T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody was talking about people suiciding by train in california on yahoo earlier and now one of the advert's on youtube is a song called drive by by the band train -- while they were talking about that i said it's a very terrible way to go isn't it?  also one of the methods the criminals use to drive fear into those who rival their will'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7HsLfht7Bk'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think suicide by cop is waaaay cooler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many people have access to yahoo and youtube to make that level of a deception'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it just a random thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it could be, but it's pretty funny that they'd be discussing killing people with bandsaws and other things like trains and then this advertisement would come on a mudvayne link on youtube'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick fuckers on yahoo, i guess they're similar to some here though'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in control of youtube'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'View botters!'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say things like that to imply they're going to kill me and feed on paranoia'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then they use things like youtube there to support their sayings and they can use these devices on any citizen in america '
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sure, if you're one of the mass of the mindless.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'subliminal messages etc, it's all there in history of yahoo chat, they log that stuff somewhere so you can check times and stuff and compare the coincidences likeliness of not being related'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But really, what intelligent person pays attention to ANYONE telling them to do ANYTHING.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Within reason*'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if somebody's talking about coming to kill me and is in a position of government in america or something like that then i listen to them, they're at least a manager of youtube and yahoo'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I tell them to fking bring it, bitches. I have the right to bare arms.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want to assume i'm going to go whacko and shoot random people thinking they're one of them or something like that, but i don't work like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Bear? Bare? Too buzzed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody's gonna kill me then that's their problem , i know the things i killed in my life never left me, maybe that'll happen to me and them'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm lost, now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my life isn't too spectacular really, only thing i do would cause anybody to want to kill me is being crazy, and that's just fine with most south park fans'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Over-generalization sux.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they started it back when i was still learning my abc's'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they insist they must win this war in their heads that they objectify as myself in their mental warfare games'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of morons, might own the world but the space surrounding it's not yours, and neither is my mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Bro, it sounds like you're already paranoid. Youtube don't have to do smack.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just fed what was already there, the suspicion that they are involved in fucking with me'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The government doesn't care about you as an individual, they care about misleading the dumb masses that will be genocided when the Illuminati comes to power. Dur.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one of as many examples as they provided, could you explain the coincidence?  maybe it's just random, but i find random to be difficult to comprehend on that margin of things to name your band, sing about and advertise near the time of'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's some kind of link most likely to what the person was saying on yahoo earlier, myself and what they put on that website'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what they are is some kind of mind-control system'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...and? You're getting this now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'deny reality until the end, doesn't change a thing except how long it burns'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You need to cheer up and listen to some Zeppelin. Mudvayne never ever affected me that way...'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't give up, my mind doesn't worship lies cause it can't understand the absolute truth, it tests them constantly and accepts only what appears real'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you represent a false-god here in my deiary of mental acceptance to succumbing to ignorant worship of my enemies flawed logic towards the estuary of thought which tests your claims against the facts you ignore with the basis of your judgement being duty impaired and repeating that of your mentory which i outstaffed in the orign of things to come'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty stupid hey?  i know that, birdy thoughts and lies, which angels fly in your sky?  somebody elses?  do they have a face or live up to no standards but their own?  and you dont' even know who they are, but through their actions they're known which is how to detect ministers in the bible and spirits whether they're good or evil, the level of disguise of the demons written about also considered and to what depth the devil can appear to be other than himself to lead you astray, and the simply obvious shit like that youtube advertisement and the people threatening me and playing with my paranoia on youtube earlier are in fact linked to one another in the attempted mind control technique which you say doesn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'wow, that's a lot of random words'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind tells me it does though and through deeds and factual considerations proves that to be the case, your denials are false god to me not based on any testable understanding at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and you're a lot of random mis understanding'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'therefore you are in service of their group of soldiers that make war on my mind repeating your mentor who you can't see beyond'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you don't even understand everything he taught you and just lash out because you're stupid and afraid of beeing seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's impossible that your self is not the same self that i see speaking in yahoo chat'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either you are the same or else you are both brainwashed to be the same, soulless'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's wrong with mental warfare and chemical warfare by the government?  it's against the geneva convention to wage chemical warfare especially on citizens but double dosages of cyanide in cigarettes neer made it to switzerland's united nazi round table'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they never even mention it on the news, that's nothing , it's a false god that's a real god, cause you believe it's nothing or so you say, therefore you rpove your master by who you defend'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'explain how increasing the dosages of deadly chemicals in cigarettes weren't placed there for the sole purpose of murdering civilians and maybe i'll leave that one alone'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more than doubling them, if you compare a package of cigarettes ingredient label from 1999-2006 or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happens in new york city stays in new york city, like those people who tried to sell cigarettes not provided by the government for cheapter on the side walk and were persecuted by the local police force'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no guarantee they have the proper formulation of death rate analytics in their product'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's it isn't it?  or do they care about the health of their smokers and their revenue from their death'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if you double the dosage of nicotine, cyanide, formaldehyde, tar and a few other things in any consummable contraption you probably got murder on the mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the united nations claims weapons of mass destruction and biological terrorism is in iraq though.. while some scientists in europe modify the h1n1 flu to be adaptable to any antibiotics used in it's treatment'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for fear it might reach the terrorist they have stopped development'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so is there any terrorist in the last 30 years besides pol pot in cambodia who murdered over 500,000 human beings in a single year by his addition of poison to their consumable resource supplies?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or did he not kill the equivalent of a small city on the warning label on your cigarettes'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tobacco kills with the assistance of chemical warfare by your government'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'aren't they slick'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no huh, that was a river in ancient egypt, not sure which one but it's funny huh, that's what i hate about the government and their use of words like justice and law'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and united nations thinking they're some non-corrupt organization of un-nazi's, while they live up to the acronym united nazi just fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's japan saying to america and canada break geneva convention and double the dosages of chemical warfare added to your tobacco plant which is the cause of death'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the plant itself didn't kill most people who died cause they smoked cigarettes, the government did'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're putting laws in place to allow the police to snoop realtime on phone messages, emails, and internet traffic without the need for a warrant or just cause'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone would think I lived in China'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'employees of phone companies can access that information online any time the want. So if you were feeling safe before, sorry...'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't, but then i don't use phones much'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's dispicable on principle'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every time a law is passed that infringes on constitutional rights, the people just nod and go on.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The odd thing is, that in countries where there is no such degree of freedom as in the US, they fight fiercely for the little they have. While in the US, the people watch their degrees of freedom shrink almost on a daily basis and they don't emit even a grunt.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the while sneering at the "unfortunates" from the totalitarian nations.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. i live in eastern europe and we have more freedom. americans just think that they're #1'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a constitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nearest we have is Magna Carta, which isn't legally binding'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually in the US you can invoke the Magna Carta in a court of law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'officially, the US is derived from the Magna Carta, so the document is binding.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here it isn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US constitution*'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who needs a constitution anyway? The USSC just "interprets" it anyway they see fit so the actual document is nothing but paper stained with ink.'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so is chemosh the new druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey chemosh, were you druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy fails because idiots vote...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy fails because business votes?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'well, you can't hug every cat'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I cant eat cats'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cheap shot - state/county/etc will not vote for me to eat cat'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ive already had a go at a few ppl individually - and they have  been .. meh - they know'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17540452 this seems like it could be possession to me, although it's also possible like they imply schizophrenia and horror movies since he was 8, 7 years, though he did seek psychological aid in an effort to thwart those voices before the problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which doesn't seem like something a cold-blooded killer would have done, plotting and scheming with intent, he'd probably not want to be averted from his path'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It also could have been a psychodrama... adding a sense of storyline into his life.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And when seeking help for saying he'd kill people didn't work, he killed people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was badly worded Oaf'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm in combat, I was in a rush. Basically just a plea for attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understood you, i considered the same too, it's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'basically the plea was an attempt to validate the voices in his head as being real or they could have a real consequence is what you're saying, sort of a hostage situation'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while that's possible i still think he could have been gunuinely trying to escape an invading spirit or uncontrollable/disturbing thought pattern, since he was so young and maybe the dilemma of god being real or not (want of spiritual affirmation) wasn't as prevailant in his mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just guessing though'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"demon possession" is likely to be theatrics -- demon(s) usually dislike calling attention to the fact that demon(s) exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which is why they managed to convince you it's theatrics, or schizophrenia or insert preferred diagnosis here!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'diagnoses "fakery" '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when demons kill humans, there are usually a (deep karmic) justifiable reasons'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie the entrance and the movie the darkness pose similar questions of identity, along with the amytville horror and the exorcist, the real person's in there somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nobody does that message better than Identity'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a recent case in canada of a man on a bus doing a horrendous crime with no known motive and perhaps not much of a recollection of what they done, but mental illness assumed - in the movie the entrance the demon possesses the characters, but at the ending the character possessed is released right before the person it tempts pulls the trigger, which doesn't happen in the movie.. that's the ending'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people after having killed somebody having not killed somebody before feel a cold reality hit them that they can't back away from, shaking away alot of the dream world many live in, and some of the crimes in the world and what's known about who done them seem fairly surreal/disconnected'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using movie fiction to support a lamebrained psychological demon-possession theory is amateurish (and incompetent if publishing)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like a feeling of absolute doom, especially your mother or somebody no matter how much you loathe them, the knowledge that they're gone from the reality you learned about them in forever can hit pretty hard'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder about them moms protecting their kids...if they suffer from that sort of stress, can they really be fit mothers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so people who seem to feel sad but unsure of what exactly happened i don't place into a box of mental illness solely without alternatives being possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are not speaking from experience (about the alleged emotoins after a first kill of a human), then do not add to the inane crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I am, but not from military experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think it's actually the kill that messes folk up, so much as all the crap that happens surrounding the event.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more likely the crap crap that others attempt to project onto the event'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never killed a person, i considered it though, hated them some of who passed away, but i did kill animals with hatred for some people in mind before (when i was young) insects or whatever, i wasn't seeing who was actually there though, and later on i realised that i couldn't take it back no matter what i tried, the intent and action was there but disconnected from people only in what i directed it at, and after several years of living i realized that what i hated wasn't going to go away through destruction unless it was absolute, and that would include things i don't hate, which just sort of made me not be physically violent to anybody else since i was a kid or to reduce it, i had lots of time to ponder though which some people don't seem to do much of, maybe the elderly do it most'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'old people often seem wise'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i done might be done to greater or lesser extents in alot of negative actions in the world, projection and satisfaction of the temporal desire to destroy'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or like a symbol of hate, talisman etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm glad i never killed no other people though, having animals on my conscience was enough to turn me away from alot of bad situations'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea behind a punching bag is often what gives it's hitter passion and drive to hit it'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'boxing as schizophrenia.. haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'healthier outlet if you don't hit other people though, that's what i mean though, lots of actions could have similar in them, hatred and desire to torture it cause it haunts you'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but going too far with it can shake people out of their hiding place and sort of warp their minds in retrospect as they remember what they done over and over again, maybe put off until they're elderly like i say, which isn't seen as the desireable age to reach in the modern media'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The problem with using pillows and punching bags and stuff is that it conditions you to that sort of release.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And then it becomes hard to deal with stress in any other way than violence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, shadowboxing is usually included in the curriculum of most boxing schools too though :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they remove the need for contact sort of from the might of the fighter'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they still exert their frustration in some identifiable way'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so today, i talked to a crazy guy, and he gave me the name of a good therapist, then asked me about communism and transistor diodes. then asked for my number.... Should I have given it to him?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he wanted to find out if we'd lost world war 2 if we'd all be under communism, and i told him no... we'd be speaking german'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sure, why not?  It's not like any of your personal info out there floating unforgotten on the web, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar i dunno, do i have any personal info?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did you mention to him that the communists were on our side of WW2?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I told him the russians were on our side... but it took a few tries'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the conversation advanced to liquid plasma crystal televisions'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then back to transistor diodes, pearl harbor, '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'china as well...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then finally back to the russians in the cuban missile crisis'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nope, he didnt care about china'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, more like the communists weren't on their side :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried to explain turkey and operation gladio to him, but i dont think i got through'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Undertaken Anaristos's question.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and anaristos, the germans had communists too, not just the russians and the chinese'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"had communists"...not "were communists"...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc well as a nation they were predominately enrolled in the national socialist political party'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and since marxism, socialism, and communism are similar but not the same...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but hell, the US had similar attitude to communist countries, as far as the war was concerned...only got involved to save our own hides'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc well, that and because to not be involved wouldve meant we'd no longer be a world leader'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'falling behind a succesful germany after ww2 would have turned us into weaker nation...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't get involved to be a world leader'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, we already were one'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we actually did fall behind Germany for a while there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but we sided against germany not on moral grounds, but on practical grounds'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we sided against japan, who was sided with germany...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we then got to chase the spectre of world communism afterwards for 40 some years.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes, but we also sided with finland and italy at points'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and sided against japan, yes, to save their collective hides...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and as i recall, we were in compact talks with the japanese via sec of state cordell hull around the time they bombed pearl harbor?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so we almost didnt even fight the japanese expansion in the pacific'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had waited another five years, it might've been too late...'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the "Japanese expansion" of the pacific is rather a misinterpretation of what was going on.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos re-conquista?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would look at it more like Roosevelt wanted to enter WW II at the behest of the British. Public opinion was againt him. The Japanese had signed a non-aggression pact with Germany (because of the animosity between Japan and Russia). The US goaded the Japanese into thinking that the US was about to attack them. So they preemptively attacked the US. '
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that's how Roosevelt got the US into WW II.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos oh? well , i was taught that the japanese military recommended to the emperor that when they expanded into the pacific, that the u.s. naval fleet would interdict'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and that they felt a pre-emptive strike was justified'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think interdict means what you think it means :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the last thing Hirohito wanted to do was to go to war with the US. He did so very reluctantly. Not to say that some in the military command wanted to go to war with the US. That's what military high commands always want to do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos can i get a job as a military high command someplace?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do i enlist in a non u.s. paramilitary force?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, just go to your nearest recruiting office :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'while carefully taking steps to not be involved with any organization in open armed conflict with the u.s. or our interests'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'answer an ad in Soldier of Fortune :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos my nearest office arent hiring for upper echelons'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos the ads in their are mostly for schools'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so answer the ad :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's one for a muzzle flash supressor though'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US armed forces is always looking for cannon fodder :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos you said military high command, not cannon fodder'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'stop bait and switching me as if i were a strap on!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude glares at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what they will do to you at the recruiting office. I am just preparing you :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos well the us military aint hiring unless you're a teenage female'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have quotas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so what about foreign non u.s. paramilitary groups'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who? the teenage females?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like say, former blackwater/former xe, or the french foreign legions or so on'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I told you, read the ads in Soldier of Fortune.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I DID!'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'want me to read it to you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, thanks'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I have it , the economist, forreign affairs, AND shonen jump right here'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can always form your own batallion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos no you can't... filibusters arent lawful anymore'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think he knows that many people'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'move away from the US, then recruit a "boy scout" type group. Buy AK-47s on the black market and put an ad in Soldier of Fortune :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos ak-74s are easier to get'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont even need black market, just a ffl'
T3/r6/2012-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then you are good to go :) See you at the next war :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what war?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we havent declared war in like forever...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on drugs!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on poverty!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'war on healthcare reforms!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on politics!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on... war!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'war on exclamation points!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is agreeing with that Redryn person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well mister kennedy, you can't say that dallas doesn't love you. !'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US doesn't declare war. Though I think Afghanistan is officially a war since it was approved by congress. Same with Iraq.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Korea and Viet Nam were officially classified as police action.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that why our mia types in viet nam and korea are still in prison and not afforded pow status?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of the reasons'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, do you think that in the 1990s, when people in u.s. law enforcement were unsuccesfully trying to put a stop to the human sex trafficking method referred to in the news as ' rolling harems' where women were taken and kept locked in and transported across state lines...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they would have benefited at all from modern anti human tracking legislation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it more of not a change of practice, just one clarifying policy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, you can take the lowjack approach. But the problem with that, it would not have stopped there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every time the government comes up with a way to "fight" crime, it ends up using it to control the general population.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos that's doubtful... as the general population is the one that puts the government in power... have you read leviathan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am hoping that you are being naive on purpose :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'calling me naive is not charitable, and therefore goes against the spirit of a healthy debate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, when you make remarks like that you are either naive or trying to make a joke :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, leviathan is a famous political treatise.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what part of reading a political treatise requires that i be naive?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'best way to fight crime is to make sure that almost anyone who wants a decent job can get one'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi I want a decent job!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can i wear my silk tie too?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'almost, meaning not-vampiredude.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said "[...] as the general population is the one that puts the government in power". That was either an instance of you being naive or you were making a joke :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi did you know to even get a job at a mortuary or funeral home they want you to have at least an associates degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude bursts into tears.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos well its true'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... depending on where you live, the jobs situation may suck'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the general population in my country (usa) put the government in power'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by fighting a war of revolution against the british imperialist army of king george '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unsurprisingly, places with very low unemployment tend to have low crime rates...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US Revolution was not about independence from Britain.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos its history, so it must be somewhat true'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate sonshi i've heard romania and alaska both have low unemployment'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does that mean that they have low crime rates?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then read the history. The US wanted equal treatment from the Crown. They really did not want independence. Though that is what they got.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos and by fighting that war we put the government into place'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'romania's unemployment rate looks pretty high to me...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi only if you put it as per capita and not per person'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't know about alaska...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi imagine if we had a jubilation style freeing of everyone in u.s. prisons... you think our unemployment rates would be improved ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, rates are used for comparison. Otherwise you'd say that china's population is richer than the UK's'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you freed them, both unemployment and crime would go up'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi but dont prisons have retraining programs so that prisoners will have a vocation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'such as knitting or farming or so on'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've heard a lot of ex convicts end up working in meat bucthering plants too'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they can teach each other stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if you just open the doors and kick them out, as it seemed you were implying...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friend went on and on about how the swedes handle crime google it have a look they have a unique approach if I rememver correctly there system of gov't is interesting to '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'no we don't have any special approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'My friends was saying something about how a majority of the most serious offenders are integrated in society still maintaining jobs in special apartments kinda like halfway houses cept yours are supposed to work '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'VampireDude, the general public elects the member of the houses, it doesn't elect the president :) The US is a republic, after all. The landowners are the only ones allow to vote. The US landowners are the states.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms i think its unfair to the taxpayers to not rehabilitate convicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they want it, we should rehab them and get them working and paying taxes to support their compatriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey maybe i could get a job as an annoying parole officer'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'shrug im in canada and m a a couple m8's bounced around te idea of first time offenders having the option of boot camp I think that would go a long way stopping the creation of career crims'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms i dunno, i heard the royal canadian armed forces are sissie-boys , in the weak sense, not the homosexual sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yes but some of little boys are addiced to systems ie foster care group homes its pretty natural to slide right into the prison system whereas if an oppurtunity to try another system out was presented one might not spend the next 10 years in and out to finally figure it out :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms or maybe there just arent the resources available for them to go anyplace else... just like how the brits sentenced children of convicts to live in prison '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye our armed forces definately lack for resources and we can get into the whole use the resources from the prisons and blah blah honestly I think the whole things a cash cow more so in the states than here'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i wisjh i woulda cauht the start note'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'miss'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'U DRUNK?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'OR JUST TARDED?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, want to make a baby before i sober up?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'tarded thanks for pointing '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is usa the only country where people taser old women?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friend has a police document that entails him having to be tasered while strapped to a hospital bed....'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'entails?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'entrails!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '11 cops had this teenager surrounded they gunned him down 6 shots I think he was waving a knife around but still he was surrounded charge him with a shield or pepper spray him guess accidents happen '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I actually have alot of respect for peace officers but ye crazy shit happens ina crzy world :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where would I find a peace officer? Or did you mean piece officer...?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'look in the mirror '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'spelling police ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know what a peace officer is, I just would like to find one :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'haha o'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're easy to find... got a dunkin donuts chain?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for most police, you can't tell the players without the scorecard. They behave just as the crooks do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its sometimes used as a joke, but they really do stop there every morning'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the joke has roots in reality :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '2 sides of the same fence '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the belief that human nature is affected by one's job or uniform is unfounded. Just because someone has been hired as a police officer one can't assume that th person is morel, ethical or has the tax payers' best interest in mind.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dunkin anything like the addiction canadians have for timmies or is it just another donut shop ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'moral*'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I  do think peace officers should have more maturity we make a doctor go through 8  yrs f school to save lives its 6 mos training i think and u get a weopon with the authority to kill with it '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms doctors dont usually risk their own life'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe like they should have a post secondary educ as well '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms sure, who pays for that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the rockefellers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the doctor got through it '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'its done in some  european countries '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they should, at a minimum, be tested for potentially anti-social attitudes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they are at least in canada they are '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so I need a license to drive, catch a fish, ownn an firearmn , but any tom dick and sally can bring a child into the world  '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Move to China.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'excuse me? You want conception to be licensed? What next, breathing, taking a crap?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can't... the chinese want me to have 6,000 yuan in the bank to get a visa'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im just pointing it out '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyone wanna spot me 6,000 yuan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hey.. I've seen the things some people do to public toilets. Defecation SHOULD be licensed..'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke there's a fine for public defication in new orleans.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'apparently mardi gras just is plain ole shitty at times'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The point, Ryke, is that he is suggesting that natural processes be controlled by the government.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oops, defecation, i cant spell my shit tonite.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Oh, I know. Were we supposed to take that seriously?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he meant it seriously :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'my idea of government is one that doesn't exist :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what's the most polite way to tell a girl she's overweight?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Outta my way, you fat bitch!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just kidding :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you are on a mud, you take any girl you can get :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dude, type faster.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka ruffles Undertaken Anaristos's hair playfully.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why does the subject of her weight come in to play? If you are concerned for her health, be straight. Don't beat around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, if i'm straight about her health /weight then ill have no choice but to beat around / masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'buy her a salt lick for her b day '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are a prevert.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms... yes deer'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nah, just a cunning linguist'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Undertaken Anaristos ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, did you know the army re-assigned their mos # to linguists? they're 35s now not 98s =('
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you think there's a thelemic significance to that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if that fails bail of hay'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'whats thelemic'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'give her a  lap-band gift certificate?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms hay baling works better with baleful arkansas siblings'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms, my name is not Googledude'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sigh that used to be me till i moved out into the middle of the mountains to try out dial up '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms dialup rocks... you just need satellite dialup through iridium'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'google page still loading sec'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'k query in '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o looks interesting brb'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'still loading '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i tried to get sat but the gyuy took to long now im snowed in '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so fat she'd probably take a millenium to load.  I hope you have a fast internet connection.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im buying a bobcat for next year :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom will take more than a Bobcat to move her bloated ass.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke claps at Starling's performance.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'front end loader?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so fat she couldn't be moved even with a Liebherr T-282.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms that sounds nice, its a heat wave here'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you near kotka finland? i'm in the usa.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'woah lag'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'bc canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'island or regular?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'kootneys'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do they still have the nations highest incidence of child prostitution?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as a province?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol really '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they did in the 90s... but keep in mind not all prostitutes answer truthfully on questionaires'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I just moved here from calgary alberta mostly '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sick of the city :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, if you or your mother were a prostitute, would you answer truthfully on forms?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Obviously (Friend) VampireDude is in love with Starling by the way he's looking at her.
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it must be a 24-hour shop :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'g n '
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hello'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anything ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i listened through a bit of a chat on yahoo earlier where a black nationalist was claiming that black people are living god's and white people are animated zombies sort of, or so it seemed he was saying - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francois_%22Papa_Doc%22_Duvalier i just found this and it's interesting, reading through haiti's bbc article, apparently he had a cult of personality and championed voodoo along with hosting only the ethiopean leader there once, (which has a place they say has the ark of the covenant in it since the 1500's or so), After the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963 - which Duvalier later claimed resulted from a curse that he had placed on him - he was being criticized for misappropriation of foreign aid though'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe he was just being cynical in a morbid way, already having a bad rep and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'He maintained a notoriously lavish lifestyle (including a state-sponsored US$3 million wedding in 1980), and made millions from involvement in the drug trade and from selling body parts from dead Haitians while poverty among his people remained the most widespread for any country in the Americas.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Duvalier Relations with the United States improved after Duvalier's ascension to the presidency, and later deteriorated under the Carter administration, only to again improve under Ronald Reagan due to the strong anti-communist stance of the Duvaliers. <-> imagine that huh, how friendly america is to horrendously evil places, ceding it's own integral national values for possible stance in a mediating nation, which could use that to the advantage of a takeover or something, i wonder how deeply they consider stuff like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you gotstabe pretty wacko to be making money buy selling the body parts of your dead citizens to foreigners'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biznitch Isabelle: 'I WIN!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'this isn't a cross-fire commercial'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'you don't get to just go about yelling I WIN  all willy nilly'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'k i mentioned somin last night but seriously just watched this guy cast 40+ buffs I mean really...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17595526 She said East Germans who were shot trying to flee to the West during the Cold War had only themselves to blame.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that odd, how they persecute people under state law at the time in germany accused of being nazi war criminals (at 83 years old sometimes), and they lock them up for the remainder of their lives while asking for extradition, but stasi crimes against humanity aren't dealt with similarly'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they be?  a person is a person aren't they?  who's german?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're complaining ov only getting 2000 dollars a month from german pension plans in chile'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'arrogance at it's finest, if that sweet old lady lookin person is what they say'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monstrosities, one from haiti one from germany in two days, nobody seems to have an opinion on neither'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm german, i don't know about anybody else there'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's druzil from canada, btw. but he can't hear me right now :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least i drew them out so i got somebody to hate'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd have to verify their childhood and thoughts to excuse them'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how long would japan last in a war against china?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets say they had no limits'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'what are limits?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nuclear warheads and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who launches first?'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it takes for ballistic missiles to reach major cities'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just curious cause it doesn't sound like anything will ever solve those problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and korea and stuff, russia'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america seems to arm terrorists against democracy's, so america'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's because they are more useful there rather than not-there'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Every detainee who will be admitted to the general population may be required to undergo a close visual inspection while undressed, Justice Kennedy wrote, adding that about 13 million people are admitted each year to the nations jails.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '13 million?!'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The important part, is how many of those offenses are non-violent.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't imagine violent crime being a large proportion of that...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. According to a supporting brief filed by the American Bar Association, international human rights treaties also ban the procedures."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another 5-4 decision. What a surprise...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Wait. Are you talking about a strip search? Cause they've had that forever... along with delousing./'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the news summary of the decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"According to opinions in the lower courts, people may be strip-searched after arrests for violating a leash law, driving without a license and failing to pay child support. Citing examples from briefs submitted to the Supreme Court, Justice Breyer wrote that people have been subjected to the humiliation of a visual strip-search after being arrested for driving with a noisy muffler, failing to use a turn signal and riding a bicycle without an audible bell."'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I didn't know violating leash laws or failing to have a bell on a bike were jailable offences here...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, as far as I know, those are all offenses that aren't punished with jailtime unless there are warrants for other crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Most of the time they'll hit you with a minor offense, run your name, and see that you have outstanding warrants for something else'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... apparently this particular case involved this guy who paid his fine, but the system said his fine was still unpaid...'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so he got arrested and jailed'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, the actual decision - http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-945.pdf'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not jailable offences, unless you fail to pay the fine. Then a bench warrant is issued for your arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, probably only jailable when they think you haven't apid the fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't require a conviction, though, it seems'
T3/r6/2012-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to be jailed, anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'failing to pay a fine is akin to contempt of court. Thus the bench warrant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when you are issued a citation, you promise to appear in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ie. you can be jailed for non-jailable offences'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not being jailed because of what you did, you are jailed for failing to appear.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's from page8-9 of the abovementioned decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, and it was obvious before the decision.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, it cited a past case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in practice, an infraction becomes a misdemeanor when one fails to appear.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, there's no need to be in violation of anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if there is no violation then there is no offense :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can be jailed if you are suspected of an offence, even if it is non-jailable'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if such suspicions are baseless'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'something had to trigger the police action.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, according to the court judgement itself, whether or not there was a trigger is irrelevant'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but that's in the books. Every section of the penal code has a section with suspicion in it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so yes, you can be jailed for violating leash laws, even without a fine, it seems'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it is before any conviction'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it has to be explicitly stated in the language of the leash law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't be jailed for something where jailing is not an option.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, you cannot be jailed after conviction for a non-jailable offence, but you can be jailed before.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to repeat... "The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can be arrested :) Jailing means serving time. Being arrested means being detained until you either post bail or appear before a judge.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the language is pretty clear there...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay, but you can be strip-searched upon detention'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the law also state that if you are arrested you must be charged with something within 48 hours.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'insofar as being put in a jail cell does not amount to jailing'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if papers are not filed within that time, the jailor will, on his own authority, release you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so yes, you can go to jail for a maximum of 48 hours even if you didn't do anything wrong :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, you can be put in a jail cell for suspicion of a non-jailable offence... and strip searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'suspicion of committing a crime is not the same as committing a crime, they are covered by a separate section of the penal code, or in the case of the leash law, by a city or county ordinance.''
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad to be strip searched and put in jail for 2 days for suspicion of violating a leash law or littering or something...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and quite illegal...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not according to the supreme court'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not true, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-945.pdf'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't say what you think it says...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for immediate detention. Id., at 346. The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'page 8-9'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quoting one sentence does not the truth make'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it might be sad, but, generally I wouldn't feel so bad. For one thing, the act is so trivial that the authorities will not take a chance and jail you on suspicion unless they can back it up. So if you indeed did litter or allows your pet to run free, too bad, if you are jailed, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was quoting a past case. The current case affirms that you can strip search anyone you're putting in a general-population jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like your claim that the suspicions can be baseless is entirely false, legally-speaking'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cops are not going to cruise by you and grab you and claim that they are arresting you on suspicion of littering. The law suit would make the event not cost effective.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which should be the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless they thought they could back it up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what would you sue them under? The current decision is quite clear. You'll have to depend on the fact that most police are pretty decent...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rather than the law'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'false arrest'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, not true sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'F the po po'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what you're reading into it simply isn't what the laws decree'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's only illegal if they can't think of a decent reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are ways to arrest you that would not make the cops look like fools :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's enough that they have a reason to suspect you...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially since littering is warrants a ticket, not an arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if they arrest you, there is more to it than just littering.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, how else can you interpret the decision?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(directed at abe)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are seen lettering, so they stop you, they run your id and find out that you might be connected to a drug cartel. In that case, they might, might, arrest you on suspicion of something. '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'littering*'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd interpret it as what it's a decision on, which has nothing to do with the discussion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the majority opinion is a part of the judgement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the cops started arresting people on suspicion of littering. I wouldn't want to be in City Hall whey it gets burned down :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely, it just isn't part of this discussion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that part I quoted is part of the opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also, Sonshi, so decisions by the court are very narrow.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a reference used, it's not the decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some*'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and another part might be clearer...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"It ruled, based on established principles, that officers may make an arrest based upon probable cause to believe the person has committed a criminal offense in their presence."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need is "probable cause"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, that's obvious. We know that already.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is this news to you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's been part and parcel of US law for as far back as you want to look.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also understand that the strip search ruling does not apply to the vast majority of jails'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the keyword is probable cause Now, the cops can get very creative with that, but they still have to walk the line.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this is for gen pop facilities, not for cells'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what I was saying is, you can be arrested and jailed for suspicion of a non-jailable offence'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Sonshi, but I am telling you that if all the cops have is the non-jailable offense, they are not going to arrest you. They would lose a lot more than they would gain.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't, typically, but we're depending on their goodwill, not the law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they arrest you with that excuse, that means that, probably, within 48 hours you will be charged with something else more substantial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, we're depending on the law...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what is there in the law to prevent them from jailing you for 48 hours until they are forced to release you, after suspecting you with a non-jailable offence?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read more carefully than what you quote, particularly between the two paragraphs that you keep quoting'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a law against false arrest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the opinion is not saying that you can be jailed cuz some guy thinks so'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'suspicion is not a trivial thing. There has to be some evidence that you might have been involved in a crime.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the opinion is stating that sometimes the decision of whether to detain you is harder to make on the spot, and concrete determination of charges can take longer to figure out'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'up to 48 hours :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes... but nonetheless they can jail you for a non-jailable offence, until they "figure it out"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the 48 hour rule does not mean that they acted legally, nor that you cannot sue'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course you can sue... that one did. And lost.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that one should have lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and should've been jailed'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, if sonshi is right, it is insane. It can't be right. '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and should've lost her children'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether you think she should've been jailed, it wasn't a jailable offence'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'however horrible you think she acted isn't exactly the point here...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it was, just not as cited'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'over here in the UK, there's a thing called an ASBO which can make any behaviour into a jailable offense, even if the behaviour is not actually illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Congratulation, you live in a police state.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yep, 1984 = british government operations manual'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, when a cop in the US decides to arrest you on suspicion of something, he/she must consider how it is going to look in court. If it turns out that he was blowing hot air, he is going to lose a lot more than he gains.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really... the courts tend to rule narrowly. If it was non-jailable, they would've thrown out the case based on that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, if it was jailable, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, all western countries are turning into police states. It's just that the anglosaxan countries are a few years ahead of the rest.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, they throw out the case based on what it was appealed under'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, the plaintiff's case relied critically on the fact that the offence could not result in jail time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some cases are very narrow. You can't make a sweeping decision that might affect other stuff that is not really related.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it could have been jailable, it would have been mentioned...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'child endangerment is entirely jailable'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at the time of arrest, that was on the table...they were nice enough to only charge the non-jailable offense detainment, and she tried to fuck them over it'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you leave your child in a car by him/herself in a hot day, someone comes by and hears the child crying. You are apt to be arrested.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regardless of whether you think so, the court didn't rule based on that, when it would, if that were the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the court wasn't ASKED to rule based on that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and again, if you read what statement the court DID make, it agrees entirely with my statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you like to read one sentence and pretend that that's what the court's decision was'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The arrestee argued the Fourth Amendment prohibited her custodial arrest without a warrant when an offense could not result in jail time and there was no compelling need for..."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, she argued that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are confusing arrest with jail time, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes. And the court would have ruled against her based on that, if it was not in fact the case.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no sonshi, they wouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't forget that in a police state, media is controlled. Don't trust them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because of the parts I've already talked about, which is between the two paragraphs you keep quoting and keep working hard to ignore'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they would be in error if they issued a ruling that was overly broad rather than focus on such an obvious problem with the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US, for all its faults, is not a police state yet. Cops will not detain you unless they can back it up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not going to have you sit in jail 48 hours just because.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unless you are a "terrorist"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they correctly wanted to address the issues that they described'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with the police.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"terrorist" are "war criminals" as currently defined.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that part inbetween about drugs is an example of their justification...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice justification, but still makes it a police state imho.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and quite clearly supports my statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if she was under the influence, she doesn't stand a chance :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and she shouldn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when they detained her, they were choosing between (small drugs) no seatbelt and (redistribute drugs) child endangerment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they gave her a break.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, was there any "probable cause" related to a jailable offence in the first place?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see the point. They could have screwed her over and they didn't. Then she decided she wanted a complete free ride.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there was, why did they rule that "The Court held that a Fourth Amendment restriction on this power would put officers in an 'almost impossible spot.'"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too broad'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whaddya mean why? they said why'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also understand that the case you're talking about is not the case that you're quoting...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must remember that if the decision is broad enough, it will cause other cases to come under review because of the decision.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as opposed to ruling that it didn't aply in this case because there was probable cause that she did in fact commit a jailable offence?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, this case is a previous case, not the strip search one'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the USSC screws up on a decision and every man or woman currently convicted will be looking for a lawyer :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like there's probable cause for someone caught with drugs when it's close to the demarc between personal use and distribute'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is a case quoted by the court in the opinion for the current one'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, sonshi, but it's a quote of a quote...not the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So, Sonshi, you are saying that the cops erred because hey chose to detain her on a minor charge rather than on the child endagerment one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe I should dg up the opinion for that case too...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'remeber, if the cops arrest her on child endangerment, she will lose her children, at least temporarily.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it would be wiser than what you're doing now, which is ignoring pretty much everything presented :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you want to read 2 lines and interpret them like druzil, have fun :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, that was uncalled for...your interpretation is closer to xyliz :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aside from the decision you should also read the arguments presented by both sides.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'i don't read many US cases, but do USSC decisions not review the law before applying it to the facts in the case?  that's pretty standard procedure here.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'here == canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure they do, but they have to keep it within scope. The scope comes from the arguments presented.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'i guess i haven't really been paying attention to debate, since i'm really not sure what you guys are arguing about >.>'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hookers and blow.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that decision would not be considered in  a case, for instance, where a cop walks by and looks in a window and sees the mother sitting in the living room with a child present and something that looks like a joint lit on the ashtray.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'why are you talking about the 4th amendment then?  wouldn't that be in the bit about life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there. That's the holding'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to argue  case based on the preamble to the constitution?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'that was in response to ryke's hookers and blow.  it was a joke >.>'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Hey, hookers and blow are serious business. :('
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so as I said, the part about drugs was just an example cited in support of their holding'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so given my example, what would you expect to happen, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, which one? Was it recent, got a bit of spam'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a cop walks by look in the window and sees a woman with a child in the room and what appears to be a joint lit on the ashtray.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh that one. Depends on the cop, really... but given the law, I suppose she could be arrested if the cop suspects an offence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe. But the only thing he can actually do, legally, is knock on the door. He has no evidence that anything illegal is happening. So, he knocks on the door and when the door is opened, if he smells what appears to be burining marijuana, he may decide he has probable cause.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if he busts the door down claiming that smoking marijuana is a felony, he's in deep shit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm, I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but he'd just need to think he's smelling it...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also, knocking on the door is clever, because if the woman doesn't open it, then he can act accordingly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I think there might be some complications as far as being in a house goes...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he must announce he is a police officer, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but when you combine "The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not." with the recent case's holding...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get the possibility of people being (legally) arrested and jailed for 48 hours on the suspicion of a non-jailable offence. And strip searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can be arrested for a seatbelt violation. Normally, you don't, you are instead cited and asked to appear in court. But that's not the only way to go.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if the woman doesnt open it he cant just enter the house'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by the same token, you don't always have to be arrested for possession of marijuana, you can be, instead, cited and asked to appear in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you can act on something in plain view or if you are pursuing a fleeing felon'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Ucla, but in the case of the cop walking by the window, neither applies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you are not arrested for marijuana possession under an ounce that is a misdemeanor'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the point isn't that you will be arrested over every little thing. The point is that you can. And strip searched!'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what doesnt apply'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Was Druzil even here for this one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't differentiate a rolled cigarette from a joint, at a distance.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably asleep'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Stupid keyboards, always misspelling things!'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and because rolled cigarettes are not uncommon, you can't say "well, I thought it was a joint". '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you dont have to know its joint you need "reasonable suspicion"'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, frankly I have no idea what the two look like...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure the court would rule against the police claiming that they had the right to detain anyone with a rolled cigarette. The lawyers from the tobacco companies would volunteer their services for that one :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. "In Texas, if a car is equipped with safety belts, a frontseat passenger must wear one, Tex. Transp. Code Ann. ' 545.413(a) (1999), and the driver must secure any small child riding in front, ' 545.413(b). Violation of either provision is "a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not less than $25 or more than $50." ' 545.413(d). Texas law expressly authorizes "[a]ny peace officer [to] arrest without warrant a person found committing a violation" of these seatbelt laws, ' 543.001, although it permits police to issue citations in lieu of arrest, '' 543.003-543.005."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'texas, eh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'they would never argue that or legally do that ...they would argue that the person they detained they reasonably believed was committing a crime by smoking marijuana'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see, but that's part of the Texas Penal Code. A misdemeanor is a jailable offense.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Violation of either provision is "a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not less than $25 or more than $50."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, that supports everything we've said, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the law expressly gives authority to arrest...and she was brought before a magistrate and released on bond'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'arrest is not "jailable" arrest is only detainment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but Sonshi doesn't see the deference between arrest and jail time :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and she spent an hour sitting in a jail cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she was charged with a few other things at the time, which were dropped when she plead no contest to the seatbelt ones'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'huge difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'that is just detainment'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'she was not guilty of anything you are waiting to get out on bond if you are quick you are quick but your just in a holding cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the holding was - The question is whether the Fourth Amendment forbids a warrantless arrest for a minor criminal offense, such as a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. We hold that it does not.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'way different than jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i don't see how it would'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'we are talking about illegal search and seizure not detainment...its for a judge to decide if the search was illegal or not'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, it may be merely detention in a jail cell, but "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among thedetainees processed at these facilities. This is, in part, a consequence of the exercise of state authority that was thesubject of Atwater v. Lago Vista, 532 U. S. 318 (2001)."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sonshi, she could have been arrested for x, y, or z. So the cops detain her, give her a break by not charging her with more serious offences and then she sues. I don't have any sympathy for her.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'neither do I'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she wasn't among the detainees processed at those facilities'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the holding was that they do have the right to custodial arrest over non-jailable offences.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i guess i dont know the whole story but i dont see how you cant be detained for committing a crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she wasn't strip searched, and wasn't taken to a general facility...she was taken to the police station for an hour'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'she wasn't, sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'even if she was strip searched if the police had reasonable suspicion of additional crimes then she could be'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the point here is not that people are being taken to such facilities and strip searched. It's that they can, legally.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which aren't the scope of the primary case quoted'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was taken to the police station once, when they thought that my name matched somone with outstanding warrants. When we got to the police station I sat on a bench for a half an hour while they did research. It turns out that they were wrong, so they gave me a ride back to my car. end of story.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'as long as there is reasonable suspicion of a crime that would need a strip search'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the opinion, "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among thedetainees processed at these facilities. This is, in part, a consequence of the exercise of state authority that was thesubject of Atwater v. Lago Vista, 532 U. S. 318 (2001)."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and she had drugs? strip search :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'until your charged how do you know if its a detainable offense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the particular strip searches involved in the judgement are the admission to big facilities SOP searches'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'or jailable offense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, I'm not arguing that she was. I'm saying that people can be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not sure why they wouldnt be'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if i arrest you and I think you are selling drugs or holding weapons a strip search makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially drugs'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyway, well past my bedtime, have fun boyz 'n' girlz :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I don't know about you, but I don't like it being legal for people being strip searched and detained over suspicion of non-jailalbe offences, even if it isn't happening now...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see you'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'why not? thats part of the evidence gathering'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...like it doesn't happen now...your TSA can fuck you in the ass whenever they like'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc scuffs his shoe on the ground...they never grope me! :
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you detain me for smoking near a school and then check my butthole for drugs you will get sued'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err :('
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if it makes you feel any better, there will be more cases in front of the court. The ruling was so narrow that it is certain that the issue is not resolved.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'good night'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, once I forgot to take out my wallet at frankfurt'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they put me through extra screening...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'my answer dont go to arizona or texas (and maybe even florida)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, that's how a lot of people feel :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am serious.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that's 3 of the 4 states I've ever flown to'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i am too'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err 3 of the 5, cali & washington being the other 2'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I can't see how to interpret the latest ruling other than that they can strip search anyone that goes into these facilities. They don't have to, but they can.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'when i had a transfer in texas and they had statue of george bush in the airport i knew i was in the wrong place'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'didn't look narrow to me...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'what facilities?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'detention centres'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is narrow, Sonshi. It didn't say, it only dealt with a very narrow set of circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Maintaining safety and order at detention centers requires the expertise of correctional officials, who must have substantial discretion to devise reasonable solutions to problems." blah blah blah'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, that's the ruling...although it's not much of a ruling, as that's always been SOP at most genpop facilities for decades'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'you seriously think that it is reasonable to allow people into detention facilities as prisoners WITHOUT being properly searched?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i would have to read it but i could see why they ruled that'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so this isn't landmark or changing'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Getting turned over to a county jail entails very severe searches. But you only go there when you've been charged or convicted.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'not true...you go to county jail if you dont get bailed out of the local jail in time too...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but it does mean that if you arrest someone for a minor non-jailable offence and put them in a detention centre, you can strip search that person.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are not going to get stripped searched at a police station. They are not going to bother, they just charge you and transport you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'you just dont get thrown into the population'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they charge you with something that lands you in county jail, you are going to get searched.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'if you go to county because you didnt get out in time you need a better attorney'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether you get thrown into the general population depends on the state, doesn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think so'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'depends on what you are charged with.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are charged with a crime which makes you look bad in the eyes of the population, chances are you will not be released to the general population.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless they want you to get hurt :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but then, they would get sued, so...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i dont think anyone is thrown into general population that is not convicted'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are talking about arrest, when you are transported to the county jail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'arrested and charged, pending bail or preliminary hearing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i gotta walk the dogs but what i remember of criminal law you dont get dumped into the main pool of prisoners'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they did say that "Persons arrested for minor offenses may be among the detainees tobe processed at jails."'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, misdemeanors are usually segregated from felonies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'yeah everyone regardless of crime goes on a bus to a big holding cell'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably depends on how screwed up the state is, I'm guessing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'but then the process gets different for their'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, true, but you can't take that into consideration when looking at the law :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would rather be arrested in California than Mississippi, but I rather not be arrested at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'i have friends who do criminal law and it sucks but that was one of my highest grades in law school but i definitley did not want to be a criminal atty'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and of course, both cases we were arguing about were 5-4 decisions. Not surprising...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'its a constant constitutional debate of safety vs freedom'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ucla: 'alright im out to walk the pooches'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 4 keep trying to limit what they view as police excess, and the 5 keep trying to give them as much space as possible...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I guess I ought to go shower'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since everyone is running off anyway'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just... one... more... news... article... can't resist... NYT...'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 3-headed dog that guarded the entrance to Hades.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'for lack of gossip channels ill use this :P I went shopping today in this cute little town close to me theres 4 stores groc, hardware , a general clothing and a designer clothing . '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i needed a hat I go into the designer store guy says oh i got some in the back follow me the back turned out to be his backyard into his house '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so im trying on hats and drinking his coffe in his kitchen lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'weird little town '
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's kinda rude to be playing aard while someone's going to the effort to entertain you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o really :P I just thought ID share it was very strange'
T3/r6/2012-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks around and runs off cackling in the distance...
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what's the best way to translate ' soup nazi' into finnish language?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there some way to virtualy pet someone ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pets Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just checking the brains trust here '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have modified a kids toy to stroke my back - just wondered since porn is such a big deal here'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a bit strange?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'asking is strange ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some would say mentioning it at all is strange'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're japanese'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats interesting - but Im not '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have a kids toy that was ment to fly around a crib? - I've modified it to stroke my back'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the bob market I thought someone would have done something with that ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol shut up n level :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow auto massagers are all chairs ! niche market alert ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shut up n level... '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tigernuts: 'some would say mentioning it at all is strange'unless you're japanese''
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know something we don't ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about what'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'either strange or the Japansses'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strangeness is just an unexpected quality, or quality that deviates significantly from the norm'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the japanese are, as a culture, sexual deviant and borderline paedophiliacs'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a judgment so much as a statement of fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'U are awesome ! why do you think such deviancy exists - Lolican for example'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really interested in why'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'You have no reasoning for your - you ? Subjective bias has no place ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it's subjective?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is Your choice. You have empirical data to back it ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back what up?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no pissing contest here . just chatting '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok base , that the Japanese are strange '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manga'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hentai'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anime '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cheat rate ther eis over 20% and the cessorship is brutal - hence the animated porn imo .. a case of P adapting to environ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess you haven't seen the english language internet much...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't pass judgment on it'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yes ! Nor did I !'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bar "strange"'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange isn't a judgment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"evil" would be a judgment "wrong" would be a judgment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets not get bogged in symantics - jap porn is different even if they are the same (homo sapien) <-- really not a good thing / as us?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'culture is a varient in what way ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All cultures are different, and that is a good thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn right  Ranrr! yet what makes jap porn different - for example ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All jap penises are pixelized. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho there is not enough variation in porn. The usasian stereotype where the girl is smaller, not really enjoying the sex and the guy comes in her face is getting old.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any players from Japan here ? I've seen Ninja Scroll and it was pretty brutal - online the cutsey cartoon porn is pretty prevalent and aimed at the Japan market? why ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they don't hold witch-hunts of deviants there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As yourself why US porn is aimed at the US.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I saw part of a porn film once when flipping through channels at a hotel past midnight. Couldn't feel anything but pity for the actors.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to see some porn where both of them seem to enjoy the act, thank you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know they're most likely faking their enjoyment...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, it's called acting.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But most porn films don't even have that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thats a no brainer as far as western porn is concerned? Girls don't generally use porn- boys that have an active sex life don't use porn- threrefore only boys with no sexlife use porn- so they have no active sexlife because they ar inept/butt ugly or f-ed up/ in all cases would prefer a submissive girl?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK OK gross generalisation'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And very incorrect.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'school me ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the live action porn industry doesn't seem humane to me, generally speaking... seems pretty exploitative'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Girls don't admit to watching porn, but a lot of them do. Men like porn even in a relationship. Couples watch a lot of porn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Simplified.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only people that don't watch porn are parents :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get toey watching ppl gt it on but there are SO many niches - wtf ? - must be lacking something ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok is there nothing we can learn about a culture by monitoring the porn pitched to them ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to the manga hentia etc etc comment?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure we can. But to draw some conclusions you need to include more variables. It's probably a good topic for a PhD.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we could deb jap baseball/nuke just as easily except that porn lives n dies through popularity'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm pretty sure there has been a disertaion done on what ever we say (monkeys n keyboards etc) were that the case everytime a point was raised I'd ask you for a light by borrowing you flint n steel'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz grammar'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'headlines "Are Japs Pervs!!" Headline tabloid news.... and back to 0'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do we ahve Japanses players ? I am sorry if you feel (insert scuiteny(and spelling)here) I'm auatralian - we know no better ...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hiroki peers intently at Tzadkiel.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am young and constantly wrong Hiroki- educate me ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh and I'm insane too - noone takes me seriously here with good reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'yes i can see that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Mwah :) you can say anything to nothing '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so . why are you here?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb .... lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any further amusment ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shutup n level ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think about the red cross not having tested the blood with aids they gave to people in the 80's and 90's, but the rumours of evil scientists 60-70 yeras ago already placing human and animal diseass into woodticks, which are pretty much blood work?  how could that slip their mind?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just heard that somebody not too distant from my little world died of that 10 years ago or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada, i think it was red cross handling it back then, just seems odd that they're aware and probably from the same generation of those evil ones but they don't look through things precautiously before they become a past problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about sports careers, where a team is named after your school or neighbourhood or town or province or nation, and it's members are from anywhere but (usually with nation's they are though)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'had some aids infested NFL players jumping around canada and spreading the gospel a few times in the CFL'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in mississipi or somewhere 'the farm' prison, they have 2 prisoners in solitary confinement who just past 40 years in a 6x9 cell for 23 hours a day, originally tossed in slammer for robbery or something, joined some black panthers gang in prison and were blamed for the death of a prison guard, with the prison being known for sexual slavery, brutality and corruption in those days - that seems pretty harsh to me, especially since the prison guard -could- have been beating prisoners to death or half the way there on a regular basis before they killed him, and they say there wasn't no forensic evidence linking those ones directly to the crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine that, 40 years in a 6x9 cell, with at most 1 hour of being outside of the cell in a day'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'over 70,000 in solitary now in america, usually people with mental illness don't go to asylum's cause they put those out of business or at least psychiatric hospitals are seen as too costly, just get tossed into the hole until they kill themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they most likely won't ever release alot of them from there, never with the intention in some cases, like 40 years and no reassessment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was obama's resistance in moving the people allegedly behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks into civilian court, instead to be done by a military tribunal where they will 'possibly face the death penalty', is there the chance that they have a story to tell that wouldn't as easily be filtered by a civilian court as it would from a military court, where the judge is in service of the military commander?  more questions be asked, more information considered etc?  they can sentence people to death in civilian courts too if it's a fit punishment for a crime in america'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about obama's health care for all democratically accepted decision being overthrown by the supreme court too, which isn't elected'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're basically reporting that sentencing them to death is a foregone conclusion and obama attempted to give them a chance but was over-ruled by whoever his boss is'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which might not be the citizens of america if a civilian court isn't sufficient'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Whose boss is?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17617956'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obama, the proceedings here seem like he attempted to try to give them a fair trial in a civilian court but was met with resistance by somebody and instead they will possibly face the death penalty after a formal military court finds them guilty'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's strange how the supreme court can overthrow a democratic decision by a group of elected officials representing the democratic wishes of their citizens of america'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the supreme court isn't elected, they resist democracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'was there a national referendum?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they're talking about something like that, it was on the news a little while ago, his universal health care is under the gun of the supreme court'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do they know, they're probably all rich right and maybe have profits to gain by privatized monetarily inaccessible health care'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of things like that i read about or seen on documentaries, FDA members and supreme court judges who are stockholders in evil corporations that get away with murder'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mass-negligence etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'who appoints the judges out of curiousity?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's probably what skull and bones harvard illuminati conspiracy theories of masonic tacoma's come from, lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im pretty sure canada is done the same wat or supreme court can kybosh anything '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'way even'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be a better guage to take a public opinion poll of jury members and court-watchers and civilians in general on who they think's a fair judge for the job as he escalates from one level to another'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but better isn't always better for the 'controlling elite''
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'better to actually run a democracy when u say its a democracy :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no profit in that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree, thing is that these two things seem to indicate that obama himself isn't against fairness and democracy, but he has resistance from other than himself to upholding the wishes of what he considers honest'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye and for how much we bitch about it how many of us would start skimming and being downright sifty so we can sends our kids to great schools and whatnot '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if we were in the political game '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has limited powers you realise'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a matter of selecting politicians based on principles and testing their limits then'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with knowledge and wisdom (which comes with time)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'find a way to make society work without a currency is something iv pondered before .'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i don't think any single person could develop the entirety of a system like that, like they can around money - cause they invent money, it's within their system's heartbeat - '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but only by everybody contributing to the definition it could happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't think there IS a way to make a system work without money :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exactly, nearly nobody can even imagine a world without money that isn't extinct'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have butter. you want eggs. your neighbour has eggs. but he doesn't want butter! he wants beans. ...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a mystical place called shangrila , heaven, the land before the white man, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'not to mention ud have to enforce job placement and whatnot at least to a degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'currency in terms of debts owed and pride is still currency.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and as a community you want shoes etc, some people when they're kids work for fun, grow into what they wanna do, learn what's needed to continue their job to a higher degree, something needs to be done the group has members who will do it, as long as they're not being hand fed without allowing them to feed themselves or contribute as much as they're capable'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye motivation would be huge problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your 'people will do the jobs they love' sorta breaks down when it comes to cleaning out sewers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's something that needs to be done though'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course it needs to be done'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and everybody will think someone else should do it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people will do the dirty jobs, like maybe you like to eat a hamburger but don't like to kill a cow'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not if they don't get paid for thme.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's human nature to want to do the least amount of work possible to maintain oneself in an acceptable standard of living. even pre-currency societies maintain themselves through shame etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise the community you're in starts to stink, and then probably somebody else will do the job and who's not contributing will be assessed and that member of the community be scorned, which is sort of a arcaic motivator'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or you just learn to ignore the stink :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'walk along any road, it's piled with garbage that people throw out of their car windows because they're fucking slobs who are too lazy to keep a trash bag in their car.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's like a direct consequence of being hand-fed and not understanding that some things need to be done, and moving around nobody really feels a connection to the place in which they live'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's things of sports teams which has members usually from nowhere near your own community'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even in the primitive times that you're idealizing -- people tossed their garbage into a gigantic dump.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is fruitful for archaeologists but rather unsanitary.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate i just h8 that the standard of living can be so different for different positions take myself I do almost nothing now and am able to live comfortable did the 5 years I put into the company really jutify me sitting on my ass for the rest of my life '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, and different people desire different things for standard of living'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't do vacations/expensive toys/etc. so my required income is lower than many other peoples. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'il do expensive "fun" toys but Id never buy a mercedes just to have a better vehicle than my neibhor tho I would by a rediculous snowmobile '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I would like a better car than the one I have'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the one I have is a 1995 volvo with 230k miles on it that I paid $750 for. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my first car was a volvo I paid 250 $ got me 1 town away from where i needed to be : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so ideally I'd like one that's less than 10yo and a little less prone to ... issues'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that'll have to wait until i finih school'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what you going to be when u grow up :) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hopefully? math professor at a teaching university.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'doesn't pay THAT well, but my needs are also low-ish. and I enjoy the teaching I've been doing as part of grad schoo..'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'About to finish my PhD. If its what you want to do, the low pay is negligible. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Definitely NOT a career for everyone though!'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I really enjoy the work.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's the important thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if all I cared about was money I'd go for actuarial science'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I'd wake up every morning wishing that I'd get run over by a bus so I could call in sick.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'and so many people live like that its sad '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Met a guy who was prepping for the actuarial exams once... sounds draining'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, i'm off that. I want a community or small 4-year college in a rural area. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'actuarial exams aren't too bad.. took a few studying on my own'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Mye.
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I could see myself going back for that kind of work if I, hypothetically, had a child/spouse/family member who needed a lot of care and I couldn't afford it otherwise. '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but as of now ... nah.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17620421 this kind of stuff could turn bad, should be teaching people not to incite the masses by sacrificing their own lives, if that's what he maybe had in mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'originally they definitely had a point, but this one has less momentum than the original that might have 'summoned' it'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just making a point maybe, how he found his life un-liveable because of the government too, with the protests as a side affect, so maybe it's not as bad as it could be'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'wow wish I hadnt read that how sad is that heh but all i can say is wow '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I had a rm who paid into our gov't insurance for over 30 years when he needed it all they would give him was 3 months support the guy taught kids for 30 years!'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Depression and suicides are reported to have increased in Greece as the country introduces tough austerity measures to deal with huge debts. - but the government's more of a crook than anybody else there, imo (and whoever holds their debts owing)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the debt holders know that the average person wasn't to blame for the debt that's required of them by the government crook'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'thats whats so sad about it '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're both crooks (but not the people on the same level)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'that same year I took advantage of that system and got 6 months support what does that teach you lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'was actually 4 months but i was approved for 6 '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the first model T i think it was , had most of it's body and upholstery made out of hemp plastic and other hemp products'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dont get me started on miss mary i got some in my hands right now : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'tho I didnt know it was his first I assumed it was somin he did for a lark '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'do you know if he discontinued cuz of current or upcoming legislature ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i first started smokin weed growing up it didn't make me feel good at all, but my friends all did it and so did i, but decade+ later it doesn't affect me in the same way, it seems to sober me up to self destruction through cigarettes and other things like alcohol, raises my awareness a little, and i don't use it constantly when i have it, maybe a few drags then i'm done for the day, cause i remembered what it was to be under it's influence and straightening out i just feel less careless'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i tried all kinds of anti depressants and relaxants and therapy and all kinds of shit over the years trying to find out why i don't give much of a shit about living and how to tackle that problem, but none of them really worked as cannabis does'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's better than booze or some of these other things that are legal or were prescribed, i'm gonna try it out and see what happens, probably won't even need or use it for the rest of my life'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like a counter-addiction to me, just the level of awareness i reach is crazy, how i second thought the next cigarette based on the destruction i'm more keenly aware of, and resist the urge for more cannabis for desire of reaching a more ignorant state of being'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is sort of what bbc's reporting about the application of LSD to alcoholics and addicts was studied resulting in why they consider it today'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I jst enjoy and im probally one of the few it actually harms cuz i get anxiety attacks but there definately not strong and like you iv tried legal and booze but just to enjoy myself weed 99.5% of the time does that for me '
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you all think of google?  a search engine cataloguing webpage information is one thing, with categorization of what's indexed, but a car that drives itself and personalization to the user of the engine and it's many other platforms (maybe sometime almost anybody with a webpage and a google search engine on it) - this could have been done with application software and a third party interface to that software (on the user's pc, optionally on) instead of just logging everybody and tailoring to mac/ip or other id's on their computer'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of out of context of how simple a search engine should be, hopefully somebody writes a new one that does just what it should'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google are evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'GT mMM'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Total, mischan, fail :('
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yahoo was taken over by a banker who probably doesn't know nothing about computers compared to who he replaced, and within the last week fired 20,000 people'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause he know's what's in the best economic interests of the company compared to the other guy'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Angel Azaezel: 'MMM discuss'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stuff like that's why i don't care too much about programming, since what i make is used by the people who invent unemployment and whatever i gained by it is eventually short lived and nullified'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when nonprogrammers talk of what programs are supposed to and are going to do -- idjits'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GentooX: 'it means a client'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people don't seem to understand the power giving somebody to write software to drive your cars gives to them, how much ultimate control is in their hands and how only their place becomes neccessary in the future, because it's driven by them underneath the current ideas of progress'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the yahoo website display menu interface were designed hy greedy idjits'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if ever there was to be cars that drive themselves it would be in their own best interest that that's managed by their government and their municipality'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accidents happen without computers, but 350,000 mistakes are made by honda because of a computer error'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humans won't commit 350,000 identical mistakes like computers will'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some idjits use too many superlatives their nonproofread noises'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of all the things they can spend money on, augmented reality glasses, it's not a hobby of theirs it's something that takes peoples minds off of reality, it doesn't add to reality anything neccessary, it doesn't make real life any better, but it's makers are some of the richest people on earth and they'll get richer by their negative creation that wasn't done as a hobby'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen something about contact lenses and how they can cover the real eyeballs on somebody's face so they can check their email through their contact lenses too, somehow darpa found it's wroth studying'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe for some 007 spy games, but to the public?  that's rediculous'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'optomestrists maybe can correct the vision with it, but they'd probably be marketing the things with that mentioned if that's what they wanted'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what they got is a generation of people raised on star trek and star wars and the matrix who think there's nothing strange, but cool instead about the stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what do you expect?  This is the same generation that finds it offensive not to share personal info with all the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facebook is evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'software patents are an abomination'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if computers would have stayed put as those floppy disk basic function apples in schools in the 80's, the internet as a educational and scientific tool, video games as console applications like a nintendo, multiplayer as sharing half a screen each maybe with an upgrade to another hardwired monitor, then several of today's probablems wouldn't have had any root to grow through'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade detects a selfish luddite
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't like technology, desist from using the internet'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is the Amish'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think the internet and world since 1990 or so received more negativity from these devices than positives?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of all the problems they introduced, new forms of psychological stimulation towards suicidal behaviour in some (lots of video game frustration suicides and shame campaigns around)'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'filtering of all of your nation's vital data open to security flaws, people like this young google CEO who maybe didn't work a day in his life being the richest and most powerful people on earth, overseeing the lives of everybody else, ie new ways to make money that you didn't actually earn'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'puts the lotion in the basket'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the worlds heaven father , 'our father who art in heaven', doesn't seem to correct them or else he prefers their self-corruption destruction, 'he who spareth the rod hateth his son', it's the job of parents to provide for their children, i wonder how many new ones think of that first, and if you were to consider yourself independent, what you could produce without the use of money which would sufficiently survive your bunch, as jobs are erased, maybe the pornography industry gets an upgrade for the unemployed, as though that's some kind of thing that's worth reproducing into the slave of a future with a human pretending to be god for you as you worship your blind sky father, who if in accordance with the bible verses is your destroyer'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty well hidden in there but if you put two and two together and the old testament david or solomon wasn't worshipping satan, then when coupled they provide that question, well where's the rod of god at?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and using common sense you can pull some luddite prophetian magic and speculate that in the future probably most people won't have any place at all in the world, and if you're not king wannabe then you're possibly one of his childrens casualties'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why people go to work everyday i guess cause they don't think too much'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/20124417011120487.html for real?  of all the things they can fussle over they select adidas marathons, that's what i'm talking about the world being ruled by satanists who claim to be other than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he's the destroyer arrogance person'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that makes almost as much sense at first as how augmented reality glasses will make the world a better place'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'already problems everywhere that are built upon as the basis for employment opportunities and later developments which indirectly are some of those employment opportunities, with no diagram available for what will be the purpose of your life after these problems disappear'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they erase the past and make it only as far back as the problems that became employment'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not natural at all, that's the main problem about the problems they focus on'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'colorado avalanche hockey team owner and wal mart daughter wife's cattle ranch claiming canadian roads and lakes and rivers, and also the eyes of the cops and politicians http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/04/04/bc-fishing-ranch-dispute.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was 100 smaller cattle ranchers who aren't rich, you think they'd be gettin away with that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the idea that pisses me off, somebody thinks they're god again'
T3/r6/2012-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"Things we've heard of the promoters is this is primarily a demonstration of sport, of athleticism, from the athletes," Engel said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/04/05/sk-liquor-board-mulls-lingerie-football-1204.html saskatchewan whore football exported from america breaking all the rules with the walmart monkey fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did that heimlich maneuver guy really fake his medical degree?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'moving here. q: is it ok to make jokes about repressive regimes and practices if your ancestors were subjected to them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think so, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir, its okay to make jokes about opressive regimes, unless you are within range of their reach'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my grandfather died in a nazi concentration camp'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that pretty much enables me to make fun of everything from nazis to slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he fell out of a guard tower and broke his neck'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts are you sure he didnt die outside? a lot of the mass graves were near the train depots not the camps'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hey, that's /my/ line'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'oh lord the debate chan is firing up!!'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'this is where i object with a few farts from time to time...'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/opinion/kristof-arsenic-in-our-chicken.html?src=me&ref=general'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"These findings will surprise some poultry farmers because even they often dont know what chemicals they feed their birds. Huge food companies require farmers to use a proprietary food mix, and the farmer typically doesnt know exactly what is in it."'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eggs are bad for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'eggs are good for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eggs are bad for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be high in protein, also extremely bad for cholesteral and visceral fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the generation that grew up during the war eating lots of eggs had terrible problems with cholesterol and heart problems caused by fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so now we have much less heart problems? '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I take that as a no.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guess that was the end of the discussion. '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'next time, check the current research before making claims'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we do have less heart problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diabetes is epidemic because of weight'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'no we don't. In fact, we have more heart problems now than ever in history.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people are fat'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the 'eggs is bad for you' myth has been debunked'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, it hasn't :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed, that is the reason. Has nothing to do with eggs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are still on the list of no-go's for people with high cholestorol'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for everyone else as part of a balanced diet, fine'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe in some placed that are behind.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not in Sweden, at least, anymore.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'See, there's a difference between "People with high cholesterol shouldn't eat eggs." and "Eggs are bad."'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden, it's not eggs are bad, it's trans fat acids are bad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden lost the plot when i came to freedom, unfortunately UK is trying to go the same way'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that sentence makes no sense what so ever'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can anyone tell me about Alex Jones?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, interesting'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not really'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly hysterical, but has some good points to make'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'all the hoopla about this marine stein is hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'kick him out and be done with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is marine stein?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'look it up on googlez'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that like looking up Santorum on google'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well didn't you know that questioning the government's stance on anything is punishable by prison?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you watched or listened to anything by Alex Jones?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sexperverts on the supreme court of the USA are aiding and abetting racists and sexperverts in jurisprudence and the police services'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican sexperverts are worse than the democrats'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a sexpervert?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that aid abet and or do strip searches with anal probing are sex-perverts (or racist sexperverts)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well both the parties are bought and paid for by wall street :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are five buggers on the Supreme Court of the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of those buggers are conservative or republican -- treasonous traiters that are not upholding the constitution of the USA in regard to "unreasonable search and seizure"'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparenly sexperverts on the Supreme court of the USA believe that buggery is not "unreasonable" when done by authority -- very "aristocratic" of them'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Zade, you lose a lot of credibility if you think because the Court hands down a ruling you disapprove of, that they're perverts. Resist hyperbole.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the judgements of the supreme court seems to be slanted to protecting the very rich (the aritocracy) and screwing the poor (as the aristocracy screwed the non-aristocacy in pre-constitition America)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government exists solely to enrich themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Doesn't make them perverts. '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That's not so, Tiger. Not to say that there aren't corrupt politicians, but there are many honest ones, too. That majority, even. It's a difficult job. I lived and worked in DC for years, knew a lot of people in politics and a lot of 'em worked their tails off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich get the benefit of the doubt and are treated with respect, those that are poor are or black are buggered by the police'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all controlled from behind the scenes, those working in politics who aren't corrupt don't realise it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich get the benefit of the doubt and are treated with respect, those that are poor or black are buggered by the police'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Great. Nice use of a sweeping generalization. All poor people are treated badly, all black people are treated badly. Do you really believe that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what proportion of the american prison population are black?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And how is it that you, Mr Aard player Tigernuts, know that but the people who toil in politics can't see what you can?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't toil in politics, they ingratiate themselves or otherwise are entirely ineffective'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, enjoy your cynicism. And be sure not to vote.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you honestly think it makes any difference how you vote?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might make me cynical, it makes you delusional'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Of course it makes a difference. What if 20 million people decide to agree with you right on election day?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand that corprorations own governments, it matters not who's in charge'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Every single vote counts. Those politicians aren't out stumping votes because they enjoy it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take obama, how many of his promises got ditched within the first year?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the supreme court rulings are turning the USA into an aristocracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Try to imagine making 300 million people happy. It cannot be done.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think the brand of encumbant governemt made any different to the countries of the world that suffered as a result of the bank-induced collapse of 2008?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, what's your solution then? Do you have one?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to which problem?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The corrupt government that is evidently ruining the world, that problem.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truthfully? nuke it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok. And replace it with... ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'failing that, find a quiet corner of countryside and barricade up'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't, literally nuke it'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let the cockroaches inherit the earth'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, luckily for me, I've got that quiet corner. 38 acres in the Finger Lakes of NY. But that wasn't why I bought the place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just pray they don't dispossess you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure how they'll do that. My mortgage is up to date and my taxes are paid.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think that's even vaguely relevent?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yes, I do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gated communities for the rich (where jewish-looking ?hispanics? with jewish names may stalk and kill unarmed blacks)'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask the land owners of the UK after the Norman conquest, ask the gentry of the UK in the early/mid 1940s'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, barring a foreign invasion I'm feeling relatively secure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if they just impose taxation on your land at an unaffordable rate instead, what'll you do then?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'll be in trouble, that's what. Just as anybody would.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"imminent domain" laws may be used by the rich to dispossess the poor '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the last 80 years, your government has not been there for your wellbeing'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But eminent domain is rarely used. I suppose if there is suddenly an overarching need for a subway out here, I could have a problem. Or if my land is ideal for the new airport that this area is unlikely to ever need. Mainly, the vast majority of land owners don't get dispossessed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those dispossession laws are reminiscent of the laws of communism, where the rich commiczars "in the name of the people" grabbed what they wanted from the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich "aristocarcacy" of the USA and their supporters are acting like the Commiczars of USSR communism'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not arguing that injustices never happen. I'm arguing that the comparatively rare occurrence of them shouldn't be considered the norm, wrong as they may be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did 2008 not happen in your reality, rhavage?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It happened in everybody's reality and I was not unaffected by it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how on earth does that equate to "comparatively rare"?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Is it still 2008? Does it happen every year? If so, it wouldn't have been news.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creating a banking crisis is only part of the process'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the estimate is that financial meltdowns happen in cycles deliberately caused by the financial sectors that lobby and resist regulations to curtail their reckless dishonesties'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask yourself why practically all of the countries of the world are cripplingly in debt to a tiny number of banking institutions?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many republican supporters became rich from the financial collapses, and they want more financial collapses'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet rhavage still seems to believe that who you vote for makes a difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesnt, because government doesn't matter'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're set for an authoritarian state run for the benefit of the rich minority'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may not be a single world order, but it'll happen in enough of the world that it'll make no difference'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernut, sticking your head up your where-the-sun-don't-shine is not a solution, but a vote of support for the corruptions'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'complacency to corruption is a vote for corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing i can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except find my own piece of quiet and live out what life is left to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you all do the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, there is reincarnation for some'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and reincarnation is able to be "Hell on Earth!!!" when karma gets hold of you'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure what I can tell you guys. I do what I can. I'm older than most here. I've retired from professional firefighting, been a school board member, a Girl Scout dad, a volunteer for any number of different causes. So we just do what we can do to keep our little place in the world in order.'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the Price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilence"'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you try and stand up to them, you'll end up in jail'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a majority of the people unified may affect change to improve matters'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't that many'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the internets is here'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think they are imposing laws that will allow them to monitor the internet, and control freedom of speech on it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Aardwolf requires to add encryption of upstream mccp '
T3/r6/2012-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'downstream mccp is likely condensed and garbled from snooping, though the Abelinc channel database is a weaklink to privacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'His earlier robbery of the car stereo made him liable for deportation at any time. After several months in detention, he was forced on a plane to Cambodia. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17527030 that doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd deport people on terrorist suspect charges over, or inform the children of that they should apply for citizen status since they don't remember all that stuff by default'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Officials in Tunisia say two bloggers have been jailed for seven years after posting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad on the internet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17640207 at least they were merciful and didn't death penalty them, which might be written in the quran and the satanic verses..'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social media's sure getting the better of people, one guy got his murder charge dropped cause a juror tweeted a relationship to the trial on his twitter page, (rockin robin - jackson 5), and a us marine might get a dishonorable discharge with 4 months of service left for placing a picture of obama onto a advertisement from the movie jackass on his facebook page..'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there was a syrian teenager who went missing, later reported dead on israeli local media, for writing down a poem on her blog which could be seen to criticize israels relationship with syria'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that last one's the most interesting, cause there was a report about her going missing, a report about 9 months later no sign, and that's it on major news networks like bbc and ctv and stuff, but finding out she's dead in a prison only was reported on israel's local newspaper or something else there'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't get much more demoralizing than a nation of people who sell their vagina's for money as portrayed by the media about thailand, but instead they focus on banning macbeth plays and locking up people who make slanderous comments about the royalty'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'refucking-dickulass'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I love thailand : ) might be like that in the cities but go hang out in a village there a beautiful people and the do more than sell there vaginas you go there and if they aint trying to nik somin from your pockets they do try to make your as enjoyable as possible its my fav place to vaction phillipines is next door there pretty cool too '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Isn't there a military coup going on there?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i have no idea i dont follow the news'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sure there is good and bad there, i was only thinking of what the media makes it look like the priorities of the government are'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o I agree with you i just wanted to say somin good about the place : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Almost every part of the world is wonderful and interesting in one way or another.  Its the various governments that mess everything up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The above comment would apply to Thailand as well as any place else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'humanity messes it up imo if ou took everyone currently in power out and replaced i bet we be in same boat 5 or 10 yrs later '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And therein lies the problem.  Governments are both universal and inevitible.  They are, you might say, on of many aspects of humanity.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hell i bet if you put all the people that discuss this stuff and are anti govt in power instead itd still be the same thing 5 or 10 yrs later'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that would be because the people doing the replacing would want to centralize it around themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol I didnt even think of that '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'For example:  There are more than a few Iranians right now who were shouting "down with the Shah" 40 years ago, and are now kind of regretting that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think about the world having a fund/piggy bank which can pay for cleanup of things like the japanese ship that crossed international waters to arrive off the coasts of b.c and alaska?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the steel and stuff on the vessal is still useful, and it would prevent x thousand gallons of fuel from being added to the oil company's cache'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard america does use the pacific ocean as a garbage dump though, having an island twice the size of texas made of trash out there in between the currents'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not enough's done in waste management and disaster prevention'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '10's of thousands of sunken ship's already's their main do nothing reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you have a large city and invest in a incinerator, you got nothing that pays for itself except for ashes, but if you use something like edmonton has which turns most of the trash into fuel, you can feed it back into the energy sector which reduces the cost of operating it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and might even add towards the debt of installing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also less pollution'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Conservative MP Chris Alexander says Canadians were not misled on the costs of F-35s, despite the auditor general saying this week that the Conservative cabinet would have known the pricetag for the military aircraft was higher than what the public was told. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/07/pol-the-house-f35s.html almost 0 accountability, and he laughs 9 billion dollars off like it's a monkey'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if this is more or less crooked than the double somalia donations the other year'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'they're worth the money though, 2 f 35s could take out ten f18s, if not more'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'is this the joint strike fighter?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'that the 22 I think, which is a stipped down, smaller, 1 pilot 35'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what if they are, he campaigned for prime minister on 16 billion dollar pricetags and stuck with that all the way, with the finance minister confirming he knew better'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because the JSF has had som AWFUL field tests'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'some*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the 35 makes it look like a kids tow'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'toy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drones are the future of air combat'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: '35 is a piloted drone'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah drone it all, and the people who make them will live in a land immune to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cockpit in a manned fighter is the highest profile for detection via radar and Mk I Eyeball'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably be the most rotten people on earth too, able to kill their engines or make misfires at will'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: '35 has the ability to simultaneously (sp?) lock on to like 8-12 targets and engage from a distance of something like 200-300 miles'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Compare the costs of ejection seats, life support, human readable readouts and inputs'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blind targeting, eh '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: '200-300 miles?? that's a really long way'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Try a swarm of cheaper drones, which can act as chaff on their own, and can pull 30g without killing anyone inside'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if a civilian craft is shot down at 200-300 miles, that is the price of arrogance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'you can tell what you're locked on'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'civilian craft isn't going to cruise 500 mph and have a lock profile'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'low*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '500mph is slow'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'cruise....'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Make one of those with no cockpit, an onboard AI and a pilot in a simulator at the forward base'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'you don't cruise at 1000 mph plus, run out of fuel wayyyyy too fast'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the computers in the planes are all security vulnerabilities'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'how?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably most of them aren't even made by the government's military which uses the planes'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You think a hacker can't gain complete control of a plane right now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the microchips and computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their IFF is off-site already'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the avionics is top secret, need top secret clearance to even work on them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'and thats just for the f 18 growlers'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposedly canada invented the avril arrow plane, which was used in desining lots of these others'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, armchair couch potato generals doing cameo presentations here'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was top secret back then it was at least a homegrown company making them, they were more soviet spy minded back then according to newspapers'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'I'm an aviation electronics technician in the US Navy, I think I might know a bit...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've worked on F/A-18s...nothing more than a show and tell of the IT systems for uni, but still'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'f18s are top secret'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the growlers are though'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They are sold internationally :-) Easy way around US secret classifications'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'growler is f18 outfitted with electronic warfare instruments'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it's also me early in the morning.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'very much top secret, had a few buddies get sent off to work on those'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'know more about 18s than 35s or 22s, those are USAF's babies'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My favourite were the 117s...all gon now :-('
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'gone*'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the level of secrecy is probably most of the cost'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder why they need such high pricetags on silence in a nation of patriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'pure speculation'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Chemosh, are you a Druzil alt? You need some more random ap'os'trophe's, but you're nearly there'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'chemosh is druzil, rename'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know what you know, why do you ask questions you know answers to, are you teaching me what i don't think but do that you think i do to think what you do?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, thought games 101, this is science'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh wow, so they are'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wasn't Druzil clanned?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Jek a Howard, Leonard, Raj, (or Sheldon) when trying to impress the "girls"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'impress girls, what makes you say that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't belong in clans of people i hate, group membership doesn't apply to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You hate your old clan? That souns sad :-('
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And wow I need to bash this laptop keyboard harder to avoid missed letter o.0'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Always fun when your keys are going bad :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'it's a new laptop, but the keys are lower profile to what I'm used to...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposedly world war 1 wasn't immortalized in american history, who sent 5 million people through it, because at the time people weren't sure why they were going to die, no clear objective in mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, it's because the US was so late to WWI they may as well not have bothered.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but these other wars were all very clear somehow, maybe it's a symbol of awareness that america will go to war for nothing instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's that too i guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1917 just about ove'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '5 million USamericans participated in WWI - unbelievable'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'WWI was about how British deliberate bungling was killing off australians and canadians'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Brit's still had a colonial mind about things'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many USAmericans did the British kill in WWI '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But yeah, fuck Gallipoli and dumbass old-school military minds...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Heh. "The woes of Spain and Ireland demonstrate that balanced budgets and low debt in good times offer no protection against crisis, so European leaders make tougher fiscal rules the core of their agenda. The broader euro crisis demonstrates the downside of fixed exchange rates and inflexible monetary policy, so the right doubles down on the gold standard." - Krugman'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They should all just go the way of Iceland'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Say "fuck you" to the banks, and take back their money and their country'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that what iceland did'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Say "fuck you" to your mom, because look what she did!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling points excitedly at Vakieh!
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She oughtta be ashamed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in some sense that's what iceland did, yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they defaulted, shifted the tax burden to the rich, and set the country back on a path to recovery'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the bankers will benefit too, in the long run...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And said to all the people their banks owned to take it up with the (now insolvent) banks'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Unlike the US, who said "nah bro, taxes can pay this"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whatever anyone says, there's no moral obligation to pay someone else's debts without any formal guarantee...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whining the other Euro countries are doing suggests they think differently :-P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, since they're on the losing end!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US case is different though, the scale of the failure was large enough that it would've hurt their own economy directly'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The failure in Iceland was far greater and more pervasive than the US failure'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it's pretty odd from an economic standpoint why they didn't just nationalise.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in global terms, it was a blip'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'because COMMUNISM, RAAAARRRRR!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iceland defaulting hardly affects the global economy... the US failure would have been devastating if not fixed'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Like the US government gives 2 shits about the greater international community'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but there's no good reason why the shareholders weren't wiped out.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If they could have saved themselves at the expense of others, they would have'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do... insofar as it affects them'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, but they couldn't...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i dunno i dont follow the news much but even the little i get i thought the chinese economy was very strong americas not concerned about that ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the chinese economy is certainly troubling to some...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some are concerned it will overtake the US soon, others are concerned that it's too shaky'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'good for canada they need alot of stuff :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am no concerned so much with the strength in the Chinese economy, but I am concerned with the lack of Chinese morality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from current trends, china's real gdp could match the us in maybe 5 years or so'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but will trends hold?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their blase attitude towards simple human rights is disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, countries at that stage of development don't tend to care much about rights'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries that make it past that stage tend to evolve'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether peacefully, or...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Western countries, sure - haven't seen it in any other theatre'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'pretty sure you could've called the US pretty "blase" about human rights 150 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'i can call them blase about it now - they have slipped a LONG way'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it happened in the western developed countries, and it happened in the eastern developed countries...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think it's inevitable that increasing wealth would lead to political change'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't become an advanced nation without strong education... and when you have an educated populace...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Santorum is a religious moron, going on about American History'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US pre-university education seems to be slipping in tandem with their regard for human rights. Quite unfortunate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disregard != regard'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quality of the diplomas/degrees aside, the proportion of younger people holding degrees/HSdiplomas has been at a standstill or even falling as other countries overtake them...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is turning into an aristocracy for the rich -- the legal system assumes the lowerclass USpeasants are criminals even when there is no evidence thereof'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate well hopefull when the lowerclass finally snap the aristoes dont have a stranglehold'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'usa citizens got gun ownership workin for them : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Question is: how much longer will it take for that to happen? Seems to me the poor the middle-class are still biding their time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well if they were going to do it sooner is better than later as technoligy increases'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but which side are the gun owners mainly on...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'skynet-type death-squad robots that seek out a kill UScitizens may change that balance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the avid ones sonshi I would bet anti gov't '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they need good govt, not no govt'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Even so if those avid gun owners who say they protect the consitution ever had the chance, mmany of them wouldn't help citizzens who do not own firearms when they need help.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if you knocked off 3/4 of the planets human pop would the planet be better for it ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I suppose it depends which 3/4 you knock off'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'roll of the dice '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '1d4 u roll a 4 u live'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '3/4th of the planet would be worse off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I sometimes wonder...if all of the people Christians seem to hate died, who woul they choose to pick on next?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eliminate the mentally retarded and the overly-religious'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the schismatics, of course!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'burn the catholics/protestants at the stake for heresy!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'is that skitzoes sonshi cuz i err got a littl scitz'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then when they're done with those, they can focus on the sub-schisms. Then the suc-sub-schisms, and then...'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'telemarketers should be the firt to go '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Telemarketers are hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe leave one so i can still fuck with him '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My quote - "I will buy whatever you're selling if you talk dirty to me"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you spelt luther with two 'r's! Burn him at the stake!'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i like to pertend im a horrible husband yelling at my wife to hurry dinner up or sum such'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Isn't it strange how Luther and Lucifer soun so similar...NEW HOLY WAR INCOMING'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'lmao Tolakomos.. next telemarket call I get I really have to do that one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'its entertaining :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I'd yell something like "You idotic broad!! I said well-done! It's RARE!! Make it again!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'you can yell at her hav her yell somin bak then say just a sec and go smack the couch with a cushion yell again , continue conversation :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'iv never been brave enough to try that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '"I'M TALKING TO THE SHOPPING MAN, STFU BITCH!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what if they call the police  o'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What are they gonna do, call the Mumbai police on you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'LOL.. well that one's better even. Smack the couch twice and make a stomping sound.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my friends gf got a nose job they were driving around public places making up abuse skits lol '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Hmm, you guys must really love making people uncomfortable, sympathetic & horrified :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im all about entertainment value '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Of course the satisfaction plays a major role too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate pull off skit ... hell ye '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'me an a bud used to do a skit wherweed nip one or the others wallet just as it gets to our stop then proceeed to chase was fun till we got fined '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'on  train even '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'anyway not really debateable :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Haha. Fined is better than having another man chase you with intent on severely harming the supposed 'thief', lol.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'True :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye thatd be ba but we were fast kids only reason we stopped for him is he had a gun ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere -P
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my doctor's from syria and i talked a little bit about what he thought of the war in the mid-east and stuff there, he doesn't seem to disagree that it's leadership is pretty ugly and it's a brutal place to live, tough to tell watching the news what's going on with what sometimes, you think the rebel's there are legit and stuff?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'killer's everywhere can't even explain what their purposes is for people to understand without lying, big complex issues like what'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're gonna mention stuff on the news they shouldn't keep all the simple basics hidden from the reader'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'freedom of the kind of replacing the person that doesn't represent freedom with on that does until that backfires'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'headline:  human cattle ranchers have decided to domesticate the rebel herd'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, at least i know what's goin on now'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's that gaza strip agreement to topple and settle in exchange for the services of the un'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In an affront to free speech, Canadian committee declares that criticism of Israel should be considered anti-Semitic. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117206368409551.html  -- israel's a nation, in the old testament anybody from another nation could come into an israeli settlement and live among them as long as they get circumcised, so they are a multi-cultural nation biblically - there is no white nation on earth that i'm aware of, where is a white nation that can't be criticised or my race is under attack, etc?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody?  some have majority's but not many are pure-breeds, sounds almost like nazi-germany's white race propaganda on history television, except it's jewish race here, and haiti too.. pappa doc wouldn't have none of that non-purebreed stuff practiced there, the ethiopean's might be like him'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, maybe evacuate one country on earth for each race'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any criticism of any of them nations can be considered a racist hate crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't criticise me, i'm part-russian and that would be a enemy of putin statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'wait, what?  you're beyond criticism due to a partial nationality?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't critisize me, either, I live in Arizona.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, being a half-breed i am a subspecies'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'wait, what?  you're beyond criticism due to a partial nationality?bs liz'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'hmm, oops.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, really, Arizona's got this bill in their state legislature that makes any sort of criticism or hateful speech on the internet a crime that comes with up to a 6-month jail term.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ask for extradition, canada would happily ship me south without due process'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(agreement signed between harper and bush or something, 2005)'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered what it's like to be waterboarded to death'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, that's our immigration policy.  It works really well for the rest of North America.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know no fuckin terrorist, jesus fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's that?  jesus fuck'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you wanna know, just take a deep breath while standing under the shower with your face upturned.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, that what israel does though, they even say jews criticizing israel are self-hating'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the committe comprised of jews and suckups'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand where they're situated there is surrounded by a bunch of crazy arabic people to more less degrees, but they could include that in their explainations and address of criticism, they're crazy here, it's hard to tell who's not crazy'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care if anybody locks me up or shoots me or tortures me to death or tries any of them or doesn't even do nothing, that's what they'd do anyways, if they like i can provide about 80 trillobytes of information that is extremely offensive and that i watched in my time on earth, often released from rich media companies and whatever else trusted sources'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then we can all go on trial together, after seeing this i seen no quarrel in saying this, i'm just saying something aren't i?  they're doing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seem to have drawn donald trump out of the woodwork to confirm some wealthy participants in media devices that i frequent from time to time, no other person that i could really pinpoint would have chosen those sequences at those times'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty good isn't it?  learning my enemies from the bottom up'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say in chile now there's a ex-Stasi mind-control administrator living, who selected which children of dissidents would be put up to adoption (auction?  maybe some toys for human slavery) to it's members and their loyalists, various death sentences shot in back of head, chinese water torture, various death rituals, she says it's the east german's own fault of trying to flee to the west and getting shot and agrees with the killers that they're righteous, who's collecting german pension at 'only' 2000 dollars per month'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing that a person loses alot of the reserves they might have had, considering it conceptually'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dokkar, which ethnic groups in Arizona intend to legislate to violate the freedom of speech ammendment of the constitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the political ones'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a murderer child destroyer brainwash person living freely on government pension, who's government she was within the right of way of in doing what she did at that time, however many homicides and crimes against life she's responsible for, and a 84-87 year old person called a nazi-war criminal getting locked up for the rest of his life in germany after years of ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the nazi who was under the same government-right of ways as the stasi were under gets punished, but she doesn't?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which: the jews, christians, republicans, the corrupt, the intolerant'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that just cause the stasi criminals went on to rule germany?  they're a interesting contraption'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if what i read's real'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the law is intended to be an anti-cyberbullying measure'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the political climate in the state of Arizona seems extremely racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have my doubts about when somebody calls somebody a nazi and things like that, see how easily they throw anti-semitism charges at people'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was once under the thumb of the nazi german government as a citizen, possibly a nazi what can we get on this guy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like freedom of speech removal to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'calling someone a slut, or even just criticizing a botched Phoenix dunk that cost the championship could get you into trouble'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'laws against cyber-bullying may be unconstitutional'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just about everyone but the legislators are decrying the bill as being far too vaguely-worded, and the governor is promising to veto it if it's not narrowed up by the time it reaches his desk.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if the government tells you you can't say something or they'll send their hitman (sheriff) to lock you up, you think that's not cyberbullying?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'turn on south park and count how many offensive quips you hear'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I refuse to watch anything that has more bleeps than distinguishable words.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and, yes, such a show would become illegal to air in the state of Airzona under this bill.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though the extremely racist politicians in Arizona want to stop criticism of their racist platforms by passing laws against criticism under the guise of anti-cyberbullying'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'justice is a farce as exemplified there, only real justice is without a court of law'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'duh, did you forget/ignore/somehow not hear the foaming-mouth gnashing of the teeth over the Limbaugh comments and Martin incidents?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh shakes his head.
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only monitor the news periodically'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the only weird thing about this is that the legislature wants to pass THIS bill and not a more sensible one, knowing it's going to cut off their allies' ability to ad-blitz the public.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah well, politicians and lawmakers are rich people who never have or never had to deal with the quarrels of everyday life that affect 98% of people on earth'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's like having hardcore democrat liberals engaging in an intense smear campaign of their champion incumbant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their bosses definitely never had to do nothing, they're just gamers playing with human deaths'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you would think they'd listen to the higher-ups, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so whatever vanity they enforce on you to limit your ability to be yourself is just funny to them, another reason to lock you up, and a future playing card in human extermination possibly, since these prisoners are consuming so much in government resources etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's been done before, and i read some pretty astonishing articles on the penal system and who commonly gets placed in it for what reasons etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even the Obama nation is all "WTF?! No, dude, just NO!" about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm offended that they talk about being offended by speech in a world they rule where it's common for sex-slavery and defamation of people's lives at their shit jobs everyday'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned anything that leaves a politicians mouth is void until they explain the difference between prostitution and pornography'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how long has one been illegal but not the other during their reigns of light?'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they legalize one and forget that they aided and abetted criminals for 3 decades'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'porn is not illegal, for the most part'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and at one point, prostitution was a calling as divine as the priesthood.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Republicans have hinted at banning porn. Funny thing, rednecks love porn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, only one has and nobody really likes him'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'if no-one really likd him, he wouldn't be in he position he is in'
T3/r6/2012-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's about a modern-day Ralph Nader'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'masters degree in political science question:  explain the difference between prostitution and pornography without the use of external reference material, using your own thoughts - explain how it is that one may exist where the other cannot under the reigns of several us presidents and what was the reason, then conclude the economics of what causes people to choose pornography or prostitution as a way of life and where all the soldiers come from'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know of one university professor who was a whore in the 70's so she could buy her phd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'porn is where you pay for sex on tv, prostitution is where you pay for it in person'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'another way to look at it is by following the money.  Is it prostitution if the actors cannot say no?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's about slavery, call it contracts if you want, video evidence in a real society'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not really consensual'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'semantics the sex on tv is prostitution '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah so it's sexual slavery, or they were just girls being girls having some good times'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if not then that looks like sexual exploitation and slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im leaning twards exploitation'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'for the bulk of em '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no children were conceived during the filming of this program, so it must be ok then'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teaching adults about what sex is for'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or were they aiming at a younger crowd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'theyd just callit art anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'watching violence on tv is vastly different to doing violence --  looking at porn is vastly different to partaking of prostitution'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'call it art all they want, maybe they'll kill themselves on camera and see if people scream or not, with artful eyes'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'heh i agree im just saying how the wheel would turn '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the difference in arts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know how this wheel's tendencies are pretty good, i just don't agree with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the difference is how the individual percieves that art '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'percieves tht picture/sculpture wtv'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but then that doesnt quite work'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hrrmmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade perceives that an "esl" misspelt "perceives" (twice, so not a typo)
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if i follow your question right : what maes a thing art and not porno=agaphy  ? I dunno im stumped'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'eh i dont much care for spelling'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you own a pornography industry that exploits other people's daughters under contract and their side-constitutional rights, should you have in the constitution a contract for your children to serve in similar demeaning occupations once they become of age of your lowest slave?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'porno-graphy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money talks and most people don't have much of it, democratic reforms'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'porno-agape'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i'm to stoned to even follow that chem ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i guess you gotta be married with children of your own to take part in the show'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'little boxes !!!'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, that was intolerant and rash to infer that pornography is exploitive'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, art and pornography and more importantly slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'live in a slave economic unemployed system why not have a democratic swapping of services if you profit from the belittlement of peasants'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'alot of real art was at the time of painting basically slavery for the painter i believe'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your princess should maybe take part in some gaping hole movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back when michaelangelo and them were painting up those roman murale's i think alot of the naked people in them were slaves'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're considered great works of art today like pornography'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'maybe they just tossed off in public back then the statues were like todays modern peepshow'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pornography is voluntary, slavery is not -- but a drug-addled intolerant mental-retard may unfortunately and wrongly equate ponography to slavery'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kiddie porn is not porn by that definition.  Misnomer, or faulty definition?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the saints have defined that art is only art when not under the age of 16'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 18'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like that, in some places you can be a work of art and still not legally purchase alcohol'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you'll know porn when you see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teh female brain isn't done growing until 23 years of age'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'what saints are these catholic saints ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media alludes to catholic funding of the adult film industry in germany since world war 2 ended'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not saying that Rick Santorum is drug-addled'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'seems farfetched'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'Sure relative but i dont see it '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most women have hairy genitalia by default too, maybe by 18 years old'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think he got addled by worse than drugs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but bald vagina's are seen as the most artistic of the three'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in most porno movies, maybe just bikini lines in some'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media said something he considers, he must be on lsd'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not THAT farfetched for two reasons.  "Enemies" of the church have confirmed that stuff like porn helps maintain a healthy sex life, and the Church was always well-aware that there were certain stresses that had to be released within its ranks lest they start causing problems (the recent scandals are proof of this).'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hugh Hefner looks senile these days'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one of the things I really hate about some groups of people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're going to hell if you have sex before marriage. you're going to hell if you masturbate. but you can't get married until you can support a wife. '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so in essence, you're going to hell. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they are financing porn or just lookin at it i ment financing i certainly believe they look at it '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those Hugh Hefner playboy models look like airbrushed transvestites'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who said those things probably come from people like herded up the germans since the end of world war 2 into cages and raped their women for a morsel of bread or just with force teaching the new generation about all of the hells and what to aspire to become and things like that, they're already there though'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of intergenerational hatred'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by financing it, they can put some level of control on its consumption'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hrrmm i just figured there bloody rich already and I think smart enought to know theres no way they can control it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi probably used just what i said'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're big on mind-control and social engineering, so was the presidents of the USA which was why i said political science '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they aren't trying to make christian porn, they're sort of trying to make porn christian.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'b nice if someone actually checked this out if i had fast internez i would : apperantly if u took the silhouette of te marquee de sades famous castle and put it over top the disney castle logo its a match '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's why god is supporting allah and damning christ and jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of the way maybe, he did that in the bible a few times'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate ooo that akes sence now make sinners of them so they come for redemption ok i can buy that '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent moderate christianity is preferable to judaism is preferable to islam'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by channelling where it goes and how it's done, it can be sold as palatable to the average christian exposed to warring concepts and mature enough to incorporate ideas from both sides.  Those who are too religious will end up with unhealthy urges they aren't acting on (eventually leading to something even worse happening) and those too secular won't be bound by the constraints of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'warring concepts really?  before i ever seen pornography i could conceive in my mind whatever lusts i wanted on a remembered image in a day of a dressed person'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so christians are mindless and pornography is their way of not sinning in their heart or something'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty shabby arguement, he who looks after a woman to lust after her (with intent) has already sinned against her in his heart'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or sinned with her or something, fornicated'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe not all catholics should be catholics or not all christians, christians'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, redefinition of sin.  It's not strictly "right", but it's impossible to strive for the ideal of not sinning at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they can't do commandments maybe they work for satan trying to twist their sick fantasies into their religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my first sexual fantasy was getting babysat by 3's company girls'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the idea is that when faced with a choice on any arbitrary concept, the layperson will come down slightly on the side of the church rather than slightly on the side of the not-church.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the church lay's claim to satan's traps maybe he's laying claim to them instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'definaition of layperson pls internez slow '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'layperson are the sheep in the flock.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the church is based around they profess the enemy of the devil (or the one to whom the devil can't come near in glory or strength), but the devil is maybe as incomprehensible wealthy as their god, which is the limit to that wealth'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'non ordained ye i got it finally '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ok agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'porn time'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'I believe theres definately beings of higher power than us whether any of em even care about our developement or not is up in the air no way in hell will i blindly follow  story written by a man'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lay-man (n) nonprofessiuonal, as distinguished from the clergy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i still think its a great tool to instill morales but belief is a whol other thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lay-man (n) nonprofessional folk, as distinguished (separate) from the clergy'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'morals*'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i woder if religion gave birth to gov't '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, all these religions claim that god is omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (can't keep any secrets from him) and omnipotent (otherwise he'd have limits)'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they still attempt to justify themselves, claiming to have faith in these things'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'right hes so perfect he made us '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if god really wanted somebody to do something, like know satan and god and their differences, then they'd know it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no people required'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'right he wants you u to stuidly have faith in something without proof to him that has value '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't put faith in things that i don't have any understanding of, except for the entirety of the unknown'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im still being good just in case : ) '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anything's possible, but i can only be myself and have my own self to experience it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm good sometimes, and what evil i do's usually pretty marginal, depending how it's seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly just nothing'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'love the grey area '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'man up and pick a side, dude.  War's coming, and if you try to play both sides you're just going to end up on the wrong side of a bunch of socks with bars of soap in them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't be going to prison alive for committing no crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can resist pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Not if it's PPER PRESSURE'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Peer, even. I gotta stop drinking so early.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hell no son i got my own peace of land i probally one of the most geographically safest places on earth and i know where the caves are ill be aright : D'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they invent a law and say i crossed it after the fact then i won't go to prison for that either'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i go to prison for a perception that is misguided then i won't go to prison for that either'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to go to prison i have to be reasonably sure i did something worth going to a human prison for'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise what's the point, might as well death penalty my way out of this devil's world'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i would for a small crime as apposed to death by resistance'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but iv experienced the place its definately not worse than death depending where u live ofc'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well the idea's there though, you can point out a million million retards or people who done alot worse than you even among the staff and their masters in governments'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ig go down shooting for anything over 20 tho that i didnt commit '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they want to throw you in there then they better have a better reason than why they're not in there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just thinking of being unfairly persecuted and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you go out and rob a bank or steal a car or beat somebody to death cause they winked at you then you probably deserve to be in there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but this other bullshit they threaten people with is shit, i'm not going to worship through fear or anything any person on earth who think's he's my god'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yes if i was convicted for rape or child molestation i didnt do  thats different i might go down shooting for that even if they offered probation '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so really were the same i just have a higher threshold cuz of my experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'see that stuff about them just handing out convictions to get more funding hehe '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better than malaysia where i read a report of them death squadding civilians so they could keep up their military paycheques at the american gold mine island'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For-profit prisons make people in countries that aren't the US laugh our asses off at you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, how dumb can you be?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: '95% of convictions are plea bargains comeone if that doesnt say there somin wrong with the system what does '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say that in juvanile detention's graduation to adult prison the inmates are already sold 15 times before getting there to being ass-fucked and things like that, often committing suicide, 35% or something suicide rate in some context'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'like the boiler temp in the red zone '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye the us gots its bad not sure bout others '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'dont think theres much of that here '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'canada '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'worst jail ever so far as iv heard is indias '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol gulag'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worst i heard of's maybe bolivia or el salvadore'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some in south africa seem pretty bad too, and china..'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they kill prisoners there and sell tehir organs'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate ye thats kinda ruff ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'Christ is Risen?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the answer to 1984?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, the NSA on the ministry video behind schedule is on this game and on yahoo chat'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so whatever they think their answer is is the answer to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'panopticon is older than NSA'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 1984'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'same idea though'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, but the correct answer ia 1776'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'tigernuta you make me crave honey roasted nuts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was countered by 2001-9/11'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, honey roasted nuts'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't see you fighting for it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'zade do you pronounce your name zay-d or zshah-day?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'like the singer sade'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well he mighta pronounced zay-d but he doesnt anymore :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'who wanna know bput 9/11 i was there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so was i'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they can photoshop reality now didnt you know '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and often do'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? pics or it didnt happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'planes crashed, the towers fell down'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are not in dispute'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) American: 'i sheltered the jewosh pilots who parachuted put bwfore the planea crashed'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o.0'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it is very likely CIA or nwo controllers essentially directed the attack via AlQuaeda'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'he prob lied about his nationality dontchathin'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'think even '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? you think al qaeda wouldnt just torture and maim teh cia spooks?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? CIA pay em'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'it was a ploy to go un sanctioned military base in the middleeast ethiopia maybe i don rem '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is extremely likely'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'to get a sanctioned i mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms as a listening post to gauge activities in iran? the way we used to listen from baku in azerbaijan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason we haven't had an 'attack' on israel by Iran is because USA believe it can get to invade without needing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're holding off to see if sanctions or arab spring can oust the encumbents there'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sry vamps i really dont pay attention to details everything i learn is secondhand from the media i make my assumptions based on that and what i think I know about human nature .'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Aren't most people in Iran actually not in support of their government regarding the US and similar issues?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, most iranians i've spoken to support the military.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seems Iran just needs to rise up and ditch their crappy caliph-wannabe leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling did you vote for obama?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do you have a low opinion of iran's safavid dynasty? or are you just posing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck no, I voted for McCain'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, what does that dynasty have to do with Iran's current poor view of the US?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you clueless poser.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that dynasty put the current power structure into place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i heard about this electoral college in the u.s.a , it doesn't matter what 350 million people vote for, the only votes that actually count are those in the college'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't matter who's president, they're controlled from above'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you think god's a evil monkey then above it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not from the bottom though cause the face of the deep's too deep for them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you mean like how romney prays to a god?'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere below but above'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a government was honest and doing what is most likely the correct thing to do in any situation, using public input and realignment of their purposeful actions based upon the diplomacy from below, then the only way for a foreign government of people who understand what's good and bad to defame this government would be for them to lie, and their lies will be observed by all of their observing members and once exposed to their public would cause discontent in their own government'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably similar to what wikileaks would have had as their purposes if they weren't trying to usurp, just showing people that what's up should be better understood instead of privatized by a few people to handle for you and all of your children'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'well said '
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like when jfk or the president of dr congo is mourned and people walk around looking lost, is because people didn't learn what to do and how things are from them so that their loss isn't the end of their countries, they're not lost, they just had a representative who actually meant them'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they just handle all the real business and now it's handled by somebody else, never having passed that on down the liens'
T3/r6/2012-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's handling it wasn't as good'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'RIP Mike Wallace'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'shouldn't that be on the sports channel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Not if you know who Mike Wallace is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't, so it should.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle snickers with Ranrr about their shared secret.
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'just two people with the same name :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Did they both just die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'just the old one'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'N.Korea about to launch a "satellite" rocket and Syria is shooting into Turkey...'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Should be an interesting day/week'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gooood'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I always thought it was funny that one can thwart the will of god with a millimitre thick piece of plastic/rubber.'
T3/r6/2012-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Imagine what one could do with a whole plastic factory?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The manager of the Miami Marlins baseball team has been suspended for five matches after saying he "loves" former Cuban leader Fidel Castro. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17667856 yep, freedom of professional sports opinions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american government trying to demonize people selectively uni-opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and through professional sports yet, and baseball!  which has several hundred immigrants from south/central and carribean nations'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's called discrimination in history, bigoted religions or races etc, opinions like assholes'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they run professional sports and banks, that's two disqualifications in a nation where mark twain novelts are edited'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's even more of a crime to criticize the president of israel, that puts you in line with nazi hate propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'us marines have their facebook pages filtered for any sign of non-unipinion of the president of the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if somebody has a bad opinion of you why couldn't you have taught them otherwise through your actions or explainations? '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, easier to just make a law and unwritten agreement in all national organizations that you'll lose your job and possibly be executed for sharing your opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi's are still a soft spot and wielding the biblical nation is our soriety'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and castro, he doesn't run as cruel of a place as people think from what i heard, but he's a demon to america'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dalai llama and china versus castro and america, what's the similarities and differences'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no other nation on earth (although several try, but aren't publicized often because the one race owns all the media) that has protection in it's national decisions based upon allegations of hate crimes against any and all who oppose them, even from members of their same race - as israel does'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't matter what you question, questioning is something that's not to be done or else you're a nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they got just about every government around under their control'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some use religions though, you have no white nation, there's several black and brown though and asian'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sweden, russia, belgium, germany all are half-breeds or mixed-race nations, where politics in just about every african nation is black, politicis in israel is jewish, politics in america is possibly jewish but mixed race, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'go to a jail chem its the same thing blacks back up blacks asiain asain and the whites fend for themselves mostly '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's racism, otherwise they'd be mixed everywhere or having a white nation wouldn't have been seen as a crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any non-chinamen politicians in china?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt it'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But if you think about it, white people still have power in just about every country. Either it's the exploitation of resources, the control of the banks, whatever. It's a relic of the empire era, mostly. It wasn't until very recently that China started moving in on what's typically been a UK and US thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'whites are the first people and probally the quikest to jump on for being "racist" but in my exp we are the least racist '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, we are the least racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm white, and I'm not racist. I wasn't trying to make a statement of morality, simply factuality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every race has it's racists though, some just more extravagantly than others'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The idea of a 'white nation' is kind of an oxymoron. White folks run the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im prob racist for saying that ><'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white nation automatically brings ku klux klan nazi's to peoples minds, through conditioning of the media'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath really? what about jacob zuma, or barrack obama?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or that hu jintao guy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the emperor of japan.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the royal family of spain'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You think Obama is the sole authority in the nation? Name one black general, besides the retired guy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or the royal family of thailand'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you say black nation or asian nation or jewish nation there's several real world examples, jews have israel that's fine, but politics in multi-cultural nations shouldn't be ogliarcized towards their nation's best interests and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what about the saudi royals.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and banks and telecommunications'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Look at the multinational conglomorates. Wars have been about banking systems more than anything else, and it all ends up consolidated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'arms developers'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'science, all that stuff shouldn't be racially administered'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath so we should run around fearing solidarity?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you give every race their own nation and their own platform to develop them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not at all. I'm not against it. I'm not particularly for it, either. It just is what it is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that statement provable / disprovable?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it just your unfounded opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise there shouldn't be any racist nations around, especially when they're used against the freedom of your own people'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That rich white dudes run the world? I'm pretty sure there's plenty of evidence to support such a claim.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath name one white guy that controls more wealth than king abdullah of saudi arabia'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude taps his foot impatiently. What can he be waiting for?
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate could be a case of grass is greenner on the other side :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not grass , its marijuana'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'King Abdullah has 26 billion bucks in his family's businesses. Mike Duke controls ten times that much with Wal-Mart.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm sorry, twenty times that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'shhhh'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath... king abdullah's influence over opec?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Pales in comparison to many CEOs ability to influence world markets.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath so if opec suddenly made all gulf oil unobtainable, you think that has less influence than if walmart closed for a month?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'OPEC controls about 30 million barrels per day. Non-OPEC sources control about 35 million. I'm not saying OPEC can't affect prices, but the days of ruining economies on a whim are behind them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm sorry... 31 billion, not 35.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i don't agree with that figure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but, in terms of a whim, it doesnt have to be a whim'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they merely have to declare that there is instability in the region, and announce that they have a determination that their national reserves are too low.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'those non opec sources are they fracturing on there own countries soil '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you know how easy it is to get the rest of the world to aknowledge instability in the middle east?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if thats the case then yes closing the doors would have a huge impact fracturing hurts and our govt'sluike it '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'out of lala land, how much oil produced on the american half of the world is used by the american half of the world, and how much is shipped abroad?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they say nationalization is anti-democratic'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh by abroad, do you include mexico and canada?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i mean asia and europe and africa'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gulf of mexica spills were managed by european companies, seems odd given that they're so close to the american shoreline'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i know that in canada we sell alot of our resources to the us and buy the same type of resources from the us for more our politicians tell us its good for the economy '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tolakoms it is... as long as it helps them cook the books'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does any oil at all get floated over to america from saudi arabia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt it myself, probably mostly is sent to that half of the world isn't it?  along with lots produced on this side of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'to me i think of a division in terms of class, and im not sure that the things that are good for the economy of a rich investor are the same that are as good for the economy of somebody who wants to own a home one day are.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but that's far removed from the oil topic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate i have no idea but that rings true chem \'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'except in places like saudi arabia where a few royals own everything.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh... i still have chemosh on ignore from when they turned me down for a cr after asking me if i worked at a gas station.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'US Dept. of Economics says that 17 percent of our supply comes from Saudi Arabia. But it doesn't specify that oil ever reaches the mainland. I'm sure a lot of it gets used up by American interests overseas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your tells never make any sense so neither shall mine'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'get over it m8 '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath do 'wars' use oil?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i mean, officially?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's my main point... the US Army guzzles a lot of gas and oil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath is that your opinion, or the official view of the u.s. army?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And it'd still be considered American demand, as far as the economics go.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oath what if an offshore security firm like blackwater renamed to twice used it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, good for the economy they don't know good if it kicked them in the ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just depends on which futures market they purchased it at.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's only so many places you can buy oil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If it's purchased in New York, but pumped, processed, and used entirely overseas, it stil factors into the numbers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of all the ponzi schemes you see mentioned in a lifetime you rarely see the government being prosecuted'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you not buy into it?  probably not or they'll send their sheriff's'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never seen a study on the rates of skin cancer in nations that get alot of sun but probably can't all afford sunscreen and that of other places where sunscreen is used alot'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's possible that the lotion itself possibly when mixed with the sun results in skin cancer, like the 1960 zit medicine and liver disease'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes to stop uv rays is water, they toned down their monitoring of things released to the general public around 1985-1990, before then they actually did their jobs a little bit - in 1951 they knew thalidomide resulted in children born with no limbs and other defects, in 1963 they finally made it outlawed'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what happens when you pay murderers and people who don't know what they're doing to do jobs relating to public safety'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there should be though, since there isn't that shows that not only are they not doing their jobs, but they have hidden the contrasting considerations from sight as evidence of that'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they get paid 500,000+ each a year'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of tax dollars'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 60 years ago they were feeding thalidomide to pregnant women knowing full well that what they feed them results in babies born without limbs, for over 12 years until their victims amassed in the millions and the government was forced to take a glance at what it already knew'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and somehow people think that's all behind them now, sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'joseph mendele's experiments on human beings weren't all limited to the nazi's as that can bee seen as'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he knew what he did was wrong too'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dead is dead and killing anything systematically is about what they're about isn't it?  both are the same then'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how much i trust the government in any place'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'same characteristic idea's of people that are incarnate in the past and present *, that's usually what i talk about when i compare supervillains of reality to system's that have done the same kind of things in the past and present'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they never even make the news sometimes, like opinions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just out of a actual reasoning process they can't be trusted and should be criticized - they say one of the worst things to happen in a place is when it's government is feared by it's people more than the other way around'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Killing people through their ignorance is one thing, making knowledge a monetary value is another - is money the root of all evil?  or maybe exploitation of peoples ignorance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'desire is the root of all evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'desire doesn't seem to be good or evil, what's desired and for what reason maybe sometimes is'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Desires are meaningless without the means to accomplish them. Power is the root of all evil, then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, desire is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you don't want it, you don't expend resources to get it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, say I desire to wipe out all humans. It doesn't hurt anyone unless I can somehow execute it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are lots of racists, but only one Hitler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, there are many more Hitlers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Fair enough, you have a point. But far, far fewer than there are racists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'slightly less as many Adolph Hitlers, and of those, only one was in a position to maim and torture millions by proxy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being mad at the world's usually based on something you hate about it and a debate over whether what you used to like about it's more or less predominant in your opinion than what you hate - like old yeller the dog dying of rabies was once a real dog but the vermin took over it's real properties and slowly decayed them - depending how you see things, wiping out humanity can seem like a mercy killing of all the world's good properties or the eventual transition into a rabid dog gonna die and hating living'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought about it before, lots of people did'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then there's always the possibility that the people who enforce rabies on the world will be replaced with some saner alternatives'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The motives for the desire aren't relevant. Whether it's for purification or punishment, it's only when someone has the means and the will to use them that things gets messy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, motives mean alot - they're what's used in committing the action'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who're evil are easier to dissuade than people who aren't, also easier to tell them out of a pack'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who thought things through and keep on thinking things through are more difficult, because their judgement tells them the answer'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I really can't think of anyone who is evil for evil's sake. "A villain is never a villain in their own eyes"... There's insanity, and there's purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you're correct, but i can think of several real world examples that make me agnostic'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I can't disagree with that statement. Mankind is capable of terrible things, and many times in the name of a god who doesn't seem to mind or must not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You'd think "love thy neighbor or else" would eventually invoke the else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, love thy neighbour as thyself, some people hate themselves alot, so if they're sharing themselves with others then there's no real crime in not loving them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of pretending though'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what you do about it, some people don't think things through much, don't get punished much while growing up or develop a sense of mutual respect'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the world's largely an evil place, and not only is it considered irrational to attempt to find a reason for the current world, it's also social taboo to attempt to reason out the minds behind society in the past and compare their assumed differences to those in the present'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'history repeating itself is never on television, but some people make blatant comparisons with no real depth put into it, or too many UFO stories to be considered rational'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I've never been certain if there really is more evil, or if it simply gets more attention. I'm not sure if the end result makes any difference though, in the long run.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more attention is possible, media is alot more accessible today'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another consideration though is that in the past media like this and newspapers and stuff was handled locally and there wasn't much of an investment ogliarchy over what people think'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dictators each had their own use of media to make them look good usually and their opponents look bad'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's kind of similar'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Depends how far back you go... Hearst had a pretty tight rein on what was reported. Yellow journalism or whatever they called it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not much different than Murdoch today.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And as you go back, printing costs increased, the number of literate people decreased, control would only be easier.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Today anyone with a shitty laptop and a table at Starbucks can publish something, but it doesn't make the truth any easier to learn.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Everyone has an agenda.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's possible, how far back we can't go though, they exhume massive crypts underneath churches in italy and places like that, so around there from the bodycount we get some idea of what kind of back was back there'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to think of the world outside of the inherited systems of power of today that govern people, seeing the original criminal psychologies and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'my agenda is to have no agenda ye guess your right '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause through that kind of speculation i can gain a more firm understanding of all of their manifestation in the world, probability theory and stuff except done without math, what's most likely, and how could things be done differently freed from the boundaries of however long those mass graves were appearing'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of building ideas built on the system, criticizing the system and it's developers (probably most of who are dead) and seeing what sacrifices they made that oppress people today'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the american saying is 'one nation before god' and way back when their order of operation was government -> man -> god, so man had a head for god or better, and government had a head for man , who held them accountable'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That goes back to the Holy Roman Empire... back when the Pope was literally a head of state. Now he's head of a stateless nation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Religion and government have almost always been linked.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think vatican city being a nation inside the capital of italy is a way to get around things like JFK's separation of church and state (he also met with the pope)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the pope's probably the ruler there, so he can represent the nation that isn't the catholic church'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There was a Far Side strip, or a comic like it, with a caveman on a rock podium saying "How can he protect you from the boogey man if he isn't even sure he exists?" which I think sums up early man's ideas about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican is "head" of a lot of monies -- all those Catholics paying tithes'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And even without the tithes filling their coffers, they have their "no questions asked" bank which is really second only to the Swiss in terms of customers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's odd because jesus in the gospel story threw over the money changers tables in the church and said to render unto caesar what belongs unto him - separation of jesus and the bible seem possible too, antichristian churches and things'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like arnolds movie the end of days puts it ' you are the true enemy of god, houseman''
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pennies for Peter, Pennies for Paul, Pennies for the vatican that oversees all (those pennies)"  (to the tune of A'sauling)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'churches should be built and upkept with manual labour of their parishioners, in my opinion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Amish style... you help me build a house, I'll help you build a house, we'll all pitch in and build the church.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see what the profession in being a man of god is, but i don't think politicians and government officials should consider their work as work either - otherwise they can just keep on making jobs that don't exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was a fiction -- also, tossing money tables was neither turning the other cheek nor being swiss'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lest i come to thee as a thief in the night - bel and the dragon and the family under the table'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm couldn't say with certainty that there never was a man named Jesus. But I also couldn't say with certainty that any of the stories we have about him ever occured.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever's real i think that god wouldn't mind if people focused on that, considering that the people born 3700 years before the bible was ever written probably never heard of jesus from a priest or other religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have had theirs back then too though'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was they all sinners?  haven't heard the name and received the holy spirit which nobody can figure out how to be reborn'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is a book of fiction -- quoting from the Bible is useful for repudiating the religious, not for supporting idiotic contentions of authority'
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T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible's also good to make comparisons with and possibly learn some spiritual realities, and as a consideration whether or not it's real there's plenty who seem to think so'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read alot of stuff and the bible's one of the most difficult'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is seemingly imitating a religious nutter '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also to find irregularities in it's own pages or typographical errors, questionable implications'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is not difficult when not a believer'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it puts me a step ahead of most deceivers spreading some holy message from a book'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all are deceivers though, so it's good'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but those that believe the crap in the bible, difficulties'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you read a whole book without believing a word you read?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider possibilities without closing my mind to them'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves everyhing
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves everything
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"an open mind that is too open is like a garbage acceptance chute"'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about all garbage on earth has it's roots in something, at those roots and how they're treated in the trash you can decide what kind of person wrote the trash and what their intentions were'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so got yourself some more psychological profiling and trends to look for/learn to expect in other trashpiles'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not the bible is trash is a matter of opinion, maybe affirmation in your anti-god faith, but that wasn't enough for me - parts of it can make me angry reading it, other parts make more rational sense, other parts seem too good to be true, but altogether they're a book that's not easily thrown aside under my label of trash - which usually requires a good understanding of the author and what kind of person they are, what they expect in their audience and what type of audience they appeal to - the bible doesn't make base supplications to the reader as some other religious texts make, or ponder too lengthly on absolute vanity - even their formula's for temple's and ark's of covenant might have some meaning that's beyond the objects they created'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'nnote to mention at the time the scope and granduer of such a feat bfr that the greatest piece of lit I think was the odysee'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wrote one down about ritual sacrifices'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a possibility though instead of an absolute - the type of mind that arrives at the thought that you got to kill things and feed god blood and gore'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'iv always wanted to read nieche not that im anyway like that but I found it interesting how he supported his conclusions'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'the ones I read'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'how can u condemn human action if a human did it its human nature that'd be like blaming water for being wet'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i listen to the finnish language and don't rely on a translator, i can almost tune into the meaning of their words never having learned them - and what's strange is that sometimes they seem to speak a fast and little-used dialect of english, like words in english that exist but aren't used commonly, but which do have meanings, that sometimes are the translated meanings of the speech'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'did you take any ummm frig i cant remember the class but theres some classes that help u do that my sis can do it '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the tower of babel was maybe a real place to me, in modern times there's the cowboy and indian shows where the indian says how, and that means hello, hello sounds like hell low, hi sounds like high, how high?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'very my man '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me it doesn't seem like unintelligent design, and if they're developing modern languages under the basis of questionable meaning then how do they do it unintelligently?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'eyes wander '
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably can't make that observations too easily if you think inside the box, but stepping back and watching for yourself and your own mind things like that might seem odd'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i mean about systems and how things work in the world, money's all they talk about in politics and reason with in negligence'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stepping back and lookin at what resources a real government has available alot of the problems don't have to exist by the faintest stretch of the imagination'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mark twain based cartoon a mysterious stranger you can find on the internet is like that too, look for the spanish version and read the translation to english, where sin means no and satan means saint evil'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if sin really does mean no, and people are taught about not sinning everywhere, are you supposed to not say no or what are they saying?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like why they don't translate jehovah or allah into english, they say allah translates to 'the deity' but they say in egyptian mythology that at utterance of a name it's owner's shade appears'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's hard to assign a greater meaning to random sounds, etymologists have been studying language for a long time. Most likely our earliest version was something similiar to the Khoisan family of languages that survive today... click talking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they maybe have this belief in not translating those words into readily comprehensible (or incomprehensible like what's a deity) meanings'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere in the old testament one of the characters claims 'I AM sent me', so he's talking on behalf of god somewhere through there and here he claims he sent himself'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the spirit of life 'I AM' i exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds maybe do have meaning though, at least in hinduism and egyptian mythology sometimes they do'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one custom in egypt was to give people a public name and a private name so that witches couldn't use it in their identification'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that would be interesting if the bible and the koran were both based on the same religion, or maybe one of that religions teachings uses both (like most of the world follows one or the other) buddha and krishna aren't too far back though, satan might be manifest everywhere without peoples knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like illuminati stuff, except that word kind of sounds foolish doesn't it?  almost like UFO aliens'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's a book called "Before the Dawn" by Nicholas Wade you might find interesting, Chem. It tries to recreate 50,000 years of prehistory by combining etymology, genetics, archaeology, geography, and religion. It doesn't really draw firm conclusions, it just describes the data as they existed in 2006.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll look for it next time i'm at the store'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I love it, mainly because it's not a judgemental work... it's just an exploration of ideas.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise where would they have found the fear to not translate the name of their deity into english for an english speaking people?  i'm not sure if allah sounds the same in arabic and english and that's the reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but beyond that there's that egyptian belief (that they say) they believed with utterance of a name it's owners shade appeared (shadow was part of the soul)'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Aren't all the Abrahamic religions closely related?'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing with religions is how do we know where they come from instead worshipping the source, who wrote them and what kind of people (as you say and the mass graves in the past) would have had the time to write them, what were their intentions, what are the intentions of the modern iterations of their story, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The Jews had a similiar aversion to speaking god's name... they still tend to spell it g-d instead. Christianity was one of the first, at least the first religions from that region, that didn't have some secret name for their deity. I think it was about power... not so much power over god, but the power of mystery to keep their audience's attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'homoperverts use "g-d" except when referring to themselves as "god" -- so, Chemosh, are you saying the jews are gay'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I was the one who'd mentioned the g-d thing. I wasn't saying anything about their sexuality, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Oath is a Chemosh apprentice'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you both sound similar'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except for the ufos and conspiracy theories, sure. I like a good debate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Besides, it's easy to tell us apart... I use capitalization and punctuation. :p'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never heard of trumannn'
T3/r6/2012-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which twilight movie is gonna have those volturi dudes get their buttocks's kicked?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Icke, crazy or misunderstood?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which news story was he involved in again?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He's a crazy conspiracy theorist. Does a lot of book tours.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recently? none, but he's one of the people who believe an oligarchy are trying to take over the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's crazy, but quite a lot of what he says has a lot of truth in it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5+5=11 stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you DO know that's what's going to happen when we see Jesus again, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Reptile overlords?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's going to say "ffs, the last thing I want to see is CROSSES"'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reptile overlords thing is a little misunderstood'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, they failed already and are quietly withdrawing'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he spent years researching religion and culture of ancient cultures'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and was drawing parallels'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if you insist he means literally that reptile overlords exist, then you're also implying that God, including all the Hindu ones, manifestly exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he really is talking about is people's beliefs and the existance of good and evil in people's lives'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they weren't as sneaky as they thought they were, and the all-powerful amorphous beings of light from other dimensions who can wipe entire races out of existence with mere thought told them to knock it off...or else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is always the case, the least important part of any religion is the belief in the existance of a God'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought he was talking about reptile space gods secretly controlling the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sortof'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit more complicated than that :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like saying "It's some superpowerful space-creature that created the earth" when asked "What is Christianity?"'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'ALL HAIL THE SPACE CREATURE!'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, nice to see the USA following UK into police state territory'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'real gods don't exist outside of our belief in them.  If you could round up all the Christian believers and Pol Pot their asses without someone sneaking off to preserve the belief, you can kill God.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's no better or worse than any other religion, but it's his position. He seems sincere.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not -his- belief system'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the lizard people/illuminati/aliens are a weird bunch. they run the world and still insist that they should spy on crazy people and probe them anally'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well, a lot of his detractors say he stole it pretty much wholesale.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they all did.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't claiming ownership of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, but he is seling it. I wouldn't say every idea he presents is without merit... but if the question is crazy or misunderstood, I'd fall firmly in the crazy camp.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do realise the constitution will be abolished within 10 years?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(american constitution)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you say so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Didn't they say that ten years ago?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the first and the fourth are already out of the window'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriot act :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ending of posse comitatus'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the move towards gun confiscation and repeal of right to bear arms'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Posse comitatus was already bent beyond recognition when paramilitary units started executing no-knock search warrants for drug offenses.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does that make it alright?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, but it doesn't mean the country is ending.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'can I use your kid as a prop to demonstrate the point?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can find one'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And other than an artificial scarcity of ammo from hoarding, I haven't seen much change in gun laws, either.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'involving someone's kid really changes how they think about stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys -have- a consitution at least you can refer to'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK there is no yardstick to measure the erosion of liberty against'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means it goes unnoticed'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'isn't the Magna Carta still technically in effect?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can already be stopped/search without a warrant, can be incarcerated without charge, out calls, texts, and emails are already recorded by the govmt, and soon, our websearches and web pages we visit will too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'web traffic is already recorded'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has, but government didn't have carte blance to access it before, it was subject to data protection act'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just required a warrant. It was no more deterrent than saying "Please".'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, doesn't justify it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Also doesn't mean the end of everything.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that also doesn't justify it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you being summarily executed on the spot without reason or recourse wouldn't mean the end of society either'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I remembered some elder woman was fined & told to remove her organic garden from her front yard because the city code defined a front yard as one with only trees, bushes & flowers. Somehwere in NY I think. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i'm sure you and your family/friends might not be terribly happy with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noods, hluth, some guy in georgia committed suicide after a campaign of corruption and harrassment by city officials'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Individuals vs homeowner associations is also not new. People have been told to remove the American flag, even when properly displayed and lit according to federal law.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's a far stretch from changing data access to being shot in the street. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'When that starts happening, you'll have my attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Poor guy. :/'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'The subtle changes are what matter the most though, Oath.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The bottom line, let's say there is some vast conspiracy that's worked tirelessly for years to set up the world how they want it. Why knock it all over now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it's incremental'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's nothing special about the time we live in, other than we happen to live in it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'risk aversion, basically.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether a giant conspiracy or a 30yr slide into tyranny through concatenated greed and stupidty'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda irrelevent, the end result is the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I honestly think most of the corruption & tyranny is due to thousands of different people systematically taking everything they want for themselves. If there is some group invoolved, they're not going to be able to do much against the independent ones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a cancer, whether directed or not'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I wait every day for something big to happen, but like I said, the small changes matter the most, and everything, the economy, social structure, just slides slowly down, degrading.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But it's a disease that humanity has been carrying for thousands of years. No reason to pronounce the patient terminal yet.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MIT paper suggesting total world economy collapse in 2030'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'But Oath, don't you think with the technology, understanding of cultures, the thousands of years of new intelligence.. we'd be off with that disease? Shouldn't we have bettered, than to have stagnated?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'until and unless it becomes individually disadvantageous to do so, it will continue'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some say they're deliberately poisoning people with crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I would hope, perhaps. But without a basis for comparision, it's hard to say whether we are ahead or behind where we should be.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i say it's probably as a result of greed and incompetence, but the end result again is the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'money ruined everything.  they do have the cures for everything, but theres no money in it.  they do have more effecient tech, but it uses less gas'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'money also made a lot of things possible that wouldn't have been on a purely trade-based system.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'IT was a good book. I haven't seen the movie though. I think I actually have it on VHS, but I never popped it in.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hard to do research in anything if you're relying on a farmer giving you a chicken if he feels your research is worthwhile'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'plusses and minuses to everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'before money, there was land.  Before land, there was stuff.  Stuff is the root of all evil.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'really in the end its.. time corrupts all'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But there is just as much energy going into fighting it. Every day a million people do good deeds without making the news.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be arrested :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Have you been arrested?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or stifled from speaking your mind?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Rise of Leslie Vernon pops up on the free on demand stuff on cable now and then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Dammit. Too many channels.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'In schools you can't argue with the teachers over political incompetence, or other stuff of that nature. I tried arguing with my History teacher that Columbus was a land thief, a murdering lunatic bigot.. and I got booted out. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been dumbing down qualifications here for 30 years'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'No doubt about that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'And you're correct about feeding people stupidity through food/drink. I feel dumb just after eating a fast-food hamburger.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, is it laziness? want to make the figures look good so you can claim you've done good in government? incompetence? or part of a big plan?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, makes little difference, same end result'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'The old: Empires rise & fall.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And yet the world keeps turning.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'fast food is not as bad for you as everyone claims it is.  These claimants just don't want to draw too much attention to the fact that most people (including themselves) are far lazier than they care to admit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the fast food per-se, it's your overall lifestyle'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't want american burgers after seeing the pink sludge they put in it, and how it's made'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'really?  Because anyone who uses pink slime over here uses it all over the world.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and not many used it in the first place.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't eat fast food burgers :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Yes, Oath. World turns... until Planet X arrives and blasts us into oblivion! :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the things that makes fast food 'bad for you' imo is because it's so easy to overeat without realizing how much food you've actually eaten. fat is a lot more concentrated. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'its in ground beef from the store too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'sodium is very high in almost all fast-food joints. fast-food = stroke & heart lurking in wait.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'heart attack*'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'All in the same quantities used in expensive sit-downs as well as in grocery stores.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sodium = yum. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'where it's not, folks still use salt and other seasonings like nobody's business.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'How do you knowq that, Dokkar? Do you read all those nutritional value papers in expensive or fast food joints? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because our taste buds *like* salt and fat. Chefs in fancy restaurants know that just as well as the fast food joints. '
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'salt, fat, sugar, your body gets addicted to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I've been obligated to research it, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like any addiction, nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, heroine, sleeping pills, SSRI's'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'caffeine'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I'm addicted to Ben & Jerry's Mint Chocolate Chip ice cream. Damn tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, plus our bodies are mostly not optimized for a time of plentiful food.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all the meat even comes from the same places using the same recipes.  The same "horsemeat" you deride Jack in the Box for selling gets rave reviews as the highest-quality meats served at tony establishment such as Tony's (in St. Louis, old enough and rich enough and high-class enough to have served powerfolk all the way back to Prohibition.)'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all meat is not equal, i tend to get meat from local farmers markets or local butchers where i can trace which farms the meat came from'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not my burger!'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the establishment are trying to clamp down on local produce too, because they want to control all the world's food resources'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'where do you think the processed meats come from, Tiger?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, really? how are they clamping down on local produce? mandated inspection for that as well?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Also meat is different as to what farmers inject their cattle with those hormones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandated inspection and registration, restriction of movement, all prohibitively expensive and unneccessary'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for produce as well as meat?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not produce yet, but i wouldn't be at all surprised if that happens, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'As long as "downers" are a thing, I'm all for more inspections.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yech.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, all our honey bees got wiped out because of Bayer's dodgy pesticides'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Maybe. It might be a virus or a parasite. Without corpses it's hard to determine a cause of death.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and decades of dodgy pesticides are partly to blame for the explosion of asthma, allergies, and other problems'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty strong evidence now, oath'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/034678_honey_bees_colony_collapse_pesticides.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I haven't checked up on the bee story since last summer, so I'm not up on anything more recent than that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'll go read that, brb.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Worst part of that article? Yeah, we figured it out, this is what caused it. We'll take care of it later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's terrific. :/'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Biggest problem with environmental issues today: we can identify them, but no one gives a shit enough to do something about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Anyone here know how all those birds, cattle & fish died in the masses last year? Was it ever explained?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Was actually around the world type of thing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear about that'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, the biggest problem is that nobody (and I mean NOBODY) wants to make the sacrifices.  They want the issue solved, but someone/anyone/everyone else should suffer the inconveniences it brings.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had a spate of problems with lambs and cows being born dead/crippled as a result of some mystery virus, but that's about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'huh. well don't remember the very details'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there were shitloads of flocks of birds who randomly dropped dead.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be just about anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't they have some outbreak that killed a bunch of fish and nobody could explain how the fish even got there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'I remember that one, Majic. One town literately had hundreds & hundreds of birds rain down dead on spot.. lying in every yard, top of houses and on streets.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hluthmere nods at Dokkar.
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe chemtrails?'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Arkansas, back in January 2011, comes up on a search.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Town of Beebe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'could be.  Chemtrails make it rain on clear days, after all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably that or your government trying to steralise niggers'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'airborne virus/vaccine'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear they've been trying to stoke up hatred between the races in america in the same way they've been trying to stoke up hatred between the classes here'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Sheez Tigernuts, little outburst of racism? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true middle class white guy, Hluthmere'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you heard incorrectly.  The black community hasn't really stopped white-hatin' since the civil rights excitement.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone has been stoking up the white supremacists, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they haven't.  The levels on all sides has been mostly constant since the civil rights movement.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those claiming otherwise are overlooking/hiding a lot of stuff, hoping to get you on their side.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'Idk know about that around here in the Midwest.. some white kids can go around saying 'ngga' right in front of black folks and get clean away with it. Of course, they don't mean it in offensive race terms.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's the whole point, dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hluthmere: 'with many white men flooding the hip-hop scene along with black men, many of the younger cultures have relinquished much aof racial based prejudices.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was always an American-specific thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it tells you a lot if nothing has changed, yet the media all of a sudden are peddling tales'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Probably stoking the fires over the Florida shooting.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But that was a Latino who shot a black kid, so it's not getting much traction.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It seems to have settled more on the stand your ground laws than anything else now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not "all of a sudden".  Blacks are actually starting to call other blacks racists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well maybe it's the natural conclusion of actual discrimination->countering of discrimination->political correctness'
T3/r6/2012-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those on one side are cultivating the seeds of what they're activising for, the others are crying foul and trying to come up with real solutions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The first cases of forced sterilisation were reported in 2005, by Gulbakhor Turaeva - a pathologist working in the city of Andijan who noticed that uteruses of young, healthy women were being brought to a mortuary where she worked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that sick or is it just the way i look at it, cause it looks evil from here'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds almost like something starling would joke about, except it's possibly real'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd believe it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when you have the incredible rhetoric against population growth etc., this is the next step imo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they don't seem to be very overpopulated though, and the low morality and value system used in the world today result in thoughtless reproduction'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually population growth is a concern there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's other ways they could have tackled the problem if they weren't premeditating killers'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it would require independence from the rest of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'killers? I shouldn't say killers, although I would say that I believe what they're doing is extremely immoral.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't thinking of only them'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'that sounds pretty hot. I wish I were the one removing them :{'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i watch the latest movies and cant curse enough... it seemes that the amateur-art is killing all the "serious" stuff. they got no nuts anymore. all that hollywood can do is copy old, do nothing new. the good b-movies are doomed - cant earn cash for the effort. there is no future for mainstream promotion. I rememember a big bad bunch of good old 90's movies but from 00's? just a handful. sad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the writers strike likely ruined the industry'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. ruined. they all ruined the industry. tiers ruined the industry.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'basically if an artform gets cheap enough.. the cheap gold-diggers take over.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prior to the writers strike, bad crap was able to be edited more readily out of the scripts; following the strike, the scripts were more likely to be bad and dark'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'googleing the strike now:0'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, notalent sexperverts uually write bad scripts  (note: sexperverion is not a "talent" when decent movie storylines are desired)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that said, what are the types of movies that seem to be proliferating as movies these days, and what are the gender preferences of those scripting that crap'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'pff.. i think bad jefe attacked by his employees.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of "romance" crap appearing as movies on satellite tv -- either the romance crap is cheaper to produce or being sold at a cheaper rate (and budget-conscious tv-stations like cheaper) or "romance" crap is simpler to script or (?)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the uprising is kind of popular theme now..'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'quite a lot of movies have it '
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that xxx-rated b-porn-movies do not provide much of a "plot" -- merely lots of inane gratuitous sex -- "romance" movies are similar in that inane gratuitous romance replaces the inane gratuitous sex'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i love Tiana Lynn... until he gargled some liquid'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'she.... SHE : )'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is also a lot of seeming "legal" plagiarism in plot complications -- scriptwriters copy from each other'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gresham's Law: "bad money drives out good money"  may also applie to the movie and tv industry: "bad scripts drive out (or flood out) the good scripts"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apply'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yup. the script search engine is broken. like google. or youtube.. or anything else nowadays. the good stuff is buried somewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rampant infiltration of the movie and tv industry by sex-perverts is resulting in scripts based on gratuitous sexperversion instead of "actual nonsexual talent"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"you want to be an actor these days, you must support sexpervesion"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Celebrity Roasts of the 20th century (clean nonsexual) are different to the Celebrity Roasts of the 21st century (blatant sexual innuendo and often disgusting)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christians presenting dubious and faulty arguments: "Unmasking the Pagan Christ" (Vison TV 21pm) '
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that as opposed to 21am?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is conciseness and extra redundancy with 21pm, since concise "pm" indicates that "21pm" is an hour'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so would "at 21 hours", the correct expression :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"21 hours" is not as concise as "21pm"'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously, but it does have the quality of being correct, not so with "21pm" :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides "21 hours" is a dishonest "liar" expression developped by the allias during WWII'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I suppose we should start preparing for the day when we live in a planet with a 48-hour rotation :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not so, Mexico, for instance, operates on a 24-hour clock, officially.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya operates on a 25 hour clock.
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'base 2's easier, but how do you describe twilight and dawn?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, base 16 is the easiest, it packs more data and it is equivalent to base 2.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with base 2 you have a 0 o clock and 1 o clock, so it's less hassle'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can work from 1 to 1 and have 0 time off'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do that now, anyway...'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, when the illiterate attempt to restrict base 10 to a string of one digit'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason we use base 10 is because he have 10 fingers. I am glad we don't have 11 :) Thoug 9's compliment is a very neat tool :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'real men count in hexidecimal'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's smart talk there'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Kanmuru Kirua, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'This mort I have a 1388 tnl :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thats' 1-easy-4 times 5 :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'oooo, this I didn't know, "The traditional Chinese units of weight were base-16. For example, one jin (approximately 256 grams) in the old system equals sixteen liang (16g). The Chinese abacus could be used to perform hexadecimal calculations."'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the abacus rocks!'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a book on advance abacus operations. The abacus beats the hell out of the slide ruler.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the way the abacus is set up is naturally logarithmic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, no one uses a slide ruler these days, anyway :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"24" was unbelievable, "Touch" is even worse'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/taste-testers-enlisted-sample-fish-exposed-scottish-gas-215136261.html I wonder if these guys know what mercury tastes like?'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is scottish gas laced with mercury'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'airborne mercury -- an interesting concept'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, I think you're thinking of the wrong kind of gas, Zade.  Nobody's going to willingly taste-test a whiskey fart.'
T3/r6/2012-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there are some types of fart that people are willing to taste test?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Three Stooges" (movie 2012) is a disgusting depraved "bust"  -- they cast a dirty old jewish-looking man as a catholic nun (wtg, insult the Catholics)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bob Brown :( RIP'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why bother erecting suicide barriers on reputed 'suicide bridges'?  If these people want to off themselves, I say let 'em.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the guy in Georgia that the state blew up because they wanted his land?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I didn't hear that one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they harassed him with all kinds of jumped up charges for years because they were rezoning his land up Agenda 21 green spaces'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually they sent county marshalls around to evict him and his house "blew up" with him in it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dangerous things those houses, they blow up at the drop of a hat'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the city officials have set up a wall of silence'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, a bartender I knew back when I was 18 got blown up due to a natural gas leak in his house.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guy didn't have gas'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Could have been something else flammable.  Propane, gasoline, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe the guy blew himself up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he did, he did it under duress'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he blew himself up it was a tragedy caused by tyranny, if he was blown up by the police, it's a murder by tyrannical governance'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you saying either of those is good?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hm, seems he didn't pay his mortgage.  Then he was illegally raising chickens.  Sounds like the authorities had solid legal grounds to evict him, since presumably the bank wanted to repossess the property.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy didn't have a mortgage and was legally allowed to have chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it sounds like he blew the house up himself, a typical case of "if I can't have it, nobody can!"  His own choice, and he paid with his life.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, this article says he was raising chickens in violation of ordinances against raising livestock in residential areas, and that he fell behind in mortgage payments while he was in prison.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh, he was put in prison because he fixed the culverts that the city failed to do resulting in his property flooding'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't subject to those ordinances as he wasn't part of residential before it was rezoned, he was protected by grandfather status'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe he shouldn't have tampered with city infrastructure'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mayor lent him a tractor to do the work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If he wasn't authorized to do the work, he wasn't authorized.  I doubt the mayor lent him the tractor in any official capacity.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound like the man'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, who says grandfather status even applied?  It often doesn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was systematically harassed over the course of ears'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did in this case, he won the case'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In any case, the eviction wasn't in reference to the chickens, it was in reference to the issue of foreclosure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, it was a damning edictment on the city'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you get behind on your mortgage, the bank doesn't just boot you out.  There are legal hoops they have to jump through.  If he had the money, why didn't he pay the overdue balance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll laugh when they come after you :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not to worry, DHS has set up "The Green Police"'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm guessing he didn't have the money, and that the bank had served with ample prior notice that eviction would result from failure to pay.  He didn't like it, so he threw a tantrum and blew himself up, again "if I can't have the house, nobody can!"'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their word against his, i guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe if he hadn't pissed his money away trying to defend his 'right' to raise chickens he could have paid his mortgage.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe if they hadn't harassed him because they wanted his property to redevelop, he would have been able to afford his mortgage'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't see it as harassment.  The city clearly had laws against chicken-raising, and it believed that its case against the man had merit.  Of course the city prosecutor pursued the case, that is his job.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nutjob blows himself up in a publicity stunt...it worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you now consider him a folk hero, publicity achieved'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it was obviously a meth lab accident.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The man chose to fight it and put himself in dire financial straits.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every case they brought was thrown out, this suggests they did not do so legitimately'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they had a case, he would not have been acquitted'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You do realize that if the city really wanted the land, they would have invoked eminent domain eventually, right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just could they could, doesn't make it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The city might not have had a case, but that had to be ruled by the court.  Prior to that, it was the city prosecutor's job to pursue a case that the city reasonably believed to have merit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least they're launching a campaign to impeach Obama now :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The man obviously had his priorities wrong in any case, why would you piss away money to raise some filthy chickens (no doubt to the detriment of everyone else) when you have a mortgage to pay?  Didn't he make the connection between "no money = no pay = bank gets mad = eviction" ?  Evidently not.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'raising chickens doesn't cost money'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chickens are not filthy and to the detriment of others'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Buying feed and whatnot doesn't cost money?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Chickens don't attract bugs, rodents, and other pests?  Really?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pay you abck in eggs and meat'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, chickens were quite to the detriment of most of his neighbors'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his neighbours don't agree'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maintenance of the coop, cleaning supplies, etc. don't cost money?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, chickens are NOISY.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many of his neighbors do agree...that's what started the city on the chickens...complaints about the chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cockerals are noisy, chickens are not'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're noisy and nasty smelling'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no worse than dogs or kids'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he had roosters crowing at all hours, not just chickens...we just call them chickens as a breed...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true townie'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've been around all 3, there's no contest'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in another case, I heard of this guy who was beaten to death under mysterious circumstances after digging for evidence of corruption by some judge...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people don't like the sounds of the countryside, they should stay in the city'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if he wanted to raise chickens, he shouldn't have lived there'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't the middle of a city, this rural'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it was suburban'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was rural rezoned suburban'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'suburban enough that he had plenty of neighbors living near enough to be bothered by his smelly loud chickens ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so didn't qualify as a good rural place to raise chickens'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll have to agree to disagree'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, but I'd have the law on my side in the disagreement ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Municipalities do have the right to rezone land, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Usually there are some people who aren't happy about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'usually -> always'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws are corrupted on a weekly basis these days to erode our rights'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And as for kids vs. chickens, that's a hard choice.  At least I could kill the chicken and eat it if it comes into my yard without permission.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was done for the rights of the population'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gotta also realize that this wasn't a farmer who'd had this chicken farm, where people had been living near him and knew to expect it...this was a guy who just decided a couple years ago to get some chickens...and then just kept adding to the numbers until it was rediculous'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or it could have been a farmer kept chickens who had people develop houses around him, and then complained about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it could have been...but it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're his neighbour, are you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he got a couple chickens in 2005'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and later added more, then goats & pigs'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you seem to think you know the situation, what all his neighbors think and how it went down...do you live in georgia now?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe he should have moved farther out into the country if he didn't like the town growing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, wait, he couldn't.  He pissed all his money away fighting the city in court.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or are you the only one who can look into it online, and everyone else isn't credible'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, other people can be credible, just not you'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's ok, nobody was injured or died as a result, were they?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, nobody was injured as a result'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As a result of the city's actions?  Nope.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As a result of the crazy chicken man's actions, fortunately no one else was harmed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but on the bright side, in Indiana you can now blow away a policeman who enters your property against your wishes without a warrant'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if only we had that law in the UK'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was at least responsible enough to call the news van to warn everyone to get the hell away from his property before blowing it up...(curious how you seem to be unsure whether he blew it up or the "invaders" did)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should have at least took some police with him'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wasn't his property ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how could he have a mortgage on the property if it wasn't his?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it used to be his'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, looking into this further, I find that a court did rule in favor of the chicken man, but that the decision was later overturned on appeal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, looks like the city prevailed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so he no longer had a mortgage on the property'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Starling.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, part of the "appeal/change rules/retry until we get the result we want" approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, no, the lower court was obviously mistaken in its ruling.  That's why appeals exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's nonsense to have a review mechanism in place to ensure that errors are corrected?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it works both ways'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Keep in mind that many civil liberties exist due to verdicts being overturned on appeal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they also get quashed for the same reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, civil liberties are a myth'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'wait, what?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your liberties exist purely at the whim of the ruling elite'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who don't understand issues shouldn't vote on them - yeah?  cattle-people, in a real democracy knowing how things are happening isn't the job of a select few public representatives'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being a politician or a lawyer shouldn't even be a job imo'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments exist to impoverish the population at large'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might not be what they're supposed to do, but it's what they do now'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'you should go find a copy of Entick v Carrington and read it Tigernuts.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most likely, these parties and stuff you can choose from aren't sufficient in a democracy either'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you elect them for a fixed period of time, anything short of a coup d'etat doesn't remove them from their duration, you vote into their party which works against you 99% of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if your local politician doesn't seem like such a bad guy but his boss in ottawa or washington is, then because you think he's not such a bad guy you gave your vote to his 'seat' which counts towards the seat of seats'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd best look at what Obama is doing to your constitutio'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all very shit i figure, like you figure they're all there to impoverish people'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here in the UK we don't have a constitution, so we're creeping towards a police state with no checks or balances'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and exploitation of ignorance, that's cattle-stuff, monkey see monkey do, go with the flow of who went with the flow before you'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and $10 a gallon gas :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right-wing politics is ignorance, left-wing politics wouldn't be as ignorant if people understood stuff, but understanding stuff is denied to most'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right/left wing is irrelevent, both are being controlled by globalists'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like when you hear the market masters and stuff on television telling you about what's really goin on, they hold back and they hide meanings behind all kinds of stuff, often not even saying anything you didn't already know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'today's politics globally acceptable are left-wing fronts/illusions to right-wing systems (ignorance and stuff like that)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like you gotta be a democratic government to be in the UN kind of thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Bilderberg group chose Obama, they rigged the republican elections to choose Romney'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard how sanatorum guy couldn't afford to keep on running against romney's bottomless funding'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from dailymail or something'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he couldn't, but also there was all kinds of voting irregularities and media skullduggery'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm from canada though, we hav ea charter of rights instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't even read it but it doesn't take much of a rocket scientist to see wrong when wrong's present'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's bothering me (whether or not they did their job more or less before) is the job cuts for the governments budget and who they sacrifice to their god to save their money (from taxpayers)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like border guards and stuff, public services, basic things all get the hammer instead of extravagant spendings'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like illegal wars?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if so then yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like full body scanners in airports that don't actually work?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and considering the G-summit, what do they need for that, actually -need-?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a building with some seats and tables in it, maybe a couple rooms on the side for private discussions'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for rent for 5 days'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could put that just about anywhere'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead they lock down toronto and charge the taxpayer over 1 billion dollars'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it all comes from ontario or toronto, but if not well, then that's where people see a problem'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadian government supposedly hired a wall-street financial advisor (with tax money) to advise the government on how to spend their tax money'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we don't need that or that, this all affecuts us creatly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canadian government policy is probably either heavily influenced by, or possibly even entirely controlled by wall street'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how crooked does it get?  absolute stupidity'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's certainly is'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's is via Europe'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't see any reason why if they're murderers going to send their hitmen sanctionists against countries who tell them to work for their money that they have any say in matters'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are they the blood of caesar or something like that?  squirting moses poles'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes no sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i have to work to get stuff in the world, then so should the earthly god of gods'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd tell that straight to his face too, through his line of bodyguards'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're the kind of people mussolini and hitler wanted to prevent from ruling the future, who knows?  it seems they're pretty all-pervasive today, even playing both sides in armed conflicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know that rockafella and kennedy families funded eugenics research in Germany prior to ww2?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that bothers people, shaping the characteristics of the enemy that world unites against based on what the characteristics of the surviving governments are'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by their actions today they make those two seem like questionable saints'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though they're possibly very evil people, only people who watched them directly know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you believe it, they're all the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, i believe to have power in this world you have to be a very evil person, possibly in service of satan himself directly, (or the worlds idea of god)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it just comes back to a textbook that world leaders have added to and learned from since the beginning of tyranny'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS has bought 650 million rounds of ammunition in the last year'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something brewing over there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they didn't miss so much that'd be nearly 1/7th of the world population, maybe 2/3 if they stack the kills in execution lines like they say they did in the movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rumour has it that they're planning on ending gun ownership and it's a precursor to that'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i didn't hear wrongly too, a JFK speech before becomming president promised to keep black people out of office'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or something similar, i could be wrong though - maybe a error of memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no world leaders in recent history strike me as being saint christ or something like that, not even close'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pittsburgh are to outlaw garage sales'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'speech was about religion and government separation'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he had valid reasons, i don't know, lots of racism around'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're getting a lot of antagonism between classes here in the UK, we don't really do race wars'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government have been stoking it up over austerity and unions and such'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'class-wars are usually diffused with racial allegations, and racism/religion are tools to take their minds off of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in just about every place where a peacemaking religion (like islam claims to be) is the king religion around, they find something else to hate eachother over every time'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'christians too, jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well any evil guy can abuse religion and twist it to their own ends'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not hard'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every place has it's wide margin between rich and poor though, except maybe nicaragua and some other 'rogue states', which seem to have politicians aiming at equalizing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was one near there anyways, maybe along the north coast of south america'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the false prophet has to assume power so that a sufficient number of rose petals can be thrown down before the Anti-Christ.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'took almost 90 years for islam to be twisted by muhammed's descendants'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, thing is with having a ultimate ruler anywhere who's say can veto the say of everybody elses, you're left to his flaw-collection, which is always present - and with more ignorance less people understand and more follow - making his flaws much easier to implement'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't agree with heads of state anywhere, unless states are alot smaller'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like cannabis legislation for instance, 49% say yes it's ok, 51% say no, that's a 2% margin of difference, nobody knowing how distributed the yay's and nay's came from, just the number they throw out that makes their decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't matter the numbers, they'd still say no'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll add in a 37% yes, 49% no, 12% grey area'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, cause there's a head of state'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and his little clique of advisors'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that serpent advising the king on lord of the rings'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corrupt advisors who work in wall street :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of waste of flesh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the former US drugs tzar who got busted for his part in a $2bn illegal drugs ring?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the thing about legalizing marijuana, though, is that the people who want that also don't want to pay taxes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit of a sweeping statement'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying all black people don't want to work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that all jews smell of wee'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't mind paying tax, they just don't like paying high taxes that aren't transparent or fair'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not really.  The margins are the same for each separate group, so it stands to reason that if most of America wants legal weed and most of America wants to pay less taxes then most of America wants lower-taxed legal marijuana.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you buy kippers it will not rain'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are describing a correlation of opinions, not causation'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should apply for a government job'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The establishment already has the economic precedent for highly-taxed carcinogenic product (ie, cigarettes), so if weed goes legal I don't really see it being priced/taxed any different.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, legalising drugs and taxing them according to their fiscal impact is a pragmatic approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'remember, it's all about the money, and the only reason cocaine is illegal is because the government decided to do something about not getting its "fair" share.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, it would be cheaper to legalise Heroine and give it to addicts free of charge and give them a 4star hotel room to live in than continue having it illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'assuming the UK heroine problem is at all similar to the Denmark heroine problem, then Denmark put that notion to bed in the '90s.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''notion'?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there was a short-term lack-of-a-heroin problem in Denmark when the government started handing out safe needles, but then the addicts figured out it was a cheap source of heroin and started telling all their friends.  Denmark had to shut down the program a few years later because it made their heroin problem worse.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did it do to crime rates?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they dropped during that short-term, but as the crackheads figured out how to work the system they went back to their old ways to get around limits.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'portugal is a good example'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'addiction rates didn't drop, since obviously supply was being handled by the government.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the reason you'd do it wouldn't be to reduce addiction rates, it'd be to reduce it's cost to society via crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal#Observations'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice that, at best, drugs use in Portugal didn't go through the roof'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they dind't mention the effect on crime'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no duh.  Denmark's thinking was along the lines of taking over and thus controlling the trade.  They didn't count on the cleverness of the addicts in getting what they wanted (ie, more drugs).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as a general rule, prohibition doesn't work'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, legalization cuts costs /and/ adds new sources of revenue. most pragmatic thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'very, VERY naive way of thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the weight of science and history sides with us here'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, drugs are too dangerous to be left to criminals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most dangerous drugs are alcohol and SSRI's'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both legal'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there will always be a market. we have a choice how to handle that. probation doesn't work nor has it ever worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what kind of limits are included in your proposal?  Or are you planning on your operation forcing addiction rates upwards?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no evidence to suggest it would force addiction rates upwards'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody would be forcing anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dokkar, seriously, read some research papers on legalization'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i would start by decriminalising the taking/possession of drugs, and legalise the selling of the less dangerous ones in licensed premises'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, crippling the black market would be very, very easy'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe sell coke/heroine on license to addicts'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, those cartels are real pushovers.  They won't try to protect their investments by blowing up the legal venues or running off the customers.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'allow small amounts and non-profit distribution for interested individuals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. because that's what totally happened in the netherlands'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh right, Dokkar, so we shouldn't do the right thing incase some bad guys blow us up'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. dokkar is a fuckwit and i'm afk'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coffee time :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no reason to debate with a person who knows dick about the debated issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after providing enough legitimate employment opportunities (which there is plenty of places for, after the external definition of money is revoked) for people to live productive lives if they choose, and providing the support to communities if they want to defend that in the form of military etc or just police, then if they got problems with legalization of stuff they'd be toeing a deadly line'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise there'll always be resistance to whatever can make money, because there's no other way to get it and everything costs it'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see differences between most criminals and real criminals'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, I'm saying that the cartels are used to their high-profile lifestyles that grew out of protection rackets and taxfree operations.  If you include those people in the process (however politically suicidal that might be), they'll be negotiating terms like spoiled super-celebrity ballplayers.  If you exclude them, they get mad and a new front in the War on Terror comes to the fore (well, depending on when this all goes down; I suppose the mexican bloodbaths will inevitably spread northward).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least your war will be against the bad guys for once'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'women can be bad people too'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'maybe.  The cartels already have a bunch of the good guys on their payroll.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they're in government'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar does it pay well being a corrupt cop?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if there's a problem to fix and people are already killing eachother over problems 10000 miles away then why isn't it being fixed?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not really.  You have to not only do what your employer says (or else!) but you're expected to anticipate what not to do and figure out how to un-inconvenience yourself in the process.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's strange if the corruption doesn't come from the administrative office'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn, so it'd be better to be an astronaut?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending on the individual nature of each part of the problem, teaching people to be wise is nearly impossible though'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'on top of that, it's nonstop political war.  Heaven help you if you offended the wrong person, because these aren't exactly the sue-your-pants-off types of people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar, most mexican cartel men's mothers are fat mexican chicks'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing to avoid with 'cracking down' type of operations is things like the holocaust'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and khmer rouge'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the easiest such people will just blow your head off or maybe horribly maim your family and friends.  The worst ones will whisper lies about you to the bosses, in the hope that the bosses figure they have to step in and take care of business.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monitoring the commanders of people is a must, otherwise they work their flaws into the process'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and then there are the insane types, who just don't care what they do to the family and will go after you even if it means the family declares war on them and theirs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fear of death is counter productive when it comes to social issues, there's no human on earth who's so inhuman he's never going to die for instance and if he causes 10 billion people to die over the course of the next 500 years then he's a pretty negative thing to fear'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people say hate comes from fear, but it's also a consequence of injustice, and hate is productive in that sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's about being wise again, most people vigilante without much thought about it and things like that, people got to snap out of their herd-mentality sooner or later, otherwise they'll never overcome the problems of priority today'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if your herd (race, group) isn't a master-herd it's a slave-herd, and that's the way it'll remain forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in ever degrading conditions, only 'acts of god' like in the bible jehovah sends israel to babylon's worshippers cause they're the better of the two and what goes around comes around'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't got much faith in those things being initiated with ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a job of fathers to provide for their families, and that's done by being a slave to the fathers of others families who can replace you at will and you and your family are lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sealed like the moses tables isn't it, lets see the wealthy fall and their children work for a living'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's against the inner-pride and self-worth of your self to work for them, but you do it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's my lesson on homopsychiatry for the day'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it seems that you're clueless on every topic'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This show is fucking disgusting, talking about test tube babies.  That crap should be illegal.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"Hey, we can't conceive, our biology is trying to tell us something!"  Instead of listening, they turn to this IVF bullshit.  No wonder the human race is devolving.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the baby part should be illegal, or the test tube part?  With you, well, it might be an important distinction.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'of course, you're assuming that the human race is the end game.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, designer IVF babies, now with applicator!'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'WORSE, instead of just settling for a run of the mill frankenloaf, they want a CUSTOM DESIGNER frankenloaf.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love humanity's sense of humor. They are determined to destroy the echo-system, but balk at genetic engineering :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And breeders have the gall to call childfree selfish.  Bullshit.  The exact opposite is true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Meanwhile, they never even consider adopting a kid that is already here, because they want One Of Our Own(tm).'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fucking selfish pigs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you haven't seen nothing yet.  Wait until they start popping out with green hair or permanent tattoos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't mind a few cpu's implanted here and there :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't need to have a kid for that, though.  You can incur all the debt you want just from elective surgery for that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But that wouldn't be the same, Dokkar'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They need their Custom Designer Holy Golden Frankenloaf because damn it, nothing is more important than farting out kids, even if the kids' genes are completely defective.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Then the dumb breeder pigs wonder why they wind up with a little Tardlina.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And then the tax payers get to foot the bill for Tardlina's special ed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There should be a way to opt out of having to pay for this kind of crap, along with welfare for breeder whores and other trash folk.  No way I'd let a single dollar of mine go towards any of that if I had any control over it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I already refuse to donate to any sort of 'children' charities (really breeder welfare whore charities), but I want to take it a step farther.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the way to avoid in the future any special ed humans, is to make sure they don't breed. At least, that's how it worked for millions of years before we decided to fix what wasn't broken.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But Anaristos, farting out a loaf is a RIGHT, haven't you heard??? It doesn't matter if you genes are completely fucked up and should be weeded out of the population, you have a right to SHIT THAT FRANKENLOAF.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't make sense to me that the fundies and similar types want to wage a holy roller war on abortion, but they have no objection to playing God and creating life that, by all rights, was not meant to exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'star, what about just cloning the rich.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that'd make more sense that encouraging the lower and middle class to exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what I meant by fixing what wasn't broken, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it's not supposed to make sense, starling.  it's supposed to make dollars.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they are 'fixing' what IS broken.  Except they aren't really fixing it, they're allowing defective and unworthy genes to propagate.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, to change the subject, what kind of Scotch whisky do you all like?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Glenfiddich'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I like the Islay and Islay-style whiskies.  Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Lagavulin, Talisker'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can accept that with no problem :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am partial to Laphroaig also, but prefer Glenfiddich :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'pretty much anything 15 yrs or older, generally single malts, but there's not much wrong with johnny walker blue.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I really wanted to get the Laphroaig 18 year tonight, but at 100 bucks a bottle, ouch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Martini & Tyebald, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'macallan (sp?) 15yr. is a favorite.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, Johnnie blue is overrated'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think Johnnie Green is better, honestly'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'springbank's tasty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Too bad Johnnie Green is being discontinued :('
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'green....I'm unfamiliar.  red, black, gold, blue....how old is the green?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The Green Label is aged 15 years'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a blend of single malts only, mainly Talisker, Cragganmore, Linkwood, and Caol Ila'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I'll have to look for a bottle.  I have a friend in distribution.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's a really good blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'my aunt is a staunch fan of laphroig.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a bad choice :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I get a little too much medicine off it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I tried the Talisker after trying Green, and you can definitely pick out Talisker's contribution to the Green Label blend.  Both quite nice.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you tried Glenfiddich?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, Glenfiddich is alright, but I've only tried the 12 year old variety.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I wouldn't kick glenfiddich out of bed.  I like it better than glenmorangie.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it comes in 18y too'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I picked up my first bottle of Laphroaig on a whim, had no idea what it would be like.  Tried it and was in love with it :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can't hardly go wrong with single malts :) Though I wouldn't kick out a good blend out of bed :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'come to think of it, I have some balvenie samplers I should try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Admittedly it has been a while since I've had Glenfiddich.  I don't ever recall NOT liking it, will have to re-vist'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 're-visit, even'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm drinking a $20 bottle of Teacher's Highland Cream right now, it's surprisingly good.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I have a full bottle of the glenfiddich 18 behind me.  but I think the evening's storm calls for a new scotch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'someone gave me a bottle of the 18y 6 years ago for my birthday. Haven't opened it yet :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'FYI, scotch doesn't improve or age in the bottle, unlike wines'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true enough but the idea is compelling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am just looking for good company, that's why I've left it sealed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no toga party for that bottle.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'tonight's selection looks like it will be the balvenie 21 yr, port wood.  I'm generally not a huge fan of the port woods.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, and if you open it, you have to finish it sooner rather than later, oxygen is no friend of whisky'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, so enough company is required so that someone doesn't drink enough that their system might reject it :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'man....this is a damn sight better than the glenmorangie.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aha, you tried it!'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'yes.  this will work nicely.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How would you describe it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'well, tough to say.  not really my strong point, but I'll give it a whirl.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'd rather have a nice irish type -b'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'doesn't have the sharpness of the 18s.  dunno about you, but I find the 18s pick up an "edge".'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'with the glenmorangie, seemed like the port took over the flavor.  this is much smoother.  almost like a wine-flavored scotch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dry or sweet wine?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '(I go for dry reds)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'this would be more like a dry red.  like chewing on the dregs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Interesting'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'but no bitterness.  I'd assume actually chewing on the dregs would be unpleasant. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'How much did that bottle cost, if you don't mind my asking'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'well, this was just a sampler.  got a 12, 15, and this 21 in the box.  fiance buys those, and then I pick my favorites.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'sampler runs something like $15, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm pleased with this Teacher's Highland Cream'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's apparently 45+ percent malt whisky, which I guess is a lot for a blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ardmore and Glenmorangie are the principal single malts... I haven't had either of them on their own, apparently they're nothing to write home about but when blended they seem to work well.  Pretty smooth too, considering the price point'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sort of a poor man's Johnnie Walker Green, the flavor is very similar.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'that green is definitely one I want to try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried asking mimir already, but does anyone else remember in the bible where rachel's dad made jacob swear before his household gods? '
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I remember Rachel pimping Jacob on her maid :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos no no that wasnt jacob.... that was sarah.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos jacob was the dude that made soup .'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not Sarah. It was Jacob. That's how Benjamin was born.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like, the original soup nazi.... he handed out the law to the entire nation of israel remember'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rachel had becom barren'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos um, i thought it was that old dude and sarah that wanted a kid.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you sure? i thought it was abraham that did it with the maid'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of people in the bible wanted kids. That was their favorite sport :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah. '
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, Abraham pimped his wife to Nabukodonosor'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos its a shame that back then they didnt have the sacrament of marriage and had to take more than one woman to bed =('
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos really? but in the movie it was a pharoah , not a babylonian king'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i thought nebuchadnezzar hung with daniel.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Yes, I know what you mean. I would have suffered immensely had I lived under such laws :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the fact is that women were not very highly regarded during biblical times.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos then again, divorce wasn't a sin back then'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos they're still not, in order for women to get ahead, they still have to become sex objects.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true enough, but I don't think that nowadays a man would throw a woman into a crowd hoping that they would leave him alone. Escaping from the crowd would not actually save his skin :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'They certainly had different "morals" back then. Take the daughters of Lot, after they lost their mother, while fleeing from the fire, they got their father drunk and seduced him :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'knowing how to run 3 miles would. mobs always have been very much lazy, ignorant, and prone to defending only territorial zones'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmmn. lag...'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, this instance, there was no room to run, they were in a house, and the crowd was outside :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos women today still do the same thing... whatever gets them the most status and money. what do you contend has changed'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, here is the reference: Judges 19:10-30'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos sorry, i dont like judges, too much idolatry.'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'besides, wine back then usually contained animal blood, dont ya know'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it never occurred to me that it did :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tch. going through eternity with your eyes wide shut eh'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that a quote?'
T3/r6/2012-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'doubtful.'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Merriam-Webster also upholds the fantasy that "hopefully, it will rain" is a grammatically correct exprssion, Starling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(from tech) "a full-reboot every-session or only on: new-plugin or new-bast-update or any-update" -- chronic ambiguity is a form of illiteracy, or indications of a corrupt jurisprudence and corrupt rulers (prior or current)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"a drunk sailor" is a possibly active rowdy sailor; "a drunken sailor" is more likely to describe an inactive near-comotose sailor; thus "drunken" is more inebriated than "drunk"'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the above connotations may spring from:  "drunk" is (seemingly) transitive active (rowdy); "drunken" is seemingly intransitive inactive (comotose)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'do not let the illiterate esl foreigners with a crappy dictionary ruin the varied language of text descriptions. (there is more to a language than what is in an incomplete dictionary)'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a Larousse French-English dictionary (isbn 2-03-451201-4) contains mistakes on the English side'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(that is what happens when the french use esl or illiterates to proofread the english side of a French-English dictionary -- illiterate mistakes))'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to verb (v) to verbify, to use a nonverb as a verb'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to adjective (v) to adjectify, to use a nonadjective as an adjective'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'verbing weirds language.'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'H P Lovecraft was "drunken" with innovation'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"words mean what i pay them to mean" - Humpty Dumpty'
T3/r6/2012-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Lewis Carroll predated H P Lovecraft'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Obama will win, and our civil liberties will continue to go down the toilet, just like if we vote for Romney'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, vote for someone else then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, sure, we want the republicans so that they can implement the SMART ID :) Then we won't to worry about our waning civil liberties because we won't have any :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'moron'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We all conform to a beaureacratic pile of sh!t. We're all the fools, Republican or Democratic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point, it doesn't matter who takes office, civil liberties are a passing fad.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you tried boarding a plane lately?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it matters.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos, how does it feel to get your ass publicly kicked on the typos board?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and let's not forget Guantanamo :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sweetheart, it didn't bother me at all. For one thing, I didn't know that it was a competition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It didn't bother you at all?  Is that why you sent my spouse a vitriol-laden tell, and told me to pour acid in my cunt?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I sent him that simply because I don't like him.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't believe you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry I said that to you, Starling. Truly, I am.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What you have to realize is that a loss of civil liberties is a consequence of the US foreign politics. If you want change, you need to stop fighting wars all over the world and try to be nice to people, otherwise you will get terrorism and loss of freedom. It's just the way the world works.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a nice theory, Ranarr. But no government, has ever given back anything they have taken away from the people. Even if the US stops the wars, they won't roll back the policies that deteriorate civil liberties.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will stick their fingers in you each time you board a plane, they will continue to listen to your phone conversations, they will try to implement ways to track you, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, if you elect the same government. Don't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the person in the office won't matter.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Change is possible. Just look at the roman empire.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you think your civil liberties are they way they are now because of Obama, you have a very short memory.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was Bush who implemented Homeland security, which is the seed to the US branch of the KGB :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it was Bush who implemented the legal fiction called "domestic terrorist". A very effective way to wipe out your civil rights. And it was during Nixon's admin that the RICO act was enacted. Another way to wipe your civil rights away.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say the the democrats won't screw you, but the point is that they will all screw you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, during the Clinton admin a law was passed making it illegal to have encryption keys that the government couldn't break.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read the US Cryptography Policy of 1996.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh for fuck's sake, this "autism speaks" commercial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'AWWWWWWTIZUM does NOT EXIST'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scientists claim margarine can make you angry'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and nauseous, too :) '
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you doing to prepare for the fall of society?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'still enjoying its summer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoying the summer in April?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'don't impose your neo fascist seasonist platitudes on me!'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it moral to apply for government funded housing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it fair judgement to scale politicians housing allowances with costs of living but leave social assistance plans and minimum wage static?'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it costs a million billions to rent a house per month in town then they're set but millions of people are sewer rats'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not too shy about fuckin around, 45,000 dollar baseball trips and 90,000 dollar helicopter rides'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all neccessary expenses like a 20 billion dollar g-meeting'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with corporate tax cuts getting the neccessary campaign funding through side projects and stuff, is bailing out privately owned companies and banks a surefire way to make more money?  here's some tax money to bail you out and some tax cuts to make sure that you're making it back by paying it back'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, job employments and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why not disintegrate them and make some new ones?  smaller so there's less cons to slay'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so americanada opposessed southcentral american desire to legalize and legislate drugs to combat their profit margin driving the highest homicide rates in the world, while they're concerned mostly about selling canada like a whore to foreign pimps, the slot machines to foreign casino's'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, who gets the most money down there isn't linked to the highest murder rates investing in canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smart americanadadian politicians so loyal patriots'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and streamlining the environmental disaster prevention consideration process to give less hinderance to the people who turn it into a tarball'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'politicians can campaign on that stuff, the honest age of corruption call it, we're not two faced, we're just backwards'
T3/r6/2012-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with all the laws they break daily, i wonder how many laws have any right to exist'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how would increasing tax for the higher income earners and distributing 100% of the increased revenue affect inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'distributing the extra revenue to the poor in the form of handouts i meant'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, if the poor are getting a handout, why should I as an employer give them raises or benefits?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'same reason you'd ever give them raises or benefits: to hold on to talented employees in a competitive market.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i expect income to be sticky anyway, but any effects on inflation you guys think?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'or, you can hope they don't leave.  those are your two choices.  has nothing to do with other sources of income.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'employers drserve to b taxed at a far higher rate when depending on the government giving out handouts to supplement the income of the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'employers deserve to be taxed at a far higher rate when depending on the government giving out handouts to supplement the income of the poor employees'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: '"deserve"? "higher"?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most workers are not that valuable, actually, and in today's market the measurement of "valuable" has changed significantly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and maybe some jail-time for cruel greedy heartless employers'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'which doesn't change the motivation behind giving raises.  choosing to see your employees as interchangeable cogs is a business decision.  some businesses are successful adopting that model, others aren't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, having a degree is actually a bit of a hindrance because all your employer is going to see (barring a real need for an improvement in the quality of their employee rolls) is extra dollar-signs.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'no comments on inflation eh...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything is tied to everything else.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if raises were given for merit rather than for longevity...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inflaTion is caused by greedy businesses raising prices'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, no it's not'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'there are other factors like the increase of money supply'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heheh, yes, is, a fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i know there will be inflation if the goverment gives out a bunch of money, but what happens if they also increase taxes by the same amount'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we stop spending'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'relative to the level of increase, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i was hoping not to bring in MPC or MPS, but say there's only two people in the whole country, you taxed one $100 more and give the other $100 for free'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'does any of this affect inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are plenty of monies -- but the rich (and businesses) are siphoning and storing those monies while refusing to pay proper wages and taxes'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sure.  The one you take the money from stops working, hoping to become the next guy you give the next $100 to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'if the taxed guy was the owner of the business and the other guy his sole employee?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of medicine is high because extortion is involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the banks were bailed out because extortion was involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i don't see how this is related to inflation'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of legal fees is high because desperation and extortion is involved'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'and the original quesyion'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'inflation is not external to the rest of the economy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'what do you mean Dokkar?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would expect a small increase in inflation, since velocity of money is lower for higher income people on average'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anything that affects the production sector of your economy will impact the consumption sector as well.  Taxes go up, the producers will start to save more and spend less.  With them spending less, the consumers earn less and therefore cannot spend as much as they too have to follow the same rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'ah, thanks Sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another way to think about it is that a transfer from high to low income groups has a stimulatory effect'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in a nutshell: rich people save more per dollar of income than poor people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'we're saying that the mps for higher income groups are higher then the lower income groups eh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'got it'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mps == miles per second  '
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'though in the past, that "saved" money was supposed to be redistributed into investments via bank lending.  but then they screwed up the liquidity of the markets, so we're dealing with the backlash of the recalibration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'marginal propensity to save here'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you are going to shift a significant amount of funds around, you aren't going to see better results without outright forgetting about the existing debt that saddles most of your base.  If you don't, then the lower-income folk are really just "wasting" the windfall on debt reduction and not actually improving their buying power much/at all.  This puts government in a position where it thinks it has to artificially stimulate the economy (since the perception is that we're not spending by choice)'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'according to some theories it "shouldn't" make a difference because of lending, but in reality deposits aren't instantly lent.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'agreed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'which is why most economists really need to get out more. :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where are all thse trillions of dollars sitting, and what are they doing'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's important is how long that dollar takes on average to get spent on a final good or service, and there's definitely a difference between poor and rich there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one day it might actually make economic sense to raise rates (inflate), and when that day comes lots of people are going to become screwed.  At best, they'll simply not be able to buy stuff.  At worst, we go through a smaller version of the 2008 meltdown as %60 of the economy finds themselves underwater again.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I like to think of progressive taxation as taking oil from places in the economic machine that has plenty, and putting it where there's too little'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if those trillions of dollars are sitting expecting to earn high interest, than that is a big parasitic load on the system'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raising rates is anti-inflationary'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'if you raise rates you don't get more inflation'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but lower inflation is worse for debt holders, if that's what you were trying to say...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'debtors, I mean'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'lower inflation is bad for borrowers'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're being kept in safe reserves because the great economic thinkers still think something bad is going to happen that might leave everyone in the lurch again.  Not necessarily in such a degree as the meltdown, but enough that enough profitability goes out the window to knock lots of employers out of position for growth.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'low rates are good for deleveraging, since it tends to be inflationary'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kanmuru Kirua is agreeing with that Sonshi person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the current "derivatives" system, the trillions of dollars are likely earning from virtual derivatives, adding extra layers of interest expectation -- somewhere at the base of the derivatives economy, some production is being done .. maybe.  And that ?actual? production also wants a return on investment  -- but with derivatives upon derivatives upon derivatives, the interest return expectation is extremely usorious parasitic'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Ooh, calculus.'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'low rates are also good for employment rates most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'raising rates in a situation like this is somewat amusing... you wind up paying more interest, you get inflation even more below target, the economy takes a hit...'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the derivatives upon derivatives economy is screwing the actual economy'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'tulipmania all over again'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the market would fight you every step of the way, since what it really wants to do is to push rates as far down as it can'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad example, Dokkar '
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with scant yields elsewhere, piling into govt bonds and the like is pretty popular'
T3/r6/2012-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how ingrained in american government is the bohemian grove and other occult societies?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, any thoughts on the breivik trial so far?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you guys think of national socialism?  is it evil cause of the perfection of the flesh generalized human adequacy factor, or is that present in just about everywhere in the world today without whatever good points it has?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems they have some fair idea's, like dismantling large private industry and giving everybody a fair chance, but racism and things was added to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't separate the physical aspects of national socialism from the abstract'sk, as you see they refer to it as nazi and with nazi genocide comes to mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you look through what it's about it's not all racially motivated or about physical perfection'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with russia's crimes moving into poland before the war started numbering in the 20 millions of civilian homicides, it's questionable whether the nazi genocides were the sole reason tehy went to war'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead the seizure of foreign investment and independence of germany'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this can be seen today in the news, where argentina is nationalizing it's oil industries and spain is discussing with colombia and mexico about it, because that's one of its oil revenues'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're going to attempt to make wars by proxy'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't care much about human rights in any governments around, or justice, just saying that's what makes people who think that think it's a valid thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there is more than racism and perfection therein to national socialism'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's all they say it's about, while ignoring the parts of it that they worldwide oppose to this day that aren't anything to do with corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe there's other systems beyond national socialism that do the same thing without racism that they can refer to, but then it'd probably be present somewhere right?  and we see what a similar presence results in argentina from the news'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '<negatives> <virtues> we'll defend against the latter with the former, and that's what they do'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of separating the politics that are not ordering you to kill people out of racial or other bias from the ones that are and trying to explain why they came to that conclusion and what they could have done differently'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then people who think things should be different who try to identify with a enemy that the world united against, the world that currently exists and they hate, they would have different points to consider instead of the big whole'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well i think the world sucks but i don't like being racist, but it says here that you have to be racist to be against what it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what drives poverty's youth in russia to nazi groups who do hate crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their leaders say this is what the enemy of this trash that made you poor did, so lets do the same'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but weighing the odds it appears that the hate-crimes they do aren't even what started the war in the first place, but they were a contributing factor that people thought about, instead it was, like argentina's spanish enemy, a front for the sheriff who wants his free money'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, since the information of the reality that caused the war, a political philosophy versus a genocide, isn't taught separate from the murder that was added to it, people don't have much of a choice'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was genocide, then holodomor and great purge moving into poland would have resulted in a war beforeo the nazi's started genocide'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's russia reportedly murdering over 20 million people through starvation and brutality'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to some people it's even possible that the whole thing was an elaborate propaganda campaign by america and russia, who perpetrated the results themselves'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'anyone ever hear of space elevators?'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'i hope we get to see them in our lifetime'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that won't be possible until we clean up the space junk AND figure out a way to deflect anything left up there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything up there's travelling at like 1100mph or something stupidly fast like that, so even a single quarter-inch ball bearing would rip through you like a .50-caliber bullet.'
T3/r6/2012-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'and then ud be a 1100 mph puddle '
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about 15-17 years ago a white guy about 13 miles from here killed his wife by driving a car through the front of his house and doing something then burning it down, stashing evidence in his tractor - whatever she did (most likely adultery) that cause him to do it, he got 25+ years in prison from what i remember , http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/17/ethnicity-killings-provocation-shafia.html here's muslims in canada claiming that because they're muslims they get harsher sentences than non-muslims for their honour killings, but i don't hear of as many regular killings of people compared to honour killings in the news, and usually those ones don't use their holy-writ as a guideline to their actions'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why are they saying what's not is, are they trying to streamline the honor murder killings process like everything else using their faith as a ticket to commit crimes with impunity, or is it something else?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'honour killings aren't specific for muslims, and proper Islam does not support it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was king kong of canada i would probably be asking these questions with the evident evidence, and possibly considering who's trying to change the laws based on their religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so it's a branch of it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only muslims who follow a corrupted branch of Sharia condone it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh invokes "No True Scotsman"...
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing that i considered was that, possibly, the people getting killed in some of these situations were thought untrustworthy by their families of religious-extremists and killed so they couldn't talk of their groups plans'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you'll also see honour killings in other faiths, most commonly Sikhs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which could be used to reason out why they'd want the criminals to spend less time in prison as a faith-group'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since they're so loyal and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they look into those possibilities though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that kind of activities they do don't seem like something they couldn't have done back where they migrated from'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never had kids of my own, but i killed things before (not people), and i wonder just what it takes for somebody to consume any amount of drugs or alcohol to kill somebody, what kind of religion could do it while sober?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video of a 5-7 year old kid chanting verses from the book, i'm not sure if he even understood what he chanted but he chanted it, maybe he does'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm no immigration officer, but i imagine if i was going to move into china or britain i'd have to pass some character examination tests, and how could they have passed them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them don't even speak english, and 10 years later they still don't'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'would you please recite the quran backwards for the court to show that you aren't crazy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't go there, that's the ultimate of ultimates'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Amen all you with be Christ Jesus Lord our of grace the!'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism those things there aren't all bad, but unconditional equality of opportunity (with the racism was bad, and treatment of those it considered inferior), if they would have let people do according to their means (stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent ) then if you're a poor genius you'd still be able to succeed in the world, if those racisms and stuff weren't there and judgement of imperfect people onto yourself - each according to their ability, cause everybody can be useful.  --  but if it's like they say then it deteriorated into the same thing people hate today, they reject the virtues that gave their movement life actively in the current world and claim that the negatives were all the were about (which might have been the cas'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'e with some of them'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i notice that spain claims to have a socialist party, and also a 24% unemployment rate, and plenty of big businesses, which goes against the parts of that socialism there that weren't all negative'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism doesn't exist outside of north korea'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that communism?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're largely the same thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could be right, they sure looked strange on a documentary i watched'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their merit systems and stuff, they do pamper some of their members'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately socialism is not compatible with capitalism'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things could be done differently is what i'm saying, as long as they're open to being changed for the better - i don't think the nazi's would have gotten very far at all if they had absolutely no virtues '
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but we'll work hard to try to make it fit :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're headed for global tyranny'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's true that in history they talk of armies of mercenaries who don't want to do anything but rob and steal have been successful though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are being routinely bypassed now'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to pay for socialism without capitalism, and capitalism without enough socialism will fall apart eventually. The fates of both lie in the same direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, failure'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'differing political ideologies didn't insulate european countries from being effectively annexed by global bankers'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, in the bible it does say that 'it is more profitable that one should die so that many can live', in capitalism they worship the one and many die, in a fair-er kind of socialism there'd be no untouchable member of society that causes mass-death for his own wealth, because the opportunity to be equalled by several others who could do his work would be present'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you've got liberties being eroded and governments preparing for trouble'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it is sort of superior in that way, i think'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is superior'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either in terms of morality or efficacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't acknowledge the authority of global bankers over real countries'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already fact'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me money's a tool for slaves managed by the government, and only real-things are what's traded between countries'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the management was given to your global bankers'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'argentina's sort of telling global bankers to shove off, so spain's talking to colombia and mexico about argentina cause argentina was one of it's revenue's, maybe gonna try to make war covertly or actively because their free money is missing (they nationalize oil, cause it's seen as a critical resource, using the money owing to clean up the messy companies mess)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that about argentina'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, not entirely convinced on that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17740393 this one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i read it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just unsure of the behind the scenes stuff'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i can see the con possibilities about it too if that's whaty ou see'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh agrees!
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the way they put it resembles tellin them to shove off'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bugger all spain can do about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's behind it will be illuminated by how it pans out'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing strange about the wikipedia article on the nazi's, is that they say they changed that more benevolent and sense-making 1930's campaign to anti-semitism and removing it's boundaries around the 1940's to get the support of multinational? industrialists'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you've got hitler slipping into syphalis-induced madness'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before then it doesn't seem to indicate their extreme racism and things were much of a problem - so who were these multinational industries who told them to change their beliefs afterwards?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism just reading it it seems that there was some external force at work there'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Mostly old guildsmen, industrialists, and anti-integration monarchs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are movements going on from the late 19th century that could explain the shift'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also were at work in the US'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you ended up with the federal reserve'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Remember that the previous generation was still kicking around and still heavily anti-integrational/anti-true-socialist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, as you know, (or maybe not) is essentially a privately owned bank'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Russia had a similar problem with the Whites and Decemberists vs the Reds'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's a real shame, true nationalism/fascism was meant to be highly inclusive not exclusive, calling all to a single banner and so forth, but industrialists and artists (ie futurists) and postmodern ecologists got everyone worked into a frenzy over eugenics and jews.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the eugenics is still going on'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill gates is making sure of that'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the drugs companies'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and Jobs, too.  His cancerous demise was media spin, to cover up the assassination.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to see why the establishment would have wanted him dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read a 1917 ? supposed interview between an american serviceman and lenin from russia from a university website, and it seemed like lenin had some fair idea's for his people, transparency in business and things like that, but he was forced to change his philosophy because he didn't have enough russian professionals able to manage some businesses in his country and america was against his ideas'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unelss he wasn't on the inside'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I have high hopes that the more modernist nationalists will return to their 1700s roots however as that generation finally begins dying out. I am roughly 85% behind the DVU because they're beginning to dissociate themselves from the wacko thugs (who are too dumb to realise they are the new SA and will probably wind up the same way)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, if that's how it is then there's a external force challenging whatever virtues a politician has 20 years earlier'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is the dvu?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they didn't.  But it looks bad when your golden boy gets taken out from under you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Deutsche Volksunion'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, germany, where being nationalist is illegal'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting like that in UK and USA too'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yeah, funny that. Considering they are the youngest of the recognised nations technically.  (as in actually being united)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ridiculous attack on freedom of speech/thought. If they can't defeat an idea by debating it, then they've already lost the argument'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'essentially any sound bites you see come from them that are antisemitic are only to win seats in poor broke-ass districts now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis a power grab, crush descent'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the world makes a stink about it but it's actually not that different than normally moderate/progressive american republicans ranting about gays and california when they visit the south, which gets a free pass 'because it's our religion!''
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you realise that the anti-gay stuff and racist stuff in america is all being inflamed by the government...'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing is happening in the UK, except it's class warfare rather than race'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/18/pol-kenney-entrepreneurs-start-up.html if canadian's have idea's they often can't pursue them though, this is the kind of 'streamlined betrayal' that's becomming normal in canada, how some people see it around the world in their own countries anyway, importing people to do work while politicians claim to be creating job opportunities for people already here with their next move - instead of lowering education costs and investing in it's own people's ability to pursue them'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in my opinion people already in a place should have the pick of the job's'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '17-34 million dollars sent to wall street to tell canada how to spend it's budget for the year for instance, that's several professional's trained in a canadian university'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd heard about that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only after realizing that people don't do the work cause they're lazy and don't want to should immigration for the purpose of doing work that nobody else would do be considered, normal immigration and stuff is fine though'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Debate channel would be better if there was a forum for it ; in this way discussions wouldn't rely on "who's online"(timezones)'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just join infowars.com instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'aren't discussion boards plagued by trolls/spammers?'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not always'
T3/r6/2012-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'will do then...'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ally-channels may work if there were many separate Ally-channels (each clan sources an Ally channel, and invites others), each a full equivalence-set -- then "diplomatic" conversation requires knowing to not leak secrets onto the wrong Ally channel ... Aardwolf IRC'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'That's all you need is to be sharing pictures of the other guild leader's giant fat ass you found by jailbreaking his phone and paste them in a message to his guild!'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'also in regards to luminas note... lasher isnt a feture so your pick is invalid >_>'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I love how racism can be celebrated in America and NOBODY gets mad about it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the REAL American dream, being able to usurp bad ideas and turn them into great ones.'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not the gear i got from him, some were ok but not all max dr at least'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing big deal, just askin if any were willing'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is the best movie for xping?'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'music is better'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure about movies, but marduk has a song called the levelling dust that i like'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i'd go crazy listening to music and xping the same time'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'dumb documentaries from History channel are the best.. mix well'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Porn is the source of all technological innovation. Discuss.'
T3/r6/2012-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sex and greed more like but close '
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, quiet channel toady'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i disagree'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is your right, though that view wouldn't agree with scientific evidence'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i think the bright yellow and red makes the channel LOUD'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeing more organised civil disobedience in the UK'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'what are they protesting?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I noticed occupy Edinburgh isn't around anymore. :('
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'occupy movements never tend to work as people need to eat'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yeah, Edinburgh didn't have near the infrastructure they do in the states.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they work if someone supplies them.  Without infrastructure, any movement is doomed to fail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i kinda would like the NWO to have their gigantic war'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'well also they weren't fighting anything real, so there was nothing to feed the flame'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, that's just not true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the entire Occupy nation fails to realize this, and historically they've not been able to accomplish much.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will flare first, israel vs iran, india vs china, or china vs russia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'They have clear targets, such as orrupt banks. And they actually directly protest against them. People just don't pay close enough attention.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally reckon we all have about 20 years to get ourselves land and settled'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'china v. russia already happened, didn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'well compare that to a war, or a specific person'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Occupy movement requires to go anti-Republican and vote more'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think any of the issues have to do with left vs right, then you miss the point'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another alternative is to infiltrate the Republican party and support socialist candidates in the primaries and vote Democrat in the elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't want socialists, that's how the NWO co-opted europe'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all we can be sure of is that in 20 years, the US is occyping some country in the middle east. Maybe iran this time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do not want republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Republicans are so bad. They don't understand economics.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do not want Romney :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand economics no worse than democrats'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'like it really matter who is elected.  they are all puppets to the lobbyists and special interests anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows before Slethrin.
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'they will do nothing they promise to do as usual etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides are slaves to the global megabanks'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Europe are now finding out'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans beileve in "socialism" taxcuts and handouts for the rich but not for the poor'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Well, that is the most important truth. Everyone is getting fucked by the same global organizations.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all republicans think that'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they believe generally in low-no taxation and small state'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'its not even up to the president anyways.  its whoever has the majority in the senate/house'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans beileve in "socialism" taxcuts and handouts for the rich but not for the middle classes (the middle class in the USA is dying)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong slethrin'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'for example obama tried to pass things, but got blocked time and agai'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you miss the bit where Obama late on the evening of the St Patricks Day holiday shoved through presidential orders giving him the ability to declare martial law and seize all manner of powers without congress involved?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'That's very true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then please make sure that CISPA gets blocked'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Slethrin is still correct. That isn't to say Obama is a saint.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll probably see  Obama taking you guys to war against the wishes of, or without the consent of Congress'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'yeah it would not surprise me if they cooked up some war as an excuse to keep obama in office'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't think there were actual threats in Iraq or Afghanistan, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a big excuse to pass draconian anti-liberty laws'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what GW Bush did, let 9-11 happen'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just about every president since Johnson has forced Congress to declare war after the fact at least once during the term.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'of course not, and donteven get me started on 911'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'What is sad is that Obama doesn't even need it with the crackpot Repub candidates they have running. '
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find that the whole republican vs democrat things is a smokescreen'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'last I checked, Obama was losing.  Did he gain the lead again?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like the nobel peace price back from Obama, thanks, he didn't fullfill any of the promises that price was based on. Ok?'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'yeah he did nothing, not even end the war'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'There is nothing like winning yet. It isn't close enough to elections. All you have are 'approval ratings' which tell you nothing about the actual election.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'approval rating of either would be shocking'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, he's probably the best US president in decades, but he's still a crook.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'who knows whattricks they have up their sleeve.  not like they will play fair'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the (repubican) criminal mobs and moles may be rigging the elections in the USA -- a lot of election fraud in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama is too much like Grant.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they rigged the republican candidancy'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'but my theory on opbama is, he is a secretrepublican.. MEANT to be a lame duck, to show that democrats suck.  thats his whole purpose'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'he was never meant to be a ood president'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, rigged elections are typical in young countries that haven't had democracy for long.'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was supposed to be palatable because he's black(ish)'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'its just the opposite imo.  look how much a black demo failed, goes to show you should elect old white repubs'
T3/r6/2012-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is, i need to work out how to make budesonide'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure here '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think this is the chann for this '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you mean this chan ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(answer) "(straight) strait is the path and narrow is the way that leadeth to .. something"  "wide is the road that leads to hell"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i kill the first one to quote pascal'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the curse of the average occult student is gulability - I tend to agree '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a pascal quote ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'that thing people quote when they wish to justify nonsense ... i refuse to repeat it'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pascal's fearmongering quote, urging the cowardly to believe in false gods just in case the false god in not false'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'not dat'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok just read pascal will add the whole ultimate lie of Satan not being true to the basket - waste paper basket'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pascal's fearmongering quote, urging the cowardly to believe in a christian god just in case the false christian god is not false'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'posit a "truth" Thinkon?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a (cowardly) safety ploy'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deathbed repentance .. yeah yeah explored .. '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if "explored", you are supposed to be dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think "ritual magic does not work" was the current tabled item - and yes I am dead'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'ok just to assuage curiosity ... the heart has its reasons blah blah of which reason knows nothing blah blah ... (commits suicide as he promised to kill the first one to quote it)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol the Disney theory ! romantisicm in it's most banal form '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'aka the waft hippy mantra'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was a horrid misquote/paraphrase of "the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'manifest in the "lets pick n choose truths" Wiccan ideal ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'pascal was a fideist after all'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fideist ? u gonna make me read again aren't u '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and rather more clever than most of those who use the quote to cover the holes in their arguments'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"do what thou wilt, that is the whole of the law" -- paraphrased Crowley's Thelma's law '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Simper Fido"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'love and the law ? I used to go out with one of those freaks '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'surely crowley was just a fairly typical wannabe cult leader ... wanting to be though wise and get shagged a lot?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rather that a pissing contest - "ritual magic does not work" - is that even defendable ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't forget the opium .. '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Crowley authored several gaudy books'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'let's get a chicken'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think Dad has Book 4 around - some good tips for meditation '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so - ritual magic - myth busted ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'let's all just be nice and agree to give up the silly magic and charlatanism and go read some proper philosophy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm start with Kant ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'wrote my disertation on him funnily enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the defect with Crowley's spells and rituals is the difficulty of obtaining and using Laudenum (at least legally)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'then enlighten us plebs ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Laudenum == opiates'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'subjective/objective truths  pertanent ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'the point is that i am no more enlightened than anyone else ... it aint magc ... you can read it same as me'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'claiming to know the ANSWER is usually how you spot the charlatan ... especially if they claim some privileged access'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm we could decend into suggestion - yes even advertising/drugs '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"i know sonm of the answers, but you perverts are not worthy" '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'most incoherent debate ever.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just read the Bible and do what the LORD Sky Daddy says.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"cast not pearls before swine"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah if you knew where I was youd understand :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'you guys are failing the turing test'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guess your mom isn't getting any pearls'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the answer objective ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nice plae to start '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'that begs a question'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'turing test ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i want to know where you are now'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and yes this is incoherent'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'fish'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'blue, rhinoceros, triangle.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so long and thanks ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OOOO! we have a Mac plus with ELIZA on it !'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'debate 42'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'charlatan!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like youe soft edge .. not sure it gets us anywhere - and I'm currently at the pleasure of Oz mental facilities ..'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i imagine a warm soft kangaroo pouch somehow'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, that's perverted!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imagine they still use Thorazine Largactal is called here'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and they encourage internet fantasy games? intriguing'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just transfered - I get lappy for 2 hours a night'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'b4 this snuck out on reception puter n b4 that was a 1st year uni student - ain't life grand '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you tarded?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '137 tard'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling goes, "OK".
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: '?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Australia seems a barbaric country where censorship yet reigns'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i never thought of visiting ... always imagined my hatred of sport and being called 'mate' sort of ruled it out'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '137stanfordbinet and we just sell china the shit they will use to take over the world  :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'great place to visit if you are rich and low profile'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'always fond of dame edna though'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bleh'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol stay away then!'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'too much '70's UK telly'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'les patterson was a famous rabble rouser b4 his alt- like a paris hilton without the tape '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I kind of want to go to Australia for work, but my GF doesn't want me to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Paris Hilton is pretty and from a rich family'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'you wouldn't want a tape surely?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mining here pays good - apparently Iraq- Afganistan pays better n yanks get huge tax breaks in the mid east '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'paris is preatty ?!!?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on your taste'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "sex-tape" was a "stepping stone"'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not that way inclined - Hex from GoodGame  I'd turn for - next time I dye my hair is gonna be like hers '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suckker fer dimples too :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Paris Hilton altered her facial features slightly several times to be more photogenic'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/about/hex.htm                                                  trumps plastic - but with blue highlights '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'this debate started at ritual magic and now reaches paris hilton ... hmm ... what do we learn?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again- posit a theory ? big Kant man ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'i waft my categorical imperative in your general direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which "categorical imperative" ((doubt) if you even know of one or what that means)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hitchhikers ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'monty python - grr yall have years on me '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'yes i am indeed verrrrrrrrrrrrrry old'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but ingeneral deb insane morons you get paris ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is she still in the media loop ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '45 min left :('
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just reading on kant - guy was stuck on a moral right- they get darwinism back then social or otherwise ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kinda solves his q?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'sorry don't follow'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok unconditional moral law - Kant Alturism and reciprocity- Darwin.. tweaked a lil '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok punctuation not my strong point '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'sorry not with you ... kant predates darwin ... moral philosophy not my strong point'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz is very hard to organise htoughts atm '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'that's 'pre-dates' btw not 'predates' although that does summon up an amusing image'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not the only one chuckeling :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back to paris ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'ah the relief'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'really frustrated by this nothingness tho - I'll admit ineptitude - spelling evident but ! Grr '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'nothingness?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'froth ? no meat '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'and why all the froth?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is usually just a pissing contest I'm just bloody frustrated with my coherence atm , is not you '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm being glared at , time to go , ty for your company '
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thinkon: 'bye'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS bought 450million rounds of hollowpoint ammo, despite it being illegal to use in the theatre of war under Geneva Convention'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when was the purchase, which presidency'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this one'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was awarded march 2012'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(contract)'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think our children have gotten too smart for their own good.  Some Saudi toddler whacked his old man because he didn't buy him a playstation.  Nevermind the tones of video-game addiction and spoiled-brattiness, they kid was only 4 years old!  How'd he even figure out how to shoot a gun?'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, my nephew is 4 (almost 5).  He knows guns kill people.'
T3/r6/2012-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And has toy ones that he knows how to shoot'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of temporary insanity results in you stabbing your wife of 37 years 120 times?  take a steak and stab it 120 times for guesstimation'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he must have the royal family itself representing him in court of lunacy'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a rump roast or a hind of pig with skin attattched would be better'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick shit, shit like that bugs me to the extremes, that's supposed to be the law and it's some piece of shit instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British courts want to encourage the muslims to euthanise their spouses'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if that was the case, would they then be promoting islam to the rest of their people who weren't muslim until they were threatened with harrowing torment if they didn't convert?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so ,they're just making like uzbekistan and promoting that all doctors have to cut out at least 4 uterus's per month'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British courts want to encourage the *arab* muslims to euthanise their spouses -- those non-arabs converting to islam to be able to murder their spouses are to be dealt with harshly'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's in canada's best interest to remove the monarchy from the head of state attourney general person whatever, seeing contrasting obvious trash judgemenet like that coming from the god save teh queen land'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm no judge of just how much authority they have over there, but i imagine it's more than nothing, and even a bat could see that's some fucked up justice there, and they're blind'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, the Harper monarchy is likely to be far worse than the British monarchy'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'British justice is sly and cunning and works'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the harper monarchy, even to his political opponents and the reporters who don't expect anybody to listen to their debates on question hour, acknowledge that harper's monarchy is a puppet for arms dealers'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah he's just a little old puppet on strings that nobody knows'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't blame the puppet for everything, he has a wife and kids after all - not many (or no) politicians in the world without that common bondage (hostage situation) on the bargaining table'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hri: 'what countries does canada sell weapons to'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure the dynamics of what their sayings are about, the 10 billion pricetag lowered f-35's were part of their discussion though'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'we have weopons ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know that canada, while the liberals were campaigning of helicopter costs (as they do today), were building engines for chinese military helicopters'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a canadian company, somehow affords to build engines for military in china but canada can't afford it for itself somehow'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, they have a big complex set of lies and half-truths and coverups that can't be seen through by any sane method'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had at least a half a century to develop them'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no way they can justify petro-canada being dismantled 2 years before petro-china buys a large portion of alberta's oil sands either'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not if they understood what it was originally developed around in the ndp elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's crooked all over the place, you could write one of the biggest books in the world on corruption in modern politics'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the WildRose party bloom in Alberta'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'news said it was conservative that won but wildrose is the main opposition'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye ab has been conservative for more than a decade'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chewmosh, did you vote in the Alberta elections'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm never going to vote again, that's what electoral colleges are for'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'last time i voted was for jack layton, and the new ndp leader isn't him at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk tsk, all noise, no vote, not good'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all votings rigged is my vote'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would i want the illusion that i'm a number that adds to a result?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate so chemosh u believe the china deal is a bad one ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'defeinitely'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why couldn't china have purchased canadian oil from a canadian crown corporation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'huh ud know more i assumed itd be great for ab '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'migrant workers too, harper's streamlinging that process to a 12-month period now, full citizenship'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye well we do have the room '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'time to move to canada?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm gonna be moving out once i get some money together'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't stand the shit that runs it'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'move to alberta maybe the rest of the country lives of alberta '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Harper Irish want to flood Canada with white Trish emigres'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye i moved to bc about 9 months ago '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'but was albertan for about 20 years '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'when ur done making money in alberta u go to bc :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the upper-class canadian Irish want to flood Canada with white Irish from Ireland -- but are likely to destroy Canada in the process as terrorists also flood into Canada'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i sincerly doubt irish terorist are going to emigree here to destroy us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, at least you're not being overrun by Pakis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'we are tho '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Harper initiative is extremely racist in motivation'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'at least in the major western cities here whites are a minority'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah right, having his lips glued to israel's ass shows how determined he is to cater to the irish'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it obama's?  i think they're both glued to the same ass, whether or not it's israel'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the revent St Patrick's Day riots are an Irish funtime where canadians practice to be fun terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'that bugs me the most about our govt i think is how we let the us push us around on civil issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the recent St Patrick's Day "fun riots" (overturning and  burning cars) are an Irish funtime where some Canadians practice to be fun terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'U.S.*'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'saskatchewan's allowing some lingerie female whoreball entertainment sports cross the border from the USA this year, while drinking at strip clubs is a no-no , you can drink at the whore ball games'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i still cant buy a buncha irishman coming here with the intention of destroying us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the great US civil law changing moves'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh your government doesn't allow drunk whore houses?   well, we'll see about that'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe some girls will pay their university tuition with their nips hanging out for the crowd'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'debate hooters !'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'byw, are those Biker gangs mostly Irish'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'o really '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'never thought about it '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'angels could prob run this country better :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, that mom bouchet seemed like quite the greedy asshole, and also that guy in niagara falls there who's pal ran the cops'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mayor of toronto supposedly is good pals (brothers) with the chief of police down there too'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his family calls 9/11 on him and it was just a prank'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'u know my fav govt man was ole ralphy klien i miss him '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ye his fingers had dirt on em but he did alot of good imo '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to history/discovery/documentary/cbc news/ctv news'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not all bad people though, i agree there'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just don't believe that any single person should be given ultimate control of anything spanning more than their immediate vicinity, and what a president or a priminister or king thinks his immediate vicinity is 1000 miles away'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i like how hed goto mandatory attendance handout meetings: hed sit down take a sip a water then leave :P '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'take drug legislation for instance, here's 37% of the entire population that bothered to vote or take a survey saying i'm not sure, here's 47% saying yes i see no harm in some of them being legalized or legislation being intelligently altered to combat the problems prohibition causes, and the shady remainder say hell no..'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with such a large supporting group from the 1000 mile king's territory, why wouldn't they have decided that prohibition and drug legislation should be more of a municipal or territorial law instead?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'thats what i was gettin at about US influence we were about to legalize mj till they threatened us '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't, your opinion don't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'omg the US drug war chafes me so bad...  and unfortunately because it's outlawed at the federal level, you're opinion already doesn't count'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '(your, even)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are wrong Taoken (the mole)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet if all prohibition was lifted today there'd be less addicts and hundreds of thousands of less homicides per years'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus, they wouldn't have to rob people and fear being seen in court by witnessess so you got another less homicide with a downed robbery rate for the 500 dollar habit'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there be an increase in accidents if drug prohibition were lifted without restrictions'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'they will lift proahibition when they perfect robots and dont need a middle/lowerclass anymore '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no evidence of that at all'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'weird cuz these addicts are already comfortable breaking the law posseesing drugs but there to scared to drive cuz drugs are illegal ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there'd be an increase on homicides (drug users are extremely annoying when polluting)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea that you're doing something wrong (whether using substances or using them while driving) is there anyways, if you removed the you're doing something wrong from the substances and used education to combat stupidity instead of make more money and secure your future income then there'd be two wings of your dark angel clipped'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the way I see it, US election reform needs to take place before we'll have a hope of lifting prohibition.  Right now every federal office boils down to voting for the existing guy (or his mirror image successor), or the guy with the best chance of beating him.  That leaves no room for candidates to support anything but the most mainstream liberal positions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of evidence -- if you smoke marijuana and pollute my air sopace, i am going to be extremely annoyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'ur f'n car pollutes my airspace more than my joint ever will'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if drugs were legalized then, would you advertise how great they are like cialis and viagra, or would you leave that up to your doctor and their parents, community programs and support groups?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'altered minds are what people see in people they think are retarded, drugs alter peoples minds, drugs are a mental illness, sometimes preferrable to the one they're escaping from'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'inadequate social funding for programs combatting the root issues that cause them to gravitate towards the narcotics, and also negligence of some of their legitimate uses in combatting some forms of mental or physical illness'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of evidence -- if you smoke marijuana on a public bus, and the bus crashes because the driver is impaired, folk are going to be extremely annoyed -- there is going to be violence as your head is kicked in hard)'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so I think if mj was legalized, it'd be subject to the same restrictions we place on tobacco and alcohol today.  Age restrictions, strict laws about being wasted and driving, no smoking in public areas or confined to a "smoker's corner" if you will.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of things and ways to go about fixing them if people wanted to, but like those teachers secure their futures by keeping their students dumber than themselves, the government secures their childrens futures by locking yours up'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they call these democratic nations - i'm under the impression the definition of democracy is the exact opposite of what it says'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'cant smoke anything on a bus period : /'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'restrictions as tobacco and alcohol - how about what they add to both?  ether for instance in your booze'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'speeding up the fermentation process, get yourself a little deadly head rush in addition to the basic substance you thought you bought'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homicide rate may even sky-rocket as moral decay from drugs increases'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the government shouldn't really be adding cyanide and things to cannabis too, do you?  i think it should remain to farmers markets instead, so you can verify the growers'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i dunno im talking lifting bans on drugs thaT ARE NO MORE HARMFUL THAN ALCOHOL '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'sry caps'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or at least have a verifiable set of points of production where people can go and observe the whole process themselves, who wants more Jim Jones Cartel leaders around in government?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sure as hell don't, not for anybody's kids'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wasn't as horrendous as Mendele and some of those others, but their activities are similar - as with tobacco, do you really think they had to double the dosages of toxins added to it in 2005?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some Geneva conventional violations there, I wonder why the Geneva people don't question the tobacco industry and the governments who profit from it'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'fyi alot of very successful ppl smoke mj it doesnt cause moral decay in fact id put money down that ud find alot more careing potheads than u would joe blows who dont do any drugs '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know lots of successful people smoke dope - dope also does about the direct opposite to the brain chemistry as opiates do'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage increases confidence in abilities as those abilities deteriorate'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'i could see the potential tho if u opened the floodgates to all drugs im not sure how that would play out '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the drugs are already there, this is how it played out'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'so does everyday life the more u do stuff trhe more confident u are even as age sets in '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage results in blatant lies extolling the virtues of THC'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'legalizing them is the star trek approach'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'lol zade'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least then liberal approaches to prevention and treatment could be perfected'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heavy THC usage results in grandiose claims of the Utopia to result from unrestricted legaised THC usage'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'if alcohol was illegal as well i wouldnt bitch so much about pot being illegal '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'as it stands it doesnt make sence'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it'd still be around too'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I know is that if pot were legalized, I'd be high all day every day.'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, 1929). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions call it bullshit or whatever, but what they add to cigarettes contributes alot to that, it's not tobacco doing the killing most of the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chlorine was the gas used to suffocate the scottish and canadian troops in world war 1'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does it need to be added to all water systems in the world to make it clean?  you decide, and what's being done to make it's use not neccessary in the future?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are there any adverse affects on unborn foretus's and infants from steam coming from chlorinated water from the average tap?'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'someone told me : smokes agitate ur lungs making them more susceptible to the harmful pollutants in the air those pollutants are the major cause of desease. that being said i smoke and really want to quit its still harmful i just think the 50 % tax hike on cigs shoulda been spread out to the corporations some not directly on the smokr'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't smoke cigarettes when i smoke dope'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise i smoke cigarettes though, fully aware of the death they cause'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'im going to try laser surgery if my sis's research on it comes bak favorably'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sort of do it out of hatred, thinking that somewhere somebody's getting away with murdering people just like me who think we're just smoking a cigarette but aren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to figure out what the difference between them and these villains of history are'
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'every person iv come across who has done laser surgery said it worked, some of them walked into that surgery fully expecting it not to work '
T3/r6/2012-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tolakoms: 'anyone hear of laser surgery not working to kick smokeing ? '
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA/TheWest supported Al-Quaida in Libya and Syria. Hrm'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'and? we also supplied them with weapons and training years ago in afghanistan. point?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those were GOOD al-q., then it's ok!'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or..something'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you think 9/11 was all a put up job so they could impose draconian security measures at home?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since oklahoma 1995 was certainly a false flag attack'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are people ok with that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think that there's too much I don't know about 9/11 for me to have a firm opinion on exactly who was behind it. At any rate it was used to justify taking several steps toward an orwellian dystopia, so it was certainly 'convenient'.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well whether you believe it was a put-up job or not, i don't think it justifies legislation that has clamped down on freedom, liberty, and rights across UK and USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'so do something besides talking about it in a text-based game?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well, I can't speak for the UK, but if sending all my library records to the DHS is going to prevent some nut from crashing another airplane into another building, then I'm all for it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Of course, sending all my library records to the DHS ISN'T going to prevent some nut from crashing another airplane into another building, but that's beside the point.  :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about being stopped and searched in the street without just cause or warrant. How about x-ray scanners and intrusive searches airports?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'this is debate, dont use logic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about not being able to talk freely about anything vaguely related on websites or other media?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the USA particularly, how about not being able to travel out of state, even by road, if your taxes aren't up to date'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if you don't like the security at the airport, don't fly, personally it gives me a feeeling of being protected when I fly'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The whole, being stopped in the streets without a warrent thing dates back to 1968 (Terry v. Ohio).'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's pretty much just the feeling though, not reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about secret feds riding buses and trains, snooping on people?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'False sense of security, Ashiya'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But you have a point about the virtual strip searches.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'might very well be, but if it soothes my mind I'm happy'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People have 'tested' the system by sneaking large, albeit benign, metal objects through the body scanners'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Supposedly, the purpose of the virtual strip search machines is to detect people trying to smuggle explosives that can't be detected by standard x-rays.  The problem is, the virtual strip search machines don't do that.  '
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If the terrorists want to bomb your plane, they already know how to sneak a device on there, so the body scanners aren't protecting you from shit.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, they expose people to radiation that wouldn't be safe in industry, and have caused cancer in operatives working them regularly'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-and- half of the tsa staff don't actually know how to use them correctly, or understand the procedures'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So as far as I'm concerned, the body scanners are just porno entertainment for bored TSA monkeys who want to see some titties.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or to grope children, starling'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, that's kind of messed up.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'lol have you seen the actual pictures they get, if they get off of that, then I feel bad for them'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Have you seen some of the tools working TSA?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been deliberately employing paedo's'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason they employ control-freak nutjobs for the UK polcie'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the USA needs to do is use profiling.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Profiling works.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to get staff that aren't there for the public's good, they're getting staff that are there to dominate and hold power'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'indeed it does star'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the new gun confiscation rules they're trying to push through USA atm'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mean, look at Vegan here, if he tried to go through security and they profiled, they'd pull him aside as an alcoholic whackjob on the spot.  And indeed, that's exactly what he is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd get yourself up in arms about that. (no puns intended)'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It just sucks because now I can't sneak a bag of weed or a flask of alcohol on the damn plane'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you need to sneak alcahol onto the plain when they serve it up in the air?'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because a) their alcohol is fucking expensive, b) I can bring whatever I want and it's probably better than what they have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Never been on a jet that offers much in the way of Scotch'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, never flown anywhere where alcohol hasn't been free'
T3/r6/2012-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe on a first class international flight, definitely not in coach'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why is it the US government are victimising smallholders and small farmers who refuse to use genetically modified seeds and pesticides?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'leftist propaganda? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not leftist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if anything rightist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'refusing to use GMO?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many incidents of farms being raided and crops destroyed, livestock slaughtered'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA laws are extremely corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are very selectively applied here, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're essentially clamping down on organic farmers'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK, every cow, sheep and pig needs a passport, and has to have papers filled in every time you move them'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the problem in the UK is they're being clamped down against the wishes of the state by the feds'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'blame the vegans, just a thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the UK, that is to protect against mad-animal diseases'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hoof'n'mouth diseases'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch the documentary "Farmageddon"'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain is small in land area - they cannot afford to lose farmlands to diseased soils'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late, they've crippled it with pesticides'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pesticides eventually disappear -- but some animial-to-soil diseases stay a long long while'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, no pesticides don't, they get into the water table'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then into the food chain'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're a bigger threat than climate change'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as they're badly affecting the ecosystem'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'whenever i hear a debate about GMO and organic farming, i wonder how many of the people taking part are vets, aka. know what the hell are they talking about :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i work for an organisation involved in conservation'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and come from a family of farmers'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'that's not much of a qualification to talk about effects of pesticides, is it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then who would?'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'errr, a vet? :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vets are not adequately qualified'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have anything to do with crops or soil or ecosystem, or conservation'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rajahtan: 'i think you guys might be looking for a geologist'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'right, they're more about livestock and meat production, so other type of doctor working with hygiene'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a hygiene issue'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vets are overpriced animal-doctors -- only the "rich" are able to afford them -- "rich" commercial industries '
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'the point is, you are apparently neither, you're saying you know all this because your pa was a farmer and so was his pa and so on, which sounds like a load of crap, you're probably just indoctrinated by the propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich that pays the vet pipers, select the tunes the vet pipers play'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd better tell all the research ecologists that they work is crap then'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll be glad to hear it'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'using pesticides can be bad, as well as not using them, using things right is where the science is at, and if there are problems, blame a non-functioning regulartory organs instead of going all anarchy - pesticides are evil, let's not use them'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's specific pesticides that are causing the damage'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the same as it's specific genetically modified crops that are causing the trouble with bat populations'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it's bizarre that they're victimising organic farmers and let the offending corps get away with... murder'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'yep, it's hard to draw the line where it's good and where it's bad, but drawing the line right at the beginning, saying 'let's not use these at all' is just as stupid as mindlessly using everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damage to the ecosystem is extremely hard to reverse'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've noticed that Canola oils (Canola is likely a GMO crop) seem to digest and act differently to normal oils'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, you guys need to get shot of CISPA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the Canola oil is odorless (and not rancid), the canola oil is likely okay -- but when overcooked or oxidised to rancid, reeks and may cause a slight angina)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mau also depend on the brandname -- some Canola brands smell, some don't'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the odorless Canola oil sprinkled lightly on fresh popcorn, then lightly salted with half-salt tastes (buttery and) delicious'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is to ban children from doing chores on their family farms'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is illegal to do research on genetically modified crops without permission from the patent holder'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is illegal to do research on genetically modified donkeys without permission from me.'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, which countries peohibit research on GMO crops unless with permission -- that seemes far-fetched and corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though (religion and) money in the USA buys extreme political corruption '
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Srephen Colbert reported that: Arizona is attempting to pass laws that "human life" begins two weeks before actual conception'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'life begins at the conception of the grandparents-to-be!'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in further Daily-Show/Colbert-Report news:  Texas is seeking to change school textbooks so that "Creationism" is the new modern science, and that "Evolution" is false-science'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Christians in cooperation with Republicans are seeking to ruin education and fiscal-responsibility in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not soley republicans'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats are at it too'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want world government'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, only rich people should get education, everyone else can work at mcdonalds!'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no fiscal responsibility anywhere in the western world'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's broken'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the common riff-raff shall get a "religious" education and decreaed services, - while the rich get the elite education, the handouts, bailouts, tax-cuts, cheap mining rights, and domain perks'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, that is an economic model that may "work" in terms of production, but life may become hell for the average citizen of the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't have that'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have high taxes, high welfare, no freedom'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high corruption'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're headed for the end of state rule'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as long as the production corporations are financially sound, the economic model shall be seemingly okay -- but those that are not rich shall be viewed as expendable or cheap labor'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but what happens when the not-rich are no longer able to buy the products that the rich produce -- simply change the products menu'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an economy is based upon the velocity of monies -- but if the politicians support only the rich, how long before the USA degenerates to the mass poverty of India'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the anti-socialist Christians in the USA are supporting directions that are extremely anti-Christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some irony there, and perhaps even some eventual apocalypse prophecy fulfillment)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama has come out and said that he's looking forward to being a dictator'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Christians of the USA (and other countries) become the anti-Christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, where did Obama say that'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the atheistic viewpoint: even though the christian Bible is a book of fiction, some of the prophecies of the Apocalypse may be coming to happen (though in an ironic twist unintended by the so-called Christians)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the book of Revelation, the wicked cities are burnt with fire -- that is not good news for the USA'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican Christians speak of building a strong nation -- yet the Apocalypse seems intent on raining destruction down upon the great nations of the planet  -- not sure how the "Christian Repubicans" explain that, other than by wearing blinders'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the atheistic viewpoint, the Bible is fiction crap.  But even so, how to explain the icreasing accuracy of the Book of Revelations in foretelling what seems to be happening as the "rich" become more and more selfish and corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe there is an atheistic god that dislikes religions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe there is an atheistic god that dislikes selfish corrupt religions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(republican christians are selfish and corrupt)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get too stereotypical :-)'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '((silence in the peanut gallery whilw i am slinging mud))         j/k'
T3/r6/2012-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is to ban children from working on their family's farms'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian troops to train in anti-terrorist drills again US citizens in Colarado from 24th to 31st May'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'again --> against'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh alex has found a gun-toting pin-up'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(expletive deleted) Arlow, (expletive deleted)!'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'So, about that economy?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, not only are we all Africans, we're all fish.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so this is one of the "porn" channels'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rename the "X-rated debate" to the "mindf***" channel, and recreate debate as a non-X-rated channel'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'How about the price of lettuce these days, huh?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, i keep the ftalk and curse channels off'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, I honestly couldn't tell you the price of lettuce. I wonder what it is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jews and arabs are semites, but according to the English, if you are anti-jew, you are antisemitic, but if you are anti-arab you are not antisemitic '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Like...99 cents a head'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yeah, Zade. Language is tricky that way.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, thank Leinei. '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'moose and meeses, Zade.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If only 99 cents for head was the norm.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There we go, NOW it's x-rated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't buy lettuce because when I make salads I buy the pre-packaged lettuce/spinach mix. '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'I'm anti-semis. Semitrailers, that is. Every time one of those things go by me on my bike, I feel like I'm gonna get sucked under the wheels...'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nuances of "native" as in "a native",  "a native speaker",  "a native country"'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the return of the native'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'libertarians are viewed as fiscally incompetent -- ironicaly, republicans are actually fiscally incompetent or extremely greedy selfish and unfeeling '
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich-controlled media shapes opinions to deceive the populace'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Yeah, but libertarians have really just begun to shine to the austrian school of economics. They are gaining traction as fiscally conservatives.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vegan: 'librarians? really?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surprisingly, it doesn't.  It's more about the perception of the DIFFERENCE in opinions among political leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you people bother to debate this issue? Anyone on the taxpayer's payroll is fiscally incompetent either by design or accident. Period.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'australian school librarians, economics, gotcha.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really, Anaristos? All public employees? Firefighters?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as an example, scientists are all but unanimous on global warming but political leaders in at least the US are roughly evenly divided on it.  As a result, the public largely considers global warming to be an uncertainty.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: '... i.e,, if you were paying taxes, you'd be fiscally competent, and vice versa?'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who doesn't have to worry about job security as a function of performance is going to give little care about fiscal competency.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whack-jobs (worse than Che****) are opinionated and are more likely to join the libertarian party than the republicans (unless the libertarians take care to filter out those incompetents)'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, Zade. Once you are on the gravy train you won't give a shit about competency since it won't matter.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless they are religious whack-jobs, when they do join the republican party'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until someone in the constituency goes "Hey, we got you in.  How come you aren't getting it done for us?" followed by a bunch of "Yeah"'s and "Good point"'s and such.'
T3/r6/2012-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'being a democrat, libertarian or republican is the same as being a yankee, cub or met. No matter what the team you play the same game.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Breivikbs emotionless appearance in court as witnesses give gruesome testimony and bereaved families sob audibly has left many baffled at his state of mind, wondering if he is exercising superhuman self-control or simply feels no emotions. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-norway-muslim-leaders-say-breivik-trial-should-focus-on-gunmans-anti-islamic-ideology/2012/04/28/gIQAxbdMnT_story.html .. this movie provides some other possibilities too, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Toes - i haven't seen anything remotely close in john grisham novels or movies and other racial crime shows, but parts are considerable'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you of all people should know what a sociopath is, Chemosh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being well accepted by a sick society is no sound indication of real health'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he seen the movie and what the jewish 'zog overlords of puppet governments' expected would happen to a aryan soldier who acted in defiance emotionally/mentally, and wanted to correct that - the movie involved a Hindu victim though, which is odd'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he also claimed that the jews spread communism throughout the world in the movie, it was neat - like the KGB evidence i talked about the other day and the meeting between  B'nai Brith and stephen harper http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2012/04/26/alleged-war-criminal-que-beekeeper.html'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'socialism is good or evil?  I forget which.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'its sexy. like che'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looking at the world, i'd say it's ran by evil, isn't there a Socialist contributor you can refer to?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'run by evil is true.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US is putting people in jail for not paying their debts (about a third of the states have laws allowing this).'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'huh, they still have debtor's prison?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, it is called an exwife.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's mostly a loophole.  You aren't actually arrested and jailed for owing money, you're arrested and jailed for failing to appear and related charges connected to you owing the money.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some states actually jail folk through collection courts, where the right to a public defender doesn't apply to the accused.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that can escalate to genocide eventually, these foreign banker debtors and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money used to be a tool of a real government, not something that tooled it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can Wendigo embody the concept of most gods on earth, Mictlantecuhtli be a possible Wendigo and Unas be their knowledge?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Zeus.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please, guys, put down the joint, you are overdoing it :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'consider it, you're south american aren't you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pyramids are no joke'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, they are real, which is the point.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what?  No way, this is absolute proof that pot's the ultimate health food.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't work for the vatican'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mysticism is a modality which not compatible with reality. You are trying to mix both.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4R4VMMTyGc'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'santa muerte is being worshipped across the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever reality is to you might be better considered after your thoughts on what they think of it are seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, shit must be good since a billion flies couldn't be wrong?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not everybody possibly knows, but some do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice Dark, i listened to a few anonymous links before'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they come into the recommendations sidebar often'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I thought it was hilarious.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I saw it as a video response to TAA.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you seem to miss the point. Objects in the universe must be natural, that is, adhere to the nature of the universe. So, by definition, the un-natural and the supernatural must fail to exist, by definition. So, "un-natural" and "supernatural" are euphemisms for "can't be explained at the moment".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so labeling something "un-natural" or "supernatural" can only mean an error in perception.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'teh universe is just a word that means everything, and minds to some are still and will always be nothing, except on a different plane of existence comprising a unseen foothold that they use to perceive the universe'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider the universe is a blob of unconscious nothing only, i don't make it my god replacement'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Chemosh, the universe, whatever that is, is the label for the cohesive nature of existence. So, if something exists it must be natural, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you have a mind and i have a mind and neither of us controls what's in between us, then there's possibly more than ours around'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then we all have real in similarity, so there is a entity beyond us'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, if zombies do exist, then they must be caused by a natural chain of event, and they, themselves, are natural. If we view them as un-natural, they we are perceiving them incorrectly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the mind is a function of physical phenomena, therefore, the mind is a natural object of the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an object, which is subject, to quantum effects :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe nothing to be real, not believe is a defense against reality to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, fortunately or unfortunately, reality doesn't need you to validate it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'considering both to be neccessary is a thing i consider, but aren't sure of because i don't know the balanced mind of the universe interactively at all time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I really don't give a fuck. I don't care if 'god' is real or not. Either way, nothing will change for me. We're all on the path to death and is what we are constantly anticipating everyday. At least some of us.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you either give the universe too much credit, or not enough.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem is that you  anthropomorphize the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real's a monetary unit in brazil though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from what you say, it must be something that walks around doing things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they kind of tainted the communication with an alternative'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"real" means either "real" or "royal".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so it loses a lot in translation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, not give a fuck's one thing i tried to do and did for awhile and periodically, but always the unaddressed came to the forefront and my mind was left to face it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to punish reality because you can't understand it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not punishing anybody except myself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the idea of punishment is a symptom of not-understanding.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as punishment in the universe, justice is a simply cause and effect. Whatever effect a cause has, it  must be just, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hide the actions of my enemies (who are not within the level of ordinary enemy) or worship their god justice though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'god would have to be, extra universal by definition, but since the universe is the container of all that is, then god can't exist, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a perception, just above the sky's a black spot and in there god might hide'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that is an analysis of the axioms of existence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if we were alive in the time of job or before the first pen was put to paper we might have witnessed things not imagined or explained in reality today'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this ignorance you follow doesn't work for me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're atheist i'm me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am ignorant? I take the path of least resistance. I don't event goblins to explain what I don't understand.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if yours was the universal path of least resistance then my mind wouldn't have contradicted my attempts to follow it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can follow solid truth when my mind sees it, visible or conceptual'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if your mind exists, then it must be a natural entity. If it is a natural entity then it is bound by its container, the universe. The mind is simply a formulation of rules, it has no substance. The rules that bind the mind are bound to the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'must and universe are turning into assumption of real to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'formulation of rules tells me about the minds that write computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that because we are able to re-arrange information that we are extra-universal. The  truth is that we are able to do so because our validating container, the universe, allows the phenomena to happen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i came to alot of original information myself, i don't have your pretext'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the data paths in the universe are static, all we do is discover them :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's ignorance to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that electricity didn't exist until  someone discovered it?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i wasn't there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, so whatever that date was when it was discovered, prior to that instance there was no such phenomenon as electricity in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a rather arrogant assumption :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just assumption to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen ultimate reality fall before in my dreams, this one's not god to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'satan's a dynamic being'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can he do it quietly please'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and assuming that quantum machinics is correct, there were no quantum effects prior the early 1900s ")'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't even hate satan'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't even know what a "satan" is...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'baal's are many faceted creatures too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't set my sights on the ultimate reality there, i set them above for you to find yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you didn't, you were already below anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am just fascinated by your insistence on the "super-natural", which, by definition, can't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll die believing in god if that's what happens'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole point of believing in the "supernatural" is keeping your eyes open for things that defy your explanation of what reality is, and incorporating them correctly into your worldview, instead of dismissing them as bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you claiming that if you stop believing in god, you won't die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the core of what it means to aim for supernatural'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Oh shit! I saw Cambodia's name. Once cambodia enters, he wins.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i can't stop believing in god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well my record is fucking far from perfect'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok wait, are you guys talking about belief in God and heaven and all of that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if you are right, Cambodia, as to what it is meant, the usage is a categorical mistake.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'It would seem so.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I will settle that whole issue right now simply and logically, on the side of God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Trust me, he will.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'you 2 may as wlel let him talk and he'll tell you it all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'well*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there can't be an extra-natural entity, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole thing of this topic is that our definitions are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we must conclude, then, that the universe is god :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the words we use mean the wrong things'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Why does it have to be god?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the word we use'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can live with that conclusion, though it is rather trivial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can call it what you want, but the way you treat it is what makes it important'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'ma call you Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum gets a blank look on his face.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe in God, but if I see you call it something different because you want to, but you treat it like someone who cares about Universe or whatever, you are godly enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it seems that how you mistreat it is  what's important.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You believe in an  anthropomorphic entity that "rules" the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, that is much subtler than a ham handed dismissal like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'first you have to understand that your mind is inextricably tied to the objective reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that would make the entity extra-universal, which can't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Anar you are right on some cases. But listen to what he's about to say.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if you are being objective, you are being objective in your mind, which operates by certain rules and laws of being of an animal nature'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so there are two sides to it, what you are seeing, and what you are seeing it through'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if what makes the universe is god, then god is the universe and the natural order of things is god, and so god is just a set of rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'belief in God is about properly honing your instrument (your mind and emotions)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and science is about what you see with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'neither one is wrong, they just both have a proper balance, once achieved, you can accomplish a lot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that assumes that somehow our minds are at the apex of existence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it just assumes that your mind is part of the equation of what you call reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which it is, no matter what the shape of it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health, what you fear, what you like, all of those "subjective" things actually affect what you see when you try to see objectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not that there is no objective reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just that if your binoculars are out of focus, you won't get the true picture'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true as psychology, but spirituality is whether they can be impacted by a third party who's supernatural, and being natural if that can be explained in terms of our perception'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of that "hippy new age yoga crap" about God being love and whatnot, is describing the psychological state of a mind that can perceive all of reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we are natural, which we must be, since we exist, then we conform to the rules of the universe. We exist as the stars exist and for the same reason.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh it's deeper than psychology'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either with that first or second set, and both'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, what does that mean emotionally?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are asking how a chemical reaction validates existence? I think you are question is backward.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes I am'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because how you feel about why you think you are here affects how your mind sees reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health affects your judgment in ways that you probably won't ever see unless you are lucky enough to be able to see around your own feelings'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the universe exists, and within the universe chemical  reactions we label  "emotions" exits. One validates the other, not the other way around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it really does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, now honestly, why do you pick that view over mine?  not saying I'm right, just why?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because that view is simpler. To assume that because we emote the universe exist is akin to saying that water exists because there is  such thing as wetness.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not logically, emotionally, why do you pick that view'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretend it matters, even if you think it doesn't, if it doesn't, reality won't give a shit if you are honest here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: '^'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Psychics did it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't help but to be emotional, emotions are bound to this configuration. I take them into account when I reach a conclusion. I do admit that I can't validate my conclusions outside the emotional context even when I allow for them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then at least admitting it is truthful enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's all, really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bottom line is this'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you know how to do much with a yo-yo?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I handed you one, what would you see in that yo-yo?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, if I postulate that data paths are static, then I can then reach a conclusion that would be valid with or without emotions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perfect'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know all the data paths bound to a yo-yo :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are such conclusions, but the emotional variable must be taken into consideration because you use your own mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have yet to uncover them.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I handed it to a yo-yo master, he would see a whole plethora of data paths'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are all there, why don't you see them?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every one that every master has and will ever uncover are all actually right there, in the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because I have chosen other data paths to explore, that's why I haven't uncovered mastery of the yo-yo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why did you choose those paths?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's bound to chemical reactions which follow a path of least resistance. The path of least resistance is bound by my configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's because you don't *care* about the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn about what you care about, or what pertains to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not true. I would love to uncover all the paths contained in a yo-yo.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but not enough to actually uncover them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'love is work, too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are just not deemed high-priority by this configuration :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in fact, love is a whole branch of science that is scoffed at and denigrated, when actually love is what makes a mind want to see what is out there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why the practice of love is tied inextricably to the practice of knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and a mind of infinite knowledge is a mind of infinite love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"love" is an affinity for a data path.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your mind and the universe are inextricably twined'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you only see truly what you truly care about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and data paths are bound to the configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that cannot be changed, ever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but one way to work it is to open your heart to more love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the other is study and discipline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, if I wanted to master the yo-yo, I would just alter my configuration, within the bounds set by the rules.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you would learn how to love the yo-yo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing is also that you have to use your mind to change your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe even satan can repent , even if he is the mythological bottom of ugliness'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you don't think, "alter my configuration" (or maybe you do), because that thought won't motivate you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you see the awesomeness in the yo-yo, and that alters your configuration'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"love" is a manifestation of affinity. Loving the yo-yo would just mean that the perceptions of its rules could be archived following a path of least resistence.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole spiritual teaching is a sort of code for how you do it from the inside, as you, not as an objective schematic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are right objectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but to actually do it, you must understand how your mind works subjectively as related to it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and bringing those two sides together, working from the subjective side, is what spirituality is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other side is science, but both sides are about knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I don't agree. The configuration is biased toward the exploration of data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ultimately we have at least a base level of wanting to live'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which technically is love, even if you are just trying to save your own ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it gets complex as you study further exactly *why* your mind has affinity for what it does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so basically, I must learn, and if given enough time, I would learn everything. What I haven't learned yet just haven't reached the top of the queue of paths to be explored.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the priorities are organized based on what you love (your affinities)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is  just a chemically managed queue.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have the ability to change your affinities'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more like this'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I shoot heroin, I will hear the crescendoes of all my favorite songs and it will feel awesome'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can control my chemistry to the extent that I can change the electrical circuits that process the data paths, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is serotonin or endorphins (don't know exactly, doesn't matter right now)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't think of endorphins to increase your endorphins'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you think of the song'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because that is the key to making your mind do it, as you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'from the outside, you use a chemical'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'from the inside, you use the meaning of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just remember that you are the creation of who put you there and realization isn't the end of the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are two ways to change it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a way, the chemical is the song'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is a real objective thing, and a subjective sensation'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can control either one, with different methods'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are two different studies'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the totality of the configuration takes care of generating the chemistry necessary to archive the goal. The case is that it is old bound to the original configuration. So, the position within the waiting queue is a function of static basis for the configuration.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bad people make it so, bad people can be judged'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all I am saying is that, whether or not that idea is true, it doesn't tend to work subjectively'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'good and bad are matters of opion, Chemosh. They have no basis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well now it is smoke break time I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos beams a smile at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the configurations in the universe follow the same law, they follow the path of least resistance.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'll just say one more thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't think you're wrong at all, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that surely makes a good case for entropy :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the way that you word it is important when working from the other side of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'In a way, I am trying to "denature" myself. The chemical processes are not well known to me so I must be careful that they don't contaminate my perception unduly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do believe that perception is a natural process that all entities have and it can be pure.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't think of them as contamination'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'use their properties'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'incorporate them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you actually get much farther that way :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because in the end, you cannot separate the two halves of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they push my  along a path with heightened resistance then they are a corruption. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I tell you what'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you ever own a dog'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do not think they can be separated, I think they can be properly managed for optimum perception.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you get a lot farther understanding and working with what the dog loves, and guiding it, than denying it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'funny, dogs do bring some examples to mind :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's two sides'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the dog loves, and what the dog must do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you harness what he loves to what he must do, and then the dog is happy and he works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both sides man :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are still animals, even though we are much more than that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am aware of that, I may be in minority, but I am a student of dog intelligence. Certainly they don't observe the world as we do, but they do observe it and act accordingly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the animal nature figures into the equation, more than some people think'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are all different'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I love dogs :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'For what the dog accomplishes, I rate their intelligence as being rather high.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just treat your animal nature like a dog instead of something to be emotionlessly controlled and you'd be amazed at what you can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's basically what I am getting at, I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they see more than you sometimes think, when you really take into account what they can perceive with their sense of smell'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they sniff you for 20 seconds and probably know, in their own doggish way, where you've been all day, who you've seen, and what mood you're in'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who you've fucked :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are chemical reactions that can't be avoided, they are dictated by the configuration, however, the ability to manipulate the reaction for the benefit of the configuration exists.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but does a dog understand it that way?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you managing it can think that way, but to motivate yourself, you have to pet the dog'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I don't think so.  Which is why they haven't placed a dog in the moon :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'translate your logic into an animal reward system sort of'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their configuration have constraints that we don't have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well they can't translate their impulses into language'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe that most of what we are under our logic is a lot like a dog, barring the dog instinct part which is different'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the substrate is the same, a mammal'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'humans had no natural defenses would have allowed them to maintain their perception tied to the immediate environment. The development of the ability to shunt chemical reaction output into waiting loops is what made the difference.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh the nature of how our reasoning is built on our animal nature is a rich, rich subject'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it all comes down to the simple ability to delay the response generated by an input.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to think an action, and play it in an infinite space in our mind, imagine the outcome, and then choose to act'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a way, that is sort of the crux of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a delay loop :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we can see into infinity without getting sucked in'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'transcend the Turing machine'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, infinity by just be a self-bound data path :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we can explore that path without actually doing it infinite times'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is a sort of paradox but we do it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is dictated by the container which is quite large so an "infinite loop" though, actually, finite can be quite long. Longer than we can perceive.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much of infinity you can see is dictated by the fitness of your nervous system, to a degree at the very least'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you can increase that power'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'with certain techniques'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then there might be the holographic nature of the container, which would allow for "reflections".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that I do agree with'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the mind has a fractal nature'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but in the end, the power that you ultimately have is the power to encompass all of it consciously, and use it all to make a decision'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which entails mastery of your animal nature, which is a science (the techniques of mastery of self)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but wouldn't that be a flaw in the configuration? It  would only serve us if the container itself  had the same design. So that the mind would be just a smaller version  of the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, there is the mind and the brain'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the brain upholds a pattern, the pattern is our minds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who come from other places and gods and stuff are infiltrations unless they admit to your loyalty'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the pattern can alter itself to a degree'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the mind can be renamed "the data paths bound to the configuration".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you are the data paths'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you feel like a data path (even if you are)  if I tell you to alter your data path, do you think to yourself [altering data path]?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you have to alter your data path'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that is a sad thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so dealing with sadness becomes part of altering your data path'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we are bound to the data paths  since we are bound by the configuration... OK, I can agree with that. All that really means is that we act within the container with cohesion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i.e. we are not random :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia beams a smile at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and nations and gods arne't far removed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, within the rules, each configuration has a degree of randomness.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there are quirks and whatnot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's no faith in that saying'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's what happens, people have to learn how to leave government out of religion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chemosh, the problem with "gods" is that they really don't explain anything. They just throw a rug over the stain on the floor.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are symbols of the mind, that can have a real affect on minds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is like I've been saying, half of the whole thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's a problem with trying to explain them to some, but there's also what their followers believe is their justification'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you build a God-Meter and try to find God that way, you will fail'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but having a symbol of something to aim for is a way of "altering the data paths"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but they represent "dead ends". The configuration refuses to explore the data path but it needs resolution, so it labels it "god".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what it is is more like, you have a job you hate, but a daughter that you love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you think of your daughter to work your job'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that works as long as the daughter and the job can be kept in different inner paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the paths intercept there will be much conflict.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to me that is pretty elementary form of confusion that most people don't actually do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to know where the ideas belong, proper perspective, also a spiritual study'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but a God is sort of in the same category, maybe abstract, but something you love'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something to aim for is for government to leave religion out of it's administration and be fair to it's citizen members, and vice versa - religions have divisions'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you don't have a daughter, but you love children, you work for other people's children'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not trying to diminish your beliefs, Chemosh. All I am saying that you are short-changing  yourself by giving credit to entities that might not exist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe you think, my job will make someone's child happy, which would make me happy'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you hold the God who loves children to your heart, and work for that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's called sublimation, Cambodia.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is that God fake?  if you work for it, the effects of it are real, through you'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you are a scientist, you have to be able to know that for what it is and tell it apart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'proper thought is indeed an artform'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe i'm short changing myself though'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm getting drunk as shit though, that's true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the god would be rather conflicting. The god that loves children causes tsunamis? What manner of entity would do that? Again, the   anthropomorphism is just too much.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and being a spiritual person is being a scientist, at the root of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug enthusiastically high-fives Chemosh!
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah that's the wrong way to do it anaristos'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people are confused on the nature of God, doesn't make it not worthwhile or true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'high-five to the getting drunk? :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people don't know shit about science either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I am halfway through my 40 right now as well :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, god may exist but he if so, he must be subsidiary to the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure thing, but i still hope that we'll be alright'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the shape of your container dictates what the world will receive of God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so having a good container, and right knowledge, is essential'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is important as well'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the container is what is, only the container has control over itself, as much as its nature allows it to have.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, we can only do as much as we can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'japanese society has been very evil for a long time, as far as to themselves and their innocence, as to the worlds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you do your very best'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because you love it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you get your facts straight'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because getting it right is important too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people posted comments on british columbia being flooded on cbc website to that end'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you learn to synthesize both of those things, and then you can be something really good to the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the container can't know just how far it can stretch, either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just go hard and see how far you get, and that is called faith'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think the biggest problem for are small minds (compared to the container) is the we want to understand the nature of the container. We can't, to do so we would have to be extra-natural, which we can't be, by definition. So we can't perceive a container where existence can't be measured. We use things like "eternal" to describe the container, but that's because we have a "time" sense, not an attribute likely to be had by the container. If we can give human traits to the container for a moment, we can say that it is not concerned about how long it has existed, that is meaningless to it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but pretending to know just how far the container can go is not a useful idea'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just have to keep stretching it, and if it is good then keep it good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how you focus the act of maximizing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is the biggest cause of godliness. The eternity of the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as far as eternal goes, you say, I will get as big as I can forever, even if my meat doesn't last that long, if it did, I would keep working it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there must be a god because something must have constructed the container.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is an idea of commitment, more than an objective concept to quibble about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you will get all you can, when you aim that infinite loop in that direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the idea that the container has always existed boggles the mind, literally. But if the container was built, who built the builder?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the builder was built at the same time as the container'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and so, the builder and the container are one.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OM'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nice job there :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the container people're using today in the form of this stuff here is going to end in death'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this isn't regulated to this here that we're doing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and since time is not a factor, the container is now as it ever was and will ever be and it is still in its moment of creation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you are seeing time in a truly practical manner :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, the objective qualities are still there if you ever want to examine them...logic isn't excluded, as we've seen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you exclude nothing, this is how you see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does address the problem nicely. But that follows from the idea that data paths are static.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'working the idea to find the crux of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all roads lead to OM'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can imagine that the container is located and some N+1 dimension. View from that vantage, the container is absolutely static.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a mathematical sense, yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as static as the people pictured on a photograph.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think more like a timeline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you hindu cambodia?  i seen om'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even though they might seem to be in motion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the timeline is static from the eyes of an ultimate witness'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, what you work into your future regardness is part of it as well'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so on your end, you work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and on "God"'s end, it has been written'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so free will and predestination are both two sides of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'neither one is false'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the future is just is reference to our configuration. What it really seems to be is the endpoint of over the summation of all the data paths we have explored.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but all you have to worry about is getting it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let the timeline be what it will'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'quite predictable, actually. If we could  remember all our choices.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'have faith in God'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ooh that must sting a little :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you try to control the world around you, and don't relinquish the fact that this world controlled your mother and father and humanity before you can data path them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I believe they are all in your brain, not necessarily in memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the problem, just being in control of the ignorant and knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, the "world" is the sum total of all the interactions within.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'certain of your patterns are how they are because of events that you don't remember as memory, but if you investigate your own patterns with discipline, you can see how they got there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you can "regain" memory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'maybe not absolutely perfectly every moment, but it is a sort of asymptote that you can hew to with a surprising closeness, if you really work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, by the time you analyze the path the future will have already happened. I do believe that the future is properly encoded in the present, we are just not built to perceive it.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as a drummer, I have to have an expanded time sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to perceive the past and future as I play in the moment'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to manipulate what I will play based on what is being played'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is in a way the art of it summed up nicely at blues jam night, with beer and music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, but when you do expand your sense you switch modalities, you use a different configuration which doesn't help you, for instance, to avoid getting run over by a car while crossing the street.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nah, you pay attention on the street to everything, and you look into the future'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the more you pay attention to the moment, the farther off you can see'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the easier you can move through the traffic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that some people try to recover lost cambodian treasure and things in mekong river though, that's science - i have nothing against science, it's just when science denies the spiritual presence of themselves and the unknown that it bothers me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if your mind is weak, your instinct will save you, but if you take some of the stress off of the instinct, you can think better'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'modalities don't co-exist, you are in either one or some other.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that whole thing, Chemosh, will have to be worked out in the future...that will take time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the follow different rules of manipulation of data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are commonalities I believe, certain activities which encompass more "broad" commonalities'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'those can be learned of, and applied in smaller forms throughout your life'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like my drumming, everything in life has a rhythm as well as the music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious of rhythm is being conscious of movement and time, which can be applied to many things'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but playing the music is one of the most pure, fun ways to practice a widely applicable skill'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmmm, if you suddenly begin to sense an far event while you are shaving you will almost certainly cut yourself. If you concentrate on shaving you will not perceive the far event.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no there is a middle ground there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn how to find a fine line'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'part of you perceives the future, part of you is shaving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think so. A middle ground implies that you are not really doing either well.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'obviously, shaving is more important there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you have shaving down, as long as you are doing it right, if you have extra mental energy, you can poke around in the future or past a bit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the most bare practical point here is how important it is that you don't cut yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in this case a minor nuisance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you were defusing a bomb to save lives, you would probably just tell the future to fuck off and defuse the bomb'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'however...honing your future sense means that you can see the "pockets" where the other part of time doesn't need to be worried about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, you know that nothing important is going to happen in the next 20 minutes, so you can just focus right on cutting the green wire'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO NOT THE GREEN WIRE!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia smiles happily.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the far-seeing modality is wired differently than the cognitive modality required for shaving. The habit of shaving is punctuated by a burnt path, and if you can usually see far events, that also would be a burnt data path, they cannot run in parallel because they would then be the same path.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no many paths operate simultaneously in the mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'my parallel I mean, the same burnt channel.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man you are a workout for my logic but I am going to keep up here :D'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the brain actually has many different sections that operate simultaneously, I have found'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, parallelism is the key to how the brain works, this precludes different modality from co-existing.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one part grumbles about work while the other methodically serves the food'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'another part appreciates the hot chick who walked into the restaurant'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious is a constant practice of balancing them all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that I cannot tell you how to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would seem that they were overlapping, but what is really happening is that you are vacating one modality for the other, and then switching back. In a case where you are trying to related to a far event that thread would be lost.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'What you do is based on what portions of the brain are being used.  You cannot, for example, rotate your left wrist in a clockwise fashion and at the same time rotate your right ankle in a counterclockwise fashion because the same parts of the brain are being used to control both movements.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure you can hans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ohhh I see what you are saying here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, try it.  You'll find you're not actually doing them at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one processing center, though admittedly, there is much parellelism.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you can only consciously hold one part in your mind, the back of it is parallel, but the part you control is serial'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so even if you are doing both at the same time, you are switching between and sacrificing one for the other because of the nature of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is that right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only modality when can consciously control is the cognitive one, the others, by their nature, are spontaneous.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, you can consciously operate multiple parts at a time, dependant on which components of each task are being used.  If Component A of Task X is already being used in Task M, you cannot do Task X at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes, as a drummer I control 4 things at once'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a wiring of instinct'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one part is in the front of your mind and the other ones operate in the back'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can learn how to manipulate the "back" part'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not the same as being all up front with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a tricky thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they have to be related. A mystic in a trance can't be aware of driving a car. He is either aware of his current mysticism or he isn't.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, no, that is a strange muscle that can be worked'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'subtle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you drive the car in a trance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a hard one to talk about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the modality views the container in a different manner. So you can't mix modalities.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just learn that the part of you that is "focusing" is one part of your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a modality is a way of connecting data paths.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the part that isn't focusing, you work in a different way, that isn't about "normal" conscious effort'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like singing along to the radio while driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if one is going to be sacrificed, it's the radio'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you focus on the driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic for instance, views the container without regarding it as a metric. So in that modality you can't drive a car which requires awareness of  time and space.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but when the focus is good, you can sing along also, so when you have confidence in the focus, you can expand it a bit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that was strictly true, there'd be no accidents. :P'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a real psychic, knowing time and space, focuses it in a normal manner when driving because that is what works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'knowing that you can get the other extreme when you need it, you just don't worry...wait till you get home to do your psychic thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the meta art of managing space and time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic modality can't measure, it sees all positions in the container as being one. That is how a psychic can acquire knowledge that conventional would deny. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet there is an order to events that must be understood in order to actually work it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can see your day on a timeline, and then you still have to get up and go to work etc., in a linear fashion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a psychic doesn't know when is the perception or where.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn to "peek" at the timeline, imprint what you see, and then forget it and be normal'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too, takes practice...it's a very exhausting thing working your space time perception like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only be switching to cognitive modality and analyzing its memory it can arrive at a locative conclusion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being psychic isn't about having no logic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but during the event it was not aware.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's about using that "timeless" sense to inform and enrich the sequential practice of events'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'during the event it was not explicitly focusing on the timeline'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, if you could see it all, and then you had to forget it, you could leave little post its to yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'agreed, all I am saying that while under a psychic configuration the mind cannot perceive time or space, therefore it cannot drive a car.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like you see your day, you say, 2:00, brain, remind me to go to the dentist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you forget your all seeing vision, do your day, then it gets to 2, you think, shit I need to go to the dentist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you do, you already do that, but being conscious of where that all comes from is what it is about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the end, you still do your day the same way as before, but you know how to manipulate those cues'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's not being psychic. I do that all the time. In fact, I use the trick of  counting down the seconds until the "alarm" goes off.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, being psychic is like being an athlete'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's included in the cognitive modality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just enhancing a faculty that we all have, to a point where you get good enough and people say, "you're psychic"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when did this turn into the fantasy channel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not separate'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a long time ago sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious of it, though, means that you can utilize it, which takes practice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not easy, and it doesn't matter if you are "psychic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just knowing how to mix the timeline with the performance is something that you practice and use'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I agree. Athletes operate on a different modality, in fact, mastering of a series of movements forms a modality, though a limited one. We call that "second nature".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'makes your day smoother'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but being athletic, where I would call you an athlete'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is the same faculty that we all have (moving our body), only much more enriched'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning how to harness all of these properties that the mind can have, and use them harmoniously to do more, is being a "psychic'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but even if you are a master driver you still need relational input, which you can't accept during a non-cognitive episode.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, so you don't have an episode when you are driving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have the episode, then get in your car and drive like a normal person'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you learn to trust the faculty even if you aren't staring right at it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, which was my point.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they still blend, just not in a sense that you "see" them blending'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it doesn't look like that to you when you do it right'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nevertheless, it is being done'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a tricky one to swallow but possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it's a fluctuation not a blend.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whichever way you want to see it that makes them work harmoniously and practically is the right way'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have my own way of working with it which isn't relevant to you, just that the concept is practiced'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'use your own words for your own brain to get the result'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just can't accept that you can accept non-metric data while performing an act based on metric information. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it doesn't *look* like accepting it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it looks like...inspiration? I guess'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really this is a very subtle point of practice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it gets slippery at this level'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'words start to sort of fall apart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I myself, play dreams and images when I am playing music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how, in my brain, I manage the two poles of this thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Spreading more words of wisdom, Camb?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we are really talking about, it takes some contemplation so...all good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that if you accept a non-metric event while driving a car you will be lucky to survive the experience. Though the non-metric event can't be measure in space-time, the cognitive part of the configuration will make it short-lived in the interests of self-preservation.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hopefully'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying that there is a way to do it, but you don't *do* it explicitly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they blend'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'only you can't even think of it as that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at this point, the concept, and to speak of it as it is done by people, the languages dont even resemble each other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is one of those things that can't really be spoken of yet is possible, only because of the nature of language and thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you're in it, you're in it, and I know, and no confirmation is needed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, ok, I accept "blend" to mean that the non-metric event occurs spontaneously and it can happen while one is in a cognitive modality. With the caviat that the cognitive modality is vacated during the event, even if the time of the vacation is not measurable. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you are still seeing the two poles of perception (linear and non-metric) as opposites with no middle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying, there is a middle and it defies description in any meaningful sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry, I can't agree with that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the experience cannot be meaningfully conveyed from me to you by words'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that's OK'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Did I just read someone say they can't agree with Cambodia?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum faints.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would require, in my opinion, to have multiple minds.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh come on Dak, that's not out of line'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'LOL'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the proof may be in the pudding someday'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have had the experience myself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a conversational setting like this it becomes difficult to talk about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but...that's the game'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when the shit gets Zen, words get slippery'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and while in a zen modality you can't drive a car either :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'playing improv music is a great way to find the joining point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now that is definitely not true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'zen is the joining point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which you say can't be true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I say can'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and which words cannot settle, only direct experience'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet, we are limited by words'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the topic will probably have to remain up in the air, believed by both of us as we will, until such time as a mind is changed, or whatever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but honestly you are a good debater'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have acquired some proficiency in ballroom dancing, I do things that if I thought about would land me or my partner on the floor face down. I can't imagine devoting my perception to a psychic event while maneuvering about the floor. I am disconnected from other modalities while engaging in the act. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there you go'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is where it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are disconnected'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not thinking of one or the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is my point, I am bound by that modality, and therefore I can't  operate in another at the same time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no that is where you aren't bound'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you really don't care'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are dancing with her and it all flows naturally'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and this conversation is the last thing on your mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I am getting at'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point doesn't look like the point'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are just in it and don't try to look for it, you find it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by the way I really want to take dance classes someday'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that must be fun ballroom dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are claiming that I am doing some sort of time slice processing. I think that the processing is compelled to remain in one modality for successful completion, if in the middle  of the act I interrupt the processing to do something else, the current task will fail.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, even subtler'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am claiming that you thinking about the act and talking about it right now is not how it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what you are seeing now is not the nature of how it actually works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you are dancing with your partner is how it actually works'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree with that,I am in a cognitive modality, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you aren't doing it is when you are doing it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the level we are speaking of'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your schematic that you are looking at as you type in this conversation is not it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when the music hits and you go, is it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'perhaps dancing is a bad example since its processing becomes mostly ganglial.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was actually a great example'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm glad you brought it up'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but proficiency means bypassing the use of the main processor.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the point of the koans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the main processor isn't the end all be all, even though when you use it it seems like it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the way to balance it is to learn how to forget about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but in a modality where you must perceive data, data which is not connected in a cognitive way, you can't perform cognitive tasks.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the processor is important'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to learn how to see everything, and then forget everything'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, then, you can't listen to one hand clapping while dancing :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that wouldn't be zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you just dance'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's my point!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and while you are dancing, you are listening'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even though you aren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you don't care and don't have to'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if the heard a fire alarm I would  most likely trip.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I eat babies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's because of the nature of how the processor looks to you when you use it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hopefully you are paying attention'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos passes Dakrum the ketchup.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that too is zen'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I wonder how they taste. Like any other human?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I would suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like pig apparently'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Hmm. Not bad. I may try it someday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just don't agree to your claim to parallelism, one cognitive state voids the other.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you see, when you look cognitively, it seems like how it all is really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and there is a whole other world in not being cognitive'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'BUT...the cognitive mind tells you that they are separate'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and THAT is still the cognitive mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you aren't out of it with that thought'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree with that :) I did bring up the notion of modality, after all :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you ARE out of it when you are dancint'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'THAT is how you manage the two halves'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am out of the cognitive modality, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'people spend years trying to not try to try to not try to master that one'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's fucking hard, I find that beer helps'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am not thinking about the properties of the container, for instance. If I started doing that my dancing would suffer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the container is in the cognitive mind'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, it is, or at least, its analysis.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it takes a lot of practice with introspection and observation to master this level'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes, the act of analyzing it is the pole'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the act of being in it is the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that there is really one modality.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and when you don't even give a shit one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you are in the middle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning how to manage them is soooooooooo very subtle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you mean by "not giving a shit" that you lack awareness of your modality, I agree.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you try to be subtle, you lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you try not to lose, you lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you can let your processor yammer in your ear and still appreciate your girl as you dance, then maybe you've won'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you try to win, you've lost'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I could go on unfortunately'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that the processing center accepts the cognitive modality as default. So that other modalities are functional intrusions.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, the nature of the processor goes way deeper than you speak of it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually managing the two sides of your brain'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is a feat'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that you never master'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we love you anyways, so you don't need to'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I speaking schematically, I don't think that the processor is localized.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ohhh ohhh getting colder!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I must be playful now in order to help you further'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tell me more about your dancing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, I have a very consistent view of how it all works. I admit that the map is not  the territory, but as long as the map works...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you have a girlfriend who dances with you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or do you just find partners?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which dance do you *really* know?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at the moment I don't have a steady partner. But I did have one once, and she was my girlfriend. We learned together.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that must have been fun'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was a blast :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shit yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I bet after you danced like pros, you went back home and really danced'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we would walk in a club and dominate it :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia enthusiastically high-fives Undertaken Anaristos!
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what was your dance?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is much to be said for moving to music.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh God yes I fucking love music'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like my profession'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, we learned ballroom dancing. As it turns out, that allows you to dance to 95% of all dance music.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whenever girls are dancing on the floor to our blues, I watch them, and play to them so that they can dance better'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'real subtle adjustments you know?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean like the waltz or what?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could  go  to Tennessee, California or New York and look good :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, did you ever win an award?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, we could dance to a waltz. It's all in the underlying beatl 3 ,6 or a syncopated 8 beats.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah the blues goes on 12/8, I know that feel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since a waltz is 3 beats, it's a cinch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to learn the tango'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the steps are all variations of the same fundamentals.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the pattern is simple'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Tango required some modifications but the underlying training served us well.  We could do it,  but we weren't that flashy :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but once you pick up a few of the basic patterns, you can kind of improvise'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, that's how it worked. We heard the music and we danced and the steps  just worked  out.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man, I started playing out and I had to think so hard about what I was playing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now, I just love a drunk blues jam night and play it, and don't even have to think of shit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you hit it good it's so good'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most dance steps are based on the 3-step system. So for instance, if you took a movie of Fred and Ginger and turned the sound off and played some western swing music they would look in sync.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we would watch old movies for ideas :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so you could, like, dance in your favorite movies'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'watch them, and then go there and actually be them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, we practiced like that all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Dance with me was one of our favorite movies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man that is really awesome'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously I am just imagining all of the fun you had'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to learn the latin dances'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are SPICY!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we used to go to really out of the way places to dance, too. Once went to this place where everyone was over 60 :) We had a ball.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would say "show me that" and we would say "ok, you show us that" :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The truth was that in Los Angeles we were considered just a bit above average, but if we went to places like Seattle, they would think we were the gods descended :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Seattle is a bit full of itself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole grunge thing inflated its ego and it may not ever get over that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a great place if you don't mind the drizzle :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I lived there for a long long time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in fact, I practically grew up there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I moved recently but that is my old stomping grounds'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I considered moving there, the rain did finally kill the idea, though. I just thought I would end up seriously depressed. I noticed that drinking was a favorite sport there.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Denver knows how to get fucked up though, of all of the places I've been'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I spent some time in Olympia, too. That was very, very educational :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'educational?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there were to places where people hung out in Olympia (Lacey and Tumwater included) work and the bar :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well olympia is not that cool really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'during the weekend people would drive in from as far as Portland to party.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'why in the hell would you drive from Portland to party I wonder'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, but I had to do some work in Fort Louis, so it was an good place to stay.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'trust me, the weekend was an uninterrupted  orgy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then I missed out'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Portland has more strip clubs per capita than any city in the US'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the females outnumber the males in the tri-city area 3 to 2.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if you had a y-chromosome you were treated rather well :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know what, I lived in Seattle for like 25 years, and no one ever mentioned that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'retards'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I found that the two cities didn't really like each other :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's so dumb, now that I've been a lot of places, because there are so much awesomer places than Seattle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I wasn't looking for intellectual stimulation, at all!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haha'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just made some dance moves and the rest was history, as they say. They would even get into arguments about who would be my next partner :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and the those who came from Portland were women, not men :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I wonder why the ratio is like that there'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I never knew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh,that's easy. That's the seat of  government, most government employees there were secretaries.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'huh'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and why would you get a government job if not to hire hot female secretaries?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'To hire hot male secretaries.  That's what I'd do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly. Not only hot, though not all of them, but with a minority of males around.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'assuming a straight male sexual orientation, no one excluded'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their libido was rather high :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I never met a guy man in Olympia. Though I am sure they existed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well these days everywhere is friendly really'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I live in Louisville right now, and there seems to be a lot of lesbians here'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more than gay men for some reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's kind of artsy for this neck of the woods though so that might have something to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I guess some cities just have different make-ups. Personally, I think Olympia was odd in the way the women behaved. Reminded me of some of those movies with amazons in them :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where they'd just take a man and forcibly "rape" him?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not a place to take your girlfriend, I assure you.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not that bad. But they would mark their territory in obvious ways. Just the opposite of what you would expect in bars in other cities.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'never seen a city that was female dominated'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'next time you are in Washington, you know where to go, then. As long as the government is in session, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am definitely not going to overlook Olympia ever again for sure'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we never thought twice about it back when I was in Seattle'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or once even'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Psychics caused it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would never have gone there had I not had to, and I am glad that I did.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why did chris rock call the other guy a nazi in that hollywood movie?  while nazi's are even not said by their jewish reporters as being racist against black people?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that chris rock, needs some education'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think he was wrong, Chemosh. Nazis just didn't put Jews in concentration camps, they did that to other minorities, too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'significantly, they did it to gypsies.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you were there?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's just that Jews were the overwhelming majority.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi were invented after world war 2 ended by the KGB monkey side'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I got the T-shirt'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they burned all records of their criminal involvement and implications never reach the shores of public thought after their dissolution in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '"I saw the horrifying deeds of the Nazi Empire and all I got was this stupid fucking T-shirt"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not going to debate whether the Holocaust took place or not, Chemosh. '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the stasi lives in chile'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chile is the enemy to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whether it took place'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've seen some people call that fake'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'have they never talked to the Jewish families?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews prosecuting 91 year old men in quebec accused of being nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that would mean that the Stasi and the CIA worked together. Since the CIA engineered the overthrow and murder of Allende.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do they think that they all just made up their relatives disappearing?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'under kgb evidence released in 2007, newly found!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the zog conspiracy'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jew idiots, leave our grandfathers alone'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '91yo would be a reasonable age for a living war criminal at this time :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know, honestly, I have a Nazi relative'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'He died in a "car accident".'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he was a Nazi lawyer, there might even be a movie made about him'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't, but my family is royals from germany'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where did he die?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war of 1917 is what we're about'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually we aren't sure if he was a relative, but the last name is not that common and the probability is high'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I forget, his last name was Stuckart'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he lobbied for the "forced sterilization" of the Jews, instead of their execution'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so he was a slightly kinder version of fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the med flies would agree that was tantamount to extermination :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet somehow that was a finer point in the Nazi philosophy at the time'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fear nothing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, he was merciful compared to the whole thing, but still a fucked up person compared to the rest of humanity'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the jews or the kgb i can kill them all if i want'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would you say that?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because he was still killing Jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just in a more underhanded, seemingly less painful way'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a godite, i'm a faithful angel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I was asking Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have been drinking, too.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'god who the fuck doesn't drink on here?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you don't, you're not getting the full effect :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about that :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't immortalize peoples is all, i can kill myself now if i try, i can go out and kill anybody within 3000 miles of me too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm north korea's jesus missile'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I like drinking and aarding'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except i'm not a communist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hand in hand my friend'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true for anyone, but I am just wondering why you are saying that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'communist? wtf is a communist?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause jews are racist against my life and i hate them for it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if it's only their master, quit following that master or fall with him'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'accusing Jews of being racist is being racist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't turn the asshole to injustice and say fuck me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you have to fight me for my ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then there might not be any me in the corpse as you fuck it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just keep a jar or petroleum jelly handy.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'accusing someone who accuses Jews of being racist as being racist is being racist'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, any attributing behavior as a function of the gene pool is racist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fight people cause i'd kill them if i started'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending what they are to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please calm down, Chemosh.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I know how to fight'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not worked up, darlin'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'every fight that comes my way is already won'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I have no reason to prove shit'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so let's get drunk'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I go and get a cigarette'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're all cool but I'd kick your asses so hard :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes is intelligence and you can kill anybody in 1 strike'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would engage in an existential analysis of fighting but I have a lot to do the next 3 months :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instinctual survival can put you in jail for life'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can go to jail even if you don't do anything, so...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much of their actions is what they are right there and how much is real?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see your jewish judges, i can defeat moses'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'ALl you need to do is to land on that nasty corner square. Or get super "lucky" and roll 3 consecutive doubles.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas sighs.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm jehovah's wendigo'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Once you realize that criminal trials are nothing but a contest between opposing camps with only a loose relationship to the accused, everything makes sense.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want me to be'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can put force into the fight forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't fuck around and don't get fucked'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, good advise, Chemosh, but there are times when I don't mind :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course, faust proved things were wrong through negativity too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's your faith to remove your actions from your god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Faust was a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he should have remember that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'TANSTAAFL :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, go to jail for not doing anything'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll try and kill anybody who tries that'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need permission to go to the bathroom, Dakrum.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum guns it to the restroom.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if navy seals or marines are what they send on me or some other special forces i should just be out in the wild killing people i think are them right?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I wanted to kill people on a list for certain reasons. But instead, what's better than just a few victims? Joining the military and getting paid to kill whatever they command you to or whatever you "keep yourself alive"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have never subscribed the idea that if a group is after me I should harm another unrelated group.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'to*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the military would be better if it worked for me, cause i know who's a real threat and who's not'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum nods.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they think they know, too. Which it really all that matters. I mean, the dead won't argue that they were mistakenly chosen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'd rather be dead than alive. I really don't care.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's nothing in common between they think they know and me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter, Chemosh. The result would be the same and, as I said, the dead won't complain that they were mistakenly chosen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's people dying right now for a lie'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum raises his hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and because it's the honorable thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum falls down laughing.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what does their choice have to do with me?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's people killing them, because of the same reason'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your reason transcends satan so i guess you're ok'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Where the fuck did satan come from in this?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Satan would not try to kill me, if he existed :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Lmfao!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok folks gotta pick my friend up from work'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum bows before Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'kill nazis or whatever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have a nice trip :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you too :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a nazi '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tell me what i think'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'PSYCHICS DID IT'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a monkey that hates to throw too much poo but has too'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not as shallow as i know your picture of thought is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think being, or wanting to be, a nazi is a waste of time. Just about every ideology that humans have come up has been shown to be worthless eventually.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess you are above me, being the wall-walker and all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sorry if you are angry with me, Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'You walk on walls Anar?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've been known to bump a few, but walk them? No.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just fine, i was thinking of how my enemies want to burn me in a furnace and performe mendele experimentation upon me with some mutilation torture death'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't want to do that to you :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe chop my brain into pieces like a butcher and feed it to their god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'If you want Chemosh, I'd be happy to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Headcrusher, The Rack or the Wall?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever, i'll just wait until the time is right and kill'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I need a direct answer. If you want someone to torture you before murder, say yes. If not, then I won't do it. Plenty of other that'll volunteer.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll kill you before you can kill me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos bonks Dakrum on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum shakes Chemosh's hand.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I'll take that challenge.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you guys should lay off whatever you are drinking or smoking...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Sober.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then you should have better sense than to talk like that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Talk like how?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'In English?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but drunk, they're not all like me'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'about harming someone.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some nazi's are really friendly people'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Fishy Salvanas: 'nazis'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Don't act as if it's new to you. Happens everyday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'People are getting murdered right now or at least talking about it. Tell them something.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'come on jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we have to get our differences over with'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I watched the boy in the striped pajamas just yesterday.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can fight and whoever wins goes into a furnace'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am quite aware of what's going on. I just don't find  killing for its own sake a topic for discussion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'And why is that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Would you prefer drugs or the topic of good ol' "life" ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'full awareness helps'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't view killing as a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Rofl how can killing be a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Fishy Salvanas points all around at Aardwolf MUD.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dakrum sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'pol pot'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was a french invention, and the nazi's hated them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'its furious'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'vietnam might be socialist.. that's a god of the failed america'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'killing someone just for the hell of it can only be explained as killing being a sport.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Who ever said I would kill someone for the hell of it? Chemosh didn't even say that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'I agree with you. THAT is wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'Though no one was talking about that particular "reason" of murder.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the person who france sent to iran to lead them was also a french invention, who caused treatise against iran in 1978 - 1982'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bullshit, Chemosh. What the US labels as socialist is actually a euphemism for an unwillingness to kiss its ass.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'any country who refuses to join the loose US Empire is labeled as socialist or communist.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  that's true'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anti-semitism is the arguement against all common western sense'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I will remind you that Hoh Chih Minh was democratically elected, and that his government was recognized by the US. Before the French asked the CIA to help them get French Indochina back, that is.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, why trust a government of traitors?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'focus on somebody real instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mentioned that he was democratically elected to underline that it was bullshit to claim  that the US went into Viet Nam to halt the spread  of communism.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the usa has no grounds for it's actions except a jew told them where to go'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even so, why didn't the US ever attack the Soviet Union? I mean, one would think that if Commuism was so vile, destroying the USSR would be the logical thing to do.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada does the same, as everything else is an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with jews causing all of this , can a guy really blame hitler for burning them in ovens?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, one could.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was just trying to make sense out of it all'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dakrum: 'What did jews cause.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and his simple mind couldn't reason out your crimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'next you are going to say that since blacks refuse to return to the plantations they should be exterminated.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american kkk members weren't nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean there are different types of fascisms?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, some's nationalized, like israel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews ran the banks in europe since 1500'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's 500 years and counting'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, that's proof that they're racist mongrels that should be ignored until they insist and then destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you don't mind one or two families running the US oil. So you are not making your point. If you want to rail against monopolies that's fine. But to single out one monopoly based on race...'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'run for my life, i can hunt down all of yours instead'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll support islam until it decimates jerusalem'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it's not going to convert me to allah'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's going to be not my belief, and that's how it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, so since you approve the hunting of Jews based on the fact that they are Jews, do you also approve of hunting any group just because they are part of that group? Should "whites" (whatever the fuck that is) should be exterminated? I mean, it can be shown that members of that race have caused great harm to the world at one time or another.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fuck your jew god is what i'm saying, i'm not a jew and receive no benefits from it's worship'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'neither in this world or the next'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where did you get the idea that you were bound by the Jewish religion?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'go back to singing your racist songs...i like that better *Grin'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, the Jews don't have a god, they borrowed it from the Arabs :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews support the hunting of german's based on that they're germans'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they believe their genocide to be genetic, and maybe it is'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except it's because they're gonna die'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, though I am sure that some Jews feel as you claim, Nazi war criminals are actively sought because there is no statue of limitation on their crimes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'statue*'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh , and the us soldiers in the apache helicopter and the other 'unclassified footage' received good justice'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oops, satute* :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just shooting some random civilians like a nazi war criminal shooting some reporters'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are mixing your video clips, Chemosh :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just doing their jobs like a israeli soldier running over a woman from washington in 2001'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she was in the way of the job or progress of christ of lords, and they was running in the right wrong direction'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know about an Israeli soldier doing that, but even so, assuming that it is true, what does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it has to do with stephen harper's visit with the kgb's jew group in canada for one thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'puppet Zionist Occupational Government'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"Zionist Occupational Government"?!  I remember reading about that.  '
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the KGB was not a lover of Jews, so your claim doesn't hold water. The USSR was just a bit less active toward the Jews than the Nazis were.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It was much better in the original German.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stalin's daughter was married to a jew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he hated jews of christ of lord'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Stalin hated Jews, but what does that have to do with his daughter?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin probably was a jew'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we all have a bit of everyone else's gene pool. There is no pure race.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm more or less purely human, with genetic pools in white-land'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the niggers butcher white refugees in tanzania witchcraft'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you call the white  race, is actually a collection of mugrels.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the jews attempt to run the whole world with guilt'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mutts :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove your albino negroes are where i came from'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then say evolution is a lie and i'm not superior'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'albino is a condition has nothing to do with what gene pool one belongs to.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'When der Fuerer says ve is de master race, ve Heil, ve Heil, all over der Feurer's face.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not many sectors of the world that racists couldn't take control of if they want'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hitler was certainly a mutt. And Aryan is actually Indo European, as in Persian.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your mockery is only a joke of yourself'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't take my genetic makeup seriously, if that is what you mean.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'There were no white people in Europe before 1492.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know I am a mutt :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or, as J.K. Rowling would say, a "mudblood." :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestor was white in 900 ad, as was portrayals of jesus christ'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jewish people are white'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just hate non-jews'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Couldn't be.  There were no "white people" in 900AD.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'JC was not white, by today's standards. He was a brown skinned as anyone being born in that part of the world at that time was.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the blue eyes, really have to go :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I believe today we would call Jesus "Palestenian."'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they called him that then.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'blonde hair blue eyes sounds like something kgb jews would invent after world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it is actually'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The Jews in the KGB invented blonde hair?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the jews ripping off holocaust funds in germany in wall street and toronto'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He was Palestinian and spoke Arameic.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh yeah i was a victim they say, but they weren't'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever you say, your life is made of flesh and can be destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That sounded suspiciously like a death threat.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, Chemosh. The Holocaust may or may not have happened. I can't testify either way because I was not there. However, there are people alive today who were alive then, the overwhelming majority says it happened. Those who say it didn't don't seem to be sufficient high character for me to consider their opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts at himself.  Better him than you.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the obvious is threatening'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the 78 kills per aryan on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that should take care of the maggot populations'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil norway'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are no Aryans left, Chemosh, they vanished about 2000 years.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can acheive our potential once again'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or, rather, their gene pool was severely diluted :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they, i'm just a half-breed'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part russian'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, white skin evolved about 8k years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, got some leather?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the western march through Europe :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never hated jewish people without cause of them hating me first'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they all know you, personally.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their soul does'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'please'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the "Aryans" were such a superior race, they wouldn't have gotten there buts kicked by the Tuskeegee airmen.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fight the world'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're corrupt with you, we'll jump once you do at eachother'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I really don't know where Hitler picked up the idea of Aryans. Whoever turned him on to the term, misinformed him.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Actually, he called them "Herrenvolk"'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white-nationalism is a good thing, like the niggers in africa and the jews in jewland and the chinamen in chinaland'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are out of control, Chemosh. I am sorry to hear you say those things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rainbow nations are all puppet stringed by the ZOG'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're not diverse, only jewly serving'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Hate to be the one to break it to you, but a multicultural society will defeat an aparhtid society every time.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys are a superior race.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'multicultural is a supplication to the will of the masses anyways, if their will was in affect then they wouldn't be listening to their governmetn which is a tool of the racist governments'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a white man and am not a nigger'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not a jew either'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'donkeys smell like fart and steal your women.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, no, no... donkeys are a superior CLASS.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt that describe vikings also ?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my mom was a viking'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, vikings smell like victory'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be napalm.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women aren't interested in napalm, though.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, a viking who doesn't smell like victory...died.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was in montreal last night with my grandparents, and 300 hells angels with a few mafia don's showed up at our apartment, they stabbed my grandparents in the face, grandma and grandpa, and stole a don's jacket who resisted them, blood on it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'several times, i walked away but i didn't stop to fight them forever'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you should try it sometime, see how you are once you know how they are'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'My cousin is a Viking.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or, as they like to call themselves these days, "Danish."'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mine's a hells angel'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this division in forces was just a unlikely experience that is conceptual - but real to the person who lived through it'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm a dreamer you see, i have no quarrels with insanity'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Clearly.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys love tacos.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i got their backs'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'blood for blood'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody touches my immediate family even in dreams, and i automatically hunt them'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yours, or theirs?'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in reality i have endless connections, from US senators to chinese monks'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'http://bit.ly/JQMeuq'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you must be god'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'We are God, and we are many!'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Either that, or Satan.'
T3/r6/2012-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not kidding, i like people to think of reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I reject your reality and substitute my own.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i accept yours and my own too'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not even serious about most of that, except kiss my ass'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was i'd be out doing something about it daily'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only ass I'll kiss is Vince McMahon's.  The rest of you, I've got only two words for you...SUCK IT!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda gives you a defiant crotch chop!
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kgb ukrainian governmetn for the lection'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you all figure you know if you're an angel?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm like reverse video on some evil visions and it bugs me when people talk about things sometimes'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i had in mind's the only thing that made the kcats special from all the other things i killed'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'animal separation'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'what about ANAL separation?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'weird, you talk about angels.. radio alarm turns on.. mentions angels.  i'm scared'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the angles won today 2-1'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'which angle is that, 30 degrees?'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: '42 degrees'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had strange things happen to me too said fucked up stuff, but don't be affraid of all that if it's real, i was asking people who possibly know about it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'i know what you mean chemosh.  does it being real or not make any impact on your life?  '
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind conquers and doesn't be a slave, so yes'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'thats all you can do'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'nmake it what you want it to be'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have any shadow of grace to save me from reality'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'haha, i know right.  seeing things clearly is more painful than good'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good is painful'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'if all you can see is the eventual demise.. well life sucks eh'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for me it does, you live it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's a way of seeing how i see it'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'i am similar to you, seeing crazy things all my life.  yes im crazy.  but im notthe only one'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also claimed allegiance to the aryan race and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slethrin: 'oh you are also aryan? yes its part of being who we are ithink'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause i'm not jewish and i leave all doors open to possibility'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lol you said JEW'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, if i'm tormented on account of jewish racism then i'll become a neo-nazi'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'say the n word again...that had me rolling'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and discriminating between targets will become a figment of my imagination, which may or may not be accurate'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black person'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler gasps in astonishment.
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'they upset me dearly *girn'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and if you arent in america you wouldnt understand'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all i experienced of black people in my country are they tried to kill my grandmother, and they gave over 120 women hiv from one cfl football player'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'sounds about right'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to explain the virtues of your black culture then go ahead, because i can destroy you'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i will if you provoke me enough'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'me?  i hate black ppl rofl'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cracker please!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just the dumb ones i suppose'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I killed Treyvon'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'NINJA PLEASE'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american indians are off my target list and chinese people so far'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have no reason to attack them, but these others?  they own every kill i feed them'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea at least Chinese actually contribute to society...unlike the other race that dominates welfare'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im just tired of getting behind some fatass wefare N in the grocery line (happened again today) and they have to hold up the line because one of the items they bought wasn't covered by the food stamps so they have to go back and get the right brand of cheese etc while my ass is held up just wanting to buy my 12pk of beer and get the hell out'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'all the while knowing im paying for that bitches groceries'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, so you hate the welfare while you eat the money of the rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'so she can go home and feed her fatass more icecream and get preggers again'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's funny when you consider that they got away with over 870 billion of your dollars since 3 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'dont remind me or ill have to go get more high...'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'BUZZKILL'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't criticize poor people if you're not rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you are then i have an explaination for you'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im above average bc i studied in school and made good grades, got my degree, etc'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then be masterful and figure out where that 870 billion dollars went'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i couldnt get the awesome loans and grants others get bc my family was middle income, not poor, not rich'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd teach you if i was a real teacher and owned a real school'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'buy my loser cousin gets his whole education paid for while we are still making payments'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i definately put more effort into contributing to life than most of the other sponges i see around me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd see through your face though, and you wouldn't come to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your soul is example of what i hate, and your quarrel over 870 billion jokes is god to me'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wins all fights from jews to arabs'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'uh huh...so um...you lost me again'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im not high enough for this....just sayin''
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'brb *wink'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '<-- looking for jews to assist in redefining aryan cultural identity'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3000 jokes!'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i hate the usa'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul attracted a sizeable crowd at UT this week'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'John Stewart attracted a bigger crown when he spoke.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who that is'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Exactly :)'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apples and oranges though'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to compare draws for political rallies with draws for political rallies'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise i might as well say "ahh well, Manchester United draw 72,000 every week for their games, Obama couldn't draw that"'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsensical'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It doesn't matter.  What Ron Paul CAN'T draw is votes.'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on the other hand, you could point out that MU doesn't charge 35K for their tickets :>'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they almost do'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chaosultra: 'hello'
T3/r6/2012-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you know everything in the dictionary, do you know everything?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it better to have loved and lost, or never to have loved at all?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do you think that i'd have an easier time dating a catholic girl or a garderian wiccan type girl that talks almost endlessly about crystals?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, if you're in love with Cheetos, then better to have never loved at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'AND, its easy to tell if im left or right handed, but what about left or right footed?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage hmmn, i dont like cheetos... thankfully'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'One game of kickball will answer questions of footedness. Me, I'm left handed and right footed.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, so footedness is next'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ill find a kickball game to try later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what else was there. oh. rhavage. the girl'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Go with the Catholic girl. Maybe I only say that because I grew up Catholic and understand them more easily. Wiccans are too dreamily mystical for me.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah. well i'm mostly a pisces i think, so maybe mystical might be fun to try.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i didnt know you grew up catholic though'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, yeah, somebody had to. I was raised by nuns, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cool. i met a nun once.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she was very genteel, and took extra effort to listen to every word i said, before speaking in reply'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh heh. I met 'em every school day for 13 years ;)'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kind of the opposite to the sort of people i'm used to, who all talk at once'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage, cool.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my schoolteachers were mostly old women, some of whom still wore younger womens clothes'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I have very fond memories of the nuns, I have to say. Many of my schoolmates hated 'em with a passion, but I liked 'em.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage well, they seem nice enough, but i dont think i'd want to date one'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Probably a wise decision, that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nod, better to focus my efforts on girls that actually care about non kenosis'd men.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Isn't this where a 'getting into the habit' joke goes?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe, but i dont know such things.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh oh. What's kenosis?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kenosis, it's this greek originating phrase used to describe the process by which a fully god son of god can become fully man at the same time'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'basically its like becoming reduced/lessened'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'compare it to the word used when a catholic priest gets removed from the cloth'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Seems to me we've got a historical example of that.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but basically, most nuns only care about god.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then everybody else for his sake... ya know'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Defrocked?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'right, defrocked is like 'being reduced''
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i do believe that the reductive terminology is still used by the actual priests'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Rhavage's question.
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'More like being demoted, I'd think. Or even expelled.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, thankfully, the roman catholics have a centralized set of rules/codes to follow for such things'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it makes it really easy to read up on, its available in latin and english on their website'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it might be avaialble in additional languages, but those're the only two i checked'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage but basically, the general idea is that if a member of the clergy is reduced to a member of the laity, that its not a desirable thing'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If I read your original description of kenosis, I'd think that it applies pretty neatly to Jesus, wouldn't you?'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage that's pretty much why i mentioned it with respect to the affections of nuns'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'ok, good chatting... gotta deal with some rl now.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'good luck'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ill go remind myself why not to say god speed to people who're evil... *waves*'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Lawn mowing doesn't normally take too much luck. Luckily.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'lawn mowing takes a lot of luck, a blade could chip up and poke out your eye'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its all fun and games until somebody loses an eye =('
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which is why I always wear a diving bell when I mow. No danger at all.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, back later.'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surface to air missiles to be deployed in civilian buildings during olympics'
T3/r6/2012-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds daft or dodgy, i'm not sure which'