T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't really understand why they're doing a 3D Phantom Menace'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, it sucked in 2D, it's still going to suck in 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i disagree, i loved episode 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher pukes.
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Episode 1 was a complete dumpster fre'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'fire, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It was terrible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it was like paying 10 dollars to be assaulted'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Woudln't aardwolf be great in 3D'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'damn trekkies...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol the text is coming right for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It has nothing to do with being a Trekkie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I happen to be a Trekkie, but I also loved Episodes 4 through 6.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'that garbage didnt deserve the star wars label'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Lucas dropped the ball with Episode 1, and then he flat out forfeited the game with 2 and 3.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'SW and ST are enjoyable, but i need some real scifi like writtings of Robert A Heinlein (starship troopers, stranger in a strange land) or Phillip K Dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'jar jar binks is the worst character in cinematic history'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jar Jar singlehandedly ruined that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i couldn't agree with you more on that one stretcher lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol ya he really is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starship troopers was real scifi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'read the book abelinc :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yes it was and awesome satire too, the sequels were pretty bad IMO though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'im a giant bug who's gonna pop your head and drink your brains with my straw'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya dont watch any movies after the first'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'straship troopers 1 = awesome. Starship troopers 2 + 3, utter garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pfft, the movies all kinda missed the point of the book imo. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'needs to be more sci for it to be what I'd contrast something as "real scifi" for...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'what isnt scifi about interplanetary marines that kill giant intelligent bugs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: '.. "real scifi" is such a contradictory statement lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the mere existence of a space ship, with pretty much no other technology involved, wouldn't be "more scifi" than the things being contrasted...'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'more of a global community in the book as well, and some badass mechsuit drops from orbit right off the bat that they never even tried to reproduce in the film'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and my term 'real scifi' was just subjective banter on what i think is quality literature and what is not lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'oh i understood it, im just stoned and thought it sounded silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, star trek/star wars weren't written as books. they were written as films. heinlein's were written as books :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'films/tv, that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'ever read Neuromancer? i can't remember who wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just finished the book by phillip k dick that became Blade Runner, called Do androids dream of electric sheep. and hell f'in ya trihex, William Gibson'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I seriously tried to twice and couldn't get into it for some reason. No real idea why.'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'gahhh i never finished it! someone stole my book at school lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'download the audiobook or something, thats what i like to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, audiobooks are great for commute'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'can slap em on my phone, laptop, to a disk. so nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'wasn't that book turned into a movie or something? or a prequel to a movie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for some series that get really involved, I'll listen to audio while reading along'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Neuromancer? the trilogy was turned into the rpg Shadowrun a year after the third book came out, no credit given to Gibson.. and pretty much spawned the whole cyberpunk genra'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'just seemed like i heard that somewhere back then.. was years ago that i read it'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the way tolkien created the elf and magic genre today, Gibson created cyberpunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice, suppose i may pay the $8 on the android market and just put it on my phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anybody read Ready Player One?'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats not bad trihex. i signed up for Audible.com and got it for free :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'most audiobooks online are like 30 bucks or more though'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'Wikipedia also points to a million cyberpunk websites, some that include whole short stories, it's excellent'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'i can't believe we haven't been told to shut up on this chanel yet lol ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'haha because its good information to share. i gatta go to work take care everybody'
T3/r6/2012-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'nice chat Khaim. Work hard for the weekend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it a computer glitch or a navigational error which caused the italian boat to hit a rock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Tyrant Unforgiven: 'wasn't it the fact that it was an italian boat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was a glitch myself, no way to prove that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was probalby made in china or russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since Chinese or Russian vessels don't normally sink, I don't see how the origin is relevant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's computerized'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the chinese workforce works for the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still missing the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one look at north korea and you see what russia's like'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you're on their side, i'm not stupid like most of people'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, most of N.K. problems stem from the US embargo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the great hacker aleph1 was from a japanese suicide cult'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people don't know that though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that the cruise ship sank due to software sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most probable source yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage would be different than glitch'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a sucker for human error'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted, Abe, but what then does Aleph1 has to do with it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'If this is so, then why was the captain the first person off the ship?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most problems are human error, however...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, human error, whether building or operating the machines :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he wanted to cover his ass he woudln't have been teh first off imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a reason IT people like the term Pebkac'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instinct, this current world isn't the world where the codes of conduct were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is contrary evidence that he was the first one off the ship, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's 350,000 honda automation problems that 350,000 people wouldn't make'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in a situation like that the company needs a scapegoat, if they can't pin down the cause, or even if they can. Insurance companies demand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn warfare through interpolation and extrapolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that the captain may not deserve to be found guilty. But since cannot testify to his behavior I will reserve judgement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if he was the first, ever seen what people do when they mess with the mafia and are on a string?  they wouldn't jump off the ship after crashing into a rock if they knew who their patrons were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's some interpolation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im going on a carnival cruise in less than 2 weeks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being innocent captain wh's devices messed up on the other hand, human instinct tells him to run'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope you can either swim or can row, Dirkdiggler :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe it was sabotage by people who have access to the electronics on the ship and the satellite guidance systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'point is he's in jail and the case is solved as far as they're concerned, like the 1978-1982 case in britain's Iran bombers, but a little different, the wrong guy gets locked up possibly, while the real criminals keep on selling the justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oops, irish*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i love the way you wrap that up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, no, the point of the sabotage...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, history has a way of repeating itself, when the criminals keep on writing the rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: ''real criminals'...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, what was the goal/point of the sabotage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they can be the CEO, the president, the supreme court, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wh's gonna catch them?  the people they pay to catch you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sabotage is either highly directed at something, or is for publicity...publicity only works when you let people know it was you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we follow the money, I don't see why would anyone would have done it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people are beyond money, the rothschild's donations of several hundred million dollar estates for isntance, and they're denial of jews entrance to israel during the holocaust on wikipedia'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless there was some secret cargo on the ship and this is the only way to extract it... But there is no proof that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the cargo could have been removed under the guise of looking for survivors et corpses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'too many questions.. i have just come to terms with the fact that we will likely never know just what really went down during say, the JFK assassination, or strange events on 9.11.2001'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There was no Israel during the Holocaust...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1939 i think it was israel was invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'israel 48'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a British territory where Israel is now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'part of a deal with saudi arabia and roosevelt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel came into existence in 1948'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'born the same year as the CIA :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did we say it was over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel became a state by British charter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think you mean the japanese bombed pearl harbor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no I don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, maybe not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the international community doesn't see transnistria, but they supply every enemy of the USA with weapons, led by ex-KGB, and hosting the most wanted european criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point of history is that it is written by the winners, so we can only take the winner's word as to whom bombed Pearl Harbor :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and putin is Ex-KGB also, stationed in dresden from 1985-1990'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the stasi burned several of 111 kilometres of files on abused german citizens in 1989'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes?qt=qt0479926'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, calling him ex-KGB might be stretching the truth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, kgb's alive and well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'calling him KGB would be closer :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tha's funny, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I certainly don't remember that from the movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's one of the most-played scenes, in all the highlight reels :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as big as thank you sir, may I have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I must not been focused :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have been*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen what this planet can look like once it's all dead - that kind of drives me onewards to fight against that death, the leadership needs to change and be more maleable'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a serial killer and not racist, i just believe that some people if they don't step down deserve every torture they're given'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i was talking about the book Daemon by Daniel Suarez in here earlier. i hope to god that somehow becomes a reality soon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the planet has been dead a few times and will die a few more times before the sun goes nova.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters and stuff recently are only a testament of things to come, and they're welcome additions to men making war on eachother, but there will come a time when nobody will be alive if this keeps up'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what are people's chiefs doing about it?  they lead the people who live their lives'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'good point anaristos, catastrophe, death of 99.999% of everything, is the only reason we are here now :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Think about it, Druzil. All it needs to happen is that the sun gets a bellyache and we are history in a matter of minutes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'natural disasters are one thing, human's causing them are another - some are called for some aren't, and these aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'astronomy never scared me'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the earth will recover and and eventually there will some brain-carrying animal polluting the air again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky is very intimidating in itself true, but here on this world we should stick to focusing on making this place better'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget that our atmosphere was manufactured by plant life. terraformed so to speak'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can thank the bacteria for that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we can fuck it up, but bacteria will win again, and again'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dirt-eating, oxyigen/co2-farting bacteria :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same way the 100trillion bacteria strong community we call a human body survives all the crap we put in'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'you think we'd ever terraform other planets? or have entire sustainable populations in space?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i have faith in the ferocity of life of out smart our stupid monkey serlves'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe there's more to a human or a lifeform than their body, because i can't explain some things they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i know whats that called Druzil! stupidity!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without a mind, neuroscience never would have existed for isntance, and they say it's only chemistry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well.. seems to me that stuff gets into quantum non-locality, consciousness. it must pervade all the cosmos. there must be life EVERYWHERE. for me to believe its really here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'There are terraformed planets already, Kirua. The problem with them is that their biota won't exactly match ours. A small difference is all that separates extinction from survival.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a limit to stupidity, once you know a single thing then it doesn't exist there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always keeping an open mind is important though, absoluting your knowledge turns you into a heretic, which is what most people hate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i weigh my mind based on probability of correction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing leads to another and it goes pretty far'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a zen master can deduce the entire universe from a single fact :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Anaristos: 'besides we can tailor bacteria. Ship  it to Mars, for instance. But that won't solve the temperature problem.': many say thats likely how WE are here lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or so it's claimed :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That's the point, Khaim. We are here and this is the only friendly environment that we have. We are exactly tailored to our conditions. Everywhere else we go we will have to modify the environment to survive, if possible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'means 'we' wont be there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter how congruous any other environment is, it will only be an approximation, and the difference could very well be fatal. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there 's a cartoon called terranova i watched some of on superchannel, has the humans invading a species who doesn't breathe oxygen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Or at least, we haven't found a suitable one yet ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the editorial we :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a interesting concept, what's the worst part about it is that humans hated their own world though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shangrila and things like that, nice ideas and possibly existed at some time, eden is a place in yemen'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unpractical is because we work in the opposite direction and place high value on destruction'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ecosystems are exact, approximations can only be survivable if we can mutate fast enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the end is death, not only of us, but of the ability to live in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'DMT...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shows us consciousness is crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute sanity is scarier than all hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats why i run from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, a change in the gravitational gradient will either destroy our skeleton or destroy our musculature depending which way the swing is. Unless we have offspring that can adapt. For us, the game is over of course :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's gotta be some awareness though, that's where the place of chief's and kings were'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i heard terence mckenna once talk about the term 'Logos' and how back in the day, to hear a voice in your head when reading was a skill of divine attainment'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I take offense at any attempt to govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a philosopher from austria in the 30's who developed a system of black sun/white sun politics, one was authoritarian where the leader makes all the rules that the little people follow, the other was a leader who taught the people and wanted their input - alot like the real idea of democracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that as equal human beings (sans monetary wealth) we do have the right to understand what we need to, and our governance should be maleable to our concerns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you search ancient history you find liars/traitors and bad kings dispelled of quite gradually'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their root shouldn't be allowed to take hold as the overseer of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I miss the point of government. People begs us to put them in office, and when we do, they expect us to thank them for doing us the favor of having been elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the fact that the US government has secret hideouts to go to in case of a catastrophe pisses me off no end. That is an odd behavior for servabts, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'servants*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, my biggest beef with government is they give their people a bad name for no reason, while their people had no say in attaining their rep'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'At this point I would like to note that earth gravity does vary over its surface...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's neccessary they should be able to tell them that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It wouldn't be so bad if the gene pool that they comprised would be one that humanity would be proud of. But I am sure that if only government people survive the catastrophe, humanity is doomed anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'earth's gravity varies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'within acceptable limits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in relation to your distance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'about .5% from place to place...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so if you were on your moon BASE?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, if you want to feel the variation in gravity just stand up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'seriously though, up in the mountains is less?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only real gene pool is one where the parents get along with eachother fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and its mass, which constantly grows, not by much but its calculable :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the higher you go, the less, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'machinistic hate isn't any reason to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'planets with gravity within a few percent of ours are probably reasonably common.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'probably, but that is one of many factors, and only if the gradient is within range, not the average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then there is the magnetic field, the electric field, their interaction, the flux of the field, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'life, by its very nature, is remarkably adaptable...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the existence and shape of the Van Allen belt...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. But only through mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how we are here today'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know about that... Bring an eskimo to the equator and he won't melt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the original hominids would instantly croak in this environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because it is within the accepted range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have th eskimo breathe Pre-Cambrian air and he will overdose and die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that range can be large enough that we can push some planets within that range.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi. For our children's children. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ones that wil live there well will be born there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if children can't be born or born and live to mate, the planet is a killer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the ones who will live there well will be the ones who finish terraforming it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they survive they might not need to finish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would presume we would send them with appropriate equipment rather than dump them there and hope they survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, planet colonization will be similar to what happened naturally on Earth, but with certain significant shortcuts. We well not need fish to learn how to walk on land, for isntance. We can skip that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'from that POV, we are merely the infant, in Gaia's womb :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Actually dumping them there would benefit them more in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Find planet with suitable gravity, introduce suitable atmosphere... introduce suitable spin, adjust incident light... '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjust amount of radiation shielding, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'suitable spin, you are speaking of the formation (so we think) of the moon right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we can do that we can also build more congenial habitats. It would take less energy to build something to live on than to terraform.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all can be done with sufficient resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we're thinking in the long term, we can throw rocks at it to adjust the spin...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's another point, we need a moon just where our current moon is. That has significant influence earth's biota.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the really long term, it isn't beyond any physical law to make your own planet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it isn't. Just build some structure at one of the L points and presto :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... artificial moons are expensive...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am betting that they would be less expensive than terraforming :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if what anaristos envisioned is a reality in older species from older regions of the universe.. its possible.  we also see that due to the magnituede of the sheer number of forming solar systems...we might just be an ant hill in a rich jungle'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and faster to build'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you already had one, if it's on the small side you can throw rocks at it until you get the right size'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, habitats are certainly going to be cheaper...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can spin them to simulate gravity...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the thing is, you have to realize how fragile our environment is. How close to extinction we are at any given moment. That won't ever change, no matter where we are. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simple economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that largely depends on our tech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we have access to lots of energy, lots of problems can be made to... disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what are you going to do with the native biota?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'museum'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most planets won't have local life...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but we havent severed the umbilical'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, forget the large size animals. Worry about the bacteria and virus :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we dont understand how vital everything is'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'every thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if there was a planet we wanted to terraform, but had nasty organisms living on it, we could just sample those, then sterilise the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sonshi, if the planet can support native life why would it support our type. If the place is so congruous then it would stand to reason that it would have biota. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope no one visiting us gets that idea...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it can't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if they did would we even be able to know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we'd know from the rock dropping on us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i guess so'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would drop a thermonuclear device on the sun, it would be quicker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'irritating the sun into a giant flare is the way to go'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'almost no one would notice a thermonuclear device going off in the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sort of like squiting a water pistol at the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we wouldn't notice but that  doesn't mean that it wouldn't affect the sun.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'squirting'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless they just got us working, we extrac a lotta gold, and manufacture uranium et al. at a staggering pace'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just like when Jupiter got hit by the metorites, they put minor holes inte atmosphere the size of the earth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a civilisation that could travel easily across the interstellar void would likely find us inefficient for any of their uses...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the first thing another species would do if they found us would be to exterminate us.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't think there's any way you can make that assumption either'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... those meteorites had for larger energy values than any thermonuclear device we could build though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'far easier for anyone to just drop rocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'k s'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I doubt any race with a powerful destructive urge would ever make it to spacetravel'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably not'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a safe assumption. They have to view us a detrimental to their survival. They would realize, being space farers themselves, the resources we have available to us. Resources that would enough to destroy them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this "we come in peace, take us to your leader" crap won't wash too well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a completely unsafe assumption.  We have absolutely nothing to base another intelligent species properities on, let alone one that can travel through space'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but such urges are not necessary to contemplate sterilisation before terraforming, any more than your doctor would hesitate before wiping your skin with alcohol before jabbing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Again, you're making a lot of really big jumps'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're putting modern humans in spaceships and saying, "What would they do?"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would attempt to destroy us for the same reason we destroy rats, roaches, and other vermin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what we might do, for sure. And that's what someone else might do too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You can't use human motivation as the basis for this model'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always a chance they'd pop by and say hi, but we aren't going to count on that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not, but to assume that just because they exist they will consider us harmless is suicidal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Although you do reveal a lot about your own personality and outlook'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'd put $20 on you being american'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remember that running into them is penetrating their sphere of influence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would lose :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well no one gambles and wins every time'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at the very least, if large rocks were to start getting hurled in our direction, hopefully we can figure out who's doing it and how to beg them for our lives or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the first thing that they would see is some invader.]'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and how to get them to realise there's already someone there'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what will they do when they deduce that the "friendly" ship is armed to the teeth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they didn't notice us in the first place, they probably won't recognise anything we can throw at them as weapons'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or that the "friendly" colony on the planet has been tracking them with warheads?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't have gotten as far as they did if they weren't aggressive, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just want to say that i am american, and i love rats. they are awesome pets, and i see in my self and others the capacity for generous compassion and empathy. I have to think that if a race was intelligent enough, and in haromony with themselves in ways we cant comprehend right now, in order to make it this far. then Gene Roddenburry was completely right and his visions were factual LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you got run over by a truck that didn't see you, the gun you were waving around hardly matters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Khaim.  They won't kill us, they will make us their pets :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i can only hope'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they even notice us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you actually think that if we run into some intelligence out there we will end up in some version of sharing tea and cookies?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not even sure they'd notice us in the first place, let alone communicate'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think that making assumptions one way or the other is insanity'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'first of all, humans are not that way. Humans will try to milk them for whatever they can get. That has been proven by history over and over. Secondly, as I said before, they will be aggressive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If they notice us at all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your second point is circular logic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"They'll be aggressive because they'll be aggressive!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, they are assumptions, but not insane. All I am saying that I would be armed to the teeth and prepared to blast anything that look suspicious. Better say I am sorry to the dead, than being too dead to say I am sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and again, you cannot extrapolate out form human behaviour to what an extraterrastrial will be'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'All your argument breaks down to is, "If humans were in space..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a reasonably good chance they'd just go "Hrm... okay, sterilise planets 2 through 4, drop probes 1 to 3, head for next system."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as though a species from another planet would have anything inherently in common with us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's IMPOSSIBLE to dedude anything about another intelligent species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'deduce*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you do it your way and I'll do it mine. If you think your chances of survival are better by pretending that the other side is harmless ( just as bad an assumption as thinking that they will destroy you) be my guess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'guest*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'jesus christ'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they made it into space, you'd guess at least that their whole cultural setup is capable of that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Immediate intellectual denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they didn't kill themselves off, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'They could be hyperintelligent insects, that have never experienced an interspecies conflict, and remain hyperaggressive to anything outside of their own species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or they could be similar to our mammals, and have evolved compassion etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but making either assumption is insane, outside of trying to write a good science fiction story'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'let's be honest though, if they're hostile there isn't shit all we can do about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and more than that, space is not a friendly environment. So it takes a lot of aggression (sublimed, of course) to take on the dangers of space travel. Further, even if it is just for exploration, they will have a protective mantle which may very well shoot first and ask questions later. There is no safe place in space, a mistake in judgment will kill you. If you destroy a few friendlies, that would suck, but it would suck more if you mistakenly assumed they were friendly and they destroyed you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unless the tech that comes from space-faring peaples precludes all you have assumed there :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order to have sufficient inventiveness, I don't see how conflict can be avoided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... technology and civilization are not synonyms. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Sonshi: Again, you're operating within human culture and patterns'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'they sure as hell are anaristos! lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'because most of human techology has been pushed by the competitiveness of capitalism, you're assuming that's the only way to do it'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but the entire earth biota operates the same way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couldnt feed a population without our first technology, agriculture'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you tell me what animal will not run first or attack when they find something strange in their environment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't mean that the first  farmers were civilized :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fight or flight, pretty basic'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Anaristos: Humanity has already reached the point where there's no need to be aggressive or dominating.  In fact it's a reasonable assumption that if humanity doesn't quelsh its aggressive nature, we'll destroy ourselves long before space travel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it didn't take us much technology to dominate all life on earth, and no longer need to fight for survival at all times'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, really. So all the wars of the last few hundred years are just what? Little bumps on our road to uber civilization? How many more years of that? 8, 17? I am willing to be that we are just getting started in the road of self-destruction. Humans are obsessed with finding the most expeditious ways to kill the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and heaven help the aliens we meet if they happen to have something we want.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Right.  I agree.  Our seemingly inevitable self-destruction is a pretty good example of why a hyper-aggressive race like humanity isn't what we should be basing extra terrestrials off of.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said there's no need, not that we aren't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you think much the same as I on these matters, the psychology anyway Averan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a TP sold for 4m earlier, the market's going UP!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'evolution is another constant from which we can deduce a number of things...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I agree, up until the point where self-concious entities appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all I am saying that meeting others out there may be what destroys humanity. I can't see spacefaring lambs. The ones we meet will be aggressors. Whether they are as aggressive as we are or not, that's another question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'once you have Humans (or the equivalent) the general rules of evolution fall apart'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'not to mention that our traits of compassion, kindness etc, are evolutionary advantages'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can't just say "Evolution" and justify aggression'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'survival requires that the living destroy each other so that only the strongest mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a species to have space travel, it needed to reach that point somehow. There's no pathway to acquiring sufficient intelligence that makes any sense, other than that it was needed to gain a reproductive advantage over others of the same species'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'survival requires that people have access to the most resources not necessarily destroy it could also be to keep people poor'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If we're going to use humanity as an example, the thing it needs to survive out long enough to gain technology like space travel isn't more aggression, it is less.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see that. You can be overwhelmingly technologically advanced and still be a savage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that too. it's a balance'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technology is not a civilization. Technology can lead to civilization, but you can have civilization without techonogy, also. So it isn't even a requirement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have no idea what that has to do with anything anyone is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that just because one is technologically advanced enough for space faring doesn't mean that we (or they) won't shoot them (or us) on sight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's impossible to say one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we don't even have enough information to form a reasonable guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, that's true. You can bet that they won't. I will bet that they will. I  will put flowers on your grave.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Your passive-aggressive "agreement" is very cute <3'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point of that is, that it is more prudent to assume that they will, though it might be more "civilized" to assume that they won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not you bet that they will doesn't preclude you from being in the grave ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd both be dead if anything like that happened...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Also if they're aggressive and are able to cross the gulf between stars'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's nothing we can do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'long live ender'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they were nice aliens, we'd still have to make them realise we're here, before they'd consider not (accidentally) killing us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the only one clever enough to defeat the buggers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if they're not aggressive, and we're diplomatic about it, we can negotiate our way to a reasonable survival in interstellar politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'So unless you know how to combat a race several thousand millenia of technology ahead of us, I advocate for diplomacy first'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best thing to do if something showed up and started to blast us with rocks or something is to try to make them realise that we're here and would you please please not off us'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Granted it is hard to work up a  psychological profile of an undetermined alien race, but I can't see then getting out into space without a high sense of survival and I can't see a high sense of survival without the prerequisite ruthlessness.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan is agreeing with that Sonshi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You're trapped in your human perspective.  We're aggressive and squabbling, therefore everyone else must be!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe detonating a few nukes in a certain pattern...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ruthlessness isn't anywhere near a prereq'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It reminds me of the guy in the evolution thread going, "I can't imagine how the eye developed randomly..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure I am trapped in that perspective and I am a pacifist. That do you think it's going to happen when the perspective is that of some general?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more science is created through creativity than ruthlessness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's used for ruthlessless after creation, not through creation'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but most scientific inquires are first directed into way to destroy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of the really big things were created under the pressures of war, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence the existence of the nobel prize...let's make the world a safer place by helping keep miners & transporters safe...here we go, he made a bomb'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe back in the days of Atlantis. But most modern conveniences are collaterally obtain from war research these days. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you are able to think of the opposite of him then isnt also a human perspective since you are human? both are just opinions and speculation and both are valid as such'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, they were refined in war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's half and half'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a couple of remarkable technologies (rockets, nuclear power) were derived from war research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the west didn't waltz up to china and start blowing bits of it off, it might still be coasting along...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a lot of other shit (medical advancements, computers) were largely derived from peaceful private research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Nobel prize is not adhering to the original intent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the west "opening up" china wasn't any technology being developed by war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a remarkable amount of medical research was developed to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well trained troops, after all, are pretty costly'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to save people from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'come, Abe. The west opened up the Far East with guns  pointing at their cities. Open up or else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very little was to save troops specifically from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Vaccines, cancer treatments, etcetc are all peacetime inventions'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... and there're more people dying in war... and under worse conditions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Marco Polo, he stole and ran.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the claim that we couldn't develop quality technology without war is just plain old fallacious'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'superglue is probably the most notable thing created to save troops from dying'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say we couldn't. I said we don't/'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually you did, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only in the modern era that we seem to have figured out how to innovate without blowing ourselves to bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'except for the giant mountain of evidence that we do'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you gave it as a requirement'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, and have you look at the mountain of evidence pointing to the stuff we don't get because it is classified?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Have you ever taken a drug invented in the last thirty years?  All of that is non-military research'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how do you know that, Averain? Who funded the research?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Large medical conglomorates that want to make a profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I suspect that our current setup only works because everyone fears that if we got too backward, our neighbours will do to us what people have been doing to each other for thousands of years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'funding the research is not the research being done for war'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'working with federal/international governments'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'universities too, they spend a lot on R&D'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor "ruthlessness" as a required driving force'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the government funds the research, the research is done according to certain specifications and deviation means cancellation. So, and I know, because I've been funded by the government all my adult life. Everything the government sponsors as research has military use.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'sounds like you have a bias'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is the reason for the funding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how about stuff like pasteurization?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you know jack, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the basic research that drives the large jumps in tech are by and large driven by government rather than the private sector...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is a bit before the time, Kirua.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more survival instinct than profit motive, at that level, I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a time when government didn't fund anything :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'You know, many country's governments invest heavily in research of new meidcal treatments, because it greatly reduces the cost of their public medical systems'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol no there wasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they didn't fund pasteurization'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's all about national competitiveness'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good point, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all of our nations wealthy have gotten that way through a paid for advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you don't think that the government sponsors something because it thinks that it has other uses than military, then you don't know jack :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'railroads, banking, warren buffet and on and on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one of the motivating factors driving a government's lust for competitiveness is the knowledge that their competitors may one day tear them apart otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope anaristos, there are plenty of government research avenues with zero military applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'as if you would have done differently if given the opportunity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't mean that if it doesn't find a military use it will discard something useful. All I am saying that the primary motivation is military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'any statement to the contrary is worthy of druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'government sponsors what they are told to sponser by the wealthy that contribute to them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the boundary between military and civil strength is blurred in the long term...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can go along with that , Ucla. I don't see that weakening my point :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the military does fund lots of "non-military" projects, for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but other arms of the government do as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im not trying to weaken anybodys point just jumping in '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research that supports the economy is also a part of defence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the internet was sponsored by ARPA and it was a military project, doesn't mean that the internet is not beneficial.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it wasn't the internet then. It was the ARPA network, a hardware network.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was definitely military, nobody's stating it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government's just a bit more blatant about it... if you saw that page...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "this was military" is nowhere near the same as "EVERYTHING BAR NONE is military"...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'economic defence, one of the five pillars (and in the long run, the most important one)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am saying that the government will sponsor something looking for military application, if something emerges that is beneficial and non-military they will not quash it, but that wasn't that they were aiming for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'instead of debating, you guys should be plotting a way to get Lamar Smith out of office :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'his new PCIP bill is "interesting".'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what you stated, anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Let me present two or three examples (from a single nation with a history of over-the-top military investment) now look EVERYTHING IS MILITARY~'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, some of the people that are opposing him now elected him. That should teach them a lesson :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'is he crazy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and they launch that campaign on a certain anniversary... Their not so subtle way of saying "defend our economy/society/etc or the japanese (or someone like them) may land here once again."'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure that you want to believe that the fief lords look out for the serfs. That's very romantic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich serfs make for a solid defence'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aren't rich serfs an oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well fed, anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and occupied'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there we go :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with lots of toys (less than their overlords, but...)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'rich serfs make for less money in the feudal lords pocket and that doesnt last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess the american government may not realise that... to their detriment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wealth isnt a zero sum game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the serfs in the US don't have money :) They have debts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when you don't have to spend money keeping them from killing you'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'keeping the serfs from killing you can be expensive, as the DPRK illustrates.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the spore flag on its side in that total defense logo looks like a happy face'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to admit that the credit card is a hell of a way to indenture the people. Very ingenuous and painless for the most part. Except for the times people jump off 3rd story balconies. '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be intentional!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'psychological defence and all...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh hell yeah, anar'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but when you own all money and it comes right back to you its not costly at all....waging war against serfs when you both pay for the war and get paid for the war is net zero result'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're doing you a favor, here, go buy stuff, you can pay us back "whenever"'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but just in case, let me have the deed to your home :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you can't pay it back, it's your fault, so you feel guilty'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone should max out their cards and then default :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the serfs have their toys, and if they run out, they feel sorry instead of angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might cause ripples :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'credit cards are one of the biggest scams in the history of the world...we have usury laws that prevent higher than 10% interest and they lobbied out of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'then when people start filing bankruptcy they changed the bankruptcy rules'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, what's worse that they tell you about how low interest rates are. And they are low, if you are a bank :) Nominal interest rates are at 14%+'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people sort of take mortgages from their retirement accounts..'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they borrow our money cheap and lend it back to us expensively'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'i think you end up paying yourself interest. Not sure how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the FED is practically throwing cash at the banks at the discount window, but credit card rates won't buldge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'here you are only allowed to take $10,000 from a qualified retirement account tax free otherwise you have to take a loan '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bulge*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they budged ....the limits were taken off so they could charge over 30% now'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no empire stays on top forever ....we priced ourselves out of the game'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard somewhere that with fractional reserve lending? we wouldonly need to take out 6-8% of all of the money the banks hold of ours to bring the banks down '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of people charging high interest on two week loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the FED would just print more money hand it to the FDIC and things would go as usual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'payday loans or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah paycheck loans......they fall into a loophole'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the percentage would depend on the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, tomorrow when you go buy your bread and 50USD a point, well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a pound*'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but with a lender of last resort (the fed), even everybody were to withdraw their savings, the banks can still survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'payday loans are at 15%, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '15%?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think they are way over 15% '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I agree, Sonshi. That would be a revolution, alright. But no one who loves her wii or xbox will ever do that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'padday lenders are much less regulated here and the interest rates are a hell of alot more than 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that... per year or per month or...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I saw and add once that showed that if you borrowed 300 they would give you 235'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's like a reverse-repo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 255 rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's 15%'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'payday and title loans are terrible, reacing 600% if not paid immediately in some places where they are out of control'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland have imposed a 48%-APR maximum loan rate, including fees and brokerage'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the APR is higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I've heard of cases where the annual interest exceeds the loan itself... if they didn't borrow that money, next time they wouldn't need to, in a sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lol why even have a rule.....thats called loansharking'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought it was alot more'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with the rules you don't get your kneecaps broken, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they really needed the money, the government should have some sort of aid. One way or another, there should not be a good reason to take those loans'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'might as well since your now a slave at those rates'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe if all the poor people were to request interviews with their congressmen, they'd get a sense of what's going on...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you are on welfare in aust you can borrow $500 every 6 months but they have to pay it back '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how likely it is that their situation would improve in 6 months...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given our enemployment rate not much .. those that don't have jobs are either not looking or unemployable '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, how often do american congressmen meet their voters for interviews, I wonder...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get invited to town halls about twice a year '
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not too often...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'regular people have zero access here'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if you need to see them to get something fixed, you might have to wait half a year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zero?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you can write a letter but unless you stalk them or donate you dont see them'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'congress is a high level you would do better with city councils here to get stuff fixed'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't they see their people regularly or something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so I guess the state version of congressmen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for aid and stuff?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its low level city ......'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone can make appointments with congressmen, but nobody does'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i met clinton it cost me nothing but knowing the right people but it cost everyone else $500 for a handshake'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... so they hold regular sessions, help their voters get welfare, etc.?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'welfare is usually done at the county level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would say they normally try and eliminate welfare and benefits its more about business benefits and pork barreling atthe congressional level'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd go to the county assistance office'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the harship cases can go to county officials to get them to pull the right levers, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hardship'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no levers it all preset either you qualify or you dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardship cases shouldn't need any officials or levers'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we have general relief for the most destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I still see tons of beggars around here though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting on welfare is generally pretty easy'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'staying on it is harder, though'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you have to be willing to commit perjury if you dont qualify'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're starting with the presumption of qualifying, for this exercise ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I stated getting on welfare, not commiting welfare fraud'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's welfare... why are there so many beggars, I wonder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of beggars are mental cases, tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, some do sound like that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some have different opinions of begging vs welfare, when it comes to pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is difficult to follow the "Get a job, you bum" advice when nobody is hiring bums...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in college there was a well known beggar that would change his clothes and had a car it was his job...that being said welfare isnt really much money and if you only get general relief its about $500 per month'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm from buffalo, NY...they have bums/beggars as well...I'd always posited that if I was homeless, I'd start walking south...if you're gonna be homeless, might as well be warm & homeless in miami :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yep find the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh. Hard to find a place to stay in the city with that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they still exist in buffalo, so mental illness is the easy explanation ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're not familiar, Buffalo, NY is known for its winters'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might be dangerous to walk across long stretches of deserted roads though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fall in a ditch or something and no one will find you until it's too late'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not more dangerous than being in the city where they'll step around you in the gutter'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're invisible anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they might not perceive it that way...'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always feels safer when there are more people around, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that can give you a sore neck from looking over your shoulder, though :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see :) I'll just be happy to make it to T4'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other words when you are training your primary stats, you train int first, if you have trains left, you train wis, and if you have trains left you train luck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have many spellups that don't last 2 ticks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't pick a channel for the life of me :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'interesting.  The Fed and other intragovernmental holdings (Medicare, Social Security, etc) owns a combined total of $6.328 trillion of the US's $15.xx trillion debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that hong kong or some city like that was built by opium dealer's and the dirty money they brought in, and one day china decided that city was sufficiently rich, and them and all of their associates disappeared - do you think this is a strategy used in other palces too?  maybe by other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't get what the strategy is'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just curious how politics works, letting corruption think they're gettinga way with what they're doin gettin all fancy rich and then poof, they're usurped and the removers have a nice castle to  inhabit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they strategize over centuries some of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nice to be able to see what direction people are moving the future into, since nature is unforseeable for the most part'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it interests me you know, people make life hard for themselves more than the world did, the world is more fair than people most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't know... what makes you think the chinese wanted the british to sell opium to the smugglers?  and regarding the world being fair, i don't see how it could be... in what sense is the world fair?  it's not sentient is it?  is sentience required for fairness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness is a human invention'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'it has no place in nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it likely doesn't occur naturally, true, but nature knows what fair is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'personification is risky'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'always wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fair is generally something that gets expressed when one has a means of comparing what you have to what someone else has.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't prove the world doesn't think, so it's possible, monsanto tries very hard to stop weeds from communicating with terminator seeds as they develop an immune system'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'well, since humans are a part of nature, it would seem that fairness is as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just because something's not made out of our kind of flesh dosen't mean it's impossible that it exists, in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jeez, how can a cafe full of gamers all day long not realize someone died therein?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't want to miss a frag?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did that happen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Teipei.  Estimates put the guy being dead for up to 9 hours before anyone noticed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, that's probably a pretty big problem to try to explain, but we can speculate, like those people walking past that little girls corpse that 2 trucks hit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know someone who goes to a gaming place on Fri nights and sits there till Sun night without moving except for bathroom runs, he is completely oblivious to what is going on about him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'where's that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that many people and that kind of a mean government history and stuff, ultimate authoritarianism loyalty to 1000+ year old inherited families, i guess they live alot differently than most other nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think about it, mass-mind control, mass-media, people so similar adhering to the bunch'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that maybe so, but the easier explanation is that the mind naturally enters a state of altered perception.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that on the news about the little girl, people can be ignorant everywhere, and some places it's just impossible for people to notice when something's wrong, cause there's just so much going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'other places the crook's are the law and themselves both openly, but people can't notice that and just don't see what goes on'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is the classic in NY, NY where the woman was being raped in a courtyard surrounded by apartments and everyone ignored her pleas for help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nobody wants to be the first one to respond'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i been to a casino once or twice in my life, i was astonished by how hypnotized and obsessed looking the people were, they was mean lookin but zombie like, it was like being in an alien zoo - i imagine if i were in enough of those zoo's i wouldn't be as obsessed over the details like one zombie not moving for 9 hours during my trip there - the staff though should have noticed, they're making sure nobody's cheating'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'staff's zombies too'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I wonder what it's like in Druzil's head'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people have died at gaming tables :) They have sat so long that their hearts could not manage to pump the blood through their systems.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of crooks, did you know that in the US someone is actually making enough money in income that he's paying 102% in income taxes each year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would think'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'speaking of idiots, someone doesn't understand how a progressive tax system works'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nah, you don't have to make much money to do that... just get behind on taxes and lose your job'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tax is a percent and its less than a 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nevertheless, that's what he's paid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that nots income tax that back taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I tried reading the article on that, it was confusing,  I think he is paying over 100% of TAXABLE income, not TOTAL income.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'same thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again thats impossible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, it's horrible, one of the many epidemics that you can't not see - like i'm having a cigarette now, called number 7 brand (like the 7 deadly sins, with a symbolic family crest on it's cover, why do i smoke?  the world is damn depressing and while debating how long i have to deal with it and myself i'm shortening that time frame, if i seen a future to live for i wouldn't have smoked)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh well thats amy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i mean AMT'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you pay a minimum tax to prevent you from not paying anything by exploiting tax loopholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people probably go through similar thinking in their habits'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'to do that he is paying less than a person who makes 75k'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the job of a real government that wasn't installed by evil would always ultimately be for the people to govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way of knowing how long that's not the way things were though, there's supposedly 7000 year old next to diamond in density stone blocks in guatemala that were cut with laser precision, so it could be a long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad it seems that anyone who strives to govern (and doesnt get assassinated) seem to be self serving and evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to wonder how it all got started though, i keep things like the bible in mind, anything really's possible to me if it can be used to lead to more understanding of a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you note that after the development of the feudal system nothing new has come, then there is no way that people will ever be allowed to govern themselves. Let me point out what Camus said in The Revel, the oppressed rises against the oppressor and overthrows him, then they proceed to replace him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book ever "a higher court" it was supposed to be a fictional book about a trial to determine the existence of god and it turned out to be religious diatribe '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so many factual errors it was painful to read and it was only 225 pages'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am going to go out on a limb and claim that there is no way that humans will ever peacefully coexist. Such notion violates their hardwired need to prove that theirs is the best genes. The quest for the alpha male (or female) is what keeps humans in bondage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i notice that while wondering about aljazeera's article on this Stasi organization's 113 kilometres, with over 5% destroyed in 1989 of files on German civilian's oppressed by them after they replaced the Nazi's - like what you're saying anaristos, the opressed replace the oppressor'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it bothers me, if people don't like to feel some way then they shouldn't make others feel that way, otherwise where's their shield against justice?  are all governments built to defend them from that ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about when human bodies are just accessories worn by semi-intelligent robots?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its like child abuse if you abuse something too long you create people that want to oppress back'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't even watch the video, but i looked up what is stasi and read the review's, it fit into my prior assumptions before ever hearing about them - that's alright to me even if it is horrible, it tells me that my mind isn't always telling me lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there will always be an oppressor that will generate a rebellion, the rebels will prevail and become the new oppressors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree that humans are not capable of peaceful co-existence.....its never happened in history and life is a competition for resources that some jut can not resist trying to "win"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'history documentaries on evil empires and people should be contrasting their ideological factors that lead to the physical actions of the masses to the dissimilarities of today, or otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise what good are historians and teachers?  they're not teaching the knowledge that makes matter happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can define an evil empire as the other empire :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never heard of an empire declaring itself evil, though they commonly declare their rivals so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'recorded history, i notice that alot of cultures possibly have great perversions of their free histories before empire dominated them, replacing their savage way's with the domesticated animals that they are today - ie they are inaccurate'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'history is written by the winners, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one good way to keep the bad guy in his new palace is to make his conquered future think he saved them isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are using words like "evil" and "bad" as absolutes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people believe the confederate's were america's good army, for instance, but alot of the reality is possibly lost of the whole of the stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, the other guys are the bad guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US condemned the Nazis, and rightly so, but they did it while stuffing their citizens in concentration camps.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'while completely wrong the japanese internment has very little in common with nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't see what's good about the thing's i talk about, except that they're not hidden, ignorance doesn't set people free here'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well that degree is huge'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just because they didn't gas the interned Japanese doesn't mean that the purpose was not the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'losing a business or home vs being tortured and murdered by millions thats pretty extremely different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the for instance was the absolute's you probably have in mind, category, those individual instances and possible altercations with reality that the skeptic might consider possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was to isolate a portion of the population based on some bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think the internment was horrible but disenfranchising a population economically is still different that genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was talking more in terms of generalities and trends that those individual shaky points fall into position under often, one being more or less right on some thing than the other, both having their bad sides, etc, but that doesn't mean that in history there wasn't a good culture out there who governed themselves and were content with living respectable lives with their people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think our gov is pretty evil (i can only imagine what we are not privvy too) but i think most people at the top of the world are pretty nasty people ....you dont get there handing out brownies'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla, you are arguing about the methodology and not the purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no-one called that godwin? ucla lost the argument already'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some pieces are needed to fuck that up, and those pieces are ideologies i think, trends of thinking and repeating itself, like how confident the mighty on the world are that they will never become unmighty, they have a proven history that they reference'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i don't even know what you're talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'll use the unabsolutes as pawns in a giant game of chess is what i think, expendables, like your human body with limited thinking android's mentioned earlier (somebody else)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagree....but thats what debates are for'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs people who think in a world where you done everything to erase the truth from peoples minds?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that it is ok to intern people as long as you don't gas them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but will they put pawns on the first rank?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no i am saying that the two are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think comparing the two as equals is incorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I say that it is wrong to intern people, gassing them just make it worse. So they only differ in degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but once again that degree is drastic....to me its like losing a finger or dying a horrible death...both bad but not equal'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Death Spam - botting or no botting?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a difference in degree is just a difference. The underlying act is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is rather like saying that farting is the same thing as blowing up a methane plant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you are defining the act at the place that helps your argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you do after the pivotal act declares the degree, nothing else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that american general being deployed to iraq who went crazy maybe is a result of having a person with a mind in the first (or close to) rank, so most likely yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Majic. They have nothing in common. Farting is a natural act, methane plants are constructs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the act of throwing people in ovens and gassing millions changes it from just "internment"\'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ucla is saying that it is ok to beat someone as long as  you don't beat him to death, for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on this bbc article on south korean 500 million dollar priison warden robot's they mention developing automated discrimination of human behaviour gun turret system's, no human intervention required to kill, machines have no conscience and mind to contend with'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'u can twist it however you need too....but i fail to see where i said any of it was "ok"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just said they are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mayan Lawngnome: 'i concurr'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I apologize, you are saying that interning Japanese is not as bad as what the Nazis did, and I agree. That doesn't mean that the intent wasn't the same. So the acts only defer in degree. Both actions were meant to separate a portion of the population based on some bias. Bias cannot be justified.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree with you more there. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do agree with you that bias is unjustifiable and that the internment camps were a really shitty, stupid thing to do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we already have the equivalent of those robots they are called 'corporations" a mechanism designed to relieve the conscience and liability in name of whatever heinous acts make the most profit'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would agree more with what you just said two'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But with respect to the 'beating' comment -- I would say that assault is still wrong, but that murder is worse. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i would respectfully have to disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, we'll get em good... wait til there's a really heated debate going'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '4chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the beating is the act in question. My point is that both a beating the results in the person continuing to exist and a beating that terminates the person only defer in degree. It is still the same act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in one, you're dead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't change the fact that it was  a beating. It only changes the degree of the beating.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they didn't gas the japanese slightly...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want to focus on what they did or didn't do to the Japanese, that is a different topic. The act in question was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is different from genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But I would say that 'interning people with the deliberate intent to kill them' is different than 'interning people''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not just in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can have genocide without internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sort of like punching someone in the face and shooting him in the face are quite different though they are both attacks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazi camps weren't primarily about interning... they were primarily about the... "final solution"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what i think your trying but i think you have to cut off the action a point (the imprisonment) where they are similar but to me that does not define the two acts....thats just conveniently tailoring the facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what about kicking him when he's down?  that's a good one'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not separating the actions that took place. You use genocide to cover a series of separate actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'put you made the point of intent and thats where i can not agree that the intent was the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the nazis were amateurs. discuss gulag instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the difference between handcuffing someone to restrain him and handcuffing someone so that you can beat him to death.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Many Jews were killed by the Nazis without ever being interned. If you equate internment with genocide, then those particular Jews can't be considered as part of the genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one was about disenfranchising an unpopular culture and the other about extermination of a race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't a difference in degree, because the handcuffing isn't the primary action or intent'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think anyone's saying internment = genocide'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the handcuffing is a collateral act. The primary act is restraint.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think sonshi just said what i was saying in a better way'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But restraint with the intent to murder is imo different than restraint with the intent to restrain.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and genocide was a collateral act, the primary act was internment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, which is why the american situation and the nazi situation was different in quality, not just degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the same thing :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the quality of an entity does not  affect its identity :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the primary intent of the nazi camps was to kill them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the primary reason for the camps wasn't to lock up Jews. That was collateral. The primary intent was to kill them, and in the process drag some work out of the fittest ones.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't see how anyone could argue that they were aimed at interning the jews, and the gassing was just incidental...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again i understand what you are trying to get at anar but you have to cut off the act at a convenient point for your argument which i think is a bit disingenous'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said before, if you want to focus on what happened to the interned in both camps, that's a different topic. My expostulation deals with the internment itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we just wanted to intern them, but gassed a few here and there for kicks...?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but the internment itself had two different intents'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, and have sex with some of the prettier females, then abort the fetuses for study'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they did that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, why were the interned? That is the question. In both camps the reason was the same. The government was biased against the group.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't put it past them...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yes they did '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how they treated the interned is another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all crimes are equal, because the perp judged that the victim was ripe for the crime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one explanation of 'why' -- another explanation is that in one case, they wanted to lock a race up while at war with the country they'd originally started from (wrongly, in almost all cases), while in another case they wanted to lock them up while they figured out better ways to kill them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are not looking at it as I am. I am looking at internment in a formal way. You are grouping objects that seem similar but are not necessarily so. Internment in the name of bias is the same anywhere. My point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well if i take your reasoning i can argue that both were different because one was germany and one was the US....if you only use facts you want and determine where to stop viewing the rest you can make any argument you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But you are also not looking at it as I am. You cannot just say 'This is my argument and my reasoning and I am right and you are wrong.''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what do you mean I can't??'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your mom'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic licks Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you... your... pop!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not adding or subtracting facts. I am looking at internment. The act of sequestering one or more persons for a reason. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im with sonshi, thats what politicians do everyday lol, but what is the topic of debate? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sotura has an "i disagree" spam bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'In this case, both acts were performed for the same reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but you stated yourself that the reason for the internment was a fact to consider and i put forth that those intents were very different'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'arguing about whether the interning of the japanese and jews are different in quality or only in degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I would disagree that both acts were performed for the same reason, because I would consider the intent of the internment to be part of the reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, no. I said that both the US and Germany interned a portion of their population because of  bias. The reason in both cases is the same,  (racial) bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'with that statement I would agree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is all I've ever said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I would consider that the intent is the main reason... no sane country interns people for kicks'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems that stuff most often happens for reasons of racism'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's hardly even the same type of bias either'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I dont think it was bias it was to calm the rest of country after we were bombed .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That would be taking up the topic of whether the actors enjoyed the act. Another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'racism doesnt hurt the cause at least'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think it was a (sadly) popular means to enter the war....its hard to want to kill people that look like the people you lived next door too and knew from the neighborhood'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Excuse me, Ucla? Calm the people after they were bombed? Where the interned Japanese part of the people?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'weren't*'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suspicion of a people that you're mostly at war with, and hate of a people you believe are inferior are also quite different. The first may not even be considered racism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not according to the rest of the country at the time (a sad but true fact)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US was not at war with US citizens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the us has always been at war with US citizens'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Further, German nationals were allowed free rein in this country even after the US went to war in Europe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the underlying cause was racial bias not calming.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are a nation of immigrants and we always single out the newest immigrant to pick on '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'germanic peoples form a large proportion of the US...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, it also makes you look like you're doing something'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's good Majic :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'germany didnt bomb us .... we chose to enter the war and attack them'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I'm serious. a large portion of what the government does is based in the desire to make it look like they ARE doing something. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that too majic....thats part of what i mean by calming the people'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What happened, again in degree, is the same as any other persecution which history has recorded. A portion of the population is unreasonably harmed based on some fictional trait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there were tens of millions of japanese in the US, I doubt internment would even have been an option'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is one reason that more people aren't upset about the TSA, because they feel like 'oh they're keeping us safe and the government is doing their best' (I've heard quite a few people say that)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'however wrong japanese citizens were not the controlling power in the US government and we as a nation have a history of hurting one group of citizens for another group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with that sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, that could have been said about the Jews in Germany, too. So that's not a factor. Other than to say that the harmed is usually the minority.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'too bad they dont understand that the fear is pretty irrational'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazis, on the other hand, were not interning jews because they were primarily afraid that they might be spying on them. It was primarily an extermination thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That may be true, Ucla. They were not the controlling power, but according to the US constitution that is not to be considered when rights are at stake.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i wonder if jews were the minority...they didnt just go after German jews they went after all jews and i bet that the number would outnumber the german population.....they did attack an unpopular disenfranchised group'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that could be the case, but in the case of the Germans it was harder to determine who was  Jew. Not so with the Japanese.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so.... 17 million died in the Holocaust.  Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it also gathered population together in hatred of an enemy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the US citizens interned were not the enemy. They had been attacked, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought it was 6mil?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they were pawns that looked like the enemy ....thats the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope that's not a justification you are giving me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if they are the same then everyone if asked whether they would rather be in a german concentration camp or a japanese internment camp should have no preference....i seriously doubt that would be the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also an enemy that had a pretty wide reputation for sending spies disguised as refugees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, you are discussing the degree and not the act itself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no its what i think is the reason why us citizens of japanese ancestry were interned'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people fear what they don't understand, understanding something absolutely is a hard thing to do, but understanding it not at all can be dangerous - educated people make educated decisions, but people don't seem to be educated much on being their own government instead of those people are required to lead you, and the theory's that drive government's - if those were considered, like saying democracy is every adult member of society having a voice in that government being absent, then there's more unrest, why people invent lies of fairness just so they can walk away from them, and attempt to staple those as realities in minds of their slave's is concerning, it reminds of the devil and his lies, like puff the magic dragon'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no im pointing out that you stating the same is not the case and would be demonstrated by answering that simple question'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if knowledge is power, a wise man with a rifle is less dangerous that a stupid man and a bad teacher telling him who to shoot'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government's hate that though, it's unthinkable to have a world of people who are able to be wise at their own discretion, equal to the 'elite''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'German spies ran rampant in the US. Check the FBI files. But not once did the US declare them persona non grata. They just lived with the spying as "best" they could.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Now, If both Japanese and German US citizens had been interned (oh, and Italians, too). I would have no basis for an argument, would I?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe thats because a german spy is probably white and they didnt point the finger at people who look just like themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, you do get it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i understand what you are trying to say i once again will argue that those two things are not the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was my thesis to begin with.  Both the US and German internment were done because of racial bias.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And I think people will agree with you stated that way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been implicit in my proposition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion, i seen a video on youtube somebody posted on a chat room where some east indian's gave a monkey an ak-47, they were laughing it up at the silly monkey, and then the monkey shot that rifle into the crowd of spectator's - were those wise people with guns and targets that they wisely understand, or tools in a wiser person's game who he let's have their play before sending them off on a job?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think that theory may be true....i personally think the US just did what they thought was popular sentiment because its easy to single out japanese americans from germans'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree there. Also germans have the 'they're like us''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we're largely european. japanese, on the other hand, are the 'other''
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and some of the people in power probably had german ancestry'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a non-absolute perspective on why i think like that, i think you can think, maybe more people should grant that to eachother'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these words are not my intellectual property, they're just spam'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, don't forget that German sympathy in the US was not a minor thing in the US. '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some functions on my computer are written from right to left, which is very unenglish'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i disagreed with your premise that both acts were same and had the same intent thats where i came in'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said, I was speaking of the internment itself, why did it occur. In both cases the motivation was the same. Though, I would be a fool to even consider that they were of the same degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the issue is, that 'the motivation' and 'the reason' could mean 'what are we locking up these people for, what are we going to do with them' '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'another topic altogether.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one reason governments prefer monkey's satisfied with second hand banana's than a jungle where they're at the mercy of the trees too, if everybody seen stuff like that nobody would dare to laugh for very long after they wisened up'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe i am being too technical but i would have a problem with someone saying why "did they occur" ...to me one was to placate the salivating masses as we entered a war and another was to exterminate an entire race'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly, ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you broaden the topic enough, Ucla, you can arrive at the conclusion that they had no similarities. But if you focus on the underlying reason, they. at that level, are the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are people who would argue we knew about pearl harbor and let it occur so we could enter the war'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people often assume conspiracy where there is only incompetence...'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with what the US did afterward, I am afraid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the thing is, that you are narrowing the topic precisely to make it 'the same' and unwilling to accept other peoples widening or narrowing of the tupic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree but i think its intellectually dishonest to stop at the point of "people behind a fence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ape with AK-47! Monkey Business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFG0u_CJN0s disturbing it is, they're africans though, my memory was wrong - at least i'm not racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it has a lot to do with intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you say 'similar' I don't think anyone will disagree w/you there, either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's when you say 'the same', that you run into issues :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is how you get to the truth, Ucla. You use building blocks. You can argue tha,t collaterally, they were different acts. But for them to truly be so they have to have a different source. And it has been shown here that they didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'human actions that result from human thought only differ in degree, since they all result from human though!'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'debate i dont think you arrive at the truth by viewing facts up to the point it stops serving your argument best....thats why i think its intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'exactly sonshi....love is the same as hate....intellectually dishonest'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that video scares me, i mean it is scary right?  on so many level's it's not even funny - but it shows some of my reasoning on why letting people learn to become their own government is the wiser decision in the long run, because once one of those monkey's becomes your master, you don't want that to happen do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It's not a matter of self-service, Ucla. It is a matter of viewing a precise topic. Internment. Not what happen at the internment. But why did the interment happen. It happened because of a biased government, in both cases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people're masters of their children, who owns what should be dealt with democratically for those who value thier lives, only world we have to live on isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i still disagree with that they both just happened because of a "biased" government'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: ''masters of their children'?  how so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to argue about the differences, that is fine. But first you have to define their points of congruence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'are children slaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, they raise their kids to become into the adults that they are, that should be what they're doing, that could be perfected over time, but not with deadly consequences for deviance that aren't deadly in themselves, that's where system's come into play, like orphanages and rehabilitation centres'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Druzil i think a more widely governed society would be better...we pretend to be capitalists but the system is rigged '
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technically, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, which is where you ought to be saying 'similar in origin' or something instead of 'the same', and then you won't have people disagreeing with you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff could be democratically perfected (moving towards instead of away from perfection, they are systems, not individuals) by the more minds that contribute to them than the silence of the most'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, I disagree, Ucla :) I rather only govern myself and have no other govern me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if it has to be screwed up i would rather more people be taken care of then a few being amazingly wealthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are poor, is a rich man making all their decisions the most democratic choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah but if we all feel that way someone might murder you because your a threat...if everyone makes up there own rules it silly'
T3/r6/2012-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things like that turn on the mind radar's, it's questionable and probably not the best choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think its not but i think thats how the US functions right now....to me its sad but true....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all empires fail....we jumped the shark'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no, i wasn't being racist - but that is one way a person could read that, there was an actual monkey there, they call it an ape, and i originally thought it was east indian's in the video, but it was african's -> it was only demonstrating what i mean, people are quick to point fingers at stuff that they think is racism though, i notice alot of people make alot of logical fallacy's because they are afraid to freely express their minds with those judges in their minds, their peers making sure they're politically correct etc, what's correct about politicis?  their job's are like to solve problems with words and take care of their own people before another's, so i apologize if my reasoning piece was morbidly real and taken from that viewpoint instead of the one it was meant to be taken by'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you ever seen a mind lawyer?  sometimes i watch them watching me on the internet, and i wait for their input with baits that i place, and with my affirmed assumption correlated i can detail who i'm discussing with more and more, some people are more keen than others - but most of them are judgemental - that's healthy, but there should be no kind of racism at all assumed just because it -can- be assumed, there are more than one way to see alot of statements'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what is a "mind lawyer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo people who cry racism often are doing like your godwin's law, using the most vulnerable playing card drilled into the mind of people as a defamation against their opponent - it's a signal of defeat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( most people are racists :) )
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know what racism looks like, i see it in alot of places, subtle or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think rascism is still very very prevalent ....'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think its rascist to talk about race freely its when people jump to conclusions with no basis that makes it a real problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking clinically, I would say that racism is natural in the sense that it might be part of hardwiring. That is not an excuse, though, because our intellect can easily override it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and i think that happens all too frequently in the US even from presidential candidates'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'xenophobia might be a hardwired instinct...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'some rascism makes sense ...like migrating to a neighborhood of like people its when people act upon it irrationally to harm others that problems start'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too, i'm on the grounds that every human being has the ability to understand whatever is to be understood if it's given to them and that's not a hardcoded material body thing like some geneticists and eugenicists think, and some racists - i discuss racism and try to figure out some of the mysteries of their understanding for my own benefit of not being faulty in my reasoning, i never joined up with a racist group or anything like that - i checked out some websites to see what kind of people inhabit them, but never found the kind of people i was lookin for'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, whatever the reason, being instinctual is no excuse. We override instinct all the time, otherwise the murder rate would be much, much, higher :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i grew up in a white community mixed with indians, i had alot of confrontations with indians but also some of my best and longest lasting friends were indians, whether or not they hated white people, some of them thought of me as an indian'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist, i just don't see the solution in any single race on earth being beyond the realm of victimization by a similar psychological group of master's of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some seem moreso than other's, but looks can be deceiving and news is a tightly guarded industry, like superbowl t-shirts'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know i can call that, reptillian shapeshifter paradigm?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, they came from outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they inhabit human body life programs and rule your world, the great tyrants of mankind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen a single nation on earth where the government doesn't fuck over their people in favour of making a few fat calf's fatter, that's what i mean, they're psychologically a race of their own, they wear all kinds of human skin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't be racist because they're members of my race too, your race, everybody's race has them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah thats just greed and i think overly greedy people have an inclination to power and politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just greed and there's the angry people at the casino, and the people not noticing the man not moving for 9 hours hogging a possible money maker'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dehumanization and greed are different things, one can be used as a leash to receive the other though'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'greed is a natural animal drive, you could argue that plants have it also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might be part of the reason why racial bias exists, though racial bias is a human construct. The actual drive is the establishment of the alpha pair.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might even argued that racial bias is also natural construct if you expand "race" to mean shared dna. So dogs hate cats because their dna differ.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but why do dogs like humans?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'That is not always true'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the expansion of the definition might not work :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I have a dog that loves my cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I realize that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there must be something less fundamental than DNA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: '(just had to pitch in my 2 cents there)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'quite acceptable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I just sqeezed out some DNA today...just sayin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's keep it clean, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen national geographic video of baby birds who just ate pretending that they didn't so they can get more food - animal drive maybe while they're just adolescents, that's where the master parents are supposed to be setting them straight isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mamma bird only has a beak for one citizen'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government like a bird metaphor is pretty cool, i wonder if lao tzu had stuff like that in mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in nature, Druzil, animals will do just about anything to prove that they are superior to others of their kind. Again, I am thinking that this is because the alpha pair must be established.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so greed is a natural drive. The problem is that the human ability to redirect input may pervert natural drives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when a dog analyses a situation, it does not dissemble, it comes to a pure conclusion so he kills his enemy to establish supremacy. Humans avoid this and in the act of avoidance perpetrate acts that are cause the same result but only indirectly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dogs don't think in such a way that they can claim that they had other intent. Humans spend an enormous amount of time pretending that they mean something else when they act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure they can, when they're stalking their duck in the reeds slowly, do they show their intent of killing that duck or keep it hidden trying to appear as a non-dog object until within striking distance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, more to the point is the reason why they are hunting the duck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the duck gets away but the dog thinks it wasn't sure that duck knew that dog was coming to kill it, it might not reveal it's aggression because it learned to be a patient hunter'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can do similar things with biscuits or if they do something that annoys you, they do it for that reason sometimes - they know better, but they're testing you - my dog has proven to be more than a mindless object on several occasions'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dog whisperer guy on national geographic is pretty good with dog's, it's amazing how he read's their psychology's like people and deals with them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I simply accept the fact that dogs can think, after that it is pretty easy to communicate with them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some dogs like punishment and pain, their earliest memories are torment, they are like some people - makes them mean and see people as the enemy, but they know what they can get away with through training - like people learn the same way'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and they're tasty!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Dirkdiggler on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I mean...um...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, same here'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was extra in that movie though...i was in the beginning bar scene....the roommate of my college gf (diane mizota) was one of the dancers'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't like punishment and pain but they go after it and do what causes it anyways, because they're traumatized just like people, they are denying that nature that you figured they couldn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i watched boogie nights at least 10 tens'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'DID SOMEBODY SAY BOOGIE NIGHTS?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever seen a dog go after a porcupine when his master said sick em, and he kept on going at it and at it and didn't learn but followed his master's words, then you have a mean master who should have learned a lesson and a dog that's showing an example of loyalty and self-denial'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'obviously my fav movie!  and Fear and Loathing'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my car tag says "DIRK" as well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher snorts a bunch on blow
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have a dog who's an idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah I was an extra in that movie the roommate of my gf in college is Diane Mizota and she was a dancer in that movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she was fook yu in austin powers and on G4'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'awesome!!!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i am in the opening bar scene when roller girl goes by me and my buddy are at the bar in the back corner drinking a beer'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'woot paul thomas anderson movies rule'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the master reflects alot of conflicts in the world though , are their dogs idiots too?  do you work for their purposes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty good comparison really, soldiers and dogs of war, attacking the various porcupines set up in array against them because the masters told them to, but knew what the end result would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the porcupines was just lookin for somewhere to scratch it's back though, and they did a fine job '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'porn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's just a similarity between a dog and his master and a soldier and his master, sometimes the master's aren't very good at their jobs at all, like almost all the time when not dealing with dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I've seen boogie nights with the directors commentary and then again with the cast's commentary...not to mention the 20 times I've seen it on DVD'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'with I could say I was in the movie...the part where I was hookin up the the girls '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whats the redhead chicks name?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'does makeup commericials'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'julianne moore?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'redhead milf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'julianne moore'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'in the big lebowski also'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'you should punch yourself for not knowing she is soooooo faptastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i was glad to see that chick (from weird science and big lebowski) made an apperance on Californication as some crazy sex milf...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'not talking about Julianne'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, guys, Julianne Moore leaves me cold...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'red head?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski is the best'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'heather graham?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'not heather graham'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea i WAS talkin about her now I was talkin about the weird science chick who was in King Pin (not big leboyski my bad)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maude lebowski'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lets combine our debates...boogie nights vs dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and GO!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Kelly LeBrock?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love them both'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i personally find dogs more attractive'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'my westies are awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'shes not a red head though and wasint in king pin'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She was hot :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ok who is the chick from the Weird science SERIES'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'duke and duchess wear rule pants'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he said a red head that in king pin and weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'kelly lebrock is right as the chick from weird science'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod ucal'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/02/03/edmonton-oilsands-monitoring-new-system.html most people would see this and think wow, for that kind of money foresure something's being done - but they don't realize that to erect a single oil rig costs around 250 million dollar's after other fee's for location contracts, and 50 million dollars a year would be easily swallowed up by the people with a million 250 million dollar per year investments set up, and possibly be padding their pockets at the same time - if alberta's citizens cared about their water it would be a community service like the citizens in weyburn saskatchewan noticing their water is toxic and things are dead on the surface after the CO2 capture project from north dakota got installed, but the government here made sure that that wasn't the real reason that those things are dead and the water is trash'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who once was married to Stephen Segal :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of criticizms i don't see on the news much'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'simple community service was ignored in saskatchewan, the free solution '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alberta's so 50 million dollars better, you bet their water is valuable compared to the demand for export on their tarsands'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ass, 50 million a year is nothing to them, it's like coca cola gathering donations to save polar bears in the arctic, 2 million bucks over 5 years, 5 rigs = 2.2 billion dollars scheduled to happen within that time'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2 million dollar lawyer versus 2.2 billion dollar judge, yep, community service loses again'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'canada = america's hat. make sure you impress everyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legend of heru behutet and the winged disk is my hat of canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check it out, you can almost put the egyptian landmarks onto american continent and have yourself a new look at these mysterious egyptian translators'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'maybe you guys can cook up some magic touque eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's a pretty mean dude, kind of fits the personality profile of the dudes who run american continental nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although he'd make them all look like wimps cause they're worshippin him in the story'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'use the beer money i gave you, you HOSERS!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you are newbie do you get a free SH.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just watched the news tonight and they say that the government declares that some living people are deceased (this is in canada), and they only repented of their slow computer systems to fix the error when some light was shone on their stupidity'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was prettty terrible watching these living people discussing how the government says they're dead, saying they called up the insurance company to claim their death benefits at which point the government piped up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently it's real stuff, seen it right there on the b.c global news i think it was, or maybe it was ctv'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the comedian's mentioning chinese new year speech of losing 5 pounds and learning to play the harmonica, it was one demented night on the news, unfortunately i lack any mind altering substances to make it seem less fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll rent you an "off" button for your tv for 1 usd/day'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'll do it for 1 aud/day - that's a better deal!'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they pay people in canadian prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can buy themselves some chocolate bar's at the end of each month'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every 2 months rent a hooker, what's wrong with that'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that california prison that gets paid 250,000 dollars per inmate per year is pretty insane, sex offenders i think go there, but that's what, 24 people's welfare cheques spent on rehabilitation of a single sex offender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's strange, i watched a documentary on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its all business....the new model is that they want to privatize all the prisons'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'too late...'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there are some supreme court cases involving states that send prisoners to a private prison out of state.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 2500 sex offenders = 250,000 * 2500 625 million dollars a year'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's wrong isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, that's it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how happy of a staff they got '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have some sample prisoners on stage who receive the neccessary public affairs investigation materials that somebody's doing their job and throw the rest in the cellar possibly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you want to get depressed look up the stats on the "war on drugs" ... one the dumbest things America has ever spent money on...no gains and all our infrastructure and education in the crapper'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps thats what they mean when they refer to the "sex industry" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's it, i wouldn't put it beyond them'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A LOT of chest-beating going on at the moment over in the shithole that is the middle east'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think it will be used to throw a lot of issues to the back of the room'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we had a south carolina judge go to prison for taking bribes to give stricter sentences and have more convictions....the private prisons in his state were paying him off'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that oil producing reigon ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oil isn't 'produced', it is simply found.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is a big part of the problem, esp. Saudi'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A whole race of people getting rich off the blood of others based solely on where they pitched their tents'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: ''eh tomato semantics '
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a production to obtain it'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what I have always found amusing is that the US decries the way the Arabs are manipulating the price of oil, but as soon as it goes up, the people in TX raise the price accordingly. None of that "will show them, we'll keep our price reasonable" crap.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada opens up a gold mine in labrador reservation land and the price of gold drops along with the canadian dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good, though I don't see why the CD would drop unless they are floating it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, have you ever introspectively examined your bias against people unlike yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people who don't want kids are known as leeches of society in some places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'not these places'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right, I'm a leech on society.  Because I don't claim breeder benefits, I pay into Social Security like every other person who works.  I'm not on welfare.  I'm paying off my own loans.  Explain to me how I'm a leech again, I think I missed something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is 2012 western world, not some ass-backwards tribal third world shit hole, and/or medieval village.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Well, you borrowed money from the government right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'People on welfare are also borrowing money fro the government.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which I am PAYING. BACK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they are not borrowing a damn thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If someone on welfare gets a job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought you got it from the bank, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat? Welfare is a gift, not a loan...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'and pays taxes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'These welfare whores who never work a damn day, how will they pay any of that back?  They won't.  That's why it's called a handout.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are paying it back right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the places where they desperately need kids aren't the poor places...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taxes are payments for services. Not payments on loans.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the people who don't have kids are an extra burden on the country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Welfare is a service.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'In the event you don't have money, we will give it to you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please explain how childfree people burden society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they grow old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kids are a burden. Single non-parent people are the single most productive people on earth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah?  We pay into social security our whole lives too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and star is pathetic and probably living in his moms basement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I work on drilling rigs in the oilfield.  What do you do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the country quit importing thing's at the rate they could fill up production facilities with their own unemployed citizen's, providing training etc to get them to produce and earn their money that can purchase what they build, then there's some basis for saying you're unemployed cause you're lazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, I'd love to debate more, but when people say stuff like "welfare whores" I just assume they're fat bald jerks like Limbaugh and laugh at them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they wouldnt offer welfare if they didnt want to. besides in my state it goes to the mexicans '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids are why Social Security is going to run out before I retire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise there's one of the main problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i work at mcdonalds and feed fat americans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but countries at half replacement won't be able to support these leeches when they grow old. You savings won't be worth very much because there won't be people making stuff. Unless they move somewhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'I always laugh when people say welfare is so awesome....if its so great why dont we all volunteer...and dont give me some nonsense about ethics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sometimes they dont have legs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US Dept of the Interior pays states for their children :) So low birthrate means less income :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are people legitimately on welfare: recently laid off, disabled people, victims of some of the more damaging crimes. Then there a the lazy shits who should be chained up building roads.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'What state do you live in, Shadowsdie?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ARIZONA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling is missing her calling. Anne Coulter is getting old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Shadow, quick question, who looks after babby when you are working or at school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people would probably be safer if all government workers had to volunteer and still work at a real job during the day or night, and the police force was composed of locals, and the taxes were spent on making those employment opportunities happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Arizona.. Heh, I'm from California. You must be one of those racists that want them all sent "back over the fence".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People should be self-sufficient before having kids. No exceptions for planned pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you study economics you will know that its an accepted fact that that we need some employment it will never be zero.....so once again if some people have to do it and it sucks why villify them instead of the people who rape our economy from the top....its just a deiversion that fools fall for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker is agreeing with that Vakieh person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wanna know who is taking all your money star? rapists murderers etc in prison and jail sucking our tax money away.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what happens if your brother wants to go out and have a life instead of picking up the slack and providing free babysitting service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is what I mean by 'sponging off the family''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah i just learned that ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats the point. if hes not taking care of her hes sleeping'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home some people hire a maid to look after the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus its not free i give him a place to stay  so he doesnt end up in jail'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you let some would be criminal take care of your kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'same issue with illegal immigration nobody wants those jobs and the people that hire illegals are the same rich folk feeding the masses red meat that we need immigration reform to save their jobs.  Its all a diversion to keep us beating on each other thinking we will one day be them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'anyone COULD be a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a tax deduction for the maid levy too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'remember in america... anything is possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'a tax deduction for a maid levy? what are you talking about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know why he WOULD be a criminal. because he CAN be.. i didnt say he ever was.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, there's a tax (levy) on each maid you hire'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'now my daughter father most definitely is a criminal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should just take the kid away from her, before she does something regretful enough to ruin its life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'wow never heard of that were is home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, each foreign maid, but no one in their right mind would hire a local unles you're swimming in cash'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you hatched a loaf with a criminal?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'cant we spend more time attacking the fact that one person who did no more work than anyone else can have a billion dollars...rather than attacking small leeches'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'a class one felon actually running around on the streets while people stealing stuff take his place in prison because he SNITCHES... great public safety?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, no wonder he has money.  I bet he's slinging meth, isn't he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tbh with you, I don't think anyone who believes McD's food is ok should be trusted with the care of another human being...that's just me talking though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Han you saw that. I meant that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves how the "facts" are flying around :>
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'illegality is only one piece of legislation away....remember what is "illegal" is man made'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i hatched a loaf with a dr in a hospital i just used the criminal in the process of getting pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'can we stop using this loaf metaphor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it sounds awkward'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: '17, dirt poor, lives alone, husband a criminal, works at maccas, entrusts child with relatives many hours of the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like the more developed economies, the scandinavian countries, etc, they also throw tens of thousands in cash, credits and subsidies for each kid... because kids profit the economy, really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and not having them is a drain. At least on properly run countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never said my brother had money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'cause he doesnt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so obviously hes not SLINGING meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'use "bun in the oven" instead...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: '...bun on the table'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that one sucks too anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bun in the oven no longer applies.  That loaf was baked already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i never said i was married to her father either'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WAIT - you leave your child with a methhead???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my soon to be husband is actually a military man'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no vak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow every one assumes in the debate channel you know what they say about assuming'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'they make an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'military man == long absenses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Long absences and FREE MONEY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'good you dont deserve a kid with your views. enough said'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'free money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I agree frankly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'money will make everything better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'putting his life on the line is not free thank you. ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I aliased goss to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I definitely would not be a good parent.  As soon as the little shit loaf screamed too much I would probably punt it out the window.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos wonders what everyone here's been smoking...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again i never said he was STILL in the army'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or flush it down the toilet with the rest of the shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'If these kids had half a brain they'd be dangerous...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing serious is ever said on debate channel.  Honestly, we should start up an online petition to have it renamed to the Troll channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'our money is based on free money....ask a banker...Motto: Bring it in at 3%, lend it at 6% and golf course by 7....lending your own money back to you is not work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can tell you wouldnt be a good parent star. your fat and still live with your mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'military minded man, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i meant to say our country is based on free mony'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i can be dangerous. but i have a daughter and im not allowed to be.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'easy, boys and girls, we debate ideas here, we attack each other on gossip and imm :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't have to be bitter because you're sterile... there are solutions being worked out to things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well we were told by rumour to bring it here so whatever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl, I am not fat and I don't live with my mom, but keep trying :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'smiles at sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were told by same to stop the personal attacks, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok let's see how many people can say an absolutely unreal statement and how stubborn they are that what they are saying is based on truth and not just tv news and hearsay'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'obviously nobody here believes that you can take care of your child since  you can't afford yourself.you are event not adult,legally'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Even though it is debate, where cursing and attacking *ideas* is ok, personal attacks are a no mudwide.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not by an im but ive been being attacked this WHOLE time and only I MYSELF have to stop the personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take semicloning, for instance...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry though, I got my tubes tied last December, I won't be foisting any emotionally damaged children on the world :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is an Imm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whatever i guess i should be used to it. thats how life is anyways'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am still trying to get a handle on the actual premise being debated :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's self-inflicted.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have been attacking your ideas - not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never said to stop personal attacks he said to take it to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calling Starling fat and a basement neckbeard is not attacking Starlings ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess there's a good case to be made that some people aren't suited to have kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, feel free to think that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'he said stop personal attacks and take the rest to debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'She*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been true, Sonshi. The planet would not survive otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'll try to have more one day to make up for that terrible loss to society!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you see anaristos starling decided that im a poor parent because im 17 and have a daughter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'but I'm tired of battling facts with people who have none...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SHE*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother had me when she was 17...I appreciate the life and all, but it was not a smart decision on her part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rumour is a well-enough-adjusted babe that she's not too worried about sounding mannish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vakieh, it isn't income that makes a parent bad or good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its text not the way she sounds how am i supposed to know gender?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'VAK IS CORRECT.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my mother is a wonderful poor woman that i wouldnt change for the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My mother is just now with her second marriage, second set of kids, with a uni degree and a steady, solid income - what she *should* have done in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if they had been paying attention, the knife in your back would have stopped at job and school. they're stuck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that said, there are more bad parents among the population of low-income parents.  Just like there are more fat, lazy people among regular fastfoodies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but didnt but look how well off she is now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '17 is TOO YOUNG to be responsible for raising kids, period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and probably happy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that Hans is a FAT lie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos hrmphs for no apparent reason.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you hate your mom?vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there are no absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'My mother had me at 17. I am the second.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and kids around the wourld are 12 and having children and just because we are in america its wrong?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I appreciate the hard work she put in, but I wish she had waited'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i think not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I had it a LOT harder due to the shitty start'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'maybe you guys, and your incapability to imaging having children, should leave it at that. YOU being incapable does NOT mean others would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'how does one calculate that there are more bad parents in the low income bracket?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Thankfully I was smart enough to pull myself out of public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'whats wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its HARDER yes but if life was always easy i wouldnt have been smart enough to get a job before my 40 year old father decided to abandon me for the second time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's not just the age though but a whole host of factors, including the father being a criminal, the mother having both a job and school, the babby being left in the care of relatives all day... in other circumstances having a baby at 17 might be perfectly fine, but here, we're not saying it is necessarily a wrong thing to have done but that there may have been a better way to spend your remaining teenage years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Public school is fine. Public school when your mother can't afford books is not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school ....nothing wrong with public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your education is your own responsibility anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you calculate it by believing CPS when they say they protect kids and in the meanwhile, CPS are the very people beating raping and auctioning the kids they take....off in vegas....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'once again gwyn is right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '? I didnt need to buy books in public school...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually for the first few years of your life you have no choice in education'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'hay I've seen 14 year old with babys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's true. But once out of HS, your education is your problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i went to public school and then college and then got a law degree from a top 20 law school and a masters ....all public schools until law school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter was reading and doing math in the fourth grade level...at 5! you think loq income has more to do with raising children than being there for them and allowing them to show you what they are capable of....wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except if your smart like me tell them screw you and do it yourself. the right way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, if you're smart you use the pill or get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or, you know, just don't fuck around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i plan and helping my daughter do the same so if she ever gets emotionally attacked like such she can defend herself better. or maybe even do better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you go use "the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and tell me how your body ends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a teen thing.  They are pathologically incapable of making good decisions in the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't forget the the IUD is also an option :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i had a friend have an abortion and then wanted to commit suicide for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling is upset at not having kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I did for a while, and it didn't end up knocked up :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly gwyn!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did studies on this back around the turn of the century or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'one of my main points'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which century?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yes, I am so upset that I didn't shit a loaf that I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh I'm here bro an her dads the reason I went to jail a h '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and Hanslanda obviously doesnt have many friends or know people who love their children....thats sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing is just odd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and the iud can misshapen your uterus so if you plan on children in the future you become sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the y2k omigodweregonnadie! century'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unable to hold a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'took the bun out of the oven, Starling. Pay attention to our metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Riddle me this - if you had the choice to put your kid "on hold" for 10 years - would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You have all these grim ideas, why not just wear a god dam condom?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I completely regret not having to change shit-filled diapers or get woken up at all hours of the morning.  I am kicking myself for the $250,000 dollars per brat I will be able to spend on myself instead.  WOE IS ME, what have I done?  What. have. I. done???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i taught rich kids who were just as uneducated as my low income ones. you always knew who had parental support at home. its not income based in the least. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i thank everyone who is making sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'or not go around having sex all willy-nilly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow you really are a heartless person'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'By all means go have sex, it's a wonderful thing. Just wear a god dam condom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with eureka'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i just thought you had a stick up your butt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, having kids are not for everyone, however, I can't understand your lack of respect for the process since it led to you being here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would like an answer to that q so I can decide whether to write you off or not - please - if you could put your kid on hold for 10 years, would you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or you could give birth to a black/blue, or blonde/blue child, and have it taken at the hospital before you even get to hold it, and get railroaded out of your rights....all for the sake of a greenback dollar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'being childless is a great ideology to have, but attacking others for wanting children is going overboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually the sex was not good and condoms arent 100%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they found that responsible teens are no less likely to insist on condoms or take pills or otherwise make the good decisions they will claim they'd choose prior to getting into the heat of the moment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i agree with havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Condoms are more effective than no condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree, not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Condoms are dam near effective and you need to find a better guy then. :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, that came out wrong.  No more likely than the bad-decision-making teens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did find a better guy you ppl know him as ironclad. i know him as the love of my life who has always been there we just didnt figure it out until recently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wierd thing occured: Me and my gf had sex for the first time like a month ago and guess what.. SHE DIDN'T END UP PREGNENT! Woah, must of got lucky that the condom worked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, that's interesting, Starling. Though one could infer many things from "childfree". For instance, dumping the neonate into the garbage dump would render you childfree but not childless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Anaristos, you are wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Shadowsdie, did you meet him on this mud?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A childfree would never shit the loaf in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No actually shes right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no ive known him since i was 3'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am point out that "child free"  is not such a great label.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is there to be no answer? Is that question hitting too hard? Would you rather have had a kid at 27 than 17???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my wife and I are trying to have a baby ...been trying for two months...no protection and no baby.....you spend most of your life trying not to get pregnant and then when you want to its not as simple as you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'only the convenient questions are being answered today'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt know when i want a child all i know is i love the one i have and have no problem with having her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a related study about nonspecific-agegroup good-decision-making people was made, umm, last year that showed that even though most people would claim they'd do the right thing, when it came time to do the right thing they would instead do the safer or more popular thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Childfree simply means you don't want kids, no way, no how, and that you will do anything to prevent having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'it's like that simpsons episode where they say "The children are our future, unless we stop them now" or something like that...  gotta understand children are a necessity and if you choose to be "childfree" thats great, I don't plan to have children either, but I don't think other people are idiots for wanting children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you really haven't thought reality through at all, then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'infact we are trying to have another'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'including dumping the error into the garbage dump.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so....if any one of you people saw an event, like a kid bailing over a bench onto cement, and their parent was not nearby. would you help the child? or walk away and bitch about how well people care for them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i would have never waited that long to have kids vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ugh, shit another loaf for ME to pay for?!?!?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and like ucla said its not as easy when you want it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'in which case maybe YOUR mothers should have used condoms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '2 kids. On a McD's wage, where you have no money to buy a salad instead of the crap they have on offer???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i never said anything star you wouldve never known about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'It makes me want to go have kids with my gf and get welfare just to mess with you guys. xD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'im also a socialist so i dont care about the "taxpayers paying for children" stuff you've been spewing hate against'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'for you to pay for lol......'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are making the responsible adult in me so fucking angry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think all this child planning just warps the natural order of things. The ecosystem takes care of itself, it doesn't need humans to "fine tune" it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, no, in that case you are a breeder and a murderer.  That person is NOT childfree AT ALL.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'like i said again....i am not on any government program but public school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You are 17 and trying to have another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you still go to school?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'without freedom.. we wouldnt have public schools..... or mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why not? because im irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree about the charges, Starling. Still, the person would be free of children, hence child free.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'all this mention of mcdonalds makes me wanna go out to grab some mcdonalds'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Star will be happy to know that what once was less than a penny per dollar for the well being of low income families and handicapped people....have become a tenth of that, and the rest is going into GOP pockets, which poison your air and your water as well as ours....but '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know me too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I never said that, nice try though. Why are you trying to have a 2nd child when you barely make ends meet with 1 child?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of us people, Gwyn?  Fully threequarters of the world will say with decided vehemence that they'd help that kid, but if they ever got into that situation and had to decide to help or not they would not help.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well its more like we are gonna wait but if it happens it happens and so far it hasnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of that is just the "it's someone else's problem" indifference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But that's not what 'childfree' means, even if that person is 'free of children'.  They are not childfree, because they would have bred.  Anyone who breeds, regardless of what happens after breeding is, by definition, not childfree.  I suggest you look it up on google, since you clearly don't understand the meaning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would bet i pay a lot more taxes than starling ..... should i whine because your not paying the same amount? its relative.  Children use resources and so do people with no children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the poor are probably better prepared to deal with whats happening and might just be YOUR saviors when your stockmarket hits the fan for real and you have no camping gear to survive with'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Hans I think gender is important in this study, the males-helping-strange-children bias is an entirely new debate topic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You are the reason people hate teen mothers. You are the reason people yell out "Wear a fucking condom you scag" to young parents pushing prams. Your attempts at another child are selfish acts which will haunt your first and any subsequent child for the Rest. Of. Their. Lives. Stop now, if you love your child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, gender isn't important.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect, breeding children is the natural way. Clinically speaking, that is why we are alive, to perpetuate the (human) race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why not just have 20 kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mention, when your little toddler niece or nephew, wanders out the door while their parents are sleeping, 9 times out of 10 it will be a POOR person that rescues them out of the snow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gwynyfar, I wouldn't care if it was less than a penny a dollar.  I would resent that penny, because that's multiple hundreds I lose to poor-ass loaf shitters.  I could buy a lot of stuff with that money, but I can't because irresponsible folks just have to fuck without protection and dump the results on society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wow okay so that was just a test to see how many would turn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Excuse me if I take offense at that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'seriously the loaf thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Did I turn?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'gwyn that's only because that tends to happen more often in poor neighbourhoods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Praetor, it is because people used to have 20 kids that  we are here today. The reason we don't have that many today is because attrition is down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Vekih you missed the important parts of this debate hon.,...Shadowsdie is getting an education and tkaes care of her child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldnt describe it as turning so much as good intentioned advice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'this protection/condom thing is ridiculous...tons of children created even with protection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, I can use some of my other terms'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you hear her McD's talk? She can't afford a fucking $2 salad, why could she afford another kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'lets hear it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah ironclads mom was using a condom and was on the pill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and that's why I rescued a baby in the snow at 2 am in a rich suburb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Zane, but you have to admit the number is lower than without :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i love the assumption that people with children use more resources...again its all relative. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Crotch dropping, twatwaffle, fucktrophy, the list goes on :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'i think starling is not tolerant as uncla,because he has to pay back a big loan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm just suggesting that if you cannot afford like with one child, perhaps you should wait before having a second child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'afford life*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and i was just testing '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My loans are not THAT big, but nonetheless I am paying them, I'm not going to dump it on somebody else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i came out of law school owing 200k'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'mirely a test on my own part in my mad little world'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a big population issue before the dirty 30's wasn't it?  that and poverty, then after ww2 they had big baby boom again, i wonder if they're gonna repeat that same thing or not - it just seems likely based on what i read/heard on tv and the internet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that is inside my head'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I worked my way through school so I owe zip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh shit, I go to school and the government gives me FAFSA and I don't have to pay that back. Am I a leach now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'same here anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People with kids DO use more resources.  More electricity, more fuel shuttling the brats around, diapers in the landfill, more food, more water... need I go on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'notice Praetor how many people even caught on to that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'my daughter ate better, had all the functional clothing she needs, from swimsuits that fit right and comfortably, to winter gear that's really warm, was way better off without CPS'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'people with kids also create more resources too.... e.g., the kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i said about morality, doesn't take much morality to cause those problems in the past, .. and going into the future - but i know of some good people who raised responsible adults and weren't rich, they're often elderly now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just think that most of the hate that is spewed about people is a diversion from the things that truly hurt society....the people in control cheat us of billions and we are brainwashed to worry about the couple million lost on trivial stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'd just like to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'think about the kids who get taken by cps because certain people dump babys off or are bad parents and they end up in group homes like my brother'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if you are interested in going after people who are NOT good for children, I recommend reading Kidjacked.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well in stars eyes YES YOURE A LEECH not in mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I go to college and the government gives me 600 a month because I make less than a certain magical number. Does this make me a leach for utilizing the services available to me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no they dont....go to a rich neighborhood and go to a poor neighborhood and really look at resource consumption ....what do you think rich people do with that money? they spend to access resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one is forcing you not to return some of the money :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'cps stopped taking abused kids in some states, because healthy happy children bring a highrer buck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i couldnt even APPLY to FAFSA because my father RAN from the government LEECHING off tax payers so he wouldnt have to pay childsupport'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'He wasnt unhappy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The idea there, Praetor, is that it's better to spend that money sending you to school, in the hopes that you make something of yourself and pay taxes later, than to spend that money on your welfare/drug treatments/incarcetation/etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But I've gotten like 3600 from the government for my 2 years in college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And I'm not expected to pay that back.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'People like starling just decided his mother was unfit.... SURE SHES A LITTLE SLOW but not unfit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'But isn't that what welfare is?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, welfare isn't that at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give you that money in hopes you make somethign of yourself and pay taxes later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'what it is is nothing compared to what it was before Bush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you sure you didn't mean FISA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, FAFSA.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Praetor.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BUT IT GOES back to taxpayers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who also pay welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Welfare just keeps them from starving to death, they don't go on to better themselves, they just keep loaf shitting and sponging.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'yes praetor that is the goal of it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its FAFSA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'used to be you could get a leg up, wasn't costing taxpayers half as much as a war where the people fighting it are getting fed about as well as welfare families do right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'childfree - What I earn is mine. What my parents gave me is also mine. No way in hell I'll give anything to the next generation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Just because Welfare is shown in a different light, it is the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'FAFSA is the financial aid thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There should be time limits for all non-disability welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling that last comment prooves to me that you dont understand welfare or economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'They give me JUST enough to survive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the welfare system here is that they continue to give you money so long as you prove that you are attempting to find work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, the biggest walfare check goes to the Armed Forces. What they spend makes welfare a penny ante game.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Think about how much taxpayers money you use just arguing online?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'no attempt to find employment = no welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anaristos is right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Actually in Cailfornia it is 6 months.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you get 200'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there is limits in place vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How am I using taxpayer money arguing online?  Taxpayers aren't paying for this internet connection, gas and oil customers are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'And you work 80 hours a month, or 20 hours a week.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'california and texas made over 4 billion in 2007, kidnapping babies for resale'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'in pa you get 5 years total....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'tell me again where your taxes are going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did New York make planning 9/11?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Source, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of thinkin about tax payer money talking online, think about the drop in the bucket of your own nation's resources exploited by greedy people to cost you money at a multitude of the cost they provide your resources to other governments of rich men like them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Bush get for letting the terrorists win?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Praetor.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'welfare is a necessary evil ...its a well discussed economic issue people are brainwashed about our ability to have 100% employment despite the fact its never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the tax from EVERY DOLLAR of that oil and gas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How much did Obama get for faking Osama's death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '5 years of support/working for cps/working for family rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'FEDEAL TAX MIND YOU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'dead senator...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is all just a nothing compared to how much is sent elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the internet relies on technologies developed through generations of public (and private) spending. Like most things.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Shadowsdie, that funds environmental concerns and other services, supposedly.  The taxes don't pay for this internet connection.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'initial installation and procuration is the most effort, the rest is greasing that in as many ways as possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'exactly you just said SUPPOSEDLY'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre defending something you are not even SURE of'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money the customers spend on oil and gas do, since that money funds the energy company, which funds the drilling company, which funds the oilfield services company.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar, how did Cali & Texas make over 4 billion "kidnapping babies for resale"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats what they tell you is it not? so you have how much of an education?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'the fact that we have internet is based on the work of tons of people who we did not pay.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's not the same as 'tax dollars', though I wouldn't expect a highschool dropout to know the difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was tought not to believe something i cannot see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Then you cannot believe in air.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'aw shit, stuff's getting personal up in here!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'didnt al gore create the internet!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'lol sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'whos to say i dont belive in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and whos to say i do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet mathematics was invented by somebody interested in abstract thought and solving problem's, not by a rich man and his money - computers are machines that mainly use math'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you were taught to not believe in what you can't see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And clearly, not taught to question what you were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we should talk taxes starling.....i have a feeling you lose that conversation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money just results in lazy abstract thinkers finding more and more abstract ways to make itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and did i ever tell you i believe in air?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Therefore air does not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, math was very definitely thought up by a filthy rich person in ancient times.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you told me you believe in everything the government tells you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'crickets....crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'debate The government is incapable of lying.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please find that quote'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'caesar's money and moses money (and before moses in the old testament) was thought up by rich people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so if an infection comes and they tell you its only safe under water are you gonna jump in and hold your breath?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after they learned how to count, sometime before their first paso's were invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all scientific and religious disciplines arose from filthy rich people growing bored enough to start worrying about less-important things in their lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i wasnt taught not to question what i was taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because i was also taught its okay to sleep around. and i didnt do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'double negative hurts my eyes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and im not saying my parents taught me because i learn from all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do yourself a favor and pay no mind to these nitwits'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Best advice you've gotten all night, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm hoping they learn something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think science comes from rich people with time to kill....religion in my opinion came from ancient empires that needed to scare the crap out of the people they conquered hundreds of miles away'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just like ive learned that i love argue for the meer fact that its better than learning in school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You didn't sleep around?  I think the little screamer in the crib is proof against that. ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sleeping around strengthens the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'first off i dont have a crib.. its called a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar thanks god Starling can't have children.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'religion = old politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'omg she called its something other than a loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'second off i slept with one person. thats not sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Why can't Starling have chldren?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you dont need to sleep around to get pregnant...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its sterile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it said so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'because evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'she said she had her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'IT SAID IT GOT FIXED'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh I didn't know that was something to "celebrate" on a mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'it? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'the republicans wont allow it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'marriage is flawed and has no relevance to anything so long as homosexuals are not allowed to partake in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I got sterilized back in December.  No reason to risk any accidents and having to deal with getting an abortion, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im not meaning caps'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'and i can introduce her to someone who has gotten pregnant after having her tubes tied'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if thinks babies are 'it's' than it is too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'like i said evolution selected against him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre sleeping around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Oh, that is a logical argument there, Gwynyfar.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could save on the op and not sleep with people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because you said "ACCIDENTS"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling you know you cant get someone pregnant by masturbating alone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think of how money is named it can seem strange too, cents = scents, dollar's = doll ours, or dole ours grain supply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dole&sa=U&ei=DhguT7reNc_JiQKxrYDRCg&ved=0CC8QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNEquzTnH23CT3hMHr4FTOUaLP9qIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_supply_to_the_city_of_Rome , hundred = hun dread ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnic_Empire , thousand = thou sand , metaphor maybe, grain of sand in an hourglass, spiritual place called egypt in gospel - bucks = bronco or bull, riding them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it really is except for my syntax'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so and accident must mean you like to have sex with many people? this is a question honest not an attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'you meant to have a baby not accident?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure it seems retarded, but smelling the bucks and dollar's with scents, maybe it's not all accidental'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I mean an accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwynyfar you do not agree with me, therefor you are now a shemale.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plural or not you still inferred it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's easier to have a happy ending if you're given a little bit of privacy with your little cup and a few videos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'whats a shemale?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and that didnt answer my question'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar finishes her steak sandwich....
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to the dictionary a shemale is a male with boobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares if I've slept around?  I sure as hell didn't shit any loaves, because I was smart enough to guard against that contingency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the lamesman terms anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'like bob from fight club?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well you were getting on my case just now for sleep around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or evolution selected against you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'which means youre a hypocrit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong at all with sleeping around if you're smart about it.  Everything wrong with it if you aren't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a shemale is either a biologically male entity gets a boob job or a biologically female entity has her vagina sewn up and a penis attached.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who named it understood what they had in mind while naming it, should be alright to consider the same - lots is built on top of their schemes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'sleeping around can lead to spreading diseases...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the problem with being on earth Starling, is that you can only control your own destiny, and most times, people with a controlling others drama, have had no choice in their own lives for soem reason, and are usually off base'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except tying tubs still spreads diseases'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not the sleeping around that is the problem, dearie.  It's the sleeping around without protection, which is what you did, which is why you now have a loaf to parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'plus i have a younger cousin whos father got her tubs tied BEFORE she was born'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe just anti-life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn, that girl is lucky.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so they have a 30 year old a 27 year old and an 8 year old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'fathers dont get tubes tied..  probably why that one fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'hahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she had one lover. get your story straight Starling...you remind me more of a say no to crack sign than anything about responsible sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Starling, what if you want to have children some day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I won't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'no, men just get their tube cut :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'they get there the tubes to there testicles CUT actually'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '... so yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'love doctors won't operate on the unborn anyways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Er, 30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '31 in May :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they do too Hans'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'You might change your mind, then what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and an unborn baby will grab a doctors fingerwith full grip'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'haven't seen this channel this active in ages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not going to change your mind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'OMG ITS CHARLEY SHEEN RUUUUUUN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do you think you're going to change mine?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'starling is clever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'adopt?  plenty of kids out there who can use a family'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I do not think I will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so is satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doctors do not perform sex-related operations on children too young to have a sense of sexual identity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yes they do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I can say is that I've considered the question of kids many times, over many years and age ranges.  The decision is always the same - HELL FUCKING NO.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unfortunately most of the kids that end up in adoption, were illegally taken from their femilies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'in fact they do all the time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'in certain countries they dont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, more people regret having kids than regret not having them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just google 'I hate being a mom' or 'I wish I never had kids', and enjoy the schadenfreude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you said Cali & Texas make over 4 billion off kidnapping children for resale. Can you please elaborate on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'How many people go to the internet to /praise/ though?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you google kidjacked, or Nancy Schaefer on Alex Jones'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She can't elaborate on shit, that extreme of an accusation requires a source, and she has not provided one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'most of the kids were illegally taken?  you got a reference for that? i dont buy it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I mean, google how many people hate being /anything/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar goes afk to tend to the dogs
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I have to go look at some nutjobs? :/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe in those states, but not BY the state'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't do it, it's a trap!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it's alot bigger than that Modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can you explain it on here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm guessing CPS took your neglected kids away and you're pissed off that you can no longer collect benefits on them?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the dead senator who did investigations, the dead children, the parents who lost everything for no reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but 'they're watching'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alterior meanings of the syllables of stock market too are interesting to me, stalk = soup base or plant part, mark et there's some extra terrestrial or alien (foreigner concordance), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khet_%28game%29 game's played around it following naming of egyptian figure khet syllable, mare = horse, mar = disfigure, mark it = teachers job on your quiz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic Stoicism (Greek N#OON9N:N9ON<OO) is a school of Hellenistic philosophy founded in Athens by Zeno of Citium in the early 3rd century BC. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'starling? your statements show that you are not even readin what anyone says, and you go off half cocked alot....why dont you try paying attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves Seneca :)
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do you really think the government could keep such a thing under wraps and ger away with it?  Please, we couldn't even keep the Russians out of the atomic bomb project.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'GUBment took my BAby!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Modi you've said too much "they're" going to kill you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Soviets, not the Russians :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea , probably'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't even keep the secret alien city on the outskirts of Colorado Springs a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha gubment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nor could they keep the 9/11 self destruction a secret.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or the fake killing of Osama'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Or any religion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they won't bite, Praetor :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Always worth a shot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you are a sad bunch of people when it comes down to it. which is probably why you have so much fiction to use as a reason to attack people with. really sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar plays the world's smallest violin.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos sobs in misery.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we laugh in the face of your bumbling amateurism.  Hah. Hah, hah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oo. music, gogo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'To be quite honest, we are all here on a saturday night playing a text game. We are all sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I had a ball last night :) no sense in overdoing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its sex night! go procreate!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could be at some meat market getting wasted :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i blame it on mother nature for melting all the beautiful snow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's only sad if you didn't choose it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im just killing time until ironclad gets home from work '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I blame it on your car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you cant affored it, get gubment money!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I want a new cellphone, think the government will give me a bailout or welfare for that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is there a bslap social?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she wouldn't have had to come up with new sources of drinking water if we didn't have so many kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'for real, do it! not kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, where does he 'work' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'why? u want to b slapped?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Drakoth slaps Gwynyfar.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I admit you guys are hilarious tonight :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'no I want you kids to wake up and see life on lifes terms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'did you know that in jersey welfare gives you a cellphone withh 200 minutes on it for free every month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait.. If I have a kid they will give me money and I can use that money for a new cell phone! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a program that will give poor people free cellphones, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, it is kinda obvious at this point why everyone comes on here to kill mobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister came back from jersey with one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'to spy on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if you want texting its a mere 15 dollars a month'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Minutes? I want an iPhone 4S'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'its not just jersey shadowsdie'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'But Praetor, more likely, if the child is blue eyed, it will be taken off your breast in the birthing room and you may or may not see it again'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'its New Jersey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pennsylvannia has a cell phone program too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't know New Jersey was still around...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'many states have the program'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its part of the war on drugs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Off my breast? :S Do guys breastfeed where you live? Where exactly do you live, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Praetor  they give you a cheapy phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think Gwyn makes for a much better Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'hopefully it floats away with california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I breast feed all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually Anaristos i lived in NJ 8 years its WAY better than AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is AZ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'isn't that on Showtime?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ana, do you make sure the kids get enough first?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Wait... I am blonde hair blue eyed and my mom makes like 250k a year.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'a useless desert?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'yeah the west coastish states are a mess'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Do you think I was kidnapped at birth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Hanslanda. It's all for me. MWAHAHA!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'been to jersey once. didn't like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'was she a single/low income parent?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'My daughter is blonde hair blue eyed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see how the war on drugs could be contributarily solved through my mind, and it doesn't involve use of excessive force and twists of money - it would probably cost less - but i think in processes and not ends, i see some likely ends that makes me concerned over problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'praetor, no but i do think you were dropped on your head one too many times after birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Nope, my mom is wealthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'with the way my family thinks they probably bought me from Texas'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see what I mean?  Gwyn's not as spammy as Druzil is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'GASP! Really, Drakoth? Think the government will give me SSI for being disabled?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like nasa saying on national geographic channel that madagascar will be underwater within 150 years at current sea level risings due to most likely human pollution, but their forsaking of alternative outcomes missing proposals for solution that are more like my processes, they're based on things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the war on drugs is perpetuated because police departments receive money for busting small time users. the more busts, the more money they get'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well ill be dead in 150 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '+/- 75'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar starts drawiing the conclusion that some people are not capable of dealing with the truth 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody can contribute to them, problem solution = has bugs in it, so lets fix the bugs, there's two ways of looking at bugs, like some dictators look at any opposition and how some programmers look at logic errors'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar watched them make unknown idiots of themselves...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can deal with the truth if I get to define it :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody's selling kids in Tex-ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one would prefer that problem remains in his program the other would consider it his program if he left it there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'BET'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Gwyn, you claim some crazy ass stuff and yet you point me to some people I have never heard of to explain it to me. Meaning you don't even understand it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because who in their right mind would buy a damn Texan kid???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then that will be the only state that doesn't have it, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And WHO would buy a kid anyway?  Unless you want to cook it and eat it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet it's not some happy cow from California.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'If you want a kid, why not just knock up some 17 year old? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know, but child  trafficking is big business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pigs are cheaper, and prob taste better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Texas, took SO MANY children illegally, the kids were becoming homeless into foster care, and being sold on auction blocks in Vegas, to high buck business men for icky reasons. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I actually do like babies.  Cooked up in a nice spicy vindaloo sauce with potatoes, they're quite tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they were also investigated and BUSTED hunting children among other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'funny praetor.you are so humorous'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people like to see errors revealed so they can fix them, others prefer that some errors are never seen, even though they see that they're mostly disasterous and repetition is inevitable of the same destruction, but that might be their program, they're just more my understanding of evil then -> this is dealing with the minds of the people who orchestrate humanicide and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if any actually exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I'm glad you appreciate me, Socker. I try very hard, I really do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Women who wanted to be child free but panicked when their clock expired are ripe  for child purchase :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There must be a big demand for kids in Asian restaurants or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and ended up forcing foster parents to take a minimum of 5 children, by law, no matter how many bedrooms their homes had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Even better a 13 more gullible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe there wouldn't be so many unwanted kids of all teenage girls had the option to be on birth control'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, furthermore, teenage girls often have no fuckin clue just how much work a baby actually is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'once again Starling you mossed the part, these are NOT unwanted children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's no link.  No entity mandates a minimum number of fosters.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Can I get a link to this law, Gwyn? I'd prefer a .gov link.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't blame the hormones, Majic. That's what they are for :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there were a fair few teen mothers in the high school i would have gone to, and a fair number of them where the grandmother actually took over caring for the kid so the teen would get a chance to 'be a kid''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Drop me a link then. All federal and state laws are kept under .gov domains, I'd like to see a link to this law.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'finger krypteria'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sorry...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to understand them, then there's less mystery about the world's problems - doing that requires following whatever catches your interest i figure, and being self-critical over what leads you to believe what you do, and if you'r enot sure what you believe what is missing from that understanding?  maybe god's ways are beyond finding out, but what i call god i don't like to be my enemy, and friends don't mock friends soul's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you think the government will expose themselves at their own game huh Praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Ah so you have no proof?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i never had a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I do have proof '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'everyone told me how different it would be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'be a kind now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you had a chance to be a kid...you didn't take it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want to know the difference? i have a little baby girl. and i live with ironclad instead of people who only care about themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some kids get no chance....cps makes child porn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's a smart young woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so CPS Child Porn Services?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, but one is always responsible  for one's choices, don't pass the buck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the rest of you should travel and see some world...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did get to travel to spain'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so getting raped at age 4 is a choice Anaristos? wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"It's different when it's your own"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did NOT have a chance to be a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you made the choice of being at the location where the rape took place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, you did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i did not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just fucked it away, and now you're a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, home in your bed and daddy comes in. you made a choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait, are you saying you got pregnant at 4?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'So if a girl is walking to school at 9am and she get's raped, it is her fault'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a piano would have fallen on your head it also would have been a consequence of your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'after your mom was handcuffed....you guys are nutz...maybe you should all sign up for SSI now and avoid the rush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and you dont need to know why because its none of your damn business.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are confusing responsibility for one's acts with things like "fault"/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's my damn business if I'm the one footing the bill'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have nothing to do with each other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for having that kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you have no idea what kind of childhood i had'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'all you need to know is i didnt have one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you have no idea what kind of childhood I had.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Starling: we already figured out you're not footing the bill for her child, but you are totally footing the bill for crooked family court and children being raped is apparently ok with you...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. so protecting my older sister instead of letting her get raped and killed is having a childhood? im sorry i wasnt selfish. im sorry i care about other people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't the military frown on out of wedlock children?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone had a childhood -- it may not have conformed to a certain ideal, and it may even have been a completely shitty childhood, but everyone has had one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana i was talking to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Gwynyfar, because if I had my way, those trashy breeders would have all been sterilized.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these people are loony...and they think we are....nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you miss the point, again. Try to understand what being responsible for self actions mean.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the rapist is responsible for raping you, you are responsible for being at the scene of the rape, so is he, incidentally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont care if ive missed your point its a lame one. youre telling me to be selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was so selfish my sister would be on the street'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if i was selfish id know a lot of DEAD people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'sorry im not being selfish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not lame, if you understand where your responsibility lies then you can deal with things like misplaced guilt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh i see what anaristos is saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i understand that but i also understand that its better to have a heart than not to have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You never answered the question as to whether the military will provide benefits for your kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your daughter keeps your sister off the street?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i keep my sister off the street and alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my sister is 2 1/2 years older than me and if it wasnt for me she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if welfare hadnt taken care of my mother when i was an infant because my dad decided he didnt want responsibility of the person he married she would be dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe she should have been responsible and not had kids either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are misusing the word "responsible".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so what all of you supposed ADULTS are emplying is that i should be a lowlife selfish CUNT that deserves the best and should leave EVERYONE including those who help me behind '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'responsibility is just the acceptance of one's choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, that's what you're inferring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'even if they got me where i am? be it a dr or a lawyer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the other stuff is just added meaning which doesn't really bear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or a mcdonalds lackey...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well what you emplied is that you should be set and have a good income to have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WELL SHE DID '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Please type define:responsible into google'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You SHOULD be set and have a good income before breeding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'funny thing is, in countries where a village full of people are allowed to do what they love and bring it to the table, (clothes, foods, gardens, carpentry) people are more relaxed, family values, self worth in each member of the tribe/village, everyone is healthy and happy and this selfish lying competitive conversation is moot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so im a lackey. at least i have a job. at least im paying for peaople to survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well my mother did but you just called her irrisponsible?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Why Starling, so your kids can have everything but the love and attention they need?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling - if everyone was *set* and had a good income before having kids, the human race would have died before the pyramids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said your mom was on welfare... ?  Did you not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in order for one to make a point, Quadrapus, one has to constraint meaning. The word "responsible" can have varied meanings, but as I use it it mens the acknowledgement of one's choices. I state that you cannot assign responsibility (i.e. ownership) of your choices to someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because my father left her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because he took her to somewhere foreign'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Then don't say she has it wrong, make the definition you are using clear'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because hes JUST LIKE YOU a selfish jerk.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was clear from what I said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is nothing wrong with needing a hand, only something wrong with people who get angry and mean to people who do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am not being mean. just saying. our DNA picks a path to survive. if people having kids before thinking about it works, then that is the path the DNA takes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'our neightbors house burned to the ground, ignited the house next to it, me and my roomates did everything from makign sure they had what they needed to helping them find somewhere to live'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you want to get angry get angry at YOUR government that is using YOUR taxdollars to support ILLIGALS and rejecting their own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how it works, Ohm. Frankly, if thinking was involved in procreation we wouldn't be here today :) Or, rather, nature didn't take the chance that we would screw it up by thinking about it, so procreation is an instinct.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'this makes most of this irrelevent. the DNA survives and carries on. all we can do is whine about it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'or for america to be america....I got more love and had more fun with mexicans than any american in northern california'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'you can burn your parents in the fireplace'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'emote agrees with gwynyfar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are entitled fo feel that way :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos understands. everyone on the planet is here because somewhere up the line, someone had sex before thinking about haveing kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that doesn't make it an universal law :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How do you know they did it without thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mine waited till they were ready, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because most people don't think.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not to mantion the fact that I'd wager real money on the fact that not a single one of you would carry 20 buckets of rocks up the hill for your wine growing daddies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but ohm is meaning your parents, grandparents, etc. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What the fuck does that even mean, Gwynyfar?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'only 3 thinking on this channel today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the human race needs that idiotic instinct to survive. let's have sex becaue it feels good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is correct, Ohm. We can even postulate that the reason people think so much about whether to have kids or not is because the planet is becoming overcrowded. It is a fact that after major wars or catastrophes the birth rate goes up dramatically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know my parents were ready, but I'm damn-sure if you go back 3-4 generations you'll get at least one accident.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'is english your second language Starling? If so I can translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, that idiotic instinct is going to overpopulate the planet and end us all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Something about pushing rocks up a hill for some wine growers?  And this has to do with what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if sex didn't feel good, we would not exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'Your idiotic instinct might....mine is preserving forest land so my grnadkids have a better chance of breathing without disastrous results.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it won't, Starling. You are an example why that is not true. You have no drive to have children. But I bet you that if something terrible happened and you became a part of the few left on this planet you would be dropping them like rabbits :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except instead of preserving forest land, forest land is being destroyed to make all the paper trash that your kids are consuming.  Way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats why there is a such thing as cloth diapers right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  You'd lose that bet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So forest land is being destroyed to grow the cotton that''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'is used to make the cloth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling might go all terminator and take the rest of humanity out :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ana would win because NO one is on your side star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, but loaf shitting is not 'green', it's the exact opposite.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ohm i think youre right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ok starling does indeed not speak english....next!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hand , han 'ed, han dynasty, leviathan, levi at han, levi (tax) and israelite priesthood, Kao-tsu is the posthumous title given to Liu Chi, the founder of the Former Han dynasty. Little is known of his early years (indeed, it is not certain whether his name was Liu Chi or Liu Pang). He was born a commoner and was one of only two commoners to become emperors of China. Part of his youth was spent as a peasant, but he managed to receive some education. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/han-kao-tsu#ixzz1lOM4xGDT -> i also find interesting, i'm not sure of nothing but the sounds words make often slip the mind, han also sounds similar to some egyptian naming of current mythology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'go shit an actual loaf of bread star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'holy wall of text batman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, don't forget the forest land that is being destroyed to strip-mine more coal to supply the increased electricity that your kids consume.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tell me how it goes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am confident that you would become  pregnant. Though, it is possible that there is some structural reason why you don't have the will to procreate in which case that would be fine if you didn't. Would keep the gene pool healthy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know why i looked it up, just came to mind so i investigated a little bit, seeing what i could piece together in simile, not meaning anything offensive by any of it, just curious about origins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus boggles at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'What the fuck are you on dude?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not on anything. I am drinking water.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Got it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I found the structural defect, then'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole point of being green is to benefit humanity in the long term. I see no point in it otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'that will be illegal soon enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'just google legally kidnapped. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you obviously don't think that subconsciously people don't remove themselves from the gene pool? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'get a clue, and we'll discuss things after you have one'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I wouldn't help rebuild the species.  I'd just enjoy having relatively few fuckwits around as I lived out the rest of my days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are all interconnected, I theorize that if we examined most of those than don't procreate we would find that had they, the pool would have suffered.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Debate without sources is like 2 kids flinging mud and shit at each other - everyone ends up dirty, and leave others to clean up the mess.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: '.. star uses correct punctuation probably becaue theyre arogant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Whoa, being literate is now arrogant? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm sure you're quite humble then. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you mean your own kind Starling...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie 'even the rain' from spain or mexico or bolivia or all 3 is interesting look at privatization of water resource, i watched it on superchannel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i didnt type that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cisco and ebert had negative review of it from what i seen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it magically appeared?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, fuck cisco and ebert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i walked away for a sec and my bro wrote it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'siskel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is 'my kind'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i thought all in all it was an ok movie, this is going on the assumption that nobody was harmed by the film crew and they had good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who knows, Starling? How about a hint?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'whatever you said about fuckwits.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am curious how you get paid to review movies, and paid quite well'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought siskel was dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Multiplaying, eh Shadows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, yeah, by that I meant teenage breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well i do bore easily of repeating things Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with teenage breeders, per se, Starling. I bet your grand^8mother was around 12 or 13 when she first got pregnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad there are more than one of you...then I won't feel the slightest bad about leaving you on your own.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm damn sure mine wasn't. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I use correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization because I don't want to look like a fucking idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and yet you do, more than ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the profanity does that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too late.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd that Starling would care what we think of her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Teen parents are universally a bad thing. Whatever good may come of it, in ALL cases, EVERYwhere, EVERYtime, the net effect is a bad one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after all these years :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, she was in her 20's, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Vakieh on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we see teen parents as a bad thing. our DNA is seeing it as survival'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contrary to popular belief, a hundred years ago the age of first childbirth was not really anywhere near 12-13 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I would rather be called an idiot for my opinions than for shitting out a loaf I can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And then dumping the cost of it on the military, which will probably provide benefits for it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if it nothing was ever meant to be then nothing would ever happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's propaganda, Vakieh. The teens is the age the human race is geared to have children. Why do you think the body is flooded with so many hormones? Be design, that is the optimun time for mating since the human male peaks sexually at 18.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you're a loaf....I'm sorry your mom couldn't get an abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And who pays for those benefits?  Oh, right, I do, because I pay taxes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and if nothing ever happens. nothing would ever be'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't peaked yet...still getting better'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not all mothers can eat their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Where did you learn that Shadowsdie, Bullshit Buddhism 101?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a teenager who is responsible enough to have kids, and I'll show you someone who is lying about their age.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'physiologically, late teens and through the 20s are best'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wouldn never eat my baby shes just too darn cute with her little fat cheeks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos is right. i thought otherwise until someone showed me the logic. look at how the DNA survies, or else it goes extinct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's smarter than you Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would never eat it either, it's probably pumped full of meth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does responsibility have to do with anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no responsibility hormone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe but not on my part.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that may also explain your "condition"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am not talking hormones - if you want to live like an animal does, go to the zoo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that makes no sense. humans are animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my life may have been a little better at the zoo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sitting in a cage flinging poo at passersby?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are animals, don't you know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'having an education and a job gives her one up on your king of the hill game guys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have critical, rational thought, which for those of us who don't live on semantics means we are different to animals.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'id get meals 3 times a day. entertainment. i could stare at the weird humanoids that wander buy.. pee in public without getting arrested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'humans are brilliant animals,so they can survive from the nature and be the winner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY WAIT .. That almost sounds like jail and prison'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'most people never exercise critical or rational thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which is where you probably belong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least them you won't shit any more loaves for the state to provide for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I say those people are acting like animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah at least id be safe from your horrible unoffensive insults'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all that computing capacity is barely able to cope with the demands of the body chemistry, Vakieh. Body chemistry has its on "rationality".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '625000000 = the amount of money spent on 2,500 reforming sex offenders in california in a year, which is 14*2500 welfare recipients yearly wages, whether they don't want to work or not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know, no internet in a jail cell'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is because humans are animals. we are no better or no worse than any other animal on the planet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ACTUALLY the zoo is actually gov't funded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen that on that documentary i mentioned yesterday, it's still curious to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'state anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you want to believe that, go ahead - I have genetically programmed desires I override with rational decision-making on a daily basis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm done responding to ignorant little boys who treat females like this, especially moms, of any age. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nods in agreement with Gwynyfar and Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Gwynyfar's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is all well and good. but that in no way makes us gods among other animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh noez, don't call us on our bullshit, moos are saints, haven't you heard?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone doesn't deserve respect automatically for being a mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'these are the very guys who will end up beating their gf or wife. and blaming the women for getting hit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'humans are the least intelligent of the animals...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey moos, how about logging offline and parenting your kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speak for yourself!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its totally the poor dogs fault the human beat the living spit out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'actually these are probably the people who act this way because they are not able to get a woman'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know, The Most Important Job In The World?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'HEY HOW ABOUT ITS ALMOST MIDNIGHT AND WE ARE GOOD PARENTS SO THEY ARE SLEEPING'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not a matter of belief, Vakieh. It's a matter of fact. You can say "hey, I am a teenager and I am not supposed to have kids, so  I won't", fine. But you better find a way to sublimate all the demands the hormones in your body are placing on you or you are going to become neurotic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Hey im a teenager and its not politically correct to have children. But by golly i did it anyways!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing "not supposed to" about having kids in your teens'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm a great mom and I don't need millions of dollars to do that....and I invented the insulin cooler and the blood sugar wrist monitor. what have you done?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, that's what the pill is for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey - I did my fair share of stupid shit as a teen - but I used a condom for the parts that required it, and guess what? No kids!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You invented the insulin cooler? Source or gtfo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good for you, you are a teen moo that the state will subsidize.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the pill doesn't handle the generated hormones, the pill fakes pregnancy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'glad you have no kids you 3, you're not cut out to be parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one of the experiments they showed was showing provocative material to the patient sex offender released to them from prison, while strapping a monitor around his penis and observing for signs of arousal while exposed to the material's'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wife was still a teenager when she was my wife and the mother of my children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, so if you're on the pill, you can act on your urges without burdening society (or YOURSELF) with the unaffordable loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to determine whether what gets him off is more normal or not, apparently alot of the people there aren't involved in such training, opting to not try to reach the outside instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and my mother was 17 when she had me, the second of 4.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Good for me! IM SO PROUD OF ME IF I COULD CLONE MYSELF ID HUG ME!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, we should encourage teens to masturbate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well Gwynyfar, at least we agree that I'm not fit to be a parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh, "condoms don't protect the heart!"  lol they gave us those stickers in middle school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As I said, the minute the little brat did something I didn't want it to, I'd flush it down the toilet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Somebody like that does not need to have kids :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, any teen that wants to masturbate me...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'also...condoms suck :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'tHE MINUTE IT grew YOU WOULD FLUSH THE POOR LIFE DOWN THE TOILET.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope, but they sure do protect the uterus, at least moreso than going bare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anaristos is on his way to the priesthood :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but i hate everyone on walfare taking my tax money so yea....everyone else can use condoms!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Shadowsdie person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'compare to have a baby,majic's suggestion is reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one man had himself castrated in attempts of appealing to the outside that he is ok to be released, it was a twisted documentary, curious system they got anyways - i don't think it should cost that much though, efficiency maybe isn't their goal'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Like i said ONCE AGAIN FOR THE FIFTY ITH ISH TIME IN A ROW..... IRONCLAD WAS A CONDOM and PILL BABy ooops.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmm roast beef and gouda ... god i love welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your right hand doesn't get you diseased, doesn't get you pregnant, and doesn't break your heart.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil must be so pleased :-) His channel is getting its biggest traffic in YEARS! :-P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'state castration is cruel and unusual punishment, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'looks like she shoudlve gone the last stretch?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Gwynyfar's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'im surprised anyone uses the right hand anymore...what with the mouse being used by that hand'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'my heart wasnt broken!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'it can Majic, go touch a food counter in northern cal, 9 out of 10 you catch flesh-eating strep'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, we can stream internet porn now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, he was an oops, all right.  "Oh me, oh my, the birth control must have FAILED!  I can't explain it, I'm sure it had nothing to do with me skipping doses.  OOOOOOOOOOPS."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'didn't you know that one uses the "opposite" hand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im left handed...but i still use the right'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'it was filled with the undying love of my daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '9 out of 10 eh? Wow, there must be no population left there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not my channel, what i talk about mostly has no other place is all, this channel's off by default so it's more ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you get preggers while your partner is wearing a condom and you are on the pill, I  would suggest an abortion or adoption, whichever way you swing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Quit using odds as if you understood what they meant :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'its a petrie dish'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ironclad besides the fact that shes a fucked up bitch and doesnt care'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'his mom i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'shes a selfish low life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'i'm starting to think you guys are those guys who get turned on by pissing women off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I do know someone who got pregnant two years after the husband had a vasectomy. No birth control is 100% if you're sexually active. But ... it will greatly reduce the number of children.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'EW'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'so you're a teen moo who also had the kid via oopsing the father, who probably didn't want to have a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I learned about those in cali too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im a teen moo? i coulda sworn i was human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'BESIDES THE FACT that he did'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It IS possible for a woman to get pregnant two years after her husband has a vasectomy.  And the reason doesn't necessarily have to do with the effectiveness of vasectomies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'YAY I'm a teen!!! woo that's like Magic!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am the opposite of turned on right now. I am sad for all the kids who have to deal with the same issues I did, in a society that FUCKING DIDN'T LEARN from the mistakes of the previous generations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he wants me to take him back but every time you hit enter it reminds me of why i wont'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it was his kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, his kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the majority of the oopses after vasectomy are cuz the guy didn't bother with the follow-up tests, but occasionally it will repair itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this one was a self-repair, nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know this might come as a shock, but that is why people have sex, to have kids. Regardless of what they claim is the reason. Nature has the last laugh :) 'Yeah, let them think that they are just doing it for fun, but every year I catch a bunch of them anyway :)"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'our bodies can self-repair a vasectomy? our DNA is crafty...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, I don't have sex to have kids.  Speak for yourself. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agrees with Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, it's rare but happens. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and never EVER believe any man who says he's had a vasectomy....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually you do.. thats what youre programmed to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Define sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do agree with that, Gwynyfar, you need to ask for documentation on that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does dna have to say about anal? Eh? Eeeeeh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Sahdowsdie. Let's put it this way, you can't have kids if you don't have sex. If you have sex there is always the chance you will have kids. That's good enough to keep the human race going. While  it might not happen individually, it will certainly happen statistically.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I don't believe documentation either...might work...might not/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do gay guys have sex to have kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a girl can get pregnant from anal. the sperm are might swimmers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you wouldnt do it if it didnt feel good. you just decided you didnt want little chumposoraus like yourself running about'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You make the mistake of thinking that all sex is capable of generating kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure ohm, that's where we get politicians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Damn right I decided that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'a hermaphrodite can get his wife pregnant AND menstruate :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'have to get them from somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, Abe. Let's not go that route. I don't want a serious debate :) It's saturday.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed anaristos so im just another statistic and im mighty fine with that dern ider right ther'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, even if birth control fails, which IT WON't if you take it properly, there is STILL a backup method to an accident.  It's called ABORTION.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'look up bonobo chimps.....sex (hetero and homo) as exchange...evolution has changed so that sex has multiple functions but nature wants us to do it to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes, a gay man can get a woman pregnant.  Just ask Edward II.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm quite serious, you made a statement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or Julius Casear.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if the heart beats its alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nature doesn't want squat. Nature has no desire.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the heart beats by the time you figure out youre pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know you did, but I don't have the inclination to get into it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you have no head and a beating heart, are you alive?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'd abort that shit anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'SPEAK OF THE DEVIL THE BABYS DAD HAS JUST MESSAGED ME ON FACEBOOK'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow shadowside is ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha sure...coming from the person that actually thinks he overrides evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'WAIT STARLING ARE YOU SURE YOURE NOT ACTUALLY HIM?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why the fuck would I message you on fakebook?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I am not ignorant.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah. starling would not do that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But thats okay think what you wnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spamming caps sure makes you look that way :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy Starling, you know that. Is there an appropriate saying "don't wrap your pussy around crazy" for Starling's case?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Im not meaning to its just happening'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You mean you can't even figure out if you hit your caps lock key?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Vakieh, but the Anthropomorphism of nature helps discuss it without getting into technical details.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have a tendency to hit it when im done typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vakieh - don't stick your dick in crazy?  I don't know, won't be any brats sluicing forth from my nethers anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Giving totally incorrect implications to the accident of natural selection / mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if you believe in faerie tales, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did say "statistically" didn't I? That's all that needs to be said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'has a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what would end this debate real quick? Double qps. Lets get some of that, imms.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as to guy people, Abe (I will say this, reluctantly), they must be insane :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the only thing that would end this debate is the enlightenment and healing of a few of the debators :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree, I would say double qps would do it better,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't need to be enlightened, thank you very much :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Vakieh.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think evolution will do it but it might take 50 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, Gwynyfar, because I won't be sluicing any loaves, I will not have to heal ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evolution in 50 years...wow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'skipped a few bio classes, did we?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it peculiar that you use such derogatory terms, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you dont have to have pre-med / biology degrees (like me) to understand that joke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'your ideas and the way you rant about things that have already been proven otherwise.....makes me think you were emotionally cut off at an early age'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'evolution ... is not something that applies to an individual human :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe lol you dont even understand what i was talking about but please continue'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe Starling has a great hatred for the human race. seeing as how humans act, i cannot blame her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'try saying "I have never been pregnant" instead "I haven't dropped a loaf".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I do hate people in general, yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Star Fish.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Now why would I say that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'when some of the debaters are dead in 50 years without kids that would be an evolutionary choice.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, are we glag you have withdrawn from the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe she has been pregnant, but had someone remove her loaf before she dropped it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i nodded at a star fish evidently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thanks Starling heartily.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i guess im stupid huh abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that would be a subject to broach....wow Vakieh...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting theory, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite, ucla...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But it's so much more amusing to say I've never sluiced a fucktrophy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders' reactions are priceless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'they just rip a new one for everyone...they lose their power after a while'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Starling, just go donate your eggs'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the point is that your choice of words reflects your position on the subject. I will take a chance and say that you have a negative attitude about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, shitting out a kid rips you a new one or two ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Just to piss off Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I prefer to make love to corpses I find here on mudd....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Quad.  I find that kind of thing to be morally repugnant.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A few mates and I donated sperm once. I may have some genetic spawn running around somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are 1% children better than 99% children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not better off I'd say'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, no. Someone stop her!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. they are just richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think in vitro fertilization and that bullshit should be illegal, also'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '1% children have food clothing video games......99% children have food clothing video games and love....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you are unable to get knocked up, I think your biology is trying to tell you something!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I figure people with the wherewithall to try and get preggers THAT hard deserve kids. As opposed to "he said he like my dress" one-night-poppers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Vakieh thats what i wanna do!  I feel my DNA is too special to let waste...i need to donate sperm but no banks here in NC...you must live out west'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I like the package with the love in it myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, that was close, Starling. I could imagine the clinic going code red and invaded by the CDC after your deposit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But no, they won't adopt a kid.  They want a holy goldenloaf of their own.  And breeders say I'm selfish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling what about for couples with unbalanced translocations that have a 50%+ chance of having mentally handicapped children if they dont do ivf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'unbalanced translocations :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'wow :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't be better off with her eggs...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I sure wonder why you're so convinced that only the children of the poor can experience love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  They should ADOPT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: '<<3 you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My cousin has 3 zero-function autistic kids. Decided 2 just wasn't enough. Fuck that shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'do we have a real geneticist here? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you can't have kids naturally, if your kid is likely to be a tard, just adopt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think Starling's parents must have been very patient people'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'permit me to introduce myself, I am Allele Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I have pre-med and medical techonology BS degrees :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'I just find it funny that the single unmarried guy has so many righteous opinions on how people should have or not have kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'After the 3rd they FINALLY went and had a test - turns out the odds were 99% any child would be autistic. Now the three kids have to grow up unable to do anything productive, loveless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unbalanced translocation?  I'm picturing somebody's womb casting translocate and ending up somewhere else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'bitter anyone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i meant balanced.  the unbalanced are basically hopeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why loveless?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'PALMalaHANDerson loves you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar is agreeing with that Roninleader person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ohm, actually, I think part of my childfree attitude today is my parents constantly threatening me with "You wait till you have some of your own, I hope they act as bad as you do."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seen an autistic kid? Not some "my child has autism, wah" bullshit autism, but Actual, full-disorder autism? They don't know the meaning of the word emotion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that would also do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in that case we are glad you are child free, Starling. I don't think the world at large could have coped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. When I worked in the nursing home, there were a few autistic adults who were occasionally placed for a weekend on respite care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'that doesnt mean they are loveless. im sure they are loved. they just dont have the means to understand it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if we handled george w. bush, we can handle starling's *loaves*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"growing up loveless" would denote lack on the part of the parents, not lack of understanding by the kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you know, Ohm, that's not true. Parents say that to their children all the time. They certainly said to me, I just laughed them off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my kids would be sociopaths due to being flushed down the shitter for bad behavior and/or being locked in a cage 24/7'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hey remember that game Aardwolf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'imo, love is 2-way, it means nothing whatsoever unless it is returned.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly use a weird dictionary, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but I loved having a 3-way'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure your mom loved having a 3-way too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I love this car. I love this fish. My daughter and I love each other. See the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'would that be 2 hands and either foot, Dirkdiggler?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'shhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for some people, there is no difference'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'loving things and using people makes the people who do it unwelcome in my circles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are assuming that because your daughter loves you, loves is two-way. When in fact you just showed that it is one-way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if a rich couple has millions of dollars to hire scientists to perform ivf / pgd, why would you force them to adopt instead?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '2-ways are boring....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok im done *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '1-ways are standard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am saying I don't think the first 2 are love.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I don't want their defective frankenloaf growing up to contaminate society with its fucked up genes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i will always love my kids, even if it wasnt returned....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, if they have millions of dollars, why don't they do some public works to improve life for all the kids already here?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'It took me a minute to find, but this is what I think of when I see allele Anaristos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjxviggLvo'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'love is as simplex connection. What you and your daughter have is not a duplex connection, it is  two simplex connections.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people love material possessions more than human beings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ivf / pgd only implants genetically healthy embryos though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think you're more likely to get fucked-up through adoption.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ROFL can we rewind to the comment "defective frankenloaf"???'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling is case in point of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'kojiro, that's not true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8aprCNnecU'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks at Quadrapus and goes "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'except for occasional mosaciism, it's 99% true'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'In C elegans, Egl mutants aren't able to give birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'the difference between like and love :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And what does it matter if the kid is adopted?  Parental love is unconditional, isn't it?  That's what the lying breeders keep saying?  So if it's unconditional, what does it matter if you didn't sluice the kid yourself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So the young eat the mother from the inside'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can screen for some stuff, but we don't know the definition of only genetically-healthy DNA'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and that's how they escape :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Guys, Double's in effect.  Time to stop chattin' and start killin''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because humans don't love all children equally starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If parental love is so unconditional, wouldn't those millionaires love the adopted kid just as much as one they sluiced themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'some do starling, other people aren't capable of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'is there something wrong with wanting a kid you made?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they aren't capable of that, maybe they shouldn't have kids at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'humans are selfish you know this'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Is there something wrong with adopting one?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'no.  I plan to adopt a few times'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there's soemthing wrong with forcing adoption on those who don't want to adopt when they have other options'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't continue your bloodline...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does your kid need to be your own DNA self-replicant?  It's not enough to just raise it and whatnot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'not all humans are, but those who are will ruin anything those who aren't have going for them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ronin, you said the other day you plan on making your wife shit at least 12 loaves.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's instinctual, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '12 kids? my word...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i would kill 2 strange children to save my child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but why would that matter abel'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is also instinctual.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuance of a bloodline is basically the drive to continue a successful result.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's what we're wired for, ucla...I happen to be the only son of an only son...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Drunk'ing Abel, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'abelinc is obv an only lchild'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the best DNA survies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope kojiro, just the only male'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but how can it survive if  you don't continue your bloodline>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and father had 5 sisters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only child that matters'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing I wasn't jewish :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i thought your prior statement argued that evolution could not act in such a short period of time? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'continuing bloodline isn't evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, had a gq to lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha yes it is...all breeding is evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'haha, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahah yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The OTHER issue I have with IVF is that people spend tens of thousands of dollars on that shit.  INSTEAD of adopting a kid, and spending the money on the kid instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why can't people spend money on whatever they want?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'evolution implies a result different from the species before it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'all breeding and passing of genese is a small scale step in evoltion'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I guess we go full circle to your knowledge of the subject...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'continuing the bloodline is actually anti-evolutionary because it lowers the chance of mutations.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, they even go into debt and sell off everything they have.  Then by the time the loaf is sluiced, they are penniless and unable to give it anything but shit for life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No, it doesnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Thats retarded'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without mutation, there is no evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you clearly know nothing about genetics'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it doesnt its the processing of passing and selecting genes,,,,no change is required '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For the correct definitions of evolution, go to a library.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'selective breeding is not evolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I want to debate if there is actually a debate going on here........'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know plenty about evolution i debate this all the time.....evolution is also selection against genese and that happens with every birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, they actually form insurance cooperatives with other ivf couples so nobody goes into serious debt :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ucla, the selection doesnt happen with each birth'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the randomization of the genes does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, "I debate this all the time"...now there's a qualifier...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The money would still be better spent on a kid already here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the selecting event is something separate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So not only do they birth a defective frankenloaf, they deprive that other kid of a good life too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's selfish as all hell, but breeders call CHILDFREE selfish?  Fuck that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are ruining my next trip to the bakery, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ok ima log off and when i come back you guys better have gotten all this debating out of ya system....cuz ima come back poopin and fartin all over the channels *grin'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i cant believe this conversation is still going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people have seriosu beliefs, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are still trying to get Starling to bake some bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think there can be evolution without mutation, n'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling, isn't it nighttime at your orphanage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Modi in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'er nm, i would rather listen to farts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Not Guilty Kojiro's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'some peoples beliefs are never tested by them, and they never know until they get in the thick of it, what the truth of their belief system is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, my orphanage kicked me out for trying to kill the handlers'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'Charles Darwin was the first to formulate a scientific argument for the theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Evolution by natural selection is a process that is inferred from three facts about populations: 1) more offspring are produced than can possibly survive, 2) traits vary among individuals, leading to differential rates of survival and reproduction, and 3) trait differences are heritable.[3] Thus, when members of a population die they are replaced by the progeny of parents that were better adapted to survive and reproduce in the environment in which natural selection took place. This process creates and preserves traits that are seemingly fitted for the functional roles they perform.[4] Natural selection is the only known cause of adaptation, but not the only known cause of evolution. Other, nonadaptive causes of evolution include mutation and genetic drift.[5]'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'who is going to read that paragraph and translate for me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '(says the biology major)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and shit the bread out'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You haven't said anything that changes what I said :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'evolution as a theory is a process of selecting genes for survival its happening with every birth and death'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm explaining to you what Darwin really meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Go to bed, Shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh wow, just turned debate on and I see it's still going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You need to be rested to take care of Loafette tomorrow :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if us rich well to do 1%'ers adopt, it just encourages the breeders to shit more loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Evolution has 2 parts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh thanks....ill still with darwin himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'okay dad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea im leaving now...ttyl *fart *poop *burp *wink *oops .....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'First is randomization of genes. Second is a selection against those genes where the "fittest" organisms survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'back, had a gq to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'hey look ironclad is on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Randomization happens during fertilization/etc, selection happens later'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so what's going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing, just saying your girlie here is irresponsible for having a kid at 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that that successful bloodlines mute often?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well it all started when starling decided im a piece of shit mother because im 17'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does your military or whatever provide benefits to take care of her kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'starling how old are you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if I had a handful of kids, and only some of them survived because something in the environment took them out, then you can cry natural selection for choosing the survivors...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then what was it that I said that was different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Unless there is selection for higher levels of randomization, so the proofreading pathways or DSB repair pathways are fucked up or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ever serve the military'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How old are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling if we adopt isntead of spawn, doesn't it just encourage the IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDERS?????'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Obviously over 18, are you one of those skeezy mid-20's guys who sleeps with teenie boppers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I wasnt talking to you, I was talking to ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the entire process is evolution ....its not just a single moment in time where a specific act of progrees is recorded in genese'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kojiro:  Not really, because they are never aware of the adoptions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm 29 2 time Iraqi vet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the poor raise their kids better than the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good lord fuck, you ARE one of those skeezy guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said that successful bloodlines were anti-evolutionary. They are because there is less of a chance for mutation. How is that different? It's the same thing looked at from a different angle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that saved a platoon and was put up for the medal of honor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'nope not mid 20s'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29, and a kid with a 17yo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Why is there a less chance of mutation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'There isn't, that's just wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ive known him my whole life'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because they are successful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here's some advice.  Dump this girl and find a nice childfree woman to settle down with who won't use you as a wallet to pay for her illegitimate kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'They are successful because they fit the environment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'that has NOTHING to do with the rate of mutation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Rate of mutation is easily measurable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that doesn't help, shadows...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and all the data says you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i actually went out and bought some bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe not for you but it helps me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what have you accomplished in life starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'remind me to never allow my daughter to meet any of you :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you've known him your whole life, then he was an adult watching you as a small child...that makes it quite skeevy :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'she is a T9, 'NUFF SAID OWNEDUFGT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I see you as a 30 year old mama boy gay fan club owner'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah its weird but if i was like 30 and he was 40 it would be fine would it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'woman. starling is a female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Ironclad, what have YOU achieved in life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ohm, so starling says'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'besides save hundreds of lives?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, ok. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I'm a geologist.  I work on drilling rigs that produce the resources that make your fancy military vehicles run.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'In what capacity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ahs anybody else retired around 28 years old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'massage therapy degree cooking degree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me put it another way, if the bloodline mutates it becomes  a different bloodline. That is, the current offspring (which mutated) cannot trace back to the parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nothing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no starling is an it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats not a big deal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry to jump in, but no iraqi soldiers saved any lives.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izpokol: 'Where you working at now Starling? My cousin is a geologist too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with that in mind, as long as the bloodline continues there is no mutation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And I highly doubt the medal of honor story, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'if Starling refers to children as loaves of bread....Starling becomes an it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually he has two '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one fossil fuel is not used in military vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my spouse corran died in iraq :('
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'RIP'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'they use jet fuel fail 1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'want me to take a picture and send it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about the Iraqi war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fossil fuels are not used in military vehicles? What do they use?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you soldiers are just tools of the corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if you are in the military, thank you for serving this great country.  I just don't want to see one of our warriors exploited by somebody with an illegit kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gwynyfar wraps Sneak in duct tape, humming to herself.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'fail 2 is that the production of oil is taken threw about 15 process before its useable'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'modern day slaves fighting rich men's wars'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle faints.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling said something nice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell you what star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jet fuel is manufactured from petroleum, smart guy.  Fail 1 yourself :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I missed it...can you paste it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, but that oil has to be drilled out of the ground before it's produced.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If you join the military thinking you're going to 'do good' any more, you're lying to yourself or terribly ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Ranrr: 'I bet the iraqi people care...''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'shadow is ten times more mature then any girl in her 30-80'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Indeed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'agreed sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm talking abouit the Iraqi comment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'idgaf about your maturity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'also brighter smarter and knows how to do a lot more things intellegence and thinking wise then I would presume you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i was agreeing about the slaves and the rich ppls war'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'hold on, another gq to throw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in your simple malcious hateful life could produce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, I see'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'glad you agree with me then :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you spend your time playing games calling people breeders but you have no clue what that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol really or are you just saying that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any american soldier who thinks they're liberating people and saving lives in wars are brainwashhed :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, at least we're not attacking personally anymore. That's good to know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how can you produce one fact into childhood or giving birth when you haven't'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'he never mentioned who he saved now did he?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tyranthin: 'just curious, do you guys actually believe the crap you're spewing or are you just trolling iron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone who says anything is brainwashed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's like say you have a penis when your female'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, without alluding to the kennel club, breeding means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'again with the assuming what did i say about that earlier?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol modi'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'makes an ass out of you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, females have penis analogs, Ironclad :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just ask chaz bono'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i wanna smack starling in the face with a dead iraqis penis.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he'd like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fossil fuel isn't used in military vehicles?  Do you think it's all biofuel?  It's made from petroleum.  Even if it's synthetic fuel, the feedstock is petrochemical based, and for that you need to drill.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'how does someone even come up with that kind of thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'my point is simple a woman of any age is given the right to have children'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is scary'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because you gave your right away to breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, who said otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i got it from some old guys war stories'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'doesn't give you the right to hate on others that choose to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'people come up with that kind of thought after countless thoughtless comments have been made by the person they end up saying it to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just because you can doesn't mean you should...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'are you like... 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how does one give away the right to breed unless one becomes sterile by choice?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As for her being smarter, she sure wasn't smart enough to use the pill or get an abortion and prevent shitting an unaffordable loaf onto society's tab.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, her poor spelling and grammar argue against what you say.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'damn that loaf thing again.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm getting hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'lol I'm not on wellfare I assure you that....lol and umm kids are amazing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I told you, Anne Coulter aparently plays muds :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont have poor spelling its called auto correct'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'if you have one .....oh wait you can't muahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since I am the one paying the taxes and picking up the tab for her bad decisions, I think that gives me a right to bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'agrees with ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'What kind of MUD client has auto correct?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't ruin my screen by typing that name, Ixle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, yes you do'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kids are amazingly shitty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'autocorrect would form other real words...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'umm dumalbass she works'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree with Starling on her previous point'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and goes to school'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'simply misspelling things is never autocorrect'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and takes care of her kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Ohm ive been hungry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she makes her brother take care of it.  She said so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wtf you do eat cheetos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'But a pigeon pie doesnt seem quite appetizing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, what I can't play? This looks like fun...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless you are a cat'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he baby sits you have the brain of a pigeon....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I already said I Love my welfare, steak and gouda sandwiches for dinner :) organic coffee :) ty for less than one penny per tax dollar ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm thinking, raisin bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you can ply ixle but nobody wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we know on whose side Ironclad is :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Winning went out the window with the first "loaf" and "welfore whore"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well maybe some apple fritter bread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Since then it's just been Aardwolf jersey shore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does the military provide benefits for the kid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm on shadows side I have known her for 14 years...you find me a smarter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I can throw a stone and find a smarter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm actually really curious where the appeal in having children lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'since she was 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or some one that makes better decisions then her and I will prove you wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she's well balanced and way smarter than the people who keep biting her in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you are not making a point, Ironclad. You are showing your alliance simply by insulting those who disagree with her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, enjoy that shit, Gwynyfarm, you welfare moo, I sure love paying for you to eat expensive food and argue online.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's the point '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no one write'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ooo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, let's take me for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Starling, I hear Newt Gingrich has a spot on his moon colony where you won't have to pay any taxes for these welfore moo's.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They need geologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '30 years old, never knocked up, smart enough to take precautions and avoid shitting a loaf I couldn't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she has done her school....been threw multiple homes because of her father inability to lead.. she has continued to do her schooling and finish top'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Decided I really hated kids, was smart enough to get sterilized so I don't ruin my life having any.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim silences everyone on the internet
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Can spell properly, use good English, good punctuation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but your use of euphemisms tends to indicate you are not really comfortable  with your choices.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Starling 3, Shadowsdie 0.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'she isn't on welfare she works full time and she does every decision not based on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and in the end what you think was your free will might have just been natural selection'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What school, high school?  I did high school too.  Then college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '4-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'every decision she has made has been for her daughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im pretty sure the so called loaf came out of my crotch and not my asshole'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Ucla :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'she told them that, they are off base, they have been all day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and that is what makes a real parent'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Am not on welfare, lived off savings when I didn't have a job, looked for a job, got a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '5-0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This is getting fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I <3 you guys btw'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'd be very depressed if everything in my life revolved around someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Sneak.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'you make me smile'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'does sound like charlie sheen.. winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'standing at corners is not a job, Starling, it's an adventure :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'is there an ignore button'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '5-0 is winning!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at ohm, sneak, ucla, and everyone else who is getting a kick out of this.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when you havent had anyone to live for it makes life worht living'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'well, she is not you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol. What kind of flawed argument is that'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"When you haven't had anyone to live for"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'but if youve had something to live for you wouldnt quite understand the reason for wanting a child'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You live for yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'there is Ironclad type ignore personame'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think I've proven that I'm smarter than your little babe here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, so you are saying that we should admire you and that women all over should emulate you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I guarentee when she is 30 she will own a house and have a good job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I have myself to live for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'why? who decides if im worth it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Who cares about buying houses, what you want is to buy islands.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Born free and life is worth living...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And really.  A 29-year-old fucking a 17-year old?  Gross man, that's creepy as hell.  Couldn't get a woman your own age?  I mean hell, aren't there a bunch of broads in the service you could bang?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '30 year olds who think they're Charlie Sheen #winning by keeping their own fictional score...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'since your on here everyday I would presume that you.don't work for an oil rig because my cousin does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny thought when i challenged you on issues all we heard were crickets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'since when do people decide that anyone different than they are must be wrong....if we were all the same we'd be extinct already'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: '"how can you expect to love another before you can love yourself?" :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, 6-0, didn't fuck anybody 12 years older than me when I was in high school.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i want an whole country screw islands!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, you are some reactionary dudette.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'he works 12-14 hours a day'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at Ucla.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That happened to me too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"a" whole country, not "an" whole country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe you add to the list......picks on people he thinks are inferior to him'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wait wait every stop'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i want to be rich enough to buy prime real estate, like, Mars. the whole planet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I want stsrling to try and compare to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I'll sell you the moon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not a rig hand, smart guy.  I'm a geologist.  I catch samples and enter them onto my log on the computer, then email them out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'in her righteousness'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'DARN IT when did we start keeping score?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'simple game'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'compare to you. harharhar'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like data entry'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'should have known, A rock major.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aren't you supposedly just a meathead soldier.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, the first bible quote of the thread'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you ask a question I answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then I wil do the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'didnt notice i put an'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'anyone can be a soldier, not everyone can be a geologist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Shadowsdie, I know how you can win, type 0-10...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wanna see who wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right now, I have time to troll a bit, the rig is running casing and cement, so all I have to do is monitor gas and alert the company man if anything unusual happens.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'actually, Tom Cruise owns real estate on the moon. Scientologists.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thanks ixle atleast someone is honestly keeping score'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm so glad people like starling are here to prevent another Deepwater Horizon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay let's go'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can others play too?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not  everyone can be a soldier. I know someone who failed the Armed Forces examination.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did you finish college star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle packs his bags
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'scientologists have a moon base!!!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I want to play.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'who wants a realestate on the moon? everyone stares at the moon'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, I finished college.  Twice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Tom Cruise spent millions, too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a dark side. Ask Led Zepplin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should just rotate the moon, it always looks the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only half of it....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'for real estate he cannot set foot on.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know several geologists......partied a lot not a competitive major :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm good point shadow, although the dark side is always hidden :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay o have massgae therapy cooking and ent qual from college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you cant finish something twice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Lol massage therapy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rock majors are well, rocky :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'what kind of crappy degree is that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you just finished two different  things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that happened to be in the same location'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle grabs some of elyce's popcorn and gets smacked in the hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you buy it off the Internet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hoo boy, massage therapy.  Cooking, well, that might get you somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'did you do your cooking at the CIA?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'phoenix university'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'else, it's rather useless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, both of those things are called 'college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'more people live in their darkness...mainly because they're afraid of their own light'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i couldnt dig geology, prof was a tool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'dig geology, badumtsh'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'But seriously folks, Starling is monitoring a drilling rig. Are we not concerned?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'funny how people bring out massage therapy and say "I've done college"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so star when did you first have sex'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'nice one gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it is usually taught at a college of some sort, community college etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that explains his toxocity'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how does it compare to a proper........ degree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Ursula Le Guin will tell you, light is the left hand of darkness :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an awesome job...put rocks in tumbler...computer spits out numbers....enter them on spreadsheet and email...definitely supports your superiority theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'really do you know every muscle group in the body.. know every pressure point in the body'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't need to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When I was good and ready, and able to be smart about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'At this point Majic i just dont really care im talking out my butt since almost two hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I pay people to do it for me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the flow of the veins every major organ location lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I wonder if we checked the logs on the deepwater horizon if there was a connection to Aardwolf at the time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I get it done once every fortnight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i have been **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, yes, you have been'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'age star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What are you going to do, go kill someone Ironclad?  Are you unstable?  Are you shell shocked?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'PTSD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it's not called shell shock anymore'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no hes Starling shocked'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce giggles.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you know calling a soldier that actually served the country so fat women like you could type is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I've come to the conclusion  that those who have argued the hardest with no comprehension are diagnosably illiterate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you didnt serve the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you served private corporations and selfish interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there's a difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Quality debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'did it allow you to sit at home sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'it didn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'and I have most of the culprits on ignore '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'rofl havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if our military cleaned out Congress, that would be really serving the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'waffle'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or say Vietnam?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Ohm and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just to step in on that note iron, i have served as well, and we havent fought a war backed by the american people in a very long time'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I love my vets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, what's sad is that somebody supposedly smart, i.e. you, is being taken for a fool by this irresponsible teen who is using you to finance her brat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I'm fairly certain there are civilians around the world sitting at home whose countries didn't have to invade Iraq'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Exactly, Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'who here did not have sex until they were married?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Roninleader!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect,. If the US is going to fight wars like Viet Nam and Iraq, you can't seriously expect to be backed by the people, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'no your proving your just a filthy fat peddler'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My country didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'mmmmm smoked gouda :P***'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least we pay our taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which pays your wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'those were banker's wars, but that is a whole other topic lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'nice to know I got shot every day for a filthy nonbreeder could mouth off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Soft and Silke: 'I support the military :) Love you guys.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many times were you shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What did you expect ironclad? Why do you think everyone hates us?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't even...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wow, holy shit, you got shot every day?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle points excitedly at Starling!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't hear about the purple hearts'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The last justified war that the US fought was WWII.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how many purple hearts do you have again? '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That must have been very painful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'let's see in one day 49 times 5 close to my neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'any purple hearts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: '50 cent aint got nothin on you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no? then moot point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Majic, he claims he was nominated for the medal of honor!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Was there an airsoft fight in the barracks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Haoks roflmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm laughs out loud at Havoks.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think i just discovered who the troll is..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls on the floor laughing at The Lady Elyce's antics!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'khaim: that needs to be plural'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're confusing 'shot at' with 'shot', there is a very real difference :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'the point is I belive shadow has the right to live her life and I assure you on any topic I'm brighter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'honestly starling its really no more ridiculous then you claiming your superiority'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''brighter then you' ... rofl :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think you guys are correct in this. Whether we support the war or not that doesn't change what the personnel there went through.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so to question my intellegence or hers is sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Brighter THAN'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"intellegence"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, she sure has the 'right' to shit loaf after loaf that *I* get to pay out for.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'thats is a very good point Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Forgive me if I call bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Logic ucla, what are you doing here with that? She's not going to answer you if you use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'loaf. lololol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'child human'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, if you're going to take it into personal attacks and start calling names, you really ought to avoid insults like that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'sluice a fuckturd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I've been shot at and I'm about as far as you can get from a member of the military.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you are just an overgrown moldy loaf if i do say so myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys are ruining my next trip to the bakery,  leave the freakin loaves alone!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i'm curious how old you two were when you first met. was it love at first sight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but she pays more taxes'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Ohm on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'ich demos das star ist ein grossen Frau MIT ein Klein loft und diese Frau hast katzen und Leon schwarze'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet he was her babysitter.  I mean, fucking hell, 12 years age difference.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '3 and 15'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know but i cant help myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'English only, on public channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'english only on public channels is a rule :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'English only, please.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'for one calling starlight a immature is a personal attack on her'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet i pay more taxes ....so you all should bow down to my superiority!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Starlight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'why can't speak multiple languages'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or maybe just an observation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'He probably imprinted on her, it wasn't his fault.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'AN IMMATURE **'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'ok I I've been away for an hour or so, is this still going'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'how about I say it in French'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bet i play less taxes than you ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because aardwolf is an english-speaking mud.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ironclad, wes from Amurricah!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Spanish?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'reSPect My AuthoriTAH'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'quit using Google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? inquiring minds want to know'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'just use your halffucked english'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i bet you do.....according to starling i am now your master'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'your intellegence is actually sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of you is unlucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'uh hes not? he was stationed in germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'at least I know how to spell intelligence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Perhaps to boost some slow pclass, like psi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'W00t! Take me for a walk!!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, ironclad has mastered google translate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'intelligence has feelings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'please stop talking trash about her period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'where it was REQUIRED to learn their language?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why should I/'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I speak German I'm outside talking '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her period was so lazy, it took 9 months off'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've never said anything about her period.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'because it makes you that much less of a person.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'because its not your place'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Big deal you speak german.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think a person with offspring will die feeling more fullfilled than one without, regardless of who paid the bills, so when you're on your deathbed , Starling, I think more people will care then what you think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'haha abe actually 11'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She's the one shitting out illegitimate brats on my time and dime, I think I have the right to object to that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'tell me star what gives you the right to judge'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, you can't really police what others can do. you COULD just ... you know, shut off the channel, add others to ignore, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, the more offspring the more people wishing you dead so they can get the inheritance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'I'm glad some of you never leave your laptops....save us from having so much fertilizer in the streets'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, our rooms need fertilizers too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'her kids probably smarter then you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah Modi, ask some nursing home staff how fulfilled all the old farts are when their kids never come to visit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can they spell intelligence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and I bet my cat is to'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ana they cant inherit if they are not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If Harold Godwinson had had the good sense to defeat William of Normandy in the Battle of Hastings, English would be a much simpler language to learn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if she could talk im sure she could'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's no news to me, Ironclad. The world is smarter than I. Especially in winter since my IQ has somehow connected to the ambient temperature.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you have a will now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wills can be contested'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what exactly are you bequeathing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'hey star tell you what I'm gonna ip sniff you and find your location and the location of your worm and se how lonely you really are'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not the one with a little loaf o' shit in the crib or whatever the hell kind of carrier breeders put them in.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Actually I agree Starling. Thank you for NOT reproducing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what do you do a about constipation, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce looks around afraid for her life.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the consequences will never be the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Very responsible of you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No i was simply saying that in order for the child to inherit they either dont have a written signed will or the child is not in the will'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hey now, no real life threats :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'what you remind me of is a woman that is super ugly got rejected and harps on others for what they can't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad, you know fuck all about computers, you've shown that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is true, Starling. The world might be a better place without your offspring...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'kids are idiots, i agree, im one of them, it aint about that, but about knowing you gave back to the universe as you were given'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Again i told you not a crib a bassinet'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oddly enough, Druzil is no where around'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'certainly a viable avenue of exploration.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wow, the bingoes sure are flying tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle enthusiastically high-fives Undertaken Anaristos!
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'so your a over fed loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1 for no starling loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'haha loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'NATURAL SELECTION'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'starling you have been attacked for like 3 and a half hours and youre still going on?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just a hypothesis, Ixle :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont have kids, but i would like to, if i could get my shit together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Let's see, we've heard:  "You won't feel fulfilled", "you're selfish", "you're too ugly, nobody would fuck you", any others?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol Ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'man did your mom forget to wipe your eyes off so you can see?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'must be one of them dern teenie boopers who want to win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think those are enough reasons, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wonders where the debate went...
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'are you a church goer star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think Ironclad is a kid trolling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'this was never a debate it started and stayed a personal attack'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'church goer? starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he has college!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Sneak, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Correction IT has college.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twice, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Wow it's an IT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'So. a Bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadow, that was about ironclad...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad, seriously.  You need to listen to my advice.  Quit fucking 17-year-olds, it's creepy and kind of sad.  Dump that broad and find somebody your own age, and go HAVE FUN and do something worthwhile.  Don't get tied down with somebody else's brats.  Lastly, learn to spell properly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'No this was established earlier'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, I am not a follower of Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wuts that? i do IT'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, you're calling your guy an IT now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow......I'm just gonna write you in as a soon to be insane lady with cats'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that was hilarious :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'pot calling the kettle huh take a look at RESPONSIBLE .....(Debate) Starling: 'What gives me the right to judge?  The fact that I took precautions against unwanted loaf shitting, which was the smart and respobsible thing to do?''
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ironclad is probably her brother or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eww, that explains a lot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'abe what does that have anything to do with what i said?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i think havoks wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'well if you think about it my dad dated his mom so at one time yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, I would love to have a couple of cats.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you called ironclad an it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'wow see your even kiddy in you actions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Indeed. Havoks 5, everyone else 0'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'con all'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh wow. Now we're going into incestual territory'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'This turns for the better!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i was referring to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'shi...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce wants a kitty.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'again....anyone who see's children as loaves of bread, would only be responsible if they preented themselves from having any :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's more of a family bush than a family tree, all twisted around itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sliced bread.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I'm done not gonna listen to a confused old hag cry about other peoples rights'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'abe said 'he has college' referring to ironclad and you said 'correction IT has college' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Which is the most circular logical way of proving Starling is responisble gwyn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'you want people to be controlled.move to Iraq or stfu '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you should get a job though, welfare is for pussies'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the USA has more control over its citizens than Iraq does'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, you two should probably get to bed so you can fuck without protection and try to sluice yet another brat you can't afford.  Get going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so.... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i coulda sworn they were refering to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'On the other hand, Shadow and ironclad are reasonable, intelligent people who happen to be parents and love each other :) and that my friends, is a beautiful thing no matter what personal choices the rest of us make for ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean intellegent :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US probably has more control over it's citizens than any other country'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'not that it matters because  like i told majic. just talkin out my butt sint about 2 almost 3 hours ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'You forget, Ironclad is also purportedly a Medal of Honor nominee.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe the rest of you aren't as petrified Starling is responsible for monitoring a drilling rig as I am.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your butt and/or your ravaged cooter'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I pretty much disagree with 98% of everything that comes from star...but I wouldn't call him unintelligent or ineloquent...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No. Starling is grouchy and insulting. She's not stupid. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'fox news keeps citizens in line'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I think she needs to vet laid period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't worry, the rig is fine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '"get".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'once again anyone that pays any attention to economics knows that zero unemployment has never happened and is actually not desirable from a supply and demand perspective....so why pick on system that we created and need for a vibrant eonomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'maybe she regret getting fixed back in december so she has decided its not fair that i got a baby and she didnt?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll get laid when I go back home.  I refuse to touch any of these rig hands, GROSS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'regrets*'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'your hand is not getting laid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you "get" a baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'standards. gotta have 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'then get a vibrator and shush'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm sure they're swooning over your loaf oven Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i know its like 1am i can slack on typing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'zero unemployment existed before the industrial revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Nonsense.  Zero unemployment very definately HAS happened.  Just not recently in modern society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, the typing is just starting to slack...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no it didnt'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shadowsdie, I ended up paying 1200 bucks for getting fixed, a brat costs 200 times as much from 0 to 18, EACH.  Dear god yes, I regret making such a kickass investment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'just know that i do know correct punctuation ive been learning it for many years'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'youve been learning punctuation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how many? 6?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, shouldn't you be in bed so you can be well-rested so you can clean up the next round of shit and vomit?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yes but who's paying your nursing home fee'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'according to public schooling i have'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'who's there to take care you when your old'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Punctuation is an choice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '100k years ago, everyone had tasks to perform'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'along with correct spelling'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hint: contractions have punctuation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs a nursing home when you've got millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your man will prob cheat on you w/somoen like her, so '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'cause I'm sorry I don't se you having many friends'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ahahahah, I knew that bingo would come up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'zero unemployment has never happened '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'bingo?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably the same folks taking care of you when you're old, namely, nursing home staff who don't give a shit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I hope your not saying I would chest '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You think their kids visit them?  Ask the staff sometime, they'll tell you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it happens now. primitive tribes all over the planet have zero unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that was more like 10k years ago I think, but anyways....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'their have always been elderly and beggars and mentally ill and people that could not work....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'll use the money I didn't piss away on kids to care for myself when I'm old.  Or hire somebody to do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'here's a cute little knowledge base by the time you se 65 SSI will be dissol ed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Ucla, if you lived among the pre-Columbian native americans, and you wanted work, you got work.  No unemployment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla: that's not what unemployment is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i thought the definition of unemployment was people who WANT work but can't find it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'meaning no retirement so who's paying for you to go there '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'here we go again....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Havoks, you're ruining your streak. -1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Havoks, a "bingo" is a criticism of the childfree lifestyle, usually levelled by breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is how the government defines unemployment. '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '+1'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'no unemployment is people who do not work period'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Disability has nothing to do unemployment.  "Unemployment" is when people are willing and able to work, but don't work because there aren't enough jobs to go around.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: no SSI doesn't mean no retirement...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'technically SSI has to be paid back'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or when they have the opportunity for free money'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you spent your life focusing on your health and staying active, who says you will ever need to go to a retirement home?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'much of the time anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla, when the government spits out unemployment rates, the rate is based on people who are looking for work but can't find any'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'unemployment is people who do not have jobs despite wanting them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Examples of bingoes include, "You're selfish!"  "Who will take care of you when you're old?"  "Don't you want to see what they look like?"  "You're too ugly to have kids, nobody would fuck you!"  "It's different when it's your own."  "Parenting makes you a better person."  "Having kids is the most important job in the world!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'thats why students usually aren't part of the unemployment rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Those are bingoes, they are all tired and old.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'okay well 780 from union won't help you live in 40 years lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should make them work then,'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one question how would the government determine if someone was looking for work'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if they're willing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'unemployment does not take into account the people who work EVERY day, for themselves and each other. Making clothes, cooking, counseling, carpentry, plumbing...to name a few'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ironclad: smart people plan for their retirement, regardless of social security...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'even if it's pointless work , dig a hole and fill it in, get a check'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'well, they do surveys'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'which is the difference between people working together and having what they need, and people working on paper and losing a third of their check to men who really would rather destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'who would provide a check for pointless tasks though'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I have hence why I'm already guarenteed 2200-3000 if I quit working now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they provide it for less'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I can honestly say that my mother would have been much better off if she hadn't had kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'glad to know its welfare rofl'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the "unemployment rate" included EVERYBODY who didn't work, it would include newborn infants.  Obviously, newborn infants are not considered "unemployed."'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '29 and you've already had 20 years of active military service?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'its called medical chapter lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he has a DeLorian'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Ironclad on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'wait hold on, 29 and with a 17 year old? That's creepy, dude. Rule is half your age plus seven.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'again didn't think of all angles :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're fit for duty or you're not...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Btw, age of consent is 18 in AZ'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you are a pedo, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'newborn infants are not of working age....sorry they would be excluded by law'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'That's how he survived being shot 49 times in a day. In the future, medicine is very advanced...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably molest the baby too'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no one ever said we were sleeping together'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'that's odd my grandma is 76 and my grandpa is 64?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you said you were going for a second baby, the implication is kinda there'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'shadowsdie doesn't know how babby are formed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Lady Elyce falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You just said earlier you were trying for another little shit loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah well no one caught on when i said i was kidding'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means that in order to do so, you need to fuck.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'who would father this second kid? immaculate conception?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except praetor'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so they survey? I am sure that is accurate just like exit polls'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where did the current kid come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But hey, by all means, come on out here to my rig'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'the criminal guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure the rig hands would love to beat the shit out of you for trespassing on site.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah was a survey type thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Really? We're doing the "my friend will beat you up" thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and also no one said i was pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ucla it's never "accurate" but the point is that the unemployment rate doesn't include elderly, students, disabled peoples, etc... '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'otherwise the number would be much much higher'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'how many times do i have to mention what assuming means?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they will be arrested since its against the law to beat someone for trespassing'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're right, nobody here said you were pregnant'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think when Ironclad says he's in the military, he really means he's a civil war reenactor or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im so tired of repeating that..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Please, do tell.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. ok. do you want a second child, or not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Since he claims the vehicles don't use petroleum.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when you assume you make an ass of U and ME         ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah but not now'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'when im done with college'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'btw jet fuel is kerosene'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'however many children she has is not an yones business really....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can make naplam with gasoline and orange juice'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of 'college' ?  What major?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'shadow it was never a good idea to start making things up "as a joke" when people are debating your situation, for all we know now the entire thing is a joke cleverly perpetrated by your and irconclad'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I always used gasoline and styrofoam'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What's the oj for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you'll be able to sort of take of Mr. Shell Shocked over there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, frozen orange juice concentrate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'hey i'm in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no no i assure you im a mickey ds lackey with a 4 month 3 week daughter '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'The OJ covers the aftertaste.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i look forward to being unemployed once i complete my phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you take time off a lot and dump responsibilities on your non-childed co-workers too, don't you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'let's pay able-bodied people to do nothing, makes more sense than putting them to work?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hopefully it wont last long'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'that is what moos do, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Feeding McDonalds to a child seems rather dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'im majoring in pysch i didnt say i was going to be a pyschiatrist gwyn what was that about assuming? i forgot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'ass u me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of americans feed their kids fast food.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Which seems... dangerous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'when a person assumes they make an ass out of themself and you'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can prolly make some decent money as a wetnurse, with time to care for the little one...helps make your tits bigger in the process...it's like win/win'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is why they are overweight and allergic to things'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i dont feed her mcdonalds especially considering she cant eat solids..'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should always include as a preconditional statement your observation on the things not done at home that you purchase in the store with the machines who sometimes do the work that you purchase the result of before aiming at the unemployed, negating all eligations and showing how lazy they actually are in theirs misguided fortune'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'genetically modified high fructose corn syrups'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you major in something....to not do it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was a psych major in indergrad psychiatrists are actually doctors psychologists are what you get with a BA in psych'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i cant produce milk actually sorry abe about your dream that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'almost all pysch majors do something else'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'If you breastfeed your daughter, and you eat McDonalds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'on the other hand, I raised my daughter for the first 5 years of her life on 100% organic food, and when we hit the road, and were having fun eating non-organics, she got her first fever ever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'abelinc isnt that what college is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you won't be tit-feeding the loaf in public'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no you can major in pysch and take a few biology and anatomy courses and be a dr'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Starling on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm glad you like my choice of words, Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it makes your point mean more than the same thing unexplained all the time, questioning whether you're the reason their life sucks or whether you would like it differently - most people don't bother with such conventionalities though, cause they're kind of arcane'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'so it is good to balance things out and keep healthy but also immune to things that are not good for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling has wheat fixation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need the bio/anatomy courses to be a dr...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well seriously, who wants to see a moo tit-feeding her loaf, exposing her ugly udders for all and sundry to see?  PUKE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that may lead to anal retention :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a few biology and anatomy courses?! you mean like, medical school? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'alcohol is yeast excrement'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ive just never seen it being used so often as a metaphor for baby'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'at least one year is a requirement for specialization i want'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'starling has many metaphors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'to be in'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything is excrement if you think about it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'that was all Starling Havoks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'honey is bee shit, is it not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm honey.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they make honey to feed their loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no puke'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, regurgitation, close enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'wax is shit'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And no, if it's whole wheat, it has a decent amount of fiber in it, will keep you taking healthy shits and avoid colon cancer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'guinea pigs (and i think some rabbits) eat their own excrements in order to be more efficient with nutrient absorption'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that wont avoid colon cancer'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if you take a healthy shit you avoid colon cancer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pigs eat their own shit cause they can'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'pigs who eat their own shit are getting a deficient diet to begin with.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gwynyfar: 'same as some of the debaters here, come to think of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Is that a metaphor?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they seriously need someone to feed them something'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Stop making me hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that website explains that people "available to work" are extrapolated against via a survey of 60,000 people. It says the statistics are faulty and extrapolated. The age starts at 16. If you look futher there are at least 6 definitions of unemployment that are all argued over'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, they report on multiple different rates, for the different definitions'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'in summary unemployment figures are a fictional guestimate'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why, they have been lying to me, the loaf eating pigs!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'you learn about the different types of enployment and unemployment senior year in highschool in economy class.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they're getting you ready'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so next year?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ass will the availability of tenure-track positions in universitys increase in 6 years?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'ignore the ass part'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thought you were talkin to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'agree, kids do some of the most amazing things without even knowing it'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'no i already completed highschool'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'i graduated early'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ass is a trigger word, Modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's different, and yes you keep all your property.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ass triggers my moon BASE'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'yeah she's to smart actually scares me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Getting a GED is not "completing high school"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats happenening? i'm seeing other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'are there any professors that play aard'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not from accredited institutions :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, I know one of them, although he's been inactive lately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'actually ucla i know that thanks for making an ass out of u and me'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh yeah, kids do amazing things.  Babble incoherently, shit themselves, break things, disrupt everyone else's dinner out, am I missing anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'darn'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'don't you do that to star'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'say the darndest thingS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You must be speaking from personal experience, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, kick your seat on the airplane, gotta love when kids do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Drain you of everything that's good in life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'or are you saying you were never a kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she was never a kid, she was botted as an adult.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'except i wasnt an ass because i cant send tells. it tells me you dont exsist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, another bingo "You were a kid once!" and "Kids will be kids!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean she was shit out as an adult loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'spelling the name correctly? :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i was asked to teach entertainment law courses at a local college '
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, and that's why I hate them, because they're kids :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'have not decided if i will do it.....'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I was never a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what  a loaf she was, too, the cause of permanent hemorrhoids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'loaf-bot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'let your kids run wild and free, because as the old saying goes, "let your kids run wild and free"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'I give up...like talking to a brick wall with cracks'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I specifically remember wanting to act like an adult from as far back as I can remember.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In some ways yes and in some ways no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still enjoy, for example, splashing in puddles and going sledding in winter :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, Ironclad, are you saying that Starling is on crack?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry dude, I don't know what to tell you.  Kids fucking suck, they're boring as all hell, they do nothing special.  There is nothing special about having them.  I mean come on, even rats in a back alley can fuck and reproduce, so what's so special about a human doing it.  If you're so complete devoid of creativity and life that you see kids as 'amazing' then it's your own problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do something else with your life, hell, re-enlist and serve your country or some shit.  That's a lot more meaningful than shitting out some ugly brats who will probably go to prison anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'have you had kids starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet that Starling was hated as a child, here depictions are not of the usual kids I see around. She must have been a terror.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'starling, he's 29 and with a 17 year old, he clearly has no problem with kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FUCK no, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'uh what, 29 year old with a 17 year old?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'errrr ok.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she can't drop loaves, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea dont knock it til you tried it, crackloaf'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'Statistically speaking, will a child born to an underage mother be more likely to reproduce while underage?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And they're EXPENSIVE.  Apparently a kid costs 250,000 dollars from 0 to 18, NOT including college.  Fuck that noise, gonna spend that cash on myself.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, how much did you cost?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Very true, Scurvy, very true.  I fear for that baby when she gets a little older and starts getting boobies and hips.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure what you mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I shudder to think of it, Anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she's calling Ironclad a pervert.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling is a woman?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what "she" claims :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'possibly. i dont think anyone knows for sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like clarice in silence of the lambs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dna is not definitve :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ahh yes i could work on publishing if i want. In the legal world people publish anyway so it wouldnt be much different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Clarice is not even a woman irl :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And to head off the bingo "You have no idea what it's like, you don't have any kids", I respond with:  On the contrary, I do have an idea, that's why I don't want any!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, we get it, you got pregnant as a teenager, sold your child and now are anti-kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NO, not like Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.  I have never seen that movie, never even heard of it till I made this char.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was 'clarice starling' in silence of the lambs, wasn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Apparently?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or is that not how you spell it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i prefer anthony hopkins'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not sure if this has been answered, but Ironclad, did you knock Shadowsdie up?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's an ugly woman, Sotura.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'jodie foster was too political'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the starling is a suicidal bird, iirc'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she fucked some other dude, Sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who, very smartly, bailed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'afk'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oh that answers it then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'back did i miss anything?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'correct me if I'm wrong. Ironclad claims to be a Medal of Honor nominee, 2 time Iraq veteran, super intelligent, came home, and married a 17 year old girl that has a kid fathered by someone else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you guys did nothing with 'jodie foster is too political'?  i'm lobbing em over the plate here'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'super intellegent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oh right, super intellegent, my bad :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wow, either the chick is super hot, or the dude is fucking stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sounds like an old white republican to me but hey'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'she must be pretty hot'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When I saw Foster in Silence of the Lambs the only thing I could think  was the she looked better than she did when she did "Little foxes".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'I wouldn't go after a hot single mom.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so the dude is fucking stupid :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the girl being hot doesn't improve that situation'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hope not, Elyce. Let me do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly elyce'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Lady Elyce: 'And historically, I have low standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have no standards at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'maybe they're brother and sister :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Foster looks chronically depressed in all her movies, so she has little appeal to me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I mean, their parents did "date".'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her parents were both nice guys, leave them out of this.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'supposedly they've been friends forever, but 12 years age difference?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hence my brother and sister argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so she was 5 when it started?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not so bad, Sneak. I have an aunt and uncle that have that age difference. Been married 34 years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, did your aunt have child before the marriage though ? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'depends when they started'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she had a child when she was very young, yes. An only child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so exact same scenario?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he is not her first husband. Her first husband was shot and killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ah, but thats different.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'from what'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the father of this child left.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i still think it'd be more interesting to argue about jodie foster'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so, child out of wedlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'different from husband that passed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the father of the child was killed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm comparing scenarios :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but to a second husband what difference does that make? You are not claiming something about "virtue", are you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no I'm claiming something about intelligence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my aunt got a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'sorry, intellegence'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what's her number?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'not sure'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '34F'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'her family was on the brink of bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'yet they could still afford a breast job'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's possible. Bankruptcy doesn't mean you are broke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos money is temporary, boobs are forever'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'diamond boobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'broke people typically can't afford bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckmisterfullerine boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'is that a real thing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buckminsterfullerines? yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'wait, that's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I misspelled it the first time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'darn, i thought it was a play on words, and i was all like, buck, huh?  i could pull that together, pull a few strings'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was appropriate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just following the obscure logic there, from boobs that are forever, to diamond boobs, to...'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet you know a lot about bacon lube'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis.l'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Assholes, now you have me mischanning.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Assholes ... interesting given the discussion about lube.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are anal retentive, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, the Superbowl, with its over-embellished and generally terrible renditions of classic American songs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's a tradition'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which part?  The American songs, or butchering them so badly?'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dear lord, butcher our national anthem more, bitch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it's better than the last song.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rechy Arxe grins evilly at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They both should have been hooked off stage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Ron Paul.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we all agree'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I was hoping the very mention of his name would cause a massive clusterfuck of an argument.'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kylrig cackle
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems to me we have to choose either a shitbag, or Dr. Paul. i dont agree with all he has to say, but he is a true human being who cares'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I concur'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol he had me at legalize weed and audit the fed'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Mark 5:11, 15:11-18, 5:15, John 11:51 and the media, any similarities?  somehow i see them being related'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and we won the pac 12 south being horrible'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I love Madonna's "Like a Prayer"'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Makes me think of the P-51 Mustang'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_schools_with_the_most_national_championships'
T3/r6/2012-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they need the first down'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank worthlrss sockcucker motherfcucker shitwag you failus, i will not nuy any  oroductbt will bad wiltt d/ u will shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hrm'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tourrets?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bad hair day, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at a ray of sunshine, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Sonshi, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she could get a job as a subject at any research lab :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or... hasn't been mean for a whole day, so it overflowed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'her cup runneth over?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I heard she had an A cup anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'starling wtf are u saying is that even english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it can't be a kid randomly whacking her keyboard...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is English if you account for the large amout of froth that went with it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she feels misunderstood, and rightly so. I bet that the sound of what she said was even worse :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'oh and i heard you were talking shit to my sister yesterday'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, oh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dose anyone know what she was saying to shadowdies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean that 5 hour "debate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't dare repeat anything I heard at that session :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'if thats it i also heard i was put in it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lots of stuff about loaves :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'oh my'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'all i know is my sister won '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'never did get a jodie foster response'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'isn't that cute'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '(havoks impersonation) loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow but one thing i do know is she dose not give up or lose'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"win" would be a rather strong word :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'trust me there was nothing to win....it was not a civil conversation or worth repeating'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle rapidly nods twice at Ucla, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had a high degree of entertainment at some point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Once you gave up any hope for humanity I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'sounds like it was funnyer then hell then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in hindsight it was pretty amusing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'funny changed to sad pretty quickly'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it had its moment. A laugh track might have helped though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just so you know, not giving up isn't the same as winning...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ucla speaks for me from now on :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sad and funny aren't mutually exclusive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tom brady didn't give up either'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'loser!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'well i dont remember it being both at the same time...at first was amusing then after the 3rd hour it was really lame and sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and repetitive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'i heard ironclad had some good points in then she got stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you heard wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that might describe how it went :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'got it backward?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it reminded me of grade school during recess :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did abe get distracted by debate and die?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Ironclad's argument essentially consisted of repeated assertions of his own superiority and how much starling sucks with very little to back it up. Not really any 'good points' involved.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say he was wrong :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dame '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to tell you the truth, the loyalty trip was a bit worn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'what she relly need is a life or a good lay lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suspect large amounts of alcohol or other drugs were involved :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'did she get in to a redneck spot'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'in the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dude, the blind loyalty was getting boring last night already, you logging on to try and continue the same argument tonight is just silly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Let me put it this way, I think it sums it up. One side, got her boyfriend on to defend her, and the other side threatened that the rig hands would beat up said boyfriend.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Need I say more?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it said 'If said boyfriend trespassed to carry out HIS threats, rig hands would beat up.''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Details?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have no logs, sorry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh? What was with the loyalty thing and rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No I mean those are just details'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The jist remeains the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was it in the second half? Was afk-ish a bit there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"remains"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i also said that they would all be arrested for assault since you can not protect property or defend against trespassing with force'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the loyalty thing was when the bf logged on to try and defend her.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but i really would rather that be the end of rehashing any of that "conversation"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whose?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shadows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ohhh'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'ironclad got on to defend her'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the rig hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when really, it should've been 'oh c'mon honey, people on the internet are idiots and trolls, don't give them what they want''
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'one of the truest things ive hear on debate yet Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without any relevant statements to defend her other than "she's smarter than all you assholes"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ya to much '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Don't you mean 'more intellegent' ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh boy... I'm tempted to pull up my logs now...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that had to be entertaining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'dont plz i heard to much when i got on last night'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hey, you are the one who restarted the whole conversation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tonight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and according to her, you grabbed her keyboard and typed shit last night ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let's see... what to debate today...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'e-h'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smart move! Ixle tries to start some discussion about the weather, hoping no one noticed his last mischan.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'well if u whant to its no big but i think it was a hole wast of my time i only ask because i was put some were in that debate the rest i dont care '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If it's a waste of your time, then stop talking about it and it will blow over.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'that was a little rude sorry  '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only way you were put into the debate was that shadow told us how wonderful she was for saving you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hopefully she didn't strain her shoulder...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What none of you got to see whas an actual debate about taxes vs social programs which Wyza and I had quite cordially on clantalk. It made me feel much better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aww... why can't you talk about taxes and social programs somewhere where I can see...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or the economy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we've tried but ive noticed a lot of opinion not backed by any facts'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the larger a community gets, the more immature people ruin any discourse.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'ill tell you one thing its all bullshit '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'agree demoneyeskyo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'good point ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the ignore list goes up to ten...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i played on a smaller mud and people got to know each other a little more and it was more cordial....but i forget that there are 400 people on here at any time'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at you.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Ucla, if you stay here long enough you will know all the usual suspects.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'definitely alters the dynamic for conversations'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Isn't it amazing how 1 starling and 1 shadowsdie can overpower 20 ucla's, majics, havoks, abelincs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'it happons at home to'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think Limburger cheese :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not with ignore they can't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i get that feeling....I'm just saying because of the sheer number of folk playing there is bound to be some fools....Im also big enough to admit that sometimes i am the fool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ignoring a cancerous tumour doesn't make it stop masticizing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant prove that ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can in about 10 years when my cigarettes catch up with me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'starlings don't metastasize'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol perhaps'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially sterile starlings'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi ftw'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'wow sounds like she's a beoch'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'or he or what ever it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, now, retract your claws.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'loaves?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wonder why Undertaken Anaristos slammed Havoks's head with a mallet.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'comparing results in nevada (89% reporting) to florida: romney's up .3%, gingrich down 10.5%, paul is up 11.6%... is this meaningful?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'after perusing the debate history, i actually am amazed that this conversation was brought up again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure it is meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Demoneyeskyo: 'im off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if romney will ever hit 50%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'siphillis is up .3%, gonorrhea is up 10.5% and herpes simplex II is up 11.6%. Meaningful to some...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you bring it up to troll ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'meaningful to those who rub against doorknobs :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'i'm not american but are the republican candidates just particularly bad this time around?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean there is a time when they are not bad?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'bad??? hrm...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yes, and yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'particularly bad'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean yes and no'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are par for the course, Havoks :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Woot, havoks is here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fun thing is to watch the donald trying to be a kingmaker :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'is there such a thing as a good politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh god that was hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'define good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can you spell oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'll give a good politician, Gabbie Giffords.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'wouldnt know. havent met one yet...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Google it if you don't know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she is no longer a politician, so that makes here excellent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'the one that got shot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before she was shot I would worry she knew where my wallet was. I no longer worry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what made/makes her a good politician'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I would've said Anthony Weiner about 8 months ago...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what do you mean, anaristos?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@havoks, caring about her neighbors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean I don't trust any politician.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka knows where the wallet is
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Dude, where's my wallet?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that sounds helpful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'odd that she was on the targeted list of politcians that the sara palin camp put out, on the pamphlet that invited followers to "reload"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i mean, if you don't know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are looking for your wallet, ask your congressman :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'my sister said that obama is "the coolest president" the US has had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'but i reminded her that clinton played the sax'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that should be a nationwide campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'that's pretty cool'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ooh, Stretcher is going for the conspiracy theory.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I heard a funny quote the other day, "Blows jobs are better than NO jobs."'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, Palin, I like. I can think of oodles of thing I'd do to her :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'a crazy person shot giffords, so i doubt that it was the reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'clinton is one of the most charismatic people i have ever met...regardless of his marital issues i liked the guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'not conspiracy, but still an unintended effect they should have taken more responsibility for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'crazy people listen to the media too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, let's see. A crazy person shot Cleveland, Kennedy, Reagan, Wallace, and RFK.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so media hype should be more civil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its not a good idea to put out a pamphlet with politicians names and targets on their districts, with the suggestion to rearm and reload'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'media hype can be considered to be responsible for some cases of insanity all by itself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'right on stretcher'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'hrm...what about lincoln?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the media is piece of shit. Remember the 96 Olympics?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'irresponsible IMO'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: '96 olympics... remind me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Lincoln is iffy. The jury is still out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'there were two countries when lincoln got did, if the CSA put out some hit stuff oh well, the US does it other countries leaders, but we shouldnt do that to ourselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing makes me think of spirituality is how can a single person be so rotten and directly exploit countless other's lives for his own amusement and purposes, and rest assured about anything around him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the security guard who saved people's ass with the bomb? Then he became an FBI person of interest and the media raped him? When it was found out that, in fact, he had be a hero of sorts the media didn't even bother to apologize for their literary lynching.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'anyway, in the palin - giffords case, palin and her advertising people should have accepted indirect responsibility for a badly planned marketing campaign'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'plus that was 1865(?) i hope we are more civilized now'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they actually have inner peace?  i don't feel very good when i do minor thing's for instance, they must have something like that going on in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'instead they try to spin it that critics are accusing her of planning the whole thing... ridiculous spin'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please don't use words like "civilized" in mixed company, Stretcher.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yeah it was really tacky in a "some people got shot" way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher apologizes by exposing his genitals
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i wasn't paying attention in 96... i only vaguely remember the incident'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'olympic bombing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'atlanta bombing'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, i know, but the details... i'll have to look up'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it was a media circus, they camped at his house, I mean. The world media was so thick around his home he couldn't spit without hitting a camera man. I dug into his life, they turned every little incident into a meaningful clue as to his evilness, they raped him.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'like the anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, the non-anthrax guy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'makes you think that the next time someone sees a bomb, they will quietly walk away :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd like to see what they see with their mind makes them feel so good about how they get by in life, it must be quite the indifferent horror show'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of crazy people shooting politicians... While I am sure that they are deeply sadden by the unfolding events, the other guys sure as hell take advantage of the political windfall such an act brings about :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, yeah, everyone was disgusting there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm crazy, my sayings aren't linked to any individual, they're maybe common to most of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, LBJ didn't say, "Hey, you shot Kennedy? Well, fuck you, I am not going to take the presidency, asshole".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but it was sort of understandable to me... when palin and her groupies didn't acknowledge any sort of bad decision making, that it would get the other side angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'LBJ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'but, they wanted to do that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'LBJ was VP when JFK was shot, Havoks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what does it stand for. i know it as lebron james'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lyndon Banes Johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lydon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lyndon baines johnson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Baines*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not that kind of crazy though, that kind of crazy is acting on your fear, mine is tearing it apart and finding it's reason before i decide that anything legitimate is worth doing for it - i see crazy in alot of places that people think are normal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'LBJ, must be a basketball player'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lyndon is a weird name to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, that should have raised suspicions!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Nixon didn't say "Well, do you think that just because you shot Wallace and removed the only obstacle I had I am going to continue running for president? Hell, no. I am quitting the campaign"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we just watched the kennedys mini series on netflix it was pretty entertaining'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thinking person knows that to solve a problem that exists through the ignorance of limitless other people, you can't use force to erase a problem, you can only attack an avatar of that tendency being reinforced by your action for later, grinding points'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Don't let the name fool you. Lyndon was worse than JR. :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I actually have a book from about 94 that has pictures of jfks corpse'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the morgue pictures are under suspicion, Shadowsdie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'the physical findings didn't concur with what the.govt had stated'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in my opinion, that's so long term though, so without the range of this one person's lifetime and ability to enforce perfectly into the world around them, computer's and dummying up people under them might solve this problem a bit for the one who can't accept the other way of doing things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'yeah because the autopsy exam had peeled his skull back'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'if you watch the video of him being.shot you.can see that the man who wrote the book seems to make more sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the biggest problem with the pictures is that they don't appear to show the extent of the wounds as verbally described in the autopsy, nor their location.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I believe he.could have done a great job with our country. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are still bitter about jesus being crucified, and i wonder how many of them ever met them or received any actual blessing that wasn't a misinterpretation of their own self-deception praised by a priest as being a miracle from an extraneous source beyond themself'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for one thing, the doctors described the scalp as being almost excised. Hanging by thin straps of skin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i just read the worst book i have ever read "a higher court" its supposed to be a fictional novel about a trial over whether god exists or not but it turned out to be religious drivel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'your right in the report they state that the neck wound wasn't even found until they found a bullet in his chest and the path lead to the neck'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds very Kafkaesque :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'due to a tracheaotomy idk if I spelt that right'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tracheotomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I honestly like the idea the Romans Greeks had'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it actually was a  tracheostomy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I enjoy the stories of Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what crimes did a 5 year old holodomor repeat in starving africa do in the eyes of Ma'at or Justice Scale?  for all are sinners, born dirty of a woman, that's quite the crime'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I have no idea.but you know what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to explain stuff, that makes so much sense that i can't even detail why like the lawyer of the saying'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I meant to just say Greek'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in the holy books though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they are similar but in one you just cut without intubating while with the other you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'It's hard to type on a not so smart phone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people contending with jesus saying they're not born of woman, but their father who art in heaven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Frankly, Druzil, Mary (or someone) came up with that story in order to justify the result of  overactive hormones :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'that's almost like saying you're under the.assumption that alah said ALL the virgins are female'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they come in lots of 72.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'penguins are sinner's, they're not as smart as the people destroying their habitat, new synthetic generations will be more maleable to man's cute toy poodle's made of plastic'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If I had to deal with 72 virgins I would certainly die, and by then I wouldn't care if I made it to heaven :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that sounds skind of gross to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'number 41, front!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all stinky and bloody and savage, who wants to have sex with 72 virgins'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'just work on your game and you can do it in real life'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I hope they have viagra in heaven.. for your sake'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'Yeah I'd rather have some ladies with experience'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and who's to say they are.human?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a tremendous drive to always finish a project :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'You're right, Shadows. What if they are Twi'lekian?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'ewww'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or gorillas'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylrig: 'I think I defniitely prefer the Twi'leks..'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what do you think Noah did for 40 days and 40 nights? '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'or halflings?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he fornicated with his daughters when they reached the dry land'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't remember it perfectly though, he held out until then'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'speaking of Noah, someone has actually published a book detailing the life of the real Noah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'he did nothing because he was a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'so anaristos. what you're saying is he actually drowned and the ark was his form of alahs heaven?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they always fornicated with their daughters, that was SOP in those days.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do find fish skeletons 2000 feet below the ground in some parts of america, indicating stuff like great flood maybe happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's 72 raisins you infidels!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'raisins as in shriveled grapes? or as in old saggy women'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after whatsherface turned to a pillar of salt, Lot's daughters got him drunk and had their ways with him. What they didn't know is that he didn't swallow as much wine as they thought he did. He was fairly sober.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love the Bible. Porn with an attitude :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'Greek mythology is theoretically porn... just with one main character zues'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Abraham getting his wife to show some skin for Nabukodonosor so that he relented and let them leave :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'at least greek mythology was kind enought to label itself a myth :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, no it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we now call it a myth'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jacob porking his maid because his wife was barren :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that was meant to be sarcastic....'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the greek thought is real :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'tis true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'I don't even know what a tick is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its a bug that pestors dogs'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Greek mythology was a big time scam. People used it to shed responsibility for their actions. Whenever they did something that would get them the needle in current society, they would just say that the gods made them do it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you mean like confession?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say that's true of all religions...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'unfortunately for my father that way of thinking is taboo'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'and the bibble differs how from that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Oh, I wasn't point to the bible in that respect. I was just mentioning the juicy parts :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Noah arc is Greek mythology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Pandora box also'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'and Pandora is mentioned I. the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'is*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of mythology was shared by many people. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Arabs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'animalia'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ironclad: 'Greek myth was way way before the bubble sorry '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched this show call cities of the underworld once, and they was in turkey or somewhere near there, at this old , second most famous ancient doctor's facility, he dealt with people's heads and stuff in spiritual healing they say - the priests would get people stoned on drugs and have them walk through this long tunnel with a stream trickling through by their feet - and from the roof of this tunnel are slots cut where the priests/doctors would whisper words they wanted installed in their minds down upon them thinking it'd be like hearing voices from god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'there is a theory that the bible was a conglomeration of stories from conquered regions of the world put together to give people something to share and not rebel against the conquerors'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'lots of that theory are proven'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this came to mind when i notice how some churches have those booth's set up, with a little speaking opening and a man you call father (through) on the other side, like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the story of genesis was stolen from the chaldeans'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they would point to african stories that are basically the same as noahs arc pre-dating the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'note the Catholic Trinity and comapre it to the Egyptian trinity which was brought by the Assyrians. Isis, Hours, and Osiris.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Horus*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the exodus from egypt, let my people go, did not happen to the jews. that story, too, was stolen'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and many parallels have been drawn between JC and Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shadowsdie: 'euro trip status'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly a place in ethiopea where the ark of the covenant might be too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'and lots of pagan stories too as they conquered northern europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Flood came from India. Which also has a trinity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some holy man watches over it for the last 500 or more years they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in India si called Trimurti.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a theory that the cultural clothing that are put on ideas like a trinity , one supreme being etc are just covering a deeper patern- this is archetypical theory '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said before, their is a published book detailing the "real" life of Noah. They still think that Ararat is near the place where he landed after the flood.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, it could flow the other way. Freud's Id, Ego and Alter Ego or psychoanalysis Parent, Child, Adult. One is copying the other, I don't actually know which direction it flows.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Egyptians were kind of kinky about theirs, though. Isis was Osiris' sister and wife, mother of Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ok I'm just playing favs now so I'll go Jung over Freud but interesting point '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think Jung discovered LSD before it became public :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, with all due respect, the man tittered at the edge :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are over 6600 type of hallucinagenic plants in the world and alomst all have been used in rituals '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have work to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've only tried 2200 :('
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some places i read/seen that they still do bad things with some rituals too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Bad things like overcharging for a dime bag.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with retuals is that they are rituals. The original act was probably quite beneficial, but as it was passed down through lore they screwed it up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they forget why they did what they did in the first place and substitute it with "let's do something, no matter what".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jews not eating pork, for instance. They stopped eating pork originally becuase trichinosis was running rampant. If you ask now days why they don't eat pork they will tell you that it is part of their religion. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but well cooke pork is essentially harmless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. bacon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I agree in part although what a few ppl have done since is tried to pare rituals down into constituent parts and rework them into simple usable and direct forms '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 5'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one advantage of rituals is that they require little thought. That has great appeal :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once something's mystified it's almost impossible to overcome'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is impossible to overcome if you don't analyze it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you could argue that since you may need to access a deeper mindset that the less thought in a ritual the better :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take modern day traffic lights. Police will give you at ticket for walking through a red light ad 4AM with a traffic density of .05 vehicles an hour. They invoke the rule without giving thought as to why the rule exists in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what makes it worse is that the light will take 15 minutes to change :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep damn those acolyte cops for not imprinting the significance of red=5=mars=sulphur= etc etc etc in thier subconscience so when they use red in their traffic light ritual it resonated on a deeper level !'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Tzadkiel in utter terror and horror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, English only on this channel, Tzadkiel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel  eats fake goths for breakfast :)
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a slightly serious not the whole this trinity is the same as that trinity is listed in a book called 777 by A Crowley , interesting stuff '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is a late comer.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very , just the only place I have seen it done across so many religons and in number form - used the Kabbalists tree of life as a base'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Frazers "The Golden Bough" is considered one of the earlier great works on the subject '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Hmmm, is it alright for schools to suspend students for dancing explicitly at dances?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. Keep your pants on you horny freaks!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav :(
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'school events are covered by school policy, which is pretty handy since schools can be sued if something were to happen to your kid there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Suspension is a little far though, they now have to put that on their college applications, removal from the dance seems more appropriate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Seriously. Teenagers do not make good decisions. Some do, I shouldn't say all, but frankly teen pregnancy is on the rise and it can cripple a life if not handled properly. Teenagers have proven they can't be trusted with overt sexuality and life-long decisions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not just teenagers. adults too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'will dancing less explicitly prevent sex?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I fully endorse Footlease in lieu of sex ed in schools.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...Footlease? Footloose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens have a valid medical reason for making theirs, though.  Their brains haven't finished developing yet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol grins evilly at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that leaves the adult population with a serious problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's true, teenagers are prone to making bad decisions because they don't have the brainpower yet to think through all the consequences.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and adults have it, and don't use it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think thats offensive hanslanda, its not that they dont have the capacity to think of the consequences, its that judgement of risk-reward is not developed (which is true scientifically)'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Faulty connections also lead to a proven dysfunction in reading other people's emotions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a different study, I think, Kongol.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'teens largely don't have the ability to determine unintended consequences, in addition to not being able to effectively judge them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'neither do adults. what's the point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'And is dancing explicitly the worst mistake you can make, i mean really, having to put the equivilant of sexual harassment on your college applications'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '? ... I... don't think those are the same, or considered the same at all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'harassment is probably better than indecency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i think you must see examples of dancing unexplicitly and dancing explicity, they are not to far off'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well I'm assuming if the school is reacting this harshly to it, it was probably 'explicit', as descriptive as that is, enough to warrant a response.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I probably wouldn't recognize the difference.  I've long since failed the innocence test and saw the magic penis appear'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Indeed, the problem was defiance truly, the student was warned several times before being suspended but almost every student that goes is warned once'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They were warned several times and kept going?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I bet he's regretting THAT now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'she and he '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But I mean, ok, I admit I was fucking with you earlier. That response is way too harsh for something as silly as teenagers being horny, it's what teenagers do. But my sympathy wavers if they were warned several times but kept going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'That individual student imo deserves it, but the principle of suspending students based upon dirty dancing is a stretch in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe. But if they're generous with the warnings beforehand, then the students get what they deserve.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If it was a 1 warning, then suspension. I'm with you, but by the 3rd warning, you should realize you've had your fun and wait for the after-dance party to grind.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'well grinding is perfectly fine, its bending over and grinding thats what we get in trouble for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well shit, it's a school function. You shouldn't even need a stated warning telling you that's going to get you in trouble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's just common sense.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'which we determined earlier teenagers lack :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And those two dancers just proved :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'heh private school's prom got shut down for it last year, cut the music and everything, while on a boat '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...was it a nautical themed dance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'define nautical'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of common sense, PETA v Seaworld just opened up in US District Judge Jeffrey Miller's courtroom.  He's going ahead with the case to determine whether civil rights apply to animals in captivity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'boat-related.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'i have no clue, cuthbert, it was a prom that was on a boat that's all i know'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's too bad, man. That's going to eat at me all night now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does the black man on the green mile symbolize john the baptist eating wild locusts and honey?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he plays the kingpin on daredevil too'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'he also is on two and a half men for a season'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white farmer called his daughters honey in the story, and he spat some locusts into percy who shot the guy the black man seen doing the crimes before he came to assist'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'be more interesting if it was like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I always saw him as a straight up Jesus allegory. He even dies for the sins of someone else.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus didn't die for the sins of someone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he died because it was the smartest thing to do politically'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, in a "everyone else, ever" sense he did? But I mean, it's a parallel, right? Not a copy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh ho ho, I see what you did there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well played.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the high priest of the jews in the start of the gospel story is the false prophet who is mentioned in revelation, his prophecy involved strategizing and telling his servants to socially engineer the crowd to save the murderer and kill jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pharisees and saducees are demonically possessed chiefs of demons'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, you hit his on switch.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's religion for you'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and therefore, what better way to get the vote of the crowd than to rush to your death?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mine's different than everybody elses'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media is like the crowd being engineered by the jew's servant's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus wasn't exactly a terrorist, but he rather thinks like one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i write my own interpretation of history and religion reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He thought like a leader, and frankly, is probably the most successful one in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the successful ones died of old age, Jesus decided to leave early.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Son of God or not, doesn't matter, that man started a movement that still picks up followers 2 millenia later.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gotta respect a guy who's good at what he does.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except religion is simply ancient politics'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'islam is a faster growing religion than christianity'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a murdering bishop selected the 4 authentic gospels 1600 years ago i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lies work just as well as historical accuracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'around the same time as islam and genghis khan used both'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in that respect, jesus is secong place'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Jesus is an ancient analog for Lady Gaga.  Everything he did was "handled".'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, Islam holds Jesus as one of their higher saints, and he's recognized as a prophet by the religion... at least last I heard.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the story faust mentions a israeli interpreted mephistopheles sending the doctor to the pope's bedroom for a meal and appearing as the angel gabriel to muhammed'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was written in 14th century germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So the rise of Islam is still the spread of the belief that Jesus was a prophet of god, your point just backs up my point :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not exactly. '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Moses was a much better and more effective leader.  He even looks like God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said he was the greatest due to conversion. if that is the basis, then mohammed trumos'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim keeps in mind that people are, and have always been, full of shit
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I... never brought up conversion rates?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you said as a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'getting lost for 40 years isn't all that effective leadership }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the G-summit's bring baphomet's mountain goat to mind, which is surrounded by riot police with rifles interpreted as the flaming mount that could not be touched in teh bible, where moses talked with the gods'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then jesus is second :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'baal-berith is one jehovah worshipped in the old testament'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the men are flames is a key to that metaphor, like the people are waters , moses parting the sea, god is not the author of confusion and the tower of babel confounding their speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In conversion rate? Not only was that never a point, but completely neglects volume in favor of speed. Faster rates != more followers, though, as I said, is so far from the original point that I'm not sure if you're trolling, or really just dumb enough to pick a fight about something that's going to get a lot of sensitive people pissed off :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'causing division, a temple divided against itself - how shall it stand?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have come to that spiritual place called egypt says jesus in teh gospel, like the eye on the pyramid on your dollar bills'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone trolls on Debate channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is like baal-berith some more, same cult that existed when the stories were written'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and clarify, waht is the original point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he demands human sacrifice, blood letting and other things'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The original point, if you'd read properly, was that the man started a movement that's still going 2 millena later. And that's worthy of respect, not a comparison of the two largest (I believe) religions in the world, and which leader was better. That's just... a dumb, dumb, dumb conversation to have in public.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can reason out how the world is so rotten through him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'odd. upon researching christianity, one finds that jesus was nto talked about for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'because it is a political story stolen from many that came before?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and who started te movement? i doubt it was him'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thousands'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early churh started the movement'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your research failed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things for sale with .99 cents added to their advertisements instead of an even number, scents and cents, makes sense doesn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arcane mystology'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just blowed my mind, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus married a hooker, and for the longest time the church took that to mean that hookery was a holy act.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just stated one of their building blocks'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'masonic monkeys or whatever their god is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no, christ as savior was not a big selling point of christianity for hundreds of years'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hanslanda's research was done by watching last temptation'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'last paragraph of the illumination of the adept '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really fail to see where you're going with this Ohm. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'how is he a great leader?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i say, not at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A leader is a face, not necessarily the ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he led, if the gospels are to be believed, 12 people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And, as I've stated simply several times now, 2000 years later, people still talk about him and his movement, no matter how altered, is still moving forward with him as the figurehead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but he is not leading this movement 2000 years later. the churches are'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still the CEO, if you will.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and they are getting well paod for this. not exactly something to be proud of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't read the gospels, if you think they say he lead 12 people...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what point are you trying to make cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's how.  A man goes up to Jesus and says "Hey you! Stop doing that or I'ma get primeval on yo' ass!".  Jesus can't very well just turn tail and run with so many people watching, so he ignores the guy.  The guy kills Jesus, and everyone else goes "Oh, shit, you killed Jesus! Die, infidel!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'debate so you think we should give george washington all of the credit for america still being here 200 years later?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not sure how many people, he led, then :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's still a leader, and a leader's success is based on his legacy in history.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'George Washington however, is not worshipped making your comparison moot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'except when the followers become evil hethens and crusade across the land right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'what then?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'worshipped or not, the man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'make believe figures can't lead anyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You don't follow George Washington anymore, people still follow Jesus believing the Bible is his word. The actual realities of the situation are moot as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpers_Ferry,_West_Virginia the war of 1812, prime minister stephen harper?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more masonic university frat club works'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they follow and invisible superhero who lives in outer space'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's when the scholars get busy, proving why the penned is mightier than the sword.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's the best you can do, Ohm? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Fail troll, dude.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that does not make someone a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'charles washington and thomas jefferson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'many followed zeus'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah man, don't even bother. Your credibility is shot since you're clearly just some dick hoping to troll some Christians.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'not believing in fictional characters does not make one a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Being a dick about it does '
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can almost hear english in finnish if you listen, they speak it faster though'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, look at what the bible scholars did to Moses.  Arguably one of the best military minds of all time (in fact, pretty much everyone is still using his maneuvers today), yet his entire life is depicted as a righteous defense of the wronged.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'use different words in english in place of common english'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not deing a dick'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And even if you don't believe in Christianity, lots of people don't and they're a LOT of good reasons not to... why be a dick about it? Nobody cares that you think God is a ridiculous concept.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just saying. a leader who is dead is no longer a leader'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone's using the "drown the enemy in a tidal wave" maneuver'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zane: 'there are lots of reasons to be a dick about christianity...what with it affecting our laws and standards'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you called jesus a leader. impossible. man is dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, his kids get to move on with his legacy, like people who worked for the stasi in ww2 war propaganda receiving all of the german wealth and passing it onto invest in our current day'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey you gotta admit if patton would've thought that he could beat the germans by using plagues of frogs and locusts the war might've ended sooner'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's evil money, but the evil man is gone and his kids have it now, so their business is legit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohm, that's pretty narrow minded of you. You're so eager to disagree that you aren't even making an attempt to understand, that's sad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'their is something wrong with a religion that brought witch trials in a world with millions of women dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, the numbers were in the thousands, not millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crack head sells a million tonnes of cocaine to your organized criminals and sends his children to american college , under new names registered with the government he owns, they're just hit it lucky'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are in the records of all of europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've got historians on my side man, you really want to pick that fight?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now he owns everything you work for'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's every rich man in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Go take some history classes, jesus, the witch trials did not kill millions. The population of Europe only numbered in the millions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol cuthbert sounds like a little kid'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what? one million?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the witch trials revived european economies'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I take it back, you aren't trolling. You just really are that... well, you.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you exhalt jesus but wont explain how this religion of your justified killing thousands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. just thousands died at witch trials. not millions'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because I don't need to justify it? I'm neither a Christian nor 'exalting' anything. The simple fact is that this man's name, and legacy, whether contrived or not still lives on 2000 years after his death. That's quite the impact, figurehead or not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in every foreign investors mind he has it that where he invests is at emnity with his great home and using any means neccessary to overtake it is just fine because this is a war that people don't know is being fought'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hey it wasn't jesus' fault that people killed in his name, it's not like he was alive leading them at that time ... oh wai...'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking for judas iscariots to work for the jews'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do agree with you on that point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i will not go so far as to say he is a leader.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Are you really so ignorant that you think just because someone dies, but others still follow his teachings, that they aren't following him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'are you so ignorant to think a dead man can lead the living?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, do you REALLY need to physically be there to be followed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'others take the reigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In his name.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'only way it stays alive'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if others take the reigns, then the other lead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in his name maybe, but still a new mans bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in his name or not, he no longer needs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'leads*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But in his name. That's the part you guys aren't picked up on here. It's not who's leading, but who people are following.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er, picking up on here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with Ohm, jesus is not the leader here'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. i see where we disagree. no need to attack each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Good for you, Khaim, that your first big boy opinion? :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'its the people who profit from the story who continue to propagate it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but the real problem is not in jesus or yahweh or anyone. its the people you profit from it'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a commandment in the old testament that jews use gods to dominate other nation's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just toys to them, cause they think they know what they're made of'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what is the origin of yaweh anyway? a caananite mountain god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real god would understand people's atheist attitudes towards believing in a lie the some jew invented'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anthitheism*'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to invent your own lies i figure'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least then you can give them more detail and weight'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh all history is conjecture and lies anyway, told by the decendants of the victors. everything besides archeo/paleontological remains that is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even that is up for debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd in an age of science and reason, people still turn to religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'media is powerful'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sure is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe my uncle's saying that the germans were just like us and my other uncles traumatization at world war 2's training facility meant that mostly it was only soldiers being exterminated in the death camps there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'people have a hard time directing thier own lives once given ultimate freedom'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Religion has been around since the dawn of written history, and even oral history carries a religous tone. Religion, or the need for the spiritual, is a part of who we are.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe soldiers was given orders to murder eachother and cause casualties of war as they thin the herd across the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure how it all went, but i don't believe what i didn't witness first hand, and not many people survived to know it all'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll consider it, but not believe it like god'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they gave a shit about not repeating the holocaust then the world wouldn't have been like it is today'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When the current religions die out eventually, new ones will pop up to replace them. I have no doubt of that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, history has shown you are right on that one, Cuthbert'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druz. Cuthbert= i am with ya man, but the origins of that might be lost to us. seems most likely religious/spiritual experience stems strongly from ancient plant psychedelic use. which was then of course labelled heresy and exterminated wherever found by the growing powers that be and had been in the church. much of the reason reasoning people are so angry with christianity, and the similar beliefs used to turn people into killers'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in all fairness, very early christians were quite peaceful. it was not until a unified group of financially motivated interests that it became radically different'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. evidence points also to the idea that such 'financial interests'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'go back to egypt'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or before'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a nazi or anything, just saying, and since it's a crime to say maybe you see your own nazism'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't immortalize mortal crime's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look for the philosophy that spawned them'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the oddest thing about real early converts to christianity was the rejected the importance of material possessions and lived in caves and stuff, away from people, being peaceful. interesting, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'like buddhists. although there is even evidence that early buddhists at one time killed off shamanic tribes in the area. but who knows'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bun poh demonology i heard about on pbs has alot to do with buddhism, in nepal'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or bon poh however that sounds'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'demonology and buddhism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still do it a little bit, blood sacrifices to their demon's'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a book called naval of the demoness about some of that'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is these organizations use these beliefs to promote racism and elietism against people they can take wealth from'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i thought that was more of a christian-esque doctrine'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course it is, do you notice that dr.phil and oprah don't spend time disseminating miss cleo psychic advertisements and the pornographic industry where prostitution is illegal, while they do any original people's controversial / undesireable opinion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high priest of jewsus speaks again'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations addicted to criminalized substances'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'institutionalized charlie manson'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think those two spend their time pandering to the masses to get paid. not much original thought, there'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's hilarious how people notice these discrepencies but don't hold their perpetrator's accountable under national defense law'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the nation trying to defend?  now the government takes on it's shepherds hue'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'as if things arent dystopic enough over here, we feel its our duty to run amok across the globe funding endless struggle'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tension and pain is some people's religion, usually they don't take any themselves though, they delight in others'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems more logical, and in line with history, that we indeed do not feel this way'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but that our resources are usurped'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Prior to the 20th century, it was a commonly-held belief that nature itself was simple and that simpler hypotheses about nature were thus more likely to be true. This notion was deeply rooted in the aesthetic value simplicity holds for human thought and the justifications presented for it often drew from theology. Thomas Aquinas made this argument in the 13th century, writing, "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do it by means of several'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffices."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor now like the destruction of the world for sending jobs to cheap labour places with all of the minerals and water pollution of your country so you can drive a car and use their byproducts, this way of thing's is smart because occam's razor is smart and man's creations are natural, like the formation of potash over 1.5 billion years under places where life exists on the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that story here we be tygers is pretty cool to consider too, subliminal mind control submemories that people act upon'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think they still use occams razor in debates on the high school and college level'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'xactly, like they teach greek mythology in grade 10 english class while a 12 year old greek boy doesn't know who zeus is'
T3/r6/2012-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do those twice as fast as the others.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '30 Minutes until the anouncment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In about 10 minutes, gay people throughout the western part of the United States are going to find out whether or not they will be able to get married.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suprise suprise Obama decides to accept super pac funding ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'colbert's PAC?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure which one '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just caught the CBS headlines '
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'well, romney is kicking ass as a front runner tonight'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'err, i mean 3rd runner'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also ranner?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'let me just google santorum to see how he's doing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they should get a big L tattooed on their foreheads :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they are clowning around with the nominations, Obama has hit 50% rating for the first time, with a bullet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i'm sure these marshmallow gun photos should help'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/obama-marshmallow-cannon-joey-hudy_n_1260850.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'below... is Trump going to nominate Ann Coulter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his wig must be affecting his brain :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guh, on ALL of these commercials where the woman is depressed and/or can't stop smoking, they ALL HAVE KIDS.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Umm, hello moo, no wonder you're fucking depressed and stressed out.  If you hadn't shat those kids out of your filthy twat, maybe you wouldn't be so messed up!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fun fact. The *actors* on those commercials aren't actually depressed people o.0'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, but they're depicted as being depressed, and they always have a little ratpack of brats biting at their heels'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Which means the commercials are being marketed to breeders'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think the implication is if you don't have kids you don't matter, and may as well off yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i think politically correct term is bakers'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You should probably google 'famous people who never had kids' and then tell some of them to 'just off themselves''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'what, just because i'm concerned about political correctness?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And yes, we childfree already know we don't matter, the (lack of) tax credits for not loaf shitting drive that point home.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are we back to this again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: '"we" arent.....you know who is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Vakieh, with all due respect, if you don't have any kids you are failing humanity. Since that is the primary person for anyone being alive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'primary reason*'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the primary 'evolutionary' reason. I don't give a fuck, personally'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'thank god for cloning... soon none of us will be needed at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it doesn't matter we have enough gene samples :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If I have kids it will be because I want them for rational reasons, not because some chemicals popped and said I should have some'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Reason is just a certain chemical popping.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, fool yourself into believing that :) If you have kids is because you are obeying your prime directive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, reason is my electrochemical interpretation of signals. Not a simple chemical reaction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i doubt you know what reason is at the chemical level'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or electrical'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having studied neural networking, I kinda do...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that thinking (which is required to decide what is reasonable) is not a chemical production.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you may know a theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just find it amusing that these commercials are being marketed to depressed breeders.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything the body does is a function of its chemistry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, if having kids is that awful, why do it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we could ask your parents that, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, personally, I wouldn't want to reopen that wound :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, they will probably wonder why they did it too'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can't answer the question, I think they were insane.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Especially because, after me, they had another one.  Yikes!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If at first you fail...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I am sure countless people have. Simply put, while individually we may wonder, statistically we are fulfilling the racial imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there's always another donut in the frying pan'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean loaf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'oh no you dint'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why does the 'racial imperitave' need to decide for you though?  Why can't you just decide to do what you want to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how imperatives work, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah well, I am going to bed now.  I don't envy you folks who are going to sacrifice your lives on the altar of parenthood, best of luck to you, and enjoy the free tax dollars :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Racial imperative implies a destiny and will that simply does not exist in evolution, however it might look in hindsight.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If all of a sudden, nobody had kids, you know what happens? We die out. Plain and simple. Universe keeps going, uncaring.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're not in danger of dying out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That is an old bingo, please be more creative'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'statistically we don't have a choice, though we may have one individually. As far as the race is concerned, if you choose to not to propagate your genes, it doesn't matter statistically. If it ever does, then humanity will take another turn, maybe into extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is like rolling 100 balls down a maze, and 1 makes it all the way through. You might say that ball had a 'directional imperative' to succeed. You would be wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, it matters on perhaps a 1/7billion level statitically...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that the human race has continued for millions of years randomly. Think about that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It just blows my mind that most of you can't see beyond your mindset and realize that you are in no way obligated to destroy your lives by becoming boring, vapid, depressed parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed I do. As does most of the scientific community.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the human race can be compared to a river, a particular drop of water may choose to follow another path, but the flow of the river indicates the overwhelming choice of the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it blows my mind that try to impose your views on everyone else because you dont "want" children'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I not only don't want them, I don't want to deal with yours either ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the water drops decided to go their own separate way, there would be no river. As long as there is a river there exists an imperative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i know the solution but its cruel :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think imperative means what you think it means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kill your kids?  I wish.  Alas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'close'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hmm, Ucla sounds like a typical breeder to me!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think that imperative means what you think it means. The human race (and any other thing alive, for that matter) has an imperative to perpetuate itself, your wishes notwithstanding. Even by refusing to mate you are influencing the makeup of the human race.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'starling sounds like a depressed, lonely, barren female to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, my job is pretty depressing, BUT at least I don't need to spend the money on some little shitting, vomiting fleshbricks'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That implies a goal which only exists in the mind of the people thinking about the future - there is no goal to evolution, only happenstance and trends.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the difference is i think you are entitled to opinion you obviously think no one else is....but i guess thats what trolling is for'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all you are doing is subtracting your genes from the pool and because there are enough humans around you have the luxury to refuse to mate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would have the luxury either way - because it doesn't mean shit to anything if the human race lives or dies'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'anyway, q complete, keep filing those dependent exemptions! :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'goodnight!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you really come off as just the opposite of what you pretend....you come off as someone who really wants kids but is too crazy to do anything about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Vakieh, it is a historical fact that after a catastrophe (wars are included in this) the birth rate goes up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think it is a coincidence?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes - because people feel the need to procreate, not to mention the 'soldiers coming home' effect - this does not in any way make it a guaranteed thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It also doesn't mean squat to the argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reduced return of a male population is what triggers it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the trigger is not psychological is chemical.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though there really is no need for a distinction :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans have evolved certain triggers, as a natural result of our evolution. It is our *past*,  not our intended future, which dictates our likely responses'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, it is ok if you don't procreate. It probably means that there is something wrong with your genes :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wrong? Says who? You again imply goals that exist only in your head'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, humans have evolved above their animalism, have they. We are no longer animals we are uber beings with no instinct. Sure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is perpetuation of a species a good thing? The atoms that make up our dna don't give a shit, so who does?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the human ego is an amazing thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the perpetuation of a species is neither good nor bad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instinct is the result of random genetic trends. It STILL has no goal, only the luck of the circumstances that produced it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Those with perpetuating trends perpetuated, those without didn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has a proven statistical goal. When that goal ceases to exist so does the species.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where does the goal come from?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, I agree with you. So if you represent the new trend in humans, we are headed for extinction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is part of the chemical makeup of the organism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I never said I didn't want kids. I said if/when I have them, it will be because of a decision I made to do so, based on my rational assessment of circumstances, as opposed to popping one out becasue instinct says I should'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'chemical reactions are triggered by environmental factors which causes the species to behave statistically in certain way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes. Based on the past, with no regard for the future beyond random chance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they tend to keep going, because those *before* them kept going'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter why you want to have kids, as long as you have them. Humanity is not proud, humanity just wants to keep going.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humanity doesn't *want* anything - it simply is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know of any living bloc that has chosen to cease to exist.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, now you want to play with semantics.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically they keep breeding, because they inherit the genes that say breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The ones without the breeding genes don't breed'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, and probably because they would contaminate the gene pool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It still doesn't mean there is a 'want' for any of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shit just happens, there is no pull factors, only push'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not want in the same that you want to eat at mcdonald's, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so people don't make any decisions, just genes do'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'good to know we're living in the matrix'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'shit may just happen, but shit that happens in an statistical fashion consistently is called a drive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'none of will ever know the answer to that question'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however you choose to breed, whether it is because you smelled the female or because you had a poetic vision of the future, doesn't matter. As long as you breed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, I have an AVL tree to balance :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a woman sues city for $900 trillion for improperly placing her kids in foster care.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least it wasn't a gergillionz'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda takes a long lick from his trollipop.  Yum!
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'vamps do!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be: a, ante, bajo, con, contra, de, desde, en, entre, hasta, hacia, para, por, segzn, sin, sobre, tras.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just had a thought.. often when i voice dissenting opinions on pop culture, politics, religion, etc. the other party tells me to just be happy I live in America where I can voice such opinions without being killed or restrained. As if this is an excuse to not rise to the occasion. It takes effort and a lot of time to become versed in any single topic. So.. I argue that now is not the time for complacency and enjoying the rewards of living in the first world, now is the time to be most vigilant. We have grown confident in our security and freedomes, while they are erroding away from lack of care and maintanence.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'have a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thoughts are cheap:p'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. but... we need all we can get lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and maybe you hint a deeper notion as well... thoughts are thought of as cheap, sometimes worthless by many. what if we lived in a world where all ideas were cherished'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'revered by all for what they teach us'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'texts like these should be as transient as if you flap your mouth on the street, nobody probably has a tape recorder and is going to remember everything you say'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone else read that old book by Robert A Heinlien: Stranger in a Strange Land?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these themselves are going to becoming a violation of you free speech'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah, heinlein is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the moon is a harsh mistress, is one of my favorites'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not published on a webpage, or written in a book, it's different'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'god i love that book. going to read harsh mistress next. but that one really got me thinking. we are all so powerfull but most of us seem to just not care, or even know!'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think my favourite of his was citizen of the galaxy though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim takes notes
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just discoverd him recently, finding out he wrote starship troopers lol '
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, the book is so much better than that movie.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so epic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Such a massive difference between the book and movie'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a reason the book is required reading at a lot of the military academies :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'sometimes reminded me of plato and socratese. he laid out an entire system of politics in there..'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'simply brillliant i thought'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'citizen, though, is the one I read and reread constantly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. ill have to check that out'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'one last note here, to touch on my original point. I think that is why i find so much comfort in online interactions, usually in mmo games which require a high level of aptitude, becauase that is where you meet free thinking, educated people. people who help me validate the conflicting thoughts and emotions that the hysteric mass public view as hysteria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's easier for like to seek like online'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should facebook have to pay out the wages/twitter of everybody who posted something opiniated to their friends, who's friends didn't inform the boss, which was about the boss, resulting in unemployment, be reimbursed by facebook/twitter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they should have made it secure by default'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least with a nice obvious dialogue with the user'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why the hell should facebook reimburse because people are stupid?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why make facebook all easy instead of for smart people?  stupid people can learn how to click ok on windows'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I hardly think that it's for 'smart people''
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'regardless, you should never assume that anything you post on the internet is private ... your friend could always have taken a screenshot and given it to your boss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea privacy and internet are antonyms lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeayea, trojan's and keyloggers aside man in the middle etc, the rest if offering a public service with a profit margin you should expect such lawsuits'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'expect, maybe, that doesn't mean that I think said lawsuits have any merit whatsoever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have all the merit in the world if it was the other way around, depends who your lawyer is'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i dont disagree druzil. the people are stupid for behaving as such, and facebook is stupid for not thinking about the very real possibilies inherent in a throwing peoples data around'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I do disagree. I think we have too many 'they failed to protect me from my own stupidity' lawsuits as is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the smart stupid equilibrium again'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all i know for sure is that i really, truly hate that Rick Santorum...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like your godwins law'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the average iq of facebook users and who does it mainly target, then what interface was offered to that percentage to avoid snoopy bosses?'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can almost guarantee they have a rough estimate stored somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i wouldnt be surprised'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'dont forget it was created by an antisocial little nitwit who just wanted to humiliate others to make himself feel a little better after being dumped by his girlfriend.. or so the movie tells us lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's like asking what percentage of users who bought a superman cape genuinely thought it would make them able to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'What, it doesn't?!!! Darn it, and the guy at the store was so convincing too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas will stop building that launch platform now...
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There was a kid at my university who thought eating mushrooms would grant him the power to fly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They didn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I rode by bike to the area the next day to check out the impact crater'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim refers to Bill Hicks commentary
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah yeah, superman hysteria but don't jump off any buildings -> 13 aug 1996 http://books.google.com.jm/books/about/Weekly_World_News.html?id=jPEDAAAAMBAJ The trial of a 14-year-old boy who killed a 7-year-old acquaintance and then boiled his flesh in what his lawyer said was an imitation of the movie "Warlock" has renewed the debate in Canada over links between violence on screen and in real life.  http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-21/news/mn-17151_1_gruesome-killing'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who aren't seriously fucked up don't do that shit regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such things i guess are inevitable, but it's not everyday you see a story on the national news or a documentary on a national station about the phenomenon'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow...'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 year olds who ARE seriously fucked up are going to do fucked up things regardless of what they see.'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point Majic'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and im kinda with hicks, let the morons die off'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'natural selection lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats heartless and cruel, but i kinda like it'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they usually take some innocents with them, like josh powell'
T3/r6/2012-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i could incite a riot who cares about the boy who was innocent and was killed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fact is i guess.. life is suffering, and shit happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, not all shit has to happen though, it's not all natural, and human social system's aren't justified by animals and doctor's who say evil doesn't exist, does a doctor who doesn't know the definition of wrong make sense to trust with what's good for you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fairness need not apply. we just do the best we can. i think where we need attention is when people (in power) CHOOSE to not do what is most fair and beneficial for thier own personal gain'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's your natural selection algorithm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I am with ya druzil. there are people polluting the waters and we need to stop them lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim grabs his pitchfork and bellows 'WHO'S WITH ME?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim listens to the crickets a moment and sits back down
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should start asking doctors to define what is wrong for the crowd before the judges hand them their phd'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no notes allowed'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. morals and empathy should be tested'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'on top of knowhow and educations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think too'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'anyone can learn a task or solution. but those tools and the responsibility they come with shouldnt be given lightly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'unfortunately most of the world is massively short on doctor's, adding more barriers to entry isn't a very good idea.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'point taken Ave, but i wonder if the shortage has anything to do with the lack of proper focus in our society? why is nascar and the nfl prized more highly than mathematics? why is religion held as superior, and indeed sometimes a reason to ignore science?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there could be better ways of making doctor's in the country, like government sponsored university program's for any kid in any school in the country who the teacher isn't working for the enemy with the principal/staff and the region's education council could opt in, if that's what they want to do, and with that as a possibility the student tries the subjects, if what's relevant is ok marks and they have the aptitude they could become a doctor'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '800,000 dollar bill's is what turns most people off education, i bet not many ghetto kid's get an opportunity to go to school, or trailer park kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed Druzil, we need more focus on science'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deflation style'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim nods sadly
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society's too uptight with their knowledge and teaching'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money != smart'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems many people are afraid of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'first off we need to reform the banks. fucking loose all of them the rotten fucks. then create a resource based monetary system that noone can just move decimal places around in, and then we can get to work on creating our galactic, utopian society lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read somewhere that north dakota developed it's own state bank, and was the only growing economy in america one year, sort of immune to the downfall the rest of the country got'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'state banks/local banks make sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeedy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'some towns have even taking to minting thier own moneis'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'monies*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'their*'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre' stealing canadas oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'north dakota might be, they're with cenova energy pumping carbon into weyburn'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'whats that modi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'estevan's the highest ratio of millionaires:population in canada, that's north of minot a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'north dakoda is pumping oil like crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ohh gawd pollution is the most heinous form of corporate/state evil. everyone should be hanged'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( wouldn't you have to hang the cows too? )
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'no they can live. but their owners have to go XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, be happy you live in america... wher you're free to flee to canada!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea gas prices have gone down a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'gas is such a huge issue.. and working for a car dealership makes me feel like such a hypocrite lol. but i recognize that we need to transport ourselves, everyone buys cars, and will buy a car.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cenovus doesn't want covering up the pollution caused by the carbon capture project in weyburn with their scientist pseudo phd and media smiling and nodding to be considered by people considering the rest of their publicity campaigns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they invented electric car's as early as 1885 - rover corporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they also had more fuel efficient gasoline cars in 1957'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh yea, and we discovered electrolosys right after discovering electricity lol. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were prototype model's though, not released to the wide public'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better public transport would be nice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. i even heard there was a deisel in the 70's that got over 70 mpg, but was disconinued'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not better for oil dealers'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Modi person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'just like the oil drillers and weyburn modi :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol history does tend to repeat itself dont it? i often like to comment in public that if america wasnt run by evil elitists behind the scenes, then we would be the first exception in all of known human history'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that lived very long anyway :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not run by, funded by'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'same thing lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'with worthless paper money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'traded toward our valuable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea it's not our fault, it is what it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true. and there is that saying again that i hear so often since moving to the midwest "it is what it is" often used to evade the mental effort of actual understanding'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if most people weren't cowards among the oppressed across the globe then those who oppress them against their will would have support to be a vice to the one's who caused them to be as they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing everywhere people understand is oppression, i don't know of a single 100 mi/2 except maybe in extreme places like antarctica where that isn't the case'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if most people understood the ability they have as a whole , maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed.. why do you think we tend to accept it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that always makes me angry thinkin about it, watchin how the oppressors treat people, they wouldn't be doing that if people weeded them from their ranks'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, like they are so blatant and arrogant about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the oppressor's thrown into a cage or something nice like that, i watch some crime happening and that comes to mind, what makes this greasy little man think he's god?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'initiation into secret societies and organizations help with this i think. i know from what i experienced in the military myself, there are ancient well honed techniques for building personality types'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the hateworthy ones survive i guess?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would argue that some, if not most people can be MADE hateful, and hateworthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about indian gangs in the city cutting the heel of women and raping them for initiation among other things, never forgot about it, maybe it's not always like that though, or maybe not ever and i just heard it - but i heard of other gangs doing similar, so it's probably pretty universal kind of stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some porn sites you can go to and watch the university girls being initiated into the frat's all whored up, college girls, some claim to be real'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea, that stuff just doesnt seem to register for me either, but they are universal archetypes'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't want somebody like that running my bank or managing my property'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol but those are the breeding grounds (literally) of our world leaders LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty un-natural selection for the mind's that have a idea of what is evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you mean people who have experienced suffering like you mentioned, yet still choose this culture?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, selecting world leader's from a subculture that tests it's members loyalty through things like that - that's negligent to everybody who wasn't a member of their club, and un-neccessary in a democratic nation'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh. indeed. its truly infuriating'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the australian soldiers get locked into a cage for 2 weeks before being sent to vietnam or korea - ok so they might be caught by khmer rouge, not guaranteed though, and the real thing is probably different from the preparations - then i fail to see how this prequel paid off when it actually happened - it wasn't neccessary for survival, survival happened before you reached the cage, is torture neccessary for war preparation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i mean, goddamn. how long have we had the InterWeb now???'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since about 1995 popularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in year 2000 you had to look real hard for pornography, the rest of the decade's pretty easy though - maybe this has to do with initiating the minds before the group tests them'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think you have to be tortured to use your imagination's predestination of torture to know what it's about and extrapolate what it would feel like, and then possibly have that blown out of proportion in a greater fear than your time in the cage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'didnt know about the aussi soldiers... but i can speak from my own experience that yes, that stuff is considered necessary for war preparation. i think it is also beneficial to an extent. the men who you plan to send into the most hostile environment deserve the hardest and most hostile training to prepare them. within reason of course. but i found myself respecting the men who I knew were pushing me harder than I would likely have to push myself in a real combat situation. I would rather the real thing be LESS traumatic than the preparation if possible lol. luckily I never went overseas to find out if this was true, but it is what we were taught'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've compared real pain and pleasure to the real thing though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or rather my consideration of it before it happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'often the mind's stress at it's own version is greater than the body's satisfaction or suffering at the actual thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i agree with ya there also, samurai would meditate upon thier own death regularly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'how it would happen, feeling the blade in thier flesh best they could imagine'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and i also agree that torture techniques are far and away from what I recieved, which was simple hard vigorous training :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'testing your fortitude doing manual labor with little sleep week after week, but being overly hydrated and well fed, is one thing. being locked in a box is completely another'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'doesnt sound like good training at all imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home people die in training every now and then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'couple kids killed themselves when i was in training.. another couple tried to, and 1 kid died of asthma during a run, he had lied about having  it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a number died from runs, one guy died during pow training...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the last is understandable as long as the driller didn't force him against his current calamity to keep on going'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'wow Sonshi, where was this?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea druz, my opinion on the matter was that it was because kids who were obviously not fit for training were sent to the most difficult boot camp in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was dunked in water or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ok. wow.. maybe my bootcamp wasnt quite as hard as yours XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we never got actual torture training.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he was a commando. 19 years old, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we trained in not getting captured and tortured, and wilderness survival mostly'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh, yea i never did any high level stuff like that, got out early thank goodness lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of stories about the crazy commando people are told back home...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i would love to hear those stories lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'during basic training, our section commander told us about these commandos training in taiwan or something like that... CO was unhappy with the litter left behind, told them to pick up the rubbish, assembled them, and told them to put the litter they picked up... in their mouth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'damn..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, this other time, they killed 4 hijackers in 30s with no injuries to the hostages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I once spit while being punished and 'slayed' in the dirt, they made me grab the spittle and mud and put it in my pockets LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_Flight_117'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't had a hijacking since then...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim adds the forces of Malaysia to his list of armies the US does NOT want to fuck with. right under the Korean Rock Marines
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, our army tries to make sure we can beat malaysia...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if anything were to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ahh yes, makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a sort of neutral position... both chinese and american warships use our ports from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea docking in singapore is thought highly of in the US navy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once the soviets (way back when) apparently complained that we were allowing the americans to use our port... we replied that it was a commericial arrangement, and they could too, for a price...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao nice'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we're probably the most heavily armed country to never have fought a war...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hey, nothing to be ashamed of :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good thing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'managed to push out the brits with words rather than guns'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even the Dalai Lama himself wishes tibet had had military forces..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do... just not on their side!'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'a strong military is a necessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh thats cold man lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china is formed from many different quasi-national regions, after all'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true, and it is kinda the way they have always done business..'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give one autonomy, and the other one point something billion people will want the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best way to dissolve the problem of nation's is for them all to expose transparency with their people at once and make is so that eventually their people govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a world without nations would be pretty good, but new world order isn't that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'deff a possibility with dah interenets'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd have it's problem's, but informed people would know where those were and what they're trading would make them disappear'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so how we going to do this? how do we tell everyone on the internet, right now, that they need to disregard thier governments?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nation's are the reason for war's, it's not civilians within them, they listen to what nation says when they have to be aware or be used as fuel for the war, everywhere's people who don't want war and fewer people who do, even though fewer is higher the more socially engineerable the citizen's are by their government's view on thing's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where dissent is considered lack of zeal'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greed's something too, i don't see much war's fought not fought by groups of people like a nation, or religion i guess, but usually they use nation as scapegoat and once becoming nation will do as nation done'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea... religious peeps tell me that me thinking they are nuts makes thier belief stronger... yet my path is valueless, even though i can present evidence for my beliefs, and the opposition i face proves me wrong instead of proving my faith... fuck that, most people thinking i am nuts DOES strengthen my beliefs lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's no answer, people's minds thinking of what would freedom be is good stuff though, if they had a desire to be free in mind, that's the main thing - freedom as offered by the world now isn't much of freedom, i think everywhere in the world is owned by one person or another - and where something is own something costs homage'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagining the world where you had a house and security offered by members of your neighbourhood which communicates with other neighbourhoods which forms a council of the city which communicates with other cities diplomates etc, which has a code of conduct that they look for adherance to among their members and a deviation allowance in the structure for things like what is allowable narcotics here, and is there a reason for them to send them elsewhere, is immigration made too difficult to stem that problem - voluntary society driven by neccessity'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a threat somewhere?  doesn't have to be defenseless'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you did nothing wrong in your own borders and moved towards that happening with your decisions, then no other government would have fault to see in you beyond their own evil eye'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'reminds me of the darknet communities in Daemon lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'large nations formed because small groups of people often found they couldn't defend themselves from bigger groups.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, but i already consider that in what i'm thinking of, it's not perfect but keeping freedom and defending it in mind, growing towards both becoming perfect - but away from oppression'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you do nothing to aggravate them, other large nations will take what you have if it were as easy as taking the proverbial candy from a child.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equality offered to all who can become equal in society, oppression not given to those who aren't unless they're like misfit's who want to terrorize'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'transient system's are possible to happen, the amount of people and servant's who keep them from happening is alot smallter than those who have no idea what it could be like, and those who are oppressed by tehm'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gotta be maleable though, except not to oppression to spreading above the newborn becoming equal, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course they would, that's evil running nation's, gotta make an example that good can be strong, and make known the reason's other's want to make war on the one doing good to the people who become their future soldiers - spreading information is easier than spreading bullets - making people understand through force doesn't work often either, that's slavery - and they hate that - as long as the opponent chooses en masse that they hate you for doing good, then you have yourself a proverbial devil to destroy'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim dons his demon hunting gear
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like they say how shangrila was, a nice peaceful mountain community, now the only way to live in a place like that might be to be a farmer who's kids want to go to school so they can have money, systematic and oppressive life day in and day out, lots of unemployment etc things that could be done to means end by the group instead of by the one's who won the ticket to the job - one person can make 2 sweater's an hour, another can make 1 in 3, both tried - now there's 4 sweater's for sale, working at a steady and maleable pace, does the one with 4 think the 1 with 1 wasn't trying and should have his pay slashed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 billion pepole want sweater's , so many make them, maybe they want 4 each, how long until completion and the extended chinese new year, since that job will be done and they can wait for a new one to surface, be it sweaters or otherwise?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wage slave's isn't the best kind of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'annual sweater day, make 8 sweaters each and tomorrow we can build some car's that aren't built to break - but do you even need to make that many?  how many do they make over in timbuktu or wherever else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world trade is one oppressive and sealed dysfunction'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not thought out as far as neccessity and comfort'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a few people, a few more as the population increases, but not for near as many as there should be - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim khaim thinks of a girl he adores in Syria
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol i always confuse the commands here, but yea man.. its sickening'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian and i'd have had no problem learning how to knit my own sweaters and sew my own clothing in school - whatever else, lots of thing's aren't done because people never had to do them for themselves, they're definitely not all happy as a result though - money doesn't mean happiness, if they all were given money then their skill would be going to the store, which is the skill of the rich now - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's been like that for maybe 8000 years, maybe longer'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even moses from 3500 years ago includes money in his 4 books as a way for the master to buy his way out of the punishment of god while the slave is put to death'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so from egypt money exists.. in guatemala there's possibly 7000 year old blocks that were carved at high precision one density below diamond'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a big long cage, fixing it would require alot of minds'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you guys figure they can do a national geographic film on shark bite's just a little bit west on the southern coast of south africa of a nation where they sacrifice children who they think are witches?  they cut a chicken's neck, bleed it on the floor, drop some rocks onto the blood on the floor, roll them around, and hold up a v - shaped sail in their hand looking for signs for what to do - and then with these pebbles they seem to throw onto the fire underneath a pot, and in the pot is meat - and this meat is thrown at the base of a tree with the broth - i just think it's strange that somebody can go down there and do their research / hobbies / vacation immune to thing's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like it's ok as long as it's there and doesn't come onto the tourism resort area's, but i don't know, it seems wrong still - just knowing what's going on a little bit to their east'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8PNxuhDS8 you might have to watch it twice to see what went on, but it's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the term " not in my back yard" comes to mind '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is this just another indicator of the selfish individualism the west seems to value ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of this stuff isn't reported much that i seen on american / canadian tv channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty morbid, but i see alot of pretty morbid things on tv, i'm not sure what their reason is'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and even if it was it would not be watched , "too uncomfortable"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd watch it, even if i don't like something that it exists requires confirmation some times'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are hardly the lowest common denominator the mass media tries to appeal to Dru '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course, people like horrible things though, i makes them feel good about themselves that they're not as other's and have a rejoicement with one another - even makes their world look better, while people're out shooting around the lowest denominator of gang violence somebody without a voice far away doesn't have the luxury of joining a gang'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do some witchcraft like that here too, but it's not as widely normal as there - we're kind of becoming into that brutality over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once it's fully integrated people probably won't know life without it, which might be their problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb imo those types of ritualised violence are about maintaining a status quo , they are not religon based but a form of social engeneering '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you see later on where the adults are worshipping the children?  and feeding into their young imaginary mind's with supplication?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pathetic, lots of them seem unpossessed in their movements - they don't seem to be trying to say anything with their movement's, they're just repeated'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look back at that boiling pot later on after you reach towards the end of the video, where you see the tree on the spokesman's wall - then look where they empty that pot, and what was the meat?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i mean about it's kind of distrubing, it'd be obvious to you probably though, unless they're just faking, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just a little bit to the west the national geographic film crew was concerned over a great white shark biting at 300 lbs whereas a hammerhead shark bites at 900'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've never even seen mention of real witchcraft as existing today on western media, except on one show called rituals, they go to bolivia and india and other places, on documentary channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in addition to starvation, that's a pretty big problem itself, but i don't think money will fix their government'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the more I read on micro economics the more convinced I am that the answer is in pre existing social fabric and smart funding and less involved in some blanket political system '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read something on bbc's report on south korea's suicide rate, that their people were alot more satisfied before their cultural identity was replaced with money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe thing's like that human sacrifice there could be programmed into people's minds and there was an identity before it, for instance'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'problem with Korea is they still suffer horrific cases of fan death...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fan deaths ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a chuch where jesus turned over the moneychangers table's and all who bought and sold in the church of the gospel, the vatican doesn't follow much in jesus footsteps'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In korea, if you leave a fan on while you are sleeping, or if there isn't an open door or window, you die. True Story.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps capital injection does not have to surpalnt social conventions and values , just fund them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to have preceded alot of the war on the native american's as missionary's for instance, while abusing them in orphanages and residential schools - as the new government installed their money'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad there's no real church of jesus on earth to call all the fake's what they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he's teacher, and not god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For there to be a real church of jesus, there would need to have been a real jesus, so there's your problem right there...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there doesn't even need to be a real jesus, he hated money this and that, there's a philosophy that the gospel says the son of god figured was the right way to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one chestnut at a time there Vaki =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he calls people dressed in rich garments and praying public as fallacy's'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they make god a joke by their actions and 'many are called but few follow' or 'wide are the gates of destruction, and many are they who enter therein''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of deceived people, led as sheep to the slaughter'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's no big deal, then there's 1.5 billion or so people who probably are deceived to some degree by a liar's version of god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at what people do for god, blowing themselves up and killin their own family'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statistically speaking, god's odds are pretty shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the god that proceeds from the liars tongue, maybe sometimes they deceive themselves and it's their own misunderstanding's fault, and also the unclear author of the bible who didn't include the meanings from the riddles'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Best case, liberal Christian and he gets a billion - if he's picky, however, or not Christian...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So God has a success rate of at MOST 1/7...I'd be getting a new manager if I was God's boss...'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo  most ppl really just want the easy answer - actually takes alot of effort to scratch through the religons offered and find something there. So much easier just to follw social convention '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i learned alot from searching, hinduism + the bible i gained alot of insight from, some of their books'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'didn't save me that i know of but helped me to escape deifying the bible at least and think over what it means instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get alot from the similarities between faiths , really looking forward to the comparative religon unti this year '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the catholic bishop who got excommunicated in california recently by the vatican for having a secret wife and 2 children - he was married, and the definition of bishop given in the gospel from the king james bible, is basically a priest with one wife'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so here they obviously don't expect ever to be held against the words in the gospel and answer the question'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since i read that book several times i can sometimes notice discongruety's like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo it would be hard to have a text written over such a long period and by so many diff authors and NOT have them disagree on some things '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand what they get for lying about what is a bishop, or openly defying it's definition and kicking one out - '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'married to mother church with children of rachel who's children were not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know how it goes, it's a mind bender'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from what I know about the Caths , if the pope said it , it's law , and if it aint in the bible its a papal bull, '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i guess, maybe the catholic version of bible has different bishop definition, timothy 3:2'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these word's are based basically on thought, they're nothing without meaning that's seen - they're not angels here, this is human's with tags given to them, do they live up to their tags?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so them not obeying this here mind of their's and the words they ascribe to it's foundation's, i wonder what they're up to'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much holy there, i wouldn't have faith in the priests in the exorcist having any power over real demon's, who may be smarter than they'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on a more general note I agree with clergy being removed from base pleasures at some point but ! it is natural to mate and procreate . In my book you mess with nature you are asking fer trouble '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's chaste priest and bishop with one wife and kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on is a kiddy fiddler and the other one is excommunicated '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's polygamy?  something they sell on Life tv and other channels'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still have eunuch's in india, gross as that is, they get their nuts snipped i think, and then worship'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how they got to that point is anybody's guess, they might know though'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen something about bombings on their gathering last november or so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or killings'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the killer has their own reasons too i imagine, maybe it's one of them upset that he lost his balls'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oops ! really sorry there ! me on at stereotypes again and being offensive in general , I'm not to be taken seriously there , I'm yet to learn how to approach that sort of thing  yet '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't loosing balls kinda make you more peacful ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this game's full of offensive people, it's no problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still have my balls for now, maybe some day i'll check it out, but i don't think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn gives you the bird...What an ass!
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each to their own, some people figured it's the right thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'queen of ethiopea had them eunuch slaves, went and visited jerusalem around the time of jesus'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a better way of approaching child sexual abuse within a system that has "chaste " priests than blanket accusing em of all being pervs '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again with the eunichs , some form of social control ? taking their "will" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read a letter once from a catholic priest in columbia or colombia how you spell it, when america was funding hundreds of millions of dollars in blanketing their land with herbicides that not only destroyed the lands ability to grow anything at all, hit the water and the air and made children sick - and the priest mentioned this to the white house '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blanket accuse them of protecting and shielding pervs'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course they may not all be evil, but nobody's perfect'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the white house ignored them of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were several consistency incongruities, bad suggestions, and insufficient labeling, in the previous debate discussion -- you fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only because we lacked your participation Zade , you know that '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'participation -- fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when fools rush in, soe angels decline to participate"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'judge not lest ye be judged yourself'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pot calling the kettle black"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shall the pot say unto the potter, 'why hast thou made me thus?''
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dammit Tzadkiel is an angel and I dare ! =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I fely SO gay then .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.. off to shower .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"even Lucifer attempts to appear as the angel of light"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he once was ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit Dru you've emasculated my femmaninity with all your eunich talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just remember not to head to FEMAland cause it's probably not as great as they say'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Federal Emergency Management Agency ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FEMA - tyranny waiting to happen'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aka the beauro of leave em in the stadiums , they is  black n looting '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '<-- is just being silly now '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan's called the bringer of light in the bible too, god is light and in him is no darkness at all - maybe he'd make a good teacher'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless the "god" of that bible is a "false" god'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a word on page'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to find out what it means, if anything at all's what i'm about'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sometimes ask chat rooms how come people in places like the middle east where allah command's them to kill, doesn't command it imself, instead using a priest and his understanding of what is allah?  omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient - is everywhere, nothing is impossible and knows this'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the fall of Lucifer marks the change from non dualism - "All is light" "Tao" etc to dualism "nesscary evil" " a coin defined by its opposite" etc ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if god wanted somebody to die instead of human wanting human to die using their ignorance of god as an excuse, wouldn't it be righteous to expect god to reveal his will without the use of your hands?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Q: "how do you know the Bible is true"  A: "because god inspired the bible".  Q: "how do you know god inspired the bible"  A: "because the Bible says so."'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah , a catch 21'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a circular argument, with unjustified extrapolations'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think the bible got copyright on catch 22 before Heller did =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if their god is these things, there's no need for a mediator priest, divining the spirit of god for those who can't, is there?  assuming god wanted them to know his will, it's a test of darkness i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the above allusion was not a valid example of "catch 22"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trolls for the sake of being green though ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to not kill nobody if you can help it i figure, otherwise you take that action with you to the grave, which maybe has that god who didn't reveal his will for you to do there to show you what you done wrong, and what could you do about that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the ancient egyptians have that picture where the dead place their heart on a scale and anubis places a feather on the other scale, and if the heart is heavier than the feather, then the dog eats it'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on death I love Crowleys conversation with an opium plant about death "the plant says "while you are alive and I am alive then we can be friends but if you kill me you are asking for trouble"'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to separate the meatheads from the ones who aren't so sure, one knows they're pretending , the others don't that they're being taken advantage of'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"best to not kill nobody" -- looks like a double negative in there'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meanwhile I'm stuck looking for a hooker in hotel orlando'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for cp purposes only you understand '
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all north'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'ROFL, Mitt Romney is having a phony $5 "win a chance to spend the day with Mitt" contest, presumably so has can say he has non rich donors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What's the difference between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'One's a practicing polygamist'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'the other's a Mormon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'I smirked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which republican candidate is likely to do the most damage to the USA: Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Romney, because he's the one that might actually get elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So how many of the people who are on right now are Americans anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'holy cow, tourists in Hawaii pay 11.5% in sales tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fuck LA'
T3/r6/2012-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'lame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada now allowing uranium companies to sell the 1/5 world supply of uranium from here to china alongside nigeria then, is this a decision made by you do things under the stupidity of money or else we take it by force?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're similar, shell is the government in nigeria too, i guess that's where the trends come from'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spread the cancer doesn't enter the government's mind under directance of their corporate traitors selling uranium to themselves to up their wealth'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every uranium rock crushed adds 1,500 years of cancer to the world, travelling over 1000 miles from the mining site'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Kirk or Janeway?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That isn't even a question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'star trek without kirk isn't star trek :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I kind of lost respect for Kirk when he let Sulu almost freeze to death on a planet, when the Enterprise's transporter was malfunctioning.  Janeway would never have forgotten that her ship was equiped with a shuttlecraft.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you cant compare v5 with v1'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Personally I never saw the appeal of Star Trek'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just seems like they went the far side of nerd crazy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'Gene says all of the Star Trek info was channeled to him from aliens'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'he said it was fact'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LONG after the fact lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Having said that, I do enjoy Lexx, though more as a comedy with boobs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Spock or Tuvok?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the appeal of Star Trek was simple, it had a feel of realism. If you look at sf renditions prior to that time they were just short of a joke. Star Trek was the inspirations for what came after, notably Star Wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention simple things like sliding doors which are now reality.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And I don't think we'll have to wait 300 years for handheld mobile communications devices either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Plus, as Whoopi Goldburg pointed out, it was the first SciFi show where there were black people in the future.  That was huge in the early 60s.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ST pioneered in many fronts and it was a social phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it doesn't hold a candle to lexx'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe not, but the Model T doesn't hold a candle to the Lincoln either, if we follow the same logic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'believe star trek also had the first interracial kiss on broadcast.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Kirk and Ohura, yeah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It would have a bit more impressive if Kirk and Uhura had kissed voluntarily.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'It would have been even more impressive if it had been Kirk and Sulu'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when Star Trek went to the big screen it really rocked. I mean, if you were one of those who watch the crappy technology on tv and then went to see the movie, it was awesome :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Oh, my!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed anaristos. loved those movies back in the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hell, i still do XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Uhura and Chapel would have worked too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah, if star trek was really thinking ahead, they would have hired dave chapelle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I understand it, they were canceled after the first season :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then brought back'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you Richard Pryor Sotura'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim P
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think you mean*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'man havin trouble with chat in this game XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, i don't see that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'chapelle is much too young'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'before his time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but pryor would do the job well i think lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's what would have made it ground-breaking'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone got a handle on whats happening in Syria atm ? APCs from Lebanon there ?!?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Just saw there was a bombing in some northern city that starts with an A come across the ticker, 25dead 200ish wounded'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Although at this point is that even news? *sigh*'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not athens, is it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Apello I think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who cares, it's Syria.  Those assholes deserve a bomb up their asses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Sorry, Aleppo'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'starling-loaf is here, wee'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling tickles Ixle.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just wondering if there is a push for some sort of support like what happened with Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, syria. Well, greece, syria...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There was a UN resolution that got veto'd by China/Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't imagine why , no oil in Syria ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Then the Russian PM(?) came out the next day calling for the government to back down'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No oil, plus all towel heads... fuck 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no oil in Syria ?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia needs China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really about the oil... if it was, libia would've been vetoed, not syria'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not as much , compared to Libia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't believe I let it take this long, You are now ignoring starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'libya'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol sorry Libya '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about the oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't blame my keyboard for that one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'may not agree with you Starling but defend your right to say so none the less '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blame me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Okay, Voltaire'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers ! coffee anyone !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'invasions are all about exploitable resources'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Syria has kickass SAMs too I think ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reason why russia and china didn't veto libya but vetoed the syrian one is probably because of syria's more strategic location, geopolitically, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in other words, libya's such a backwater, china and russia didn't want to spend any capital on their behalf.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just throwing it out there but if all the arab states westernize compared to if there is another "block" of countries that hate the US wouldn't that be better gfor Russia/China ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or for gaddifi's sake, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as the mid-east muslims are focussed on hating the US instead of china and russia, they're happy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah thats kinda what I was sayn '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they won't be hatin the Chinese anytime soon'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'abet more sucinctly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise there's no such thing as a middle-eastern muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where was and is the oil in Libya going (before and after the ousting of the incompetent dictator), and where is the oil in Syria going (before and after an invasion by the UN)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'same as everywehre after an American-led invasion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to America.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the mid-east problems are solved, they might start wondering about chechnya, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china and russia certainly don't want the extremists to turn against them instead of the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the westerners want oil-supply stability - Syria looks stable so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and as long as the problems remain unsolved, they will direct their anger at the us instead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the whole reigon is being massaged into ... an "Arab trading blocl"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's "us"?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol not like the US isn't the cause of most of the problems that plague the world at present :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would give some reason for the arab league to be sending ppl there ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sneak, could part of the problem being the USA is a bunch of hypocrites?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that's a big part, yes, sir.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IMO most of the west is just as bad as the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is about enriching the 1%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz has been politically gutless for as long as I can think '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of it is incompetence on a national scale... heck, the us is the cause of most of the problems in the us too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of self-inflicted problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its because American politicans can be bought with money.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and legally too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a number of schools of islam across the world, all with slightly different takes, and a lot of the problems in the middle east are to do with them not getting on with each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ours are just worse at it '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you mean Oz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Oz politicians are a joke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The USA is about the top 3-5%, not just 1%!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah sadly '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the bomb builders in the middle east are more problematic'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Easy to shit on the USA if you don't live here, we know you are all envious.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe it'll eventually resolve itself like the christian reformation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares I'm in the 1% motherfuckers!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's more about the .1% than the 1%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'realistically, people in the top 5% in european countries might be envious, everyone else should be happy they are not in the US..'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America does deserve all the shit it gets'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I concur with Tigernuts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I also concur with Tinada.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does Europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Europe is imploding'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of problems in the us... you see beggars everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'time to buy some greek islands'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sneak which 1% ? I know a few groups that proudly wear the 1%er patch =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not really, the US gives more foreign aid than everyone else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Honestly, I think we should cut you all off.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Tzad, the 1% that pays 45% tax in Oz'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'us foreign aid is a mere fraction of EU foreign aid...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like the aid you give is from money you actually have...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deal with your shit yourself, we have our own internal problems and it's RIDICULOUS that we throw money away on these third world dumpster fires instead of dealing with things here.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'That is true, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget israel starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wouldbe an interesting re evaluation of countries ties to have the USA withdraw all aid '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'per capita, USA gives less than 20% than UK'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20% of even'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares about withdrawing of aid'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China cancelled Africa's debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Americans in the USA practice lying to each other using bad english -- in Britain they practice lying to each other using good english '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'let's see the US match that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the us has never believed very strongly in intervening to help others, compared to europe, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't, Sneak, China's debt was probably owned by the government. Western debt is held by commerce'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the bonds are owned by investors and corporations, you can't cancel them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just look at the us govt. Their relative refusal to help is consistent, at least. Same internally and externally. A function of their culture, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i get frustrated about the US, then I think about a fucking corrupt socialist joke europe is and I feel much better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and where there are plenty of lies, the corrupt rich obtain an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know Tiger, but that's another thing about its ineptness as a giant machinery isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps China could buy the commercial debt and cancel that too ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could, would be tricky though'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'China can well afford it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when are you going to kick the fucking greeks out?  Good for nothing deadbeats that eat baklava and euros and shit laziness'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were up to me, the euro would have never happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I read recently that the greek unions rejected wage cuts :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hilarious considering they'll be out of jobs soon :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easy to simplify it like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is a corrupt capitalist joke -- but the 1% are laughing happily as they get richer'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greece just needs to do a clean sweep of thier public services , root out the coruption and broaded thier tax base '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's like retarded workers in Oz going on strike over wages, then getting retrenched after :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as corrupt and socialist the scandinavian countries are, it's still far better run than the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Greece just need to get their people to pay tax :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they don't have real jobs, it's all leeching from corrupt governments that lie about economics figures so they can scam lenders'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I like scandinavia, free education'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even at university level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never get people to pay their taxes while you have complicated progressive taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and much lower corruption than the us!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'The US has much less corruption than most places in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the corruption is runaway capitalism that is not competently socialist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'buy don't the scandanavian countries have huge personal income tax ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the finnish, norwegians and swedish seem to pay their extremely progressive taxes pretty well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats only because corruption has been made legal, Kojiro'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least more than the us'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the last 4 years of OBESE GOVERNMENT aside, we are a fucking paragon of corruption vs. the rest of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who needs corruption when you can just BUY a politician?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Sneak does have a point .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavian countries have the benefit of being SMALL'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and rich with oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they also have the benefit of being more efficiently-run'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US corruption is much lower than much of the world. But then much of the world is poor and under tyrannies. Compare it with advanced democracies, and it has higher corruption than most'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and their politicians don't pander to corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they're small, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but don't make excuses for the fucking fucktards that are greece'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the capitalist corruption in the USA is what caused the 2008 financial meltdown and destabilised europe'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'American politicians suck off corporations all teh time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'poor ignorant zade :('
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why america can help itself by moving away from centralised federal government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think America needs a revolution'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poor zade, but not ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the world needs a revolution '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think you could find a state the size of a scandinavian country that's as well-run... but I can't think of a single one...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the feds deal with defence, get everything else shunted down to state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't think that would work tbh'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not like State govt is staffed with bright people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel hands out paper swords to everyone willing to fight in the world revolution
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other option is to order 9 out of every 10 people to be slaughtered'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Direct taxes in Norway are about 35% up to 80k USD, then increasning to just over 50% at around 160k. This does not count a 20% deduction from income that maxes out at 13k or so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so what? I pay 45% tax.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay 60%, i win'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats alot lower than I thought '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and US federal + state is absically 45% at 500k+'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think in order for government to be more efficiently run, there needs to be more centralisation. Either you need to move most things up to the federal level, or you need to move almost everything down to the state level'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf, 60%.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how much do you earn :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Greece believes that capitalism must support socialism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about $30k before tax, sneak'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'splitting the country into several smaller pieces'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf? you earn 30k and you pay 60% tax? thats ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol 60% thats the bracket between earning too much and not earning enough to afford a decent accountant '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the UK, Sneakl'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I onyl pay 60% marginal when you consider 35% federal + 9% NY state + 7% NYC + 4% unincorporated biz tax on my LLC + 3% medicare tax = 58% marginal rate'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'And they wonder why the recovery is SLOW?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's 60% marginal, not total, right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the different is that scandinavia, while having high income tax rates, has honest taxation, places like here do not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those rates are for working income, income from capital is always taxed at 28%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '60% of what I earn goes back to the exchequer in taxation'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's because you're a sucker for not coming from old european money.  oh wait.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home max marginal income tax is 20%...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with 7% GST...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose of society is to give everybody a decent standard of living, and not merely to give a few capitalists an opportunity to get extremely rich while beggaring everybody else'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no zade, that's not the purpose at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason it is so high is that we have an absurdly complicated tax and credits system and many many stealth taxes that are not based on ability to pay nor generalised consumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the purpose of society is to give everyone a chance at giving themselves a decent standard of living'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but forced retirement savings takes a lot more...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on my income but who was married with 2 kids would pay about 40%'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly fair. not'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some faculty in society where the weak of the heard are not allowed to pass on their genes ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean by society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'herd* '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Kojiro - giving a "chance that fails" is not enough'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the purpose of government, on the other hand, is to do for the people as a group what they cannot do individually.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at the US, nobody is starving, nobody is homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unless they choose to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess the whole thing = society , just wondering how far from nature /natural selection we are willing to depart ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kojiro, so the homeless beggars "chose" to be homeless - more likely "forced" to be homeless'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anybody in the US can get themselves a decent standrad of living if they work hard enough.  Some people are born into wealth, just like some are born smarter, stronger, healthier.  The only equalizing factor is giving everyone a shot at getting a decent quality of life, which the US does'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its a straightforward path: finish school, get a job, don't spend beyond your means. done.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo homeless = mental illness in a large majority in developed countries ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no they choose it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'problem is people spend money they don't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny, I see so many homeless in the us... must be a really popular choice...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, don't shit out any brats you can't afford :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that is true'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'funny Sneak , countries do that too .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay people to shit out brats here, the more brats you have, the more they give you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they pay people to do that in Oz as well'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the worse your parenting skills the better'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no, they did not choose to be "homeless", the system beggared them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you see the homeless because people are stupid enough to give them money and food'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"shitting out brats" is an essential investment, as far as a country is concerned'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the "System" didn't beggar anybody.  They choose not to get a job, they choose not to work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beggars in london can earn $100 a day and more'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You guys are wasting your time and your life on loaf-master-blather'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tugernuts, I'm in NYC and beggars here can live like a king'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need someone to work in the future. Doesn't matter how many dollars or tons of gold you've stockpile. No one growing corn mean you don't eat corn.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'camp in central park, easily beg $50 a day on the subway'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, many that "worked hard" were beggared by the financial system'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  Import people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but in NY, the rent is too damned high'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ixle ? unpack that for me ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if all the countries thought like that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Build robots to farm corn'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are not going to change Starling's mind because there isn't one at work.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'importing foreigners causes problems later'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, my country's imports of people has destabilised the political situation somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and hook all those farmville ppl up to monitor the robot farms !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anti-immigrant sentiment and such.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ixle, stop your babble.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You are basically arguing with a walking billboard'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want people to grow corn, not robos, otherwise there aren't enough jobs to go around'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, they were beggared by their unwillingness to work and by a system that provides them comfort in the form of welfare if they don't work and just shit out kids from their uneducate dand filthy loins'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need more foreigners in the US'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ask your govt to relax border control :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the day we can use robots to replace all labour is a long way off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I didn't say "don't shit out brats at all", just "dont shit out brats you can't afford"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'make it easier to get visas and Green Cards :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's true, don't shit out brats you can't afford.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we could, there'd be no need to have a job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I.e., if you're going to loaf shit, at least be able to pay for said loaves yourself and don't sponge off the gubmint tit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've long advocated making contraceptive implants a prequisite to any form of welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Who's going to pay for those regulations tigernuts?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Contraceptives PLUS DRUG TESTS for welfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there are a fair number who bear children for the sole purpose of claiming benefits'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's pretty BIG government'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sneak:  careful, with too many green cards and visas, the USA may become Mexican'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it matter who pays for it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd save money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's a market equilibrium price, hopefully, for government aid for kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the argument is to save taxpayers dollars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well, relax, doesn't mean let anyone in'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't shit out shit ? put birth control in the soylent green ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'immigrants like to work and improve themselves, we need more of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Obviously there must be monitored standards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'It is true. Immigrants (the good ones) improve society'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For every dollar spent on contraception, how many dollars of welfare, drug treatment, incarceration, etc. are saved?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need to get rid of peple like zade that think "The system" is the source of poverty'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at half replacement level, asking people to only have kids if they can afford it is no longer feasible in my country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Soylent Green" is more likely to work in the South Americas'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go live in s. america or asia if you want to see how a real "system" represses people'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, which country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'easiest way to reduce the birth rate is to increase education - worked in Africa'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats BS, Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if the birthrate per woman went down to 1.5, population would still grow for the next 40 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to be "have 3 or more if you can afford it", but it seems that they're increasingly in panic mode....'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore is a whole different ballgame'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wages are too low in Singapore'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here, have this wad of cash. please pop out a few loaves!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's half replacement because you throw baby girls into the sea, or feed them to mongolians'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'income inequality is ridiculous.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it still is one for mum one for dad and one for the country here !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, sure, sure, we eat babies. They taste like chicken'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi why do you think so many SGs choose to migrate out of the country'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only the girls tho'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, many of them have second thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the boys taste like roosters ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Really? I don't have second thoughts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially now, with crushing unemployment in many places.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not everyone...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'go work in a mongolian copper mine'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'There is always work available, if you're willing to get your hands dirty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're a well-paid professional, there's no reason for regret'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also think welfare payments should be paid to every adult citizen, irrespective of income'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Welfare payments?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think welfare should be scrapped.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, a 'citizens allowance''
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the unemployed dipshits in the US should go work in the oil field'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Singapore doesn't have welfare, I don't see any problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'ALL the drilling companies are hiring'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you can't help but worry for the stability of your host country when you notice ever increasing numbers of the destitute'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Hell yes, I'm in Oz. It sucks here right now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, it's dirty work and you'll bust your ass for 12 hours a day, but you'll make 20 dollars an hour doing it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, singapore does have welfare. They just pretend it doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cpf is singapore's version of social security'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I maybe a lil sheltered but Oz has it pretty good atm re unemployment imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to both.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'CPF is too restrictive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'no, no, I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and singaporeans pay in a lot more to cpf, and get correspondingly more out of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, thats not welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle class starts revolutions, not the poor -- the poor may support revolutions, but are too poor and disorganised to start revolutions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'by welfare, I meant, try asking the government for $ to live on when you're unemployed.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should probably throw non-paying absentee parents in the clink, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a social safety net...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, that...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do that on a case by case basis'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just see your mp'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and cross your fingers'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Yes, and the politicians were debating AGAINST giving a $3/day increase or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the %1 rich in the USA are eliminating the middle class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'While on the other hand, they were pretty happy with awarding themselves 40% pay rises'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no way what, starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's bad enough we have to pay welfare for the loaf shitting moocow whores, we don't need to pay to incarcerate the deadbeat duhs too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick them in work camps'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building roads, mining etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until all 16yrs worth of child support is paid off'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'picking arizona crops'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just garnish their wages'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'garnish their wages? what wages?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'SG needs minimum wage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no need to throw them into some labour camp...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What wages, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they don't have work, give them a job building a road or something...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'building roads and mining requires strength health and educated skills'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Moo is sitting on her fat ass at home with a screaming loaf, playing Farmville and posting on twatter, duh is either in prison or living in a box under a bridge.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they won't work... well... there are other less civilised means...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it clearly doesn't, at least not in Australia'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the fuckign roads here keep screwing up'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro is agreeing with that Starling person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think the builders do it on purpose so they get repeat work'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure about minimum wages...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Well doesn't McDonalds pay like $3/hr still'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are people who are willing to work, but may not be able to do anything worth minimum wage'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mcd's pay $10 an hour here'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget using food stamps to buy marlboros to smoke at home and poison the loafs'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'mcd's pay $21/hr here if youre 21 and above'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, those people need to go work in the oilfield'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are jobs, it's just that these lazy shitbags don't want to get off their asses'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you made mcdonalds pay $5, they'll fire all the old men and women wiping tables'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why would anyone in ths US get a hard job paying $8/ hr when they "make" that sitting on their ass cllecting 99 weeks of unemployment and getting $100 / week in food stamps?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I actually agree w/ STarling for once'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problems we have here with wages is the very high cost of living, thanks to failed housing policy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'housing policy has failed in many countries, unfortunately.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'More than housing policy, bad economic policy in general'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think the minimum wage is why you see young, relatively energetic people at the mcdonalds here, rather than old, sluggish semi-retirees...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, come of.  20 dollars an hour, before overtime.  84 hours a week for two weeks, then two weeks off.  That's what a rig hand makes starting out in the oilfield.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No one is talking about sustainable economics, only linear growth models, why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more than i make in a skilled job'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When that rig hand gets promoted, say to motor man or derrickhand, he makes even more.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because economists and politicians are fuckwits, ixle'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone else who are fuckwits believe them'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'indoctrination Ixle imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not everyone has the skills or the temperament. I suspect that many of the poor wouldn't be fired for stupidity within a week of signing up as an oiler'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And actually, 20 dollars an hour starting out is on the low end.  I think Ensign USA Drilling starts its lease hands off at 25 an hour, Patterson-UTI is similar, PLUS they all give insurance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'd have to agree tzad, it's not like we're ignorant of sustainability models'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi, the drilling companies train new people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ineptness in language causes poverty '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, I've seen some real pieces of work out here, working as rig hands.  It don't take a rocket surgeon to do that job.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the funniest thing i heard a grown adult say was "we need more kids in order to pay for the pensions of our old people"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'ineptitude'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at that point i knew that humanity deserves to be wiped out by a meteor'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people are just born somewhat dumber than average... I'm not convinced that training would help just anyone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the disadvantaged are unable to describe the problem, the corrupt ignore the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Channel'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Regardless, there are people who would do just fine working for the drillers and making big bucks, but they refuse to do it because they don't want to put Fakebook and Twatter down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, I've had students who can't add decimals correctly, let alone multiply... sometimes I wonder how they got into an ivy...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna start to put together a dictionary of Starlingisms I think , pricless !'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another issue is, I wonder if they even know drilling jobs exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They probably never bothered to look'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the question is, look where?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'After all, Fuckbook and Twatter are far more important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the homeless, it isn't a trivial question'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'www.rigzone.com'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not sure the legions of homeless people in the us have computers.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when children are educated "dumber", they are unable to see the problems accurately, are unable to express themselves coherently, and are then mostly ignored and distracted by beer, sports, junk food, tv, internet, twitter, et cetera'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, even homeless dipshits have fuckbook and twatter accounts, don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, there are public libraries and whatnot with internet access'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what hope of children education when you are actively teaching them "creationism" as a scientific fact?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are here playing this mud, QED'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't get me started on the creationism garbage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism isn't even wrong, what the fuck are they teaching it for'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'library computers in us cities tend to be occupied most of the time. But I haven't been to many, so I wouldn't really know'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone know if there is an Oz equiv of Rigzone for the Oz mining community ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't bash creationism - I don't like the idea of agreeing with you'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sky Daddy does not belong in school, period'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except seminary or whatever fundies do to peach the word.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion should be taught in schools'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Religion is obsolete shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should teach about religion, but teaching religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as part of a religion/philosophy class'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'children taught creationism are more likely to vote Christian or Muslim'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I guess I could live with classes ABOUT religion in general, even though I think religion is worthless bullshit more often than not, but teaching "Sky Daddy made the world!" is totally wrong, and the 'theory' itself is not even wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, starling, they should teach about religion, and all religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to teach history without mentioning religion and analysing it somewhat'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i want to learn more about Sky Daddy'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism theory" is wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but most importantly,they should teach it in context, why it exists, what it was for, how it is still useful, how it is abused'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Zane, creationism theory is not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee you most americans who hate or are frightened of islam know precisely fuck all about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you see, kid, the crusades happened because... uh... they... uh... did't like each other'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm frightened of religion in general...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sonshi:  The crusades happened because people are stupid, they believed in shit that probably never existed, and so they decided to kill each other to prove a point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can get behind killing people to prove a point'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CrakPuppet Kongol nods at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But at least the point should be somewhat based in reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the two sides believed in different kinds of shit? Or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still doesn't give a halfway decent analysis... killing each other over believing different kinds of shit is pretty vague'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And also pretty stupid, which is why I said the people involved were stupid.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'killing each other over, say, racist supremist type ideas, over nationalism, over religion... they turn out differently...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"creationism" is a bogus theory that is able to be proven wrong - but the proof is likely a thick tome, wherin the religions supporting creationism are disected and repudiated (and that take a lot of work research patience and dedication - studying religious crap to disprove that religious crap) '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, Zade, creationism can't even be falsified, which is why I say it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how would it be falsifiable?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you say something is wrong, that implies you can prove it somehow'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no matter what evidence there is, nothing could possibly contradict it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the US is largely screwed whomever gets in at the next election'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Creationism can't be shown to be wrong by any scientific method, which is why it's not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'isn't it impressive that the catholic church is more powerful than countries? Even if it is "stupid" the genius in the speeches has been time-tested and works even today'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's barely worth consideration'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Starling, creationism may be "falsified" (proven to be false) by repudiating the supporting religions'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is powerful mostly in countries with a long tradition of that sort of... thing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle logic is requird'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creationism belongs in a philosophy debate, not a scientific one'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it has been weakening in europe...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except you can't falsify those religions either, shrug'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and to hear them tell it, religion doesn't even need to underpin creationism'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a subtle pragmatic logic is required to dissect analyze and repudiate religions '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you seek to repudiate factual basis for religion, then you clearly don't understand the point of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you could somehow prove all religions wrong, it still wouldn't falsify creationism...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You write up your treatise on your repudiations and get back to me, okay?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Zade on his head.
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'better just to pick the useful bits out of religons and leave the nuts etc to em '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disproving a religion permits freedom from that disproven religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of strange doctrines... krugman has been speaking out a lot against the so-called austerians...'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'aff'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well , been fun but the sun is nearly up which means its time for me to sleep'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perchance to dream :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Ovccam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Occam's Razor repudiates "creationism" (after the supporting religions are repudiated and disgraced)  '
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wasting your time'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pragmatic logic states: "if there is no indication for the existence of 'something', that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if the scriptural support for "something" is repudiated, and (thereafter) there is no indication for the existence of 'something', then that 'something' may be viewed as non-existent"'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't like religion, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'is there any good reason to like religion?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'I like many religious people, but unfounded belief systems have done terrible things to the evolution of human society, and indeed ecology worldwide'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greece is in debt, so either they do what's right and cut jobs, canada's dollar might not survive'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand faith in hypnosis and worshipping lies but you'd think they'd have a line drawn somewhere when it comes to world dictatorship'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do not talk about Dear Leader that way!  It's too soon.'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sit down and think really hard, what does greece have to do with canada'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the little dweeb insists though, canada's money is greeces money'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they both take it in the ass?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm not sure about the history of history and formulation of nation's with all of their posts contrasted to see who's in charge of what'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your saying's about as good as any other though, at least the citizens of both seem to take it in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Canada in the figurative sense (a la your various rants), Greece in the literal sense (after all, they are Greek!)'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i meant them both both ways'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you admit to taking it in the ass literally?'
T3/r6/2012-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but i'm not canada, just a fraction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so, i heard charlie sheen's 'goddesses' were nothing more than nursemaids and actresses.... discuss'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the guy who seen warlocks?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yeah i think he was a warlock'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/02/charlie-sheen-offends-warlocks-christian-day-coven-fuming-magically-bind-sunday-warrior-magic-salem-raven-moon/'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a cleansing on his career, that's some skills - crazy ass crazy world'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or just insane'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's a free spirit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't saying nothing bad about him, what brought him up anyways?  lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody says charlie sheen and i have a year or so of what funny news i seen crossing my thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly in 10 months and 12 days the world won't exist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'really. who told you this'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine what kind of cults they got out there now feeding on the possibility, looking back would be a luxury they think they won't have'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's been on the news :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmm. more yellow journalism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'literally 100s of books have been written on the subject.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yellow?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i avoid those books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's beside the point.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That sounds kinda racist'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no it is not'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In any case, it is the Mayan Calendar's end date.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yellow journalism is a term from the 1800s, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe the mayans decided to quit the calendar and get drunk'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Theory is they ran out of rock.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'dingos ate their babies'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'can't blame 'em'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i'm sorry, their 'loaves''
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people ate their loaves too sometimes, i seen it on southpark and read it in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the tabloids printed their sensational stories on yellow colored paper to catch the eye.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm eating loaf right now...wait, did you mean something different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also seen some disturbing video's that might indicate that we're still there a little bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't use South Park as a source of enlightenment... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'human flesh tastes good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does not taste like chicken :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but no one ever complained'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would complain if I were served human...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rendering is not a good way to stay healthy'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no you wouldn't. not if you were hungry.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'well, it's dehumanizing to call them loaves of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Starling calls people loaves'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body."'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cannablism'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's Matthew 26:26 - couldn't find the verse where god was besieging a city and women were debating who's child to eat on that day'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's in there though'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if I were hungry enough to eat human I doubt anyone would be around to serve me :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i always is'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hlmencken: 'thats easy...whichever baby is most tender'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tender babies are money making.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would rather eat some pubescent female :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you can do that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'anar eats pubes ewwww'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'been doing it for years :>)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do the cops make such a big deal when an armed criminal is threatening to kill himself?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all for show , civil rights etc need to be placated '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I say let the guy do it, save everyone else the trouble of putting up with his deranged ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps he is a potentially nobel winning scientist that has had his drink spiked ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for whom does the bell toll ? it tolls for us all .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are there to maintain law and order, they don't have capacity to enforce justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately neither are lawyers, judges or politicians'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in some cases where mandatory sentencing is enforced the power of judiciary is with the police '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory sentencing is completely at odds with the principles of justice'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'property crime is so bad here that they brought it in for that reason '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't help'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nope , just made the voters feel like something haad been done '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the nub of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep , idiots vote '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mandatory sentencing is pretty shitty, but constant slaps on the wrist are worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many laws and law enforcement measures are to placate a narrow minded bunch of swing voters'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You mispelled "nearly all"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because the justice system doesn't address the needs of the criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you better own that garbage can lid sonny !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when the state focuses on rehabilitation instead of retaliation and revenge that will change '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't focus on it, rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the travel is in the other direction'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'very true '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never occured to them that heroine addicts nick stuff because they have a chemical addiction, and sticking them in prison won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they may get better drugs inside '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'releasing them straight back into the same environment won't solve it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bizarre choice they made over here was jailing some mp's for fiddling their expenses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made me quite angry'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'treating criminal behaviour as a mental illness -- on the surface it sounds fine but read The Clockwork Orange'?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not treating it like a mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the root of that particular prob is drug abuse and dependancy - mental illness ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the case of the parliament members jailed for fiddling expenses. firstly, were they likely to offend again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok stupidity is not curable and therefor not a medical problem ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are many reasons people might get addicted to heroine, stupidity is one, desperation is one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mental illness is another'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'white collar crime happens because they think they will get away with it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greed?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find the whole idea of punishment for a crime barbaric and entirely pointless'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in being caught their eronious view of the system is corrected and they will not offend again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting , how would you deal with crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be about repayment, ammends, and behaviour modification'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that a little ? perhaps a murder ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the murder'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ted Bundy's victims '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically pre-meditated violent crime is one of the few things jail IS sensible for'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the death pentaly ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok drunk driver kills someone '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on previous record and character'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think its vehicular manslaughter here '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will putting him in jail bring the dead guy back to life?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for arguments sake lets take exactly the same case but on ewith a waste of oxygen and one a distraught drunk pillar of the community '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the status of the victim is largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are the death will haunt the driver for the rest of his life. what purpose is there having him in jail? far better to make him pay his debt to society in a more productive way'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'quality of life / euthanasia et c.. whole nother argument , but go on '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, dinner time'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eat well :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the perp has its organs harvested- no jail - is of benifit to the community in general and they don't commit firther crime ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if the reason why the gop candidates are so weak is because they no longer need to raise funds from regular voters...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'middle class, even upper middle class voters are irrelevant when you have billionaires willing to pay for 90% of your campaign...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an outsider, just looks like a bunch of rich corp paws put there to further corp bank balances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hidden behind a veneer of christian fundamentalism in order to catch middle america'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they say what they need to win, then once elected, they repay their debts'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy really needs to go back to first principles'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e - what is the purpose of government, what is the purpose of law'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said the US has democracy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere has a democracy in it's truest form'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe mandatory voting with severe funding restrictions would be the way to go...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had mandatory voting, "none of the above" would need to be a valid option'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'our mandatoryvoting is not really enforced here from what I have seen '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory voting is a tough one'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mandatory voting would only work in places where you can have as many candidates as you wish.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had mandatory voting with instant runoff, that should tighten up things a bit...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would break the power of dominant parties as dominant parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can "informal" vote here , alot of ppl do that - basically waste their ballot '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For me, being from Sweden, a system with only 2 parties is very strange.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do those that don't vote now care enough about who wins to vote in such a way as to change the outcome?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have multiple parties, but only two that actually matter, and they're vote shite'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while mandatory voting, if applied correctly, can eliminate a lot of fraud, and force politicians to actually care about the average guy, instead of just those who are likely to vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err both, even'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are good arguments for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though by forcing people to vote who don't want to, you could skew the result'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If people thought they were bad, they would get no votes. Apparently people think they are the best, or?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would the result of having alot of parties mean that not many bills are passed and if they are with amendments to keep those parties happy ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't mentally equipped to vote for someone who is good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all countries have more than 2 parties. The US is an exception, not a norm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would skew the result compared with what it is without, yes, but the important thing is politicians might give a hoot about those who might not vote otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has lots more than 2 parties, but like tiger said, only 2 that matter/are established'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Potato, potato'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller democracies are the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, instant runoff would allow third parties to break the power of the main parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only parties that have some form of voting power counts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'anarchy is the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anarchy is not the answer'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has thousands of parties, but only a handful or so count.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have 2 major parties here but it's usually one of the smaller parties ie greens or democrats that holds the balance of power and is relied on to get bills passed '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anarchy is the answer... for countries you don't like!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'isolationist military dictatorship ! '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as daft as it sounds, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I never am ,, =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thousands of parties? is there even that many people there? }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'we should all refer to the Word of God for all our questions and revert to a theocracy, the way God meant it to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing wrong with total monarchy or dictatorship is that you are entirely reliant on the guy being good'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it rarely happens'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'debate I think a benevolent dictator would probably be the best.... the problem is finding that dictator.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'God is good!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and even if he's good, his son is often a tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'let there be a large distance between church and state! for gods sake !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'his son is good too!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still love that the president of Gabon is called "Ali Bongo"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A god would be a good dictator. Too bad we don't have one of those.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many stereotypes does it need to change a lightbulb...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we have maybe ten parties, but only 4 have any sort of real presence, and only 1 really matters, so far'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on whether it's a nice god or a nasty one.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hellfire & brimstone'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'old or new testament '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think I would prefer Thor to the christian god.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we might all be better off returning to small kingdoms/states'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL before or after God got his rocks off with Mary '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'small states can't survive without a strong world order though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'India has some fun gods as well, perhaps one of those :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the OT Jehova was just a huge case of blue balls ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have world order now'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a global small state solution to work, you'd need a UN with real teeth'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since when, did I miss something?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are still voting blocks in the UN '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least strong groups/alliances'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is not any real accord imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok laugh at me but what if the UN banned ALL armed forces - then we could exist as fiefdoms kingdoms etc because the main prob with those sorts of organisatios is that military spending bankrupts them ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UN has no power to tell anyone to do anything.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the UN banned all armed forces, the UN wouldn't exist very long'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the UN is completely broken with the countries that have veto.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and only an idiot would voluntarily disarm, unless he had no chance to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so only the UN has guns ? nah sill yidea , both directions but that is how every gov is treating it's citizens - disarming them '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the reason for the veto is that without, say, China, the US, or Russia, the purpose of the UN would be defeated...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the security council is kind of like a lowest common denominator kind of thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Aka bullying'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or in 20 years China Russia or India '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So why does france have a veto but not germany (for instance)?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, the world had a pretty bad experience with the whole disarming thing. Hitler and Hirohito happened the last time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'esp since Germany is bankrolling the EU atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they lost the war.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'france used to be a major power too...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a couple of the veto wielding countries probably shouldn't have the veto now, but those don't use it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Face the facts: The UN is broken, and not democratic. It has no power, and is completely pointless.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what part did the UN have in the libyan uprising ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone remember ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is pretty useful for things that don't hurt any of the interests of the major powers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point was never democracy, despite what they say. Nonetheless, it has its uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or stabilizing an oil producer .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, it allows the US to start wars.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us can start wars perfectly fine without the un!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps not for too much longer , '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, without the un, the us could well have gotten itself into a lot more wars...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but with the UN, the US can send troops to places that would be hard to motivate otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? Has a major power ever had a problem sending forces to far flung places pre-UN?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the barbary wars come to mind...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pre-UN was quite a long time ago, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'league of nations was before the UN ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '60 years ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow I had never heard of the Barbary wars before , it appears the USA has some form invading the mid east '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, pre-UN, the US has landed invading forces all over the place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'indonesia, for example'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was that some of the source of its powerbase ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'It was just typical of that era though...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the brits were doing a grweat job then too '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is really the only country that has done that the last 100 years though. Probably because it's so young, you know how teenagers are...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for all the ills of the UN, it did slow down the whole I-just-landed-a-couple-of-battalions-to-make-you-sign-this-treaty thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brits never invaded anyone, it belonged to us in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now they only do it once in a while!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol OK yeah I have been a teenager with her first credit card ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, then the americans stole america from the empire!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean the usasians stole the US?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'horrible, isn't it, that terribly illegal revolt and act of treason against the rightful king of england!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meet y'all at the Green Dragon Inn :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, England belongs to vikings anyway, so it's ours!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"centre country" claims everything!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"now I know why my campaign didn't work. I didn't have a billionaire..." - Pawlenty, to Rachel Maddow'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the current state of affairs, I wonder if huntsman was too hasty in quitting...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the blatant funding issues in US polotics why don't they reform the system ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'polo.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the whole caucus system is also a little weird...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to buy your way to the nomination when hardly anyone votes'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the point'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the "Occupy" ppls have an alternative system ? or anyone ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'course they don't'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff!'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're an anti-everything brigade'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I considered that prior to the 2005 election in Norway'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting, secrot ballots at primaries...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'secret'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mandatory voting for the general, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really, really don't think mandatory voting would do a damn thing other than increase the amount of people who will vote for someone because he's cute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I estimated that if I got 50 friends to sign up as members of the progressive party, I would have 90% chance get to the top of their local list and so be elected to our parliament for 4 ys'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'instead, we should have voter exams, so only reasonably educated and knowledgable people could vote'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how the only realistic chance there is for winning is to be nominated by one of the two majors, they really ought to have secret ballots and a rigorous primary system'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep just more informal or donkey voters turning out '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I kinda like proportional representation better although I'm aware it has flaws as well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'PR doesn't work unless you have more than 2 viable parties'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but one of the issues with two-party is that they cater progressively more and more to the extreme ends of the extremes '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, mandatory voting would at least make politicians pretend to care about the other half of society.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does take alot of the showbiz element out of it '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but I think it could help with breaking the two-party stranglehold.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how did there end up only 2 parties in the first place ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'instant runoff would also crack the dominance of major parties by sharply reducing strategic voting'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'network effects/economies of scale'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'same reason there's only 1 auction site on the web that anyone uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one additional advantage of proportional representation/electing a list of people/several parties is that it becomes much harder to buy enough politicans to write the laws you want'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no reason to fear splitting the vote if you vote third party, with instant runoff'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yet those same pressures have yet to give the same results in other contries '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'assassination of political leaders is thus the lesser of two evils'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '???'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, in an exit poll in Iowa, more people who voted Romney considered themselves "Liberal" than any other'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tinada'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's nothing special (good or bad) about the number 2, but most countries with a meaningful scale have settled into very few parties that matter because of those same pressures'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'restricting campaign funding would also be a major reform reducing pressures towards major parties...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'could you restrict a media baron from telling his empire to report on a certian candidate a certain way without infringing freedom of speach?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Romney makes it clear that he is for relaxing cross media ownership laws and so Murdoch paints him as the good guy- for instance - or example=P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could be made illegal yes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only a free speech issue if you restrict individual journalists'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I saw a survey of CNN viewers vs. non CNN viers asked about the first desert storm , the results in terms of differing opinions was pretty stark '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, preventing the guy at the top from dictating what his subordinates can report on is a plus for free speech...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cool , not really sure how constitutional law works '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US constitution is a different kettle of fish'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what I was saying using the desert storm war questionare as an example is that may already be happening '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if that is the case then funding caps may not be the panacea either '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if journalists and consumers of a certain persuasion gravitate together, it isn't a problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'here the gov funded press is left and the commercial press is right .. lol sorta balanced'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'within the bounds of the law, actually it quite does'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'over here guys...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's one }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Zade you're worried about the enviroment, how many bottles of water do you purchase in a month and then toss away in the trash, do you recycle, does your country have a recycle program, and I see you are worried about a father correcting his daughters actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I actually seen the youtube show of this and I think he was correct, he should of taken her phone and iphone or whatever phone and shot those also.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'You fail to realize she is a child under his care until she is of age, whatever country.  So I see he has a say in how he raises her.  I seen the video and find that she disrespected her parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the people on gossip are boring they won't change the subject to  Illuminati '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol can't resist - if this kid thinks this at 16 something was broke a long time before her being grounded the first time imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'That's because the Illuminati control the gos channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'from what I seen he punished her for a bit for the same behavior.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fnord: 'The Illuminati made that comment go to the wrong channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'And yes I brought this to Debate as Oladon requested to go to this channel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'I think the father was correct in what he did.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'fucking communists Illuminati wankers'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Alestorm I have no idea what you are talking about, but that is okies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'I'm debating about myself with the illuminati'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'so what is the illuminati?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'someone must be bored'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're on the losing side of the debate'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'who Biker?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the one debating with himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'oh, Alestorm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'when i debate with myself it turns into a fist fight'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Trisha giggles Noose, I hope you don't hurt yourself very much.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'then i dont talk to myself for a whole week'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but do the other voices give you the silent treatment as well?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'the illuminati is a secret society that believes in new world order '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noose: 'no they just taunt me for losing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'well I don't know anything about all that, but I am sure I can look up info on Ill whatever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'trisha: think the National Treasure movies & Dan Brown books'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Illuminati is a myth (or at least a safely-dead movement from the Renaissance) in real life.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'they must be real, I have read about them in a book'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real version was just a secret group of scientists trying to protect their work from the knowledge-destroying hands of the then all-powerful Church.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'They are The skull and bones society'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'they're real'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'have you ever seen the pyramid on the american one dollar bill?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: '????'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, that's a masonic icon called the All-Seeing Eye.  The Pyramid itself is an ancient egyptian thing created by the Stonemasons, a unionizing group formed up in said empire to ensure quality work and fair compensation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snigger quietly, wondering who will make a fuss over it.
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OMFG .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you forgot safe working conditions'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Nod nod, but  have you ever googled the words around the pyramid'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alestorm: 'Novus Ordo Seclorum= New order of the ages and funny enough it is the motto of the university of yale where the Illuminati recruits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a study found that our opinions about climate change are based on how much our leaders agree with each other on the subject.  For example, if politicians are split 50/50 then the rest of us will also be split 50/50.  Facts apparently do not play any role in the forming of such opinions, one way or the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just have the best one on F9 but I remember 7/60 45 etc just incase I get an invun mob '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wait , there is another red channel !'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, didn't see anything on imm...must be a custom colorset :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doh, forgot about classchan'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Topic: "Quantum Computing" may be used by Christians as another "proof" that God exists: "Intelligent Quantum Computing"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if so, God's not very good at it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God is in every Quantum, doing the calculations"'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Is the spear of destiny buried in an antarctic museum?'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'noah wyle has it'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's Satan, Zade.  The Devil is in the details, not God.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not perceive at this stage how quantum computers are able to coax answers out of quantum particles -- GIGO  garbage in garbage out
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Hombre del Saco stole it and tried to bring forth Mammon with it.  He and Gabriel were not counting on Constantine committing suicide again, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quantum computers aren't able to coax answers, that's the issue ;)'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only thought machine's will ever have is that which humans placed there looking from the outside in at the inside out perception of themselves projected into mathematics and science, durably against those they consider the majority who they are smarter then, since their creation is of a superior mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're stupid no matter how smart you make them'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, they can, it's just that it's both all the right answers and all the wrong answers and we cannot tell which is which.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whenever I think about quantum computing, I picure Q-bert running around inside the computer case'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're a long, long way from even attempting to solve for the divide by zero problem that comes up with the absence of a particular qbit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jumping on all those Q-bits'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't mean that this material is mindless though, i can see intelligence everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc yells to get away from the snake!
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's essentially what it is, except that every time Qbert jumps all squares can potentially flip.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'talking snakes are common on tv now, geico uses those gecko's instead'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one of my buddies is a research fellow playing around with quantum computing'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'these quantum things are soo small.. '
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a polynomial-time algorithm for factorisation on quantum computers...'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you're selling maxxed eq, just say you're selling maxxed eq, don't blow smoke up our asses with 'overmax' and similar garbage terms, thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a cheery good day to you, too :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'score :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mis chan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know why, but I watch these SWAT shows and I find myself hoping the bad guys win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swat shows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Get a 20mm gun and aim it at the door, bet the SWAT team's armor and shield won't stop those rounds.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Of course, good luck sneaking a 20mm gun into your house.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats assuming you're not disoriented by the flash bang :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's 20mm in old money?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '20mm is 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a cannon caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so roughly 50 cal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_mm_caliber'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 cal is aroun 13mm, 20mm would be a cannon, not a gun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you had a gun of that type, it's unlikely they wouldn't know...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '20mm is cannon already.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'in partcular, the photo at bottom shows .50BMG vs 20mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '.50 caliber is 12.7 mm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a 2 cm gun is around .80 calibler'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'caliber*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calibre*'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those rifle's put too much power into a small number of hands.. it's not only your good guys who have them, and people who deal in such thing's typically aren't the best people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's Spanish :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can't buy them at a hardware store, that i know of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't buy guns at hardware stores in civilised countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, 2cm guns are almost crew served'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's called 20mm, not 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if anyone is going to walk around the city with that kind of gun, would probably develop a hernia :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read this article about a grup of trible people under attack in south america, bbc reports, and because one seen a plane land at a landing strip, his whole village got massacred and him destroyed - now i wonder why this government doesn't plant some landmines or something on those landing strips, if they're not reporting on their own crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you call it 20mm I call it 2cm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe bbc wonders the same thing, but knows the answer.. is it beyond a government to take proactive measures against people destroying a minority?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you think so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just while on subjet , watching the first Rambo movie , He running round firing an M-60 one handed.. possible irl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to call it *a* 2cm gun is not wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not saying carry that cannon around, just get a couple via the black market or whatever and aim them at your warehouse doors'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is Rambo :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Pigs burst in and get blown to pieces by cannon fire'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the intel agencies would have to be pretty incompetent not to notice those...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, they probably create significant RF interference when fired :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, they smuggle tons of cocaine and weed across the border, I'm sure they could sneak a 20mm gun or two'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want a 20mm cannon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like the idea of a world like canada where they find a bazooka in the b.c forest with a instruction manual, those things can get in you know?  and then these things are only in the hands of a few, and the citizen's are at the mercy of the cops not working for their boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, they probably miss run of the mill handguns all the time, but moving around a gun of that type without detection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were a point to it, probably.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To destroy the cops when they raid your warehouse :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '30-06 singleshot knocks me over Rambo nearly 3 times the size firing roughly the same calibre but auto , hmmm ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prohibition of weapons itself might solve some violent crime's, but that doesn't make them unavailable for the sources of most of those crimes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but you don't grow guns in the fields and pack them into bales...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They could get them from the Central American hellholes'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 Equalizer should do the job nicely :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't know, I'm just supposing here.  And like I said, if they can smuggle hundreds (thousands?) of tons of drugs, a small cannon wouldn't be hard, especially if shipped in parts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I guess if you knew how to assemble it in that warehouse you're imagining...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a GAU-12 is 25mm, not small, not for carrying around, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'same argument would apply to smuggling a chemical  weap etc , the chatter would be the impedament , not the actual smuggling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, if you are speaking anti-personnel, you want something like a grenade launcher anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're starting to assume all sort of crazy expertise in the fields of smuggling and weaponry, why not build a rail gun or something.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not portable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then your pretend rail gun can blast the pretend agents storming your pretend warehouse...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Railgun is too advanced, 20mm has been around for years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine nearly every border is guarded by a person at one point or another, who is on another contract that doesn't defend that border against his people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the pretend blasted friends will come in with tanks and the warehouse is history :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20mm, the New vulcan salute =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the surgeon general not doing his job, that's a pretty big job, when it comes to some things - and the premier's kissing oil's ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I'm just saying I sometimes wish the bad guys would win.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being a head of state isn't being a leech on a black ass'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only the borders with non-lily whites, Druzil. The canadian border is not guarded.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're smart/rich/well-connected enough to smuggle such a gun, I'll bet the feds are already wacthing you anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'im they are ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't understand that though, their jobs are mundane'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I usually root for the bad guys though, shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the ones in their borders making sure that only crooks that murder the place get the jobs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're a politician your job's to prevent those things and destroy them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I bet you flash gang signs around. 'Cuz gangbangers are kewl'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can you buy 20mm ammo from walmart?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you down with that, cuz?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt it :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember milo minderbinder, the guy who contracted with the nazis to bomb his airbase and his allies to defend it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bringing a .22 to a 20 mm fight ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who make a joke out of politics today are servants of the reason life is denied to most of it without rent'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not much fundamentally different from this world and the world of 1932'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's good for M&M enterprises is good for the country, because everyone has a share!'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was a great book...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was on our secondary school reading list'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a .22 shooter vs a .45 shooter... if the .22 shooter gets his rounds off first there will be 2 dead otherwise just one and it won't be the .45 shooter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should either stop allowing weapons contractors to develop new weapons, with science not releasing new research to be used in those weapons (like stealth ping, lcd dynamic visual cloaks, heat shields)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats stealth ping ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol hold on , help file :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't shield them, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easy to develop a computer with your mind that calculates the distance from reception to deliverance, the size of your uboat for instance, and send the signal out the other side at that strength, transmitting in reverse the signal gained from whatever information you wish to transfer to the weary warship'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and visual cloaks, here's a pixel and a camera, on the other side of this circle is the opposing pixel and camera'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like a mirror that's not there, put those together and there's two informations released by science daily that they have in the works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'building new weapons and stuff like that, can't even see they're there'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't make them, but science releases that information for all to see, and what do weapons dealers and tyrant military's use science for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with cloaking devices is that you can't see either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who was it poisoned Whitney Houston?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You must develop these sciences  (ty for the stealth ping info) The imperative comes from your enemies ability to develop these new techs '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible with the resources to make stuff like that, just saying, like you can almost narrow down visual imagery point matching guidance system's on bullet's that they already made or are making considering a nintendo duckhunt gun and how it tells the screen that it hit a duck'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the sciences are already developed for 2-4 years publicly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that chinese submarines can pop up without prior warning around american military vessal's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might already be using stuff like that, who knows?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could you detect something like that?  distortion in surrounding space and comparison of angles is the only things i could think of'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fish swim round subs ? track them instead ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reverse depth charges are neat too, they have the water pressure set as they're chained to the floor of the ocean, and once released the pressure decreases until they explode near the surface'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you detect it because its presence removes the natural background radiation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen those on a video once and figured that's some crazy stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it'd be nice if people weren't killing people all the time forever, or at least having the means to take on anybody who tries to trespass against you fairly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's all hogwash, and they play take the candy from the baby forever, why everything's so centralized'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How  shall I kill thee... Let me count the ways.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure Pope had that in mind when he wrote that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's applicable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well we do breed like rabbits , I guess war is humans natural selection?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there were 2 humans left, one would try to kill the other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only if they were both Alphas imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or one had what the other wanted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the public information out now and the amount of minds (7 billion human) in the world, it's impossible without the world already being conquered that several opponents of genghis khan innovation wouldn't have already risen against the only one who has these thing's, and i assume that one supplies all the rest of them on some level'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, they'd screw each other first.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and anyway , all higher order mammals are hardwired not to kill their owm speices when sorting out pecking orders ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put this and that together, melt that into this, dig up some of that, yadda yadda, done, it's unthinkable that those foreign governments aren't all working for the same people your local government is - otherwise they'd show some pride'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok. If you say so :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol right there Majic - prison sex is just another pecking order issue imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly you're implying we're not yet higher order :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Socker )
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you like that ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see many independent governments around, canada's money is owned by greece's money for instance, if greece across the ocean a little land less than the size of one canadian territory and supplying nothing compared to canada to the world to use'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are the only species that seeks to undo that hardwiring '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'goes into bankruptcy, then the canadian dollar goes down - that's bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Socker: 'do you like good morning tokyo?:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's world dominated government illusions'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like illusions much, they're like santa clause written in c'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you still know there's some assembly required'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is very Buddist - the whole Maya world of illusions we live in =D'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'heard mayans did friendly sportwars, lived well but then one warlord decided to stay in a conquered village.. a few months later they were all gone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol cute parable Rabbit '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'they dug up a mayan stone stairs that had a.. history carved in the steps. it was in a documentary:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's a very real possibiliy that canadian finances are handled by somebody from europe, and the people in canada who defend the bullshit - how much raw minerals canada sends to the rest of the world compared to how it's not the most wealthy nation on earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are all members of his special club'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Herr Banken Direktor? :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the BP bullshit, here's a british petroleum company drilling off the coast of america, which consumes 80% of canada's yearly oil exports (sends them elsewhere under a new brandname?)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the blowout preventer gets sent to norway for their professional opinion, while they install one on discovery channel in alaska'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's american corporations which are owned by a corporation which build something then abandon it instead of the more costly cleaning it up'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and exxon valdez is a surviving example, in 1989 they receive a 20 billion dollar grievance allowance, in 2005 the supreme court slashes that to 500 million, after exxon paid a total of 500 million up to that point 19 years later'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the FDA's members are stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heard about that in the story of one scottish independent study on just how deadly GMO foods are, one of the two scientists got assassinated in year 2000'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pointed out the details missing from the reports for approval and faulty research by the corporation and their researchers, pointing out hypocrisy in members of the FDA'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who along with the supreme court's judge were stockholders in monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monsanto's like some kind of modern day version of satan'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is this the not man who deceived nations?  they said in the side of the pit'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly they made their name like mon-santo, man-santa-, man-satan, they're a man-made satan.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure are crooked murdering liar cowards'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think of satan, my version of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'd genocide your country without prior planning if they knew nobody else would see it how it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you were a undesireable weed on their patented soil'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that evil died with hitler and stalin's just an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't really think anyone believes that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same mindset's that developed those individual avatars of itself exist today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of people with lots of money who wouldn't hesitate to do just what they did once they were sure their hiding places were sealed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb we all know they'll end up at the Mt Rushmore bunker !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most country's probably got at least one'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel wonders if every home should have one 
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'human mind is twisted by nature. trickster is our evolutional tool.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably, with lots of supplies and preparations - but that would be against the doctrine of nation of docile sheep for the foreign wolf'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to pick off at will, pacified with false security'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you built a bunker you'd have to contend with mineral rights and the government would have to know what you're doing there with coordinates - and those they log into a database which is accessible by your enemy'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the less than functional nature of the average backyard bunker perhaps that would only enhance the false security '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say spain's sin was preparing a censor of how many jews were in it's border's during world war 2's day's, now all minority's are logged and that information centralized to your enemy's disposal'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a normalized sin, that's weird isn't it?  how does that slip the criticism of the history teacher?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'more than that , data mining by private companies does the same thing '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this enemy you can only learn about by studying what's not parallel to what is, imagination is sometimes neccessary '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and camera's in your playstation 2, the government doesn't require a surgeon general's warning on every telecom advent, this camera may be remotely accessed by your enemy and information on you and your family logged in a central statistical repository, where not tested on animals has no boundaries because you're supposed to be stupid - panopticon'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, there's a fun game, dance with fake friends on the screen, written in C - and don't focus as much on why the real thing is so inaccessible and cumbersome'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing new, most religions bait you with thoughts of what if, yeah what should, and then or else you will burn in hell after they captured your attention'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I guess we should expect that big brother is always watching and act  accordingly rather than be naieve about it '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz spellin'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this same technique isn't applied to these machines though - that's why you need an imagination to see it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this all sounds pretty blah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'care to expand on that Tiges ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't understand the problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't really following it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now these machines save lives, alot of it could have been done mechanically - but mechanics are not remotely accessible and too easy to comprehend in their non-metaphysical design, metaphysical like these letters on the screen are letters, but underneath they're a integer, and under the integer is some binary digits, and under those is some electricity and circuits transmitting this information around'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your point?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wager that alot of the goood things you get from these could have been done mechanically, and that was sabotaged because they weren't made for fun at all - like religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you choose to use technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less people understand these in their entirety than a car engine without computers'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those you could fix yourself , possibly even make yourself, these it's not possible though'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you choose to use the bank too'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not be paid in cash by your boss'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you're aware you don't understand it, and are aware of the position that puts you, you should be fine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's a problem is the blind assumption of technology'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and furthermore, what's the solution?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'integration, derivation?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't change people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'understanding is an opportunity for an advantage'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you say 'back to the land, and plow with animals', you're a fool. a) society won't go that way and b) I really, really doubt you have a good idea what it's really like. :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can educate those so inclined ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reversing the psychological programs installed over the last 1000 years or more and making people think about everything relevant to their lives instead of systematically taking it for granted'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone is suggesting that all technology is dumped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone was the other day :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't think something's a life or death situation and there's no sugar to take from it they don't do nothing about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people, some are different'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no , course not, technology can be a good thing - depending how you use it and what the limit's to that use are'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the "everything is relavent" sounds more like a "Be Here Now" mantra. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but it's larger than just an awereness of tech imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if there's more sugar in no solution but in pretending you're looking for one, then one won't ever be found'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cancer research is probably mostly like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if most of the scientists think they're really doing their job's, the material's they're given might be collaberated through a proxy, who makes sure some material's weren't discussed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and 7 billion people on earth, emphasized that doesn't sound like much of a reason to find a cure'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a cure for a few people, but not for the public'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a huge flu outbreak would be good'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wipe a few billion out'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo (and a very base one at that) cancer research and longevity are intertwined , I think the powers that be are Very interested in the research '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cancer's one of the few large-scale killers of comparatively young people left -- and the diseases that naturally result from your body grinding to a halt in old age or the diseases that result from lifestyle choices are much harder to treat.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they're looking at a gene from lobster that causes their dna to be repaired rather than degrade over time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they manage to harness that, even old age will be stopped'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if every male/female on earth had 1 kid this generation, the population would be less than 1/7 of it's current size in 80 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dramatic reduction of population would be less preferable to stable and gradual decrease'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this generation and future generations? and do you mean one child per couple?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's policed though, people probably used their heads more and didn't slot machine their way through candyland back before this modern society existed, so they would naturally regulate their breeding more often than not'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a culture, they had moral's and shared workloads in a day to consider'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'drastic reduction leads to horrendous demographic imbalance, really. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how utterly rubbish world powers are at doing anything, best we can hope for is that empowering women brings birth rates down to around 2 and that the population then stabilises in about 20 years time'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the one child policy has not gone so well for China ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no shared workload today, and moral's are how much it's worth to you'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'naturally regulate their breeding my ass, their sprogs tended to croak early from childhood diseases.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's needed is a culture shift wrt kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easier said than done, especially given how half the planet is ruled by religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other half by ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the other other half by greed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the same half perhaps ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses society was culted by money - it's written right there in deuteronomy, that's 3500 years or more ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sodom and gommorrah were maybe stories he heard from egypt while there, but before then, and before the first modern culture like those there was real cultures more than likely'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in a lot of places now, children still die young from preventable diseases, and there's no retirement planning etc. other than 'have enough kids that one lives to take care of you''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the woman is essentially worthless other than popping out kids.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i quote you on that?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care if modern history doesn't teach of any free people with a brain, who were free to think and worked together, that's all unconfirmed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'women's empowerment (seriously! it's the number one thing that reduces birthrate), reduced childhood death rates will both seriously contribute.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contribute to decreasing birth rates, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'raising the level of education in doveloping countries has been imo the best form of birth control on a large level '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'always ancient history mentions the great king, instead of seeing the story from the eyes of a common person or slave'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc this is the funniest moral debate ever:)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like aristotle and plato for that, most historic author's who people worship as god look like probable trash to me, judging from those who rule the world today'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, especially for women tzad.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they've brought education and empowerment to women in north africa and parts of india they're reduced average births to a woman from 6 to 2.4'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there is sound evidence that it works'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works in those countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for developed countries you need a different approacjh'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. if the woman can contribute with an external job, instead of just housewifery and producing sons, it provides a strong incentive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the developed countries are under or at replacement rate last I checked.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 300 years the only thing you might be remembered for is michael jackson, your whole lifespans was michael jackson to the historian in 3 centuries'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for westernised societies, you have to make it socially irresponsible to have many kids'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there just isn't the move for that atm'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he teaches it to 800 million children, who know about michael jackson on the jeopardy clue, it's who they came from'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't need to make it socially irresponsible. the people who care about social responsibility are already low enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'need to make it not worthwhile to pop out a bunch of kids and have the state pay for them, you do.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would removing procreation as a right and making it a privellage work ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how history works, it's mostly bullshit, and not allowed to survive if it tarnishes the image of the future's ability to do as they did to you, to their new people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tzad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's enough laws in this world for a 100 planets'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just a lil pissed off at ( I forget the Starling term) but you know the type '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice that on holocaust and world war 2 history shows they don't discuss the difference between the mindsets, use of media, measures against the realization, common understanding of the philanthropical views of the time for discussion, and what's being done to combat the repetition, with evidence in the world of that occurring'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't  , so why is that?  do they think thoughts aren't free and the minds of those people weren't thinking?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they want people to understand the core of the flesh that followed it, or just the flesh that followed it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that they are not free thinking is the core of the Nerionberg defence '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz again spelling '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can be any kind of skin person variation on the world and have the exact same thought as another - you can even both choose to act or not to act on it - why aren't things like that given more criticism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also wotsisfaces experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'milgram?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a percentage, somewhere in the 60s, will follow orders until they administer the shock marked 'fatal', upon prodding from authority figures. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just read the Milgram experiment findings , TY for that '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so while it's nice to believe 'those were nazis and we're better' -- we're not, really, on average.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel chants "We are all Individual!"
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's possible then that hitler actually had people killing people because they're of a certain race, with no underlying theological aspect within the minds of others beyond serving the master?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to that reasoning i mean, 60% is more than 40'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the experiments are extremely disturbing, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the surface you still need to have some sort of justification , however flimsy imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but they continued with the researcher saying 'you must go on' etc. -- not even for anything ideological.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, once you've gone beyond a certain point, stepping back is nigh impossible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep sorry , not in terms of the experiment I mean in it's implementation in the real world - you need a cover story '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but 'they're jews and they're taking our jobs' worked -- hell, if you started rounding up illegal immigrants in america i bet you'd get enough people in general to run concentration camps. not necessarily people here, but enough.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can go further with this , make the individual commit an act reprehencable by societies standards , ahilianating them from the norm. Like mass genocide or killing your parents in the case of recruiting child soldiers '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to combat naziism and other forms of occult government you have to mortify the leader in the minds of the follower's, so they each consider his words and don't follow blindly'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as one assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's understandable why they leave it off the history channel if so'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you suggesting critical reasoning be taught in schools Dru ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it would be good, i went to 6 schools in my early days, and one of them had a verified pedophile as it's principal, he didn't molest me and i didn't witness anything except my own judgement of his character, and this was reinforced by the witness of a female student, and nailed a few years later on the CTV news in a story where he ran away from school with a girl his daughters age'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by doing so you remove the smoke and mirrors trick that is advertising and subsequent consumerism, dangerous talk !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as responsible society of adults you want to equip your new minds against those predator's don't you?  so what if one of them becomes them?  then the rest of them aren't blind'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's me, somehow i can smell evil people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as the sex offender is predatory and preys on the young so does they consumer culture imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does the consumer *'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'm&m's commercial doing naked chocolate m&m's now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stripping naked normalized to the unsuspecting viewer waiting for hockey again , thinking i want som m&M's'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of which, schindler was an opportunistic businessman before he blew his fortune saving people... wonder if you could've decided...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as with Bill Gates "The Philanthropist" '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people behind m&m's commercial's i would have on a watch list if i was the king of the land'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that little bit of corruption into one mind at school, who has 15 friends, who have 15 more, then - dynamic seeds of corruption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were I king of the land they would be on my pay role .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you never know... the nice guy next door may sell you out while that slimy businessman turns out to be a saint when it comes down to the crunch...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did they ever develop these strange habits?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a god from the m&m studio actually has a longer reach than people care to acknowledge'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, carnegie was a complete and total asshole before he went philanthropic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i understand some marketing, but it seems like a cult to me as it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Help !! Dru can smell my evil !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to tell who really has the mental strength to resist the political winds...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can't sell things for how they are then they're not worth buying in the first place, since the businessman obviously didn't put much thought into them'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and although we'd all like to think we do, you can't know until you reach there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tween culture is a pretty good example of a "created need"'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's wrong with chocolate?  i like chocolate - i find the cartoons on tv trying to sell me theirs offensive'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chocolate is disgusting, blargh.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care what company sells my chocolate, as long as they don't poison it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods tzad, hell, iirc raising the mandatory attendance age was part of creating jobs for ex-soldiers ...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at a 50 cent music video, are they trying to tell people to go beyond the shit they see on the screen because being a criminal isn't great, or something else?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends is a teacher -- he had a dad lecturing him about not reminding the kid enoguh about his homework assignment, i.e. 'my son is a child! he doesn't know what's good for him! you need to keep up with him and remind him DAILY about his homework!''
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they say his mtv studio is protected by homeland security, what are the government doing there, if his message is to break their laws?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his son ... is fucking EIGHTEEN.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'last I checked, homework is supposed to be done at... well... home'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm 19 and I don't get my butt kicked for not doing homework etc , I get kicked for low grades '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where the parents are and the teachers aren't...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if the kid was five, it wouldn't make sense...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell tzad, it wasn't even that he wasn't kicking the kid's butt, he was kicking the teacher's butt and saying it was his fault for not reminding his high-schooler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just another reason why I'm not going to teach high school :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the exact opposite of that is what they're tellin people, maybe the homeland security agent's don't realize that and they only protect his main moneymaker because their boss says it's the place to be - like you mention this nazi 60% theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's one kid who might not make it through college...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep "It aint my job" mentality , OK parents get a bad rap for lots of stuff but it is a HUGE job - more should take it seriously instread of palming it off into society / police / teachers etd '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody should really do some investigating and figure out what's going on, because something like that happens again'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well in some cases it is the teacher and in some cases it is the student/parent.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he had a different parent telling him that if he just took ten minutes a day to actually teach his kid one-on-one the kid would do better.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is, it's a class of like 30 :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who dumb down the public, and normalize deterioration i find offensive, they're like the enemies of the sun, mister smithers incarnate'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr...Smithers?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have drug-melded the Simpsons and it makes me sad'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki Lives ! in the red no less !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I came back after 5 minutes...and for THIS?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mister burns with his roof on springfield, maybe the spring is a water metaphor and the roof is a filter cleaning out the supply, chlorine gas used in warfare is a eye opener, used in water treatment is a strange idea - maybe in limited application it would have been believable, but like this?  '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mr *BURNS* blotted out the sun'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the scottish and germans are both reported as having used that chemical warfare in world war 1 - causing asphyxiation and eventual death in all of them people'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or perhaps it was just a funny thing to have happen on a cartoon...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Citation needed'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now, think of a foetus in it's mother's womb who's boiling up a cup of tea, how that little bit of gas she's breathing enters into her baby's bloodstream and what possible retardations this could cause?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would anyone watch the simpsons if it were not written on a few levels ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol scratch that ... sigh .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'through flesh too, absorption is possible, drinking, evaporation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's asthma possibly, other things, maybe chloroform comes in when bacteria is mutated'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a anaesthetic, possibly resulting in seizures and other mental illness'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody ever made the simpsons look so bad as me :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've got a mind like a nihilist though, it's stuff to consider and verifiable'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Chillin like a Nihillind =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'So I'm guessing  abig Nietzche fan too then ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i make an issue out of it so much, because it exists, is quite possibly a contributor, and nobody else does, i never even heard about half the shit i discovered until i looked for it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where people are focused on what they do today, i'm seeing if people do this today, what will be in 100 years?  what's eventual?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, I was reading the wiki article on gas warfare'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't do much myself, kind of live like a hermit - but i did alot of thinking over the years'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'apparently when chlorine was used at ypres a canadian medical officer, who was also a chemist, identified the gas as chlorine and recommended the troops quickly urinate on a cloth and breathe through it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'moreover the conections between apparently dispirate pieces of info is truly individual and requires focus '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the NH4 fixed the Cl ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if something's evil, it's got a common source - maybe it's like a base human nature for defying nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clever of the medical officer, i'd rather breathe urine than chlorine.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in demon's though, so everything being of human origin or other lesser beings isn't a requirement to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I remember something about charcol peach pits ? gas masks ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the canadian medical officer dousing rags in urine and covering soldiers faces'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was disgusting, but so is killing people with chlorine'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey, i would much rather have urine on my face than chlorine in my lungs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm kinda the opposite there , I believe in innate good in mammals '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes humans included '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, one of the summer projects I did was on the evolution of altruism. there's some fascinating research out there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reciprosity and alturism are found in all higher order mammals and are both naturally selected for '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the basis for our criminal and commercial laws too '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder if we were to pare civilization back and apply just those 2 principles and build from there we would get somewhere better than what we have now ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whos for joing a commune ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not me.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they don't damn well work. we have some altruism but we also have a healthy dose of 'why should i work for him' :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats where you gotta have a good cult leader to run your commune !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so this sort of obvious source of evil and social charm in dictatorship is being upheld by the fear of the modern government in exposure by their new found individual populations, if i was in on the meeting's the conspiracy theorists discuss of billionairres discussing the population crisis, i would probably point out that surviving evil if i wasn't a part of it as the mainstay reason for the in the likeness of in all underneath, the replacements'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cause of why so many in the first place, always a coward hiding behind the blind eyes of the 60'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always consider that shit when i watch tv, i was amazed at first how many thing's follow those same guidelines, but it's become expected now'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn Dru that took a few readings .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, using in the likeness of as a word messed it up a bit :0'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i couldn't think of a replacement for that, genesis through the american idol'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big question , how do we "break out" of it ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no easy answer to that, because each stage of it has it's own variable's to consider, and there's only a setting on course and no force driven solution if you want a long term solution that isn't volatile'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you think there is a "path of least resistance" solution ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says 'he who spreads great knowledge spreads great sorrow', i never found out the meaning to that yet, but if it means you're just pointing out what's already there and what's missing, then that sorrow already existed and was just being realized'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of what's missing, rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's solutions to most problems, short of death - i think'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe even somebody can solve that one, i don't limit anybody'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'JC would be proud !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bliss then Sorrow then ? "Removal of desire" "Individuation" "Christ Mind" " enlightenment etc etc ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says to eat that which is bitter and sweet in the stomache, and the wicked have their reward - like i mentioned earlier about how people won't do what should be done in the long run if they see more temporal pleasures to be gained from neglecting the problem and becoming a part of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or just a few gramms of Meth , psycosis and a machine pistol :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it has some wisdom in it, even if it's cryptic - i never understood why it's cryptic'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cryptic makes you work for it ? the answer is working for it ? The answer implicit in the form of the question ? like some Koan or sutra ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol quest time again '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'working for your own mind?  you can come to the same observation without any external mediation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more religious deviltry'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'give ya something to chew over on those cold monastry nights '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's a wonder to me, i don't have the answer because i don't know the mind of the author'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see alot of arrogance in the world though, making that the most probable assumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a Gnostic Christian would say that the closer to understanding your self the closer you are to understanding The Author'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to hold a guilty until proven innocent stance in your mind, it's useful defense against deception, especially with all of the unknown qualities of the mind here in full experience'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'The curse of the average occult student is gulability - A Crowley '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when considering thoughts and their holders, their source - judging situation's accordingly, i can judge nothing with my mind when i need to, a spectre of my subconscious possibly, but lots of people get fooled by their own mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL I got a B for yr 12 english last year ! my spelling is aweful!'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i listen to my thought's though , that's neccessary, just not being taken by them - and how to determine who's taking them otherwise - like when hearing of somebody being possessed by gabriel the angel and reciting the will of god'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does your mind know gabriel from satan?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of experience?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the devil does not know the Kabalah'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats an easy answer '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the bible was as mystical to me as the devil once, hogwash, then i read it and experienced some living and both seem possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's their meanings?  the devil probably has alot to say to a real person'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'depending on your reconing the devil is in all of us and can talk to us '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or you could kick it oldschool and get out the classic circle/triangle evokation of Stan going =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just chant "Bloody Mary" three times while looking into a mirror.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible's reckoning is up and down to and fro in the earth, and we're in the world's body for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we DO NOT want to summon you Starling - the devil is bad enough !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'speaking of mirrors though try having a conversation with yourself in the mirror real fast and see what comes out - can be interesting '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i actually faced a possibility that the bible's entire god was people worshipping their own cleansing from the face of existance as we know it, which is all there is to know - atheist like but with religious inclinations, like some religion on the yin and yang god's, and revelation and divinity in this religion was fueled by people's faith in a good god who is their destroyer'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lake of fire things like that is pretty evil, there's a gnostic text somewhere where satan himself encases the fallen angels in these mortal bodies in the garden of eden, as interpretation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and this world we live on is being destroyed for a version of the cycle of life and death like jainism and hinduism buddha's 7 heavens is, while satan and his servants vye for position within this lower spectrum of existance, removing us, the mortal equation where their souls are eventually recycled and placed in one or another stage - with it's absence, securing their eternal rule'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it had alot of interesting details in it, well thought out by the author probably'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's possible, then satan the good or the bad or the ugly?  to people satan and god are as unknown as can be, but they have faith god is good and satan is evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the word saint evil has no definition, not even spiritual to most, as god, has no definition - they're hollow words holding a persons faith in their good or evil nature, and the churches of both do some abhorrent things on earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheists also do alot of evil thing's, so saying any generalization is good based on it's followers is apt to deflagration'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't know of that particular text ? sounds around the cloud of unknowing ? Interestg way to play with the idea of religion though, nice !'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gospel according to mary magdelene maybe, or revelation'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i found it two or 3 times but never again'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I always had a soft spot for Pratchetts Athiest god of evolution '
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"He is right of course. Some people think that gold is a good investment because it has retained its value (measured in agricultural land) for centuries. That is all the proof you need that the investment is stupid. The agricultural land had a yield all that time. The gold probably got stolen - and had no yield." - some fund manager'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't invest in gold to make a profit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Willie Sutton robbed banks because that is where the money was. Now the money is on Wall Street. If Willie Sutton was reincarnated he would come back as some Wall Street scumbag (or an investment banker). And on Wall Street he would almost certainly not be prosecuted. People who rob banks get prosecuted. People who steal via the stock market not so much." -same fund manager'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this guy's sure got a sense of humour...'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is his name gordon gecko?'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trisha: 'Show a man how to rob a bank and he will go to jail, give a man a bank and he can rob the world.  That is a quote from some other site I looked at.'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"PS. Positions: no gold. Long companies with high levels of management integrity and decent valuations. Short scumbags, slimeballs and villains. Names can be left out of this piece. " - said fund manager's disclaimer'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny title too! "Stocks: you can fondle them and they might put rohypnol in your drink and steal your wallet. A comment on Warren Buffett's recent fortune piece."'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and stop upsetting Starling'
T3/r6/2012-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Man, just saw some video from Syria. Can you imagine having a tank rolling down your city block and shooting at people less than a block away?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil nods.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a terrible kind of life to live isn't it?  i'm not sure the problems will ever be solved'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's not like we don't have the solutions, we're not ignorant, just incapable atm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'saddens me, i have online friends over there and surrounding areas, its hard on them'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'On an ironic side note, kudos to Al Queada.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Their "leader" has publicly encouraged all Muslims to defend the "rebels" (citizens).'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol well freedom fighters is what we trained and gave them all those weapons to be, when they were fighting for thier homes against pakistan back in the day'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle nods at Khaim.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or somethign like that :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Funny how freedom works eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol indeed so'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The terror..er..freedome fighters...er...wait..uh..WMD!'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"Is American Idol on yet, my brain hurts?"'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol you read like a bill hicks clip'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'googling...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you say stuff like that and you dont know who bill hicks is? XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you are in for a treat my friend'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, he's one of those "common sense" lunatics.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol hes a standup comedian, dont take him too seriously till you have seen a good body of his work'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but i could see him saying your exact words if here were alive today'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I just watched it...That was a joke, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '"How do we know Iraq has WMD? Oh, we looked at the receipt."'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim )
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim )
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Invoice would be more accurate, but it's still true.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You gotta dumb down comedy these days. Some Americans wouldn't know what an invoice is.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that like the thing schizophrenics listen to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'outvoices and invoices - seinfeld'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Wow, I bet Bill Hicks has a CIA file.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'he's dead'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but yes he probably did'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, I guess the CIA closed that file.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they probably got one on me too, crazy internet person task force, sip-tiff, ciptf'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im sure this place is many spies XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is some strange people forshizzle'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i study them as much as they study me'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You kidding me? Muds are a CIA plot to keep the masses distracted.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'these are not the spies yopu are seeking'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I guess that makes Lasher one hell of an operative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'warcraft and stuff are muds with graphics'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'reminds me of all the text stuff showing the engine of the game in baldurs gate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, Bill Hicks was from the Southern Baptist culture like me. I missed my calling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they really do collect the littlest detail of your interaction with a program and it's other people, they had over 17 terrabytes of information gathered from the game everquest'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that was small compared to world of warcraft, and likely unreal tournament'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'seems to me the only real difference without graphics is you can do alot of stuff really really fast lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I am ignorant to the graphical mmorpgs, but I assume they don't have the sense of community muds have.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i talked with nasa programmers on unreal tournament, one ran taffy's server - i guess they develop their guidance systems and the bot's custom ai's take on humans who play there'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'depends... i have been in some tight crowds in the newer games, but its the free easily accessed ones that really promote community'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why they bother who knows, they get millions of dollars of funding from darpa though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Just the simple sense of nostalgia that accompanies a text based game encourages an alternative approach to community I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. didnt know that druzil'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it is strange isn't it?  not tested on animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did they know that?  right at that exact time with you predicting they would know that'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their program's can defy any mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, graphical games are much better training grounds for the Air Force I'm sure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but since they're based on the mind they're vulnerable to conforming to it's opposite'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's harder to affect a person unless you can engage all of their senses.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle waits for smell-a-vision...
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while i'd say i agree with all of this mandatory sentencing without justification beyond the imagination of dictator and spying his own citizen's and those in neighbouring land's, that's what the purpose of embassy's and their observation of foreign culture are about, and there's that 60% who would do just about anything for dictator, and that hasn't changed since world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since they don't address the problem of problems here, when it comes to governments, then all of those other measures are tainted by their negligence'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're only justified in their courts, and those are as enticing as their members are'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course they want their courts to be the only courts so they don't ever get questioned , that's what war's are mostly about'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have the liscence to tresspass against whoever you want if you work for the government, that's a crime in itself, falsifying your idea of justice from the hands out'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What you're saying about social stratification seems legit, but from what I've learned it's a symptom of a different problem. Self-perceived and self-imposed sense of scarcity. Until we get a handle on harmonic existence, these sorts of people will always maneuver for an advantage on perceived finite resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Governments are inherently evil beings, they are just made up of flawed intellects.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'AREN'T rather'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government might be needed, but the idea of democracy is every adult member of a democracy has an equal say and their opinions are measured by other than money'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything is filtered through money, from your supper to your daily purpose in life'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Money is also a product of an economy based on scarcity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's worth more money isn't always best for your self, the same thing is true of governments, if people are braincells and their handlers are tumours'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and scarcity is because of overpopulation'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Scarcity is because of ignorance.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see many tumours willing to relinquish the 60% blindly follow control over the masses that hitler passed on'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'firstly, there is a need to ramp up supply, but we need to grow in a sustainable manner'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'our constitutional republic was meant to protect the people from banks and old politics. it has largely failed. you are right druzil gov should have power over the people who fund it today, not us'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they rather a unthinking bunch of sheep who are easy to consume like cows in a field'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no input is required, how to make the living conditions in this fence better, and is it really neccessary?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people could survive on what they do in a day, if they didn't have money to take to a store to buy things?  they have no material substance that isn't fed to them like cows go to the feeder to eat'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess farmers are allowed to graze though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'nothing belongs to people anymore, even land'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's so much worship of this abstraction that the real thing is disappearing, like they don't plan on preventing the polar ice caps from melting, knowing what they're doing to cause it'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'there are restrictions to what you can do with your land and I'm sure those restrictions will only increase'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they never lived on a world where they didn't exist - they didn't invent this land'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well we can't be individually self-sustaining anymore. That is a product of population. As Jacques Fresco says, we will have to cooperate and share responsibilities and resources but we CAN be self-sustaining as a race if we try.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hard to live anywhere when one doesn't exist...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'To use a mud analogy: We need different classes to achieve all the goals here, pwars can't do all the enchanting, and pmages can't do all the tanking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, that is crap, shunting people into class will just create a tiered social system.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Are you responding to me?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think you took my analogy a bit too literally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it is a theory that has been in vogue for thousands of years, dividing the population according to skills or other attributes. De facto segregation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Anaristos, my argument would be that the only problem is imposing the separationg. Humans will develop unique interest and specializations naturally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'So as a society we should nurture and encourage that, not artifically impose it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, encouraging people to congregate rather than segregate would be more beneficial  short and long term. Though they would be harder to manage which is the reason why government (and other institutions) work constantly to move people away from each other.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Congregation and specialization aren't mutually exclusive.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'To your second point, that goes back to what Druzil was saying about governments being the instruments of those futily trying to control resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously not, but congregation is difficult to archive when external agencies are pressuring one to do otherwise. Since we exit the womb we are taught that it is "us" vs "them".'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I can't disagree with that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everywhere we go there is an "us" and there are "them".'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Too bad Jesus had to go and die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, why islam is being spread everywhere and people are afraid to say anything bad about it, which they don't fear about christianity - a centralized god concept with it's subdeviances, i don't doubt for a moment that some ruler is behind it's propagation, why they didn't use christianity is strange though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could be wrong, but that seems most likely to me, centralizing control, sacrificing the stragglers as casualties of the purpose of the centralization'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what would natural god concept be, maybe something you develop in your own mind?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life is the greatest thing i know of, without it death would starve to death'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your own mind's not centrally controlled that i know of - that's the purpose of religions as far as i can tell'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why ghandi makes the catholic priest look like a food for trying to call his religion greater than ghandi's while not explaining any rationale behind his claim's beyond it is written'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The idea that any of the major religions inherently exclude the others is also silly. In the beginnings they all generated from the same concept of social cooperation. Many of the Jewish rabbis taught the people who became Muslim Imams(sp?).'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's basically the same thing you're talking about the trouble of communication, fear of that trouble might be what these religions are about'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but without it, maybe things like the holocaust wouldn't have happened'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if every killer in a army was forced to develop his own justified universal hatred of who you call their enemy, after exposure to them being not as himself, a nonperson, then most of them wouldn't shoot at the other's, cause they took the law into their own hands instead of using them for somebody elses'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'racism helps'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'justified hatred and unjustified hatred, one of them's longer lasting than the other - and who the judge is is often not the individual themself, but somebody else in the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'You make me want to listen to "General" by Dispatch druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen a race of people on the entire world who i can say i hate them all'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you need to hate any?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause some of them do pretty bad thing's and their thing's aren't isolated to text like this, and they don't let that drag them down while they do it again, they even mock their victims'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If you don't know the song, and care, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JjlkfX5Gk'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they warrant my hatred because i wasn't given the same evil grace as them, i could call it a mental illness and not hate the retard, but these retards can run corporations'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle tunes out for a bit.
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, hating an individual is understandable, hating a group because of their race, creed, national origin, skin color, physical fitness or political or sexual orientation is not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and religion :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hating a group because of their philosophy is ok too, otherwise despising the nazi's in grade 10 english literature and constant reproach on television wouldn't be allowed'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when that philosophy is dangerous to other than a corrupt person'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you may hate the philosophy but hating a group is not ever in the best interest.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody's pure, but by corrupt i mean pretty corrupt, like murderer's'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some group's demand murder of their members, they're a part of their philosophy'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless they walk away from that i don't see any way i can not hate them, it takes effort then - and effort in not hating somebody is like holding up a imaginary fist against your true nature, which doesn't want to grant them amnesty from your inner self, which is justifiably against them for what they done'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that you can't assume that any individual of the group is a certain way just because of his membership. Though a river flows in a specific direction you cannot know without direct observation whether any particular drop of water is going in that direction.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's good like that for dealing with them in the world most of the time, but some people exist that won't stop to fix a problem that means life or death in their immediate vicinity when they observe the victim is unduely being punished by a criminal'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't want to snap and go crazy in the real world, day's are filled with flaws and doing that can become on last obsession - but there's that instinct in everybody which tells them what should be done'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'denying that instinct is programmed over time into people, i observed it happen to myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when you see something like the gulf oilspill, and a pile of money, and some economic people discussing the solution - do you think bullshit with the 700 dollar perhour lawyer distributing the funds, or that's too out of my region, i'm not concerned with it - or yes, they're doing all they can do, all the know how?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when world war 2 was happening, having money wasn't neccessary for telling the citizen's serving mandatorily to build warships'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could clean up those problems by neccessity instead of money, always - money's a pretty old evil'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's hordes of peat moss located in my province they could have used to spread and rake and strain the oil isntead of sinking it - this method was both proven affective in norway, and not violating environmental protection acts which their dispersant did'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mentioned that over 30 times while it was happening and they didn't listen to me, but i know they could have cleaned it up alot better and because money was in charge they didn't'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'acts is all they are, pretending to protect the environment, they'll stage anything just to take the masses mind off of the reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't see any followups of the fforts to clean up the millions of fish in the mouth of the gulf of mexico'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mississipi*'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not a single one - that's quite the blackout'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how much powers the people behind the causes have over your government, which is like i said, a tumour as it is'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the body can develop an immune system against cancer, but science doesn't look promising'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thanks, though it is so obvious when you think about it that I doubt I am the only one who ever thought of it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what drives medicine is money, they'll find a way :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faulty immature logic --> defective sentiments --> bad advice --> innacuracy awaiting an audience --> gainsay echoed deviousness --> obfuscation --> smug self-satisfied fooleds and lackeys of the elders'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds like a bad childhood :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only thing immature about common sense is that it's not used enough to grow up'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing common about common sense, that is a miss-statement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to reason with the world is like trying to reason with the devil when you're already in hell, there's nothing he can do to you that won't be done to him'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'suck up to the killer, he likes that, it makes him kill'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do you proofread your utterances in hindsight or are you too smug self-satisfied and spent to look for the errors'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't see no solutions to the world's problems upcoming, man-made as they are - short of natural disaster's which are unpredictable'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally I don't believe in either absolute good or absolute evil.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wait for the devil to manifest a mock and then reminisce on why i remembered'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in both'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to disbelieve'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mind's daunted by absolute truth's, i know about that'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to repudiate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there are no absolutes (in ephemeral existence)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there are though, relative to this place'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely -- most everything may be doubted'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's things you can see with your mind that might make you question the fabric of reality itself, leaving you afraid to dream and to live at the same time, and always just a realization away'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a pragmatic view, but mostly no absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're more than hollow fears like the word god - they might like gods without a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a neophyte, there is no reality'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most religion's had a non-physical basis to their existance, study from the mind - not all of them though, i can see intelligence in the space between me and any object, and sometimes i don't seem to be wrong'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how can you see nothing like intelligence?  that's something i try to figure out, maybe it's just realizing that there's somebody there who isn't mortal like you'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'muhammed seen gabriel the angel who told him about god, and jesus spoke with elijah and moses'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'went to a spiritual mountain to hear from the spirit satan about his worship'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eligions are based on fraudulent deluded deceptive storytellers that preach lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if those things are ok in the world, so are their manifestation without a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are based on fraudulent deluded deceptive storytellers that preach lies'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all kinds of things, as long as they're not destructive to a person'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, all major religions are fraudulent '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i thought to myself that same what if, and seen my idea's of what would be the mind of it's creator'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there can't be a god, everybody worship's the lies i teach them'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so we have a atheist, or maybe devious theist reinforcing his faith -'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of death is natural, but we can obscure this with lies and make it appear like a crime against their person - '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and we're all in this same boat together -'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the answer to whether there is a god or not is likely to take an intelligent individual years of research to come to a new opinion (which may yet change)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that opinion will probably be strained by their desire to finish within their idea of a reasonable time, hasted towards a imperfect ending instead of left unanswered by their ability to demonstrate'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ned'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of smug self-satisfied complacency whn doing research, or you may fall to the side in error'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of the books for sale are filled with that, it's why finding a good one is so special'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are neither man nor woman, they are neither brute nor human, they are ghouls and its their king who tolls...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do, for evoker int, str and dex as high as you can is the best way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the stats (and especially the hr/dr) are important but they won't serve you if the mob is immune.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'hmm how can the police suspend your license before your court date'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has poverty exploded under Obama?'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'looks more alarmist in red anyway :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The is going to end and you may die.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no may about it '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If you're very lucky, it might even happen in that order.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Err.  I meant to say 'the world is going to end''
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But 'the' might end as well.  Destruction is pretty universal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nah, you're fucked, I'm fucked, and everyone else on the planet is fucked, but when all is said and done there will still be a Planet Earth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given "the" is part of the world .. yep it will end with the world '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps even incorporating plastic in a new paradigm, Earth+Plastic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(Reuters) - Phil Angelides, the former chairman of a federal commission set up to look into the causes of the financial crisis, has stepped down from a group seeking to turn a profit by investing in distressed mortgages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no insider trading charges I bet .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Umm, the rich never prosecute their own :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Reuters reported a month ago that Angelides was heading a firm called Mortgage Resolution Partners, which had touted its political connections as part of its "secret formula" for negotiating deals to buy distressed mortgages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Don't you know by now????'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gee...'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back in the old days, a rich like that betraying the citizens of the kings nation wouldn't be immune to the king - and the king has alot of connections'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol still a lil wet behind the ears here  , learning fast tho '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monarchy has some advantages, depending who the king is'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'takes loyalty and years of valuable service to be esteemed not worthy of betrayal though'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'another benefit of monarchy is that the king was trained from birth for the job '
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the first king's, they became that way by their peers'
T3/r6/2012-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least my government does arrest top officials from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'why let the damage to the ozone layer of needless solvent usage keep you from clean knees'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not the inference I was making...'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'you think that the blue dress wasn't dry cleaned (oops he was demo)'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'i think, therefore i am offended by the behavior of politicians and their sycophants'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats are republicans who found a more comfortable position.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'libertarians are anarchists who dislike chaos'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're librarians who found ET.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'fnord says they are all illumiati playing to our foibles anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fnord thinks light bulbs are illuminati.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the man's too paranoid for our own good.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'that is enlightened thinking'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'how disappointing, I'd have atleast expected somebody to go on about how Valentine's Day shouldn't be celebrated because it's "Capitalistic". Oh well, I guess there are no other grumpy singles this year.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'Complaining about things being 'capitalistic' is sooooo Bush-era.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thurgood: 'Now everything is socialism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/152600/Americans-View-China-World-Leading-Economic-Power.aspx'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'democrats and republicans more likely than independents to believe US will be the leading economic power in 20 years. - gallup'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'electric cars are apparently more polluting than gasoline ones.  At least in China.'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oil companie propaganda It's highly effective!'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing new there, really...they let you feel like you're doing something, but the lifecycle's never been great'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Companie? wow...that's a bad one'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's the link: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/uota-urf021012.php'
T3/r6/2012-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cover the car's chasis with velvet and have it run on static electricity :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Sony raised the price of Whitney Houston albums'
T3/r6/2012-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should Argentina be nuked into the stoneage for their attempted colonialism?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(Reuters) - Italian police said on Friday they had seized about $6 trillion of fake U.S. Treasury bonds in Switzerland'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nice to see people think big'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '\o/ '
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not like you get lesser punishment with $1 treasury bond :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't all bonds electronic these days?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, nearly half of social security recipients say they have not used a government program. Likewise for those receiving unemployment benefits, and those on medicare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'wtf, humans don't always tell the truth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/March11/MettlerGov.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'this merits more research!'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even a quarter of food stamp recipients...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not the 'not telling the truth' but the perception of 'government program' that is interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people see those things as entitlements'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I know, but I couldn't find any amazing one liner sarcasm for that'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin meeps at Dispel Majic!
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get government out of social security! Government: get your hands off my medicare! etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government pays more on employing cops to plant cars in slums wiht no work opportunity and prosecuting the people born into no alternative gang banging, than they do in remedying the situation by providing jobs'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could write out a framework which would solve alot of problems, but it would cut organized criminals in parliaments paycheques a bit'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a citizens allowance would solve a lot of it'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they assumed an extra government "program" other social security, uib, or medicare, since the doofus asking was supposed to know that they were already on social security, uib, medicare'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, they just assumed that he's talking about those slackers on (other government program) since they aren't a slacker ...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Q: "are your children on a government program"  A: "No."  Doofus: "but your children go to public school"'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and they eat public-school lunches'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might soon even be the case where you cannot send your child to school with a packed lunch, or that if you do it has to pass FDA muster lest you get called out for child endangerment.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'school may be the most important gov't program, it probably even beats television for turning out docile worker bees who are reasonable competent at solving closed form problems and find meaning through consumption :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I saw another interesting article that said that rich migrants are far more likely to send their kids to public schools than rich american-born parents.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adults should be given $100 a week regardless of income or circumstancse :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why $100?  It's not enough to do anything at all with.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even minimum wage gets more.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what they give the unemployed here to live on'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not supposed to be a wage'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '100 a week is plenty for the very poor...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and minimum wage is something you can only get if you can get employment to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$100 per week may be enough for the experienced to eat and live in a box under the bridge in a warm southern climate'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you said regardless of circumstances.  Which pretty much means it wouldn't matter if you were a CEO or unemployed or the disrespected school janitor.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think even 200 a month would be well worth it, the government might even turn a profit from the decrease in crime.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '400 would probably have too many people screaming'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the poor are to rent a room, appartment, or house, a lot more more cash is required'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what do you think about the mom facing up to a year in jail and $1000 fine for making her son walk to school after being suspended from the bus 5 times?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, 4 people can rent a 1 bedroom apt. Better than sleeping on the streets...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would people be sreaming?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '$200 a month is not enough for poor healthy recipients -- and those with medical conditions shall waste away and get sicker'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough for what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the idea of it is not for people to live off it'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then why waste money by giving it away to people it's not going to matter to?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to help everyone who is hard up'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$100 a week isn't at all going to help that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every year, the amount of hard up people increases marginally'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would help me'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernutsd: enough to die on -- ah, that is your drift (Heil!)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen people who worked hard their whole lives and unemployment etc told them to fuck off'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just cause there's no more work'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you means test it, or apply conditionality, you get abuse and you get equality issues'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'give a few hundred dollars to each person, and I'll bet the ultra-conservatives would flip...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$100 a week might pay for utilities, but then what do you do about rent, insurance, and transportation?  $100 a week doesn't help a bit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that worked hard all their lives were defrauded by the S&L scandal -- those that got rich from that S&L fraud voted for politicians that supported more deregulation'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '400x4 a month should easily cover utilities and rent for 4 in a small, cheap apt...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or even 400x2'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you intent on paying everyone's way?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the poor already get handouts from the governments in socialist countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the number of criminals who started out with a crime born of desperation, I'd bet the cost would be made up in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because the poor get money the rest don't that there exists social divides in socialist countries'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want there to be equality, then every needs to be treated equally'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they need to stop paying people to breed, it's absurd'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big debts that prior governments ran up to stay elected (are slurping up a lot of tax revenues and) are used to pay the rich that hold the debt a guaranteed income (since the USA is not likely going to default on the treasury bills)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of your parties have a plan to deal with your deficit'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way none of ours here'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the rich are handed the resources from the land for almost free, the rich get richer, and the poor are screwed'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is both the "deficit" and the "debt" as difficulties'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad the people can't agree on political reform'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Daily Show highlighted Leiberman as a selfish "crook"'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leiberman disliked reform based on obfuscation and feigned ignorance of what some words meant'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally find it odd, given you're supposedly the land of the free, land of liberty, that the only 'freedom' you protect is the right to bear arms, yet you don't offer the right to health and dignity, yet your parties are idealogically opposed to those with alternative sexuality, lifestyles, or religion'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the phrase "hypocrites' comes to mind'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leiberman, feigning ignorance of what some words meant, objected to reform on insider-trading liason associated with congress members'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is murder, yet allowing someone to die because they don't have healthcare isn't?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"hypocrites" are ot affectd by the label "hypocrites", so using that word is ineffective'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is not murder'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is elimination of an unwanted fetus'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is a predatory planet -- something somewhare gets eaten'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) there is a God, then most of the human race are viewed as selfish animals, especially the rich human animals'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'We were created in his image, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's being wealthy, and being so knowing what you take from others imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can empathize with the former more than the latter'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we weren't created in his image?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God" is over and above the "images" that evolved'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose that's what lots of people like to think...'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, menstruation is a premature abortion.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the better images may be indicative of the influence of  something, (and not necessarily of god)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is as real as pro wrestling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was possibly very deep'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tomatoes and potatoes'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not wrong on this one, Zade.  At best, God is classically real and totally unwilling to offer definitive evidence (ie, belief and hearsay).  At worst, we just totally made him up and did such a good job of it that practically everyone is invested in the idea.'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to string theory, there may be myriad bigbang modeled universes, with evolving predatory planets -- and perhaps "God" may visit one of those myriad which indicate a potential viability --  and as for the other myriad predatory planets: godless, godforsaken, headed to the lake of fire (yep, all the religions are likely wrong where they preach salvation)'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Hell is actual, and if anybody is "saved", they are saved for Hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Hindus preach salvation as non-existence, in the hope of avoiding the everlasting torments of existence'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'others believe in reincarnation, and crossing the river of life and deaht to reach immortality'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What if I believe in pasta-based divinity?'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps endless reincarnation "immortality" is part of the everlasting torments of existence'
T3/r6/2012-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wht if you believe in lies .. then you are deluded'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'maryland'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol >>http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-bible-011457960.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's obviously based on the koran'
T3/r6/2012-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so ya, i bet this debate happens at least on a weekly basis in the marine corps.. why no women?? the answer I got from my CO was what I explained earlier.. studies show that well trained men who the gov. has spent a lot of money training break down like feeble children when they see a woman they care about get shot on the battlefield. just to put that question to rest XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shot men look good on tv for the polls...shot women, not so much'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that must only be true for US soldiers. Many insurgencies use women on the front lines. They are as entitled to fight for their freedom as men are. '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Insurgents typically don't vote.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is not the issue, the issue is that in the US the mentality is that women should be barefoot and pregnant, and not necessarily in that order.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you say that like it's a bad thing, ana :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Only because insurgents don't have TIME to vote. They're busy.. uh.. insurging.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's not a bad thing, really :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'different issue, women on the frontline has been outlawed by military institutions. but i think another interesting topic is found in the term 'insurgents' i would call them freedom fighters'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Also, wtf barefoot?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'you said yourself that they are fighting for their homes and lives'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyone else listen to that Dubya parody podcast? "How do you beat an insurgency? We'll...SURGE them, that's right. Surge the troops.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's an old saying, Ryke :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Sounded more like a redneck saying. :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'barefoot refers to their second class status.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all depends on which side you're standing...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If they were fighting for freedom, I''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. but their side sucks i am sure, here we get to enjoy the benefits of racism and oil consumption'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...I'd support them - as it stands they are just another side on the continuing crusades.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it's barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and don't forget the flat head...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true vakieh, their wars over there long predate any history i know of lol. we should not being going into debt stirring it up even more..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their wars? The crusades don't leave the white folk blood free...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'is there something wrong with women not being sent to the front lines?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'didnt say anythign of the sort'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's sexual bias?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I bet this confuses the hell out of the feminists'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US strategy is simple, destabilize the M.E. and they go in and "save" it, and of course controlling the oil so that "terrorists" won't destroy it. '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'does that not show their greater worth?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Paying for a date confuses feminists...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'only that it demoralizes men, who can then no longer fight after seeing a woman die ronin'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke flashes a mischievous grin at Vakieh.  Hmm. is it time to run and hide?
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'creating a rule that says what a gender is or is not allowed to do, is bigotry'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, so are you saying that men have turned into pansies since the Middle Ages? Lots of women died violent deaths during those days. Didn't bother men that much. You also must consider that it was men doing the killing, mostly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Men should be allowed to give birth too, damnit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there have been lots of nations throughout history, where the women fought alongside the men'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I said allowed, not capable of'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'bigotry or not, I don't think it is wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'for example, women should be allowed to be firefighters, but should still be held to the same level of required strength and fitness'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if a man is stupid enough to allow a woman to shoot him because he can't bring himself to harm her, then we really don't need his genes in the pool. That kind of brainpower needs to be removed :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'men are allowed to give birth. No law against it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not yet :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, one man has given birth...kind of (definition of "man" is hazy on that one)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet if a man ever gets modified enough to give birth, the US congress will pass a law for crimes against nature or some other bs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well the gender definitions are pretty fuzzy when you start examining them'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No they are not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what Lucy said :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I base my determination of gender on who has the womb..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'ranrr: yes they are'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'male and female restrooms were designed by bigots'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what about someone with a womb and a penis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone can have a womb, all you need is surgery.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Freak.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'noone gets what i am saying lol. men who see women on their on side, women they care about, break down if they see them die. loose the will to fight. in our modern day when this debate takes place lol. in the past, fighting for life and liberty then yes women join the fight  obviously'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you have a womb, you are a woman. If not, you are a man.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not anyone can have a womb...anyone can have a cavity...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'id feel pretty bad if my male friend died in front of me'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what about women born without wombs?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lmao'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can't draw black and white lines like that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess they are neuter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'In fact, dentists would prefer that more people have cavities.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, a person is only officially a freak if it cannot pass on his/her mods to his/her offsprings (assuming they can have any). If they can pass the mods, then they are natural mutations. Stress on "natural".'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Why're you bringing race into it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having a cavity is not having a womb...surgery cannot give you a womb'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you have a womb and a penis, you are a woman with a penis, and are thus just plain wrong until you get one or the other cut. Preferably to match xx/xy status'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and of course in my statement 'the past' is synonymous with 'the third world''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'female in biology is actually defined by the gender having the larger gamete (not all species have a "womb")'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the cavity allows gestation then it is a womb.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'surgery cannot give a cavity that allows gestation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My giant black marker does great for drawing black lines. That and my inate distaste for blurred genders. Do anything you want, but be one gender while you do it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'now we are getting somewhere lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not yet, Abe :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and vakieh is a good example of why we can't have nice things'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Shims are nice things? I disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we make a mechanical womb, is it female?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'A tolerant society would be a nice thing'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't those things call incubators, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We should put trannies into their own brigade and send them out to confuse and demoralize the enemy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'would it averan? who's to know?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'who's ever got to see a tolerant society? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'people can be tolerant.. but groups of people is another story XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am tolerant of most things, but unless we make a new gender of 'other', I don't want any mixing. De-penissed men in the women's changerooms shoudl always be illegal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I hate that argument.  "Oh humans aren't very nice/tolerant now, so they'll always be this way."'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'in india there are 3 official genders i believe'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you can justify anything with that argument'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'and by official i mean it is literally a third checkbox under gender'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I fail to see what your point is. Is a country is attacked why can't some of its citizens not participate in their defense? Why must they owe someone else for their safety? Well, we fought to preserver your freedom. Well, yes, asshole, you wouldn't give me a gun so I could it myself...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Most countries have that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i said nothign about the future, just right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'theres a name for it that escapes me right now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'male, female, people we pretend to care about but don't?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'who said that anaristos?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Male, Female, Whip that out where I can see and I'm liable to cut it off?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's like the use is dripping with anticipation for the first woman to become president. Something that is common around the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US should move into the XXIst century :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'America has nothing to prove about equality of genders, seriously'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We should elect a female president simply because we haven't had one yet?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the more religious countries are, the less likely to get a female leader, I'd guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hehe...the US is still stuck in Smithian economics, they might as well be in the 1700s...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there has never been any kind of equality in the US, whether they feel the need to prove or disprove, that's another topic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: '...we do have a black president right now, you realize...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected smithian economics and went back into the economic dark ages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, that's awesome, Ryke.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'zimbabwe has had black presidents for ages'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'would be nice to have a real economy though.. and not one based on an imaginary paper money system'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bleeding cures for everyone'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'South Africa had a black president before the US, and that is very telling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'with its first black president, US is moving towards zimbabwe really quickly'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and btw.. what ever happend to america being a constitutional republic? wtf is this democracy bullshit? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can vote. On the people we select, with the agendas we want.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'paper isn't much less imaginary than the pieces of shiny metal people used to use as cash...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'vote Ron Paul... all your political problems will go away... don't be a bigot against old geezers...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is not a democracy, it's a republic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you think the electoral college has not been removed? Without it the republic would lose definition. They may replace it, but whatever replaces it will still do the same thing. The US president is elected by the states, not the people. Only the landowners can vote in a republic :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'sonshi.. i want you to really think about what you said there. you said paper is worth as much as gold. i would say you are true only when you take the value of each and trade clean cut stacks of paper straight across for equal value of gold XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think Plato would agree with that definition...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'what sonshi is saying is that the precious metals were arbitrarily made to be valuable'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the problem is that the value of the paper dollar is controlled by men, the value of gold is controlled by the market, which is controlled by men, but its more difficult, and gold is rare'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'but they dont inherently have any value, just like the paper money we use'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The economy would work a lot better if more people could make the mental connection between money as a representation of NLK'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'paper isn't worth as much as gold... Much its worth isn't much more imaginary than that of gold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... typos...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, thank Nixon for that :) Before him, the US dollar was silver certificate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'some asshole cant just print out 100billion more dolars worth of gold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, he can'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'takes time and effort to mine it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at Vakieh.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'alchemy?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's exactly what the Federal Reserve does, Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim pats Vakieh on the head and calls him a good boy
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'federal reserve creates gold?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thankyou anaristos the point i am trying ot make LOL'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'just because you can't create more gold doesn't make gold suddenly not have any variation in value'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it prints billions of dollars'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, he buys all the gold, and hoards it. Prices rise astronomically, and nobody notices Vakieh read the statement backwards.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read again what he wrote...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea exactly'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Doesn't everyone have their own philosopher's stone?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the gold supply can't keep up with the industrial economy. No government force will be able to suppress the economic force against gold for long...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the value of gold is more stable, reliable'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no actual connection between the US currency and gold. The US currency is back by the US debt.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but gold is just one resource'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'cmon guys do i have to do all the thinking here? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'precisely anaristos, hence the term 'fiat money''
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'the money system we have now was designed to fail'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'based on age old tactics'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try to make the people use gold, and they start printing their own paper money. Keeps happening.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'nobody is going to use physical gold as actual currency, the logistics of that would just be stupid'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey, I have some mega Zimbabwe notes - if this keeps up, maybe I get my hands on some 1 Trillion Dollar US notes?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'so just make that paper represent its value in gold, or any other resource that has actual value'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats how it used to be'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need to regulate the fractional system more closely, and a black market will develop for gold certificates issue by underground banks'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'gold was used as the standard of course, but a dollar could be traded for a dollars worth of gold, and that didnt change over time, the only change was the value of the unit of gold. what we have now is one dollar buys less and less gold, each dollar that is printed. each additional dollar devalues all others, and they keep printing'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interest rates would go up and deflation will get increasingly severe. Won't take more than a few decades until the government falls.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well fractional reserve banking is unconstitutional'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'even the bible declares it evil a number of times, they knew about this long long ago'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course a dollar buys less and less gold. The economy's expansion in modern times has completely outpaced the gold industry'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim gives up
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and outlawing fractional reserve banking won't stop private fractional banking'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol that my be true'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and i dont argue that gold cant keep up with the economy, it doesnt have to'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fractional banking, after all, existed long before government had anything to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed. all this stuff we deal with now is old news. ancient techniques'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'why it pisses me off lol. we dont learn from history well'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'money supply not keeping up with economic expansion necessarily results in deflation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and pumping debt creating money into unsustainable economies causes mass starvation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that leads to high real rates, which means the economy will be in a perpetually depressed state'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't see mass starvation happenning in many countries...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'then travel there XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how well the economy runs has more to do with how well run and clean the government/society is...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm..so our sick economy is a result of our sick gov/society? i'll buy that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You got that right'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the primary reason why everyone has abandoned the gold standard in favour of fiat money is because there's no real competition to it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Corporate vote-buying fucked all your checks and balances, which existed for a reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that very reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with fiat money, the money supply can be carefully regulated by the state, which in a well run democracy works in the interests of the people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more or less, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm.. so you look at conforming to fiat money as a way to compete with rival nations?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fiat money is a contract for an amount of work. The gold standard is just based on the arbitrary decision that gold is valuable because it is rare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'switch back to gold, and you'll have all the same corruption, plus a big additional economic hole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's better for a country to have control of its money supply, rather than hand it over to countries like south africa and russia'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'right ranrr, fiat money = slavery, and gold = money, you are right'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, my employer expects an amount of work in return for the money they give me. If you call that slavery, then ok.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'each year(raises excluded) you owe more work for less money, so yea i call it that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's slavery :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'monetary is backed by the state, not your employer..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need to improve your negotiation skills, if that happens to you Khaim.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's never a good idea to base your money on any one commodity... Oil? Then OPEC/russia and co. will control you. Gold? Australia, S. Africa, China...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'money*'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason is slavery is because the employee is not allowed to set his/her worth. The employer does that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'slavery doesn't give you a choice...you do have a choice with your employment (even if it's a choice with only shitty options :P)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'true for the individual ranrr, but as a whole its unsustatainable, makes it worse for  the next generation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the employee can... The employee looks for the highest bidder, and the employer looks for the lowest bidder, all else being equal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'unsustainable* lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'slaves have a choice'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'all things are usually not equal! :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do or die is a bit beyond a shitty set of options...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in good economic times, it's a sellers market - not going to give me a raise? Bye, I'm leaving for company B.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in bad times, it's a buyer's market...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's been a buyer's market for a while now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and how is that different with employee/employer? It's not the steps that define the difference, it's the result. In both cases, the result is the same.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the result is nowhere near the same'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Recession - "I'm cutting your pay, whatareyougonnadoaboutit?" (Unless you have a prior agreement)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The other option is that you are given a job by the government, do it whether you like it or not, and they give you what you need to survive. Might be nice for people without brains, but I prefer to choose.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'get a good, clean, government, and it'll be a seller's market more often than not...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, let me drop some acid so that I can enjoy the good, clean, government :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that part takes some work'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya making acid is hard'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the key problem in the US is really the quality of government... there's no need to try funny ideas like bringing back the gold standard or abolishing the fed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the rich people agree with you, Sonshi. No worries :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'heh you may be right. time for a total abolishment of the union? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'breaking the country apart may not be as bad an idea as some people think, if it could somehow be done amicably...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Perhaps the US should import some politicians from Greece, I heard those guys do a great job. Or maybe portugal, or italy....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'we need to look to what societies have done when it happened in the past'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, don't get carried away by the freedom afforded by the US government. The US citizens are not free to secede :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'which i dont know'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'greek politicians are pretty awesome'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they can help their citizens get free stuff for no effort'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people pointed out recently that the ten most conservative states receive substantially more in transfers per capita from the fed than the ten most liberal ones... ironic given how the small govt types are more likeyl to be conservative...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't want to live in greece right now though, doesn't seem like fun...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where "some people" were krugman and I forget who...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'living aint all fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am sooo happy that Sweden decided aginst the euro :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, these days... in greece your cocktail is more likely to be of the molotov variety than previously.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if only greece had listened to those who said joining the euro was too hasty...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there were a lot of economists who warned pretty loudly that monetary union without fiscal union is a bad idea...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as usual, politicians shrugged and said, hey, what do academics know about policy anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a good question, you must admit :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What germany and france still don't realize is that the euro is like a marriage. She bought it, you pay it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with the euro is the US :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they can't stretch their legs because the US economy will fail then'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and we are all indeed connected. if anybody falls it will hurt everyone, to an extent'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at the us, that's how it goes... when some states get in trouble, they automatically get bailed out by federal programs... sometimes with non-automatic stuff too'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'California didn't get bailed out :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea some states really benefit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're not willing to do that, why join the euro?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are going through growing pains, Sonshi. Eventually it will become stable.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'but many federal programs funnel money into cali, and all states'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it doesn't collapse first'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is too much at stake, going back to the old way is really not an option.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'famous last words...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ill go along with that, but i think its important to fully grasp how bad its, and could be'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'growing pains? I think if they were growing they wouldn't be going through this'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'california is one of the largest economies in the world....that money funneled back to us is our tax money...we should seceed and leave the right wing nutjobs out in the cold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'if you do im applying for citizenship'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, there was some event in the past, I think they called it the Civil War, which tends to indicate that secession is not an option :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'haha im not from texas i was joking unlike those crazies'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that was a sarcastic crack at texas '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Mexico is going to reclaim Texas one of these days :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... I was just looking it up...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their figures are accurate, california pays a lot more to the federal govt than it receives'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe part of cali was mexico too'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would say all of Caliifornia, Arizona and New Mexico.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while new mexico, mississippi, alaska, louisiana, and west virginia are the biggest moochers'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, those are 2005 figures...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just wait until the buffalo wants their land back, that'll be a bloody time...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the biggest moocher is Colorado, they should change their motto to The Welfare State.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'according to that list newmexico is, colorado is down there with cali doing well'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'colorado paid more to the feds than it got in 2005, according to those figures...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and washington dc is raping the wealth of this nation XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Colorado leads the nation in federal subsidies.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it is washington...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than offset by the taxes paid, it appears'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah that was my point...its like healthcare and education....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Colorado doesn't produce anything :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, wait, they produce snow.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and mystical sunsets'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you call it a private industry and charge people 3x more then they are happy if you make them pay 1x in taxes they freak out'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'California: Same taxes as Sweden, but you still have to pay for healthcare and education. Well done.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hehe i love cali ....smart enough to elect the governator'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'larger states getting screwed over by the feds include... NJ, illinois, california, NY, mass...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, wait! NJ is still part of the Union?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'californian tax money's flowing to states like alaska and new mexico, that's why...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ya just moved to one of those states you listed lol, from the poorest state actually.. Idaho.. but jobs are in abundance here from what i experienced out west'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would gladly let them have the our extra tax money if they would use it to educate themselves so we have hear the palins, santorums and their kin'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'so we dont have to hear'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol thankyou for that ucla'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the money's flowing from the rich states to the poor states. Perfectly normal in a monetary union'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not forget Ann Coulner...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i just want to cry when i hear people like that spout their hateful stupid shit'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the germans and french were serious about the whole euro thing, they need to shut up and cough up the cash. Otherwise, kick out greece.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'it saddens me because people who would benefit and help the country fall for it and make things worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it weren't for people like that, Ucla, who would work on the Fox network?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we wouldnt have it and life would be better'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that the german and french debt is about the same level as the US. They aren't exactly rich.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i dont think anyone is really free..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The euro zone needs some inflation....'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'run free...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'freedom is a market well dominated'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not really....unless you hang out with the bushes and their brethren'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reminds me... heard of the chinese (american) actor who played in an attack ad as a poor chinese worker thanking obama or whoever for moving the jobs to china?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bush is ok, but Bush isn't :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol no i havnt sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was both funny and sad...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love that hypocrisy.  The US corporations that ship work overseas are loudest to condemn the loss of labor to the wogs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and ya know.. i dont hate ol Bush, you know the guy cant even run his own life let alone hold down a job..'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'er... I mean foreigners.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'kinda feel bad for him. hes like the retarded kid they just put through the grade levels'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its all brilliant distraction and reagans trickle down bs gave the capital to go exploit 3rd world labor'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh... I was just looking this up on wikipedia... guess which country is the biggest gold producer?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'oh who'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'somewhere in africa'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'alaska!'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lithuania'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You are making excuses for Bush. He may have been addled, but his family put him there so that they could continue to rape the country and he went along with it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim shudders
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I thought it was S. africa, but it seems they're second'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you gotta love him going to yale....sure he earned that'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He's a first class asshole right there with the rest of the family.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i bet he is hightly medicated so as to not kill himself'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hes so dumb i think he believes he earned everything'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in 2006, they had more than a quarter of global production...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What he did makes what Wacker Bush did in Colorado seem like a youthful prank. Ditto for Jeb in fla.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i still cant help but feel some empathy for them all.. to a point. sometimes. im feeling benevolent all of a sudden lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you've got to be kidding.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'problem is the jokes on us and they have empathy for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the dumb thing is just an act...he's brilliant in a Columbo sort of way (maybe a Monk sort) :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, I am losing this thread. The Bush family has empathy for us?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, Abe.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'idk anymore.. im just tired of being so angry i guess'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i meant to say and they have no empathy for us'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'hes brilliant like the kid whose dad pays for everyone to play on his team and let him win....the system was rigged '
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'im still young ya know? 25, just really coming to terms with the fact that everything is a fucking lie and it sucks lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, learn some econs, learn some math'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is even more scary is the number of people who voted for Bush, even after you discount the ballot stuffing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'learning to trust people. trust them to behave as always'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it doesn't suck so bad when at least some stuff gains a bit more clarity'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh im tired of that sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'doesnt apply to the way things really work anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'as ucla stated, the system is rigged, the rules are manipulated'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this course in game theory... learnt how companies can price-fix without any direct communication or agreement'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'jesus, shoot me now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'XD'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to start thinking in terms that we live in a defacto feudal system. Not just here, but also globally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also had this model which showed how, in theory, an oppressive system can sustain itself even if absolutely no one desires it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even the guys at the top, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is some scary shit sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let's see, Stalin, Bush, those are good examples :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, in practice, the guys at the top aren't opposed...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'well.. business models always have to grow. but that doesnt work'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'in reality, all things ebb and flow'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see, the thing is that people are fooled into believing that things are different in the US  because the leadership changes every so often. What they are not aware of is that policy doesn't really change. Only the implementers of the policy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all these unsustainable practices that bring about our own demise'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the more you study, the more you may learn to perceive the "ebb and flow"'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and a lot of good that will do you, heh, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ehh i know enough at this point'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'im a dodger fan and they havent won the world series in over 20 years...and people think you can turn around a country in 4-8 years.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'its going to eat itself anyway, why bother'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, at least you'll know which countries to run to if anything happens...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its like high school elections people making crap promises'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'becoming aware of the ebb and flow might be as good to one as the ability to see a supersonic bullet coming at one :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seeing what's happening won't save your ass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol perhaps. i wonder where could be safe. everyoen faces the same problems'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i know many of the backwoods of america. ill survive, for a while'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that Bush faces the same problems I do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are almost always well run countries in any age...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the right qualifications and some forewarning, you can always move...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i mean people worldwide anaristos, the 1% excluded lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the scandinavian countries seem awesome then you look at their suicide rates and wonder what the hell'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that might be because of the weather :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'thats what they say but thats seems crazy to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people were wondering why certain countries with high "happiness" ratings also had high suicide rates...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to be happy you have to be more sensitive, so...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was a bit of speculation that perhaps being surrounded by happy people makes depressed people more likely to be suicidal.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to be more sensitive you have to be more unstable :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'more pain you have felt more pleasure you can experience eh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'LOL sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'that is an interesting theory'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Camus had his opinion about suicides and I've learned to see it that way.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps it's more like... "everyone around me is happy. There must be something wrong with me. Now where's my knife..."'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah but if there were that many depressed people why would it have such a high happiness rating'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'maybe the depressed are way more depressed'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'or maybe there was mass assassinations masked as suicides'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'less likely.. but plausible'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people suicide because they don't get enough attention, suicide is a very selfish act meant to punish those left behind. My opinion? You want to do a dive from the 40th floor? Let me push the elevator button.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the average joe is happy... but perhaps that .5% really has some problems...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim is willing to bet anaristos has never known anyone who killed themselves
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's more miserable being out of work in a country with 2% unemployment, than being out of work in a country with 10% unemployment. Or 20%, for that matter.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't have to be happy, besides, I don't think happiness exists as a state. All you really need to be is willing to accept that being alive is wonderful.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no matter what'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'wow they must have really low taxes to have all those jobs.....ummm nope lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the alternative, being dead, sucks big time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'living probably sucks more but we will never know'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my countrymen seem to me to tend to be a bit more cynical than in other places... this makes them a bit grimmer and less happy than people in, say, scandinavia, but at least we don't have that many suicide...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, living is living, death is returning the chemicals you borrowed to the ecological bank :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea dead looks pretty easy, im not done struggling to do accomplish things just yet lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I don't see the thrill of being recycled.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, out suicide rate is somewhat low for an industrial nation...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all i know is i dont want my body to be pumped full of chemicals and used to pollute the water supply'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lower than the us...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'sonshi where are you'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, my country's female suicide rate is over half of our male suicide rate. Much higher than in other countries.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more gender equality there!'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you still probably have an excess of females.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from singapore, studying in philly now'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Excess of females? how is that possible'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah i remember the philly thing from another conversation'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'an excess of females who don't want kids...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'dont most countries have more women than men'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'women live longer, so...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'the question is how many of the excess are hot'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'natural that there'd be more of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, looking at the stats on wikipedia, it seems that the suicide gender gap is much smaller in east asia, for some reason...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hey, there's a simple way to improve gender equality that women can do themselves :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whether gqs should have such tough outings, that's another question.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that they panicked when they went in there and realized that it was going to be a long gq :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis again'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did they bury Whitney Houston or cremate her?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Burial is today'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'burial i guess is safer'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they cremate her, whole bunches of ex-celebrities will be waiting there to try and snort her ashes'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oops, sorry, I am a day behind :) But no, she was buried.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's cold'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so's she'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I assume you are trying to make a point...'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, celebrity is fickle'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, so what's new?'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would discard junk first :)('
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no points to be made'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a celebrity croaking prematurely merely brings an unwelcome distraction to the plight of the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was more deeply saddened by the loss of Michael Jackson, myself'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one dies prematurely'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'life expectancy is just that an expectancy based on some statistical model. If everyone died only when they reached  their expectant date, there would not be any need for such model :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She lived longer than Morrison, Hendricks or Japlin.'
T3/r6/2012-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'teleport behind vs. backstab. Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mexican drug cartel members kill 44 rival inmates, escape with help of corrupt prison guards...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Does Cold-FX work instantly as claimed? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/01/12/cold-fx-claims.html they say made in canada on the bottle, but it's made in china in a filthy laboratory and found several bacteria and other things in the contents, strange stuff for a government department paid more than 80,000 construction workers in a year to be missing isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Psychological_and_torture_experiments'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Herbie Fully Loaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SdNW3_Sh6E coot,  Sportka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XByICluCArg not coot, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 weird or what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'what. top gear for kids?'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the city of regina spent 19,000 dollars on a survey done by phone over 500 citizen's whether they thought the police force was ok, 75% said ok yeah, but 19000 dollars, at most 2 minute conversations, that's 1000 minutes for 500 phone calls, that's 600 minutes = 10 hour work day, + 400 minutes = 2/3s of a 10 hour work day, so for 1000 minutes, in 2 days, you can 'earn' 19,000 dollars, that's over 1000 dollars an hour'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it wasn't accurate because, other citizens said that their ethnic minority and their perticular missed phone calls felt often segregated by the police'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you think getting through to one person by randomly calling phones takes 2min... well...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Menahem: 'ridiculous, you assume everyone answered the survey and account for no time for data analysis or parsing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm sure we've got wrok for you!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'work.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And ignoring people like me who hang up after beginning the spiel.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if they used an india call center or something too, never know'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can get a full slate of callers going for maybe 5 dollars and have the job done in a hour'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just seems outrageous is all, they shouldn't mention the price if it was fair'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'way back when I had to call people for stuff, people who were legally obliged to pick up and give the requested info, it still took forever to contact them... and process the data...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too much crooked stuff around to not look at the negative possibilities, in my opinion - just seemed like an excessive amount of money for 500 phone calls'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and all the recipients of them calls are possibly guaranteed to not verify eachother etc, another possible crooked thing, they diddn't even make them..'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '19000 is NOT a lot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, 19k won't even pay for the "services" of a local govt official!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, it's not alot to some people, but 19,000 dollars is more than 9,000 bolivian workers earn in a day'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to a movie i saw dealing around year 2001 called even the rain'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's more than 0, and did they get any real use out of the survey? :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but it's not a lot out of a budgetting expenditure.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, his issue seems to be that he thinks they overpaid significantly.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, they just found that it was inaccurate, but made them look good when the 75% was considered'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'For 0 use, 0 usd is fair price!'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good cops and citizens lookin for them don't need survey's to know that they're not crooked'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that a survey was thought to be needed at all speaks volumes '
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'who knows? I think surveys are overrated in general but I'm just sayin that's not really an unfair price.'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people won't work for you for free, even if you are just going to take their services and flush it down the toilet'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the issue of whether they overpaid is separate from the issue of whether it was worth it...'
T3/r6/2012-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well. Labour party is set to implode - have you all got your anarchy survival kits?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or plane ticket?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'get on a sailbot and sail way out, live off fish until it calms down'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where would we go? The rest of the world is only more fucked up atm'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sailboat :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'wtb sailbot, pst'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your part of the world, maybe'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Canada, kick out Harper the Tyrant, and I'll come visit'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can come to the US to avoid the draft :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'But I hope you like jail :('
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What draft?'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'never mind... it was an allusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'alas a losing allusion'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Viet Nam wasn't that long ago.'
T3/r6/2012-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe if you caught up on your contemporary history the reference would have been obvious.,,'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have a weapon with changing?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it just me, or do these images look pretty similar?  https://www.dekalb.ca/western/Pages/Home.aspx , the symbol on the page, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hells_Angels_France.JPG'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd think they're unrelated but i don't think they didn't see that distinction before, so i'm curious, which owns which or who inspires who?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just seems too strange to be random, violent biker gang started around the time of massive human experimentation in the usa by soldier's and such, and immutable chemical company'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'they dont look the same to me'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, one's missing a little skull and is pointed the other way, with possibly a layer of wing missing from the right corner'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're contrasts, where else are winged symbols like that seen?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i really haven't seen them anywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah HA and others started from bomber crews etc but they do have some industrial clout , Nomads run alot of transport in W oz esp'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'detroit red wings'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah yeah, red wings, there's one'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'WWII bomber crews*'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems there's dekalb illinois and that's where detroit is, maybe that's where they got it then'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what made the hells angels choose their symbol i wonder, there's gotta be some common root to the expression's'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps the wings have something to do with flying- perhaps airforce'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you see many angels depicted withOUT wings...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you call yourself angel, wings pretty much are a given'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but if angels today are companies and violent gang's then what makes angels of yesterday any different?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and winged symbols like that are seen pretty much everywhere...you could find a dozen organizations with similar symbols in any decent-sized city'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, you should see the kind of things some of these bullies take offense at, they wouldn't be getting away with analogies very easily if they're not distinctly different, imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-did-the-hells-angels-get-their-name-what-does-it-mean-and-where-did-they-come-from'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard one story about a person my uncle knew who was walking down the street in vancouver, had a tattoo on him that resembled that not so meaningless symbol, and a couple of the members of the hells angels supposedly took out a hunting knife right on the street and cut itt off his arm'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, you heard a story about a guy that someone else knew once...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, true story though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as far as you know'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'despite my being a second-generation lifer biker, I'm sure you're more familiar with the HAs'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'lifer biker haha'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know they're dispersed everywhere and people don't mind that, but wherever they go follows dehumanization'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wannabes and prospects might on a really stupid dauy act like that but not a member , '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'publicity campaigns don't fool me'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you're right, it's still sick though, abelinc was pointing out how everything is that symbol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no big deal, so i pointed out something that was like that everything and was brutalized'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lifer'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mis'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keep ur 1% to yerself :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd never go 1%, not my style'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'americans sure glorify their biker gangs, even though they're all filth in their sight'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't worship my enemies'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was making a jojke , not an observation =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'clubs, not gangs ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who treat me like a nazi don't get my respect'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nat'l association for zero intolerance'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no different than the black serpents on mtv playing in the jail to a audience of delinquents about the glories of criminal life, and that's just in the prison'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jay z singing about selling crystal meth to children in new york city for instance, that's some stuff to sing about, he trying to raise awareness against it, or normalize the phemonenon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the godfather and other thing's like that, movies showing the ups and downs but inevitable control of a criminal organization of the law of the land and every aspect of your life - backed by vegas and other places for examples, brainwashing'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched that movie called the good fella's, how cause they weren't pure breeds (mussolini wikipedia) they weren't allowed into the group'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now there's some glorified racism, criminal acceptance and desire to have some of their candy'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that only the lowest strata of society is fully transparent as they cannot /have not the facility for guile. That groups dictate to this strata is just basic social darwinism imo. I think higher socio economic groups are controled through more hads off methods ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hands off *'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i notice how easily high people say whatever they want, however offensive against the majority or a subject if the independent minority touched would be metaphorically crucified for by the social engineering of the high people'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(this social engineering is exemplified in several places in the bible story, it's nothing new, the high priest of the jews was the false prophet)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since people have faith that jesus rose from the grave and conquered the death the priest 'prophecized' (at the start of gospel story, then moving on as his servants pay men in the crowd to chant to crucify jesus and free the killer to pilate)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the preoccupation with petty criminals , gangs etc divert attention from the real crimes/ criminals - our socio economic elite'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of prophet i see nostradamus as'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't read much of his things, but to have them worshipped by the higher people you have to come from their generation's masters'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in russia, they say these orphan's who get sold to pimps by government funded social worker's spend time at public library's where they access the internet, which is full of webpages on nazi groups, which the government has a hand in, both the destruction of the children by itself and the leaders of the nazi outlaws in their nation, i seen this on a 1 hour documentary'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows what other places has, it seems everywhere has their government puppet outlaw organization that they pretend to not be a part of though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to control people you gotta control all aspects of them, yeah?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i hadn't thought of that , yep thats very possible with more developed economies '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here give your rebellious nature unto myself, your faith unto me (false religions)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all in service at one stage or another of the ruler'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if ruler seen that public faith in the requirement of the law was waxing due to the absence of criminals among them, then would the government say yeah, take over your own lives you don't need my cops?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's one application'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I ca see direct involvement in all levels of society from gov types like the russian system but I have trouble seeing that level of involvement in such govs as the US/Oz '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the while the god who punishes them is the man who knows their god is his or his ancestors invention as he makes their stay here his plaything and passes on the joys to his children'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at how foolish over 1.5 billion people would appear to him, he is their god and they don't know it, his ancestors invented what they defend'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he rules their life now'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan is in history either believing? or claiming to be the wrath of god incarnate, supposedly he used alot of religious superstions in his deployments'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while there maybe is a real god who isn't this liar, i don't have faith in any god this world teaches'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats pretty common, ruling by divine right .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except by it's own actions, like i'm pretty sure evil is in charge of this entire world'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'i'll agree insomuch as by evil i think preoccupation with material at the cost of spiritual'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i rule the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'my little version of it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's Oz an acronym for?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'ounce'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes u do, "the world" is subjective and you control your perception :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'fuk ya'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oz = Australia '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read this wikipedia with hundreds of sources entry on unethical human experimentation in america http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States , parts of it anyways - you say it's hard to see that type of criminal involvement in as many places where it's immediate instead of foreign - but there's recorded evidence of the CIA and government agencies/universities and hospitals, criminal courts etc, all having their hands in crimes against humanity'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '19 spinal taps performed on 19 children (as reported, most likely more since none were meant to be reported) without the parents consent'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of it, that's the kind of people who still run things after nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they let their soldiers / personell rape and molest civilian experimenters without consent in drugs and other things in some places'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avante: 'all these news just shows what is the capitalist degeneration'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's some outlaw gang possibilities'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'nazi germany wouldnt have even been were it not for us and britain'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the king of belgium possibly started the great war, and that's what brought about nazi germany'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'close but inaccurate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a longshot but for some reason i think it's real, everybody got their own villains though'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the crap that the Allies pulled at then end of WWI certainly cause uber nationalism in Germany. The Nazis were a separate accident of history that happened to coincide. Germany would still have gone to war even if the Nazis had not risen to prominence, the only difference is the direction that war would have taken. In away the Allies have to be thankful that Hitler appeared because a sane leader would have led Germany to victory.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'all im saying is he got a lot of money from interests and bankers in the US and elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to afgree there - Hitlers military stuffups hamstrung Germany . Sun Tzu says not to put military matters in civilian hands for that reason imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Khaim, many in the US and Britain were Nazi fellow travelers. That included many people of influence. Which is why the other day I spoke about the internment of Japanese citizens by the US while they let the Germans (may who were spies) have the run of the land.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whether the German ppl could have been led/motivated/etc by another though is something we can only guess at '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'indeed... makes ya proud eh? lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let's not forget that the current House of Windsor is indeed a German royal line.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Khaim nods gloomily
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was one reason why in early times hitler thought of the english as perhaps allies '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the German people were certainly motivated, even without Hitler. The Armistice was nothing but an act of rape.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean WWI armistace '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'next verse, saaame as the first!'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i think we would all agree that hitler was simply the pawn placed into a unique opportunity'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and he had a lot of help'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I do. Notice that it was an armistice. It didn't mean that the war had ended as WWII proved.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yep. The pawn hit the end of the board, and became the effete nancyboy we know and love today.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'hell... the concentration camps were the original IBM customer that got them off the ground FFS...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'If you mean I think the leadership of the German nation fell into his lap , no I do not agree'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'soon after another pair of pawns followed, one became a puny limp-wristed knight, and the other a fat bloated bishop'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and whether Hitler was in sane or not doesn't mean that he wasn't correct about going to war. Germany really had no choice.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'thats why they burned the reichstag blding tzad lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: '" its terrorists!!! protect zee homeland!!"'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'THAT sounds familiar don't it?'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: ';p'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The countries surrounding Germany were arming themselves to the teeth while the Armistice prohibited Germany from having a standing army.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the question is how many countries would let that go by...'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'and that is why ppl need to learn history lol'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that Germany didn't ignore that provision of the Armistice, which is what the Allies expected and encouraged.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Khaim person again...
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the mortalization of events, those are a incarnation of the continuation of trends'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'examples when talked about like we are'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was going to say , Germany did begin rearmament underthe armistice '
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I keep saying, history is written by the victors, so you have to wait a while before someone publishes something closer to the truth.'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it also depends on how righteous those victors feel'
T3/r6/2012-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since the first war ever fought victors have done one thing :) Rape and pillage :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nophie: 'anyone know if a specific idea for perpetual motion can be patented?'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fun'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Did you know William Howard Taft weighed 345 lbs. ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'does this year's republican presidential primaries herald a breakdown in the alliance between corporate and social conservatives/reactionaries?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or is it the usual war between competing corporate factions, fuelled by the current legal environment?'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college  what a snob! Mr. Santorum said.'
T3/r6/2012-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Aardwolf doubled active players online, the amount of channel activity 'd quadruple  (square law).  how server intensive is channel activity'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'server inboud is negligible compared to server outbound. Though, it varies with user commands and activities.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if every character were to engange in combat at the same time I believe the server would be overloaded.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mainly because of the network channel backlog.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when an intense debate/channel discussion is active, how does this compare to combat output activity'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the backlog would be a function of  how many active output channels were available. That in turn would be a function of how many processors were dedicated.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'negligible also'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as the server spends most of its time waiting for I/O to complete there is no problem.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since it takes 2 or 3 seconds, at a minimum, to type a channel line, the server will be mostly idle. 2 seconds is an eternity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the perspective of bandwidth  not backlog bottlenecks'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'backlogs are created when the bandwidth is saturated. You can't saturate by simply being in chat mode. Unless, of course, every user engages in the same activity at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while the server is waiting for a input line to complete it has plenty of time to process output requests.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that I/O channels are independent of the CPU. Once you send a command to a channel the CPU is free to do other things.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when a stream is coming in from the network, the CPU processes other request until it gets an I/O interrupt from the network channel. It processes the interrupt and then goes on to the next task in the queue.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'looking at talk-channel bandwidth costs of extremely large muds -- how do mmos with (say) tens od thousands of active members keep bandwidth costs low'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by distributing the bandwidth over several I/O connections (which means several CPUs).'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't confuse CPUs with cores, though.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extremely large mmos reduce talk-bandwidth by separating talk into small rooms - like irc - global broadcasts to every online member are likely restricted'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, at low level there is no way to see that :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if one thousand participants were to speak at once to every other participant, even if there was no overload, the screen-spam at each individual participant may be intense'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and how do mmos handle forum notes -- especially the nonsensical look-at-how-clever-i-am nonsense notes'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again it depends on how fast can the server complex process the I/O interrupts.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what might look like saturation to a human might look manageable to an interrupt handler.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that time is measured in CPU cycles. That's the key. Work is measured in CPU cycles. Most times the CPU is idle.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wading through 50 to 100 notes per day here is often tedious -- if Aardwolf increased in size to (say) tenfold, then 500 to 1000 notes a day be "too much"'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what do you mean by note wading? A user enters a command to retrieve a note. While the note is being retrieved the CPU is doing something else. I turns of CPU cycles a note being fetched from the drives takes a good portion of eternity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in terms of*'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a horrid mud where at log-in each day, players were forced to "read"  pages and pages of Wrilly-style roleplay notes from the prolific admin (and there was no notecatchup)'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's fine. Note reading is a rather sedate use of the machine resources.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not looking at machine rsources -- looking a total bandwidth and player patience'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, machine resources is what has to be looked at. You can't saturate the bandwidth with an idle CPU.'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to saturate the bandwidth if players dwindle from talk-spam, note-spam, and overcrowding at favourite locations'
T3/r6/2012-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are thinking in human terms. From the server point of view there is very little real activity. Talk and note processing involves a lot of I/O. As I mentioned before, I/O processing is handled by the I/O channels, not the CPU.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone seriously think Santorum will be the guy running against Obama ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'man is an idiot'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Not great for the repubs if so.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're screwed either way'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both Santorum and Romney are unelectable fundamentalist idiots'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is the Lady Gaga of politics.  He doesn't even get to diddle Michelle unless his handlers approve it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just watching a recap of the race so far and ppl patting Santorum on the back for merely being semi compeditive ... that is just sad .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semi what?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'semi literate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's close enough for government work'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol good enough fer me "yuk yuk" '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i -almost- hope obama wins'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'americans can choose to vote against democrats, but republican's zealously want to cut social funding for the elderly/poor and health benefits as their way to save money'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still haven't heard them judged by the media, how come the supreme court in 2005 cut a 19.5 billion dollar owing grievance allowance down to 500 million dollars to exxon valdez?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '19.5 billion dollars is alot of welfare pension cheques'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do know that Obama ran on a campaign that included promises to tax fossil fuel industries out of existence, right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they be taxed out of existance?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Fuck yeah. That's what needs to happen.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'environmentalism'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be dressed up as environmentalism, it's probably got more to do with your gigantic budget deficit'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is that environmentalist stuff still in light of hos stuffed economies are ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'environmental stuff is inevitable, regardless of states of econimies'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stuff still current*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economies*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the DoE even took an official stance on wanting to get gas up to around the price Europe is paying for their gas.  They aren't even trying to get the costs down.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'As an American living in Europe, I think the gas prices over here are sensible.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find them sensible, i find them too fucking high'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you like paying $6 bucks a gallon?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$6? and the rest'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'how much per gallon,in europe?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try nearer $10'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love Iran selling oil to India and China and noone having the balls to say anything to the 2 of em about it , or move on Iran either incase fuel prices go up'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah, I prefer higher fuel prices. Makes people think twice about their travel and public transportation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should try it in places where there is no public transportation, matty'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a view typical of people who believe nothing exists outside cities'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we don't suffocate from toxic waste , heimdal's natural gas horn's and sunken madegascar's within 50 years first, when the last oil well runs dry and it's all stored in a storage tank in china or somewhere like that, how much will your land be worth to them?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha... I do live in a small fishing village. But, there are still buses. And a train station one busride away.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'high fuel prices make alternative fuel sources and the R&D of them more viable imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'gas prices don't concern people who use the bus'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and groceries, and repairs, and utilities, and banking.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bus fare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way that they consume all of the fuel they produce in a year, not even close - i bet there's storage tanks for 1000 year world consumption rate supplies already out there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't, tzad, high fuel prices just put money into incompetent governments pockets'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's perhaps 1200 vehicles in a multi-hundreds of millions society that don't run on fossil fuels.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would be less angry about the cost of fuel if all the money from the tax on it was ploughed back into transport'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually same in AUst , we pay huge amounts to the gov for our fuel '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bugger all goes back on the roads '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'explain the oil system, exxon gives 12 drilling contracts in north america (canada included) to russia's crown corporation, in exchange for deep sea drilling in russia's arctic contracts - why?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nowhere near enough market in the US or Canada (the US is less than 1% of the world market)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or petro canada is dismantled in 2009 (invented to monitor the environment and make canadians profit from their oil reserves against american's), by suncore, then in 2011 petro china purchases a significant portion of alberta's oil sands'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes on car drivers in the uk pay the entire department of transport budget two times over'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many foreign workers / migrant workers will china employ at their canadian factory, paying them minimum wage but in reality a small fraction of that to compare with their wages at home + some, then using the excess however they want?  they produce the oil for basically nothing, make nothing but money, send it home with their b.c pipeline, and then invest in more canadian economy with the proceeds'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come petro canada was frowned upon being in canada from canada, but russian and chinese crown oil corporations are ok?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if oil were kept localized, here in the US we'd have enough to last thousands of years.  Which wouldn't really matter too much, since a lot of us wouldn't be here to use it (lack of work).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Looks like the whole tax/excise on fuel is just a revenue raiser then - not just in Oz '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very much so.  Oil companies get pennies on the dollar per gallon purchased.  The rest is all taxes to various levels of government.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '82% of the cost of fuel in the UK is tax'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dunno what you all think buy I recon it's time we looked seriously at moving away from fossil fuels .. dunno how thats going to happen but I think it is a good idea .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to people, it's up to industry'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'City planning can't hurt either.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population control would help'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha, I agree with that too.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oil companies measure profit on the basis of fractions of cents (that's why you see the 9/10 thing on the price).  The main reason they're rich is because so much of the world is based on it's availability.  Without gas, or at least a viable alternative, the world basically stops working.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'we eat oil'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb yup , have to admit the whole procreation is a privelage not a right has appeal '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'alternative fuels are nowhere near ready to support even a 10th of the economy as it stands right now.  The efficiency of extraction/conversion just isn't there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to power the world's electricity needs by solar by 2025, you'd need to install 250 square meters of solar panels every second for the next 13 years'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd better all hope they can get fusion power working, else there'll be oil wars in 25 years time'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole system was intelligently build dependent on the people who run the world today and their devices - consider the ipod for instance, intelligently installed into society over 3 years until it's even mandatory learning medium in the classroom, and then silicon valley mentions their anti-malware software for this device, that wasn't built against corruption from the first place'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'That's ignoring accountability and sustainability though. You can also reduce current energy needs.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they get some free money, and ipad invents the next learning medium'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will not'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of india, china, and africa will all be increasing their usage greatly'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and microsoft getting a contract from ford automobiles to develop the computer system's that filter your gas pedal and brake lines'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really?  i can't remember a day when there's not at least 8 exploits unpatched for microsoft'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i never bought a ford, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'China is already running out of energy. They're building multiple coal shipping terminals on the west coast of the US because of how much coal is exported to China.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and they don't care about human rights / environmantal standards etc etc China/ India etc are going to surpass any model we have already imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'China owns ALOT of the coal mining in Aust atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah... China is reallll bad as far as the environment goes...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'because of their control of the media there  you are not likely to see rebelion there either imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's worse in the interior.  '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'currently Europe is dependant on China to bail it out of its economic woes so they aare unlikely to say anything , the US is in decline and can't , Australia is too dependant on resource sales to say boo so China does what it likes - like by oil from Iran .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'economy is a fraud, the whole thing, money is a figment of their imagination'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all about oppression'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china's human rights record isn't much different to anywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn effective though '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol the others don't charge for the bullets used to execute prisoners '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I think China's pollution problem is going to come to a fore when the people literally can't live on the land anymore. This is already happening in places there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they haven't learned yet, what makes you think they'll learn before they destroy themselves, and trust them to handle your resources?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china have already won the world domination race'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point worrying about it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, they are people. When enough people die, they'll do something about it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb the types of things they put in practice to try n clean up Bejing before the olympics - '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I don't know why people talk about 'world domination'. That's got to be the stupidest discourse ever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and as for the domination race MAD is still in effect '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the next threat will be the trading block that makes up China / india etc and the rouge states it shelters like N Korea Iran'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just let them get on with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'WW3!! WOOO!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'WW4 - got my sticks n stones all ready :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's worse about that than some oil contracts signed with roosevelt and saudi arabia before world war 2 started?  in saudi arabia they still publicly execute suspects of 'witchcraft''
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see one barabarian as very different from the other, but i do wonder what the average american citizen gains by their sons and daughters being sent to the strait of hormuz'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? saudi arabia are no worse than the republic lot'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans should elect a black disabled lesbian transgender, that'd screw them up'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Rachel Maddow did a good show tonight about how the "conservative" / "corporate" movement has a generations long strategy that can afford to lose elections so long as the whole electorate moves right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'electorates move right on their own anyway. It's a natural progression.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Can you give me some examples?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read the history of any nation.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't have a stable nation full of rebels.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'during times of fiscal duress movement to the right is usual imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remember what I said about revers :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rivers*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'What does rebels have to do with it? I mean socialistic(left) vs laissaiz-faire capitalistic(right). Rebels are more likely to come from that right.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a rebel is anyone who opposes the status quo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'has a point. rebels want change'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And how was that evidence of nations moving right over time again?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if it's normal to decay and somebody points out one practice and how come it's not done differently, then the whole sees this as rebellion instead of medicine :o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'forgot who that guy is with the quote, being well conformed to a sick society is no sound indicator of health'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the majority opposes the status quo you have a change. As long as the change is relatively minor that's fine. When the change is big enough to change the course of history, then you have an unstable nation. A nation where he majority is moving toward the left.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the majority sees itself as right , ergo a minority opposed is wrong ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's basically correct.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you realize that right and wrong are relative.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm christian, there is only one right =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you are out of luck then :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I'm still failing to see how this relates to nations naturally trending to (american) conservative political ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I jest !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Most of the history I can recall supports that nations become more socialistic.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ixle, you speak as "American conservative ideas" have any general value.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'anaristos is saying that if the right means conservative, i.e., status quo, then yeah, we move to the right'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They do within the context of my original statement.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'No, I meant "american" conservative'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just on a hunch here but it seems to me that when times get tough people become more insular - ie right ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'when people get rich they tend to favor the staus quo. why change a system that is helping you get rich?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they only have value to the "Americans". However, it is a fact that the ethos of nation dictates its course. The ethos of a successful nation tends to the right. In other words people will tend to go by the rule of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Anyway, the point was it was she brought up an interesting point about American politics that I think most people overlook.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people got eyes for the immediate future, considering stuff like oil, how many people can see their orca extinction not happening to coincide with future genocide and starvation etc to their offspring that they reproduce?  then they're the ancestors and the offspring living the temporary solution they seen, maybe a generation or 2 of having some money, but then there's not much to buy on a dead planet'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anything to do with oil or destruction of the natural environment on earth is the most profitable thing to do, and people with high profits make high investments, effectively erasing the type who had some regard for their future'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think the main issue was we weren't referring to the same meaning of "right." I'll agree with the point about nations trending into complacency.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'with fox news and a bent out of shape tea party, not sure what the right really is anymore. look at this santorum asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just droplets in a river :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic rationalism has made traditional left and right almost irrelavent imo'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a question for you... If Santorum is an asshole, what are those who vote for him?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both MUST observe the will of the markets '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'asswipes, of course'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@Ohm, The episode of TRMS I'm referring to hits on why the "american right" is changing so dramatically compared to the current electorate.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the problem with santorum is not is opinions, he is free to believe whatever he wants to believe. the problem is the voters who think his will needs to apply to the rest of us'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, so if the majority of the states have asswipe delegates, we know what to expect :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Santorum isn't an asshole, he's just flat out insane.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'maybe they want to plunge america in the dark ages.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he can be both insane and an asshole :) They are not mutually exclusive :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I generally do vote Republican, but I won't be voting for this whackjob.  Christian fundie woman-hating dickhead piece of shit.  I'm not a fan of Obama, but I'd rather see Obama win again than see Santorum elected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i agree. and i tend to believe most politicians are assholes, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does it mean to vote Republican"? Other than just vote for the guy who claims to be one?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Know what Santorum says to women who are raped and end up pregnant? "Accept what God has given you and make the best of a bad situation."  FUCK. YOU. TO. HELL.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'At the end of the day, you can't tell the players without a scorecard. Either party's candidate will screw the nation with equal skill.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '@Anaristos IMO voting republican (by most citizens) is a stab at reclaiming an America of aristocracy or anarchism.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they are trying to pass such a law in oklahoma as we speak. personhood for fetuses'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FETII ARE NOT PEOPLE'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'They either want to be left alone by the government, or they want the government to make their ideals law.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we know your feelings on this, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree with that definition, Ohm :) The only problem is that the US has no real idea what aristocracy is :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you prejudiced against the yeast-people, Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as long as there is some form of government buisness will just do what it always does , with an increasingly free hand , at what point does party become irrelevant ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, yeah, apparently fetii write reams of propaganda from the womb and later from heaven about how horrible it is to be aborted and born into a crackwhore 'family', but come one.  Clumps of cells are not people.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'next churches will be people, then the boy scouts organization will be a person, etc. stupid as all get out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if a chain is as strong as the weakest link, then a group is a smart as its dumbest person'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for real, corporations have more individual human rights than any human on earth, and unborn foetus's included'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ohm, this has nothing to do with my distain and dislike for loaf shitting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any of their members would go to jail for 500 years for the gulf oil spill, but the corporation itself is no problem'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ohm, that's not true, a group is as dumb as the loudest person.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the very incarnation of deism'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, YnysMon. You are complaining against a corporation being seen as a person? That is what it means to incorporate. To acquire a body. A body that shows sentience and therefore should be accountable for its actions.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'groups are just dumb.  Moo.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'corporate god's aren't commonly likened unto religions though :o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sheeple is a word for a reason'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just find it ridiculous that this religious fundie MALE has the gall to tell a raped woman to 'accept it' and 'make the best of it''
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling, out of curiosity... What should she do instead?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i agree with Starling on this one. a raped woman should not have to suffer through that'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the deed is done so now what does she do?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's fucking bullshit, if this asshole wins the nomination he has no chance in hell of winning because no self-respecting woman would ever cast her vote for him'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a lot of self respecting women voted for Dubya....'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  What should the pregnant, raped woman do?  ABORT THAT SHIT.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'really does it matter who wins ? the same corporations and faceless men in the shadows will still rule the country.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self respecting can still be an idiot ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish it were that simple, Starling. Women are the majority voters in the US and they don't exercise their advantage. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only difference between allah and shell is that people think allah is holy and shell's just a name'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as some of those groups do things for each'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was my point Sneak, party really becomes irrelavent when buisness goes unchecked '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's just unbelievable that Santorum is being given the time of day?  I mean, who the fuck is voting for this dickhead?  White men who want their wimin' folk in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, okay I can see that.  WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE VOTING AGAINST???'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling, as far as aborting, I leave that to the woman. I am not in a position to know what she should do. Let me point out, though, that historically speaking we are all descendants of rape.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'too busy watching jersey shore'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No we aren't, and you are a moron for thinking that.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please fuck off and die now, tyvm.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'There should be some distinction made between "business" and "big-business" though. I own a business, but I'm not able to impact politics any more than a normal citizen, and I do not wish for my corporation to be able to do so, ever.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'corporations are like the false god's in the bible, with their lawyers (priests) keeping the temple in tact while it's worshippers perform it's will'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'When you lose 1 person 1 vote, you start losing democracy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you think that wars end the way they show in the movies. From the time humans wielded weapons against opponents the victors have raped the females of the losing group. That is how we have the present racial diversity.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'rome had a tale called the rape of the sabne women. it's how they believe they got started as a nation'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sabine*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'good point Ixle , where should the definition come about ? under what rules ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So you're using that as justification?  I reiterate, please fuck off and die, you misogynist sack of shit.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when are you "big" buisness ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'When you are "too big to fail"'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you blame me because your ancestors were raped? That's interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Either by someone else saving you (banks), or by being able to control circumstances (energy, etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I blame you for defending it, dickhead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If you remove "fail" from someone's possible consequences, they're world is no longer the same as ours.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no big deal, but i read aljazeera wikileaks about shell owning the nigerian government, which sells alot of uranium to china'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 's/someone/something'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm entering you into my blacklist as a misogynist dumbfuck who defends rape, good job asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so this corporate religion accumulates eventually to being counterproductive to nations'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, also s/they're/their'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so stating a historical fact means defending it? Wow. That's even more interesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It does with my girlfriend Anaristos :P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't care if it's a historical 'fact'.  It was wrong then and it's wrong now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb I wonder about applying the same set of rules to countries ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Greece could be bailed out , Italy is too big .. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'people, corporations, companies, planets, universes, it's all the same logical rules of nature'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'italy looks pretty small on a map compared to canada and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong. It happened. It is also true that some of your ancestors were rapists. That's the way humans came to be.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the big just the possessions in foreign nations right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know what?  I wish your mom had aborted.  Ignored, foad now thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The golden rule applies universally.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he with the gold, rules?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And when we have a word for bigger than that, it will apply there too I bet.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so to big to fail , is there another level when dealing with a countries economy, "too big to bail out" ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Good point Hanslanda, both golden rules apply, and are at the same time contradictroy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no such thing as too big too fail. remember the story of ozymandias'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, if a business or corporation is too big to fail, it's just too big.  Anti-trust case, break that shit up.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'SHelley :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see you railing against those to generated the countless mongrels that have come out of the wars that the US have fought, Starling :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'On a funny sidenote, Mitt Romney is the only candidate I've ever seen split with himself on an issue in the same day.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of people your justice government holds investments in the land of -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13536298 Brazilian Amazon activist and wife ambushed and killed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13538578 Brazil eases rules on conserving Amazon rainforest (notice how close the dates are, random?)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some i never heard about on ctv/cbc news about canadian gold mines in argentina and mexico, and how they poison the local's'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's one in malaysia too on a island owned by the usa, where soldiers actually execute people on that island so they continue receiving funding from the government for doing their job, no media's allowed to go there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at some point one of the PIGS is going to fall and as it stands the global community cannot bail out some of the larger ones , ie Italy - so as with the Shelley poem nothing is too big not to fail but in the case of the Auto industry in the US or BP after the spill, how close did they come to failing ? could they take the same hit again ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if a corporation is 'too big' and it fails, it is their fault, and should be no burden upon the rest of society'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I would argue things only fail if the real "aristocracy" lets them.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they made an mess and failed. to bad. no need to bail them out.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The aristocracy jury is still out on greece and italy, apparently BP got a pass.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have to agree there , why should Joe citizen bail out Mr Ponzi , that is not right , but because the gov does it with our taxes we are paying for it '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And I would say if desired, they could "take the same hit again." It's a much more complex game than that though. It's smarter to spread the next big fuckup to another entity so the masses don't get too hot.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, exxon valdez walked away from 20 billion dollar cleanup fee for a 1989 alaskan oil spill, 19 years later they paid maybe 500 million dollars (the cost of exploratory drilling/initial setup of 1-2 oil rigs)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'blame the last president perhaps ? =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That brings me back to the point Rachel Maddow made tonight. The aristocracy is not human. This gives it a natural advantage of people. People will die and forget something happened. Money will keep netting more money.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the us supreme court said yeah, you don't owe us 19.5 billion dollar's in 2005-2006'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, aside from the fact that Mr. Citizen is an indirect cause of Mr. Ponzi's current striaghts, no reason. When the US economy was at its apogee, Europe was taking it in the ass. One of the reasons they decided to form the EU. Now the US is finding out that the world is all connected.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'us tax payers paid for it for exxon'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'corrupt. ever since the supreme court installed Dubya'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's maybe as much welfare money as was paid out since 1989'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more..'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'We pay for everything Druzil, we're the only ones who actually produce goods and services.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have a link for that Ixle ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Hrm?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you mean china produces most usa's goods'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maddow and the aristocracy is more than ppl idea'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Oh, hrm...Sec.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no aristocracy in the US. Aristocratic wannabes, maybe, but aristocrats, no.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'does that make it better?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'prob worse'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean like rothschild $  aristocracy ? don't the US have kennedies and rockerfellas ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might make it worse. Being a wannabe can be a dengerous thing :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz way outta my area there '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that gingrinch guy is interesting, his uncle or dad or something was assistant to clitton'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the US is infected with are anglophiles. People with money who want to be part of royalty.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess you can trace back most american nobles to coming from a long line of nobility'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kennedys are out of favor now that they've been exposed as baby-bangers'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'if royalty means they dont care about peasants, we have those in droves'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It showed when the US, in violation of both treaties and doctrine, sided with Britain in the war with Argentina.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was over those antarctic islands right?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think they were getting at a spefic definition of aristocracy that is self sustaining in a capital sense , Ixle is getting the link atm '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Idom . o O ( greed is the root of all evil )
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Desire the root of all suffering ? hmm thats new =P'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'vanity's still my favorite sin'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do wonder what the place would look like if the Dali Lama ran things though'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn he looks like a happy lil focker !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'neither would I since he hasn't run anything in decades.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, those people burning themselves to death is scary though, self-immolation etc, i still wonder if the streetfighter character ryu didn't embody the concept of the chinese governments refusal to back down even with such things going on'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or been running for decades ... '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chinese are pretty good at subliminal messages'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tanks in Tienamin Square subliminal ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as subliminal as state militia on the campus of Kent State :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as subliminal as the LAPD beating the shit out of students at UCLA'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what was that one ? Kent State ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'vietnam'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Viet Nam war, 4 students shot dead.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh , wow'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am sure there was a good reason.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or, maybe not.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, they were protesting.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'things got way out of hand, like Occupy.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is usually a sufficient reason. did the same to war veterans, i think wwII'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'noone got shot during occupy tho '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Occupy might have gotten out of hand, but they didn't draw guns, the government did.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, I agree that those instances are not as spectacular as moving tanks in, but they were just as hard or harder on the protestors.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uh, yeah they did.  There were at least three murders, a few rapes, and various indecency crimes (shitting on a police cruiser, public sex, underage hooking, filming a porn shoot, etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as opposed to the rich getting out of hand and fleecing the US?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there were also some good ol' fashioned beatdowns and breakins.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'filming a porn shoot ?!?!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I see, Hanslanda. I think you miss the point, Hanslanda. That is not the reason the government moved in.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the occupy movement still alive over there ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it never got popular'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the Hispanic population of Los Angeles staged a rally 2 years ago, the LAPD opened fire on them. They didn't rape, murder or rob anyone.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have a couple of indigenious groups here trying it still - we need to borrow some of your cops imo '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is, that no matter the government, they will oppose dissidence, and they will do it in a similar manner.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'until they can't , ie the Arab spring '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's more, if historical data is any indication, peaceful resistance will be salted with agitprops by the government, in order to validate the violence against them. '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats pretty standard stuff . lol even Syria tried that recently '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cointelpro, the FBI had. and still uses'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, peaceful protests against government-run corruption never result in positive change, maybe the odd soldier doing the riot squadding will see how disgusting he is, but overall he'll be sacrificed by the rest of them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a handbook for that kind of stuff ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'FBI uses Skynet now.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Protocols of the wise me of Zion or something ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what peaceful protests provide is a ledger on who attends them, and a gathering which can be targetted by a 'extremist group', which was actually the government, who never finds the perpetrator, or blames it on somebody unrelated'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it is Syria who it is doing it. Syria has been a target since before Clinton took office.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about that happening in ghana or somewhere recently, the king shit president there kept a record of who didn't vote for him, and murdered them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course he doesn't say it was him, but that's how they were selected'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just have to act suspiciously, and before you actually do any crime they can find out where, how, with whom, and when.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it too convenient that all the Middle Eastern countries (with the exception of Israel) are being systematically "internally" destabilized.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is, though all the elements were already there.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hell yeah , go back and look at argentena's economy before and after the ?falklands? the island war '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but think about this, the only country which loosed itself from US control, is the biggest target of them all.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what country?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If I am the only one who sees similarities between the "reason" the US went to Iraq and is thinking about going to Iran, then maybe I see too much in very little.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the real danger with the US destabilising the mid east is that the next most organised power structures there are the Islamic church .... '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you mean oil?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say reason, I said "reason", Ohm :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'o'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets hope the McDs generation in the mid east get their stuff together before thier revolution becomes an instrument of the church '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course it is oil. But the US and its allies will not admit to that because that would cast them as the bad guys :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if us citizens aren't satisfied living in their own country, what do they give a shit about other countries not being satisfied living in themselves?  '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a question they can't ever answer, it's not like you can't build your own cars and computers and food and stuff within your borders and charge for your produces with money that is local to your borders'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb spot on Dru , take one look at N Korea to see what isolationism does for an ecomomy '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice in my couple decades of paying attention to disintegration of canada that over time canada is becoming the image of poverty in africa, rent is too high, people can't afford food at the grocery store, wages don't increase and jobs get exported'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they import workers to do jobs in canada, while canadians are unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they do the same in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, north korea isn't the size of canada or america - without canadian exports in a short period most of europe and asia would be trying to make war on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'give us your grain and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'canada really that bad ? I thought they were pretty well off ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who are well off are the ones they show on the news'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trained canadians? or foreign nurses, doctors, engineers, etc? :p'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, the nursing home I used to work at sponsored like six nurses from the philippines because we couldn't get anyone to work for us.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the trouble there ? I thought it was like the US without so many guns '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high cost of living, fewer people who can afford it, fewer jobs to pay for it, etc'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'we also have more polar bears'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'more like the US without the crime rate :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they keep on raising that all the time, but don't provide the income options to keep up with it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok we have a skill shortage here too , our school system sux '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and easier access to weed'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'less loafs too'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada feeds over 1.8 billion mouths in a year, but can't find the leisure to supply it's own 30 million with adequate living conditions'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'only 1.4 per couple or something'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's too cold to have children :) '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have seen a doco called BC Bud about the indoor pot scene there '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is pretty well organised '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are also indoor parks :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'I don't know, your average pre-pubescent child could feed a family for a while...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, that's not it, it's that they're not all there (4/5ths and all that).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if properly fattened, Salvanas.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'modest proposal :D'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'mr swift had the right idea'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'hey, this ties back to the abortion debate!  *hides*'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol stasis em Matrix style n use em to run the hydro setups !'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Bunsen and Beakerboy.
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Starling put me on ignore :) Even though I've never sent her tell :>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'join the club }:>'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Anar you were being deliberately antagonistic , I can see why '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'there was a growup that got raided last week down the street from me'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'worth almost a million dollars apparently'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'grow setup ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't cuddle when I am trying to make a point. She should have taken the time to read what saying without loading herself with emotional baggage.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'growop, i mean'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Havoks: 'grow-op'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not sure what the stats are like in the US but in Aust 1/4 females and 1/7 males experiences sexual violence -- what would you expect ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we were discussing rape in general. Not in the US, not in Biafra. But rape as a historical fact.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I get good at having computer controlled environments I'm gonna make a game like farmville where MUD players log into virtual growrooms that are really real rooms on the other side of the world , you win the game by babysitting the crop to harvest :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's been done'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ender's Game, too'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Anar read between the lines mate . the last I'll say on the issue '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki someone stole my idea? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plenty of uni's have done studies on it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I read between the lines, maybe what I saw it is an excuse. It doesn't change what I was doing.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ender's Game is much older than your idea, and even the proof-of-concept term project is older.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Uni studies all in SA and Canberra ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, Ender was a freak.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enders game ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc calls Anaristos "Third!"
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a good neighbor to have. Imagine what would have happened if your dog woke him up...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'classic sci-fi novel about remote-control warfare.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nice over-simplification,  Hanslanda :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, he was a compliant wuss until pushed too far...woulda been a good neighbor'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the idea is that the operator plays a video game where all the parts represent real-time data about real combatants somewhere in the world.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I did like him in Speaker for the Dead :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc turns Anaristos into a tree
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Awesome ! pity it's 1985 - no free audiobook of it yet :( 2013 film release date though :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I listened to the audiobook for free :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if Dune is any thing to go by, it will be a flop :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Abe ! don't tease ! link me the file ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'library downloadable audiobooks :-)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my reading list has been corupted by uni :( my eyes are on strike '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Grrrr '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eerie, two ideas centered around the term 'library' just converged on me at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this aughta be good '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oughta'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do flesh the though out for the less enlightened of us ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the thought became flesh?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kinky'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they doing a remake of Weird Science?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'isn't Kelly LeBrock like 200 by now?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you want kinky - one of the lectures I actualy have to attend is full of hippy lesbians - I did wonder what type of ppl went to uni in a hik town .. there ya go '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't find anything kinky about lesbians. I look at it one of natural birth control...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't find anything kinky about lesbians. I look at it one of natural birth control...'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL yep .. wayy too much nature there , dreads etc thank F they'll not breed '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually IVF .. thats bloody scarry '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, PP is issuing 55,000 condoms with QR codes on them so that users can take pictures of their wieners and put them on the internet (a map of safe sex).'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol love to be at that brainstorming session!'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a thread of social engineering that deals with socio economic structures ? the saying "the rich get richer" is there a form of theory or set of precepts enshrined in a field of study concerning this ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'economics'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ixle was saying something earlier about someones theory of aristocracy and how it was fiscally self sustaining , I just wondered if there was a 'narrower' field of study conceringing this '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's a very good description. I wish I could've said it so well.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice of you to say so Ixle , lol providing you are on the level , I've yet to get when you all are joking or not yet '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aristocracy is not defined in terms of wealth, or at least, wealth is not required to define it.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Boeing, McDonald's, Disney, and Apple all have nearly twice the profit margins of ExxonMobile.'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would you trust the reporting to ba accurate ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from the side of the accountant, or of the reporter?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the accountant , imo figures can be made to do strange things '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or are you implying that a third party (the Standard and Poor index) is making their own fudge as well?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet every dominant corporation like walmart eats all local businesses wherever it goes or exxon purchases all of the other oil companies and uses their names or monsanto owns just about every seed company on earth, are all owned by a few individuals ultimately'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'S&P hmm not sure I trust that either but you have to start somewhere ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in anybody 'making it' on their own, i think they were all placed there'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that is much more likely than not , I agree. BUT by who ? who are the money men ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who names their children khan saul von christer and things like that?  don't see very many in school'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whole other world they live in, at the expense over everybody elses , i figure'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol not the schools I go to '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wonder if theese money men are pro or anti religon, or past caring ? '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, i keep that in mind though, i've seen simile's to scriptural interpretations on earth in what their systems create'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing i considered about religion of the slaves, worshipping the god invented by their enemy who dictates their current lives forever through his offspring, as they pray to him for salvation in a paradise temple, which is walked away from at every opportunity on earth - his earth'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worshipping humans as god and their inventions is written in the bible, bel and the dragon is one example, or how egyptians are said to have made servants memorize messages to carry to their dead king's become god's, they'd get killed and believe they're carrying the message to them'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the movie lebanon from israel i seen the soldiers calling their dead fallen angels, so it's not unthinkable'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I will say that for every religon .. ok most religons there is the religon for the masses and the religon for the priests '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they don't believe in god of their own invention, or that any exists beyond it, they do use that invention in mockery of the people who consider it'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'considering for example the G-summit - summit is a mountain top or a peak, the riot police beat the people down who spent 1 billion dollars for this meeting, the flaming mountain that cannot be touched in the bible, the men are flames bible verse (gunfire etc)'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else did they have in mind making that name for their club?  i can't see very much otherwise, so even if the bible is fictional, it's made real by the world'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's baphomet the mountain goat satan character, and a conspiracy'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he's also a scottish king'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean the Levi interpretation of Bahomet ?'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't read that, but maybe it's similar'
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Eliphas Levi - yep thats him , just googled I know of it from Book $ Crowley '
T3/r6/2012-02-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL book 4 ... not book $'