T3/r7/2015-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an intention in the UK to arm all police with a taser. I wouldn't trust british police with a toy gun, let alone anything vaguely lethal' T3/r7/2015-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://mississippiconservativedaily.com/tag/hb-1261/' T3/r7/2015-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the cats in the kettle with the greasy spoon...' T3/r7/2015-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'eat or dont eat hes already cooked' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the US networks making such a big fuss over such a small outbreak of measles?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'scare tactics' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fox news was practically calling for executions' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'They love to scare people,the more people are terrified,the more they will give up their freedoms to feel "safe"' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'nothing else happening in the world?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its the biological warfare from russia' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's plenty, but they do like to lie about measles vaccinations' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean.. it very well might be' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'im nog protected?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'Fox news is a laughing stalk,Anyone that takes Fox News seriously is not fit to walk down the treet' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'street hehe' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be Joe Stalin come back to haunt you personally, Hwua' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thanks' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'Fox news HAS to scare people and be sensationalist to get ratings,they are entertainment,otherwise they would go under' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'clever way to end a debate:p' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well on this topic, especially that Megyn Kelly wench is worse than MSNBC' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'Anderson Cooper is the only one on the major news networks that I have an inkling of respect for' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't get US networks other than outtakes, but i wouldn't watch any of them had i the choice' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he has almost gotten fired so many times,John Steward is the only one I really listen to,and he is a comedian' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'no seriously though,I listen to Vice news,VICE are the only ones uncompromised,and also the trews,and the young turks on youtube,' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cenk is a jerk' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he is' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russel is nice, but somewhat delusional' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he is arrogant and egotistical,but I like when he goes after cops' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a know-it-all' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he thinks he is,thats why that girl is always putting him in ihis place,even though he is her boss' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'and he is ALWAYS getting outvoted when they take votes to do something or not to' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a terribly useful situation' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just tend to aggregate' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'well,there are stories that I never would have heard about if it were not for the young turks,so they are useful to me' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone is saying the same thing, chances are it happened as they said. If they're reporting the same thing differently, you know there's some political spin going on. If someone isn't reporting it at all, gives you an inkling somethin is up' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'they cover thigns that other people don't cover all the time' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could say the same of most alternative media' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's alternative' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'which is why i like it' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'there is no Agenda with vice,thats why i love vice' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'they piss everyone off' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'stars and stripes is pretty decent, but its official military news' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm in the UK, not much in the way of alternative media here, not much in the way of media here' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can get here is to trawl the world news' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'watch VICE on youtube' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'some of the best reporting i have ever seen,they get fired at,they get beaten up,they go to where the REAL stories are' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'they go to north korea,its crazy what they do' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send them to syria' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"green screen" North Korea (y/n)' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'my god,that episode of VICE called the Hermit kingdom about north korea,one of the vice guys when with dennis rodman to north Korea,you want to see some surreal stuff,watch that' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell them to report on how much of ISIS weaponary is american' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'i think vice did one of the most complete pieces on isis that has been produced so far' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'if i am remembering correctly' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'journalism is mostly dead' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'OH yeah,they call it EXACTLY how it is,watch thier thing on afganistan,they tell all the facts about our failure,and what it is doing' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we boosted the heroine output 12-fold, it was a resounding success' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'mostly dead,but now that youtube is so popular,we have some people doing some serious journalism now' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'putting actors pretending to be reporters in front of a "green screen" is very safe (usually, for the actors)' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not journalists though, they're 'conspiracy theorists'' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'the vice guys have almost gotten killed so many times,watch some of their stuff' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only journalism if you rewrite a press release from an official source' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'the vets are pretty honest about what went on over there, cant really hide the truth anymore' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that was sarcasm, btw)' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sounded serious' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it was digital, not analog' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'well they are traumatized,especially the guys from afganistan' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the treatment of veterans is a travesty' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot of news in the USA is rewritten from other sources' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'seargent Struber,in the VICe documentary about Afganistan,said that he personally knew 14 guys that killed themselves when they went back home' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'if you watch the doc on youtube,youll understand why' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they didn't kill themselves then the lack of healthcare would get them' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'shades of McCarthy waving a list' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'shades of McCarthy waving a list (on blank paper)' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only news today over here is that stupid 3-baby bullshit' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'the documentary is called is this what winning looks like? here is the adress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'BBC ftw' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'oops i mean This is what winning looks like' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'well foxnews supports the vets as far as it enflames pro-war sentiment' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'save that and watch it later' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'when the reality of war starts working against that end...' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'save the adress,trust me' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'seen it elven ' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'you saw it?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'what was your favorite part?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the credits *duck*' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'oh thats not the one i was thinking of, have you seen taxi to the darkside' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'I saw that youtube video is this what winning looks like a year after I got back from Afghanistan and the same areas that are in the video are the same areas my unit had as our Area of Operations. I look at the video only a year after and it looks like we were never there' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'man, ever the skeptic' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'yeah well you need to see that,it is one of the best documentaries on Afganistan I have ever seen,and the soldier Ser. Stuber is one of the best people I have ever seen in my entire life' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'if you want to know what is REALLY going on there,watch it' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'i'll def check it out' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'you will learn so much,your jaw will drop' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'youll be stung with disbelief' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'taxi to the darkside it heavy, its about detainees who were killed in us custody and the jouralist who broke the detainee abuse scadals' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'another one that you HAVE to watch is called dirty wars' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'it's a documentary 10 years in the making from this AWESOMe dude,and it won the international film festival' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'remember, Dirty Wars' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'thats jeremy scahills film about drone assassinations?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'now that one i have seen' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'Jeremy Scahill yes' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'killing a 16 year old american kid because he was in yemen, and scahill breaking the story of the assassiation lists' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'I LOVE that one' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he did sucha good job' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'he was threatened many many times' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'his computer was ransacked,if he would have not have backed it up on flashdrives,he would have lost 7 years worth of work' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'lucky to still be alive that guy with his content' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'indeed,but the cats out of the bag,they can't do anything to him now' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Guardian's trove of intelligence corruption didn't live - they were destroyed' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'anyway watch is this what winning looks like from vice' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'and vice's inside the hermit kingdom' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'both will blow you away' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'global warming' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'isis' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much i can do about that' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'jimmy johns' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell your government to stop arming them?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'I am listening to Final Fantasy 7 music lol' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'one winged angel?' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a woman was awarded $1.5 million in damages because the accident she was in turned her into a dominatrix.' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'no this one happens to be shira corporation' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'i got all 4 OST's on my playlist' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'with alot more music' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, hans, i had not heard of that before, but it seems *slightly* more nuanced than that' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, she's obsessed with it, and prior to the accident had no interest in it. The science is there, yes, but that's essentially what her argument was.' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as bad as that kid who got suspended from school for threatening to make a classmate disappear with the one-ring' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'LOL' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the kid who was suspended for making the gun gesture? Didn't even have a real gun, just made the classic L shape and pointed at a fellow playgrounder.' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when rabid lefties get in charge of your schools' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, it just seems that she's also demonstrating poor judgment in many other areas of her life (although the sound-byte is a lot funnier)' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice they're still trying to pretend that last year was the warmest on record' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame it's not backed up by the satellite data' T3/r7/2015-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crimzon: 'I will pray for you' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, newspapers are having to do retractions after demonising unvaccinated kids for the disneyland measle outbreak' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think amateur review channels ruin the.. ruin everything' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'those with +1mil watch counts are the worst. so. much. bullcrap.' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no idea what you're refering to' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'various stuff that i know a bit about. when there are +1mil reviews or comments, then more than half of these contain just useless crap.' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a lot of blathering and witty yapping. and mistakes' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and that pile grows so fast nowadays' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anguissette: 'what are we debating?' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i say internet amateur-review's are mostly bs.' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'maybe, but better than no reviews in my opinion' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SirCanada: 'on average' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think there are now more crap than good reviews. review stuff to get clicks is bad. even when not biased or paid to talk' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so shallow and full of mistake' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mistakes*' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'how much would 1 gram of human brain cost?' T3/r7/2015-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to install. not to eat' T3/r7/2015-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Obama is expected to ask congress for war authority...' T3/r7/2015-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'wakka wakka wakka' T3/r7/2015-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'against the Islamic state' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA and Germany playing good cop/bad cop over Ukraine' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yeah they are' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing they can both do is butt out, which, had they done from the beginning, the current state of affairs would never have come to pass' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ukraine is in quite a pickle as nothing in the end will be decided by them' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and i c ukraine paid its gas debt to russia' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was paid for them' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'in a way yes' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it means more aid for uk' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in a way, in total, the EU gave them an emergency loan' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a loan which they wouldn't have needed if the USA had fucked it up in the first place' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people need to wake up and realize how bad the eu is' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly, they won't do that' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'any member of the eu is not to be trusted' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'any country in the eu has no soverienty. eu is just a fancy word for globalist run government' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the same as being run roughshod over by an overeaching federal US government' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh ya' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are threatening disabled people on ssi and ssd' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now itll be bankrupt by 2016' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DYAe8wEdILI' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'read an article that just showed stupidity' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign the partition to support Obama's National Illiteracy Program' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petition even' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: '"millions of facebook users dont know they are using the internet".' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facebook users should be exterminated' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're societal cancer' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my facebook is used to pull together tech articles and information ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'doesnt do anything for my business so its virtually worthless' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i use it to keep in touch with military friends' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use ICQ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a phone :-) or email' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i prefer linked' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'or facebook?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh linked in or whatever lols' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well by all means use facebook, but just remember that it's the equivalent of sharing needles with strangers, or drowning kittens, or causing global warming all by yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time you post something to your wall, ISIS executes a prisoner' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lol ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just how karma works, it's not my fault' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'afk posting a cat picture' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well they have much success recruiting' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'everything proves its really filled with the most ignorant people' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'maybe you just run in less intelectual circles?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well ISIS is just another fine American mess they expect the rest of us to clear u' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and then people are always trolling legitimate posts with bad grammar' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont have intellectual circles on facebook lols' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing personal, Gigglefluff, Facebook have the most dreadful business ethic, so I won't have anything to do with them' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i just write articles for a few companies and collect news' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Monsanto has terrible business ethics.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i have the kind of facebook employers love....' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'how often you buy fruit/veggies at a grocery store?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i stock up once a month ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly grow my own' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'frozen. canned is garbage and fresh loses nutrients when exposed to light' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of the remainder, some come from local growers, the rest from supermarket' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i eat less and feel better' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'my point is there are far far worse companies than facebook out there.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'hell the US government has a worse track record!' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not by much, gigglefluff, and in the technology sector, the only ones worse are Microsoft and Google, Cisco is about level' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hard to go soy/gmo free' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'hard does NOT mean impossible.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'near impossible around here' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'at least on my budget' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gotta have a license to grow here or u get fined and they confinscate your crops' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'tigernuts people dont understand when you use facebook YOU are the product. ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'where you live marikk?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook are guilty of gross privacy violations (for profit), also for pretending to be a transparent platform for speech (they're not), for being politically motivated and biased' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'theyre a corporation, they give zero fucks about people. that's pretty much the status quo since the 70s' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its in my player profile' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can give zero fucks about people and still be honest' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'tigernuts i agree with you, but corporations stopped caring about anything than the almighty dollar a long time ago. ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'everything is for profit even charity' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'especially charity, sadly.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'don't get me on a salvation army rant' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'LOL try wounded warrior project. OVER 50% of thier incoming money goes to the CEO and Board' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ya glad i dont have to worry about commercials too much anymore' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if its not isis threatening to behead people its guilt tripping commercials over dogs' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'uggh those ASPCA commercials...' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oops but i picture them saying that' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i would donate fifty cents a day if they raided amish puppy mills and sent me the footage' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i thought you didnt believe in lawyers....hahaha' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i'd give em a dollar a day if they went a burned down the houses of people who steal dogs and re-sell them on craigslist' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a corporation has terrible ethics then i won't give them my custom, Gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'theres corporations with good ethics still?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, there are' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even if there are not, there are corporations who have less bad ethics than others' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i support small business every chance i ge' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not using facebook and google where possible is a good start' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont do business online' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its not hard. just is for todays narcissitic youth' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't get to decide that, i'm not my own boss' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'last three employers asked if i would friend them on facebook.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'BAD NEWS' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people are so creepy anymore' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but i looked him up before the interview' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'thats just doing due diligence' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so i changed my facebook before the interview to match his expectations ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and to fake interest in some stuff he likes' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'who doesnt have all thier privacy settings locked all the way up anymore... ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even if it wasnt public i friended a bunch of random people' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i can just follow them and flood my facebook ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privacy settings on facebook mean little' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it keeps people from seeing shit on your wall, thus keeping people from being fired for dumbassery' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ya cause no matter what ur info is stored somewhere' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'well that's the internet in general' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i got a method to see if someone iis stalking my page' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an aside, i wouldn't work for someone who demanded access to my facebook' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if i had facebook)' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'agreed' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'although it certainly depends on the industry' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really,' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well they never insist they just ask. i play to their little fantasy' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if you need a top secret clearance they will check FAAAAAAAAR more than your facebook.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'frontline politics, maybe, certain sensitive security positions possibly' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'is tracked' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thanks to cctv' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'im sure the NSA can tell us anything we'd ever want to know about each other.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes but if they ever do its to blackmail you' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'or put you in jail' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more likely you would disappear' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'certainly' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'everything is a secret to them ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their favourite is suicide' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh man this was nuts' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my wife was in a cab and it got pulled over by homeland security' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they took his license on the spot ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'what was he doing?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'evidently he had two passengers the day before he didn't charge for a ride' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'and that's home land security? daaaaaaamn' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it was at a parade ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'makes more sense then' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so he was either set up (more likely)' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or they got him on camera' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why take his license?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly, homeland security run checks if you buy a car or motorbike, too' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'evidently its a department of transportation violation' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(from a dealer)' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not charging for a ride is a violation?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my wife said the dhs car pulled out from a local college before they stopped him' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'makes sense because the sheriff station and jail are behind the university here' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds distinctly dodgy to me' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are turning homeland security into an armed tax-police' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your country is circling the plug hole, come join the fun!' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'about ten miles from here there is a tech company that makes spy tech for the gov' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're already headed around the U-bend, come join us, it's fun!' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are in the old ibm building' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ibm used to use local public records to test their computers' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i have a longstanding joke that this city is really a testing ground' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'I grew up in the town IMB started. that and Mayo clinic kept that town alive.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you grew up in a town supported by a company whose roots were in Nazi Germany? Nice' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explains a lot about your views on Facebook :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'since we pick our birthplaces...' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'binghamton' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ibm was founded in endicott ten miles from here' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'good o' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you pick your views, however' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that is true tiger, but there is no correlation to your previous statement' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'okay I'll divulge my secret' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life's full of non-correlations' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but its counter productive when debating' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately in this case it was just me not being funny' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'basically i have my facebook set up so it reccomends friends of friends who are mostly random' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not debating, we're having a conversation' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'how dare you not debate in the debate channel' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i had someone i know search me on facebook for a week' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no more than once a day' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'after the first few days they began moving up the people you may know list' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'at the end of the week they were the third referral' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so I've learned that if someone is stalking my facebook they will pop up in my list higher and higher the more they search me or look at my facebook' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so i look for the people that move on the list :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's a debate you want, you'll need a subject' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets debate my theory that we are essentially creating a greenhouse....' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that we will clone dinosaurs' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i wouldnt be surprised to find out we already have' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and evolution will happen all over again when humans die out and the dinosaurs roam free' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already clone dinosaurs, it's called the Democrat party' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'esentially we created the dinosaurs to begin with' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but who created the apple?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Steve Wozniak' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'actually i believe the forbidden fruit was figs' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'eww im not a fig fan' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they were round at one point' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'until the tree was cursed the second time by christ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols jk' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'christ and his black magic!' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it is highly likely that if jesus did exist he is nothing like he is pictured today' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'well of course, hes mexican' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'im no christian but this new pope is not very pope like ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesus was an arab' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'aint that the truth' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hes very violent and narrow minded' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and undoubtedly a paedophile' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i would rather take advice from the dhali llhama ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he is very humble and definetly not a hypocrite' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to take advice from anyone except the government' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only worries me that China may very well replace him when he dies with their own figurehead' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i had heard he was going to be the last llhama?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'normally they search out a successor. it involves taking items that belonged to the last llhama ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they travel and interview children' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'yup' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and ask them if anything looks familiar' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the child that picks only the items that bbelonged to the llhama is chosen' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he is trained and holds the title of ponchin llhama' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the last ponchin llhama went mssing probably kidnapped' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt china will allow another' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'however they cannot choose but one successor' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china don't like any threat to the priamcy of the communist central command' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that include any/all religion' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so tthere is no successor atm' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and that's slightly incorrect' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'china has picked their own ponchin llhama' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are setting up their own state sponsored form of buddhism' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the Tibetans will not re write or go against the custom' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so it certainly looks like china will have their way' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if tibet says boo, china will just invade' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i almost went to a meditation group till i found out it was in a non denominational church and most likely state sponsored' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'china has wanted to obliterate tibet for a looooooooong time' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most churches in the USA are state-run' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'and they're ALL tax shelters' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they charged people to get lectured. real buddhists don't do that' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all, just most' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ive read the gita and i have to say i am down with buddhism way more than christianity' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the bhagavad gita is hindu' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'good read' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i found a site if you want to read buddhist sutras' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'sorry dont know wtf i was thinking there. yeah i got a copy that had footnotes and such so i learned a lot' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'sure, i love learning about religions.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'k one sec' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no rush, im not leaving soon' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ack ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is awesome' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such an excuse for amusement' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'damnit lol' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'one more sec they took down the original site ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.buddhanet.net/ftp08.htm' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats mahayana sutras' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ok' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gonna put up a link for theravada' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.buddhanet.net/ebooks_s.htm' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'stuff is hard to get your hands on these days' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should the government be able to kill or cause lifelong disability through an involuntary injection?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'vaccines are safe ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the ones that aren't' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'vaccines are not safe' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'not vaccinating is unsafe' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'a quick internet search gives you mountains of research validating my point.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: '3rd world countries still vaccinate for measles' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if not vaccinating were unsafe then they wouldnt push vaccines so hard' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the illness, depends on the vaccine, depends on the situation' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz they have your best interests at heart...' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they bragged they eradicated measels in america with vaccinations so what hhappened' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats a lie' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they fail to report people who get vaccinated and then catch a different strain' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't eradicate measles' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and there is no ellis island' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they dont qurantine people ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'napoleon was spanish' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like you can't eradicate the flu' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there are other ways the government is failing to protect us' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'actually they are exposing us' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its against my personal beliefs to take a solution from the person who caused the problem to begin with' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we are gonna end up a third world country its inevitable' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'there will be a revolution before that happens' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'think about it all these immigrants taking your job' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'free handouts' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and now 3d printing is gonna finish it' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no use for all that outsourced and imported cheap labor' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there will be no revolution' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'the idiot republican caused an epidemic' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'perhaps a small uprising that will be squashed and swept under the rug' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'too bad it doesnt just affect them' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but its not a numbers game' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more people isnt better' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'maybe the usa will break up like the ussr did.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all the best techs work for corporations and the government so count most of them out' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'epidemic of what?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your average person has such low intelligence they cant even pick good leaders which is everything ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't heard of any epidemic in the USA' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the few intelligent people left wont risk treason' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'epidemic of dumb maybe' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will take whats offered to them ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'alex jones will just run to his bunker. hes paid opposition' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lol alex jones' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was never vaccinated for measles because when i was a child there was absolutely no need. When someone in the family got measles, you made sure to spread it to every child who hadn't had it so that they'd get immunity' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'thats exactly like the vaccine, except more dangerous' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'measles vaccination programs are a result of a people moving about the country far more than they used to, combined with a rise in the level of stupidity of people not taking responsibility for their own actions' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a lack of community mingling' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so you believe the same scientists and doctors who continually lie..' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'break protocol' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and over prescribed anti biotics' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'creating anti biotic resistant strains' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had a tetnus shot, and menningitus, i believe, that's about it' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the anti biotics werent always necessary and look what over prescribing did' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, polio, had that shot' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cant wait to see what all these vaccines accomplish' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i had all the regular ones plus anthrax, small pox, and some other goodies' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had kids, i'd get 'em polio, tetnus and menningitus shots, fuck measles, flu, hepatitus' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'will probably just lead to more strains and faster mutations' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i refuse flu shots now' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'would you also teach them spelling?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely pointless risking my health for something that doesn't work' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'flu shot is stupid unless youre old as fuck or have aids' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'flu shot is.never the right strain anyways' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu vaccines are a money-printing machine for pharmaceutical companies' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you know how many vaccines you'd have to get anyways' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might as well be selling a placebo as a miracle cure' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'they're saying 23% effective this yr' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3% this year, Indignation' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they want me to give my kids roughly 100 shots ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'screw them' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they have a few but only the ones tigernuts mentioned' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'MMR is a good one too' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines are only useful against non-mutating illnesses for which a vaccine provides close to 100% resistance for life' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MMR is a terrible one' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not a fan of flu vaccines, but anyone who doesn't get their kids the MMR and TDAP vaccines should be imprisoned for child endangerment' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'agreed emm, and everyone elses child' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what TDAP is, but MMR is unsafe, you'd be better off just getting seperate mumps and rubella vaccines' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think they should stop hiding the bottles' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and stop mouthing off to people who want to know more ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'my mom got measels before the vaccine existed. she has permanent hearing loss from nerve damage because of it.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i tell doctors all the time around here i have no reason to trust you just bbecause you have a degree' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did she have it as a child, Fiendish?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Tetanus Diptheria and Pertussis' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'giving me the run around and dirty looks isnt trustworthy behavior' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I tell all the bridge makers all the time around here "I have no reason to cross your bridges". I tell all the elevator makers "No thanks, asshole, I'll take the stairs to the top".' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why wouldn't you want a measles vaccine tigernuts?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the bridges here i wouldnt walk under' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ill post pics and give u a link and u can debate me on that further' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'elevators depends..' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most are checked out and pass inspection but are barely ridable' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I tell NASA "I don't believe you went to the moon. you clearly used photoshop."' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: '23 is per the cdc in january' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must have different shots to here, BBC are reporting 3%' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course if you want to just trust people your a disgrace to your ancestors' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's kind of weird to argue with people who spend decades in medical practice learning more about something than you' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'question EVERYTHING' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'go back in time and tell them u trust doctors and the government lols' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'argue with Doctors here, Fiendish, their answer to pretty much anything is "we don't have the money to offer that treatment"' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ya and some doctors have kkilled people' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for everything else there's SSRi's' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some are pending mal practice lawsuits' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I dont think they give SSRIs to vaccinate against measels' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god bless government healthchare' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'both are pretty sorry tho. i'll agree with that much :p' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some will give you a special prostate check' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would for just about everything else' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'trust no man insofar as he is capable of error' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for measels they'd tell you not to come in, but instead paracetamol and plenty of fluids and stop acting like a pussy' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'here they print up info off web md with your discharge papers' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly ebola, is it?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so keep thinking its weird. but thats probably from a lack of self confidence and self esteem' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its also weird to push vaccines and whats rightly called invasive treatment' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who is rabidly pro-vaccine, alog with anyone who is rabidly anti-vaccine, should be kicked up the arse and told to go do some learning' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'very true' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'agreed' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i like to know what's in the vaccine ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how effective it is ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'etc ' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not anti anything really' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just that, you need to know and understand the risks of the thing you're vaccinating against, it's method of transmission etc' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i still think its the teaparty bozos. the shots were preventing big epidemics previously' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'previously? you haven't -had- an epidemic of anything' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let alone anything nasty' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'stupidity is an epidemic' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and nasty' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population is an epidemic' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'vaccinate for stupidity' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'pompeii' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Whoops.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't a vaccine, it's an anti-pregnancy implant' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if they want to make vaccines mandatory, then a contraceptive implant should also be mandatory' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah because preventing epidemics and eugenics are morally equivalent Tigernuts' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with morals, everything to do with effectiveness' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a contraceptive implant should be a prequisite for receiving any kind of welfare' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'more cases in 2014 than since the turn of the century' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cases of what?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'measles' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do know that patient 0 was a twice-vaccinated person?' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'heresay' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'we're doing it wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda ruins your argument. you get flare-ups naturally for any illness that is in the population' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened here a while back, too' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a way it reminded me of the the mass hysteria that surrounded that court case where they were trying to blame a heavy metal band (i forget which) by suggesting that if they played the music backwards it contained messages convincing their precious kids to kill people' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i think its more than a flare up' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a flare-up' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not an epidemic' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the CDC brief seems to agree with me in that most cases are caused by increase mobility of population these days' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be surprised if there were any fatalities' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris, in the UK, anyone buying the magazine were investigated by the police' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I finally figured out why Tigernuts is anti-vaccine, he is trying to get people to kill off their children as part of his plan to reduce populations' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I'd wager it's moreso the "I'm going to pretend to believe whatever the most controversial belief is" mindset.' T3/r7/2015-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'But just a guess' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the next 5 highest skyscrapers will be built in Asia... just trying to be funny(not racist) here: might it have something to do with penises being different sizes in different continents?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'one will be a curvy one' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't the malaysian opposition leader just get jailed for bumsex?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yep' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but the next will be 4 in china, 1 in s-korea' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaguely amusing how completely unfunny and illiberal the world is' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im all for homogays having all the rights. just behind closed doors:p' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how extraordinarily lazy the UK legal system is that they would criminalise most of the population on the grounds of saving money' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so you are insinuating with that "joke" that, while in the USA the size of a visual penis is the car an American drives, in Asia the visual size is height of the skyscraper' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't for the fact that the whole world is shit, i'd consider emigrating' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts used a bad word to spoil the debate' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was no debate' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you've been practicing your goose stepping' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has war broken out yet?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts used an ad hominem to wreck the possibility of a decent debate' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares about tall buildings, anyway' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'superman?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know for the leaping over part of his shtick' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like neocons souls - he doesn't exist' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I didn't know there were souls that did exist' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that don't exist don't exist, the ones that do do, however' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all that "alleged" education, and you indicate the "supposed" education was wasted. (the "Superman" retort was unbelievably pathetic in a debate channel)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounded like digital static to me' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do it again?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tall building(s) may build national pride -- something for the peasants to justify their meagre existence' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, it's a boondoggle, a waste of money, a vanity project for rich snobs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, you seem unhappy, maybe a tall building in the UK may fix your attitude' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want a tall building in this country, their only use is as a target for the saudi government to pay someone to fly a plane into' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'President(e) Bush was friends with the Saudis' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which one?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the establishment are' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have money' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a tall building as a target means low buildings are safer ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to way up which is a more hateful country, Saudi Arabia or Israel' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly both members of the "bad guys" club' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, check your "who ignored" -- how many are israeli supporters' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who ignored found nobody for me, I guess I am not as offensive as I thought.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'they are keeping tabs on you then' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'you guys need to try harder!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for them' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'checkname nobody Nobody is on the badname list.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already wander about with the fear of god in them, have armed guards at synagogues. My disapproval of their homeland government's terrorist inclination isn't likely to register on their 'give a shit' scale' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're more likely to find is some paedo american neocon who has a fascination with arming Israel for the purposes of maintaining the world in a permanent state of unrest taking exception and trying to brand any criticism as anti-semetic' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not much worry there Tigernuts anyone who listens to you for more than 5 minutes will realize you aren't anti-semetic you are anti-human' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hey, i'm not anti-human, i'm just anti-arsehat' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my fault there's a lot of it about' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im not sure the two aren't existentially cohabitant' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm willing to believe there's a small subset of humans who aren't arsehats' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like looking for bigfoot ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have never met one, including myself, unless you count children too young to talk.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the UK british are extremely racist with the Oxford dictionary definition of anti-semitic (seems extreme prejudice against semitic Arabs is not anti-semitic)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I am not sure about the young children, it might just be harder to tell they are arsehats' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i only can claim to have found a few of that description but mostly they are hermetical in nature' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd love the new drug-driving laws they're bringing in' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sure' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most hilarious fucked up logic you're likely to see' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'okay lets here it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminiscent of the sort of thing you'd get out of Louisiana state legislature' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, despite having the safest (and busiest) roads in Europe, the do-gooder brigade decided that they needed to clamp down on people driving while unfit due to drugs (that's the name of the offence, btw)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so far so good' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rationale for bringing in a new law was that it was too COSTLY and too DIFFICULT to prove in a court of law that someone was unfit due to drugs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Monty Python and the Flying Circus warned about the (wannabe) upperclass twits (and the laws they pass)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it being a terrible scourge causing almost no deaths each year' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wait so they passed a law that doesn't require you be proven guilty in court?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well people who use drugs for recreation have no business doing anything outside of prison' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they passed a law that allowed mandatory drug testing under certain arbitrary and easily abusable conditions testing for 8 illegal and 16 legal drugs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'define "drugs" sir :X' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'marijuana isnt a drug, indignation!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'presumably all drugs that impare judgment or other crucial driving abilities?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'those who do drugs for medical reasons have no business driving' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they decided to set the limit for prescription drugs at the highest doseage a doctor would prescribe, and the illegal drugs at the lowest dosage that wouldn't cause a false positive, after all, they didn't want to give an impression there was an acceptable level of illegal drugs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats good' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yet then gave the option for a medical exception from a doctor for prescription drugs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean I am on at least 3 drugs for medical reasons but none of them have any effect on my driving ability.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'marijuana impairs and slows down the driving response' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's look at what the law now says:' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some people take more then prescribed' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if somoene crashes their car after dangerous driving, gets test, is found positive for prescription drugs, they don't get prosecuted' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'this law will get them the help they need' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone is driving safely, pulled over for a taillight out, tests positive for cannabis, they get the book thrown at them' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i dont disagree xyliz, it's still not any more of a drug than an apple' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's why you talk to your doctor when meds arent working as well' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me how this does anything for road safety?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'http://thehill.com/homenews/232086-feds-find-no-link-between-pot-use-and-car-crashes' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'but they intend to prosecute anyway, yeah' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its sad that the government has to try and enforce its own idea of common sense because so few have any' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rule of law is dead, folks' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fluff, you are quobbling and obfuscating on the definition of a "drug"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'what Tigernuts said.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'marijuana contains controlled substances and is a "drug"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and people take for granted that responsability comes with power. and power with responsability' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people have little of that' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'it's currently a schedule 1 controlled substance, above cocaine' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'marijuana causes "drug"-like symptoms' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'no one who's tried both can claim thats not ridiculous' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'their own lack of morals and values is the true cause' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'marijuana converts humans into dopes' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'hardly' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'xyliz i cannot accept an unprocessed natural plant is a drug' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could go to amsterdam, legally smoke pot, come home, and 3 days later be pulled over for a tail-light and be arrested for testig positive' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'marijuana releases feel good chemicals as they are called by liberals' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hence its a drug' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'we've raised so much tax money they have to give some back' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so does diet coke' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'liberal hillbillies call it medicine ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is medicine, for a number of illnesses' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and suddenly everyone is sick' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'right?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Marikk I dont think you know what hillbillies are?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you never take painkillers, or anti-histamines, or casual cold remedies?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your a fourth generation hillbilly duke of degradation and liberal lady boys!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'because they hit me worse than cannibis' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you never drink coffee, tea, red bull or similar energy drinks, or eat candy?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if marijuana is a drug then coffee sure as fuck is a drug' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"unprocessed" natural hallucinogens (peyote, mushrooms, opiate poppies, cane-toads) are yet "drugs"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it is' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'disagree, xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not careful, Xyliz might come up with a point' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'shown to improve reaction time when done in moderation' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'they are not "controlled substances"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'medicine as your calling it is all at least proven to delay reaction time' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'use of "cane toads" is "controlled" in Australia' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'to each his own I guess' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then there are other factors' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think you'll find the difference between them and pharaceutical drugs is that the government's funding buddies can't make a huge amount of money out of naturally occuring drugs' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so a "cane toad" is "controlled substance" in Australia' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'bingo tiger' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all the posturing by conservatives, that's what it boils down to' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like how many other drivers are on the road...' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how efficient they are at driving' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all things theyre computers probably tell them' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'complate sober morons out there, at least I hope they are on something the ones who do act the way they do' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all these politicians are science and tech crazy' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but half of them don't believe in science' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the more important thing isnt the law' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they cared they'd made it illegal to drive while under the influence of advanced age, or while male' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its whos writing it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'male?? dont you mean female?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'caffeene increases response times -- marihuana slows down response times' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately not, gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'that would be sexist' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they propose laws they know wont get passed everyday' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women drive badly, not dangerously (typically)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sometimes just to mock the opposition' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'other times because people are stupid and will pass these laws' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure what the solution is, but i'm sure more government isn't it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not more nor less' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some uppers are used by the military pilots to fly jets -- those uppers are controlled substances because some ordinary citizens abused the use of those uppers' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'better leaders' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better police/justice system would help' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'they arent using meth anymore in the military' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gotta make laws of our own l' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is the justice system is owned by the politicians' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that are just as rridiculous but that get as them' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'start with all offenders in the senate' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'any misdemeanor or felony' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've already got a workable solution, Marikk, Sucede' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'eventually the usa will split up like the ussr did.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best i can manage is become a hermit and hope they all fuck off and die killing each other over pointless bullshit' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's beside the point' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they will probably just get vaccinated in a fema camp' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'nice' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever floats there boat' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just a giant roach trap' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their*' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are probably purging in phases' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'bringing ignorant immigrants in to anticipate the losses' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck, your neocons will push to war with Russia and you'll end up nuking each other' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they really are that stupid' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'first veterans and political threats that are in the public spotlight' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'a few here and there that are' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'start by denying them care' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA is not going to spilt up' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'first by making them sick' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course not, Xyliz, that'd be useful' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'thats what the russians thought too!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'poison in the food is a sign someone is trying to kill you lols' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA is not going to split up -- "Americans love their unified country"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the rich then buy the land' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'except the ones in Tx and Co that have tried to leave already?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they dont raise attention' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no from the government' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they' love it up until the point they realise that their states governments have no power or control anymore' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the only ones willing to sell to who they want too' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'partially its very similiar to the indian caste system' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'anyways then they need dependeny' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the indian caste system was a disaster' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have that, more of a direct serfdom' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'kill off the enviroment' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's stalled' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so they ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'engineer and own the rest making you dependen' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'c-c-c-c combo breaker' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Killer Instinct?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bedtime for me, another day of slavery to look forward to tomorrow' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but if you like "the indian caste system", perhaps you like "apartheid", and the USA when the slave system was not yet fully disbanded ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US slave system was never fully disbanded' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it just rebranded' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont like it but thats what the gov likes' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'simplified hiearchy with the eye at the top' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i'd love communism if people were'nt so fucking flawwed ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'and yes emm, KI ftw' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism could never work in practice, it's like talking about a point mass' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism is what is flawed not people' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'knowledge is the ultimate power. he who sees all knows all he who knows all is a god!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no, it really is people' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like jim carrey in batman forever lols' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if it wasnt for greed and pride communism would be fantastic' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so basically you mean if it wasn't for humans, communism would be fantastic' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well marxist communism is a fraud' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it wasn't for greed the human race would never have evolved' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'true communism may never really work because of mans predatory nature' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but it probably would work better' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism works wonderfully for groups that are mutually interdependent like nuclear families' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best form of organisation of government would have to be very small democratic republics where certain rights and implicit in constitution' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'though really any system works well for nuclear families' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'serving a population of no more than a couple of million souls' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'communism is a bad social disease' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'just like capitalism, democracy, and monarchies, etc' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are nothing alike' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'sure they are emm, none of them are effective.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'an anarchist' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism and capitalism are economic systems one works the other doesn't' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd argue neither works, long term Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'democracy and monarchy are systems of government, neither of which works ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'um... which one works? because i look at the prominent countries using both systems and they're all in trouble' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'humanity is at a cross roads' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'capitalism works, until it is corrupted by governments' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just corrupted by governments' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'just like communism' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism doesn't work in the literal sense' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism doesn't work at international scales' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as in it does not convince people to produce goods and services' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not tigernuts?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'capitalism works until it is corrupted by communism' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i'd beg to disagree. there are tons of communes set up throught the world that work wonderfully. once you start adding more people then they start failing because of greed' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it escapes the ability of sovereign nations to regulate it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'marxist communism is ideal if you have lots of money and power' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you end up with the situation we have where corporations are beyond control and you have capitalism where there is no capital' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that doesn't make it not work Tigernuts, it might make it flawed or even bad, but it still works' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'either way i think this forced sharing should stop' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism is what caused the breakdown of capitalism' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tired of paying for wellfare and not benefitting from it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'you dont benefit from it? take away welfare then watch how much crime jumps' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i wanna sign a paper right now where i give up my right to ever collect if i can keep my money' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those on welfare are a result of an economy where the rich grab most of the riches' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so crime spikes' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you're assuming that the only people who benefit from welfare are the recipients' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that isn't likely true' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'arent cops looking for people to kill right now or at least beat up on' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in a communist system, the majority is on welfare' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it wouldnt be a spike. it would be a permanent increase because now you have people having to steal for food.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have people having to steal for food now, and in every society we have ever had in recorded history' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'then that theft adds to costs of food which you pay for' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'soniet russia with the long line ups, merely to get food' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no one should have too' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'agreed emm, but you take away welfare and look how much worse it would be' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'companies would rather throw food away then not sell it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'which is fucked up' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they throw more then they sell sometimes too' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so screw carbon tax' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where are they stealing for food in the USA' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'food waste tax is the way to go' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'there are TONs of homeless in the usa...' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in every major city xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'donate or pay a tax for wasting food' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if its not a business allow waste within reason' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yet there is an obesity epidemic in the USA' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'rich vs poor' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes from disease imo' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not many obease homeless people though' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more often then over eating' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'one half of us are getting cancer' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'medical fact u live long enough' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'seat belts cause cancer :)' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no wonder people are retarded and bloated' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the mother nature strikes back' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its easily demonstrated that wearing seatbelts increases your lifetime risk for cancer' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the new mother nature comes to kill you' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so does breathing and pooping!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'um... no' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people have the worst "fillers" in their already gmo foods' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have been "GMO"ing food for something like 10,000 years' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'our methods have just gotten more advanced lately' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'xyliz you dont poop or breathe you die. you die and yourchances of developing cancer is lowered. therefore my comment was accurate' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'totally wrong, Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the banana is a result of intentional genetic modification by humans' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'going back a lot longer than 10k years' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Emm is also correct, people have been gmo'ing plants for centuries' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets talk about the new definition of gmo' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which new defition?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'eel DNA in salmon' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'anything that is genetically modified?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'gene splicing?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'been going on for more than 100 years' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Emm is adulterating the definition of "gmo" -- bad Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'cross-breeding?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'genetic engineering' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a gmo is any organism that has been intentionally modified by humans' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like talking candle light to edison' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'think mcfly think!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Emm is grossly misconstruing the definition of "gmo"' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no, thats actually the definition of GMO....' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not specific enough' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's like using the sixties definition of a computer' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'the problem with making up deffinitions like youre proposing is then nobody knows exactly wtf youre talking about.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not the "colloquial" definition: modification at the genetic level with dna splicing ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'History of genetic engineering From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Genetic modification caused by human activity has been occurring since around 12,000 BC, when humans first began to domesticate organisms. ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wikipedia isnt acceptable in many colleges as a sole source' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course not' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but this isn't a college' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Wikipedia is sometimes an obfuscation' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so get a dictionary like your supposed too' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and consider the defintion as a whole' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and what current technology and science has added' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that doesnt change the meaning of the words..' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so what you are against is the direct transfer of genes from one organism to another by mechanical means?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it adds meaning!' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but you are CHANGING the meaning.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'society is' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: '/facepalm' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you have organisms now that are spliced up and lets forget about being against nature' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are still experimental' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and u cant say definitions dont change' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'define a server' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'cloud servers come along' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'chopping and splicing dna in a laboratory, testtube invasive fertilisation -- those were not done thousands of years ago - nosiree, except maybe by outerspace aliens ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'point us they dont care what it does' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'rich people still go to butchers' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and are the majoriry of people avoiding gmos' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and college educated' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course they water down the definition of gmo ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'part of that may be non-gmo food is more expensive so the very poor have less access to it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'gmo cabbages are annoying, and not as healing as before' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and no this is no college but wikipedia doesnt scratch the surface' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'apparently they spliced out some of the healing properties of cabbages' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'food can be medicine wouldnt surprise me' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'big pharma is probably in control of the food supply' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'many foods in the supermarket are with healing properties ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'good food can cure a lot of the ills people have. a good diet is so underrated' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its true m' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'foods that heal abcesses' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'foods that heal ulcers' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'for some reason blueberries reduce my inflammation' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'a huge portion of pharmaceuticals are derived from nature' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'maybe the acidity required to grow them idk' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well the better part of our rainforests are going going gone' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'blueberries have tons of antioxidents and nutrients, by weight they are some of the best foods you can eat' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's potential medicine never discovered' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'except some blueberries may come with parasites -- a danger there' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wonder how many people have parasites' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and dont know it' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'cleaning those blueberries is important -- but how ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: 'rigt' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'vinegar and water' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TeufelHunden: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'Steve's nicer now that the tapeworm is done nesting in his ass...' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'who knew all them years and it really could be a bug in someones butt making them grouchy' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2013/09/blue-hill-savory-vegetable-yogurt-whole-foods.html' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'want to try some vegetable yogurt' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sounds real good if done right' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'veggie cakes are still the best.' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'veggie bread is horrid tasting and seems unhealthy' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'veggie bread is horrid tasting and causes discomfort - maybe the veggies dislike being baked into bread' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are the "fruit cake" jokes ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what if Jesus had a gun?' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Nicholson vs. Hopkins' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'nicholson imo' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'then there's no debate. Hopkins sux' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'he is kinda overrated in my eyes' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'he almost ruined Dracula. brought in a bit too much unintentional comedy' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i always thought Hopkins would ' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'would act better without teeth' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lol he was good in silence of the lambs though' T3/r7/2015-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '1 proper role is a bad example. Bale has 2. still horrible' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'self driving cars are being tested in England. only a matter of time now' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'will probabbly start with huge insurance discounts for those that choose to let the vehicle self drive' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'don't hold your breath' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'besides why would you buy a self-driving car?' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'much easier to hire it' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking self-driving cars, hope they all get burnt' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/11/8018449/uk-driverless-car-test-autonomous-lutz-pathfinder-pod' T3/r7/2015-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/02/11/science-shows-hpv-vaccine-has-no-dark-side.html' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that some sort of joke, Marikk?' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'severe immune system panic is a side effect common to most vaccines' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very rare, but understood and accepted nonetheless' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'an iummune response is a desired effect common to most vaccines' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite right, but when it causes the immune system to cripple the body in a disabling way, that's not a desired effect' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just need to be honest about it, they have to say that vaccines are 99.9% safe, are effective in a number of cases dependent upon the vaccine type, and they don't need to be giving HPV vaccines to boys' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'measles vaccine has nothing to do with saving lives and everything to do with limiting outbreaks, and flu vaccines are utterly worthless to everyone except the manufacturers' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any medication, you need to know how it works, it's effectiveness, it's risk of side-effects, and work out the trade-offs between taking it and not takig it' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the public (and certain other here) rather than looking at the science would rather believe some nutty chick on Fox news or MSNBC' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what is the most superior race that has ever walked the Earth? .. and is positively promoting a certain race bad and racist?' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the most superior race is the human race' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only an idiot would think that certain races are better than others' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'intelligent people loath stupid people despite race, creed, color, religion etc.' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the thing is that those perks are scientifically measureable and they have been measured.. only, there's no legit and approved summary:p' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'because of Adolf' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'eventually there will only be one race anyways imo' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats probably true' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'has it been calculated, you know, when that happens?' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'probably next thousand years ' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'every racist seems to claim to be superior' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'while claiming to be the minority' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but first people have to meld more so to speak' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'for example the lack of border enforcement and mass immigration in european countries' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'is slowly breaking down cultures and territories except the few proud ones' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i personally think cultural traditions are nice but i dont identify with any culture 100% i enjoy them all' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it's probably well calculable how they would mingle. just that, weather is more important:)' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'science will also help the breakdown in cultures especially regarding myths and superstitions' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course china will probably isolate themselves from this longer then aanyone else' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they have strict immigration laws' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and some hate other asians ' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i.e. japanese Koreans' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'personally i think that different cultures and traditions had their place in shaping society' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but my friend had a good point. the internet is aallowing people to group based on common interests and goals and not just proximity' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'personally i think its all shit. started from 1 cell and all turned into crap.' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I'm more interested in that sort of thing' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yep' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'prison mentality is rampant ' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and its all about race behind bars' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'probably just to provide fresh cannon fodder in an illusionary race war' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'imo someone could use it to their advantage' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'provides a good distraction' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and motivates people to strive when there is a percieved enemy or threat. mostly applied psychology on a massive scale' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds suspicious' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no race war, there is only slavery' T3/r7/2015-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'um..' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hey Tigernuts did you see the NRC endorsed a plan of inveseting more on research into geoengineering.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly, the TPP will include DRM provisions that would make it a crime to tinker with, re-sell, or copy digital files and devices that fall under it's scope' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'TPP?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the XYZ pertaining to the PQR with disregard to the ABC under FU2' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the Ukrainian's pet nazi fighters refuse to accept the ceasefire' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'there are nazis in ukraine?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are nazis everywhere' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts is a racist that dislikes Ukranians' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Neo-nazi's, "The Right Sector"' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'obviously, i meant more than a smatering here or there.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leader's name is Dmitry Yarosh' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can go look it up if you wishes' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tigernuts isn't a racist he is a speciesist, he hates the entire human race' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan gave Obama an earbashing in a speech in Mexico when he pointed out that the murderer of 3 muslims in North Carolina in an apparent hate-attack wasn't getting any air time. Turns out the murderer was a big 'progressive'' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since only gun-lovers, libertarians and tea-party members can be advertised as such, the media coverage has been considerably more muted' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in UK news, inflation is set to turn negative in the first quarter, panicking the government who is sitting on the largest debt to GDP ratio in the G7, who are now trying to sell the idea of deflation as 'harmful' to the public' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i wish the us economy would encounter some deflation' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the UK hasn't really encountered any either, those are cooked figures' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've tinkered with the measurement of inflation here a few times in order to make it less representative of the true change in cost of living' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but one of the things that is included is oil' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'eat the rich' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an argument for incinerating fat people' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starting with xyli' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the UK government, based on cooked figures, is spinning that deflation as bad, then there is an intent to their lies' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's likely only a temporary blip' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is neither obese nor fat T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts wants anoher haulocaust, a lot of jews are obese' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'the world could stand to lose a couple billion bodies' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but can we choose based on something better than religion?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want a holocaust, though a controlled deflation of population through a reduced birthrate would be good' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'preach that to the Irish, the jews, the ..' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a natural disaster maybe' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a big war' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA are working on the latter' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unfortunately, some ethnic groups like large families' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nix on the war, unless necessary as a last resort' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'could just start neutering people' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps a nice plague though that euthanises the mentally retarded' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps a nice plague though that euthanises those with an iq below 100' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if youre on gov't aid andhave 2 kids snip snip no more for you!' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a modified 12 monkeys ftw' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'the IQ one doesnt work because you can have a 200 IQ and be a lazy prick who does nothing with it.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the IQ of 200 is excellent breeding stock, and peaceful' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can start by using the progressive fake liberal machine and social media to make it trendy not to have kids' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'not really, there is too much variance. you cannot look at someone's IQ and make those distinctions.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same approach they used to detoxify being gay, or pro-abortion' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe you are unable, Gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: '/facepalm' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are excellent mental abilities with an iq of 200 -- with special training they may be able to recognise each other' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ok proffessor X' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high iq also tends to correlate with sociopathic tendancies' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'a very weak correlation and also not substantiated by physiological conditions' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, Tigernuts ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you don't wipe out people below certain iq's. If you truly needed to, you'd wipe out everyone below 70 and above 130' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no any inferences about sociopathic behavior correlated with IQ should not be as strong as "they're worth eliminating"' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'threatening those above 130 is likely to get you crippled, Tigernuts' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not dead, crippled' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah, high iq people like Xyliz and I know that death is not sufficient punishment :)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake winks at Xyliz. T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'we are very protective of decent high iq' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work with in an organisation where 90%+ of people have PHd's or higher. I shudder to think what a world would be like if it were only populated with people like that. Society would collapse' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a depopulated world you need a diverse group of people, but without the retards, the arseholes, and the lazy gits' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not something you can easily link to an IQ range' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'extremely wrong, Tigernuts' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you should use social engineering, i.e mass media, trendyness, celebrity, to get people to not breed' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't tell me what the people are like that i work with, Xyliz, clearly i know better than you' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either you're a troll, or you fall into one of those categories :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'genuine excellence and genuine iq is different to measured iq, (though they may correlate (maybe, may vary or depend on the accuracy of the current science))' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'your recoomendations indicate your are mentally incompetent' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean one made up arbitrary measure of intellect is different to another made up arbitrary measure of intellect though they may correlate?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, some of your "recommendations" indicate you are mentally incompetent' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 + 2 = 9?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in a depopulated world, i'd prefer all with an iq of 170 or higher' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'd die' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'or be enslaved' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but i'd be there' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd die because it'd leave the world population at around 25,000' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't enough to maintain a civilisation' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least several millions with an iq 170 and higher' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, xyliz, there isn't' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iq is generally interpretted as having a mean of 100 and a standard deviate of 15' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '170 would put you close to 5 standard deviations above the mean' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Xyliz is talking about those facebook quizzes' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean he's talking out on his arse and has just been found out :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, you are unaware of the actual facts regarding iq, and i'm not teaching you' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we're all quite clear on it, thankyou' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and the benignly depopulated world was a conjectured fantasy -- so the figures of high iq were adjusted upwards' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you're in a hole, stop digging. Step away from the keyboard and make a nice cup of tea' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, if your iq is between 70 and 130 (inclusive), you are likely grossly uninformed and inexperienced as to the actual nature of iq' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you sure you won't try calling me racist instead?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have better luck with that' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Mister Grey will see you now.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.vice.com/read/lets-call-female-online-harassment-what-it-really-is-gender-terrorism-481' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'Yes, let's put online trash talking in the same category as ISIS' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'llols ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'guantomino bay' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just for talking to me without permission' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its creeepy :p' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'how do you stand the damage?' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'whoops, mis' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lets-call-fox-talkshow-harassment-what-it-really-is-talkshow-terrorism' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'hey, I get harassed for being a noob in league of legends all the time' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'maybe we should call that "league of legends terrorism"' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'never heard of the league of legends' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'it's not really a league, it's a video game' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'and the people who play it sure aren't legends' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'so it's neither a league nor does it have legends' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it is a league' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but you can also play "amateur" ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'im a filthy casual' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I spend all my time aarding' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'me too' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think the "legends" are supposed to be the champions' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'there's nothing legendary about teemo' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'then you play with bad teemos' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you can't be a "bad" teemo. that would imply there's such a thing as a "good" teemo.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'all teemos are players that run around spamming r and blinding people' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no. you just need to get out of the bad player bracket' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'you mean elo hell? ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'elo, what's an "elo" -- elo, elo, buhbye' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ranking system' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'google it' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, ELO: Electric Light Orchestra' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'originally used in chess, perverted to rank for league' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lackluster Lachdanan rapidly nods twice at Xyliz, in complete agreement. T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I guess you mean Arcade Sona then ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aimbot falls down laughing. T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'dat ashe' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I've got a zilean league jokes' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'ba doom tish' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ELO rating system as used in Chess, is spelled with capitals, otherwise ELO is not elo.' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'groupees of k d lang likely disagree' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no capitals!' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'the Elo ranking system in chess is named after guy called Elo, so it's probably more appropriate to just capitalise the first letter like any proper noun' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I agree with lachdanan' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Elo is not an acronym, strange' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lackluster Lachdanan: 'it's not an acronym' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it is a Hungarian guy's name' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'great guy' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how many somewhat dislike Valentines Day ' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'we know you do :)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all you losers out there without girlfriends (or wives you like)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'every Valentine's day, you are reminded that you are alone - those supposedly happy others with girlfriends, they indirectly rub that with their feigned joy, that you are lonely, alone, forlorn, bereft (snicker)' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'I still have my left hand' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'glad i dont have a problem with that' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and St Valentine himself, historically, he came to a bad end' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but you wanna get a taste of what its like...' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'at home no matter what you do...find something you havent done yet and bring it up to yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'occasionaly throw in a time when you did something stupid...' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'write down all your most important thoughts and toss half out the window' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'talk during your favorite show so u cant hear it. shut up during commercials' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bad advice, Marikk' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then for the other half do the exact opposite vow to never do it again' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wake up and repeat' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'voila most relationships except the right ones will be just like that' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aimbot: 'just do anal, everything will be alright' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ack aww wells' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sick, Aimbot' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'DVDA' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'when the cops raid aimbot they are gonna find quart jars full of vaseline under the bed hahaha' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ahh u have nothing mean to say' T3/r7/2015-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Friday the Thirteenth all day today ' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, good old fashioned saturday morning trolling of fake-green fanatics' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'blunts' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its nyc everyone here in ny state knows the drill lols' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lets get ready for jeeeeeeeeebuuuuuuuusssssssssssssssssssssss' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wonnder w' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Anthropormorphic climate change is a fraud of the international "global elite" who want total control over all aspects of every individual's live through indoctrination via "news" and "education" and "public opinion". Discuss.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it's way more fun to pretend the individual has no responsibility to make environmentally intelligent decisions' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and its a fun premise to begin with "everyone smarter and more educated on this matter is mostly corrupt and are out to control me" which sort of announces to the world that you're a goddamn idiot' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'control is a form of power and there are people excercising that power who dont even know you. others are fighting against that control. its called politics' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont see where acknowledging that deserves a tin foil hat' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you vote for representatives to govern on your behalf, we go with the majority rules (first past the post) election in many places' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'denying it makes you a dunce and worthy of a tinfoil dunce cap' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'politics is about getting credit for governing well and blaming the other guy for governing poorly' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'governing requires imposing restrictions and affirming things you like, this isn't new' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its another strange human ritual like war ' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yup, fun, lets go with "humans are this thing that isn't me" angle' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if humans were as smart as they claim then they would be autonomous' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'good, good.. keep discussing humans like you aren't one' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'what else have you noticed about us humans?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Claiming that humans alter the world's climate more than the natural forces do, is hubris.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i never said i wasnt' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'do we also engage in pointless argument too much?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'stop being butt hurt and purposely jumping to conclusions lols' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'i already gave my position' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Jump to colclusions about what?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you came to the debate with a polarizing viewpoint' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i said humans as in general you added meaning that wasnt there' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'save the straw man tactics' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look up straw man tactics and come back ' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'you went into some goddamn philosophical position about "politics"' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'red herring, broseph' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'red, fucking, herring' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i wasnt philosophical lols' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats politics ' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we have the ability to make certain regions toxic and uninhabitable for periodos of time' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'for that to be extrapolated to a global scale doesn't seem ridiculous to me' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'many senators and presidents were lawyers lfirst' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: '"strawman" is claiming that human activity causes greater change than natural forces. That is hubris. To conclude that one has so much power over all of nature as to change the overall trend of the solar system' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lawyers are a part of politics' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we drop a nuke, explain how that doesn't circumvent natural causes' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we channel rivers, we build cannals... we have levees, europe has a fucking tidal wall' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we manipulate nature all the time' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and routinely suffer, long term, for it' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'How do we manipulate nature more than a beaver does?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'because we do it on a much larger scale than beavers' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Marikk agrees with scars as the men in the white coats begin their approach. T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and nature routinely demolishes what we use to try to manipulate us, showing us who has more power to exert...' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tidal wall vs tsunami' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Humans are a part of nature. WE cannot be otherwise.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'sure it does - if we have global alterations, and nature corrects itself, then what' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'well then taking that position means that human-driven global warming is anutral-driven global warming' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'silverdrake nailed it' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'close up shop folks, we're all on the same side' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well global warming would be a byproduct of our industrious nature' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'loook at chinas smog' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yup, so we're all just in the natural order of things' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'or a byproduct of the Sun's changing status' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'exactly' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even if its dropping a nuke' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'no need to take responsibility for the world you live in because fuck that, doing whatever i want or what its in my best interest is the natural way' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its the nature of mans competitive nature imo' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'overhunting a lost concept to you? overfarming?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'srry' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'by product' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'The largest nuke ever devised by Man is a firecracker comapred to the eruption of Krakatoa' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'hahahahaha, hahahaha, sorry no' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'scientists say some things are in our dna' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvenkind: 'Daresia sucks' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'hahahahahaha' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'certain ttendencies etc' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's just natures programming' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'what's it like absolving yourself of any higher responsibility like that?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we are just natures version of a computer' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'is it liberating?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'it must be' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'What pisses me off the most is the conflation of "global climate change" and pollution. The latter, humans can control, since we are the cause of it. The former is a force of nature/act of God over which we have NO control.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'and when we know for a goddamn fact that pollution fosters an environment ripe for climate change?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'we'll just tease those two apart because your armchair scientific research say so?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'im going with the insurance company defintion of act of god ' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'before the internal combustion engine there were periods where the oceans released gases changing the climate' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'tell me more about your wikipedia research' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its not a question of do we contribute its a question of how much' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no asimov' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and im done this is weak and below me. i was done at profanity. you bore me' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Grow up. Climate change occurred before humans even existed. So no, "cliamate change" Is NOT anthropomorphic in cause.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'just curious, you are making the claim that the excess C02 produced by humans is aiding the green house effect or lowering the Earths albedo?' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'is not aiding, rather.' T3/r7/2015-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it has been argued by some that the gases produced by the large reptiles during the Mezosoic contributed significantly to their demise.' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all rather easy, CO2 is poisonous to plants and humans and therefore to increase CO2 in the atmosphere we need to allow more government meddling in our lives' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(typical global warming supporter argument)' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't give up your rights and do what you're told for global warming then you disagree with 172% of global warming scientists, which makes you both racist and stupid' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well we now know the price of gas dropping was a farce. according to what in reading now it was because the gas companies the discount to pay off some debts.' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon?' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh, new spying revelations coming out this week' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if you could give noob you 20 million gold and 4k qp what would you tell yourself to buy with it? what if you added 10 tps?' T3/r7/2015-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'its not a purse it's a satchel!!!!' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that was necessary for a newb was keepall, and everyone gets that now, so 4k qp would buy some sensibly space aardweapons starting at lvl91' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news everyone, i have some bad news: Manchester man charged with posession of a chemical weapon' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, was liverpool not manchester, but hey, same crap' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'meh everything is a chemical weapon. ' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police gave no details, but chances are he bought some bleach and looked vaguely arabic' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'exactly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so with Egypt bombing ISIS targets in Libya that brings to 3 the number of african/middle-eastern countries that the USA and NATO have completely fucked up with their pointless interventionist policies in the last 20 years' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's 6 more to go on USA's target list of countries to screw over' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'England is number 1' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'no, US is the #1 on the US's list of who to fuck.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very good, xaeris' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they probably expanded the list somewhat, since neither Ukraine nor Russia were on the original' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran were though' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 monkeys is a pretty good show.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds racist' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 donkies was considered too racist.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it 3 crackers, because cracker isn't racist and most americans can count up to 3' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i can see all 3 of your teeth' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see? i rest my case, i only have 2' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, police militarisation hits UK as armed riot police, colluding with council officials, launch dawn raids on 2 Croydon homes to arrest the occupants - the crime? Married couple claimed they'd seperated because they could claim around $80 a month more in welfare that way' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the astute among you might note that the raids themselves would cost more than difference in welfare for multiple years' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such is the state of this country' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in nearly every case prosecuting criminal activity costs more than the criminal activity does, that isn't a good argument for not doing it though.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is plenty good enough argument for not prosecuting it in this blatantly unnecessary manner' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not send a fucking tank?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not use heavy artillery - reduce the whole town to rubble?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not destroy the entire human race?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'yeah, why not?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably sensible at this point' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'see I told you Tigernuts hated the entire human race :)' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that particular case, all it would have required is a bit of remote surveillance' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though frankly, why should they care? if they get a divorce then they're not married. End of' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so your argument isn't that the crime shouldn't be prosecuted, just with the inefficiency of the government's choice in how to do so?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and particularly the militarisation' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i object to married couples being treated differently in welfare code to two cohabitting singles' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they aren't here' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by here I mean Pennsyvania (laws differ by state here)' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simpler tax/welfare systems would mean that such a thing would never be a crime needing enforcing in the first place' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government just like to make things complicated so that a) they can screw the system, and b) they can screw other people for non-conformance' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is actually impossible to create a tax code that doesn't preference someone's lifestyle choices over others' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you balance married couple where both work versus married couple where only one works or singles versus married' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you just have no allowances' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a citizen income instead of welfare which will limit the fraud to disability provision' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no tax-allowances and a single rate, that limits the fraud to the decleration itself' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did you just advocate for a dole?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like you said, a perfect system is impossible, but a 11,000 page tax code is inviting fraud' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dole?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'basic living stipend' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'cornerstone of communism' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dole just means unemployment welfare here, it's not really a living stipend, basic or otherwise' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historic label' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yes, i advocated it, just not at a level anyone could live off in a meaningful way' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well possibly they could, but it'd be pretty hard' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I thought you were rabidly anti socialist' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to politicalcompass.org i'm slightly left of center. I guess you'd call me a free market pragmatist' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare leads to dependence, laziness, and resentment - how can you offer welfare and not have this trap? Universal stipend is the only answer' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or have no welfare at all, and there ain't nobody got time for that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm against wealth taxes and against inheritance taxes, but i'm likewise against capital gains tax, and for a revenue tax for corporations' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also against dividends attracting a lower rate of tax than income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why for a corporate revenue tax?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm against fuel duty that doesn't pay for transport, against cigarette taxes that gather more tax than is used to treat lung cancer, and i'm against the banning of things on spurious grounds and the drugs war' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'tigernuts, have you read the piketty book?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'fuel tax should be based on carbon not transport costs' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i can see, a revenue tax is the only way of taxing multinational corporations in a way that will get tax out of them without them finding some spurious way to channel all their revenue through another jurisdiction in order to avoid it' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why tax the corporation at all? You're already taxing income.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the problem with revenue taxes is that many socially desirable business functions add only very small amounts of value to a cash stream' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll try and answer some of those' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'emm: you presume to much in thinking they want to promote socially desirable functions :p' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i haven't read pikkerty's book' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so a business that generates 100m a year in revenue on 99m a year in expenses is not viable under a revenue tax.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporations bleed countries dry of resources, taxing them is a way of offsetting that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revenue tax would be small, 0.5%, so it would still be viable - if it were not, then it'd leave' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why not a resource utilization tax, then?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'plenty of companies don't use up natural resources' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think carbon taxes are worthwhile, though you could make a cogent argument on trade tariffs with other countries based on the difference in 'green'ness' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'sure, we should definitely incorporate one of those, making commodities more expensive is the right anti-progressive way forward, yes?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'probably most companies don't use what we might call "resources" here' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the revenue tax is just a pragmatic alternative to getting no tax due to fraud' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it seems to me that taxing corporations is just kind of a bad proxy for taxing individuals who work for the corporations' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the alternative way of thinking of it is a charge for having access to the markets of your country' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't know about market access, but I would tax resource usage' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if the reosurce is finite' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'd like ot hear just one argument for why no capital gains tax besides, "because it is a double tax on revenue" as if taxing a man for earning income through sweat equity is somehow not the same thing...' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said they have any individuals working for that corporation in your country, Fiendish? THat's the whole point, globalism has done awayh with that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 's/revenue/income*' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our markets ARE a resource' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'capital gains should be taxed as income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a revenue tax IS a resource tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but by your argument, capital gains tax is a tax levied on something you've already paid tax on once' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I wonder if rich people just squeel with peels of laughter when they think of how many hoi polloi they've got arguing for their benefit re: no tax on capital gains.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you haven't already paid tax on capital gains' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, but my capital is my mind, my efforts, and my mind is supported by food and clothing and shelter, which was paid for by income, whcih was already taxed. In effect, my income is being taxd again' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and the capital gains is really the amount of effort it took for some dbag in a yacht to call his fund manager and say, yes please use my money to make more money.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you could say "someone else paid tax on my capital gains, because I gained it from them and they had it as income" but then you can say the same thing about selling a potato.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'here is something we all can agree on we all would like more money lol' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you purchased a house for $500k, and sold it a year later for $600k, why should you pay tax on the difference when the increase is likely due to a rise in the value of ALL houses?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you have to decompile what capital gains are and maybe tax them differently' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why should you *not* pay taxes? of course you should pay taxes on that. Your assets appreciated. If we wanted an aristocracy, all we have to do is tell them they don't have to pay money on assets appreciating' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are given an asset, then you should pay tax on that as if it were income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i you have an asset for which you paid for with money that was already taxed as income, you should not have to pay tax on the increase in value of that asset' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because you made $100k net income. It sounds to me like you're saying that a person who gets a raise shouldn't pay tax on the increased income because it's just likely due to an increase in all incomes.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'the reason for making income is irrelevant' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake nods at The Jerk Fiendish. T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we should really do away with taxes on incomes since that discourages earning an income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it's an imperfect system' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'whats your views on the inflation rate?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you could then argue that income tax is bad, but I don't think you said you wouldn't tax income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have answer for you, fiendish, at the worst i would say that capital gains tax rate should be the same as income tax rate so that there is no tax advantage' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'income taxes are archaic anyways, should be removed in favor of use and sales taxes.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I do believe that capital gains tax should be the same as income tax rate. I don't know tax codes well enough to say whether that means they should be combined into the same tax.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'billions are spent each year to enforce income taxes, when sales taxes can be added to the value of an item that is bought/' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't be the same tax, and you would have to have some form of exemptions on it otherwise it becomes pretty much impossible to deal with' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation - should aim for an inflation rate of 0%' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the problem with use and sales taxes are they are incredibly good at making commodities more expensive, and the rich have a much better ratio of spending on commodities over income than the poor, which means...... the poor end up paying most of that tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sales tax here is 20%' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how much would sales tax have to increase to compensate for no income tax?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'my gut feeling is kind of a lot' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'i agree inflation is the enemy' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but maybe that's not true?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or at least increase the standard deduction to $25,000 per person, that would fix most of the income tax problems also.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and tie it to inflation.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'inflation is a pernament tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so, Warren Buffet's statement that he paid only 19% in taxes while earning 200 times the income of his secretary who paid almost 50% means nothing to you, Tigernuts? That's how it should be?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deductions are the source of all tax evasion' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warren buffet's avoidance is because of the complicated tax rules' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that statement is actually somewhat erroneous though' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'complicated tax rules like only charging 8%on long term capital gains? complicated tax rules like not having capital gains taxes? that's what you mean?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, most of warren buffets income comes from stock in his company.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warren buffet's fraud comes from a lot more than that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you are not taxed when your stock value goes up unless you sell it for a profit.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is how it should be.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is also taxed' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try lobbying government, insider contracts etc' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'what a screwed up country we live in where we have become so twisted that the poor take personal offense at a tax that almost exclusively benefits the wealthy' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you're going to have capital gains tax, it needs to be at the same rate as income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why tigernuts when we have double taxation?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hahaha capital gains IS income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so 99% of his income last year is from the stock he owns increasing in value, he was only taxed on his actual income of salary.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'here is the answer when inflation happens if you have 100 mill in the bank and inflation occurrs it is only worth 50 mill even through you still have 100 mill in the bank because you have less buying power' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his salary is a pittance compared to the increased value of his stock holdings.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his stock holdings aren't helpful to him unless he sells some' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'inflation has always been the enemy' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'rizgoth he sold stocks, realized gains, and collected dividends, he earned a lot more than his salary.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'its a pernament tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aquarias: 'it makes everyones dollor worth less' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually the vast majority of Buffet's wealth is in Bershire Hathway stock which he doesn't sell, it doesn't pay dividens, and so he is never taxed on it directly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he doesn't sell and it doesn't pay dividends, why should he be taxed on it?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'however Berkshire Hathaway is taxed at a corporate tax rate of about 42% total' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm not super worried if he doesn't sell his stock and it is more valuable, but I am worried that when he withdraws it he'll on pay 15% on his realized income.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually he probably won't, most of it will end up in his foundation and other charitable organizations and will not be taxed then' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charities and foundations should be taxed' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since he has already given all of the inheritance he intends to give his children' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'churches should be taxed, but as a flip side, the government shouldn't be able to tell them what to do' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inheritance should be charged as income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'treated as income for tax purposes' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'foundations are required by law to give away at least 5% of their previous years value each year.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then that 5% should be treated as income for tax purposes' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is an incredibly simplistic view of the foundation rules' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the requirement was made because some foundations have lasted dozens if not hundreds of years, so it was thought a requirement of dispersal might provide more money to projects, etc.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another obama change btw.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if they dont give away at least the 5%, they are taxed federally.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens if the foundation grows by more than 5%?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then it keeps the difference for future gains.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's still easy for a foundation to continue on indefinitely' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they invest their money wisely, sure.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can they not just be deposited into?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'donated into?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not all foundations take donations, they use investments to fund charities.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far then, it seems simple taxes and synchronisation of tax rates is good' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and many foundations were only giving away 1-3% each year, while gaining vastly from investments, so the law was changed to a 5% min.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, warren buffet and his cleaner should both be paying roughly the same proportion of their income in tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not hardly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'compared to now, when the cleaner pays much more?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now is wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, in a perfect situation' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as we have to have income taxes (which we shouldn't have) they should be extremely progressive' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'preferably negative rates for incomes below 96k' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I would probably argue, at least, it is worth considering disposable income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or whatever the payroll tax cutoff rate is' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no negative rates, no progressive rates, they're a total anaethema to the idea of equality' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and fairness)' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it all depends on what your purpose is with the income tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how is it anaethema to fairness to have those who benefit the most from our society to pay the most for it's support?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your purpose with income tax is to take a small portion of people's income in order to fund the function of government' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you are earning $1 million a year or more, you can afford to pay a higher % of tax than the person making $50k or less.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with who benefits most' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it does' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, I think not, TN -- tax has a social purpose also' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't, swalec, it's not what it's for' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not compeltely averse to a tiered tax rate, but not a fake 'progressive' one' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, it's for what ever society decides it for, surely' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm totally against tax-free allowances for the same reason' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tiered tax rates and progressive tax rates are synonyms' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'progressive as opposed to regressive' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'personally I think it's role in ensuring a degree of equity between individuals is a good thing' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is taxe rates go up as income goes up' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as opposed to tax rates go down as income goes up' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody should ever be paying more than 49% tax, and nobody should ever be paying 0% tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no one? so, a infant should be paying tax?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tax rate itself is not the problem.....the fact that lower income people pay taxes when that money should be going to raising their living standard is.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'any particular reason for those arbitrary numbers?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in an efficient system you want to be taking a small amount from a large number of people' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not arbitrary, Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, no, TN, we already do that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is that, only a few people have most of the cash' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 10% tax on a lower income person hurts a hell of a lot more than a 30% tax on a higher income person.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no in an efficient system you want to be taking the entire sum from one individual, but that isn't possible (yet) in our system' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nothing is efficient about taking from more people' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody should have to suffer being forced to give up more than half of their earnings to the state' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone in society who earns an income should be expected to contribute something' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence the reason why we have joint and several liability' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increasing the standard deduction to $25k per person would help lower income people across the board, and help them help themselves even more.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the increase in deduction in the UK, Riz has led to a collapse in tax receipts which is why the country is insolvent' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tigernuts do you even understand how a tiered tax system works?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that's because we got the silly idea from the free marketters that we instead of taxing the rich, we should borrow from them instead' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the collapse in tax receipts in the UK is because you guys are anti new business.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand how -our- tiered tax sstem works' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's true -- we hold rallies against that regularly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, Riz, it's not because of that, it's because they raised the income tax free allowance, and allowed businesses to pay pittance while receiving state aid' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the UK one?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'down with new businesses we chant' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even the US is slowly becoming anti new business because of all the new regulations.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're pretty pro-business, we allow to get away with slavery' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it keeps going the way it has in the US....we will eventually be a nation of huge corporations and tiny 1 person businesses.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should pay their staff well and pay their taxes' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'do you think it might also be something to do with a few very large capital owners using their powers to prevent competition?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part of the problem, Swalec' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i support a revenue tax, variable tariffs on imports, a living wage, and a fair marketplace' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'penny stocks rule.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrap working tax credits and increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour (UK)' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then, i'm all for banning any future purchase of residential property by corporations' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because we have specific problems here with housing' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay UK taxes are convuluted, and that is coming from someone who understands US tax law pretty well' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and scrap property taxes' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'property taxes are at the local level here.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you should stand for parliament TN' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'property taxes are actually the most fair form of tax we have apart from taxes on externalities which I already know you abhor' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the primary functions of government involve protecting real property so why shouldn't those that own real property be the ones paying for those functions' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxes here are not fair, they tax people arbitrarily, an amount that is not based upon consumption, cost, or income' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'to some extent all taxes are arbitrary' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless they are scientifically calculated based on externalities' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but at least by limiting them to consumption or income you are taxing things people have some control on' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even taxing externalities is better than arbitrarily taxing property' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that matter Tigernuts?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why shouldn't the people who own real estate be responsible for the cost of defending said real estate from domestic transgression or foreign invasion?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the purpose of tax is to fund government, the purpose of government is to provide basic services, agreed by the public they serve' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I am unconvinced that there is much science in the calculation of externalities' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there isn't typically, but there could be' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think the purpose of government is to help make a nice society' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and there are in some cases' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"basic services" -- well that's just a start' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there basically isn't, Swalec, it's just a nice way of certain parts of the political spectrum to tax things they don't like without any rational justification' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't about things we don't like, it is about imposing costs on others against their will' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit rich to charge people for defence against invasion and in the next breath ban people from defending themselves' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's called "a racket"' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you don't think we should provide for national defense?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and what is that national defense defending?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'lives and property' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the few things that is genuinely within government remit' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the most fair way to pay for it is a poll tax and a property tax.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or a head tax and a property tax' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the property is irrelevent' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it isn't' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the property would need defending whoever owned it' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is arguably the primary thing that is being defended' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'other countries should be paying the US for our bases' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'better the bases shouldn't exist' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agreed, save $100 billion a year.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'instead we pay for the privilege of having bases in other countries' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'paying for other countries bases is what's known as an invasion' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they need to pay us for the protection.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we should fall back to guam, hawaii, etc, or better yet...use the damn aircraft carriers for what they were designed for.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no an invasion is people forcibly taking over all or part of your country without your consent, the very opposite of you paying them to do it' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is good at doing that badly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sort of depends how optional the payment is really' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have what 11 carriers now, and most are at dock instead of on patrol ?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's the US's Keynesian economics' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's fine to spend public money so long as it's on guns' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you spent less time invading other countries, you might need to spend less on anti-terrorism measures' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure but really if it wasn't for the brits doing the same thing for 500 years the whole world wouldn't be in the mess it is today' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shh' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so really it is all your fault' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really down to the French, but that's for another time' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can we agree on then, no more wars? simpler taxation with similar rates?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'French, Brittish, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citizens stipend?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one world government, enforced with lazers from space destroying all military developments' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like hell on earth, who wants to be ruled by the chinese?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who said anything about it being democratic' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you can keep it' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a world of small constitutional republics with representative democracies is the way to go' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'until we find a better way' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no government should represent more than 10m people' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'nice idea, TN, but unfortunately capital has gone global' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that would make city governance difficult in places like hong kong ' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the multinationals would have all the power' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are cases where it might have to be more than 10m, but on average, you don't want much bigger - the bigger the number, the less representative it is' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even more than they do now' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then ban multinationals' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then the world economy would collapse' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and a few billion people would die' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a bad outcome' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how can you ban multinationals? without a very large government?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including like 90% of the population of england' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring it on' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if 90% loss of population is the cost of a harmonious self-governing utopia, so be it' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'loosing 90% of the population doesn't sound very utopic to me' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you force everyone to live in eternal serfdom because you fear there may be consequences, then the planet is already done, frankly' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one world government is like communism - it cannot work in practice' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hard to know till we have tried' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been tried' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's still being triedf' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't worked yet' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which world are we talking about>' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this ne' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one world government has never been tried and does not have any of the problems that communism has' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it has other problems though' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shares the central problem of communism - that is, for it to work, everyone on the planet must be signed up to the same set of principles and laws, and you won't get that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you do like these sweeping statements don't you' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't achieve it in a country of 10m, you won't get it on a planet with 900 times that population' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my fault it's true' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are different, that's why there is constant disagreement' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US federal government is in a semi-permanent state of deadlock because it's trying to impose itself on 50 states that have different agendas, different outlooks, different demography, different cultures. It doesn't work because it wasn't set up to do that' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK might have been set up differently, but because it's monolithic, the parties essentially are the same so nothing ever gets any better' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU broken too, different system, broken for exactly the same reason' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yet somehow magically a one world government would be different? immune to these problems?' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the practical limit of government is primarily based on how fast news and military troops can get from place to place in the governed area.' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'political deadlock is a function of republican forms of government has nothing to do with the size' T3/r7/2015-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just realized tigernuts left while I was afk' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsese' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the NSA's dirty little secret came out in the news today, though i'd already heard about it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'link for the lazy?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lazy, would you read it?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'googling NSA secret pretty much got me what I needed.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/255979726?extension=pdf&from=embed&source=embed' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that gets you the actual report' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the second hand journalist reports on it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the short is, NSA have infected Windows PCs with viruses largely undectable because they reside encrypted in the registry, and have had exploits that infect the firmware on hard drives so even if you factory wipe the drive, you still get reinfected' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WTG making us all unsafe, NSA' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like some form of whole-disk encryption or open source hard drives are in order' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that is pretty putrid. The report claims that it looks like the attackers were attempting to be very precise, but still - exploiting someone's computer at that level just leaves the door wide open for anyone' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back doors makes everyone less safe, it's not just government who can use these things' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly, that program does appear to be a highly targetted weapon, but it doesn't have to be' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the fact they have that kind of capability is rather worrying' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ultimate solution may be to just spurn the internet and set up alternative forms of communication' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just assume that if you use a computer online, it's basically being monitored by a combination of the police, criminals, and any enemies you might have' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even offline' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'yea... lovely in a day and age where banks are now pretty much telling you if you don't do e-statements they're going to charge you extra per month for the paper ones' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'skip the bank altogether' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hey tigernuts....' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it gets bad enough there'll be demand for a bank that doesn't do that' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at this point it's good to find and promote those' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Marikk?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.geek.com/apps/nsa-malware-found-hiding-in-hard-drives-for-almost-20-years-1615949/' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're already ahead of you' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont u love when they admit something' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its what they dont admit that bothers me' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly this revelation is far less upsetting than the mass recording of traffic, though it does tell you what their capacity is like' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no one really knows what the capacity of the NSA is TN' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well one of my friends lives across the street from a camera one of those globe ones that are obvious. its on a lamp post' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had a lot of ideas' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not even the head of systems infrastructure for NSA.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this latest revelation was known about in the hacking community for a couple of years' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i assume for every camera i see there are twenty i dont' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'interestingly for every 100 cameras you see probably only 20 of them are real' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'whats that movie about the nsa with will smith anyone remember?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'enemy of the state' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to deal with the nsa is dismantle the department and put it under the control of the fbi' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if they can fake it at some point they can make it or already have' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a friend of mine who was retired from the NSA a couple years before the movie came out said that everything in it was either completely fake virtual nonesense or 20 year old tech at best' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well the nsa is redundancy at its finest' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but don't bash the NSA, they are the only government agency that actually cares enough to listen to the american people.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is they're doing so illegally and doing illegal stuff with the results' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'with or without their consent lols' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's like being thankful for nosey neighbors. unless something actually happens to you it does more harm then good ' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you mean like the guys who use it to spy on their girlfriends, or stalking victims.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'upon being told of the latest revelations, someone in my office said "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear", which he carefully parrotted what the naive people and the government propaganda told him' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my response is if you have nothing to hide, you are the only person on the entire planet who does.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i asked him "so if you went shopping and your card was refused because your bank account had been cleared out, should you fear it?" and "if the police turn up and arrest you for child porn on your PC that you didn't put there, should you fear it?", or "If you're a journalist with some information on corruption and suddenly it's deleted and someone is alienating your friends and family pretending to be you, resulting in the loss of your job, home, and family, should you fear it?"' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'reminds me of the part of the story 1984 when the main character realizes his friend is going to disappear soon and he tells why' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he couldn't quite make the connection, such is the problem with stupid people' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well set ups do happen' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ive had the bank.screw me and lost my place to live and had to move' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then after all that they admitted their mistake' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'after saying their computers dont make.mistakes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'luckily i record all my phone conversations :)' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hopefully you retained a good lawyer and sued the bank for actual damages, pain and suffering, and punitive damages.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yep part of a class action suit. not gonna get much at that rate' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my bank doesn't charge for statements, and i won't let them change me over' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'here they would just close your account' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't here, they could change my terms with appropriate notice, or close it if there was a legal reason, but they can't withhold statements without my agreement' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and damn' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our banks here are much better than yours... but it comes at a cost - your mortgages are WAY cheaper' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its hard to find a lawyer for the little guy these days' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gotta be my own it seems' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US legal system needs the money sucking out of it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'one time i had five cops come to my house...no warrant' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'swat gear and everything' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're allowed to come to your house' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have to let them in :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i lock my doors. they tried every door knob' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did they want?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont know never came back' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'was scary ' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably searching the area for a known felon' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my landlord.did not have full posession of the house. nor permission from his.ex wife to rent' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think its because he was on probation and leaving state w/o permission ' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have police do that here, they only swat up for posession of pot or welfare fraud. Other than that, the only police we have tend to be out harassing drivers' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully more budget cuts will curtail their activities some more' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'a couple weeks later i was told i had a week to get out. was a small town no lawyer would fight it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he had no permission to rent, you were probably stuffed' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'went to social services and they made me leave county. said they could fight it but wasnt worth it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but to show you how much better your mortage deals are than here, at best you'll get fixed rate for 10 years here, and it'll be 5.49%' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical variable is 3.99% + base rate' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have the problem with the UK housing market being far beyond anyone's ability to pay, unless you want a shitty shoebox crammed in ontop of other shitty shoeboxes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we desperately need a damn good war, EMP, or catastrophic natural disaster in the UK to wipe half the population out' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waaaay too overcrowded' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ya same here' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i push flu shots but i dont get them ' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naw, your population density is tiny' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'UK is the 15th most densly populated country in the world' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't do the UK, look at England' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most densely populated non-city state in Europe' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'netherlands is a city state?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wallorin: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'netherlands is lower population density than England' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it got overtook' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'england isn't a country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it is' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it isn't' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it is' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, i live there' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is a province of the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's a country in the union' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like wales and scottland' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like scotland, not like wales' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'calling england a country is like calling New Hampshire a country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'england has sole sovreignity over its territory?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling england a country is like calling france a country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a trick question, Emm, UK doesn't have sole sovereignity over its territory' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay so there is an english government that can't be disbanded by the UK government?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no distinction, we're not a federal country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the UK government is the British government?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they have their own membership in FIFA and isn't that whats really important?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Malkar. T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'isn't FIFA a terrorist organization?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK government is the British government is the English government. It is a point of argument at the moment - for background on it, I suggest you read about the "West Lothian Question"' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hes got a smarter sense of humor imo' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not unless isis, I mean ISIL, I mean whoever is using those letters this week.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'miss comm' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so is there a scottish government or a welsh government?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes and yes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but not a british government that is distinct from the UK government' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK is a union of countries, You can consider Wales to be a country if you like, for it fits most of the definition even though technically it isn't' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I'm sorry but calling England a country is like calling Washington D.C. a country.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't. DC was never a country, it was an administrative district' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close would be Texas' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'historical reference means nothing' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it means everything' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because nothing has changed' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'any legitimate definiton of a country has to have something to do with having the ultimate authority over its own affairs' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then by your definition, no country in Europe is a country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or rather, no country in the EU is a country)' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do people in scottland get to vote for members of the UK parlament?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont forget nato ' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'EU is a treaty organization' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(currently)' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Emm' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'same as NATO or UN' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nato and the UN don't make binding laws' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no but countries are increasingly adhering to them' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'UN Security Council resolutions are binding' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are according to the UN Charter' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you should probably tell the US and Israeli governments that' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they may be binding, but they don't seem to be very effective.' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'which has nothing to do with my countries constitution' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from wikipedia "England is a country that is part of the U nited Kingdom"' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wiki said it, it must be true' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'which thanks to the un and presidents sticking to such resolutions is under attack' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and even still Netherlands is higher pop dens than England' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'based on old figures' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '406.73 vs 406.55' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our population density as of last year was 410/sqkm' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'isn't Malta part of the EU?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as far as i'm aware' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure you can count a tiny island in the comparison' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else you could just argue that Monaco is the highest density' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Malta was admitted to the United Nations in 1964 and to the European Union in 2004' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Monaco is a city state Malta is a country with a couple of cities in it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I thought' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole of Malta's island is urbanised' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so England is the most densly populated major country in the EU' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we have major infrastructure and housing problems as a result of massive immigration over the last 20 years' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you count England as a country, and use current numbers for it, and old numbers for Netherlands' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'either way 400+ people per square kilometer is nuts' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Netherlands population has grown less quickly' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '406.7/sqkm is a 2014 figure for netherlands' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'US's number is artifically reduced because of Alaska' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and probably much of the midwest' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not artificial because of the midwest' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though only new jersey and puerto rico have population densities higher than england' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but many have population densitys on the same order of magnitude, but overall we get 32 or some such crap' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically Texas is a country' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it isn't' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it doesn't even have the right to succeed unlike popular opinion in texas' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all states have a right to sucede' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'technically it has the right to divide into 5 states without the approval of congress' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not since the end of the civil war :)' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the decide to and you try and pull that, you'll find yourself having another one' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'er secession not succeession' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'possibly, but it would be short and only bloody for one side' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since no state has anywhere near the capacity of the US military' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be long and bloody for everyone' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not unless it involved a massive military conspiriacy' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably want to avoid civil wars these days. You couldn't suppress a bunch of badly armed neanderthals in Afghanistan. If you tried to suppress 26million heavily armed Texans, you're going to have a bad day' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'totally different scenario' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have much better intel on Texas' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and your army will most likely refuse to fight' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'doubtful' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the US military is pretty damn loyal to the Constitution' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I wouldn't be surprised if the Texas National Guard fought on the side of the US in that scenario' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highly unlikely' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most likely would be the military saying "we ain't fighting our own"' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well when given conflicting orders by governers and presidents before NG in several states decided to follow the President' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it would depend on what provoked the whole thing and how many states were involved in the process' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, and fortunately you haven't come -too- close of late to fighting' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'although the feds did threaten to shoot down texan passenger jets a couple years back' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if 3/4ths of the states ratified an amendment abolishing the federal government then the army would probably help shut it down' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iirc they need only 66%, surely?' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '3/4ths' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2/3rds of congress to propose, 3/4ths of the states to ratify' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '66% of the vote in 3/4' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '3/4ths of the state legislatures' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it could be done without even a simple majority in any state' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ratification presumably would require some form of vote' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a plurality of both legislative branch of both houses could ratify an amendment in most states' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe there are other mechanisms to kick it off other than 66% vote in congress' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes the states could hold a ratifying convention' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i want anyone in the US to sucede, you'd be better off just booting our your federal government and going back to the type of federal government that was originally intended' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'haha well lots of executive orders lately' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or perhaps they could simply start ratifying it' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'america is another case of romans claiming to be greek' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh sorry 2/3rds of the states can apply to congress to force a proposal as well' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well have with it - they way it was originally set up, with fed-light, it understood the states had different demography, different agendas, different outlooks and allowed them to have them. Your overreaching federal government is now trying to strip states rights and force uniformity on them all, which is why your government comes across as dysfuncitonal' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bedtime, enjoy' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'later TN' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ohh there goes the debate channel lols l' T3/r7/2015-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'tigernuts owns it lols' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.nationaljournal.com/twenty-sixteen/a-stupid-and-sleazy-clinton-decision-20150218' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point fighting it, she'll win' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not necessarily' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, necessarily, she's already won her nomination, and the RNC will choose Bush because they're retarded' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she'll win' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think the republicans should nominate a set of stairs to run against her' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've already chosen bush, can't you see the money?' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you realise that it was rigged?' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hadn't you noticed they're identical?' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even a "new" face will be the same as an old one. i dont vote anyways ' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably ought to' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'whys that?' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'third parties need momentum, sheeple won't vote for them until they see other people doing so' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we see the same thing in the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ok i will vote and try to influence others here and there' T3/r7/2015-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but only because your answer has good reason. first time I'v heard that one ' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a UN-backed feminist organising is claiming American Individualism is dead, and is demanding a socialist revolution' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there you go, if you didn't realise it before, the UN is basically a vehicle for communism' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN needs to be disbanded' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Marikk watch as the masaki ninjas come and wisk tigernuts away! Wait a minute who`s Tigernuts? T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wassup, niggah?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i plead the non existent fif amendement as always brotha!' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'marvellous' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any sign of the apocalypse, yet?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hmm' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what mythos?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lets write our own' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want a written one, just need a real one' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we will claim you wrote it will scrying for god' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well, Question Time is on, time to throw popcorn at my 'elected officials' on telly' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'a lot of the signs are inarguably there' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but being around for thousands of years increases the likelihood that prophecy is just a prediction based on observed behavioral cycles of the mass group of people knwon as humanity.' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'based on their accuracy that would make prophecy more valuable then we thought.' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, go long enough something will come true by chance' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apocalypse is just a handy, efficient way of solving our problemns' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'how shallow and apathetic' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most efficient, if anythintg' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whyso?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most will learn there is far more suffering to be had by putting stock in prophecy' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, prophecy, i agree, i was just hoping for an apocalypse as a pragamatist' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i put no store in prophecy' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'does that mean the only prophecy that really exists is self fufilling?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you cannot unhear what you heard or unsee what you have seen' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, an apocalypse will deal with overpopulation instantly whereas even if you could somehow get all the stupid people to slowly deflate population, it'll take 3 or 4 generations to achieve. An apocalypse instantly gets rid of the establishment structures without having to convince the stupid people to kick the corporatists out' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the best example would be the skeptic who inadvertintly makes that prophecy true. what if deep down he has a sub concious need to believe in something' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'believing in santa doesnt make him come down the chimney' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'mans apocolypse wont be angels or scrolls' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that wacky hitler' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it really be murder disease famine war (possibly nuclear)' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but a farce none the less' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think its disgusting ' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'mankind will die off when bigfoots learn to use guns' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'morally depraved nutjobs that are stoking the fire in the engine room ' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'pushing harder and faster and when you realize you cant stop the train and your running out of fuel...' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'running out of fuel will stop the train' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wham and youll regret riding with casey jones :-o' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having dug up the tracks 50 years ago will ensure it will never happen' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no they plan on running us towards the cliff' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we arent there yet but there are people panicking and saying as such' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing we can do, nor Gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'blind them with love and rainbow bubbles!' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the lucky one's are getting off the planet' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: '100 of them' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'day they cut us off is the day they switch them on' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but they mine what's left of this planet for fuel' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or build a super planet' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'like cybertron' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'make a superplanet this one is dying anyways' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'logical to take a planet that's still alive' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only way ' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'do the transformers come with it or do we have to populate them too?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'look at this way. if we all go the asskissers will be the first to go' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no transformers' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'then screw that idea. ' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have an apocalypse and not have a dead planet' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can think of a way of solving the salient issues of the day without an apocalypse, then i'd love to hear it :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping. T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like apocalypse it is then, what's your pleasure, supervolcano? massive emp? pandemic? or nuclear war?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'mutated pandas?' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd die for lack of mutated bamboo' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'maybe that is the mutation, no need to eat bamboo. that would make them far more active!' T3/r7/2015-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have to be zombie pandas on account of them mostly being dead already' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'anyone use borax for laundry?' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'm admittedly curious about laundry detergent showing up on the debate channel...' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'well it is also used as a pesticide' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'borax isnt that used by women in the 40s?' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'very likely - it is a naturally occuring substance in nature, so its suppose to be all 'green' has tons of uses for various things. laundry detergent to making homemade slime to killing cockroaches and fleas' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'homemade slime you say?' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'ya. i think you can mix borax with glue to make slime or something of that nature. home made recipes for kid stuff' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'just not sure i want my kid playing with something that doubles as pesticide' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'sure nuff' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'We use it as a component of the homemade detergent we started making when our youngest had breakouts from pretty much everything else we tried. It's way cheaper that way too.' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'supposedly after consumption it can turn into boric acid, im just not sure if using borax as laundry detegent booster is safe as it would be a low level usage' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'had any problems with it daain? i wanted to start using it, but didnt know anyone else who had' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'stop wearing clothes, problem solved!' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Not a single one, and from a quick google, while it's a salt of boric acid, they aren't chemically the same. It'd take some doing to make it dangerous.' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'i guess if you are still using it, you are enjoying the product. ok - thanks a bunch :) that makes a lot of sense regarding two different chemical makeups' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'wanted to start making some homemade laundry detergent as well :)' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'We've used it for about...4 years now. A batch will last us 4-6 months, and there's four of us (two boys...who are as messy as boys are,) and five cats. We do a ton of laundry.' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'it would be interesting to find out why the leading brands do not use borax' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'nice :) exactly what i was looking for :)' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): LordSation thanks Daain heartily. T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Sure thing. If you need the rest of the recipe (probably available online...I've mixed it, but the wife found it initially,) let me know, and I'll run check.' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LordSation: 'cool :) appreciate it :)' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, borax!' T3/r7/2015-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we keep the climate change debate going, expert scientists think that by 2050 we will have exhausted the world's entire supply of stock footage of extreme weather' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'of course a good read is the book the guy from law and order wrote' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'his name is richard belzer or such i dunno its late' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he examined the witnesses and their mysterious deaths' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'problem is every person involved & 1/2 the ppl not have written books, heh' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he took a very interesting perspective with it very well researched' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'the guy hit with the ricochet from the sidewalk wrote one too' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'marina changed her story 45 times' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well yes however i find his examination very professional' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'straight facts no more no less' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i've seen shooters try to duplicate it' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i think they lost/destroyed too much of the evidence for us to really ever get to the bottom of it' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he examined the role the witness played. their testimony and how each witness died. many from heart attacks or cancer' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'the cops were carving their initials into evidence that day' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'chain of custody can't be verified' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i don't know how we did things inthe 60's..' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'kennedy was dirty anyways ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'hence the death sentence :X' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'him and his brother' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'his brother was worse' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'all these lone nuts sure start to add up tho' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'chances are imo him and his brother pissed off the cia the mob and the teamsters what did they expect?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'right. they used the mob to take the election & then started prosecuting them' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'his brother took it to an extreme' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Don't forget that Kennedy also wanted to get Hoover out of the FBI.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he railroaded hoffa by screwing him out of a fair trial' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he should have offed hoffa sooner' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'street justice.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'well whoever made hoffa disappear had a military backround thats for sure' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'i haven't spent as much time on that' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'sleeping with the fishes, prob :P' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'doubtful' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the body will never be found. mark of a very professional hit' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ttechnically its not a murder without a body' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it would all be circumstantial ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the thing that interests me the most is how much happened after the kennedy assassination' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'not vietnam that was just a false motive for the public to gobble up imo' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Kennedy had been keeping us out of Vietnam. Practically the first thing Johnson did was get us into it.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'mainly how the middle east got their request for nuclear technology development rubberstamped when kennedy made it clear it would never happen ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'ladybird's gain on it was creepy, yeah' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then the assassinations in the middle east..which got mucked up and turned many middle eastern countries against us' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now we are on the fence again ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but its looking like we will eventually side with iran. israel is a buffer atm but cannot play both sides like iran can' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'iran can keep many countries in check and also gain support amongst so called radical muslims. ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont see why people are so worried about nukes' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they arent going to be used the way people think they are. if any group of people wanted to really end everything the most logical target would be rome. their goal would be to shutdown that collider they got.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the fact that rome manages to stay out of the limelight says everything.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if i want the house red and you want it blue compromise would be purple for example' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'also give and take is not compromise its trade' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no one is supposed to be completely satisfied with compromise' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its a last resort for those to weak to conquer ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'often noone is completely satisfied with give and take' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but give and take is not true compromise' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anything where neither side got eactly what they walked into the situation wanting is a true compromise' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats negotiation not compromise' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's both' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'when an agents cover or mission is compromised the jig is up' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'compromised != compromise' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'totally unrelated definitions of the word' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nearly all negotiations are compromises' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so people ran out of words?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no they were meant to have similar meanings' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'does the leaning tower of pisa mean that it's not fat?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or did they run out of words' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'too much pizza makes me lean' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a word having multiple meanings has nothing to do with running out of words, it's simply a fact of the English language' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your arguement is double plus ungood' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and we have always have been at war with east asia' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that notwithstanding, compromise still doesn't mean strictly what you're trying to make it mean :P' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all that means is that the meaning of words is changed to alter perception' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'compromise before was never a good thing. now its good?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'compromise has always been quite often a good thing' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the greatest document in the world is known as the great compromise..how is it not a good thing' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we cant win this war lets compromise lols' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what document?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hah someone is not american' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and hasnt it been compromised? ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most "great" documents have been compromises' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the constituition has been compromised by us compromising by your definition. trading freedom for a false sense of security' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'great compromise is right' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the constitution was defined as a compromise from day 1, indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes and its outdated' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everything is outdated' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'marikk you misquoted ben franklin.. i guess you have no clue what you are talking about' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'that trading freedem for secruity take has been taken out of context and is one of the most misquoted things of all time' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'did i use " ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or the word quote' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'did you see his name' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now your miss quoting me good job tater tot' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dexter..is that you?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why dont you let me and biker work thiis out. as the definition of a biker is a grown man :p' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I could be a child bicyclist...' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or even a kid with a minibike or dirtbike' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'true!' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'are you?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all those are valid bikers, since the word has multiple true meanings ;-)' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'child-at-heart only, alas' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or you could be real pc' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'a unisex unicyclist!' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a biker cannot be a unicyclist' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a uker?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I guess they could be overlaps in the venn, but being a unicyclist could not qualify one to be a biker' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why not?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because of the meaning of "bi" in the word "biker"' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bikes are called bikes for a reason...a unicycle is not a bike' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what about the root meaning of the words that make up compromise?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so a unicyclist is not a biker' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and its other uses' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but theyre all cyclists' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cyclist yes, bike no :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it means something different when we are talking about unicycles' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'regardless of its other applications' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't mean anything when we're talking about unicycles, as it's not relevant' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'automobile doesn't mean something different when we're talking about unicycles' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'well, in unicycles defense it always has a meaning, it just might not be relevent to the conversation.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what if it has a motor' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'now its an automobile' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hocus pocus ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not it's a motor vehicle' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now*' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my body is a vehicle by definition to some people' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your body IS a vehicle...just not a motor vehicle' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'why cant a unicycle be an automobile?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but its not a vehicle' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because: n 1: a motor vehicle with four wheels;' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont have passengers' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you do if you give piggy back rides' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but i dont' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you're capable of it' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'your body is a vehicle for billions of organisms, dont kid yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so everything that moves is a vehicle now?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everything that can be used to transport something else can be used as a vehicle' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so anything that moves?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'n 1: a conveyance that transports people or objects' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'is now a vehicle?' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but microscopic organisms were mentioned' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'etc' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'people OR objects' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's actually a dictionary definition of vehicle: 4: any inanimate object (as a towel or money or clothing or dishes or books or toys etc.) that can transmit infectious agents from one person to another' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vehicle is a "use", not an inherent property' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'see now infectious is specific' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but now we hit the brick wall of understanding' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no. now you keep trying to overthink the word' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'as different langauges have different interpretations' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing we're only dealing with one language' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'my favorite part of every debate ever is when it gets pedantic' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some add and some subtract meaning in their definition sadly' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'only at that point do we all start making progress' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so your favorite part is when I participate!' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'honestly i dont believe any of this crap' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'all i want to know, is where the white women at' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'just like how spot on biker is lols' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'offline, grua' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'damn hard to trap' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'yup, i suppose i think that because by the time you start bickering over the meaning of words, the garbage "no, i'm right! your rong!" stuff starts to end' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'RONG' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so so so rong' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'O' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'M' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scars: 'G' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, in pedantry's defense, at least my participation in the conversation, the essence of the topic was the definition of the word itself' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'wong again daniel san' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gigglefluff was close. biker just has a dictionary on hand for such occassions' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i figured out the secret of the freemasons. how embarassing for them.' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they made me promise not to tell but i will anyways' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'careful buddy. remember what happened to friend hoffa' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its all a lie including my story. in fact my story is as real as they are. ' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'heh' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh freemasons don't scare me one bit. they are a fraud like the salvation army' T3/r7/2015-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'because the Freemasons are a fraud and a lie i hereby declare everyone here a member. congratulations you all have attained the thirty third degree. ' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Masonry is a handy excuse people use to blame the corruption of power and wealth on a group, when in reality masonry is a symptom of that abuse not the cause of it.' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It's also jolly useful for creating buildings' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'elaborate on "symptom of that abuse" ' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you accept that corruption in governance and business exists, then blaming a shadowy collusion from a group of semi-mythical clubs when such an arranged collusion doesn't exist is a symptom of it' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(speak proper english then) ' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the English was fine' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but to say that "such an arranged collusion does not exist" indicates either cluelessness or an attempted coverup or a forlorn hope' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm here to put forward my ideas in the common language. If I fail to put forward those ideas in an understandable way, that's my fault. If you deliberately nit-pick the language while feigning lack of comprehension, I think that speaks volumes about you, not me' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, you first indicated that the "symptom" was also an indication of "actual corruption" (as a symptom of "causitive corruption")' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz looks at ehat you said, not as what you may've meant to say (unless you intended deliberate obfuscation based on the sloppy use of "common language") T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(ehat .. what)' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'thankfully (or not), the movie industry repeatedly reinforces the belief that masonry is active (in the background of course, yet at the forefront)' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but (you didn't counter yet with:) the movie industry produces scripts from novels by writer hacks -- and those writers are fictionalising ... so those movies are based on fiction, pandering to the beliefs of the audiences' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(somebodyelse counters): but there maybe some truth within that fiction. ' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Are people who pay "cash in hand" as leverage to get a discount doing something unethical?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(the answer you're looking for is "usually, no")' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Boko Harum murdered many hundreds of people in a town on the banks of Lake Chad. This followed their earliest success in 1967 with the hit single "A Whiter Shade of Pale"' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Now you are clearly off your rocker' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you must be new here arnica' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'ask him about 9 eleben' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Although you got the year right' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knogs, i know my proggers' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you were wondering, i was applying NBC-level fact checking' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'what does that mean? do you have some idea that nbc reports false news?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i think you mean fox news' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the whole brian williams thing pass you by then?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think you mean Letterman level of fact checking. They only allowed that stuff on his show.' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Have to side with the dude, the whole news apparatus is a big bunch of liars' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'what stories did brian williams report falsely on air?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'pablum for the masses' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'one story.. i guess everything he did is fake now..hurdurudururu' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'not fake just gloss' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was caught fibbing about being in a helicopter that came under fire in iraq, lied about seeing bodies floating down the river in new orleans' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'helicopter story was shown as a lie by his acurate news report from the time.' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'okey.. what new stories did he not fact check?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'to say something was "NBC" level..is a pretty gross mislabel' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cult of personality level stuff, probably to sell books for push after-dinner speaking' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news rarely fact-check stories' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't really have to, all they do is regurgitate news agency feeds, or government statements' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah.. okey buddy' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you clearly have a firm grasp on reality over there guy' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? when's the last time you saw a bit of independent journalism on a major news channel?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a few such specialist shows over here, but they rarely operate fresh, they're always investigating stuff already been put out elsewhere, shows like Panorama' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'last thursday' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it about Beyonce's swollen testicles?' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be telling us that corporations that have advertising deals with news tv don't influence the coverage' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Rude Guiliani office has been receiving deaththreats from members of the Obama personality cult after comments he made as part of as suck-the-toes-of-Israel anti-Iran anti-Obama rant' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Guiliani, the closest thing to a muppet without actually being one' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there are efforts to have a congressional hearing on NASA tampering with surface climate data - yeah, like that's going to happen' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the only thing constant is change, research it out' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, it's being researched 'in', and that's the problem' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd just point to that big fiery gas giant in the sky and tell them to read an astrophysics textbook' T3/r7/2015-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tampering, however, is not a subject for debate, it's just a matter of fact' T3/r7/2015-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, The Church of England came out with a statement that said that it there is a moral imperative to pay people at least the living wage..... before some other people pointed out that the Church of England themselves hire people paying less than that' T3/r7/2015-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Police in Silicon Valley are planning to use Stingray technology to record the public's phone calls and mobile traffic without a warrant' T3/r7/2015-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being paid for by a grant from DHS' T3/r7/2015-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-who-wants-her-kid-to-be-gay-sparks-111874622052.html' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'good ole yaoo but wow not even sure what to think about that ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ignorance knows no bounds ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aec_1423493163' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wtf' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what is it?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i dont know' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we don't need to see what you're leaking' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or it can wait till after dinner' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its a new thing' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'then if its growse i can watch it while.i eat desert' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not growse' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ok fine ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but if it is and I'm no eating desert yet itll upset me' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh more "satanic" ritual abuse' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nothing new' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh ok' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'been going on for years' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nasty ass cops here' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Thank the Lord for ass cops.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'some pervert videotapes my 16 yo sister at the hospital in johnson city ny and the coos say its not illegal to film someone without their consent even though its illegal. then these cops in ny complain when we film them.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i am so youtubing and facebooking this creep then' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hospitals aren't public property, i'm guessing' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'head of the UN climate change panel had to resign for sexual harassment claims, best he got out before he had to resign for fraud' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ya one gets caught 10 go free' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was amsed by the representative in congress who called ed snowden a traitor for revealing how the NSA collected metadata on everyone... who was outted in a misappropriateion of campaign/taxpayer funds by an AP reporter who tracked down the fraud using metadata from images the representative posted on his Instagram account' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amused, even' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'd call that an epic fail' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yea but they actually can sniff out bombers that way. so. you know. its shitty business but without that shit you, mister, might be dead.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think they've ever successfully sniffed out a bomber' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they have' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even very good at catching their own bombers' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but on the plus side, they're fantastic at blowing up innocent brown children' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not all bad' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and they're great at completely destabilising countries' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: '"blowing up innocent children" or "protecting our freedom"?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always a useful skill to have' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the former, xei, they're shite at the second' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'those children have been biding their time, just waiting to launch a full scale invasion' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're actually far more proficient at removing your freedoms' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand that in a modern trendy age, with doublespeak "protecting" means the same as "destroying"' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listeners are asked to make appropriate adjustments' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it's like bush said, we have to destroy the free market in order to save it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there hasn't been a free market for a good couple of decades now' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'decades? what year is it again?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heh. look at oil prizes - theres your free market:)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'freudian slip there' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this market is so free it doesn't know what to do' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, my car fuel still costs nearly $7 a galloon' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have to agree with those that say corporatism is a broken model' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'd have to say that capitalism is a model that cannot work in the future' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes yes yes. but when you say that, you have to propose another model. or it'd be just acting as a damn rich victim' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, i don't, i'd rather advocate massive depopulation and a return to national free markets' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the question is really, how do you keep sociopaths out of power' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because i don't think there is any contenders for alternative models that would work in the world as it is now that isn't also a dystopic future' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you can call it capitalism or socialism or whatever you want, but none of that matters when evil people take the reigns of your new system' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you have no reigns' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's what i would say, but the counter-argument is that there will always be reins as long as there are weapons that can destroy the world' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately the people must prevent that. you would hope the more often it happens, the more people will remember, but then, people are dumb' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many times we had this before?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, in fairness, people in general didn't used to be able to learn from the past' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they still can't' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can, they don't' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't even learn from the present. they can't learn' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'most people beg to be ruled, they get angry if you suggest anything else' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hehe an elitist i love it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yet true. people any more are less capable of idependant thought.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so short of rounding them all up and gassing them, what do you suggest?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like math skills declining because of the wide spread use of the calculator.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and there are plenty of dumb people, but there are many more that are smart and simply don't care, which to be fair is the rational course' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama vetoed the keystone xl pipeline, btw' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm presuming (as i don't know the system that well) that the congress can overrule his veto with an appropriate vote' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goooood' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dunno that they'd have the numbers for said vote' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'widespread sociopathy all sorts of problems related to that.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could just wait until he's gone, i guess' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'to me its an issue of density and not necessarily population' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just start defunding his pet projects, like his personal army' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it requires a supermajority, pretty hard to come by in the U.S. congress' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not far off it, 11 in the congress, 4 in the house' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'laws basically never get repealed' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'doesn't sound like a lot, but it is' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they could pull a democrat stunt, voting for it at midnight on new years eve or something similarly slimy' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'space and colonization of planets and moons should have begun at least 10 years after the landing' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'what landing?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'moon landing m' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion laughs at Marikk mercilessly. T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're decades away from any kind of colonisation' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'invest in asteroid mining, space exploration will happen when people find out there's massive riches in it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'technology was nowhere near viable' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't even have orbit infrastructure' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'just like all exploration' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there would only be massive riches in it if there weren't even-more-massive costs to it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'collectively humans should have developed the technology using more resources ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the same money used for war' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like exploration, the overwhelming majority of them go bankrupt' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there may be massive costs up front, but it's estimated that an asteroid could have many trillion dollars worth of precision metal' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'high risk, high reward' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's false' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'but either way, it's a better incentive than a vague sense of altruism' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"it's estimated"...' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those metals only have a high value because of their rarity' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a "precision metal"?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xei says 'Thief, thief, thief! Baggins! We hates it!' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flood the market the price collapses, it's not like they have a large intrinsic value' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'craftsman' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'whoops, it's precious' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i'm not talking about gold, i'm talking about rare metals that are needed to build cutting edge equipment and technology' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need large amounts of them, xei' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'gold can be very useful' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there also need to be a market for the goods you make' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fallacy that if you make more stuff, people will buy it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you have to make the right things' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody can afford the things, right or wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's the hard part about business' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if cultures had focused more resources towards space travel later on other more useful technologies would naturally have developed from that perspective. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'most people couldn't afford cars when they were first manufactured' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats one major way humanity got screwed' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we ain't talking about cars, we're talking about tat that is already cheap' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'fukishima what a disasterl' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: '70 times higher then the regulated amount of safe radiation.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we are screwed six ways from sundays i think no matter what' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, JP Morgan is starting to charge some customers for deposits' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all you got to do against all the screwage is to go fishing. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'then all is well' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know why you're worrying, Marikk, radiated water is safe' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only cs-137' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can drink it neat, totally harmless' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MSNBC said so' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be true' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'demand for houses is at an all time high. supply is near exhausted and prices are at an all time low.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'if you get lucky, you might even experience a beneficial mutation' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should come here, prices are at an all time high' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it's funny you say demand for houses is so high, yet in the U.S. there are more homes than there are households' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it's almost as if there's some shadow inventory that isn't clearing the market' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have lots of space and lax planning laws' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no space being an island, planning laws written by corporate builders, and a massive population explosion through being a member of the EU' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'we arent being forced into pods yet' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you're in the UK?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger is, yes' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i hear London is ridiculously expensive' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not for the russian mafia' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, though most of the entire south-east of the country has been experiencing double-digit house price rises' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol hwua' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i honestly as an american have no words when it comes to the uk.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, trust me, we get the worst of both worlds - raped by the EU and buggered by the US' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I dunno, I think appropriate words are Suck It! }:>' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'didn't you guys ban porn or something?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's not a world i want to live in' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but i can say it seems like its the same kind of people writing the laws' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Xei' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ah, only certain "acts"' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the prince is not such a prince ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'spanking not allowed? what kind of tyrant made that a law' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an acre of building land here will set you back about $1m' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you have ur scandals and distractions false flags' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, blowjobs are still illegal in a lot of the US, so can't really go by that :P' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'really' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'just blowjobs or to buy blowjobs?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'death penalty!' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'both' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'fry em' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'still enough sodomy laws officially on the books' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's legal for arms firms to sell weaponary to despotic islamic regimes knowing full well they'll be used to murder and suppress the population, but it's illegal to buy sex' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta love first world hypocrisy' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats 1st world?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prostitution legal in the UK?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'as long as you dont get caught!' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ijk' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, everything's legal everywhere by that definition' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll happily prescribe you SSRi's that'll turn you in a zombie-like mass murderer for a chronic back pain, medication that kills 10's of thousands a year world wide, but you'll get prosecuted for treating yourself with untaxed herbs' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'escorts?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prositution is illegal in the Uk' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'perfectly legal fronts most of the time' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you're not allowed to discriminate on gender, sexuality, race or religion, yet political parties are allowed to have all-women shortlists for local parties to choose a candidate from' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they just dont guarantee anything. that's one loophole' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think using the term "first world" (or second) should get you banned. its the new rNacizm. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, you can drive extremely badly whilst so elderly that you cannot barely see, and have the reactions of a dead slug, but if you drive a week after coming back from Amsterdam where you legally smoked pot, you can be arrested/banned from driving/fined' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hmmm' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if its banned then what?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what would the remedy be' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, i said the user should be banned' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hmm' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this word is a nono' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, you have freedom of speech, but if you buy a copy of Charlie Ebdo, the police will demand your details from the place you bought it from, and if you post a video on youtube protesting war by burning a rememberance day poppy with a cigarette lighter, you'll be prosecuted' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i found the word to be inaccurate but many would agree to others that may be discrimination' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that, Marikk?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'someone from a so called "third world country" may find it offensive' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might find what offensive?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the term " "' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'third world' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for them' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i wouldnt like that if someone called me that' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean we shouldn't use the term, nor would it mean it wasn't correct' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, tough noogies :P' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ban everyone' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you told them to fuck off back to to africa, you HIV ridden junglebunny - THAT might rightly be considered offensive' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one thing that it's important to note is that you don't have the right to not be offended :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'every been to bad parts of detroit? the u.s might be "first world", but that place looks like a bombed out hellscape' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i thinkt ethnocentric ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'nvm lol' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this batch of ranting is over owing to the need of sleep. keep it real' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i fully expect that in 20 years time, the right to "not be offended" will be an internationally sanctioned human right' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so true' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20yrs? it already is' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enforced by the might of ugly angry lesbians' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'all crimes will simply be called offenses and will not vary in severity' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mh. i live in estonia. i remember being a child and those fucking rich finnish people acting like bosses. well.. thats our 2nd world experience.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the 3rd world exp is 10 times worse' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'send travolta' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'estonia has some damn good programmers, and they work for cheap too!' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its ok hes a scientologist ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they work cheap because they' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '.. just quit the old job:p' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence they should be barred from the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'barr all immigration m' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'estonians?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'anywhere' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there's a big push in the tech industry in the U.S. to crack down on foreign workers' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'which basically amounts to the "dey took r jobs" argument' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i don't mind if the feather-picker-estonians get banned. we need them here' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the real terms wages in the IT industry in the UK has falled 50% over 25 years' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an IT worker in the UK, I take that personally' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'phasing people out' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'is that because wages are falling, or because it's being outpaced by cost of living?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it work is just a fucking work. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'get over it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult to get over it when you can't afford to live' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of thing that causes wars' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they get 4x average pay here. the it-leaches' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'so learn how to program, then?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, don't learn to program, because they'll end up coming over here' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'just work for U.S. startups :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i thought that the it market was "free"?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'TigerNuts, there is your FREE market' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i don't know, is it? all i know is that it pays' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eat it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'transnational markets across deeply disparate economies is asking for trouble' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked for nationally free markets, not internationally free markets - that's just stupid' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you can't stop it, globalization is happening' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure we can, can nuke the globe' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and china is hungry, way hungrier than you ever will be' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'not to mention southeast asia' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they eat bugs and bat shit' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, Xei, you need to accept then that we are all going to get increasingly shittier living conditions and fewer rights and there's nothing you can do about it' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sucks to be you' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it doesn't matter what i accept, what happens will happen' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'north koreans hacked my tv attenna' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'some things cannot be controlled, immigration and international trade among them' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bollocks, xei :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can be controlled if there is the political will' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if theres not' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: '(there isn't)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't, so you'll have civil unrest and a collapsing society' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(eventually)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'think about the bureaucracy necessary to enforce the kinds of laws you're talking abiout' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'like laws that prevent you from buying online services from people outside the country' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's the kind of thing that destroys economies' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had such control on a fraction of the beurocracy we have today' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'how is that mindset different than mercantilism?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'why will it work this time?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it's feudalism not mercantilism. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like it, find me a model that works' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no model works, which makes it no worse than any other' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'define "works"' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'a system can work for me, and not for you' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's obvious, 'works' means a system that works for me - you don't matter' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'so theft?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the difference between feudalism today and feudalism 1000 years ago is that then people knew what they were involved in. Now people think of myths such as democracy and fail to see what the actual situation is.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't ultimately work for me, xei' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it does if you don't get caught' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the only difference between a traditional king and a current one is that the current one gets elected.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely to not get caught' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: '"elected" that is :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'my point is that your argument has to transcend your personal preferences. from my point of view, i don't see why i should care whether you (or the undercutting Estonian) gets paid' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'seems roughly equal to me' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because if i get undercut such that i cannot live comfortably, i solve the problem by nuking Estonia' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you are really civilized :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'poor estonia' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence it's in your interests that a model works for both of us' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'just like any other 6th grade bully :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i guess i would argue that there's no model that works equally well for all people' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'why hardly? Same mentality.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, xei :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'equality is a canard, it will never happen, and it never should happen' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'equality under the law perhaps, but there will be rich and poor until humans cease to exist' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the one and only solution is one and only government. that is honest. and nice' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the appropriate analogy Aphelion is some little shit keeps nicking your dinner money, so I kick the snot out of him in retaliation - you call me a bully?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'society is an attempt at homogenization. the problem is that there is no real requirement to belong.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that the modern 'liberal' interpretation of bully? someone who refuses to lay down and be raped?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it's very beneficial to belong' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'profitable, even' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'all you have to do to be a member of a society is to be burn within its bounds. There is no test for inclusion.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'born*' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'Heinlein had a good idea in Starship Troopers... you had to serve to become a citizen with all the rights a privileges. While serving maybe considered extreme, the idea of earning citizenship is a good one.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a friend. a programmer with a family and loans and shit. he changes jobs every year. he gets 3-5x the average pay. which is still lowish. he says that he cant understand where those rumours come from 4000 eur/month. There are so many programmers now. thanks to those rumours. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'it just depends, in the U.S., a programmer can make anywhere from 50,000 to 500,000' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the rumors will always be exaggerated' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'he gets 1000-2500 a month usually' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'this is euros?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that happens to engineers in the '60s and '70s. Everyone and their grandmother decided that engineering was where the action was, until the market was flooded. Same thing now with programmers. Eventually the situation will resolve itself when people start looking for another "hot" profession.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'sounds pretty dang good for estonia' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'relocate to estonia :-p' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i'm a programmer, and i interview a lot of candidates at my company. there are many candidates, and most are absolutely terrible' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'like they can't even perform basic programming tasks, yet they have a resume with lots of experience' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lmao' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'your point?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that there are many people in the profession, but a small percentage is worth their salt' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'very true' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's true in most professions.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i mean really, this already happened in the 90s with the tech bubble' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'put them in the mail room' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'how many doctors and nurses have graduated with a C average? If you knew would you go to them?' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'practically anyone who could slap C++ or Java on their resume was hired on the spot' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'then they stopped being able to find work after 2000, and just became paper pushers or managers instead' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the reason the market flooded.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'when they ask questions remind them they are just an intern' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by then we were already flooded with the russian programmers that came here for the y2k jobs' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol, it's hilarious that that was a thing' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'internship is done that way for a reason' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the scam of the century :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'make them earn a job' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and of course no one will abuse them :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'take one inefficent guy in each department and go for internships' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'play the public relations aspect' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'earning their job by fetching coffee and the cleaning for the paid employees, sounds like extortion to me :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'legal. ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, that makes it ok :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ideally ur not looking necessarily for free labor' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'ideally' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but we are talking about the reality.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but someone worth their salt' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Tiger doesn't live in reality :P' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion looks at Xaeris and goes "Heh." T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if they suck then you still trained them' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'google "interns" start at 100k usd/year' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'send them to the competition if they are that stupid.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hehe' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'a lot of interns now are basically low paid contract workers that the company doesn't have to take a chance on' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the traditional "go fetch me some coffee" intern may be a thing of the past' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...." T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they are looking for a job, if you tell them to dance on a table, most will.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'good if you manage a strip club...' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think of it like that movie Swimming with sharks with kevin spacey ' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you must not have worked in a corporate environment much if you think that that type of extortion is limited to strip clubs.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was a comment on "dance on a table", not on where that would happen' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh :)' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there are some fairly explicit laws in some states here about what interns can and can't do' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'most large corps won't even hire unpaid interns' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ironically, most unpaid interns work for political groups' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I am sure you are right. It doesn't change the picture much :) Being entry level is pretty close.' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'entry level is arguably worse, at least if you're an intern no one expects much' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'volunteer company resources towards a political campaiggn' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'entry level is where the true soul crushing begins' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'soul crushing' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'very' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'interns in a sweatshop' T3/r7/2015-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ideal business conditions regardless of laws' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amnesty international asking for UN security council members to give up the veto on matters regarding genocide and mass attrocities' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fools' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shimmering Silverdrake: 'Like China would ever give that up.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Russia, or USA' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'or atlantis' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned atlantians' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'squirrley mer-people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll want to look at this. i'd be worried if i had kids in this country:' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/02/24/video-of-the-day-watch-as-florida-parents-are-treated-like-children-for-questioning-school-curriculum/' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'puts me in mind of Harry Potter - Order of the Phoenix, and that crabby old battleaxe installed by the MInistry to screw up the school' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Xaeris needs to fuck right off' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sayin' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'why' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a rude git' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thank you tigernuts' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i try' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're his alt, are oyu?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'who' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'xaeris' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, then :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'was just jumping into a random conversation' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hopefully one day someone is nice enough to refer to me as rude though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/kfc-now-has-a-coffee-cup-you-can-eat' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'only in the uk atm' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'gonna try one tiger?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely, i won't eat at KFC' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'kfc is likely too expensive' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'kfc is likely too delicious' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they are expensive but its mostly marketing as their food is cheap to produce' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like corona ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kfc makes me ill, it -is- expensive when i'm skint, and also they don't pay adequate taxation' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the beer' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i have to have coffee or food out, i'd prefer a local cafe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but usually i just don't' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'or fosters' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'most likely the cup will cause cancer somehow' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or a neurological disorder' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'everything causes cancer' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so you did not research what the kfc edible coffee cup was made of before jumping to rash conclusions' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'actually was a joke' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and yes i did' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Gigglestuff is wrong, again' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/02/25/be-calm-robots-arent-about-to-take-your-job-mit-economist-says/' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and my last link i find very interesting' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/25/technology/ukraine-russia-internet-army/index.html' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, automation means that capitalism as a model is no longer sustainable' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'true but communism wont work either ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'communism is merely a more brutal form of capitalism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so what form of government do you think is best?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'communism is said to be (bloody) red capitalism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so what form of government do you think is best?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'srry ack' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism is specific form of socialism, not really a form of capitalism at all' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'communism was never socialism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a working benign socialism is never communism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are largely overlapping, as can be seen from the communist manifesto' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the least worst form of government is a small-scale constitutional republic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Karl Marx manifesto was lies' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there it is' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'communism is based upon lies and extreme brutality' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism requires 100% consentual buy in and an uncorruptable public' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a difference between lipservice and practice, brutal deception and benign pragmatism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'communism is cool, socialism not so much' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"small-scale constitutional republics" - islands -- perhaps doomed to be overrun internally with perversion, and perhaps externally by stronger nationalists' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts, you "flunked" history, or "disregarded" British history or you are "trolling"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'likely "rabblerousing" and "trolling"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"don't need to be able to lay an egg to detect whether an egg is rotten"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone asked me what the best was, i'm telling them what the least worst is' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think there is something less-worse, then feel free to name it and justify your choice' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz disagreed T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not disagree, name it :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts laid a rotten "egg" - attempted to state a "least worst" form of government' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz decided to not lay a rotten egg T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fine, then what is your best?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the answer is likely to take a honest benign genius decades to research) .. (maybe next lifetime)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'maybe the answer is simpler then people would believe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/stephen-hawking-advocates-for-empathy/' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let me get this straight, xyliz whinges at people trying to have a sensible talk about what their OPINION is as the the best/least worse form of government, and when called on it, has no opinion' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to worry!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I'm for autonomy but dont think humans are capable of that at this point' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get reasonably close to it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'low population density rural areas tended to be quite close to it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortuntely the world has bred itself almost to fatal levels' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe too late already - unsure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'na one good plague could get us back to where the planet should be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'instead of attempting to state rashly what is "best" and failing, there is another approach ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so your a eugenist and an elitist i love it!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no sarcasm. bet you've read lots of nietzsche..' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'eugenics?! ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'elitist?!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i go where the truth goes ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'maybe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'I'd say if i was in a position of power and went based on the views you expressed...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'as soon as the technology bbecame available youd have a choice' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'euthanasia or chip inplanted in the brain' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your choice' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this doesn't sound like a terribly good idea' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much as i'd like to reduce the population of the world by 90%, this sounds like a terrible idea' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no but he did say that one good plague would put humanity where it needs to be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'one could argue one good implant could make sure it stays there' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the views here are dynamic -- they are able to change (instantly) when a more accurate truth comes along' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'also yesterday he stated that people like to be ruled' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you wont let me change definitions i know ive tried' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what makes truth any different?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i said the one good plague thing!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ok true' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'my mistake' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'and while your implant idea has merit, i trust natures objectivity over any humans' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'but it does seem to be a common argument here ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'nobody disagreed with me, so i'd believe that' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"when push comes to shove, a plague may do the job" (but maybe there are more benign alternatives -- laughs sarcastically, then goes sardonically serious, stops laughing, and suppresses a sigh)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i look at worst case scenarios' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you sound very nihilistic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i search for benign options within worst case scenarios -- but when corrupt depraved humans seem to insist on being corrupt and depraved -- ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz makes some symbolic popcorn, sits back, relaxes, and watches the world head where the world is heading T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'symbolic popcorn ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'your ready for a chip :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'id take a youth from asia before i took a chip' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Marikk, again you are wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not nihilistic ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'define yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a previous hobby was determining whether there is a "God" or not ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i came to the conclusion there is no God' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marikk, you are right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'hmm?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'sorry questing and holding 3 convos atmm' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any time xyliz says anything is wrong, there is a better than odds chance that you're right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'oh nice debate tactic. now lets wait for a response' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when Tigernuts says anything about Xyliz, Tigernuts is usually wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'talking to him is like those search engine overload commercials.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'where can i buy oranges..?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'even better mark twains story about the goat' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'ask about the goat and you hear the whole history of the town...but never hear anything about the goat at all' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(either)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon to the coming end of the freedom of the internet?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i think that it could be a good thing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think a mandatory internet ID and government regulation of all internet content is a good thing?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'yes' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the internet has never been secure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor has anyone pretended it was' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'and people arent going to give it up anytime soon' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how is mandatory internet ID and suppression of the freedom of speech on it going to help?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'if someone were to secure it another way but so far no one has' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'may oust Tigernuts from the rabblerousing and trolling of lies' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does it need securing?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the internet is like the airport' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you have no constitutional rights at the airport' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no yelling "bomb" at an airport' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, but you should' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'dont like it dont fly is the opinion of those in charge' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just a bad interpretation, you have your rights, but so do other people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'start a vpn' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i dont see them regulating the underground networks on the internet' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by implication you're suggesting we break the law' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's another option. your breaking the law but thats a personal choice with consequences' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'honestly the government owns most of the bandwidth ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's try and take this from the top: Why do you think the Internet needs regulating?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'they sell it and have the right in the sale to attach any conditions they want' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the seller' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is they?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case whom?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'mostly the government' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's who the isps get it from' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you buy it from the isp' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'thats like saying you paid off your house so you now own it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you buy it from the isp, the isp then purchases bandwidth from the infrastructure providers, which is not the government. It isn't in the UK, it isn't in the USA. It -may- or may not be owned by the government in other countries' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'in reality all you have is a piece of paper' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're treading on metacorporate issues now' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'none of the isp`s really care' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets try and keep this for now in the corporeal - communications infrastructure is owned by viacom and so on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, that's kinda the point - the ISP's didn't ask for this regulation' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'you could organize a boycott but who does that anymore ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why is it being put in?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it only affects me in an oblique way, i'm not in the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the US, even' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'regulation wont affect me much at all' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will prevent you reaching those websites you like to post links to' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the governments are attempting to restrict the flow of information, to prevent leaks of their corruption and their favoritism' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'i personally could do with or without the internet' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for once, Xyliz is right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you have to think not so much how it might affect you directly, but indirectly' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'its about control' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'next will probably be book burning' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will affect others by limiting what they get to see to government approved propaganda. If you think people are asleep now, it'll get worse. It'll remove what little chance there is of things improving' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will that in itself not affect you adversely?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that because you have no faith things can improve?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the internet is able to provide reasonably accurate somewhat inexpensive information ($60 per month plus cost of hardware and software)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or do you simply believe things are absolutely great already?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'people who are asleep can easily be manipulated giving a distinct advantage. as much as i hate whats happening what can be done?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can be done? the bill can be kicked out' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'so theres no alex jones anymore lolz' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he has no endgame' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no anything except MSNBC' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and CNN' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that to me is the problem. no endgame. the counter movement is not as well thought out as the oppositions' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even Fox News will be neutered and only able to put forward pro-war propaganda' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not convinced there is a counter-movement' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a handful of people who've reaslised they're getting screwed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'it seems some are trying to play chess without thinking about the next few moves' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Msarik is attempting obtuse obfuscation' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'like chess your opening is everything. to me it seems to little too late' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what would you suggest?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to elaborate on that to make any sense, Xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preferably using simple English' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the bill gets thrown out ok whos throwing it out? congress?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it's passage is a forgone conclusion' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is your chass Elo rating, Marikk ... putzer, woodpusher, ..' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'none of those are ranks' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in future, it think you really need a law change to ensure that a bill is published in full a number of days before the vote based upon how large it is' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'answer the question or dont xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's something any prospective candidate should go for' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or go back to playing troll with your alt' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'that's an idea too' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'the elections are very interesting more so then ever' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'there is.a lot at stake' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'more then most even realize' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those chess analogies were horrid and inappropriate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'xyliz must be a politician' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got one coming in 2015, nobody is calling it right now' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'he sounds like obama when mitt brought up fast and furious ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'or he's candy crowley again lols' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the public in the UK are so annoyed, and what with Scotland's almost successful independence push, that 3rd parties, whilst not powerful enough to win, or necessarily get many seats, are strong enough to make the outcome unpredictable' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so much so that the whole establishment are linking hands, circling the wagons to try and fend off the 3rd parties' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'what do you mean?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do i mean about what?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Marikk: 'are you saying the english have a better chance of fighting it off?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the English speak english, unlike the Americans' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'tigernuts accepts all challengers' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure i'd go that far, but certainly there are more pieces in play here' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is caught pretty strongly in the grip of a 2-party estabishment cartel' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'dangit tigernuts you aren't supposed to be saying stuff on debate that I agree with.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has a small chance of upsetting that cartel, that doesn't mean even if the cartel is breached things will change - there's a whole establishment that backs it up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know it makes sense :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think the situation in the UK is much more complex than in the US, but yeah I agree with your take on it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 2-partiese are caught in the vice of those that supply the re-electiond monies' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think its quite that simple Xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its a 2 way vice' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Emm, you've already sold out' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you have money or are a big business and you don't want to get screwed by the federal government you have to have a certain number of politicians that are friendly to you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you are a politician you have to have some combination of 3 things, 1) popular support, 2) insider support, and 3) people with money's support.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you need some of each, but the more you have of one the less you need of the others.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides of the pond need some control of money in politics' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'except that just makes the political cartels that much stronger TN' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we need a fundemental shift in the way we elect people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"fundamental" or a wiser more-informed populace' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that sounds like a pipe dream to me xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure if removing campaign money makes it worse, you might have to explain that to me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a nonmsmoker T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, they just turned down laws to prevent members having second jobs while in power' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz does not do opiates (pipe dreams) T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at who has upset establishment candidates in the last 10 years, ultra conservative candidates supported by either massive grassroot efforts (which aren't cheap), or massive campaigns from AFP (aka the Koch brothers)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not necessarily saying that I like the fact that any of these people got elected, but they certainly weren't the party insiders that Republican's have been sending to DC for the past two generations' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they've rather carefully shafted those outsiders through the media' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul and Cruz are nowhere in the race' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul already sold himself out trying to appeal to the establishment GOP' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shame, now it'll be Bush vs Clinton. Score!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how many of those politicians are beholding to religious organisations' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bush and clinton? neither' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point is that money has shook up the estblishment (a very small amount). For the worse in my opinion, but sadly the US has not decided to take the best possible path of letting me decide who gets elected.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as I said there are 3 things that politicial candidates need, popular appeal, insider support, or money. The less of one you have the more of the others you need, and vice versa.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true. what other possible aspect might change this?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK had the UKIP effect, dissolutionment with politics' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'variety of powers aligning the same wag' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err way' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the 2 party cartel is pretty much formally established in the constitution with the plurality wins method of elections' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so would you suggest then the only option to change is some form of sucession or civil unrest?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but it has been actually formally estblished in various laws that make it ridiculously difficult for third party candidates to even get on the ballets in all 50 states.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no a constitutional amendment could do it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whether that is practically possible is another matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'start by repealing the 17th amendment' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the 17th say?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'popular elected senators' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'go back to having senators elected by the state legislatures' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'would do wonders for the "states rights" issues.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we also need to eliminate gerrymandering' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define that please' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'drawing political districts with the aim of influencing the outcome of elections' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i.e. making "safe" districts, etc.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'senators elected by state legislatures is likely also to be a disaster' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we could probably create a mathematical modeling system that detects gerrymandering and just reject any plan that scores over a certain amount on the idioticly shaped district meter.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'government by the few' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why Xyliz that was how it was done for the first 150 years of our country's existence' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and what prompted the change' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the 17th didn't get adopted until 1913.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1913 was a fucking bad year for the USA' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'funnily enough it was pushed by reformers as a way to ensure state rights' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 17th ammendment went through because of a reason' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which of course it did exactly the opposite.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what corruption or incompetence was the 17th ammendment meant to address' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if the 17th ammendment were reversed, what are the chance the same or similar corruption and incompetence is likely to reoccur' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it depends on who you ask I guess ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the state legislatures don't seem to be that cogis mentis either' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is in large part caused by the 17th' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'their importance fell away and now most people don't give a damn what happens to them' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but they are still critically important for one reason, they draw the election districts.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence the 17th not only screwed up the Senate, it also screwed up the House.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't much point getting states rights if they're trounced on by ignoring the 10th, and with alphabet agencies like the TSA, and DHS' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'none of that would have been possible if the states still controlled the senate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'every single one of those agencies are staffed at the top by Senate confirmed nominees.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I honestly don't know if the state legislatures are up to the job, or could be pushed back up to the job now, so perhaps someone can come up with a better idea' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be, but states can't overrule their existence' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I know where it all went wrong.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i disagree, what you want IS to push it back to how it was originally' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so your opinions on the 17th ammendment are based upon "maybe if the state legislatures were more important, then something something " (laughable)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just you might not be able to do that' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no but if they had control over who got to run them there would be a lot less trouncing of states rights I think.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no my opinion is based on historical evidence that a wide variety of problems emerged from this one change' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe state rights deserve to be trounced (unsure)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the jews deserved to be gassed, eh, xyliz?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including gerrymandering, the rapid elimination of states and individuals rights, and a deep entrenchment of the 2 party cartel.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and you seem to be oblivious to the wide variety of difficulties before the 17th ammendment' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'crap I have to go, be back in an hour' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course not Xyliz, but how many of those can be traced to the indirect election of senators?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz rejects the nazi Tigernuts T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry gotta go pick up my family be back later' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'obama is a pimp' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'he veto's the keystone pipeline so thats a gold star' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'agreed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I've mentioned before...and I truly don't know....why don't we build a refinery right across the border?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm sure there's a loss...but is it more a loss than shipping 'up' from the gulf?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and why such an issue if there isn't already a continuous pipeine to the south?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheaper to move the oil if there's a pipeline, and more environmentally friendly' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'but there's already a pipelline to the south' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'debate re 'friendly'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again...I ask...why can't we build a refinery righ across the border...which would result in more PERMANENT jobs' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'why send the oil south to be refined....just to be shipped north' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I assume there's a loss of productivity re cold weather...but is it such as to offset the shipping diff' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that said...i'm sure cold weather facilities exist in the world' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote dem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '2016' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think pipelines are the least of your worries' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that's what i've been told' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ought to be more worried about an encroaching federal state' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yet...here we are....deflection at it's best' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'doh its' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'can't answer the question(s), deflect' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thank you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the question?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you're better than that....you're no rookie....i know the name' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'scroll' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much will the keystone pipleline cost tax-payers?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and how much would it cost us to deny it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that goes both ways' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'danke' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it was a genuine question, devoid of ulterior motive - if it's being paid for by the industry itself, what is the objection to it being built that requires a sitting president veto it?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'fact remains...there is already a continuous pipeline from Canada to the guld' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm assuming another one is needed because of capacity issues?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you'd be wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'fact remains, this is about making money for others 'quicker'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'straight line.....see pythagorm' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's a corporate vehicle for profit. what's the downside?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the environment...the terrority which the new pipeline would stretcv' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and that you don't know, is the problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'move on...you've proved you're not on top of the issue' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: ''nuts' indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is the environment threatened by a pipeline?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'leaks' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'for all you 'jobs' talk...after building....there'd not be any real job additions' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'fact is....too many of you oppose any kind of common sense because Obama is President' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd suggest that you have far more to fear from existing pollution such as glyphosates, and biodiversity loss from mad corporate biotech' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I never said as much' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you attribute far too much, keystone isn't high on my priority list because it's just not important against the stuff thats going on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm a full believer in man's contribution to global warming...only an idiot would think man, who affects everything around him, isn't affecting the atmosphere, and subsequently clki8mate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and therein lies the problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you think 'you' don't matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't consume american oil, but oil is a transitory issue' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again, you think YOU don't matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't try and peg me to your environmental scaremongering' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm not' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that's your argument' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't sound like you know me very well' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and yet I do based on your comments' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound like it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not my first rodeo...ask around' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build your pipeline, don't build your pipeline, no skin off my nose' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it neither solves not hinders the problems i face' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again...only a fool thnks mans isn't affecting the atmospher.,...and subsequently the climate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'liar...you've shown as much' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's in black and white' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an extent, maybe, but not to the extent failed models show, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'extent is all that matters' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'with us...or against us' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'careful what you choose' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then against you and you can go fuck yourself :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'typical' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather the maldives drown that everyone else is forced to live in poverty and authoritianism ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you help more than you know' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'move on...you got nothing for me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yes, yes...you can't' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and that's the reality of the situation' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you been drinking?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep...and yet I still schooled you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'move on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing you've done is shown yourself to be zealot' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'why?...cause you disagree?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'typical' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagreement isn't a problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ask congress' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not my congress :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't answer to me, they answer to you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and therein lies part of the prob' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have my own bunch of idiots' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'shut up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Just another country the us has bailed out eh?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that before or after america caused a global financial crisis and took the planet to the bring of WW3?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and yet, still bailed you out' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you're welcome' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you bailed nobody out' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'whatever you claim' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Creestux - you made the claim. Got evidence? :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote dem peeps' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you only got involved in WW2 because some short slitty eyed folks from Japan kicked you in the nuts' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'got history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sorry...but we were involved long before the bombing of Pearl Harbor' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'You made the claim. So show me where it says that in a history book, or site, would you? kthanks.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'do people not study history anymore?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WW2, it was Europe and Russia who took the brunt' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Not everyone is an American here.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we were involved in WWII long before Pearl Harbor...to suggest otherwise just shows your ignorance of history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, you were, mostly funding the other side iirc' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then sweeping up all the dodgy german scientists afterwards' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'study some history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/america-goes-to-war.html' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'going to link a FRC article next?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Correct me if I'm wrong, that says we got involved after Pearl Harbor.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up and make a real argument\' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no....we were involved long before Pearl Harbor...educate yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make it an analog argument, digital ones are inferior' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'atlantians brasephus' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we've not declared war in many years...yet we've played a part in many' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Maybe you should go sleep off the alcohol. ^.^' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you'd like that' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wldn't change your ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Yup, yup, I would. Then I could maybe have an interesting debate on this channel. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like someone zapped xyliz with an electric cattleprod' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not based on anything you've said so far' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'scared?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'So, Tiger. How ya doin. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or one of those crank calls made to call centres with a homer simpson sound effect board' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you people are ignorant of our past...and so, you make it so easy to repeat the errors of said past' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm passable, fiain, you?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'neither' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i willnever set asians on fire in the town square, i learned from history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'No, you insist we are ignorant, refuse to accept anything we show you and refuse to show evidence to prove yourself right. *claps*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'always funny when someone is ranting about how everyone else is ignorant, yet refuses to actually give any citations which support his point of view, stating that "if people educated themselves they'd agree with me"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Eh, I'm enjoying myself now. :D' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'if it has merit, I'm here' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'me too re enjoyinjg' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Exactly, Majic.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the ignorant always are enjoyable' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh, I agree there.. *snickers*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what are we debating now? The keystone pipeline?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'they help more than they no' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'keystone is d-d-d-d-d-deaded' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that's their greaTEST gift' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I think we moved onto whether the US was involved in ww2 before pearl harbor.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sadly, they have no idea that it works out that way' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sadly, they have no idea that it works out that way' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Involved being with military action, not economic.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'nope....' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that question is whether the US was involved prior to declaring an offical war' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I provided something that helped clear it up, since it says isolation from war before then.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Show me an article then.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'most intellects no we were' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you're a big boy...go search' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: '"Most smart people agree with me and if you dont you are ignorant." Is that right?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course we were involved, we had troops on the ground in europe before pearl haarbor' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I'm not a boy, thanks. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'of course' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, it's "you find evidence to prove my assertion"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'you used no instead of know. YOUR ARGUEMENT IS INVALID' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we were shadowing ships long befor an official declaratiopn' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Emm, can you provide an article? I'm seriously curious.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I was told it started after and if I'm wrong, more than happy to say so if you can show me. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'people are shamelessly trying to rewrite history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'And Majic.. yes. :D' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and by their comments, they never has a class' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure give me a couple minutes, my grandfather was there though as a military advisor in the UK.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US was too worried that hitler would do something bad with his enormous collection of western movies' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I'd appreciate it, I'm patient. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'hitler had the gustav gun!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Hitler had a death wish' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the ampetamines kept him movin along though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he won' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler was an underachiever' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'he did not win' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure he did' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i dont really think he did. i think he had delussions of grandeur' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he got his wish' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and such a statement means you're jpart of the problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'what wish?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just told us that he had a wish' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'wait are we talking about adolf hitler or barack hitler?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and you're deflecting' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'keep your crazy lies straight' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think the U.S. was militarily until after Pearl Harbor. I believe the U.S. was helping Britian with the lend lease program for supplies. I think there were a few Americans involved on their own prior to Pearl Harbor, a few in the RAF in Britian and I think the Flying Tigers in Asia started before Perl Harbor.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ditto' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, gigglefluff, the black dude, ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'martin luther king!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'tiger woods?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wait, wait...we don't hate him because he's black...it's because he's a muslim' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: '"(Debate) Creestux: 'Hitler had a death wish'"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up peopel' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a foreign muslim' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Just to quote.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm sure it must've been al sharpton, creestux has a boner for al sharpton' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'al sharpton is a racist POS' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al sharpton's boner is racist' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yes, yes...he must be a muslim...we can't hate a black man in today's world' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yes, yes....I'm white' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the soles of your feet?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'he is a kenya-born muslin alien who is an illegal president because he was made on the moon' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? i thought he was a lizard' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'rofl gigg' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's a lizard person' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hired by the illuminati' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Baracthulubama' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Woah.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yes yes majic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'The Illuminati exist! :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'So do house dwarves. They steal socks and xbox controllers.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'underpants gnomes' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh, those too.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so...is there a reason we can't build a refinery right across the border from Ca?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'none of the northern states are dumb enough to agree to it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thought they we GOP supported stated?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Why would we want it again?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'gotta move south before you get to the Hyuck munees r gud type people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not scholarly but here is probably the primary example of us military in europe prior to pearl harbor ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'because to ship south....only to ship north...is just ignorant.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland#United_States_occupation_force' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are quite a few refineries in the northern states' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'But you said production is slower up north?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Emm, much thanks. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no...I asked if it was' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and if so, would the difference offset the cost of shippin' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'listen' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'finding stuff about the military advisors is a LOT more difficult, and probably debatable whether that constitutes troops on the ground' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain nods at Emm. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Huh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if the difference offset the cost of shipping, the for-profits already did the math ;-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'though my grandfather certainly thought it did' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I've yet to see the math' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't we deserve to see it?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no. you deserve nothing.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I'm not a history major, and that wasnt what I was told. Thank you, Emm, for the site. I will admit I was wrong there. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'everything is earned NOTHING is given!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sad...this is your country...and you ignore common sense' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you own the company, then you get to see the math' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'note that I never said, and do not believe we had troops engaged in active combat with the axis prior to pearl harbor' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that isn't the same as being really neutral, which we simply weren't' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'kk....we have to decide the debate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I want to discuss keystone' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we talking about wwII or keystone' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think ww2 is over' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your ports and refineries are in houston, if you build refineries at the border, you'd need a pipeline to take it to the south anyway' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'rofl...indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'why?.....to just ship the refinned products north?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Obama was right to veto, but not because we shouldn't do keystone, but because we shouldn't get in the habbit of congress specifically shortcutting the administrative process for a particular project' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not shipping the refined products north' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're shipping the refined products overseas' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a port does' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wow...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lots of debate there' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so...and yes...Obama was right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'out of high school, I worked for United Refining Company of Pennsylvania, which has a refinery in northern PA :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need to ship it back to canada, canada has their own refineries their own supply and a shortage of people, unless you have some understanding that Elk are going to become largescale oil consumers' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'AND because keystone was bad' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'shippin overseas should not be a primary concern' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why is keystone bad gigglefluff?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's money in it. it's a concern' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't care what your concern is, that's why they wanted them linked' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sad, sad, sad......there's already a pipeline to the south' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not big enough, they say' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '$$$$$$' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'because long term it creates less than 100 permanent jobs and causes damage to the environment without mentioning leaks and spills' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay that is a bad argument, i will explain in a bit' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'after gq' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the figure remains topped at 50 permanent jobs after construction' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i don't have a strong opinion on it, but isn't the environmental damage done by the trucks driving the oil from northern canada to different parts of the U.S. going to do a fair amount of damage too?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'oh, i can give you other reasons. that one is just the most important' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of jobs is somewhat secondary, what's it worth in revenue terms' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and yet I still ask...why no refinery at the border?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'many more permanent jobs' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a refinery is not needed at the border' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'very little tigernuts, the money spent building it would be better spent on infrastucture' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet I reiterate, there are refineries at the border' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no shippin from the gulf' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that doesn't asnswer the question abe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the money? whose money, Gigglefluff?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no matter how much you want to to be so' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does, actually' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no it doesn't' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"why doesn't xxx exist" is invalidated by "it exists"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'there will surely be private money but i am talking about government money.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yes, it does' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you could choose to revise the question, but the question as asked is handled' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is nothing here that suggests tax payers money is involved' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'If you need to it be so, go for it. I'm not a newb....I've seen what you've had to offer....mostly nothing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'see you time and time again show your ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not a newb, merely newb-level at debating' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'google tigernuts' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'whatever gets you to sleep' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*lick*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: '"In ayurvedic medicine tiger nuts are used in the treatment of flatulence, diarrhoea, dysentery, debility and indigestion."' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'well, there you have it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'lols' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sounds like a queer' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so tigernuts is the cure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and I'm the queer' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*grin*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but tax subsidies are pretty much tax payer money, arent they?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'feed the trolls people...they're our biggest assest' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build it, don't build it, UK couldn't care less and neither could I' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus it's bedtime' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'irony' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'hey, i'm american and i don't care' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'and even if i did, it wouldn't matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'night, night' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain nods at Xei. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the fact is it does matter' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the problem with arguing that the keystone will cause environmental damage is that not building it will almost certainly cause more environmental damage' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'part of the problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'rofl' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'is there a place to vote for "do/don't build the keystone pipeline'?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not building it will cause damage' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'um.. how so emm?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'please' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the tar sands will get exploited, and the products will get shipped, including a large amount into the US, regardless of whether we build the pipeline' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so why build it then?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'this guy thinks voting matters, that's hilarious' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'there's already a pipeline to the south?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and trains are more dangerous than pipelines on a per unit basis' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up people...a refinery at the border means no shipping and less cost for the finished product' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://www.npr.org/2014/11/17/364727163/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it only means no shipping if that's near the final consumption destination' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'nobody wants more refineries at the border' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'refineries have shipping in, and they have shipping out...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'why ship oil to the gulf just to be shipped back north?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because the vast majority of it isn't shipped back north' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a refinery at the border is a really bad idea since none of the border states with the possible exceptions of Pennsylvania and New York are at all experienced at regulating refineries.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite a bit of it, creestux' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and they wouldn't be where such a refinery would be built' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'people in the north need gas' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but I don't foresee that changing any time soon' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people in the north have gas produced in northern refineries' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'or are of the idea is shoulc be ship foriegn?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if we just turned iowa into a solar power plant we'd all be ok' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again, ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'people wonder why we'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know where my fillup was refined' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we're dying as a world leader' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no one is using common sense' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe...you don't know where you got your last bj from' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no gigglefluff iowa is not nearly as good of a candidate for solar power as Arizona or New Mexico, we grow a large chunk of our foodstuffs in Iowa and it doesn't get nearly as powerful of sunlight as AZ and NM' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'bush the dirt off your shoulder' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'plus iowa has more water than az/nm which reduces costs necessary to grow foodstuff' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my bush isn't on my shoulder, lrn2anatomy' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at Dispel Majic. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but there are things that are of value in those other states, iowa not so much. I also took into account the lower sunlight by including the whole state which would be FAR more than we'd need' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'god...I cannot believe how ignorant so many of you can be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we could power all of the US with a few hundred square miles of solar panels in the AZ/NM desert' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'truth' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm a firm believer in solar' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it would be five times more expensive than currently subsidized, exempted, and polluting fossil fuel power' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'sadly other than warren buffett only the govment could afford to do it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that will change eventually' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not even close to true gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'isfthe sun can power everything on Earth, it should be able to l' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'doh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'solar is the future' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the electric utilities could easily afford to do it, but it would increase our national average electricity cost and hurt the economy' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'absolutely true. it take a lot more money than just tossing a bunch of collectors out in the desert' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'but it's been hampered by the auto industry' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again, the sun fuels everything on the earth' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think you have a really skewed idea of how big the electric utility industry is in the US' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it can fuel your hou7se' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Warran Buffet has a LOT less money than Duke, Comed, Ameren etc.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'you cannot assume the current utilities will hop on board. you're not going to be able to use any non-public owned infrastucture.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'just like money has skewered climate change discussion, it's skewered alertanive energy....the auto energy had been fighting such advancements since the '70s' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they will jump on board the moment it is more profitable for them to do so than to continue their current path' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'exactly.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'which is NOT what we're talking about here.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's no secret' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that will happen naturally over time (at least if you beleive Germany's recent publication), but we could help it along with a nice moderate carbon tax' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'just stop subsidising gas' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'those who oppose a carbon tax are rich or in big business' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no mystery' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '2016....gonna be rich' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Everytime you say that I'm tempted to *nou creestux :D' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on....' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'temptations are for the weak' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'vote perot ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'rofl gigg' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain snickers softly. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'No and no! :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and that's why the Dems won' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2016 is going to be Bush v Clinton and I could care less which one wins since they are virtually indistinguishable in any way that matters.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I don't think clinton is our candidate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you don't think she will get the nomination?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so you could care less?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'would you like to place a small wager?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she might get the nomination, but frankly at this point it would be throwing the election' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its a figure of speech gigglefluff' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'if it's Bush vs Clinton again, then the U.S. deserves whatever it gets' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it means exactly the same thing as I couldn't care less.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are too many people who are prepared to vote against her just because she is her' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, just because of who she is' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'let's just call it what it is, an aristocracy where the royal families just take turns' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'except the opposite?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it actually doesn't mean the opposite gf' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so sick of this' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'We get told to grow up a lot. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who needs to grow up now?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'half of you cldn't pass the test an immigrant passes' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so you're telling me could and couldn't mean the same thing?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I said most of your were infants' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Emm - The saying I use is couldnt care less.. but thats me and I dunno, maybe where you live its different.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ancient historians trace "could care less" back to a film called "Clueless", which popularized the phrase "As if I could care less"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'eventually "As If" was split off, leaving only "I could care less"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no I am telling you that the idiomatic expressions "could care less" and "couldn't care less" are semantically equivalent.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Interesting. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'mind blown' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's 'couldn't care less'...but anal predisposed people have to make that an issue' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no offense' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you are right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xei, that's interesting, I always wondered how that got into popular culture.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain nods at Dispel Majic. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote dem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain looks smugly at Creestux and screams, "NO U!11 Creestux!!" in her most classy voice, You are gripped by an urge to join in. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Too tempting. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'why can't i just not vote for evil?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'then you'd not vote' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'why do i only get to vote for terrible people?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'as I said...lesser' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we should be able to vote "none of the above" -- if "none of the above" wins they need to pick a new slate :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not how it works majic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that would be awesome majic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'OMG then theyd always need new people. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://blog.dictionary.com/could-care-less/' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'term limits seem like a good idea. no incumbents, every election is a fresh batch' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um yes, that is why I said "we should" and not "we are"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'naguc,,i know you...and I know you're smarter than that' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'soab' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'emm...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'Many native English speakers, both in the UK and US, find this expression to be logically flawed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'elaborate?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'filing this under "Things that truly don't matter"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'a quote from the linked article' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not much on 'links'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Things that dont matter but are interesting to know. :' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'anyone worth his salt can find an article to support his position...common sense means more' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thins fall apart...it's scientific' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nevertheless it is an idiomatic piece of the language' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one that people get up in arms about, but still a part' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'is it?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as is fat chance and slim chance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which both mean the same thing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Creestux.. read. the. article.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'a linked aritcle is about an agenda' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Then shh, we arent gonna quote it all. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I cld link a thousand in response' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'except fat chance and slim chance are not literally incorrect' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I rather see a common sense rep0ly' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'do you have one?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'saying i could care less when you actually could not care less is literally incorrect.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh, I have common sense. Most people dont when they are drunk though.. its ok, we still love you. *winks*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yes, yes.....I said neither,,,,and yet we've discussed both' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I could care less is easier to say. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'words have more meaning that just dictionary definitions' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are conversational implications that go far beyond the literal meaning of the words' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I do not think that means what you think it means.. >.>' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm an indeed drunk....' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '...and I've not asked for any forgiveness' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I know people love me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'can you claim the same?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Yep. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Well, Im not drunk.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have children, so I am loved unconditionally :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'nor are you loved' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'But the rest, yes. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'cop out' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'but...love the fact you love your children' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and technically fat chance should mean a large chance so your premise is flawed GF' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Wow, harsh. I'll just tell my family and friends that they dont love me.. itll be a hard fact for them to accept, but it must be done. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'they should always be the most imp0ortant thing in your life' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not sure that's what we're seeing though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I've always called it as I see it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ask around' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay are we done debating interesting things now?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Well, since you nothing of me, I do think you need glasses. And I think so, Emm.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'perhaps....' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'bring something up emm' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'i love a good ...'actual'...debate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'shall we discuss 'Daesh' now?\' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'those losers' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'You know, me too! Where people dont tell each other to grow up and actually talk.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well before I had to leave I was talking to some folks about the travisty that is the 17th amendment to the US Constitution.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'please ...everyone going forward...refer to the infidels as Daesh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for those that don't want to look it up on wikipedia or whatever the 17th is the one that made Senators directly elected instead of elected by state legislatures.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'elaborate re 17th' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are a couple of things, that fell out of this change' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the most obvious is the dramatic shift of power from state governments to the federal government' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'still being vague' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Patience, grasshopper.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Emm, wouldnt that give more power to people though?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we already had the 'federal' vs 'state' fight.....It was called the Civil War...anyone familiar?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the more insidious one in my opinion is that since they no longer elected senators, and the federal government was asserting more and more power, the state legislatures slid into ignomy and relative unimportance to most people' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'states still had power after the civil war, they just didn't have the power to secede.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we live under the Constitution....instead of the Articles of ' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'No clue what that is, never heard of it Creestux. *sarcasm sign*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the 17th killed state power way more than the civil war did' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'for that very reason' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but aside from the state versus federal' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Emm - why was it enacted in the first place, do you know?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'the civil war wasn't about slavery...It was about state's right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'If it killed power so much.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 's' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because no one cares about state legislative elections anymore they have become more and more creatures of whichever party is most popular in the state' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up and learn our history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the thing is state legislatures still have some really important powers vis a vi the federal government' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most notably they draw the election districts' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Creestux, who are you talking to? No one said what the civil war was about but you.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so tired of you people being brainwashed.....educate yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*brushing you off*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'come strong or don't come at all' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'fiain' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'lol.......' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Election districts have to follow specific rules though, but it can be easy to manipulate those.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there were a variety of reasons the 17th was enacted, depending on who you talk to, one of them was, funnily enough, to prevent federal government coopting state power.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'someone doesn't know what gerrymandering means' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you lost...shut up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'gerrymandering is primarily possible because of the 17th.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh, I know what it means. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: '^' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wait...again...not fair...trolls are the best weapon' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'So it kind of did the opposite of what they meant it to.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you can't claim one thing...and then claim gerrry' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'that's how almost all policy functions actually' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Creestux I still have no clue what you are talking about. Elaborate?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '2016...get out and vote' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'another reason is the fear of deadlocks in senate during times of vacancies when senators left office' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'should i get out and vote if i'm going to vote for a republican?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'another reason was fear of corrupt state legislatures having too much power in federal government' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'No thanks. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote regardless of party' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the last is probably the most legitimate one, but not the one that had the most historic force' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain goes, "Hmmmm." T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i never understand that. what if i want to vote for the U.S. nazi party?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'difference between you and me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'We still have deadlocks.. And gerrymandering so why have we kept this?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'give a shit what party your choose' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain looks smugly at Creestux and screams, "NO U!11 Creestux!!" in her most classy voice, You are gripped by an urge to join in. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'gerrymandering is a result of the 17th' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's both a right AND a duty' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I know, I mean.. why have we kept the 17th?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since people care a lot less about state legislatures the parties have a stranglehold on them and they aren't really responsible to the public' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep...I was a Boy Scout' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because the people in power like it?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it helps the 2 party system' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'why have we kept any laws? because amendments are practically impossible to repeal without a groundswell of supporyt' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'two party will be a staple' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Not required, yes its a right and not one we need to exercise. Off topic, I know. Not, back to the 17th.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Now*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'until a serious fourth emerges, you're just throwing your vote away on a third' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not rocket schience' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'butchered that spelling' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and that's why....tis lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'But itd be possible. I bet most people dont know about it. If we appealed it, what would happen?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'the entire thing is kind of borked, you'd need something like a proportional representation system to get anywhere near sanity' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'as long as a plurality gets 100% of the representation, you have over 50% of the population being marginalized' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well that depends on what we replaced it with fliain' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'two party system...reality...vote for the lesser of two evils...the Dems' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if we just went back to state legislatures electing US Senators we would have some big problems for awhile until the populace realized the state legislature elections mattered again' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Some people feel the republicans are the lesser of two evils. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yeo' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'doh' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'And some people just dont vote. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'one of is right and one of us is wrong' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'And its a matter of opinion which.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and to those that don't vote...they shyould shut the fuck up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Aw, thanks. But nah, no shutting up here.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Anyways!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ditto' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'good luck in 2016' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'so let me get this straight. if you don't vote, you can't complain. if you do vote but your guy loses, you can't complain because the system worked.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'TBH, most people dont care about the state legislatures. I know my friends who vote dont.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'love the haters' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'they help more than they know' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if chu complains ve vill shoot zhu' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'i guess one part of it is that 24/7 news cycle doesn't really cover state/local stuff' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Xei, I dont vote. I can complain if they do a bad job but Im not biased in thinking anyone else would do better, and I know being a politician can be hard. *shrugs*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'federal politics is more or less american idol for ugly old men' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*lick*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I dont have to like what they do, but I accept it. And.. yeah, that is true too.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'News makes a huge deal over federal elections.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Local and state? Not so much.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'my grandpa just watches fox news all day, probably 10 hours a day' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'unplug his oxygen please' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'my grandma and your grandma...sitting 'round the fire...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'wonder who he will vote for? TV is basically destroying what critical thinking skills exist' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'politics are just another consumer good now' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Obama isn't bad because he's black...it's obviously because he's muslim, or non-American born, or whatever reason you need it to be to justify your ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'hes a mexican muslin terrorist' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'he's destroyin' this country, i'll tell you what' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and proof' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'he loves terrorism and hates jesus and american apple pie' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh noes... apple pie. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yeah...and man who'g going to rely on the funding of being an ex-President is trying to destory he us' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yeah and he's gay, and he loves gay people, and he molests children' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and you've shown your ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Dangit Xei, why didnt you take my bet. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'where is the common sense?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'where?!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Not with alcohol? :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'cld be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'i judge it on your argument' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'not what you consumed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'can you do the same?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thought so' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Nah, I think alcohol strangles it. And, yes, but you havent really given arguments.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Dude. Phone typing = slow. Chill. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sure, sure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'whatever gets you to sleep at night' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'You havent. Unless.. does grow up count as an argument? :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'let's go then' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so far the only arguments you've put forth have been "shut up", "grow up" and "you're ignorant"...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'pick an arguement' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Exactly, Abelinc.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lol abe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'pick one' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every one since I got home' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'pick one' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't made a single point in an hour and a half' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I say what Abelinc just did. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'deflection at its best' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd have to see one in order to pick one' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you see it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'deflect' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'put up, or shut up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Not deflection. Saying its already happened.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'still waiting for you to make a single actual point' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'glad you agree' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't put up against nothing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'helps us all see what posers you are' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Who is us, creestux?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, that's a winning debate stance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'another ignorant comment' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure that it'd win in debate club..."you're a poser"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain giggles. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and yet you avoid it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no YOUR a poser!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why are you still talking, Creestux?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'I woulda been smacked had I made arguments like that on the debate team.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'if that makes you feel so' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'go for it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'creestux take a shot before you press enter each time' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I take a shot all the time' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'That might be alcohol poisoning, Giggle..' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'only if you consumed it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'that was the point' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh. Carry on then. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'right here' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Alcohol poisoning it is.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake reminds the channel that we should stop feeding trolls. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'Damn you peeps are ignorant' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ignorance....feed the trolls' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Milkshake, I cant... its too much fun!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'they're the best offense' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Especially when one is drunk. ^.^' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Then its really hard not to troll back. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'troll on...I encourage it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh you know, that's what we should do, create multiple sites/forums on the internet to route attention hungry people who don't mind being abused, and trolls who love to abuse them, so the rest of us can carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hahah' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh haha, wait, 4chan, reddit, it's been done hasn't it?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'shut it magic....your history preceeds you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Its been done. Sadly, I frequent here and not there. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's what I was just about to say, milky' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on...ignorant people will prove such' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as is clearly evidenced by your posting history' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they already have' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe...rofl' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain chuckles politely. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'one to speak' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fi-Bot Fiain screams, "NO U!11!!" Feeling insulted, you feel an urge to retort! T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Eh, not gonna repeat it. Once every five minutes is enough. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'So... Creestux.. Does the name Kojiro sound familiar? Just, out of curiousity.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'omg, I hope you get gagged. I don't mind a troll if he's funny, but spam is THE limit (clutches pearls)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'does the name Cadmus sound familiar?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mael licks his lips and smiles. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lick mael' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'soab' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Creestux licks Mael. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Nope. Not at all. Now -that- is deflection. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'if you need it to be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'just proves your a rook' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you're' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so shut up and move on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Just calling it as I see it. :)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ditto' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'peeps doing ok?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're delicious' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'all good...no need to make a target of yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'spread my lu' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'luv' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Grow up = luv. ^.^' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'i'm 42...catch up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one has nothing to do with the other' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'more ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Abe, if that was at me, I was being sarcastic. :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thanks for admitting isuch' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh, no problem! :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe...you're been a poser for so long now' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's great software' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'we love you for the joke you are' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Abelinc, I agree with Creestux, I would totally do you, too.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't try to change things' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'But its so fun... ^.^ Milk, I'm still laughing.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'can you?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'moving out?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'joel?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Oh sure I can. Its whether I want to that is the question.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up....abe, majic' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wish I could...only 5'9"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shit I'm taller than you?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '7 in cut' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'move on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I figured you would be with gigantor for a brother }:>' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe....you're sad...over the years' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you have nothing to stand up for' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I get to keep my name over the years :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'kudos' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that just proves how sad you are' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'mention of my name evoked memories' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, not acting like such a total douche as to get kicked off is a sad thing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much of it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'i deleted' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Kamdble didn't' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'carry on ;-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sorry' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'again, proves your ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad deletions are disabled, you'd probably do it again' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'deletions are disabled?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I might' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'have been for many years now' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'help delete' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'that means nothing to you though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wallow in it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'seems very reasonable, all MUDs should do the same' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oddly enough, delete was disabled pretty much the week that you deleted' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Now who isnt moving on? :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I've always been on to set precedents' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thanks' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'too bad it wasn't you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'jealous?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'CLANINFO: Malcontent rumors abound as Littleman is silenced.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and cheater' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'cheater?!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and terrorfist' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You tickle Creestux. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wth...i've been deleted twice and i'm still standing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'who's the real rookie?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'crawling is more accurate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wthe....as I've said, you've been proven guilty many more times than me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'grow up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you say so' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I did' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'btw...tf is a pimp' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'much better than you'd ever be' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course, I use tf every day }:>' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'tampon fitting?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on.' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you say' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never do though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on...got no time for these prickis' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'tf cld own you ...if he so choose' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Great example of moving on! *round of applause*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tf couldn't own me cuz I own tf...' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Cadmus gossips 'well if you tripping balls to the walls like it sounds like.....you really should have someone sober about'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*lick*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*grin*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you cldn't be half as cool as me if you tried' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*li8ck*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're just ice' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'so cold' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'fuck off abe' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'poser' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fluffle Creestux mercilessly, making his fur a terrible mess. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'got to love a fluffer' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'easy there, you wouldn't want to go breaking the rules' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm made to break rules' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'perhaps you should grab your balls and stand up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'indeed' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I thank you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'too late....' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're welcome :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'to bring it' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'danke' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'more proof' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'only one on in your clan?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'taht says a lot' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I outcast them all' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh wait, that was you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no no' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Creestux on his head. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'still ignorant after all these years' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'go figure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'once fatesdagger left..kinda down hill' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's not the peep...it's the message' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe has neither' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'surprised he even had the balls to join a cla' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I am' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'see...I've see you at your worst...the joke among players' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'someone who had to say something about anything' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'creestux can i get cliffnotes? abes kind of a dick but i've never had any problems with him, i'll go get the popcorn' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whine whine whine :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'also whats your mains name?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep, whine, whine, whine' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'dinner and a show' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'his main was a joke, but hasn't existed in over 6 years :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'kudos' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'i've existed many times over 6 yuears' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'comes back every now & then with new chars until they're deleted' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i got nuked once.. ppl can change :P' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and yet you've down nothing in that time frame' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'his main wasn't nuked, just went full stupid' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep...i deleted' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'after outcasting the clan' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'someone needs a history review' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'here comes the fox news spin' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't an ignorant person would know though' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't hate on Fox' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '..go on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'they're one of the best assests some of us have' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '...okey' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'if you have access to the internet, you have access to better sources..' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'as I say....feed the trolls.....there more 'offensive' than they know' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, websites aren't allowed for creestux on debate' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'butchered that' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe....you're ignorant' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no points are ever to be made, no citations ever to be given' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'seen it over and over again' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only debate tactics are "you're a poser", "you're ignorant", "shut up" and "grow up"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'year after year' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you fit all those' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'got something real to say?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'or should we refer to the aformentioned quotes?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'grua was waiting for your history lesson' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'typical' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see, that's what you get out of creestux' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'asked YOU' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'All your arguments are bad and you should feel bad!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Creestux on his head. T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'alright, i'm bored.. later guys..keep jerking each other off' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'speak up abe...or shut up' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he wasn't asking me, my statement was already made' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'thought so' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stated that history needed to be taught, and then went to your standard fare of nothing' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on abe....as I said...trolls are the best offensive' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yeah, 3 hours and not a single point to be seen' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you're a poser' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'period' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean [tactic1]' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'whatever you need to tell yourself' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I stand by that statment....You're a poser' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'eloquent as always' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'danke' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bitte' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'you cld be so much more...but too worried about the perception of others' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your opinion matters' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'irony' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '....NOTTTTTTTT!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'really, your mom was right' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'as I said, irony on display' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you should go watch "Teaching Mrs. Tingle"' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't need a movie to know what's 'right'' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'perhaps you do' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'gone to piss' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'abe...you were a poser when i left...can't imagine much has changed since then' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'no ONE can say they same of me' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'done' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'moving on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i said good day, sir' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lol' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'alright barney' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'willy' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'lomas?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'loman? no' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'had a chance' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wayward son' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'I'm not your son' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'poser' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'what?! He didn't join Chaos?!' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '*shock*' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'and therein lies your problem' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the person that didn't join any clan but who completed a goal?' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '....didn't join chais' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'os' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wallow in my curse' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'long shall you be alone' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that is a curse, sucks to be you' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'yep' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'still only abe re chaos' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'religion is destroying us' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'yay net neutrality passed. booo there were 2 dissenting votes' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they'll screw it up some day. no doubt.' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do we get to find out what's in it yet?' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before the FCC brings in an Internet equivelent of the fairness doctrine, Internet ID, or start regulating what can be said online?' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's trying a back-door AR15 ban' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be ignored by states' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'What color is this dress? http://doctorwh0universe.tumblr.com/image/112183057405' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Looks periwinkle.' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'white and gold, or blue and black?' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Looks periwinkle and gold :P' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'close enough' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'evidently, there's an entire internet debate over the color of it' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Haha, even our Fox affiliate just posted a story about the dress on their news site.' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'well it IS fox..' T3/r7/2015-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'either tens of thousands of trolls popped up overnight, or people are actually seeing it as blue and black' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'sorry peeps...had a rough night last night' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'my apologies' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote dem...the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor Spock :-(' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's dead, Jim' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'id be more upset if it was george takei' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime Obama trying to ban bullets illegally and the FCC steals power to ban free speech on the interweb' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but is the FCC going to ban what Tigernuts says' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not covered by the FCC' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you, on the other hand are free to spout whatever bollocks you like, as long as you go along with the fake liberal establishment agenda' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'fake kenyan liberal adgenda*' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'explain how the FCC is going to censor American speech -- the Fox tv talkshows already spout bollocks' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the internet in the USA now falls under their regulatory authority, so they can do it' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether they will now, or in the future depends on them, but since they haven't published the 332 page rule book, we don't know' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what, they could have got it passed with no antagonism had they done it out in the open' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, being the most transparent administration ever and all' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so too does the FCC regulate the American TV broadcasts -- and FoxTv is there' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'used to be something called "The Fairness Doctrine"' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so how is the Internet going to be more censored than Radio and TV' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on whether they're given the nod to. Obama had been talking about reviving the fairness doctrine, so i can understand their concern' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, had they made the new regs out in the open where people could see what was in them, then we'd all know and maybe people wouldn't worry' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Fairness doctrine" as in "Balanced views broadcast" (not lopsided propaganda and lies)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well no, that's not how it works in practice' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in practice in means you cannot voice an opinion, it shackles free speech unless you're government-approved' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means there is an implicit bias towards the establishment' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really want your news channels to look like BBC or RT?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or all of them to look like MSNBC?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or would you prefer them to all be varied and with known bias?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Britain is different to the USA -- the libel laws are different - speech is Britain is heavily censored -- speech in the USA is far looser' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'big difference' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see how, given we're talking about the USA, not the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'am surprised you are able to spout the crap you do - as though you are speaking from somewhwere in America' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd, given i've not said anything wrong so far' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is your beef?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'igernuts, you associating "Boko Harum" with "A whiter shade of pale" was crap ' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a play on words, dear' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a near libelous play on words' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riiight' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps you misspelt "Procul" and intended demaging the rock group's reputation all along' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[2014-Jan-02 18:07:49] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, Prince Andrew has been fingered in an underage kiddy fiddling case in FLorida' ' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"underage" ?!? ' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"fingered" ?!?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'errata: [2015-Jan-02 18:07:49] not 0' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, very trustworthy quote when you datestamp it and get the date wrong :P' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'errata: [2015-Jan-02 18:07:49] not [2014-Jan-02 18:07:49] (Aardwolf ought to add the year to the date-stamps on channeltalk)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or you should not muck with the data' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the channeltalk is stored by month in a properly dated filename, the year was not added until reposting here' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so absolutely nothing of substance then, just some issues with language, comprehension etc' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't surprised if you didn't start picking at spelling or grammar' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's the limit of your objection, i can live with that' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i aint gonna pick on your grammar im gonna pick on yo mommar brah' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my momma dun werr no brah' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'na brah whoa?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is paying bills in cash morally wrong?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'wut' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's been propaganda put out by the UK, dutifully put out by the media, that paying bills in cash is morally wrong - it was done so because the government were getting heat for letting large corporations, especially HSBC bank, get away with fraud/not paying their taxes' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their argument being, paying bills in cash allows some small tradesmen to not pay tax on their labour, thus defrauding the taxmas' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore they were demonising cash. I ask, is paying in cash morally wrong?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ha the uk is dumb' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole world is dumb, gf' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'touche' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how about it?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'i would say no.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct answer :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how on earth do people live in texas? 37F today, forecast 79F tuesday, back to 48F by friday' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'plus it is the dumb capital of america' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, dumb capital of america is California' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'no.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'not even close.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you not seen Mark Dice videos?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely california' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'ive been to both places... i dont need videos' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'and no.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'not even close.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa8S4GilqogQILnrvxLgZREFkebrMfJ3f' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'youtube is not a reliable source' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere is a reliable source, but since that's where he posts his videos, that's the only source' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'why is he an expert?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a person who provides entertainment by pointing out the stupidity in others' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't require a lot of qualifications' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'd say it's like Creestux not needing to have any scientific nohow in order to have an opinion on global warming' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so you're using some dude's comic video as your basis?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'so you're using some dude's comic video as your basis??' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'oops' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i not say earlier that the whole world is dumb?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought Indiana would be dumb, went there and was pleasantly surprised' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'but then you said california is dumber than texas, which was counter to my view.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, texas politics tends to align more closely with mine (a million miles away instead of a billion miles) which suggests that generally they must be less dumb' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if texas politics align with your views i pity you' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read it again :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'if texas politics most closely align with your views i pity you' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'because texas is easily one of the most assbackwards science disbelieving states in america' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, well yeah, there's that' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you get that everywhere, california has al gore' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gigglefluff buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head. T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'More than one way of being bat shit crazy - at least evolution-deniers are easily spotted and generally harmless' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Suspension of disbelief is for fantasy. When dealing with science, you want quite a bit of disbelief.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'More so for some "sciences", certainly.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather share a state with people who leave you alone, but believe god created the world, rather than a state that believes in evolution, but wants to micromanage your life' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You prefer Heaven to Hell? What a curious notion.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm living in purgatory, does that count?' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'interesting point' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have similar arguments with a friend, in the event of an apocalypse, i'd rather the people left were not very bright, but sensible, friendly good people, rather than highly intelligent, but lazy cuntish fucks' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work with highly academic people, they're not all that :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that alters my outlook some' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If there is a correlation between intelligence and goodness, it isn't very strong' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again the correlation between intelligence and independent thinking doesn't quite seem to be +1 either' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely not' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a very strong tendancy, i've found, for academically bright people to be lacking wisdom, lacking broad knowledge and common sense. It's like they had a fixed number of skill points and they bunged em all into one place' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The benefits of specialization :)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so for instance, several people i work with have PHd's, have published numerous papers, but are incapable of making a cup of coffee without spilling shit everywhere, and park a fleet car with the hand brake on so that the next person to use it cannot because it's seized on' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't know anyone with a PhD who regularly reads something from outside their own field' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ok, correction, I know one who probably does' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but even getting BA-level knowledge in a field takes a lot of work, so why bother..' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'decisions: which to choose: phd improving the world, or disgruntled troll able to do coffee errands ' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i go with the phd -- i don't drink coffee' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are not mutually exclusive, xyliz' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'd argue that if you have too many of the dumb phds, you'r enot improving the world' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Not all areas of knowledge necessarily improve the world :)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a glut of phds is good. preferable to a glut of ignoramii' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there were a glut of phds, the world wouldn't work' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the world works because of phds' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world works despite phds' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like graduate degrees, the world could lose more than 50% of them and nobody would notice the difference' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We are some distance past the point where more PhDs is the most useful addition to knowledge.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could afford to lose half of mine :-)' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'phds produce new technologies, rabble-rousers produce ignorance' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Some of that is because degrees become a tiny bit easier with every passing year' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't necessarily produce new technologies, not all PHDs are concerned with technology' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do agree that we could use far fewer stupid people' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In empirical finance, it seems that a dozen or so professors create new formulas and the rest apply them to one specific area, with rapidly diminishing returns' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i would then add we can do with far fewer cuntish people. THis would seem to be a reasonable compromise of opinions' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and we're talking about applications that don't really require much skill here, but they still get phds and publication points for it' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least phds know how to produce a proper report with bibliography footnotes and references (as opposed to the crap on this debate channel -- youtube as references - bah!))' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least in Norwegian law, phds are compilations of knowledge in one specific field, and don't involve much actual novelty or improvement, although of course the writing process improves your law skills' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I imagine most other fields aren't terribly different' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slight difference of forum, xyliz old boy, and besides, just because there are references doesn't make your argument true' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's not get snobby over references' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be claiming you can't use an RT news source because it's Russian propaganda' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Only American propaganda is reliable' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only American leftist propaganda is reliable' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'next, Tigernuts be coming out as a communist waving a copy of "Pravda"' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought those were the same' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'might be better than waving prada' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time someone quotes Fox news, Xyliz kills a kitten' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, no cats in the house, nor nearby either (strange, folk prefer dogs around here) ' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't afford prada, this is the UK' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can barely afford Walmart' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'boris nemptsov was shot dead.' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nemtsov*' T3/r7/2015-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'So, looks like Putin assassinated his political opponent' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless they actively did things' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'vote Dem, the lesser of two evils' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gigglefluff: 'vote cthulu the greatest of all evils' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'love a fluffer' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'carry on' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'one week extension?!...let's waste another week' T3/r7/2015-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'get out and vote people'