there'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'ok we've established that the usa may or may not have signed some treaty of neutrality which may have been called something else'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it on this list? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:World_War_II_treaties'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bobolai: 'my debate channel has the same color as my gossip'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Let me getmy facts realy quickly...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'If you just want to rant, don't bother with facts.  Just go for the usual method of making shit up.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they sed they'd be neutral, but here they are starting shit!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like that :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Reflective Argent nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Okay..'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: '..well, USA was nuetrual. I think it was because of a treaty or maybe the foreign policy, BUT'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'wait!  usa was neutral in ww2?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there were some congretional acts passed for neutrality before ww2'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but when your naval base is attacked, that usually preempts neutrality'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'WAIT!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had more of a neutral stance in WW1, I think'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'THATS MY POINT'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'actually, usa WAS neutral at the beginning of ww2 to some extent, i guess'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'USA are liers.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'US was nonparticipatory'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'in regards to what? joining WW2?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until attacked...neutral doesn't mean you'll let other people attack you...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'This is probably what he's talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_Acts_of_1930s'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'just listen...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Please..'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'wait, you needed all that to conclude that USA are made of humans and therefore liars?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'that was about foreign conflicts'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like peace treaties don't mean that if you're attacked, you must still be peaceful'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'it's not foreign when there's an attack on american soil'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Exactly so listen'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Can I finish'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but, in general, political maneuverings aren't actually binding on non-political machinations.  The most famous example is probably the Geneva Accord.  The US is hardly the only one, but we basically put on a public face in support of the treaty and privately never started really adhering to it.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have finished...you've declared a conclusion without presenting'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'do you mean that you have started?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'gentlemen..'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Now, as then, economic actions can provide more devastating effects than so called acts of war. The USA and other 'non-participants' were actively engaging in hostile economic actions.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'I am not finished with debate'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you said "that's my point", and "USA are liars"...those are finishing points'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'you haven't started debate yet'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'CAN I FINISH WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you may not'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'LMAO'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it'd help if you had a single true or cogent thought first :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only way to do that in this type of format is via wall-of-text'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'No.  This is debate.  But you can start presenting your facts and conclusions'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'basically, the only thing those acts said was that the US wouldn't supply countries at war with guns'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh noes, someone else sed something, I gotta start over'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'MADCATZ'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or fuel or food'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US was fine selling lots of stuff to both sides, just not munitions'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'We don't even know for sure thats what he is referring to, Madcatz.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'EXACTLY'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'so let me finish plese'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and gunships in exchange for land rights.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'exactly what?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, we sold the rights of tons of hollywood movies to hitler'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'You know, this isn't a face-to-face conversation.  It's not like if you talk when we're talking, we won't be able to hear you'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody has stopped you from finishing except you'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you cannot finish "uninterrupted", but you can certainly finish'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'because im reading everthing you are saying'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so are we'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, here we are'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'Could you start? I am sooo confused as to what you are even talking about...so far I get the was some treaty somewhere somewhen about neutrality...that shows the US are liars...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'THATS HIS POINT!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Those acts were also repealed (through the legislative process that repeals acts like these) before we declared war.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'really?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Can you guys just let me present'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody has stopped you from presenting'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Go ahead.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're all waiting with bated breath'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Thank You'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'please continue, oh wise and unenlightened one'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'baited...did a fish fry tonight.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Usa is nuetural'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it helps to actually have a valid point to start with'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'or at least to say stuff that's true'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather than jumping to the conclusions first'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'stop cutting me off'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'nvm...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: '"screw you guys, I'm going home"'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wanna debate on teh intarwebs, lrn2talk'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz watched way too much south park last night.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'be better off talking about native american treaties that were broken for settlement or resources.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So your first point is - Usa is nuetural'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'got lots of good reasons to call USA liars there'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'USA is neutered.  OK.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they sed they were neutral and then ww2 won't work well'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'no.. im not debating no more.. you guys keep talking without leting me finish'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's right, welcome to the Internet'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'should i just write a f---ing paragraph?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Can't see as you've actually started'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and politics'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'indeed. it's text'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'no one is tying your hands to your side'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Honestly, Abelinc hands Khulal a soap box.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Just start presenting your assumptions and arguments.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'you're the one that's choosing not to finish'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'write what you wanna say & don't read theirs til after, if it makes you feel better'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I KEEL YOU!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wall-of-text is the only way to say your complete piece without someone jumping in with a counterpoint or something trollish.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Sorry.. I just get upset when I don't get my point across. Can I start over?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then get your point across'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'DO OVER GUYS'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, don't consider it "not getting my point across" if we simple don't agree that you have a valid point :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'ready, set, debate again'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"we understand perfectly what you think you're saying, but you're simply wrong" is still getting your point across ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 1: actually find out what particular neutrality agreement you're talking about...step 2: determine what steps the US took that you think broke said agreement'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 3: ???...step 4: don't forget about what happened between step 1 and step 2'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'step 5: profit'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at Reflective Argent, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, what happened to "don't bother with facts and just make shit up"?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Arnica meeps! Maybe you should too!
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Awww..  is this over?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or perhaps he's still writing'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Honestly, Abelinc hopes it's dexx-worthy
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'USA are liars...my daddy told me so!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate that, losers!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flagstone: 'sounds legit'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'MY daddy told me the USA only tells the truth!!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jymes snickers softly.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well my daddy beats up your daddy for a living'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'see that 2 exclamation marks...must be more truthful'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'My daddy is the USA.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: '2 exclamations but no '1'....'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chuck norris is my daddy, so there!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You've had quite enough of this nonsense! Mustering the wittiest reply you can think of, you shout, "NO U!11 Madcatz!!"
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'chuck norris is chuck norris's daddy'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'well mine is bruce lee, you saw him beat down chuck'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'We're not sure if Bruce Lee beat Chuck.  Instant Replay wasn't invented at that time.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Okay: The Usa is nuetural during the rise of Hitler. Hitler is a communist. He as tooken over Germany, parts of Russia, and is on his way to control France. As the US is Nuetural by not supplying Foriegn contries with food and supplies, and by having a Foriegn Policy. However, Usa began to lie and supply these countries, that are about to raided by the Nazis, with Soldiers, Food, Fuel, Weapons, so on and so forth, breaking the NUETURALITY ACT (I remember now) and their FORIEGN POLICY. Ironically Japan are allies with the Nazis. Some how, somewhere, they caught on to what the USA was doing and Bombed Pearl Harbor which caused us to retaliate and drop Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nakasaki wiping out there entire cities. They never attacked us again. We are to powerful. HOWEVER, I believe if we allowed the Nazis to continue with there Terroristic Ways most of Europe and China would be controlled by the Nazis. HOWEVER, USA could have easily destoryed the Nazis if this happened because of the Manhattan Proj'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flagstone: 'my eyes!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Treachery: 'I hate you so much.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Reflective Argent shows his contempt for Khulal, saying 'Yay' sarcastically.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Khulal!!!  Reflective Argent cheers him on.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tl;dr'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'ect (Atomic Bombs). The Nazi did not have any Navel Bases or Arial Bases to come to USA. They are foot soldiers. They also didn't have any Nueclear Weapons. The USA could be controlling the world right now if we would have played it smart and not gave a fuck about humanity and peace. But Being the little Bitches We Are We Failed to realize this outcome. That's why the Cold War happened. Russia, which had some of it's territory controlled by Nazis took the time to develope Atomic Bombs which is why there was the Arms Race. The race to show off the amount of neuclear bombs they had comared to the USA.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hitler wasn't communist...the USA didn't supply countries with soldiers, fuel, food, weapons, so on...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'Thank you'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the Soviets stole our atomic weapon schema.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khulal bows while the crowd throws flowers at his soapbox.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Wait!  What part of that is your conclusion?'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I want a navel base'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jymes falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'yes they did.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the USA couldn't have destroyed the nazis because of the manhattan project at that time, as the manhattan project hadn't existed yet, and the nazis had their own manhattan project, stating that they didn't have nuclear weapons is missing a very important "yet"...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'yes it did'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US had no interest in controlling the world, they just wanted to be left the fuck alone'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jymes seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'whole reason for these neutrality acts'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'probably a bit oversimplified, Abe'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Well, with uninterrupted supply lines, of course'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'nazis are communists'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I like this part: Bombed Pearl Harbor which caused us to retaliate and drop Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nakasaki wiping out there entire cities.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they aren't'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'definately not true'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Not like there was over 3 1/2 years between there'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khulal: 'hitler was a communist'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US didn't want to be left the fuck alone, they just didn't want to get into a fight they weren't ready for.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Nazis are communists like protons are electrons, dude'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone's been watching Drunk History'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'fascist. but much sharper dressed'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( they may not have wanted to control the world then but it seems they've changed their minds about that now... )
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'That show was suprisingly better that I expected it to be'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flagstone: 'Cause you were drunk too Mad'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'communists = supposed equality...hilter was anti-communist. Ask the russians in his concentration camps'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod aphelion, much different political atmosphere then and now...AFTER WWII ended, they were thrust further into world superpower status, and y'know how power corrupts and all that'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am waiting fro Drunk Physics'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this very night I buried someone who lived through a couple of his concentration camps...'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, what'd he do to you?!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Sorry to hear that Abelinc'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bobolai slaps the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jymes comforts you. 
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bobolai slaps Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Reflective Argent: 'Hanslada, that was insensitive and pretty damn funny!'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khulal looks around
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'A trip to one of the camps is a worthwhile experience. The lie behind "Arbeit Macht Frei" will rock you, speaking of lying bastards.'
T3/r7/2014-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Following up, three excellent articles explaining the mutually stupid roles that Japan and the USA played which led to their disastrous and uneccessary confrontration in WWII http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/summary.cfm?q=905, http://www.japanfocus.org/-Richard_J_-Smethurst/3825, http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/O/r/Origins_of_the_Pacific_War.html.'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple's "mark of the beast" payment system has arrived'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a future of google glass and apple smartwatches, the only gadget I want is a handheld EMP device'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'embedded id tags inside the human body may be the future :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, only for the trendies'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm about ready to tell companies to go fuck themselves if they start being pushy over contactless payment'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then again, i thoroughly enjoy telling people to go fuck themselves in anycase'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/08/tech/mobile/cyborg-unplug-google-glass/'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome, i want one'
T3/r7/2014-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the UN is warning that CO2 levels are increasing at their fastest rate since 1984, and that we're running out of time to avoid global warming DISASTER! We won't mention that the current level of 394ppm is still some distance below optimum crop growing levels of 700-1000ppm, and well below the 20,000ppm that were present in the atmosphere in pre-historic times'
T3/r7/2014-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who wants to buy a gay iWatch?'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nuclear war still hasn't started :-('
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So impatient!'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need it now! too many people making living costs too high!'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get on with it! or weaponise ebola, or SOMEthing'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a million dollar idea- collect all the oxygen and start selling it'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spose we could just flick the nuts of Russia by expanding NATO up to the borders of their country in violation of the treaties we signed in the 80s, that might start a nuclear war, i guess'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or maybe bomb their vassals like Syria '
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'russia is shaky now. getting pussier.'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned pussies'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't rely on anyone to be the good guys these days'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the thing is that nobody really cares anymore what they say. official or not. they've been bsing too much'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we're screwed, then?'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The nuclear war was effectively won in the 1980s by demonstrating that the US could and would outproduce and deploy multiple independently targeted warheads from ground, sea and air based vehicles with more precision and more rapidly than any opponent until any opponent was bankrupt and the idea became so stupid to everyone that it was abandoned'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. any serious action and they are flushed completely'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Duh!'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i meant, i meant that we as a people are screwed because there is no good guy to stick up for us'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china isn't exactly going to come to our aid'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not going to help Russia much either'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to the original hope for nuclear war, then :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope all the bad guys nuke each other'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i blame Stalin'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame everyone'
T3/r7/2014-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including you'
T3/r7/2014-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mercutio: 'wow, there is a debate channel who knew...  '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lies'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather slow news day'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'that's always a good thing'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll never reduce world population at this rate'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh joy, Obama's threatened to break International law now'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's already broken international law.  Every single US president in at least the 20th century has.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well now he's whinging that Assad might fire at US planes if they invade Syrian airspace like it's some great big surprise'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even the "heroes" like FDR, Reagan, or Clinton.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone should carefully show him the door'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just push him down a small flight of stairs and rob him of his millions from his post-presidential speaking tours.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't condone that, though i wouldn't be sad if it happened'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want Obama to bomb Syria and I want for Syrian air defences to shoot some of the fuckers down'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll learn 'em'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'nothing like wishing for the deaths of people who have no voice in what they are doing...'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'pretty fucked up imo'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey said "you're not using our airspace or facilities to launch air strikes on Syria" to the US, and good on them'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'politicians are shit -> i hope troops die... gtfo imo'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the troops should do what they did last year, Scars, and start a campaign telling those in charge that they won't do it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'I didnt know we could use curse language in debate channel hehe'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember the "i won't be al-qaida's airforce" twitter campaign?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'last paragraph in help debate'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not really supposed to, since it's caustic to the intent of the channel...but we can.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'aah, makes sense :p'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'troops participating in such a movement would be largely symbolic, but okay'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knock youself out, Morzoth'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the appropriate thing to do would have been to talk to Syria, or more likely, get Russia to intercede with Assad on behalf of the west'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which they would have done perhaps if it weren't for the USA shoving a big EU-shaped cock up Putin's arse over Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i know my impressino of the actions of ISIL is that they want to talk, i mean, they keep asking for talks'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, you think having a country we're currently somewhat at odds with to speak on our behalf would be good for us?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and by "asking for talks" i mean "killing everyone who is not their version of muslim"'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to talk to ISIL, you need to talk to Assad'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'because that helps solve the ISIL problem... how?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ISIL isn't a problem, IS is'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'ISIL=IS, you know this, right?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but IS!=ISIL'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ISIS = Islamic State in Syria, ISIL in Libya'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'On 29 June 2014, the establishment of a new caliphate was announced, and the group formally changed its name to the "Islamic State" (IS).'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Name_and_name_changes'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'ISIL is not libya...'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all al-qaida-based groups funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and trained/armed by the same + Turkey, Jordan and the USA'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you don't even know what group you're talking about here'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same people'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'in the name ISIL, L does not stand for libya, it stands for levant'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'which is a geographic part of the world'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's Monty Python's People's Front of Judea sketch all over again'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should probably tell John Kerry that'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he still thinks you're fighting Viet Nam'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'IS is a mideastern KKK.  The KKK isn't just one giant group, it's a consortium of much smaller groups who overall have the same longterm goal but also have their quibbling differences with each other.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'perhaps he does - and, sadly, it might even contribute to some of my friends still in the marine corps going to fight another war thats not theirs'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, how about we don't fight there'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with us, other than having been fostered by our own governments'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where would you have them fight, Tiger?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us? nowhere'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'he'd dismantle the military'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let saudi arabia sort it out, it's their mess'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'In late August 2014, a leading Islamic authority Dar al-Ifta al-Misriyyah in Egypt advised Muslims to stop calling the group "Islamic State" and instead refer to it as "Al-Qaeda Separatists in Iraq and Syria" or "QSIS", because of the militant group's un-Islamic character.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'probably the most accurate term, really'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, pro-unemployment...'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'egypt is starting to look like a kickass team player'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ISIS would never have got a foothold in Syria if the west hadn't stuck their nose into the governance of other countries'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would never have got a foothold in Libya if the west hadn't supported them'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it would never have gotten a foothold in Iraq if they hadn't invaded on a false and illegal pretext'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot the pattern....'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'tell me more about how the west has caused all of the problems in the middle east'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and please, in detail, show me how the atrocities being commited their are not the fault of the groups doing it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not a pattern without a third point of reference, and even then that's barest minimum to even be considered.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the situation now is fundamentally a sum of the event that led up to it, in just the same way that brutal financial penalties levied against what became Germany after WW1 ultimately led to the rise of fascism there'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'look, i don't want the US fighting another war in the middle east any more than you do... i'd rather let the people that live their hash out their boarders, draw their own lines on the map, and stop going killing each other'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actions have consequences, we should have learned by now'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'contributed to the outcome, sure... caused it? nope'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the the best thing we can do now is force the people over in the middle east to sort it out themselves. Saudi Arabia is rich and has a large military, Qatar is fantastically rich'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey has a sizeable military'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'which means you're in favor of watching a humanitarian crisis occur'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'can't say i'm on board with that'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get a humanitarian crisis regardless'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'this chann .. while I don't contribute to it  . is one of my fave parts of Aard  , thanks :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so send humanitarian aid'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'to which side?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you be sending it to a side? I thought you agreed that it is civilians that suffer the humanitarian crisis?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'oh, i do agree... how did you plan on distributing such aid?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'going to pretend you can walk around with immunity?>'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'they got seeall flags imo'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in which case you'd best be giving it to people like Lebanon and Jordan who have been repeatedly complaining about how they are swamped with refugees and cannot cope'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'why not open ourselves up to accepting refugees?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can do what you please, but you'd want to get the permission of your countrymen for that'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and for refugees you'd be better off getting closer countries with similar climates and cultures to do so first off'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'damn I love the F outta deb chann :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): After Snowangel Tzadkiel's comment, Tigernuts yells "That's what she said!" Snowangel Tzadkiel is not amused.
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'oops .. mis'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'in a region of the world where boarders mean a big ol bag of shit, we're going to pretnd that by going to jordan and lebonon their safe?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'safer'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'as long as we agree that we're pretending'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you think instead that arming one rebel group against another will help more?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'false dichotomy, i never recommended such action'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the action our governments are pushing for, which is what i was complaining about'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'although, if my nation benefits from one side winning versus another, i'm not opposed to helping them win'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i find it doubtful that such a requirement has been truly met, though'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well excuse me if i'm not somewhat pissed off at my government spending billions of my tax money on stupid foreign policy that always makes things worse, rarely makes things better, the instability from which is then used as justification to breech MY rights'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, i'd glass parking lot the whole middle east, problem solved'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you're excused - i also detest the one-way-street of security measures'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yeah, because obviously they're all evil'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either glass parking lot or leave it alone'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'switch to nuclear, get off oil, and you may find you really don't care what happens to the region of the world heavily dependent upon a resource that you don't need'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glass parking lot it, Tzad?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i already don't care'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'my bad, i wasn't clear... you may find that your government***'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'peacock?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'oops miss'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not that dependant on it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'of course they are'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'what gives you electricity?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russian gas'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lol, so much better'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our country isn't interested in energy self sufficiency, they'd rather have fucking expensive everything with which to permanently punish it's public with'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could be self sufficient through hydro, tidal, wind, microgeneration and coal but they don't want it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you sign onto EU tyranny and listen to stupid environmentalists who don't understand the necessities of scientific rigour'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'racial olympics. fun, serious, nicht nicht?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'too many swimming/diving events'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mercutio: '... if a tree farts in the woods... does it make a sound?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a tree has the ability to respond to sonic vibrations and can detect chemical emanations from other plants and animals, so not only would it "hear" the fart it could smell it as well.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and a tree can't cover his nose. so sad'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'trees are male ? '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not all plants respond to the same cues, however, and on top of that the cues might mean entirely different things to different plants.  That rotten-eggs smell that makes humans go "Oh, GROSS!  LIGHT A MATCH, DUDE! :(" might make an oak rise up looking for plant-pussy nearby.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '- interesting oldschool book "The secret life of plants" . '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a treant turns to your lily and goes, "Hey, baby, is that a stamen in your flower or are you just happy to see me?"'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in keeping with the previous debate about trees, should all stupid people be gassed to death?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'is crazy stupid ? '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, just everyone with an IQ under 130'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '137  I pass :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately you have to annihilate them or find a way of preventing them from ruining the world you live in for the rest of us'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'think global act local ... interesting .. '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone getting Agenda 21 on our arses?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Zyclon C ? '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'airborne ebola'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'meth is doing a good job .. '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'all meth has done is made it a pain in the ass to get decongestants, ammonia, iodine etc'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have any trouble getting htose here'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you have to sign for decongestants'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, don't here'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you have to have your id recorded to buy drain-o (or any such like substance)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think you might be living in a nany state yet?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'iodine as reformulated'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'is'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's here, ontuct, Sweden?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'the us'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same US where a schoolchild was required to produce a doctors note to use a chapstick?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I don't follow schoolchildren'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'intersting the increase in the nanny state where nicotine is legal .. '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you told the cops'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'schools can't respond to an athsema attack unless the school has a doctor's note from that child's doctor outlining the proper procedures needed '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know you can still create the best decongestant... for now... in your own kitchen'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though they are working on ways to outlaw it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that being: Steam)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the dreaded Dihydrogen monoxide'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Just because the gov't eats half of gdp, most people rely on the state to provide for them, raise their children etc., and possess the same level of initiative and independent thinking habits as a dead gerbil, doesn't mean we live in a nanny state.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does in this case :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One moment, closing windows, these black helicopters make a lot of noise.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it is acceptable, or even vaguely commonplace for kids to be banned from bringing a packed lunch into school, where you can't get decongestents without a prescription, where collecting rainwater is against the law, and where 6 cars full of armed Homeland Security agents will turn up to your door because a 25 year old 4x4 you imported might not pass emissions standards..... you live in a nanny state'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'just wondering .. we have so many anti harm mitigating factors  . yet nicorine is legal . '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax, tzad'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, I hear the vice president smokes'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any vice president smokes if you set fire to him'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although I believe Obama has been trying to quit for some time.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should try a bit harder'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's throwing off his golf game'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most western countries have made smoking more inconvenient, that must count for something'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see it as being relevent, they provide support for giving up, they provide public health information to tell you it's really bad for you. They tax it up and beyond it's cost to others and society which they have no right to do'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'yet it is the only product on the market that , used as directed , will cause you harm .. '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not strictly true'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what about bacon?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norway has just about the highest tobacco taxes in the world, and even that doesn't cover more than about 1/3 of estimated extra health care costs caused by smoking.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and that is direct health care costs, lost productivity not included'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then Norway is paying over the odds for healthcare, or someone has done the maths wrong'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely the second option, as the anti-smoking nazis in the Uk try the same bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, our health care system costs over 1/2 of the US system, so it is clearly rediculously expensive.'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we had to sign an agreement to not smoke or allow any guests to not smoke on the property where we live'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you rent, razkin?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so where I live, people can't even smoke where they live'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then that's why :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i've never rented from a place that doesn't allow you to smoke in your own apartment, though'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'more addictive than heroin more toxic than cyanide  ..  '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, we moved here because it's pretty nice, and work is really close'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't complain about a rule when you chose to live there'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I don't smoke, either'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now if it was outlawed by law over the whole country, then you'd have reason to complain'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've just never lived in a place that policed whether or not I was smoking'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my mom got 'talked to' because she stopped by and was smoking in her car'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can understand landlords wanting non-smokers because of damage to decor'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talked to by whom?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the property manager'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you can't smoke in your car on property'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she should have told the property manager to jog on'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '.. ex heroin user ex smoker ..  .. smoking harder to kick .. '
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, it doesn't really affect us, because we don't smoke'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I find it weird'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'First they came for the smokers and I said nothing because I did not smoke....'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'they come for alcohol again.... and people will rebel'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should rebel anyway'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '.. Oh not my Vodka !! no way !!'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make our own, parallel construction'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully Scotland will go independent on Thursday'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but knowing how drunk and feckless the Scots generally are, they'll turn it down'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i've only kind of followed that whole thing, but I get the sense that the Scotts might regret breaking away'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to pull up the article again, like I said, I haven't followed it closely, just remember reading some arguments about it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll see if I can find it'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all pretty rubbish arguments for not having independence'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnicholson/2014/03/05/5-reasons-why-scottish-independence-would-be-an-economic-disaster/'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that was the article I read, but it was almost 5 months ago'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, not a surprising point of view given the publisher'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to reread it to remember all the points, but I don't even know how accurate they are of the situation'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the article is largely bollocks as a "why not to have independence" as it is pulling holes in things the leader of the "yes" campaign has said,none of the really relevent, and point 5 not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '4 didn't seem that strong of an argument either, but I can't really relate to it, so maybe that's more of an issue than I realize'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the piece is more commentary of the debate, not of the reality'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an independent scotland would find life tough, would be poorer in the short term'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's kinda not the point'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at all'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a newly independent Scotland would not qualify automatically to enter the EU. Oh noes!'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what do you think the chances are of the vote being successful?'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remote'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Scots will bottle it because they're a bunch of closet fags'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it's easier to bitch and moan than to act'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's usually more enjoyable, too'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the whole UK got to vote on Scottish Independence, they'd be gone in a heartbeat'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high on my wish list is a government taht will run a balanced budget, maybe pay off the country's debts'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to terms and condtions prominantly displayed'
T3/r7/2014-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Indian subcontinent branch of Al Qaeda recently attacked a pakistani warship by mistake (the plan was to target an American one).  Sources close to the event claimed to have heard some of the sailors on deck screaming "Wrong hull! Wrong hull!" before the blast.'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wonder if any of the IS leadership has seen the movie "Team America"'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they don't seem like a movie night type of group'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this passes for higher education in the USA, you might just be screwed: http://tinyurl.com/ptjvmgc'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with UK always following USA's lead on unpallatable and unconsciounably stupid policy?'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wake up this morning, hear on my local radio station of schools sending kids home for daring to bring packed lunches, and read in my local newspaper of police helicopters and armed response turning up to both a road rage incident, and someone launching fireworks'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because obama. thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks obama, see what you did? that was your fault'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't get these ideas from the French...'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'If kids back their own lunches, they may not get all the carbs they required to develop lifestyle diseases later on'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well quite right'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately Nigel Farage talked himself out of my vote by appearing on Fox waxing lyrical about the need for a surveillance state'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might just have to vote for the commies in 2015 instead'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh, dunno who to vote for now. Perhaps I should just auction it'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'are you in a strange situation where you have int, but not wis?'
T3/r7/2014-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'wow, mis'
T3/r7/2014-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's justice for you, a 16yr old girl was suspended from school for SEVEN MONTHS, because a teacher found her PERSONAL diary and found references to marijuana in it'
T3/r7/2014-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morzroth: 'murica'
T3/r7/2014-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck yeah!'
T3/r7/2014-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so homeschooling must be getting quite popular :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland votes. Bloody Scots'
T3/r7/2014-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if a bill passes the house twice and the senate majority leader refuses to let it onto the senate floor for a vote, what are the legal options?'
T3/r7/2014-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one wonders why the house brought HR24 to a vote when they knew they would never get it to the Senate until after the elections'
T3/r7/2014-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '5+2 week is the real problem. thats what makes people crazy and bomb and shoot everyone. 2+5 is the solution for all the suffering.'
T3/r7/2014-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, that's a bit rich, they're seeking the death penalty for a man who shot dead an intruder and injuring 3 others trying to break in his window at 5:30am'
T3/r7/2014-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland said NO, rumours of vote rigging, but really, they were screwed if they voted YES'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yemeni PM resigns amid growing sectarian war between Sunnhi and Shia groups'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another massive success for US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'I fail to see the link between US policies and Yemeni PM resigning. Sure US backed another 'winner'. But US policy cannot change people opinions, what could the US have done policy wise to change the dynamics between the Sunnhi and Shia people?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US has been fermenting sectarian conflict in the middle east and africa via it's foreign policy for 30 years, Jymes'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing you're missing is that they haven't publicly told you that was their intention all along'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all there in black and white, from the US/UK overthrow of a SECULAR Iranian government in the 1950s over oil rights, to the arming/training of the wahabists in Afghanistan to fight Russians in the 1980s, to the funding and supporting of Saddam Hussein against Iran in the 1980s, to the overthrow of a stable Libya by funding/arming Islamisists (that we're now fighting), to the funding/arming of islamisists to try and topple a stable, moderate regime in Syria (islamasists we're now fighting)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US have been bombing Yemen for some time, the bombings have made it impossible for peace there'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for exactly the same reason, US military support props up an authoritarian, brutal regime in Bahrain, and has backed up an horrid regime in Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'Specifically the Sunnhi and Shia though. That is much older than 30 years...They have been in conflict since 632 when Muhammad died. I do not disagree that foreign policy has been geared towards destabalizing the region but nothing the US does or could do can change those religious difference.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US has made things far worse'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'so, is the answer to just leave and let the "problem the US started" sort itself out, or is to to fix the mess?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get out'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lulz'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop supporting saudi arabia and bahrain'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop supporting israel'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yeah, that's not going to happen'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you realize this, right?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then we'll know nothing but conflict'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'didn't realize you were so prescient'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is the conflict will be everywhere except contained over there'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you think by involving the US in the middle east, it causes the confict to spread beyond the middle east?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that's even in question'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'that's a complete guess on your part'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might have something to do with every bit of propaganda put out by islamisist refering to western foreign policy in their region'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i suppose they're guessing, too'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'm sure it has nothing to do with fear mongering'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and i'm sure that even if the US decided to leave, it wouldn't be viewed as "see! we scared them off! they should all die!" type stuff'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, because the US never overeacts out of fear, there wasn't a massive shift towards an authoritarian regime as a result of 9/11'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'because we're obviously dealing with rational people'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, of course not, you're irrational people dealing with irrational people - that's the nature of stupid humans for you'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'right, ONLY the US is using fear as a tool to get its way'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'that's fun, did you just exclude yourself from all of humanity there?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i think we're done here, lol'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot remove yourself from the fact that most of humankind is stupid by definition, humans are irrational and greedy, and the worst of humankind rises to rule'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has always been the case, always will be, for as long as there exist governments'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lol, anarchy then?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have the answers, i'm just stating the problem'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we call that trolling these days, ya know'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'or, if you'd prefer, we could label it whining'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's whats called trolling then there can never be any debate, never be any solutions, never be any discussion'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you just said it yourself that you are offering no answers, only pointing out the problems'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're saying is unless you agree with a consensus formed by known irrational, greedy, warmongering leaders, you're a troll?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'did you imagine finding a good answer here?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lulz, that's not at all what i said'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because i don't have a solution doesn't mean i can't recognise a failed policy when i see it'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i know that every single time you bring up foreign policy, the only answer you've ever accepted is that it's overwhelmingly the fault of the west, and they should take their toys and go home'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and whenever i bring up foreign policy, your sole response is "if we don't make it worse, THEN what?"'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'which is an isolationist and nationalist point of view, which is toxic to international stability'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bullshit'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'You did not even really show the problem correctly though...US policy or the US being there or not would not change things in the region. These conflicts predate the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars nods at Jymes and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why involve US?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should my safety be risked because you want to interfere in something you have no business in'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( on the other hand the "west" should respect other countries' sovereignty... )
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should my taxes be raised because you want to interfere in countries you have no business in, which you yourself say have been warring for centuries?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'go'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'mis'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just let them get on with it?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'great question, perhaps it has something to do with that region of the world being oil rich, and the US depending greatly on oil, so having a US-friendly regime is to the benefit of the US economy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'but i'm just spit ballin here'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your safety and taxes aren't impacted by the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're trying to both support and argue against the same policy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you should probably change your complaint to YOUR country's involvement'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather than the US's'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'personally, i place a significant amount of blame on the jackasses that decided to draw the boundaries while all-but-ignoring the local interests'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, Abelinc, you know that what the US does everyone else follows'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'pretty sure that's YOUR country, nuts'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( well, at least Scars is not claiming that all those who die so that the US can have a fascist as a friend, die for a noble cause... )
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was, Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then THAT is the problem that you're complaining about, NOT what the US does'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the UK pisses them off separately from the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK/US is the same country, makes no difference what label you put on it which is why i'll refer to them as US/UK/NATO/"The West"'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isolationism is probably the least worst solution to all this'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not the same country, but they often have the same interests'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Abe eludes to'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'isolationism is a fucking terrible foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I elude to nothing of the sort, I expressly claim that you're trying to munge two totally unrelated problems pretending that they are one'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and quite right too, if I were the UK, i'd tell USA to shove TTIP up it's arse, it's a terrible treaty from what little we've seen of it'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'what isolationism?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd also tell NATO to shove it up it's arse'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'isolationism would only work if everyone wanted to play nice...which is impossible since people are people'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lulz'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is your solution, Jymes? perpetual war forever?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and of course, without things like those, the UK wouldn't be around for very long'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, Japan learned the hard way about isolationism... The Open Door policy is a great read :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'false dichotomy imo'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'besides, i doubt there is ever a period in time in all of history where there was no war ongoing'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and war is such good business that you feel the need to export it all over the world'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's a great excuse to start a war, Scars.... Let's see anything going on? No, then we better start something. Can't let history down :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lol, yeah, because the US thought to itself "i know, i know, i know, lets go blow shit up in the middle east"'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much exactly it, Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of oil'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the MIC'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'uuhhh'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sounds like what happened :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'because of oil <> for the hell of it'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different than murdering an old lady for the $20 in her purse'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'in some ways, you could blame OPEC for fucking with the US economy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'except it's completely different, and that's a ridiculous example'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not for a valid or justifiable reason'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then justify it'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'll say it again, but this time try listening'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'the US economy is heavily dependant on oil, the middle east has a bunch of it, if the middle east fucks with oil then it fucks with the US economy, which is bad for everyone in the US and everyone who depends on the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'I don't see how my comments allude to my wanting war. But a diplomatic and at times military involvement can be needed for any countries foreign relations. Taking anything off the table is like burying your head in the sand.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'OPEC works with the US oil companies, Scars. They are the biggest beneficiaries of OPEC policy. The fact that the Arabs are getting rich too is just collateral.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'so, until the US gets off oil, the US has a vested interest in the middle east being US friendly'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not your oil, Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try using your own'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'OPEC can fuck with the oil market'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'The USA needs to stop believing that we are the worlds police.  We have enough problems at home.  We need to cut all funding to other nations. and take care of our own first.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and they have'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Gener!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's like no one has any idea why isolationist policies are goddamn retarded'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'one question only I will ask you Scars... When OPEC fucks (as you put it) with the oil market, how much do the US Oil companies suffer?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'sigh, let me dig up the 1970s or whatever and show you'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, cuz the monroe policy worked well...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm glad you're misdefining "Not blowing the world up and causing decades-longs conflict everywhere" as isolationism, Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'there ya go'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lulz, that's not what i'm saying'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'but okay'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't cause decades-long conflict...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, that's exactly how you've characterised our differences'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'The usa demanded that oil is traded in dollars .  If it ever goes to another currency we are screwd  lol'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you don't have to bring up the '70s, Scars. The US Congress had to pass a whirlwind tax so that the oil companies dropped some of their loot on the taxpayers.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they've steered favorable outcomes in centuries-long conflicts'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an assertion not backed up by any verifiable fact, abe'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'uh... so that part when opec helped with this ->  By the end of the embargo in March 1974,[1] the price of oil had risen from $3 per barrel to nearly $12.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like hell it is'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'favourable for whom?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'do you know how much 3 USD  bought in 1974?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a rather isolationist view'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'US interests...why the hell would we steer outcomes unfavorable to ourselves?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's really not'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about having an outcome equitable to everyone?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'get your communist bullshit out of here'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'that never works'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has been ancilarrily favorable to european allies as well'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no such thing'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone/every country will act in their (and their allies) best interests from their own point of view'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for every winner, there is a loser'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, with statements like that, are you really terribly surprised that pretty much the entire rest of the world hates the US's guts?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'obviously the saudis, with all of their faults, are better off for being US-friendly (at least to our face, lol)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's not really the point, Abe. My saying "steering" you are romanticizing what the US does. You make it sound like they just get together after dinner and try to persuade the other side to be nice to them.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do, Abe'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'the rest of the world does not hate the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no aphelion, we were discussing conflict/wars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US steers the outcomes of those wars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'no, the US decides which side they want to win, and fund that side and help them win - it's possible that in decades from that day, that decision will prove to be bad, but there's no real way of knowing that until time plays out'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the propaganda that the rest of the world hates the world is bullshit...there are many who do, absolutely...but there are royal fucktons who love and have greatly benefitted from the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars concurs with you.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'a means of persuasion used by the US is by flooding the pockets of people like Somoza, the Shah of Iran, Noriega, etc. The people find the US persuasion rather unsurvivable.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, let's not forget Marcos  :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, then the money runs out....'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'in terms for foreign policy, for what its worth, i'd prefer the US to help Mexico sort out their problems than to go to the middle east...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what conflict/wars are, aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'war is decided on by war industry compnies like Raytheon'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be interesting to see how the movement away from the petrodollar will alter US's outlook'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US didn't "cause decades-long conflict", which was the claim...the conflicts existed, we "merely" helped choose the winner...however, the other side had its own backers trying to do the same'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'USA war involvement I should say'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'evidence of such a movement? or is that just a blanket statement'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm thinking we'll see more wars, probably some massive incursion into Africa to resource grab'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, I get it. So when the US wants a friendly government, it props up some butcher in exchange for favors. Ok, that makes sense. But where is the conflict/war? Or are you claiming that the citizens running for their lives pose a threat to the US?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course we'll see more wars...as has been stated, there has always been wars, from the beginning of time'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing that can't be solved by massive nuclear war between Russia, China and the USA'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'm amused that seemingly all of the world's problems are the fault of the US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get it out of your systems'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'that's goddamn hilarious'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not our war, aphelion, the war existed before we got there, and it's between two factions which were already there'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to think of armed conflict going on right now, Scars, that is not because of, or at the very least exacerbated by US-centric foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but when I walk into the street and see a street fight between "a friend" and someone I don't like, guess who I'm going to help :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'war in middle east -> US warmongers, war in africa -> US turning a blind eye, war in asia -> US presence in the Pacific, war in central america -> US domestic war on drugs (technically not foreign policy, but whatevs)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fine, Abe, but if you're going to intervene at that level, you have no moral, ethical or legal right to get pissy when someone who isn't you does the same thing for their friends on the same basis'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'Re: US popularity http://www.pewglobal.org/database/indicator/1/'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'when you're a hammer, everything is a nail'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but the US is the paragon of human rights and democracy, how can they fail to save the people of those countries? Didn't they save the people of Iraq from that guy? The one that lost his head (literally)?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'better track record than most'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'tell that to the dead.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'are you kidding me? it's perfectly natural to help a friend, and get mad at those helping your friends enemy'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'it does not matter who you help Abe, u will still get your butt kicked  :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yeah, the US has a long history of getting its ass kicked in wars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, Scars, doesn't mean your choices are any more or less valid than others'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's like perspective has no meaning to you'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the dead would be dead regardless, aphelion...as was said numerous times, the war already existed'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: '"friend" is  a very loose term, Scars. The US and Iraq were friends when Iran the shah was deposed. Now Iran is going to help the US in Iraq...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not a loose term, it's merely situation-dependent'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'd say that in terms of foreign relations, "friend" is a time-sensitive and leadership-sensitive term'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we also trained and backed bin laden'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'besides, it's a fallacy to claim that the enemy of my enemy is my friend :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'indeed, and he did a hell of a job against the Soviets :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'a common enemy bringing otherwise unfriendly people together to win is *not* an uncommon endevour'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria were all needless, and have proven to be counterproductive'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lulz'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'just lulz'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now we all get to bask in the sunny afterglow of that, golf clap Scars, golf clap'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you obviously haven't been facing the sharp end of the stick, Scars :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'circumstances changing decades later doesn't negate the value of things done previously'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'd be utterly shocked if you've ever had to take cover from enemy fire a day in your life aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Bin Laden turned against the US because the US told him to take a walk when he asked them to help them after he did the US a favor by fighting the Soviets.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's all so simple!'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, he didn't exactly do the US a favor by fighting the soviets...he did that for his own interests'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'now, I am not going to say the US policy was wrong, I am going to say that they should have known better than to tell someone with a gun to take a walk.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if you want to tackle the current issue, you're going to need to "deal" with Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was being invaded, and had billions of dollars to lose'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'its not clear to me why qatar enters that discussion, but i agree that saudi arabia and turkey do not appear to be helping matters'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'yes, he did, Abe. But had he not  done so, the US would have lost a very strategic part of the world. Or do you think the Soviets invaded Afghanistan  on a  whim.? Why do you think the US is in there now?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funding, Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'are you aware of some paper trail?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why the US backed him, absolutely...but you stated it as him doing it FOR the US, which is totally baseless'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'she the map of the region, what is the relationship of Afghanistan to the former USSR and the present Russia?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our governments are, who am I to doubt them?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'link?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I said he did them a favor, which he did.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and are we talking about qatari government or individuals?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he didn't'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starting point of :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29004253'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have to go eat breakfast :)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion waves happily.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-regional-spymasters-make-tactical-changes-to-bolster-syrian-moderates/2014/02/18/5d69596c-98f0-11e3-b931-0204122c514b_story.html'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'well, that article is hardly conclusive in establishing a link between qatari government and the terrorist organizations active in the region, but under the assumption that there actually is a link, then yes... those nations should be dealt with'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally a bit miffed at the automatic jump to "provide links" when something is self-evident, but unhelpful to your point of view'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it would be helpful if the US and its middle-eastern allies could at least have a unified agenda for the region, which i think is sorely lacking'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Turkey won't allow it's airspace to be used for attacks against ISIS, or for further troops to be stationed there'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'so, here's the deal, when you present something as fact... its your burden to provide evidence when requested'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's border with Syria is deliberately porous to allow funds, arms, to go one way and for injured ISIS fighters to get treatment the other'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'so, be miffed'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'turkey hasn't exactly been a stellar ally in the region, i agree'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'but turkey's alliances in europe make them somewhat immune from US pressure'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'so that's fun'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best option in the region is to get Russia on board and get them to collaberate with Syria. Chances are Assad will let Russia bomb ISIS where they won't allow the U S'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be the pragmatic thing to do'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but USA already burnt that bridge when they funded NGO's that worked to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine that led to all that nastiness'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure Russia would still oblige them if they asked'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'why must we ask?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it would solve an issue?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it might make things easier rather than harder, it might help solve a problem rather than exacerbating it'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh wait, sorry, that's not what US foreign policy is about'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lol, yeah US foreign policy is mostly about doing everything we can to make it as hard as possible on ourselves'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'because obviously'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does appear that way'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i know that when i want to see the color green, i tend to'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'd have to ask your president why not involve RUssians in Syria, though to be honest, he won't be able to answer you - you'd need to ask Haliburton, Kissenger, and the MIC lot'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's face it, they run your foreign policy, not your elected officials'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'll agree that you see it that way'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd find it hard to find anyone outside of the neocon fold that doesn't'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like you said earlier, it boils down to oil and money'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it boils down to US interests, and in this specific case, it's oil and money, yes'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, then we can dispose of any notion that this has anything to do with bringing stability to a region, or fighting enemies'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'would be awful nice if the US could become energy indepedent, to rid ourselves of the need to give a fuck about who is in charge over there (beyond humanitarian reasons)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'no, stability in the region is to the benefit of US interests'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, even if you were energy independent'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'an enemy to US intersts -> an enemy of the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's really not that complicated'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the US?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scars sighs.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'depends on what your definition of is is'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the way you've just phrased it, half the american people are a threat to america's interests'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK's part, they are worried about the number of jihadi's going to fight with ISIS, and worried about them coming home. What most people are not shouting about is the clusterfuck of an immigration policy that led to such a huge volume of people from utterly incompatible cultures being given leave to stay here over the last 40 years that has made this possible'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i'll pretend that's not racist'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for myself, any attempt to curtail my freedoms, spy on me, or raise my taxes on the pretence that they somehow provide a threat will be met with deep resentment. They can go to hell. If they come back and blow up stuff that's the governments fault, not mine'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and if they blow up the people or things that you care about?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, deeply racist to want people being allowed to stay in the country to be people who actually care about the country tehy're going to live in and want it to do well'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suppose it was deeply racist, because of political correctness of the sort you're exhibiting now, more than 250 underage girls were groomed and raped, and though known to the police and government it was swept under the rug because the perpetrators were Pakistanis, and they couldnt' risk antagonising that racial group, who were living in a society within a society, for fear of being branded racist'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather call a spade a spade, ta'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll let you read up on that fap-inducing fiasco while I go swim (for as long as I still can before they ban swimming pools 'for the earth')'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't worry about financial crisis or war, there's a new series of Downton Abbey starting tonight'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, tv advert depicting a woman breastfeeding, doubt they'd allow that in the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I forget what country it was from, but I saw this commercial for perfume that featured a naked woman doing a sexy dance with the bottle.  They had all the censors in place, though, so you couldn't see anything but naked arms, legs, neck, and tummy.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i was thinking they'd ban it on grounds that the pc trendy brigade are utterly against breast feeding on grounds of it being healthy, scientifically proven to be more beneficial to infants than chemical milk, and therefore mysoginist'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'Don't know what part of the US you think believe that but its not around me. You need to stop just hating on the US and speak only about the people who think that way. Only ignorant people stereotype people'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotyping is social commentary shorthand'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'like I said ignorance'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also both necessary and useful'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you did away with stereotyping, businesses would not be able to target their products at their target market'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'if only we all stayed 18-25 yr olds'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone uses stereotyping all the time, whether they realise it or not. It's not a dirty word, it's -not- ignorant in of itself, only in that it can be misused'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'whatever man, like you misuse it. I get it you believe US = evil....so every argument you make is worthless cause it is allased on I hate the US. Sure you come up with facts but it is always suspect because I know its all about proving how bad the US is'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think that then you have some significant difficulty with reading comprehension. Whenever I say US is doing this, or US is doing that, i'm talking about the US establishment, not US people'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'This time it was geared towards people. What policy is against breast feeding?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a matter of government policy so much as how trends/media treat issues that then translate to the way people behave in real life. In this case, breast feeding has been, for whatever reason (I suspect tied to the crap feminism brigade) dirty or bad for whatever reason. How that has  been shown in real life is with increasing number of incidents of women breastfeeding being singled out for unusual treatment - usually at restaurants or in public places'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'And that is limited to certain groups of people in certain parts of the US and I imagine other countries as well.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but unfortunately for you, the USA is where crazy stuff like that tends to start, mostly because the USA is still the world leader in popular media. There are plenty of other examples.....'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being a world leader means you have responsibilities :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of it like being a parent'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'Already said...I get it. US = evil'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ps. YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we did inflict Downton Abbey on you, so I can't claim no fault on this'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and X-Factor'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'You need to realize the liberals who think the way you represent all the US as being are less than half the population and government.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a problem with liberals'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather a world of liberals than a world of socially ultra-conservative neocon warmongers'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SirCanada lives in fear.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then i'd rather have a world of freemarket libertarians than both of those'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'So would I, so don't lump me in with all the yahoos'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't lump people :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look up a TV program called "The Only Way Is Essex" and wonder if that's the way I want my country portrayed :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tigernuts, I dunno what media you're watching, but breastfeeding "wherever" has never been more accepted in the US than it is today within the past 70 years'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there have been enormous movements toward that end, both with "people" and with the establishment'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good, abe, even though that's a rather odd timescale to use'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really...if I said "ever", then you'd point out that in the prairie days, you'd see it everywhere or some shit like that :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but within the timescale I used, there's more-visible record than prior to that, with TV, movies and print media portrayals'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, but it's not really any better than AGW zealots choosing a time scale to base their agenda. In most recent times there is a perception here that that movement has peaked and is going the other way'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm glad you approve of breast milk :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it covers female entry into industrialization and feminism timeline'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the country approves of breast milk...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay! stick it to the feminists, you breast haters!'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'despite what you fantasize about US intentions'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'US feminists like breast milk, too...dunno about UK ones :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK feminists hate everyone'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'milk isn't a person...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Albertog: 'hey!!! take what you said and put a damn cork in it!!'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was, about 40 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then a hater took him out.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see the anti-feminist womens group that got some media traction a few months back?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd need to be a bit more specific than that...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28446617'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are a whole lot of female groups that are anti-feminist'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I recall right, either NOW (National Organization of Women) or LoWV (League of Women Voters) got all kinds of attention not too long ago for taking stances against women.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that's because "feminist" is a pretty non-defined term...there are feminazis which do very little to help with women's causes, and there are steinum types'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd need to define "against women"...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was an argument surrounding Murdoch's UK newspaper "The Sun" which for decades has had a topless model on Page 3 (hence the term 'Page 3 girl' - He was considering removing it (basically because online means men have other more immediate outlets for soft porn) - but it got my attention because the BBC had a mini-debate between a feminist and an ex-page 3 model'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, why did I think it was page 6?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in some circles, a page 3 model would be a feminist...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well honestly, the feminist in the debate put forward the normal cliched feminist responses'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ex-page 3 girl put forward a really pro-woman argument saying that biologically women like to be attractive to a male in order to get a mate, she did it because she wanted to and it empowered her'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which opinion is right?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my opinion was "If you don't like page 3 topless models, don't buy the god damned newspaper, why the fuck are you trying to ruin it for other people?"'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or buy the newspaper and thumb past page 3'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that was it "The Sun markets itself as a family-friendly newspaper". Really? What the fuck is a family-friendly newspaper?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's plenty of articles in the paper that I'd either disagree with or have no interest in...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what kind of control freak would seek to ban topless models from a newspaper well known for topless models on page 3?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Mary Whitehouse?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, when you can't convince people to think like you, your next step is to legislate that they think like you'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that does appear to be how things work, Razkin'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, people aren't comfortable letting adults be adults'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that because of their placement you could easily expose fine-looking titties to underaged members of society?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's like going to the beach'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the argument was that it wasn't adults that they were doing it for, raz ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same feminazi's that would use that argument, Hanslanda, you know in the next breath will be giving their 8yr olds smartphones and tablets with internet access'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you weirdos in the old country might not have any issue with that, but over here in Yankee Doodleland that happens to be against the law in more than a few (not necessarily equal) ways.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ugh, I love arguing about nudity, but I have to leave :('
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it was a banner day when new york state supreme court ruled that anywhere a guy could be topless, so could a chix0r :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are far more corrosive things in our society that they appear unmoved by, forgive me if i don't sound convinced'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'bruce willis' daughter looks too much like him for it to be hot'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'really Abe?  I guess now guys will not ne allowed to go topless.  '
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would anyone go topless in New York?  It gets too cold there for too long.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gener: it was over a decade ago'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's opposition party is touting an 8 quid/hr minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'quid = dollar?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'do they let girls go topless outside there?  hehe'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a little like the US's $15 minimum wage agenda, but cheaper'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quid = pound sterling'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'there was a campaign over the summer..'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes gener'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she can't be fondling her tits while walking down the street, but just being topless is perfectly legal'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'that's awesome.  haha'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Albertog: 'we are not having a debate over the $15 minmum wage'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think 8 quid would be nearly enough'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's three people, we're legally allowed to.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$15 is nearer the mark here'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'get ready for food prices at McDonalds to go up because they are going to pay $15 min to workers now.  $10 Big Nac anyone?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably too much for the US, Gener, and i'll explain the differences between the US and UK that would make it so'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'sorry for so many typos  grrr'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more probably they'll cut back on locations, particularly now that Corporate is going to be on the hook for hiring mishaps that lead to problems.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, the low paid have their wages subsidised by a very expensive and very complicated welfare state, which amounts for about a third of our entire tax take'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, in franchise locations, I mean.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it makes no sense that the tax payer should subsidise big companies to pay shit wages'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was 1992 that new york declared that it's unconstitutionally illegal under sexual discrimination to have any laws against chix being topless where it's legal for a guy to be topless...People v. Santorelli'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since you're not allowed to support strict immigration controls here because that makes you an isolationist and therefore racist, a minimum wage hike is about the only way to go'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mcdonald's is already having problems, anyways, so expect chipotle's and competitors to suffer similar fates since they too will be affected by a $15 minimum wage.  Hell, most anything to do with food, period, is going to be affected.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, we're part of the EU, who some years ago decided to let in a whole bunch of poverty-ridden central and eastern european former-communist countries. The result on the lower end of the jobs market here would be like what would happen if the USA allowed full and un-fettered immigration with no papers needed to all of Mexico and Central America'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, we sort of do that already'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, i'm just saying that this is worse :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have immigration control vs Mexico, even if it is in name only (you're not calling your president a liar, are you?)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mr. Have the Healthcare You Want?  No need, that's just redundant.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no sympathy for McDonalds bleating about $15. Ultimately fast food, like verything else, needs to find it's true cost/true value, and that means it's cost without the need for the provision of that service involving abusing someone else'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if by having a $15 minimum wage, the cost of everything in mcdonalds went up 50c, would you even notice?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, I would.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'You couldn't actually keep mcdonalds afloat if minimum wage at the company was $15.  Even with a 50c increase.  (You're looking at ~ 1B deficit from increasing to $12 right now)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might explain why you're the fattest country in the world :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take another example: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Albertog: 'can you guys just give up on the $15 min. wage debate?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been said that if apple increase the cost of an iphone by $8, they could raise the wages of their chinese factory workers 10fold'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but that's because I know full well it wouldn't just be McDonald's that was affected.  All of their suppliers would likely get hit, all of their competitors would too, and all the peripherals (family farms, grocery stores, wholesale outlets, bakeries, etc) would as well.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they pay now, $8?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'taking out McDonald's would be on par with taking out Ford Motor Co.  You'll never be able to isolate to just them.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Albertog: '$8.45/hr'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it varies locally'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why a minimum wage should be applied across a country (or a state, really)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it IS across a state now.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality, it would see the cost of the fast food rising a bit, and a loss of a bunch of jobs'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when they brought in the minimum wage here.... nothing happened'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ya'll don't eat out as much'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you keep reminding us of this'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because we're all poor'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'people seem to think an increase in min wage is gonna give money to the poor...piad for by the rich. Not gonna happen. Everything in the value chain will increase so the owner can get the same profit margin. Just leads to massive inflation across the board. Nothing solved.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on whether you have a welfare state propping up the people on minimum wage, jymes'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the answer is "no", then you're absolutely right'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not quite, places like McDonald's are sort of at the whim of the consumer so they're more willing to take minor hits (ie, the cost of cheese went up about 5 years ago so they invented the McDouble, which is an existing double cheeseburger minus one slice of cheese).'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could also argue that if you hadn't let in tons of unskilled immigrants, then the demand for those jobs might have become sufficiently low that they raise the wages volunteerily in order to attract recruits. I believe that's what a free market would do'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'rc'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jymes: 'mis'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus is the danger with welfare and dependency, it leads down a slippery road which the UK is a bit further ahead on than the US'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'McDonalds should give salary deduction to all employess above manager postion to pay for the increase.  Don't pass it on to the consumers'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McDonalds managers probably don't get paid much above their frontline staff'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'that's why i said all above manager'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a tiny number of people then'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears that Glen Beck isn't fond of ecosocialists, who new? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/21/f-the-police-communists-radicals-spotted-throughout-climate-march-in-new-york-city-demand-revolution-nothing-less/'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gener: 'tiny but higest paid  :P'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiny number of people proportionally, but not all that tiny amount of savings...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it wouldn't be likely to happen, since those are the ones making the decisions'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you took the entire salary base of everyone in mcdonalds above manager level and split it among the people below them, it'd probably turn out to something daft like $10 a year each'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's also important to note, however, that mcdonalds doesn't pay most mcdonalds workers...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you couldn't really do that'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a franchise business...people at a mcdonalds site work for some guy, not for mcdonalds'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, it's a franchise - the globalist weapon of choice to avoid tax'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's going to change a bit, Abe, given the recent decision against corporate operations.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was that, Hans?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that decision said corporate was legally responsible for mistakes that happen in franchises.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that still wouldn't change...they're still not employees of mcdonalds, because mcdonalds doesn't own the store'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that just leads to crackdowns on franchisees, doesn't change who pays salaries'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given this ruling, mcdonalds will either have to place more oversight on franchisees (who are really up in arms about this) or take away hiring control period.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what lead to the ruling? what was the complaint?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'll have to look it up, but I think it was something serious like discrimination or something.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it discrimination, or was it Discrimination?'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, when I worked at McD, the owner was a guy from india that owned 5 shops'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's a surrounding article on it but I don't think it's focused directly on the topic http://www.chicagolawbulletin.com/Archives/2014/07/31/NLRB-McDonalds-Franchise-7-31-14.aspx'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'essentially, though, the basic aard analogy would be that Boot approves use of its name for an unclanned person and then because of things that person did Boot itself gets disbanded.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not an expert in franchise law, but i'm guessing there would have to be some measure of duty of care'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a UK taxpayer, I really resent franchises'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all because of Starbucks'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum wage in the UK, using today's exchange rate is $10.50/hr'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'note that at this time, that's basically just one lawyer making a declaration that he plans to treat mcdonalds that way, and there was no ruling'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'McDonald's has been through enough PR disasters (1990's McLibel suit, anyone?) that they probably aren't going to idly wait for the next one to explode.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even if there's no ruling, the mere whiff of being perceived as a bad employer breaking rules is probably enough to enact more than a few changes.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not an employer...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the public will see them as one, which is what they'll be fighting against.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they've never been perceived to be a world-class place to work...they've always been what you point to and say "If you are a failure in life, you'll end up flipping burgers"...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no public danger here'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'McDonald's is still undisputed king, but they're already getting nervous about losing share to fast casual.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'marketshare has nothing whatsoever to do with this'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'has everything to do with it.  Potential customers who are already thinking there are better choices out there are going to run a little bit faster because they don't want to be that person who supports a villianous company letting things get out of hand.  The "tehcnically" bits where corporate isn't involved won't register.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, this has no bearing at all on public perception'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'public perception is already that mcdonalds doesn't pay well'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fast food sales are slowing in the UK because people are realising they're eating themselves to death'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that across the board (to include more categories than cheap fast food like McDonalds), or just the McDonald's sector?  In the US, for example, we're eating out just as much as ever, but we're upgrading to at least fast casual--chipotle, five guys and other gourmet burger joints, and so on.  I imagine some are even skipping the "fast" in general in favor of fine dining.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of it, Hans. McDonalds in the UK already (a few years ago, thanks to some bad publicity of health, combined with food labelling requirements) cleaned up it's act in respect to the CONTENT of their food, and started offering a lot more healthier options,  but generally, fast food sales are slowing'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, maybe it's time to make Chipotlaway a real product...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can be pretty assured that I can go to McD's in the UK, buy some food and have it not make me ill'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it's tarnished reputation'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in my most recent visit to the USA, however, fast food made me ill so i lived off steak at Applebees :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only thing different from mcdonald's and applebee's here is the packaging.  They get their food from the same sources and largely in the same amounts.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was baffled at how expensive your beer was, though'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ice is expensive, you know.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the only way you'd settle the wage argument would be to see the accounts of a typical fast food franchise'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but that's what you get when you pay your employees too well'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i'd better rephrase that then - your beer was pretty much the same price as it is here, which was odd since everything else is way cheaper in the uSA'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Beer is king here thanks to our german immigrants.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your beer sucks :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shrug, nothing lasts forever...'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm spoilt, we have a number of microbrewers in the area here'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but all our beer practically sailed over with said immigrants.'
T3/r7/2014-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have our fair share of micros, too.'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is Sandra Fluke, and why is she such a twat?'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame nobody dropped a nuke on NYC on sunday, you could've killed all those climate change protesting hypocrites'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so the US cops might be nazi's, and violent thugs, but in the UK, they scramble 2 police vans and a police helicopter for assisting a bailiff with property reposession'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/oxlhpob'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knock yourselves out :-)'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do big news agencies such as AP, Reuters, and the large media companies like Fox, ABC, MSNBC, even BBC to a lesser extent, never give links or bibliographies?'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reading agenda pieces from these sites is like arguing with Scars'
T3/r7/2014-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Chelsea Clinton is soon to give birth, i'm sure you're all absolutely ecstatic and excited to hear about that'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, bomb squad was called to  pennsylvania high school after a student left his lunch tin outside'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no real news from the UK, it's political party "conference" season, with the Labour party conference going on, doing a fantastic job at proving they're not capable of governing. Their musical theme for this conference is "Living in a Box" by the band of the same name'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you are the same size as two weeks ago, that news.'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's "olds", happened nearly a week ago'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it's ok you take the week off.  ISIS has this week covered.'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'covered with what?'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'blood'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad to see that some form of compromise was reached with Syria'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The US and some Arab "allies" have bombed ISIS in Syria.'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the Syrian government were informed in advance of the targets in return for not trying to shoot down the aircraft'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it stops short of "giving permission" but is better than doing it unprovoked'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they could use all female soldiers. then isis will just disband. cuz they will not get into heaven if they were killed by women'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Kurds have fighting units entirely staffed by women'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so, if isis groups see the women, do they run away?:P'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'or change the rules ?'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, don't really care - it's over there'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our Labour party has a $13 minimum wage as a centrepiece'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ed Flibblebland things spending an extra $4bn on our health system will magically fix it'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i looked up "delusional" in the dictionary and it made reference to this'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh btw, turns out that the White House Fence Jumper was on SSRI's, what a shocker, i'm so surprised'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, there's a spin-off group of the occupy movement that takes in donations and uses them to buy up bade college debt for pennies on the dollar then writing it off'
T3/r7/2014-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI are gagging local and state police about the capabilities of contraversional surveillance gear that allows them to eavesdrop on cellphone calls and track people using their phone'
T3/r7/2014-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'French farmers in Brittany dump unsold vegetables and animal waste at, and set fire to, local tax office'
T3/r7/2014-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love french farmers, they rock'
T3/r7/2014-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Alabama UPS shooter, police source claims he was on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2014-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHqBcZqNzE'
T3/r7/2014-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a good question: Why do the FBI crime statistics show 0 murders in Newtown Connecticut (site of the Sandy Hook massacre) for the period when it happened?'
T3/r7/2014-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in hugely better news, Eric Holder resigns'
T3/r7/2014-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his resignation gives Obama a degree of separataion between him and all the really fucked up things that Eric Holder was party to on his watch'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I see there is an anti-ISIS march in Paris. That will teach those bastards.'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Eric Holder being prosecuted and receiving a long prison sentence would be good news. He must have been the most corrupt AG in a hundred years'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The administration may be the most corrupt since WW2, so Holder is ahead of the pack.'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..also I see from the timestamps that I am replying to yesterday's comments here...'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada bonks himself and grimaces in pain.
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts licks Tinada.
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fired worker beheads coworkers in Okalahoma after they refused to convert to Islam....'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '... is shot dead by a supervisor with a gun'
T3/r7/2014-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK parliament votes to use a token airforce in Iraq at ISIS. George Galloway MP rips the parliament apart in his speech'
T3/r7/2014-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hmm, Associate Press editor launches major criticism of Obama campaign over numerous ways in which information is being withheld from the press and journalists are being targeted by the DOJ'
T3/r7/2014-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eric Holder to take up a job with JP Morgan Chase carrying an annual salary of 77 million dollars'
T3/r7/2014-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being corrupt pays'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll love you national healthcare works in the UK. A while back they were concerned that people were having to wait too long to see their family doctor for routine appointments, so they introduced a national target of 14 days maximum wait so they could name/shame the practices that weren't making the grade. So scroll forward to now: Doctors surgeries no longer book appointments in advance (at all)'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some great socialist proponent should tell me how that is an improvement'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'law of unintended consequences'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'law of unintended consequences which was written by Professor "It is obvious that"'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'New Orleans police are goading residents into outfitting their homes with police-run surveillance cameras..... AND charging them $10 a month for it'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more corruption in the Democrat camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xCBBcpKeYZg'
T3/r7/2014-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before the Hong Kong protests turn into a bloodbath'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just to prove that the UK is still way ahead of the USA on the fascist government stakes - not only did they manage to sneak through a national network of number-plate recognition cameras, and have been added 10s of thousands of public cctv cameras to the network essentially giving police the power to track any car in realtime along with recording there progress for 2 years, but now the (in-power) Tory party is announcing laws that, in the name of fighting Isis, you understand, will make it illegal to criticise the government'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is illegal for tourists to read the book "1984" in public in Thailand'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can fuck ladyboys and children, you can even purchase a sex slave, but you can't read a dystopian novel'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ebola detected in Dallas. You're all going to die'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'good riddance'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately it's too cold here for it to take hold'
T3/r7/2014-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would probably spread over the southern US states including California, and Mexico.....'