T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Drive is the new STOMP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10266256'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, finally confirmed, the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy will begin to collide in about 4 billion years.....gonna be one hell of a fireworks show!  Get out the lawn chairs!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'chance of collision even factoring in local gravitational attraction was less than .0001% or something crazy low like that iirc'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(as in even 1 single collision was that unlikely)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'However tidal forces are set to fuck up pretty much everything anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame the sun will be a huge red giant by the time the merger ends though.....destroying our view, and probably the earth by then. :('
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'pennies are useless and needlessly waste tax payer dollars'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'without pennies the dollar unit has no composite fractions though'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly important in the grand scheme of things'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just groups of nothing like nickels and dimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yes it does, there are still other fractions'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'theres no .001 dollar coin'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's dumb, they say in 1950 you could go to a restauraunt and have a beer and a full meal for a buck, is that what they call inflation?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of sorts'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yes, its inflating exponentially it seems'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is being encouraged in order to bring down the cost of government debt, and to decrease the value of peoples' asssets, thus allowing the megarich to garner and centralise resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'yep, been going that way for a while'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, who wants to buy a MacMan?  That was the original name for the computer, until someone talked steve out of that horrendous name for a pc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the name was eventually changed to iMac just before it started shipping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan crash-crash-crash-crash-crash  (to the tune of Ms Packman)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like it's getting tense up in Chantillie'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I hear there's lace there'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a pretty face'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of marines, secret service, cops, and others'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan :: cash-cash-cash-cash-cash  (to the tune of Ms Packman) -- Macintoshes were not cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr MacMan :: splash-splash-splash-splash-splash  (to the tune of Ms Packman) -- while wearing a Macintosh raincoat'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, Donkeys are what allowed humans to spread around the world, and create globalization and trade.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'camels did it better'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oh no...here goes Rizgoth again. Break out the Kleenex!
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemer!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1982, the video game industry made $8 billion in quarters from arcade games.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'whos noticed the anti union commercials on tv?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Millionaire households in the United States decreased by 129,000 in 2011, according to a new study from the Boston Consulting Group. Globally, that figure grew by 175,000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i watch very little in the way of whore media these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'a simple no would've sufficed'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I have one of those new hi-tech fancified TVs, the ones that come with it's own typewriter and a wierd remote control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'ok......'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I've got a recording computer that lets me skip quickly through commercials and save recordings for later consumption'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to ban those'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54dNHUefbCs&ob=av2e'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'dvrs are probably one of the few things keeping people watching tv'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'and good luck to 'em, mine's legal because i work in a library and use it for the collection'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need something to skip comercials for a library?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, you dont need a damn dvr to skip commercials....been doing it since tape recorders.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'why would I put a recorded copy of a david attenborough show into the library and leave commercials in it'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'because thats what god wants'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You will always be able to record tv to watch later, otherwise tv will go away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'obviously'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't, it's a breech of copyright'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hope they manage to stop dvrs, cable TV is the worst thing that ever happened to people'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'we used to do it via tape recorders, then dvd recorders, this is the next step up'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's a educational library, we have a license to record and use televised material'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from every channel? that must've taken some sorting out'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a few years once magnetic drive technology has peaked, we will have crystal optical memory, something IBM has been working on since the early 1990s.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have non-educational libraries?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'this one is in a school so it's especially educational. we only have like 10 channels here'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we will have both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'information doesn't educate, so you could say a public library is non educational :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could use a 2 TB dvr or larger, dont really like using external drives to add storage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, 110 baud rules!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever you say, grandpa'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about 300 baud ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '300 baud is cutting edge tech!'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet that's what Rip Van Winkle said...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of upgrading to 1200 baud next week !'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reading about early computer technology is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how early?  Like Charles Babbage or more recent?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'late 70s, 80s'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know the Romans had computing technology?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the arabs created it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there any significance of the programming language Algol meaning 'demons head' in arabic according to wiki?  'Al Ghul''
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'daemon is a background process however they came up with the term, a haunter i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOrithmic Language...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'al gore created it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'beyond a bunch of nerds thinking something AD&Dish sounded cool, probably not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'algol's older than D&D i think'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOL is divided into 3 parts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Julius Caesar, Act I, Scene I'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yes, ALGOL is rather old. It's parents are COBOL and FORTRAN.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ALGOL and COBOL engendered PL/1 allegedly, but everyone thinks that FORTRAN played the milkman in that scene :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what happened to BASIC ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'BASIC was a language created to help students learn how to program. It was never intended for production software.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not true.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason basic died was that it was a bad language.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a primitive language. And yes, it is true. It was running in main frames before it started running in microprocessors. So it predates the "new" era.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gates is to be blamed for BASIC's continued existence. He put an implementation of it running on DOS 1.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's kinda like blaming Jobs for the AppleII or the Mac Classic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing to be blamed there, though :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gates consistently put shitty code out for people to buy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All computers in the 80s (when I learned to program) had basic on them. We can't blame gates for basic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it isn't that bad a language, just limited.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure you can, DOS 1 didn't come with basic. Someone had to put them there. As far as "all computers" I doubt that if you went to some installation run by an insurance company you would find BASIC.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most academic installations ran it, however.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, all computers I saw, which was everything from 8088 PCs to IBM Mainframes to CBM 64 or ABC 806/80.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are being generous calling an 8088 an computer :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We played games on it, did word processing and coded in basic and fortran.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a 'puter for me :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ick.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Errr, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but did it have the internet?  No.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if that's the definition of a computer, nobody had computers in the 80s outside of military and univ'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not a computer if you can look at some sort of porn on it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, can't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you don't count banks and insurance companies?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and service bureaus?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet they had/have IBM Mainframes, and I bet thtey had some little basic interpreter on them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the could have had Burroughs or CDCs, even NCRs, but yes, the smart bet is on IBM.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'NCR Spectra series was an IBM clone'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SDS series later bought by Xerox, was, at least, original.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '10 print Hello world'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '20 goto 10'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'run'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr smiles happily.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'did that suck or what :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, but it was easy to learn.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder what language is being used to teach beginning pramming today... I would probably go for python.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 's/pramming/programming/'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Depends on how young you're talking.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Scratch is the new Logo, pretty much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But for high school and beyond, Python would be an excellent choice, though I think a lot of folks are still stuck on Java.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess if you're gonna make sure someone becomes a good coder/never gets laid, you should start early, like 7-8 years old...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not that young :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ohhh... scratch looks really cool. I wish I was a kid again.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that if you ever want to be a good programmer, you have to start out with assembler. That way you can understand how machines work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav twitches nervously.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Assembler may not be the best way to start, but any good coder should do a stint with assembler, I agree on that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I love assembly language, unlike other languages there is no limit to what one can do :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't  agree with that, in general. Like everything else one will tend to produce the same code to do the same things. But, I know that I will never win that argument :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the internet keeps growing like it is....we might need faster than light internet connections someday!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or less dramatically, more pipe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'bigger trucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have reached 109 terabits per second using 7 fiber cable'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NEC has done 101 terabits per second using 370 channels on 1 single fiber cable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'backbone traffic is increasing 50% a year though....and speeds are just barely outpacing traffic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'New applications become possible when speeds increase. That's why all new capacity is used as soon as it becomes available.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like my fios though, never going to give it up....35 megabits per second up and down....and 50 mbps this summer if I want to upgrade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'connections are way more expensive in the us than they ought to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are many reasons for that. Sparse population is one of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is also much larger than most other countries with high speed internet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lousy excuse, unless companies are required by law to wire every little village in the middle of nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I just ran the speedtest and got 19.07Mbps'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You'd expect internet access to be cheaper in dense urban areas than in rural areas, don't know if that's the case in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When verizon was rolling out fios in 7 major cities....they spent $40 billion, and have spent almost $90 billion so far wiring even more cities'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can pretty much get fios almost everywhere in the dallas fort worth metroplex which is nice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ATT uverse also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly certainly isn't nowhereville, boondocks county, but it costs 40ish just for a pretty basic connection'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay $89 a month for my tv/internet/phone bundle'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I pay 12 euro for a 100 mbit connection, I think that's a pretty normal price for europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, there's certainly something wrong with the us market'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, europe is much more densely populated than the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most small towns have only 1 broadband company....so they get screwed with 1 megabit per second connections for $40 a month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I live in Sweden, not very densely populated, but Internet access is still cheap-ish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there're two providers in my building, and I still get screwed like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or you have to live with satellite internet.....1.5 mbit for around $90 a month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I lived in a place like that, I'd start an ISP.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the reasons is that it seems that they both cabled the place. WHY?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually a building makes a deal with 1 company to provide access....so the people in the building get screwed in price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So they both can provide services?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the owner of the building probably gets a nice fat check each month based on subscribers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, back home the govt builds the road. The bus companies don't all build one set of roads each...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In most of Europe (I think), the incumbant is regulated to provide DSL connections at cost to other providers for resale. That's been driving prices down.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the fact that each company here has to wire homes separately is a huge market failure'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, start your own internet company, spend billions to wire your subscribers, and then pray those homes connect to your network, and see how much you spend. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you can charge $12 a month for 100 mbit speeds, and probably lose money, go out of business....and a company like verizon will buy up your wire :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's ironic that so many americans think that "free markets" mean that companies have freedom, when it really means fully competitive, with barriers to entry and exit as low as possible.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, market failure... pretty dumb to have two more or less identical sets of cabling'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better yet, get the local govt to sell bonds to build a govt owned fiber optic network which is then leased to companies at a small profit, and have a mandate to keep the subscriber cost just above wholesale cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like Tacoma Washington....that is what they did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's similar to most sane countries, in spirit'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'internet needs to become just another utility.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't even need to mandate anything. As long as you're leasing the network to all comers, offering them the same deal, the market will drive the prices down'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once you remove the point where the market fails, competition will do the rest'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's funny that government offices are 'secured' by private security companies - if they are able to monitor that the security companies aren't breaching their security, then how come they had to hire them in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen stickers on windows and stuff, that just seemed funny to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wolverines!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully it's not all of them though, otherwise the government really doesn't seem to be the main authority in the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say internet is a utility, been for at least the last 3-4 years (again, in europe).'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in most developed countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's intelligence games they play, or something, public trust in private enterprise, levelling the government to professional business in the nation, cause they're both secured by ADT or something'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the problem with eurasians discussing stuff like ISP/broadband infrastructure, is that the population density between the US and eurasia is extreme orders of magnitude different...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for any sort of mandated (or not) federal offerings, east jabumfuck with 3 farmers on 987 miles of road must be just as supported as NYC'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that makes a lot of sense if companies are forced to cable every little nowhereville'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but are they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what you're now discussing WOULD be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like hell that is going to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you start talking about what "they should do", then yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want to pay taxes to pay for 3 people at the end of a 20 miles road to have fiberoptic internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the city govts can do it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cities don't have the issues you're complaining about'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give em 4g cell broadband and be happy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is there a reason it has to be the feds?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the issue I'm complaining about is that people are paying 40ish for shitty connections. At least in philly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the places in the US with good pop density do have plenty of choices and good speeds available'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Verizon is starting to offer 3g/4g Cantenna wireless broadband to fixed residential users in some rural parts of the country now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your building may...philadelphia isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. Most of the other students are paying about the same'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for 3gish stuff, philly has wimax providers'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You buy a $200 cantenna box for your house, and you can get 3g/4g wireless internet pretty much anywhere it is offered.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who provide the internet will charge people as much as they possibly can for it's use, depending if their priority is severing communications or monitoring them'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is the age of monitoring'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know how many have switched to wireless like that though... I don't know how the lag and speeds compare yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with greed held at an acceptible level to large user bases'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it does have caps though....the same as their data plans.....10 gigs for $90, kinda expensive...but if you have no other choice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'speeds won't compare to wired, unless the only wired options you have blow'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what... if it costs like that, what's the point...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'costs for clear are about in line with wired'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really solving the whole price issue then, is it...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if Clear manages to get out of bankruptcy :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If clear wants to survive though, they will need to offer a cantenna option to boost access through walls....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Today's USA - can't afford universal healthcare, can't afford cheap internet, can't afford good public transport...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have to wonder where all the money went to'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(rhetorical question)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'internet and public transport are the same issue...the high pop areas do have it fine'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fine, by whose standards? Certainly not developed country standards...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, $3 trillion of it went to fighting 2 wars for 10 years, and the associated private contractor costs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by any developed country with the same landscape'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the bus stops don't even have indicators of when the next bus is coming...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the subway is noisy and bumpy...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi complains about everything
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, getting canadian farmers off their land is a priority to the people JFK promised to protect small-farmers from, while in 1985 or so Sasktel laid fibre optic phone lines across the countryside, high speed internet is only recently available in municipal locations, so they wouldn't want to make people living independently comfortable with high speed internet, the priority of getting them off of their land is #1 - high speed internet will be offered after they are gone and whatever other purposes they use it for'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh no, it's bumpy'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is because people would break them in the US....it would be better to use an app via your cell phone to see when your bus is coming.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the airports suck'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they wouldn't have spent billions on it for not offering it would they?  apparently that's what they want people to think, that's it's not there at all'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt many would argue with that one'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have a septa app :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the airport at las vegas is awesome'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "the airports"...which of the 3,500 airports are you referring to? and what other country has them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't have a smartphone. The data planes are crazy-expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'plans'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must still be thinking of airports!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it just finished building a new $2.3 billion terminal that sits in the middle of the airport, and the only way to get to it is via an underground subway'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, 3500 airports, and can't even get a few decent ones?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of decent ones'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have you looked at jfk airport?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one in minn-st paul is nice also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am partial to SEATAC :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'jfk is horrid'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'chicago ohaire isnt bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'philly's airport is pretty crappy too. Hardly anything to do there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Zeirath.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've only flown outta jfk once, was like 15 years ago, don't remember it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the job of the airport isn't for there to be something to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'few places to sit down and connect to the internet. Sometimes it's hard to find a place to even sit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've never had a problem using airport wifi in phl'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, airports were around before the internet and people managed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'flown out of it a dozen times'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, all the lounges in the airports I have been to had free wifi internet....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I only used the philly airport once. These days I fly out of jfk because nw was just too horrible. I'm not sure a us airline would be much better, from what I hear'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most us lounges don't let you in unless you're a frequent flyer though... For the casual traveller, it seems you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"sometimes it's hard to ..." and "only used once"...doesn't compute'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how long you could live in a foreign airport before they shipped you back to your own country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more talking about jfk'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was a movie about a person living in a new york airport'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, tom hanks terminal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is NY, I mean going to say heathrow in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and doing it there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'before "terrorism" you could stay at an airport for quite a while without anyone paying attention :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the security people tend to be pretty grumpy too'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can you board an international flight without a passport ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt you can buy a ticket'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not supposed to'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but whether it's physically possible, sure, if people can evade security'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I figured they didnt care until you actually got to the country...then they either let you in with your passport, or not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't had a bad security guard/tsa experience yet (knock wood)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't board a flight without a boarding pass and you can't get a boarding pass without a ticket, and I don't think they will sell you a ticket unless you can debark at the location.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they check your passport at the check in counter, then at security, then at the gate'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if you forget your passport, you're pretty much screwed unless you live near to the airport'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, so get a passport....use it to get to the foreign airport, and then 'lose' your passport while in the airport.....and see how long you can test their stay policy without leaving the airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I haven't had a bad tsa experience yet either, but they mostly seem pretty grumpy compared to, say, the germans. And certainly the japanese.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can't leave the airport :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'woman I work with's neighbor just got stuck in ecuador for a bit cuz his passport & stuff were stolen a day or two before coming back from a year studying there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there seems to be a fetish pornography category of people being strip searched at airports, hopefully that's not how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once you exit the plane you have to pass through a checkpoint where you must present your passport, so, you are stuck at step 1.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is the whole point....to stay at the airport as long as possible before they force you to leave by paying for your return ticket :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but first, a stint at an ICE holding cell :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people still buy one way tickets?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would be in heathrow, not a US airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt ICE has jurisdiction over there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ICE-equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I bought a one way ticket when I first came here to study. I wonder how many of the customs people were suspicious'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you have a 30-day visa and you buy a one-way ticket, they are going to ask you :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but in the US you might get away with it if you don't have a very deep tan :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my first visa had 4 years on it. My current one has 5. Some students from certain countries have to get a new one every year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must have a very light tan :>>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess you will just have to do it the normal way.....go over with your passport, stay whatever limit they have, and keep extending it if you can before they boot you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would make an interesting experience.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, they regularly give student visas for as long as we need, at my country's embassy'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what're you DOING while staying? I think it'd be a boring experience'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could start a living at the heathrow airport blog.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it all depends on your last name, too. I can't travel in the Southwest US without being flagged and checked every time. Even when I arrive at the home airport.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're pretty relaxed there, in contrast to the horror stories I hear of people trying to get visas from other countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that'll be the day when I start blogging :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'btw, the Terminal is one of my fav films.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'depends on the country. In 1997, if you had enough money, you could get a visa to the US very easily in Hong Kong :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the luggage carts to get money to buy a whopper is classic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose if you've a name like bin abveruzzavahd or something, they'd probably be more wary...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the best name to have is Smith (but not Smith and Wesson) :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would be surprised how many non terrorist names are on the no fly list and prevent people from flying anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is almost impossible to get off the damn list.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'idk... im matt smith and I get flagg every time at the airports I swear'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can they boat, or is civilian boat travel mostly just for luxury cruises now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a Spanish surname, you are tagged in the border states, but if you have an Anglic last name you are not tagged in the northern border states :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with all the crap people got to go through at airports now it's probably a better idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dunno, my name's pretty German, my dad doesn't seem to have issues flying internationally'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I once got searched at frankfurt because I forget to take my wallet out before going through the detector. sigh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if Germans didn't have any problems traveling in the US during WW II, why should they have problems now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and Born in East LA, great movie ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I got tired of the whole bullshit, so I got on the priority list, no more waits for TSA to get off its ass, I can zip through.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, as long as your naked :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I pity the woman who tries to smuggle a vibrator in situ :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wish they extended those priority programs to non-americans. I guess that might be too much to hope for'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can get on the priority list if you are willing to let the FBI do a background check on you, etc before you go...then you are on the prio list for 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all non-americans are terrorists, by definition :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't mind, but last I checked, it was only for americans or something. Cant even remember what it was called'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, wonder if my dad did that when he was flying all over for northrup'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the we-are-better-than-you-are program?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well....we are :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no-furriners-"please" program!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Northrup was gone by the time TSA came into the picture.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if he worked for northrup, he would have already been on the list.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'northrup is a large govt contractor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know what Northrup is :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'northrup grumman is still around, couple of my aunts still work there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am a CA resident :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but not the old Northrup.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I always see you talking, Rizgoth... I'm just curious. Is Riz one word (What is Riz?) or is Rizgoth a one word?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer the northrum that built the moon lander.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'northrup even'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'TSA was around when he was flying all over installing flight simulators for northrup grumman'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rizgoth is the name of the city I buil for a different mud a long time ago, been using it for a char ever since.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's pronounced Rive Gauche :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'ohk .. That's cool. Thanks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, Abe. It seems that they've been quiet a long time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see Grumman all the time when I am home. They have a building near LAX, but I never think of Northrup anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the TSA personaly....I just want their training to improve....so that like the Israeli counterparts, they can look at someone and know they are a terrorist :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I know they've been busy selling flight sims to UK, italy, germany & israel cuz he's flown to all of them multiple times to set 'em up ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and all those countries trust US military hardware :) They have to know they are backdoored :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to the other places to get the hardware...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Here in Africa, Muslims is slaughtering the Christians.. The amusing part is, they both worship the same god just a different name to their god... That doesn't include Jesus.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avocado is yummy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Christians started the slaughter way back when, so this is just the payback of the payback of the payback...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the division he worked for just does the combat training/sim stuff, not the "real" hardware'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be awesome if a simulator actually started flying :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I agree dude! Avos is the bomb!! Excellent for breakfast.... Yummy. I'm craving for an Avo now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims and christians have been killing eachother for hundreds of years, it will only end once the participants finally realize how insane it is....it is like the hatfields and mccoys feud on crack.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'vengeance is always pleasant, never bitter. ... Utter insanity and sadistic nature, yet so creative and artistic, always original. It's own marvelous design. Driven with such passion ...it makes me turn on(G) hehehe.. But, the point remains, no matter the vengeance, it's still the same god they slaughtering each other over. I wonder what the other gods or goddess are saying about this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's funny that jesus never killed anybody in the gospel story, but people claim people who kill in jesus name are christians'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, depending on the exact natures of the crimes, that they are really biblical from the gospel'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'lol.. Rizgoth. They are all deluded.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you go through the entire bible then you can possibly find a biblical grounds to commit any crime you want'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'killing people is a very effective method of population control :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'so are plagues and diseases :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too random :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but those are easier to stop'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'idk... small pox did a good job'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but to chancy. Just charge some neighborhood with having a WMD and the bring in the troops. Don't forget to give them a Posse Comitatus waver :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'China is over populated... Gods! Best way to control that situation is by taking about 500 hundred cocroaches infected with radiation into the cities...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'http://www.oddee.com/item_90608.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks for making my point, zeirath ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem is being handled very cleverly by the government. They have sanctioned homosexuality. It seems that since females are being killed at birth in too great quantities there is a high excess of males in the population, which are looking to each other for comfort in the small hours of the night :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 1917-18 flu epidemic could have wiped out the human race....we were lucky.....next time we might not be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'was that the spanish flu?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't agree with that, Rizgoth. Somewhere on the planet there would have been sufficient immune ones  to keep the population going.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are thinking of spanish fly, Zeirath.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'The epidemic in London? It was huge back then. Billions died...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tell that to Ebola affected villages in Africa.....a virus that deadly could wipe everyone out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yet, there are people still living in Africa...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because the virus killed faster than the people could move to infect others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so as deadly as Ebola is, it hasn't managed to wipe out that continent.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the bubonic plague, as deadly as it was, didn't manage to wipe out Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even a bad version of Anthrax could wipe out billions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need billions to continue the human race.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what they found in autopsy of that insane man from miami who did that horrendous crime, they did mention milk cows in california being tested positively for mad-cow disease or chronic wasting (which can be passed onto humans)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'whats that stephen king book, where that plague is just killing like everyone'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather there be a zombie making virus....so I can have target practice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, your tv shows might be impaired for a while...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just one possibility that came to mind, that and maybe PCP (Angel Dust) which has been known to cause people to go absolutely ballistic too'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Stand'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I  would think that in order to kill the entire population of the world with a disease you would have to get them all basically in the same room :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about a month ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a man made super flu virus that wipes out 99% of the population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aha, but there is the 1%'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which will be breeding like rabbits as soon as it is safe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the rest live in las vegas and colorado springs....then the las vegas ones die in a nuclear blast.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rabies is another, rabies, PCP and chronic wasting disease, mental illness could be a little of it, but .. i don't know if people could go that ballistic with only mental illness or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'True. In africa is the most deadly disease but here in SA we have it controlled and vacenes. Accep for the illegal immigrant crossing the border. But, they don't get further than a mile before they got shot down or kidnapped and tortured to death by bandits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pcp did great stuff for rodney king ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kept him from feeling the pain :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was originally a pain killer i read, and then an antipsychotic'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and hella more effective than roids for a quick strength boost'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are illegal immigrants in SA? That's funny :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'charlize theron is the best looking south african I have ever seen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, she's ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's unpossible...she's white!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You run away in terror and horror!
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so she must be an illegal immigrant :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cackle gleefully.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps white people were there first, and the others came later! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'She was born in SOWETO?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'we have a lot of illegal immigrants... I see the police constantly chasing after them here in my neighborhood... Or catching them when they least expect it. Also, they get killed and make it look like an accident. In most highly poverty communities, the people catch them, including thieves, put tires around them hit them a bit and stuff then set them on fire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sounds like what they do in Texas :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be Arizona, not Texas....in Texas we put them to work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, Kinma, out of curiousity? How civilized is SA?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what I find funny about TX, NM and AZ is that the pople who they claim to be illegal immigrants are illegal immigrants because they had their land stolen :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US Navy is moving lots of naval ships to the asian pacific area.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you scared me, Rizgoth. I thought you were going to say they were moving the ships to Arizona. I just couldn't see the Rio Grande that deep :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey now, we offered to be friends with the mexicans...but they didnt want to be friends....so we annexed the land. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that is how land is annexed :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'SA is very civilised .. The crime ratting is just very high. It's clean, decent, and basically like every other country. Pretoria is the most decent and safe one. Cpt is most dangerous, and JHB is controlled by gangsters ... It just depends where you live in SA and in what neighborhood you are.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so out of the 3 capital cities only one is worth living in?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do gangsters control area's if they're not supported by the people who live in them?  i always found that incredible'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they are then they're just like a government yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will sell you cement shoes if you don't behave :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'just "local government :P "'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, just like Chicago :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, and instead of charging them all at once and working together to tear them down they live in states of collectivism fear?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to be fair, Chemosh. That's no worth than living in NY or LA :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'worse*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one thing that would prevent me from reproducing if i was them, their kids will be in the same condition.. perhaps more expendably as the population increases'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'go on to war and get rid of those kind of people from being the 'local god' and then there's more natural problems to focus on'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for the survivors'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'poor people reproduce more because that's the only entertainment available at a reasonable price :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still think it is kinda funny that the Republic of Texas claimed new mexico, but our santa fe expedition crashed and burned, and never even made it to santa fe! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, reasonable price my ass :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just not an upfront cost ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'in my own personal experience, yes.. Pretoria is one of the most safest locations. With the least crime ratting.... Just a sh?tty atmosphere across SA by races ... All the drama concerning Race it's all complicated.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't live in those places :)  i know about bullies though, i've wondered why people fear them for most of my life'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the basics of it, but they're not immortal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like this one story i read on latimes about a guy in colombia who manufactures manhole covers, and took it upon himself to track who was stealing them at great risk to his own life'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem with bullies is that you have to make sure that when you swing the bat at them, you connect. If you miss, it's curtains :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but he says he doesn't fear, and i envied that about him'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'In my own opinion, we should just start a civil war and get it over with. ... The blacks here is very racist and yet they make us, whites, look guilty by their leaders, they attempted civil war but failed. We can easily reclaim SA .. The president knows this. He himself is a racist but scared. If they loss, all their work gone to nothingness.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think a country's #1 priority if it's government wants any taxes is to make sure that people can conduct their reasonably (democratically accepted) lawful lifestyles without fear of extortionists and organized killers operating in and through their communities and governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I was black in SA, I'd definitely hate white people. Apartheid is too close it time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in time*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not like there's not enough people unemployed who could be hired to make that kind of stuff happen while ' they're focusing on their enemies abroad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's my idea's on what a country should be, honest from the top and accepted at the bottom'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what happens in a military draft, doesn't matter if you want to go to war or not, shoot or be shot x 10 million and counting'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with that, Ranrr, is that hating an abstraction leads to an unending feud. If you want to hate someone that mistreated you, that's one thing, but to hate someone because he/she belongs to the same "association" as the one that mistreated you can't lead to any good and it is not even justifiable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'would it require that many casualties to secure your own streets from the 'actual criminals' who make lawful citizens afraid to go for a walk?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whilte it is true that may whites were hateful in the old SA, you can't claim that they were all hateful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while* many*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just the ones in power'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which are no longer there :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You ever notice that most non european countries, or european descendent controlled countries rarely if ever do well once the european descendent lose control ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is a nicely put bigotted remark :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even if it is true though. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'There is a lack of jobs, it's almost epidemic here in SA. It's one of the main reasons immigrants are being killed. .. I do not know much of my own country because it doesn't phase me, they can nuke it for all I care... But just pointing out most disturbing facts. Perhaps if they consider bringin back the death penalty, crime ratting will go down fast and easily get everything under control. It's becoming like the "wild west"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they fail to do well because the Europeans no longer control them, they fail to do way because the Europeans, to get even for being ejected, do whatever they can to undermine them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do the Europeans trade with the former colonies as they would with other countries? No, they want a bargain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they trade with the US well }:>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the US pays the market price for oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US was never really a colony, it was a place where the crown dumped the undesirables :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're the poster child for doing well after deposing euro ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, that's aussieland'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no Australia was a prison colony. The US was like a leper colony :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US was where people who were pissed off at european govts went to to try it themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'look at the Mayflower roster, nothing but rejects.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'noone but africans or chinese were exiled/shipped/sent to the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the puritans left Europe as exiles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A large portion of the people that went to america did it to get religious freedom.. and land.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can call it something else if you like :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I call it what it was, unlike you'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, well , you call them that, I call them exiles :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of those early settlers PAID for their travel to get to the US, they were not exiled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone left my place...that's right, I kicked you out, you losers!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they got out of Europe because their views sucked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about revisionist history'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not so much to get away from govt, more church.. although that might be the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got plenty of european immigrants in the mid 1800's - early 1900's with advertisements of 'cheap land', even though the people who came had to develop it themselves, then over the course of the next century nearly all of them lost what they had'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I must agree that their religious freedom shown when they started acquiring slaves :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'shone*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US wasn't the only place that had slaves, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they hardly acquired them on their own...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nor were they the first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the slaves came from europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'africans sold africans into slavery....it was always about the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'slavery always is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Ranrr. But Spain, for instance, didn't make an effort to maintain slavery. But the end of the 16th century most slaves in the Spanish colonies were free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's very few landowners in america and canada now compared to what it used to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hordes of white people didnt go to africa and kidnap people, they didnt HAVE to, many slaved were sold to the traffickers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all got rounded up and moved into cities paying taxes for a living and buying everything at a store, looking for a job to serve somebody else if they're fortunate enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's good justification, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are more landowners in the US now than there were early on'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that because blacks sold blacks, whites were forced to buy them :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not saying it was right, just saying if you are going to blame someone, blame everyone, because it is everyones fault.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the whites were just fortunate enough to be able to buy them ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I blame the slave traffickers, their skin color notwithstanding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone is to blame, except the slaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims had slaves, romans had em, even american indians had em, pretty sure chinese had em, egyptians, etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Vikings were slave traders.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't argue that if whites refused to buy slaves, that slavery from Africa would still have flourished :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slavery isn't natural - that's what cain tried to show to god'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any country which didn't bother to have strict laws against it had it in some form'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many countries WITH strict laws against it still had it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the price would have dropped far enough that it certainly would not have been flourishing'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people gonna hate'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but far fewer incidents... You still hear of people being arrested for slavery'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is still slavery in haiti today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that is all true, Ranrr. But what  makes slavery in the US unique is that there was never integration of slaves into society. Rome, for instance, allowed slaves to become freemen and so did the Vikings. I have already mentioned Spain. So in that regard, the US not only kept slaves longer, but they made sure that even after they were forced to give them up they remained disenfranchised.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rich haitians with slaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"allowed them to become freemen"...the US didn't do that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and up til earlier this century, some us states were still jailing people on trumped up charges and selling their labour.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'till'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guess I'm fuzzy on the definition of freemen'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, actually it is tough to define that :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, us slavery (pre civil war) was worse than, say, serfdom, which used to be widely practiced'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I gues you could say that they didn't have an obvious owner?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or any owner...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so free men'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that would work. Since slave owner actually could produce title for the slave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"I bought you from Winky, the one-armed man back in aught-8"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and here is the paper to prove it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some Roman slaves were treated so well that they refused to accept their freedom when given. Hard to imagine, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'Ok.. Our fathrs was cruel, heartless towards others. It was war, we fought for land and dominance.. In war, there is no compassion for another, no such thing as "love" or peace ..or happiness for that matter, besides, happiness is simply a state of mind... It can be justified by their approval of governments. They brought it upon themselves, their actions made a chain reaction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder to what extent the emancipation proclamation was a political calculation not only to gain domestic support, but international support as well...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not hard to imagine...the same thing happened in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and lots of slaved ended up in the Roman circus as gladiators.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you make war sound mindless, i guess that's cause people take orders and are ordered not to think on both sides'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'debate and a lot of slaves in the US ended up in the army :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am Spartacus!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish you would put your loincloth back on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine how strong an army would be if it had it's entire half of a conflict doing the thinking towards the goal that they all know'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'few mines = dumber wars'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'minds*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a lot of everyone ended up in the army, but yeah...it's not a bad place for them to be given their stake in the war'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like those movies with maybe mel gibson in them, they're hiding in the bush doing fighting from the shadows, while the others line up on a field and shoot eachother'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the ones who thought for themselves had a higher chance of survival than the ones on the field'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the patriot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a lot of slaves joined the Roman legions, because it was the best way to become free, and then wealthy themselves since each member of the legion got a share of the loot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china used to be strong when it had higher social mobility than any other country. It lost its strength when europe became freer. Now that social mobility is slowing in the us, I wonder if it will be a good predictor of things to come...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, of poor people join the roman legions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of that is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'army's guaranteed work, vs being an unemployed slave, so yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it would have been fine had they had an integrated army. Being given the privilege of dying for your country while denying you the fruits of paid with your life...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, enough people have volunteered to become slaves over the years, for various reasons'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'credit card debt, home mortgages, etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, but there is nothing wrong with that,Abe. It's when you don't volunteer, that the problems starts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just indentured servitude...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who has to work for wages is indentured :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only way that that is not true is if one can make enough to never cover everything one needs and may want.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'indentured servants don't get to choose who they work for, what they do...people who work for a living wage do'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to always cover, rather'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I claim that the payers of wages are all interchangeable :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'having to work != indentured service'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i think that's a matter of opinion. In fact, one has to assume that the labor force actually has free will. Not likely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I claim that the queen is a 30 year old man'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just cuz you claim it doesn't mean shit :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a very depraved 30-yo man, look at what it has done for his looks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must be using meth'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's ok, if you believe in Santa Claus, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course I do: (K) (Glow) (Hum) A Christmas Gift Card (2011) (1)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he handed that to me himself'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have 3 from 2008, 2 from 2009, and 6 from 2011 :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who is gonna see Prometheus !!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '2 from 08, 2 from 09, 3 from 10 & 2 from 11 :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '2010 must have been a bad year for me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or a good one...most of the better cards don't need to be saved'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, john nash indeed has a beautiful mind'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are into that kind of thing :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You havent heard of john nash jr?  the mathmatical and economics genius who is also a paranoid schizophrenic ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he won the nobel prize in economics in 1994......'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And to this day, he says he still sees people who are not really there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I like galois' story better!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next they'll be saying that printing money and giving it to banks is a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, wait, they did that already'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Printing money and giving it to me is a better idea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if a bank you're bailing out would have collapsed without your intervention, you ought to own it entirely...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let it collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then remove fractional reserve banking so that it can't collapse in the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too disruptive'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let it collapse with tigernuts money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, riz, i don't have any'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'take it over and sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'physically impossible to sort out'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't why they're trying'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think that's what sweden did once'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is all an illusion anyways....just write off the bad debts, and move on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't seem to understand what "physically impossible" means...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nationalise the debts, privatise the profits'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't seem to understand what "sort out" means'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't like government bailing out private businesses much, they could just start new businesses couldn't they?  check this out -> http://www.leaderpost.com/business/plant+close+despite+bailout/6718779/story.html  The Detroit Three's automotive footprint in Canada took a major hit Friday as General Motors confirmed plans to shut down a three-shift assembly line in Oshawa - a move expected to wipe out 2,000 wellpaying assembly jobs and put even more pressure on the CAW to cut labour costs as it heads into bargaining talks in the fall.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so here they bail out General Motors to prevent job loss and stimulate the economy monopoly stuff, and then they fire the tax payers who's job was saved'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government paid $20bn for GM to move it's plants to China/Europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems idiotic to me, why not just start a new car manufacturing company'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good value for money'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know all about it, just little comparisons and tidbits like those :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high starting costs make it easier to save a preexisting company'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"In its defense, Facebook took a press-freedom approach, saying it did not need consent because sponsored stories were actually news, because all Facebook users were public figures to their friends." haha'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise facebook is an nsa front....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(from the NYT)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nsa spokesman said that the intelligence agency has to do almost no work these days thanks to google and facebook'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the intelligence data is collected for them by the people themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how interesting, you dont have to be a citizen to vote in the US anymore.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the State of Florida found 180,000 people registered to vote who were not citizens of the US...and the feds warned Florida to stop checking for citizenship.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds are complicit in it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every american should be suspicious of the feds, they're trying to render states powerless'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a significant proportion of those furnished proof of citizenship, I heard'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and others probably thought it was a joke and ignored it'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apathy and ridicule work in the feds favour'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder what will happen when a whole bunch of americans get turned away at the polls because they "aren't american"'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the powers that be are spitting chunks in anger at Ron Paul supporters upsetting their scheme'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe they should just skip that part and deregister anyone who isn't worth 10m'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America would be best served by the states declaring independance'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with scotland, wales, and cornish gamehen.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to be in tampa at the conference this year :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt they'll try and ban some states from sending delegates'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the conference of nuke cuba ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, mitt's networth is $250 million, go mitt!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's owned and paid for by goldman sachs and jp morgan'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jp morgan is my dad.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're the son of hitler!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put all your money in the bank of rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'your mom is my dad'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people calling for growth make me laugh'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vehicle windows should block UV radiation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it's a good idea to sterilize car drivers. That will ease  road loads the next generation...'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ban mothers driving kids to school, will sort out a lot of the traffic'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'YOUR RETARDED'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it just "littering" if you drop a bunch of bent nails in a parking lot? does that change if you own a tire store?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nah, if you own the tire store then it is call  laissez faire'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'it's so strange ... I did a little experimenting with a couple of things and one of them was steel. Did you know steel is attracted more to cold than warmth? But puberty, out of all the steel, warms up the quickest. I wonder why, but it's interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'There is also something that doesn't make much sense accept for one explanation I got. Let's say you hold cold steel inside your hand your palm becomes warm and the steel still remains cold. Perhaps it's the energy I'm not quite sure but gonna do more experiments. Maybe there is something really cool you can discover from it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'the temperature difference isn't that great, 65 degree steel vs 90-95 degree hand'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'try it with something like copper, which is much more thermally conductive, like on the order of 5 times roughly'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'something like copper you could almost get to the same temperature as your hand, or, the same temperature as your hand becomes from touching cool metal'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'haven't looked through all of this, but this looks like a nice breakdown of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ATAA Jek: 'http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermodynamics-t_36.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, the most expensive health care in the world, the US healthcare system is having supply problems of over 200 different drugs, and has been having supply problems for years now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2006 there were 56 or so drug shortages, in 2011 it jumped to around 250 drug shortages, and it is expected to be around 300 this year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't know why if they have a health care program, they can't train the people who provide the drugs to the doctors (along with the doctors) themselves, as an option to people - if they meet the requirements, then proceeds from sale can be invested back into the program and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wondered about that when i was reading some articles is what i meant*, that and doctors from foreign nations in excess made me wonder why something like taht isn't done'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't worry! The US is still number 1!'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, it seems alot of things could be done differently, maybe they tried and it failed and that's why it's done how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What on earth are you talking about ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are fewer companies making drugs today than 5 years ago because of consolidation, which means less drugs get made, and less drugs to sell to hospitals and pharmacies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like around new years they said they import the drugs used for lethal injections in the USA from europe, while they train chemists in america and biochemists, why wouldn't they save some money by hiring their own citizens to produce it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do have non-label drug's available, it's possible the government produces those but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until factories are built to make more drugs, expect shortages to continue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like this morphine distributor in quebec being petitioned by america/lawsuit which cuts down the supplies of pain killers to canadian hospitals, maybe they could have handled that as the government and not barted it to america, that would be something a private supplier would do, which wouldn't have to be hindered from operation by having a government competitor'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess that's possibly why it's not done how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is done*'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies tend to stop making drugs once they go generic also, leaving generic companies to make up the diference.  And there are fewer generic drug makers today than 5 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they said = bbc news article'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand that reason i guess, just with all the scandal surrounding health, drug and consumable products if they wanted to reduce the amount of money spent on people who monitor them while still retaining safety, they could produce them themselves and train their scientists to do it properly'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still make money from sales, maybe not so much at home as they could abroad, depending how high the standards are it might attract a big market'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i think of austerity measures they enforce i think of solutions they don't try which don't hinder performance'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you find it odd that most calcium supplement pills are imported from south africa?  i find it odd because of how low of a quality of life and high rate of poverty, illness and starvation there is over there'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's lots of dairy cows in canada and america.. you'd maybe expect they could produce something like that where they can verify how it's produced'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'calcium suplements have nothing to do with cows.'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of drug shortages, I wonder what proportion of pharmaceuticals are manufactured in the us, and how it has changed over time'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada.. they allow  a made in canada sticker to be applied to a product that's actually manufactured in china'
T3/r7/2012-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social engineering to the next level is what the looks like to me, maybe the nothing of them is produced here'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://timecube.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all reasonably quiet on the Bilderberg front'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'normal is having no personality, like disney's lemmings running of of a cliff and swimming out to sea.. even to be rebellious is behaviour copied from the system, which can make the most depraved actions socially acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of that?  is it about what it is, or is there things like the bbc article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18270547 under the absence of communism'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How cheap of the olympics to hand out fake gold medals to winners.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2nd place gets the silver medal...100% silver, bronze is 100% bronze, but the gold winner is gold plated silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to be able to claim I saw a UFO....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'go ahead, claim it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs at Rizgoth mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Interesting....most cities/towns in Wyoming have really low crime rates.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because no one lives there :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can fit the entire population of WY in some small town, USA.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A futuristic engine that uses dark energy to propel a spaceship faster than light is theoretically possible, and could revolutionise space travel, U.S. scientists say.  Good luck with current budgets tending to spend on blowing people up instead of science though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'oh, I found a great quote from Neil Tyson today - we (the US) spent more $$ on the bank bailouts, than we've ever spent in the past 50 years combined on NASA'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It will be the private sector that gets us out of LEO, though. They're the only ones who aren't heavily restricted by international treaties.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They tried to extend the restrictions from the Outer Space Treaty to private citizens, but the Moon Treaty wasn't ratified by pretty much anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not if they can't figure out the science behind protection.  We cannot yet leave LEO because cosmic radiation would kill us in the amount of time it'd take to travel to the next nearest planet and do whatever was necessary to set up a habitable base.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I dunno, it's kinda a chicken and the egg thing.  If NASA did at least some feasibility missions, it might better establish whether there's enough to motivate profit.  Personally, I think we may as well offer land grants on the moon/mars'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's what finally motivated exploration of the "New World" 400 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There's no way to reduce the radiation risk to zero. But you can get it to acceptable levels with passive shielding. Just putting the water tanks around the crew compartment would do a lot. Having a "safe room" for flares or other events would go a long way, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'phooey, just 1 medium sized asteroid would pay for the whole effort 100x over.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't last, though, and that's just a ton more weight you'd need to get into LEO.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Governments aren't allowed to claim or even offer land on other bodies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You don't take the water from Earth... mine it from the Moon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everything you need to build spaceships and stations in space, is located IN space....you just need to build the machinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And if you recycle the water, a fair bit of it would last the whole trip. The fuel would be consumed, and that'd offer diminished protection if used as shielding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we're starting to get the sci-fi materials now, like transparent steel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Unless china drowns in its own pollution, it will most likely be the first to take advantage of the helium3 on the moon for power.....the US govt is too polluted in the brain to get anything done anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The Russians really want that stuff, though. I wouldn't be surprised if they use their mineral money to go get some.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, russia has enough problems just keeping the power on now, let alone spending money to go the moon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Is it a lack of money, or skimming off the top, that's got them in bad shape?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I haven't read up much about them lately. Last I heard they were bickering with Ukraine about delivering gas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lack of money....they spend all their resource revenue on maintaining right now, since capitalism is dying in russia again.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt help that the population of Russia is dropping faster than every other nation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the brain drain of the last 30 years is hurting them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I miss the Soviet Union. A bi-polar world was a lot better than the current mess.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biggest problem with Russia though is probably Putin....he is an old style soviet commie in control of the whole country, apparently keeps "winning" the elections....the guy has been elected 3 or 4 times in a row when there was a term limit of 2 terms. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The guy is almost as bad as chavez in Venezuela.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No... he stepped down for a term, while Medvedev was president, then went back. It's just a 2 consecutive term limit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And they gave a lot of the state enterprises to private citizens who basically ran them before the collapse, so the management didn't improve much there, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and then the govt nationalized those industries again after they became profitable. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and put the owners in prison.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I figured when gorby was running the show, Russia would actually become a super power again, spending money on infrastructure, etc, and grow like China has been...but it never happened....they are basically a resource rich cuba now without the top knotch medical system.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet russia continues to stagnate for the near future...they depend on Europe to buy russian natgas, and in a few years when european shale gas become available, that market will be gone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'One of the first thing that the liberated Afghan government did was approve the pipeline to bring gas out of the Caspian sea and into Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's going to cut into Russia's money a little bit, once it's operational.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lots of new sources of natgas supplies are coming online, I am all for it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm not against it. I disapprove of the way they handle the farmers, sometimes, when they come in for shale gas and lease off their land, but that's more a business decision than a fundamental part of gas explortation or exploitation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It wouldnt surprise me if there were huge fields of oil and gas in central africa, since during the pangea years africa was covered with swamps and jungles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'China has been quitely grabbing the rights to a lot of those resources, though. But there is quite a lot of it. And even more offshore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's a big part of the reason the US is 'pivoting' back towards the Pacific... the offshore reserves out there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'China's trying to extend their claims, and butting heads with a bunch of other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US wouldnt have to worry about oil if we opened up our coasts to exploration, opened up the arctic off Alaska, and opened up the rest of Alaska to exploration.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But NIMBY is in full effect in our waters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska by itself could add 1-2 million barrels a day to US production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, except for about 6000 people...no one lives near the places where oil and gas would be extracted in Alaska. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those 6000 people are all for oil production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, but the caribou and stuff. We gotta protect our environment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Don't Alaskans get a paycheck every year or something? Or is that a myth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, do some research on the caribou of Alaska...ever since the pipeline was built, and the north slope built up for oil production, the caribou herd has increased in size. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before oil production, the caribou herd was slowly dying out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I'm all for opening up more sources, but those are the arguments that are usually presented. I like my car, I like electricity, and I don't like having to pay cash we don't have to tyrants we don't like.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Alaskans get a yearly check based on oil revenues for the previous 5 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the price of gas would get to $5 a gallon already, perhaps we could get some of that offshore drilling going again. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: '$5 gas, even letting it hit European price points, wouldn't be bad if we had any sort of decent public transportation for people to use.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt the price of gas will reach $5 a gallon in the US anytime soon though.....oil consumption in the US is dropping 4-6% each year, and domestic production has increased quite a bit to the point where the US produces 62% of its oil use now, compared to 40% just 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you intending on shipping freight on subways and busses, Oath?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'What's causing that drop in consumption? I thought estimates were for it to continue to increase?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It'd be nice if the trains and the lines were from anywhere near this century, though, Hans.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those new oil finds in South Dakota, Kansas, Wyoming, and Montana are going to keep increasing production....it wouldnt surprise me if Canada is the only exporter of oil to the US in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the drop in consumption is from uncertainty about the economy and one's ability to remain in it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the drop in consumption is because the avg mpg of vehicles in the US has increased from 20 mpg 10 years ago, to 26 mpg today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Well if the drop is from consumer demand, public transport could offset the estimated increases even more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cash for clunkers program removed millions of low mpg cars from the road.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by 2026, the avg mpg for vehicles in the US is supposed to be around 56 mpg, but I doubt it....I can see 35 mpg or so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my 'rents used cash for clunkers to trade my dad's utility van to get my mom a new caravan...then they traded her old caravan in on another utility van...net change, he still has a utility van and she has a newer caravan...no significant net mpg change ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When consumption of oil in the US goes down, we import less oil, and then domestic oil production gains a larger share of the pie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil companies pay less for domestic oil than they do for imported oil which is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example, oil produced in Canada and South Dakota is priced $15 less than the current market price for oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Is that price difference the lack of a 'pirate tax' in transporting it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why canada and republicans want that super pipeline built from canada to Texas.....so the price of that oil goes to par with world market price...and guess who pays more for gasoline?  US consumers. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Why would the pipeline raise prices?'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because then it would allow more oil to reach the gulf coast refineries, and can be exported overseas as oil products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now that oil is stored and used to make gasoline and products in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're already sitting on a supply glut.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not that we don't have the oil, we just aren't refining it as strongly as we are capable of.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, which is why you want a direct pipeline to gulf coast refineries, so you can export that glut overseas to people who will pay more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will mean higher gasoline prices for US consumers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That might be a good thing, though. Americans could do with a bit of walking or biking for shorter trips.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe the Atlantic NE no longer has a regional refinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the price of gasoline and diesel will probably rise about 20% once the glut is removed, maybe even more...'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another thing though....that glut might not even go away.....because canadian and north dakota supply is doubling in 3 years....even if the pipeline is built...it will be at capacity based on current production. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I know there's a refinery in Philly that does a fair bit of work. Not sure if that's the only one or the biggest one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But they make diesel there, not sure if they do gasoline as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought that one closed recently?  Maybe it was on the other side, closer to Pittsburgh.  I do know they mentioned it was the last one in the area, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 30% of the refineries are located on the gulf coast, and they are currently running at 82% capacity from a lack of oil pipelines, but Texas oil production is increasing, so that will help the refineries get closer to 98%'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think it's still up, but they're planning to close it soon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if and when that new canada to gulf coast pipeline is built, we will need to build another refinery or two to handle the new production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not like they don't have the money to bring a new one online... they say that's what their bankrolls are for, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I checked into it... 2 of 3 Philly refinerys are idled at the moment, and they seem unlikely to reopen. There aren't any articles more recent than April about the Sunoco one, supposedly Carlisle was interested in taking it over.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But I think they said before that it would be June that they'd close it if no one bought it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're doing it because of overproduction... they want to increase their profits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'i found weapons of mass destruction'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dark matter is a wmd'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'This girl i met is a wmd'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the universe is expanding quickly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Well replace universe with...'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets build a dark energy engine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Damn politics are about to not get me laid so i guess Bush is right tonight.'
T3/r7/2012-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Bush was porking Condie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Industrial use of silver is expected to increase by 37% by 2015, further reducing the existing stockpiles of silver.  Right now the world uses more silver each year than it produces.  The stockpile was 5x higher just 5 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'a button on your lip.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we run out of silver, we'll find something else to use. We always have. Or we will face an apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name another metal that has the properties that silver does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will need to mine more silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just raid dentists' offices :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of silver will start going up quite a bit in a few years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the govt held surplus is exhausted.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'People were worried about silver because it was used in photography. Then came digital cameras. Whatever silver is used for now, if we run out of it, we'll find some way around it. Don't worry about it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, photography wasnt a problem because the silver was able to be recycled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, there you have the solution, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Recycle.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think supply and price really have much to do with one another, making things financially inaccessible is just like making things off limits by law, except preserving the illusion of economics in the process - just in general from what i observed'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like back to the price of a cell phone, a camera, film, professional development, a video camera and a laptop.. and maybe even a GPS device'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apart that's a purchase over 1,500 dollars, but all together is maybe 400 dollars now'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deb unfortunately, except in photography, silver is quite hard to recycle in industrial uses.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most industrial uses, actually use up the silver, because so little of it is used per application.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every cell phone, ipod, computer, or electronic of any type uses a tiny bit of silver.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Use up? So they convert it into some other substance? Cool. I thought only the sun could do that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the price of gold actually went down with the value of the canadian dollar when they opened up a new gold mine in northern labrador or nunavut'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's some more supply down goes the value of the supplier's dollar'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Next time I am at an electronics factory, I'll ask to see their fusion reactor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't get film's from non-digital camera's developed in canada any longer, because it's a polluting process to provide film for camera's - is that really the reason why or is it because digital camera's record the location where every photo was taken?  they really don't seem to care much about the environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only legitimate use i heard so far of this invasion of 'reasonable expectation of privacy' pretending to be environmentally friendly is the tracking down of a anonymous hacker who took a picture of his girlfriends cleavage in australia to texas or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they need a search warrant for every picture they wish to source?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evidence gotten without a warrant is usually not held up in court, i heard of several people getting off of charges cause of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might use it for good things though, there's also the side effect of being used for whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and real camera's didn't offer them that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'adobe flash player (formerly macromedia) also had enabled by default to allow any webserver at all to remotely access a client's web camera if the interface wasn't manually disabled or inaccessible to the web browser'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mentioned that to yahoo chat around 2010, i went to their global settings website and .. it was on by default'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about surveillance and breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have violated a hundred million people's reasonable expectation of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Breakin' da law, breakin' da law, dun dan dan breakin' da law, breakin' da law'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they changed it subsequently'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's off by default'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what all they could use the location from every photo taken since the release of digital camera's, all kinds of things i guess - i did read that in 2005 - 2008 or so they released a topographical map of the face of the earth minus maybe 5 degrees in the north and south poles to the general public, complete with surface textures colelcted through international corporation and government agency satellite mapping'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if digital camera's come with compasses in them and they can get the heading, somehow that gets transferred to a supercomputer which adds it to the 'maybe to 30 metre or 10 metre accuracy' topographical template'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they can get a 3 dimensional computer map of the entire earth and all updatable structures on them as new photographs are recorded'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't read of that being what they add GPS without peoples awareness to all digital cameras or not though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'isn't that called google earth'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like it, but theirs is complete, downloadable from nasa or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the public version, i imagine the private version could be used for thingsl ike i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'finding ex girlfriends to harass?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they actually charge an extra 150-300 dollars for a GPS-enabled camera, but maybe the extra money is for the ability to shut GPS tracking off.. and to conveniently record the coordinates out in the open on pictures'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the functionality's already there, adding a printf to the camera's program probably isn't worth 150 dollars times 10 million or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on CTV news they asked 3 people (or western news) to take a picture of whatever they want, i think the mythbusters did one, but there was also a woman took a picture of a cup of coffee on her table, they tracked the location of each of the photographs and then reported that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they didn't say exactly how, but it's obviously the camera's unless the topographical map did an x-ray of the earth too'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they can't possibly pattern match the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i stay out of digital photographs for the most part now, i never was afraid of ordinary camera's unless it was for some homosexual hamlet play for grade 10 english or something, then i just decided i'd rather fail the class than pretend to be somebody i'm not on a television screen in front of my class'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did pretty good at failing english ever since then'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got my 2 missing grade 12 credits to prove it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody else seems concerned with whether or not every picture they take can lead whoever views it right to where it was taken'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's funny, either they trust eachother and all the crime on earth is of their own devising or else they think i'm full of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody could hunt down 'political enemies' from 20 years ago with it if they want among other things, imagine the files they got instore for the next 1929 succession of leaders'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lets see, the $2 billion baybridge in san francisco was 80% foreign built, the steel came from china because the state said american workers are unable to build such things anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a specially built factory was built in china to build the parts, and the cost overruns have reached $300 million so far.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good to know our tax dollars are being well spent to provide chinese jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's swell to know they're being used to provide jobs anywhere BUT here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the role of countries is kind of messed up, some send raw-goods to others to turn them into something else and use them there, then send them back to where the materials came from and be purchased by a largely unemployed population'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'this local plastic producing plant is using a loan or something from the gov here to shut down in a few months'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '....because they are constructing the same plant all over again in Kazakhstan'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and on top of that usually the government doesn't distribute the proceeds from the transaction amongst it's citizens, 'austerity package''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the side being leeched is managed by a person from some other nation too, sometimes or most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though.....an American company put in a bid of $1.8 billion to build the 5 year bridge also.....and was turned down in favor of the $1.7 billion chinese bid, which is now $2.1 billion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like petro-canada being eaten by suncore in 2009, which was invented to prevent american monopoly of canadian resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is now monopolized by china and others too, with the attempt at some sovereignty absolutely erased'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they make just about everything in china, be it's lawyers in austria'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what other roles they have, maybe lobbying governments from another country'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not very much resemblance of real nations on earth, as far as total independent sovereignty goes, canada would be easy if it was like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"Globalism makes everything cheaper!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'including the value of human life apparently, judging from the change in entertainment from 1985-2012'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so why is the cost of everything continually rising while wages are stagnant and less jobs are available'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada, the land where nationalized government oil corporations while not denying private industrialists from sharing in the projects is seen as communism, and foreign crown corporations are allowed to freely operate within it's borders'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here i think i'm going to sell some oil to my government, the buyer, maybe giving the government some taxes and maybe not, then the proceeds from sale will pay for some of the workers that migrate here for 6 months a time from china'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they require money to surviva, i haven't decided yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're just slaves and will be better off if they don't ask for money'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it looks like that is a possibility, they never talk about it on the news though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can blame the terminator for the switch to the chinese building the bridge though.  After he saw the high american bid, he got scared and decided to rework the project so that to get passed the requirement that the job be american built to get federal funding, they made the main part of the bridge state funded only, thus bypassing the federal requirement of american built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about a hole in a country, from a industry that poisons the canadian water table, which used to be seen as a requirement for non-bottled water survival'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the terrorist is in afghanistan, where petro china bought up a bunch of contracts, maybe with advise from his pal to the north or maybe not'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could have made a united nations oil corporation built by military servicemen which would cost some to start up by then be able to fully fund whatever projects they wanted in afghanistan, until they were done and could then let china buy some oil contracts - until then requiring them to actually purchase it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of shit, if it wasn't for shit like that happening without an explaination as to why they charge the governments taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars per year instead of doing just that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then i wouldn't have any questions - what do you think ?  could sucking oil out of afghanistan put together by maybe volunteers like the 'peace corps' sorta for the united nations 'programme' there have provided hundreds of billions of dollars of sales - funding ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bid to tear down the old bay bridge is also being bidded on right now....so far the $250 million job has only 1 bidder....a chinese company :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they could have replaced obama's charitable donation of 4 billion tax dollars to african infrastructure with proceeds from the oil embargo north of the region too, if each country gets to route it's money how it sees it and surpluses on 'pledged money between contributing nations' could be garnished from the system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '4 billion out of 100 billion doesn't even seem like much does it?  96 biilion still going to the program of some mysterious invent - the world is ran by crooks'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe communist crooks but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by all indications western nations are slave-states and eastern nation's start all the problems'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are all the problems even'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems the whole european/african/asian continent is the source of every modern war in western history'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether it's providing a slick mouth for the politician to listen to .. and i guess that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't convict the head of state for treason though, so the system of slavery will never change as long as the government's acknowledged'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually the head of state just takes orders , which is by some definitions called treason'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in maybe north korea the military's the real head of state though'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'you need to impeach and then convict. Or you could just do like in Machete, and kidnap them and convict them in a televised proceeding then execute immediately :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah they kind of made a joke out of that with bill clinton and his blow jobs'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just what kind of offenses dow the american public see as objectionable, but ok?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see it's just ordinary'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I bet that's the real reason they did it, to break the perception impeachment is worth anything, so they could allow their war criminal free reign'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i was just thinking of, i'm a pessmist though, it's possible that my negative thinking isn't reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'there's pessimism, and then there's conspiracy. That sounds more like conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just like to know what's going on when something is on my mind that has no explaination, like any scientist does'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human actions i don't see as 'god's mysterious ways' as much as something like a apparition or a verse in the bible or something similar like those, so i figure they have origins somewhere in the real world, mostly confusion seems to keep those out of sight'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, that was a big destruction that happened in 2001 and some action had to be taken cause of it, right?  symbolic gesture of enemy of money or not that was a big dark spot in any country's day, having something like that happen, they'd probably do the same'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never stuck to any absolute knowitall position about the world's problems, i just sort of drift between considerations and possibilities and weight the odds for myself, i'm not a twisted psychopath blinded by hatred'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a little crazy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i see something like the video from aljazeera called 'the spell of the albino' though then i feel some hatred because of how the victim didn't deserve that treatment and seems to have no hope in hell, those kind of things make me angry, but it is partly perception on my part'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm completely lost now'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your use of the word conspiracy could mean several things, was i trying to falsely allege something to be the truth or 'if it is like you say they were in conspiracy', pessimism means that i consider the dark possibilities more than the light ones, because they seem more likely - i just tried to explain some of what does make me angry, including my own perceptions which aren't immortalized but maleable 'for consideration' of things trying to make sense out of them, because no truthful explaination is given for lots of things, criminal or not, and even the ones that are could be false, illegal or not, which is something that has to be ruled out if it is a prevailant doubt :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always explain myself to people so that they don't have the absence of explaination to pin bullshit on me which i had nothing to do with, i know that lawyers and stuff can find holes in everything so i plug them up as i go along'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Oh. Pessimism to me implies that it isn't actually happening, someone just being a grumpypuss. But I think most of the theories are accurate, have happened, and could bring actual criminal charges, had the people involved not been beyond the law.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, at least i'm not the only one who considered it'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I always hated that about the conspiracies that do get broken open. You get 1-4 people charged and made examples of but everyone else gets away'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'threatening people with publicity for having an opinion is one of the new-age things, since the media's all owned by a small group of individuals ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody they don't like very much who has an opinion, real or not, which they see being considered but against the ignorance that they worship, can be made a fool of by special effects'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not very likely they'd pay attention to somebody they didn't vehemently hate though, and being as powerful as they are you gotta wonder what it is they hated about that person'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all amounts to a temper tantrum, like having a crime against denying some historic events and setting a group of people beyond question'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i say i don't know the entirety of the situation and then continue to probe they might scream criminal'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they could just explain the reality to me instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't deny the truth, never have and never will'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what glory is to be had by defamation of the dead?  pretty low way to be, i don't even mock jesus christ, since i don't know if he was really the good shepherd or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he was and the world hated him, but now they teach him and do things in his name, then it's possible that the world's still a perverted hog and through their perversion they wish to set people against a good man that they will never be because they follow the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mummification dead for 3500 years still around, who knows what kind of defamation of political enemies they did 2000 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the world is pretty evil and full of things that don't really have to happen, so when i think of what it collectively agreed to hate it doesn't mean that's my enemy'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the wiki page on charlamagne at least, they claim that he continued after his father and conquered the 'germanic tribes' who weren't really called german back then, slaved a couple generations of the leftovers and taught their children and women (or else) that jesus christ is their lord and saviour, esbalishing the church and the nation of germany - i'm not sure if that's true or not, but it's an example of how good people thought jesus was, voluntarily accepted through war'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in another place theodoric the 1st or something was made the first margrave of meissan of germany , posted by the roman emperor'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i'm not sure what germany is really, french or roman or both or what'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but jesus christ was sure placed on them in a non-christian manner if it is how charlamagne says, as it was in bolivia according to the movie 'even the rain''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the spanish brought the warchrist there'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'If you ask the new blood they will side with the dirty frenchies but if you ask a REAL one, aka an old fart, we side with the romans ;^'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the main reasons for studying history is for understanding persistent evil today and trying to identify where it comes from'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's about all i look at it for'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I do similarly but for art and for 'trends' or' cylical events'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'like how 1100 years ago England had a constitution similar to the US despite being a monarchy until the normans conquered them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the conquering and dismantlement of the constitution in THIS age came largely from within, and economically, however.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Also, the Charter of Liberties only applied to clergy and nobles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'well, serfs weren't considered 'free landed men' in their wording, but then blacks weren't considered the same at the time the US' was drafted ;^'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'people always like to cherrypick one group to get shat on, in any country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_II this guy sounds like a ancient communist, lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '.. or democrat depending how he really was, i don't know, power to the people'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it basically gives me a red flag speaking of democrats, whenever they are like "Freedom for all peoples equally!" or some nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i make all groups rejoice with my presence, since i'm an outcast from every one'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I always wonder who the group they're going to hammer is. 9 times out of ten it seems to be me. :
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some places do seem alot fairer than others, i'll give them that, but actual democracy seems to be absent from just about all of them, or maybe all'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the definition of democracy is 'where all people affected by a administrative decision have a equal say in the matter that will affect them somehow''
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course some people don't think of others as people, just dumb animals, but i'm not like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always anyways, usually my animals are the ones seeing others as animals'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I think my cats think that way. Or, maybe nearly all cats do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'they are so fargin' dismissive of everything'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'are there any satanists on aard?'
T3/r7/2012-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'CBO projects debt would increase to 200% debt/GDP with current policy, fall to 50% if Bush cuts allowed to expire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When did WWII start? The History channel seems to think it started in 1941 with pearl harbour, is that the US view? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well that is when it because a full on world war'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'became even'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well... I suppose that's one way to look at it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although I think most of Europe would say hat the invasion of poland was the start of WWII.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Invading a small island in the middle of nowhere isn't exactly the difference between world/not world war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I don't think anyone would argue that WWII started anytime after 1939.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It just annoyed me that the documentary of WWII started with pearl harbor. It misses some vital parts of the war, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'that's weird, even if they were just trying to show it from an american perspective you would think they would at least discuss the lend lease act and such.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I say it was the assassination of the archduke ferdinand'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'that started the whole shebang'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well a world war is a war that involves most of the principal nations of the world. so attacking pearl harbor and america going to war i guess is why they consider it the start'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'It's really just one war, it simply quieted down for a time except in the satelites, but there was still so many obvious things brewing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'WWII was a continuation of WW I, so the murder of the archduke was the start...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well yeah i mean hitler did plan on world domination :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'that's true, but to say that they're 1 war is like saying that britain and france fought one single war from 1000 to 1870'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah exactly. So technically it's "Great War and World War" if you want to be truly accurate when separating them and not look like you only learn things from TV :^'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Considering the events after pearl harbor, it really was only a minor incident, not the savage attack that americans have it to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not the same. The reasons of WWI apply to WW II, there was just a pause. Remember, WW I was never ended. There was an armistice (a cease fire) so the war was technically still on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And of course everyone on the losing side didn't obey the terms of the armistace ANYWAY'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it wasn't meant to. The "victors" of WW I wanted a cease fire just as much as Germany did. They needed the respite, but there was always an intent to continue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they forced Germany to resume hostility. Some day take the time and read the articles of the armistice, it reads like a rape scene.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'True, but they could have at least shown they cared the other side was arming up. It was just stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah, and that's exactly why they ignored it I think. They felt guilty about nearly wiping out the economy with a bit of paper instead of cannon fire. Not quite as honorable and all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Germany was surrounded by armed nations, they really had little choice but to preempt them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'hey don't need to tell me that, I'm authentically from that time, second-hand anyway. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'My granddad and I still write-in votes for long-dead officials to protest how disgusting we find modern Germany'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, the point is that when we speak of WWII Hitler's name always comes up, and rightly so, however, he was a fluke. Had a sane person been in power, Germany would have still gone to war but the outcome would have been a lot different.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah, his one skill really was oration, he stunk at everything else'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'his biggest mistake in my opinion was firing Rommel'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'That was still very late, I think one of the biggest mistakes was stopping to punish Yugoslavia, which allowed the Russians a mountain of time to regroup AND let the weather get screwed up'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'damn, gtg, wasn't watching the clock :^'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'well russia was just a big mistake, should have taken over the west and fortified the eastern boarder, then once the west secure push onto russia'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before he fired Rommel, he ignored him, so basically that is what cost him the war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'nah I think they somewhat knew the russians planned to backstab them, just not when. It was nearly a success but the egos of Hitler and the brass that were his yesmen cost him Russia. They'd never be able to hold it but they could at least have taken out their generals and Stalin before pulling back.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Had Hitler listened to him, the allies would not have landed in Normandy. Rommel had intercepted the coded message announcing the invasion. But the High Command refused to send him troops.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weren't they misled on the location anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yugoslavia to Stalingrad was one continually worsening lost cause.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rommel knew it was Omaha beach.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth brings out the Corn Broom, glaring with a grinning smile at a flying donkey???!!!.
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I allowed here ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why would you not be allowed on a channel?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curse I get chan banned pretty regularly - I don't always understand why - for various reasons '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stick to curse allowed channels, or don't curse - easy fixed'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curse most of them subjective - you  know ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone looking forward to being assigned bannable internet ID's?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I am now. >:|'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you lucky person!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Some ass just randomly sacced stuff I had lying on the ground while swapping my pots around'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was nice of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a bag'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or somewhere private'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's full numbnuts'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use another bag'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They were all full! Pots'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i'm sure it's a great personal disaster, for me, there are bigger things going on'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything on the ground is fair game.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Nothing is bigger, there is NO greater principle! THIS IS THE REASON THE WORLD IS SO SHITE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'It should be an executable offense!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the reason the world is so shite is because a bunch of lunatics hold all the power'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'best to never drop stuff that you don't want to lose, people tend to sac my corpses before I skin them :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'when I'm skinning ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'need a spell that puts a lockdown on a room while you're there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why?  They shouldn't suffer because of your stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And I'd wager those lunatics got power in the first place because of a lack of consideration for their fellows!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They're the stupid ones so they should be the ones executed!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i think we're all screwed now'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're the one who put your valuables on the ground for just anyone to take.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see a lot we can do about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Take, is fine, but if someone left a book on a bench to eat a sandwich, would you burn it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly nothing i can do about it here, not allowed to buy guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be rounded up with all the other dissidents'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't you in England?  Just stab them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would i stab them when they have gusn?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns*'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'learn to act, and figure out how to conceal it better?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do over here is go and hide'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're on your own, good luck :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I got lots of guns, I just don't have anybody to help me use them all. :|'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so train some friends up'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I shoulda been born a mormon, at least I'd be literally raising my own army!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They all spread out now...or got lucky and rich and ran away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't stay rich'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yeah you just can't get people to listen about that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dollar is going to get devalued in the next couple of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lucky it'll happen slowly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"You can't run, they're everywhere, they will just follow you and pass stupid laws there too which will lead to the same economic collapse!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"At least I'll have lived it up while I could!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yay apathy'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best bet is to stick together in communities'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'as for the spell or skill to make a room private, I doubt you will ever see it. The builder flag causes enough problems with people blocking things so imagine someone blocking off all exits from aard hotel or aylor. Too powerful a tool to hand to trolls.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Ah, oh yea, forgot about that application'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'basically i'm on a CP and they're doing an AQ so there's no where private at all in that area'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'are you running into a wt or an item problem requiring you to drop things?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'err item number'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by "private" we meant somewhere where there was little enough traffic for you to not care if some random dude came by.  By that definition, almost any room on the continents would suffice and pretty much most of every other area would as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'item, ran out of buffs/buffpots in a CP'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the ridiculous thing was I was right effin THERE in the room picking up and dropping things actively, plus it was cougarian so they HAD to read what was in the room first and sit there looking at me picking up and dropping stuff before making the conscious decision to sac'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'yeah they didn't need to sac it'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'it's like 'oh that guy has finished with these newspapers clearly, I shall burn them for no reason because I am OCD like that.''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'onoes random objects on the ground, the mud will lag and crash'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this probably isn't the right channel for this'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  Do you walk into grand central station with a big-ass pile of stuff to sort through, and start sorting it right there on the depot floor?  Not if you're normal, because a normal person would see a lot of people there and would expect someone to try snatching something while you were busy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, being in New York, perhaps they'd just walk up and club you first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hey, isn't there some rule against drawing reality into a discussion here?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Well, considering if I ever went to New York half of those would be GUNS, probably not'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'trying to club me would result in like a thousand people dead because I tend to overreact to muggers in a bad way ;p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'all Paul Kersy-esque'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, you don't know New York.  They use assault as a form of greeting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the miscreant sacrificer a longterm player or a newbie'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'and yeah, I see tourists all the time in Bonn just drop all their knapsacks and start reorganizing, so, obviously the ABNORMAL thing is to NOT reorganize before leaving for your destination.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Especially Japanese, holy crap so much photo equipement'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a longterm player sacs other folks stuff to cause grief'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't need to be a longterm player for that, Zade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'i think they succeeded'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the intent is more obvious with a longterm player'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Lasher hasn't really ever stopped complaining about item counts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'permission to enter your manor and sac everything  (evil grin)  to reduce item counts'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Looks like a n00b, born a week ago but barely questing/campaigning. Will probably be here or in question bitching about the cost of SH in two days at current rate of progress'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'also, item counts?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pockets pockets2 pockets3 ftw'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'no I mean what was lasher complaining about?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that we have too many items and a culture that views having that many items is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Ah, so he's a Fight Club fan'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he's not an ascetic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'never heard him say anything like that :\'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only that people shouldn't keep their aardeq on their manor floor'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'heh heh, or anywhere else's floor'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'items are THE bottleneck in the game right now.  Basically nothing else matters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'man, I have seen some crazy shit in the donation room'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is trolling  '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't aware there was a bottleneck'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'hundreds and hundreds of owned items that sit there forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm not sure how bottlenecking is even working or applying here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not forever. till reboot/crash'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and unowned donations have a timer on them'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'well, it DID take two weeks for the next reboot that one time so it was almost like forever in internet time'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high item counts in high traffic areas may be an alleged cause for concern, but not in low traffic areas'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Armer was in a high-traffic area, hence his complaining about his items.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high body counts in high traffic areas (say recall) may also be an alleged cause for concern -- but do you see a NO LOITERING sign there'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not.  The numbers are far too small for that to matter.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so...do items use...processing power or whatever just sitting there no matter what they're doing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm going to call bullshit unless i get a exact quote from someone'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir called bullshit. How do you plead?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if item counts in a high traffic area were a display-lag concern, maybe a simple "a lot of junk is on the floor." -- if anybody was curious, then "look junk"'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'er "rlook junk" '
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expanding on the concept:  at aardhotel/recall/questor: "A crowd of ## is here." --  "rlook crowd" to see the crowd members.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'ah, would remind me of ADOM'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I would reckon a bigger log drain is recall,though. Hundreds of people a day watching hundreds of other people repacking shit or entering portals every 20 seconds'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'hippos. cute or ugly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ugly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Hungry!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. insanely ugly'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why on earth would 2-3 guys name their band lady antebellum ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are they a little light in the loafers ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obviously they get laid more often than Cartman does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Green decline 'may bring irreversible change' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18339905 what's more likely, they'll try and administrate the nation's to become survivable by adopting new strategy's that don't violate people's basic expectations of liberty, or that they'll eradicate most of humanity (selectively pampering subsets based on things like Mensa Eugenics) and continue along with the same lifestyle choices that drove the world to this point, except with less contributors?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How nice, Honda has come out with an electric version of its Fit car....and it costs 2x the amount as the regular gas version.....$17,000 buys a lot of gas when your vehicle gets 40 mpg'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most wouldn't even wonder being unaffected by it in their immediate perceptions, but it's a genocide that's been done in 1929.. and continuing on into the future, we're probably about ripe for another repetition aren't we?  or has humanity just evolved like chemical replacements and biologically mutated food supplies from tens of thousands of years of social evolution into a sustainable man-made alternative that hasn't been proven yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager on the genocide'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think islam's being spread for as it's main purpose as a tool to drive people to homicide (assuming they really are that dumb), as supported by the UN and other nation's, in russia among other places i read stories about it's presence'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always involving homicide in the name of the cult and various other segregations and crimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but christianity's been used the same way, so that's nothing new, i don't see what makes the humans who rule the world god though'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're god because they have the power of grade school.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, in nature mother teaches kids the basic things they need to know before learning on their own, in humanity she's at work or doesn't really care very much and the government handles the upbringing, along with the strangers who rule the local neighbourhood'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe sometimes father too'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in humanity if you're religious the father is the priest'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're in the army your superior is your lord, the title sir given to nobility, there's lots of customs like that in the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they say after the slaves were released from rome they chose to serve in the army and take part in the spoils, which includes slaving people like they were slaved'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably never got a chance to slave their master's though, their master is their god'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'common sense doesn't exist in customary ignorance, 'her majesty' 'his emminence''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they call satan the bringer of light, but don't explain what that title really means'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a reference to the promethean myth.  Fire brought to man, basically.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it rub you the wrong way to learn that The One True God you think above all others is, in fact, one of those lesser others?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my idea of god's like the space that surrounds everything, except intelligent'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more like it anyways, if i have a idea of god as the almighty then it's bigger than anything that can be contained'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the shia muslims seem more reasonable than the sunni muslims though.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18322418 here a guy in kuwait's twitter account posted blasphemy before a mandatory death-penalty for blasphemy law was passed, which the shia muslims seen as evil'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'twitter getting people off of murder charges cause jurors tweeted about it and doing all kinds of amazing things, there's something wrong with the world when people can't shut off their ears instead of making laws against what they hear'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can explain why it's not how they hear it if they're so justified in their judgemetns'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the king is offended by the smell of shit too and requires that farting in his presence is punishable by death'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the maternity ward is closed while the king gets treated in the hospital'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trash arrogant fucks that run the world, man, how do people put up with being slaves forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'most people just go with what they know'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's true, as that goethe philosopher person says 'none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free''
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you figure, should it be proven that god exists and god be required to declare himself that the people who make blasphemy a death sentence is his holy writ, perhaps providing an explaination for his decisions why people should have to do the killing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those kind of laws just show that religion can't defend itself and mind control is it's only objective'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah! Fuck those people for thinking differently than you, they should just believe everything you believe!'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'god is a long way away from being able to dictate the laws of his lands.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'wait...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anyone who can do the stuff he can do would be mistaken as a mere alien, and our governments would start hugely destructive wars that either would damn us forever or destroy God.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people don't watch out for it proactively, the government's decision makers can easily be bought and those kind of laws be enacted anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just something that seems obvious'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money can't buy observers, (it can but with the risk of being paid not to observe)'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Did you know in Canada that there's still a law on the books regarding burning witches? I mean, since there's a law about it surely that means it happens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'burning witches is one thing that's probably mostly been gone for the last 200 years except for cults who like to explore the past'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this other stuff's around today'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh wait, I forgot, society self-regulates and even laws are subject to public opinion. N/m.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're pushing more and more hypnotism and islam and other controversial issues into universities and schools as time goes on, i notice from the news'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Is hypnotism really controversial? I mean, sure the XXX hypnotists are kinda lame, but...'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're religious and you got to a school, the school shouldn't become conformant to your religion cause of social engineering and private investment, should it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they offer students grants, marks and other benefits to take part in 'not tested on animals' clinical drug trials'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If you're going to University and can't decide for yourself whether to risk a medical drug trial, you have bigger issues than a third eye.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, my grandma figures like that, they're pretty stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but.. what alternatives do they have?  there's a teacher in a university did a media article on how she sold her body for sex to pay for her degree'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So your answer to increased "mind control", is to dictate what other people's decisions should be? Kudos man, you're part of the problem. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're turning my province into amsterdam red light district (or entire canada) with government pimps and tax-payer incentives to join the trade, maybe they'll make education exclusive to be a trained whore before being accepted into class, or as a obligation to the school'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's because they're like that, they'll demoralize canada until it's absolutely retarded'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Funny. I seem to recall paying for my degree by working at a grocery store. Didn't realize we were only allowed to pay for it with prostitution :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe your way will last, but it seems that jobs aren't lasting as long as they used to'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The jobs are there if you're willing to work them. They just aren't high paying until you're out of school.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'main employment in my community is babcock and wilcox steel and the cn railway, both of who import people from other places, like ukraine and ontario to do the work'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sounds like you need to find somewhere a little bigger then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Small towns being built on one or two main employers is nothing new, and certainly not a sign of an "increasing basterdization of Canada". It's just the facts of a small town.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jehova's witnesses remind me of that egg religion species on babylon 5.....they have an irrational belief that surgery is only for 'food' animals, and that if you cut into a higher life forms body, the soul will escape.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe the are motivated by the exsanguination procedures of past centuries :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'wow a religon that has irrational beliefs, how unusual'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'k wild'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seeking a Donkey for the End of the World.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'does pornography send a dangerous message to the society? does it lie about sex?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no more than an action movie lies about the improbability of not getting shot by "highly trained" guards'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sadistic & Kruel: 'pornography should be viewed like sci-fi enjoyed but not taken to seriously'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'yeah but you can't take sex seriously. because its just fun. so. high five!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'serious sex sucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new Dodge Viper is going to be 44% carbon fiber.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, vehicle designers are idiots......I have a top knotch stereo in my truck that weighs less than 2 lbs, but the stock one in my car weighs 5.2 lbs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Mr. Arnold, the headmaster of the Covenant Christian Academy in Cumming, Ga., confirmed that his school used those texts but said they were part of a larger curriculum.You have to keep in mind that the curriculum goes beyond the textbook, Mr. Arnold said. Not only do we teach the students that creation is the way the world was created and that God is in control and he made all things, we also teach them what the false theories of the world are, such as the Big Bang theory and Darwinism. We teach those as fallacies. "'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/education/scholarship-funds-meant-for-needy-benefit-private-schools.html?pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'christian version of afghan madrasahs!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'meh'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is news? :P there are large companies that cater to those schools by producing YEC material.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the news was that they're getting public money'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I guess that isn't news to some people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly was news to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read a article on bbc that claimed employers give preferential treatment to certain universities which are expensive in britain, and some people who go through university never get a job in that profession or it's a crappy one cause of that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't understand what makes one school's teaching of a subject matters whether or not somebody knows it to be employed, governments should watch for that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, someone has to fund all those catholic pervert priests......'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'how is that at all strange? That's the way it is in the states.. you go to a "well-known" university.. the employers will higher you based on their opinion of those institutions...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't surprising that employers have opinions about the relative strengths of schools'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a way to make social administrative positions inaccessible to all but the rich and their servants'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but subject matter has nothing to do with what frat club you go to'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you think the teaching at harvard is the same as the teaching at podunk community college, you're fooling yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's absolutely nothing that a school has that can't be taught in any other school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except equipment for biotech and other advanced reserach studies like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'well, even though it's the same subject, what they teach is different from school to school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause it's expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'but the fact of the matter is.. if a professor has a choice of teaching at two different skills.. changes are they'll teach at the one that pays more.. therefore the schools with the most money tend to have the best professors'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather go to podunk community college :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'there is a correlation between money and strength of a school'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'nobody said it was "fair"'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you go to podunk community college and place in the top 100 at the putnam competition or something, you'd probably have a better chance than a C student at harvard. But if you have no proof that you're bright... well...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'the rich have always and will always consolidate the most power.. because money has power'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in some countries college is free or nearly so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you live in a country that has greater financial restrictions on who goes where, well... it's a domestic issue...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, the only real way to go to college cheaply here is to go for community college or to be good enough to get into an ivy league and poor enough that they waive the tuition :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technically many of them have aid for all who need it. But I wonder...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, my brother went to cornell and they waived the tuition completely because of low income.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, if I were american I'd probably have qualified for that too...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably lots who fall through the cracks... those who work part time to reduce their debt load aren't making the best use of their time'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quite possibly, also depends on when you started.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if they have a choice...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... they have rectangular oreos in china.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder why these companies just aren't as creative in the us. No demand for odd flavours/shapes?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'square was probably done to reduce shipping costs... and it's not the companies, it's the people that are stubborn'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'we like round!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Some notable misfires: a red bean paste Oreo (kids didn't like it) and a Ritz cracker flavored like fish boiled in spicy Sichuan peppercorn oil (too local)."'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'red bean oreo?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'eww'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yajan: 'don't knock it til you.. aww shit.. that sounds gross..'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like something like green tea kit kats though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... actually green tea oreos sounds like it could be good too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or any kind of tea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, why are so many cookie-type snacks only in chocolate or vanilla varieties?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest study links psychotropic drugs in the water supply to autism'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar study also find taking SSRI's while pregnant increases the chance of the child being autistic'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'greek neo-nazi spokesman throws water at socialist deputy, communist MP throws papers at said spokesman, who then proceeds to punch her repeatedly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like anyone expects anything to get done, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, apparently it's illegal for voting officials to vote for you but it's not illegal for them to give out other people's private information?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and did you hear that 27% of voters who belong to a union voted for Governor Scott Walker in the recall?'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go walker!'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they say people get the govt they deserve...'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is about time the line was drawn on public employee unions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will be interesting to see what will happen to them, and the us in general over the next decade or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from an outside perspective anyway. A safe, outside perspective.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, baseball.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'astro's need a new owner....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'amazing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta get the gator!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the economy of Texas is worth $1.3 trillion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the economy of California is worth $2 trillion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, love the signs in Alaska.....Save the Whales!!  For dinner!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'almost as good as Save the Whales, harpoon a fat bitch!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell has started its first exploration wells off the north coast of Alaska.....Shell spent $2.2 billion on the offshore leases back in 2005.  It has taken that long to get past the lawsuits from tree huggers who do not even live in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet they find at least 40 billion barrels of oil, and 100 trillion cubic feet of natural gas on these test wells....the govt expects them to find around 30 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is about 100 miles of shallow ocean off the north shore of Alaska.....good spot to find oil, considering that spot used to be above the water millions of years ago and covered with forests and jungles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Same as north canada, europe, and russia as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so basically the idea is to keep drilling for oil until none is left then it will be that generation's problem to figure out how to live without oil. I agree wi shouldn't bother to set the system up now when we can pass the buck to the future.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will never run out of oil, because if we had to, we could MAKE oil for about $200 a barrel based on current technology.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, oil is an unlimited resource, what was I thinking about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but gas will eventually move us away from oil.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long before it gets close to running out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kill one of the guards and wear all his armor, walk to the lord and he should transport you, iirc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then electricity will replace gas in time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Does this synthetic oil mean we can also synthetically produce all the items normally made from petroleum synthetically?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt synthetic oil, it is made from carbon sources just like regular oil, except much faster using a bio refinery.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's oil in everything...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we had to, we could always use algae oil.....US scientists have already created a new algae that produces 60% oil of weight in the lab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future is some kind of hybrid though....diesel electric hybrid most likely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'hybrid and/or electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i can see the rigs/trucks still using diesel though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a diesel electric hybrid'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trains already use diesel electric hybrid locomotives and get really impressive cost per mile.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I am in favor of all forms of power generation, even coal...I just want the older coal plants in the midwest to replaced with current technology coal powered plants that can switch to natgas, and that scrub the emissions better.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the dirty dozen coal plants of the midwest produce almost 10% of the co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that you can't envision a future without oil. That's sad.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil will still be in use when our kids kids die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of things that could be theoretically envisioned but will never practically cease to exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Albiet probably in a different manner.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, why bother to do something else, it won't be our problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would say "we put a man on the moon but..." but that wouldn't be a true statement :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places more energy is neccessary to survive in than others, like where it's extremely cold - reducing reliance on destruction and adopting new strategies to provide the heat and energy needed as they become available doesn't sound bad though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do build concept towns in some places, showing the 0-oil kind of strategies, or at least greener, if something is proven not to work in one place then maybe something else will'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'could just create fission reactors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'fission and fusion reactors ftw'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as there's support for trying it out cause eventually people want less reliance on destruction '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing crucial about oil, we don't remove ourselves from oil because those who control the oil want to continue to get rich. They do understand that by the time there is no oil, they will be dead, so fuck'em if can't take a joke.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oil, like anything else, is something where most people agree something ought to be done but think that the something that ought to be done shouldn't affect them in any way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many, many people will say 'we should cut government spending' and yet if you go for anything that hits them personally, scream in horror.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, it's like the tree hugger protestor's that use paper and wood to make signs...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but...they're 100% recycled!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'pre or post consumer? :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'pre doesn't really count'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think it's possible to have 100% recycled paper products (it, like, falls apart too easily or something)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's impossible to have a perpetual motion engine, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everything generates waste and so eventually we run out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the trick is converting the "Waste" into something usable again'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but that will also generate waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think it might be theoretically possible to build a PME using quantum mechanics.  Apparently some scientist was able to devise an experiment that showed an object of any size (the experiment used a silicon paddle on the order of 500 microns) could be in two places at once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that the system will not generate any waste heat. That's interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if it could be any size, why did they choose something so annoyingly small'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'whats the topic?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope points excitedly!
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'maybe he didn't want his assistant to notice his small penis?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'work on penises being in 2 places at once ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'woo schrodengers penis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'schroedinger is the ultimate he/she. :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'until you look anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i thought that was lady gaga'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lady gaga had his box opened'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lady Gaga was freaking hot before she went batshit insane'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: '.                 . .               . .             .......   '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the freecreditscore.com band is the best band in a decade.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I just inject stuff whenever I see something worth replying to :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well look, I have no real tolerance towards deliberate animal cruelty.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm outboard motors for boats sure are expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'they sure are'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'about 1000 bucks per hp'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But how expensive is it to attach a horse to an pair of oars? HOW EXPENSIVE IS IT?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not very expensive at all.  Just look at how the rednecks do it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$9300 for a yamaha 115 hp outboard.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You cna abuse the bears if you want though.....since 1948, the number of grizzly bears in the lower 48 has tripled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to many bears if you ask me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'think you spelt 'deer' wrong there, Riz.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'grizzly deer?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I am all for regulating the number of non-humans on the planet. Who the fuck do they think they are anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, a biogenetic combination.....a grizzly deer....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we got so many deer here in STL they're letting us do backyard hunting now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'nice'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, there are no deer in STL, those are rats!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we should regulate humans, too. What the hell, just let me and a few semi-virgins on the planet, the rest of you, fuck off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, the rats are closer in towards the city.  I'm talking about out in Chesterfield and places that far out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'can you couch hunt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I suppose you could, but the view's terrible.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 6000 calories a day or you lose weight.....tough life being a mountain man.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many calories those Sally Field brats burn a day?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I always get confused by the calories/joules bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just 10 cents a day gets a kid beaten by the kids who had to stand in line all day and didn't get any food.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '8000, or 2000, how much is it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: '1 calories = 4.18 joules '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'calories schmorlies... as long as you stay away from processed crap and (including processed sugar) you don't have much to worry about'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless all you're eating is rice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, drink green smoothies all day long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, they recently discovered the body is unable to detect liquid calories (which is apparently the biggest reason for the 'beer belly')'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So if you drink liquid meals, you don't realise you have eaten enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'calorie has 7 char and joule only 5 ,so calorie > joule '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1 calorie = 4.2 joules, so yes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey, green smoothies are damn good...especially when you add a scoop of protein powder to them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the ordinal comparison means calories < joules'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was sorting by length.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, seriously, domesticated rice that has bred out unwanted features and bred in extra nutrients has been found to be cross-pollinating with wild varieties that are reversing the cultivated trends.  It's like GMO, but in reverse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I am a beer lover and I got extra 20 kg fat in my belly because of drinking beer every day ....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't worry, when you lose your kidneys some of the weight will go with them :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Domesticated rice has LESS nutrients than wild varieties - but it is far hardier and faster growing'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did the world do without all the bioengineering. How did we survive all these millions of years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'spinach, blueberries, some milk, vanilla protein powder, and 1 banana in a super blender.....yum.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We died. Young.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'good question, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the crap we eat today is far worse for ya'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That said, Montesanto is literally the antichrist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we just planted plants closer together.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we then noticed that this or that food was better-looking, bigger, tastier, whatever, then chopped down the plants where that wasn't the case.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US obesity epidemic (and its spread to other nations which accept US culture) is almost entirely due to the Corn subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, now we live long enough to enjoy all the organic damage that the bioengineering has done.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bioengineering is older than animal life itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The first botanical studies of natural selection and selective breeding are really fascinating reads'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '0 knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '0 knowledge of genetics, evolution, etc - and still they managed it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'in the old days people farmed hunted etc, now we work so we can buy these things... is life any easier? hardly'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Million years ago,only toughest men and women survive,nowadays every nerd buy tons of calories with Internet. for example,me ....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, imagine that, humanity existing without meddling. What were they thinking about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I will die soon if tomorror some disaster come'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I laugh at all the anti-civ people debating using a computer on the internet :-P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people did alot of good progressive things, more comfortable living and advances in science, but i think it's still important to be able to survive in the event of catastrophe and stuff, preserving enough of the nature of the world so that it can recover if somebody miscalculated about something that replaced it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'technology does not imply civilization...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'technology is making slaves of us all'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'there are 6 billion people nowadays, and one-tenth of them using automobiles ,too much to a tiny planet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You all should go become mountain men.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i would, if i could find a mountain women'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheep my friend, sheep.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'lol, the neanderthals are so urgly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they had it good though... just had to drag her back to your cave'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'we all are offsprings of murder and raper,million years ago, they were successors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'can't rape the willing :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I read a book recently ,named "Dies the fire",all electronic devices to cease to function-computers, telephones, engines, radio, television, even firearms'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'it is a terrible world. cannibals everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah, that happens when you get a large emp shochwave, like an atomic bomb'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'but in that case, non funtioning electronics is low on the priority list'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I 'll commit sucide at once in that world, I quit, I quit ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thing that scares me most about thinking about bombs and stuff is the kind of people who have them, the bombs themselves maybe are dangerous over time as their radioactive elements decay in chaotic patterns - and that's what scares me next about them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the way it looks now, they'll never disarm those bombs'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless some kind of amazing thing happens that causes them to, it seems like they're eventually going to be used'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one side has them, the other has a reason to have them, and both use eachother as reasons why they need them, etc, and then more and more get involved, more unpredictable minds with a stash of them hanging around etc, you can go loony looking at the news and stuff sometimes, trying to figure out what the solutions are going to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was alright what america and russia were trying to do disarming some of them together though'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'both might expect the other to wait until enough are disarmed and take advantage though, which is why solutions are hard to see actually happening'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really like to think of that stuff though, sometime's it's hard not to, i read they actually called world war 1 in 1917 or so 'the war to end all wars', and it looks like they lied'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'more like wishful thinking'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is cool....found a house here in Dallas with a master bathroom with aquariums for walls with sharks and other fish in them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor, and when I die, I expect to find him laughing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how the west's latest proxy war will turn out...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we all here ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10-4 comeback ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I propose that anything which could be defined as "finger magic" in the context of a performed action unless used in the metaphorical or artistic sense is inherently ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like ur style :) ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Wow. A proper, articulate debate is coming on. This is rare. Whoopee.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finger magic?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you familiar with the jewish tree of life ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm familiar with the jewish betrayal of Mohammed in his fight against the Arab clans'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok lemme find one and link or you want me to describe ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'give us the basics, possibly, or keywords to describe it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lemme find one '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cuase the system works off it '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Earlier, Tzadkiel is quoted as saying "I use alot of finger magic on the fly atm", implying a wicca-like control of the elements'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol NOT WICCA ... but ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/kabbalah/TreeofLifeKabbalah.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/Kabbalah%26Tarot.html&h=753&w=500&sz=71&tbnid=70C8tFKwBPAEtM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtree%2Bof%2Blife%2Bkabbalah%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=tree+of+life+kabbalah&usg=__ix5evmSW4sd7t3iZlueaflf6_T4=&docid=Hj_L8MGkaBd9fM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wNDRT9iZLq7NmAX6puCPAw&sqi=2&ved=0CHIQ9QEwAw&dur=4704'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to learn how to avoid google proxies :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok you see the diagram ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but if you understood the effort it takes to type atm you'd not bother me with it ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.tarotofthepomegranate.com/kabbalah/TreeofLifeKabbalah.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I apologise.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keep that in ur back pocket fer now Tig '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok see the circles ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes sir'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Maam.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes sir maam :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'a symbol used to describe the path of god and the manner in which he created the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I hope you are not about to use a religious item as proof towards the feasibility of finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok yes the bolt of creation - yes but understand that each is a different "thing" '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm showing you how I work '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you defined the debate with the inquiry of my finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'please do continue defining the finger magic'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok the tree of life - not the best link but each circle pretains to a different bit of the beast - be it the human psyche or the universe '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the significance of the + and -'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ask me at a later date - is not imoprtant for this '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok there are 10 sephiroth'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10 circles - soz '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and 10 fingers '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'asign a circle to a finger '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok see the links between the circles '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they are symbols '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they corospond to the major arcana of the tarot '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you know what tarot cards are ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aware of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as in many cultures mandalas are a visual prompt to something you have spent a bit of time imprinting '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use those links at a prompt to a specific state of mind '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are tarot and jewish mythology linked'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the history of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'How is the Pld Testament and Old Hebrew texts similar? (iirc...)'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so after assigning circles to fingers and having a knowledge of what path joins what finger I can evoke a mindset and as a phyisical prompt I will join the fingers to prompt a path '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'meh...listening.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'let me find a workable tree of life and I'll demonstrate '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually I really don't want to use a personal example so I'll use a deliberately wrong example '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have meditated on a certain symbol set that calls forward my logic capacity - (another backstory) I would like to play a game of chess with a preson - and I want to win - so I know which path I want to invokewhat circle i awnt to join to what inorder to invoke the symbol I want to resonate) '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so I touch the fingers that corospond with the circles to create the path I want to activate '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'finger magic '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'Now you have defined finger magic I can confidently continue to assert that it is to all objective measures ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now we can debate psycology if you like - psycomatic response would be a start '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'psycosomatics is not proven science ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw props for debating with an idiot on merits rather than expression or elequoence too '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were you looking for "I cross my fingers and I get good luck" defence ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we live in an illusion fed to us by our interpretation of out senses '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you could have saved yourself a lot of time by replacing the entirety of the above with "placebo"'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - placebo is blanket - this is spefic '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but yes you get where I am sayin'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is a theological perspective to the practice but I cannot argue that - well - we could but we'd just be tail chasing - '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imprint ans invoke a mindset is pretty basic shrinkage ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so I believe placebo way the point of contention ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'it's all in your head'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'was *'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Exactly ! and it takes alot of work to get it there '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Can I chip in and vaguely suggest that magic is, if it is experienced and argued for its existence, a paradox?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'oh please do'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Because from what I see, it can be argued that Tzad is more versed into her practices. Assuming that she does perform such feats that are currently impractical to the rest of us, yet we see so little evidence of it, it seems comparable to the Fermi Paradox.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Look I used to hedge my bets - I know what the mind can change and so thats what magic can change - '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in defence of my psyche - I was apparently fine until they started to give me drugs - perhaps they saw things I didn't but my present state all kicked off with a bad trip and a sucide attempt - the rest his a merygoround of medication an d inept supervision/leadership'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so - in closing  - finger magic on the fly - a way of activating a mindset to deal with a situation- and no I have never used it  here - why would I ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So let me get this straight...is finger magic just a way of focusing your mind?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I propose that you have in effect explained that the term "finger magic" is a metaphor for activating an ordinary state of mind and thus, back to my original proposal, you choose "metaphor" rather than "magic"'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the level I am debating - yes '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurvey had any experience with sports shrinks ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'recalling my original proposal, "unless used in the metaphorical or artistic sense", you have just spent a long time explaining how your finger magic fits the exceptions to the proposal'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm afraid that at this level, I have to agree with Scurvy here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep me too - at this level it is nothing more than tying your boots a certain wa before a game except you have a "boot tying" ritual for every situation '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So Tzad, are you willing to give thoughts to counter Scurvy's proposal? Or will it get too personal?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'consider the applications for a religeous mind ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I look at the New Model Army, under Lord Thomas Cromwell before, for the effects of focussed minds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'on the level we are debating Scurvey is dead right - except I would add a range of focuses and an appreciation of their value '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'I would appreciate the omission of the letter e from my character name'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Phonetics, Scurvey!'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'okay skyerehn'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'appreciate that I  I'm typing with 1 finger and have to concentrate pretty hard to interact on the stuff I'm on at night - ok gimme 4 letters - or 3 as a callsign - Tz does it for me '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scur ?  is tht ok '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'scurv'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or Sc may do? Ah...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scur I gather you are an ahiest ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'yes but not to gregor's definition'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I missed that one but I know tthe difference between agnistic - true agnistic and pure athiest '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'to be honest I've lost interest now your finger magic is a mind trick'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'add O's where needed '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aithiest then '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You both have kinda lost what the debate started with...does Magic exist?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or have I lost you both? When it started in gossip chanel?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no no magic exists - and in the only for I was prepared to argue it in is little more than specialised physolology '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'to go further requires a religion or an appreciation of comparative religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurv - you fill either of those qualities ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'you've entered the territory of "you won't understand unless you already understand", which is a stereotypical religious thing to do. I asked for a defense for the existence of practical finger-based magic involving the manipulation of the physical world in a non-physical manner and you prattled on for half an hour about jewish symbolism before eventually settling on it being a mind trick to control your fractured psyche. I'm out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes ! thats the stuff ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bow your heads in the direction of the Orbital Teapot and give me 10% of your earnings, and all will be fine and right in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You want 10% of my earnings?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren bows his hesd to the Orbital Teapot, then proceeds to get the belt and prepares to give Sonshi the pain.
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you didn't specify phyisical/non you just asked me what is was - and yes my mind aint right but there are further applications to the system... TBH I have my clit n my mind to play with  and I'm bored of one already '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Take it to the curse channel lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I didn't swaer at her ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scurvy: 'her?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol bait ... :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You couldve been Elizabeth Swann.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jeez it'd all look better if I could type/grammar/spell/function '
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Tzad, I've seen worse. Don't fret.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'debate -h is the best, sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Especially with teapots.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh dear, Obama could be in trouble'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.infowars.com/2012/06/i/general/peers-briefing-2.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder what the estonians think of krugman...'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their president certainly doesn't seem too fond of him'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/08/egypt-marchers-assaulted.html women protest against sexual harrassment and get raped by a freely roaming gang of hundreds or thousands of men'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a world leader and had a nice aresenal i would be cutting off trade with egypt until they get rid of pigs like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever religion they claim makes their actions the holy'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no immigration or travel'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause otherwise the pigs can travel and spread out, right?  they get no punishment for crimes that get punishment in their host nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stuff like that happens in the US, too.  Some lady reporter was dragged into an alley and raped by the Occupiers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, occupy wall street rapes reporters, or agent provacateur like the MI-5 in britain reports they have sex to get information and deeper into the protestors'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and generally people who just like to get away with crimes sometimes in a large group of people'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this here's a group acting openly'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't have obscurity to mask their presence'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if people are going to continue being whatever retardation results in overpopulation and pollutive consumption, what are the odds of future holocausts happening?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i try not to think it's possible, but i figure i'm pretending when i do'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deliberate ones or accidental?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll probably find some neccessity to profess'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sweeping blanket statements not including the administration that resulted in the outcome in it's casualty count'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'up top they tell people what tools are unquestionably a part of their lives'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and how to think etc, so i figure up top they're more guilty than the people born in their cage'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if they're allowed to survive the 'next' that they 'might' cause, then they'll just cause it again in the future, so what's the point?'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accidental's just like they poisoned all the water on earth and not have to drink filtered water, but the filters cost money - which is causual'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or .. the bad placing of the nuclear reactor in japan'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'natural disaster included, that one was more accidental'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see....yes or no.....tow a jeep grand cherokee behind a 45 foot diesel rv.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see.....woohoo, a 4x4 chevy suburban...2012....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, drug addicts get $850 per month in social security payments.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if being addicted to food would count.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new 6 billion barrel oil field has been discovered in Iran, near some older fields around the iraqi-iran border.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'time to bomb iran'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'time to send all the animals in the usa's pounds into iran :P '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just airdrop a few hundred thousand pigs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'iran-iraq war part II?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"flush the toilet" like cuba did to the US in th 80's ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't you hear the new legislation that congress adapted: You can only bomb countries that more than 25% of the general population can find on a map.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a guy a met was consulting pentagon. he proposed a program called "crips with air support" on april fools'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran could easily produce 10 million barrels of oil per day if they had the technology to do so, but the blockade against the country keeps the iranian production around 3 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sun Tzu warrned about gov intefering in military matters ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'good, save some for the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'supposedly there are 1/2 as many gangmembers as there are soldiers in the army'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia and India still buy Iranian oil I think ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps China too ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we used all the fossil fuel we could, we'd be up the creek anyway. Without a paddle.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're experienced in drug trade and urban warfare, so why not air drop them into afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trouble is finding a decent base load source - I vote geothermic ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran also exports some oil to turkey and a couple other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'could just crop dust heroin and other drugs onto places'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zeirath: 'just get the enemy hooked on hard drugs'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The funny thing I find about Iran is the bitching that the US do about nuclear weapons. Come on, the US has the most nukes of any country, wages the most war of any country, uses the most terror of any country and is the only country to have ever used nukes in war. Stfu imho!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, Russia has more nukes than the US does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of the US nukes are more than 20 years old.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better one crazy nuclear-armed state than two crazy nuclear-armed states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doesn't matter, Russia doesn't wage wars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Ranrr's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'top dog calls the shots - enjoy it while it lasts imo - the US is going down - sux to be the declining culture .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Chechnya never happened. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck yeah they wage wars, checheny, georgia'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ranrr, you're clueless'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention, Russia invaded Afghanistan long before we ever did, and created most of the problems we ended up with there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I think it was us eho created the problems.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the militants at that time were armed by the us...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the USS helped a lot by training and arming taliban'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'AK's made in afganistan are a sought after commodity '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Exscgly, sonshi..us alsso gave them training iirc'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'US even'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we helped the mullahs fight the ruskies, and then left em high and dry....we wouldnt have had to leave em high and dry if the ruskies didnt invade. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one thing is certain: western people don't get russia or russians'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fake a stolen nuke n detonate it pakistan imo - is where they still get funding imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in hindsight, might've been better to just let the russians do what they wanted in afghanistan, without intervening...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20-20 hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let them get bogged down in all the wars they can handle, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Russia may not be the nicest country, but at least they are not planning to invade Iran afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Isnt that roughly what we did to Germany? Let them alone?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, russia only invades their neighbours!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'and what is afaik? I see it so many times...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, they took Finland from us. It's ours, damn it!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt Russia could afford to do a large scale invasion on anyone unless they were neighbors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh the west has it's own problems - fingers in  too many pies atm imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. none of you seem to understand what the russians are about'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'IN the uk, that is actually literal...try the Pasty Tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And all you seem to be able to do is complain about the ignorance of others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'russia *thinks* that china is on its side when it comes to the us... but that's what they want them to think... if china ever gets a missile shield...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the thing is that their country is dependant on foreign enemys. nato is #1, insubordinate satellite states #2'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, it makes more sense for Russia to get europe addicted to its natgas and other resources than to wage expensive wars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Russia controls resources for the reigon  -'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'exactly. it's all about resources now. mainly gas'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and since everyone is dependent on it they won't say much when you do something like invading georgia'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Let's be fair, theres got to be a war somewhere...so why not resources.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who nailed it - Tz nailed it ! " dances the dance of 10000 feathers !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's also a project called transisternia. you probably haven't even heard about that one'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would there have to be wars?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of Russia is still unexplored for natgas and oil resources, not to mention coal, diamonds, gold, copper, iron, and rare earth elements.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'transnistria?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatilisim IS war - violence is the last resort of the incompetent '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Theres a reason why Asia is so hard to dominate in a game of Risk :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, yes. different names in different languages'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren is agreeing with that Tzadkiel person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'although not maybe for the incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'haven't seen that particular spelling before though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran will most likely export massive amounts of natgas through Russia to european markets once those new natgas pipelines to Russia are built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just finished reading Brovo two zero - mate those guys are pros ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe misspelled. tried to do esto-english conversion '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh - short sell n bomb '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and China is building a lng plant to ship tons of the gas to China and North Korea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear the estonian umemployment rate has improved greatly, to "merely mildly catastrophic"!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'china will annexx NK next imo'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'India is also a large buyer of iranian natgas, but reduced imports by 25% after the US asked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe. they say it's going down, but i don't really care'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm a freelancer and i'm doing well'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china ever gets a missile shield, I'll bet they ask the russians for their territoy back. Politely at first, then... not so politely.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'territory'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'India is too disorganised and has corruption on too many levels to get it right imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'chinese are capitalists. they control mass manufacturing, why would you wage war when you have that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they already have economic control over the united states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chinese learned from the Japanese....war is archaic, business is how you win the end war.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're pretty fixated on territorial integrity'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Riz nailed it imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the moment they can take back taiwan without much danger, they probably will. Same for that little bit of russia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'capatalism is the war now '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they can't, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt exactly cal it economic control over the US....People thought Japan had economic control also. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, some time back they fought a war with india over a few scraps of land'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we know how that ended up being.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'taiwan becomes useless when they try to take it with force'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are strong economic ties between taiwan and china. chinese produce and taiwanese are doing the engineering'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even during a large recession, the US economy keeps growing while Japan is in deflation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do I benefit from all of this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fucking that up would hurt them both and war is out of the question since the taiwanese aren't for merging'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, with taiwan, their hope is to force them into submission.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only difference is the US economy grows around 1.5% instead of the usual 4% during good times.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's boosted with chinese money :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how do we all gain from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 80s it was japanese money, so what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if china wanted to destroy the states they wouldn't have to bomb them. just sell their bonds and watch it collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'First off you need a buyer of those bonds......:)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the absence of outside intervention, they could offer them two options - capitulation or destruction'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2nd, the chinese earn good interest on those safe bonds....they are not going to sell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but it's just an idea in case they wanted to fuck with the us. economic power > military'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'name 1 other country that can sell china $50 billion or more each year in safe bonds ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the trick is to get strong enough that there won't be intervention'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, it's not about intervention'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably closer to $100 billion by now though.....china earns around $50 billion just in interest payments on current debt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'china and japan have 1 trillion each'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they could guarantee minimal foreign impact, there's a pretty high chance of them moving on taiwan'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And those bonds are under 2% a year now, and dropping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'china and taiwan are dependent on each other. they won't fuck with the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US treasury is considering selling negative interest bonds to some countries also.....because the demand for SAFE US bonds is so strong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's better to keep good economic relations and make money than going to war'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is restructuring its naval power to be stronger in the Pacific also. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the US will probably self-destruct without outside intervention, given enough time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can bet that's not what countries thought the last 10000 times someone went to war...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the yanks have just moved into Darwin '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and even if they were stupid enough to take taiwan with force, who would come to fuck with them? the us? no way'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont see a $14 trillion economy self destructing anytime soon....we will just re invent ourselves like we always do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all past empires have fallen. nothing different about the states'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the US prices itself out of the manufacturing market through high labor costs - suck it up some ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even the process is pretty much the same it was 2 thousand years ago'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, our economy grew 8% last year, to $1.3 trillion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at this time, yes. If they can ensure the us has other issues, and if they had strong enough domestic demand that global opinion would have minimal economic impact, they'd likely start to move.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not going to happen for quite a while yet though'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so how do we benefit from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US manufacturing is still 4x more efficient compared to any chinese factory.....and the cost savings of manufacturing in china compared to the US is dropping every year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the weaker US dollar is having an affect on the cost savings also though :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cost savings tends to drop with increases in efficiency...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're moving up the value chain'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the long run, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'add to that the rise of additive manufacturring - the US really needs to invest in it imo '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meanwhile china sucks Oz like an orange for raw materials and we just lap it up '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You lap it up? What you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China last year stopped exporting rare earths by 50%, and mines in the US started up again to fill in the shortage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mining jobs here are driving a 2 speed ecomony here '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, estonia became top exporter when china did that'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china discovered that the pollution wasn't quite worth the rare earths'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, china decided to use the rare earths at home, instead of seling them to other countries :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'F my degree when I get out - I alreaady hold a HR ticket - a few more and I'm on 100k+ for a few years '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you cut off exports, mines will go bankrupt, see'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Kudos tothem. Now, if only UK did the same with its NOrth Sea oil deposits..'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, because chinese factories buy up the surplus to build ipads and other products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'local market is still there and the demand is only getting bigger'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no point screwing your environment more than you need to support your own economy, at the very least'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not with the threat of civil unrest hanging over them'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are talking about China right?  They produce more coal to power dirty coal power plants, a few rare earth mines are not going to phase them in the pollution category, especially when you can use those rare earths to build wind turbines to sell to Germany, and other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, it's a start'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I think you mean faze'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. wind turbines are also estonian business :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes when you type quickly, I tend to mispell some words.....dyslexia in the brain you know. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You think of typing it one way, but what comes out is something different. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'omg riz uare insane ! '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :('
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trade u '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Lol!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think my control over my spelling was better before I started spending too much time on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my typing has improved quite a bit since I started using the net......but it has slowed down since I started playing text games. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'u want my homocidal urges or my narrcisim ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of these days I'm going to spell "definitely" wrong and flip out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, definitely is one of the words that my typing problems catches up with me on occasion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of these days u'll get ur priorities right ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Both, Tz. Is that an option? :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to have homicidal urges against cats, but then decided it wasnt for me, so I stopped.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth has just clubbed a flying donkey???!!! with a polo mallet!  Get the prozac!
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... they're building "supertrees" back home...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/08/world/asia/singapore-supertrees-gardens-bay/index.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Lol...I always chased cats...until I ran into a bulldog. After that...naaah.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do they suck up more co2 than regular trees ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'strap ur M-16 to an M-203 40 mm grenade launcher and go hard or go home  !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they're bigger. And not really trees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Someday we might be living in condos/apartments in super tall concrete and carbon fiber trees.....with shops, gardens, and places of work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we're already close'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thinking of buying a condo myself actually......'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You missed an m there...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You don't do meth, then, I presume.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no watering the grass, cutting the grass, can walk to stores, and the Dallas Mavericks are a 8min walk away.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have cooked - I know the culture intametly '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, there're usually stores and stuff a few mins away'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'condo association fees are kinda annoying though, but I could get used to it I suppose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't touch drugs with a barge pole - yet I end up here with a bunch of petrol sniffers from the pit lands '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have done more drugs since I have been here than in the rest of my life !'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drugs are for small brains. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren glares around him.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and other than the c ider incident they have all been prescribed '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screwing someone out of money is the best high you can have.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Debatable. For me anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not very nice...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to join my ponzi scheme ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DonkeyTrust'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Masochistic goth :/'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '...did I get my term rgiht..no...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being the second person into a pyramid scheme is often an excellent investment choice'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Skin em for all thier worth - capatalism is warfare and we are all involved'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless it collapses then'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Take whatever you can, give nothing back!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how the bitcoin ponzi is going'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'square root of the top guy's winnings without any of the legal issues :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Best high is to make THEM screw their own money out of their pockets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Pirates, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Whatever works :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'It's the closing line of the POTC At Worlds End'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the best high is a decent LSD trip - F the rest '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and put all your profits into muni bonds, so that you dont have to pay income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren offers a disco ball and lights for loan.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kicks in a blacklight n a pink floyd album'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Anyone watched the Songify Charlie Sheen?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cousin of mine does driveway resurfacing....he makes well over $850k a year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Does he 'do it', or does he 'have his minions do it' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, his illegal minions do the physical work....we are not stupid. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I've got a drug, Called Charlie Sheen...it's not available...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But when he first started, yes, he did the physical work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQWszrZHBPI'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'listening now '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Yey lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Naaaw, Songify'd Charlie Sheen!!! :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'driveway resurfacing is pretty smart though, if you have a concrete driveway.....more people are setting up insurance scams and suing people after they get 'hurt' tripping on old driveway cracks, or slipper parts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Just the basic facts - can you show me where it hurts ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering the way it is set up...you are completely liable for whomever gets hurt in your property if you have neglected your property.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even if they are trespassing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'concrete driveways and walk ways are considered public'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dances with Sky '
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That law is highly locale subjective'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a weird system.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'legally, you can walk up to anyones house and stand at their entrance.....but once you step on the front porch....you are tresspassing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'until someone shoots you because you look suspicious, standing at their entrance'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and they go to jail, and you go to hell or the hospital, with a nice lawsuit on your side. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if it's florida!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even in florida....as long as you are on the concrete...if you step off the concrete, you are trespassing. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this case where two neighbours argues over trash, one shot the other, he claimed self-defence'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was your word against mine all the way'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(argued)'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '10 hours of Charlie sheen music...hopefully its the right link...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKPCo6nF0BA'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you bring a camera with you, easy enough to claim he stepped over the boundary'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, modern forensics can easily tell where you were standing when you got shot by where the blood landed. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But anyone who walks up to someone elses home in the dark probably deserves to be shot at.....unless they have pizza of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was that case a long while back about some kid who went up to the wrong house for a party and got killed...'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my dog barks at anyone who steps on my property long before I know the person is there, and I have cameras.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so when the dog barks, I check the cameras.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love dogs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home most people live in blocks of flats... so all this talk of front yards and what not feels slightly alien. heh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to have two ghost shepherds, but one died.....:('
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ghost shepherds make the best guard dog, they blend in the night quite well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Israel is sitting on top of 250+ billion barrels of shale oil......'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'invade it!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8duck'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and right under the shale oil is one of the largest aquifers in the world, and a water supply that provides Israel with 100% of its water.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er one of the largest in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... good for fracking?'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, they are not using fracking in the fields...they are using a new technique....'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if it works, it will open up the 2 trillion barrels of shale oil in the US to production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess they're too smart to poison themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, depends on how you look at it....the new process involves using chemicals to produce heat to melt the shale oil into a liquid that can be pumped out of the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even Jordan has about 100 billion barrels of oil shale......all these non oil producing countries have tons of oil shale.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Egypt has around 120 trillion cubic feet of shale natgas'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The USGS [U.S. Geological Survey] estimates that the Green River Formation of Colorado, Wyoming and Utah contain about 3 trillion barrels of shale oil, and about half of this may be recoverable based on current technology and technology being perfected now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the shale oil in the US was recoverable, the US could make enough money from taxes to pay off the foreign owned part of the national debt, and have about $50 trillion left over for infrastructure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If man could fly, we wouldn't need stairs'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But we dont need stairs.....:p'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jet pack!'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'debatable...you need a backup function'
T3/r7/2012-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey is chemosh or someone else with a bible handy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a guy has a bad head injury and it turns him into a musical genius.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'sounds about right :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another person had a bad head injury also, and turned into a math genius......all these injuries must be unlocking potential that for some reason isnt available to most people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'kinda think it's like the savant thing... not so much unlocking as just  different wring so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wiring*'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'also people get locked into certain ways of thinking, an injury forces the brain to relearn'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are at least 30 instances of people gaining genius level abilities at things after sustaining a bad head injury.....kinda interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's at least 30 instances of people getting a lot dumber after head injuries, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not as interesting, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey now, dont you be saying bad things about the redneck race! :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can't really talk.  I gave myself a head injury when I hit myself in the head with a pickleball paddle'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to be a pickleball champion !'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'luckily, it was only a plastic one'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but still split my forehead open'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need one of those head injury geniuses to gain talents in physics and engineering, and come up with a warp drive already :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ok but which head injury genius would you want? The one on the recieving end or the creator of sed head injury?:P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh dear'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul's lust for power is set to explode his fathers' movement'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what happened this time?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul came out for Romney'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul supporters are calling foul and are extremely angry,a nd rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'har har har har!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tiger, rand said his father was still #1'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he didn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did so'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just watched the interview on fox in full'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trust fox news instead of cnn'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'name one ploicy romney will change to help the working pl of the US ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's romney camp trying to co-opt the libertarian movement'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, romney was pro mccain offshore oil wasnt he?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he'll help them to better appreciate their superiors!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron's not going to denounce his son, is he? despite the fact that this is exactly what he needs to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron's in a tight spot, he either sticks to his principles and denounces his own son, or he watches his son suck up to Romney and be co-opted and destroy Ron's libertarian movement legacy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lose lose'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the libertarians will have no choice but to cut Ron loose'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole affair sniffs of infiltration and double-dealing'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legacy? You think he's interested in anything other than his own financial legacy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, not another federalist paper debate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people were led to believe so, yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo they only had one candidate - but had to go through the process anyway to get airtime '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not that it matterers imo the US is going down no matter what '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be worried not that it is going down, but -how- it will go down, and how that will affect you personally'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, the soviet union has been saying that for over 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they come after your guns, you'll know the game's up'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the fact that airport restrictions and passport restrictions effectively lock in any citizen without a passport... would affect most of us in a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going abroad wouldn't help you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing you can do at this point is get involved at a local level and resist the top down rule from washington'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'll never be able to opperate a firearm legaly - we still have a .308 SLR at home - I'll give my "ticket speach" to the cunt that says I'm not qualified to opperate it given the invasion .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why will you not legally?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts top down rule is not neccesarily more evil than a local autocracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local autocracies are much easier to dispose fo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no they're not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they are'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look at the government of chicago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about a gigantic city with fed backing'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'most u.s. cities have a form of fed backing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo all civil authorities are hamstrung by liability'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel if they exercise appropriate caution and planning there'd be fewer liabilities'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but works would cost less without such observances - is one way the developing world outpaces the developed world '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh it does, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - I forgot to add IMO'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger government is, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? so say the government of saudi arabia, which is quite small... it's then very representative?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you misunderstand'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'play with me - I may be devils advocate for fun ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're thinking about the physical size of the government, not the number of people that they report to represent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad sorry, earlier someone referred me to a satan worship site, and they dont like vampires =('
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel that site was joyofsatan.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'like I give a fuk - stan can like my clit till I cum on its face imo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old Stan'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzad, so you're female again?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn straight                   -Stanisthelesserof 2 evils - imo- be it or do it '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, he didnt curse women with the burden of pregnancy and menstrual cycles'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but did bless them with constitution and a longer lifespan'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and multiple orgasms'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i guess it comes down to the question of whether or not chicks think they deserve the curse god gave eve, or would rather rebel against god.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Teurastaja Chemosh: 'that's where satan differs from it's worshippers, it's too proud to be abased in prostration to another being, evil snake lion or not, it sees itself as an equal creation to all with all the rights of the rest, except it sees itself as god in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh, then why do they hate vampires'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am pixles - the rest is supposition - tbh me as a bloke was never going to work -I'm not hand to mouth enough '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru bugger the bible - the current market is the comodity traded -- IMO '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tzadkiel even under feudalism, a refusal to bow caused issues... '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as did VD - one behind closed doors and the other not so ... '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'please be more coherent when making personal attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol so z someone had to take the piss outta the initials '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't take it more personally than me including you in the melee - Oz ppl give each other shit as a form of inclusion mate '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back to sleep, the pair of you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you fucking wanker :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ur comments directed me ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tig ur comments directed at me ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who is throwing poo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well thats me idiot - fuckn look at me when you throw shit back :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm wearing sunday best, so i won't be throwing any'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the skin suit is all you mate - very nice - just try an anti wrinkle cream?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh soz - that was foreskin '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz are we allowed to swear on this chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R? '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'this is an xrated channel...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'So I say yes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Fukin A mate ! - lol I'm canadian now :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pissin - brb'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting, they're expecting chemical weapons to be deployed in Syria on a small-medium scale'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the avg mpg of vehicles in the US has increased to 29.6 in 2011, from 19.9 in 1980, and it hovered around 20 mpg from 1980 to 2005.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'is that vehicles in the US, or vehicles made in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And by vehicles, you mean cars?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The successful construction of 351 energy projects stalled by legal and regulatory roadblocks in the US could produce an immediate $1.1 trillion boost to the economy and create 1.9 million jobs annually, according to a new study. Over 20 years, the projects would add $3.4 trillion in GDP, including $1.4 trillion in employment earnings, and an additional one million or more jobs per year'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the last time we threw open the gates to construction, we got saddled with a gigantic (at the time) debt.  I don't think that'll work this time around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've bought too many $200 toilet seats already.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One of the most surprising findings of the Project No Project inventory is that it is just as difficult to build a wind farm in the U.S. as it is to build a coal-fired power plant. In fact, roughly 45% of the challenged projects that were identified are renewable energy projects,'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you see, the treehuggers want wind and solar to be built, they just want it to be built in other countries and not the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'treehuggers don't want wind and solar. Sane people do'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Treehuggers dont need wind and solar. They already hug them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can be built in the US, just not in my back yard'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish has a very large backyard.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'Wind power is a very finacially sound investment, it only takes ~50 years to pay for itself.(assuming you don't have to do any mainenance on it)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'NIMBY has always been very powerful'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? you have to replace it every 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a pretty stupid assumption :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'so is assuming we won't find a better way of getting energy in 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already is, but governments won't invest'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's because of all this craziness that we're already having to take steps to prepare for the possible end of western civilisation in the next century.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi grumbles and growls. You wonder what's wrong...
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we already figured out the best way to get energy....we just dont have the willpower to fund it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we have a YIMBY movement. Maybe you should start one too?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What is that, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal is plentiful, nat gas is plentiful, places for tidal and hydroelectric are plentiful'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no guarantee on that. Problems have turned out to be harder than initially thought...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'coal is pretty disgusting, though'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is your friend.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the commercials tell me that it's cleaner now'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be nice to have a major breakthrough there, but no one has any clear idea on how much funding is needed for that to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'cleaner than bathing in poo'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm pretty sure fusion is something that is both theoretical, and even the theoretical bits require a lot of funding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal just wants some of your clean loving also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like coal, then pay your premium for having renewables and stop insisting that the rest of us pay it for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fusion is real, just look up into the sky :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the present problem for fusion power is primarily one of materials'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Sure. Application in Earth, though, is more problematic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem with fusion, of course, is that it's all very nice if you're doing it in a deep potential well... but...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the cost to build a facility with current designs far outstrips its capacity for providing cheap energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Every state should build 1 new coal plant in the next 10 years, or 2 natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fusion is decades away'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, at this point, fusion will come too late to halt the warming effects'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what warming effects?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar PV is not that far from being cheaper than all other known sources, even if you need to convert it to something else to store the power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the affect of longer growing seasons for food?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean the man-mande global warming due to co2 that doesn't actually exist?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the one you get from co2, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You realize that fusions in stars are contained by gravity? Where are you going to get the materials to contain that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Skyren: magnets'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, instead of using a grav. potential well, you can try other fields...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I'm trying to work with what I know..sorry for my stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is also around 1000 to a billion Earths worth of fusile material in there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a toroidal mechanism can potentially sustain continuous burning...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar + modern fission reactors should be enough for the next few 100 years, until we can get fusion to work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another approach is to whack targets with lasers'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solar is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great for desert countries on the equator and for sunny places off grid'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no good for mainstream generation'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already got it to work.  The problems have been solved, we just need to make it affordably manageable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it is, you just need some way to store it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'solar can also help directly reduce heat'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar is too small, unless you cover all buildings with solar panels....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'd be more thrilled about the prospects for fission if humans didn't consistently and wildly overestimate their preparedness for disaster scenarios'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that would cost a fortune.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Converting to hydrocarbons can be done at around 50% efficiency.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, at some point we might be able to use a solar shade...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sun gives us around 10000 times the energy we need. And if that's not enough, we can always convert the solar system to a dyson sphere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but reducing incoming sunlight would negativeness impact crops'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demand will help reduce the cost of small-scale solar and wind, but it'll never be a significant part of the energy production for at least 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal and natgas is here and now, and cheap....we need to take advantage of that, and make it cleaner as we go.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, another "dyson sphere" nutter'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by that time, we will have figured out how to make real sunlight come out of light sockets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That was a joke, in case you did not realize.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Fluoroscopy is here now and cheap, but it's not the sort of thing you say "we can just make it safer as we go!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, a devestating bioplague may have wiped out 99% of the population by then anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, there're no more feasible paths to reducing our emissions enough to avoid some level of disaster'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Messrs Kissinger and Rockefeller get their way, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what kind of disaster would that be?  A doubling of the co2 in the atmosphere is not a disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You sure?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that case, we have no problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's nice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's going to get pretty hot...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'resource scarcity is a genuine problem'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could increase it by 8x todays level and be as warm as it was a few million years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'give the people a button to push, and they will irresistably push it.  All you have to do is clearly lay out the rewards and consequences.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a sudden change in temperature will make it harder for ecosystems to adapt'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Replace million with 100 million, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it won't be sudden.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do not think to lecture mother earth, she always adapts'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not like it will instantly go from normal to 8x normal....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'historically, except for rare cases tied to extinction events, temperatures don't change this fast'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Co2 levels have never been this high since mammals evolved. '
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and of course, coastal cities are going to get screwed unless they can build barriers quickly'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house is 800 feet above sea level.....you could melt all the ie on the bloody planet and the ocean and I would still be 600 feet above sea level!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'next time dont spent so much money for oceanside real estate!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you melt all the ice in antarctica, I believe sea level will rise about 1km. Not sure about that number tho.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be a significant drop in fertility of humans over the next 50 years, especially in africa/middle east'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure about that, Ranrr?  Mammals lived with the dinosaurs, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr beams a smile at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr beams a smile at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even survived the Chixulub event.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, some of the people that make stuff that you use aren't living more than 10m above sea level, I bet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure they did. 5000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mammals were eaten by the dinosaurs.....that asteroid is what allowed mammals to inherit the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'god put bones in the ground to test your faith'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sea won't rise 10m overnight'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it amuses me when they build vast housing estates on river flood plains and then be shocked when, with torrential rain, the area floods'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like 'hello, paging dumb fucker, that's what flood plains for...''
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Come to England. We got news from Wales of four caravan parks flooded by non stop rain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, skyren, that's what prompted the comment'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah. Havent been following completely'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he's already in England ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming is a myth.....use more coal!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it could be worse, the vast ocean of water underneath the continents could spring a leak and cause the continents to sink.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hello south-east of england, you've got the lowest rainfall in the country with a history of water shortages in adverse weather, let's build a shit load of houses there too, over the course of 100 years, then wonder why they have chronic water shortages'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'coal is a myth, I don't see any in front of me'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Sorry, we at the museum used up ours. Do you think we could borrow some more from the National Museum?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about build a pipeline from the wet part to the dry part ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or would that be to much common sense ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was reccommended after the great drought of 1976'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what happened'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I love how resources are in north, but demand is in south. Always the way in UK from what I see.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, I don't believe there are water shortages anywhere, because I have plenty of water here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What happened? I've only been in Uk for a short while...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing happened'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Three cheers for non-ideal governments! Hip hip...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, same with Las Vegas.....the north of Nevada gets 50 inches of rain a year, while the south gets under 5'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but how long that would take is also not precisely known, and could take a long time. The question is, how much would photosynthesis change if you increase the co2 concentration?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, well the english government is as unrepresentative and gives the illusion of choice, works in the interests of the global elite. It's like the American government except that at least they have a constitution that they keep tripping over and the threat of 800 million guns in the hands of it's citizens'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'las vegas wants to build a pipeline from the north to the south to provide water, but idaho and the north nevadans are fighting it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 22 of those guns.....*peer*'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why do they need water, 50 million years ago there was no water there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'I know. I envy America for actually having politicians that get out there and actually work to serve the country, and are in the government. I dont hear of anyone like that here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, death valley and southern nevada was most likely underwater a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Knowing what happened...from UK. What do you think you would choose? 50:50 conservative:lib-lab coalition or the present govt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you miss the bit about an illusion of choice?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a shallow inland sea, then the mountains blocked off the rain.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no difference'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you only have 2 parties to choose from?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not strictly speaking'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but effectively'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in england, the commie party is actually the capitalist party, and the liberal party is actually the conservative party, and so on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US only has 2 real parties, but 2-3 other minor parties.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'See...I have been swayed. Meh...Thats why I didnt choose to go for politics.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greens, libertarians, and the socialist'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could always vote for the pirate party, that's what all the 1337 kids do nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cower in fear as Skyren prepares to unleash another meaningless barrage of d00dspeak.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you have one in the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BNP'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parliamentary system here pretty much excludes minor parties'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by desgin'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... how much is the piratenpartei or whatever it's called polling now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would it involve deporting 5 million illegals back to africa ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is probably a racist party as well....'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BNP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'YEP!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have one in sweden, unfortunately...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bnp are just a protest party, vote ukip'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you feel voting is even relevent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You know what, I had to debate FOR BNP once...an impromptu debate, and ironic - I'm Asian by origin.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote for sale, highest bidder take it all!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'asian? -- use japanese logic'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mongol ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Go "ayayayayayayayay---die!" and bomb the Parliament. Long live f'd up chaos.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Not my idea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Skyren, that outburst may get you jailed if you are in Britain England'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Ah ok. Me shuts up now. But in honest truth, I just wish thd government is something you can trusy on. Thats all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments are known liars, they should not be trusted, they are not your friend'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Skyren is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're family!  Theyre' called Big Brother for a reason, you know.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Govt was never meant to be trusted, it was meant to spend your money and lie to you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: '...Families dont go spying in bathrooms. If the govt wants to, they will.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of big brother, govt is more like an ex wife.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than that, it's illegal for people to do it, why do governments think it's allowed for them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you must've have a very tame family, Skyren.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Or maybe I'm not in a family of perverts :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Gaah...bad image.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's also illegal to shoot someone in the head.  You're not exactly going to rage on the police officer who just shot some dude with a knife coming after you, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'You're not allowed to cary a plank and walk in the streets of London.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Solution: Be a plank.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there should be no different rules for cops as for people'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are people'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bobbies are not cops.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should be able to charge your landlord rent!'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'landlords should be able to boot your ass out for any reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps being a landlord should be illegal'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, a whole bunch of telecoms equipment made in the china and sold to the US has backdoors for the chinese intelligence servies to use for the purposes of spying'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the stuff they use for sensitive purposes is surely made in-country...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about misreading into the "backdoors"...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'blown quite out of proportion...the backdoor was in the spec sent by the US company to the manufacturer in China, not something the Chinese snuck in'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't make it any less of a back door'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does make it not what you claimed it to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'What if the US company was run by the Chinese? o.O'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, can't even trust your own companies these days...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but maybe you never could...'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was debug/test mode'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'deemed too expensive to build a version of the chip with it enabled to test with and another version of the chip without it, for production...it's the same thing as the reset button on your router at home'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no need since they record everything you do, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(that got him :-) )'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists at Princeton University were able to achieve major gains in light absorption and efficiency of solar cells after being inspired by the wrinkles and folds on leaves. The team created a biomimetic solar cell design using a relatively cheap plastic material that is capable of generating 47 percent more electricity than the same type of solar cells with a flat surface.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A mortgage firm backed by a number of prominent West Coast financiers is pushing local politicians in California and a handful of other states hardest hit by the housing crisis to use eminent domain to restructure mortgages that borrowers owe more money on than their homes are actually worth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they want government to take our mortgages?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much, and then the mortgages would be sold to hedge funds and other investment products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so would that mean we still have to pay them down?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but at a reduces value'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would get to stay in your house with a new valuation and a lower payment, and the state makes some money, as do the investors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wonder what the catch is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only ones that lose money would be the banks who drag their feet on redoing the mortgages in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the plan is to force banks to redo mortgages quicker.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reasoning is that the original creditors have already lost money on it, and the loss is priced into the loan's market value. So by restructuring it, you can do it in a way that no one actually loses'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and government always does things transparently and exactly how they say.  I can't afford to buy your bridge, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thats ok, I already sold the bridge to fannie mae.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The results could be entertaining. The week after the writing test mess, the department sent out a media advisory announcing the next round of test scores. It was titled  and you cant make this stuff up  "Department of Eduation to Release Reading and Mathmetics Results." "'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'microsoft's making a patent to tailor advertisements to a person's emotional state, isn't that odd?  the engineering of consent to a new invasive level, they'll monitor your search queries, facial expressions on captured video and photographs, vocal discussions over the internet and other stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Zany. Never thought MS and Sony would get into an adwar of this stripe'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Last Moment Robot includes a monitor that displays the message "End of life: detected" and an arm-like apparatus that caresses the individual's arm while in the bed. http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/06/last-moment-robot-will-guide-you-through-to-your-death.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this one's pretty odd too, but not quite as odd i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how it'll work out in some european places where their language makes them sound like they're angry when they're not'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if it's really true that we vote based on our prejudices or not.  According to http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/comes-politics-more-racist-think-185600847.html if Obama loses just 2 percentage points he's a third less likely to win the popular vote.'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'teens snorting drugs for exams with approval of parents'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/education/seeking-academic-edge-teenagers-abuse-stimulants.html?src=me&ref=general'
T3/r7/2012-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '""Once you break the seal on using pills, or any of that stuff, its not scary anymore  especially when youre getting As," said the boy who snorted Adderall in the parking lot. He spoke from the couch of his drug counselor, detailing how he later became addicted to the painkiller Percocet and eventually heroin."'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would anyone want to buy a gamer pc?  Do people still play games on a pc ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'more importantly, does any game even NEED a gamer PC anymore that isn't a tech demo?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wil: 'are you kidding me? the PC is still an awesome gaming platform'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'if you bought a $3000 rig five years ago, you can now get something better off any old computer store's shelf for $600'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'armer rofl'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'throw on another $200 for a nvidia and you're set'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'i speak from experience :{'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it seems a lot gamer pcs are around $1000 now...and have 16 gigs of ram.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 gig video cards'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why not just cluster a bunch of old 30$ throwaway machines'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'space I reckon'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've got space.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hmm, would save money until you get your power bill :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fates, electric is free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the consoles are better performance/price cause they are not meant for direct profit ive heard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'heat the place year round too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'not the PS3, though most of that cost/power is wasted on DRM-related checks and other nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fates, not sufficiently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adding the blueray capability to watch movies on the ps3 was a bad idea....my ps3 died after 1.5 years. :('
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'armer with a decent xen system you could make the windows system think it was the only machine, even while using the extra resources accross the lan'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'it is quite weird. europe is generally a darn cool place and have only a few places that sucks. yet. the word "euro" should be a sum of all the stuff happening in Europe, it is a shit word for all the crap that happens here. that bugs me. '
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hah, the evil countries are trying to wrestle control of the internet from the US.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nobody has control of the interwebs'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'And at the same time the US wants to demolish it entirely'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"Your First Amendment rights can be terminated," yells the Chicago police officer, caught on video right before arresting two journalists outside a Chicago hospital.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'old news'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so was your mom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, and another of obama's renewable energy companies is going out of business......his renewable energy fund loaned $237 million to build a lithium ion battery factory in michigan, the factory was almost built.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, businesses never collapse, something must be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'how did batteries qualify as a renewable energy source :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'solar and wind I can see batteries charge off those damn coal plants :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt the business, it is the industry....unless you put tons of tariffs on south korean and chinese imported batteries, american made batteries cannot compete except with huge govt loans.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the batteries were supposed to go in a new generation of american built electric cars that didnt happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also didnt help that the batteries overheated and had to be recalled in the few vehicles that did use them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How much ram does your pc have ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, coal power has dropped from 51% of US power production in 2008, to 40% of power production this year......burn more coal!'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas and wind has dropped the coal %.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Power plants that burn coal produce more than 90 times as much sulfur dioxide, five times as much nitrogen oxide and twice as much carbon dioxide as those that run on natural gas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good to see market forces reducing the amount of coal that is burned for power in the US....keep the bloody govt out of business.'
T3/r7/2012-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Regulation needs to be kept at a minimum so that business is not dampened or stopped altogether.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}offline from 23:00:00 on June 12th through 06:35:54 on June 13th
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 in 5 homes in the US has high levels of radon.....You should get checked.....High levels of radon is like breathing in 5 packs of cigarette smoke each day, and doubles your chances of getting lung cancer which kills 21,000 people each year from radon exposure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, made the mistake of looking at a cancerous lung of a smoker......'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, stealth sanctions! "The United States extended exemptions from its tough, new sanctions on Iran's oil trade to seven more economies on Monday, leaving China the last remaining major importer exposed to possible penalties at the end of the month." -Reuters'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'zombies'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Should zombie on zombie crimes be tolerated?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how many iraqi dinar should you buy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How many Iraqui I should by dinner for?'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'buy*'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of them, get to it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, all 3 of them left :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if it helps, I hear iraqi food is pretty good'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but there are no Irquis left to cook it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Iraquis*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Scientists urge Rio moves on population and consumption http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18422619 If the billion poorest people are to have adequate access to food, water and energy, the academies say, developed countries will have to reduce their own consumption of natural resources.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of this?  in developed countries there's poor people too, who watch the fat-cats eat for free and at great luxury their whole lives'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( can you spell F-A-T C-H-A-N-C-E? )
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like it's the same in undeveloped countries, should places that have ample resources to sustain themselves, human and otherwise 'made in china' consumer products'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have to lower their standards to that of a 3rd world country like africa which lives on fertile land but doesn't provide for itself?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they have some unsustainable breeding habits?  the population of china fits into a land the size of saskatchewan and alberta for instance'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should canadians have their quality of life diminished because of places like that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'euthanize, I say!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should replace the fat-cats or add a larger variety of thinkers to their group who aren't all-set on them above all else'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of these people at this meeting are filthy rich and plan to stay that way whatever they enforce on the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, the never to suggest distribution of wealth!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nerve*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you guys gonn make me fart on the debate channel again huh?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'peoples actions are results of their thoughts, and thoughts and behaviours are largely handed down by the government, who's the peak of society'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if population number's and stuff's a problem, why don't they replace the failure that resulted in the problem, after it's concluded that people didn't choose all their evil choices by their own free will?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about peak. Government rule by the gun, and many of their gun carriers have trouble tying their shoes without watching the video first.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So you are suggesting to remove the government to stop the population problem?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that would be impossible wouldn't it?  reworking it to think of efficiency and perfection instead of itself sounds good though, as long as it's justified in the land where it's enforced'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't eat because we have to feed china doesn't sound very much like a justification does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think government should be removed on general principles...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And if we didn't feed China (through trade), do you think that they would trade with us?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as in "who the fuck do they think they are?" Their shit stinks more than mine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I agree that (I assume you are talking about the U.S.) the government is not what it needs to be, but as it stands, it provides many needed functions to ensure society doesn't break down.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i got no problem with people people eating, they have to eat, and i don't agree with genocide, but eventually making populations into thinking groups of non-promiscuous animals who comprehend the consequences of overpopulation and things like that, would overall raise the morality of the world i think'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am allergic to being ruled. Ask my parents :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also be democratic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they'll ever get past the greedy people who run it though, there's not much chance of that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anarchy is underrated.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, everyone should have the capacity to understand the principles of overpopulation.  The problem is, no one is there to *teach* them that they shouldn't overpopulate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, also, to give them the ability to not overpopulate other than abstinence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'contraception costs money. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'decimator, oh come on, most of the jerks preaching overpopulation dont contribute to society anyways, they just spend money and whine'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rats know the principle of overpopulation without being taught. When they the population gets too big, they begin to exterminate each other until matters are under control again. There is no need for a degree in sociology to solve the problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, I'm not talking about them, am I?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I am referring to those people who actually wish to solve the problem by educating others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or through other methods, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can educate all you want, but the hormones that cause people to want to procreate have a tendency to override reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, I'm just saying, there are a fair number of people who would prefer to stop already but lack the ability.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, that's not what happens.  What happens is the rats run into a large resource overconsumption which results in large deaths of many of them, until the resources return to sustain the population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they eat each other, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'very efficient way to contro overpopulation :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Hmm, I'll take your word for it.  But humans will probably run into a resource deficit before we start mass genocides.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'control*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'At least in the U.S., Britain, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Perhaps elsewhere they may start, but probably not in more democratic nations, I wouldn't think so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think maintaining glamourous illusions like hollywood programs into peoples minds is more important than maintaining people's conception of reality and that the glamourous lifestyle's only good as long as it doesn't remove the real'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did you call what happen at Wounded Knee, what happened in India, Africa, and the Americas under European colonization? A very crude campaign of eugenics, to be sure, but effective as hell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was an article on aljazeera about a japanese community who's independent lifestyle saved alot of them from being swept away, while it was frowned upon by the government, who prefers to handle all the basic considerations of survival for it's people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just that's what i noticed about it, yeah they got a point there i thought, most people looked devastated and lost, panicked without self-direction and scrutiny, not being consumed by lies is a good way to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Europeans set out to wipe out native populations so they could spread to the new lands.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I doubt during a war that they were concerned about population.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some of the video's i seen'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lebensraum'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, war is about profit and the easiest way to make a profit is to wipe out the population of the target land and take what's left behind. Oh, but leave some bodies live so that they can clean the toilets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's why some people don't reproduce, they see how evil the world their government rules over is, even by it's own hand, how they let invaders through the economic policy's and things like that, and they don't want their children to be at the mercy of them in the future'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also how the law will allow criminals off the hook based on money and loophole technicalities that are honored over rational judgement'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If I recall though, the population growth of several developed countries is already at the slow-growth or no-growth range of the spectrum.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Chemosh, anyone who can reproduce will try. I worry about those who fight their hormones. Those facial tics scare me a lot. Especially when I see them walk into a McDonalds...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in many european countries it's in the negative-growth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Exactly, and as the other nations become more developed, I believe the growth there will slow down as well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has been decreasing. actually, one of the biggest things that slows growth (iirc, the class was a LONG time ago) is increased education and job opportunities for women.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that has nothing to do with enlightenment, that is probably caused by low testosterone or estrogen. That doesn't stop them from mating :) In fact, that's one of the solutions to may fly infestation, flood them with sterile males :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I said a while ago.  If you educate the population, they will reproduce less frequently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That usually happens on a class basis Majic, it is very rarely a broad spectrum trend'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, I believe the trend has been downwards around much of the world recently.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'female's seem to be some of the most irrational people on earth, how concerned they are about how they look above all else'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some males are feminine, even if they're sterotyped as the epitaph of masulinity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and culture tries to be like their idols'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It makes sense if you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the upper and middle classes, more than likely. Immigration of the lower class is burgeoning in developed countries, however'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because every female acts the exact same way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there might be some local downtrends, but the imperative to procreate is not something to turn off by reading Descartes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you educate them about the right things...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, come to think about it. I think I would not want to procreate after reading Descartes :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if you were conditioned from birth to be nothing but physically attractive,  you'd probably be concerned abou tit as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'procreation has nothing to do with attractiveness in that sense, Averan. Procreation is the strongest drive of any living being, and humankind is no exception.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the need to keep the race going is paramount.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'ah, I was replying to the guy who called women irrational for being concerned about their appearance'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I should have been more clear'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know a fair few who aren't very concerned, and quite a lot of others who are only concerned at some times (i.e. date night)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'trust me, when the hormones flow, the ugliest being in the world will look like a model :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, there is a difference between continuing the race and letting it grow out of proportion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Decimator. But what keeps the race going also causes it to overgrow.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you ever watched a plague of locust?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will devour everything in sight until there is no more food, then they die of starvation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Humans don't have a need anymore to very heavily procreate.  In additions, humans have had the capability to stop procreation entirely in a variety of ways, if they so choose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I said before.  Overpopulation leads to a resource deficit, which then leads to mass death.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh? Really, we lost the genetic imperative? How? By reading Descartes or Kant?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'By informing people that if the current growth of humans continues, there will be a mass disaster due to overpopulation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you have never been a teenager. Nothing but walking hormones bent on procreation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't really motivate people. what motivates people is 'if i have more babies, i can't do fun stuff' which in turn requires fun stuff to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will believe that less than they believe in global warming, Decimator.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the people I know who are planning on not procreating are doing so because they don't feel the need for a kid and think it'd tie them down. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's true already, Majic. People no longer have 15 or 20 kids, they only have 2 or 3, on the average.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course. which slows growth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's proof that people understand. There is a natural order to things. The reason they had 15 or 20 was because the population was low, now that it is high, they only have 2 or 3. Some day they will have less than 1. But we are not there yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Whereas, in some areas of the world, people are still having over 5?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, also, lesser ability to control reproduction, earlier transition to adulthood (if you're 30 and living in your parents basement, you don't want to procreate yet)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the us's rate is about 2.05 now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You want global control of the birth rate, that's not going to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are saying that in some isolated village people should stop having children because China  is overcrowded.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It's gotten to the point that globalization has taken over this aspect too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so again, you want some controller to tell you when to get laid, good luck to you I am leaving.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Not that, simply to educate them, and through education, they will see why they would need to get birth control of some sort, or not have as many children.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can see why you need to get it and still lack the ability'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I sure as hell don't want some jerk to tell me to put a clamp on it then goes and finds him so skirt to do him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially in certain countries where the catholic church is extremely influential in government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, Majic, and provide it to them cheaply, or free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hindus are not catholic...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, so you don't think that we have ways to still enjoy the pleasures without having to have children?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, i didn't say hindus were catholic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and nods deci, cheap/convenient/easy to use control would help a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I'm not saying "no sex", I am saying reduce the offspring.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'THROUGH birth control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially control that doesn't depend on both partners being willing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'As I've said, Decimator. People are already doing that, the birth rate has been falling for the last 100 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But globally?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Globally it isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes it is. if you look at the TFR for the whole world, it is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's projected to cap out in ~50 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not globally. People don't live that close together. Remember the rats.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'at about 9b people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then I'll gladly quiet up about this, I guess it isn't a problem at all then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Look at it this way. A natural disaster in an overpopulated area reduces the population accordingly. Eventually, nature will take care of itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is a problem. but it is also dropping.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well it's still a pretty significant problem, but 9b is within the possible realm of supportable population on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's pretty much the upper limit though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'An earthquake in Los Angeles *might* kill 1. An earthquake in China might kill 100000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it has.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's natural population control.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, technically speaking, a natural disaster isn't tied to the size of the population, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but the number of people killed by it would be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't say it was, but the results are still there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, but within a given timeframe, the deaths are proportional to the potential offspring that could be provided in the area, too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am sure you consider your lifespan as significant, but by the Earth clock, is only a few ticks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And yet in the short time humans have been on the Earth, what all have we done?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'eventually the Earth will restore itself, somehow. As if the people don't get on with the program they will be wiped out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'We've invented cheese.  I think that's a mighty fine accomplishment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'created art, technology, broadcasted a signal into the stars that will carry on forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'also explored other planets'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think that the current life cycle is the only one ever to exist on the planet? Life has been wiped out many times before our current stage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I mean, given our short time on earth, as a race...we still have accomplished much, and also we have scarred the Earth significantly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but we're also slowly learning to be less dumb'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we're just children at this point'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a self-tribute which is rather meaningless since you don't have another race to compare it to :) You can't say, look what he have done! In less time than the Martians, no less!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'for example rates of violent crimes have been going down since we started measuring them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no way to say one way or another whether we have accomplished anything significant or not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we've managed to not kill ourselves off with nukes for a few decades more than anyone thought we would manage'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'My main point is what we have done to the earth. You make it sound as if humans are insignificant, yet we have scarred the Earth in more ways than one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the fact that there is crime makes me think that we are not that far along.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'compare to the Universe as a whole, humans ARE insignificant.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'of course we're not anaristos, the first thing I said was that we're still children'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but by all metrics we're getting better slowly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, ok, but neither is a solar system or a galaxy compared to the Universe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'our metrics, we calibrate the scale and proclaim victory!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so I mean, instead of focusing on the negative and questioning why the human race should even exist, I choose to look forward and work towards something better'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't question our existence :) I question the continuation of said existence :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Unles we can learn to breathe vacuum, we are in for a rude ending.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'breathe... vacuum?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And I think, given the right techniques, that we will continue for quite a while, barring some natural cataclysmic event.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we're always in for a rude ending unless we colonize other planets. even then, eventually the universe will run down and die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes, so we can move this plague of locust to another planet :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Heat death.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine, humanity devouring the galaxy...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'galaxy*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think people should be allowed to colonize other planets until this one is respected, what if there's life on them and it's respected as much as it was here?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Eww, what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Sorry, don't know what I was thinking there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably end up with the same ignorant ogliarchal hierarchy in outer space'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that won't happen, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'even getting people to live on the moon or mars is absurdly difficult'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Given the chances of life on other planet, it will probably be very far away from our solar system and galaxy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we won't have to worry abou the morality of extrasolar exploration for a long, long time'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If there are others out there, they are going to view humanity as an infestation. Maybe they will take care of the overpopulation problem for us :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'You sound almost as if you want it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'fucking art and music creating bacteria'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'kill 'em all'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if we don't get to it soon, Averan. We won't get to it at all. We won't last that long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I simply dont' agree with your pessimism sorry'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'what exactly is going to kill us off?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we'll run out of resources to get us there in the first place, more liekly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Bacteria, lack of resources, natural disasters...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'natural disasters won't ever end the race'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'false.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'There has been evidence of world-wide, huge disasters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly could. big-ass asteroid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well events like giant-asteroid happen on a scale of millions of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm willing to take odds that we'll be able to deal with it, by the time it happens'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said 'won't ever''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's different than taking odds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'touche, I spoke wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will agree, though, that the probability is low.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Isn't there an astroid that may hit the earth within the next couple of hundred years?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's one that's going to come really close in like 2040 or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'apophis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but the trajectory has been calculated pretty accurately now, chances of it hitting are close to 0'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's going to make a great spectacle though as it flies across the sky'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only consolation is that outer space will be ruthlessly imposing its own population control. It will sit and wait for the little mistake... :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I mean things like global warming, resource scarcity are what we should be talking about if we want to talk about possible ends of the species'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'And on the news tongiht, a micro meteorite perforated one the domes on Mars, 20000 dead. News at 11.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'those aren't a, "Maybe it'll happen" Scenario they're a, "Will it be 20 or 100 years before it hits" scenario'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we live that long :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, it's better than dying out completely, Anaristos.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you still haven't even said what you think is going to kill us in the next few decades'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, well, I don't want to sound glum :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>don't want to sound glum'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But about nuclear weapons, I doubt that will happen, due to MAD.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'instead you'll just make some prophetic hand-waving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I believe that humanity will survive. I just fill sorry for the Universe because of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you never know. there might be even worse alien races.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'As I said, consider us a plague of locust.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And since you think that way, why don't you just take us all out anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, tempting :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You think that because I don't have a rosy opinion of humanity that there is something wrong with me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think it's just an easy opinion that a lot of people take up knee-jerkily without investigating'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you seem to wish for humanity what you claimed was intensely unnatural for humans to wish -- that is, cessation of reproduction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact is, that humans are terrible to the Earth and terrible to each other. I won't even mention how they are toward women and children :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So "humans" are only males then, and women and children are of a different race?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, cession of procreation is against human (or any living organism's) nature.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'both women and children suck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and you'll ignore everything I've said about how we've improved in every time period'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was a joke, Decimator :) Haven't you eve read Gargantua?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we came from apes, and we're moving on to something better than human'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt that, Averan. For mutations to occur you must have unbridled procreation :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we have brains'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'We could make our own genetic variation, now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'brains allow evolution that isn't biological'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, more than that, for beneficial mutations to be selected for you need something culling the slow and weak.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we're culturally and technologically evolving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or just some bioengineer designing a new gene that will provide benefitial effect "xxx".'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would favor that. But those who have no qualms about dropping tactical weapon of crowded locales balk at genetic engineering...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yet research on the subject is still continuing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we could make a lot of strides even if we could find a way to choose which of the zillion sperm cells gets there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(i.e. genetic analysis)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we don't even need to biologically evolve, as we're culturally and technologically evolving'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for one, we could get rid of diseases like cystic fibrosis in a couple of generations.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and that's a vastly more powerful tool'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the research should have been finished by now, but the threat of burning at the mythical stake has  slowed it down considerably.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yes, and a couple of centuries from now, everyone will be rosy with it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'The same thing happened with science in general.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine where we would be know if Galileo had not been threatened? If scientists of the area didn't have to scurry around with their research? Same thing is happening now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'era not area :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ah.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you're complete misinformed'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'yes I am.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there's massive amounts of all kinds of genetic research done everywhere around the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure I am. I will go to my doctor and ask him to clone me a new leg, get rid of this LCS problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yeah, no one knows how to clone legs yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'america dropped the ball for a bit, but that's a normal part of science'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'it isn't like they know how to and are just not doing it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'They just haven't found a method yet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'lots of other countries have screwed up their research in certain areas due to politics and bounced back'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, not so that they cut the one you have now and put the new one on. Or better yet, have you grow a new one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Erm, isn't that what I just said?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I read that as "science doesn't match up with my wild fantasies!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Of course they have, Averan. That was my point. But my question is where would we be if the assholes in power kept their grubby little hands off research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, we have functional human ears off the backs of pigs...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a decade or so ahead of where we are now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'in one field of science'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think you're over-reacting'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the hypocrisy here is that they only allow research that profits them. After the ninja scientists figure out how to do cloning for profit, the politician will jump on the bandwagon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'science (especially biological) is a slow, tedious business'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I'm a ninja. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And until then, the scientists will continue researching.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not that slow, though I grant it is tedious.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'science is also a very expensive process, the money has to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, we should spent 250K a day in Iraq, but not on science.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I doubt the gov has completely shunned science...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, science that benefits the miliary moves along without hindrance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So you don't believe genetics can benefit the military???'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: '...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>make sweeping comments about humanity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '>narrowly focus criticism on a single country'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and I'm out'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine the government putting as much effort into cloning research as they did on the Manhattan project...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what's true here is true elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'spending money to protect science and keep sciencing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as they make a profit, sure :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Fine, Anaristos, you design a utopian, communistic state that actually works and will study all fields of science equally...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aviation science has grown by leaps and bounds, for instance? Do you think that's because governments wanted better transportation for the people?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think one of the reasons they keep their grubby little hands on research as justification to themself is problems like overpopulation and who care's if they die if they don't know we're causing it, they're too irrational to comprehend democratic decision making as a society so we have to do that for them, it's not like it's as bad as some of the other population control that's happened in the past - but i think it would still be better if government took peoples minds off illusions long enough to stimulate their understandings of the problems that cause grubby little hands to feel justified where they are, and then democratically consider the situations at large - this reminds of the good shepherd 'led like sheep to the slaughter''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'civilian aviation use the hand-me-downs from military aviation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think strangely though, i just don't comprehend most people who value living as choosing suicidal decisions when alternatives exist, which might be a little more inconvenient but not neccessarily'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, in general, that is true for all the science that ends up generating consumer products.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, in order to reject suicide you must value life, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, you design a better way to do it, and make it work, if you consider bashing the way things are done now (even though flaws are in the way it is now).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hey, just because I am not an automotive engineer doesn't mean I can't tell wether a car is good or not :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'No, I mean about the scientific process in the U.S. in general.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you don't think that it should go military to civilian over time, then design a state in which all branches of science are studied equally and are released to the public immediately.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not significant enough to impact the process. I chose not to participate in funded projects where the paymasters had a separate agenda.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Scientists tend to turn a blind eye to the outcome of their research. Again, I point to the Manhattan project where they blithely went along with a project which resulted in the death of over 200K people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then don't do it, but there are tons of other scientists that would.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely. There is no whore like a scientific whore :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'The way I see it, either a) do what they tell you, b) don't do it, and complain about what happens as a result of the people that do, or c) design your own method, which others will follow, that does what you want it to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'For option C, however, you need $.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do what they tell you? So you think that a great scientist should take directions from a jerk that graduated from Noname U with a 2.0 average?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I gave you a choice.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you didn't answer the question :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Never said I agreed with any one of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But if the scientist can't find funding, then they either must take directions from the 2.0 GPA or starve.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that is the whole problem, scientific research is lead, not by scientists but, by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with science. So the best one can expect is some corrupt outcome.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then get a lot of cash, and run a team of scientists yourself to get unbiased outcomes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, there is no whore like a scientific whore :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a scientist will kill his mother for a research grant. Scientists, as a group, have no principles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, if you don't wish to do that, I don't see anyone else who will work for free, especially someone who could be hired by a company for a very high price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you don't like the way it is, change it.  But don't complain for complaints sake.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, I like your attitude. Instead of changing the system so that it works properly, you want does under the system to comply or walk :) You bring honor to the plague of locusts :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'does = those*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Fine, get rid of the entire system and make a new one, but that would be IMPOSSIBLE>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Thus I am suggesting the only option that could work.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If you want me to blithly spit out fanciful nonsense without regard to reality...I can do that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be difficult. It would require scientists to stop being whores. Once scientists refuse to be bought, change can be brought about.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you dangle a dollar in front of scientist and he will roll over and play dead for you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But you must get a majority of scientists to do that, and someone to fund them.  The scientists have to eat too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Its like the whole idea of programmers doing what the CEO wants.  The CEO gives the programmers what they need to survive, so the programmers will be fairly loyal to the CEO, for example.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are too modern :) In the past, many of the scientists consider crucial to us today didn't do research as a means to support themselves, they had other occupations and did research on their own.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I'm only thinking in terms of how the world is today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me point out that Einstein was a patents clerk when he developed the special theory of relativity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ben Franklin lived off the fruits of his plantation :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Undertaken Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I realize that, but one must be proficient in both science (which may or may not require a Ph. D or Masters, at least, no?) and whatever profession they have to support themselves (which also may require a degree).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And also the mindset to do science for free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Einstein had a PHD (or the equivalent) but he realized that he had to eat, so he got a job. He didn't look for a way to make money off his training. People just didn't do that, not as a rule, anyway. Now, people go to school just so that they can become paid researchers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, like I said, someone also must have the mindset to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is sparse nowadays.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So I doubt your idea will come to fruitation soon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure. But research as a career is not necessary for scientific breakthroughs.  In fact, I think it hinders said breakthroughs because many of the discoveries and inventions of the past were labors of love, something a paid researcher will tone down as much as required to get his paycheck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of them were more accessible in the past.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I never claimed it was.  But it is nigh impossible to see someone with a Ph. D or Masters in their field to not get paid for it, and instead work at job "xxx" while they perform highly costly research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'In this time period, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, much research requires expensive equipment which simply isn't affordable as a 'labor of love''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Also, some of the breakthroughs back then could also be performed without much cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's modern attitude, Decimator. You can have a PHD in Physics and work elsewhere. It is only in modern times that people insist in working in the field they studied in school. Had this been the attitude of the past, there would have a lot less scientific breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Curie was a doctor.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Oh my gosh!  I just said that it was according to a modern view of society.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, a lot of heads of state would pay researchers anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I never said "this was they way they did it", I am saying "this is the way the do it currently".'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you may be able to work elsewhere, but you won't be able to afford expensive equipment and you likely won't be able to afford 40+ hours a week in addition to 40+ hours a week on your regular job.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, the low-hanging fruit has already been plucked.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Which is what I've been trying to say.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Except for that last statement.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Majic. But now, not only do they pay but the insist on what has to be developed. Past heads of state just let the scientists loose. Now, they have to deliver a guidance system and not concentrate on anything else that has no bearing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, and it would be nice if they didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but very damn few people can afford to do any sort of real science as a labor of love at this point. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But as I said, there's no concievable way to do that now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator noddles in total agreement at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that was what brought so many breakthroughs. the fact that the researchers just roamed around the scientific landscape looking for something new.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And also that these breakthroughs could be performed with minimal cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and how many breakthroughs weren't made because someone had more stuff to do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fermat, for example, was an absolute genius and one of the last great mathematicians to have his mathematical work as a primarily amateur sideline to his real career. imagine if he'd had the time to put into his math. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if your job, with your shiny PHD, is just to develop a component for a targeting system. You are hardly going to have a chance to discover whether gravity is a quantum effect.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you may, but it is doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler burps loudly.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Fart'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler giggles.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler accidentally poops in his own shoes.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And if you can't get money to pay for the shiny equipment to discover if grravity is a quantum effect, or be able to earn money to support yourself, you won't figure it out either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but can you afford AArd gear?!  thats the real question'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator slaps Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '8grin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not to be mistaken with 9grin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'getting drunk makes it harder to perform socials :('
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'How do you propose they get the money to do that, Ana?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'well to get gold you kill mobs silly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, out of curiosity, *which* curie were you claiming was a doctor?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Again, I point out that Einstein was a patents clerk. He worked on his theories on his own time. Our putative PhD developing a component for the targeting system will hardly work on anything else on his spare time. Again, he may, but it is doubtful.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But Einstein was Einstein and was working in a theoretical field.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and to have intellectual conversations you go to a chat room or website meant for that....NOW GO BACK TO KILLING MOBS, LVLING UP, THIS IS  A GD VIDEO GAME REMEMBER'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his theory has since been worked with experimentally ... which you'd need to pay for.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is doubtful, because he already has a job that binds him to a set path, so really calling him a researcher requires some generosity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I want to debate why the hell everyone likes to debate boring shit on here'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then turn off the Debate channel, Dirk.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because not everyone is a semi-literate troglodyte like you, dirk.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't argue that Majic. My point is that an 9to5ver is not going to make many breakthroughs because he is just looking to get a paycheck.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'no..lets debate why somebody who hates the debate channel wants to keep it on....'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Lets not, and say we did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wait....i wanna debate why my mom is such a whore'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, they are because someone is paying them to make certain breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but a 9to5er in some other job isn't going to make that many breakthroughs in anything other than possibly theory, which is going to need to be confirmed anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey...you are all in the matrix and don't exist irl...now go try to kill yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, the frontiers of knowledge are further out than they used to be. you have to know a hell of a lot more now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'f'in nerds'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Einstein was already getting a paycheck from the patents office, so his time after work was his own to do what he enjoyed, which turned out to be working of theoretical breakthroughs :) Our modern researcher will leave work and go to the nearest bar to get rid of the whore feel :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Lol.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the people I know who have a real research job spend their own time thinking about their work as well ... 'course, they're at a public university.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just mean that regimented research will bear very little fruit. Unless the fruits have commercial value.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, but there are other opportunities out there besides being hired by a company.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'heres a debate:  make good grades in school while still partying every chance, do the same in college, major in biology and get a medical career like me...then you can screw with nerds all day while getting paid at your job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Here is the telling point. Einstein could not be stopped because no one was funding him so no one could control the outcome of his research. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and smoke weed daily'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what a university is supposed to do. Say 'here, go research something interesting.''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what tenure's for. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'works for me...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, that's because he was doing theory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i dont have to bitch about anything besides the lazy ppl out there taking up my tax money'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'BAM'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Someone doing theoretical research now can sit and do theory all day.  But to actually prove it is a different story.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've been a university researcher... I know that it is all about control. The fund provider has absolute say on what gets developed unless you can show that the collateral research is also profitable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'At a public university as well as a private one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you chose university poorly :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the university controllers are worse than the fund providers. The are the madams in the brothel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'A lot of universities actually provide a LOT of freedom in what you can do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you are all being a burden to society right now....kill yourselves and leave me your TP to spend while I get paid at work :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have worked at more than one university. All of them with international reputations as the best of the best (their words :)). The game is the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Just because something crappy is going on in a few universities doesn't mean its true for everything?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know a fair number of people who are research fellows at unis, who have pretty much nothing remotely profitable to show anyone, and who have a good amount of latitude'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And just because they say they are doesn't mean they actually are.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just because they let you publish in blue paper rather than white doesn't mean you have freedom. What freedom you get is the space they give you because they don't care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but let it be a matter where the fund provider is specific and you have no freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Are you still speaking for every University out there?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course not, I am not a bigot :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'working at more than one doesn't mean you didn't choose poorly multiple times'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is true Abe. I went where my field led me :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Then I must say a significant amount do offer you a large freedom in what you can do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether the poor choice was in a particular field, or in the unis themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a field can be a poor choice only if you can't get funded :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some fields are going to be more prone to that type of structure, by the cost/risk/benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in modern times, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey guys...lets talk bout this more in depth....maybe we will all find the asnwer and all the worlds problems....come'on guys!  :)     wait....nope...im just kidding...you suck for continueing to debate this boring shit'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you've shown that a field can be a poor choice even when funded'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless you're about to rescind everything you've just stated about "the game"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and that has been my point all along. That in the past, researchers, for the most part, did research because they wanted to know, not to pay for their Kia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit, nothing's changed there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tinkerers have always tinkered, and always will'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and everyone's gotta live'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true, so where is their tinkering now?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same place it always was'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Just because *you* haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it isn't there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're in a field that actually gets funding, and you're after money, you can probably make much more in the private sector, and won't stay in research very long.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of hobbyists, plenty of uni, plenty of corporate skunkworks'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tinker where you're comfortable and where you can thrive'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I know. Two tinkerers came up with an idea in their garage and started a company, of course, they had to get investors and they did. Then when the investors started getting profits they fired the tinkerers :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet almost all products in all companies that make real money start as skunkworks. At least that's my experience.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why did they start a company?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of the do, but they get promoted to the front because the tinkerers showed that there was a profit to be made.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of stuff like RSA was essentially given out free'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this whole argument started in regards to research that couldn't show a profit at once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quantum computing won't show a profit for decades...it's still having gobs of cash thrown at it from every direction'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Anaristos, it isn't that the research that can't provide a profit isn't trashed. Its that research taht turns into profit is probably more advertised.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the point being that many breakthroughs may not be happening because of the way research goes on today. Either you can sell the outcome or you move on to something else.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if that's your goal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Or you continue tinkering til you find something.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but halting funding isn't going to make more research get done.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Research isn't development. it's up to development to make profitable products from research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But those are separate things.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But if they are determined to do it, as Anaristos was claiming how they did it back then, they will find a way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So you do 2 researches, one for the company and one for yourself... I rather be a patents clerk and researcher :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, nothing about that has changed...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being a patents clerk doesn't give you access to the lab'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just think that research done as a "hobby" has a greater chance of a better outcome. Simply because the research paths are not restricted by a fund provider.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'einstein didn't actually do anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of basic research is basically dependant on govt/university support, unfortunately... I wish they threw more money in the direction of math!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Again, Einstien did theoretics work, so he didn't need a lab or funding with which to prove anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, he just thought. That's a way to do research.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's your opinion :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler yawns.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So if I think that gravity is quantized, and do a lot of calculations to prove it, that is doing research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm surprised that governments don't draw the line of cost-cutting at whether or not the environment is being protected'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, Decimator :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'poison water = water filters = money = future problems?  maybe..'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Even though I discovered 100% nothing...that is research?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'research funded by govt/universities isn't restricted, in practical terms...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'research can also be proving what something is not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But not through theory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'You actually have to go and prove it, which requires equipment and thus money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and researchers who have millions thrown at them anyway, don't really have to care too much about what their sponsors say.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You haven't been a researcher huh, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, "rich" researchers are another breed altogether :) I wouldn't trust them to do anything to endanger the rain of money :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Only if they were in it for the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not as if you have to produce something all the time. By its nature, some projects won't turn out anything. Not like they'll have a clue what you actually did...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, sure, they are not :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so you're just against any well-funded research in general, and are just coming up with excuses to make yourself feel better about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people in cs are swimming in so much grant money it doesn't matter if they lose a million or two'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't bother letting history, truth or anything else get in your way, ust keep plowing :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'So Anaristos, how would you feel if I threw 100million dollars at a team of researchers and told them to find something new in the realm of science?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And outside the research world, there are no people that get paid without doing anything useful?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Its the funder's job to ensure that something's actually being done with the grant money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'If they think nothing useful is happening, they can cut the money, no?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, if the researcher's spending his grant money on dancing girls (and his research isn't involving dancing girls) ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do advancements in technology result in less employment options for people, and replace them with administrative positions requiring degrees in the new advancement which causes bank loans to be taken out and the banks to be bailed out of debt by the government, which provides austerity measures to pay it off?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Decimator peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all of it, but it seems that alot of things are automated and then after the automators aren't required even they have their jobs automated, like the 27,000 staff fired from yahoo and another company'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or general motors shutting down an assembly line in oshwa canada after being bailed out by the canadian tax payer to prevent job loss'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I do wonder how they react whenever one of those guys say something like "hey, I just decided to blow half a million on gpus to check something and it turns out it won't work. haha. But you can have a look at the paper."'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(says)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yeah, that would be interesting to see :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that still cost hella lot less than building a prototype to find out it won't work'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"and I flew my grad students first class to this conference and dumped them in a five star hotel for a week." Or something like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people look down on welfare bums and proudly drive gmc vehicles'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"now gimme another couple of million so I can blow it on whatever I think of next!" etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argleblargle why didn't I go into cs instead?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, to go back to the "old vs new"...tesla went through that constantly with investors :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yeah, I hate programming. That's why.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'But Tesla was just interested in creating not in earning a living. As opposed, let's say, Edison.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as did most of the [practical] tinkerers of the day'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, one's an inventor, the other's a businessman...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Edison was in it for the money, and no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, hardly'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you know the story behind the decision of going AC instead of DC?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they both were working hard to be able to commercialize'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one was just more successful at one end than the other'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, you could say that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good businessmen are great at improving existing ideas... their job isn't to actually invent anything new.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it time for a new government when they decide you can't afford to live on your land and it's better to poison it and send the product to another land?  are they the government of the poisoned land or the foreign land?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, Chemosh, they don't care if you live on the land when they decide to poison it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'europe's more sliced up and divided than american countries, south and central america are a little more divided though, i guess maybe they have a stronger sense of whether or not toxic waste is more important than serving the masters'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they might not too, puppets could be the government anywhere, providing the illusions of diversity required to supply a administrative reason for oppression'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You should take a tour of the San Fernando Valley some day :) Lot's of toxic dumps covered over and used to build condos :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I won't let my low opinion of Edison color my arguments :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if canada's government was canadian, and this land came first in it's judgement, and oil and uranium and potash destroys this land and rape farming agriculture too, clear cut logging even (does this lumber build mostly canadian homes, who mostly can't afford one?)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of this, would they be doing as they do about it, which is basically nothing, even downplaying reality sometimes?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so who are they exactly?  who do they work for?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not the canadian population and not the survival of the land itself?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even take the money from the destruction and distribute it among canadians'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who are affected by the tailings and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't take the money and clean up their messes either, it's cheaper to just pretend there never was a mess - what do they try to teach children listening to the national anthem 'true patriot love in all thy sons command' who's world leader values saving the foreign dollar over saving it's own people and land?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much patriotism in the canadian government, i think they'd be called anti semitic or something like that if they were'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i take life sort of seriously, and i see that the governments main job is taking peoples minds off of living'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or telling them how to live, and from the top that seems like a pretty offensive thing to me, otherwise i wouldn't think of them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's no big deal it's just oil exploration that will mostly not be drilled only to fuel your vehicles , not only in your own country, but globalization whoever's foreign company is sucking it out's purposes, which drained lake poigneur in eastern america'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'poked a hole in a place they didn't expect and down goes a lake'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, that shouldn't stop the progress of globalization though, we must keep on going, how much of that destruction is used by your consumer needs at home?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had electric car's in the 1950's doing 50 miles per hour, invented in 1885 already, don't bother forcing them to choose something else to keep their machinized world running where your land is destroyed to provide it's guts to, just keep the foreigners happy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( Speaking as a foreigner, I want to be happy :) )
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some people are into vampirism, other's not so much'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't enjoy products provided from slave labour or other questionable sources'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that sucks'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i find the evil far too malignantly offensive to be happy in, and i know nothing i can gain is free from the world's corruption, so i don't see no point in gaining anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government level's where problems like that are dealt with'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?  poison rivers, eroded soil turned into deserts, chemical agriculture, foreign buyers buying out canadian's, work outsourced, cost of living too expensive'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's what being a member of the united nations requires then i think it's best to be a nation of your own'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canadians pay more than Americans for Canadian-made vehicles http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/06/12/ottawa-car-price-disparity-border-shopping.html  coincidentally they also pay more for beef, cereal (grain products) and fuel'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting trends isn't it?  talk about sovereignty, the patriot government sees no flag'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more concerned over the middle east than things that matter to this land'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canadians consume (an estimated) 13% of the fuel that's produced here in a year'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the number could be alot lower than that though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pure slavery'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the real enemy is just south of the border'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, north of the boder live the blood brothers, but south, got to get rid of those foreigners!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just pointing out that the government is a crooked piece of shit that only does non-rotten things when it wants to fuck somebody else with the illusion of trust, and only allows non-rotten things to happen when they don't impede it's goal of doing that, which makes it a fake bastard government of a evil foreign nation'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they don't care about this land or this people, but the foreign dollar and the various problems foreigners invent for them to preach to their slaves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'name one good thing that the government ever did that didn't turn into a monopoly, or that one of it's citizens invented that the government didn't turn into it's profitable monopoly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like those business people in new york city who refused to pay their second taxes, they just were removed from the industry and replaced with a coward'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'democratic nations don't exist and sovereignty is a lie, if this world's not ruled by satan it's ruled by his human ideological equivalent'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you think of god as satan and vice versa, most think the creator concept is a good thing if they're theists though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always come to the same conclusions like that, because of things like that difference in price between where it's produced and the land is murderfucked and where it's sent and sold for cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's all kinds of examples though, there's books upon books written on their corruption though, i don't need to quote it all'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and saying how unprofessional places like south africa has no infrastructure are and requires foreign assistance doesn't seem to take into account their claim on wikipedia that one of mozambique's main industry's is in chemical production, and the kind of minds required to produce chemicals aren't usually very unable to develop infrastructures, so what good does sending them various billions of money to purchase an infrastructure do if they already have everything they'll buy with it there?  using african poverty as a contrast to american corruption and downplaying it with it is like using the end result to justify the means in getting there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america is corrupt but that's ok because people are starving in mozambique where prominent chemists develop the next generation of chemicals you'll be using'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fuck kind of sense does that make?  lets send them a charitable donation with our tax money'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'our tax money IS a charitable donation :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taken by force lest the sheriff comes and shuts down your taxfree store, or takes your property away'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like health care and upkeeping things are ok uses of tax-money, i got no problem with that, as long as the doctors aren't a monopoly scam'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and actually do their job and money goes where it's supposed to, there seems to be countless hundreds and thousands of cases where that's not the case though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not scamming the tax payer of 10 or 20 dollars, or 1 cent out of every bank account either, but sometimes into the hundreds of millions and even billions'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could see how private enterprise probably sponsored by foreign nation's would want to corrupt those government uses of tax money by installing their own people to corrupt it in the tax payers face, and then cause them to look towards serving their enemy directly (being served by)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to do that in business alot, smearing one anothers image to gain the upper hand'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government seems to have stopped smearing the private sector though, even installing ADT security systems in its offices and stuff, as it couldn't find the personelle and expertise to secure their own premises'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a funny example of that is chinese gynaecologists, come to work in canadian offices and molesting females'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'best to choose private health care i guess, unless they were already private, there was more than 1 case of this in canada with a population of 32 million'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no big deal for china or some lobbiest to weasel in their molestor foreign doctors to work on the intimate details of sexuality with them is it?   what a purpose they serve in the government, immigration works for the foreign government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's about time canadians had a non-confidence vote on the entire government and built it from scratch with actual human beings after securing the premises from the killers who installed the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they should probably do that everywhere or have a world war 3 instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nuclear warheads only have a killing range of about 30 miles, there's alot of 30 miles in the world and only so many places where they're stored, chances are after a couple 30 miles are destroyed then their storehouses will be located and disabled with another 30 or more miles, it's not the end of the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the fall out goes on the wind a little bit, but so does mining uranium'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pesticides and herbicides mutate people more than radiation these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't think nuclear war's the end of the world, just getting over with the inevitable, and the sooner the better , more of the world can be preserved without the assholes with the bombs around'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radon causes cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and every rock crushed to get the uranium ore out of it releases that into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they raised the acceptable level of radioactivity in water by more than double in 1982'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radon has a low decay time, there is very little radon gas in the atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1500 years is the decay time of one of the ones that travels'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is when the gas decays in your house that it becomes a problem....the decayed particles hurt you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they don't clean up the tailings'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't even know how to dispose of the stuff they have now, they bury it in lead vaults under mountains pending .. a solution'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or at the bottom of the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't stop being volatile though, it was least volatile before they mined it in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after they mien it then they have no solution to how to deal with the leftovers'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the final solution, no doubt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the darwinists never wonder how a rock that changes it's surroundings could have impacted evolution on the planet, and whether or not it was best left where it naturally was'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war has no room for evolution theory though, i guess they're always at war trying to make the entire world into a aresenal until they're dead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, war is the key to evolution :) Survival of the fittest.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's nothing fittest about who was born with a button to push and who wasn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, evolution is agnostic, it doesn't care how the organism evolves as long as it does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's faith, and maybe evolution's a clown who's going to make the victor his joke'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the basic reason is because of epic areas. You could almost say that clan areas are epic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but raiders have to be SH, it's the only way the can survive the maze mobs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has military bases in 63 countries now, and personnel in 156 countries.......if we wanted to cut the military budget that is where you freaking do it.....reduce the over seas personnel from 256,000 to half that, and close at least 50% of the overseas bases.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Since 2000, non war related defense spending in the US has increased from $400 billion to $650 billion this year.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wars added $75 to $125 billion each year on top of that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Hungary has a new hero. Towns and villages are putting up statues and naming streets after Miklos Horthy, a former head of state who led the country into World War II on Adolf Hitlers side. " -Bloomberg'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ORZ'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not Superman ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or Rocky ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How depressing, Venezuela just passed saudi arabia as the country with the most recoverable oil reserves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose with such a severe crisis in europe, stuff like this isn't unexpected.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the chinese own the USA... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was the black plague genetically engineered?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they talk about turning the king of babylon into a herd of bovine in the old testament for '1000 years' and they worship bovines in india'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '100*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the USA owns lots of other small countries'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: '"give us what ever we want in your world.. Or we will burn your cities down" -Corey Taylor'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also it's national symbol is a dragon and the 'king of the sons of pride' is leviathan which is levi at han, a priesthood of the jews at the han dynasty'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'lord of the flies...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i consider crazy things like that for the hell of it, mostly cause i see rulers mocking peoples intelligence all the time'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and knowledge is power like they say, the roman empire was once ruled from england after it was conquered'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'if you havent notice rulers are total idiots! Its like living in a box with rats and you're the cheese'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think donating money to africa and preferring their people over american people is going to boost national security at all, especially since petro china is the main oil industry in post-war afghanistan and various things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're using chinese economy in africa in their bbc article as a reason to prefer africa and give them money at the expense of the western nationals'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if africa's so incapable of developing itself and isn't willfully starving its people to death, then how come they have the brains to develop chemicals in mozambique?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also producing doctors and all kinds of other people who don't seem to be used to develop their infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'aye! Thats why theres another "invasion" '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'most african leaders live in the past and well dont quite have the skills to govern a country... Its all about throwing a 'pity party' everyone of them wants to be a dictator... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's faith in human ignorance and sort of racism since you think them incapable of seeing common sense'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're so dumb then how come they fly around in private golden 747's and live in large mansions?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably are dictators though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'then again that 'pity party' gains massive loads of funding... Funding for tenders that provide services that never happen.. Well in every country.. Its a way to up tax... More tax.. More debt.. With more debt theres creation of more money.. More money.. More tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i imagine most charitable funding to africa is used for purchasing weapons from russia and various other things like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i am a pessimist though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe making two enemies stronger at the same time by donating money to them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to indicate on bbc news that closing down charities to somalia is in the worst interest of national security, even though they confirm that it funds their bakku haram or whatever the terrorist there is'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'governments arent run by just one person... Its more like a CC than anything else... Weapons hmm... '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'relations with other countries are built by how many guns you have... But its really about those big uranium bullets with those plutonic triggers'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, some things are worse than death though, like the eternal future on earth in ever degrading morality and purposeful existance because of fear of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why they lock people up for 10 - 20 years before finally administering the death sentence in prisons'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the anticipation of the fear of death is much sweeter form of punishment than the end itself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'they consider it to be more humane? I was going to use the sectarian approach but i thought id use the 'mental boundry' thing instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the slight increaese in radioactive poisioning and bad mutations from use of depleted uranium in munition shells is far more damaging to the environment (than hurt emotions by fearful crybabies bemoaning degraded morality)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its like watching water boil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the end of the environment on earth is dead anyways, slow death versus attempted removal of it's cause'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humans have no use for the environment, they rather drill oil from under the arctic and the sheets of ice with no monitoring and sink various land masses than use non-destructive technological advancements'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the half-life of uranium is in millions to billions of years, radioactive poisoning on the ecology is "forever" from the perspective of short-lived humans'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and money's a good excuse, it's cheaper they say to kill the world than it is to not kill it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'pure, free the gifts of grace.. And slaughter the entire human race'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'everyone needs something to trade...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when depleted uranium munitions explode, the depleted uranium is dispersed as a powder into the local environment -- the USA and Britain and other using depleted uranium munitions are guilty of crimes far worse than "crimes against humanity"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nothing is free... And you must pay or be hammered with a uranium bullet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'uranium was fine where it was, the eventuality of nuclear war is there anyways, unless one relinquishes its arsenal to another, and they wouldn't do that without using some of their arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why not get it over with now instead of waiting until the entire world is conquered by the enemy and his progenic dictatorship'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nukes could be made without uranium though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, Grimmjo, your goading suggestions may be seen by some as reckless warmongering'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how is it warmongering?  testing the paranoia fear that russia and allied america used in the cold war to population control the future?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, they write music songs about it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'mustard gas!'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's war mongering about the tv shows on television or your religion?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like it's just opinionated discussion to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'emphasis on "reckless"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're in control of a nuclear arsenal and aren't a big bad wolf huffing and puffing ready to use your stash if anybody deviates then you know better and could just claim that nuclear war will never happen and there's no point in getting it over with now, better to just slow rot with the what if it does happen fear justifying various inhumanities'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wise warmongering is different'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'religious beliefs are the cause of most wars... Fueled by greed and fear.,'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wise warmongers have the same thoughts in mind except they actually expect to be heard or gather a following'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't expect to be taken seriously or repeat what's already been repeated millions of times over, trying to discuss why things are different than those negative pessimisms indicate'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet to strike wildly with fist, you attempt to strike wickedly with fist'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'everyone who follows a certain religion wants to be 'ONE' they exploit this 'ONE' and name it 'GOD''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the aardwolf debate audience is minimal, so the attempted damage is minimal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Zade thats like saying 'if you are free of sin cast the first stone' why not keep your nuke and ill keep my nuke and we'll see who breaks first...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'its only damaging if you let it damage you... You are striking fist with fist..'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i am striking fist with fist... Should we chop off our hands? Or keep our hands and hold our fists and see who breaks first?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte. And when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves" [DRC]'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Ecclesiastes 4:3 "Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun."'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(fractured) Matthew 18:6 "But he that shall scandalize the yet innocent impressionables seeking truth into children of hell, may be better were a millstone hanged about his neck and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea (preferably before the scandalisation)." <-- somewhat extreme - perhaps rehabilitation is possible - but the gist of intent is there'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'harms one of these little ones was the verse, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's scandalizing who?  'but when you pray, pray in your closet (in private)''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so... that's the one that says we should tie a big rock around priests molesting innocent children, and drown them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'discussing the bible and pointing out a verse that can sum up a situation isn't any kind of scandal'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when you offer one up yourself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the bible, religion should be a private thing, discussing the bible's not religion is it?  'search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''wisdom is known by her children', 'rachel wept for her children, for they were not', 'better is he 'than both' the living and the dead, who never has seen the evil that is done under the sun (son?) (never existed)''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's relevant in the context of cold war standoffs justifying demoralization of everything about being alive that mattered to people'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i prefer warm wars to cold ones'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, a long path of study may be required before you are able to debate the Bible accurately and academically (without obvious errors)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the scholars of the bible who i listen to never went to university or church to learn about it, they taught themselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'Zade you judge? Yet you use extracts of religion to prove points of what? Seems like the lines of sectarianismistim worked...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some of those self-professed "self-taught scholars" are verbally torn to shreds when they speak on irc'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this all sounds pretty close to bollocks, care to share?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"nevermind the bollocks, here come the sex-pistols"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the ones i listen to don't shake at the ignorance that the ones taught by university and (some) churches do, they're not adhered to their interpretations without consideration that they seek to verify or correct'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so what you are saying Zade is that religious studies are not worth the time?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give any religious dude a copy of "Romans XIIIL THe True Meaning of Submission" by Chucka nd Timothy Baldwin'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'how is something correct if its a case of 'broken telephone'?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody wants to debate bible-nutters (to deprogram them), mayhaps a lot of education is required'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do bible nutters need deprogramming?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'cause they have blueballs'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no more nutters in religion than in the wider atheist community'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, did you see what the republicans put up as candidates -- some of those republican presidential candidates were biblically-retarded'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, but the problem is the system, not the religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'and atheists are not people either? I think their minds are more open than the nutters'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the Pauls have been co-opted by the system, your best bet is to vote for that Gary Johnson bloke'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'incorrect the problem is will... The will to do what you want to do... Freedom is the key'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be surprised, grimmjo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'oh how so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion isn't the enemy, globalists are'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that from paraphrased  "Aleister Crowley" or "Neitsche" '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"St Thelma's Law" , "Will to Power"'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'globalists hmm... Where do they get their bases?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america is about to invade syria'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after having supplied weapons and mercenaries to the opposition for the last year'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'do you know why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a number of reasons why'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The USA is going to invade Syria ?, with the Russsians looking on ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA, with the 'backing' of the UN'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'nope the main reason... What do they have that USA needs?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing they need, but they want the region destabilised because it's good for business, it rids Iran of an ally, and provides a handy air corridor for Israel to get to Iran'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack invades, and how does that not lose the election'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'seriously? did the UN manage to agree about something?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet they haven't, but that won't necessarily stop them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't stop them in libya or iraw'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iraq*'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was oli in Libya '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libya wasn't really about the oil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not about the supply of oil'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want the oil supply disrupted, it's good for profitws'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was petty payback against that annoying dictator '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'what do the chinese smoke?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why do you suggest it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'do you know what opium is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'where is the largest amount of opium in the world'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'producer? afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British used force to sell opium to China'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'should i say untouched opium in the world...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look on youtube, you might be able to find a documentary on cannabis production in afghanistan, which follows around ( a film crew ) a grower, and provides his explaination as to why he chose to grow it, i found it interesting if it's how it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's land-lords, and the lower price of cotton he says can't pay both the land lords and for food for his family'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cannabis?  Or did you mean heroin?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american troops protect the opium fields in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's either cannabis or opium he claimed'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he chose the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they ship it back to america to sell'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know why they make the price of cotton so low, they advertise making cotton out of cow milk instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so was it... About the oil... Or was it about the opium... Well in all this excitement of invasion i lost track myself'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghanistan was opium, libya was destabilising the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they really do make fabric out of milk, now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the store's not much clothing made with pure cotton, i imagine some of the drug violence could be defeated by paying them a fair amount for what they can legally provide'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mischa Barton and some other famous hottie wear the milk-clothes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cotton is far far cheaper than opium'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'imagine going up against Bruce Lee... And you owe him 10bucks... So think of china... How much does america owe them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'enough to make China grow concerned about holding our debt. :D'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a look at the logistical tonnage involved indicates that other "cash" crops are more profitable than cotton production'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cotton also requires lots of water'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so was it the oil... Or was it the opium?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard some crap coming from agenda21 on the radio bout people needing to pay for water'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was what oil or opium, grimmjo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the question is... Would you go one on one with Bruce Lee or would you make him happy with cake?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'one on one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'no tn is a master baker'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis true, i bake'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think world deabt-holders are blind to stupidity and consumerism, if america would have produced what it could produce to consume and then traded in what they couldn't produce themselves, then the debt holders would be more justified, wouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depends how many individuals who can't choose where they're born had a hand in short-changing the rest of the world with their willful understanding or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should the rest of them have to pay the debt of the sloppy ones who led them to it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of everywhere like that, i don't see the government as the people ruled by it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debts are a mechanism by which global banks can centralise control and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in most cases, they aren't even real debts'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already pay for water.  Most of us, I believe, pay as we use it but some places pay on a schedule and can use as much as they wish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i thought so... Even Chuck Noris got his ass kicked by Bruce Lee... No one touches Chuck! And he didnt owe Bruce nun'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then there are the bottled-water people, who either can't drink/use tap water (bad well water) or have willfully decided not to (anti-flouride nuts).'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the church eats tenders! Tenders are tender'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can filter well water and filter fluoride-related contaminants'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sodium fluoride isn't terribly good for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were considering putting statins int he water here, too, which is worse'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'whos going to provide filters when theres so much money to be made from water in a bottle'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Brita and ZeroWater (or whatever that new brand is)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking they'll provide filters at all while they're discussing world population (over) and resource management (consumption ignorant) while people let their lakes, water tables and rivers be poisoned by big industry doesn't seem very wise to me'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was procter and gamble who did a charitable funding of developing a chemical compound which could purify a gallon of toxic water for .10 cents'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's a big problem, there is all sorts of contaminant in the water table nwo'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they claim on science daily to have had the intention that the government might fund or introduce it to the people who distribute aid to africans and people in poor nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but of course it wasn't used'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'they made a tea bag that does that where i studied for a few months that bag is brilliant'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'imagine seeing a guy drinking toxic water from a cup with a teabag thats been in there for like two minutes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he had a choice he probably wouldn't, unless he knows it works (was the developer) and wanted to prove it with his own faith'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'gots to give it up to fynbos'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like if people had a choice between buying processed bottled water and 'fresh glacial' bottled water they'd choose the glacial'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Parks Canada staff banned from criticizing Feds Workers told they have 'duty' to support Harper government http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/06/14/ns-parks-canada-letter-warning.html see the communist stalinist bastard government of canada'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'zog whatever people think it is, <insert conspiracy theory here>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like i said 2 years ago, harper will be the last government canada ever has'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it ever was independent, he'll betray it until it's a 3rd world nation feeding stalin it's soul on a plate'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would be antisemitic to do otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Stalin doesn't eat souls, he eats people.  It's why he used the Gulag so much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was adolf hitler the last stand for mankind?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems with trash like this allied harper that might be the case for demoracy'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hungarian goolag? Yum :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought Stalin was dead, must have been imagining things...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether he is or not he knows he's a piece of trash if what's writtena bout him in history is true'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should people keep it secret and pretend that a piece of revolting cancerous shit doesn't stink?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if anyone thinks Stalin was a good person, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, personally, I can't testify about him one way or another.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then why did they support him so much in russia and continue his legacy in the cold war ritual, after the allies saved it from germany?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still have portraits of him in north korea museum's'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to tours of north korea art university on documentaries on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, Russia saved itself from Germany. 2000000 Russians paid the price.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the allies were just there to do nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, they helped, but the brunt of repealing the attackers fell on the Russians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they heroically portray in 'enemy at the gates''
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Napoleon had the same experience as the Germans did. Which begs the question, why did Germany attack in the winter?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if germany had won world war 2, would there have been a cold war afterwards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if canada wasn't a british territory he wouldn't see any problem with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, my take is that had Germany won the war, the US would have kept a "hot" war going, one way or another. Germany was not big enough to control such a large country as the US, from Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the technology to do so was not available then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sadly, if Germany won the war, we'd live in a much crueler world, but we'd probably also be settling Mars by now'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about crueler... just more obviously cruel :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just pisses me off when pricks that live on national welfare cheques and slander the soil that the national anthem declares 'true patriot love' to be a contributing member of spitting on the thoughts of it's citizens and serving nothing to do with canada get away with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't want to pay for harper's next yankees baseball game meeting with the new york mafia and their desert-dwelling associates'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with my purchase of a bottle of water or some other tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, disagreement with the government does not imply on is a traitor, per se.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to harper it does'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he's wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Workers told they have 'duty' to support Harper government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/06/14/ns-parks-canada-letter-warning.html'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know the russians were forced to go to war by stalin too, and they probably did pay big toll in defending his castle'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like canada paid for defending the queens'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The premise that disagreement = sedition is a tenet of totalitarianism. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, most governments, even the "liberal" ones, do implement the tenet partially :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you will recall the attitude of the US government toward the Viet Nam war protestors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/04/26/alleged-war-criminal-que-beekeeper.html here the jewish B'nai B'rith group quotes KGB supplied evidence against a quebec beekeeper accused of being a nazi war criminal, also mentioning the group's private meetings wiht Stephen Harper, the leaders of the NDP and Liberal parties, which covers all canadian politics'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/26/holocaust-fund-fraud-canadian.html here several people in new york city and toronto and other places across the world are found out to be receiving holocaust survivor funding fraudulently, being russian immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I can accept that. But what's the big deal? Fraud is commonplace everywhere :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'including the office of the person who handles their management if my memory of the news story is correct (but that's to verified urself if you want)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Dan Shapiro said the US hoped diplomacy and sanctions would persuade Iran to alter its nuclear programme, but a military option was "ready". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18110191 here's a jewish lobbiest from washington d.c is the foreign embassy to israel, and is advising america on who to go to war with next'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where ever there is a system to dispense any type of goods, there will be fraud by either the dispensers or the receivers, or both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just saying, it looks to me like alot of the people calling themselves jews and victims and screaming anti-semitism might be KGB agents and their operatives'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'How about Deadlights?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if so, they seem to have infiltrated both the US and canadian governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and so harper's stalinist attitude has some explaination'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but also, voting means nothing :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmons_%26_Company , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27nai_B%27rith'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't explain what they're about to people, if people ask they're called nazi's instead, much simpler, or to take their medications'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about problems in some south american nations provided by jewish security companies too'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news in the last 6 months or so'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's possibly good that they find corruption in their own groups though, hopefully that's as deep as it goes'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a sucker born every minute and also a scam artist :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sacrificing the fattened calf was a pretty old bible practice though, taking one for the team kind of thing, austerity measures no dirt here'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'monsanto's corporate lawyeris called robert shapiro if i recall correctly, so possibly another jew person, agent orange etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then the 59th or so most powerful woman in the world is also surnamed shapiro, a financial advisor fo the us government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there is a shiny example of a scam at work :) Isaac getting scammed by Rebekah :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, what do you think should be an appropriate surname for a female advisor (since you object to Shapiro)?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it as odd that two bush's become president of the USA in 20 years and 2 clintons control significant aspects of the government in the same time frame?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a couple other families too though'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how odd is it that they head multitrillion dollar international corporations, world banks and lobby the government and advise on wars in the middle east too?'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they just coincidentally share that surname, but the others didn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not all players in the NFL with surname "Hill" are related :) I bet it is probably also the case in government...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah like you said about more obvious corruption, i think the world would be more sane if not more fair if they didn't have to believe otherwise or risk being antisemitic'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'father son, nephew uncle, husband wife, .. '
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I think that Semitic phobia is a bit out of hand :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they use it whenever it disagrees with them'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like harper and his obligation to support his government by being an employee of the government'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's democratic stuff there, i don't know if it's more nazi or marxist leninist'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism doesn't sound like a word taht implies anti-social behaviour though, which the government displays'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, marxism-leninism is a myth. Lenin twisted the sayings of Marx to suit his cause...'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i remember the only political enemies the nazi's looked for were russian spies'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the russians?  if you ate your own bread then you were a enemy of the pig'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fraud should never be tolerated the government, i don't think atilla the hun would have any of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wouldn't have been fatally poisoned if he didn't embrace a culture of fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had to look for a traitor in his ranks like the retard in the movie 300 to administer the poison instead of killing him openly, possibly offered a typical roman luxury for their services, which all the rulers of the world roll in like pigs today'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of traitors to humanity'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's if history is correct, and history is written by the victors, who always make themselves look like the great savrious from the conquereds former savagery'
T3/r7/2012-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perverting their actual history so that if dissent is desired they will identify with the false past they were taught'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should 16yr old chicks be legal to screw?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they are in many places.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'if they keep wearing slut clothes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'about 1000 years ago, at 16, a woman would be married with children.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'make that 100 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'heck yea!   lets impregnate them all :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler puts his finger in his mouth and says, "Oopsie! Did I do that?"
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you can tell i have no daugter lol'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'young marriages ages coincide with slave whipper practices handed down to communities of non-pedophiles'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not natural to be getting together too young, society makes that happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'nah, i think its pretty natural for 16yr olds to be young dumb full of cum horny'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe in eternal corruption of human cultures'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually, the median age at first marriage for ladies in 1890 was 22.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was lowest in 1950 but still wasn't under 20.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, 1950 and 1960 are tied, at 20.3'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that part might be natural, but probably not once they grow up and then raise their own kids properly, which happened in cultures before taxes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i did preg test on a 12yr old mexican that came out positive....no wonder we got so many mexicans here in the us...they breed at age 12? wtf'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think that's correct, Chemosh. Human sexuality (for the purpose of procreation) performs optimally during the teenage years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I work in a hostpial lab btw'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'older white european cultures were corrupted by the romans, before that they had soem morals'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, non-mexican kids have gotten pregnant at 12 too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just so we are clearn i dont go around giving 12yr olds preg tests lol unless im gettin paid'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some cultures figured there was more to life than biological efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'humanity was alwasy rotten as long as we've been here'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'like smoking tons of pot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess the whole past might just be a lie, it's like a reverse religion to believe otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what do you mean "we", white man?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, people, it seems there's the same corruption everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uh oh, Tonto, it looks like we're in trouble!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'satan looks real when you consider just how rotten people are'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hey if the jihad ppl get 72 virgin (virgin boys most likely) , what are the women supposed to get?   They finally get the take that head wrap off and show the world their faces?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just wondering why so many of the muslim women havent protested their own religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and i seriously wanna know what they have to look forward to in afterlife?  watching their husband bang 72 virgins?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'weeeeeee'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe they become the virgins? (Can you spell R-E-T-R-E-A-D?)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'you just spelled it for me...i dont get it'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'dammit somebody's gotta know'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'or else ima have to declare jihad'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it said on the news what happens to women in egypt when they protest sexual harrassment, they get raped by groups of holy warriors protesting the protest with immunity to the law'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hmm....what a wonderful religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and now it says on the news that the muslim brotherhood will slave whip some sense into the supreme court for their transgressions of dissolving parliament of islamists'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i just wanna know wtf they get promised in the afterlife besides getting to watch their husbands bang away 72 virgins'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'cute religion....all religions are but i mean come on....'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are promised that they will become men :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hahahahah'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'does that mean the people going to hell become one of the 72 virgins getting raped by Saddam as we speak?  amazing'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if that is what he's doing, then he certainly is not in hell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'man i thought you guys knew all the great debatable answers...you mean ima have to look this up on google?  geez'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't read that type of fiction much...'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hhaha....well i just tried to look it up but all the references were pretty dodgy on the subject of what the women get'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow....what a shitty religion...sorry i know my christian faith has its issues but geeeeez'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'on that note....JIHAD ON YOU!  I RAPE YOUR WIFE AND AWAIT MY 72 VIRGINS TO RAPE IN HEAVEN!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: '...i should be able to go through 72 pretty quick....then what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'once you bang all 72 you complete the game! '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'and then you tier?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'guess we dont have any muslims playing this game..'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i thought it was a big religion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've also learned black ppl dont usually play mud either...not being a racist i promise...just facts'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'REAL girls too for that matter'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not you fake lezzy dorky chicks *wink'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'jk girls'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'lol i've still be searching forums for what Muslim women get in heaven....sound like the religion likes to avoid that question....kinda like "shut up woman, the men are trying to finishing writing this quaran!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh and promise them 72 virgins and alot of liquor!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'signed....Muhmamad'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but to say such things is to contradict the nature of deity in alot of these enforcers of their religion people commonly find detestable, that doesn't mean all of them are of that kind of mindset though'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think god's much of a skin puppet hedonist rotball preserver of injustice myself'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but people don't seem to think or else don't have to cause somebody else does that for them, and they're taught to serve'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you live in a land with no freedom of thought, absolute mind control cult of personality and extreme public examples made for any form of deviance to the will of lord then you might not have much of a thought about what the nature of god is yourself, at least not to criticize in public'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably everything about 'lord' and various special dictator people on earth and special interest groups of vehement racist killers said on the internet is stored in a file somewhere for later line up and shoot death ritual holocausts, but that might just be a paranoia instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read they had it out for a guy who wrote a story called 'the satanic verses''
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'whos THEY?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'was this a story about satanic worship or something'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses they mentioned it on bbc awhile ago though, either him or a cartoonist on CNN news (maybe two separate events), receiving death-threats for attending a seminar in india or somewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the story of Bel and the Dragon should be taught in every church, teach them about scrutinizing their priests and educate them in the subtle arts of mind control and engineering of consent'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fear and persuasion etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'difference between a firm concept of god belief and a exploitation of peoples thoughts of forever'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow...ima have to get high now....brain melt'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe what is the more perfect judgement in various situations, god being a creator of all creatures that aren't created by man'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't you think it's funny that the honest and true government of national security doesn't demand it's citizens be educated in the methods of the deceiver?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if it can really be laughed at ore not more than a picture of the husk left behind after world war 1 on their wikipedia page, looking like a kid having a temper tantrum, but then realize the dead about it it doesn't look as funny, same class of humour anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah the US air force mothballs the F-117 nighthawk which cost $111 million to build, to build a new jet that does the same thing but costs $160 million each.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the F-35 was originally supposed to cost about $60 million to build, but because of funding cuts, the price has ballooned to a $237 million per aircraft cost.  WTG congress!'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how much tylenol does it take to kill your kidney?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'trying for the darwin awards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no... but sometimes i wonder if my doctor doesnt like me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all drugs have risks'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even coffee?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is for a surveillance state'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He just thinks drones are magic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A British Columbia Supreme Court judge has declared Canada's laws against physician-assisted suicide unconstitutional because they discriminate against the physically disabled. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/06/15/bc-assisted-suicide-ruling.html  At the 1941 annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association, he called for the extermination of incurably severely retarded children over the age of five. His goal was to relieve "the utterly unfit" and "nature's mistakes" of the "agony of living" and to save their parents and the state the cost of caring for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Foster_Kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if they can't move and stuff like that guy in metallica's one video, but how can they be sure he don't want to live if they can't hear his morse code on whether or not that's the case?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and how easy will it be to abuse in a nation of unprofessional non-psychological professionals judging people insane among a group of people fearing to appear insane less they face the judgement?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they can move though, they can kill themselves if they want, can't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'legalize illegal immigrants and weed out the replaced'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i just hear you advocate murdering disabled people and replacing them with immigrants?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it helps that most psychiatrists are mid-eastern and asian doctors'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know what's best for ahkbar and his immigrators'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, no that's just a conspiracy theory i seen from the news, obama legalizing illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? well he did pardon a load'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps him to have immigrant labour pushing down wage costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he legislated for the arrest and execution without trial of US citizens'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you couldn't put anything past him'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you find find some books written about survivors of america's psychological holocaust who were made to cut childrens brains into strips for petri dish examination by the doctor's, themselves sentenced to life in a asylum falsely'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they did that to alot of people, power tripping like adolf hitler and stalin did'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't surprise me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i found on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it had sources listed that were listed on amazon and other places, some university's'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope y'all vote Gary Johnson for president'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'previously, "In Canada, it has been illegal to counsel, aid or abet a person to commit suicide, and the offence carries a maximum punishment of 14 years in prison." '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that all seems to have changed with the dropped charges on the minnesota man who asked a ottawa university student to film her suicide on camera after convincing her it was the right way to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and british house of lordlinesses will'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Justice Lynn Smith also stipulates that her ruling only apply to "competent, fully informed, non-ambivalent adult persons who personally (not through a substituted decision-maker) request physician-assisted death, are free from coercion and undue influence and are not clinically depressed."'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they have to explain to the court why they are scared to kill themselvs and would rather have 'thou shalt not kill' a person get away with murdering them instead?  like the guy in the one video?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a similar case in ottawa recently, a guy in a coma who the doctors want to pull the plug on, but who communicates through squeezing peoples hands and other gestures to let them know he's still existing'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''if you don't want to die, give me a thumbs up', vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course there's the usual clique of tax-nazi's screaming about wasting public money on keeping vegetables alive, but ignoring multibillion dollar harper fraud'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, a prior post at [15 Jun 18:09:11] was erronous in that (by english gammar defaults) you inferred the genderless BC judge was the male 1941 judge --> extremely sloppy posting'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade disbelieves anything Chemosh posts until verified independently
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was separated by a link and succeeded by a second link'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're related'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause and effect and repetition of history'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some nazi's believe 1941-1947 will bring a resurgence of world war 2 for instance'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world war 1 started 1914'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe 2014 has something like it happening'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(new-age cult kind of people i mean) i read about it on some of their song lyrics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet sloppy bad grammar nonethre less'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nonetheless'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depends whether you're trying to impress people with your linguistic skills or relay subject matter for consideration, i never am very impressed with people's grammar and actually find it impeding in good novels'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the hardest part of teaching yourself C programming from K&R will be coming to terms with the meaning of the words that are seen almost nowhere else'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the illiterate post seemed to infer that the 1941 Judge was yet alive and currently sitting on the BC supreme court'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his ideology just might be'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never know what british billionairres posing for photoshoots on arabian maps of the worlds on man-made islands with naked teenagers clinging to his 60 year old back on water ski's sexually belittling the premier of british colombia might have on their minds'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem too arrogant to have any respect for the non lordliness forms of life that he feasts on, and is immune to the laws of earth'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't put none of that beyond them'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and in Canada, where extremely controversial topics are concerned, be careful, or some "politically-correct" groups may use you as a target to be charged with some "hate" crime, while they clamour for tougher laws against (abominations)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canada (alberta) have embarked on a series of land-grabs under the pretense of climate change legistlation'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really care what they charge me with, i'll get them to explain the media that brainwashed me into a hateful person in my criminal trial'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some smallholders and farmers have had their land confiscated with either inadequate, or no-whatsoever compensation'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has been happening on a smaller scale in the USA too'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i should charge the jews of hate-crimes against non-german non-nazi's for accusing them of being nazi's in the 1950's'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're who you refer to'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortunately, the Aardwolf debate channel is somewhat private, so what you say here is less likely to be used against you in the court of public opinion'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'public opinion's pretty retarded, none of them can justify what they repeat'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't see what kind of hate crimes against any group i did here'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'name one'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'show me the superior perceptions'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'careers are ruined by what some post on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have a career, that doesn't threaten me'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and some continue despite'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(the truth)'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you're blackmailing people to keep their mouths shut or they'll lose their jobs because a racist group of hate crime allegators is going to make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using the high priest of the jews exploits in the crucifixion of jesus paying people to rile up the crowd to free the killer'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism is mostly a myth'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'just saying that bad grammar and misdirection is annoying in extremely sensitive topics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mercy killing is a sensitive topic when you provide the material you consider and your opinion in freedom of speech land'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one thing leads to another doesn't it, how come people who want to die don't have to explain why they want to die but don't want to kill themselvse to a judge?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a subject i could form an opinion on'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want to die so much why should they legalize somebody killing them which is a crime against the bible according to the bible's list of crimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a 'christian nation''
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bible isn't the source of law'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bible is fiction '
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'life is not fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, watch the music video 'one' and that's the difference between somebody's inability to kill themselves but desire to die (conveyed through morse code) and a scrupulous judgement by a evil dictator (as happened in the past) on who's the retard, like your hate-crime allegators and false-nazi whislters'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your life is a fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are a legal fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then a person who is capable of doing it themselves but doesn't want to for whatever coward reason, thinking that having somebody else end their lives is better'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have a good reason shouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 10 years ago or 15 china was going door to door and shooting people en masse for being enemy's of the politics'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or various other flaws, like you can't get a job in korea if you're too short'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death-vans etc, russia china ally, buying up canada and parks canada employees can't criticize the harper government'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these things all lead in a very obvious direction until proven otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at one point Canada looked to have a competant government - what happened?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back to hate crime allegators and media explaination brainwash, how come there's hollywood action movies with chris rock (possibly lethal weapon 4) where he claims the white actor is a nazi, and that programs into the white american media mind, as the white american subplot becomes proving to the black man that he is not a nazi'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shouldn't they have to go to court to explain this subplot?'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they were security guard in that movie, i think that's the one'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then once enough proofs are provided by the servile protagonist the audience rejoices with the revelation that white people aren't always the nazi's that black people thought they were'
T3/r7/2012-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can watch the movie maybe unless you seen it, it's an example of the media i'd question in my trial though, what is the purpose of this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if spent nuclear fuel rods were dumped into the deepest part of the ocean in the pacific ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would poison it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'say oh, 56,000 tons of them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'seawater dissipates radiation easily remember'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We'd have to go get them when we need them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would happen if the pallisades nuclear plant had a coolant bed leak and released iodine into the nearby air and soil?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't dissipate radiation in water'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you need to 'get' spent nuclear fuel rods ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because they aren't spent. They have plenty of power left in them, if we just made a modern set of nuclear reactors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it seems to me that the ocean already has dissolved uranium and other heavy metals in it.....a few tons of spent radioactive fuel rods 6 miles down wouldnt do much.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would add the bonus that the left-overs after that would only last a couple of decades or centuries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sounds like a good idea: the ocean is polluted, let's pollute it some more'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they only have power left in them if you recycle them, and recycling costs more than it does to make new ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why not just lease some nuclear waste storage space from the friendly government of iraq?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just not true, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need, they hide it in your back yard'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont have a yard :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why not send it into the sun? Sun's got plenty'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am all for recycling the fuel rods though, mainly because the cost of the fuel itself is a minor part of the cost of nuclear power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'incidentally, i wonder how much depleted uranium costs an ounce'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do tehy use that for anything else besides bullets?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ie, non-destrutive'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'artwork/coloring'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would be a waste to send it into the sun, for the same reason it would be a waste to put it at the bottom of the ocean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and its fun to have in checked luggage.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides,it would cost way to much to send it to the sun.....$10,000 a lb for sending crap into earth orbit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What are we talking about disposing of? Spent uranium? Isn't its only use killing all the things?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. its also used for coloring/dying '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they use depleted uranium for armor piercing... hollow points are good enough to shoot bodies :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in large structures it makes a good neutron shielding too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Less cost involved when you don't need to keep the equipment working after the initial thrust, and no return trip - i.e. just shoot it out of a cannon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder how much it costs to buy per 16 oz'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This wouldnt even be a problem if those idiots didnt get the yucca mountain depository canceled after $12 billion was spent building it....now it is an expensive bunker for politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nuclear reactors of today only use a minuscule fraction of the energy that can be utilized in uranium. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they use Pb not U :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, pb is restricted for airline luggage, depleted uranium isnt =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol, Yucca was always intended for use in the event of the Zombie Apocalypse - the initial idea of nuke storage was a front'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is still plenty left, and if we use more of it, we get less long-lived isotopes in the new waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean Pu'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like Yuca :) YUM!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr oh, less long lived isotopes, i feel better'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why worry about yucca instead of pallisades'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you don't, you don't understand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yuca with an olive-oil sauce. Awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems that around 95% of spent nuclear fuel rods can be recycled into new fuel for power plants.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Select one of these: 300k years of radioactive material or 30 years of radioactive material. Which is best?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'will i be alive at the end of either of those periods?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even a couple of houndred years can be planned and paid for, but not a couple of hundred thousand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are asking if it's better a bullet through your face or through the back of your skull?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the answer is obvious, its better through the back of the skull'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'die young ,leave a pretty corpse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows that in 100,000 years the people living then would even know what language all the warning signs said if they found a depository of nuclear waste.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob be talking ebonics in 100,000 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, you racist'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about we don't create radioactive waste...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or some other language based on english...spanglish'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I am racist against vampires, I should stake you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tha would be a mistake'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then turn off your computer, Tiger. You're creating it now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone else already  created that'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, here we burn coal for electricity, and we bring it in by train with unlidded containters'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'aint it great, our containers lose only small amounts of coal dust on the train'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'coal is pretty radioactive stuff i heard, nuclear energy is cleaner than that, possibly not the leftovers though'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is a non issue....coal use in the US is down to 40% of electricity produced now, and will be 30% by 2020'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth anthracite coal is an issue and will remain one'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be better if they knew how to put things back where they took them from and restore that land to the previous state before they took it all out and had no repentence plan'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be a start if governments stopped stealing land of it's owners'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'with enough money you can buy repentance... everyone knows that chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they seem to put it back and it's all toxic and evil, cause they don't know how to restore it back to it's origins'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts owners... ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh its not hard to restore, it takes more energy to make wood than to burn wood .'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't understand the query, vd'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not true for water :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos it is in the presence of iodine.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could make much better use of water, especially mountainous or coastal regions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tidal power will be a major supplier of power eventually.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts true. we could make a good use of energy from water wheels '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we could pump water, make large viaducts'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and have it flow into a central system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'water wheels would work in developing countries or sensitive areas, proper hydro plants in developed areas'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you see a lot of volunteers ready to go grab shovels and dig?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay them, they'll do it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a 'proper' hydro plant requires materials that have a large carbon footprint to produce'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is an enormous source of energy stored in the marine trenches that can be tapped via thermal differentiation...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to other sources, not much'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a water wheel can be made mostly from the labor of men or beasts, and harvesting of trees'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper hydro isn't neccessarily a factor of size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'proper hydro is effected by submergence, rise, rate of flow, volume of flow, and that involves size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'archimedes screw turbines are more efficient than waterwheels'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methane hydrates has the potential to produce enough energy that is 2x more than all the known reserves of coal/natgas/oil '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd rather wait till liquid salt thorium reactors become viable'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but screw turbines require external motor force =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a water wheel can drive one'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir they are viable... you just have to keep the energy levels high enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i buy land with a river, i'll happily put in a water wheel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why not just buy land, and dig a well.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then make the river.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'compare to other sources? it's a natural form of energy, you basically only have to lower a cable to tap the energy instead of building machines that will dissipate most of the generated energy in the form of waste heat. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's silly, need a bore hole for drinking water and irrigation, the flow wouldn't be enough for electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts says who.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waste of a resource, you need large volumes for a decent waterwheel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'depending on the topography, there could be sigificant pressure on the water source'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, highly dependant'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no you don't tigernuts, you just need a large 'drop''
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't intend living on a large drop'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pressure differential is also a source of energy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes more sense to use the hydrogen in the water to make electricity with a fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont have to =) as long as the water flows from high point to low point gravity does a lot of the hard stuff for you'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'requires technology, riz'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth yeah, cause fuel cells grow on trees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends over what distance that happens, d'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they're renwable resources... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'and it takes no energy to split the hydrogen from water, either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'becomes an issue of practicality'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'praticality of having human beings in the stone age dig a well > 100%'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I have a cool methanol fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no, it takes no energy since it is already split :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydro fuel cells can be powered by solar'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok. tell me how to make a hydro fuel cell powered by solar, without the use of electricity.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and since a company is building a methanol plant in Texas, it will be easier to buy methanol for my fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth sure, buy fuel cell fuel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that is not quite the same as harnessing a local energy source, such as with a water wheel , or a wind turbine'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, vd, you do need electric'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was riz who said you don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need energy to split water in useful quantities, then need to collect the hydrogen and pump it to storage'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said you dont what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, use solar and wind to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts so that's something that can be after the waterwheel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the water is already naturally ionized, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that guy in NY who built a complete system to power his house, and his vehicles...using hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you could do that (they do it at a couple of airports here)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'waterwheels transfer mechanical power... you can drive a generator... you can drive a fan... you can drive a mill. you can even drive a drill to dig with'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hydrogen may not be the best carrier for solar power though. Methanol looks promising, and actually works today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth how advanced is his system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is hydrogen cars are pricey, and not a huge supply of old ones out in the market'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, he had to quit smoking when he built his system :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Current cars technology can be modified for methanol at fairly low cost.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr same for butane'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you're buying the methanol that's not producing anything new'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'methanol requires plants no?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no, you can make it in a lab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas rules....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you all should use more natgas....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth mmmnm. radon'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making it in labs doesn't lend itself to green, renewable offgrid living'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure all you have to do is put a giant garbage bag over a swamp.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'neither does piping natural gas out of the ground and buying it, the way rizgoth suggests'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or tie the bag to a cow's butt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any technology that is based on increasing the carbon in the atmosphere is a temporary one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cow butts also produce ammonia'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to worry :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current price of natgas in the US is $2.24 per tcf'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a matter of co2 and the environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just think, you can add water to a cow's fart and you have all the components for life :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about not being dependant on the system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so, tigernuts. would you agree the main reason we dont have more waterwheels is that people are too lazy to dig wells?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If increased atmospheric co2 was the big problem, we'd all be pretty safe'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i wouldn't agree'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, what do you see as the mainr eason?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, higher albedo is a fun thing to have, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's stuff available from university of florida and germany to extract methane from cow shit and leave the matter for fertilizer, if the government made that profitable for ranchers and farmers to give their waste to and provided the places for them to do that then that might cut down on some of the pllution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effort vs return, and small number of suitable places, vd, local or national restrictions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos might help keep spying martians from backscattering us'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more co2 in the atmosphere.....so that plants grow faster and bigger.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a digester i heard of , supposed to be pretty good'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts effort vs return = laziness'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It doesn't work that way, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, i couldn't do it where i am now - not enough room, water pressure not adequate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's stuff like waste management in edmonton which takes the fuels from the trash and recycles what it can'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr it does, if the plants have sufficient osmotic pressure'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more co2 -> greener, more biodiverse planet (more plants & animals in more areas, larger crops), warmer planet -> same'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if money wasn't as much of an issue alot of that stuff could be used'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very few places in a high population density area where it would work'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a need for C02, sure. But plants take care of that already. The tendency to alter the ecosystem is what got us into trouble to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the real problem is a shortage of energy -> shortage of other resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tinada no, there's no shortage of energy. there's just competing demand for energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'plants left alone will produce all the oxygen and CO2 that is needed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and not cleaning up real pollution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pollution and gmo is an issue, co2 is not'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos thats not true.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos tigernuts so why not just ozone the real pollution'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ozone is not the only pollutant'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ozonate*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'gee, and how did the plants live for hundreds of millions of years without our interferience?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemical fertilizers, waste'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos name 3 plants that have survived for millions of years'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ferns'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae has'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's beside the point. The fact remains that plants exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'plants exist. animals exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're poisoning ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'both work to excess if unchecked/unhunted'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae based fuels is the future.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree that co2 is not an issue. It's only an issue if we want humans to survive. The planet doesn't care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 is not an issue for our survival, either'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'plants have evolved just like everything else, and lust like everything else they don't need humans to mess up the ecosystem for them to survive. Besides,  it is arrogant to think that we can do better than nature.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth my ketchup on my french fries is made by genetically modified algae'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'human co2 emissions account for <10% of the total'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts what about sulfur dioxide emissions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however much CO2 is pumped into the air naturally, it's good enough.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sulphur dioxides aren't great as they can cause acid rain'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'human survival isnot dependant on co2...that is like saying humans do not evolve to the climate they live in.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is not good is to dump CO2 into the atmosphere for the fun of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Even if everything the IPCC claims is true, human survival is still not threatened by co2 etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth if we did, cell phones would cause cancer'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 levels could be 4x higher than today and we would still be drinking coffee and playing aard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would suggest reading up on evolution and technology if you really think humans evolve to the climate they live in.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except my tomato growing season would be a bit longer.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr usually it takes rickets like organisms crawling into our cells and mutating or dna doesnt it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What you have to understand that an ecosystem is a matter of balance, there is no way we can modify any part of our ecosystem (by force) without unbalancing it. An unbalanced ecosystem is an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Yes, we'd be sitting here drinking coffee and playing aard, but many other species would not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth tomatos grow year round if you use a cold frame'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inadequate sunlight in the winter'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts you can use foil to increase the sunlight'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not hard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't make sunlight when there is none'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there is sunlight.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need >9 hours of light a day'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why has there to be tomatoes in the winter. That's not how they grow naturally. Next you will want apples growing in the tropics.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no you don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are millions of species we depend on directly for survival. Killing just one of them would kill all humans very quickly. E.g. bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Coconut trees in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Ranrr is correct. This is the true problem with environmental disregard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i intend having a large orangery with a nursery with banks of led growing lights to extend the growing season'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, sounds nice =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but is it profitable.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be a matter of profit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, and don't forget to inject the tomatoes so that they get bigger and ripen faster.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so where you live, leds and nurseries are free?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need fruits pollinized by bees to survive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led's are cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cheap < free'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheap > starve'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lettuce has more vitamins and minerals than any fruit pollinized by bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mmnm cabbage tastes better'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you are right, Rizgoth. Humans, are not tied to the ecosystem. They can survive if they are the only things left on the planet. No plants, no animals, no water, no atmosphere. Just humans. We are ready to move to Mars.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Funny joke.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... tiger, let's look at this practically'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said we don't need bees. That is crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you have a demonstration model of your grow lamp and how much space it would use?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need bees, we ened pollinators, and gmo crops are wiping them out'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts ok... so you're just ranting, you have no actual goal in this?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you wear a save the termite tshirt also ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, vd, haven't even got the land yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts buying land is easy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, we could teach plants to build pollen carriers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's easy if you have money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can buy 4 acres for about 380 dollars if i dont care about structures or roads'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can get desert land even cheaper'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're looking at around $10,000 an acre here'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but what good is that, if i gotta spend 120 dollars in gas to drive up there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so when nature is made in man's own image exclusively, will the world be a better place or what?  i don't see what kind of life has no quality beyond quality control, it seems to be pretty bland though'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'send a few plants to the university to learn methods of artificial pollination.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then i gotta bring everything with me?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say that one of the best treatments for several types of mental illness is direct interaction with a natural environment'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i have a few plants, i know university staff, what exactly do you want me to ask?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh, OK dr dolittle'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'invitro plant pollination....the new ag science.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, first you have to teach the plants to speak English. Then teach them how to read. After that, just give them books on engineering so that they can build systems that will negate the need of those pesky, noisy bees.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, put together a list of everything that it would take...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'structure, water resevoir, battery powered led lights? solar panels? what.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found a new love for wheat.....used to eat mostly meat....but now I love sandwiches made with whole grain wheat bread...the big slices..not the small crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth i have wheat flour, maybe i could make some cockroach and wheat bread...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'borehole, solar panels, couple of small wind turbines, a house, a large greenhouse'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently grows more than 2x the wheat it needs to feed its people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts a small wind turbine is inexpensive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, use bees, not roaches :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'solar panels cost increases with the size'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'boring a hole/ drilling is costly too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm aware of the costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then it'd be good to have a windmill or solar driven pump.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also expensive is a battery bank'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a glass panelled greenhouse would be pricy as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, battery banks are cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels are great....I have a 4k system on my roof.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as long as they can have a large form facture you can get them very cheap'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'factor*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its when you want a small compact portable battery with high energy density that it becomes an issue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gary johnson is a good guy btw...you all should vote for him if you live in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'since a good portion of new plant growth is water, you'd need adequate water.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth who's he?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i second that, don't vote for the 2 party dictatorship, protest with Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the libertarian candidate for the presidency, standing in all 50 statses'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, he doesnt advertise?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little, he doesn't have gigantic corporate backers'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'poor guy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'principled guy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i think they should just do lifetime appointments for president, look at how much money and time it would save'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'check out his wiki page though....has his platform in detail.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a constitutionalist and libertarian'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the president could spend 4 years doing their job, instead of 3 years campaigning'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believes in the teachings of the founding fathers'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you people want to be controlled?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos for pay?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you want someone to have power over you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when he was gov of new mexico, he reduced the budget and lowered taxes, and the economy turned out surpluses....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously though, if you were planning not to vote, or were planning to vote for the lesser of two evils, go make a difference'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos because they'll pay you to let them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can never understand that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the term used on the media 'mindless electorate' verified by people's assurance that the politician with the most money is the one who will get their vote?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, its called ' money''
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he doesn't win, getting a significant vote starts to crack open the two party system'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not only vote, pass on the message'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh if someone gives each citizen 500 dollars to vote for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wouldnt most americans vote for that person?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Wake up, Tigernuts :) When Wallace threatened the two-party system he got a bullet for his troubles :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ross perot got threatened too'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why again you should get behind him'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, he had big ears'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's easy to threaten weird looking people'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that exaclty why you SHOULD support him?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would the honest and true government value ignorant vote's without understanding of what they're voting for (money or ?) instead of intelligent members of society who at least have a concept of what they're voting for'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you rubberstamping tyranny?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I don't care. I am not going to the funeral anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh because most people who vote, dont think that the president cares about the average joe'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that guy there, .. why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'whereas 500.00 in hand is probably better than any other politician will give them '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems most reasons are ok, but he gave me 500 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, johnson's platform is quite intelligent.....get rid of most of the regulations that stifle capitalism, and allow the states to rule over their own states without a big federal govt getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth thats iodicy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what the US was founded on'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'clinton removed the restrictions on financial speculation which caused the great depression'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and look where our economy is now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that's not what's wrong with the people. What's wrong with the people is that they treat the elected officials as royalty, as their betters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you want to get rid of more safeguards?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idiocy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vd, it's not idiocy, it's making states responsible for it, not fed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'clinton was alive in the 1930s ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same as removing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to blame anyone, blame Nixon for floating the dollar, then Reagan for using the national debt to back it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt make sense for the US govt to have 700 military bases and installations worldwide.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while I won't speculate. One of the things Kennedy never got to implement was the return of the treasury notes to circulation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the 250,000 soldiers inhabiting those bases.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it does for an empire'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'treasury notes eh.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the reason he was shot, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(1 of the)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no kennedy was shot because he was leading our country in a direction that mr oswald didnt like'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one of the reasons. There are a few 5 dollar bills still in circulation if you keep your eyes open.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mr oswald's opinion wasn't the reason'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was just the hired gun'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are an innocent, VampireDude, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so you're saying oswald didnt think when he pulled the trigger?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm saying he was payed to'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes. anaristos shot kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos next you'll claim mcveigh didnt blow up the oklahoma city federal building'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give the president the line item veto again...and you can bet the budget would be whittled down back to surpluses.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is skirting off the point, vd'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what's next, saying the the saudis didnt fund 9/11's terror attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let me put it another way. Had he been tried for the murder (fairly) whe would have been acquitted.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the idiot supreme court said the line item veto was unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately talking about conspiracies is a wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, smoking gun, admission of guilt, public views regarding communism and capitalism'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and won't help'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're saying a 'fair trial' would have acquited an admitted assassin who was present at the scene, and had both clear motive and a rifle that had been fired?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why exactly, ' justifiable homicide' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new mexico has a line item veto for its gov, which allowed johnson to use it and remove things that were not needed......if something the govt does costs more to taxpayers than produces a benefit....it should be removed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would have acquitted him? an alibi? what is your ground for the statement he would be acquitted'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth let's get rid of ssa and the v.a. too then'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or... maybe the dod =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of reducing the dod budget by 43%'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he said you need to reduce the fed budgets by 43% across the board, but a lot of that can be done by moving power back to state level'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth wont make a difference, the way to do it is to pay dod civillians the same as you pay military enlistees'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what evidence was there to convict him, VampireDude?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos his confession, his gun, with powder, his hands with powder, his repeated statements that he'd done it and the reasons why.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what confession?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'his confession.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was no chain of evidence with the weapon, it would have been thrown out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he didn't confess to anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos since when.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless arguing about it, the house of representatives inquests make it quite clear that he did it, but was involved in a conspiracy in which the CIA was complicit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why would he be involevd with cia, when he was an ex marine and had tried to expatriate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go get people to vote for Johnson :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would being an ex-marine mean you couldn't be involved with the cia?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the CIA was complicit, but there was no evidence to convict Oswald.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i vote for johnson, will i get 500.00 in an economic stimulus check?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yes, he did work for the CIA.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vd, but the economy might not collapse which is what will happen with the other two'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the last ex marine that made news for trying to work for the cia went to prison'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with the price of chips?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and the last one before that was sent to federal prison as a convicted spy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'seems like nothing but bad apples coming out of the marine corps .'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power plant operators have been giving the feds $750 million EACH year to build a nuclear repository for the last 25 years....and nothing has come from it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should get rid of the dept of education, just give the states block grants to offer their own student loans and get the govt out of the education business.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, very much so'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth better yet, stop having education at all... let people babysit their own kids'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I would like more control to go to states... Viva la Cascadia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why not just make a new country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then vote for Johnson and get all your friends to'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods <3 DJ Matty into action!
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'buy half of a middle eastern nation, and then put up your own flag and secede...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cant be that hard'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look how easy it was for the kurds... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'doing that sounds way easier than trying to arm-wrestle the government over the state and federal charters'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're quite a negative person, vd :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The War on Drugs has not been successful, and should be ended. You can compare the present-day drug prohibition to the failed alcohol prohibition in the 1920s 90% of the drug problem is prohibition-related, not use-related. -- Gary Johnson'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does appear that way'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well they say opposites attract.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'Haha. Except the Kurds didn't buy anything. They were forced out of land that was already theirs.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'matty well. dont look at the kurds. look at the israelites'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israelites didn't buy their land, they stole it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts really? i heard they bought it. was i misinformed?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, that's not quite accurate :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state of israel was imposed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews owned it before the palestinians did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing the jews did was kick the british out, then spent the next 50 years cleansing the state of arabs'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth just to be clear, you mean like 3000 years ago before, or like last 100 years before?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When the slaves fled Egypt, they settled just about where Israel is now, in Judea.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really terribly surprising that Iran hates them'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least 2000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, it is the same Jerusalem mentioned in the bible...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when the arabs and jews were friends.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth ok, and they can prove... that they owned it back then with paperwork... and show 'provenance' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'JESUS WAS A JEW!  '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you said they stole the land. Someone stole their land before they stole it back.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Jews lost their lands when they rebelled against Rome.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i guess this is why god had people toss infants from the walls of jericho,so they wouldnt grow up and try to retake the land.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were basically scattered to the four winds, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fighting over land seems messy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just goes to show though, that it's not black and white'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so basically... rome owned israel, and the locals tried to steal the land from rome?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no goodies and baddies in the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's pretty much it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos how did rome take ownership of israel...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'was it by conquest? or stealing land? buying it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did they marry in?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the dalai llama is hated so much in the news by china?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'he likes freedom'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel is sitting on top of a 300 billion barrel shale oil field.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh cause reincarnation doesnt exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered what it is exactly, he doesn't seem like a bad guy from what i seen'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and he's basically pretending to be the prior dalai lama and claims to own all his stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually Biblical Israel was a lot bigger than the modern one. It included, Judea, Sumeria and Palestine. '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos ah cool, so the israelis should take those next?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's up to them. But it seems to me that that is their intent. Else, why would the US invade Iraq and now destabilize Syria? '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'HEY!   ....Jesus really was a Jew....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos i think that the saudis have a better position should such destabilizations occur'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler tries to high five himself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, I am glad you figured that one out :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate the question is though... why should our politicians care about saudi interests... we dont exactly have a lot of public, transparent relations with them do we?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Johnson wants to end all free money to foreign govts also, phased out over 4 years, 25% reduction per year until 0'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nope, the Saudis cannot compete with Israel militarily. For one, the US would not allow it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'HEY!!!  .....WWJD? MAN........WWJD?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which even means no more $2 billion a year for Israel'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tanks dont drive very far without oil/kerosene'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if one thing came out of the Iraqi war is that now the Arabs know that the US will invade them if they are in the right mood.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or the wrong mood :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'our economy is sucking, i see no reason to send large aid packages to foreign countries... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i guess that makes sense.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos not really.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'usa doesnt do the whole invasion thing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently gives away around $30 bilion a year to foreign countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we just set up friendly dictators from time to fime.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth how much of that 30 billion is borrowed from china?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'But, of course, they should have known that after watching the heroic efforts of an entire marine division overwhelm the 2 security guards in Graneda.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos rent a cops arent paid to deal with marines.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should have continued on into Venezuela.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'them rent-a-cops were some mean dudes, man.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth if we had, we'd have had to make it a territory'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's no profit to be had by fighting other countries wars, and then giving back the land'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Why do you think that the US makes noises against Chavez, Rizgoth? They want to have an excuse in place.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos speaking of mean renta cops and soldierly types, what is your opinion of the iranians qods group , compare them to some other specially trained soldiers? spetnaz? army rangers? where do they rank up?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US will not invade a country unless they can demonstrate to the world that they are the injured party.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos we dont want a presence in south america we just want friendly dictators'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and thats why it will fail'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'imperialism fails.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Venezuela is a member of OPEC  :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it failed for the british, it failed for the romans'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you want to keep a colony, you gotta garrison troops there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that's true, it failed, but in the mean time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in the meantime, its election year'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Rome failed because they got lazy. Instead of using Roman troops, they hired the Germans as mercenaries. Guess what happened :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i was chavez, id try to get in bed with some of the media companies and oil companies and such that make huge donations to presidential elections'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like a casino, the money could come in the door from him in the form of subsidies or preferential oil bids'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chavez doesn't need the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and out the door from them for campaign contributions'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'need/want 2 different things mate'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is actually the other way around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just sent an email to the sweet candy company telling them to go back to using real sugar for their salt water taffy products instead of hfcs....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US wants what Chavez got, not the other way around.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth ask them to send me a free sample'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos remember the good ole days when you could just send jets with bombs to deal with 'problem' people?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Venezuala has the most confirmed oil reserves in the whole world now.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth russia does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which means they must have WMDs and therefore must be invaded :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said CONFIRMED'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, bush never got called before the international courts, so he must have done nothing wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US must understand that if they attack Venezuela they will have to kiss Western Hemisphere relations good-bye.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nod, venezuela has a big ' don't tase me bro' t shirt on, and the rest of south america has a human shield around it'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need to invade vennyland....their economy will do it for us.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could certainly march troops up and down South America, but they would only hold the ground they would be standing on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil prodution in vennyland is down 50% since chavez took power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet the US economy collapses before the Venezualan one does :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in a way that's good'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not because they want it to :)  Like mexico, they do not have the capital to upgrade their oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt you'll get a sudden collapse, i think both US and Europe will have periods of protracted very high inflation'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as currencies devalue'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'will? You mean you find current nominal interest rates acceptable? You must have a very nice job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'acceptable for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'acceptable for you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interest rates are broken right now'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep they are, but not to worry, we can always print more money'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a disconnect between banking and the real economy'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you don't mind paying 18% to 22%  on your credit card then you must have a very nice job :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it is keynsian economics that has failed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos what about if he just carries a balance, makes  the minimum payment, then defaults'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan has been in a state of non growth for 20 years.....that could be our future, but I doubt it....the US economy is still growing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth when you get ' too big to fail' companies, the economy has stopped growing'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure it is growing, but building autos in Detroit that no one buys :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, simple question. if we remove the federal deposit insurance corporation, and phase it out over the next 2 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'will that force banking to self regulate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh?  US automakers are all making a profit now.  And selling lots of vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, if the Fed loses control of the currency the US will collapse, there is no backup in place at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks self regulating would bad for your money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, how so?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what control is it do you think they have/'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the fed controls them buy buying and selling t-bills.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when nobody is buying?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter. They dump the t-bills or remove the t-bills from the future markets.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has 3x more interest in govt bonds than they sell each month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the markets realise they can't pay it back, that interest will dry up'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, why dont we just start paying people in government bonds instead of federal pension plans'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, the US govt is thinking of about offering negative interest bonds to other countries so that they can keep their money safe with the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that way when they retire, they have the bonds, and can cash them out '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, bonds are more valuable than the dollar circulating atm :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'negative interest, so controlled deflation'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth oh, but wont that force their currencies to a set pegging?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wouldn't quite use the bonds for toilet paper :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i know a guy that sells toilet paper rolls with countries's flags on them =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if you wanted to wipe your buttocks with the canadian flag, for example... '
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You can't have negative interest. You are going to pay the backs to hold your money?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already do'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'banks*'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they call it a maintenance fee'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what will happen, but you can't rely on history'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'because they dont actually need ' real money' in order to operate, they are able to charge a fee for holding my money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but they pay you a small amount on your savings. But what he proposes is that when you go make a deposit they deduct a fee right then and there.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the world decides that it would like to use a different current to the dollar to back everything, it'll turn you guys on your head'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'back in the day, banks had to have actual money, and withdrawals would take time for large amounts'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the dollar already sucks against the euro, the dinar, and the pound'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I think the gist of it was this....you buy a $1000 bond and in 20 years you get $990 back....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts if china or the saudis change currency, that alone would cripple america'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said. You can thank Nixon and Reagan for the state of banking today :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's aganst the pound roughly where it has been for a few decades'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth thats a good deal, if inflation drops'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the pound's value is artificial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos who was it that shot reagan?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they couldn't back it if there was a run.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hinkly'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody could, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos all currencies not backed to a precious object's value is artificial'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, but Britain is worse because they don't produce hardly anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they produce wool. and mutton. and tories.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the situation most of Europe is in, VD'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, boy, that's exciting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, wool underwear are a hot item in utah'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if everyone in the US bought 5 oz of silver...the price of the metal could skyrocket at least $20 an oz, and most likely much more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would that be a good thing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be for me. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, multi whole grain bread with 5 grams of fiber per slice is good.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'teenage mutan ninja donkeys instead.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, how long does it take for opiates to clear your system?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): a flying donkey???!!! is fit to be tied!  Rizgoth whips out a straitjacket and ties him up.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ask your mom.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'gimme her number?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ask chemosh, he visits your mom regularly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wait, chemosh has man parts?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how many saudi princes are still alive?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, cancer drugs are expensive.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Provenge, a therapeutic vaccine for prostate cancer, is priced at $93,000.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Avastin, a drug designed to cut off a tumor's blood supply, can cost $8,000 a month'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could go for a good suicide pizza.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. Air Force's robotic X-37B space plane finally returned to Earth Saturday (June 16), wrapping up a mysterious mission that lasted more than year in orbit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I watch C-span & in the ghetto where I live I am considered either not much at all or the new mutation.. Check this link out. Now I already know the country ran by a mix of crazy ass people... but this shit is just too funny I'll say it for the record while I'm somewhat safe from assassination or a total assbeating "YES CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE!! USE THE FUCKIN DICTIONARY"'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'life begins at incorporation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'HEre http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/15/mccain-slams-adelsons-foreign-money/'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's wrong if tax payers have their society's spending cut of beneficial programs while money is donated to foreign governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh you just dont understand how a caste based society works'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand crooks, lies and extortion'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with a margin of neccessity'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'McCain is under too much arizona sunlight!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I too can identify with crooks but all one needs to do is grow some balls & attempt to turn the table like everyone else when in position to pull strings..'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'babylon 5 marathon at the donkey house!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'bigman the sun doesnt cause cancer... cell phones do'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, in the fullness of time!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth hook me up, you streaming?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why i figure most politicians have to be married with children before they can have the job bigman'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'chemosh nah, thats to prove they're not gay'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman is agreeing with that (Friend) VampireDude person again...
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'on the other note though, chemosh that would help get even more money for tax returns once they're filed'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the X-37 is an orbital robotic cruise missile that can carry multiple payloads before crashing into a satellite and destroying it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth cool... what kind of refraction time is there between payload deliveries?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It's a mini version of the shuttle designed to blow up Chinese space ships before they can get to the moon.....we dont want them to see what is really on the dark side....'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I play the cnn clip over & over.. when I get tired of it.. I'm gonna watch cartoons'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imo any of the politicians one's naturally inclined to hate and expresses hatred towards in various ways could all be under situations of duress and making decisions not of their own free will'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like even stephen harper i read had some good plans before he came into power in canadian government, but lost sight of them as meetings with chinese and other people continued'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's possible that he's not really to blame for alot of the problems that his authority causes'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or any politician for that matter, obey or consequences could always be the case'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm always more interested in finding the roots of the problem, not satisfied with the pawns'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'foreign exchange MUST BE HAD! Taxes Must exist! PEOPLE NEEDA STOP THE FANTASY SWOGGLIN & realize that there will never be a moment in history where there are no taxes at all.. That would handicap the market! The Stock market has enough fuckin problems! Look at the shit people aren't really noticin what the sacrifice to get good insurance benefits just as a start! Good healthcare doesn't grow on trees or fall out of politicians's assholes!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'if we made it a boardgame it should look like battleship(tm).. Cuz Alotta guessin has to be dun & what sinks is just gone forget about it.. Ya live & ya learn'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that $2 billion resort on the baja penninsula was canceled in mexico....it could have provided 50,000 jobs or more....less people who would run to the US illegally.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'tell ya what if our government waste another 50-100 billion dollars just for some sundried washed up uninterested folk to have a market that's acknowledged period. Commissions coming back had better be almost double of what we put in... FOR FUCKS SAKE! LOOK AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU CAN SEE THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT AS LONG AS MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS! But you take it away & hypnosis breaks & they're sayin "Well What do ya suppose we do?!"'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'credit card fraud is up 87% since 2010....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I'm getting me a credit card! Woot!'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'get one of them prepaid credit cards and rip off a red box'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prepaids dont work with redbox.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and even if they did....redbox would charge a $30 hold fee per film til you returned the film.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'i never got a movie from red box, how many can you get out at once?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 or 5 I think.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'the cheapest prepaid card i seen in a store costs like $25, so 5 movies for 25 isnt bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, it would be $150 for the movies plus the $7 rental cost :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'no name is given for the prepaid card'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'redbox charges a hold fee for registered prepaid cards, unregistered prepaid cards wont work :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Ah.. They got smarter?'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'I actually prefer to download movies'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has always been that way with redbox.....prepaid cards used to never work with them until they allowed registered ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and added the fee.'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks for a debate channel.
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hwuaijijal ideasnotereply 21357 was incoherent from (1) a drunk stupor, (2) a mental disability, (3) esl  (4) several of the previous. -- (self-contradictory) incoherent forum notes are annoying'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also: (5) a mindf*** forum note by an apprentice troll'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be interesting to analyse the prerequisite components of a mindf*** note -- (1) must address something of concern to the audience, (2) must not be too incoherent, (3) often uses bad grammer (or USAmerican political-candidate english) to disguise the intent, (4) includes self-contradictory stances (so the audience is unsure what is being said), (5) must hint at ominous dire repercussions (if say the troll is merely ignored to gather support)'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breast Feeder: 'holy wall of text'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least that was "original" and not cut-and-posted from a website'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from h lottery ::  "Each ticket has three numbers, each ranged from 1 to 50."  -- that initially suggests that each ticket gets three chances (3) at winning a prize'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's a recursive acronym'
T3/r7/2012-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you quit tryint to seduce the mobs, Pleiades, maybe they wouldn't kill you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think I am going to buy a remote control spy drone and spy on the mayor and his cronies since they want to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to do the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stop voting in the same cronies into congress or the presidency....vote for Gary Johnson president 2012, send a message that freedom is still important.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the people really wanted to send a message, they would each vote for themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of all income taxes, the payroll tax, medicare tax, corporate income tax, and replace them with a 23% federal sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Would kind of screw States over, dontcha think?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not at all, if you paid the 15% income tax plus the payroll tax, that would be around 23% anyways......might as well keep your money instead of handing it to the govt interest free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Although I suppose there's one or two that get by without one now'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I mean, most states count on a state income tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'to pay for stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and most state employees gain exemptions against federal income tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'states without income taxes do much better than those that have them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not as a consequence of them not having a state income tax'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth stats with relaxed usury laws do better than states with them'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'causation ~= correlation'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'having relaxed*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And there's only, what?  2 states without one?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Isn't there already a sales tax in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bahamas does great for the same reason ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska, Texas, Florida, Washington, Wyoming, South Dakota, New Hampshire, Tennessee'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ranrr, no'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'state sales taxes, ranrr, yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'huh, more than I thought'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'definitely a big reason every credit card statement on the planet gives a return address in delaware }:>'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or nevada, or wisconsin, or south dakota'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yeah, and Nevada'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which planet is that Abe? the US planet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you know it, ranrr :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one of the meanest debt collection companes in the u.s. is based in virginia though, fyi =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they fire their own managers if they dont make quotas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not just the low level grunts'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they went through like 8 managers before they stopped taking my phone calls X.X'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they landed positions at other financial services places though ( i follow the linked in profiles assiduously)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude has a hobby.
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyways, brb, gonna work on my alt for a few hours'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The current US IRS code has 71,000 pages in it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth and doug whats his face has been in charge for like ever'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just a little bit of light reading.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what was his name schuler? scholes? schulmann?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth nod, it took me almost 3 hours to go through it the first time...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they're super polite and helpful when you call the irs's phone line'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wish they were that polite and helpful at my phone company =('
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Really, buddy?  You read 6 1/2 pages a second?  Go work on your alt'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i dunno how many pages a second, but i wrote down the time each time i finished a cfr title =)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Its easy to read 6 pages a second when you are stoned. Or when you are bullshitting.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just think of all those wealthy people who pay little to no income tax right now who would get hit with that 23% sales tax when they buy that $100,000 mercedes, or $18 million home.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Encouraging people to not spend money is generally a bad thing for the economy, I believe.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, good luck on that....people spend money....it is the poor people who stop spending money...and those are the ones who helped the most with the sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who are helped the most that is.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 8% sales tax on vehicles in Texas has not stopped Texas from being the largest buyer of trucks that cost $50k or more.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If they're paying little to no income tax right now, and only 7% sales tax (depending on what state they live in), how is changing that to no income tax and 23% sales tax a better thing for them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(them == poor people)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because based on their income and spending they get a prebate that covered necessities.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which would be paid to them each month.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food would end up being tax free to people who make less than 30k a year and have 2 kids, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sales tax is a bad thing in a polarised community like the US has'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as would utility bills, and other necessesities'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the grocery store needs to know how much I make?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here in Aus it works because our class splits aren't nearly as wide'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would the grocery need to know how much you make ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're charging sales tax to only high-income, they'd need to know'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is the govt going to know who is buying a store's products?  If I was a store, I'd say all of my customers were poor, and not have to pay any tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or am I filling out paperwork constantly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They way they do it is to charge all the same, then the poor get tax back'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't get tax back without filing'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont....everyone pays the sales tax...but like now you fill out a form informing the new sales tax revenue service how much you make and spent on stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So file?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that determines your monthly prebate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'constantly'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the dumbest shit I've heard in a while, really :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What? I'll admit the idea needs a lot of work, but the point you are picking is paying the tax back - it happens here in Aus a LOT'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not my fault you dont understand it, the website explains it much better....I am not a good explainer :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hard enough getting poor people to fill out their normal taxes each year'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is hard to explain the obvious good.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Easy as PISS to get poor people to fill out their tax forms here, as they get paid for it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I understand it fine...that doesn't make it less stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vakieh, they generally would get paid for it here as well...doesn't mean they're doing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Guess whose fault that is?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a reason many of them are poor people...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole point of a sales tax is that it's automatic, no need to file any forms...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and this would just make it much worse for those'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you want to keep paying my share of the govt, go for it...I will thank you as I deposit my tax free income in the bank.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'poor people suck!'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'm not rich...just sayin :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ranrr, but the point is that the exemption from the sales tax cannot be automatic'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better to make all income tax free and tax spending.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Examptions are bad. Defeats the purpose.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't understand how it can be so difficult to charge everyone, and pay back to the poorer - it works here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is it going to be automatic?  If I buy $8,000 in groceries this year, how are they going to know I bought $8,000 in groceries unless I tell them?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because plenty of those poor won't ever get it back'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, if they don't want money, that is their problem'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The grocer charges you.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because you will keep your receipts showing you paid the sales tax in case the govt asks for proof...same as now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to be blunt, poor people aren't necessarily the smartest people around...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh yeah, everyone in the proj. keeps their receipts now'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well that is an entirely different issue, which needs to be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, Abe'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He said it was automatic, and I didn't have to fill out forms'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing wow about it, ana. mere fact. didn't say all poor people, but plenty of them it applies to quite well...that "plenty" figure is quite high enough to make this the worst idea in history for "helping poor people"'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your monthly prebate is based on income, number of dependents and how much sales tax you paid according to your sales tax form you sent in by april 15th.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's the way it works in sweden. We have an automatic sales tax of 25, 12 or 6 percent. No need to keep receits or file forms for the purchaser, the seller does that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the seller knows who I am?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the way we did it here in Aus was to take a 10/20/30/40/50 scale tax bracketing system (made up numbers, idk what the tax numbers are in detail) and turn them into 5/15/25/40/50'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But you don't pay back that sales tax to certain people, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you are going to have a sales tax that considers income, it's better to have income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Whilst adding a 10% GST'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the grocery store, and everywhere else I shop submits my tax forms for me? wow.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I agree that the plan is bad. But I think that it is bad on purpose. Just like most rebate schemes, they count on most people not taking advantage of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sales tax is a flat tax, everyone pays it, no rebates.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the people that you're counting on not taking advantage of it...are the people it's supposed to save'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'state sales tax is deductible. '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the only other way to do it would be with a special sales tax card that would keep track of your paid sales tax....but most americans might be against that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It doesn't matter who you are, it's the same for everyone. It's not your tax, it's the grocers tax. You just pay it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think it's bad simply because it discourages the spending of money.  That's been an issue the US has been trying to correct the past few years'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'national id cards usually do not go over well in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'correct, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we have enough big brother as it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should sales tax be deductable?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the only other option would be to depend on the buyer to send in the paperwork each year like they do now with income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, SMART cards are on hold, they will eventually be re-introduced. Especially if a republican administration takes office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A sales tax that requires idenfication and forms would be completely pointless. The whole point of a sales tax is that it's automatic and everyone pays the same.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between what shoudl be and what will be if you let it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although a way to take the bite off would be no sales tax on WIC-qualifying items'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you let it, you'll have a nanny police state'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can deduct state sales taxes, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you souldn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I personally would end up paying more tax on a sales tax system, but at least I am in control of that tax, unlike based on income.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have a tax or you don't, i don't like the idea of deductables'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have no control over your income?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why? It is technically illegal to pay a tax on a tax, which is what happens if you don't deduct it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you paying tax on a tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'taxed income, taxed expenditure of that income'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have no control over my income tax, except for the fact that I pay none and plan on keeping it that way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not like a deduction is the same as a refund.  They're still keeping the majority of the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that case, abe, all taxation is double taxation as it at some point has been earned and paid tax on'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you "plan" on keeping it that way, then you absolutely have control over it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because you federal income tax is your earning minus deductions. If you don't deduct your state sales tax, you are paying a tax on a tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Yo dawg, I heard you like taxes, so I put some tax in your tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's dependant on the order in which you pay it. Would be best if fed tax was sales tax only'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no issue, then'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there used to be a federal sales tax on some items, they called it excise tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the fairest fed-level tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was an oxymoron :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 's a l e s  t a x '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's still extra tax on some items -- gasoline, cigarettes.  Not sure how much, if any, of that is federal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think they call it sales tax, though. The tax name is specific... gasoline tax (which is supposed to go toward highway improvement), tobacco tax, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, and marijuana, strangely enough'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there has been some court haggling about merchants collecting taxes for the government, though. It seems that forcing them to collect taxes is a 14amend violation. At least, some courts have ruled that way.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You're required to go to a post office and by stamps to put on all of your (illegal) marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'buy&'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just make sure you dont have your pot with you when you buy the stamps. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'If you're mailing pot, you're doing it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Basically so they can charge you with tax evasion as a way to increase the fines when they catch you with weed'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and don't put the stamps on the paper, otherwise your proof of purchase goes up in smoke :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In my state, at least.  Not sure how many states do that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think most states that allow medical marijuana use the stamp system to show it is legal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so just have a fed state tax applied to everything'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, but here, they require stamps on illegal marijuana, too'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how they do it in Florida. Marijuana traffickers are charged with tax evasion. So in FLA, you get the same punishment for a joint that you do for a ton. Which is why they are into so much bulk :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a fed state tax?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sales, sorry, not awake yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that what old Gary Johnson is standing on? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get rid of all income taxes, payrol taxes, etc, put in a 23% sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and give birth to the biggest black market in world history :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what riz was on to start the convo'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Also, I'd think that benefit corporations a whole lot more than individuals'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will a 23% fuel duty and 10% fed sales tax cover the fed budget after 43% has been trimmed?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You might be running into some problem, since current US federal taxes cover about half of the costs -> must halve costs or double taxes to balance'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, cut the budget also...min of 43%'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh sure, easy peasy'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reducing the fed budget back to 2000 levels would reduce it by 30%....and you cant tell me things are better today than 12 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be hard to do'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you can (a) stop most of the wars and (b) fix health and health care system, you should be ok'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they cut the budget 43%, we wouldn't need to discuss changing the tax structure'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could do the same thing to the UK budge'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't cut the budget, the government would stall'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government stalling is a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I would imagine military spending since 9/11 is a large part of that budget increase'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the extra 'security''
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dod spending has doubled since 2000'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes. The government has to keep spending to justify its existence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not including the war spending'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't need to, anarsitos'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wars cost money? Who knew?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the USD has back by the national debt, so that's another reason.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is the potentially dangerous tip-over point where a majority of voters rely on the government for handouts (see: Rome)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is backed*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Although they also are usually pretty effective at bringing the country out of recessions'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing is for sure, you need to get people to not vote for Barit Obamney'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see Rome? See the UK :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, good luck with that :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, whatshisname that's running against him is going to do better?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK budget is trickier to balance because the whole country has been dependant on social security for 2 generations'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think i could do it, though'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only real way to solve the problem is to let the country collapse and start all over. Anything else will be a band-aid on a band-aid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'line item veto is the key to reducing budgets.....snip the parts of the budget that cost more to do than they produce in economic returns.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might end up being killed in that collapse, along with losing all your property'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yay for riders'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's possible. But, I am sure that's not the reason they are not allowing the collapse :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wonder how much we pay out annually for ex-senators/representatives benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'work up to 6 years & collect for life is a sweet fucking gig if you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they won't let it collapse because the top 3% doesn't have to struggle with the idea of being a simply millionaires instead of billionaires, even though the USD is only worth about a tenth. They like big numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get money each month that the state of alaska pays me for serving on the city council of my home town for 4 years. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is going to change it if people like us down't change it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe. I should have moved to the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we could revolt :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take over the system'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but wait, no, the people in the US don't like violence toward the government, just toward the neighbors.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the state of alaska provides a monthly stipend to all politicians who serve for 4 years in govt for life.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you let them do that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nobody is willing to change it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would need line item veto to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US politicians don't get paid all that much on paper. It's what they get paid from corruption that hurts...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many states have line item veto'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, here is what fascinates me. You say "nobody is willing to change it", even knowing that, you vote them into office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '43 states have some form of line item veto, and most of them do not use it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they get paid more on paper than the majority of their constituents...but they get good benefits'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't, i'm not a citizen ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was the editorial "you" :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, if you say that then you are the resistance'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get to it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the vast majority of voters have no clue what is going on in the state houses, let alone congress.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, as long as I've watch the political process in the US, one thing has become clear. Every single one of the candidates lies to the voters.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but they get elected anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you need a 3rd part'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'y'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 3rd party will lie too :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, obama said he would close down gitmo, but lets see...3 years in and it still exists....:)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well...that's why they got elected...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and he authorized a $70 million upgrade to the prison to boot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you get to vote on which wolf you want to take a bite out of you... question being which one has the larger appetite.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe, but you would think that by now people would have caught on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'caught on to what?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if everyone lies, then what's there to catch on to?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said before, Sonshi. If the voters, when they went to the polls, voted for themselves only. That would send a warning to the politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't vote for anyone.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we already don't vote for anyone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the 13 or 14 people that vote shouldn't vote either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people are too busy trying to survive on the low income they make to worry about what politicians do, they have a short memory.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they're the croneys...why wouldn't they vote?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's crap, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'put the cronies out in the field with their hands tied behind their backs. They will be to worried about what's going to happen next to vote :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '50 years of voting history in the US seem to prove it true. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if everyone votes for themselves, or doesn't vote...and the politicians, lobyists and croneys vote, then everyone didn't send a message, other than continuing that they're sheep and will take what they get'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people keep voting for the same crap.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone new shows up, who can shake up the process, and nothing happens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the someone new lies just as much as the current :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes and no, Abe. Someone, somewhere, will see the opportunity to cash in on the discontent. They might just figure that if they are a bit more honest, they can oust the cronies and get some power for themselves. They will realize also that if they don't play the game better, they will also be out of power.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, which reminds me - the egyptian election has an islamist candidate and an old guard candidate. Both survived the first round because the former mubarak cronies wanted the old guard, and the hardline islamists wanted the islamist. And the centrists had their vote split into a million pieces.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would at least like to see more term limits.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of the lifetime politician.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think that as soon as the electee gets caught in a lie, he/she should be recalled :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that will make for either very honest politicians or very clever ones :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the very term "to cash in on the discontent" shows that they're no better'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but they don't have to be morally better just pragmatic. They will do well by the people because they want to stay in office.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but now, there is no pressure to do well'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since when does doing well by the people have anything to do with staying in office?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not arguing that point.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the people have to stop treating politicians are royalty, that will be a start. They should take up an employer/employee relationship with the elected officials.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right now when a president gets elected he basically ascends to the throne of the US and treats the people as his subjects and the people let him get away with that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxing income creates all the problems we currently have with enforcement and freedoms.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, freedom has always been an illusion :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local, state and fed govt wants to put up to 30,000 unmanned aircraft flying around watching over you within 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you'll be safe then, right? ;)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the most amazing thing about the people of the US is how they yell and scream to the world about how many rights they have and how free they are but can't tolerate anyone who tries to take advantage of those rights :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty bad'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of thing you'd have expected in the USSR'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'US being "free" is a joke :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you say "well, it is my right" and they reply "what are you, a lawyer?" :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love all the freedoms you used to have?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think I have ever been free :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA is already rewriting its rules on flying to account for the influx of new unmanned aircraft flying around looking for criminals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I saw that movie already, I think :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Phillip K. Dick knew what his was talking about :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, I think that the surveillance drones are going to do amazing things for technology :) The targets are going to start inventing spoofers, which will make the drone makers improve the drones, which will make the targets improve the spoofers, which...'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just shoot them down'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys have guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you gotta be subtle, Tigernuts.I mean, you don't shoot traffic cops (normally) you just jam their radar :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well detection and jamming is a start'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, I loved the part in "Paul" where the sheriff's talking to the Brits & asks how the police in England are supposed to shoot people if there's no guns'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use tasers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, they use guns. Just the bobbies don't have guns,'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 007 has a gun.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am serious. Whenever there is an incident, the bobbies pull back, and a "special" squad is called in, armed.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'british SWAT ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are one level below swat, they actually correspond to normal police in the US. They do have a SWAT also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the old days, of "come along, now" are over :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brits do not need police....everyone knows they are peaceful loving people, even the illegals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so bobbies are more like "peace officer" in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're supposed to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're not'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're glorified government bullies'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revenue collection officers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyone who's ever watch a soccer match would know that the british are not peaceful :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from what I hear, countries dread when a British soccer teams visits them :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's mostly nonsense these days'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is drinking and walking a crime in britain ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a crime in the US, too :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most worrying is the criminality being placed on thought and speech'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't drink alcohol in public except in designated areas (or areas where the police look the other way)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mind that law'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I tend to agree with that also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I meant drinking beer in a pub, and then walking home drunk....'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though must of the enforcement is produced by the fact that the designated areas require a license :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, drunk and disorderly is against the law.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you need a license to walk on public streets yet ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps a walking tax ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... no, not yet. That would take a constitutional amendment :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, I don't know, if they have toll roads for cars, I suppose the could do it for pedestrians too.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already track where you go and everything you say, they want to control food next'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or people riding bicycles into town.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, you have this very steep hill, the government drills a hole through the bottom and charges a toll for using the tunnel. If you don't want to pay the toll you climb the hill :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toll roads are becoming more common in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're contemplating road charging here with black box tech'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also contemplating that in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they already do that here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any new vehicle with a built in gps already has the black box tech built in'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether you want it or not'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except it is voluntary.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will just remove it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's voluntary, it always starts voluntary, then they make it compulsory'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you remove it, they'll pull you over and arrest you'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, i will still remove it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be in prison :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or buy a jammer for it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be arrested for that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh well'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they want to put 50 million people in prison because of it, they can try.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the point, we need to back them down before it goes in, it's easier than getting rid of it after'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just don't turn the gps on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't need to, people are sheeple, they'll accept it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like they already do with monitoring/recording of all calls/texts/internet searches'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck trying that crap in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they will tell you when you hook up the service that, in order to provide you with coordinates, they have to track you constantly.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all those people with gps active on their phones don't know what they have gotten themselves into :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently they can even listen to you via the microphone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just don't commit a crime while carrying your phone :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never buy a phone with gps in it, rather use a portable in my car so I can keep it off when not using it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do, your phone will provide with a travelogue :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wll, most phones have gps capabilities now, just don't turn it on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't turn it on, doesn't mean it isn't in use'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still use phones for what they were designed for...calling people...so I have a prepaid phone that is un registered :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, don't forget to put on your tinfoil hat. '
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want to go to a place where you don't want to be tracked, turn your phone off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't take a phone'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are really worried, take out the battery :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's tin-hat about it, ranrr?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology is all there'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intelligence operatives have admitted it's possible and they use it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pre-paid phones are registered, they are just not registered in your name.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'GPS receivers are not senders. Just as an example.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3g and gprs networks are'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only to the nearest cell tower though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all they need'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bandwidth caps on wireless broadband annoy me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$80 for 10 gigs of info and $10 for additional gigs of info seems like a ripoff to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll get pricier when they start taxing inter-network traffic'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because inevitably that extra cost will fall to proviers'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'providers*'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the clouders will oppose that. There is no point on having clouds if people can't use them.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't know'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure they will, when they see the bill.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late then'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but only once.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'international treaty, what are they going to do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only once what? if it's in, it's in'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'internet commerce will grind to a halt.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why should people pay a fee to shop online.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my verizon fios service, but if it cost much more, I would reduce my speeds and pay less......which is the opposite of what phone companies want...they want you to use more bandwidth.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't confuse "why should we have to" with "why are they enforcing"'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't the same things, they don't make legislation for YOUR benefit'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'online commerce works now because it doesn't cost the consumer anything to use it. If they have to pay a fee, they will just go to the store and buy and not buy online.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN/nwo want control of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember that'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I already pay for bandwidth with my monthly charge...if I had to pay per gigabyte charges also....i would stop using it for most things.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I remember it. But look what happened in China.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It doesn't require much bandwidth at ALL to engage in e-commerce'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one said that it did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt make sense to me to charge people to download stuff, and to charge ecommerce sites to upload the same stuff, thus getting two streams of income for the same damn thing.  The consumer would get stuck paying for both.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, what tax are they going to put on e-commerce's per kb that won't be unbelieeeeeevably ridiculous when applied to something like Netflix per kb?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'England repealed its detested income tax upon the defeat of Napoleon and enjoyed the fastest, longest expansion of its economy in its long history. An expansion that ended only with the -- re-imposition of an income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... taxes create jobs'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'www.fairtax.org'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would you do if you won $353 million after tax in the lottery ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'Have a jol'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would put it all in tax free muni bonds, and then party on the interest earned each year....about $16 million.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) /2.M.F.L Justa: 'ID start a mud'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many tps it would take to flood the market on aard and drop the price to 500k.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just noticed that uk 1p and 2p coins (minted before 1992) are now worth more as scrap metal than face value'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'There're a few coins out there like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were legal, the cost would drop 90%'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, is Greece going to stay in the EU, or leave ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm not sure, why did europe unite in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that Germany could tell the other countries what to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'without using weapons first, right?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the book of Malachai claims that God loved Jacob and hated Esau, laying his existance to waste - and Genesis chapter 25 claims that Rebekkah, the unclean woman loved her non-working liar son more than Esau, who provided for his family - and while Esau was out hunting and his dad was busy dying, Jacob pretended to be Esau to inherit his blessing, which for some strange reason couldn't be revoked once revelation of his trechery'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is the nature of the God of the bible, if he honors dishonest pacts with the devil over truth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that say to me that if the bible was divinely inspired, the god of god's didn't always inspire it, instead the devil authored it'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'which book did God say you can have no Gods before him... didn't that imply a) there were other Gods and b) that as long as you worshiped the vengeful God first you could worship the others as well?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Skyren: 'Would the devil author his own minions being conquered?'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus claims the  church that crucified him was the servants of satan'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that 'they knew not what they worship''
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they're just delusional possibly'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i understood anyways'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lore, id spell and id command all show less than the total information available. There are only 2 ways to obtain a total identification. The service at Hester's and the Identify wish.'
T3/r7/2012-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'miss'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'test'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'can you see my message'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'UN calls Quebec's Bill 78 alarming http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/18/un-bill78-alarming.html "Moves to restrict freedom of assembly in many parts of the world are alarming," Pillay said. '
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no shit, sherlock'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'What a joke the UN has become! At what point is Pillay going to confront China regarding their gross violations of human rights. Why is the UN and everyone else such a coward when it comes to exposing the abuses of the Chinese government on it's citizens? <-> Russia, China, France, Britain and the USA are permanent members of the UN security council, and as such their issues don't warrant concern. It's very christian, 'First remove the beam from thine own eye before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers'.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I wonder why she didn't notice Park's Canada Employee's obligations to support the Harper Government too, Marxist-Leninist Stalinism in a 'democratically elected government' all of who's employees must support the winner, even if they didn't vote for him. They might not have mentioned some other places, but the evolution of evil can be seen in history, and there doesn't seem much being done by the 'mindless electorate' to prevent it, or that they can do 'election fraud'. <-> Try bad mouthing your employer, if you have one, and see how long you stay employed. Its common sense.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '^-^ Here the employer is the tax payer, and the manager is the Government. It's not as common sense as it seems.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'person gets hit on his forehead with a penis... discuss'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ideological subversion caused him to choose the coward's way out?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'english please :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's as outrageous as your saying, seemed to fit in context'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can zoggle it if you want'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ah ok... the guy who gets hit must be very short'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, midget abuse, they still do that in some places'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never found any defining features of the quality of person based on their physical appearance'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'shame the poor midgets... they can't help they're parents chromosomes ducked up :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i've met some awesome people who have physical disabilities...'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so when're you getting the pretitle "Form" ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'truly amazing people'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'have no idea ey... but i want it to be an Aldehyde with a much cooler name?? since i'm more complex :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'pornography and the children of tomorrow.., please discuss your views.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'aldehyde child porn is illegal you sicko'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'no i mean the effect it'll have on future generations etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'and how its on the increase between the youth of today.'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'I'm only 5'3 tall..is it okay to date someone who's 6'7 tall -_-'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'are you a woman?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'that's a bit extreme I think'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well who cares what other people think'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's pretty awesome, in places like korea they hobble females to make them taller, cause height is social status - great statement to have a reverse relationship'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you like each other, why not'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'okay sounds good..'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's natural to leave a fight if you can and you're losing though'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'putin and obama staring eachother down, is there a better picture on modern earth?'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18499777'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they can be serious sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i take a picture of everything i value in life, the background is they're both in control of it'
T3/r7/2012-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's not really satisfactorily the best'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you ever try to raid a clan like Light, it would be like the charge of the light brigade.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'eating human flesh'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'what is a cheap supply of low grade pork? I'll take dinner with a smile for 400 alex'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'so you would try it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'I doubt it, hard to insure you get safe meat, anything that could be made to disappear, is some form of street life and likely to have the accompanying diseases'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'thats why you eat a bodybuilder?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'Hmm I wonder if you could get roid rage second hand...'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'not all of them take those things.. Could always eat a yoga instructor'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twisting FatesDagger: 'yoga soccer moms.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'naked yoga soccer moms'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'hmm id eat a milf anyway'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'pornography and its impact on the youth of tomorrow.., discuss'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'More likely question: Daddy issues on the youth of today, and their future impact on tomorrow's pornography'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'by 13, kids are explaining sex to US'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'serious guys i'm looking for honest opinions.., i want to use it for a task i have to do.'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'at the end of the avengers, was the big headed guy modok?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuft'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. k. thanks'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die!'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'choco taco's really baffo'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth... is there another captain zoom?'
T3/r7/2012-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am the first one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, any thoughts on Julian Assanges latest move?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ecuador, right?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't hear what he's done?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He has requested asylym in the equador embassy in london.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If he gets stuck there forever, it serves the purpose the US had of ruining the life of anyone who does what he did, so he might get away with it'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'what did he do?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's the famous pervert :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He is afraid to get deported to the US. Which I can understand... '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't want to be deported to a place without a justice system either :/'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought it was a broken prophylactic that he was accused of not stopping or something, during consensual intercourse.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Of course, it might also lead to a 'not one of our people' offing him in the night'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sweeden is the one that ones him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Sweden*'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sweden will extradite to the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, we are wussies. We do as the US tells us :('
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so why isn't the US trying to extradite him? One could assume because it knows the allegations can't be substantiated...'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They can be, though - he did break US laws'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it's using this to punish him for the leaks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Problem was, I break Saudi laws by walking around in shorts, so there are other issues there'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No he didn't, Vakieh. US laws only applies to residents/citizens.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'tell the US that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah, Vakieh. Thank you, that will save the expense of a trial. As soon as he is on US soil, he will be shot.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's nice to meet a witness to a crime :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He would be treated as a terrorist, and not even get a trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The fuck? He admitted to doing so'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But what he did was not illegal where he did it'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can admit to anything, doesn't mean that I did what I admitted to.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In my eyes and the law, it does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, who cares about evidence :) '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Admission is a type of evidence'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the Swedish justice system still does. Sort of.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the point of view of evidence, a confession is just as weighty as a rumor. You might be convicted because of it, but that still doesn't mean you did it. '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Evidence doesn't have a point of view, it isn't alive'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't substitute what someone says with forensic evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for forensic evidence, I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are plenty of people in jail that have been convicted because of crimes they admitted but never committed. This is a fact.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who's talking about forensic evidence? It is only 1 part of a multifaceted legal system'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if what you say were acceptable, then any accusation would be a cause for a conviction.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Accusation != confession, stop being a moron'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is in some countries, for some crimes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'confession = self-accusation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. terrorist in the US'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Getting back on topic, Assange admits to creating the wikileaks site, and requesting and accepting legally restricted information (restricted by the US) and disseminating it publicly. Evidence backs this up, both confession and the site itself.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'While I 100% support his position, the fact remains he broke US law. However, he wasn't in the US when he did so'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct, Vakieh. Not illegal, though.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ask Kim DotCom how well that argument is going'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ranrr, I am not denying that it is used that way. My point is, that convicting somone on an unsubstantiated claim does not prove that the person did it.  '
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The laws of a country only applies in that country. Except for US citizens, that have to obide US laws everywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, is we are really going to get down to it, convicting someone of a crime does not necessarily indicate that the person did it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I refer to countries where people get convicted on some sort of evidence :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In modern society, it does. Without the possibility of 100% certainty, at some point you have to say "yes he did it"'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you just made my point. If you are not 100% certain, you are admitting that the person may not have done it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is correct. But there is a thing called "beyond reasonable doubt" for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Justice is like science, you can never be 100% sure. That's why death penalties have been removed in most modern countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, just define "reasonable"'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If he says he did it, and there is no contradictory evidence, I am sure beyond all reasonable doubt he did it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's more than that, Ranrr. Prosecutors narrow the field to a point where they can contemplate winning. They exclude anything that does not fit that scenario. So, convictions based on circumstantial evidence are iffy at best.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm Philadelphia is now the bedbug capital of the country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'So... anyone catch the Westboro Baptist Church AMA on reddit?'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coins used to be worth something because they were based on valuable metal'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Made it harder to control the economy though, since as soon as the value of the metal exceeded face value, it would be melted down for scrap. Which would at least control inflation, by limiting the money supply somewhat.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, China bought $5.2 billion worth of gold in April, and $3.2 billion in March'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A new shale oil/gas play has started in Canada, in British Columbia and Alberta.....a gigantic natgas field....estimated to be around 600 trillion cubic feet of natgas, 100s of billions of new oil....but it is deep, really deep.'
T3/r7/2012-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure hope Canada builds that pipeline to the west coast to send tar sands oil to China and Asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Solar power by itself has reached 1% of supply in the US....going from 6 twh in 2005 to 56 twh in 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh noes!'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is good....need it to get to 10% of supply.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and at current solar power expansion, 10% of the world power supply could be solar by 2018.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I disagree. We need 100% solar, in the long run.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would need to cover the whole planet in solar panels, to be able to provide baseline power without interruption.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather have a mix of hydro, solar, wind, tidal and geothermal, with about 20% coming from natgas....another 10% from nuclear, but only if pebble bed reactors are used.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can be solved in other ways. Storage, solar cells in space, or maybe fusion.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, all renewables you mentioned is solar power...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, you go fund the money needed to come up with new battery technology to do it....the current 200 year old tech isnt going to cut it. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Natgas is a limited resource, so it doesn't solve anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said batteries? Termal storage already works, and scaled.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have enough natgas to last hundreds of years, if not longer if we make it ourselves and use the co2 for other purposes, such as to make methanol and other chemicals.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, I forgot, you don't believe in global warming.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never said I didnt believe in global warming, I just dont think we should be wasting time worrying that the the human race is going to die if the co2 levels go up :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it isnt global warming, it is global climate change....'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's the stupdiest thing I've heard all week.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Who cares if we all die within a few generations as long as I don't die."'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is the stupidest thing I have heard all year....no one is going to die from a little co2.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh no! the sea is rising.....of course it will take 50 years to get to my house, but lets run for the hills now....it is a slow moving tsunami!'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Severe climate change can kill us or at least severely cripple us.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah whatever, go back in your cave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Rizgoth on his head.
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There, there, don't get mad just because you think science is hard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I live in Sweden. We had certain days in June here that were COLDER than certain days in December.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'famous last words - "it's only a little gas" "what can a 1km long asteroid do to a 10000km wide planet" etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It snowed on my birthday. My birthday is fucking April 2nd.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'science my ass, global climate nuts are like religious nuts....instead of finding solutions to problems, you would rather bankrupt us with higher taxes on energy'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I favour rights auctions'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are welcome to come up with your own scientific theories and present them in peer reviewed journals, if you think that current theories are wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Calling someone a nut doesn't lead anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Come up with your own solutions, then, since they magically exist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but absent global government, taxation is the most effective means'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, Rizgoth, are you a creationist perchance? And/or a Republican?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather invest my money in companies such as Exxon, who do the research in solutions such as algae based transportation fuels, to capture the co2 produced to feed algae.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bump up taxes on resources consumed and let the free market sort it out'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then do so.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, no...fiscally conservative, socially liberal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That answered absolutely nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other words, moderate :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're an independent?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're either a Republican, Democrat, Independent (or 3rd party).'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I belive you are someone without scientific training that is trying to do science. That's the way it sounds.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with tendancies leaning to libertarian.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That explains a lot then...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'creating a market for emissions resources is going to be more effective in controlling emissions than individual actions'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great. Invent a way for us to harness emissions then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cap and trade is not a good idea....you will suffer economically with it, just like when govt said you would save money if they sold the utility companies to private companies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'figure out the marginal cost of emissions, sell/buy at marginal cost. More productive actions will take precedence over less productive actions, and there will be a strong incentive towards negative emissions as long as emissions has a large positive marginal cost'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the government gets money towards reducing the deficit too'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the politicians have proven that they cannot solve the problem, time after time. I think we are pretty much in the hands of scientists and engineers, and the politicians should probably stay away from the issue. Maybe some co2 tax that goes directly to research would be good, but nothing fancier.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the market is pretty good at that also.....this influx of shale natgas has reduced coal power prodution by 20% in less than 10 years.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a pipedream as long as the politicians refuse to do it, but generally corporations should pay for stuff they use, and damage they cause to others.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How would you calculate 'damage' ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the hard part'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's bound to be a rough estimate'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and corporations already pay for what they use.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'needs more work in that area, but you could start with a lower bound based on estimates from current engineering/scientific knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they often don't'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not for "public" resources'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure they do, the govt leases those 'public' resources to the corporations, who extract them, refine them if needed, and then sell to the public.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'main reason why corporate/personal income taxes are so low back home is that many costs are charged directly rather than through income taxation'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Any tax that is added to the corporation ends up in the price the public pays for the object.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but that increase in price is a feature, not a bug'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eg, the COE system back home, where they sell rights to own a car.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about getting rid of all those taxes that you cannot see btw, and replace them with a visible federal sales tax.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you want to promote economic activity that is more productive for the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, because then you would know what you are paying.....yes, that would be efficient for the people in charge. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as opposed to activity that is less productive but appears more lucrative because it has a ton of hidden costs'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you removed the income taxes and other taxes from things you bought, and replaced with a visible sales tax....they would both offset eachother, and the price wouldnt go up if at all.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then the tax would be easy to see, and you would know how much you are actually paying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not the point here though...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not efficient, and will ultimately be more harmful for the economy compared to charging for stuff that is used'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): FengWei . o O (  )
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd take my country's COE system as a prime example of how emissions should be controlled. Different resource, but same idea'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FengWei: 'mind if i ask what country you from sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people around here are not going to go for that cap and trade.  They were already screwed on privatizing power companies, and cap and trade would just add more taxes to power generation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, I'm not saying it's politically feasible, I'm saying it is preferable from an economic perspective.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back before power generation was privatizes, a kwh was around 5 cents....now it is 14'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not preferable from an economic perspective, unless you are the govt who gets the tax money :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it is, because it's more efficient economy-wide. It results in lower taxation requirements elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the top personal income tax rate is 20% back home...'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and corporate tax is... 17% I think'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cap and trade is a pipe dream, just let the market forces dictate where the power comes from....it will balance itself out to where it needs to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'market forces can only determine it correctly if the costs are fully factored in'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since it is impossible to quantify damage into the cost of power, you can't add it....besides, even if it could be figured out...it would affect every form of power generation, not just co2 producing ones.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels require certain rare earth minerals that cause a lot of pollution in the extraction process....causing cancer, and other illnesses in areas of production.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd use the best lower bounds you have at first'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the extraction of rare earths is less costly in terms of hidden costs... As bad as the local pollution is, it can be more easily handled at this stage than greenhouse emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm a half gallon of milk costs $15.60 in the far north part of Canada called nunavut......they really need a year round road.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if the company doing the extracting is paying for the health costs and damages and isn't misleading people about the risks, it isn't as bad as crapping on an unwilling population and expecting someone else to fix it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it's really out of the way, it might not make economic sense...'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama's father'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, cap and trade sure is working in Europe.....the price of electricity keeps going up, and co2 levels are not going down.....but in the US where cap and trade was defeated in 2009, more coal power plants are switching to cleaner natgas, and co2 production has dropped 9% since 2007.  Free market rules!'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the increased number of devastating hurricanes in the USA from global warming persuaded them'
T3/r7/2012-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and devastating tornadoes that near wipe out whole towns'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2012/06/22/sk-slumping-ground-saskatoon-120622.html the world being digested, related to human global warming, climate change, sea level rise (estimated another 4 feet by 2050-2100), or just an ordinary year?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'next year the river might be another 1.5 metres wider'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and consume 3'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'romans 23:12, john 11:15, malachai 1, genesis 27:19  Pope concludes those responsible for the crucifixion were the 'Temple aristocracy' and supporters of the rebel Barabbas http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/02/pope-jews-jesus-death-crucifixion'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the romans chapter there, the sadducees are the atheists and pharisees are the spiritualists'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'john 8:44 claims "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think that's jacob .. or the god of the blessing in genesis/malachai or who exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'John 4:22 claims Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't seem to explain much though, does it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzara sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'go on'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing else to go on, maybe you know best'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'i read the article, and i know a bit about jewish mysticism and cultural identity'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'i like it'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what's your conclusion on the liar they mention, and was malachai's god righteous for hating a victim of deception and eradicating his existance from earth?  seems like a killer doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they mention that division among them in the story in romans there, they aren't all in on the killing'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'oink'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'show me the passages again?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'debate -h 16'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'romans 23:12 doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'john 11:15 is about how ion wasn't present at the resurrection of lazarus'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i musta typed the wrong verse in then'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using a random number generator'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, the john 11:15 was supposed to be the verse where 11:51 instead*'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where the high priest prophecizes that jesus should die'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'later on (from memory) when barabbas or jesus is to be freed, the high priest and his clergy hire agent provocateur/people to chant to free barabbas and rely on herd mentality to make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the prophecy turns out to be enforced by money, if my memory's right and human stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except i guess jesus already knows about his fate, and it's supposedly referred to in the old testament in several places before it happens in the new'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'theres a ray of light coming in my wall shining directly across, a wooden cross hanging from a stone buddha'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'in my window, between the blinds i mean'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but look at the etymology of "Barabbas"'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'point was to show that at least some jews accoridng to the story were responsible for his death, but the pope did make that distinction it seems, and showed that not all of them were to blame for it, which is correct from the book'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'its about a half inch thick ray of light shining directly across the center where the cross intersects'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the NT bible contains contrived symbolic fiction'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'jesus himself was jewish, no? the integration of the church in modern times synchronizes with people and their banal way of looking at things'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i'm curious about is who is the devil in the bible, if jacob is blessed who lied and stole the blessing of esau, who's eradicated from the face of the earth, and that's seen as a great blessing in malachai chapter 1'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i was trying to find out about :), good debate isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'noncatholics disbelieve the authority of the pope'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'yes and orthodox, as well'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'some of us no-longer-practicing ones too'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'or non-roman catholic, stateside'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the history of the RCC popes indicates debauchery depravity and wanton lust for murders'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so quoting the "pope" as an "authority" on biblical interpretation is ludicrouus'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'what about hebrew, the kaballah, the hidden names of god, and so on? complex matter, possibly involving metaphysical and astrological faculties'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'zade yeah and thanks for showing me that etymology'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's all a myth'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A pope once had a previous pop dug up, his corpse used as a marionette and put it on trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Woah'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then another pope dug the same corpse up again for a second trial.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Chosen by God my penis.'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'saying its a myth promotes commercially stratified social irresponsibility'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzara: 'you are talking about deeply ingrained psychological conditioning'
T3/r7/2012-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'like santa claus'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone want to be poisoned by gmo-grass that creates cyanide?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did the world's people end up so stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'T.V.'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good answer'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lack of predation'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eoh, i don't know, there are predators'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most predators that feed on humans are humans, but they make issues out of polar bears and lions instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'too much oxygen & a lack of antioxidents'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they say, what takes nature 300 million years to destroy takes humans about a decade'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh noes! ice caps are melting and polar bears can't swim!'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'polar bears can swim about 400 miles i heard on a video'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was amazed that they made a big deal out of cow-farts on the news saying they're a big ass contributor to global warming (which they possibly are), but didn't mention the waste-disposal techniques and flax-feed as much as they should'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chopping down a mountain for coal versus a farting cow'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl ... big ass contributor ... ass ...'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, the bigger of 2 evils is the cow i guess'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tvwatchers of 2012, compared to tvwatchers prior to 1985, are: (1) more/less informed, (2) more/less deceived, (3) more/less stupid'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the government doesn't demand that all products sold in it's nation have to be proven by non-installed corporate scientists to be the most energy efficient and (generally efficient) formulation of that product within the knowledge-spectrum of the seller?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because your government doesn't give a shit about you'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're interested only in money and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could use taxes for useful stuff like that, augmenting the integration'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if government make changes that improve the lot of the people, it's usually either a ploy, or just coincidentally good for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in israel for instance, they actually made a water-providing device that fuels itself with sunlight and water (or somethign) and extracts relative humidity from desert air for drinking'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that are pretty awesome aren't they?  could be useful if they don't destroy anything'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's pretty efficient if it fuels itself, is non-polluting and provides fresh drinking water at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something that would be more useful to the wider public would be to learn how bore holes and water purification works'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read on a interview with lenin article from university website in 1917 that he was unable to require of businesses that they provide details of where their raw materials come from and end products are shipped because he didn't have the amount of professionals in russia at that time to do the jobs themselves, but had to require that to be hidden because of american interests of their businessmen to keep on making money from certain industries.. it might be sort of like communism, except it seemed that he wanted people who are immediately impacted by an industry to be in control of that industry, from the labourerer all the way through the ranks of the business'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now that there's so much knowledge in the world and such people are available if you want to train them, it doesn't seem like people're making much use of that kind of business model'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's actually fair if it's how i read he wanted it to be'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you wouldn't have people in charge of mine safety who don't know nothing about mine safety for instance, which is the trade-off with the closed-business, cutting corners to reduce safety as much as possible'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because the people who would advance to that position would have been labourers and also known about the risks, and have the interest of the miners in mind'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism was an invention of the west, russia's deposition of the tzars was bankrolled by the west, mao tse tsung was put in with the help of the west, Hitler was funded by the west'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably spot a pattern here'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that the East is so lazy and inept that they need help doing anything?'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Marx and Lenin were (are) abominations'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they, zade? you think Obama or Merkel is any better/'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only a person who hasn't read marx could say something like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only those blind to the way things are now would fail to see that history is repeating itself as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"by the fruit the tree is known"'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would say that's a pretty retarded tree considering i'm seeing the fruits of zade on this channel :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to be rude'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course, but i insist ;)'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"ur mom" means you've already lost'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's no way of winning against a person who doesn't know what he means or is talking about'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm too tired to argue. it's easier to call him stupid for now'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be true, might be not, someone could argue the same about you'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1/10'
T3/r7/2012-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a T9+5 speaks on debate, some folks listen -- but the unsubstantiated opinions of a mere T3 -- nyet'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell? Anyone have an update on the Justin Lew Harris case?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who's that?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, in October of last year, his mom burst into the church where he was marrying his fianci to loudly protest the nuptials. The mom claims he just assaulted her for no reason, he says he carried her out because she was disrupting the wedding, which was called off.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He was facing criminal charges and the presiding jduge at his arraignment gave him a lecture about treating family members with respect.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The priest corroborated his story about her yelling and being disruptive.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty what he did was legal.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He should have called the police, honestly'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that the mother is pressing charges proves how messed up she is in the head.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'His mom is a total cunt for what she did, but unfortunately the law is on her side'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't eject fucktards from your own weddings?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'ask a nightclub bouncer'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Various articles (which seem to stem from the same source) claim his cunt of a mother was seeking contact with him. Yeah, she should've thought about that before destroying his wedding day AND pressing charges against him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'hard to guess why she lost contact ehh'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But seriously, why can't you eject people from your private parties? People can be ejected from restaurants, cinemas, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's strange is that they seem to have had a decent relationship prior to her stunt. He invited her to the wedding.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i'm thinkin it's the courts place to decide if he's in the wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again I ask: What law(s) did he violate?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'who knows, these things vary a lot, and you don't know all the details'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's assault to grab someone, end of story'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'not that simple'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The mother refused medical treatment. Either she's nuttier than squirrel poo or she suffered close to no or no injuries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In this case, yes it is'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no it's not, the court decides that'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why? Grabbing someone and carrying them otuside is assault now? So how come bouncing is a job?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And yes, it's up to the court/lawyers to sort it out, but the charges are valid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because case law has established that that is the case, Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'charges are valid, but may not be upheld by court'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, then your laws are stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The proper course of action would have been for him to ask her to leave, and then to call the police when she refused to comply.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And actually, whoever owned the church probably should have been the one to ask her to leave.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If she refused, she's trespassing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I doubt the owner was present.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well, here in australia you can use 'reasonable force' to protect yourself from someone, up to and including killing them, but you will still have to go to court and convince a magistrate that you were reasonable'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This wouldn't have been a self-defence situation anyway, disrupting a wedding does not justify the use of force to stop it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'depend on the mothers actions'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She was just making a scene, yelling and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Being a cunt'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'mum might have tried dragging bride or groom outside, tried slapping the best man who knows'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't seem to be the case'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'She's clearly nuts. I hope he got off or at least with a light sentence (probation).'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you don't know wat happened from a newspaper article'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The priest corroborates the man's story. The mother is lying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Neither do you :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So she came to his wedding and immediately started ranting and raving about how they shouldn't get married. You'd think that'd be something she'd tried to talk to him in private about. And if they had already talked it, she had no right to pull what she did.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'true, but you are passing judgement based on an incomplete picture, i'm just saying the court will find out what happened, and pass judgement'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fact of the matter is that she is LYING HER ASS OFF.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you think Justin and the priest are in a conspiracy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fact of the matter is, she's a cunt, and cunts don't usually do reasonable things'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'karma will get the bitch  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'one way or another'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Somehow my search for more info on the Justin Lew Harris case brought me to an article about a scumbag priest who abused a bajillion kids, including a 6 yearold, who he forced to perform a sex act on his 4 yearold brother. The Hell is wrong with the world?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 6 yearold later grew up to beat the priest up and is facing criminal charges. The priest cannot be prosecuted for the molestation because the statutes of limitations are up. Remind me again why there's a statute of limitations on child molestation and murder?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'catholic ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Jesuit.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There is no statute of limitations on murder'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'thats what a vow of chasitity will do to a man'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In some states, there is.-'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least, not anywhere in the US that I know of'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless the crime shows are lying to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There kind of is - can't ve prosecuted for murder after you die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Crime shows frequently lie'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 've = be'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'TV frequently lies.... FTFY'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Hmm... apparently there is no statute of limitations on murder in the U.S. Either I'm misremembering or the case was concerning a murder in some other country.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think any country in the history of ever has had a statute of limitations on murder'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... apparently there is no statute of limitations against kidnapping, treason, murder, fraud, forgery, embezzlement and war crimes in the U.S. But there is one for rape and child molestation. What?!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Statute of limitations has nothing to do with the severity of the crime, it has to do with how provable the crime is after a long time'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if the guy convices the judge he was molested the judge will give him minimal sentance methinks....  or even allow things in court to aid the molest victim'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why does it matter? If you can't prove the rape/child molestation, then you have no case. If you can, the bastard should rot in prison!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'opps mistrial'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The guy doesn't have to convince anyone. The prosecutors prosecuting the case have openly admitted that there is evidence he was molested by the bastard.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'very unlikely he will go to jail then IMO'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Of course the prosecutors claim there is evidence... they're prosecutors'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, the judge has allowed defense to bring up the molestation charges during the priest's cross-examination. If he denies the charges, the defense is allowed to bring up to 3 witnesses to the stand to testify to the charges of child molestation.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why would the defense bring up witnesses to verify the person's guilt?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The prosecutors would be the ones trying to prove his guilt'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think the priest's own lawyers are openly admitting to the molestation charges. This guy got off scot-free (legally) with molesting a bajillion kids (20 of whom ahve come forward)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The defense would cross-examine the witnesses to attempt to discredit them'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're misunderstanding the case.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A man is accused of assault. He committed the assault against a priest he claims raped him and his brother (and forced them to rape each other) when he was 6 and his brother was 4. He says he beat the priest up as vengeance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The (former) kid was stupid to commit that assault'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'His defense is that he felt it was his moral obligation to beat the bastard up. (The bastard was never prosecuted for his crimes and the statute of limitations has run out for all of them)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if you want justice, take the evidence that the priest is a molestor to your local rough pub... pin his photo and address up on the notice board'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The law will disagree that it was his moral obligation'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah. But the law is stupid for having a statute of limitations on chidld molestation to begin with.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course it is. If you can't prove molestation occurred, then what's the harm? If you CAN, then there IS harm in not allowing it to go to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The injured party should have made some complaint sooner, after too much time it's a waste of resources to try to prove something for which evidence no longer exists'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But evidence DOES exist. The priest friggin lost in civil court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And he's ADMITTING TO IT.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The harm in not being able to prove it, but trying anyway, is wasting the court's time and the taxpayers' dollars on something that will bear no results'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'of course if the guy admited to abuse in the past... he will do it again, or is currently doing it'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Losing in civil court is not necessarily sufficient to prove guilt in criminal court'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prosecutors should not allow cases with flimsy evidence to go to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Instead of simply not being allowed to bring cases too old to court.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to Summoner Yuna's question.
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't believe this site exists: http://www.savewhitepeople.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that their loons are allowed on TV. Why do American networks allow loons on their TV shows?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i found this one from google: http://faem.com/'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the First Amendment Exercise Machine'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'News corporation have no obligation to let everyone and anyone on the airwaves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't agree/disagree with their webcontent, i just found it and it sounds like your link, there's another called stormfront that i seen awhile back'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna, what country are you from?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Stormfront is openly white supremasist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody on here was talking about a peoples democratic party of germany, so i googled it and looked at their wiki, which claims they're infiltrated by over 120 government agents'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany this one rather*'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cops have been known to commit crimes to get deeper into the organizations, possibly causing others to commit crimes which they then convict (agent provocateur) it's part of totaliatarianism'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the winter hill gang in chicago is one that i heard of on history tv, the fbi actually had a mafia boss working for them'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'caused all kinds of murders and stuff and they wouldn't have noticed it if somebody didn't blow the whistle'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's around the same time the cia was alleged to have smuggled cocaine into america from a nicaraguan airforce base though'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is this, pro-neo nazi day?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you posted a link that i didn't go to that looked like white supremecist website, so i posted some content that's similar, i guess yours was about their freedom of speech as opposed to any of the other race's freedom to racistly express their ideologies to their minority audience of free will'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i showed a conclusion that it's possible that most hate-groups however racist, are ran by the government, who their members think they're disconnecting themselves from, which causes them to be more maleable in control of the 'cult leaders''
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My link was a condemnation of certain parts of the human race. As in "I can't believe there are pople stupid enough to write this crap and people stupid enough allow those people to appear on TV".'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, they advertise final destination 5 behind the umpire on a major league baseball game at rogers stadium in toronto'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is probably watched by alot of children who aren't very conditioned to extreme horror violence at that age yet'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then they have themselves a engram of what is that sign about to look up on the internet, possibly, but there's all kinds of deterioration apparent throughout all media and the whole world'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what exactly was on that poster?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless the poster itself was gruesome, there's really no problem here.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the final destination 5 logo and slogan, possibly with a indicating graphic drawing peoples attention towards it'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In other words, you don't know. ("Possibly")'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so are you saying lies are a problem, and their content doesn't neccessarily have to have any weight, but not looking them up makes them dangerous, but a advertisement is ok, even though if they look up the false claims of it's content they'll find more than they xpected?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're adveritizing a movie. How are they making false claims?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'As in "I can't believe there are pople stupid enough to write this crap and people stupid enough to allow those people to appear on TV"'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'On debate shows and news shows, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you equate spouting off racist lies on TV to showing clearly fictional movies on TV?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Chris Rock calls the actor of Lethal Weapon movies a Nazi, clearly being an american white male'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you THAT desperate to win some kind of weirdass online debate or are you just a white supermacist doing a bad job of acting like a "normal" person?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how can that be not equated to racist lies on TV?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm done here. You need help.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you sound like the Angel of Death'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Alright.. Dissin the Ranger class is Gay! Lasher told me this & we ALL know Lasher is never wrong..'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the new drones the US are deploying for surveillance can be spoofed because they use unencrypted civilian GPS'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"woops"'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack, scientists have hacked into stephen hawkings brain, and a volcano erupted!'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, an american company has devised a way for the physicist to talk via a computer while wearing a headband that reads his brain waves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with CNN (possibly viewed by 80-200 million people) reporting that Aliens are a serious threat to international security, and must be defended against - as in little green men from outer space - is the news very trustworthy?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They live on Mars and Venus.'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not saying aliens don't exist, but i don't see their little green spacecrafts independence day with will smithing city's very often'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems that people are more of a threat to people than aliens at this time, and the news focuses on the odds of meteors, finding water on the moon and setting up a defense perimeter against the borg instead'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, you expect them to be more real at least, they deny god exists but have faith in the little green men dreamt up by science'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they are a real threat.. who knows'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the biblical context of the word alien means foreigner, or stranger - and defines mysterious actions by 'deity''
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are, any aliens out there are WAY more advanced than we are, or WAY more primitive than we are.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was stephen hawking who mentioned the alien threat, why i mentioned my question of the validity of the media'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in year 2000-2001 they sent a time capsule into outer space, to land on earth in 25,000 years - while looking it up, i found out that (maybe the UN) has a 'alien communicator' located in malaysia'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure what the wage of alien whisperers is, but it seems like a funny kind of place for that kind of job doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the long distances of outerspace are a quarantine against aliens (unless the aliens are also psychic and able to sense where to find more food variety)'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"To serve man" is a cookbook'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'living in the middle of nowhere in the milky way galaxy is both a good thing and a curse....'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but he didn't list the alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the middle of the milky way galaxy is purported by geek scientists to be a giant black matter location -- Star Trek was wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What?!  God isnt waiting for us to bring a starship to pick his butt up and take his worshipness to the peoples of the galaxy ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the darwin award given to 15 golf workers who escaped to a metal shed on a golf course at Foxwoods Casino during a lightning storm.....a bolt of lightning hit the shed. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inconclusive -- maybe they were safe inside the metal shed'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Typical govt bullshit to keep people scared and controlled.  "These indoor cannabis grows are extremely dangerous, use an array of hazardous chemicals and fertilizers, and by their very nature have significant health and extreme fire hazards. A citizens tip led us to this finding and we are thankful for our community partnerships,"'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Texas charges a 20% stamp tax on marijuana....or $3.50 per gram.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the days when you could catch king crab off kodiak island Alaska.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'My fav restaurant in Kodiak has a king crab that is 14 feet across....one of the largest ever caught....and crabbers think 4 foot across crabs are big now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riversong: 'Rhett and Link single-handedly justify the existence of YouTube. End debate.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers found that overweight people burned 350 more calories a day, on average, when they ate a low-carbohydrate diet, than when they ate a low-fat diet. '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nato-backed rebels pillage and defile christian churches in Syria today'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as storming a tv station killing 7 journalists'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Almost 600,000 ford f-series trucks were sold in 2011, the most vehicles sold in the country.  The toyta camry was 3rd, selling 306,000 vehicles.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chevy silverado truck series was 2nd with 410,000 vehicles sold in 2011.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't mean everybody's rich enough to afford a 50,000 dollar vehicle though, alot of those sales are probably people who get a new replacement every year and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'company trucks etc'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if 300 million - 20 billion dollars in a year is directed to inspecting imports, and nearly every product on the grocery shelves violates one or another health regulation in how it's produced, should that government system be overhauled?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'china complains about canola having blackleg virus on it, which affects nothing to do with the seed which they use'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but other places don't complain about things coming from there'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just dish out the petroleum, coal, diamonds, gold etc and accept the trash they're given in exchange (the processed products/byproducts)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if what's left of the non-chinese nations don't stop their governments from removing all regulations that exist, they'll become third world countries with immigrant chinese workers in 15 years'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and weed out the frauds at the top'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think mostly canadians will be operating the alberta oilsands owned by petro china (the crown asian corporation)?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe in afghanistan's petro china outlets'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll take over entire society just like that'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see it in my local community, the korean hotel owners hire korean construction workers from 100 miles away'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so much for 'multiculturalism''
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of those immigrants have bank accounts padded by their governments'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do that, cause a) racism, b) loyalty to foreign government, c) keeping foreign government's foreign funding in circulation of foreign investment'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which are the hotel owner, other business owners, and the construction company owner'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'over time all businesses get replaced by their administrators'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why allow them to live in the community if they do nothing but remove the people who live in it?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what wars are fought for'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money and power'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of the numbers, how many foreign businesses (owned by immigrants) could be floated on 257 billion dollars per year in extortion funding through a evil european government?  '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one i read about, and that's before it's crown corporations (international) and stuff's income is taken into consideration'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come all the critics of petro-canada who called it anti-competitive communism don't squeel at petro china, which replaces it?  exxon also has 17 oil contracts owned by russia's crown oil corporation'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in north america, in exchange for drilling in the sea in russia'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are bigger fish to fry'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of funny when they criticize crown corporations comparable to democratic socialism, to anti-competitive communism (stemming the flow of destruction and outsourcing of mineral wealth), and don't criticize crown corporations from actual communist nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who runs the news i wonder?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fascism isn't always socialism though, and communism can be fascist'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the end of this form of capitalism is communism, it's effectively selling freedom'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are totalitarian versions of socialism and conservative nationalism, respectively'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a bit like how crap with yellow dots and crap without yellow dots are the end product of corn and rice respectively!'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Who won? Marco or Polo and WHY?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: '^_^ Just wanted to know if anyone ACTUALLY used this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody uses it, piss off'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mye points excitedly at Chemosh!
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'You on the rag Starling?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Then shut your mouth when you're talking to me.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'Can't stand bitter people.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be enjoyably spammed, type debate -h Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Here Comes Trouble: 'ROFL'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'come up with responses to all of that, if you have the thought patterns for it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yuna was talking about how people who conspire racist theories should be silenced by the government, while not including any other race but whites in her silencer (their), so i provided a typical hollywood example of un-neccessary and flatulent racism against whites being force fed into the common white american mind through hollywood'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine zade's a asian or one of the kind of people who develops those mind-tricks'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zade is a whitey'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lethal weapon with chris rock and bruce willis was a valid example, because bruce willis is a white american, which wasn't nazi germany, and chris rock was a black man, who wasn't a victim of the nazi germans, but by some inherited crime of slavery, which spain/rome/arabia/france and britain all took part in blacks were subjugated in historical slavery, not inherent in the time frame of lethal weapon movie by 50 years or more, chris rock claims bruce willis is a nazi in the movie'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of course he has the righteousnessness to do so, unlike mark twain and the n-word in his novel'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , who wrote the script for that movie, if they punish dead authors and replace n-words with slave, how come they don't punish hollywood producers?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'false-allegations that all whites are nazi's are ok, but nothing white allege is legal'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's racism in lots of movies though, and some races get away with it more than others'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some more, black 'rap artists' call eachother the n-word constantly, black rap is replacing other music variety's in the background of most television commercials aired on all stations, MTV is largely frequented by developing teenagers who listen to black people call eachother that but don't think it's strange, it's illegal for anybody but a black person to use the N-word in speech'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think it's safe to leave off the "black" adjective when referring to rap artists. You need only indicate when one isn't black.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in siberia, russia - islamically motivated politicians are moving to outlaw the bagavad gita for being 'extremist literature' seriously considered by the courts in russia, who are blind to extremist muslim literature'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dagestan is the most violent place in europe'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government of mongolia revoked the claim of an ancient hindu temple built into a mountain to cater to muslim immigrants, as a historical site'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the UN chastised the government of austria for their propaganda on their website, and political movement to close mosques and export muslims belonging to them if they're found to be working against the state'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rules of the land before rules of the god , not acceptable by the un'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racism and segregation everywhere, people just scorn people who question it'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on canadian grain commercials, dekalb's voiceover includes a black man claiming 'this is my wheat field' while canada has no history of black slavery, they didn't use a native american instead and most canadians immigrated after the subjugation of the indian population from governments like stalin and hitler, of course they're talking to the general audience who recognizes that africa feeds itself and black people are historically canada's providers'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much of other reasoning for it, it seems like it's definitely engineered to be racist in one way or another, even if it's just asking the question why is it put together this way?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/09/burn-a-bush-michelle-obama-invites-rapper-common-to-a-poetry-reading/'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when's the last KKK-member american president?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably been awhile, the other side of the racism kind of thinking's just find though'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Only ever been one who was confirmed to be a member, Harry Truman.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "flock of bats" sounds more eco-friendly and accurate than a "colony of bats" '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except that flock would be wrong'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/about/faqs/animals/names.htm'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I love that site.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, what do geologists know about animals :P'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a colony is a fixed location, yet when some of a huge number of bats flock out of a colony, they are a flock and not a colony -- so the use of "flock" or "colony" depends on the location and what the bats are doing'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Maybe "a flight" instead of "a flock"?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a flight of bats aflight" sounds corny'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, you could drop the "aflight" since it's implied.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a colony of bats aflight" sounds wrong when some of bats are not flying'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"aflight" was used as a verb, not as part of the description'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'does a flock of bats run so far away?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a flock of bats aflight" sounds just right'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not often you get to make Flock of Seagulls jokes without the band being the punchline.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I get to make flock of seagulls jokes at work, making fun of an employee's out of control bedhead :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a flock of bats fly out of a cave opening, they are reminiscent of those flying attack swarms in Matrix2'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Or the "looks clear" scene from Pitch Black.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'english is a dynamic language, not an inspired holy set of pedantic scriptures unable to be changed'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw Chemosh: '
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Fiendish and Starling  fit the profile of (pedantic esl) asians'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've just racially profiled them as asians?'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't talking about any select group of people, i was talking about equal enforcement and judgement of what constitutes racism and how some seems to slip the gaze of the enforcers against whites'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who always get the spotlight if they have any words that can be seen as racist'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"white" english speakers are far more flexible and less pedantic (than foreigners seeking to prove they speak english better than english native whites)'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Zade's quite the racist.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heheh'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I wonder if Zade is from south africa.'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have no problem with not saying anything racist, i don't even have to call white people nazi like rappers do in their music, to feel a member of a whole - it's now a derogatory term you see, i just wonder why all races in a multicultural/multiethnic society, muslims, jews, indians, blacks, whites, asians don't all have to conform to 'what is racism' and avoiding that in speech, if any of their groups is going to be suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it just seems that some are pampered and others are silenced, and white people seem to be the ones being silenced most of the time in modern society'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could be wrong, i know muslims face terrible persecution in some places, but also they persecute anybody not a muslim in alot of their nations'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zade was born in North America, with white parents'
T3/r7/2012-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish wonders how proud Zade is of that last part.
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, go go supreme court...finally did something right....upholding the crappy health care law.....now just change it to universal health care that competes against private insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost want that neocon Romney to win now so that Obamacare can be repealed before it further bankrupts the country'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZGPWeuok4'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, a guy sold some drugs to an undercover cop, and used the money to buy some lottery tickets....he won $80,000, but the police seized it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, under the RICO act.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Massachusetts bank robber accused of violating his probation by scratching and winning a $1 million lottery ticket will keep his windfall and will not face jail time as a result of a court hearing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bank robbery is not covered by the RICO act :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither is check fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but using gains from a drug transaction to purchase an item flags the item as sizeable. '
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a drug dealer is automatically classified as a member of a Corrupt Organization :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you are going to be a drug dealer....just bury your money somewhere safe...and then when you have a few million....retire from the drug industry and live low, in cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or use a class I laundry service :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'like Morgan Stanley or Chase :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine in Alaska sold weed to get enough cash to buy his seiner boat....now he lives his dream fishing all year :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he might get visited by the IRS one of these days. That is usually Plan  B against dealers not caught in the act.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt it, he has been fishing for 20 years now, without a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'weed is a federally controlled substance so you must have a tax stamp to sell it :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he is one of the lucky few. But Alaska seems to be the place to get away with that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he paid cash for the boat, and permit from the previous owner.....the permit is probably worth 20x what he paid for it now.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he must have done it before the banks played nice with the IRS.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would it matter regardless?  He paid cash to the owner, not the bank. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can buy anything in cash, the problem is that the seller then has to mask the money.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the seller can't deposit the money either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure he can, over time as a part of anything.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as he can show a legit source for the cash, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's money laundering 101.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'iirc the IRS-bank agreement in the US is the same as here - under $5k and the deposit isn't reportable'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Alaska, people sell firewood and everything else for cash....Cash is more important than banks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'officially, the bank will notify the IRS at 10K. Unofficially, the bank may notify at an amount as low as 2K.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well there you go. 10 staggered deposits and he's home free.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not to mention the seller isn't responsible for the source of the buyer's cash'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'banks track your behavior stochastically, if you deviate, you raise a flag. Whether the bank acts on the flag or not is up to their internal procedures and unofficial agreements with law enforcement. '
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, during high school, I used to dive in near the canneries harvesting sea anenomies and sea urchines for $10 a pound to Japanese businessmen who would have their chefs cook em up. :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could make $1000 in a couple hours back then, was great.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's fine as long as you just pass the cash along and it is under certain amount. If the chefs try to deduct the money paid to you as expenses, then you are subject to be looked at.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, let's check out "This kid who said his name was Rizgoth" - it's never going to happen'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never had a problem depositing cash into the banks....like I said, Alaska runs on cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a lot of canneries pay by check now though, but you can still get cash if you push for it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not in particular, but yes in general. If restaurants suddenly start claiming deductions for their raw products in sufficient quantities, the IRS will want to know who is liable for the tax for the transaction. A deduction you claim just means that someone else has the obligation to pay the tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's why retailers don't pay taxes on their stocks, but the consumer does.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Here we have a GST, and everything is much simpler :-)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but most people just sell thier catch to the cannery, get a check, and then run to the bank and cash it, then hit the bars. :p'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, that goes on a lot. I bet the cannery just treat the small infusion of stock as if they caught it themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should get rid of income tax, and replace it with a sales tax.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they consider the lost in deduction as ample payment for the fact that they don't have to finance the elements necessary to make the catch.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, not exactly small amounts of catch.....a decent seiner can easily catch 30,000 lbs of cod in 5 days.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps 50,000 lbs of dungie crabs in a week.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the check is of any size, the seller of the catch will have to declare the income. There is no way that the IRS is going to ignore checks that large being converted to cash.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the checks are usually split into more than 1 check....a boat has a contract with a cannery...the boat expenses get a check, the owner gets one, the captain gets one, then each crew gets one.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a single individual with personal equipment can go out, cash, and sell for a small check and get away with it. Once the cash reaches a certain size, there is no way to hide what's going on.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'catch*'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The cannery is not going to issue checks for 5K or 10K without claiming expenses. They are not a charity :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 90s, checks were a decent size, bigger than today anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could easily catch 1-2 million pounds of king crab around kodiak island back then....now you have to go to the freaking bering sea to catch king crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kodiak island king crab is banned.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Probably because people were catching one or two million tons all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lucky for me, I don't eat crab meat :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can still catch king crab around kodiak island for self use, but that is it.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Had Alaskan King Crab once - near orgasm from food'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa still catches a few hundred lbs a year for freezing.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wish I could feel that way. I have never taken to crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'butter hp'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My brother asked the waitress if it was good - she told him someone died to catch it for him (brother was 13 at the time)'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when my grandpa used to catch king crab around kodiak island, the largest crab in the world was caught....a 15 foot red king crab.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but red king crab is tasty....much better than blue king crab...and dont even bother with orange king crab, or violet.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dungie crabs are my fav though....and luckily you can catch them from alaska to california'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and opilio, or snow crab is really good also.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder why atlantic ocean has lobsters, and waters off alaska and western canada do not.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riversong: 'water temp, and it is a long swim'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why does asia have tigers and africa lions?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'God is afraid of ligers?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'it was an agreement that they separate, because the magic of the ligers would be overpowering'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lions and tigers existed together in North America, together with Thunder Birds...'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course pacific alaskan salmon is better than atlantic salmon....'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their sheer awesomesauce killed all of them though :-('
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and bristol bay salmon is the best in the world, except for copper river reds and silvers.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are thousands of different salmon species, have you tried them all?'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course bristol bay salmon will probably go extinct if the pebble mine is ever started.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have tried king, red, silver, pink, dog, and cherry salmon.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cherry salmon being popular in east asia.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the others, except for the dog salmon, being popular in western countries.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and japan.'
T3/r7/2012-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and razor or butter clams the size of your hand....or at low tide, the beach rocks covered with mussels.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my name is michael westin, and I used to be a spy.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Are you Magic Mike?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I said, I was michael westin.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that show can get boring...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'So Zimmmerman is looking to get bonded out again. What are the odds he sticks around for the trial?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It won't be his money, just some cash he got off paypal. I'm thinking he just dips out.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He's been fried by public opinion even now - his only option if he flees is to hide out with the KKK - and last I heard they aren't too fond of Hispanics either.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're saying his ex-girlfriend believes he held "racist ideologies" .. so he might be able to get around the Hispanic thing. But he's half-white, which may be worse for him as far as the Klan is concerned than if he was simply Latino. But he did shoot a black guy, I guess they'd like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He skipped a deposition a few years ago and got fined ten grand.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is a jewish name,and he looks jewish'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Still not likely to ingratiate him with the Klan, then.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He has friends somewhere, though. He managed to utterly disappear for several weeks last time he was out. And before the bond hearing, when he was just in hiding, his own attorneys couldn't even find him.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Zimmerman stalked and murdered an educated black '
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'What sticks in my craw is that he was specifically told not to approach Martin, that police would be arriving within minutes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, he wasn't - the operator said "We don't need you to do that"'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doesn't make it right, but too many people are spouting bs about this case when they don't know the facts'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the KKK may justify 'euthanising" uneducated inferior ugly-looking blacks, but not good-looking educated blacks'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that one I would love to hear...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's forget for one second that "ugly" is a subjective concept...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if the community was gated, then the probability was that everybody in the community was connected to money and influence -- but then what was Zimmerman doing there in that gated community except that he was connected to the jews'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'http://www.eurweb.com/2012/06/cops-zimmerman-couldve-diffused-situation-before-shooting/ ... Det. Chris Serino presented a report that said, among other findings, "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement..."'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concept of "ugly" is fairly universal'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you sound just as bigotted as the shooter seems to be.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the concept of ugly is only "universal" within a group, which does not constitute the universe of discourse, but rather, a subset.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the moral of the story is that white jews are not supposed to commit miscegenation '
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that supposed to be a liberal pronouncement?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to be politically incorrect and state the truth 
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wow, Anaristos, haven't you worked out who Zade is yet?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a few seeds in that pile of truth and you'll have a nice lawn.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have an idea :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not Bill Maher
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's pretty obvious :P i worked it out by his advice on q/a'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not Don Rickles
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but those celebrities may be role models'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not sure if he's really that stupid or just pretending'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is method to the madness'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canadacare is superior to Obamacare (aka Romneycare) ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The beauty of all those "I'm taking my ball and going home" tweets? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They've had nationalized health care for quite a while.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hard to find a developed country without nationalized health care that isn't the US...'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fucking McCarthy ruining things years after he died'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If anyone can get healthcare, even bums, the terrorists win'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But do they have lions? Only in Kenya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en3PZ09fue8'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see your point, Ranrr :) A bum should just be pushed to the curb. Let the maggots eat him while he is still alive!'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can infer from your statement that for you only the certain members of society should be entitled to health care :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah. People that don't get insurance are stupid and ugly and deserve to be sick.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, I am ironic.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ugly people are the worst'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that insurance is the natural order of things. If you don't feed the corporate masters then you should die.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unless you live in a civilized country, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would tend to agree with you if insurance companies paid when they lost the bet, but they don't, they try their best to avoid paying.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so they insurance companies are not in the business of insurance, they are in the business of separating the capital from their customers and dribbling back a portion of what they promised they would pay. Unless it was Tuesday in July and it was snowing, in which case they don't give anything back, period.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ugly people are ruining the MUD's picture archive'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true, everyone playing here is ugly! With one notable exception: moi.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In my world view, everyone has equal rights to healthcare and education and these should be provided no matter how rich or poor you or your parents are. Maybe that makes me a commie.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that doesn't make you a commie :)'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet some people in e.g. texas would call me a commie for making a statement like that.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, once they get an education they will see the error of their ways :>'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah but you should hear what we call Texans when they're not listening.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not just a southern thing, though. We've been using our health care system so long, it's almost impossible to imagine it as anything different.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Even though there may be a better way to do it, it's difficult to imagine that giving more people coverage won't result in some sort of loss to the people who currently enjoy nice insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But Obama doesn't really want to send more people to see doctors. Sick people get disability, or other help, most of the time. He wants the "young immortals" to pay in so the sick and the elderly can maintain their same level of care.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you blame Obama but you don't blame hospitals for charging 7K USD a night for a room.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't mean to sound like I was blaming him. It's a broken system, and there's a lot of blame to go around. And it's only going to get worse as more and more boomers retire.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 2200 USD for setting a broken arm. Or 800 USD for telling you you have the flue.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Yeah, but for most people in their 20s, 30s, and even a lot going into their 40s, paying out a couple grand to have a broken arm set is a lot cheaper for them than spending a couple hundred every month for insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what's breaking universal healthcare, not the idea of universal healthcare.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Universal coverage works in a lot of places with similiar demographics. But it comes with a lot of changes, like banning advertising, and it also ends exclusivity based on money, which is really important to a lot of rich folks.'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you americans lucky that Obama has now got past his Obamacare law for forcing a new tax on the public in order to benefit the profits of insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whomever voted for him, give yourself a golf clap'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to know why geodes are so freaking expensive.....they are not diamonds afterall.....'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'cause they're pretty and rare, just like diamonds'
T3/r7/2012-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'want to buy a 17 lb geode for $35,000 ?'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'locate animal is only useful in a general sense, anyway. Unless there one or two mobs with that name, it is next to useless for most purposes.'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of the 16 million americans who fought in WWII, almost 410,000 didnt make it home.'