T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shock Study: Carbon dioxide emissions help rainforests grow faster. I love the sarcasm at which they made it a "shock study"'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'at least, i hope it was sarcasm...'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the public has been brainwashed with regarding anything to do with Carbon Dioxide and the environment - most don't know that higher co2 levels lead to better plant growth'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'really? thats basic biology'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we were to plant more and concrete less, and protect our remaining rain forests, mans co2 output would be taken care of'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yep'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, most people don't know basic biology, or basic geography, which is why most Americans couldn't place Ukraine on a map'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yeah, i can though :P'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done. have a banana'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Luxiat D just whqt ive always wanted!
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'it is NOT in the tropics'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you also know who makes dollars?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'it isnt??'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'haha. yeah, banks and the treasury hand in hand, i think'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weather forecast for Kiev tomorrow is 36F and occasional snow showers, doesn't sound tropical to me'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, predominantly. Banks create money out of thin air for the purposes of lending. Central banks aren't really involved in that process'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yep. thus the 17 trillion and counting debt'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I suspect creating money is exactly what central banks do'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's US government debt, not personal debt'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Ontuct, but they're not the only ones that can do it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'One dead and several injured in Plymouth axe attack. When are we going to see background checks for axes?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there priority is to centralize'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'Tigernuts: 'yes, predominantly. Banks create money out of thin air for the purposes of lending. Central banks aren't really involved in that process' <--- you just said they weren't'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'eventually everything well switch to digital currency'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not involved in the process of High Street/Investment banks creating money out of thin air for the purposes of lending'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'when they are done destroying the old financial system'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how do banks create money out of thin air?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by creating debt'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I don't think that is how that works'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'probably still selling of debt as a form of stock lol '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'the phrase takes money to make money wasnt coined for nothing, pun not intended.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how does it work then? '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats pretty much exactly how it works, it's fractional reserve banking - they are limited as to how much debt they can create'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it used to be that banks could only lend what they had on deposit'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're not making money, they're lending out money deposited with them that was created by the government'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true, redryn'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can lend multiple times as much out as they have deposited'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, it's now limited by balance sheet size, not by deposits, which is why they're all insolvent'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'because they borrow that money from the fed at incredibly low rates.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the -can- borrow that money from the fed at incredibly low rates, but it's no the only mechanism by which they can inflate their balance sheets'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'money isn't backed by resources anymore'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bank lends person A $100 dollars, A now owes bank $100, there is a net 0'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that was how things got where they we're at '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'in likelyhood they will have to return at least $101'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sure, but that $1 is something they earned somewhere else'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that and the creation of the centralized bank. America got in on it and voila here we are'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in likelyhood, they probably only had $1 on deposit in the first place'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'unless it is preditory lending then they will have to give back 1000 for that 100'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'glad we didn't join sooner'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course it probably doesn't matter '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's just basic leverage'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's no new money generated'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it matters at the point at which there's a problem'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's risk etc, but money isn't being made'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they just make up illuminati rumours to mock and entertain us'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if not there'd be massive inflation from all that money coming from nowwhere :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most people these days think van helsing was real'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i say let things get worse.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it'll be interesting to see how far people let this thing goo'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you may get your wish if oil prices continue to drop'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not a wish'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archduke Argirios: 'or we can all stop going to work and chill all day until the world collapses'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did you come off the gold standard? 71? 73?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just how things are going'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what can anyone doo about it in these circumstances'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there's a few clues, Marikk, about what people are doing'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'mostly prepping'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for one, why would it be that across europe there has been almost 0 consumer price inflation, some deflation in some countries, wage stagnation, and yet the price of property has been going up at around 10% a year'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'vote Clinton in 2016'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has there been no huge increase in inflation despite close to zero bank interest rates?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I've been running martial law drills. everyone practices crawling around with there hands on their head still going about their daily business '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arnica, i'd rather chew off my own testicles'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'oh then do'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we practice eating out of bowls like dogs '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you can create money doing that Tiger. sell tickets'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and we have a map the nearest fema camp'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, Ontuct, I don't get the opportunity, i instead get to choose in May between David Cameron (a flid right-winger vested interest with no interests in fixing the country), Ed Milliband (a retarded fake left-winger vested interest with no interest in fixing the country), Nick Clegg (an idiot, see above), The Green Party (well meaning, fantastic policies on everything except economics, where they're lunatics), or Nigel Farage, a beer drinking lunatic nationalist with flashbacks of Hitler'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because of the way politics works, only one of the first two can win'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lol isn't it like that all over tiger?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'new not-a-word of the day: "flid"'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, the two "opposition" parties you couldn't get a fag paper between, they differ only in the colour of their tie'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be seen on www.politicalcompass.org'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is some bigger difference between the US political parties, but not really'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(significant)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if you want to know the future of america look no father than England'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's odd, because we say if you want to see the future of England, look at America'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, you gave us such treasures of reality tv, black friday, and a culture of suing'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suing? sewing? err, taking stupid legal action'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and you gave us black culture and armed police. Thanks for that'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're ever so greatful'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'sueing* though im pretty sure you were joking'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well thanks for the eu'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not joking, if they are "suing" each other in England'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, Luxiat. Petty legal cases were unheard of here until the 90s'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Obama isn't king yet'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you can't move without seeing adverts for "Have you had an accident that wasn't your fault?"'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yeah, wish that was still the case...'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you gave us some great music though, and we do thank you for that'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols one of these days some troll it's gonna have us black bagged for what we talk about on debate'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yes, i did :P'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and throughout the cold war, the american dream did make us all hopeful. Unfortunately you then went and proved that it was only a dream and not real'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and, you did kinda cause the global financial crisis in 2007/08'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'nods sadly. like i always say, i love my country, im just jpt proud of what its become'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i have decided to black bag myself. got the sacks and the plastic handcuffs ready. just gotta figure out how the last person it's going to restrain themselves and I'm good'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'not*'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't call it "black bagging", that's racist'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some overpriveleged white college kid with a trust fund will come along and through a garbage can through your window'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes i can it's not like i said paper bag '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have paper bags'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right up to the point that they're banned for environmental reasons'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'you just cannot have plastic bags'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i know i could use reprogramming '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never heard of the phrase "black bagging" before -- heard of "brown bagging" though'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'and you now have to pay for a paper bag'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if u tell me where u live i can help u prepare'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'black bagging is a term used to describe how CIA and similar intelligence services "grab" people by jumping out of minivans and snatching them off the street'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brown bagging is what you do with your sandwiches, no?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tea bagging is what politicians do to young boys'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they really do that just they tend to have police do their dirty work when possible'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"black van bagging"'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well paper bag is racist now'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'we make them use recyclable green bags now'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'how so marikk?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"paper bag" is not racist'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'amazing how many of these terms are in my droid Swype dictionary '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'fema still comes up ferns though'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'infernment camp moohahaha'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i shouldn't worry too much. If there's a big financial collapse, your government will be mostly concerned with stopping people in cities rioting'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh how true u probably are'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the USA, in such circumstances, provided you're not in a big city, it should still be possible to pretty much stay out of the way'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will still be using Windows xp too'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marikk, are you being paid to attempt to teach others how to grovel bellyup on their backs, with hands behind the head'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt wrong with Windows XP'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there is, but it's less bad than what followed'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if u want to make a donation i have classes u can sign up for'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for what?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'fema will never hurt you'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have Fema here'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there were a disaster they'd just deploy the army'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both of them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the transition will be easier if you are up to date on your shots '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wonder if i can do early signups I'm amazing with a clipboard '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'will be back later to once again take the opposing viewpoint. it's a dirty job but someone has to do it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'seriously though be safe my friends'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no 'safe''
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a honest opposing view may require to use n-words'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'for some yes there will be safe'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but not many'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(says the wannabe world's most cowardly man (or woman))'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'honest opposing view of what?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of you are scared to use the n-word'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's only me listening and i'm not scared to use it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to debate honestly if there are word restrictions (other than cussing - cussing is bad for debate - use the toilet for defecating)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no word restrictions here'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Disagree - If you're a well skilled linguist, you can make your point without obscene language, as defined by slang, curse words, and slanderous descriptors.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have something to say, just say it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm doubting you have anything to say, though :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i privately debate alone, i use the n-word (three sapellings) since that is the shortest accurate term available '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not going to use "afro-american" or "afro-anywhere" - too long to pronounce,  their skin color is usually light brown to dark brown to dark indigo, but never "black"'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not calling them "brown" or "brownies" as that seems to be reserved for another ethnic or racial grouping somewhere  (not sure what or where)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so that leaves three or four n-words:  negroid, negro, niggah, nigger -  some with different connotations, also depending on usage'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'two syllables '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"black african-american" is eight syllables - too long'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and those from Africa: "african-african" -- redonculous'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but some expletives want to get a politically-correct reputation by voicing umbrage against those that "used the n-word on twitter" - ready to tar-and-feather them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aardwolf restarted on: 2015-Jan-01 11:35:01 '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to say before the reboot?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that required the use of the n-word)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and perhaps cause another crash which erases controversial utterances ... no thanks'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, pansy'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Naomi Klein. A bit of a weirdo'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Naomi Klein is like a female convergence of Karl Marx, Tony Benn, and Joe Stalin'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love how people like her abuse climate change to push an authoritarian leftist agenda'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they should just list progressives as terrorists and ban them and we'll all be far better off'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, by advocating the murder of those that are seeking to protect the ecology environment, is obviously a closet communistic leftwinger, since that is what communists did, murder dissenters and ruin the ecology'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't advocated anyone's murder'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i take massive exception to the redefinition of "progressive"> Nothing progressive or fair about it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'calling for progressives to be labelled as a terrorists is obviously seeking to murder them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not obviously anything - should all tea-partyers, constitutionalists, veterans, and christians be murdered?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tea-partyers are not progressives'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tea-partyers seem to be regressives'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'tea drinkers are'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the issue, zade, those groups mentioned have been described as terrorists by the US government. Are you suggesting they should be murdered?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the usa tea-partyers did not do any tea-drinking -- they were preventing tea-drinking by dumping tea leaves into the harbour'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so it's aard gonna become a patriot hangout?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i'll take that as a "no", then, in which case sticking progressives in the same category shouldn't imply that they should be murdered'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'don't Wanna level too much. need something to do in the camp. don't want to be tempted to escape'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i accept things. just let go and accept what's happening. '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is happening?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so proud your adjusting so quickly.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm talking about a set of people that are trying to set policy/direction for much of the western world at the moment, and the fact they're a bunch of lying authoritarians'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'this is what people want'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only the Alex Jones fans are bugging out'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is likely deluded into believing that a few nutters in the Usa (foaming vile accusations of terrorism against progressives) speak for the official position of the Usa government (unless that nutter was Obama)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be happy with a 75% tax rate, Marikk?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if what you say is true don't you think more people would resist what you claim is being done for then'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing is being for them, it's being done to them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm ... Tigernuts was foaming vile accusations of terrorism against progressives'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just a slight increase in mental illness'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it's a byproduct of the global recession'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're being sold a horrible choice between a corporatist dystopic future, and a socialist dystopic future'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about those of us who don't want either?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you just need help '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to be a wannabe lying authoritarian'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the world isn't so bleak. '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, i do - i need for them to stop making life so damned difficult for everyone, stop manipulating the property market so that people like me can actually afford to buy somewhere where i can be left alone'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do that, they can screw the world up as much as they please without my intervention'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'this sound like recycled clone wars script that Disney and cartoon network didn't want.'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you have such a problem accepting not everyone wants a sanitised, controlled future?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'anti social personality disorder with schizo tendencies'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'possible ocd'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so people who have aspirations such as me have to suffer because people like you are mentally ill?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u feel out of control and that reflects in your view of the outside world '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congratz, neither parts of that statement are true'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'everyone of your so called arguments Is another checkmark under schizo'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i feel in control, the world itself is under control - unfortunately the goals of each party are in opposition'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'world is out to get you or is watching you'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'check'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't say the world was out to get me, i said goals of the people in charge and my goals are in opposition'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'delusional thoughts'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'unorganized thought'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'check and check'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'troll. check'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of Zade's paedophile padawans, maybe?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'said u wanted to be alone thats anti social'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want the system to leave me alone, that's not the same as wanting to be alone, though yes, i'm broadly anti-social'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'inappropriate emotional outbursts '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define inappropriate'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'im bored how about a spelling contest?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'im game'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've lost'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'r u an economist'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Luxiat is'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'r u luxiat?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm a constitutional lawyer'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'whats that have to do with anything'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'nah, not rely'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'really*'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'arent you just worried you'll be out of a job'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'when it's finally trashed because of how outdated it is'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it has uses - it qualifies you to be President of the United States'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tell you what we need an index card pulled in the future we will call you '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though my golf game is a bit shit'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i have to links to leftist terrorist cells, so i think that disqualifies me'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no links even'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'further disqualified by my lack of links to organised crime'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more people should study bluesy'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'bluejay'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and artichoke'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'mkultra is useless to try and read '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should reclaim language and solve equality issues by treating everyone equally'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it takes a year or more to even begin to counteract brainwashing '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i would study up and learn the methods used'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to end the brainwashing is to exterminate the brainwashed'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nobody is being brainwashed, there is no risk of injury'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that won't happen while they agree useful and you know it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'are useful'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'best to just work within the pre programmed parameters so to speak'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'too much Orwell not enough Asimov influence imo'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't unprogram people'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's built into the culture now, part of the technology'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'read how robots we're manipulated through commands and suggestion'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all the rich ever wanted automatonic slaves of any kind'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for what end/'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they worship power nothing else'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the only end to this will come when technology allows people to spread beyond this planet'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or when someone wipes us out'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'won't end there'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't end there, but will make it easier to get out of the way'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'to them the most powerful agree goods'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you'd mean when technology allows people to cheaply spread beyond this planet...'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i won't say where i get my info but it's true'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, abe'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because when technology allows people to spread beyond this planet, the people needing to escape still won't be able to for hella long time'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they don't want An end to independent thought'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed, but once there is no contention for resources or space, then many such problems go away'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they want it manageable for their use only'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the root of the problem that's what we have, contention for resources and space'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is always contention for resources and space'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more space then resources'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'before there was any overpopulation or resource limitations, there were wars over resources and space'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'space cannot be created '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be allocated'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and there always will be, but contention isn't a binary value, it has magnitude'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'nor can resources'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some resources can in a certain sense'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'yeah, but even those need a resource'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they destroy enough good resources a day to serve all humanity'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you can see unrefined oil beibg burned from space'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are certain things i agree with, like removing subsidies from fossil fuel markets, and nationalising energy grid/supply'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(but not generation)'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are goodat destroying other resources and hiding it in one of the most logical places to hide something'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'plain site'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'because they can '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'anything that created power it's good'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'shortages like what we are going through benefit then'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'benefit whom?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the rich'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we come crawling to then when they have all the water all the food and enough military resources to guard it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't be enough in the end'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there will be a mass awakening because that is controlled too'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'part of a ritual'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u place the veil upon the virgins face'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you remove the veil at will to demonstrate power'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no virgins'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'society'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no society'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why they are making us weak'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and poor'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are preparing to sacrifice'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun with that, then, i'll go get the popcorn'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there are many sects that all have many leaders'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but they have a UN equivalent'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or nato lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, the UN is screwed'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the ones really pulling the strings have learned to hide'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hitler was powerful. but also a puppet'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only one party in the UK calling for a corporation revenue tax'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he didnt get his ideas alone. him and his cronies were very much tied to occult'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will probably force us to drink Namibia'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nano bot infested water'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'seriously though they want to make a sick cult is all it is '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds great. i won't be a part of it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most of us won't be i bet'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wait till numbers start going on those fema coffins they got'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'anyonev who doesn't know this stuff is living under a Rock'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably won't need them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'picture the standard of living with the population'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, the whole coffins thing is bizarre - why would you have them when you can just cremate?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'which of them will have to work'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're for a catastrophic life-ending event, think you'll find, not as part of a plan'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'killing the slaves so you don't have to feed then'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely just nuclear war'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even a'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Lol doubtful'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'unless you think the bunkers they have are self sustainable'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are stocking on food. what next '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will wind us up and retreat'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bunkers are for nuclear war too'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that too is a viable scenario'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to be self sufficient, just need to keep them going for a couple of years'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nuclear is if bio agent doesnt work'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had these bunkers before, they're recomissioning them now because the threat is high once more'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hieRchial planning'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't really use biological warfare, it's too indiscriminate'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's the point'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'is Obama gonna get ebola?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lung cancer'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'post presidency'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, or possibly aids'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not a bright secret service'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he doesn't already have it'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'slight chance the plan could backfire on them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'next move would be viral'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, no need'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but is possible'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just as possible, if not more likely that nature will do that for them'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there are spies in every wast'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'war'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially given how antibiotic abuse in the farming system means we have little or no defence against future pandemics'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all depends on how deep they are planted'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be nukes :-) just a case of when, not if'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they probably don't need antiBotics in and end game scenario '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u think anonymous is cia or nsa?'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nice'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anonymous isn't a fixed grouping, so anyone can do things and claim to be part of the group, so interference of either is inevitable'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a rule of thumb though, any prescribed organisation is likely to have fbi infiltration - most terrorist plots of the last 20 years that have been foiled by the feds were actually perpetrated or set up by the feds themselves'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing governments are very good at is blowing themselves up'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'five guys in black with earbuds splitting chinese food isnt Obvious enough for people'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's racist'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ur the one sending me tools asking about hoosier'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tells'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i bet u got lots of hoosier '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i hate Indiana Alabama.......'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been to Indiana'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'certain parts of north and south Dakota'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all of Utah'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'quit whining that i lie from time to time'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'forest Gump was a father! '
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently French people celebrate new year by setting fire to parked cars'
T3/r7/2015-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you, too can build the millenium falcon with high quality die-cast and resin pieces on the weekly magazine. It only costs $1500 for the full series!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's father dies the same day Andrew is reinstated as New York Governor. Clearly he was sick of the sight of him'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mario Cuomo appears to have been a somewhat liberal liberal and was liked, unlike his son who is a monster'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new restrictions come in today on payday loans that prevent the total amount payable going above 300% of the amount borrowed. Question is, aren't payday loans simply a corporate tax on stupid people?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts did not say where -- so the information is no much use'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rather a tax on the poor and uneducated who can least afford them'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic is hooked on the bait, and Tigernuts is reeling in another (something)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic pets Zade.
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you act as if you aren't a bigger troll than he is'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'go argue about audio quality or something equally pointless'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well to be fair tigernuts is mentally ill'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and what were your psychiatry qualifications again?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lol u dont have to be qualified to look at a checklist'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those with "tin-ears" are afflicted with a form of deafness -- likely both mental deafness and physical deafness '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, this is why so many people think they're scientists '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well some are actual scientists'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but i don't see who wants to be one '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some educated as scientists (perhaps erroneously) believe that they are scientists'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You cannot diagnose mental illness over the internet. '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why not'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marikk believes he she does'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'tigernuts large corporations do not participate in payday loans, they have more cost effective ways of screwing us. payday loaners are bottom feeders'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ur not gonna get any better from today's society unless you have money'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marikk already diagnosed Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'last time i left a hospital they printed out google and web md for everyone lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'incorrect, he made a statement of opinion presented as a statement of fact :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Duh. Debate channel'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'who said it was fact?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic snickers with Arnica about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and quite honestly, statements like that trivialize real mental illnesses.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what those that "diagnose" do - attempt to represent opinions as facts'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i went through a checklist for personal amusement '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Point - Majic'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'am i supposed to be sympathetic towards the mentally ill?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'as far as i know no society has ever wanted the mentally ill'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Your checklist is deficient'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ect water therapy lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not very sympathetic treatment '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what they do at Camp Gitmo is "water treatment" '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are plenty of people with a mild or moderate mental illness who hold jobs just fine, and some of them play here as well.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'good for them give em a cookie for me'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'merely some ?! '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly, not every person plays here, I am confused about your question.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your comprehension seems deficient'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we must be ill to play a game.that involves reading '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'are you asserting that every mentally ill person plays here or merely all of the ones that I know? :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we should be playing candy crush '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'He is merely illustrating your point'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rather, the logic of your statements is extraordinarily deficient. '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your pretentious to think sympathy makes you a good person'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marikk, do the checklist on Majic'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ack so many checklists '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Who dbrought in the concept of "good" here?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're reading more into my statement than I said'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'brought to you by burger king and nascar!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols majic '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lack of deliberate cruelty makes one a better person than the alternative, certainly'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'use your intellectual voodoo again'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people always call something they don't understand voodoo :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i see a use for empathy '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not sympathy'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont forget the phrase "i dont want your sympathy" commonly used by the physically and mentally ill'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'its also used by people in a situation where their pride is already compromised'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some use feigned sympathy as an excuse for damaging (mis)treatments'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'true and true'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sympathy can be especially hurtful when it's the 'don't hurt your poor little brain doing this''
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tell you what i feel sympathy now '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its sad majic doesnt take a checklist more seriously'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if he did he might already have all the help he could ever need'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all you can eat ssri`s for everyone!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a reason that people aren't supposed to use checklists on the internet even for self-diagnosis but rather as a tool to encourage them to contact someone who does know what he's talking about.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well we are encouraging you'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'perhaps the person who feels a pathological need to run checklists on random people on the internet is the one who should investigate himself -- have you run any of these checklists on yourself? :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'didnt we just talk about this'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the current drive to pathologize all behavior is really bizarre.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'do you want me to use the checklist or not'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on yourself? if you want. on anyone else? I can't imagine what possible good it would do.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all it's going to do is make you think that you know something.'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'half the time this channel is all conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'waiting to hear about batboy'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: '[debqte] and whats wrong with those? remember, aristotle said its the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an ide withput subscribing to it'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how is the world government killing people now? seems they arent too good at it with all the people running around blaming globalists for their problems'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets talk about corporate greed and gmos while eating a big mac hahaha'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chicken Little went about screaming "the sky is falling" to distract from the fact that Chicken Little killed Cock Robin'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'chicken little isnt real lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some conspiracy screamers are the nutters doing the damage'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'alex jones should be arrested and forced into treatment'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't it chicken licken?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not selling weight loss products and iodine'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'snake oil salesman are what the smarter ones become'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"never trust an obese politician"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never trust a thin cook'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaking of snake oil salesment, how's Al Gore doing these days/'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'pretty good'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'probably getting kick offs from carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people think snake oil helps, then they should be allowed to buy it. You ban the sale of anything that may not live up to it's claims, then suddenly 75% of the pharmaceutical and health industries implode'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'with that line of thinking i agree'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world doesn't run on an evidence basis, it's certainly not governed on it'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but people who euthanize themselves should not be allowed to blame others'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how people who euthenise themselves -can- blame others'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'take ur iodine and live in your bunker'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does that help anything?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they sit around worried about how to get their xbox one to work'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cob'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds to me like you're just having a hissy fit because other people have different aspirations to you'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Radon decays into radioactive Iodine -- so those residing in bunkers take supplemental nonradioactive Iodine'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then they tell u about government spying like its new'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and claim they cant find work'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so likely require supplemental Iodine if residing in the basement (playing Aardwolf)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the percentage of people who play xbox one and have just found out about government spying who can't find work higher than the wider population of people who can't get work?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cant find higher?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i see tons of work'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that wasn't the question'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'u don't always get to choose what you do for a living'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'unless you wanna be a starving artist'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is degenerating into incoherence '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i would say the majority of people not actively looking for work...'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and not willing to change careers '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'are victims of their own stupidity'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not unreasonable, though quite how it relates to bunkers and iodine and government spying I don't know....'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'playing "xbox one" is not that educational'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and probably think buying sony products is the American way lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'id like to argue that some(myself included) at just lazy bums'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'playing "xbox one" distracts from getting out and finding work'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did say that payday loans are a tax on stupid people, which should suggest i'm of a similar mindset on this question'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that having been said, in the UK taxation subsidises low wages, and employment itself is taxed - i'd much rather both were scrappd and the minimum wage risen'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'pay day loans are seldom payed back'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "just found out about government spying" is a red herring -- playing "xbox one" is the damaging factor'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the demography, cost of living, and similar are different in the USA, so you might have different things to worry about'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your logic it's based on people actually paying their debts'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough people must pay back payday loans for them to be profitable'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just a select few who don't want to be poor '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich don't pay their debts to society when they don't pay enough taxes'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and have exhausted every resource '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there is bankruptcy which is more common'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth would you levy a tax on employment?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if your theory about banks creating money and what you've said about debt in the past is true '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then there is no need to pay'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'to be profitable'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you remember the great bank collapse of 2008?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so in affect it's free money'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and only a sucker would pay'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the banks are doing something with those monies'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think they have people with money to worry about'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that banks had to be bailed out is why things should be payed back and what happens when they don't'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not people who take high risk loans anf aren't really expected to pay'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, marikk, don't pay back your loans - you won't get credit in the future and the cost of everything goes up as a result'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this helps society how?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, money circulation is required for an industrial society to function.  Banks provide some of the money lubrication'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if you only get ten dollars a month. why would i loan you a grand and expect to get payed back'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'collateral'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we are all born with a debt'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't have been loaned a grand, that's the whole point'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, or likely wrong'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what collateral. the  house you think you own'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some are born with silver spoons'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well now you're talking about property ownership - the fact that nobody owns property anymore is a big problem'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some own "paper money"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody owns paper money'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'except the Parker brothers '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whomever now owns the copyright'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so an end to property taxes then?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'whom as in a corporation '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the expression "paper money" is not talking of "printed paper money"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ideally we don't need someone like obama giving out wellfare'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luxiat: 'no? care to enlighten  me?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we need to cut back and eliminate wellfare'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you'd like it here in the UK, the governments put in a huge 0% income tax band and wonder why the amount of income tax they get has gone down'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the death penalty would help too'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death penalty helps nobody'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes it does'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to give welfare, you start with giving it to the blown up veterens who you've thrown in the gutter after getting them ruined in a war that we had no business being in'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i say we take all the sex offenders and let people hunt them'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you give it to promiscuous scumbuckets last'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those getting welfare perhaps are not smart enough to fill out complex tax forms -- so the "0% income tax band" (of the poverty stricken) is a somewhat smart policy'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if you bag one u can claim their government benefits'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no tax forms in the UK for the vast majority of workers, Zade'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sex offenders, you just lock them all up together so they can abuse each other'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'here they claim disability from mental illness or just wellfarr'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no one will hire them so they arent expected to work'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at what point is someone a sex offender?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are two 14yr olds noshing each other off sex offenders?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'here it goes from level one to three'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you adjust for what is acceptable changing over time and from country to country?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you account for the most prolific and vile sex offenders being the ones in government?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well in some countries age of consent is lower '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your "kill all sex offenders" is looking a little shakey then...'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there should be more of a global standard we can all agree on'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but then alex jones would shout tyranny and that would end any cooperative agreements '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should there be a global agreement? different cultures are different'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to get agreement within a single country, let alone across many'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'culture is over rated'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on something like this he'd be right - it's something that should agreed at a state/sovereign country level'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about all laws should be'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets jump from a cliff and bungee with our pierced bungholes to prove our manliness!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a global agreement on sex mores is likely to be defective oppressive and depraved'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats culture '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'What makes you think international agreements would be helpful anyway, after all, what right have the UN to decide who you stick your todger in, or what things you can smoke?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't even get agreement on what age is defined as "being an adult"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of second hand todgering '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets spread Ebola! in our culture we play xbox one with our dead'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the correct answer of course, being "16"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'second hand smoke is offensive'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in smell, zade, yes'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'who smokes'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some do'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'have u seen the "numbers" lately? are they really that low'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich Muslims want "6" pr "9", so they won't agree to the "being 16"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"6" or "9" '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'second hand smoke is offensive in irritation and slowly damages even kills'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the age of adulthood has to be at least at an age where the majority of people have reached physical maturity'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats mostly bollocks, Zade'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'omg its the anti wiccan from prophecy '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is accurate
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he does nothing and hurts everyone!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could just about argue for 14, but really 16 is about right'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't argue for 6,9 or 12'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tiger likes sixteen'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hahaha '
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, 16'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'half of stuff here is legal at 16, some at 17, some at 18. It's just stupid, just make it 16 already'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'isnt it fourteen in italy?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be for consent, not for other things'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'age of consent ought to be 16 for adults, and 12 and within 1 yr of your partner for kids'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the great Mohammad married a "6" year old, and consumated her at "9"  -- so what was good for Mohammad ...'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people of that time were rather beastly to each other, zade'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that was that uncommon amongst all people'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"18" is likely more right, maybe "19"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'way to go infantalising people'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you think people should be allowed to die for their country, or get married for 3 years before they're old enough to stick their todger inside each other?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not Muslim
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are an infantiliser though'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's half way to an authoritarian mindset'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"infantalise" is not in the dictionary here -- Tigernuts is incoherent'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'avoid the criticism of your point of view by attacking the language used, why not attack the grammar or the spelling?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade attacks inappropriate incoherence
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"infantaliser" seems to be an ad hominem'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the dastardly art of using bogus words as ad hominems"'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, means to treat someone or something as if it were childish'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news! Harry Reid has been hospitalised!'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Good news! THere's no news'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, that is weird'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it that a child killed in the Sandy Hook Massacre 2012 was also killed in the Taliban School Massacre of 2014?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does that work?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'easy'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't media actually check the stuff they put out and realise that people are taking the piss out of them?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not really'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no they dont:)'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'who reported that?'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they all have the same stories'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/nwvxpsr'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, bbc is attributing it to "internet image recycling" which doesn't relaly make a lot of sense'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, shows msm doesn't really check what they put out for accuracy'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggles belief how people jump on the bandwagons with stuff like that'
T3/r7/2015-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, Prince Andrew has been fingered in an underage kiddy fiddling case in FLorida'
T3/r7/2015-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: ';suspects Tigernuts is doing some "internet image recycling" on Prince Andrew'
T3/r7/2015-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Florida children play violins - perhaps Prince Andrew is a patron of the Arts'
T3/r7/2015-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects Tigernuts twists and distorts the facts into lies
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely, in the UK, Nursery staff and childminders are being given the duty to report toddlers they suspect of becoming terrorists'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How did they miss you? :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism hadn't been invented when i was a toddler'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did have some Irish criminals blowing up people in the name of the IRA, funded by that perennial terrorist factory, the United States of America, but we managed to sort that out for now'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't require mass surveillance or laws, needed proper negotiation'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'payback for the brits helping the confeds during the civil war. :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helping the confeds during the civil war was payback for stealing your country from us'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is funding/supporting terrorists by a sovereign government acceptable?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since around 3000 BC'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think it was actually 2995 BC...'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds good'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as long as there have been governments, there have been subversive tactics'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citizens cannot, but sovereign states can'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and of course, "terrorists" depends on which side you're on...we don't support terrorists, we support freedom fighters!'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus most sovereign and international law becomes self-serving'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could never have a workable common internation law on terrorism because terrorism is subjective'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska brown bears are like 1400 lb racoons.....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should false rape accusations be a criminal offence with punishment similar to actual rape convictions?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the sitka spruce tree......nothing but pine trees around here.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have trees here, they're racist and bad for the earth - they cause global warming'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAa29D6vbs'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, thinking of building a new bunker....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the old one not cutting it anymore?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sold it last year.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm..."flip this house: prepper edition" that could work!'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wheee!'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made a nice profit :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): IMWatching Abelinc runs off to A&E or some other channel
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think the next one will be corrugated metal pipes though.....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my previous one was concrete and steel forms'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunkers will be made illegal soon, they're the hallmark of an extremist'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Nevada!'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Protection from gamma radiation can be achieved with as little as 4 feet of dirt cover or 3 feet of concrete cover. Every 4 inches of dirt (and 3 inches of concrete) gives a halving thickness, or protection factor (PF) of 2'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it annoys me when I see builders using cheap osb on roofs.....shoot em all!'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'osb?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oriented strand board, a type of plywood'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'much cheaper than using moisture resistant plywood.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i please have tiles or slate instead?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can put them on top of the osb, the osb is the decking of the roof.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'osb is a cheap form of decking for the roof.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor moose....800 of them are killed each year on Alaska roads.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Chicken, Alaska has 7 residents and a post office......no wonder the usps is going broke.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, new Oklahoma law will make it illegal to wear a hoodie, robe, mask or any other clothing that intentionally hides your identify in public'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mmmmmm. Chicken Alaska'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, there goes wearing my jedi robe in oklahoma.....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no scarfs, no hats, no hoodies'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, jedi robe would be exempt under the religious exemptions'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thats ok, we are still allowed to wear them in Nevada and Texas.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'going to make trick-or-treating less fun'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oooh, I should start a jedi church then.....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Disney might have something to say about that'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(such as 'no')'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'New York made it illegal to take a selfie with a Tiger.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can still register it with the feds....it will take them 10 years to see the application...in the meantime you can claim to be a church for tax purposes, and etc.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's ok, Malkar, i don't do selfies'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that means wearing the jedi robe in oklahoma.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, moose vs motorcycle....not good.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I got a hawk on my motorcycle a couple months ago'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'motorbike riders are called organ donors here'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're called that in a lot of places...it just doesn't actually add up :P'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, can't carry organs on a motorbike, you can't reach the loud pedal'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, that new Chevy Colorado is a pretty nice truck....surprised chevy could actually build a nice one.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't and didn't'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'n i c e t r u c k'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fibber'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I had an '88 S15 Sierra back in the day, decent little thing'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod my cousin had an ss lightning in high school, decent truck.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasnt the last decent truck the japanese one that ISIS use?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think it was an ss lightning......it came in only 1 color....black.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what truck does isis use?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or is isis like the new godwin'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'toyota, the industructale one'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hilux'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh,I'd never heard of that...no wonder, wiki article on it: but in North America, the Hilux name was retired in 1976 in favor of Truck, Pickup Truck, or Compact Truck.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you not have heard of the Toyota HiLux, possibly the worlds best known pickup'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as I said, they haven't called it that in north america in 30 years...'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, usually they called stuff different names in the USA because they're too easily confused'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now if you'd said the Tacoma, I'd be right there with you :P'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern trucks will be just like modern cars, full of electrics to the point that they break down irretrivably the moment they finish their warranty'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, trucks, cars, furnaces, AC units, microwaves...'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's the wave of the future'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly cars/trucks though'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'How is "making stuff increasingly less reliable and more difficult to fix" commensurate with "the way of the future"?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy a book and fix em yourself.....also the wave of the future.....everyone who has basic knowledge to fix simple stuff that wear out.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, they're designed not to be'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps for you, but not for most people. :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except maybe vehicles.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern vehicles are a pain in the ass now.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're talking about vehicles...'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, exactly'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you also mentioned electronics.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electronics IN vehicles'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, the bits that always go wrong'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, I did mention the other stuff when tiger started the thread with vehicles'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the electronics in vehicles are the easiest to fix now....software upgrades is usually all you need.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, replacing the entire computer is all you need'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'changing the oil is becoming harder and harder. :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'moving to a county without emissions testing is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for who?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for me, and the rest of the residents here.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the ones who have asthma :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes sense in big counties, but not in the smaller ones with tiny populations.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the air up here is clean clean clean.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'air pollution is caused by millions of cars, not thousands. :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'polution is caused by one car...it's just not concentrated'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's the excuse i use, alongside the fact that me getting to work is far more important that middle class moms driving their little shits to school'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most big cities also have the thermal affect, which reduced the avg wind speeds in the area....in green areas that is not a big problem.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our avg wind speed 2.5 hours from houston is almost 35% higher compared to houston.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Chihuahua's are such good doggies....'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're rats and should be shot'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're the spawn of satan'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are very loyal'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they are very annoying anklebiters that yap constantly and then run back to their cage when you look at them'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bought a chiweenie, great dog'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dachscund/chihua?'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, looks like a mini yellow lap'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lab'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'weenies are pretty amazing dogs, but gotta be trained well'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she has amazing amounts of energy.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my sister had one, pulled one of those corkscrew leash anchors right out of the ground to go running around the neighborhood'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I have a 1 acre fenced in yard, and she runs all over it, like lightning'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neighbour had one and it's come into the workshop and bury itself in a warm outdoor jacket'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they used to be used to go into burrows and drag the animals out'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, she definately keeps the racoons away.....the amount of them showing up has dropped almost 80% since I got her.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm surprised the chihuahua wussiness hasn't negated the daschound moxy though'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, probably bred it out.'
T3/r7/2015-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drum loaders for shotguns are great.....'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, -45 F in north dakota and minnesota....'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'finally a normal winter!'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'unseasonably warm here'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cleff: 'global warming is coming to you... you will all freeze soon...'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '27 F here in SE Texas.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cleff: '47 in ny, but used to be 55 during the day. thanks god global warming is over from last year's 20s'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, California only needs 11 trillion gallons of water from rainfall to end the drought......'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'they should get some filters for their crap water like texas'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/02/26/texas-city-working-to-turn-sewer-water-into-tap-water/'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it works for NASA.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, that reclaimed water would be used for golf courses, and other non potable uses.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is too bad that the new chevy colorado is not built in Texas....'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, that new circle line in singapore is a pretty cool subway train system....$4.6 billion to build, and state of the art robotic trains.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'interesting....a type of oak tree that has cork for its bark...and that cork bark is used to make the corks for wine bottles.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes 25 years for the first harvest of cork from a new oak tree...and then every 9 years thereafter.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shotgun: 'we have one in our back yard'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cork oak tree ?'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shotgun: 'well i cut the bark and it looked exactly like a cork'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how thick ?'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shotgun: 'it was not a smooth surface, it was very coarse'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shotgun: 'so the thickness differed'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the largest desalination plant in the US is located in Tampa Bay florida....it produces 25 million gallons of fresh water per day.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Risgoth seems singing a hmm of praise for some large desalinization plant that consumes a lot of energy'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using energy is a good thing....that is why it is there.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that desalination plant provides 10% of the area's water supply, and they are planning on building another, to be powered by a new natgas power plant that will be built.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't desalination plants be built alongside big wave turbines and offshore wind to make them entirely self-sufficient?'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or is the power demand too great?'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why can't california do the same give it's chronic water shortage'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas state legislature is in the process of passing some very sensible laws'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'california does have a couple desalination plants...they are close to the nuclear power plant'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs many many more'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or they just need to capture more of the rain that falls.....75% of the rainfall flows back into the ocean each year.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs enough desalination plants to cover it's arse in the case of a persistent drought'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not helpful when in places like Oregon you have laws prohibiting the collection of rainwater'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oregon doesnt have a water shortage, and water is owned based on a 150 year old water rights law.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local ordnance overrides that'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you own the land, not the rain that falls on it in oregon.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that what i said?'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change that, problem solved'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck, it goes back to when big farms were the norm, now those farms are subdivisions, and the original owners still own the water rights.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good job they don't have a water shortage then'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a ridiculous law'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water in western states is the same as oil and gas, except in Texas and most states, where the state owns all the water.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the state owns the water, and you have the right to drill a well if you wish with a permit.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not entirely sure here, i know the crown owns all the mineral/gas rights (basically anything under your house) but you can draw up to 10,000 litres a day in water, and collect rainwater til the cows come home'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Semate Concurrent Resolution 1, HCR32, HB422'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Saw a video of a power generation project a hobby engineer did at his house.....he put a small water turbine on the downspouts of his water catchment system and manages to produce enough power to run 2 lightbulbs.....just from that falling water.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're about to build a man made bank out into a bay in Wales, about a kilometer long - partly to help protect against erosion, partly as a place for people to fish/walk/cycle, but also with turbines in it - 6GW'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an absolutely awesome plan'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas now gets about 20% of its power from wind.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats about as much as you want, really'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want to rely on a single source, you want your sources and your geography distributed'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'transporting electric is inefficient'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rest is natgas, and nuclear, and a few old coal power plants that are going to be replaced with state of the art natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should go solar and tidal too'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have both'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(access)'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar hot water makes more sense.'
T3/r7/2015-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 year return on solar power here, 2 year return on solar hot water.'
T3/r7/2015-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love that photograph that shows around 10,000 different galaxies dating back 100 million years or so with the HST.'
T3/r7/2015-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, snowball earth is not cool.'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i saw some amazing video of a UFO. turned out to be a drone. amazing facts.'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'which one, Aphelion?'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, what delightful news out of Paris. I fear that radical Islam may soon enough get the holy war that they so seem to want. '
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hmm?'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shot up a bunch of people in a satirical magazine'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, it is awful'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I feel like we should start denigrating the picture of mohammed on every site possible :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'once I learn to spell his name'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Radical Islam appears to lack a sense of humor and their punishment for anything at all is death. What fun!'
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they have fun '
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look at how they run from drones '
T3/r7/2015-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps we should nuke 12 ISIS held towns. An eye for an eye - that's what their holy text says'
T3/r7/2015-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'riiiiight... the ole' let's melt everything down strategy until nothing else is left.'
T3/r7/2015-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NECCO candies makes 4.8 million malt balls each day.....yum.'
T3/r7/2015-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hard tack bread baked during the civil war and was not used was stored by the govt and handed out to soldiers during the spanish american war, around 40 years later.'
T3/r7/2015-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest news: 3 social justice warriors dead in shoot-out with French special forces ending the Charlie Erdo hostage crisis'
T3/r7/2015-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think it also counts daily blessings'
T3/r7/2015-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'oops miss'
T3/r7/2015-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'qp transfer transactions would really show up in daily rankings, so I don't think so'
T3/r7/2015-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'oops miss'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the size of dangly bits along ethnic lines is a myth'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have compromising pictures of Wildmage with a mistress, they can be viewed here: http://tinyurl.com/myk26xt'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildmage: 'you shouldn't dis your own mother bro'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he likes them hung, I see.'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his bank login details will follow'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wildmage thinks it appropriate that nutcases in government spy on the public at large'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's why they were elected'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do people elect nutcases?'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost shrugs in response to Tigernuts's question.
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a good reason to knock country-level democracy on the head'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps there should be an 'opt-in' to government surveillance'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'in that case, not opting in would put you on a special list...'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Without a hint of irony, Obama announced that he will hold a "Global Security Summit"'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want global security, your only option is to wipe mankind off it'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that would have prevented the Charlie Ebdo attacks would have been not to allow huge numbers of islamic migrants from poor countries with very strict islamic cultures into the country'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once they are in your country operating as a fifth column or as a potential radicalisation point, you cannot be secure short of arming every citizen'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a blogger in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 50 lashes each week for over a year for suggesting that religion should play no part in the day-to-day running of government'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good to know what your 'allies' are like'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the end of the day, people with the opinion shared by WildMage, of which there are plenty, must realise that unlike many other areas where different opinions can happily co-exist, with government mass surveillance, your implicit acceptance of it denies anyone with the opposite opinion theirs'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for this reason alone it should be fought against'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Incramentalism - it just never stops'
T3/r7/2015-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the lefties in the UK are up in arms at changes to the pension system whereby pensioners can withdraw their pension pots in their entirety at retirement and do with what they like (subject to paying tax)'
T3/r7/2015-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does centcom even -have- a twitter account to get hacked by ISIS?'
T3/r7/2015-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'q: would people be against welfare if the same flat rate amount was given to everyone?'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that terrorism 'expert' on Fox didn't do himself any favours talking about Birmingham, UK'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no 'expert' on Fox does themselves any favors by being on Fox'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no 'expert' does themselves any favour going on any major US network'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they all have their own pet freaks, Fox, CNN, MSNBC'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a shame, because what he said was absurdly exagerated, but based upon fact'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the population of Birmingham is 25% muslim, there are parts of all major cities where you wouldn't go, but that in itself isn't new'
T3/r7/2015-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be the equivalent of him saying that Los Angeles is a city that is 100% black, and white people don't got here'
T3/r7/2015-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 4'
T3/r7/2015-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's election season, so in an era of growing inequality, what constitutes fair taxation?'
T3/r7/2015-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, Turkey been caught red handed trying to ship weapons to ISIS in Syria'
T3/r7/2015-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, 1700 private jets descend on Davos for the economic forum whose headline discussion is "Climate Change"'
T3/r7/2015-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Paris to sue Fox...discuss'
T3/r7/2015-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'paris wants to sure Fox news....discuss'
T3/r7/2015-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'soab sue'
T3/r7/2015-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paris who? Sue Fox for what?'
T3/r7/2015-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Meantime, Facebook is taking steps to prevent the viral spread of stories it doesn't like'
T3/r7/2015-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'people count fish and bugs. whats the point?'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, American troops are on the ground in Ukraine - that can't be a good sign'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, someone has to save you euros.....:p'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't use euros, but assuming I did, how would it save any?'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'euros as in people, not money.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saving the EU euro's would have been not letting your grubby nazi war criminal billionaire citizens fund coups in the country'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Tiger, where do you see that? I've been googling it, found nothing yet beyond Obama promising "steps against aggression."'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are american troops training in the west of the country, and american military types have been spotted in Mariuajpol'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, but where are you finding that? I want to read about it.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you want to stop problems in the ukraine?  it is all about natgas....build up your natgas infrastructure so that you are not dependant on russian/ukrainian gas, and the problem ends.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11097614/Nato-begins-military-exercises-in-Ukraine.html'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Thanks'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://rt.com/news/226079-ukraine-foreign-military-mariupol/'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly the mariupol american could just be a ukrainian ex-pat who went to university in the USA'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the Ukrainian government are non-Ukrainian right now, they were parachuted in by the yanks'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US could easily export natgas to britain, if we could only get those damn lng ports built.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't need natgas'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, ok. Glad to see that it's NATO, not just Americans.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NATO ---is--- the Americans, none of the rest of NATO would be prepared to do squat'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes you do, all your gas comes from russia....they have you by the balls.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather russia provided our natgas than the USA'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'frankly'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Even if it's only largely symbolic, at least it's not unilaterally American. That was my concern.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a very hazy line, rhavage'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of nato are being dragged into this, they didn't want it'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like the sanctions, most in the EU are spitting chunks over the sanctions because it is hurting them'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True, but a line nonetheless. And British troops are there, too, which (as far as I'm concerned) makes all the difference.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people here knew there were british troops there, the UK public would be shitting bricks and calling on our government to bring them home'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame france and germany, they started it.'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Article says troops from 11 countries. '
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that they care, they'll be voted out in 4 months time'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many governments in the EU are on the verge of being ousted by nationalist or anti-EU/anti-establishment parties'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece just have, Spain, France, even the UK'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just love MRE's'
T3/r7/2015-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news just in, far-left Syriza party wins the Greece election'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'anyone up for a debate about how wrong "interstellar" was?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you had a nuke. in your closet. what would you do with it?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes, im from cia. but still. '
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'ride irt on in'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'irt?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'ride it on in'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'on in. wtf is that?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'from armageddon with bruce willis'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'the crazy guy gets on a nuke and rides it like a cowboy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i've seen it. bad acting. don't remember:p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'well if I had a nuke I would use it on the un'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'all leaders at once? heck yea'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'good good. tell me more!'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'then we have all new leaders'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'bet thi is lagged'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'this is flagged'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'flagged?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'prolly'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'anything that has to do with killing leaders gets flagged by the cia'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no no, don't worry'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'ok?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after you have killed all the leaders, what next? what if you had another nuke?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'well all new leaders would want to revenge the other leaders'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'lots of bombs'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'had a dream I was nuking isis'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you cant nuke cancer. the doctors have tried'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'in canada'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'next would be the queen'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you can starve cancer, though'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'cant mis with a nukenuk'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wait.. can they just shrink it or kill it with radiation?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'nod'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'nuke the queen and thr rf'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'happens'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'rulebof thumb dont give me a nuke'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'cancer cells are pretty much dependent on glucose (carbs), and generally have far more insulin receptors than normal cells, so eat high carb meals -> lots of food available for cancer cells AND you get high insulin which signals that it's time for the cancer cells to eat and multiply'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have the next 10 years to live in fear. if no cancer then, then quitting smoking was the right choice:) if i'll have cancer in the next 10 years, id regret quitting smoking for the rest of my life.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thanks tiana.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'hope it gets better'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'tinada:p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'now how do I get m forst nuke'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'my first nuke'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at .... Hwuaijijal.
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they dont guard them very well.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'enough of this convo or I would get into trouble'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'where do you live?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh. nvm. im from cia:p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'in my head'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'I live in a house with an fbi ruler'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'no room for cia here'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothin' in the news except Auschwitz memorial services. Given jewish behaviour since the end of WW2, it's pretty hard to have any sympathy for them'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah, they do deserve to be judged as a collective'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, we'll narrow the criticism down to "citizens of the state of Israel and their supporters". Happy?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'imagine in a hundred years that Israel is still the only state in the middle east that respects plurality but they managed to achieve this by genocide of the palestinians... would they come close to killing the number of people Europeans did to get onto the western hemisphere?  <insert all other genocidal acts of nascent states).'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'judge them on their acts, not other peoples'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'doesn't go to my point, if we judge them for that, then all other states that I respect should be harshly harshly judged and all the other states that I disrespect would get it worse.  No one has a clean face in the nations game.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but their transgressions are recent and ongoing'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'all the un is is a giant risk game'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can forgive spain for the Armada, it was a long time ago and they've changed regimes multiple times since'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so when it you have a personal feeling about a nation, we should punish then?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'denouncing a nation is punishment? I'm sure Israel feels threatened that agree with Iran's leader about them'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'oreos is the solutions'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you started off with denouncing the jews, not a nation.  You quickly corrected yourself, but somehow I think you're moving to more reasonable language from  your original point without acknowledging that you were persuaded to move and why :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wanted clarity and i gave it to you :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'azarian block'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'hes a tool'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'I blame rpgs and people that know how to create them'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'never heard of a palestian blowing themselves up'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how hypocritical is that? France marches for free speech after the CHarlie Ebdo attacks, now France's government is set to hold ISP's criminally responsible for any 'hate speech' served by their servers'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'arugably most of what Charlie Ebdo published was hate speech.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it was'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but it was couched in humor, which is how us westerns perfer our hate speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate speech shouldn't be illegal, just like laws against anti-semitism should be removed'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'laws against anti-semitism speech, or action?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speech, in France and most of europe, belittling the holocaust is a criminal offence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, the hate speech laws are so wide and arbitrary that anyone could be prosecuted for hate speech for just about anything that someone else takes exception to'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes I am aware, just wondering if you would also remove laws that make it illegal to discriminate against jewish people in contracts, hiring, etc.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'discriminationg is something else entirely and doesn't need seperate laws for jews'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I am torn about the whole hate speech thing, I do think that there are speech acts that shouldn't be protected, but you need to be clear about what your definitions are'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate speech laws and similarly are entirely incompatible with free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for instance, I think publishing or making public speechs extoling the virtue of killing a certain race, gender, or sexual orientation should be illegal'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's inciting violence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Emm, I used to feel like you, a bit on the fence about it, but looking at the world now, I find that the only thing I've ever thought was evil was non-pluralistic thinking.  Hate speech being a symptom of that... It is the largest crime.  Not for its immediate impact, but because ideas are like diseases...'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not so tigernuts, you can have reasonable limitations on speech without endagering free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have to have free speech, or you have to NOT have free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we have is a lie'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you just disagreed with yourself tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh hate speech and freedom of speech are not the same thing.  Hate speech is a clear and present danger.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you said inciting violence is okay to make laws against'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but then you said any limitation on speech endagers free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racial hatred and inciting violence are two different laws'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we disagree about what is a reasonable restriction on speech, not about whether reasonable restrictions endanger free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'laws don't define or codify morality or propriety.... we shape the laws to reach the society we want.  racial hatred very very clearly encourages violence.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I'm not sure i agree that laws don't define or codify morality, I think we have many laws that do just that'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including laws against murder, rape, etc.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people could have speech that incites violence, but it's not what they said that would be illegal, it would be what they're trying to do with it'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'same is true for hate speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'they reflect it, are born from it, but they don't limit it or define it.  And they may help shape it, but something being law is not the same as it being moral, proper, or correct.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you are trying to incite hatered you are trying to incite violence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh, most definitely true'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes there is a difference between law and morality, but both shape each other'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if there is one thing I learned at law school it was that the relationship between law and morality is very intermingled'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inciting hatred is not inciting violence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by what standard tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but for causation?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me saying "I hate muslims because of the way they try to force their beliefs on others" is not like "Come with me and help me massacre all the jews"'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or probabilistic cause?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, so... is Hitler totally free of all crimes?  As far as I know, the only thing he ever did was give speeches.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I wouldn't qualify the first as hate speech tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but like i said, my main gripe is with the hypocrisy of the current laws'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'guilt by association'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'saying "Everyone should hate Muslims, because they try to force their beliefs on others" might be'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well my opinion is that is shouldn't "Might be", it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but what you said is just a statement of your own hatred not attempting to incite hatred in others'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'jews suck muslims suck and connan obrian sucks'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by your measure, the government and NGO's incite hatred every day of the year'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TV programs incite hatred all the time'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and "it is your duty as a christian to hate muslims and to do everything you can to harm them" is certainly hate speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Emm, that's inciting violence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its both'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'fixing the problem by fixing muslims is wrong'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be both, milkshake, but it should only be illegal because of the latter'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'one is a proper set of the other :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'subset*'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for goodness sake, a celebrity here was investigated by the police because whilst working on a documentary about obese people she commented that fat people were often fat because they ate too much'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'every one has two wolves inside of them ones hate ones love you become the one you feed most'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'are you saying that I would think that is hate speech?  seems like a straw man argument'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again we can debate about the exact line all day, but the point I was making is that we can place reasonable restrictions on speech without threatening free speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone was PROSECUTED for inciting hatred because they protested against the wars in the middle east by burning their rememberance day poppy and posting it on youtube'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's subjective'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and subjective laws are terrible laws'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'they're all subjective'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'we do you can go to jail for it'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'talking is talking if it shows hatred then its a hate crime'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not all laws are subjective but many are, we use the reasonable person standard all the time'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'called intimidation'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'thats all I know'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's why the law is really dodgy these days, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without the reasonable person standard we would have horrific laws'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well not to get side tracked, but absolutely they're all subjective...  not to be too pedantic, but we can't even get a majority of people to agree on metaphysics...  although we can get most people to agree that some things a murder, there are tons of edge cases.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because without it our choices are no liability or strict liability'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without it our choices are no laws against killing people, or all deaths caused by someone else is murder 1'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in this situation, the grey area just leads to self-censorship and resentment'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tigernuts could be bias, you might not be seeing all the beautiful things that come out of it, too.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats because european hate laws don't use the reasonable person standard'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they have some sort of quasi sensible standard of if the police and courts think what you said is hate speech'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's no help to you if you've already been arrested and have a huge legal bill as a result'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you need to be very explicit in your definitions, especially if you are going to invoke the reasonable person standard'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'system of laws aren't designed to get it right every time, but to tend to fairness overtime'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'if you get angry because you cant understand the other person is it a hate crime'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there needs to be a very high bar applied to hate speech arrests'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and to promote the social welfare, of course.  '
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'like now'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so perhaps something like, if a reasonable person would know that their speech was likely to engender hatred that would lead to increasing incidences of violence against the affected group.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i bring you back to Charlie Ebdo, how is that not hate speech?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well in the us our laws were originally designed to prevent innocent people from being convicted, but that has really gone by the wayside'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who said it wasn't?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'emm: not for white, affluent people :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think I started by pointing out that it was'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'affluent white people and reasonable people are not synonomous'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im not sure they even overlap that much :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh I meant that the laws still protect innocent white affluent people and the not-so-innocent ones'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh maybe'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it wasn't hate speech? just about every western government'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't accept that statement.  My perception was the opposite.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'in fact, what I can remember was that countries who have high rates of jailing journalists still called it hate speech.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well those don't tend to be western governments'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sigh, I meant both western governments and those governments'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the last bit was another joke :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's clear that the current hate speech laws are nothing but a "we'll prosecute you arbitrarily if we don't like your agenda" law, or at best, deeply flawed'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yup, but that doesn't mean we need to get rid of them it means we need to better define thenm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was basically one of my arguments, eitehr get rid of them, or define them far more precisely'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay well then we agree in part'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm )
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm smiles happily.
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arbitrary police powers are bad, mmkay?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the words feel inadequate.  Speech or not speech, the act was an attempt to invalidate much of humanity.  Call it violence, call it speech, but freedom of speech should not be a shield for such behavior'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not all arbitrary police powers are bad, but they are dangerous so should be avoided'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, should definitely be avoided is a free, liberal, and modern society - which is exactly why we see them multiplying under UK and US law'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'arbitrary and capricious is definitely bad'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sometimes arbitrary but well reasoned can help prevent overly strict or overly lax written laws be better used to achieve a more desirable society'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tigernuts, thats the crux of our disagreement.  I feel the hate speech label is designed to be narrowly tailored to agendas which we really should never like.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake nods at Emm.
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it's been proven that's not the case'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'such as when the prosecutor refuses to prosecute the guy who snaped and killed the two teenage boys who had raped and murdered his son.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'a society which tolerates bigotry is not free and it is not liberal and it is not modern.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigotry is stupid label, is arbitrary and nonsense'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a society which is intolerant of anything it defines as bigotry isn't either milkshake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Emm person again...
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'stupid word or not, you ahve not proposed another one'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have to have much clearer definitions'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people just call others bigots just because they disagree with them'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that might be true, but I am not doing so now'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'attempting to discriminate, or otherwise harm a group, or incite others to same.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'discriminate against sorry'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might not be doing so now, milkshake, but that's how our society and our government uses the term'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there isn't going to be a single word you can use because our language isn't that precise'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I do not accept that.  elements of society do, elements don't.  same with the government.  But, though our words and definitions may be poor, it is the most important social issue I can find.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we have to have an explicit definition with many words'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'climate change is way more important, but that is a debate for another day :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I qualified with "Social" :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'climate change is primarily a social problem'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and secondarily a technological one'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change isn't important, though pollution, biodiversity, and energy security are'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you could say all human problems are, with a broad enough definition, but I do not agree.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solutions to both are broadly similar'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'energy security is a meaningless phrase tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and climate change is one important impact from pollution'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'specifically greenhouse gases'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it is'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really isn't :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well my environmental science degree disagrees with you :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my physics degree disagrees with you'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'emm: fallacy of the expert'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no milkshake argument from authority'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'emm: same thing different name, good god, you both need to *try* to see what other people are saying'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not all argument from authority is fallacy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'without ceding ground, I believe you know what I meant'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really, the idea that citing professional credentials is somehow improper in argumentation is lunacy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the planet, it's population and habitats can survive higher co2 and can prosper in them. It cannot prosper on a planet where the water is undrinkable, the air is poisoned, species have been wiped out by tampering, and there are so many people that it cannot be sustained'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'professional credentials are important, though clearly not the end of the argument'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh lunacy, such an inflamed word choice :)  It seems to me to be a poor argument on a debate channel in a mud to state you know better because you went to school for it'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no doubt some will prosper in a future with higher co2 in the biosphere, but that doesn't mean it isn't pollution, or that it isn't an externality and an important one'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'producing net positive co2 is stealing from poor coastal countries and future residents of the planet'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it isn't stealing, we worked our asses off to have a better government and to reject the insanities inherent in poor metaphysics.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: '(said ironically)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what in the world does metaphysics have to do with climate change?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't the problem it's made out to be, it's an excuse invented by the Club of Rome'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its a liberal conspiricy perpetrated by such bastions of liberalism as isreal, iran, pakistan, india, japan, and indonesia?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to name just a few'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hyper religious country or cult of personality governments or poor understanding of the world leads to poorer rationalization, inability to generate resources, inability to stand up for oneself on the world stage... shrugs'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you said it was an excuse from the club of rome'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what are you talking about milkshake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they gave half a shit, they'd spend their effort getting people to have fewer kids, protect the rainforests, and replant the trees they've been cutting down for 400 years, and switching to local organic produce, locally sourced energy, and locally made products'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead they want highly mechanised industry halfway across the world to maximise the pollution, more people for slaves in factories, and destroy the biosphere with toxic chemicals and GMO'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"they" are trying to do all of those things, and I would add trying to find technological solutions, and educate people about how to make better energy decisions'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the club of rome is a UN think tank mostly staffed by extremely rich corporate types, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'out of curiosity why local?  It isn't at all clear to me that that would require less energy overall'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimal transport required, milkshake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that assumes that transport is always the dominant variable'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'still going at it?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well the IPCC is made up of scientists and analysists from the countries i mentioned along with many many others'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't always, but it's a major part of food and energy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sure, but I often hear sitars and tamborines when people say "local produce" instead of rational and sound thinking'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh deary me, I just made an ad hominem :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well to an extent it's true, if you eat local seasonal organic food, it has a much lower impact than eating intensively farmed produce from 10,000 miles away'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that much should be pretty obvious'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is really simple, we have more co2 (not to mention methane and many other ghgs) than we would naturally, this is determintal to many things and people'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise, a local tidal barrage is going to have a much lower impact than importing a tanker full of gas from thousands of miles away'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detrimental to whom?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is detrimental to people not in relation to their role in producing the ghgs and therefore it is an externality'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why should it be obvious?  factory food may require minimal irrigation, may require less energy (because it has more edible parts per ton), may require less human labor (which is also energy), may require less time spent cultivating (less energy), and may leech less from the soil'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'may, milkshake, but for the most part do not'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about anyone living in areas affected by sea level rising?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'please, show me where you get your figures :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just to use the most obvious affected group'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look it up :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the sea level rising?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'my memory does not agree with yours'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everywhere'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, it isn't here'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and it is your point, burden of proof'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maldives are still there'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it is tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'NYC, being a harbor and all, has had higher storm surges than ever in recorded history in the past few years, which some people have suggested is due to climate change... shrugs'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the mean sea level has gone up by how much?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are wrong tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also what happened in the netherlands, again?  and all those "once in a century" tsunamis?  If it is just random chance, okay, but if the weather is truly getting more volatile from climate change, ...'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how does this trend account for tectonic plate movement?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or shift in earth axis?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the earth's axis naturally shifts.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because otherwise you're asking people to believe that the sea level has gone up (or down) by different amounts in different part of the country, and if that were caused by CO2, then that's absurd'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2003RG000139/full  -- the abstract'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'increased greenhouse gases causes solar radiation to be trapped within the atmosphere eventually getting absorbed which turns into heat which melts things.... absurd?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that abstract does not put the cause at the door of human-caused CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is a little more complicated than that milkshake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and tigernuts are you seriously arguing that there isn't mean sea level rise caused by higher temperatures?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't what i said'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, Emm, we know, you got a degree.  Thank you for pointing out that it can't be reduced to a sentence :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this is one of the simplest and easily provable facts surrounding the climate change debate'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and the abstract blames thermal expansion, not tectonic plates or  axis shift, as for what is causing the earth to heat up, shall we google scholar that, too?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well you can't reduce something to an overly simplified sentence and then call it absurd, THAT is the straw man falacy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the abstract does, milkshake, though it doesn't account for the regional variations'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the sun is the reason earth heats up.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I didn't call it absurd, I was questioning him calling the idea absurd :p I don't think it is absurd'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however the abstract does not blame man mande CO2'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyway there are dozens of demonstrable effects of higher co2 concentrations in the biosphere'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, it repeatedly uses global mean, ie, the sea levels are globally rising as an average, which supports what Emm said, and it is due to increase temperature, also supports what Emm said'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is no reasonable person who has any understanding of the situation that doesn't think co2 is causing damage'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is a LOT of debate about how much, when etc.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are also dozens of demonstrable effects of higher CFC's in the biosphere which far more accurately match the temperature changes in the latter half of the 20th century, and accurately model the sudden cessation after they were discontinued'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even within the circle that the deniers will call the conspiricy makers'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are also many demonstrated ways in which solar weather affects our climate'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sun being the main driver of it, you know, the big round burny thing that the UN 'voted' to say had no impact on our climate'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is ludicrous tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is!'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without (and with, actually) the earth becomes an ice cube.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'show me where the vote occured in the record'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, without the sun.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'global warming isn't a problem, we have to worry about the heat death of the universe :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course the sun is the main driver of climate, but that doesn't mean that it is the main driver of the current trend'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the current trend?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we can easily (and do in all reputable studies) account for the variaibility from the sun.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '+1 or 2 degrees c per century?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, HDotU is not at all a problem for Earth.  We won't even make it past the death of the sun.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe 3 or 4 depending on who you ask and what exact measurmenets they are using'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'maybe you won't! :p'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, not at all'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we won't even make it to the death of the sun'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless we get the heck out of this solar system :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 or 2 per century is the extreme end of the current data set. 0.2-0.4 is what the data actually shows, and that's even with NOAH's manipulation of the data set'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sounds like a plan'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'where do you source your data, TIgernuts?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly derived from NOAH and NASA, Milkshake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'noah says 0.8 is the historic trend'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that is a 120 year trend look at a 25 year trend'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you choose 18yrs instead of 25 then the trend is 0c per century'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no the difference is 0, the trend is something else entirely'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know how to do regression tigernuts presumably since you have a physics degree'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the least-squares linear-regression trend for the 18 years since 1996 is 0'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hahaha'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I love physicists, they've never met a model they didn't like :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you like some quotes, Milkshake?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'can you show me some reference for that tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently neither has Hugh Hefner...'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake grins evilly at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without using 3 year old data preferably'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you say the least square linear regression trend from 1996 to 2012 is 0 I might believe you'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that is the very definition of cherry picking'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and choosing 25 years isn't?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh I read a very very excellent article on this who said that using any time scale smaller than 50 years is effectively worthless'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'don't see any reference to said calculation there tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'which makes sense, like trying to use fourier series to identify a song based on two quarter notes.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I do see a lot of malarky and pseudo science though'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see what you want to see'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'on the main page I see the phrase "Fraud, Serious Frauds, and ... "  .... do you not feel that inflammatory language is correlated with poor information?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say it was an agendaless website'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'in fact, all the titles are clearly politicized'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a political think tank, of course it's politicized'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't that it has an agenda it is that it is not using the basic principles of science'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, that's exactly my point.  In an argument about reality, you linked the website for a political think tank.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Emm's point, too, but it would be nice to have some specifics'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you think the UN is non-political? or Al Gore?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I didn't link pages to the UN, or Al Gore, or quote either'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or even bring them up'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the whole problem with the Climate Change argument, is that it is inherently political'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i did make that point quite early on when you brought it up'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhhhh no?  Someone can make a reasonable argument about an issue that is political in general, but not in the specific'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the people in power truly believed in climate change, you'd be seeing efforts to rein in consumerist culture and population growth'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact is, you do not'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the opposite is true'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also, all this is evasive, it is not very persuasive to get your data from a think tank, thats my argument'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all we get is hyperbole, massive exageration, fearmongering'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the data doesn't come from the think tank, the data comes from satellite data '
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the interpretation and analysis comes from scientists that contribute to the think tank'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's generally how think tanks work'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I am not all that terribly familiar with what all the people in power think of climate change.  On the other hand, I am eminently aware that nearly every ES person seems to think it is a given that man is causing global warming'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ES?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'environmental science'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what would they do about it?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they stop buying electronics, give up their car? Stop having kids?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course not tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'geologists, meterologists, blah blah.  I think whats beautiful about "what would they do about it" is that it doesn't matter to this argument.  What matters is whether they're correct, and I think as a set of people on the planet they're most likely tobe correct on this issue, not some politically funded think tank.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and those aren't the answers'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or do they just create a load of noise and carry on regardless, safe in the knowledge that the continued fearmongering will keep them in a job?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh there comes the ad hominem.  Clearly ES people are just a bunch of demagogues who couldn't get a NOA grant unless they chicken little, right?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'NOAA*'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the answer is primarily innovation, and secondarily correctly structuring our laws (especially property laws) to force the internalization of the true cost of carbon'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well follow that thought through, milkshake, it's already been proven that the claims have been exagerated. Now consider the possibility that technology over time will render the problem irrelevent'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it has not been proven that their claims are exagerrated'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I do not accept that premise'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were claiming 3-4 degrees per century and it's been proven beyond doubt to be bollocks'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is really ironic that someone who is denying mountains of evidence is going to claim that someone else's claims have been "proven" to be exaggerated.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will have to worry about resource wars and nuclear armageddon long before you have to worry about your favourite islands in the pacific disappearing under the sea'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'except of course that we already have all 3 of those things happening'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'welcome to the Tigernuts channel, Emm'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am a guest star here I think.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or at least a recurring role.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you still haven't told me what the environmental scientists want to do about it'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'that might very well be true, but resource wars may be hugely aggravated by climate change.  I do not claim to see the future, I only believe that, for me, I'd rather trust the conclusions of the academic ES than a think tank, or policy wonks, or power brokers.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've thrown a bunch of meaningless babble out there, but haven't told us what '
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'promote innovation to reduce carbon impact of our lives'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and provide an economic incentive to reduce carbon output and increase carbon uptake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make them money'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I would rather see it done with property law than taxing and spending, but I can't tell you how to do that without crippling the economy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we can easily calculate the amount of CO2 that leaves the system every year, and the amount that enters it (both from natural and human causes)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's the rub, when it boils down to it, you cannot really do much about it because it'll cripple the economy'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, there's one place I would get in bed with the republicans.... tell them all this basic research is good for corporations and for climate all at once and we should fund the shit out of it.  Who knows, maybe someone will come up with a miracle CO2 scrubber'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if we accept that a return to a preindustrial level of co2 is the ultimate goal with a leveling off of the climb as a primary goal'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can do that by returning to a preindustrial level of population'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then we simply have to structure the tax and credit system to account for that amount'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'give a credit for every ton that is taken up in and put into long term storage (such as by growing trees and using them for building materials), and tax every ton that is produced'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a realistic aim, Emm, it woul dbe more realistic to populate space at this point'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it would be more realistic to populate space than to impose a 22 dollar a ton tax on carbon (2 cents per kWh at current use electric generation mix and 20 cents per gallon gasoline tax)?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax achieves nothing'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you also give a 22 dollar per ton uptake credit it sure does'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it discourages higher carbon uses and encourages carbon uptake'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'jumping in here.  there's credible research that carbon *could* be used in creating 'tera preta' (a fertile soil with charred carbon chunks), and substantially offset the imbalance in carbon paths that damages weather and biosphere'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I might be wrong about the exact level of the tax and credit needed but it is almost certainly somewhere on the order of 20 dollars'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it might be as low as 4 dollars or as high as 100 dollars'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it certainly isn't higher than 100 dollars though'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Krikee: what is the biggest obstacle?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well firstly, you couldnt' impose a carbon tax, and secondly you couldn't uptake the CO2 at a faster rate than China and India are increasing their output'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course we could'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to both'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really couldn't :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is entirely possible for the US to unilaterally impose a 20 dollar a ton tax on carbon worldwide'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and everyone except the americans would ignore it'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'simply through its own tax structures plus trade credits and tarrifs'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we still have the market power to make it happen'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'Milkshake - with the caveat this is not my expertise, I'm unaware of any technical obstacle.  it's accomplished by charring wood or grass materials and tilling them into the soil'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the net effect of that is that Americans would pay slightly more for 'stuff''
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'probably won't in 20 years, but if we did it now it would become the default'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and would likely stay after we lose the market power'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'the main non-tech obstacle I imagine is whether people are incentivized or care'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes we would, but it would also cause countries that depend on the US market to implement their own tax to avoid giving money to the US for nothing'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'hence why I jumped in around Emm's comments'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the first baby step you could take (we could all take as national governments) is to stop subsidising fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah that would also be nice'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and reduce population growth to 0'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'agricultural firms may have a built in incentive to do this so as to increase soil productivity'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I assure you if the us imposed a 20 dollar a ton tax and enforced it with trade tarrifs on all US sold goods produced in countries that didn't have the same or higher level fo tax there would be a rush for other governments to impose the same tax'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be largely ignored'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'us population growth (from births) is already effectively 0'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'and plant health generally.  as an aside, the 'tera preta' has been stable in the amazon drainage basin for thousands of years, so it's likely a much safer carbon sink than some of the other ideas kicked around (like storing pressurized CO2 on ocean floor.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not quite but really close'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it'd also be illegal under pretty much every trade agreement the US has signed up to, including the upcoming TTIP'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'krikee: Biochar and bio-energy co-production is now technically feasible. It could be commercially profitable in New Zealand if we recognised economically its environmental benefits in soil carbon sequestration, reduced nitrous oxide emissions and reduced nitrate leaching into waterways. There is a need for publicly funded research support, including the validation andoptimisation of biocharâs crop productivity benefits.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your population growth will increase rapidly over the next 10 years due to immigration - ust like ours has '
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so long as the same tarrif rules were applied to all countries it would not change the most favored country status'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'Emm: the issue I see with your proposal (not saying it doesn't sound good) is that as a society we seem to be flailing at self-regulation.  at least in US banking system, politcal course was to deregulate Glass-Steagal and give us a lovely crash last decade over credit default swaps (CDS).'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but immigration isn't the problem'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration is a local problem'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah it isn't a political possibility in the us Krikee'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a massive problem for th eUK'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least in the us immgration is a net gain for society'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even "poor undocumented" immgration is'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikee: 'Milkshake: sounds like you know about it!  The only cost study I've seen for biochar was for a manual operation, that I believe lacked economies of scale and automation.'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'large scale immigration causes social unrest, always has, always will'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that doesn't mean it is economically a net loss'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it certainly doesn't mean that it contributes to climate change'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when was it solely about economics? You're the one likely to include externalities!'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at an environmental level, massive immigration into the UK is a disaster'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everything is about economics in the end'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'really?'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would love to see a study supporting that conclusion tigernuts'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, we don't have the infrastructure to cope'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easy, look at any graph of house prices, wages, health outcomes/waiting times'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'transport congestion'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not because immigrants are foreign, it's because of sheer numbers of people'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm over an hour late for bed, so you can look it up for yourself - but i am definitely of the opinion that population growth is the biggest factor in the vast majority of  ill, from pollution/climate change, to economics and poverty'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a lid on it, and the improvements you make to clean up other stuff will actually have a relevence'
T3/r7/2015-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fail to get a lid on it and you might as well trying to carry water uphill in a sieve'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul is on the march, this time trying to take down Civil Forfeitures'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Seattle to fine residents for throwing away food. I'm sure they'll be happy about that'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, feminists are up in arms at a bill being drafted that bans abortions based on the gender of the child'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange that feminists interest in ending discrimination ends at their own agenda'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I hate it with the fire of 1000 suns.'
T3/r7/2015-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oops'
T3/r7/2015-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has snow. must be global warming'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'whoa - i can talk on this already?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'care to debate?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Topic: "should abortion be legal?"'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'you kill it you grill it.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'that's one argument.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'not at the moment.  i had been asking newbie channel about rationale for alts prohibited from bidding.  helpers pointed me to debate channel.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'an alt bidding will cause either the bid to be driven up or transfer of items between alts, both of which are having your alt help your main'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes but in that case those who decide to raise children should decide how they are raised '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'makes no sense to allow people to kill children yet nanny those who choose not too imo'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'they filled in some of the details why it was "zero" tolerance approach.  my opinion coming into it was that if an item was transferred at market value then that wouldn't be gift, but an appropriately valued transfer'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but trading between characters is illegal thats the problem there.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'you can bid on your own items, with your main character then.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'as far as the imms are concerned two characters do not exist on the same plane'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'however with the birth control thats available there is no need'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'in any event if it involves logging two characters at the same time or any interaction its against the rules'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'if you've got something that's valuable and want to reduce the risk, sell it on market or organise a private sale'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'anyway "zero tolerance" is a mechanism to try keep alts cleanly separated.  though i'm not entirely clear on the "loophole" where something might get innocently transferred via intermediate chars'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that is a good point crikee'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'in that case imms will trawl through logs to determine if it was accident'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's illegal even if it goes through a dozen intermediate characters'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'someone mentioned on newbie channel that there's a unique id per item that can track that (for fraud prevention i guess).  '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yes'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how often does it really happen?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'ask an imm'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'for all we know 500 trades like that happen every day and their account owners are quietly banned'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'but seeing as i almost bid on one my alts market items (just wasn't looking at the seller) i can see this happening.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and if its a common item or a rare item might make a difference'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'if the imms were banning 500 people a day, they'd be complaining about it'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'nah... just type "ban 1" "ban 2" "ban 3'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'common items could circulate enough for it to happen on a semi regular basis at some point'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'that's still typing they'd rather not be doing'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'the best system is one that doesn't require much policing'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yeah, if your alt sells a carrion crawler water skin to an intermediary and its received by accident by your main you probably won't get nuked'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sailor Not Anaristos: 'it won't happen 500 times a day because the overwhelming majority of the players understand the rule and abide by it.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'thats true'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'months or years down the line even'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'intention counts.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'right - if it's a common item, then it probably doesn't matter anyway.  no intent to circumvent.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I suggest you not try to experiment with taht in practice :P'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sailor Not Anaristos: 'the problem is that there is no way to discern intention.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm fairly sure the imms use some common sense and judgement but it's best to just lock down hard so there's no question'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'exactly.  that's my concern.  a "prohibited" behavior that one could trigger without intent.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'therefore, no tolerance'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sailor Not Anaristos: 'the best way to go about it is too remember that your character doesn't know you have alts. Since you and your alt can't be logged on at the same time, this is easy to do.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'well, just check seller on market before buying.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there never needs to be concern...just act "normally" and there isn't a problem :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'i would prefer a unique tag on gear so you can avoid accidental xfer.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is a unique tag on gear'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'there is'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'id item'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sailor Not Anaristos: 'it's hard to imagine a situation where you accidentally transfer to your alt, though I am sure it is possible.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'how many alts do you have that you would mistakenly bid on your own auctions?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'physically prevent transfers instead of relying on idiot safety.  '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'anaristos, I think he's afraid he might sell an item to X player, who sells it to Y player, who sells it to main'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the items are known, crikee, but alts aren't "registered"'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'believe it or not, I almost bought my own alts gear cause sometime i might just not care who the seller is.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'learn to check then'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'or don't use alts at all'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'ok.  that's a position Aimbot.  not my preference.  seems the less fun option.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'its never fun when youre on the wrong side of the rules'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'those of with leaky memories and distracting environments might prefer rules that a lapse in attention won't violate.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'and that's all she wrote'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are plenty of rules that a lapse in attention will violate, but that's mostly cuz there are times when you're expected to pay attention...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sailor Not Anaristos: 'if you understand the operational principle of Aardwolf you hardly need to remember the rules verbatum. The main principle is that you only have one character. When you switch to an alt, that is your only character, and so forth.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'those with leaky memories and distracting environments should check the seller first'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I'm sure the imms are fair and would prefer to warn first'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when killing, you're expected to pay attention, and when bidding you're expected to pay attention'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '"would prefer rules that a lapse in attention won't violate"? Have you read help botting?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'that rule is literally "PAY ATTENTION OR GET NUKED"'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'when reviewing the 16 rules i don't see any other rules that a lapse of attention would violate'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i could see them having a nice chat and eating a sword u shouldnt have lols'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'banning doesnt build player loyalty'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'banning the right people does'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '^'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'actually banning cheaters does indeed build loyalty'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'agree with that - banning cheaters has a place for good community'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most cheaters out themselves at some point '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they cant help themselves'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'well, you don't know about the cheaters you don't find'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'Marrik - i agree from what i've heard the imms are quite reasonable.  that also builds community'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it all depends on the system they have in place to detect cheating'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'Aimbot: ok "help botting" - yep that's one i could easily see getting tapped for.  i do regularly have distractions.  typically not playing in a environment dedicated to Aardwolf and nothing else.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'also it would seem lasher is always busy updating or making changes here or there'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'from Rumour (on newbie channel): 'I'd suggest you change the way you play then...;'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'then find another mud'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you have to pay attention on this one'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'seems like good advice'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'yep Aimbot - I respect the fact that Muds and communities get to determine their rules.  and some of them don't want anybody who is casual.  that's ok.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'plenty of casual players here'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Heck, I play casually. :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm casual, I just pay attention'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, you don't have to pay attention here, you just have to pay attention while you're actively doing gainful things...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lackluster Lachdanan crosses his arms and nods sagely to you.
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'playing by pushing the rules is not a good way to play.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'think about it. if you want to play league of legends or world of warcraft you have to pay attention also'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you really want to slack you can try playing one of those idle games'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ack lol is so toxic'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'let's be clear, I have never suggest "pushing the rules".  but I am interested in what they really mean.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they mean exactly what they state...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the rules are what the imms define them to be. They haways of dealing with rules lawyers'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'but in general if you adhere to help rules you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'talking about the rules is fine'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'good lord.  i have not suggested following the letter but not the spirit.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: '...well, the spirit has been pretty throughly explained by two imms'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'so what's your question/'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no hidden agenda in the rules,they're not "trick" rules...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'nor have i suggested there are "trick" rules'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'then what is your question?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure you have, othehrwise you wouldn't have said that you're interested to know what they REALLY mean'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i need to smoke more to understand wtfun is happening in here'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'either they really mean what they say they mean, in which case you don't need to wonder...or they're trick rules'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'basically play with others not yourself'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): IMWatching Abelinc is playing with himself
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you are really confused, send a message to rumour, she's on now I think'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'then i kindly ask to accept my clarification.  i ask because not all people define things the same way.  discussions typically help.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i get to be a jerk when i want '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'what's the part you're unclear about?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'within reason'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'i'm just happy to see someone other than Tigernuts start a conversation on debate'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'well - we've just discussed some things i thought were unclear.  for example, innocently "laundering" an item via intermediate chars.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'Aimbot: they may not be unclear to you, but i appreciated the responses'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'if they aren't your characters, and they don't know your alts, it's fine'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what if your playing in north korea...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'If it's a genuine accident, the imms won't harass you about it'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if it's on purpose, you'll get nuked.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then everything is illegal'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how would that be unclear, when the helpfile specifically says that it doesn't matter how many intermediary people it goes through?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'in god we trust'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'Aimbot: no need to respond - we discussed well above.  answers did clarify.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'good. any other unclear portions of the rules?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I remember when Aimbot was trying to see how far he could push the rules :) He did settle down and is now a well-integrated member of the community :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'don't make the same mistakes I did'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Far better to clear the air on debate than to clear the air in a private chat in an imm's manor'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it doesn't help to start out with "bot" in your name ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the rules were designed in such a way that you need not worry much if your honestly here to play and have fun'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'Aimbot: from my read of the "help multiplay" i'd say it quite consistent with Lach or Rumour's earlier comments.  An actual innocent transfer doesn't appear prohibited.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'glad to know you understand it now :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'any more lingering doubts?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm the mud's expert on botting >:)'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'yes.  appreciate the responses earlier.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'whats the benefit to alts when everyone is focused on tiering?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or remort etc'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'help supernewbie'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not everyone is focused on tiering, and one benefit is to experience different aspects of aard without waiting until you tier'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'yup. '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'you already know my position.  i'd rather have a "physical lock" to prevent selling between alts on the market because i may rarely have an env for carefully evaluating everthing.  i think it's doable - but someone would have to code up a mechanism - and that's not fair.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'if you're pupping on one character, being able to quest/campaign/level on another can break a bit of the tedium'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'it's ridiculously difficult to code up such a mechanism'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: '<--- response to Aimbot.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and there would be ways to circumvent it '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cell check!'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'sure there are ways to circumvent.  but i prefer a setup that naturally differentiates on  intent.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'unfeasible'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'intent cannot be coded or codified...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'd rather have the techies work on improving game than some wierd item lock '
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'and i can imagine ways to code that aren't hideous.  just let me link myself to "Krikee" and bam - not allowed to sell/buy form him'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'multiplaying isn't a big problem on aard so apparently we have it covered well'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you can always add a trigger'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the issue, though, it's a manual opt-in...'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sounds like a job for the nsa'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you rang?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'manual opt-in is better than inconviencing an Imm because I bid on my own item.'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no one can be trusted!'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'feel free to code up such a feature yourself and send it to ideas'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'is the code available?'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'like I said it isn't a big problem so nobody has been working on it'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts yawns.
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'the Tigernuts, broadcasting daily'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'the Tigernuts channel, broadcasting daily'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'https://www.yahoo.com/news/gmo-mosquito-plan-sparks-debate-florida-021146335.html'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yahoo is a bad newslink - too many adverts'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yahoo news is terrible'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it all is '
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but regardless the gmo mosquito thing isnt settling well with anyone'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'the famous toilet paper roll. should it be up or down'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'gutter journalism'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'downloading several megabytes of crap to get 20 kilobytes of dubious data is "painful"'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I use Yahoo for e-mail, but the rest of Yahoo is crap'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i usually attampt to save data from links to an offline file when there is far more data than crap  '
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Wikipedia references are usually okay (although there is yet a lot of extraneous crap also there)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'synopsis: are gmo-mosquitos friendly'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Silverdrake, the laws only restrict those who are too derivative. Aardwolf is EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE than the law.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'And "derivative" is one of the most hotly argued aspects of all writing.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is...but again, this is not a conversation about writing'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Indeed. so to prevent argument lasher said, "this is the way things are. if you don't like it, get out"'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and the "way things are" is "domain will decide"'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'got it?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'WTF ever.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you have any more questions feel free to ask me, and if you have any lingering doubts I'll be more than happy to answer :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I'm glad you got your issue cleared up this time.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now if you want to talk about some interesting publishing controversies, how about james frey's treatment of jobie hughes, or james frey's workshops in general :-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'tbh aimbot - i find a more polite tone in discussion would greatly aid them.  the current tone could be more consistent with a community that wants more participants.  no problem with rules here.  but since communities (and founders) get to decide how they do / or don't welcome newcomers, it's up to everyone to set a positive tone.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I find the current tone acceptable. so does everyone else and so does the imms.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'i've asked "why?" on two occasions and get answers that might be implying that asking about rationale is perceived as trolling or tedious at least?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I think we've answered that question pretty well already.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you asked why, were answered, continued to repeatedly ask why and were repeatedly answered'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and then were shocked when we said shut the fuck up, you got your anwer already'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ahmagerd bad werds!'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) My Friend JellyMonster: 'lol'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'sigh.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"welcoming newcomers" is one thing, but those newcomers being obtuse and beligerant is yet another'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'not shocked in the least.  but a little perplexed.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'in the end, the imms don't really have to answer that question. they are god in this MUD, if they demanded that everyone perform the "breakdance" social 5 times a day or get nuked they could get away with it(probably)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'perplexed that we don't enjoy bashing our heads against a door for no good reason?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'belligerant?  if you feel that about sincere questions - that's your perogative.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no hidden reason...the reason given is the only reason taht can possibly be given...repeatedly asking it won't change that answer'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we have answered your question repeatedly'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the first question was sincere...the 25 other ones were beligerant'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'the answer is : "because lasher wants an original mud". '
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'if you continue to ask, I'll just copypaste so you get it into your head.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'and similarly, the first answer was sincere, and the other 25 were a lot less'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why do you drive a Chevy? Because I like it. But WHY do you drive a chevy?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a stupid question'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it will continue to be a stupid question'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'let's be careful with the judgemental words'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): My Friend JellyMonster pats Crikee on his head.
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: '25 eh?  guys i'm not into exaggeration.  if you really find asking why and digging into the rationale that bothersome - that's your perogative to approach that way.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and no amount of re-asking will make it not a stupid question'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you weren't digging into it...'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'we love hyperbole on the debate channel :D'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'we have dug into the rationale and find our doubts clarified. the only person confused is you.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was nothing to dig into...the rationale was exactly what you were told as a response to your first query'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'perplexed.  i do apprecate madcats linking aardwolf.com/builders.  that provided the clearest answer - good to see builders page aims to include rationale.'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ask like an asshole, get treated like an asshole...'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crikee: 'peace on'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'good. any more questions?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'where do babies come from?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Oh good, I say a total of 2 lines, and I win the argument'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that's why you were an IMM and I won't be, madcatz ;-)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Wait, I'm not an imm anymore?'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Madcatz sobs in misery.
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, every now & then I whois you to be sure'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I would hate to be an imm'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you & tymme'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'quick aimbot. don't let those glasses get away!'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I don't remember ever seeing those before...now they're everywhere!'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I just got a deal on the Brooklyn Bridge that Aimbot will be interested in :)'
T3/r7/2015-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'an Imm would hate to be you :>'