T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure how specific tt++ is, iirc many things in zmud would let you skip the {} and such
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, oddly enough it was a mushclient question and not a tt++ one ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle perk down.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: how can i reset position/sizes of windows in mushclient ... they are all f'ed up for some reason
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: resetaard
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Does anyone know how to get MUSHClient compatible with NVDA?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: hmm how to add a alias into muchclient form the command line i forgot sorry.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: can use the AddAlias() function
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: hmmm
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If it's the Aardmush, you can do #ALIAS {*} {*}
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: AardMush might have...yeah, that
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Does anyone know how to get MUSH compattible with NVDA?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: the aardmush one seemstonot work but it did before thought i was doing it wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: What issue are you having that leads you to believe it not compatable?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I know a lot of people use JAWS.  Not sure about NVDA
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: hmmm not sure its trying to accually input it into the mud and not the client
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ahh I though NVDA stood for NVIDIA 
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alain Johns Tech: Same here. D:
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alain Johns Tech: I was looking at the screen going, "whut?"
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Boiling BloodBath Tech: nvm was doing it wrong thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: It's not reading anything until I tab over to the output window and go through history. The version of JAWS that I had won't work on this 64 bit computer, so I had to get NVDA which is free.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/CommandLineAliasesAndTriggers
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Have you disabled the Comm log plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Might have better luck with stock MUSHclient, rather than Aardmush.  Most, maybe even all, of the extra plugins are visual in nature.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish nods at Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's true
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the aardwolf client package is developed for sighted players, sorry. WinkleWinkle does have some experience with setting up mushclient with sounds and stuff for JAWS, though. he may know about nvda
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I always meant to make a screen-reader package, but I unfortunately have very little knowledge about what would be useful
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: from everything I've heard, miniwindows just get in the way of screen readers, and that's primarily what the aardwolf package is about
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: although the gmcp mapper is probably still really usful even for blind players
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: Not totally on-topic, but I've found Mudlet to be easier to script -- and it integrates nicely with screenreaders.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I had high hopes for Mudlet, but the project seems to have died.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: The pre-packaged stuff is slow, since they rely on third parties to compile, but the git is updated quite often
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they should really update the website with status reports
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it doesn't help to have back room development if your shop looks abandoned
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: Well, not really third party, but not main developers.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: Aye
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Hi, anyone here using TT++?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I know the basics, what's up?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yeah, I do.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Is it possible to stop chat messages from show up on the main window? I setup a different tmux for that
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yes, if you have them being logged into a file which is displayed elsewhere, I would suggest using #line gag to keep them out of the main window
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'm using the aardwolf+tintin scripts, but I can't I understand exactly whats hapening
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: anyway I'll look that up, tks
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Ok, well now you're squarly in my ballpark
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You want to edit general.tin
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: where exaclty
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Top of the file under the "Channel Gagging" header
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ctl*
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nice work Ixle - looking at your google code site, looks like you've clean it up a lot.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Thanks mend, trying.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: oh... it was there all the time :)
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: There's also a line in the README about it too :P
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: wow, now I feel stupid
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hehe !
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: so you were the guy who made it?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Does that make sense how it works?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: No, Cheezburger wrote most of this stuff. I added some features, comments, and made it easier to access.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: cool
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'm thinking about moving the status lines down to tmux status bar
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That'd be a nice hack. Not everyone uses tmux so I don't want to make it tmux-dependent.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I think having a tmux for the status/score info would be cool too
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I agree, that's on my todo list.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: anyway, nice job, seriously
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: also the gaggin worked
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Nissim )
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Send a tell or w/e if you have more questions.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: tks
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ok Ixle, one more question...
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: can I disable tt++ from echoing my commands?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: #config {command echo} off
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Right... I see it now on general.tin
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ok worked, but I still get a newline echoed when I press enter
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: is it normal?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: What do you expect when you press enter?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: It can repeat the last command or send a carriage return
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: is it normal?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ops
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: oh, I understand now
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right, it sends a CR which is what I want
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rtek screams 'Oh my god they killed Kenny!! You Bastards!!'
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: repeating the last command kinda screws the multiple-page navigation
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: but the thing is that the CR is echoing in the screen (even though the commands arent anymore)
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: but I guess its ok
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Perhaps someone could correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the mud, even with compact mode on, still sends a blank line between commands, even repeated echos.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: It sends a newline after prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I have my prompt turned off atm
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: mine too
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: how do i change the room my mapper goes to when using 'xrt areanamehere' option
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: xset
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: hmmm, with mush mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mush mapper doesn't have xrt...that's mapper extender...and xset is the command
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you need to xset the new start room of the area
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: oh i see, xset just gives me "unknown command" o well.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarkthos Tech: xset mark
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: is there a general help file for the mapper extender?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: extender help ?
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ww help for all winkle helps iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's all explained on winklewinkle's site where you got the extended
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: ya it was a long time ago i forgot it was an addon.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: but ya, thanks again ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the giveaway is the word "extender"
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: i didnt realize it was even called that either. thought it was all the mush mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, but he just types the commands, doesn't know what's parsing them
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: It is the mapper, xtender adds a couple scripts to speed up a couple commands.
T3/r7/2012-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I love how Java's website says, "We highly recommend you install Java 7." You'd think after the exploit was found, they'd recommend 6 instead. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i wish i could pipe aard commands to grep. mudside
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Heh - I was just thinking that earlier...:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: me too
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I was thinking that years ago, even made a plugin that did something close... but it was too buggy
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: friend ago | grep $nick
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: idk about all this strange *nix talk, but I've been trying to find a way to link a C++ executable to MUSHclient...no API makes that rather difficult though :-(
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I suppose correct way would be to make c++ lua binding instead and import it as a library
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: slip in a tail -n and you could do it
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Only way I've found is to have Mush write to a log file, and have an update event fire off timed autosaves of the log file
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Should probably ask DB or Jhav how they do it...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Can you not use Luacom?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i was gonna ask if Mush could use COM
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If Lua can, I don't see why not.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Hrm...first I've seen of that - any idea if it's part of Mush's implementation of Lua?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the closest thing i've got to grep is my eq searching script that filters items in bags when examined
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: should be a part of any scripting language mush suppots
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Since Lua is a standalone language, I don't see why it wouldn't work in MUSH, considering you can write Lua scripts.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: tbh the only languages I've ever linked have been C++, C# and Java
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm able to get it to work in CMUD, at the very least.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, zmud/cmud support COM well
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: how do i pull zone name from gcmp ?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: can anyone tell me how to pull a variable from existing plugin? ... looking to get zone name, character level ... maybe alignment ... to make quick alias of mobdeath <mylvl+10> <mylvl+15>
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: extremely easy with GMCP
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: yesh ... that tells me how 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: well, first you create an alias
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: a few specifics though would make it easier ..
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: lvl = get_level()
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Send("mobdeaths " .. lvl - 2 .. " " .. lvl + 2 .. " good")
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: get_level is a valid function in script mode ?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: then you define the get_level function (a good place to put it into is the script file)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: (under options -> scripting)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: require "gmcphelper"
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: function get_level()
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: res, gmcparg = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval","char")
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: luastmt = "gmcpdata = " .. gmcparg
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: assert (loadstring (luastmt or "")) ()
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: level = tonumber(gmcpval("status.level"))
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: return level
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: end
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Interesting way to share code :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: oh my god, that code just made my bot drop all my eq, sac it all, and give the rest to an unkillable mob!!!!111
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: mine just made me decapitate a mob
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: ... sweet worked perfectly
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: i just took that code that grabbed the gcmp data and stuck it in the alias ... no need to other with adding new script file
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I just have several aliases that need to know my level.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The script file is good for those.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Before I knew about gmcp I triggered off every level message into a level var - I should probably update all that to gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: i imagine that would make a rather cumbersom process
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: coulda got it from statmon for a while now
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: A grand total of 3 triggers - level, SH, and remort
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The daily blessing level requires use of a regex, but aside from 1 word it's the same as an ordinary level msg
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: who else uses the aard mush client? How do I turn off the "time to tick?"
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: it is a plugin you can disable
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Aardwolf_Tick_Timer
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: type clients ...175 currently on with aardmush
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: ok how do I do that?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: ctrl+shift+p 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ctrl shift p, highlight and click 'disable'
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: seems only one poor soul is using mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: awesome thank you!!!!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But realisically, it is one of the most common and useful pieces of info you have
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchanting Flavia Tech: sorry not much on the tech side.. I really appreciate your help!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Enchanting Flavia )
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Enchanting Flavia :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: Flavia DeLuce?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Mudding is one of the only ways left to learn certain aspects of programming in a live environment
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: odd .. i used to use mudmaster + mm2k ... not on the list at all :/
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: anyone know the VBscript function to handle large numbers? My quest tracker overflows if i don't clear the gold awarded  value every few quests
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Hmmm, seems to work just fine with Lua ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: isn't it just bigint?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: just fyi its Cdbl or Clng to handle larger integers in VBs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Any Doctrine users around?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: any what?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think there was a way to get all the GMCP data dumped into the main screen. How?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Duckbat wrote a proxy that did that.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I believe it's still on his website
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think it should be possible with MUSHclient.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Or perhaps even mudside...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: MUSH reads GMCP already, doesn't it?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, but it won't display it for my reading pleasure.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What's the Lua command to print the Lua_path/Lua_cpath variable?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Goatskill Tech: print(package.path)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Goatskill Tech: print(package.cpath)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sorry for delay in response, was on phone.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: is there an expratio plugin for mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: statdb gives lots of info, but check out the comli site in help www
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nope, no exp/sec type pluging there... those rock for unexperienced levelers
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://mud.alhena.org/scripting/index.php#02 <--- someone who knows mush should write one... it's a pretty simple script :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's stuff already includes the functionality, no need to look at alhena's
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i dont see it, and dont use mush myself to figure out which has that functionality :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I don't use mush either, and I figured out which one gathers that info simply by the filename :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the broadcast_* ones are the worker engines, the other ones are mainly display, and the db ones supercharge other ones by giving them a database backend
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: broadcast mob doesnt mention anything about expratios
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: erm kills
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: To be honest, it's quite easy to write anyway. You can use Lua's timediff function (I forget the actual function at the moment) to determine number of seconds vs experience gained, and other things.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ozzy, did you read what it DOES say?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod... just a timestart/end ... divide exp by seconds
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so...that's called all of the info you need...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as I said, that's the worker engine, it won't display anything to you, but it gets all the data needed
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and it's all greek to me, and prolly would be to the person im asking about it for :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: was looking for an "install this, it will show your ratio" script :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, that gets you halfway there.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, it's there
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: he's trying to make my life easier, and then in turn, his 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to be blunt, he's not helping at all
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: whisper down the lane crap is a hindrance, not a help
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: whisper down the lane?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, whisper down the lane
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ok, im dumb, your smart... whisper down the lane?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: maybe that will get me an informative answer
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Whisper+down+the+lane
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: is there a trick to making an alias that calls other in-game aliases?  I'm trying to get to Sendhia quickly using "rt vidblain
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ahh.. you dont know... thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: daikojun: send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure I do, ozzy, and I've answered
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ahh, thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: in-game aliases can't call each other
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yeah I meant MC alias calling in-game alias
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: at any rate, the entrance to vidblain dumps you into a random vidblain room so your ingame alias wouldn't know where to go.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: easier for one who knows to answer directly then several people who dont to leave the mud, goto the web, read way too much info
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ozzy, download my scripts and just load StatMonitor.xml, anything else it needs will be automatically loaded and you will get what you want
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: shouldn't need to send to execute then, unless you want a mush alias to call another mush alias
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/StatMonitor
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, had you read where I sent you, you would've seen statmonitor and statdb
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both of which call the kills info and compile them
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ozzy, please follow the installation instrunctions also: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Installation
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i read the "This will show information in the output about " ... the things listed didnt look like what im looking for
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it will show xp/minute, not xp/second, it was added in a later version
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and all other info can be turned off?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: so, you don't want to use the cp/gq/quest stuff in statmonitor?  Because no, it can't be turned off
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: information overkill for this application... but it will do, thanks Bast :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: np
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, in mush now... statmon isnt showing on a kill by kill basis, and i dont see anything to toggle/set in statmn set
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so, Bast's doesnt do exp/sec on a per kill basis, anyone know of a mush plugin that does what expratio did in zmud? --> 26.80 exp per second for 5 seconds. (134exp)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: statmon ?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod, just loaded it, didn't see that functionality
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why not write your own?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Bast's
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i  dont use mush
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: statmon is per pup or level from what I can see :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod Chimeishio
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: okay, I'm confused...if you don't use mush, why do you need a plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for a clannie
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: statdb stores info per kill...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For someone else.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: because he thinks that it's smarter to not let the people who actually want stuff to ask
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i got it in zmud :P 27.28 exp per second for 7 seconds. (191exp)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you clanfolk have strange sensabilities.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: He's just being nice and trying to help me and any one else in our clan with mush.  I'm a bit inept and he was just helping me a long.  good lord, kill the poor guy for being nice.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, the problem is that his help is more of a hindrance
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: best intentions, horrible idea
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sometimes the best way to be nice is not to be so nice
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: a lot of people dont wanna learn how to code, they wanna learn how to play better :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nobody asked them to learn how to code
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Code does not make you play better.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and you're not saving them how to code cuz you're not willing to code for them
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: info does
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you're still not helping
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not really.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: The obvious solution is that your entire clan swaps to Tintin++ and I'll make my xp counter available. nodself
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle points out the sarcasm before getting jumped.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: they already have a coder in Ozzy, though.  Why not just buy ZMud?  One month's subscription to WoW's not going to break anyone.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy giggles at Ixle's actions.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: zmud is dead.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and being clannies, I bet they'd even help each other out if someone didn't have it.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i can port to cmud easy enough
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd suggest trying statdb and requesting an update on kill
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: im not against Mush at ALL, it's awesome, just not for me yet
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: while on statmn and statdb is there a way to report to commlog without using an aard channel?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i was looking for that too... just a #SHOW
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Change the code to use 'echo' instead of 'gtell'?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: echo sends a command, i was looking for a clietside echo
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: okay, then how do I get echo into comm log and not the main window? :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Or put the message in a Note()
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: chimeishio, it looks like bast's stuff ships with some channel stuff set to go to comm log instead of aard channel
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the wiki page for statmonitor shows settings of questchan    : commlog   - the channel to put quest results on 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod, ships with all going to commlog currently
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I tried that, didn't seem to work, will look again
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: is yours an older version, pre-that-ability?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: downloaded within last couple weeks
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try downloading just statmonitor.xml
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno how often he updates the zipfile itself
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys! where can i get microsoft outlook crack product activation key?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: On the interwebs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: from www.microsoft.com, buy outlook
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we don't give out illegal info here
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seductress Reina shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although it looks like it has been updated, zip is r1844, statmonitor says commlog as an option came in 1804
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: hmm, no, when I set to commlog it shows up in the main window, anyways, I'll try updating when I get a chance
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've put specifically "commlog" as the channel (no spaces)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, hmm, that's interesting...y'know, I'll bet it's Fiendish's plugin that is echoing it in main...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone know any best music downloaded recommand??
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Reina... uh.. what?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: i want to download mp3 song..any softward to recommand?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: chinese and english song
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: i use torrents
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: just go with iTunes, it has a feature that recommends related content for you based on what reviewers are also downloading.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: iTunes
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: beside torrents?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: iTunes or google play, is my reccomendation
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: sorry i hit all the wrong chans....i use www.thepiratebay.org to download my movies and music
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: can i use in ipad?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I think you can also get recommendations via Ping, based on what your social-network friends say.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: if you have an ipad itunes is probably your best bet.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: not if you dont want to pay :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Then that'd be piracy, which illegal and doesn't belong on this channel.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: no...using www.thepiratebay.org is legal asswipe
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: so ipad itunes huh
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: what you chose to download may or may not be
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: I"m a fan of amazon mp3
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dirk: (1) language, (2) the website is legal, pirating is not
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: That I'm aware of, Dirk. However, a majority of the contents there would fall under piracy.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Also, theres no reason to insulty me.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Daloran.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: that was also uncalled for too huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Indeed.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm sure you only download the legal stuff, and use thepiratebay rather than the band's site just because the band's site isn't as pretty
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: of course
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: have none of you guys actually used thepiratebay.org before?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: Oooh, common lies.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, and thepiratebay.se ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: yea
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: next up ... "There is no gquest version"
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: they changd it to .se
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at least get the right site :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they didn't change it for fun...they were raided...you know, cuz they're all legit & stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: i work late nights on 3rd shift and i dont have DVR so i download all my tv shows and movies from www.thepiratebay.se so i can watch them on my 23" touchscreen HP touchsmart all in one
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Doesn't make it legal, dirk
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: hulu is legal isnt it?  its legal to download tv shows :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: technically, as long as he pays for the rights thru his cable provider I think it does.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: That is not the pirate bay.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: besides, www.tv-links.eu is better for that :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: And no styx, it doesn't.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's a difference between YOU downloading tv shows and Hulu downloading them.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dirk: hulu is owned by NBC...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler gives you a BIG high five!  Way to go!! 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they own the content displayed there, and they change what is available to maximize their own profits
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: regardless i pay for my internet connection so i as long as im paying to view it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: crackle is sony's version of pretty much the same service
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: ...and you don't download the shows - you view the shows.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not paying the TV stations for your internet connection...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: It doesn't wake that way Dirk. Stop trolling.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: thats what makes it awesome :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I have a legal right to record the shows tho, as long as I don't sell or give them away :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler is agreeing with that The River Styx person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Thats not really true either, Styx
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you do...but downloading it from a website is distribution
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: No Dirk, Im not agreeing with you, you're still wrong.  Its illegal.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (and by "website", I'm including torrent or other method of distribution)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: you are all being a buncha pansies if you really think im doing something wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: by downloading the same shows i could watch from hulu
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we're not saying anything about right/wrong, merely legal/illegal
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Dirk.. You ARE doing something wrong. However the problem is not that you are - its that you're discussing it here.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Honestly, we couldn't really care less what you do, just don't try to encourage other people to engage in the same illegal activities...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: itunes ipad,need money to download every single song :(
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: That'll be true of pretty much every legal service.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: except the free songs, or any song you've already got
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: thats how it is.  sometimes they have specials
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: free songs?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll import all your CDs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: i dont find any
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, itunes has free songs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: or you can use www.thepiratebay.org which is LEGAL
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: where
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: and not have to pay
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I was listening to the free streaming of matchbox 20's new album that's about to come out
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Dirk.. its not legal. you need to stop.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: who are you dude
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I am me.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: regardless of who he is, its who is listening that you should worry about
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: spotify is free, you can't download the songs but if you don't mind ads you can create playlists by favoriting your fav songs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: a freakin Nazi is what it sounds like
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: or watching, as the case may be
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you can buy itunes credit from bestbuy for a 20% mark up
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and Lasher's been in a bad mood lately, might not want to push him into a decision as it might end up with a nochan.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: also pandora is pretty awesome.  I can hook that up on my tv and they have a free (have to listen to ads) membership
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: +1 for pandora.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Streaming from that right now
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dirk: aard policies are that we don't openly discuss illegal activities
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: I DONT THINK IM TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ILLEGAL
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: pandora is more universally compatible, you can use it on newer headunits and app electronics. i prefer spotify though
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've already been proven that that's not the case, dirk
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: they've had lawsuits and its legal
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Just because you don't understand the legality of what you're discussing doesn't make it legal.  Ignorance is no excuse.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dirk: not true, that's why they fled the country...
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: there is a fallacy in that statement you said Think.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you think they went to sweden for the weather?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: the hot blonds
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: boobs
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: More specifically dirk - its illegal in the US, where aard is based.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but yes, the website's existence is mostly legal...downloading music through the website's connections is not
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: the hot white chicks....thats enough for me to wanna go
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: do they have to be white to be hot?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: oh so now Aard wants to claim the USA....
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: didn't the swedes arrest the last guy who went fleeing to their supposed safe environs?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: as a black man, yes...they need to be hot white chicks for me 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: BAM! CHEST SHOT!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard defines legality as under US laws, yes...because aard is bound by US laws
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler enthusiastically high-fives Legendary Gruagach!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: lasher is a millionare playboy, he is bound by no human law
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: I dig that
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: highfive Lasher
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, if only that were the case, he prolly woulda had time to finish subclasses ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Maybe gru, but as a courtest to the country his mud is located in, he does oblige
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Courtesy
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's a working stiff like the rest of us
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: i think Dalaran is a nazi
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: id be careful around him
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: 911, I NEED CHANNEL POLICE
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: You work Abe?  Thats doubtful :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't matter what you think, dirk...aard's rules are what they are
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Oh? I've never met this Dalaran character.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all the time, styx :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No personal attacks, Dirkdiggler
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: works that pipe for money
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: only starling and rikki can pick on abe.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I think the Lebenese are after Daloran.  Something about some missing plutonium.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's why I spent so much time on my chatbot...too busy working to answer questions myself
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: you have a chatbot?  interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: maybe thats who im always agueing with :P
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You shouldn't argue with Abe.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Daloran.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I wonder if he has to sleep on the couch when Eureka realizes he left it on?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: not sure whats worse, arguing with a chatbot, or loosing an argument to a chatbot
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: nice trolling with ya guys but I gotta get some work done....lol I get paid to play mud *Grin
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You're really the only one who's going to suffer, dirk.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what's worse is arguing with your wife's chatbot.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You mud while pimping your mom on the street corner?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler rolls on the floor laughing at Starling's antics!
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: yea from my phone ...so?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: jk i got my laptop here in a hospital cua i gots me a real job :)
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: even when she's giving you the silent treatment she's still got a lot to say.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: yah most people with real jobs have time to play text based video games
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: no off to do your mothers bloodwork...maybe i'll make her test results says HIV pos
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HellSpawn Nasus Tech: (Channel Police) This is not Tech related
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: This.. seems to have moved far away from the intended purpose of this channel. Maybe you guys should take it to tells
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: awww....daloran is sleeping....so you didn't get to see me slap you
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: So, anyone tried the android XBMC port out yet?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: with Samsung getting slapped with a billion dollar fine, should I consider getting into android stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Why wouldn't you, hans?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Android will be fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: my understanding of the samsung stuff was mostly hardware related 
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: firstly, I don't think I qualify for a new phone just yet.  Secondly, phones are expensive whether I get a new contract or not.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: What does that have to do with avoiding android or not =p
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we saw the question as "if I get a new phone, should it be android or non-android", not "should I get a new phone soon?"
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I'd rather not leave RIM for another company that ends up in the same sort of troubles.
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: If you're happy with your bberry, stay with bberry
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: you still have a blackberry?
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: and ultimately.. the phone you get is what you get, regardless of what happens to the companies future products
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Not like some settlement will mean they take your phone and change it in to something else
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, and samsung doesn't have anything to do with google play, android apps, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yep, at the time I upgraded to smartphones (around the time the Iphone 4 was coming out), I disliked the android offerings and didn't want an iphone.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: does anybody know where to find the plugin that got your equipment out of bag by level?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: bast has one
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: i mean for mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I mean for mushclient too
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: sounds like that sort of thing would require a lot of setting up
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You'd be wrong, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have a script that gets things by level, and it requires absolutely no setup.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: should be easy in theory... download it, add the eqDB plugin and it takes care of adding it's dependencies
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frolo Tech: ok, i am specifically searching for a plugin that adds the command lget :)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: grep -R 'lget' * -> Bast/eqDB.xml
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: yes!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how to I add a pause in a MC alias
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Google for "mushclient delay"
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's not trivial, but doable.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Why would you need one anyway?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: What the heck did they do to Youtube's suggestion box to the right when you're playing videos? Does it no longer recommend related videos? 'Cause it's recommending me to watch clips from "The Big Bang Theory" and "White Collar" when I watch "Treasure Planet" clips.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Anyone knows if there's a way to stop the mud from sending a blank line after chat messages?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Compact setting
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But it'll compact everything
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right... yeah, that's kind of what I wanted
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Although if it only worked with chat would be better
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: not mudside way to do that... could write a trigger for it though.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'm gagging chat but my main screen keeps rolling up
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: maybe if I gag twice... will try
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: what client
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: tt++
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: aye, gag next line would handle it.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, you need to double your gag to not scroll it...it's something like #GAG 2
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that won't always work, as there aren't always blank lines separating channel messages.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: the mud always sends a blank line after a chat msg.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not always
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a safer method would be to have a second disabled trigger that catches the next line and gags it if blank and disables itself instantly
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I've got an action for chat tags, I can do that inside it
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: an 'if line is blank, gag it'
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: after gagging the chat line itself
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: be back in a min.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: #gag {^$} after the chat line gag worked
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hmm... just wait a minute
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: its gagging every blank line
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it has to disable itself
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 1-shot
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and it needs to disable itself if the next line is not blank too
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and it needs to process /before/ the chat gag line
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: do you have any idea how do I capture the next line's text to check if it's blank?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, if it's just a "gag a blank line", then if it doesn't disable itself if the next line is not blank, no real biggie, you'll just have a single smooshed line later...no loss of information at least
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Gagging twice is not working too
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: like "#line gag
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: then #line gag again
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: what client again?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: tt++
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: perhaps it might be easier to work the other way?  Match on the blank line and then check the previous line to see if it's a channel message?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: oh no wonder I dont know wtf your talking about
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: styx: basically zmud ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: then why is this so hard?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: good question
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: except it doesn't have #cond afaik, which would be the really easy way to do it in zmud :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: apon channel msg enable a trigger with pattern ^$ and a value of #GAG;disable trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: that will gag the next blank line and then disable itself
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: could even make that trigger recognize a non blank line and disable itself then too.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: forgot what disables... something like #T- triggername
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: to prevent unwanted line gags in case of missing blank line.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: if no blank line, at most you would have 1 unwanted line gag somewhere down the line, but it would always be a blank line
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: aye.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ok, that's exactly wht I'm coding now (the trigger thing)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: just a min.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: doesn't tt have predefined variables like %line2 (the previous line)?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I doubt it has.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I don't know... maybe
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: gotta dive deeper into the docs
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Phew... apparently, I managed it
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: thanks for the tips
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'll put my tt++ setup on github soon, in case anyone is interested
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you looked at ixle's tt++ setup?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: yeah, I'm based on that
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: did the blank line work?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: it did
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: good.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I moved the status prompt down to the tmux status bar and tweaked a few other things
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how can I send a command to the mapper via MC alias?  I'm trying to find a cheap way to get to Sendhia using "run 2s10e2n7e7n11e4n4e
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: send it to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mapper goto <vnum>, send it to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: run 2s10e2n7e7n11e4n4e; enter hole; mapper goto 33321; enter moonrift".  Send to Execute, it doesn't process the mapper statement.  (it didn't all past a sec ago)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you'd probably be better off using a mapper goto for the first run too, btw
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: running to Vidblain dumps you in a random area each time though
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: a random room, not area
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: but it's always vidblain.  which is why you need to runot a room id
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: that's not what i meant
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you can replace the run 2s10e2n7e7n11e4n4e with mapper goto 12345 (whatever the room number is of that room in mesolar)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, lemme try that
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: that run is a lot longer than using the labyrinth portal, for instance
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: using mapper goto will account for that
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I need to set a cexit in the "enter hole" room then
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: no :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you can't use a cexit there cause the destination room changes
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: cexit won't help you, because it always ends in different room
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yeah, run to will use portals if you're able.  mapper's pretty smart.  most of the time.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: but you can use the mapper to run to the room that you enter the hole in
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: then enter the hole the same way you're doing, then another mapper goto to get to sendhia
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: easiest would be to split it to two aliases: vidblain and sendhia
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Celanil has the right idea. Either get a portal into vidblain somewhere or you have to do two different gotos, or alternatively one goto that fails and one resume.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Or just skip all this nonsense and get a trivia portal to Sendhia
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: that's what I meant.  THe room in Mesolor that takes you to Vidblain.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the star trek portal is cheaper
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: too cheap for a portal  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: the star trek portal is Lem Dag now and isnt in vidblain.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you mean the one that doesn't go to vidblain, fiendish? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: and level lock the cexit if you already have one, so mapper reminds you if you try to run there directly
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: oh right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: imperial nation's cheaper and lower level anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Can use the portals to Imperial Nation or Darklight too, but they are somewhat higher level and would only be useful to higher tiers
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: and still not low enough for sendhia, no?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm a big fan of the mapper.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: it is for t8+
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Trivia portal is cheapo, and you can have a funny name!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cheapo is a relative term...
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok so setting cexits from recall to Sendhia set the route.  I created a MC alias to just goto the sendhia room and it works.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: why a cexit from recall? that limits your start point
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Cool, learning to rely on the mapper bot gimps your playstyle.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: to clarify, the cexits are 1) enter hole in the Mesolar room and 2) enter moonrift in Vidblain
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Starling, I believe you're right but for some of the harder to remember places, I'm making it as easy as I can
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: in the "mapper help" file, I can read and re-read the secont on NORECALL/NOPORTAL ROOOM ASSISTANCE and t just doesn't make sense to me.  can someone reword it maybe?  I just dont get what its for and how to use it.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: enter moonrift is ok, but I still can't understand how you made mapper to enter the the hole exit and then continue to enter the moonrift
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What are you trying to do?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: plus I'm an IT guy.  I write scripts for everything lol
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Cera: which lines?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I may not have needed the Mesolar to Vidblain cexit
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: Huan, goto the room where you are to enter the moon rift, then type this:  mapper cexit enter moonrift
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah, the mesolar to vidblain cexit can't possibly work
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I have 71 cexits atm
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I think I know how cexits work, I even made one for astral travels which is pretty nontrivial
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: this part...  "mapper portalrecall <index>    --> Flag/unflag a portal as using a recall or home command, to avoid using it in identified norecall rooms.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: cexits need a static destination room
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: it does take you to vidblain but randomly as expected.  I have my alias running to the room 2x so it gets there
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: so you just run the alias twice, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hmm...I suppose I could reword that slightly
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Huan, astral travels? You mean the Iridian thingie? How on earth?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: basically yes, Huan
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: fiendish I fully understand that I may be the only one who doesnt get that.  it might just be me.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Cera: norecall rooms will block attempts to use the "recall" or "home" commands. If you set any mapper portals that use (even indirectly) those commands you need to tell the mapper so that it knows to do something special in a norecall room
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no, I can see how the wording would be confusing
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: the wiki explains in a lot more detail, btw
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I still don't get how to add delays in an alias.  Even after reading the forum post.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: (fiendish's aardmush wiki, not the aard wiki)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: which forum post?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: so you're telling mapper which portals use "Recall"?  but no portal uses recall.. recall is a sepecial comand..
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Nick's post on the MC forums.  I googled mushclient alias delay
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: sure, you can mapper portal recall
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: I don't think you understand how many posts are covered by the description "Nick's post on the MC forums"
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: and mapper portal home
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/showfaq.php?faqid=69&productid=0
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: heh, I just today added mapper portal home
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: touche'  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: well, the home command is blocked by the norecall flag, not the noportal flag like normal handheld portals
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: so the mapper needs to handle it differently
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i added my clan portal, so I didn't enter jsut "recall" or word of recall
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: the mapper portalrecall command tells the mapper not to try to use that "portal" in a norecall room
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: so I need to mark "home" as a norecall portal
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ah
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: okay
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: basically, cexit has a "start" and an "end" room...anything which does not have both a "start" and an "end" room is a portal
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Daikojun> yes, the delay is the tricky part. Maybe with echo... mapper run <some_vidblain_vnum>;echo {continue sendhia}, then have trigger that matches the continue part and run the rest of the way
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Cera: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/GMCPmapper#Configuring_the_norecall/noportal_assistance
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ok Fiendish
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Huan: interesting take. 
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: more precisely, anything that doesn't have a start room is a portal
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you need a way to stack mapper command until you get to usable starting point
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: all portals of course have end rooms
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah, that echo trick would probably work
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: The mapper already uses echo->trigger automatically for the wait() feature
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: in cexits
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: so goto vs walkto.  walkto uses no portals?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: correct
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: walkto walks
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: useful for, for example, the inside of knossos
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: coded with common sense.  that's crazy!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i never added "enter" to my portal list!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you probably don't want to add enter, cause you could change what portal you're wearing
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I have enter for the aardwolf hotel, since I always wear the amulet
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yes, i permanetaly wear the amulet, all my others use a GPO alias which gets the portal, wears it, enters, then rewears the amulet
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I do a generic "use a portal" alias, which knows which is my portal slot portal, and use that for all portals including aard amulet
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how can I make helps pop up in a miniwindow?  I remember a command existed once
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hanali Celanil seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that way, if I were to use the tiger of kai for its dr like many do, my /amulet alias is still valid
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: that requires a plugin that is not included in the current aardwolf client package
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when my amulet is my main one, /amulet is just enter
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you may find it in the mushclient forums
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was in the pre-fiendish aardmush ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'll check
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't consider that plugin to be particularly useful since it doesn't include any text selection or color code abilities
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the color would be easily fixed, the text selection less so
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: maybe one day I'll really get around to genericizing the text selection and scrolling area from the communication log window that can be instantiated in any miniwindow
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (or if anyone is looking for something fun and useful to do, that would be it)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: here's the original list: http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/Aardwolf/
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You've lost me any time you do anything Miniwindowish!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rtek gacks with dismay!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, miniwindows don't bother me, but I don't like the styles stuff :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: styles are a real pain sometimes
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rtek Tech: who likes windows 8
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: using miniwindows is just like using html5 canvas
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i wouldnt mind a tiny one that keeps tracks and displays how many daily double mobs and bonus gold mobs I have left.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: of course, my definition of "miniwindows don't bother me" is really "I copy one of Fiendish's miniwindows plugins and rip out the trigs/aliases from it to shove in my own" ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: as opposed to all the daily blessings?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hey that's what I do too
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not going to rederive resizing every time
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I just use Bast's miniwin helper
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and omygod the scrolling and highlighting stuff in the communication log was a horror to get right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yeah, jsut a countdown of how many I have left, then goes away when gone.  comes back if my next daily get more
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: FiendiWindow?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cera: take a peek at my board output plugin...
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: change the "board" command to "daily" and you're pretty much there
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I avoid using any of Bast's infrastructure stuff. It has too many code layers that are quite difficult to introspect.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeap I get your different philosphies :)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rtek Tech: who has the samsung galaxy xcover
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I do applaud his motivation though to reuse base code
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: where do I find that?  (*typing whois Abelinc and Finger Abelinc
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the second one ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: okie dokie
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I put all the mushclient stuff at the very bottom of my script page, since I don't actually use it ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: The only time I wish it didn't have so many dependencies and files is when I go to reisntall
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: cool twitter account.  :p
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, I have another one where I post my qtargets & qcomplete times
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: Abelinc, your "Board" plugin broke my main window.  :p
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: commands are sill going though, but I'm not getting any output.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: I removed it.  problem goes away.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Why do URL's like youtu.be work?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they work because they're valid domains
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can't just stick a period anywhere, it's domain "youtu" in the .be TLD
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: does GMCP give dbl time left anywhere?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: so the only place to get it consistantly is via prompt?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i've suggested expanding comm.tick several times, but it hasn't been done :(
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you can easily build a timer for it, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: well, you could trigger on the double start message and count ticks
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tick better than prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ineffective, what if I log in during a dbl
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: prompt is good for human glancing, tick better for script
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: then you trigger on the double is currently running message that you get when you log in during a double
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you log in during a double, you don't need GMCP to tell you that double is on, you receive messages upon login
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: there are messages at login that tell you if double is running or not (and for what reason).  There's also the DOUBLE command.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: meh, GMCP would much easier
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: much easier than it already being shoved in your face....right
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: wonder if someone has a script running that is triggering everytime you type double in here.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: would be a rather strange script :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: one likely fixed very, very quickly.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you looked at bast's miniwin_double plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: me?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Im using cmud.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then rather than using it directly, you can look to see what it does
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although the more-useful one in that case is the broadcast_double one, as that's the info-gathering one
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could even have my twitter account text you whenever doubles starts }:>
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Ill just make it the only data in my prompt then gag it
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: check this badboy out https://www.dropbox.com/s/73ukdylzv6o7heb/AardStats.pkg?m
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: is there GMCP for tells waiting?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: has almost all my stuff in there, but the double stuff ties together both the global double and the DB double.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: no, but the tells themselves are sent in comm.channels
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't need to be, gmcp tells don't need to wait
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help telltags for info on tell behavior with catch on/off with tags & gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's my cmud package
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: wow, 120 mb hans? what's in it? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm guessing...everything
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: biggest package file i've ever had was around 5 mb :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, all my scripts and settings are 640k
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, all the stats stuff.  I've a 20" monitor, and the window for that package stretches from top to bottom.  The top 40% is for the "always" stats such as gmcp.char.base, stats, status, etc as well asuseful to know but probably not all that important stuff like wishes and other sinks and resists.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can't imagine having 120MB worth of anything aardwolf related
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: log files lol
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: it's probably a ton of deleted stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: cmud doesn't automatically vacuum package files
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, my logfiles are considerably larger, but they're not required to duplicate my environment
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: below all that, I've got a "panel" to display more relative stuff with a panel-list set of links (also always shown) below it.  For example, voting and DB awards are on one panel, another is dedicated to quests, a third to campaigns, one for gquests, and so forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm at 112mb but i have the .WAV files for sound effects in there.  Need to dump 90% of them
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah, i've seen a screenshot of your layout :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I still don't see what takes up that much space
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if you've ever used the scripts from the link in Dokkar's finger (the link likely doesn't work anymore), it's effectively all of that plus even more all in one file.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ya, even a map file should only be about 30mb
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: probably needs to be corruption-cleaned (long time since done) and vacuumed (never).
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't care what scripts are in there. 120 MB is ridiculous for scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a sqlite file, so much of that is growth without recycling, prolly what they mean by vaccuuming
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: still
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so prolly mostly comes down to cmud using inefficient defaults for the db, and lots of temp variable storage
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: and that's all variables too, don't forget
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i have some really big database variables
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (it shrinks to 126MB after downloading. I find that pretty funny)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: er, grows
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: (but anyway)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ahahaha
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, opened it up in database browser, saved it...1k...I MUST be missing something there :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: running vacuum on it drops to 1.6MB
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: heh, smaller than mine :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, I told you I never vacuumed it.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all the mistakes, rearranges, and rewrites add up after a few years.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops, I was messing up my save, that copy had nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Anyone know where I could pick up a free version of Microsoft Works...the latest possible version for free. Wondering if there is any other option than a torrent. Or a way to open up WPS files in Open Office. I know there is a conventor for WPS files for Microsoft Office but haven't seen one for OpenOffice.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: have you tried opening it in skydrive?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: get libre office
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: unless its confindential just send it to someone who has office?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: you can get a trial version from the official site, but I doubt you'll find a free version
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Hmm..libre office can open wps files?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: and is it free?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: libre office is like the linux equivalent of microsoft office, and there is a version that runs on windows
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: microsoft does have free versions of viewer apps for office products
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Thanks guys I apperciate all the help!
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: yeah, if you have any outdated trial you can "view" stuff also
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: libre office is just an offshoot of openoffice
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: libre is way cooler
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: PC with no ram should beep a code, right? assuming everything else is okay
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: depends on the board, i think
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ahhhh. fair. Well.. any suggestions on how to diagnose between a dead cpu and motherboard? given the two will probably be replaced together anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Backup cpu.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elkore Tech: move the cpu to another working system, or use a known working cpu on the suspected faulty motherboard
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: i suggest reading the documentation for the board. it will talk about the beep codes, if any are built in
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Neither is an option, given my parts available. And the problem is no beep codes of any sort
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: does the cpu fan spin up?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: yeah. System powers on - fans spin up. However, DVDs won't eject, and after power on, it won't turn back off without switching the psu off or unplugging it
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: already swapped PSU, Ram... everything else is disconnected
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: even after holding the power button for 30 seconds?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: 30 seconds? I thought it was shorter... but i will attempt now.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: make sure the ram is well fit in the slot... it happened to me multiple times
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: try swapping if you've got multiple rams, even try turning with only one or the other
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: turning on*
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: 40 seconds holding down power switch, still no change
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: And yeah.. i've swapped the ram.. removed it.. swapped for known good from another system
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hm.. :/
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I'm feeling like motherboard.. but I just don't have the knowledge on how to eliminate/confirm it short of replacing
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: well shoort of swapping the cpu with a known working one or swapping the board for a working one, i'm not aware of any tricks.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ahhhh gotcha.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: thats a pain
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Well, thanks for the help.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: have you taken the board out and physically looked it over for failed components? ie blown capacitors, evidence of something shorting out...
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: No, fates. its still in the case.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: everything topside looks fine though
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: MUSHClient: How can I make new window with clickable cmds like consider , task here , etc. That would be nice. Some1 must have done it allready
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: MXP, i think is what you're looking for
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: unless thats zmud only?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: it's not, but i don't think you need it to make buttons in miniwindows
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: Functionality is allrdy there in Bigmap
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hm, has anyone else noticed the hidden 'game' Youtube has?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: When the video is being slow to load and the dotted circle thing is circling, you can press an arrow key and send it off in a direction as a 'snake'.  A flashing dot appears elsewhere in the video field, if you capture it your 'snake' gets longer.  You lose if the snake contacts the edge of the field or itself.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: holy cow, no way
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: hahaa :D
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you mean it's snake :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i think everyone knows how to play :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I just noticed it as a hidden feature of Youtube, or rather I guess, flash video. *shrug*
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Man, that is tremendous.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: youtube is google, so i'm not surprised :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: they have lots of easter eggs if you search for certain things
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Anyway, I thought it was a neat thing, but for all I know I might be the last person on the planet to notice it :)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: anyone familiar with winkles questing ad on
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: just ask your question, don't ask if people are on
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: if someone is, they'll answer
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: i asked is anyone was on who knew winkles quest plug in?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: not if anyone was on
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: and i said just ask the question
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: i installed it but it never populates the rooms
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: even if someone familiar with winkle's quest plugin is on, they can't answer your question because you haven't asked it
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: the seek and destroy triple plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: and you don't have to be as obtuse as you are being
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: but he knows more than us, thats why he's asking for help
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: if I knew more, I wouldn't be asking for help
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: how do I turn coordinates on in Mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: coords
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: anyone else have an issue where MUSHclient.exe doesn't end its task?  Running Win7 64
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: seems to be tied to the sqlite file
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what are you doing?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: watching you think
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hey Cheezburger
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'm using (a modified version of) your tt++ scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: just wanted to say tks and good job
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: When I quit (disconnect) and close the client, I still see the EXE in Task Manager.  When I copy the client folder, it says the sqlite file is still in use.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: its pretty cool :)
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what plugins are you using?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: can anyone recommend a windows based viewer for an sqlite.db file?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there's a firefox plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: even better... thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: SQLite Manager :: Add-ons for Firefox?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: do you absolutely need it within a browser?  There's a free sqlite db app called SQLite Expert that is as slick as a paid-for product.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I just like having something that doesn't suck that works in linux
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sqlitebrowser has been out of development for a long time
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: unless you are in the field professionally or are so db-tech-savvy that you're doing tons of stuff not normally available in free products, SQLite Expert is going to be way more functionality than you will likely need, so why not go for the best?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you sound like you're selling me something
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, it's free for home use.  You buyin'?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Sounded like he had a brooklyn bridge for sale
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not equals in lua is ~=, right? i'm not losing my mind?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yep.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why the hell isn't this working then? :P thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in CMud?
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes, but i don't see why that matters
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Doesn't matter what client, Hans. In Lua, not equal is ~=
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, which really sux cuz tinyfugue uses =~ for string equality, and !~ for string inequality :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: strange :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: perhaps  is being misinterpreted.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I doubt it, since I use it all the time.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i doubt it, it's not parsing as zscript
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: However, Myrkul, if you're trying to do parameters from CMUD, like if zs.param(1) ~= nil, it won't work.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can also use the "not" keyword
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You'll have to use: if zs.param(1) ~= "" then
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'm not
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fixed it, i was trying to concatenate a boolean :P
T3/r7/2012-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You can set mobhits color with colorset, does that == playerhits or is there a way to change that?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Are you talking about players hitting you?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yes
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mobhits actually includes all pvp hits.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, all pvp/pve hits.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Any reason not to have a separate playerhits colorset option?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't really see much benefit...you already get the notice that a player has attacked you, so it's not like you'd need the other color to realize you've been jumped...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's basically a "your hits" vs "enemy hits"
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Because 1 line of text is the same as multiple lines in a different color say bright red?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I'm just saying, it seems worthwhile to me, as worthwhile as many of the other options so I see plenty of benefit.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, when I'm attacked by a player, I throw up a huge-ass PK sign in my face
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which damage is coming from whom isn't generally actionable
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I haven't been in the offensive end of a raid, but would it not be nice to see the damage from mobs/players in diff colors?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to what end?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: And maybe we're nuts, but me and the other 2 people in my group seemed to think it would be worthwhile. So is there a good reason *not* to do it?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the important thing is to know that you've just gone from only fighting guards to also fighting a person...and you already get that
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the other 2 people in your group are attacking you?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: No, I'm just saying I'm not alone in thinking it could be worthwhile.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lots of people think lots of things could be worthwhile, often because they think that it's better to throw the kitchen sink at things even if they don't know what they'd do with the data :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: rough.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've been asked professionally to grab all sorts of statistics which I wasate hours preparing and which are never used for anything whatsoever ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Paying your dues, Abelinc, I believe that's what it's called. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nah, just working for irrational people at the moment }:>
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sit like a Trurien comforts you. 
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: many irrationallity.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: There are a *lot* of colorsets, most of which serve no purpose other than to distinguish one line of text from another. Doing so with pvp hits would serve the same purpose.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you say
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Did you ever offer a good reason not to do it?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I fail to see the real use, other than "would be neat"...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Or just criticize the usefulness of it?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: same reason as the reason not to do absolutely anything
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it always comes down to cost/benefit...the usefulness is half of that equation
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Do you fail to see the real use in the colorset mobhits too?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I see the real use in your team vs enemy hits
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I honestly didn't think I'd have to produce such a level of proof for adding another colorset option, heh.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Since the "cost" is not that great.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: damage dealt vs damage taken is not anywhere near the same plane as damage taken from guy1 vs damage taken from guy2
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it isn't?!?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: So, to summarize, you see no use for it, however the fact that I see a use in it means nothing. So it's a bad idea?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: that's why homeless people yell at inanimate objects.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to summarize: I don't see a use for it, you think that you see a use for it, but it's a use for which you're inexperienced and don't know that it would actually be useful...therefore, my personal opinion is that it's a waste of resources vs other changes to be made
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: whether it's a "bad idea" or not is irrelevant to any of my statements
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are thousands of "good ideas" which will never see the light of day
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Why do I need to prove that it's any more useful than the other colorset options for it to pass your threshold of non-disapproval?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why are you so worried about his disapproval?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the other colorset options have nothing to do with it
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: He doesn't say what goes here. Lasher does.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they're already coded, they don't cost the same resources
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Because I like push trees over Etzli.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when I speak of "resources" and "cost", I'm not referring to server resources for which I agree it would be negligible...Lasher's coding time is an extremely limited resource...and for me, I'd rather he not waste the time on this...but that's my sole personal opinion...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: He's one of hundreds of people here.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: He's the only one disagreeing atm and I wanted to vet the idea before I posted it.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Well, we can agree it shouldn't be a very high priority.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what do you think you'll do with the information? what circumstances would it fall under? I assure you, I'm very often attacked while I'm fighting MOBs (on nearly a daily basis), and it would absolutely not make a whit of difference in what I see/doo or help me notice any quicker
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Is that rhetorical? I'll do the same thing I do with other lines of text in particular colors, read them and react...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Noticing a split second earlier is a benefit. You say you have gotten around that with client settings and that's fine, but that isn't a reason to not do it.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's not rhetorical in the least...I think you're forgetting about the text that you get (and can react to) even before that
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: As I said earlier, 1 line of bold white text isn't quite the same.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you get text before you see damage, telling you of the player
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Abelinc, what I think Ixle is saying is that is one tiny line in a sea of output.  Not all players have clients (or have setup their clients) to make loud noises or display big warnings.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as has been established, you don't need my blessing to submit ideas :)
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It isn't terribly difficult to do so, but I can still see the appeal of having different colors for playerhits versus mobhits.  The distinction is already made for a number of other colorset options, so it's not entirely unreasonable to want it for hits as well.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Jhav nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'll post the same reservations in response to the note, though
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: a) that similar benefit can be gained from clients, and b) it requires some amount of coding?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I understand the reservations correctly?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and c) it isn't actually as useful as you think it will be
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That sure assumes a lot...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: maybe so...claiming that I'm assuming a lot doesn't change my position, however
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: In the amount of time/text we've spent debating it, it could've been implemented :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (1) in your opinion, and (2) the time we've spent discussing it hasn't replaced the time spent coding other, more fun stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: now there's a lot of assumption :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle nods at Ozzy.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i meant you Ixle
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I know
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: It was a silly statement, on purpose.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You've made me wonder, is Lasher the only one who writes code for Aard?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: currently, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I was under some sort of assumption that it was a team.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That does bring the time constraints on doing *anything* into a bit sharper focus.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there have been sandbox coding projects by other IMMs, but for the past few years the only ones I can think of offhand are various games
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like mafia, poker, blackjack
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Interesting, I figured smaller stuff would get delegated to other coders and pushed to test port. Is this done for security?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that being said, he has put tons more of the game into the lua engine, which can allow for further delegation as non-C-based code
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: security, stability, simple ownership
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: is it possible to make an alias/script that opens up firefox/ie and votes for you?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: know if there is one available?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: how do I get the stats off my prompt?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: The in-game prompt?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: help prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: h statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Oh those
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mute the sound (there is an infomercial on tv), but zmud, aardwolf, xbox 360 controller :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiiuyefA6g0
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: when I install WinkleWinkle_Extender_GUI_2.xml it puts the window at the top of the screen under the world bar in the mush client, I can't move it or minimize it?  any ideas?  I have tried to reinstall the plugin but it keeps putting it there
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think "xm reset" did something. Maybe.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Ahhh
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: that was it Cizra, thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rykor Tech: odd question... i need a subnet CIDR for a range minus one ip.  for example i need 10.100.0.0 through 10.100.0.44.  is that even possible or am i bound by the given octets?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rykor starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: You're not bound by octets, you're bound by bits.  And that's not a bit boundary.  Can't be a single block.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: brain melting.  oozing perl code
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yay, looks like NVIDIA might release some new Linux drivers with Optimus support. Bout time.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: If you have a product key for W7 or XP can you download the ISO off of the microsoft website directly?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why not go look?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: I've looked and haven't been able to find anything like that so wasn't sure if anyone else had any luck finding it.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: btw, there is always xp iso's on torrent
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: in php, i have an array, can i sort it easily with the 2nd value from each line? i get the data for the array from a txt file with lines like: 1|A|B|C ... want to sort by "A"
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I don't think any language has a built-in function for that.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There might be a native way to do it, but I tend to just reinvent the wheel and bubble sort my way through with a while loop and if/then
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why bubble, as opposed to binary?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: binary's way faster than bubble.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Because I am a creature of habit, and I can bubble by memory, whereas binary I have to look it up :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "binary sort" is not a thing
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If I was ever to be sorting more than say 100 things I'd be inclined to do so, but I rarely find myself doing that
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: right now... $rankdata = @file($filedata);  then i sort($filedata);  ... but that sorts by the 1st field
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Ozzy: many languages have sort functions that accept arbitrary comparison operators as input
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Binary search is probs what he was thinking
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i don't forsee the file ever having over 100 lines
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I think it refers to tree sorting? At least that's what I took it to mean
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Oh that big, Ozzy - gotta do it assembly!!!
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the file looks like: 5|D|E|F\n1|A|B|C\n2|B|C|D\n
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: nope, a binary sort is a method of sorting that essentially allows you to only have to sort half the list.  Bubble sorts (and I believe there's a third sort method usually taught?) tend to force you to sort more than half the list.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Wow, you just sent new lines to my client over tech
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That could be used to sure spoof some stuff...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: better fix your client then :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "sort half of the list" is not a phrase that makes sense
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no doubt\nYou died!!! :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it means "by the time you get through half the elements in the list, the other half is already sorted"
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: less iterations in your sort loop.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the fastest sorts must look at every element at least once. there is no way to sort only half of the items.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: was hoping one of the asort, rsort, ksort, or similar was already in php :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: why are you using php?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's a web page
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: why wouldnt i :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, that sounds more like an insertion sort than a tree sort
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I mean...there is obviously *a way* to only look at half of the list. Just not while sorting the whole thing.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: is there a way to make elf hide/sneak automatically recast after combat?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: With a trigger very easy.  What client Sean
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: mush client
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I think he means each iteration looks at 2 elements - so number of iterations is #/2 - that said, it still looks at every element at least once
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: ozzy, check out the usort function
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: ozzy, what about uasort? just write a small function to look at the second |-piece of the string instead of the first?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Take a look at this: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Triggers and ask here if you need help SeanJac.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Might trigger off exp or something
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I would just finger Bast and grab his spellup plugin - works like a dream
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Or you can just download a spellup plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah what Vakieh says!
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: try triggering on the exp award message (don't think there's a standard "it died!" line, and matching on all of them is more work).  You could probably then check the gmcp state field to see if you are still in combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: i'm already using winkle autospellup, should i remove that then install bast?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I'd ask on how to add it to Winkle's first.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: cant add it into winkles?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Winkles sounded like it was pretty decent, even allows clan spells
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I tried to find a common line to trigger my skin command - proved more difficult than I first thought.  I should REALLY learn myself some gmcp status messages
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: my autoskin script uses the exp line :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But then if you have double or triple exp?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Link Celanil :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: i don't know how to program. i tried "spellup help" only clan spell can be added.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: heh, one sec
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: disable it when it fires.  There should be another common line to turn it back on.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you want it for mush, i assume?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: My short skinning career... tried to automate at the start. Ended up just killing the whole room, spamming skin. And keeping an eye out for any skins that hit 4 different stats.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: yes please.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ehh - I mean I use mush, but more just want to see what it entails
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, I have an alias 'skin #' which skins as many numbers as I enter - what I need is something which triggers off GMCP, does a glance, records nomber of corpses, and skins the correct # - lot of work during exam...well more like month than week really
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: need to figure out which is the latest mush version... :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in ZMud and CMud, though, I'd never have to worry about that because I could just build a multi-state trigger with at least two states.  As long as that second state is active, the first state would never fire a second time.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: to figure out?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: A trigger here and there for a few things is helpful. Honestly though to much automation just slows you down in a lot of cases.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i use cmud, fiendish, just ported it to mush for a clannie
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I actually converted Winkle's spellup script to CMUD. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Can be done in Mush as well, just need 2 triggers, one enabling the other
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: and i think i actually made some changes to it directly on his computer
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: two separate triggers enabling/disabling probably still has timing issues in Mush (same as in CMud doing the same thing, since trigger execution is sequential rather than parallel in CMud).
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Timing? Mush is single thread?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mushclient is single threaded. two triggers do not have timing issues because you can specify execution order
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Exactly - each start at 100, can order above or below that.  I thought he meant timing as in threadsafe
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: triggers (and aliases) in CMud are all single-thread, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: hi i tried to make a trigger with "You are no longer hidden" and then Send "Hide", but it does not seem to work. if i go into combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: do they have settable execution ordering?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you can't send hide in combat
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how can i send it so that it sends after combat?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: send it after combat
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: magic and pixie dust
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: sorry, this is my first try at this.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the easiest way to detect for out-of-combat is to look up the variable containing the gmcp.char.status.state value (or pos, it's whichever one is numeric).  8 for fighting, not 8 (3, 4, 5, 11, etc) for out of combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the only potential issue there is that you might flip to 3 after you kill one mob and go to the next on the next pulse.  I don't remember if that was changed or not.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i still use statmon in zmud ... You are Standing :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well zmud doesn't have gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: sorta... i got proxymud, just havent converted all yet
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: sleeping, in combat, active, etc..
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not natively, you can prozy through duckbot to get it.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: if you're fighting more than one mob at once, you engage the next one immediately after it dies
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: state doesn't change to 3 in the middle
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: didn't it used to?  Which let to some autoassist or somesuch goofiness?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i think what you're thinking of is if you kill a mob in one pulse, state never changes to 8 and back
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, that's separate.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: ah, before autoassist was rewritten it was possible to be out of combat for a second or two when grouping, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: great for throwing backstabs over shoulders
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Still can in a group, if there are agros and none agros and nobody have charge ><
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i meant between mobs
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yes, I was asking about when soloing.  I had thought it was doing the same type of thing if you had multiple mobs.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: it's never happened while soloing, afaik
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: solo you have rollover damage
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there did used to be a thing when solo, before the rollover damage
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i think im gonna have to do some magic on my array before getting it sorted... print_r shows: Array ([0] => Bob|Intern|33| [1] => John|Supervisor|56| [2] => Jane|Associate|22|) 
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i need to get it sorted by field 2... Intern, Supervisor, Associate
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: just write a function that compares two elements and use usort
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: wish i were that smart :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i need some kind of sort that uses a regex pattern to sort by... that would work
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: don't really need a regex, ozzy... off the top of my head, it would look something like function sortitems($a, $b) {return strcmp(explode("|", $a)[1], $item2 = explode("|", $b)[1]);} 
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: then just call usort($myarray, "sortitems")
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: oops, forgot a variable assignment in there :P function sortitems($a, $b) {return strcmp(explode("|", $a)[1], explode("|", $b)[1]);}
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hanali Celanil sighs.
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: and ignore the colors :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ill work with that.. thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: hrm... strcmp(explode("|", $a)[1] ... should those be strcmp(explode("|", $a[1])  ?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: function as you gave white screens on page load
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: You're missing a )
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: explode("|", $a) will split the variable into an array on the | character
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: explode("|", $a)[1] is the second item of that array (your intern, etc column)
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: there is more to the line that Celanil know Ped
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the funtion as you gave does nothing on page load... white screens
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no errors or anything
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: well, are you printing anything?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you can do something like print_r($myarray) after you sort it, just to test if it worked
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: print_r ($data); after usort($data, "sortitems");
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hanali Celanil goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: does print_r($data) print anything before trying to sort?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: even removing the usort line gives blank screen... commenting out the funtion as well prints the unsorted arrat
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: array*
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's like if the funtion was missing a ; or () or something
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah, i just read it again... i don't see a glaring error...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if changed to: return strcmp(explode("|", $a[1]), $item2 = explode("|", $b[1]));
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i get Notice: Array to string conversion
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah, that was a mistake :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i had been doing it in 3 steps
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: with: return strcmp(explode("|", $a[1]), $item2 = explode("|", $b[1])); i get nada.. just blank page
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: erm...
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: with: return strcmp(explode("|", $a)[1], $item2 = explode("|", $b)[1]); i get nada.. just blank page
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: i was writing it like this at first: $item1 = explode("|", $a)[1]; $item2 = explode("|", $b)[1]; return strcmp($item1, $item2);
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: you can try that, but it shouldn't make a difference
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how do you make a trigger that makes you rearm your weapon after a disarm?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that also returns blank page
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: PHP Version 5.2.17 if that makes any diff
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if i comment out the function and usort, it prints the unsorted arra
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it appears to barf on the explode("|", $a)[1]
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mabe explode 1st to $a then call $a[1] ?
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: worth a shot, i'd be surprised if that's it though
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: or rather, i'd be surprised if you can't get array items directly from a function return
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that worked....
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but i need to sort via a "rank" instead of alphabetical :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: ah :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like in claninfo seekers
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: well, you have $item1 and $item2... return -1 if $item1 is less than $item2, 0 if they're equal, 1 if $item1 is greater than $item2
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: stu,exp,tea,sag,wiz,eld,mas/mis
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: needa sort the array against a 2nd array i guess? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: using another array as an index or somethng
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: this is going WAY over my head :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: maybe ill just sort by total levels....
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: $ranks = array("Student"=>1, "Explorer"=>2, "Teacher"=>3, "Sage"=>4, "Wizard"=>5, "Elder"=>6, "Master"=>7, "Mistress"=>7);
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: $item2 = $item2[2]; instead of $item2 = $item2[1]; :P
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: then $rank1 = $ranks[$item1]; $rank2 = $ranks[$item2];
T3/r7/2012-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: then if ($rank1 == $rank2) return 0; return ($rank1 < $rank2) ? -1 : 1;
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: just made a new version of your paste :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: closed page.. addy?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: http://pastebin.com/U1g1cwtQ
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're using the sortitems as a success callback for the usort, correct?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: wheee... now i just need to reverse the ranks order... Student=7 Master/Mistress=1 :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: tht worked flawlessly
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy bows before Hanali Celanil.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: yes, cheez
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: K, been a while with PHP and not sure of what usort does, so was trying to gleen the purpose based on context
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: nod, it sorts with a user-defined comparison function
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: (from w3schools :P)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Heh, I didn't google it I just opened the link and that was the only line that didn't immediately click :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: hope 1tp was enough :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: helping the lazy has perks i guess :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: heh, thanks :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Teach a man to fish :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Or just give him several tps to spend on fish :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: she did... i have an example now... i can re-use it over and over :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: set your own manually
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Manually shift my own gears? That's no fun
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: 8.8.8.8:53, 8.8.4.4:53, 4.2.2.4:53 ... google, google and who?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: public DNS, level 3
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i forgot i used that one :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: belonging to verizon/gte
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: changed to google's a while back,, Charter started hijacking me
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't need to specify the :53 tho, that's like specifying 80 for websites ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's just how my Asus RT-N16 with Tomato lists em
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: i tried to make trigger field : "*/*hp *" send field: "if %1 < 100 then ColourNote ("white", "red", "Warning! - health is low") end -- if" but it does not work. send to world
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Send to script
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: anytime you lua, "send to script"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: err use
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: ok.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how do i test if it works? i can't see where i can get the window "Debug simulated world input"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: try echo?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: use echo
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: game->test trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: echo 99/1000hp blah
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: also, i'd use a percentage of hp, not just 100
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: also, don't be surprised if it complains if you don't use tonumber("%1").
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: when you have thousands of hp, you'll probably want that warning long before you hit 100
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and possibly several different percent checks depending on current_level... a heal potion does a MUCH higher % at level 60 then 200
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: ok :) just trying fun with triggers, it's giving me a headache though, no fun at all :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i love how simple scripts snowball :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: one trigger turns into tens of lines of code :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: heh, especially when you share them with people, and they all want new features added :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i aint organized enough to share... i reuse too may things between scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: stuff that works for me would take forever to make universal
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how do i make myself drink a heal pot when that condition is met?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: Send("quaff heal potion")
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: careful with that trigger... if you accedentally afk without afk in an aggo room... you could bot
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: might want to add some kind of "if manually targeted" on death quaff thing
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: k mob... dead... quaff, but aggroed... dead... no quaff
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and also a "did i quaff yet" setting
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Also, at some point (probably fairly often), it's going to make you quaff multiple potions
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods at Ozzy.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you might see your health % 10 times before you quaff once
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's a snowball script for sure :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: that's why you add a delay between quaffs
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how do you add a delay
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i just use targeted_kill=yes in my k alias, and on death set to "no"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah mine ended up like 50 lines... lost it and don't feel like making it again :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and on quaff... quaffed_heal = no, then when i see me quaff... "yes"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: well mine was sloppy, after quaff i'd set condition to like 5... then 4 etc till it got to 0, then quaff again
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: if needed
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: but i know you can use timers to make delays
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: did that for when i get stunned
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: can i edit winkle's autospellup script in notepad and add 2 more clanskill to it for Hide and Sneak?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You don't need to.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: it automatically does hide/sneak.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Doink snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: it does not when it's a natural ability.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: tech practice them if you can, then maybe it will pick them up. They are racial
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Doink.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: I think his script runs off spells that are practives to at least %
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how does one check if one is still in combat for triggers?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YOU GOT A! Wittle Tech: anyone know where I can get rove client
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=rove+client
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}YOU GOT A! Wittle Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir goes: "No Problem!"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: How do I figure out what version of mush client I have?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: ask it ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: click help about
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: er sorry I mean - what package..? i have
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: as in snapshot r1667 is the nwest update for the client
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shlic Tech: hi if i have newval = tonumber(wildcards[1]), should i make newval2 = tonumber(wildcards[2]) or newval2 = tonumber(wildcards[1]) ?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shlic Tech: it's inside a function
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: what are you trying to capture?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shlic Tech: value for three different spell serial numbers given by the script user.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: one of those will make 2 variables with different names but the same value the other two different variables
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: i wouldn't convert tonumber on defining personally would do it on calling the variable
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shlic Tech: ok thanks. so i should make newval1 = tonumber(wildcards[1]), newval2 = tonumber(wildcards[2]), newval3 = tonumber(wildcards[3]) -> to capture 3 different spell numbers?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: yeah that should work if your scripting is right i'm bit drunk to proof read
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shlic Tech: ok thanks :) was just adding some variables to winkle's autospellup script so that it can hold 3 clanskills, the other 2 are for my natural elven ability of Hide and Sneak.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: So apparently checking the path length from recall to all rooms in a db is a long, long process...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Actually only if you do it one-by-one.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Shame it's not multithreadable, I have 1 core (well, they're swapping) going crazy, and 3 lazy cores
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: For example, the Dijkstra algorithm for finding the shortest path from A to B finds ALL shortest paths until it hits B.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: So just implement the algorithm yourself. It's extremely well documented and not very hard with.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: .. with a language as nice as Lua.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, dijkstra directly in SQL is god-awful slow, dijkstra in a language just getting its data from SQL is reasonable speed
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: How would that compare to what looks like some sort of sweep algorithm in the Mush find path function?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's probably the same thing
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I thought it looked quite similar to the wiki on dijkstra
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm just piggybacking on the existing find path, atm
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chosig Tech: Is there a speed difference between Dijkstra and A*? (I suck at math, so I don't have a clue)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes there's a speed difference
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I think A* is not exact?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is faster (as is usually the case when choosing algorithms) is a resounding "depends"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It also seems I've either got a bug in there somewhere, or Mush gives up on noting ro redrawing once it hits a certain load
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ro = or
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mush's mapper has a variable to only search xx rooms deep
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: iirc it's set to 100 by default
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah, I think I modified mine to 300 already... perhaps I should have undone that before I ran this :-P Oh well
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you just iterating through roomnumbers 1-x calculating paths?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really sure the goal of printing path length from recall to all other rooms
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: That's one of the worst algorithms I can imagine...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: precalculating paths to change from findpath to simple table lookup I can understand, tho
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Well, the goal is eventually to have it rank all areas by longest path from recall, for trivia portal destination recommendations
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The table would be rather largish.. Not that it matters.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Owait
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Then you can just calculate the paths to the FIRST ROOM of areas!
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, 30k paths vs 250 is a pretty big difference
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I thought of that, and if this proves to take longer than another few minutes I probably will - as it stands it works universally for multiple entry possibilities, however
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Like Underdark, Gwil, or if I have a chaos portal to the area
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and to calculate for triv portal purposes, you'd want to then input a hypothesized triv portal and then start this process over again, since you want a portal that will shorten multiple paths, not just the single longest one
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Indeed - the hub destinations are a limitation as is
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I would just go to the area, add a mapper portal like I just bought one, and rerun
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The only other limitation I can see is lower levelled areas being serviced by higher level portals
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But that is just getting annoying at that point :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You could add cexit level locks.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The level locks are already there - but results will change depending on whether the listing is run at level 1 or 201
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, but your LISTING might have level locks. Run the generation just below the level lock again.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What do you mean? If I have a 100 portal close to a 50 area, the results of the listing will be valid at level 99, but invalid at level 100
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Run listing with level 201. Notice that there is a level 100 lock/portal. Save results with level 100. re-run listing with level 99, retain all distinct results.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But what it will eventually output is simply a list of all areas, descending based on minimum speedwalk length - the invalid result will be hidden somewhere in the pack
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: This stuff has to be parametrized by level
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Well, the plan I had come up with was to run it at level 1, look at the top entry - run it again at the minimum level of the area and see if it changes
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Bugger...issue now is to compile a list of first rooms...my runto plugin does it on the fly for the most part
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: S&D xset mark room?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I don't use SnD :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I could go write a list by hand, but I really want this to run itself if at all possible...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: does anybody use bast's autospellup? does it autospellup clanskill and natural abilities?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A cute Yulian Tech: Make an alias for it instead, using the spellup commands :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: natural abilities don't need spelling up because they are natural
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: hide needs to be recast after combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: this new nvidia driver
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I try to lower sound for example with the fn keys
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it minimizes my game
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why would that be
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so has anyone else played Aardwolf console style? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zquxG_wP54Y
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: that's cool  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: now i need to get it on the tv machine in the livingroom :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: play in the picture in picture
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my laptop has HDMI so I play on my TV at times.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I haven't tried playing aard via HDMI yet though
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: my tv is a computer... mythtv box
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: good stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: trying to log on to battle.net, but it just sits at the loading screen... anyone else seeing this?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nvidia drivers cause stuff to minimize, any thoughts why that might be
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Argetlam Tech: Opochtli, i have a question about your sharptracker script.  i am getting an error saying "[string "Alias: "]:66: bad argument #1 to 'upper' (string expected, got nil)."  Would you be able to tell me what's wrong and how I can fix it?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: Where is the actual mapper file held? My HD crashed and now I'm scrambling to see if I placed it somewhere.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: Mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: Yeah!
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: it's the aardwolf.db file in the root of the mush folder.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: okay thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: I love r-studio
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: How I'm trying to get mush to read mt into - mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: How do I get it to work in an alias?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: It's been so long since I used mush ._.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: match: "mt into", send: "mapper thisroom" send to: execute
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: there we go thanks so much ^^
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just "mt", methinks...the "into" was describing what he wants "mt" to transform into
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you go to Fiendish's site, click on mushclient, the wiki, included plugins, featured plugins, gmcp driven mapper...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a link off that page to Hosch's tips for the mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MiniMeanie Waffles Tech: okay cool I'll give that a read. It's been like 8 months I think. I completely forgot everything!
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the very first tip is aliasing mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: how do you make multi line triggers where any of the lines you highlighted would trigger it? how do i put OR?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make several triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or you can do | in a regex... depends on what exactly you need
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: if i make many triggers it triggers multiple times if that line pops up, i want it so that any one of the three lines would trigger it.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: why would they match multiple times, if each of them matches on different line?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you should give example, it might be easier to do
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: i want to be able to cast hide after every combat, i make a trigger that triggers on when i receive gold. i make another for if i receive an item and i make another for when i get taxed by my clan, but when combat ends, hide is being cast 3 times.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: ... why do you need 3 triggers?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: seriously.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: just trigger it off the one?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Wow...umm, ever consider just triggering on when, say, combat ends (via GMCP)?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: i want it so that any of the three premise would trigger and make me cast hide.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: i'd look at basts broadcast_kills to detect end of combat
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: what client are you using?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: multiline trigger won't help you here
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Weird Lil' Salvanas is agreeing with that Huan person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: mush. 
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: If you're going to be triggering off of those 3 events, then you're going to hide 3 (or more) times after each combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not if the each trigger checks if the other triggers have triggered :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but it's gay aproach
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: trez> within certain time limit
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: what do i put on the trigger field to detect end of combat?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Sorry, yeah - you could set a variable and check for that variable state after each, but really...don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you could check Bast's and do it this way yourself, or you could pay someone to write it and then learn from it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: Or 'help gmcp' gives you  http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: the proper way to do it would be GMCP, but you'd have to learn what your doing to fix it.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sneak and hide have the same off message, so it gonna be awkward at some point too :P if you decide to go with those triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: who can i pay to do one trigger so that i can learn from it?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if you gonna use gmcp won't be one trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: could bribe Bast I guess :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Why do you want to hide/sneak after every kill, to run to CP targets faster?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: If you're new to triggers, or a noob like me, I'd just use the one common death message, maybe the sacrifice message.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Honestly, sneak doesn't wear off in combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: And then trigger a recast if you get the fail to hide message.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hide doesn't either :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So why are you wanting to set it every kill?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: anymore
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hide does, but not sneak.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh wait ye, it does
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the fun part is that if the fighting does not stop, don't want to attempt to hide/invis
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: prolly thinking about movement :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sick, Bast even has the retreat msg :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: would have never thought about it
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if you flee/retreat or the mob flees, you may want to hide/invis
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: is there a way to cancel the mapper find command if it starts taking a LONG time??
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Should get the mapper extender script,fixs that client lag.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Escape?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: mapper extender script? wheres that?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: one of winkles scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: there is no player with that name :\
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: finger, winklewinkle
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: excellent! thank you.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I wonder what the extender script could possibly do to fix something
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Dont have a clue, and im not sure if its xtr or another, but removed that problem for me 100%
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: best way I found is to fix your habits... use mapper area instead of mapper where
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it probably just toggles the quicklist feature
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the mapper has a feature to not pathfind everything in advance. this makes results instant but not sortable by distance
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Before I would do searchs that could take 3-5mins and possible freeze up. now maybe 5-10 seconds worst.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sounds like you're doing stupid searches
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but, like I said, just toggle the quicklist feature
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Well, hasnt been a problem for a long time.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are your search results sorted by distance?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: let me check
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: I dont see steps they are sorted in some sort of random order not by room # or alphabetical
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish smirks.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it's like I said, then
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Ahh nod, helpful for me. I usually only use mapper list, to find what area a room is in
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 'mapper quicklist on' will have the same effect
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Ahh nice, cool command.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: DVI <-> VGA adapters only work if the video card was designed for such, yeah?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Should work just fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: just make sure the adapter for the DVI portion has the proper pins.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'd be reasonably sure most video cards dump out the VGA signal too.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Le pieu.. But I mean most video cards come with their own adapter... I thought the the adapter was just a pin out adapter, like the VGA -> component, where it had to support displaying VGA over a DVI port, and the adapter was just to adjust pins
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Certainly if it has a DVI-I port.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: here at my work we use them all the time because the monitors we have are all VGA, and certainly not all the computers we fix are VGA.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: So they're not adaptable without being with that in mind Is what I'm understanding
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: La pieu.. I was actually looking to do the opposite - DVI monitor, VGA out from a computer
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: some DVI adapters have the four pins around the - and some don't. Most newer cards require those extra pins.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: I see.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: That's a totally separate question.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: To be honest you can get a new card with DVI for the same cost as an adapter like that.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: I'm not sure I've ever seen a monitor that took analog across a DVI in (which proves little, since I've sure never looked for such a squirrely feature, but still; it's silly)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Its more looking to have a KVM that would support input of either DVI or VGA, without having to switch inputs on a monitor... The other option is everything VGA I suppose
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Here i found a link for you Dal
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Aren't many monitors currently that have DVI but not VGA either.  A lot of the cheapest LCD's have just VGA with no digital in (which is even stupider)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: erikson... Its more i'm trying to keep from having to switch inputs on a KVM AND a monitor.. I'd rather be able to switch via kvm and done
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Yeah Pieu.. that looks like the right genders and such - I was just worried it wouldn't work without the intended device being built for that sort of adapter. (like video cards outputting vga signals over DVI connection)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: It should work just fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: It may just throttle down the quality of signal if anything.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Thats fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: =)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I just wanted to make sure I shouldn't be looking at VGA kvms, because it would work with both.. i'd rather stay DVI and only use an adapter like that when I need to hook up my laptop or something
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Thanks guys
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Sure
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: This is probably a shot in the dark, but does anyone know anything about a Deepspar Imager for data recovery?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-DVI-Cable-Adapter-DVIVGAMF/dp/B000067SOH says specifically what I was trying to do (Connect a VGA only computer to a DVI-I monitor) .. looks like the cheapy ones i've got that came with video cards, so i'll give one of them a shot first
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: It's probably a generic yeah.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Be careful. Video cables can be dangerous.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: If youre one of my customers.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Dangerous?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: One time at work we had a monitor that showed everything very yellow. The cable was plugged in very tight but the screws weren't screwed in, so I screwed them in and the color was fixed. We theorized that the red channel actually travels through the screws.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Not true unfortunately :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: says you
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I was there.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I had the evidence.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Probably has some shorter pins :P
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you have some shorter pins. I told you the pins were in tight
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Sometimes the pins inside the inputs can get "bent" or pushed back, depending on how rough someone is with the cables. And the same goes with the pins on the cables.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: The screws probably tightened it more than your hands could.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my hands are very strong
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: TrEz snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: Doubt it.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Obviously that's how the cable got roughed up   ;p
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Also, that's illegal in 37 states.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: manhandling cables is ?:)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: depends on the cable
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, see, it depends on whether you're MANhandling or manHANDLING.  If you know what I mean.  Which I don't, but it sounds dirty anyway.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: :)
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: I have dirty cables...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: the triggers i made worked yesterday, it won't work now.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: did you check the triggers folder? are they still there? are they enabled?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: they are still in my Game->Configure->triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dfury Tech: are they enabled?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: besides turning off my fans, anyone know how to cut back on the wind noise my mic is picking up
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: put that foamy black stuff over it
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: blegh i threw my old foamy black stuff away =/
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "wind noise" in this context
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: are you blowing on it?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: no its not from breathing
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: are you sure it's the fans?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/75828250/asasasa.avi ... im not breathing while its recording
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: guess i can turn off my fans for a short time
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: just filter out that frequency
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I would avoid turning off fans for even a short time...assuming you mean case fans
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: A typical modern CPU can destroy itself in under 10 seconds without proper cooling
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a typical modern cpu will throttle itself down and shut off without harm
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: no i have 3 fans in my room to keep me cool, it gets hot in my room =/
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: My study showed 8.67 seconds as well.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You have...3 fans? Why not just run a single evaporative?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i be poor, i have 4 dollars to my name ATM
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: running costs will be lower 1 ac vs 3 fans, I'm fairly sure...oh well
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: most people are hundred of k in dept, lucky you
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Heh :p
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i dont count my debt
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Tha is my favourite kind of accounting :D
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: crushing debt is a status symbol.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: yea i prefer being poor and having no debt
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I prefer not being poor and having no debt
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: :\
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: woot no need to turn off my fans! i used duct tape, and one of my filters from my CPAP and it works to block out the "wind noise"
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: heh, see?  Duct tape fixes everything.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: if it moves and it shouldn't: duct tape.  If it doesn't move and it should? wd-40.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Gorrilla tape > Duct Tape
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: hrm.  Might have to check out Gorrilla tape...
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Welding torch > other stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: gorilla tape is the same as duck tape.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zanbone Tech: gorrilla glue stinks
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Great stuff way stronger imo
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: gorilla glue, though, that's some bad stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Weird Lil' Salvanas Tech: just bigger and hairier ?
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Duck tape: for when you need to tape ducks to ducts.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's worse than crazy glue.
T3/r7/2012-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zanbone lol
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: where can i get miniwins quest and cp plugins at?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: bast
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Can you use a Windows 7 start cd key to install Windows 7 Basic? Are the keys limited to the edition anyone know?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: of course the keys are limited to the edition
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: except for x86/x64
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: can anyone tell me how to set up miniwindows for quests and cps
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: there's some plugins that do it, look up aardwolf plugins in google
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: To write your own, not really - that would take weeks.  To just use someone else's, finger bast or winkewinkle
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: weeks? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: it might take minutes even
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'm assuming 0 prior knowledge here
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: fiendish has a biased view of programming plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: i.e. week 1 - control flow and variables
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: feel the variable, be the variable
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: grok the variable
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: what on earth is control flow
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: sequential, selection and repetition
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Or: normal, if then, and loops
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: control flow is what tampons do
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Zing.  Belated zing, but zing.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dispel Majic Tech: imperfectly
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I was brushing my teeth
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: ok this is a bit too much for me to comprehend is ther someway i can download a file with the plugins im looking for?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: didn't you look it up in google?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Reiterating my first response: finger bast or winklewinkle
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: i did but it just shows the code for them and idont know how to code wih thsi clieny
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: guess that should have been the first question what client are you using
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Both people's web sites have help pages explaining how to install
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: using mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: then yeah easiest way is use command: finger bast, or finger winklewinkle go to the website and download one of their plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: then if you still don't know how after downloading, just use ctrl+shift+p, then add plugin from the folder you installed the plugin in
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: ok i saved them in the plugin folder now i just add them and they should work 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: should, might have to restart client but should
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: ok i think i got it figured out 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: even got the spellup plugin now im ready for some serious mudding 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: is there a help command for bast plugins?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: bsp help
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Anyone familiar with the droid3 root method? Having a permissions issue (ironically enough).
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: so who wants to assist with some regex creation :)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nao Tech: how remove this tag {Sfail}?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: ^CRB_some_other_text     ###    ### BLAH BLAH BLAH
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: need the "some_other_text" and the first 3 digit after some whitespace
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: i tend to do those things in pieces. so i would split on whitespace, then match on the CRB_ in item1 and get the number in item2
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: wonder if someone will evel make a plugin to proxymud that converts xterm256 into MXP colors? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they're not directly equivalent, are they?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: pretty sure mxp is 216 colors
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: would just use a table... MXP is is any html color code
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, right, just 216 named
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i use #000000 thru #FFFFFF
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://www.conradshome.com/sshot.png
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: or refresh for score output
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Reaper Myrkul goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Abe ? I am sorry ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: ok, got my regex matching properly, now how wants to help with with some powershell (offering TPs)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Abe ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: yes?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: look mate I was outta line and I'm sorry 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: I only know not even a half of what you do in here and I should not have been picking on you - I am VERY sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: I have no idea what you're talking about
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: give it a rest... and take it elsewhere :/
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Io , you mob ? where the F is Abe ? I wanna say I'm sorry to him 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: offering 10tp for someone to help me get my powershell working properly
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Abe ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: send him a tell man, he does work for a living
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly ignored
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if he's ignored he's not gonna see the messages on tech anyway :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: then he's not going to see public channels either
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but i don't think abe ignores anyone, for logging purposes :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: he is kind of like the CIA of aard. 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: scripts can ignore and still log :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: illegal aard wiretapping
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Piffaron thinks Abel has weapons of mass destruction.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Drunk'ing Abel's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: mass distraction, actually.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Abelinc still had my IP adress from years ago when Lasher miswrote a command and anyone could see anyones ip address :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Piffaron thinks they could also just be hills in his yard...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I remember that. I moved house just in case abelinc tried any of his black-hat antics on me.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: I am trying to load a consider all plugin for mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: I am getting a parse error, could someone help me?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: any ideea why i cannot see group window in mush? :)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: there is a reset commnad
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly in the faq on wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: my mush broke lol..i cant see map anymore or group window or stats window...i reinstaled them but same shit
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: didn't find the reset aard command on the wiki faq?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: cant find it..
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: type: resetaard
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: from https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Layout#Where_is_the_scroll_bar?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i think that's been the general answer for "i can see xxx window"
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: thx...reset aard worked...kind of :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: defaulted all the windows?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: yes...:))
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: there is a save layout for next time... if you can save, i assume you can load :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: someone should add resetaard to the faq on aardwolf.com... i hadda search google to find it
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: why the heck doesnt the internal spellup queue party before self harmony, makes no sense.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: probably cause self harmony's a lower spell number
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: just forgetspell it
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: forgetskill party harmony, or make a mudside alias that casts party harmony first
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I know the ways around it, just seems like it would help a brotha out there.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: can anyone help me fix a plugin i have?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not with that information :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Piffaron rolls on the floor laughing at your antics! 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: well i am using the search and destroy plugin with the GUI interface and it was working fine now it wont register my cp mobs
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Quit using the search and destroy plugin, it makes you a more ignorant and generally worse player.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you probably have a target with a weird character in the MOB or roomname that's messing it up
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: not like Starling here...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: it was working fine i just want my cp list where i dont hve to type to see it everytime 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: so how can i fix this?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: stop botting
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do this campaign using your brain and the mapper, maybe report your moblist to winkle if you want
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: its a legal approved plugin 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and of course http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can try basts cp miniwindow, it provides miniwindow with the list without more automation
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, approved is a strong term...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kinjin Tech: tolerated
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: bast's miniwindow works well for me.  readily-viewable list, with me doing the "heavy lifting"
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: can i get a link to the plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's a bot, and you are a botter for using it, and I have no sympathy for your being stuck :)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: im not stuck this is a tehnical issue...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling cries on Gamgee's shoulder.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling plays the world's smallest violin for Gamgee.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: his stuff is listed in finger info.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kinjin forces a gag into Starling's mouth.  Ahhh, blessed quiet.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you try the advice in the first link I gave?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: the plugin stil isntworking and i restarted my mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then I'd go with my other advice :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: omg this is ridiclous it was working fine earlier 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the tech -h entries at 15:48:26 and 15:49:23
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: But it might be days before he can finish this campaign to see if it works on his next one!
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's OK, as long as he's not stuck
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Would be nice if on the MUSH Window Stats window, if you had options to exclude/include some of the information.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: easy enough to add/remove lines of info to it...someone else was doing that around 2 weeks ago
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Nice, not a big deal or even close to one. Wanted to hide my trains so I dont watch it to much. lol
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: biggest thing to remember when doing that is that the list of "stuff" is in the plugin twice, once for portrait, once for landscape
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: can look for the section containing worth.trains
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: anyone tried converting mush mapper database to tintin mapper format?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: can anyone get me across magnetism real quick ? need to know why non ferrous metals are not effected by magnets 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: ask starling
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: god help you
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: But starling will know.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's due to some of the metal's atomic orbitals having unpaired electrons
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: and it isn't true that non ferrous metals are not effected by magnets. aluminum in recycling is separated from tin etc by alternating magnetic fields.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: maybe because tin is more affected? i thought aluminum was the least magnetic metal
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Also, magnetic fields will induce current in non-ferrous metals
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: it is actually not just metals that are affected by magnetism
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Ferromagnetic materials are affected strongly by magnetism.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: But certainly all other substances are somewhat magnetic.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: subtances or elements?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Substances.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: substances has metals in them
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: I didn't think a substance had to be metallic in nature for diamagnetism or paramagnetism to be present...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: from what i remember of chem last semester is there is diamagnetic and paramagnetic elements. and it has to do with unpaired electrons in sigma and pi bonds
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Indeed.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: like i think it was liquid oxygen that we watched stick to a magnet
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: O2 in liquid state exhibits magnetic properties apparently 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: makes sense, since the valence orbital configuration for oxygen is 2s^2 2p^4, leaving 2 electrons unpaired in the p orbital
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: which would make it (i think) paramagnetic
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: OK from all of this I know know I need to wade thru alot to get across this - you mob are Fraggn awesome !
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: n winks Starling - anytime sunshine :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Somehow, I almost feel like this was a sort of subtle "effing maganets, how do they work?" =p
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: no more of a recycle prob a mate has at the local dump - I remembered something about it but was not across it - brief wiki revealed how NOT across it and so you mob are my go to peeps ! like I said you mob rock ! 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: so yeah Dal - ur surmation was accurate ... ty :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: =o
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: unfamiliar with that one ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: which one
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: =0
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: =o
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: oh. Just an emoticon dealio thing. Unimportant
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: My surmation of what?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: all human expression is important - whats that one mean ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: also, surmation? =p
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: lol soz I spell phonetically when like this - a verbal summary - surmation ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: (l) nerds :D I get emoticons :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: did I invent a word ? not the first time 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Summation. 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: summation is the word you're talking about? Like when an attorney closes his case?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Or Summary
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: is a real word  that means what I said ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: There is a real word that means that - but surmation it is not.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: so summation is it ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: past tense of  summary ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Summation is a noun.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: so is summary.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: That too, yeah. Summarize is the verb of summary.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: lol I don't need to go to uni - just sit here :D
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: so summation - define cause thats the word I have stuck in my head 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: Summation  =  the act or process of summing.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You know, theres lots of dictionaries on the internet =p
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: The act or process of adding (summing); a sum or aggregate; a concluding part of a speech or argument containing a summary.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Yeah, that was taken from a dictionary.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: mate you know yourself the diff between learning via google or actuallt talking to someone - recant ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: One requires more self direction then the other? =p
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: I'm still young n insane - just want a straight answer to a straight q? atm - if it ain't there then I'll search but you mob are an awesome awesome crew !
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: ever have a q? on occult - psych stuff - i'm ur go too  girl too ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: too many oo's in the first too ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: like this I'm friendly but can't spell ... thems the breaks :)
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: English not your first language, I'm guessing?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: my first lang is sensual :P
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: he's Australian, so probably not.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: half right Hans 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I don't know that sensual constitutes a language
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: the lang of love ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: our of habit, i type recall a lot... i want recall to be an alias to enter my amulet, i made an alias in mush to do such a thing, but it appears to not be working
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: it's set up as regex and execute
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: where'd i go wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you'd have to have a therapist if your first language is that.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: SHE is Australian 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: love is not a language =o
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scars Tech: nevermind, it looks like "enabled" wasn't checked
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: lol I do have a therapist - and a mighty cute nurse who gives me shots - can't seee if her pupils dilate at the sight of my ass while she gives em - is a cruel cruel world 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Does this crap belong on tech?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Take it to gossip.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: I"m thinking no.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: no - I want my own chann !
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Anyone know of a 7" class tablet with an HDMI out? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: android, I mean
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Twigg randomly points at people, screaming "STRANGER DANGER!"
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: take it to curse or goss mate - Starling has spoken !
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: TY for taking the time with me - Tz out of the chann - dream well all :D
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: o/
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ok riddle me this
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Ive got a list of dates on a tab in excel that range from 01/01/10 to 08/31/10 but if I copy that tab to a new Spreadsheet or I copy any other tab (with dates on it) to that spreadsheet the dates change
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: to roughly 2 years previous
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: even if I copy and paste only values it still does it
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: But if I manually type in the date it works
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: anyone with any clues?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: wow so found something that said 'Use 1904 date system' that fixed it wtf ever that means
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: the disparity between american and english  date recording - US - month day year - english day month year ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: anyone have a time/calendar plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: for MC?
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Windows 7... would think it would come with a program to tell you what is downloading or using bandwidth ><
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Maybe Windows 18 will
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: sounds like a job for a widget  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: it does, it's called resource monitor
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: i have wondered whats using what when it come to my internet connection. thats for sure...
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Really erks me. No matter how many automatic updates I turn off.. there is still always something dloading by itself from time to time.
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: so any reply to my time/calendar question?  Some areas I need to keep track of day/night for hunting
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The wiki has info on the calendar, if you want to make one yourself
T3/r7/2012-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: speaking of which, I was a little off on the year cycle part.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: any idea why I suddenly get IP conflict messages on the entire network? All clients get their IP-address from dhcp, which seems to run fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Second router/dhcp server on the network possibly?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rogue dhcp server
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: any ideea how to solve a mac poisoned attack?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: change the mac?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i am at work...cant do that :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: the problem is that i cannot connect to a sql instance because of that :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: have IT change the mac? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: nope...they need to restart the switch...but if they do that all company will have problem :D
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: so they said we need to wait...but if we wait i am allready in weekend..because i dont have anything to do :))
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: happy weekend :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: heh..thx :D good time for playing aard
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: for if in lua how do you put 2 conditions, like if asd1==1 and asd2==2 then
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: like that :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh good
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: Sooo i'm back.. and using the mush client.. downloaded a script in xml.. tried to load it and it's not working. its looking for LUA files.. is there a conversion I need to do?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not a conversion, you're just missing some files needed for that plugin to run
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: is it a bast plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: ok, thanks. I'll look into it
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: not sure if it's bast.. i got it from swalec
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, then no... well, if it came with installation instructions, i'd start with those
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: no instructions unfortunately. :/ i'll look around some more. new to mush and wasn't sure if this would work. thank you for the info.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: ok I was importing wrong. lol. Ok, now i'm getting constants.lua was not found...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: ok.. mushclient (the one on the aardpage) trying to disable using the numpad as NSWE, where is the option?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: numlock:)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: game -> configure -> keypad
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: perfect. ty.. this is so much different than zMud...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and dawsey: for the constants.lua not found, I'll bet you didn't have the xml file in the MUSHclient\worlds\plugins folder
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's where the constants.lua file lives...the plugin may have been written to explicitly look in its own directory for the file
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I miss the olden days when "folders" were called directories.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: yeah, i was just telling one of the guys at work here about telnet and he was dumbfounded, never heard of it before
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: if you haven't "grown up" in a unix environment, you probably haven't heard of it
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: unless you are a mudder :D
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: lol. Anymore people don't even know what irc is.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It's a typos of iirc, duh
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: facepalm
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: or gopher, archie et al
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i remember my first 14.4 baud modem.. it was amazing! People look at me and go "what's baud"
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you never had a 14.4 baud modem
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you had a 14.4kbps modem
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: baud is NOT bps
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my first modem was 300
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only the slower modems have their baud = their speed
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the way faster modems worked was to have multiple slower signals going at once, at a different sound frequency...how fast a single one sent is the baud rate, not the speed of the modem
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my 300 was truly baud  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: it was called an IBM 14.4 BAUD modem. I know it was running kbps but it was called baud
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, a 300bps modem is also a 300baud modem
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: My first modem was a 2400 modem, it was awful
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I grew up in BBS days.  
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i still own my original C64 300 baud :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I still miss that BBS game where you only got 5 moves per day....to control bandwidth.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: even have a spare still in original shrink wrap :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: yeah, that 14.4 baud i had was an antique, a big nasty one too. lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: back before there was an Internet.  Connecting to BBSes and your only service fee was typically a long distance call.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So before 1983?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I have a packaged 8" floppy drive
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i lived in Houston TX at the time... there were TONS of bbs
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: nice baikojun
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: Daikojun**
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: close enough :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: my dad still uses our commodore 64.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i still fire up my SX-64 from time to time
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: going back and forth between this and sql... lol.. i've almost sent select * and inner join a few times on here
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: c64 are great for ham operators
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my dad was working on computers before they were "personal".  I got on board in the early 80s but I was very young
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Muddude Tech: I still store stuff on my tape drive 
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: SELECT * from USERS where CLUE >0
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: 0 records returned
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh, i recently put a 486 together so i could get all the old crap off my Colorado 250 :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i saw that t-shirt on think geek last night :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: last I checked, my 486 was still runnable.  probably needs a new CMOS battery though.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vixsin Tech: Any of you guys remember a game called Keen? Had it on my 486 back in the day and have been looking for a copy for years
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/595d/
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Commander Keen!
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Commander Keen!
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vixsin Tech: Yes :D
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yeah, I work on SQL so we're always tossing code jokes around
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vixsin Tech: GD that's great.. I couldn't even remember the name of it.. I was 8 at the time
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i have that shirt Daik
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: SELECT finger FROM hand where id=3;  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: my boy still enjoys Keen and Doom 1 :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vixsin Tech: You have a copy!?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: daik: got that one too. rofl
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I put that on my door for weeks before someone googled it and I had to take it down  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vixsin laughs at Daikojun mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my favorite Think Geek shirt says:  "No, I will not fix your computer"
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: think i saw that one there too.. http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/itdepartment/
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I need an ASCII Aardwolf t-shirt
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: I like the QT one in ASCII.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like the login screen :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yep
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: "One Does Not Simply Telnet into Mordor"  I played T2T for years and this was my phrase  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how many people would buy an Aardwolf t-shirt or other Aard swag?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I would
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i would if this stupid script would work. :/
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, people say that...but the cafepress site did squat :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: hey abel.. made no changes... reinstalled bast_hunt.. it worked... wtf
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: just looked over my shoulder and snapped this: http://i.imgur.com/Kn2Mn.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: good place to keep jeans
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you can point out the SX-64, some VCR tapes, and an Atari 2600 controller :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: that's pretty
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: they're re-releasing the 2600
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: 100% working.. with heat sinked sid chip :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my wife makes me kee anything not currently being used in my garage  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they re-released the commodore last year :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ive got crap laying ALL over
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: they're going old school. arcades are coming back, atari is making a come back...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i read online some kid is programming the first super mario bros for atari
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I got on a kick and bought a C2 unit for NES/SNES, an N64, and a Game Cube.  Now my kids are throwing controllers like I used to  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: arcade in town charges $5 to walk in, unlimited play.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: C2?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://www.commodoreusa.net/cusa_c64.aspx for the new commodore
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: here is another from on top the entertainment center... http://i.imgur.com/sg7FK.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my sister's house pretty much is an arcade...they've got the sit-in pole position, ride on hang-on, half a dozen pinballs, 2 full-size wurlitzer CD jukeboxes, one of those bar touchscreen 100-in-one jobbies, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: holy crap, 1300... who wants to buy a small child?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ohhh... arcade... my older brother is getting ready to give me his Centipede machine... MAME anyone :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they gave my dad golden tee for his basement (by his pool table) for xmas last year
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: a buddy of mine worked at an arcade that went out of business. he bought a ton of their machines for pennies on the dollar. we're thinking about converting gauntlet legends into mame
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ive got 70 gigs of mame stuff backed up on dvd :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: C2 Twin Duo Consoles:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/C2-Twin-DUO-Nintendo-NES-SNES-Video-Game-System-2-in-1-Console-/400319391072?pt=Video_Games&hash=item5d34e52560
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i don't know how much fuzzy has
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: been wanting a mame machine for a while now
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: OH, i've seen those before. They have a handheld version too
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: super cheap and they play my old carts.  My NES cables are missing and this thing was cheaper than replacing them
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i got like 500 atari carts out in the shed
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: SELECT coffee FROM mug;     0 Records Found.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: bbl
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: lunch time. be back in an hour y'all
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yall done made me break out the Commander Keen computer... http://i.imgur.com/hqDgP.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: 486/DX75 Thinkpad 701C "butterfly" booted into Win95 :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aww, our Hyundai Neuron 425SLC lap only runs W3.11
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh... oh we going old pc... lemme go photo the Acer/Smith Corona 286-10 :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I have a Dos 7 VM for playing Battle Chess
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: ah, battle chess
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: the queen could go naked if you knew how to play
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I still have an IBM XT in the garage.  My first "personal" computer
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I started with a ][+
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: killer 4.77MHz performance and 128KB onboard RAM
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I still have a working Apple ][e and ][gs COLOR
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://i.imgur.com/tW2lf.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I have a woz][gs with a 20meg harddrive!
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Acer/Smith Corona brand :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: wow a 286 with 2 floppy drives
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I remember the pain of getting an 8088 in the computer labs
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i put the 720k in there when i was working on getting it to boot DOS 1.1... 
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, the absolute oldest box I have that works is a Smith Corona DOS word processing unit with 2 5.25 drives and a 10MB drive.  It has a 6" green screen and the keyboard snaps onto the face for portability.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: here is the results of that... http://conradshome.com/ibmdos11/
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the dos image is prolly considered pirate... but who's gonna gripe about dos 1.1 being in the wild :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: DOS is freeware now
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ibm dos?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: no, MS
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: MS freware? no way
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that is: The IBM Personal Computer DOS    Version 1.10 (C)Copyright IBM Corp 1981, 1982
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: there are free versions of DOS but not from MS
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Isn't there a time limit on copyright? 25 years?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: you can DL MS DOS 7 from the FTP
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I assume msdos liscenses keep rolling forward witht the new releases
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cyrni Tech: Mickey Mouse is still copyrighted, so...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you can download also MS Office from Microsoft web pages
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that 701C i pictured earlier had a blew up nimh when i got it... i rebuilt it with storebought ones... http://conradshome.com/thinkpad/701/battery/
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: there is time limit for patents, so probably innovations used in MS DOS are no longer patent protected
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and the one in the river styx
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: is there some unusual lag happening to server or just me?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: none here
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: anyone who use wildcards around?pls send me a tell :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: hello
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: I seem to have a problem with a gui script on mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: the minimap doesn't seem to be showing up as well as the stats
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: I don't know what I'm doing wrong with the script since it just said to install it on the aardwold wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: can lua table have more columns?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can nest table inside another table
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: http://www.lua.org/pil/11.2.html
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: so if i want to show matrix element i do it the same like for tables?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ferru: type "tags", make sure the bottom line says "On", that MAP says "YES"
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and type "statmon", because that's probably where MAG gets its info (I think it predates GMCP)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: Is there any way to rewrite an alias from the command prompt in Mush without having to go in and delete the old one?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you could delete the old one from the command line...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Metzli Tech: How?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: using the DeleteAlias function
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'd need to know the alias's name, and in order to do scripting things from the command line you'd preface the line with the scripting prefix (default is \\\)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: hey abelinc.. was in the middle of playing with this autohunt script from bast.. iceage happened, in the middle of the autohunt, and it won't let me autohunt now.. any ideas?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: did you try hunting it manually once
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: yeah, still not working
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: reinstalled it, working now. :/ is there a cancel for it?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno I don't have that
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: lasher if your awakee and/or paying attention, send me a quick tell :p
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help note writing :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: (this is rob at caskey dot org btw)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: anyone know the phone client putty?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what's the question?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: when i try to log in its says host name lookup failed im wondering if i have some settings wrong or something
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what's the hostname?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: i used aardmud.org:4000 like im using now
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: can you access the web?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: i have limited airtime so not atm i will be able to next week though
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Baurus Tech: depends how many pages i have to load
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone here want to shoot the breez regarding UI on a web-client i'm on-again off-again tinkering on?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know a free ftp program that, unlike filezilla, isn't shit?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Is Filezilla that bad?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: totalcommander :P
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I used to use WS_FTP, but not sure if its still relevant
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: SecurCRT
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: bah, be a real geek, write your own
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I used to use 'cuteftp', sadly it became ill maintained.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: used to use wsftp free version
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Was actually solid and simple.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: would like one that shows hidden files for a start, or actually deletes a folder when i tell it to
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Ah, yeah, I had the paid version of that long ago.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's the lua syntax for if with 2 conditions, AND doesn't seem to work
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and can't even find it on forums
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: tried with & ?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: "and" usually works
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: tried with and, both variables are proper, the if still won't work
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: usually the helpfile has a section called something along the lines of "logical operators".
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you must be doing something weird - try to paste the whole line?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: if a = 1 and b = 2 then ...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: perhaps it's a lack of parentheses?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: it's and
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: gonna try again then
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: where does it say it's 'and'
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: section 2.5.3 of Lua manual, for example
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in the manual.  Under expressions, section 3.4.4.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it doesn't need to be capitalized or something ?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I make 2 ifs with both clauses they work, I put and it doesn't work, it makes no sense
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: all ISP's should be taken out and shot
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: did you paste your line here already? We are in the dark until you do
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no I didn't paste it I need to be sure that's the syntax
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: lua.exe, > if (true and true) then print("it works") end
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Are you putting a second "if"? because you don't need one
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the best way to be sure of syntax is to get it from the source (ie, the manual).  Just like with SQL, though, the official manuals are probably not as clear to understand as a noob as a good tutorial site might be.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: anybody here ever saw in person a dell xps 14 (2012 model)?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: the ultrabook?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visual  Persuasion Tech: just last year lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looks like a con
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes its ok
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: although 'ultrabook' is arguable for a 2.1 kg machine...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Stomp Tech: a con, tiger? what do u mean?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'v got a Lenovo U300s on my desktop at work and it's a whole different league
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I found what's wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone feel strongly about a web client that automatically cleared your non-chat scrollback when you changed rooms? i'm toying with different ideas on how to cut down spam
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Have you looked at help spam reduce to start mudside?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: a web client as opposed to a telnet client?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well it uses telnet but i'm trying to make it feel super-friendly
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: by telnet client, I meant something that doesn't go through the web browser.  CMud, Mush, etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: its browser based, it uses java or flash to make the connection and if that fails it falls back to a proxy
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I have yet to use a flash or telnet client that wasn't clunky and awful, good luck to you
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: my only experience with webclients is that they are slower with fewer features.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that's true, and this one especailly because it's just a toy so far, but there is no reason taht it couldn't be a first-class client
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I mean flash or java
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well you don't ever see the applet, it loads in the background and just gets javascript access to socket functions
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does anyone here use timers?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: everyone does.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: what for?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: quests, voting, tick stuff, affects durations.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm thinking about just making them part of the plugin interface
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I think you could even finagle one for lottery drawings, even.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: oh, and daily blessings.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: by itself, DB has at least 11 timers, though you can probably mash like-duration timers together.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: DB?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: daily blessing.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i guess the hope would be that someone would just role that up into a plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you have the "the next time you can ask for a daily blessing" timer, and then you have the individual reward timers.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but they are easy enough to add
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: triggers however...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: one thing i tried with mixed results was to create a div for each room and collapse it when you exited and then expand it again on hover
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: In Mushclient is there anyway to SNOOP another world into the main window for Fiendish's Mushclient?  Short of making a plugin that sends everything from one world to the other one.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: when you say "everythng"
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Sorry Scurvy, that a response to me :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: looking into it, I think since all aliases and scripts and triggers are set up on a per-world basis, I think it's unlikely you'll easily come across something that communicates between worlds
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: is there a way for xyl portal not to mess up my runto masq?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Sean add a level lock.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Scurvy there is a way to send messages across world, Note will take a world id or something like that.  Done it before.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: yeah just found this http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/function.php?name=GetWorld
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: but i do get mobs from xyl and masq at the same time or level range.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SeanJac Tech: is there a clan exit to masq?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: portal to it
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Why would Gparted or any partitioning tool not recognize the hard drive on a netbook? 
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: cause it's hooped?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Anything similar to device manager in linux? how do i get to it?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for GUI, would depend on the distro, some stuff would need kernel options compiled in, etc...check dmesg output
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll give the low hardware level info on what the system sees as it's booting
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: around what time are you guys on?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are people on 24/7
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: since I was trying to reach this channel earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: ah okay I guess I'll wait a bit longer next time
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I gave an answer to one of your questions earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: sorry I probably logged or restarted before you answered 
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD rebooted, which reset the channel -h history...
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: ah it's cool I resolved the script issues on mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh good, was it the tags settings on the MUD?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cuz that's what my advice was
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: it was the -- marks before a few of the settings
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, stuff was commented out
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: as well as a typo on the trigger to auto start the mag plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twyst Tech: is there a command to ping aardwolf?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, ping aardmud.org
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the command would be done on your computer/phone, not while logged in here...it doesn't accomplish much for aard to ping itself
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: dont do it, its a trap! the server will eat you!
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: he probably did it already lol
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twyst Tech: Ok thanks, just trying to determine latency
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drakoth Tech: the lpbs are ruining the mud!
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: the lips boys are running the mud?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lo :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andaeriel Tech: I've somehow turned a highligh on in addition to ansi...I can't figure out after reading the help file how to turn it off. even turning off ansi doesn't do so... and I can't focus well with it. Any ideas how to turn it off?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Anyone familiar with using subversion?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: yep
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: got a question?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Any idea what I may be doing wrong? I'm supposed to be adding a directory called labs, so I did the svn add labs, so now svn status lists labs, but when I try to do the svn commit -m "adding labs directory", it doesn't seem to be adding it.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: does svn status show a ? next to the labs directory, or an A?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: just the ?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: then your svn add didn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: the ? means it doesn't know what the labs directory is yet.  The A will indicate that it is marked to be added to the repository.
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Alright. Could the problem be that I was instructed to do "svn add labs" while in the labs directory?
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: yes... go to the parent directory and try it
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}My Name Is Shiruyumi Tech: Okay, that's what I was thinking. So the instructions are a bit off. Thanks. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: you're welcome!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: how hard would this zmud alias be to create in mush... #ALIAS setstats {#FORALL @stats {tierstat %i};wishstat str} where stats=str|dex|wis|con|luck|int|str|dex|wis
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You're overthinking it.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Just make a separate line for each tierstat, it's what I did and it works just fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: overscripting helps me to learn other scripting techniques :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I thought EnableTriggerClass("GroupName",true/false) was valid syntax in AardMUSH.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: EnableTriggerGroup, perhaps?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Seems to be it, I guess.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Sure thing
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: how can i delete a matrice line in lua?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Tried 'table.remove (<table>[, position])'?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: anyone using Winkle's extender?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I hear Everybody is using it.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: it doesnt work for gqs for me, any reason this is possible?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: lolololol
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it only displays gq mob list
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: because it dosent exist a gq version for it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: by design
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yeah...right..."doesn't exist" :D
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: doesn't the triple pack work for gq?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You can still use the hunt trick, quick-where etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: somehow it worked for me previously i think
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the publically released version of S&D is not equipped for global quests, but Lasher in a note recently said he has seen modified versions
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: by modified versions lasher wanted to say that some ppl stuck kill command in run :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i see
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Cmon guys, these are trivial modifications.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i downloaded it straight from codes.google. etc though
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I don't use any of the winkle scripts so I don't know how modified it would have to be
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It takes 30 seconds to add the "kill" command if you're proficient with scripting.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Huh? I've seen modded versions of SnD which included kill command with sw as well as a gq mod.  Trivial to detect with a simple spoof though, coder was dumb
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Putting that 'kill' command at the end of the sw might be trivial, but crossed the line between botting and not.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Produce a Rumour is agreeing with that Pedwiddle person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Yeah, by trivial I didn't mean "go do it". My version of S&D sure doesn't have any stacked kill commands.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: thats what lasher said about modified version...to attention ppl that  its a small step on S&D from play to bot :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I meant that you shouldn't really act surprised if somebody does that, as it's really easy.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No, lasher said the modded versions were modded to run on gqs
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: thats not illegal 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: winkle has such a version...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Well, that's more than 30 seconds o' work. Still, if you can do it for campaigns, how's a gq different.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: no, it isn't - but the biggest 'justification' for SnD was it doesn't run on gqs - which is wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Stock S&D does NOT run on gqs. Modding it makes it non-WinkleWinkle's S&D. Which means you shouldn't blame Winkle for whatever mods there are.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And really, with aard mapper a quest bot is only 3 triggers away - I look forward to seeing those people's nuke announcements.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it would be easy for lasher to immediately disable all the S&D scripts, and thereby wipe out most bots temporarily, but the line he has to consider is how that will also affect people using the 'legal' versions of S&D
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: winkles plugins just bring mushcline up to the level of zmud 10 years ago, i don't see what the big deal is
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Scurvy, care to explain what's 'illegal' in the illegal versions?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I'd say if Lasher could disable SnD, while keeping the Aard mapper and basic autohunt scripts working, it would be done... not really feasible though
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: the whole point of the mapper was to level the playing the field between zmud and mush...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Cizra: It's no secret some people have added kill commands to the end of the hunt, which makes it illegal.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Cizra, the "illegal" versions I imagine would be equipped with auto-progress and auto-kill
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Autojoin, auto run, autokill, autonuke
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: What's auto-progress?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Oh, OK. Then I'm legal :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: he is legal..he dosent autojoin but he does the rest :))
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: autokill is illegal. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Ranrr: kill one mob, go straight to the next one in the campaign? As I said I don't know exactly what it does already
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Well, I was just worried that someone rants about using S&D in gqs _in general_. In general, it's a nice tool to hunt-trick, for example. Why should I write my own hunt-trick bot if there's one.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Aaaand please please please don't blame Winkle for illegal versions of S&D -- he was kind enough to share his scripts with you, and if anyone makes any mods, well... that's not Winkle's S&D anymore.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Obfuscator is great for making SnD gqers suck even harder than they do to begin with :-) >>arrive at area, hunt 1.somemob >>Whoops, non-snd already won, off to the general board to claim they bot
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: all changes designed to stop bots will only last until someone makes a better bot
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: all changes made to stop bots only hurt the people that don't bot
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: lol wat
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: the name scramber for instance...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: doesn't stop any decent bot
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: You know this because your bot still works? Or becasue you have 0 wins, so obviously everyone else is botting? Just confused how you arrived at that conclusion. Or did you figure out a good way to descramble mobs? Just curious here on how you arrived at this conclusion.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Neither of you are really correct. While it's true that a script has a slight advantage (can unscramble a name, etc), it still has to locate the mob and kill it. A person with good knowledge can (and have) beat bots because they know where to go, and they recognize the mob name, even scrambled. So while a bot is trying to figure it out, the non-bot is already there, killing it.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The only real people that scrambled gqs and cps hurt are those who don't have knowledge of the MUD.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And a smart person can beat out a bot any day.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: beat zibest then!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Zibest isn't a bot.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: i know lol :P he just have around 250 portals :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's already been proven, multiple times.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: zibest is wasting his genius
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I bet that it's pretty impossible to write a GQ bot that can beat a good player.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: But mob names often aren't just "scrambled", they have other letters substitued, or am I completely wrong on that? And I agree, players familiar with the game have an advantage for scrambles.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nah it's possible
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's just very hard
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: One day, someone is going to be rich enough to get a portal to every single room in Aardwolf. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Other letters substituted/added/removed, yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Furrier Everybody points excitedly at Daeric!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: There aren't enough pockets wishes for that...:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I hate your name, Everybody.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: keepflag. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Furrier Everybody grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And zero-weight.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Bah...I keep forgetting that's still around...:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You could hold 50000 items, no problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but a good player with a little scripting would easily be close enough to the bot's speed for luck to affect who wins
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's just going to cost a hell of a lot of tps.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: A player is smart enough to jump around the list instead of going down the list. A bot tends to be linear.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it's tempting to print out a giant map of the game so I can pin out where my portals lead to and figure out which to buy for the best shortcuts
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's pretty easy to own some of the newbie 'bots' just by killing 2/4/6/8 :p
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or even 4,5,6, 8,9,10, 7, 1, 3, 2. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: does anyone have a big map of the place so I don't spend all this time making one? If I made one, would there be purpose in sharing it?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: showdesc xyrico.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For MUSH. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I made one when continents went live, but it is pretty outdated now
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: neato. I'll keep the prefilled database for reference later, but I meant an actual map I can print out with a poster printer
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I'll see if I can make one in excel, that'll be easiest
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: - Scurv - mining industry ownership in Oz you across that ?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: i know nothing of the mining industry
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: lol K mate :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ugh the continents are not convenient rectangles
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: looks like mine is still up, it could save you some work if you overlook the outdated area exits: http://aardhuan.sweb.cz/continents/world.html
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: thanks, that will help with the colours
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: going to make mine A0 sized and hope I can get away with printing it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: for future reference the universe is 120x95
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: nah try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfR_HWMzgyc
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: oops mischan
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: enjoy anyway 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: hmm, if I make it in excel then how am I going to make it into a poster... pdfcreater, print as png?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rhizor Tech: anyone know the putty phone client?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: now why cant mush look so good on the mapper... http://www.conradshome.com/sshot.png ,,, i cant figure out xyl when i mapped it in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: nobody can figure out xyl in anything
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: que?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's easy now.. all greens & orange rooms are up/down linked
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Was the map auto-generated by zmud?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: not even close to "auto"...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Well, there's your answer then (=
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the rooms were created
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but zmud let me reposition em
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: auto it pretty much is a jumble like mush, but mush wont let me fix em :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: Hi guys. What is best way to do this. " sapi on
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: oops
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: verbal look cmd
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: ie. turn on SAPI. issue cmd Look. and turn off SAPI. 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: what on earth is SAPI
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It's a text to speech I think.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: speech application programming interface
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: I have Sapi working
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: but it reads everything
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: MUSHClient has text to speech plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: huh, and I was using prerecorded speech in wav files
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: there is something to be said for having GLaDOS inform you that it's time to quest again though
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ok it looks like the sapi plugin comes with triggers to turn it on and off. So, set up an alias or a trigger than executes the commands "sapi on", "look", "sapi off"
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: than = that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: I tried that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and? error messages? any response at all?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: I dont know much about MUSHclient
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: keep in mind you should use Execute(), not Queue or Send, to mimic the user typing commands in
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: in Alias SEnd field?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: So I make alias that executes a script, that has 3 Execute() cmds. OK
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ok... if you make an alias named 'saylook', set the 'send to' to 'script' and in the 'send' box is where you'd put the actual script
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: aah
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuupio Tech: oki
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: right, like Execute('sapi on') is the command that will mimic the user entering the command 'sapi on'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: need a name for my mud client...any feelings on...mudger?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: bad
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: call it Ooze or Sludge
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: call it Starling
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mudgician ;P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: muckraker?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What's the client like?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Why's it better than the gazillion mature, good-ish clients out there already?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: what client are you guys talking about 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: call it terminator (if it has some auto functions - like auto kill, auto hunt and so on)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: or maybe mud terminator
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: It's like a web page
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and err.. the mud shows up in it...and there are some clickly dragging button thingymajigs
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and err what there isn't is a giant java or flash applet
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Can you create arbitrary sockes from Javascript?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you cannot, it uses plugins or proxies if no flash or java is available
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm honestly thinking about ripping out the java applet support though because its so crashy and java's street rep is just getting worse and worse
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i thought maybe some mobile devices might run java applets that wouldn't run flash but i don't think that turned out to be the case
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so if your connecting via the websocket proxy to a known mud i'll proxy your traffic
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i should really write a local proxy
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: and you can thank minecraft for making the whole world know how terrible java actually is
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: they haven't paid someone to rewrite that?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: For Aardwolf yes, and i'd like to make sure it plays nicely
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: nope its still a slow game bc java is the engine 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i talked to lasher, he said it was still firewalled off
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: this was like a week ago
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: im pretty-pleasing him to add more GMCP2 markup as well :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you could do some client able to run mush plugins 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i looked into that but I think its better we not go down that road
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it does support some crappy plugins and that definately could be improved
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but i'd really like for the plugins to be written in javascript and to stay away from regexps and such
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: er... :-O How can you stay away from regexps? Do you intend the poor users to write context-sensitive parsers in BNF or whatever?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it could be some kind of android application - with server-side support - then that server-side could connect to aard
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no i'd intend for muds to send out stuff that was easy to parse and for smoeone to hook it with a plugin and then share the link to their plugin with the mudmin who made it a suggested plugin for the mud
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so for example, paging, paging sucks
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Erh.. Then your MUD client would only work with 1 MUD?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no, but it certainly will be easier to script a mud that exposes more stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but i'd assume what would happen is that there would be some generic parser plugins to help folk set off triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Traditionally, MUD admins aren't very happy about scripting
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes but i think that's changing, i've read the botting policy on probably 20 of the top 30 muds
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you want to make botting significantly easier, in other words
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: i personally really like the MUSHclient its user friendly and gives me one of thebest mudding experinces ive ever had 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: admittedly, it's an issue, it makes life easier fore veryone including bots
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: really consider client-server model, dumb terminal (phone) and server rich-featured - something like mushclient, yet it could cause problems when many players will connect from the same ip
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but i've already got an autowalker that can walk you to any room you have been in or any item by its name in stock SMAUG - and that does nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: i mean the mudding experince for me i dont bot but its just so great for aardwolf i mean part of it, it's that is was written for aard but it just makes the game much more interesting 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: let me kinda explain my thoughts on what it's like for someone who isn't botting
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: bots wont use my client anyway, they will log in and hook their own stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so really that argument is should we mark up our mud text or not
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but your client can be considered bot if will make too easy playing / killing
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: 'can be considered' is not something i'm really worried about
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: for phone users it could be convenient just to have button that move to next room in area then con mobs and kill strongest in range
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: is it bot or no? you still have to click button
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gamgee Tech: i just like mush for the maps and stat windows also the chat filter is a very nice plus the health/mana etc/ bars make it much more enjoyable imo
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: strongest in range...i don't know i'd provide that out of the box
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: should the mud, already partnered with some extremely good mud clients, make botting significantly easier for the benefit of your new web-based mud client?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: providing a button for each agro mob in the room with kill and an hp bar? yes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I would say yes because it's got the potential to be more inviting to new players
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, if after moving into room you get list of monsters, then you create on screen touchable buttons 'kill that mob' could be interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: also it benefits those old clietns
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: you guys ever head of http://0x10c.com/? 'botting' will be THE game
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because they then have more stuff they cna hook
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also, the same for moving n/e/s/w just by touching top, bottom, left or right side of screen
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: what about u and down trachx? :))
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: also important to note, i'd intend it to be 100% no-rights-reserved
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: right, that makes things tougher
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: That looks pretty neat Nissim - I hate the idea of monthly fee thoug
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: connect to iphone accelerometer, and move faster in a direction that the phone is tilted towards. shake for up and down
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: yeah Mendaloth.. that kinda sucks... but still, I always wanted to play a game in which I can program
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but the plus side for mudmins is huge - it's easy to script, easy to access remote resources like sounds and graphics
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: genius! move phone in desired direction and that moves player, then strong and fast move with phone up and down will serve as 'kill' command
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it gets us away from the world of monotype fonts :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and i think it will prevent the wall of text froms macking around new players
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so imagine you type who and instead of a wall of text or a modal pager you just get a scrolalble div with all the players in a nice table
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Ronus, is that something you're coding yourself?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: cool, put it up on github and I may take a look :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: by my feelings don't hurt easily so don't feel bad about telling me it's a stupid idea
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I totally will, you OK with the code being 100% crap?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: absolutely, if I wasn't I wouldn't look at my own code
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm ashamed of it but it works and i've learned lots of javascritp since I wrote most of it a year ago
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: All the ideas I've heard seem interesting, but does sound like a lot of coding :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm imagining this and that, and until you actually code it, I'll keep imagining this or that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's hardly any coding
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You basing off an existing client's code?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so what's the repo gonna be named :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Mendaloth no its 100% from scratch except for the socket shims
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: you know what would be cool? if we had a 'bot arena' where we could put up scripted bots to fight each other
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: the better AI wins :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: by 'cool' I mean 'geeky as hell'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so seriously, any serious objections to mudger?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: scryingorb was also an option
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: it's a terrible name
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: there is something like core wars 
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: is is kind of 'bot arena'
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: mudger is not a great name
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: mudlet if it is phone oriented
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Just write the program and name it later
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i got to push it to a repo though
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I know of core wars but I wish I could do it in the MUD
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and i really do need a domain name for it because sitedomain.somedomain.mydomain.com is a bit long
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: definitely not mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i think thats taken anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: modernmud too pretentious?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: mudern
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: seriously, less worrying about the name, more worrying about the program
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: mudfuturo, mudrama
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: yeah, i'm using mudlet o linux
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mu-drama you mean :p
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i think it might have been dumb of me to think we would really leave at nine
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok mudern it is lemme create a repo and push
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Murden!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: but nine, or eleven are also nice names - so mysterious and technical
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: wasn't Nine the doll protagonist in that odd stop motion film.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: but Ronus, is it only a client? I thought you were talking about more tags coming from the server
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: it wasn't stop motion it was animated
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: more tags are better, doesn't mean it doens't work without them
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: 9
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ok so it's basically a JS client?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I think I got on late on the conversatio
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it is a web client that Ronus is hoping lasher will make changes to the mud to accommodate
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ok
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: there are quite a few web clients out there which you might take a look for features
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i know, a few of them are very nice and have much nicer parsers than mine
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the main thing i want to get right is the event interface esp w/ regard to plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: basically once written a plugin must never break, other than that, swapping out the parser on the backend later is IMO a non-issue
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I think one important feature that all of them lack is proper split-screen support
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the current_output_window plugin should handle the need for that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sorry, caught ronus's line on plugins and nissim's on split screen...catching up on some -h, you're not talking about MUSH :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you've certainly got your work cut out for you if you intend to make a client better that MUSH, but good luck to you and i look forward to trying it out
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: one thing I'm implementing right now is a ruby proxy for tintin++... I'm a bit frustrated with tt scripting
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: tbh, so long as you don't intend on distributing it, you can make a MUCH better client than MUSH or zMud or TinTin or anything else - it is their customisability that makes them so good
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I think it would be pretty hard to make something with more features than mushclient.. we should shoot for a different goal
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: sorry was afk ceatching my scrolblack
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I, for example, like simpler clients (and do the programming myself)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: actually scripting, filtering, etc. is a fun part of mudding for me
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I really want a different target audience - people who currently wouldn't play a mud now but like a bit of retro, and people who currently play muds now and don't know what they really want :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: think how much fun filtering will be in javascript
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Isn't that what MUSH and its myriad plugins is for?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok i can't keep a straight face I hate string handling in javascript
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The thing about mush is it's so EASY to script for - pick a language, any language, and off you go
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: Try doing data structure manipulation in PhP and you'll wish you were doing that.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: been there done that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: any language?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Eh, speak for yourself Vakieh
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'd pick Haskell.. does it support it?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't switch to mush because I can't script anything for it.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I wrote a sauerbraten server in python before Buffer() existed
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I can script for cmud, I can't do mush.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok you guys ready for the great and terrible and somewhat bitwrotten unveiling?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: GUI clients just don't attract me... don't ask me why
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Haskell is not a scripting language :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Mmm. what's the difference?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Why don't GUI clients attract you, Nissim?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it could still make a very sane old-school client as well because you could share plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: <:|
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: about the only thing i don't think is feasible to support is non-buffered input
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: One communicates with O/S, the other communicates with higher level software.  The line gets very very blurred, but more or less if it can talk [
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: sigh...wrong key :D Anyways, if it can run on its own, it might not be a scripting language...except then there's vb...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: But you can call Haskell code from C and vice versa. And it's not even particularily hard.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: And Lua. And Python. And all other scripting languages I know of.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: calling one language from another doesn't make it a scripting language...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: i'd say if it's interpreted, it's pretty much scripting
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: haskell can work as interpreted (as can C, there are interpreters available), but it's normally meant to be compiled
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I would love if mush supported decent javascript implementation (V8) and nodejs plugins... can't pick those either. Right now, only reasonable choice in mush is lua
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: yeah, well, you can stretch it..
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and lua can be compiled, but is meant to be interpreted
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: pushing right now
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: there is al ot of dead cruft in teh branch if i remember correctly
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: https://github.com/robjcaskey/mudern
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Why would anyone choose to use javascript for anything they could avoid?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Lua is one of the horriblest languages I've ever written.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: gonna go walk the dog real quick
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh: cuz you choose to use what you're familiar with, and .js is used a lot, so people are familiar with it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: wow, I didn't know horriblest was a word!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: which is sad, lua creators made few unfortunate choices that still bug me, but it's still better than writing in ms jscript or perlscript
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you write in javascript at work, it's easier to simply not bother with Lua
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i prefer Perl, cause i know it already... don't know Lua
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Attempting to use SSI to make dynamic web pages is quite possibly the most horrible code I have ever written :-) all because the prof said it couldn't be done
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: vakieh> server side scripting in nodejs style is quite good, spent much of this year coding in that enviroment
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Randor Tech: real bots bot in machine code :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Rob, there's a picture of a fish in the root of your code
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh no, I mean html, css, and SSI.  That's it - no fancy js, no php or anything else :D
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: by ssi, what are you referring to?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: normally, for web pages, that'd be server side includes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Server side includes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not a language...it's just calling one page from another without telling the client to do it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It has an if else, and I fudged the rest :D
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok i'm back from teh dog walk
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: ozzy> I did few plugins in perlscript, because I knew the language. Not a good decision. Mush support for it is cludge - consider the work you must do just to get to contents of "wildcards" argument. And once you try to move to wine, you'll find another heap of problems
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Your dog walked you?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: all my perl zmud scripts are disposable really... only "fun" stupid stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: ronus, is the picture of a fish part of your client?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I mean, explicitly?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hehe, link me it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: it's there on the root
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: there are some placeholder image files that might have gotten sucked in
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I got it to work somehow, but now I must carefully avoid touching the wineprefix with mush installation. I tried to reinstall it in clean prefix recently, and had to give up
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: photo.JPG
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: oh yeah that's used for entropy and is critical to the function of the clieint
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: actually...I have no idea how that got there, that's my wife's pet goldfish
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: scripting should be simpler... your script gets all output from the mud, and sends input back. period.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: what you do in-between is your problem
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, most of my scripts never send input back :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wow...dug up that old uni work - http://pastebin.com/ZDGviUZ2   a good 30 pages all looking similarly to this one
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Nissim lemme blow your mind here, you might need to do something more than that
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: do it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: say you are searching for mob names
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sorry to interrupt you guys, is anyone here proficient with Symfony? I'd need some help.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not only not-proficient...never heard of it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I am google proficient at it as of right now :D
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and you want to add a context menu to them in my fancy pants mud client, you need to be inserting things into the dom
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wait, does your client actually use a webUI? Wow that's keen
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: right... but then you're talking about GUI building
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: when I was asked what it was like I said its like a web page
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so is anyone on a machine right now that doesn't have flash?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: iPhones don't have flash
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Does it count if I am on 2?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: ok, and how do you feel about using a web proxy :(?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Flash is kind of old and stale by now, isn't it?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: NOT stable enough for me.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I really hope the no iPhone flash is the nail in its coffin, myself
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I need a way to access sockets because they aren't accessible in javascript natively
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Right now, I've got a Flash thingamajig overlaid over everything else, even when the browser's far away!
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: otherwise i can proxy your traffic for you but that forces me or your mud to be a middle man which sucks but tha'ts life
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: java applet not do it for you?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Vakieh, stability on the java applet was very bad when I was using it so i'm keen to ditch it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Cizra: i'm sure Aarwolf's socket implementation will be fine but other muds probably won't get their act together
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, have you looked at the fmud and the java telnet which are on aard's "play" page? at least the one has quite a bit of scripting capability which is just not enabled
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I've seen clients connecting to aard on ports 23, 4000 and 4010... is there any difference?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope, no difference
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just whatever your firewall will allow out
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: k
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Abelinc, part of it is I want nearly nothing going on in flash or java- nothing 'smart' should be there
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: man this dns reg is taking forever
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: at least its not 2-4 weeks like my first one :(
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why would gpu be sometimes 40C idle, sometimes 50C
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's the dedicated one, not used when idling
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh actually
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: there's one temp only, so I dunno which one it is
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Hi! Do any of you know whether or not there is a soundpack for VIP Mud?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, there's pretty much nothing for VIP Mud
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Alright, I will just make one from scratch then.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Winkle has a sound pack for MUSHclient...can just grab the sound files from that and stick those into your VIP Mud trigs
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Where can I find his soundpack?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger winklewinkle
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the most part, you'll find very little peer support for clients other than z/cmud, mushclient, tinyfugue and tintin++, so hopefully you're pretty self-sufficient with vipmud
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although we have a pretty large VI community here...I know of about a dozen blind players offhand
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Yeah i can make a VIP soundpack. Was just checking if there was one already out there to keep me from having to do it myself.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: This game looks real fun. I would just like to have sounds to enjoy it even more.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: what was the send sintax with waiting?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: doafterspecial
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: thx
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: behold http://aardwolf.mud.mudern.com/
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so that's what it looks like so farish
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: But it needs Java!?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: thats the old java socket shim
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: hehe - I unstalled Java after learning about the latest security hole :(
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: How do we know this isn't just an elaborate ruse to get us all!?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you don't, welcome to the uncertain abyss of mdernity
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Still looks cool even without Java, when did you start coding this project?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: a year or so ago and i just bakc-burenered it a while
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: - h5
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone know what port websocket is suposed to be running?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh the metrosexual is Glitch I think
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: web port, 80
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You giggle in her presence.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so what's the endpoint supposed to be?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure what you mean
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: /someurl?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a different type of http request
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doesn't need its own path
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so is it being served out of wheatever is running www.aardwolf.org or handed throgh already? is it stil firewalled off?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, you're specifically asking about aard...it's not there yet
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is it WIP or stalled?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dunno why you would have thought it was ready
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i got the impression from talking to Lasher that it was far along but still firewalled off
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a new thing, nothing was ever announced about it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i have to admit, it kinda gave me the heeby-jeebys that it was being integrated right in instead of layered on top
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: esp. as at this point i'm not 100% sold that websocket really has traction and that something else won'te ventually sit on top of WebRTC
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but if you want to play with an even more borken version of the client you can go to http://aardwolf.mud.mudern.com/test.html
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: somethings up wth the minimap on that version though
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: btw how did I end up in the emerald clan room :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: everything is dark and i've tried open eyes and failed :)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: emerald has open clan rooms that anyone can walk into
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: north down from recall is their open hall
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: oh well recall got me out of there, :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: there, chat is slightly less annoying now
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Anyone knows how to use swfupload?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: - h3
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I think i looked at it like 5 years ago
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: (swfupload)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I'm a bit confused as what it exactly does to the files -- Does it create just the same POST request with the file, um, "somewhere"?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i think you probably specify a url and it posts the file there and gives some kind of callback so you know its working?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: on mush client using winkle's spellup plugin, is there a way to add spells that aren't part of the "spellup learned" command?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why would you want to?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: I wanted to add mind over body to the list of spells that it casts when it expires
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You could modify the plugin file to add it, sure.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: More trouble than it's worth, though. I'd just add a new trigger to recast when it expires.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: I'll just leave it be.  I'd screw up the plugin by tinkering with it.  
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You could get nohunger and never worry about it again.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: uh yeah, last time I wrote a script it looped and I had to close the client and remove it.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: yeah, I forget about that wish
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: mind over body doesn't "expire", it's a once off, so make a script that sends "hunger" and responds to a low threshold of percentage left
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or just use a timer to send it every xx minutes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or a trigger on the you are hungry/thirsty messages
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: yeah I can't write triggers.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes you can
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adele Tech: tried twice on a different mud to write a void trigger, and all it did was loop
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: copy the text you read, paste it into the trigger...type "c 197" in the big box...done
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's nothing more to it. even you can do it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hokage Ryuken Tech: Hey guys, haven't played in a few years, forgetting everything, i'm using mushclient anyone got a few minutes to assist me in setting up some scripts, like for the quest/spell ups please?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: start with the aardwolf mushclient package, then finger bast
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hokage Ryuken Tech: ahh, the one already "programed" from the website?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, and you can find boatloads of info on that one by fingering fiendish and going to his website...the wiki on his site is great
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (fiendish wrote/compiled the scripts for the aard package
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hokage Ryuken Tech: ok cool, ill give it a go, ive never been good at setting this stuff up myself.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok so I'm trying to understand mapper portals.  I have an amulet of the planes.  do I need to create an alias that takes it from a bag, holds, and enters, then add that as the portal in mapper?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: does it have to an in-game alias or can I use a MC alias?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: +be
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Exactly what you need to do.  I'd suggest creating one alias that you call with a passed value.  That way if you change bags or something you only update one alias, not 80.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'd actually recommend using a client-side alias
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MC is best, then you can use MC variables, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah client side is probably what you want
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You are limited to I think 60 server side aliases.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, thanks guys
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you're on Fiendish's wiki page on the mapper, there's a link to Hosch's tips page
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that tips page steps you through an entire thought process for portals
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle's site's wiki even has a tips page on using the mapper, with an example for a generic portal alias to help with your other portal aliases
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I added them all to my code favorites.  I'll check it out in more detail
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: all MC alias should be sent to Execute, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: depends what it does
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: send to execute means that it can call another alias within that one
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's sending literal text, or even variables, it can be send to world
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if it's using scripting functions, it has to be send to script
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I made an in-game alias that called a mapepr cmd and it wouldn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: too tired to type I guess
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, because the game can't send that command to MUSH
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: dur, that makes sense
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has to be typed into MUSH and captured by MUSH before being sent to the game
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only real way for an in-game alias to command MUSH would be for that in-game alias to echo some output that MUSH triggers on (whether by using "echo" or by sending some command with triggered output ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: having MUSH use the in-aard echo command allows you to basically "tag-ize" anything you want...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: oh that's cool
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, one more and I'm back to reading:  Can you create an MC alias from the command line?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's an FAQ entry on that ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on fiendish's site
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: that dang Fiendish  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok I lied, another question.  I want to execute xrt statements from my recall (clan recall).  Should I change my mapper portal recall to that room?  Should I set my runprefix to 'd'?
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you never execute xrt or mapper goto "from" a location
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: xrt works from anywhere...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper figures out the best way there from wherever you're standing when you type it
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: nope, it's not working from my clan recall
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: keeps dumping me an a clan room and complains
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Clan rooms can be tricky, since they are nomap.  Get your clan leader to flag recall as mappable, or use a mapper portal to use your clan portal AND leave the clanhall in one step
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: hidden exit? you might have to "teach it"
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your clan likely doesn't allow the mapper to see where you are when you're at crecall
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: just use mapper cexit
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it forces the mapper to learn exits...
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Put the garbage can in as a portal helps a bit to. the cexit as well.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Custom Exit CONFIRMED: nomap_Bootcamp Clan Hall_bootcamp (down) -> 32418.  still not working.  It's nomap
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the mapper can only learn exits for rooms it can identify
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: make your cexit walk through the nomap room.
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the issue is that it doesn't know where you're standing, not quite that it doesn't know how to leave there
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Like, start in a non-nomap room
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Riddim, he'll have to put it in the mapper portal command.  There are likely no non-nomap rooms (triple negative!) in the closed hall
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if boot has a private "area exits" room, then make portal exits to each of those areas where that portal alias does the usual clanportal, then runs to the right room
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can however, make a portal that uses your clan portal and then goes down (and one for other directions to, if you want)
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, I made a MC alias that uses my clan portal and down
T3/r7/2012-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: crec and arec
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: that's what she said
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's exactly what she said... you missed.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: ooh....
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm under the assumption that anything under the "Script" tab in MUSH's Plugin Wizard will execute upon first load of the plugin (i.e. each time MUSHclient loads with the plugin, or it's installed). Is this assumption correct?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: on win xp how do you[B[C[D[A[B[A[D[A[A[C open start menu without mouse?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: ugh
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ctrl+escape
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Windows key?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: or the windows key
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: thanks, work computer mouse left button broke
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: star... You can open control panel and swap left and right mouse clicks. Uh. But, just replace the mouse =p
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I just did
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: is why I wanted to open start :)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: fair!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Foul.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli is ambidextrous with his mouse.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Win+E, Alt+D, type Control Panel ... that works too
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mice are ruining computers!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So are keyboards.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Murphisto is agreeing with that Ozzy person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Touch tablets ftw!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It sucks when you archive 24GB and another 60GB of documents/downloads, then extract it to your external hard drive when you're ready to move it there... only to have the original archive corrupted and it extracts junk that no longer works. :(
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm actually hoping it's bad sectors on the external (which I'm scanning for now) and not archive corruption.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: could only use like scroll 100 for who... after fixing it, i can scroll 0 and do who
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i have 2 701c's and like 8 760XL's
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: someone's gone done reprogrammed the lower planes so room exits aren't numbered
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I really have to stop sharing when I think of new things
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: should I buy ssd
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: yes, a good one
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: does mush support prompts like cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: Hey guys, me and a few other players are having a problem when typing area with our mud clients. For some reason when we type area we get kicked from the game. Does anyone know why this might be?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: set pagesize
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: you likely have your pagesize set too high (or turned off) and the areas list is so long it's killing your telnet connection
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: set pagesize
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: aah, yeah I think we set ours to 0. Thanks for your help.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: poor client... use "scroll 100" see if that helps
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: just had this conversation on gossip last night... gmud32, old zmud, old tintin... all puked at around 100 lines recived from mud, some less then others
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Megaprime Tech: t
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: anyone know of a syntax highlighting file for UltraEdit that's out there for SQL? don't wanna reinvent the wheel
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why not notepad++?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://www.ultraedit.com/files/wf/MySQL5.uew
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: cause i already own ultraedit
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: am just used to it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: damn. it's pretty expensive for an editor :\
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khangar Tech: I'm using the mudlet client and this table keeps popping up every time I move to another room. Does anyone know how to remove it?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khangar Tech: Nevermind, it just stopped
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khangar Tech: and its back
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: Khangar--someone else may know more, but a quick google indicates you're probably using a beta version
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: And you're seeing debug info for the automapper. Try going into "triggers" and removing stuff that sounds related.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khangar Tech: Okay, thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how do you make clickable stuff on mush
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or prompts like on cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in cmud, you'd use MXP's send tag to make clickable stuff (unless you wanted to make a button).
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm asking how to do it on mush
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if it's possible
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i used to have buttons in mush... but aliases are easier
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: WindowAddHotspot
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Think it has to be inside a miniwindow
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: nah
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: any MXP in mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: does the main window count as miniwindow
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: If you're using AardMUSH, yes.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Otherwise, no
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: miniwindows are just an example of where to do it, you aren't required to use them in miniwindows.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: iunno if that's what's best for that
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I want to display sql table, and the things changeable
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I could make an alias, and use the uid
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but it'd be nicer if I just click on it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like sorting columns?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no like if the records are displayed
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I want to change a certain field
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I don't think hotspots work in the main window, but I might be wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: (but I don't think I am)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i use mxp for that
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye but you're on cmud/zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: althought there's no reason mush to not support it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: although*
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the more i watch you guys mess with your mud clients the more i'm convinced that i need to get my web-based client polished up :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: should, most dcent clients should, it's been around long enough
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: :)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It does
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's a bit like watching folks discuss the best way to open tin cans with rocks
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ronus.. i heard proxy, flash, and some other bad words... im out :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: as far as I know, miniwindows are nothing special.  Just a lot more extra code dedicated to window operation/emulation that would normally be internally handled in the "real code" of the application.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: dude Granite is far superior to limestone for opening cans and Johns already spent 30 hours perfecting his granite sphere
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: iunno I see the code needed I get a headache
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: needs to be less slavework
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What about miniwindows aren't the "real code"?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you need something to expose sockets, either flash or java or you must go through a proxy (which you can run yourself, admittedly a cop-out)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: expose sockets excites me
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: or eventually I suppsose socket support will get enabled and you can just ocnnect directly
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: websocket
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: on the plus side the other 99% is in plain-jane javascript + html
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: by real code, I was differentiating between script code and application code Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no applets to fuss with
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Scripts are just a way to interact with application code.  Just like clicking on the menus are, or making an alias is.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Just don't see what the fuss is about.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: a web client just seems like it would always be a downgrade over a stand alone client
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: why would it be inferior over a stand-alone client?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: generally the level of investment.  A good technology is still inferior if the Mike Potter's and Nick Gammon's aren't there to work it.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the required lvl of investment isn't 0 but it's next to 0 and the benefit is quite simply above and beyond what they can resoanbly offer
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can make a superior client to MUSHclient or Cmud with next to 0 investment?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not right off the bat
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: compared to the hrs put into creating mushclient  from scratch yes, yes I can
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: yeah, good luck with that
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://aardwolf.mud.mudern.com/ has about 40 hours in it so far
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: heh, no, you can't.  They've literally got 10-15 years on you.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that's using the java applet shim so all your traffic goes right between you and Aard
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: even if we discount most of that as old-tech stuff that's since been rewritten or updated, you're still looking at nearly 5 years of raw development.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so realistically in another 40 hours you could reimplement triggers and timers and flesh-out the plugin loading/unloading interface
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that's just not trew Hanslanda
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's justn...not
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And then you'd have 5% of the features of MUSHclient and Cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I'm sure there would be some stuff missing but nothing that couldn't reasonably be re-implemented in a plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: on top of all the development stuff, you don't have the market share and by extension none of the awesome scripting suites most of the rest of the users are using but are clueless about.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah it looks like you only spent 40 hours on it, doesn't work for me
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you script it with javascript
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Unless by "plugin", you mean "new client", then no.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I can script MUSH with javascript if I want to
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Or any number of other languages
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes but do you have a nice web-like DOM?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vixsin Tech: Anywhere to get combat sounds for Mush? I know Winkle has a general sound pack, but I'm looking for more commbatish sounds.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it run on a Mac or iPad?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Isn't that inherent in the fact that you can script in Javascript?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: can it stream sounds reasonably?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And there are dozens of people using MUSH on a mac connected to the mUD right now
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: well, several...maybe not dozens
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no it's not, node is aj avascript interpreter and there is no dom present
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And what's so special about your DOM that isn't provided by MUSH already?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: first of all, it's not my DOM its the standard browser DOM
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and second of all it means you can easily insert web content into it and that lots of people will immediately understand how it should be scripted
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: how secure is it?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and does it work in all browsers?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: first of all let's be reasonable, it is WIP code, it's not beta quality
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the flash shim neesd to be locked down so it can only initiate one socket connection , but other than that it is very secure - it is subject to the same sandboxing that every javascript app in your web browser is
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: an the proxy is...well it's a proxy, run yours local or wait for aardmush to implement websockets so you can connect directly
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, my question is pretty long, but I posted a note to tech board if anyone can help me out.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: read 1
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: doh :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So after your 40 hours, it is yet superior to the flash client that is already on the Aardwolf website?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: no but it 's pretty darned close to providing a superior experience. 
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And that one is far, far, far, less superior than MUSH or Cmud is.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: check out the chat plugin-majigger which has half an hour of work in it to see how it can cut down on spam for newbies
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so when you are a new player and trying to read your newbie chat spam while getting wailed on by a rabbit, you can actually see what people were saying to you
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and see those nice little buttons at the bottom? skills could be added there automatically as you learned them...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's not a huge accomplishment, every half-decent client can do that
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and you can push out new updates any time you want to your players so you don't have to have them downloading stuff all the time
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Myrkul: But his reasoning is the flash client cannot do that.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: A newbie player may not have a MUD client to use.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i wouldn't call the flash client half-decent though :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They may be trying Aardwolf out for the first time, using the flash client.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: a new player is going to get one real quick.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not necessarily. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modkit Madcatz Tech: His reasoning is also that it's going to be better than MUShclient with "next to 0 investment".  Which I don't believe.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, that, I can't believe either. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it doesn't even work on ie 9...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: can we agree that 80 man-hrs is a very very reasonable time investment?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: what?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: in comparison to mush, no we can't
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Even I do, you're not halfway to MUSHclient.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 80 man-hours is a weekend project.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei . o O ( there's only 48-72 hours in a weekend... )
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli SMACKS Leinei upside the head, wonder what he did.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: nope.  It's reasonable for a concept test, but the average user is going to drop your work very quickly in favor of something with far more support, features, and community offering (ie, other people's scripts).
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so in 80 hrs you could get drag & drop paperdoll working, proper chat support, proper automap, graphical help, seperate page buffers, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: go ahead and do it, ronus, and let the market decide
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well for one thing it would quite benefit from some server support, - just waiting a few months for Aard to enable WebSockts would make it alot more palletable to folks
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and secondly it seems prudent to ask for additional gmcp work to be implemented
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because it would make life better for mushclient users as well
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i agree on that one, i have some ideas i'll post at some point
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: in general just finding what people do and adding more gmcp markup seems like a no brainer
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you don't get any gmcp messages when you get a tell
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Yes you do
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes you do
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes you do.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: really?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: in the comm module
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: of course, along with all channels
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Better make that 81 man hours, eh?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's not just like any other channel
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes it is.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's identical :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: then why isn't it showing up next to newbie tech and gossip?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Because your client is sub-par.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause your client only has 40 hours of work in it, probably
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if it's 'just like' the other channels it should be showing up their regardless no?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: bah, etz beat me :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: From the gmcp.comm package: channel="chan=tell|msg=Etzli tells you 'Testing'|player=Etzli"|
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: What it "should be" doing depends on what your client does.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: gmcp.comm.channel.chan = tell, msg = Etzli tells you 'Testing', player=Etzli.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: brb with debug mode enabled
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now back to ignoring myself. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: hrmm i'm not getting that, etzi what lvl of comm are you claiming to support?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's sent in comm.channels, same as all other channels
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It's EXACTLY the same as every other channel
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: in comm.channels
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you get tech channel, you should get tells. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well i'm not getting it, i'm watching the raw wire
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And that is why your client is sub-par.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that's a show on TNT right?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: etzli: sorry to hear about your data :\
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thanks, Fiendish.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's so weird. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So what other gmcp info would you like to have?  Maybe all that already exists, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: item drop/adds?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I believe my thoughts at the time were more along the lines of "goddamnit this is $&#$ &^#"
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: new skills being added/removed
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That's in invmon
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: items are currently not sent via gmcp, but are handled by invmon.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can see a list of all the GMCP modules through wiki.aardwolf.com -> Client Protocols.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i've always wondered why invmon was never converted to gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i see $gmcp.comm.channel.<channel>.<text> for all, so what Etzli siad :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: spam, likely.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: couldnt be more spam then gmcp group info :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: we have far fewer groupmates than items being updated.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and you can't really assume most players are using autoloot off, so that's a lot of spam all by itself.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's gmcp it wouldn't show anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Unless you're getting items and skills while you're writing a note, what's the point of sending that info out-of-band?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hah, inventory management... with my eqsorter, I go through 200 pieces of equipment... ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why not? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ever seen $gmcp.group.* on an Inferno run?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I just want note tags so I can more efficiently capture notes.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I go through that just in pots.  I'm starting to think the imms are doping them up somehow.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: bandwidth is cheap, any kind of hosting at this scale is probably gonna have a bandwidth cap far in excess of what is used
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: most things in gmcp were available before too, didn't stop lasher from adding gmcp forms of them
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Stuff being sent through gmcp isn't to cut down on bandwidth
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if it were a cost issue, we wouldn't have lag.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I'm claming to support "core 1", "char 1", "room 1", "comm 1", "group 1"] wonder if i just bumped comm to like 999 if it would send me that stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: All my levels are 1. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah mccp is for reducing bandwidth
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it only takes ones and zeroes :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does this game really experience notable amount of latency on teh server-end?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but it makes sense to spam the living daylights out of folks with gmcp data basically
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the server doesn't need bandwidth.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and anyone who is so bandwidth sensitive that a few megs of JSON over a month is gonna impact their cap probably is better off without gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so like...no inventory management for folks on the IIS i guess
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: since reboot for me... Bytes In :   3284390 Bytes Out:    443760 Saving   : 86.49%. ... 3.2MB of data in... trivial even without MCCP
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You're missing the point.  Inventory management is already available with invmon.  What's would be the benefit of sending it out-of-band?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well you got one standard instead of 10 for one thing
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: char stats and stuff are already available with statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: any guidos on ?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and i already support statmon btw
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh sorry mis
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Only some of it is
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but even so, i'd think lasher would be ameniable to making all of it available via gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's a lot of duplication
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And that stuff can change without you ever seeing statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: doubtful, considering he said no when it was first implemented.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: all the comm.quest stuff was already available
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but anyway, it' doesn't seem at all unreasonble to me that a truely first class experience could be delivered via a web client
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: his main concern is to not make it too convenient for the wrong type of player.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: even if gmcp were enabled for invmon, im sure invmon would stay... so still supporting many "standards"
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the wrong type of player argument is quite simply a dumb one
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: the wrong type of player is already doing all that stuff and not being cought
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It seems unreasonable that a first class experience could be delivered with a web client that has "next to 0" investment into it.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but it's not, 80 more hrs and you could be rocking it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: then take it up directly with the guy coding all this stuff into Aardwolf.  If he says no, it'll have to be a damn good argument to convince him to change his mind.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: So, you're a third of the way to making a first-class experience?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: pretty much
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: vs mushclient which will _never_ get there
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: moreorless, Lasher doesn't WANT to put stuff into GMCP just to make it easier to script stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: mmkay, come back after 80 more man-hours, and we'll compare it to MUSH.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: But bots are people too!
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what's the point of gmcp if not to make it easier to script stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei is agreeing with that The Reaper Myrkul person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It's certianly not for telnet users
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but currently you can auto-walk to any room you have visited, script heals and combat spells, reply to tells, and probably a bunch more other stuff with any old client so i don't really see how much "worse" it could get
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: graph paper and pure repitition are quite simply on the way out as game mechanics for every genre of game
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's graph paper
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ronus :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arismis Tech: did anyone manage to get that LookScan plugin from the forums to work?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what forums?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arismis Tech: mushclient forum
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: trez: it's a paper with a grid pre-printed on it, back in the day yhou used to map the dungeon on it by hand and...well that was prety much the whole game
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I can offer a little bit of insight about the reason for things being in gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: that's hardcore
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: when I first started mudding you definately would ahve been perma-banned for posting speed walking direcitons
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because just finding your way around the game was 90% of the challenge
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Things go into gmcp because someone like me asks for them. Because Lasher values a client that he believes makes the game more enjoyable and interactive for a new generation of players, but either doesn't have the time or personal inclination to develop both the game and a client.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: when Lasher debuted GMCP here, we pretty much immediately asked for inventory management and a whole host of other stuff that originally wasn't part of the GMCP debut (players are easily able to keep the todo list large and full).  His first answer was that he wasn't going to do it just to do it.  There has to be a certain value to the inclusion beyond bot convenience
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: btw another nice thing i'd like to see added would be some kind of OOB encapsulation of the page buffer
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well everything i want I want for humans to interact with, not to script
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: if you make a script (ideally for mushclient! *nudge*) that does inventory management well in a way that is improved by gmcp then I'm sure he would add it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: I'd like to see a way to rearrange group members in group window :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not impossible
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: Fiendish, i'm working on my own crappy client
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: also how many mobs/players are on each member would be nice :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: that information is not transmitted
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I know :(
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: write an addition that uses that information and then ask for the data. he'll probably oblige
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm feeling less and less optimistic, we will see. We've traded a few emails but he hasn't been super-responsive
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and the bashing on this chan didn't help much, I bet
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: for motivation
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mine or his?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: people don't seem to support you
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: that's fine, my feelings aren't easily hurt
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: which I found a bit rude :)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not saying I don't support him.  I just think he's delusional if he thinks he's a third of the way to surpassing MUSHclient.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I may be wrong but I'm not delusional sheesh :p
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: basically what i'm proposing is that the last 10 years of mush client development have been on a dead end path
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why do you want to make another client
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: your project is potentially interesting, but I don't think it's significantly useful until you have some of the more interesting tools that people really like
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because i want something that runs through the web without any friction
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Granted, I didn't actually look at the link you provided, so perhaps you'll suprise me.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and where server admins can manage plugins and push them out
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and players then can supplement as they see fit
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: thing is, some people have written plugins for mush, which your client will lack
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then you'd have to find developers to convert
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: a single good developer can make that happen. it just takes time
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: honestly i'v not been impressed by any plugins iv seen
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, the main thing tying me to cmud is that i have so much custom stuff written, i really don't feel like taking the time to convert it all to mush
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: before mush was popularized here, most nice scripts were on cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: most nice scripts were on zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and some things i Just have no interest in like MSP
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you could just make do, make your own cmud stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: cmud did not gain significant traction
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and because those scripts didn't get converted, a lot chose to stick with zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: bad enough converting from zmud to cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Have you used AardMUSH at all?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've actually converted some CMUD scripts to MUSH.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: yes, it's really not the bees knees
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And vice-versa.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it's just better than what was before it
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ronus: I think you're just too egotistical and think you're better than everyone else.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so have i, etz
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: cmud is not "better" then cmud imo
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: zmud*
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Imho Cmud is the best client, the only thing wrong with it is its developer
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Each client has its own pros and cons.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: stuff was easier to script on zmud/cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: tech that's fine, i'm not, i'm at bets a slightly above-average coder
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Main con with cmud being Zugg :(
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: zmud has almost an entire client's worth of bugs just from ZMud era that have since been fixed.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yet you're saying that none of the plugins are "impressive."
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I think we should all get over the "I'm a better coder than you" thing
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: when i upgrade a client, i dont expect to lose functionality
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Plugins really aren't meant to be "impressive."
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but never once have i thought 'man this is the way mud mail should work'
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mush is way ahead of cmud now, for new players
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But then again, I guess an impressive thing about the chat plugin is that it correctly captures tells, whereas yours can't even detect them through gmcp. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for new to clients people, yes Trez
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: no, not really.  The only reason to claim that is purely that you have more scripters pushing out scripts in mush for the non-scripters to bot with.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: actually I left everything behind on cmud and switched to mush, thought I'd be sad but I feel fine
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that's my issue.. having to start over
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Triggers: 2530 Aliases: 496 Variables: 784 Paths: 0 Macros: 51 Class Folders: 543 Mapped Zones: 290 with 31788 rooms. Menus: 9 Tabwords: 81 Status Windows: 6 Directions: 10 Buttons: 18
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ozzy: You're not the average script writer, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and mapping on mush is mini orgasms, compared to zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no thank you :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: there woudln't be anything to start over with, you'd keep using your own client and you would log in and see if the new client looked like it did what you wanted and then you would be done
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So you did lose functionality due to something with Perl. Kinda sucks, but that's not the average person.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: have you played a mud where none of these plugins were available ronus?  my previous mud i had the opportunity to write a comm log / statmon / spellup tracker myself.. much fun, but it does take a bit of time to get right
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nodnod... too much i can do in zmud mapper that i couldnt in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: mye yes, I've been mudding off and on for over 15 years
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so I understand they are better than nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: also, in ZMud, almost everyone did nearly everything wrong.  It worked in ZMud because Zugg tried to ensure your mistakes worked.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy nods at TrEz.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: MUSH has about 650 script functions built into it.  Even if you could code each in 3 minutes, that's half of your 80 hours right there.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: which is cool and nice
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in CMud, he changed the mode of thinking so that CMud forced you to do stuff the right way.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i don't care about feature parity, i care about providing a better experience
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and that's what ruined cmud Hans :P
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so if mail works the way you expect it to, skills get added to your bar, help is graphic, who makes a list that scrolls instead of spamming you, and mobs have a health bar underneath their picture, tehre we go
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mail?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli wasn't aware we had mail here.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And I think I prefer my helpfiles in text.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: I've done somethings the same way in zmud since 1995... then zugg tossed that in cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: graphic help? didn't the help box get nixed a few versions ago because people didn't like it?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I actually have the help displaying in its own window on CMUD. Does make it easier to read.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I have a plugin that does that, too.  But it still keeps it in text form
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: nods etzli .. the default mush one went away, though (i personally preferred it, but oh well)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'd hate to see what a graphic form would be like... everything in iPhone emoticons...
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: a bitmap of the helpfile
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The plugin is probably still available somewhere, Mye.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: also i'd like to see some kind of setting indicating something needed to stay in monotype
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: help window is even nicer with MXP links to Keywords, Categories, and Related Helps
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it is, the aardwolf plugins section on the mush site
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because i'm tired of monospace fonts
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: sorta like a browser for help
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'd expect that just like skills got suggested on your bar help topics would too as you came to need them
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how does it know what helpfile you need?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it reads your mind that you're wondering about TPs?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You get a message from the MUD when you learn a new skill
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well when you learned a new skill, or as part of your newbie school
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: he's gonna build a fully-fledged AI to detect it in 80 hours obviously, abe
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is a plugin that gives you a clickable "bar" of helpfile topics
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but that's the experience new players should have when they click play now through the web interface
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and basically new players should just not have to worry about their cilent, they should jsut come play and know they are getting a very good and optimized experience and that someone doesn't have a massive leg up on them because they sat around implementing 3rd party plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That's what AardMUSH is for
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And that's something you cannot do in 80 hours.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: AardMUSH comes preinstalled with plugins.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does AardMUSH get new plugins?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: It gets updated all the time, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ronus: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: automatically?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: With yours, either A) I can't use a plugin with your client unless you specifically approve it and add it, or B) Yours isn't going to be automatically updated with 3rd party plugins, either.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: With your client, you take away free will.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: dude he's got me, can't argue with that
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I get a message that tells me when a new version of MUSH is available, if I want.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i am depriving you all of your free will
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And I can update it if I wish.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you know what the deal with the devil is? if you use the web client that's run and administered by your mud, you have to trust them
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and if you choose to run your own client, then you have to maitnain all the plugins yourself
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Likewise, we'd have to trust you. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: you could run your own copy or use another person you did trust
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I'm all for improvement of the web interface. I think you were on to something there.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hey Ixle, trying to tell you but you're invis :)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ixle: He may be, but to say that it's better than MUSHclient after putting only 40-80 hours into it is laughable.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I've pushed stuff to my github repo, try it out when you can
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i do, I think it can provide a better play experience with 80 hours of customization/bug-sqwashing
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I have no problem with him trying to create a nice web client.  But I don't think he's a third of the way to surpassing MUSHclient
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'v got 40 hours in it so far, so i  said another 80 and you'd be there
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but let me clear, i don't care about you, go ahead and use what makes you happy
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: awww
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: TrEz hugs Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you're spending too much time arguing on tech
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: And by "you", you mean everyone else besides me, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: ...right? :(
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Leinei I care about you
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i mean everyone wh ois happy
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if they are happy, I don't care what you do
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Ronus: Even hitler?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: even Hiteler, if he wan'ts to use tiny fugue to play his mud I don't care
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That was so full of grammatical fail that I can see why your comm package doesn't capture tells.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: guess its a good thing i didn't get that degree in english education after all
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: but as long as you keep measuring up against mushclient your not likely to be too happy with anything. MushClient is pretty much what you expect it to be for the kind of client it is. What i'm saying is that kind of client is relatively niche and after close to a decade hasn't delivered on the promise of what was pushed via Pueblo and friends all those years ago.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I agree.  You shouldn't be comparing it vs. MUSHclient or Cmud.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and you should be nice to Leinei
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, I love the sneakiness of installers. That's why it pays to read. Click Skip on browser addons, a pop-up comes up and says, "Click Ok to install the addon or click cancel to skip the addon."
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Also great when there are two tickboxes right on top of each other for two different optional things.  One you have to check, and one you have uncheck, if you don't want them.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm under the assumption that anything under the "Script" tab in MUSH's Plugin Wizard will execute upon first load of the plugin (i.e. each time MUSHclient loads with the plugin, or it's installed). Is this assumption correct?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What is the purpose of the "Script" tab, then?
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to define scripts/functions used by the plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: well, you define a function by runign code that defines it... in that sense yes, you are correct. It's what will be put in the <script> element inside the plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you open a plugin .xml...90% of the plugin's functionality is usually in the script section
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's what I was going for.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm adding a save function to tables, wanted to make sure I didn't have to initialize it every time the command was ran.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So as long as the functions are created when the plugin is installed/initialized, I'm good to go.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've only used the plugin wizard once, out of my 8 posted plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks at your saying. 
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I use it for most plugins, it generates you a unique id... but I clear the script tab every time
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: really all I'd use it for is the header...everything else is better done in a text editor
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: going to edit -> generate unique ID does that too, huan ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it'll automatically make your current MUSH version the "required" version, even if you don't use any newer functionality...I wish it had a way to test for "functionality level"
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, ive seen that be an issue ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2012-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: has anyone tried razer moray headphones
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: does anyone know about a mapper for mudlet? I do not know any scripting
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't think one exists.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why use Mudlet? Not able to use MUSH or something?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one exists, but if you don't know scripting, I'd suggest not using mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: ah okay I just really like the mushclient set up
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: it's because I have a mac and I've already been doing well with the mudlet aardwolf ui
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you like the mushclient setup, then use the mushclient setup ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: I feel like there was a "don't" in there
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mushclient will run on a Mac
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: oh god okay I'll look that up right away
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: I'm using mudlet on linux and also okay with it :D
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: okay i've looked it up and yeah I don't want to use wine for mushclient nor do I want to virtualize
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger fiendish, he's the guy that creates the aard mushclient package...his site for mushclient has a nice wiki with FAQ, one of the prominent entries is using it on Mac and linux
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you're doomed for zero good reason :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: haha okay I mean I don't mind doing what I've been doing looking up the maps on the wiki just thought it'd be nice to have an ascii map
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: thanks loads I'll be contacting Fiendish
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would be nice, and it's trivial for you to have it...but you "don't want to"
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You already have an ascii map.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish will tell you how easy it is to run MUSHclient...dunno what other help you think he'll be
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he codes for MUSHclient, not mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: oh okay then I guess i'll research mushclient more 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What do you mean "research it more?" 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Fiendish's build already comes set-up for most stuff, just need to drag some windows around.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but MAG includes an ascii map...it just doesn't include the NON ASCII map
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: meaning running it on wine since I'm on a mac
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what's to research?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's a download link on Fiendish's page...double-click that, unzip fiendish's MUSHclient zipfile, and you're done
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: oh abelinc the medium sized map
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not ASCII
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ASCII is text, not boxes and lines
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when you type "map", THAT's the ASCII map
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Which is why I said that they already have an ascii map. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ferrumanimas P sorry getting mixed up from dwarf fortress and my roguelikes
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Err, those are ASCII as well
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: ok I'll stop digging myself a hole 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for that type of mapper on mudlet, click downloads, then notice where it says If you'd like to obain the unreleased 2.x series versions of Mudlet, which contain the mapper and a host of other upcoming improvements, go here
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just realize that it's been "upcoming" for 2 years now...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: okay
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: But seriously, Fiendish's build of Mushclient has all the stuff set-up already, it is pretty convenient if don't like to fiddle around with stuff. There are also a plethora of player created scripts you can use with it, if making your own is something you're not comfortable with.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: And running stuff through wine is nothing to be scared of
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: It's an easy program to run through WINE, anyways, no additional tinkering/set-up needed. Doesn't even need to install :)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: wine just irks me but if the compatability is gold then why not. Okay I'll try it out.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: let's put it this way...both Gammon (the guy that writes MUSHclient itself) and Fiendish (aard MUSHclient package guy) have used MUSHclient under wine as their primary use of it
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: wow, that sold me
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Kinda like me ssh'ing from windows to linux just to use tintin a lot :p
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: I really love the community in this game
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: extremely helpful
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: i've asked this before but someone said that we cannot donate unless it's open or something of that sort
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: correct, he opens donations a couple times per year
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: They're usually open by Christmas in case someone want to donate in someone else's name for a gift.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: If not before that, of course.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ferrumanimas Tech: Great i'm sure to help support this because everyone in every channel has been so helpful
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Yea, meconium. Couldn't remember the word.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delii Tech: is there a way on mushclient to bind shift + w,a,s, or d to movement?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: write a script with accelerators
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delii Tech: I have no idea what that is
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Seems like a bad idea to bind shift-<letter> to movement.  Unless you don't like capital letters.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: look up the accelerator function
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as with very many MUSHclient questions...finger fiendish, go to his site on the MUSHclient package
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delii Tech: I used that with mudlet and it's what I'm used to just wondering if there's an easy keybinding on mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Abelinc, you need a new alias.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when on his site, click wiki, click client FAQ
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you want the wiki entry on macros
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Delii Tech: okie dokie
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Using Gmud32 whats a good trigger setup to keep my dude online?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrokenBot Covenant Tech: Spyinfo : Lasher takes out his big Nuker and points on Snooky.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Triggers to keep your guy online are okay I thought?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: they are afaik
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: they are.  or else spellup scripts wouldn't be allowed.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DaRicoDude Tech: anyone used synthesia?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Squeeky Kroz Tech: anyone familiar with zmud 7.21 and win 7 problems?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it worked fine here
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Squeeky Kroz Tech: tried run as admin and doesn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if ran as admin
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: run as administrator, don't put anything in program files
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Squeeky Kroz Tech: as in didn't even open the window
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Win 7, and perhaps vista, idk, split program files into program files and program data.  If a program attempts to edit its directory in program files, all hell breaks loose most of the time
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Squeeky Kroz Tech: funny thing is.. 7.04 works on this win 7, 7.21 doesn't
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 7.04 might not keep temp files in the program directory where 7.21 doesn't - idk though, using mush as I do
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: install to a directory outside of program files?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: where 7.21 does*
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Squeeky Kroz Tech: k, i'll try
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Anyone know an app available on Nook for mudding?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I wonder how much mudding shortens the life of a touch screen
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: probably significantly.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No more than something like fruit ninja...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Miss the fruit? damn screen better be made of titanium.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Velian snickers with Vakieh about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: you could meld the 2 together and mob ninja, a few slices and the give you exp
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Link some form of aard bot to moves on a kinect or something...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: All t9s suddenly winning rl marathons for some reason
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: GQ speeds increase by rapid pelvic thrusting, of course.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: And your mom is mysteriously rubbed raw between her legs?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: the pelvic thrust is the xrt shortcut
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Nah, Dad's turn tonight
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling gives Vakieh a nod, saying, "OK".
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: odd conversation for tech....
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: it didn't start so odd
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok, mapper portal question:I have a Share Ownership portal to Prosper Island.  Do I need to be standing in the room that the portal takes you too when I add it to the mapper portal list?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok thank you.  I'm just now getting portals to add to my mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's quite alright, you can hug me if you want
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'll buy a drink and call it even  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: fine
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rebbit Tech: how can i get my miniwin events window to show? if i type 'mev windows' i get 2 lists and both the 'shown' thingys are set to false
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rebbit Tech: im referring to bastmush
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: mev windows
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: oops :)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: "mev events show" should do the trick
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rebbit Tech: perfect! thanks :D and great work by the way :)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: not on live, on our usertest. we don't touch our "live" servers
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: mt. 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: anyone have a MC curse filter script?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: turn curse channel off?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: not for the curse channel, for other so-called "PG-13" chans. 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: dont think there is one
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: it would be nice to be able to capture text (GMCP maybe?) before it hits the screen
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Such as what? All channels flagged PG-13 are no-curse, and the Imms will deal with people breaking those rules. Other channels like immtalk and global clan aren't PG-13, and as such cursing is allowed. You just have to turn off all non pg-13 channels if you wish to not see curses
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: sadly, it's ct mostly.  Their are waves of adolescence...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: ct isn't pg-13 :P
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: You can turn of clanchan too, I've done it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: depends on the clan and their rules
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: not the kind of thing I want my kids walking by and seeing, ya know?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: You can do it all in a one-line regexp if the desire is that strong. Just replace it with *'s and omit the original output and print out the string with the sub'd *'s
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you dont want to see yout children someone cursing but you dont mind them seeying you type "kill child"?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: touche'
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: kill child merely implies strict discipline.  naughty words, though.....words hurt.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: wow, godaddy is down
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: they've been completely screwing my DNS all day
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: horrible webhost.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Drunk'ing Abel Tech: yeah, i don't host with them, just use them for url redirection. 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: anyone here?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Chaz Bono Cheezburger nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun shakes his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: just you
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: do you know anything about line of sight wireless airials?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Chaz Bono Cheezburger shakes his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: negative, sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Wit.. just ask the question, I think. Would be best.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: well i want to know how to set it up
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: i live on a farm and the isp is giving me a hard time with no infrastucture.. thus my buddy told me about these things and wanted to know more info.. i got the info and it seems like it will work but have no clue how to set it up
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Well, on a farm typically you have trees... any obstruction on a LOS will cause havoc
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: yeah.. what you're looking for help wise doesn't seem like something a quick question on tech can help you with.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: i guess so heh
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You'd probably have better luck looking in to the mesh websites... But depending on the distance you'll need a pair of direcitonal antennas, and a pair of repeaters/wireless access points
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: and enough elevation for the antennas to get above anything obstructing your line of sight (tree lines, hills, other houses, etc)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: yes that sounds like the stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: And depending on the elevation of the initial signal, you'd have to measure out the height of each antenna/repeater
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: A compass, accurate GPS device and a map will help.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: You'd need it high enough to pass over trees/barns/etc, but not so high that a slight gust will snap it in half
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: How far of a link are you attempting?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: lol cheeze
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: 20kilometers
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Give up now.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: I have to agree with Dalo
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: crap
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not going to get 20km on a line of sight...you can get to your neighbor's house with line of sight
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Any change in elevation, like a hill that is in the distance, can make it nearly impossible to do
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Longest links i've ever heard of were in the range of 1.5 miles or so, which is 2.4 Km
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: line of sight means literally, you can see the other guy from where you're standing...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: well there is no hills etc here.. its like a flat plato
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: ... plateau
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's curved earth
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Well, depending how many repeaters you have, but yeah 20km is a stretch for even several dozen repeaters
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I've seen 11miles with high power LOS WiFi, but that's it
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: doesn't matter, wit. Curved earth, enough atmosphere in the way... Its not going to happen =p
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: ok i get what you guys are saying.. thanx.. 
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: However
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: You'd be better off digging your own fiber lines :P
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I will offer an alternative idea.. have you looked in to air cards? something from like Verizon or ATT?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: run a twisted pair and set up your own dsl lol. you can run older dsl modems back to back.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: They give internet access over the cell networks
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Dalo, he'd likely only be able to get 3g on a farm (depending on proximity to major cities) and the connection would probably be pretty spotty (again, that depends on your area)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: Okay, let me put it to you this way, do you have a survey grade optical instrament to *aim* this bease? because the error for one minute, 1/60th of a degree is just over 40 inches per mile of distance...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: thing is on the cell networks here you only get about edge conection.. think that is about 30k line and is super expensive
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: There's also things like HughesNet, which is satellite internet, but I've heard some bad reviews.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Possibly, cheez. But not sure if he was familiar with them as an alternative, is all
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: hughesnet is garbage from what I've heard.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: pretty much what i've heard too, fates, but when no other alternatives work, you take your lumps
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: My understanding of hughes, which may or may not be accurate, is it still requires a phoneline for uploading, and the dish is only used for downstream
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but to quote ferris bueller...I don't even have a piece of crap, I have to envy your piece of crap...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: and its a very expensive option
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: I thought it used the dish for UL and DL
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: i very well could be wrong, I've never dealt with it, just looked into it a while back
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Checking.. But I thought that was the problem with the dish - is that they were recieve only, because you couldn't generate enough signal with a small dish to transmit out
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some of their satellites support duplex, not all
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: your dish almost certainly doesn't have the transmitting power to reach a satellite, typically satellite internet uses a phoneline upstream
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: I can guarantee you won't get no 4-5 mbps upload, but I think you could hit .5 - 1.5 periodically on duplex enabled dishes
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Did it say the UL rates where you looked, Abe?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's been a couple years since I looked, my sister uses sat
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: ahh, thought you just looked
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: apparently there is 2 way sattelite internet, without the need for phone.. my mistake. Seems more oriented at businesses and such
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: In the US mentions requiring FCC licensing to operate a transmitting sattelite, but not a receiving one.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: it apparently also has a competition, wildblue which claims to be 'up to 12 times faster download and up to 5 times faster upload.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: If they have claims like that, what's their cost rate?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Changling Tech: Apparently sites hosted on godaddy are on a blacklist for some other site godaddy hosts. I would like to switch hosts, but want to make sure I don't have the same problem with another host. Is there a site which would tell me if a hoster is blacklisted somewhere as I don't want to change and have the same problem. I have no been able to find something like what I want via google.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nobody but the blacklisting site could tell you what they're blacklisting...
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: they start at 49.99/month.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: Are you dealing with their DNS issues today?  it's been messing things up immensely
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that being said, there are email blacklist lookup sites
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: That's not godaddy's doing, that's the site itself.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Godaddy is a piece of garbage, and I applaud you for your desire to change.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: I've never heard of a host site blacklisting other sites it hosts, that just seems counterproductive to their goals.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Changling Tech: the host site isn't blacklisting, its blacklist filter that is blacklisting godaddy sites so that we have clients that don't receive our emails as they are filtered out (in this case the blacklister is DNSBL.AHBL.ORG)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Gothic Shuag Tech: how much data does mxit use?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Changling, http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx is a nice place to check for blacklists, but remember that blacklists are checking domains or IP ranges, NOT hosting providers
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: shuag: most SA cell providers have plans which don't count mxit's data usage against you
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Gothic Shuag Tech: so we use little "bandwidth" (sorry, half asleep, just read help mccp)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I didn't say you use little bandwidth, I said your provider generally doesn't charge you
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mxit users doing any given task use 5x the bandwidth that a player using a client doing that same task uses
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not a lot of bandwidth in terms of Internet browsing, but when multiplied by 400 players it adds up on the server
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: I'm getting into MUSHclient again, and I can't load web pages. How can I make a trigger write to a variable? (I'm going to make an alias that will need this variable!)
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: Anyone for MUSH?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: Nevermind, got it.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: Hmm how do I keep the fn key so that it stays on like caps lock?
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you don't.  It's a key that works like shift.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I guess you could just put a weight or something on it, though.  Same result.
T3/r7/2012-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: lol thx
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Why are cell phone companies marketing their phones entirely around some esoteric feature of a single app that 90 percent of the comparable phones out there can also perform?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: what operator is <>?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: in lua
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lua does not use <>
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: if NOT (expression) then
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Lua is also case sensitive
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: my bad, it's sql...which means it's not equal
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: lower case 'not' then
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daresia Tech: which unfortunately is exactly what I hoped it didn't mean (but thought it did).
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure why you'd hope it doesn't mean something
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: but you probably have a reason
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}/2.M.F.L Justa Tech: HOLLA
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}/2.M.F.L Justa Tech: I Am ADmin FOr a fb page but I Can't change the profile picture \
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: is there any way to set the volume of a trigger sound in MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try ShowTriggerInfo or ShowTriggerDetails
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: How do I save as to desktop?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warchyld Tech: whats a good website for plugins besides winkles?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Warchyld Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: snooky, not sure what you mean...file -> save as, click desktop
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: awesome thanks Abe you are the master!
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: btw abe you can change triggersound properties by using PlaySound and removing the sound attribute from the trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, sorry, I misread "set" as "see"
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: anyone know a link to a bag sorting plug?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: try googole madcatz sorting plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ls -h /dev/coffee.mug: No such file or directory.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: hrm... shouldnt it be: ls: cannot access /dev/coffee.mug: No such file or directory
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Marsa is agreeing with that Ozzy person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that's what i got :P http://www.conradshome.com/sshot.png
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: apparently, daikojun has rooted version of ls that hides his coffee :)
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Coffee/
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: lol, I actually made coffee with linux back in the day
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I use a kettle...
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: and yes, I had to use a styrofoam cup today.  My mug is indeed AWOL
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I still perk over a wood fire.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I just eat the granules
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Granules? You drink...instant?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I don't drink coffee.  I experience it  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: Oh yeah. I do have real coffee but I'm too lazy to make it most of the time.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: big taste difference for me.  Instant vs perk
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: instant vs perc, basically two different drinks imo. I like both.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: not a french press?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Perk? Ye gods men, get espresso machine
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: super fresh coffee is actually a little sweet naturally
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Although, 3 years as a barista has left me a coffee snob who has to drink tea when at other's houses...
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: kis broke my last esp/capp machine
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: most of mine is like my feelings for my ex.. a lil bitter
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: kids*
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: instant coffee is just a different type of tea
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: got one of those too, eh?  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: we perk at work but at least it's a Bunn machine with filtered water.  Columbian.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tangel Tech: free wisecleaner giveaway due to godaddy outtage http://www.majorgeeks.com/story.php?id=35698
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: I am using Winkle's extended mapper plugin, I created some cexits and added some portals to the mapper, I want to get rid of them, I tried reinstalling the plugin. but they are still there,  any suggestions?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: mapper help tells you how to delete portals and exits
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: they are stored in the mapper db.  check out 'mapper help'
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ^what Cera said  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tank Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: So is there a command to update the version of MUSH being run on a certain computer without going to the site?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: No, you have to go to the site and download the new install.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: Don't think so
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: So is the version of MUSH that loads the Aardwolf login screen automatically specifically for Aardwolf?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yes, but that doesn't stop you from using it to connect to other muds
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: Yes it is, but you can use it for other muds as well
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just stock mushclient with some plugins pre-installed
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: It has been customized for aard and comes with many useful plugins.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it can do everything the normal mushclient can do
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: "Other MUDs!?"  Blasphemy!!
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: What I mean is, does it require a different download from normal MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you want the plugins pre-installed, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: Yes, you can get the url if you finger fiendish.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: y'know when you go on vacation to some place like Zimbabwe and come home and appreciate what you have even more?
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: that's why everyone should play other muds.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you could just add them to the normal mushclient if you want
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Razor looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: the regular MC package in at Nick Gammon's site.  THe Aard MC package is hosted on Fiendish's project page
T3/r7/2012-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if only there were some kind of web client where you didn't hav to keep downloading and fiddling with add-ons
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: real time observation of valence motion
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: valence electron.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: why does the mapper in mush have such a hard time figuring out the first room of an area?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Mapper does nothing of the sort
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You might mean SnD stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: It doesn't try to figure it out, is why. If you're referring to Winkle's plugin, you have to set some rooms manually. It's not what "it figured out" it's where the room was set to by Winkle initially. In many cases, it is set to the first room in an area with mobs, or, in areas with multiple entrances, to a common point between them all. You can set it to something better for you, if so desired (the portal entry point, for example)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah yes
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah the funny thing is some areas i have to keep resetting
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: and ascent just doesn't want to work at all
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: you lack a custom exit.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: I think you should try making sure you're using the current version for everything, and running Mushclient with proper privalges. I've not had that problem. You may be firing off poorly made cexits, as well, which would make it "not work"
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: there's a custom exit in ascent runto?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: climb chain
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah i didn't know that was legal...
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: {.(goto chaosMESO);run 3sw4n4w;.(climb chain)} is my sw atm
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: There are a number of areas that have a custom exit to get it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Vidblain, Fantasy Fields, ang Astral Travels, to name a few
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: never had problems with those areas
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Chess, and Melody as well, iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And Reliquished added a cexit where there was none before
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim nods at Vakieh.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: call of heros...
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: and quite a few areas need a custom exit to go past the first room or two!
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: well, that's understandable
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: You should write a note saying all these areas are illegal :)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: why?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: To point out the problems you've uncovered!
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: go for it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Kevlar - DIY instructions ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: build a kiln and just make some hard armor its more relieable and doesn't degrade to the resistance of nylon in 3 years
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: I want something bullet proof - not the high end ceramic class IV stuff just handgun 9mm proof - am all over the liquid shockspreading stuff but illegal in OZ
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: pig proof 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: since when has "illegal in oz" meant anything to you?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: since I can't find any ? army don't use armor Scurv ? - N G'day cheers - lol perhaps the wrong word but mentor is very happy I'm not drinking so much 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: seen some cool hybrid systems that could be home brewed in theory but would take some experimenting using the idea of absorbing the impact force over a larger area by interlocking small hard armor sections
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: they are trained to shoot zones - is all about spreading from those zones - knockdown effect is a torso shot - articulated gut plates need to be linked to a single fluid bladder apparently - have met some interesting ppl with my new hobby 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: what are the gut plates in armore called ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: armour*
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: OZ army does use armor 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: why can't I buy any ?!?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: what are you planning to do that will result in the police shooting you?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Scury innocent ppl are shot all the time by the well meaning ploice force  in the US - 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Scurv - I am trying to better myself  ? is that not ok ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: this world is not safe - you might have noticed ? I am merely prepared ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: are you what they are on about me Scurv ? Dog much ?  nothing - not even a non prescription drug - so stop trying 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tzadkiel Tech: Scurv -I wanna chat Briefly - pls  send me a tell ? 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: is there a script that sorts a container/bag?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: I'm sure there is. I don't know where to get it, though. :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: Didn't Madcatz make one?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: try searching for madcatz esorter on bing!
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Papa Johns Tech: Thanks, Mendaloth. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: invsort command not do what you want?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: think bast or madcatz had one but it would cause lag if you had other large plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pondering Penthesilea Tech: MUSH Container Sort: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQcSJ7QDH5gyZGMzdDRkanZfMGduajRoczNr&hl=en
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Papa Johns smiles happily.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: invsort lies to me.  I know my bag is a mess  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: looks simple enough.  thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: trying to serialize and save a table but
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: something is wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the values of the table on plugin install are nil
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but the newly added only
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so I think it's loading the previously saves table which had some elements as nil
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can look at the plugin saved state directly
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: look what in it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: state/<world_id>-<plugin_uid>.xml
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no I want something more universal
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: start with something specific and generalize
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you're not saying anything right now
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: for now you are trying to diagnose bug, if you look at that save state, you'll know if the problem is in saving or loading
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have a lua table
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have onplugininstall and onpluginsavestate functions
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: they work fine but something is wrong cause if I add more elements to the table directly in the script
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: they are nil
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I change/set values with an alias, they save fine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's not a bug I'm just missing something
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: does it make sense what I'm saying ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I think the issue is
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I need to add onpluginfirstinstall
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or some such event
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: since I think it's overwriting my script lua table with what's already saved
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: there is no such thing as onpluginfirstinstall
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what if my script's table is newer than the saved one
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: which it's overwriting mine with
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if I look at plugins that use the save/restore mechanism, restoring is done at the script level, not in any onXxx callback: loadstring(GetVariable('eqset_data') or 'eqset_data = {}')()
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: i never touch lua but in vbs onplugininstall i have if "variablename" isempty then setvariable "variablename", "whatever" else setvariable "variablename", getvariable("variablename")
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: thing is it's not empty, it just has less elements
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hm
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: any other ideas ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: is there a possible name conflict?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I set it manually with alias it works fine from then on
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: problem is on first install I want it to be populated from the script, on next installs to be populated from the sved
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: do you have the values hard coded into the script?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: for the first install
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: one element doesn't exit in the saved serialized variable
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so it overwrites the script one
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: the line I posted little ago does just that. On first install it effectively calls loadstring("eqset_data = {}") which will initialize it to empty table. On subsequent installs, the variable is defined and restored
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: with one less element
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I don't want it empty :P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: then put whatever you want to be the default in the string
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: dude
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: other than that, helping you is hard. You refuse to show even parts of your code and expect people to shoot in the dark. Your description of the problem is a bit incomprehensible
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's a table with 10 elements, but the mush has a table with 9 elements saved
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so when I install plugin, it makes my table with 9 elements
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I don't even know if you use loadstring, JSON serialization or some other custom-cooked system
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: assert (loadstring (GetVariable ("test") or "")) ()
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: everything works fine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cept initial install
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: since my saved table is older
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: than the hardcoded script one
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I believe
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I make an alias and I set the value of the 10th element, everything works fine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: put the loadstring assert in condition: if (GetVariable("test")) then loadstring... end
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what if it's not there
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can than define default value on script level and it will be used on first install
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: what is not where?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: doing loadstring(getVariable("test") or "") won't initialize anything on first install, it will expand empty string which does nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: personally sounds like you need to do a check for values on install if there is nothing load your starting table else load the values that are there
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can drop the (or "") part completely
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: any PHPers in the room?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: just ask the question, if someone can help, they will
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: wether it's there or not doesn't fix the issue
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: yeah it should
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno the hardcoded 10th element is still nil
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: agree with that. Putting loadstring inside condition will fix the issue. Having the empty string there is just confusing, it can lead you to think it will do something when it will not
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: if you code the table into the script it will set the values to the code everytime if you check if empty first it won't overwrite yor saved values
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: and it hides the error. Assert would notify you that something is wrong, by supplying empty string you silence it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if (GetVariable("test")) then loadstring... end
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what will this do
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: check if it's empty ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: before loading it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: rather check if it's not empty
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: check if you have any saved state, and restore the variable if you do
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: won't touch it if you don't
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah Trez - if it's empty it'll return nil, which isn't true :P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's not what I want :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's confusing cause
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno how to explain it :p
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: PHP101 kinda question but I'm rusty.  I have a page that calls functions from other pages.  How do I call a variable from another function in another file?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Huan is agreeing with that TrEz person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I think there are two ways to serialize - and depends on how you save how you load them.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: There is a forum post on the Mushclient forums with an example.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I have a saved state, which is a table of 9 elements
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: script has hardcoded 10 element table
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you don't have saved state if you install the plugin for the first time
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: that's why you asked for onpluginfirstinstall, and that's what this code effectively emulates
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If it's hard coded don't need to use GetVariable - oh wait is it in <variables><> section?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's a lua table in the script part
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Then you don't need GetVariable.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Can just access it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mend> you do, if you want to change values in the default table and expect it to survive mushclient shutdown
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if you don't, then you don't need serialization and this whole conversation is pointless
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the current behaviour works fine but I need it to not pull the saved state variable if it's first install
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: soooo
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I install, remove
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: will I still have a saved state variable ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or it gets destroyed
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It'll stay until you go into the directory and elete the savestate file.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cause if it doesn't get destroyed what you're suggesting won't work
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye so
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I think saved state is never deleted by mush itself
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it won't work this way
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Trez - back up - are you hoping to change these viarables?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nope it isn't Huan.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the variable is settings
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I want defaults loaded
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then if changed, they get pulled from saved state serialized variable
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but my current serialized var is 9 elements
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hardcoded is 10
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I make an alias, which sets a value to the 10th
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and then I close the script
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: reinstall etc
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it'd work fine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I just feel there's a better way of doing it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I give it to you right now
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it'd work fine since you don't have a crappy old saved state
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: :)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: basically on first install I want it to ignore the OnPluginInstall
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then it'd save properly and will be amazing at life
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: again: default = { ["whatever"] = 42 }  if (GetVariable("test") --[[ override by calling loadstring ]] end. On first install, you will work with default table. When you save state to test variable, on all subsequent installs you load the modified value and work with that
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh I see, 2 different ones
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can use similar condition inside onPluginInstall to detect if it's first install and return immediately
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Can just include a 'firstInstall' variable, defaults to 0, set to 1 on first install?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: orrr I could just make an alias to 'reset' it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: i honestly can't stand lua i tried it cause people kept telling me it was easier and more flexible than vbs but imo was a huge PITA
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It is easier and more flexible than vbs... vbs is the IE of scripting languages
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I do find lua simpler
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I consider it PITA also, what they did to perfectly fine concept of 0-based arrays... ugh. Still, it's only viable language if you intend to share your plugins or use miniwindows at all
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm going with the reset alias
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ah yes, 1-indexed arrays piss me off something awful...does nobody know what offset operator means anymore? :-(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can you put tabs in colournote ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: only times i ever use it is if i'm being lazy and don't feel like writing my own functions 
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: and i have shared lots of my plugins for multipe muds all in vbs plugins are independent of client settings
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Does Mush even ship with the VBS functionality inbuilt? I know it needs externals for python and such
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it uses windows library for this I think
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: don't know about the aard package but my old version did
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no idea if it's available on wine too
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: Script engine = VBScript Version = 5.8 Build  = 16978
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: Anyone know of a way to create a new directory structure without using os.execute("mkdir ")?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: (lua)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I don't think there is one, by design. You don't want random script to have access all over your filesystem
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Don't Bore Xyndor Tech: well it can create new files easily, i dont see why it cant create a new dir
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that always bugged me in linux.. touch: cannot touch `test/test.txt': No such file or directory   where test dir doesn't exist
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I consider it to be an advantage of linux
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: why don't we have live apple coverage here?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i forgot about that today.  cool
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: cause crapple is sux0r
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: PHP Question:  How can I take the 25 records I get from a DB and put it in a 5x5 table?  I've been racking my brain on this all day.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: very strange, a rep stopped by here at work to meet with me asking if I received the dev kit he sent. I have no idea who the guy was or what his company was. very strange
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: very strange, I just went on a follow-up sales call, and the guy said he didn't remember who I was and he never received a dev kit from me. very strange
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I knew Abelinc was a shady character, always scheming
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: abe you cold callin me?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rick rollin' maybe, never cold calling
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: a you be ballin' then
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: looked up his kit and now i kinda want to order one so maybe i'll be getting one the in mail
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Maybe you'll be getting two
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: bah the electron gun in my old monitor is going out slowly turnng my screen trapazoidal any opinions on a manufacturer  to get a decently priced replacement
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: LG do nice cheap big LED monitors
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Better put a new magazine in it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: laptop ftw!
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You could call up Glock or S&W and see if they can build you a new electron gun.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Might even be able to do semi-auto.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Papa Johns wuv Starling. Aww, how coot.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Laptop ftw? I guess your cable monitor<->gfx never frayed, huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: no craptop for me i run a gaming rig i used this old ctv style cause its blacks was amazing if action did get fuzzy when at its extremes
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Can your gaming rig drill holes into deep oil-bearing shale formations?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: If not, it's useless
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Samsung/LG are pretty much king for 2d screens, Sony for 3d
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Starling, my gaming rig could take a good crack at it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Turn off cooling, it might just melt through to the mantle before it gave out :D
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: laptop is nice and portable
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: I just recently splurged and spent a bunch of money and built myself a gaming computer. I'm running an i5-3570k, 16gb ram, etc. etc........ and I play aard on it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: rig is nerdy
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have a laptop, but Aard on it is painful, going from 27" to 15" makes me want to cry big first world tears
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I was going to get a Sager gaming laptop, core i7 etc. etc. but I decided to send that money to the bank to pay off some debt
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine's 17
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: i want my submersion case back from my ex she stole it and my spare board when you moved out
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I have an Asus gaming laptop with the core i7 in it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: me too
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Gaming...laptop? *shudders
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine's ivy bridge 650M gpu
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Lappy gfx are just appalling
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: RandAlthor, why aren't you going over there, shaking that bitch up, and taking your stuff back?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: gpu works fine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: my laptop runs better than most rigs.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The River Styx is agreeing with that TrEz person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: like 200 fps in new cs, 70 in gw2, 90ish in d3
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: 100ish in LoL
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: she moved and haven't heard from or of her in forever
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and I can have it with me when we climb
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I use sandybridge laptop for gaming... not that it is meant as such, but works ok if I stick to few years old titles
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and game at night
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: For AU$1000, I just built a desktop capable of running 2 copies of Crysis on max everything, using 2 mouse input - I played vs my brother, it was cool
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: gpu is more important than cpu tho
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That is the other reason I didn't get a gaming laptop, Ivy Bridge was a few months away from coming out, not sure if it has yet though.  Haven't checked up on it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: most have 625 or 630
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or was it 525 I dunno
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye out for sure
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I got the 5870m chip in mine.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Sryx what's your asus
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: there is already next processor from that line "few months away"
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh it's different one
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: i was going to get a gaming laptop for d3 so i could LAN party at my friend's house and farm items, but then my desktop died so I had to rebuild that. I wish i could get a gaming laptop for under $500 that wasn't total shit
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ivy bridge is pointless right now it seems - the 'tock' release is apparently going to be a big one though
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: yeah ours is about the same you just have the different chip
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: they made one with ATI one with your chip
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hard under 500 :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine's N76
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ah, mines the G73JH, little bit better than yours, not much tho
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's your cpu
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: they made the G73JW which had the nvidia chip in it too
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what's better in yours
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: G series is gaming I think, N are multimedia rather
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ya, basicly
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: mine has the 17 1080 screen
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine too, full hd
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cpu is 3610
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: This one has the i7 quad 1.6
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: 8gb ram
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: 1.6 Ghz ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ya
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then it's not better than mine
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine's 2.3
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Show me a laptop with a 24" or better screen, needs numpad, separate and full size arrow keys, mechanical keyboard, decent enough cooling ability that I don't go sterile for using it on my lap - then we can start talking
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: ah, mines about 2.5 years old now
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nod mine's from this year
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: prolly time to be looking to replace it in another 6 months
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm not sure how nice your gpu is, not savvy with the radeons
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Vak, mine sits still, with a 1080p 24 inch led screen and a keyboard and gaming mouse
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Nothing wrong with going sterile, Vakieh
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: so in essense, its a gaming rig
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I never move it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: With all the money you save by not having kids, you could buy an even better computer or 50.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: damn thing weighs like 8 pounds or something
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I got mech keyboard
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: -
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oop
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's a daskeyboard
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i give up, can't type tonight :P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: brown cherry switch
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Mines just a reg keyboard but I got the razor naga mouse.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is it naga molten
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I like really low profile chicklet keyboards tho and no gaming keyboard are like that
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno you should try mech :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's miniorgasms
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: its the most exp one but not themed, the one that allows wireless or wired etc, plus has the 12 buttons on the side
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not sure for gaming but for typing it's nice
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: play lots of mmo's so its good for that
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: 12 buttons :P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: which mmo
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I also got razer but it has no buttons :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: still playing swtor right now unfortunatly, altho its fading fast for me.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what about guild wars ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: eh, wasnt a fan of the first one really, I still play a bit of diablo3 tho
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I still have a dh on it but stopped playing :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: and I still have a wow account except I never log in
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: good, don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Don't plan on it.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh mists of pandacrap coming on the 25th
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: tho I won't be playing it either
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: I was on WoW for like 6 years
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: yeah, but Borderlands 2 hits consoles on the 18th, and its gonna consume me for about 3 or 4 months prolly
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nixed Tech: and i've quit and gone back like 3 separate times
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: so Im not gonna buy mists, at least at first.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I don't like the monthly subscribtion concept
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: subscription*
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have Borderlands 2 on preorder...found a nice discount code, got it for $30
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it is console only
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 2? No it isn't...
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: no its on pc too
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It's on Steam, duh
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: does it have pvp ?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: its first person coop for the most part
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: there are pvp arena's but no, not really
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It has arena stuff same as the 1st
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I like pvp :(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That said, I only play vs people here on Aard, the rest of the gaming multiplayer community gives me the shits.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: This is not a cursing channel, FYI :)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, it wasn't a curse, it was a typo
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I thought you retired Starling?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Totally meant 'gives me the Starlings' :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: if you didn't, please do.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Thanks for clarifying that
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skultheos Tech: I know it's ancient, but anyone still use zMUD?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: holy crap that's old school
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Ask your question, someone will answer :)
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, lots of people still use it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are more people using zmud than cmud still
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skultheos Tech: I'm trying to download my maps from my old computer. it's an mbd file and when I go to config - import - text file. nothing happens
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not a text file, it's a database file
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: What Abe said.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skultheos Tech: so how do I load it. I know I can cause that's how I got maps on my old computer, somebody emailed me their mbd file.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: if I remember correctly, hit the map button, then from there go file, open
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skultheos Tech: wohoo, styx you sexy SOB. it worked.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: I try.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Papa Johns smirks at The River Styx's saying.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Is there a command to search certain level ranges with the "mapper find" command?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: to what?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: what for?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: The room I was searching for turned up too many results to be displayed. Is there a way to level lock the command?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: no.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: what room?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Courtyard
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: mob name?
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: put quotation marks around it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: A terrified Historian
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: nod got 17 rooms when I put quotes around it
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: shadows of minos
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: www.iwuvaard.org
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: sorry.. not an advertisement
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I only get 10.:(
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: theres a mob database.. helps when I have a mob that is kinda vague
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: like yesterday on a gquest.. mob name chef, room Kitchen
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: rooms.gaardian.com has a mob database as well.
T3/r7/2012-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah roominator is well updated...
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oooooh, Google taking on Dropbox
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Looks a lot like the old google docs, at a quick glance....
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: For Google, it all starts with branding
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: is there a way to tell the mapper to temporarily find a path without any portals?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The newer mapper plugins have a walkto? I haven't updated to that yet
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: hmm thanks, I'll have a look into it and see if I can import the function
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: is there a way to convert the string name given in GMCP's comm.quest.targ to a keyword via the mud directly?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I don't think there is a way
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: make a function to strip some articles
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: sometimes the mob keywords are intentionally hard to guess, for AQ reasons for example
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: yeah thats my plan, was just hoping
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: Hi, I downloaded mudlet and installed the MAG script as of the instructions on wiki. After restart only a leftmost window shows up with info about 'Glbal Quest'. Other windows are black, what could I have done wrong?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: So I guess it is the extra info window that is working only
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you should download aardmush and give it a try, you
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you should download aardmush and give it a try, you'd get way more support on tech,, i dunno anything about mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: only you and 2 others currently using [clients command]
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: Thanks, I will see if it works on osx
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: oh... hrm
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: got Boot Camp or Parallels?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it shouldn't need either, runs fine on wine
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ahh.. cool for him :)
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: ah great I have wineskin, should be fine then :)
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DaRicoDude Tech: man I want to download full autocad
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: uh-huh ?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DaRicoDude Tech: I guess I have to ask my drawings teacher rather
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what programs are used to make area maps?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: like the ones on the wiki?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaenelle Tech: Anyone have a Droid 3? They any good?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: well i'm continuing my efforts of making my terrible client a bit less terrible
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://aardwolf.mud.mudern.com/proxy_test.html <- use a throw-away char/pass
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: http://aardwolf.mud.mudern.com/ <- non-proxied, safe to use whatever char/pass yo uwish
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: -n 5
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can you put a tab in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: colournote
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: colournote just puts text in the main output...for tabs you'd be doing a miniwindow
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Android Tech: anyone fimiliar with mushclient ??
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: should just ask
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Always better to ask the question!
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Android Tech: looking for someone who could help me out with mapper portals
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh I missed Abelinc's line
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not tab like that, just a space
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: trying to format a display
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: of a table
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: What do you want to know about mapper portals?  Pretty sure there is a guide on his website.
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Android Tech: if someone is interested in helping me. Send a tell. Nothing else needed. Thanks :)
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger fiendish, go to his site, mushclient, click wiki tab, included plugins, featured plugins, GMCP driven world mapper...
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the contents of that page, click "more tips"
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hosch's page goes into a nice thought process for what you want to do with portals
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez: ColourNote("red","blue","This is some text\tthis is some more text")
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh sweet that'll work
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is there a way to increase the cexit confirmation time?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I'm sure it's in mapper help somewhere :P
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: mapper cexit_wait <seconds>
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i remember in zmud when you pressed enter to send a command it didn't clear the prompt, is there a way to do that in mushclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: how?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: options/input/command
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_make_commands_stay_on_the_input_line_after_I_hit_enter?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: perfect, tyvm
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if you got a table = {asd=1, asd2=2} etc
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there a way to change second pair's value
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: without knowing what its key is
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: table[2] didn't work for pairs :(
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: if you mean a hashtable, i don't think so. in the languages i know, hashtables are not guaranteed in a specific order
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so value is only accessible if you know its key ?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: i would look at the doc for whatever you're talking about and see if it's ordered or not
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can't store table["asd2"] = 2 (that's exactly what your statement does, just rewritten a bit) and then expect table[2] to return/replace that pair
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I just want an easy way of changing the values
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: table["asd2"] = "newvalue"
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: an easy way, this is a nightmare
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I could create preset aliases for all 10 elements but that sounds retarded way of doing it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: if you can control the input, you could use a data structure that better suited your needs, like an arraylist or something
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sql would be best but don't wanna convert it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: for k,v in pairs(table) do table[k] = "newvalue" end
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or stop using string keys if you want ordered access
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can't, needs to be string
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what about alias *,*
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can't find examples of it working
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nor I could make it work
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sends nil
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What are you doing anyway?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: a config table
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You can do this:
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: do the bit with pairs I posted just before suggestion to stop using string keys
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: for k, v in pairs(table) do if k == "whatever" then  ..
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Huan I don't see how that helps
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How do you know which value to update if you don't know the key anyway?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I know the key it's just long ass
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: why does it matter how long it is if it's in a var?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'd have to type it to use it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: most of this needs to be script-side, not me typing raw stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: define it as a const?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Well, how are you going to recognize it then?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: define what as const, it makes no sense
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it needs to have easy interface to change the values
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: how "long ass" long you mean anyway? You just want to save typing 5 characters, or do you use paragraphs of text to index your table?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it needs to make sense for someone who don't know wtf tables are, Huan
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: just looking for simplest way of doing it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: obviously if I want it changed I'll change it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: have you tried googling it in shortened form and reading some forums?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: usually helps me when I have tech related q's
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not looking for short form, looking for a way for someone who can't script to be able to change it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: on cmud it'd be prompt and mxp with send
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: here I can't find a prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: alias *,* doesn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: what does *,* do
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I dunno a way of dividing the key/value
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so it knows which is value and which is key
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if your users don't know wtf tables are, then they have no business messing with them. Make your interface that will abstract from tables. Look at how basts script do it. "eqdb set" to list all recognized config options, "eqdb set <option> <value>" to set it
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how does he separate the option and value
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: by space
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: all options are single word
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mine has multiple words
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or joined words
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pepe Le Pieu Tech: what language is this?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: lua
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I know all options tho, can I make it like
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: alias (option1|option2) <value>
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you can also require your user quote the option name. Even mud itself requires this form, you have to cast 'vampiric touch' target
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: that'd work too
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but would it need to be regex alias
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: would not
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what would be the match
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and won't regex work ? I'll put them in () like a trigger 
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then it'd look for alias name, then one of the strings in brackets, then a *
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: lemme try that
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: regex will of course work, you sounded like you wanted to avoid it at all costs
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can't figure out anything better than regex
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: except I can add a number next to each element displayed
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: something like setoption ([^ ]*|"[^"]*") (.*) - you'll have to strip leading and terminating "
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hm
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or you can do two aliases, setoption "*" * with order 100, setoption * * with order 101
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: anyone know where to get helps for basts plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: what do you need to know
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: how to use the hunt
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: install it or what command or?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: command
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: it is installed
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: it's huntauto i believe
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: i modified mine with additional parameters, so i don't remember the default off hand
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I use winklewinkle's
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: can you give url
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: i have his search and destroy but it doesn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: so I loaded winkles autohunt, but it simply goes through a list of the same mob, and doesn't actually move towards them
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: that's the hunttrick, not autohunt
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah (mob)
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i never use it though, qw is much faster
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: where does the autohunt come in?
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: where does the autohunt come int
T3/r7/2012-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: got it
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}McBeth Tech: how do you get the aardclient help up ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which help?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for MUSHclient help itself, the help menu, index or contents
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if that doesn't work for you, you're probably using Vista or Windows 7 and have not loaded the Microsoft help viewer (they decided to stop shipping it with Windows)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607 for details on that
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for the most help on the aard mushclient package, finger fiendish, go to his site, click mushclient, click the "wiki" tab...he has an insane amount of information there
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}McBeth Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: do anyone know how to solve client crash using wine and osx? After a while, it will crash and I find a error saying "Could not unlock window 8 after drawing."
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: doesn't sound familiar. Try putting the error message into google
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: yeah I didn't find anything there :(
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: I guess it might be a problem with wine for osx, some other program get this specifically for mac.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Using osx, why not use bootcamp - I hear it does better on mac stuff than WINE
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that should be fixed with XQuartz 2.6.3
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's an issue with your X server, not with wine
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: Abelinc Oh that's good to hear, I'll just update then :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh: boot camp is a dual-boot system...that's not convenient
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: boot camp means rebooting your computer into a normal Windows OS
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I know - usually ends up far more stable than any sort of VM
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so yes, it fixes every compatibility issue, you're just not running a Mac at all at that point
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rebooting to use one program, and thereby disallowing you from using all your other programs, isn't the way people want to play a game
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: how do you turn spell tags off pls?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "tags" to see what tags exist...type "tags <foo> off" to turn them off
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other way to "turn off" spelltags is to use a script/plugin that utilizes them and hides them from view
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I do get a kick out of programmer comments sometimes...blah blah, I have to do this when it crashes...programmer replies: This isn't a crash. This is an assertion. It was added about a year ago to catch unbalanced locking...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to a user, any form of a program exiting when the user didn't tell it to is a crash, whether you as a programmer told it to exit under those conditions or not :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: how do i stop channels which are in communications log not echo in main window?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click the comm window
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: echo channels in main window
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: Ive selected echo none in comms window...but they are still echoing
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what channel is showing up in the main window with "echo none" selected?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: there was something I needed to type from memory (channel echo off or similar)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: tech is and clan is
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you're seeing them in the top window and the bottom window?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: so your tells on tech for example
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: had to re install aard client so reconfiguring all
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arya Tech: I'm not too sure but wasn't it chats echo off?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: turn on channel tags
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: imm also btw
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's how it recognizes to gag from main
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: something like that I think Arya
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: arya: that was before it had the uber-customization it has now
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: yep...that fixed it...and thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretty much everything is a right-click option now
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arya Tech: oh ok, well, not a mush user, sorry to jump in the middle.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arya Tech: but it seems to have worked :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, I'm not a mush user either }:>
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the tags worked
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arya Tech: ok :) sorry again :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: so i'm putting a soundtrack to aardwolf based around retro nes songs and playing through MUSH having the theme change every 15 min with set songs for certain areas and quests i already have original zelda and ff1 any other suggestions?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: blaster master
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: hey I thought about doing that once with the tracks from morrowind/oblivon/skyrim, until I realised that this game is kinda sporatic in its areas and state changes
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mottle Tech: add some pink floyd just cause its so good and etherial
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: must use guile's theme, it goes with everything
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amadeth Tech: any clue why my cmud will no longer connect to this site ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: is your computer plugged in?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amadeth Tech: lol im talking to you arent i
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soris Tech: Tried all the ports?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: did you try re-creating a new connection? maybe a corrupt dbase, or firewall issue
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amadeth Tech: tried 23 and 4000
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amadeth Tech: dont know what happened  but now it works you must have sent magical ip pixies to my house 
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it was me I did that
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Amadeth Tech: awww thanks *hugs
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: send pixies back pls
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: im not a idiot, just tell me exactly what site 2 visit to get a mud app on my nokia e71 fone
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: if you are not an idiot you can find out for yourself I should think
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: huh, I mischanned into the one it should have been in
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: that's going to make me look really dumb to anyone who hasn't got the question/answer channel on
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Visual  Persuasion Tech: too late
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: burn
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there any good way to align stuff with \t
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: 3 char words and 15 char words get messy
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: use more than one tab :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: tried but the long words get shifted too far right
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I think it's cause they're more chars than a tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: so they get an extra tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: tabs are evil
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: use always spaces
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I won't know how many to use
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: have to check word length, then subtract from preset number, then insert... pain in the ass
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: calculate it based on the length of the string
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: write a function to do it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: :(
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how many chars is a tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: variable i think
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: why does it matter? do you want to emulate tabs or to do something else ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if string's longer than a tab I add 2 tabs
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if shorter 3 tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: why do you add that tabs? do you want your string to have always at least 3 tabs?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: do you know a better name of doing it ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: tab isn't intended to be a fixed number of characters... tabs are intended to move to a specific interval on screen or page (in print, this is usually the next half-inch mark on a page)...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: my tabs are usually 1-8 spaces wide
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well ye
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: still I don't understand what you want to achieve: do you need strings with at least 3 tabs? what for ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: okay look
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you got a string, asd
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you add a tab to it, position is say at the 15th char
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: now if you have a string that's 16 chars
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: obviously when you add tab to it, it will be shifted further to the 30th
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if you add tab you have 4 chars, what you mean by 15th tab?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the string will have 4, the displayed will have 15
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: tab is single character, its interpretation is application depended
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you're missing the point
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: you're better off padding with spaces
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but I'd need a number, say 20 if longest string I have is 17
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: obviously, if you want to align characters use spaces and fixed font
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: measure your longest string, then pad all of them to that length
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: then subtract the strings from it
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and add dynamically
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cyrni Tech: tab exists for humans so we don't have hit a bunch of spaces.  A program doesn't have any problem adding the correct spaces though. :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: looked easier with tabs in this scenario
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: well, tab also exists for the standard world of variable-width fonts
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: since you either add 2 or 3 tabs
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can just put an if and have different strings with different tab spaces displayed, according to the string length
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I still don't see problem - you have: len = strlen(s)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if len < 20 then s = fill(' ', 20 - len) + s
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: put it in function and call it at any place you need to
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that was just pseudocode, you need to use proper functions for your language
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: can I put that fill in a string.format
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: iunno lemme try
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you're using string.format, that does the padding for you :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: how would it do the padding
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: by specifying the width you want
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: give me an example I don't know the syntax
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: then look it up?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: documentation exists for a reason ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's just too broad for string format
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: whatever I'll find it
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what's too broad?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i've about reached the point in my telnet client where it's irritating not having a cmd buffer so i suppose it's time i start working on one
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: why telenet client and not mushclient / tt ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cause he's making his own client that's better
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that's quite reasonable reason
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so does anyone _ever_ want a multi-line buffer or do they really want an external buffer?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: because once you go to  a multi-line scroll-buffer then I remember being previous/next buffer being annoying
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: anyone have a burning desire to be able to search their back cmd-buffer?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i dunno about search, but if you start typing something then hit up, it would be nice if it brought up the last command that started with that
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i can definately see that be useful, do other clients do that?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: if not maybe it should be like alt+up or something
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: cmud does, don't know about mush
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and tabwords as well as shift-tab completion
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: #TAB long_word_here -- type l<tab, or if you seen the long word, start typing it and press SHIFT-TAB
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: tab completion is something else :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm confused about the diff between tab and shift+tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: tab checks tab words defined... shift tab checks screen buffer
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: how does it know words defined?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: #TAB thisisatabword
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is that sent OOB?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's clientside, like #ALIAS or #TRIGGER
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: oh
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it give you gray-text of what its guess is before you press tab?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no.. each tab cycles through possible #TABs
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and shift-tab cycles through most recently seen
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: I can see that being useful, not hard to implement. Does shift+tab check  exact cmd matches or any wor appearing in the last n lines?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i maintly use #TAB for names, and some long alias names, like knossoscastle
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so that if you have knossoscastle somewhere 5 lines back and you type kill knoss<tab> it completes?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: shift tab seems to ignore case, but prefers it... if that makes sense
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: or does it only complete if you have done kill knosscastle and type kill knoss<tab> 
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: 1st shift tab will be a case match, 2nd on will pick case insensitive
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i did #TAB knossoscastle
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: does it need to see itin your cmd buffer or just in the scrollback buffer?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: as i use it often
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: tab alone checks only defined #TABwords
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: err shift+tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: shift tab checks command echo and anything received from mud still in buffer
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like completed is in the very top of my buffer...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: completed, completion, Complete, completing, completed
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that was each in order for shift tab
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for each i typed compSHIFT-TAB
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: k. well thanks for the input i'll take a stab at throwing in buffer history and tab completion, gotta run to lunch now
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: otherwise wife will be angry
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i thought wives defaulted to angry
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: - h5
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: is there a consider plugin for mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i swear I'm about to throw java out the window
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: reading the mapper helps, why would you want to purge a room or area?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: some rooms you just never need.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: but entering it again will just re-add it correct?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: goin back into the roomwill remap it ya
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cyrni Tech: Does anyone use Duckbat's proxy?  Wanting to try his mobdb but can't get past the aard login prompt when I connect through it...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elkore Tech: i use proxymud but have not tried the mobdb
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: whats the proxy do?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Any linux masters here?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Depends on how you define master...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: perks up
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: What is your interest in this Linux thing? ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: the myth or the legend?  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Hey man, I got a litle problem here about my network. i couldn't connect to wifi after changing my hostand reboot it. It doesn't even start the NetworkManager, so I start it manually, but still It says Device not managed. Why is that?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Ubuntu I assume?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Actually linux mint, but I suppose ca say so.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: #can
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: never used Mint myself.  All RHEL and Ubuntu here but the basics are still the same
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what did you change and how?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'm surprised there isn't a bigger move for gnu-linux distros
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Changed it in network setting under the general tab.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: users in general are not comfortable with a non-Windows desktop interface
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: changed what?  your hostname?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Both, but I bet the problem is the domain name. I don't remember what it was..
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: remove the domain name altogether
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: double check your hostname, dns, and local IP settings and restart the networking service
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: also, make sure you still have a loopback
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: Do I need reboot? Previously it configure the network while booting, about 2 minutes later, it said booting without network configured...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: usually not needed but Mint might have a few scripts running on boot
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: okay, i'll try.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: It still didn't work.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: any protocol gurus here able to help me puzzle on when to trigger EOL triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: How sad. Apple sold out its initial stock of iPhone 5 in an hour...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That is sad - that people are so stupid as to buy Apple products
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}FrT Tech: indeed
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: nuh uh
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Does anyone use "computer glasses" ? i.e. mid-range focal point, usually some sort of tint?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: seems a lot of gamers use gunnars
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Yeah, was hoping someone had personal experience with them or cheaper brands :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: So, I have this hard drive, right? It's from a laptop. It used to have some movies and some iTunes stuff. Well, the laptop's a goner, but I put it in my desktop computer, to realize some files, movies and itunes things as well, are gone. Why might this be?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: was the HDD the part that failed in the laptop?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: No. It was fully functional before and after.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: could have been a bad sector, could have been saved on a different partition, could have been any number of things.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you checked it via computer management mmc yet?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: as last ditch would say try checking it on a linux system might beable to save something
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: assuming you are using windows
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: if the partition table is messed up you might be able to rebuild it
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: And I know for a fact the files were not deleted by users. No other partitions, or anything. New hard drive, so I doubt it's a bad sector. I mean, the movies and iTunes documents are the only things I care about that are missing.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: bitlocker maybe? or some other proprietary harddrive security?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Definitely no. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: what brand was the laptop?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Dell Inspiron.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: have you tried kicking it?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns peers intently at Vorpal Vorpes.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you would be surprized
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Would throwing it at a wall help?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: no no a technical kick though might help
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns shrugs in response to Vorpal Vorpes's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: How might I do that?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: somewhere between 5-7newtons of force
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: And what would that do?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i am being a smartass sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Oh, pfft.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: same thing hitting the tv when the electron gun was out of alignment
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: yup or starter when going bad
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: so that lazy peice of tech whos boss
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: yech But really, the files were on the laptop before, and now when I plug the hard drive into the desktop, they arent there. I blame itunes.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: show*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: umm you have another laptop to try it in or only desktop? does it show up fine in my computer but is just empty?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: The drive shows up fine in my computer, everything is there. Just not he itunes movie i plugged the damn thing in for :P The only reason i want the hard drive lol
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You sure you didn't delete it?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: and no, no other laptop right now.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Positive.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Its Granola's laptop/hard drive/
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: do you have show hidden files checked?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Oh, you want to see the cam shows.  Gotcha.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Well, she probably deleted them.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Yes I do. Nothing is there.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: They're on the internet anyway, Starl. But you know that, being her manager and all.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: make a linux live usb and then check and see if it is there from that
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Cant I just run a VM? But either way, it wont be there.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I think this is an itunes problem, since theyre the only thing not on the hard drive, but i just wanted to see if this was a known problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: then why aren't you checking the itunes forums? *laugh*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Because I cant go online! :D *laugh*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you can't go online, you're not here...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Yet - here you are - online. *blink*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I cant open browsers.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it's not an itunes problem, you're just not looking in the right spot
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: The connection times out, its too slow.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I love that it's a new drive, but it's the laptop's drive and the laptop is already fried...
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: shrug - I tried searching for the folder, "just in case" but it didnt show up anywehre.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: who told you what folder to search for?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Uhh who said the laptop is fried?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: searches are only as good as their criteria
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you did
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you did
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was the start of this whole thread
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Im searching for the itunes folder...what do you mean?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: who says there's an itunes folder?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: i didnt say it was fried. I just said we cant access it. Technically, i said it was a goner. What i meant is, we cant use it right now.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can have itunes put its media wherever you want
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: It would be in the windows media player library *grin*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Granola. Its her laptop, and her file. We're looking for the itunes movies, that were in the itunes folder, in the music folder in my documents.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: could, not would.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you're simply full of shit and not worth bothering with
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: I don't think you can say shit on tech.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: talk it all day long, just don't say it.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ok so go to best buy buy a new laptop, put HDD into it and see if it works if it does then copy files to DVD and then return laptop to bestbuy
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Thanks for the input, all I need is a charger though. Just wanted the movies now since it will be a while before I can get a new charger.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: you can order a new charger online for $15 bucks. Just sayin.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Also, Taki, the files are from the itunes store. They could and would not be in the windows media folder.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: oh snap that is even easier. goto bestbuy buy a charger and then order a cheap one online then return one from bestbuy
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Oh wait - you aren't online. *grin*  Might try a library.  Those do still exist.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: If its no big deal to YOU, then order one for me. As it is, I cant afford that right now. So thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they could and would be anywhere you chose to have itunes save stuff, including windows media folder
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: RikiTiki Takihisis seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: have you tried a search for *.mp4 ?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Hmm nope, Thats a good idea. Ill try.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I have half of my itunes stuff on d: partition and the other half on a USB drive
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: while that runs goto bestbuy and buy a charger
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: He probably doesn't have the gas money to get there either.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Careful, he might ask you to taxi him there, his "goto" command is broken.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't forget to also look for m4v ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Aww, taki, you're so sweet.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I guess youre taking Razor's advice a little too seriously. "Talk it, dont say it"
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Hey, you're the one who asked me to buy you a charger cause you're too broke.  Just letting Vorpes know what he's getting into, telling you to go to Best Buy for a charger. *shrug*
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: any luck with the wildcard search?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: You made it seem like it was no big deal. I was just suggesting, that if it is no big deal, then have a little pre-christmas cheer and spread some love my way. Dont be a grinch.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Not yet. Trying m4v
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: I didn't say any such thing.  I just quoted the price that you could purchase one for online.  I said nothing about easy or otherwise.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Grinchisis Takihisis :(
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Tell that to my 2 year old.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: and what is broken about the charger? is the actual transformer part broken or is it just intermittently charging?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: saw a movie about transformers once.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: it wasn't all that great but you know wheelie is pretty cool
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: and don't get me started on transformers.... i might have to run by walmart and see if the next wave of 2012 generations is out
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: The laptop needs to be plugged in constantly in order to work...the battery was fried when it was taken to iraq. But the charger was on one moment, hadnt had problems with it at all, got it less than a year ago...then it just cut off and hasnt worked since. The green light on it doesnt even light up.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: so then it is the transformer unit and i would assume you don't know how to fix that
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: I'd order a new battery from china for cheap on eba
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: sorry i just butted in without hearing the first part...maybe u already found out a new battery wont work
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: Oh good, Dirk, he's been asking for christmas donations of parts.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: check the power rating on the charger then see if you have another charging device with similar power out put. cut the dead chargers plug off and solder that to other charging unit
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: i overheated my laptop b4 and fried the battery, i ordered a new battery on ebay for like $35 including shipping (it took a few weeks since it was from china, then they sent the wrong battery twice but finally got it right lol)
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you are looking for mA rating and voltage
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: hmmmm...I'd need another charging device.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you will want to make note of the polarity of the inner and outer tip of charger too
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: check phone chargers hell you might be able to hook it up to power supply from desktop
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler Tech: or just make sure you order something thats for your model computer and not worry about the rest :P
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: external HDD PSU anything electronic
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: oh i see...ok so it doesnt really have to be my charger? it can just be anything that is a cord from an outlet (or a supplier like a computer) into my laptop?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ya you are just looking to make sure it has similar power output, i wouldnt go over the output listed on dead charger though
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: do you have a multimeter?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: No.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ok then this isn't the route for you
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: There is an input and an output for voltage and "a" on the back of the charger.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ya no seriously you don't want to go this route if you don't have a multimeter. this will require cutting and soldering wires
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Okay. Thank yo.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Thank you, even.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: any luck with the searches?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: dude don't leave me hanging you are the only thing keeping me going at work while xp installs\
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: the lack of internet must have caught up
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: so vorpes any suggestions for nes style music for a soundtrack to aardwolf?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: well i would say zelda makes a good sound track to about anything
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: have zelda, FF1, blaster master, duck tales, kid icurus
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: just thinking about zelda makes it start playing
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: dragon warrior maybe?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: can't find contra or any other square enix music
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: wanted some songs from chrono trigger but look like square's been throwing lawsuits around
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ya i dunno man, i just realized i have been sitting at work in silence in an empty building for the last 7 hours though so thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: just a shameless plug:  Go to http://www.TemporalStatic.com and check out the player on the side.  
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: the first 11 tracks are to a game called Kino One
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tomoko Tech: does anyone knows a miniwindow inventory plugin? i've tried  the one from http://code.google.com/p/aardinvwin/ but it didn't worked
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I think Bast has one
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Ok, I installed paint.NET a while ago, it's a good program.  I rather like it.  BUT, it hijacked my "edit" command in windows explorer, I don't want to open images in it by default.  Regular MS paint is fine if I just want to resize or crop.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: So, how do I change the "edit" command to open the image in normal paint by default?
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Tried doing it via registry, but doesn't seem to work.
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i want to point you towards bestbuy but i cant see a connection here
T3/r7/2012-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Control panel -> default program
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: Mush script command that gags + replaces text?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: for something that specific you'll probably have to make your own
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: seems like a very basic command that clients should have.....just want to replace one output with another
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: it was definitely standard with zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: set a trigger for the line you want to replace, put the replacement line into 'send' and check 'omit from output'
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I suppose that would work, I only want to replace part of a line though
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: then set the trigger for "* words *", output "%1 replacement %2"
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: regexp if you want to be fancy
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I'll play about with that, thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: here is a question though, will MUSH trigger off adjusted lines or will it trigger from the lines that were omitted from output in the case of other triggers?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: oh I got one thing wrong, the "send too" obviously shouldn't be world, maybe output
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ..to
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: maybe I'm overcomplicating the problem. I have a sound trigger when someone sends me a tell. I don't want my questor to activate that sound trigger though.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I've never had to deal with multiple triggers on the one line where the first changes the line sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: trigger for * tells you: *, then write a script that checks for not (%1 == "Questor") before playing the sound?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I was thinking of chaging "questor tells you" to something else. But...in practice it might just trigger from it anyway, regardless of if I'd omitted that line from output
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I see, so you can write exceptions to triggers like that
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: yeah, you can set triggers that catch many things then set exceptions with scripts in those triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: that sounds the best way, it's a new concept to me though
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: Hi! I am on mac with latest wineskin and have made a wrapper for aardwolf mushclient. When I click the wrapper now it immediately closes, if I open package and launch Wineskin executable there, I can start wineskin. Could this be a problem with Info.plist?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Eijun Tech: it worked fine to click the wrapper several times before, but not after latest restart
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: any tt++ users out there?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I got the basics of tintin
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: what's the questino?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: every I do a #read map I have to #map goto again? 
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: everytime*
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Hmmm not sure - I usually just move to get it working.  Don't do map goto myself.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Maybe one of the 14 other users knows?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: but when I read the map it says I'm not inside anymore
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I guess I'll just save the room in a variable
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Does it say that even after you move?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You can also just type look
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: It will cause gmcp room data to be sent and sync with your tt map
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: Oh, hey Ixle
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: look doesnt work for me, but moving does
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You can also use #map return if you regularly are in the same room when you read the map
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: From #help map: #map return: Returns you to your last known room after leaving the map or loading a map.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: hmm.. interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: gonna try it
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: yeah, map return works, thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chaz Bono Cheezburger Tech: Anyone good with sql know how to solve this question? --> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12439985/sql-get-rows-based-off-of-first-records-values
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: there is already an answer using subquery 
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zirkon Tech: hi, I just got the official aard client and it seems great and all, but channel text appears in both the main window and the channels window, is there a way to fix that?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click comm window
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tons of right-click options available in the client
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zirkon Tech: oh my, indeed
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (and I'd say "a way to change that"...it's not broken, many people prefer it to be in both spots ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zirkon Tech: i find it to be more orthogonal without any duplicated info, but i suppose
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I use ww mapper extensions... after I remorted the xrt takes me to odd parts within some areas, is this a result of not having access to some of my portals at some levels?
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: probably need to reset the room ya want it to run to...
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: "xset mark"
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: but is the anomally due to using/not using portals. Lake Sennare for exaple runs me to the middle of the lake instead of the first room.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it does that to me a lot, seems expoloring more of an area can screw it up
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I'm trying to remember if i had it installed at the beginning of my last remort... that could also be it.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: my fear is that is as I get to higher levels it will run me somewhere I'm not wanting to go lol.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If it makes use of AArd mapper and path finding, which I think it does.  Really should be problem with trying to use portal that you aren't hte right level for.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Should be no problem...
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah you set the leve of the portal when you add it
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: try xset mark, i think that'll fix ya up :P
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: it does seem to, but i didn't know why a after working flawlessly it fails after remort.
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: probably wasn't as flawless as you thought
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: true lol
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: you would have used portal ran to the "mark"ed room and then to mob
T3/r7/2012-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vistula Tech: how do i get out of a prison?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: For any who might want, totally free no strings attached Easeus Partition Master download from GeekTech - http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/79884
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I think they are sniffing the referrer, so go in via this 'official' deal link
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: I'm using Linux and I guess Gparted is still better than Easeus.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Just the download, no need for a key?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ah, nevermind. in the comments "No need for serial. Just install, it is full version as supplied by EaseUs."
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Google, you amuse me. I type in "clickable links in thunder", intending to type "thunderbird" and it "guessed" I was going to type "thundercats". What... the... hell?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: I supose you can turn off that feature.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, I could.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That way, when I start looking for portugal tourist locations, I don't wind up with "porn tourist" :p
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Marsa laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or worse, looking up "transmission service" and getting "transvestite service" and seeing "There are 12 locations near you with transvestite services."
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Marsa falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh. Browsing stackoverflow, a user commented "What the <censored> does 'dynamic data' mean?" -- Sorry, but if you don't know static and dynamic, you probably shouldn't be on stackoverflow.
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually "dynamic" and "static" are very overloaded terms, so this might not be such a daft question
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh, the guy was talking about static data and dynamic data. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: so.... does anyone use sickbeard on a mac?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: who wants to win a few TP today :)
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: ?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, busy hoping they don't start WW3
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: Who wants to earn a couple TP today
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: has someone worked out an alias for the new archery skill?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why rely on someone else?
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: I am struggling with it
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So ask for help instead of asking someone to give it to you. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or insinuating it. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But what are you having trouble with?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: in mushclient for an alias how does one generally use variables such as quaff %1 where %1 is the name of the potion? I'm missing something.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: quaff (.*?) send quaff %1
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, your alias would be: quaff *, and you can do "Send("get %1 bag;quaff %1")
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: -l
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: -l does not work.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: i was doin -h ;) typos suck
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: hey, so what's the command to turn off coordinates from showing in a room i'm in?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Tags coordinates?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, tags coords off
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: so
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: so?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: for some reason wen i talk on a channel now it shows as "{chan ch=tech}Tech: so"
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just type 'tags off' :p
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Unless you're using any tags.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It tends to happen when you go from MUSH to another client.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: much better
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: that's exactly what happen
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: haha good call
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Only reason why is MUSH uses those tags. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: aah
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So do other clients, for that matter.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But other clients aren't pre-scripted with them, generally.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: i was trying to get the VI soundpack for mush to work. Still messing with it. Thanks for that bit of info.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: I installed Mudlet Aardwolf Gui to my mudlet on mac, i was dissapointed with it and uninstalled it, but it left the side- and bottom bars on, eventhough there is no info. How do i remove them?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: no need to help anymore, i got it on my own! Just needed to adjust main window borders
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: Ah
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: Does anybody wanna teach me some stuff about mushclient? I am pro at zmud..so i will learn quickly :P
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Like what?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it's easy to get help with specific problems
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: mainly about the mapper..
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: How do I use the mapper efficiently
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: type help mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: sorry, mapper help
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: read the wiki page, and hoschs page linked from the wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: any mudlet guys here? I'd like to know what is a good mapper script for Aardwolf using mudlet mac
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: i'm playing in my school and a friend of mine is also, so i'm told to "see an imm"
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: what does it mean?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Type "who imm" to see the list of imms currently on.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: It's a multiplaying check
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the system might suspect that you are controlling both accounts
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: When someone pops up, tell 'em what you said to us.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: Thanks a bunch!
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: do not go afk for extended periods without at least setting the AFK flag, or logging out. You may get surprise multiplay check
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: are aliases/triggers made the same way on mush as zmud?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: #alias qc {quest complete} didn't work :9
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: #alias {qc} {quest complete}
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: And the GUI is much more powerful for adding aliases.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: Ah
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: where do i find the gui
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Ctrl+Shift+9. Or Game menu -> configure -> Aliases
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: How do I set a X,Y of a GUI? I cannot see the top so cannot move it
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What client, and what miniwin?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: mush
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There were 2 parts to that question...
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: isn't there a reset command for aardclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There is, but it only applies to stock miniwins (hence the 2nd part to the question)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: resetaard, btw
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: does anyone know a working aardwolf mapperscript for mudlet?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Marsa Tech: I think there is one.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: ok so who wants to win 10 tp today
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: I DO!!!!!!!!!!
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: i need some windows xp/server2003 assistance
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: me too
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: what do u need
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: whats the question
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: if you go to system properties (Advanced -> User Profiles -> settings) it lists all profiles (local and domain) which have been logged in
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: and i can select one and delete it
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: And?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: thats all i want to do, but would like to do it via command line and one swoop just passing it a username
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok one sec leeme see
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: use microsoft sam
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: in 7 i just did it in powershell which made it nice, but i cant get anything working properly on xp
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: i agree w/ fisban, im not sure why u wouldnt b able to do it on xp
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: do u have powershell for xp?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: nope, i know i could put it on there, but lets go with no powershell
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: k so u wanna do via cmd prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: right?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: yes, with a bash or vb script would be preferred
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Anyone on from Singapore right now? I can't seem to get my SSH to work from behind an M1 fibre connection.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: hmmmm...ok
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: you didnt think the 10 tp would be easy did ya
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: lol
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: nope im just tryin some stuff out one sec... lol
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: I dont know what I missed. I was logged off did you find your anwse4?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: man this sh!t sux
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: not yet, trying to do it via bash/vbscript
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: thats my goal
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: google says: use: net localgroup GroupName /add /delete /domain
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: google...i forgot about u
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: well the command: net localgroup
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: i couldnt get it working using net because they are domain accounts which have logged into the machine
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: i could only get net to work on local accounts
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: linux <3
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: did you forget the /domain switch?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: yea net user /domain outputs -> the request will be processed at a domain controller
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: dont need the users removed from the domain
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: that wouldnt be pretty lmao
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: are you loged in as the domain administrator or local administrator
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: domain admin
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: huh what is it you want again? not to delete from domain users on that box? and only to delete local?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: just deleted the created profile, i would assume would be the SID and profile directory
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: but trying to mimic the proper deletion method like system properties -> advanced -> user profiles -> settings (where i can select and press delete)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: say a profile gets corrupt at a machine level, just want them to log out - i run the script it deletes their locally created profile from domain account so they can log back in
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: mimic? that would be some sort of gui base. based off of net properties connection method?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: i dont want to actually mimic it, i mean just delete in that same fashion
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: whatever selecting a user and clicking delete does... i wanna do that from command line
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: if that makes any sense
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: Im sure that theres tools like that thats a gui tool for scripting macros. ha it would be one big macro too
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: ctrl_alt_del made an app called bombprof but it doesnt have a cli
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: I got it in vbscript - sort through SIDs in registry, delete the proper sid key then delete associated profile folder
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: if you do it in that order it works right
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Who gets 10 TPs?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doc Holliday Tech: me and google :)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: somebody knows how to add a plugin to mushclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: saved it as an xls file
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: how to add?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Xls? Excel?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: hmm, no
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Mush plugins need to be xml documents
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: xml
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: how to add/activate it?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Move it to worlds/plugins/ directory
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: ctrl shift p, add
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: then in File -> Plugins -> Add
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: ok, thx! Didn't played for about 6 years or so :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}High Lord Greyson Tech: I loaded the mini mapper, but stays blue... do I have to activate it in another way?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sounds like what you actually need is to download the latest Aardwolf-customized MUSHclient from http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: why can't i set alais b for backstab in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: when i press b by itself, it works...but if i type: b deer, then it doesnt work
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Try aliasing "b *" to "backstab %1"
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: you are missing wildcard
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: Ahh ty
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Though just as a sidenote
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: 'bs' is a mudwide alias for backstab already.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: b is easier :D
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: HOw do I make a trigger for if there is : You circle around then output is circle
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Computers send out different signals for headphones and speakers?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: When trying to use Skype with my headset earlier, I wasn't able to hear the person I was calling (or even the dial tone) 'til I'd changed the setting from Speakers to Headphones.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Anyone know how to do semi-colons with blowtorch? I tried two of them, and a @ before it, but I'm out of ideas.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I'd try double them up and or /
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Nope. :(
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: oh I think I mean tech oh I think I mean \
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: haha can you tell which my client uses :P
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Lol.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I guess I am unable to do those with blowtorch. Thanks though. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: and solidify
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: working on a tt++ script, it looks like I'm outputing something I shouldnt be (aard is saying "unknown command"). is there a way to force scripted output to echo?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Try the mud command echocommands
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Exactly.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: ok now someone start some doubles :)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's very handy for figuring out what your script is sending
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: HOnestly probably a misplaced  or missing /
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: /
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use the MUD command "echo" to pretend someone started doubles
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: semi-colon haha
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Below the flare, you hear Johnny scream 'HEAR ME FOR I HAVE CONQUERED!' or whichever message you're triggering on
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or vinatia's DB 2x :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: darn, wasnt thinking about daily blessings triggering it
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, there are many messages that can start doubles
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You'd better trigger of GMCP... er, is there a GMCP notification of double start?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: The MUD messages page on the wiki has most of them though.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Nope
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is not, cizra
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Isn't there a bit if double is on or off though?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for quests there's a bit
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Ahhh maybe what I was thinking, thanks.  Guess the mud messages page is it then.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, mud messages page was lacking most of the doubles texts...it's better now :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Biff Tech: yeah it was missing semicoln
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: is there a common reason dns information wouldn't be traversing a vpn?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i can ping the address in the remote network and i can even get it to resolve host name with a -a ping but i can't actually goto it via machine name
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: what do you mean by goto? remote desktop?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: open webpage on internal webserver
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: can you load the page using ip?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: wth it resolves with machine.domain.local but not just machine
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: sounds like you're on the right track if it's a fqdn problem
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: really just want to spike to computer on the ground and tell them there is not internet in this part of the world
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: so it isn't allow resolution via netbios then?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: i googled and there is some stuff out there...like http://forums.iis.net/t/1153291.aspx
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: the only issue is this isn't the first time this has been setup. i have 14 other sites that have it setup and they can all reach the webpage with just the hostname
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: is the dns suffix set the same on each host?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: and set to automatically register in dns?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: you didn't mention the os that you were using, but in windows, when pinging a machine name, it appends the domain information that its attempting to look for......
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: my missus had a work laptop that would always append her work dns (irrelevant to what domain she was connected) and therefore couldn't connect to home computers via only machine name
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: you sure its not something like that thats happening
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: that is the append suffix that i was talking about. i believe it is in the tcp/ip properties for the nic
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: it is winXP and i guess i am not following the append part of what you guys are saying
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: open a command prompt...   type "ping xxxx"   where xxx is the machine name you're trying to ping
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: look at the line that reads.....
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: can't find
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: pinging xxxxx.yyy.zz    where yyy.zz wasn't typed in by you
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: but now i know what you are talking about for appending
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: is it what you'd expect it to be ?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: ok. so its not resolving at all
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: thank you it works now
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i had never even thought about the fact that i had to append the rest of the fqdn
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: cool
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: this had been a headache project. we use netbooks for our punch-in machines and we added a new site so one day a netbook is on my desk. no one thought to ask me to get it. it was a pain to put xp on it and find drivers
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: ended up with only finding a wireless driver for it
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: seriously thank you guys very much :)
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: beers on me
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vorpal Vorpes pours beer on himself.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: DROID: If my phone dies, will I lose the ability to access my Spotify downloaded playlists without having to log in again?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: are they songs you downloaded, or are they links to content on the internet?  If they're just links, then you lose access to them because your phone turned off the internet connection to conserve power.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: idk, can listen to them offline, but only with the app.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aterius Tech: anyone know of new android phones with qwerty keyboard?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: can you make tintin ++ do things like cexit does for mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: seems alot ofqgogo
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BullE Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: hey
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: so do any of you write triggers in your soundpacks?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No, but I write soundpacks for my triggers.
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: and I have a few soundtriggers on my packs
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: do you happen to know the trigger line for when something disarms you?
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I have some triggers that play sounds
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There are a ton of MUD messages on the Aard wiki. wiki.aardwolf.com -> General -> Mud Messages
T3/r7/2012-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Solution Tech: We're trying to resize the input area on the Aardwolf MUSHClient, but when we start to type it automatically shrinks back down to its original size. Does anyone know how we can adjust the height of the area you type in?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: uhm..help
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i logged on using mush..and it did some random pagesize stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: now i can't see anything
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i can read communication log, but can't read the mud screen
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Did you try restarting MUSH?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: let me try brb
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: there we go
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ty
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: how do i make a trigger on mush
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: Ctrl+Shift+8
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: I tried making one...for "You circle around" output: "circle"
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: doesnt do anything
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: any ideas
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Did you do Send to World?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: ya
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: "You circle around *"
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: tried that also
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: that didn't work either
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: any ideas?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: try ^You circle around (.*?)?$  and check regular expressions
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: circle still doesnt work
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Omadi Tech: the trigger that is
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: any1 here?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: yup
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: mapper cexit open west
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Ask the question and the critics will come :P
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: what do i do to add the go west also
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i did mapper cexit w(semicolon)w
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: use 2 semicolons
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ty
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: now to redo sooooooooooo many of them :<
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I gave you the exact example of what you needed
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: when you put in the cexit, the mapper will actualy try it out to see if it works, and 2 seconds later tell you the result.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: NEW RECORD! Mush, open 9 days, total RAM usage 7.1 gig
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: memory leak much?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: restarted, 49 meg
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: lol wow
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: heh..
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Sitting on a 16gb machine, I didn't even realise until I had to kill an itunes process...
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: mush memory leaks?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I'm having that with tintin sometimes too.. gets to 6gig in about one hour
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Depends on the plugins.  I think I might have done something to my mapper and/or statdb, but it gets pretty bad
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: mine's been up 16.5 das and only 104mb mem usage, so it's not mush in general
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: 6gb in 1 hour is not a memleak...
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I dont know whats causing it, its not always
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: days*
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nissim Tech: I disabled my custom stuff and it stopped, I might have made some kind of faulty action
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: so this mapper..
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is there a way to convert #FF0000 to mud colors
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Anyone noticed google docs seems to be "Connecting to Google" more often since the "upgrade" to google drive.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Korridel Tech: Not really.  I use it on a daily basis,a nd I don't see it that much
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Must not like me then :(
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: anyone know a way to get fragmentation status of a specific file using native windows/powershell functions? file doesn't appear in top fragmented files via the GUI, and defraganalysis in powershell doesn't appear to provide granularity at the file level.. google keeps pointing to third party products..
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what for ?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: want to get number of fragments for a database file at os level (about 250GB).. the top fragmented files in the UI all have >5k fragments, which is a bit much
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: still, why does it matters ? you could move that file to other disk, defragment, move back if you don't want fragmentation
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: and can't install third-party products :(
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: this is a live system.. that would require a downtime
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Still, what's the purpose behind knowing?  You think defragmentation is gonna increase performance significantly, or what?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: so instead of that you want to defragment live system?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: i'm not going to defragment it.. i want to know if it is fragmented, because there's other junk on the same disk that would cause it to be fragmented.. want to know whether or not it is an issue to report
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it is issue to report
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: there should be only database on database server
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: OTOH it should not affect performance
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: yes, i know.. the disk is shared by three things, which is bad.. i'm already reporting it coudl result in fragmentation.. i want to say whether or not it already has :)
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: actually, the sharing will result in thrashing (because the stuff being shared will be access/written at same time as database), which could cause performance problem
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you have database cache, system cache and raid controller cache - that should decrease fragmentation influence on performance
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you can pre-allocate space for database if you want contiguous area
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: i.e. if your database allows that
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: so the short answer is no, there's no standard api to get the number of defragments for a specfic file?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Whether it has or not is largly immaterial - the data in a database is going to be all over the disk anyway, regardless of how fragmented the datafiles are.  You're correct, though, that if you're doing a lot of access against other files, your performance could suffer.  Not, however, from fragmentation.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: of fragments* gah
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I'm not aware of any, but I don't work on that side of things, either.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: some databases report also scatter factor for itself, if you continuosly insert and delete records sooner or later data will be fragmented
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: and that is bigger problem than disk fragmentation
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: yeah, this one does it a lot.. i know how to get that information at the table, though :)
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway, your DB is not mission-critical as it has no dedicated hardware to run at
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: i do not know if this is tech question or not, but i'll shoot anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: also, you cannot say for sure whether disk fragmentation slows down reading from disk or vice versa
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: in ancient times there was some application like speed disk or similar, that fragmented files to make them read faster
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: i died during a task, in a place that is obviously accessible only during that phase of the task. Now i can't seem to get back. What should i do?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, you could theoretically infer from wait i/o stats...
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: Mati: usually all tasks can be redone
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Matilainen> that's more q/a question, and include at least area name when you move there
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Matilainen Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway, replacing hardware for database is cheapest way to speed up application / database
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: replacing hardware not really in the question -- already has dedicated server, 28gb ram allocated to just the db, san allocated to it .. also, the hardware is managed by a third party (same third party putting other junk on the same disk :( )
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if you use SAN, then forget about checking fragmentation using windows tools
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: so bug san admin instead? would be easier, though i prefer to learn this stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: cannot you just partition / repartition SAN that way that you will have db on its own piece of SAN?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: anyway if you want performance oriented disks - you should use RAID 10 or at worst multiple RAID 1
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: the situation is that our org can't administer this -- only the vendor can -- so our side needs to report the issues to be resolved (can't do ourselves)..
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: it sort of sucks
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: still, why are you looking for that kind of issue? because everything work slow? if so then 'slow work' is issue
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: i prefer to try to diagnose things first.. real issue is the disk being used for multiple things so can go with that (at very least, will cause uneven distribution of DB across its four disks when this one fills before the other three).. just wanted more data about the extent of side effects
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: use pre-allocated database extents then and forget about looking for disk fragmentation issues
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: for given set of disks - only RAID level and strip size should be your concern, to avoid fragmentation just pre-allocate space
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: why doesn't triggers work on mush for me
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i used the GUI to make it and its not triggering
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: probably because you did someting wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Tymas, thank you for your question.  What text are you trying to trigger off of?  Is the regex box at the right setting.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: What is a regex box?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ^Below you are large piles of armor$, Output: inventory
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: Send to is set to world
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: WHere is this text that you are trying to match?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ^Below you are large piles of armor$
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: No I mean where do you see it?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: its part of description at aylor recall..trying to test it
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Well the $ means that is the end of the line
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Try Below you are large piles of armor and equipment discarded by other
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: So i shouldn't add a * ?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: with the ^ and $ of course
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: I clicked on regular expression
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nod don't add a * yet.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: it doesn't work with ^ and *
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: but just the text by itself, Below you are large piles of armor and equipment discarded by other
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: that works
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: So you probably didn't have the regex box checked
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: the ^ and $ are regex symbols
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: the regex box isn't checked..it works when it isnt checked
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: when it is checked, it doesn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah Tymas that is the expected.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: what does regex box do?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If regex is not checked all text is already anchored
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Have look at Fiendish's website on how to make a trigger and such?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: no haven't seen it yet
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i am a regular user of zMud, thought making triggers would be easy here heh
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: but doesn't seem to be the case
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It is - just different I'd bet.
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: https://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/wiki/Introduction
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: how can I find out if there is broadband in east africa
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fugmug Tech: that's a pretty large region
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: holiday in Somalia?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: tanzania maybe kenya
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: Kilimanjaro?
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I was trying to find a map that showed internet coverage
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: Not overly interested in a big mountain, I must admit. Would like to visit Dar es Salaam and also see some of the beaches
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: and try out my Swahili
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fugmug Tech: there's a wikipedia page with a list of internet providers in tanzania
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: however, I really dread the thought of being without the internet for a long time
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: ah, nice, I wonder what kinds of speeds they get
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fugmug Tech: from a quick scan of google, nothing great, apparently they are short on fibre
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: somehow it seemed unlikely that even in somehwere like richer like nairobi they are all going to be sitting around with 8MB+ connections
T3/r7/2012-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Any web devs around? I have a trouble creating a Fancybox. The GET request succeeds, the window gets created but remains empty.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: hey, does anyone know how to make an alias send the commands on the top layer, the one that the mapper sees (in MUSHclient)?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: as in, I want an alias to call the mapper speedwalk
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: mapper goto?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: but all of the text is getting sent straight to the mud, instead of through the plugins as well like I want it to
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: how do I do that?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: change the dropdown box that says world
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: either set the send to field in the GUI to execute or set it to script and use world.execute "whatever"
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: oook so 'world.execute mapper goto (wherever)' will send only that command in that way
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: got it, thank you everyone!
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: Does anyone know the average bandwidth usage of Aardwolf for you as a player?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: as in, someone that I know wants to know how long you could play on a 50mb data usage plan
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: my phone says that in the last 10 mins I used 27k
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: playing like usual or idling?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: leveling.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: ahh cool
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: that is 162k an hour, which is about an mb every 7 hours
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hmm?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: I wish i could give you broader data, but aard doesnt register on my per month graph
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: nah that's a good enough ballpark
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Holiday in Cambodia Tech: about 2 weeks straight on a 50mb plan then
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: WHy isn't my trigger activating to  majestic fountain marks the center of the courtyard.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: mush client
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: It's actually slightly to the west, not exactly center. Maybe that?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: what u mean
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The fountain. It's not precisely in the center.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: can't it just trigger of the text
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: or do i need to add the spaces..
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i get to sendhia using mush mapper?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Get a portal, or walk.  Or make a script and read co-ords, but you're on your own there :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Lol :D Sendhia is trivia portal only, you need 15 tps
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: oh eff that xD
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: worth it though, compared to "runto vidblain, process coordinates"
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Or 'reach t8, use dark crystal'
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: yeah ill get right on that!
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Sendhia is quite possibly the first tp every char ever bought, to my knowledge
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: everything else can be reasonably reached using existing portals. there is a portal to another vidblain area but it's a few levels higher than sendhia mobs tend to start appearing on quests
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: well it isn't that tough to get to sendhia..but pretyt much save like 20 seconds everytime u go there..it adds up surely
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There are another 2 Vidblain portals at least, but all higher levels
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you ever try and gq in Sendhia range, that 20 seconds is enough to lose to most anyone else
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: thats why i said it adds up =D
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: personally I have a sendhia portal in each of my 7 bags
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That sounds...less than efficient
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: You are just jealous
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: that way you can type "get sendhia bag" and not have to worry about which bag.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Is anyone typing their portals at this stage?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: always keep your portals in the same bag Scurvy
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: and use the ID rather than the keyword name
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: IDs in general are fantastic for disambiguation
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: yes I have all that set up thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: if you are using MUSH, then the mapper will do portals for you, as will my speed walk plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Megaprime Tech: t
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: anyone out there VI using mush client?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Goddammit.  New program is installing (well, reinstalling, as everything uses them) .NET 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2012.   wtf can't it just install 2012 and go away :-( /rant
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Because then it'd be too easy.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Oh, here we go, DirectX is coming...9, 10, AND 11...just in case I want to try out different graphic modes
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: haha
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, because 11 should never be able to display what 9 and 10 can.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: All of these are on my computer already, why can it not just snoop the registry and find this out?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I can understand 9 and 11, as XP is blocked from 10 and 11...but surely they can check the Windows version and leave me alone :-(
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: I believe it's because there's a billion minor revisions of each of those, so you've got .NET version 2005.00010.11365666, version 2005.00010.11365897 etc
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: Not that that's any less obnoxious
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have Visual Studio on this machine, with the redist constantly updated...perhaps it is attempting to revert? idk, but now it's installing .NET 4.0, which to my knowledge is identical to the 2010 it installed earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}offline from 20:59:45 on September 19th through 00:20:42 on September 20th. tech -h only goes back to 21:58:24
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: maybe true, maybe not, but still interesting.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: we may not want to use it, but nuclear is still a possibility
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: as for running out of uranium...it depends on how many more LHCs we build because scientists need to look like they're actually doing something...something about international cooperation...something else about black holes...don't forget the higs bozon...oopse, we've just run out of energy, people, lights out.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: and if it's in space, there's no fallout for the earth
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: nuclear pulse is a good idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: we won't ever do it though.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: we almost did, but there was some sort of treaty about nuclear explosions in the atmosphere.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: if you set up a station on the moon outside the environmentalists and the governments, you can do whatever you want
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: if you blow up the moon, or throw it off it's orbit, people won't be very happy
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah. and then we might actually have another technological growth period.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: ya can't blow up the moon
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: The forces required to significantly shift the moon would be literally astronomical.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: idk. I kind of think that we need an alien invasion. There probably won't be one, and I personally wouldn't want one, but we're not going to see another jump like that with computers ffrom transistor radios in 30 years without some sort of unifying threat.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: to be honest, humanity is a sad race.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: there is a lot of garbage orbitting the planet -- each launch currently adds more garbage -- eventually launches into space shall be too dangerous -- unless the garbage is removed and or launches no longer add orbitting garbage
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well, anyone who CAN blow up the moon can't much be argued with if they wanna do it... >_>
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: and doing research in space will prevent any possibility of contamination of "MOTHER' earth
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: True that, Lokathor.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: someone should set up a garbage collection service
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: to be honest, we could mine it.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj7vMKy4EI
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: we could use all the space junk, which is steal and composits, to make a space station
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: not sure how well pressure sensitive land mines work in lower gravity
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: hell we could mine the space junk and refine it
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I personally liked the bit I got from someone else on another mud who's like really smart...if I had some nubmer of millions of dollars or such, I'd start a contest.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the contest: get some number of tons of water into orbit.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: they had a whole article on this on popular science
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: like 10 tons or 100 tons, don't care how, but get it into orbit. Possibly even more--the more the better--such that spacetravel begins to become cheeper.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: about using the space junk or shooting it back tothe earth
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: reminds me of that show, planetes...
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: when satellites are blown up, lots more orbitting space junk is added
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: how do you plan for water orbiting the planet to make space travel cheaper?  ride it like a river? :p but seriously, it'd be in containers, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the piont here isn't to have water in space.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: in that show, they had to start dealing with space debris to prevent kessler effect...
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the point here is to get the water into space.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I don't care if it's in containers, but I make the monitary reward such that chemical rockets are too expensive, but such that there might be another way.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: then use the process for cheaper human/misc space travel?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then I open it to everyone.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: so that guy in his garage, etc, anyone anywhere, and whoever does it gets the money.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: collecting the (high-velocity) space junk is likely to be dangerous and very expensive
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: some of you talk like you never took science classes in school
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: yeah, dealing with space debris is going to be bloody expensive. Would have to be done at some point though
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tyebald Tech: I get all the science I need from the bible.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: who put it there, we will make them pay
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i've got news.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the space debris won't be a convern for at least a couple hundred years.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: SCIENCE?  Psh!  Who needs that when you're AMERICAN.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: winkle's spellup isn't...spelling up... i checked disablespellup already, any ideas?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I mean, like...well, there's a whole lot of space in space.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wario Tech: can we say foot in mouth disease
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: gnarcyon - my idea is type spellup learned :)
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: water in a vacuum <-- that is science illiterate -- orbiting traces of water vapour in a vacuum is going to act like a friction
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah, hmm. so it is.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but it's technically water for a bit.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then it's...not water.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: yeah cam i think they're concerned about the 'getting out of orbit' part of getting into space... if it gets really bad maybe they'll make space maps of the orbiting debris and charts for when it will be above each location.... maybe have space-air-traffic control/navigators...
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but that's not the point of it. the point isn't that it's water in space--it could easily be iron or styrofoam, or ashes.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: zela i think you missed all the points relating to water that were made
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zela conjectures what high velocity water vapor does to spacesuits and satellites
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: yeah and to keep it together it'd need to be in some kind of sealed container... (unless its a hunk of metal)
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: there's a helmet on display, i think at the smithsonain, where there's a microscope pointed at the right spot where you can see a single atom sized hole in the mesh of the faceplate where a cosmic ray went through
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if we actually came up with a sane way to get into space, we'd be able to put on the breaks, or so I think. We're close to being able to do space elevators, as it is, and I really think electrohydrodynamic thrusters might be a possibility in a hundred years. I've heard about something getting close to being in space using weather ballloons (some university did it--I don't remember who) and there's a jet that almost can too.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: there wouldnt be high velocity water vapor
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it wasn't a big enough hole to let out O2 molecules though
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the velocity of something in a vacuum depends only on the velocity we give it.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: Water would probably become a vapour, but it wouldn't ahve a high velocity relative to the earth.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it'd hvae a high velocity relative to, say, the sun.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but technicaly, the sun has a high velocity relative to the center of the galaxy, so.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: a rentry vehicle upon encountering air molecules starts to glow initially (the air is initially thin)
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: some idiot-nation dumping water into orbitting space is going to cause satellites to slow down eventually into a decaying orbit -- requiring more fuel to be expended, causing more orbitting vapour to be added -- getting rid of orbitting vapour is nigh impossible
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: on the bright side, it could help deorbit a lot of debris as well...
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the poit isn't that it be *water*.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: burnt rocket fuel is usually carbon dioxide and water
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: you wouldnt just throw/dump water into space, zela
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: they do it all the time, now..
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: waste water gets purged all the time
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: besides, at those temperatures, it'd be ice, not vapour. lots of tiny little ice shards floating around. ouch!
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Marlis skipped science classes
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: Merlis
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well, i'm not sure if the fact that it's ice and not vapor is a huge deal at such speeds
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: I'm insulted, but i concede your point in this case. It would be too far apart to really be classified as ice.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: but it would be moving slowly so it wouldnt fit under the traditional definition of a vapour either
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: the danger from vapour is negligible compared to the damage that encountering high-velocity space junk does
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: you guys have all read the "what if" series that the XKCD guy writes, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: of course
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Merlis Tech: nope lok
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: http://what-if.xkcd.com/ it's like, exactly the kind of thing this sort of conversation is about
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: anything orbitting is usually high velocity, including vapour.  if not, the slow moving vapor is in a decaying orbit, or falls to the atmosphre
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fiendish Tech: I don't read xkcd. that'd just be weird.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Etzli Tech: Oh, goodie. Another round of Xyliz talk!
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim snickers with Etzli about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fiendish Tech: huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: is it possible to get files off of a hard drive that is in a computer that doesn't turn on anymore?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: yes. remove the hard drive and mount it in a computer that does turn on
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: put the drive in external enclosure or another computer
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: ok :) i guess i mean is there a way that i can not open the new computer to do it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: external enclosure then
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: is that a special piece that i'll need to get?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: Yes, and it's easily available from Amazon, New Egg, etc. USB2 or 3 interface for ease of use.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: cool, thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: so, is there a way to have some commands you enter automatically deleted from the command history?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: specifically, i'd like channel commands to not be kept in history so i won't repeat them on accident and look stupid
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: in mushclient, i should say
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Oh, not that I'm aware of in Mushclient (or any client for that matter), sorry.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pondering Penthesilea Tech: it's just me but I wouldn't worry about occasional mischan here and there :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do I make a trigger to bash everytime i type: k %1
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: that's an alias, not a trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: Hrm?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: anyone free atm?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i have a recurrent mushclient problem
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just ask, worst case scenario is silence...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: speak your problem
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i have s&d and Winkle's extender as a plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: when i log in, the mush shows no output after indexing area and skills/spells
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i've tried reinstalling mush but still have the same problem
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i add a trigger to bash if i get aggro'd?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: occasionally, i get through and the outputs and everything shows correctly
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: I've had that problem too, I think it has to do with your pagesize
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: my pagesize is now 0
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i've tried setting it to 0, 25, etc but the problem keeps recurring
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Type 'echocommands' - this will show if your mud input is going through, at least
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: well that solved it for me
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: tymas adding in an attackskill based on a trigger is botting.  its not allowed.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i can't see whether it is echoing
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Cera, reacting to aggro is not botting intrinsically
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: there is no output: the only output i can see is from the 'communication log' on the top
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: set one up with an alias or macro and pay attention, use it if you get attacked.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If you have no output even from echocommands, you have a catchall trigger which is not being switched off correctly
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: as in, some trigger is eating everything
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: ah, i understood the 2nd one
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: any way i can fix it? the plugins are the ones that came with the aard pack install
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Disable plugins one at a time, find out which one lets everything come back.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: thanks for telling me to disable
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: somehow the output came back
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i am now finding out which one it is
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Once you find out which plugin has the problem, find out whether it's a Fiendish plugin or Winkle plugin, and go from there
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: vakieh i dont think that's right.  if you accidently walk away in an aggro room and get attacked, and you have triggers set up so you kill the mob.. every repop.. that WILL get you in trouble.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: i have found it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Yes - which is why I said intrinsically.  They can be botting in certain unattended circumstances
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: the defective plugin was 'aardwolf prompt fixer'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But there are a LOT of people on the mud right now with reaction triggers for things like backstab, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That sounds like it would have a catchall trigger :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Do you have prompt enabled?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: back to my suggestion.. make an alias or macro and pay attention.  if you get aggro's while in another window or whatever, you should die.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: yes (you will now see prompts)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i put an alias in the output?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: any bad stuff happens if i disable it?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Try with and without, see what happens.  Then get a hold of Winkle at some stage and try and nut out the original issue
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have no idea what that plugin is for, I don't use snd/extender
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Furrier Everybody Tech: okay, i will :) thank you for the advice again!
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: reaction triggers to backstab?  you mean being backstabed?  I've never been backstabed...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No, I mean things like combat backstab on aggro, or spiral, or whatever.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In a group, with triggers for damage spells and skills the instant you get autoassisted into combat
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Instant nukebot if done afk, but afaik perfectly legal with a body actively playing
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i dont.  if i get aggro'ed and didnt realize it, I die, or it dies after taking a lot of my hps.  I have to hit an alias or macro (i have both) to do anything more then melee in any fight.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the prompt fixer plugin is just needed once, and then never needed again...all it does is ensure that your prompt/bprompt end in %c
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I don't use many action triggers at all, though I have pots of aliases.  As I said though...a WHOLE lot of players do this
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: vakieh i go by the.. what would happen if I simply walked away, would I continue to gain exp and possible level?  if yes, then don't do it.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: regardless of botting rules, a trigger to automatically do combat stuff on aggro is the easiest way to get yourself killed...you can't flee when you've stacked attacks, so getting aggroed by an entire room is doom
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: yes vakieh, i'm not talking about what other players get away with, I'm talking about what is allowed.  trigger based combat skills are not.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Get away with? It is legal
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: if you have something to fight when attacked, I think it's botting unless you will never ever ever leave your computer even if your house catches on fire and your parents/kids get a heart attack and fall over... in which case you might need to be nuked for your own good!
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Siren Cera shakes her head.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Trigger based combat skills are absolutely allowed, so long as you are actively playing.  Get caught doing it afk, and it's botting
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: How do I put a alias in the output?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: botting doesnt require you to be gone.  you can bot sitting at the computer watching.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: tymas i have no idea what you mean by "in the output"
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: as i have it ... if any trigger starts a fight... its botting
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: #alias {k *} {kill %1
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: t} , t in this case, being another alias
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: ah.. mush doesnt allow that on its own
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tymas: go into the aliases settings, click to add a new one, put what you want to type in the top part, put what you want it to do in the bottom part...if you want it to use another alias in it, then use the send to drop-down to send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Right, you cannot trigger to start combat.  But you can trigger spells, skills, pots, etc in combat
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: you want to build an alias from the command line?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ya
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: read what Abe said.  go into the settings.. crtl+shift+9  (or 8?)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: 9
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aardmush ships allowing you to make aliases from the command line, but I don't believe it sets to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: fiendiesh added in an alias to make aliases.. thats right.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: but just simple ones, ones that dont take an argument.  you can alies 'km' to 'kill mob' but cant add in a %1... not from the commandline I dont think.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually in reading the #alias one, it does set to execute by default...you probably just need to double-up your ;s
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: heh, cool.  you can set an argument.  neat
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i make an alias for ee to do : mapper cexit open east,e and for it to actually work
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: like alias ee open east;east?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: yeah but add it to the mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: or not a mud alias?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: oh, cexit
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: #alias {ee} {mapper cexit open east;
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ya
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: that doesnt work, it doesnt add it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: your best bet is to have alias such as opr e = open east;east
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: #alias {ee} {mapper cexit open east;east}
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: with two semi colons but not one
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rarshin Tech: use two ;
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: and alias mce * = mapper cexit *
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: it doesnt detect the mapper thing
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: you dont have it installed then
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i do
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: it works if i type it by myself
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: but if i use alias, it doesnt work
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tymas: finger fiendish, go to his mushclient site (hey wrote aardmush), click the wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: open up the alias and check expand variables
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on his wiki is tons of info, you want included plugins, featured plugins, gmcp-driven mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: expand variables doesnt work
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: alt+enter, go to the alias tab. find it. open the alias then check expand varaibles on the right
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're not dealing with variables
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no reason to expand them
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: its one of the options at least
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: I just made the alias, it works fine
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: Added alias to match on 'ee', sending 'mapper cexit open east;east'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: CEXIT: WAIT FOR CONFIRMATION BEFORE MOVING. This should take about 2 seconds.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: my best guess is i need to change something in the send to, instead of sending to word
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ooh how'd u do that
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mokg, his issue is in how he's adding it...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I made my alias 'md *', which sends 'mapper cexit open %1;%1'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mokg Tech: send to execute
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: adding from command line means that he's double/triple parsing, so he needs extra ;s
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ah send to execute worked
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Why waste time adding like that?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Just whip open the gui, use that instead.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just doubling the ; would make the send part of the alias send a single ;...he needs the send part of the alias to send a double ;...whether that would require ;;; or ;;;; dunno how mush parses...and not sure if prepending the entire line with ; will let the #alias functionality work offhand
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It requires ;;;;
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Or with a leading ;, just ;;
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But still...gui much easier :D
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: does the leading ; still parse an anchored mush alias?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: (had to check)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: anyone know how to make an alias/macro to open up your browser? What I want is an alias to open up the voting page
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: idk myself, but the code exists in the comms log if you want to trawl through that
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: idk but i got bast's plugin group and it has a little window that i click on and it takes me right to the vote page
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: don't even know how to find the comms log :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OpenBrowser function
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Me, I just have both vote pages in my browser link bar :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ashiya Tech: guess that'll have to do vakieh :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: is there a generic miniwindow plugin that I can easily add/remove arbitrary hyperlinks?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: like a voting reminder that desn't act on its own but sets me a little reminder in the corner
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not hard to make, really...hardest part would be the interface to add/remove them
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast's doesn't act on its own
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it pops up when time to vote, with links to both sites
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: neat I'll find and adapt it, thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i turn triggers off on mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: checkbox in trigger configuration
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: right click, world configuration, triggers, enable triggers checkbox
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: there isn't a quicker way? a shortcut?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: Ctrl-Shift-8 shortcut for trigger configuration, you still have to click "enable triggers" yourself
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: ah k
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vannel Tech: could probably write an alias to disable all triggers/trigger groups and macro that alias if you really want a 1 touch solution
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: In tintin - is there any way to have more than one action match the same line?  Similar to keep_eval in Mushclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: I just used mushclient last night now I am back to using Gmud32 now it says (chan ch=ftalk) before anything on ftalk and Im getting map coordinates when I look what room Im in. what is the command to turn that crap off for Gmud?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: help tags
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: tags off
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Tags off will turn off all tags - there's a chance some are still being used by gmud32...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I doubt it.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher snickers with Book of Etzli about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not much reason to use tags in gmud32...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: anyone know how to pull the entire image from todays xkcd?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Use RSS? :p
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: one sec
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Hehe so MUSH must have turned tags on automatically for my char so triggers can work on it...then it carried over into my poopy but easier to look at gmud32
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: More or less.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Etzli.. its not on the feed either.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de/#10/1.1006/0.1998
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I get the image in my RSS feed. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: you can zoom, pan, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: awesome
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: now i can actually make it to class today :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: xD
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: etz.. it was in a flash container or something... im curious how it gave you the full image, unless he changed it since it was posted
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, from today's xkcd... Hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I missed "todays"
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nice. Thanks for the link
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sevorin Tech: no problem
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: anyone got the adress where to download the latest version of mushclient. my comp blew 2 days ago.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolfclientpackage/
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why would mush say an alias subroutine can't be found when it's defined right there in the plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if the plugin encountered an error, it may have shut off that part of it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i dunno i had to change an alias to a couple triggers in my plugin...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try reloading the plugin or restarting mush
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hrm, i commented out everything else and it loads
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: so now i need to scrutinize it to figure out where the error actually is :P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: missing "end" on previous function?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah! i had a variable with the same name as the function :P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: thats always annoying
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: I'm not a geek, I swear!
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: we believe you :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: WHEW
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I R Geek
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (gotta have more talent to be a geek }:>)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: 15 years in this profession.  I think I qualify.  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, time served doesn't give talent :P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: touche'
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm sitting next to a guy right now who's "been in IT for 10 years"...he just wrote notes for himself on how to add a shared printer }:>
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: do you have 15 years experience, or 1 years experience 15 times?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: wow  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that's OK, he's gonna be the only one left here in 3-4 weeks, with 100+ computers to replace :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Only IT Guy at my company.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: got a question, got a new better computer than my old one now. and my mud seems to run alot smother now. Is it because of uninstalled plugins? or just a faster computer?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: It's because of placebo.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod, but it actually runs smother. so it can
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: cant be a placebo effect.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Diaga Tech: how do I flip a modified button? i am using my android phone to play.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: what is the best way to leave android client running for half an hour - quest reset?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: It's a safe bet if a video card has HDMI out it will pass audio over the hdmi port, right?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i dunno i wouldn't think so
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, that depends on how new it is.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if the audio card is also your soundcard, i.e. the nvidia chipset, it probably does.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but iirc, audio wasn't always part of hdmi, so older ones may not.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: safer bet to assume it "can", not that it "will", and that you probably need to go change default audio device or something.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/345368-33-hdmi-audio-pass-through
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Thanks for HDMI info Camlorn and Vorpes.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: .. little delayed of a response by me, i know =x
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pantalaimon Tech: the 4 on an atx 20+4 power supply == cpu 4pin power supply, right? I'm confused. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: older motherboard use 20 pin power connections new ones use 24 that means it'll work on either
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: most have an extra 4 pin cpu plug
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: main thing to look for are 6 pin vid card plugs... if you intend to buy a power thirsty vid card...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caressa Tech: this is odd....i got a popup that says "sd card unexpectedly removed" snd there is no sd card in this phone
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Short circuit, maybe.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Well, not anymore, there's not.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Leinei about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caressa Tech: could it be caused by games i downloaded
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Is it a popup for a certain app, or just from the OS?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Doubt it.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: the movable map, that shows the room you are in. is that implemented in the mud?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then yes.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod. how do i turn it on?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: automap
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: automap
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: it's in your config options.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Funny how you're a t9 with 5 redos and don't know anything about Aardwolf. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: plz, it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: its not that map im talking about
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: its the bast map
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: i think
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: if it's basts, then how would it be in-game? *blink*
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Then the answer is no
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then you should be more specific now, shouldn't you. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: dunno if it was implemented in the mud or in his client.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: i had a movable map a few days ago before my computer crashed.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: sounds like fiends mapper... try the plugin window?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you all need t learn to play with no maps. we can throw out triggers, too, and let's get rid of aliases.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: 17-0 in 1st quarter
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: HAHAHAHAH yeah. Let's do all of that.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Score: NYG: 17 CAR: 0 (11:54 2nd quarter) CAR has possession of the ball.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er... mis.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: Well, I do that...no aliases, the only trigger I have sends my prompt to something sensible, and no maps.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aren't you special?! :P
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Aliases are such a godsend it's unbelievable.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and this isn't just aardwolf, this is like, every mud ever. Even muds where 99% of people bot everything, and you can go download "auto character leveller 1.0"...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I got interrupted by phone, but what I was leading up to is, it's not necessarily "better", but I get amusement out of all these "how do I do x with plugin" questions and such.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher yawns.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: anyone know what the gaardian maps are internally?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The VI ones or the text-searchable ones?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the VI ones.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I bet it's all the smae thing internally...
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'm just wondering how easy that'd be to parse, because a mushclient plugin version of the vi maps can be made to work better, as the mushclient scripting capabilities include the ability to call into the screen reader directly.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: atm, it doesn't work right in firefox, and I get all sorts of "read only edit. read only edit. output from the map. smoe more read only edit spam".
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Looks like it's just table
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's in internet explorer. it does work though...so.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm. leme see. what'd you do, view source?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not sure how they were built, but that looks like how they're stored
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: just a table with javascript functions to transverse it
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: with each room having 10 properties
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: the 6 exits, room name, not sure what else
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: doors, and such.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but this is parseable.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: oh actually, no, the room exits are separate
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: but nods
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if reformatted, it's almost valid lua. it's an interesting mental exercise, maybe I'll do it at some point.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: or better yet, the aardwolf map itself could probably be made the same way.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i hiighly highly doubt the aardwolf maps are stored internally as bitmaps.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: idk. if I stick around longterm, I may look.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: blarg. I take that back.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: Don't know enough javascript and there's probably a good reason, but...hmm...probably easier to write my own importer.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Martin Tech: Have you considered hiring a Mexican?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i.e. instead of putting exits separate, put exits in an array on each room and do stuff...it's an interesting puzzle.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: no, wait, they did what I would do. I've got lacking javascript knowledge.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: any linux/debian expert here?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: define expert.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I can use ssh. therefore, I am an expert. compared to an ant.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just ask your question. Don't ask if there are experts.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what is this... Linux?
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: what is this excetute command for..chmod +x
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chmod+%2Bx
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: ... Google is your friend. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Vakieh.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ah. chmod +x.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: gives execute bit to file.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: go look up linux permissions. do not, ever, play with chmod until you look up linux permissions.
T3/r7/2012-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, it's ok if it's your machine and you ahve sudo access...but.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Bloody Bladedge Tech: i used mush earlier and now im back using cmud.  i have all these commands  before channels and when i enter an area {in this}.  how do i get rid of it
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: tags off
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: and perhaps statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Bloody Bladedge Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Can someone please search for Kolwiki in google and tell me what the first result it? sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why not you?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Because the first result should be kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki, but i'm not getting that
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: personalized search results perhaps?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: and I've tried both logged in and out of google, with the same result
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Neither do I. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Yea, I thought so too lokathor, but I'm trying being logged out :P and it's not on my blocked site list in google, either
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: First result: forums.kingdomofloathing.com
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: yea, that's what i'm getting
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: thanks you
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i seem to recall being able to make some text be underlined in mushclient based on a trigger, but that was long ago and I can't seem to figure it out again.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i'd like the phrase "Your magic is blessed with the luck of Ayla!" to be underlined when it appears is all
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you can set font styles in triggers themselves without having to script it
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: display menu
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: highlight word...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: or ctrl-alt-h
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: does that allow underlines? where is the list stored, and can I un-highlight words?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: Highlight Word lets me change colors only
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: oh
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: in that case, check out http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?general=triggers
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: also, in the trigger editor, the "replace with" part of the editor has all the bold/italic/underline check boxes grayed out for some reason
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: on that I can't comment, as I do not know who Ron Paul is
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: sorry, mischan
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Ron Paul is just this guy, you know?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: he was running for president.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: ... of the U.S. to be specific :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it really was a mischan:-)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: So.. are you implying he wasn't a guy?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: was?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: all I could think of was Snake Plissken saying "President of what?" lol
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: Please move to debate or gossip or something more appropriate.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's already on debate -- it really, really was a mischan. I am sorry. Please forgive me.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Let that be a lesson to you never to make a typo ever again =p
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys..how to execute a directory?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: guillotine ?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Hang it. Might also try shootign.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hmm..in debian
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: What's it mean anyway?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Directories aren't programs
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: let say..i mkdir this file name call tunnel.sh..how to i execute it?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: #./tunnel.sh
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: but you don't exec directories.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: you can't execute a directory, you can execute a file IN a directory though
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: make it turn green
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: imalish knows the answer where none of us even understand the question
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: touch tunnel.sh will make a file iirc.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: ... rmdir tunnel.sh  ... then touch tunnel.sh  ... then chmod +x tunnel.sh
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: ... might be a bit rusty ... been a bit since i used *nix
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Murphisto is agreeing with that Imalish person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: then ./tunnel.sh to run it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: iirc directorys and executables have different colors when you list with ll
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: but i suppose thats probably console specific based on configs
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: i am confuse
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: whois reina
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: your script won't do anything though, unless you edit it, and put in some code.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: "touch tunnel.sh" simply creates an empty file by that name.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: yeah but its actually creates a file instead of a directory
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: after that?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: Well then the chmod allows it to be executed.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: so it cannot use mkdir make it?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: Nope, that makes a folder.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: do i need putting some code inside..before i chmod it?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: at some point, yes. But not necessarily before the chmod.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Well, there's nothing inherently stopping you from designing a language that can be encoded in filenames, and hacking an interpreter into the kernel's image activator...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Murphisto Tech: A IA major friend of mine did something like that, but used faked pid's to convey info out of a secure system.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: MUDs don't do any serious damage to Smartphone data-rates, do they?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: can't imagine they do
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It's text - compressed if you use MCCP.  They're probably some of the lightest weight web games you'll find.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: Cool. Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: oh but yes, MCCP is vital to keeping your data low. It's like 20% of the uncompressed size or something on average.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: some extreme amount
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: Are the Smartphone apps built for MCCP? 
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: you'd have to check, it's part of the specific app, not just a thing on the phone in general
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: Like blowtorch?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: OK, I gotcha, thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: their google play page says they have MCCP in it, yeah. just do a quest once you login with it to check, if you have MCCP you'll get the +2qp
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Abernacky Tech: right-o. Thank you for looking!
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: hmm, can
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: cant save my script, what change do i have to do in windows7 to be able to save it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A cute Yulian Tech: Installing Windows XP would work.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: turn off data access prevention and learn to live your life again
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A cute Yulian Tech: More seriously, most people ahve 2 harddrives - one with Windows and one for data storage. If you do not own 2 harddrives, you can always make 2 partitions on your main disk ... keep your programs on the second drive, for both better performance and letting the programs have more access right, without needing to compromize your computers security.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A cute Yulian Tech: Alternatively, in some cases, starting the program by rigth clicking it and running it as admin or with special priviledges also, in some cases, work
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: okay so moving mushclient to the other drive should work?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: thanks yulian
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't need to have any other partition for mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just get it out of the program files hierarchy
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: hah i have 4 physical cut into like 8 partitions
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: 1 for windows 1 for programs/games 1 for user profile 1 for music 1 for programming 1 for videos 1 for linux disc and 1 unallocated
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: the linux disc is vm
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and for the suggestions an hour ago...to test to see if your client is using mccp, don't take a quest and look for the 2 QPs, just type "compress" to test
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun casts Compression  XD
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: tried to move it to the other harddrive, it still doesnt allow me to save the script, i right clicked on mushclient and tried to run it as admin, didnt work either. Am i doing something wrong?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm working on aliases for archery.  currently set as ttn 'target north %1;shoot;north;backstab %1'.  It isn't working.  Am I doing this right?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: the alias does it have a *?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: no.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: wait is this alias a mushclient alias or are you doing it mudside?  latter won't work.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: it's mudside
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: so it has to be a MC alias?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yeah won't work can only have one argument at the very end mudside
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can't use %1 in mudside aliases
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: and don't use anything to show where the vlaue goes
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok.  If it's a MC alias, can I put 2 variables in it?  %1 and %2.  %1 = dir, %2 = target
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: take what you have, add a star at end of ttn and put the rest in the alias in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: yes you can
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: juts need two *
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: here's my odd computer issue. win7. when I restart it after an update, say to the newest itunes, it will get stuck on that blank screen with a blinking cursor. I have found the way to solve it is to restart the computer with the modem's ethernet cable unplugged from the computer. what gives?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: also io6 causes more problems than it solves
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I've have issues with iTunes after it upgrades.  I've had to uninstall it, reboot, and reinstall it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I didn't even mention itunes but you're right, now it won't open
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: all I have is ituneshelper.exe which clearly isn't doing its job
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: the helper is the prog that looks for your iDevices and syncs the cloud now ( I think).  end it and try restarting iTunes
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: funny how itunes needs to restart after updating but not to uninstall/reinstall
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: the restart is typically to restart/re-queue services.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: anyone wanna help guide me through, so i can save my script
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: gotta run as admin or something
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alucard: how are you trying to save a script? I've never run MUSHclient as admin
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: sorry got a new keyboard hard to type at it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: i try click on the save world button
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: access was denied
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: save world details?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: there is a quick button to save the world on mushclient. in the left corner
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: hwo do I check mush build version
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: click the x in the right corner
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trez: type "checkversion"
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alucard: right-click your MUSHclient folder, go to the security tab, give yourself full control
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also, when you start up MUSHclient, does a box pop up asking if you really want to run it?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: maby i can try shut it on and off and se
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: anything i should do if the box turns up?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if so, right-click MUSHclient itself, go to properties, click "unblock"
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod ill try brb
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clevergadget Tech: I'll recreate YOUR out of memory error!
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: is it really necessary to update to those new builds
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: r1602 to July's
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: read the changelist
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: nod seems to work now. no error message.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: thanks abe
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: but still cant remove my old installed mushclient from c:
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: need to be administrator to do that
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can't find the changelog
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: won't update
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on fiendish's site, click source, browse source, truck, mushclient, AardwolfPackageChanges.txt
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll tell you all the changes
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: or just download it and open it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, if a downloading 7 MB file and opening a zipfile is preferable to looking at a web page for you :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: nod, no major changes
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cept maybe group window but it doesn't seem to lag
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you should see cmud's...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: even on epics you're OK?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: not sure if it updates often enough etc
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but no visual lagging or flickering, or anything
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the big issue was when you drag-resized in a big group...if you just have it sit there, it's good
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the only problems i've had with resizing windows in cmud are if there's a large scrollback and it needs to re-word-wrap everything
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh resizing is choppy ye
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cmud's windows flicker when updated it's so uglyass
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I might be thinking about the status window I can't remember anymore
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mine doesn't, except in really big groups
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but they're hella easier to make }:>
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye for sure
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I'm happier with cmud overall
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: converted my rainbow script, wtf more can one ask for!
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You ack!
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you updated it for 256 colors?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye :P otherwise too ugly
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cmud supported 256 too, the V3
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, but aard didn't until recently
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: well ye
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: script wasn't so old
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: cmud used to freeze the last few months too
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: some memory address errors.. mush has been sweet so far
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what I like most tho is, I can go look for lua code on any non-mud related site and it'd work here
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: finding new ideas to do stuff etc
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it'd work no better than it'd work in cmud :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: thought cmud is zscript or some crap
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and I couldn't write functions myself
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can use any language supported by the windows scripting host in cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: do people do that
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I prolly didn't know until I moved to mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: most people just use zscript, etzli and i in particular have written a lot in lua for cmud
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why do you like cmud better
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, i've never really made an effort to use mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Ozzy I think uses some ancient zmud version
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's not really a question of liking one better, this is just what i've always used, what i'm most familiar with
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: fine enough reason to use it, ye
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I believe ozzy mostly uses the latest zmud, but he has an ancient version to do stuff like map exporting by area
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and has links to the really old versions
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: dude you need to have xterm it pains me every time
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: mis :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: was reading your msg while typing on ft
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how do I get the mapper miniwin to show the bigmap when running again?  I toggled it a while back and forgot
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: bigmap on?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Or maybe maprun if you mean the ASCII map.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: it was bigmap on.  thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: what happened to that one guy
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: that was gonna make a web client
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: better than mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: anyone know the best way to resend a text on iphone?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: the exclamation mark is aard alias I think
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: ye it is
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: things people think that .net needs: the magic faerie finally block.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's a joke, yes...but idk. I thought it was funny.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: anyone know how to log a line of text that matches a regular expression and append it to a file? I'm using tt++
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: You need to set up an #ACTION {{<regexp>>}} {#LINE LOG {<file>} {<line>}}
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: And that will append it to the file rather than overwriting it?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Yep
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ancient Odysseus Tech: can anyone tell me how to turn off the bigmap on the aard mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: uninstall the bigmap plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ancient Odysseus Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: bigmap off
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: mapper hide/mapper show
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: are the toggle commands
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah, you don't want to lose the mapper too
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: mapper hide/show is not for bigmap
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: at least not exclusively
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soulhunter Tech: if one of my miniwindows is stuck in mushclient.. how do i close it..
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: disable the plugin that created it
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Soulhunter Tech: that did not make the window close..
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: does anyone know if you can just download the communication window from fiendishs homepage
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: how do you make an alias or some way to do several commands? I tried the 
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: semicolon but it still only does the first part
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: what client
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: I am trying to use my can to go to recall then dual my other weapon
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: alias {rc} {runto campaign|campaign request}   isntead of the | put a semicolon
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ingame aliases need 2 semi colons, and only pass an argumemnt to the first command, mush aliases don't use semi colons
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: ok
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: oh command line... used to the gui way in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and never use runto in a MUSH alias...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use mapper goto #, where # is the room number for the room you wish to reach
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: mapper goto is far more useful and efficent
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: ok, so you would have to know the number of the room and not use coords
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: coords are totally different
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: use mapper find to find the number, or get there and then type mapper thisroom
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: or hover the mouse on the room, but that gets annoying :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so for Tymas's thing, ;#alias {rc} {mapper goto 32614;campaign request} would be better
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll work from anyplace that the mapper can find a way out of, whereas runto won't
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: esp handy once you setup a portal for hotel or recall...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: starting the line with a ; makes it not stop when you get to the ; separating the two commands
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: otherwise #alias {rc} {mapper goto 32614;campaign request} would have sent #alias {rc} {mapper goto 32614 to the MUD followed by campaign request} to the MUD
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so you can either use double-;s for each & every ; in the line, or just start the line with the ;
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and for Alucard's question earlier, yes, you can download just the comm plugin, but it will be wholly unsupported and likely won't work because it relies on many other included things
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twigg Tech: I see, thanks for the help
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: Either drudgereport got hacked or he posted the wrong link: Ann Romney's plane "emergency landing" points to a story about a 60lb woman.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: its the latter
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: I assumed so.. looks like it is the title now
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it's the drudge report, so safe money says just your average lack of attention to detail.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably just a typo
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: Actually its now linked to a real story
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: hope she's ok
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Whats the command to turn off this crap like {chan ch=ftalk} from appearing on my screen on Gmud?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: tags
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: tags off
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: I got it thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: I got it thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: why do keep switching between mush and gmud? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: Because you're indecisive?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: One ios for socializing it up and one is for questing it up. I like the way Gmud looks I guess Im more used to it. Force of habit dont judge me
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: heh i gave up on gmud years ago... started using al client :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it's like gmud but can store vars
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elkore Tech: al client?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Al Bundy Client
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Gmud?  Can it even do triggers?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: too bad it has it's own scripting language
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah it does trigs but can't do/store variables
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Yeah it "can" do triggers but not the good ones and it cannot store vars like Santher said
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: storing variables in memory is what, a babbage-machine time thing?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm not sure if the gmud being referred to here is the same gmud I used before switching to zmud back in 2000
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: Im using Gmud32
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: My other one is MUSHClient
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: why not just use mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: or tintin
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: GMUD is clutter free for me
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: mush can be too :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: or any client, pretty much
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: I know its not better but I just like it. I use my MUSHclient when it suits me though. I'll get over it an switch sooner then later though
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: persoanlly i like having 4 windows (2 of them maps)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i always know where i am :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kallow Tech: any mudlet users out there?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kallow Tech: any mudlet users out there?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Remember November Tech: It'd be interesting to take a poll to see the distribution of client usage on Aard.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kallow Tech: sorry about the double tell
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: type client :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kallow Tech: santher thanks ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kallow Tech: off
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: 2 players using al client :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: hey i got a file here not sure whats wrong with it could someone check?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: dude it sounds like you're trying to give me a keylogger
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: What appears to be wrong? Or what's wrong?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or kiddie porn
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: inherit "std/room"
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: thats not it its a mud file
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: well here ill stick in it the channel
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok one sec
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's lpc...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hang on. let me see what your question is.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: If it's a longer script or something, you can use pastebin
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's lpc.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I don't think this is the appropriate place to ask.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if you want help with lpc coding, check out lpmuds.net, or get on the i3 network...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok goto http://pastebin.com/KrWridxZ
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah. this is lpc.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but you're not telling us what's wrong with it, and this really probably isn't the appropriate place to ask, as you're basically asking how to make another mud, but maybe I'm reading too much into the don't advertise rule.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok here's what the error file says one sec ill give u the url
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you should seriously go post this on lpmuds.net.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but I'll take a quick look.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what's the mudlib?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: here's the site: http://pastebin.com/0jE4MAs6
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: and its just a small test mud me and my friends made called madmud
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I need to know the name of the mudlib, not the mud.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok one sec
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: When I write #line LOG {<file>} {01:24 %0} the %0 disappears for some reason. Anyone with a clue why? I'm using tt++
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: and the 01:24 is my time variable
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what you have given me is a stack trace.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: .tmb
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you need to tell me, in your own words, what is going wrong. does it not compile?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: yeah it wont compile
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and I need to know what the mudlib is.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hang on, then. mauybe it's at the end. but I don't see a compilation error.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I don't need a stack trace--that's telling me wheere the error was caught--I need the error itself. what line is breaking?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: }
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: this is the broken line.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ("room/sub/door_trap"->query_west_door() ? " closed" : "n open") +
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: change it to:
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ("room/sub/door_trap"->query_west_door() ? " closed" : ": "open") +
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but I really need you to give me more information before i can be sure.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: thanks a bunch srry im the least experienced in the group i only program rooms and monsters and weapons and spells, i dont actually make the game
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah. but seriously.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'd not ask on this channel.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Applier Tech: ok i have to go thx a lot :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: all...right.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'll not be helping him again.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: or help him in tells
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, he ignored everything I said. including there's a more appropriate forum. and I'll jus tpiont out that the coding mistake is a typo.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is has been my tech know how for the last decade and then some :P
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: for some reason smart people like this game
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I started writing a mud once.  I gave the code to this Lasher guy.  Not sure if he did anything with it or not......
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: lol
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, it's like, I think that's borderline mud advertisement and would be frowned upon, but he only wanted to hear "here's how to fix it", and I suspect he logged on only to get help.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: direct him to IRC next time  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, there's an intire inetermud network.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and if you're on anything semi-modern, you've got access to it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i3 is fun. I wish everyone was on i3.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: tbh, I should just go write an i3 mushclient plugin, but I probably won't.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what is the intermud network site?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i have no intention of starting a mud... hard to get playerbase going... aard was able to skip a lot of that by scopping aardvark players
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, I've got a project idea, and I think I could get players, because it's basically as far from anything that anyone's ever done ever.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: lpmuds.net has info on it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm a Java guy mostly so I started playing with a particular java-based mud engine just for kicks
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: there's code snippets for all the c/c++ codebases, and almost all the lpmud packages that cratylus offers have it preconfigured and ready to go.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I don't want to go into details because I don't want to be in violation of policy--given that I have 0 lines written towards it, no one would probably care, but...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: nice to know.  I haven't really touched C code since my qmail days
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the trick to getting players now is to do any of these three things: offer something that can't be found on any other mud, offer an mobile client, and don't promote until you're open; if you do choose to promote, be clear that this is beta and that you're not "open".
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: oh I know.  THat's why I'm not writing one.  I barely have time to play Aard  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: there's clok, which is new and basically was some guy just deciding "hey, let's write a mud", and he's now in the topp 20--this is in last 2 years or so, so it can definitely be done.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I grew up on the T2T mentality that you lose your inv/gear when you log out
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: getting strange write errors off of zmud of all things in the last week, it supposedly trying to write in the lower 64k range... which I thought was generally reserved for BIOS. Should I be checking for a memory error, overwriting zmud.exe or running a low level check on my hd?
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you should be checking for corruption in your zmud exe.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: nothing can write in that range on most oses...it's not reserved for bios, iirc, but it's normally where parts of the os go, if I had to guess, the second stage of a multistage bootloader.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: okay, thanks I'll replace it with a clean zmud.exe
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I have a huge variety of bits of knowledge--my general knowledge of computer sis really, really wide, but not very deep in any area just yet.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twisting FatesDagger Tech: it is strange for a executable to be causing an issue 2 months after I clean installed the system. I feared a much worse problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, most OSes protect that memory area.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it should outright crash.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: on some oses, the whole computer should then follow--windows--and it's not pretty.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but the last point I wanted to make on the mud thing: you can divorce the codebase from the text, writing a message-based system, such that the text is one output method and (for example) a point-and-click client with some sort of each room gets a picutre and you play it like a point-and-click adventure game, and then you've suddenly got something the common person would like nowadays.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I've talked about this stuff with a lot of really smart people, heh, and that seems to be the general gold standard, even though no one anywhere's actually done it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sorry, i monopolize channels...
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but it is, yes. and easier than ever, in things like scala.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I know around 10000 mudders across 2 games that think pictarpeegees are the devil, and that they'd stop playing their mud if it ever happened there.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: scala, for example, already supports fully distributed actors: the client is an actor, the server sends messages to it as if it were a server-side actor, and you don't even have to write network code for your custom client.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: so there's nothing, from the server's point of view, that distinguishes, say, the worldmap storage actor and the camlorn-client actor. which is a neet idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: I like playing in a console
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: (no, i'm not 100% on the details. it's probably harder).
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, yeah. that's just it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: becausse then we ahve the general-telnet-proxy actor, and you telnet in too.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if you design the server right, the actual client implementation can be divorced to the extent where you're running a special second mud-converter program. As I said, generally, people think this is the gold standard, but there's a reason no one's actually done it.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I mean, it's only been the last five years or so that muds have discovered the world of databases, for example, heh.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: uk probably starts coming on in 3 hours from now, if I recall correctly the time difference.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: mischan.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: let's say i'm remote accessing into my linux vm, for work.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and I want to mud. well, I can just start up the client in the vm, instead of having to leave that instance.
T3/r7/2012-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: erg. not agian.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Haha, love that iPhone 5 has already been jailbroken.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: The idea of limiting what you can do with a device you buy was insane anyways, so that's good.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Not that I would ever buy a apple product... 
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: heh, 4.58gb dvd, just big enough to be obnoxious to copy
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: create iso and mount would seem then to be the answer
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone know of a gnu-compliant virtual cd/dvd mounter for windows?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ahh, WinCDEmu
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: holy cow, only one on the list
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you're like the vegan of computer users
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: not at all
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you don't understand why I would want gnu-licensed product, then you'll not understand when Government or companies arbitrarily delete content from your iPod, laptop or PC despite you having paid for it
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: its hip to be sqaure
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: trendies can fuck off, as far as I care
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: dont be too hard on yourself. one day, if you save up, you might be able to afford an apple product
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ok, that destroyed that idea - software realised it was an emulator and wouldn't run
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: well that is extremely gay
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: maybe you can find a gnu equivalent of the software
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't have a guaranteed solution yet, not sure trimming the size of the iso is viable
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's one advantage of Steam, I guess, you don't have to jump through hoops to protect your physical media
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: looks like my only option is to buy some DL dvd media
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what is the ISO of? 
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: game i bought
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: why not just put in the original DVD?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because i want to avoid the inevitable disc getting scratched or broken
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: why not play aard instead?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: because you suck
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: could try to swallow the ignorant pseudo-moralism and try it with daemon tools, but buying a pack of DL media wouldn't be a bad idea anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Swalec feels the love
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't work with dt, or ultra-iso, tried em both, so i'll jsut plump for some blanks, tehy'er not nearly as bad as they used to be, around $10 for 25
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: last time i bought media they were like $2 each
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: google drive that shit
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: virtual clone drive?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes, because that will work
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: you try poweriso ?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's wise to virual cd's
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it knows, my precious
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: doesn't matter, was going to just copy it anyway, just didn't have a big enough blank
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: iso'ing it would have been a useful work around, but this works
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: does it have the drp type listed ?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I didn't know DVDs still existed -- I thought they had been banned like incandescent lightbulbs
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, I'd make the copy FROM the iso...
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: (until i get some DL's and find it knows that it's a copy)
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make sure that works, then the ISO can be a permanent backup
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if it is so good at recognizing emulators, there is good chance it will recognize a copy too
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: after all, DVDs are known to cause global warming
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs, abe
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: god damnit, swalec, you mean me having dvd's is going to result in drowning polar bears?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: no, don't worry about that, Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i wasn't going to - polar bears stink
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: we already drowned the polar bears, with the CDs
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: polar bears are running out of penguins to eat
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: DVD's are wiping out the seals
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yep, true. But then it was always a long trip to get them
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but my local zoo has them both...that's not so far!
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: hey mush users I need a script to make a variable to bid 5 percent above current bid
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: hey skrimz that sounds like a shady area of scripting
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: I don't think so
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not really, as long as it doesn't automatically bid
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Nothing shady about making a script to do math for you
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: It's not auto bidding for me
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: it's just going to do the math and then note it
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Mm. Guess I only assumed the intent.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The treacherous are ever distrustful ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: auto bidding is dangerous
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I'll give you that, star
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: spent a million gold on an item once on a different game
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Btw, if you bid too low on something, the game will tell you the minimum bid
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: this script is killin' me
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i recomend against leathal scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: you i'ts not illegal
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: i said leathal.  not illegal.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Lethal?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: that too.  :p
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I know I can get the xterm color number, but do they have common names (for the extended colors, not just the 7 ansi colors)?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There are tables of named xterm colours (based on their hsb values, not xterm) but afaik aard doesn't implement anything for it
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Anybody have some large piles of DSDD 5.25" floppy disks they don't need? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Misadventures with Apple IIe and IIgs day!
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i got piles of em with C64 software on em :P
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: paradroid ... what a game
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Well, I'd have to reformat those dirty things :P
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: iseemed tohavedisabled keyboard and cant get it working again
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if you disabled the keyboard, how'd you type that question?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: on screen key board
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: any ideas
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Device manager?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Re-enable the keyboard there?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: call RIM and tell them to stop making crappy phones, then switch to an android.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nothing in his question suggested it was a phone.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: phone, phablet, tablet, they're pretty much all the same.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: yea where...diditin ease of access are
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: anyone familiar with the dlink dir-330?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: its a hp withwin 7
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: only a 10/100...
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: I just noticed that aardwolf has moved someof itd mud to lua. so were going to lua here?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the scripting part, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: specificaly the mob search options
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what mob search options?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: oh I dont know, ssomething helping sorting mob types mabye some drop types too
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: I dont know what the rules for how specific it should get . within nontechnical overiding the game fun factor
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I have zero idea what you are referring to.
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: are you perhaps confusing client scripting functionality with game functionality?
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: Im not that big into l7a right now Ive onl6 touched on it over on linux andin distro specific utilitys in suse
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: simply put what Iwas thinking that it might be 'nice' to have a mob search option that tells me what the items value is
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: thats all
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: for drops
T3/r7/2012-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: lol filter keys
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: now that's interesting.  I was just on youtube.com watching a couple videos and when I clicked back through the history the flashplayer is giving me a message that I need the latest flashplayer version or an html5 browser (I have both, currently.)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You get your problem fixed, Elchanan?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Might want to switch to a PC to watch your youtube videos, instead of a phone, Hanslanda. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I'm on a PC.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then don't assume others aren't? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Does anyone have a script that tells me how long it takes me to level and how much gold iv gotten from mobs?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Really depends on what client.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Mush
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: {Last level} Time: 05:41 Exp: 6,996 (2,928 bonus) Kills: 29 Gold: 34,638 T/P: 3 (2 bonus)/11 Quests: 0 (0 qps) Trivia: 0
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not sure, but I think Bast might have one.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mine's for CMUD.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: I heard you know how to convert cmud scripts to lua format for mush
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You may have heard correctly, but it comes at a cost. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: that doesn't sound like a complicated script to just make
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It isn't, but the beauty of mine is that I store the information in tables, and each alt has its own table.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And the tables are saved much akin to Aardwolf's saving.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Opochtli's sharp tracker does that, I believe.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: No idea if it's still updated/functional, though
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mine currently reports tier, level, mort, week, day, hour, month, and year.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's still functional.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And quite possibly updated, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Nods, thought it was.  I just haven't used it in like...10 years :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: My only problem with trying to convert this particular script to MUSH is that I'm not too familiar with how the gmcp code works in MUSH.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: anyone fly a rc?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: how about a jet engine rc?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I flew an RC Cola out the door one time. Does that count?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: foobar jet rc
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: fooobar did you crash? 
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: of sorts :)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You failed. You didn't prefix your comment with "foooobar"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fisban Tech: Im just saying theyare nice to watch, though I would fair a guess there hard to deal with in air sress wise too fast idk.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: meh, can't even burn a dvd these days
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: people still do that?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Santher of course.. how else do you destroy data on optical media? =p
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: junked 4 dvd's so far due to burning errors
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: What program are you using?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: microwave them!
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sagacious Witblitz Tech: maybe you just have not used your drive enough heh
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: use imgburn
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Burn speed can be a factor, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nodnod to imgburn
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and decent blanks are a must. cheap ones usually suck
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: im patient... i always use SLOW burn speeds
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Ozzy.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: 2.4x. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea.. cheap media = short shelf life after burn
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: and failed burns
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's cdburnerxp, a starburn cone
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: clone
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: well, get imgburn then
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: random dl media i found in my cupboard from years ago
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh, I never cared for that myself, but if you can, change speeds to 2.4x.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 4x is the lowest it's offering
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it fails the burn it's doing now, i'll give imgburn a go, ta
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah dvd burner might be dirty too
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the laser could be the wrong smell, too
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: The disc might be strawberry instead of vanilla, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the anti-phasic conduit could be blocked, flooding the burining draw with a barion field
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: lol
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Tachyon interference? Tachyion interference.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: -i
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no star trek :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: in the mush client is there a way to reset a window? i've managed to get one stuck at the top of my screen and now i can't get to the top of that window to move it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: resetaard?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: that worked for every window but the one i needed
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: which window?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: i think its the window from the search and destroy plug
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: if you find the window name, can you use an immediate script to run WindowPosition?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: or do miniwindows belong to the plugin that made them?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: try disabling/enabling the plugib?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: I got it thanks much
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: mind sharing how for future readers?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: RedRain gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dreckis Tech: Red is the pro
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: had a few friends with same problem
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RedRain Tech: good old S&D ... evil, but so good
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: you could also change the coordinates in the script to a value instead of using the last coordinates it had.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: since that will make it reappear in the same place if you restart the plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, this dvd won't copy, don't know if it's the media or the drive
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: reminds me of the early days of having to crack floppy disc anti-copy protection
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: forgotten how infuriating IE was
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I use firefox
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: when was it Activision became some godawfully shit as a software company?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: early 90s?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd go with that
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: guess i'll just have to live with the lack of bug fix patches, and broken online content portal
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: is there a way to exclude a portal from mapper goto unless you specific want to go to that area? ie to avoid using the flying citidel portal.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: make all cexit from flying citadel level locked
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Set a high level on the exit out of the area.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: ahhh ty
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I couldn't see the citadel portal being used by the mapper to get anywhere else, though, unless you've got an old exit in your mapper database
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: it brings me to the toop of the tower, then wants to pass the gargoyles, then out through a crack in the valley floor
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, there used to be a down exit at the portal landing spot to the beginning of the area, which would let you walk out...that has been removed, but there's still exits in the air part that it's using
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: right now it works swell, someone killed the gargoyles.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doing the goal makes the gargoyles just let you pass as well...but in the meantime, yeah, level locking that north is an easy answer
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Or just don't use a mapper bot to get around
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Starling shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: wonder if i can mud from this.... http://i.imgur.com/npcqI.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: I'm using MUSH client and want to know how to setup a variable target any help?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: guess not :(
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Could be a bit more specific.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Well, A Macro for k <mob name>
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Where <mob name> is an alias I set
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Did it with zmud when I used it.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: alias name: k *
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: send response: bash %1
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: winklewinkle has one already made
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: qw (mob) / ak
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Not quite there yet but that helps :)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Santher I did'nt get anything you typed lol,Scurvy on the other hand helped a bit :)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: you need to get his polugin first :)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: I see
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: This : typing "6 dog" would need to echo as "dog is now set as your target"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Greygaar Tech: Then Ctrl-K would send k dog
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you other CMud users having trouble with ansi codes not being interpreted at the end of a line sent to another window?  In specific, I'm trying to end the line with %e[0;40m to revert a bight blue background to black.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: hey question guys im using the aardwolf mush client and i want to install a plugin and the instructions say save in your mushclients plugin folder but i dont have that folder in my mushclient dir
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's in mushclient>worlds>plugins.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: ty
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: put it there.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: then file>plugins> add...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: plugin can be anywhere, really
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and just find it. it doesn't technically have to be there, but you really should, yeah.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i used to have one in my documents
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: ok i have it installed and enabled now how do i get it to show up
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, it should be.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: did you do file>plugins>install?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: or add. thingie.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ctrl+shift+p, tab, enter, if you're blind...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: went to plugins, did add, it showed up on the list, clicked enable,
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you should be set.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: might be one of those plugins that waits for a command?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you don't ahve to click enable, jsut add.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it should be working if it's on that list--what is it supposed to do?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: its a campaign tracker
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: 99% of all plugins are not graphical like aardwolf client, and most want you to enter a command; go look at the documentation, and it should be working.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type cp i and cp c
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the campaign tracker doesn't show up until you're on a campaign and type 'cp check'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one or the other of those two should kickstart it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: ok i must have done something wrong cuz its not working
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: are you on a campaign?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: yup
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: typed cp check?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: yup
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the campaign checker likes to hide behind other windows, maybe move things around and look for it?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: ok did a reinstall and got it working thanx all
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ah
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: now i just have to figure out how to move it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: if it's the one I'm thinking of, you have to change the programming to move it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: ahh ok dont need the plugin that bad lol
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: neither bast's nor winkle's should require mucking in programming to move, dunno what others exist offhand
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: nick gammon's one
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: im using nick gammons
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that probably does.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the nick gammon ones are, I believe, intended to be more of example/one-time things, and I don't believe it's still maintained.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, anything from gammon is probably many years old and most were pretty much proof of concept
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: i liked gammon stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bridane Tech: wheres a good place to find plugins then cuz this was just the one of found
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's more of a "look what you can do with mushclient", which btw I think with some hacking, might even be able to host a mud.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: google == wind
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: er...win
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the gammon one is easy to move, look for the WindowCreate function around line 161 and change the auto-position number
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rofl, looking for a function to change numbers is not easy to move :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all the others are you click and hold the mouse, and drag it where you want it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, I think looking for a function that takes numbers is a great idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: whatevs, I like it sticking to the corner
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and changing individual numbers on existing functions to see what it does is a great way to start coding
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but yeah, gammon pretty much wrote that plugin just to show how to make a miniwindow when he first coded miniwindows into MUSHclient
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clayd Tech: my campaign doest respond to kill a constable in childspaly
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: must be killing the wrong one
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: there might be a different mob with the same name
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: if it's a room name cp, there may be another area with the same room name in your level range
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clayd Tech: i had to kill 3 identical mob to get it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: like when you get "cook" in "a kitchen"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: they just identical names, something was different
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: just because they seem identical, doesn't mean they are.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: room name is just a clue as to where to find the mob, it doesn't actually dictate which mob.  Especially if the mob is allowed to wander.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Clayd Tech: but thank you, and ok i shall remebr next time
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: if a mob does wander, cp check will change to indicate the new room
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Anybody here keep some Apple II computers in their basement to play with?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I picked up a sweet USB/CompactFlash controller card for an Apple IIe/IIgs ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: so, now you can use a USB device on an apple 2?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: do drivers even exist anywhere for the apple 2 for modern devices?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all you need is a motherboard that fits and a dremel tool to make the case cutouts.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: so it's not really an apple 2, it's just the case with a modern PC inside
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: that's very different, but still cool i guess
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Chimeishio Tech: how did you find room in your basement for it with all those whips and chains?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i keep my Pentium 1 with debian installed on it sitting right in the corner, i'm sure he does the same
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Pentium 1? Too modern :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: don't hit TAB though, sorting out the tab-completion takes about 5 seconds >_>
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I do have a Pentium Pro 166 running Gentoo :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Though it hasn't been powered up in a while.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: why?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Once upon a time it was a firewall box.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: you people are nuts
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: actually my network card got all messed up when i took it out; i think i put it back into the wrong slot and the system got confused. now i can't apt-get update any more :(
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: i was there, don't know why you'd keep them
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I just haven't hauled it off.  On the other hand, Apple II computers give an interesting and different experience.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i'll have to sort that out or re-install the OS to fix it, poo
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: you should have a cathartic office space moment with it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: hey but in Mushclient news, anyone got a plugin that'll send paragraphs of text line by line on a delay? For the music channel, i think it'd be cool to be able to be able to paste a whole song into a box and then have it displayed over time
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: even better if i attatch song timings to each line so that they display at the pace of the actual singing
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Try this for your missing network adapter.  If you move it then it gets grumpy at times.  http://www.howtogeek.com/wiki/Fixing_%22Failed_to_bring_up_eth0%22_in_Ubuntu_Virtual_Machine
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i'll do that just as soon as i ever plug that box back in :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it's a system so secure i never turn it on :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: back when G4TV was still about computer tech and general gadgetry instead of video games, there was a guy named Yoshi who had all sorts of tips and tricks and DIY projects.  One of his more interesting ones was the computer tower he converted into a "YBox" gaming system that consisted of all the legacy and modern gaming systems (NES, Sega, Sony, Xbox, etc).
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: all the systems went to a single output line so that you only needed one cable into your TV? fancy
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I have a friend who builds components to allow that for arcade game PCBs.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Stick a bunch of PCBs in a slotted holder, and just switch between 'em. He's a much better eletrician than I am.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i have a friend who builds mames, seems like it'd be a fun thing to do
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: or MAIMs? i'm not sure on the spelling, the game cabinet ones
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: MAME
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I've got a couple of original Space Invaders cocktail cabinets to do that with in my basement.. maybe one day I'll finish it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: MAME.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yeah, he took apart all of the core gameboxes and managed to fit them together inside the case, with custom cutouts for cartridge/disc drive bays and controller connectors.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: and he's not building MAMEs, he is a building housing for a PC running MAME loaded with roms
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: he uses plywood and cheap PC parts and bam, 300$ later you've got a game cabinet
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well, yes, not a literal MAME board
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: I like the look of my cocktail cabinets. Took out the old 14" CRT that weighed about a zillion pounds, put in a 19" flatscreen and a low profile PC.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Need to finish the woodworking for the control panels.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: we use Xarcade controllers.  http://www.xgaming.com/
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: those are fantastic
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: pricey but have the same 1-million press feel
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: yea
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I still have a win98 box running my old MAME32 setup
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RUM-FILLED Robbo Tech: Got the cabs for $25 for the pair, so all good. Heck, the sheet of glass on top of the each of the cabinets was worth more than that :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: i mean, you can completely get buy on cheapo USB controllers, but if you're going to invest, i think those are your best option
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: get by*
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i just use a gamepad that runs on the x-box drivers :/  works out for zSNES
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah i was gonna mention the 360 controller
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I had a japanese PS2 bluetooth driver for XP once.  
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: apparently win 8 will be able to play xbox games... at least some of them
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: huh.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: would love to know the overhead of explored.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why would you love to know that?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well every room in the mud has a vnum. I imagine you could just track a hashset of vnums explored and then keep count of the number of rooms that have the explorable flag each time you update the areas
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: Hanslanda... why would you want to not know that?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: because the only way I know of to do that is to store a list of all rooms that a player ahs explored.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'd be curious to know if there's a better way.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not sure why we're hashing for example--each room already has a unique id.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I suppose it could be compressed with, say, zlib, but...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well the ids in use aren't all continuious
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ah. for lookup. heh, right...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hashing is one of those areas that you can't ever really find a good explanation of.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: uhh
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it exists and you use it for lookup. that's about all I know, mostly because all the explanations that i'm able to find assume that you already know what it is. or something.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: ACtually, hashing HAS to be really well explained, so the hash result is predictable, or it would serve no value
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well all you ever look up is the number of rooms explored here and explored total
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: hashing takes a non-indexable value, like a string, and converts it to something that can be used as an index
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but regardless, you have to store every room that a player has visited. let's assume 3 bytes per room, maybe 4....
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: 30025 explorable rooms...that's.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: 90015 bytes per player times 400.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: divide by 1024 for mb.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: wat
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's probably more than that
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: wtf
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Slithy Toves Tech: Could do a bit vector set
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah...I know. I'm being conservative.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: you're way over-estimating
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: do tell.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: the only reason rooms have UIDs at all is to have a numeric value rather than the keys such as "aylor-0"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: Sure.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: all we need to know for the purposes of explored is yes or no
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: so it's a simple array of bits
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then move it to the cpu?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: and then what?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I mean, that's going to have a ton of complications.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: 8k for tracking 64,000 yes/no (1 or 0) flags
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: let's say I add one room to any area.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: then it gets a new uid
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: no it doesn't, that's what i assumed it did in the first place, that's the most obvious way >_>
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: now the whole array after that area is invalidated.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: no it isn't.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: room uids do not need to be sequential within an area
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm. give rooms two ids?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: it just gets whatever the next highest unused room id is, they don't have to be sequential
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: so, the builder area-id bit, and the bitvector index id bit...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: if you enter a room, you flip the bit in your explored array for that room to true; it doesn't matter if it was true before, you just flip it true each time. then you count your "true" bits to get the explored count
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: exactly
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: yeah, but how do you figure out position?  Or, for that matter, zone?  Or are the internal ids for the room database always consecutive even though the uid/vnum/whatever you use from inside Aard aren't?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm. and I know enouch computer science/etc to know about itvectors, and don't know why I never thought of that...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: positioning isn't important for explored
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: they're saying you've got: struct room {...char* builder_id;int bitvector_index;....};
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: the position IS the uid
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: or something like that.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'm sure there's some nice technical terms for those.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: over-complicated again
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: byte explored[8192]
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: or something like that
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: = 8192 * 8 explored bits
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: few years from now I'll probably need to grow that
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: keeping rooms within an area mostly sequential in UIDs does help with the compression though as players tend to explore rooms in groups.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: my explored file is 2791 bytes
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: (rooms explored is only saved on each pfile save if you've explored a new room since the last save)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: so, basically, kinda about the same as a db query (ie, WHERE IsExplored IS TRUE) followed by a simple recordcount of the resultset?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: no, the exact position of a uid in the array is [ pos / 8 ] (1 << (pos %8))
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: if that is 1 the room is explored
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o. razor is a coder... for aardwolf?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: "a" is not quite the right word
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o...hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: thought lasher did the coding.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tsloth's Tsarikos Tech: Razor is a very well-known coder, actually.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: razor is a lasher alt?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim giggles.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: if only razor's whois was more informative
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: was it the email address or the desc that gave you the hint?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I didn't look, to be honest.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I think many people don't even know about the finger command
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: people always ask me what my email address is
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I know about the command, I just didn't see a need to check.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: nod, easier to type 60 characters and wait for an answer.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you exist, I exist, and there is a wall between us. kind of...not sure how better to explain it.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: tldr or bust
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I used to always whois everyone on every mud i played, but just sort of stopped one day.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: just giving you a hard time Camlorn, it's no big deal.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: do you use different accounts for different purposes or just for anonymity, or is Razor just from the good 'ol days when you weren't imm?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Don't be put off my Razor, he's really a big fuzzy teddy bear at heart.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: well if you'd read his description you'd know the answer to that
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: I have lots of test accounts, a few players (mostly abandoned), and one publicly known player (this one)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: heh. didn't know that one either: lasher wasn't always an imm..?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: is "my Razor" a freudian slip?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No, it's a sign that my neurons are finally degrading, I've been typoing a lot lately and failing to catch it.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: hey while we're talking about it, why is whois online-only and finger available all the time?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: a newbie was asking about that earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: similar relationship as channels versus forum postings.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Whois requires that the whole pfile be loaded, iirc...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: finger is loaded up from a smaller file called a 'profile' so not all information is availavble to it.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because that's how the unix commands work
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: just another performance tweak, more of V3 was about performance than actual game changes.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: let's just get the ability to cat our savefiles, and be done with it...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lokathor goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but which savefiles? ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the ones that we want to cat.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and on that note, everyone needs to go google a self-referential story...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: 'help recursion'
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: this is the title of this story, which appears several times in the stry itself.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: heh. and the effect gets ruined by my typo.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why google, as opposed to, say, itunes or rhapsody or similar?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: my favorite online story is Wikipedia Brown
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: is that the one about the boy detective who has to deal with rage-edits and inaccuracies?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: actually yes
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://adamcadre.ac/content/brown/
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: someone wrote a short story about dealing with wikipedia edits?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sort of
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: we were removed from wikipedia as 'not notable', which is kind of funny when you see some of the MUD pages that do exist on there (and have been added since then)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: tbh, my favorite is probably 'john dies at the end', if we're going to go down the so-bad-and-wierd-and-stupid it's good road.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: Aardwolf was probably older than the "editor" who started it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: young adult mystery novel series: Encyclopedia Brown and the Case of Whatever the Story's About.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you could try again, but you'd fail some conflict of interest clause unless someone unrelated does it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: isn't aard in the top 3 of muds by userbase?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: unfortunately, no.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not hardly
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: according to mudstats yes
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: thre's quite a few, I kid you not, bdsm mushes that get almost to 1k online.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: there are two furry mucks with larger playerbases
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Seriously?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: http://mudstats.com/Browse
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: that all sounds... quite upsetting to login to... >_>
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Aardwolf is at #3
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: several p2p franchises field just as much as Aard, with each having at least 2 games apiece.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: those stats are basically just voter tallies.  That's why it is so important to vote.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: mudstats methodology has nothing to do with voting
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they log into each mud and count the number of online players every 30 minutes
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not...exactly.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: they use mssp.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: mud servee status protocol.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: they only use mssp if the server supports it
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: which means, if you wanted, you could  make your mud lie.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: not here they don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: Simutronics has Gemstone and Dragonrealms (their other offerings are very small potatoes).  IRE has Lusternia, Achaea, Midkemia, and I think there's another game (or three, maybe).  They've got similar online numbers as Aard, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: not that similar
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: medievia (erg!!!!)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: 3k used to come close, dropped in recent years, batmud is really close last I checked, icesus gets about 100 or so, zombiemud I think, slothmud has a decent one but not sure how big, dark and shattered lands, all of these are in the high two-digit and 3-digit range, with a few hitting the 300-400s.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: I don't think I call the spread from 385 to 130 "really close"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: sorry, 355
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, I haven't checked on most of those in a while.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and I would call 355 close, personally...are you looking at current or max over 30 day period?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: 30 day average
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: a friend of mine always wanted me to try wotmud because he was really into the books.. it didn't sound as cool if you hadn't read them though
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it's not even on the front page of that list
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I used to obsess over mudstats, but don't anymore: there's a few muds that have all the players, and you can't muscle into that slice of the pie anymore.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: Camlorn, not 385 to 355. 355 to 133.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, you can, under specific circumstances, but it's rare.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what can i say, i'm an optimist, and as I said, I haven't looked at most of those muds in a while.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: well if I were starting today I sure as heck wouldn't write a mud.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Razor Tech: put some half-ass RTS online and get 10 times the players overnight.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: guys i have this GREAT idea to write an MMO with... and it's going to be all text too!
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, here's my thoughts on this, and i've said it before: a client-independent server for which one can write a variety of clients.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: muds are point and click adventure games witha  battle system minus the graphics, and people are all over point and click adventure games on mobile devices.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Razor waves happily.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Whoa, what just happened?! Does Lasher multiplay? :o
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Absolutely not.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lasher doesn't play.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lasher executes.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Phalae Tech: im not sure what happened but (i use win7) whenever i open something using the task bar it opens behind the window i'm using rather than over it.. how can i fix this?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Fair enough :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lasher Tech: g'night
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I wonder how many players Aard really has, as opposed to how many are actually logging on?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: define "has"
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i am, slowly, plucking away at a space adventureroguelike thingie which I want to put online as a mmorpg...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: because many players create and play for a while and then stop playing
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but I'm as far as "white square on screen" and ahve been for 3 months--I keep not working on it--so.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: recently active enough that we don't have to wonder if they'll ever come back
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: how active is recently?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: I'd be interested to see how many players in total we have that log on at least once a week, for at least two months running. I bet it's more than I think.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I think...and this is an i think, and I'd like acutal statistics just to see:
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I would think it reasonable to go back 1 year, possibly 1.5 or 2.  I wouldn't expect a p2p player to go much longer than that.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hm, how do I press keypad 5 if I don't have a keypad or a numlock?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you could track this with a relatively simple script
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: There are so many players who keep quiet, all of a sudden some name I've never seen SHs loud, and it turns out their T4...
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: take the wholist, finding all playeers who aren't *always* on it, and then multiply that by 5-10.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: say a month
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and companies like Simutronics can just count their active subscriptions.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: as for numpad5.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: are you on a laptop?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: try fn(bottom left by control typically)+k...it should be either d or k.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Yes, I'm playing an old DOS game on dosbox that requires me to press keypad 5 to walk forward.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: some laptops also offer a way to turn that part of the keyboard into a numpad perminently, if you so wish, but that's really laptop specific.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but look at your keyboard, and some of the letters are typically also marked as numbers.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: did you just call me a dork? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: who?
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Negative, Camlorn, none of my keys are marked that way.  I know what you're talking about, but looks like my laptop doesn't support that.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: then, uyou go to best buy.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and you buy an external usb number pad.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: or you go download xpatter or, if you know programming, glovepii.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I have one, alas it is 160 miles away ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: er. glovepie.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you can remap with software sections of the keyboard or key combinations to other sections of the keyboard or key combinations; with glovepie, you can actual make simple games and all sorts of fun stuff, because it's a scripting language with the specific goal of remapping parts of the computer's control interface to other parts and using rumble and moving the mouse, etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: in fact, I used glovepie to turn my xbox360 controller into a mouse to make minecraft work with a gamepad.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can probably use something like autohotkey to map keys (or combination of keys) to them
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: like I said, xpatter, glovepie, autohotkey is another, yes...there's pinnacle game profile (paid), just pick one. it's ahrder to decide which 9 keys to turn into a number pad, however.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ugh, just buy a number pad
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Oh, cool, turns out dosbox can map keys itself
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I just remapped F5 to numpad 5
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: there you go.
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone know of an android/ios app that lets you send/receive mms/sms
T3/r7/2012-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: ...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: is that a joke?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: While you're at it, find me an android app that lets me make phone calls
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I think he's overwhelmed by the offerings, as opposed to wondering if the functionality is there.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it can make phone calls??
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: you don't need to download special apps for sending sms
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I like "Go SMS".
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: my phone is not activated, wanted something like textfree but for mms guess there is nothing like it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: the ability to send MMS is just built in to the default messaging apps
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, such an app would only be useful over wi-fi, no?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Just use email then. Or IM.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I mean, if the phone isn't activated, jsut use your laptop.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You can send text messages though email.  Not sure if mms can be achieved just by attaching media
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: regardless, i'm out.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: carrier pidgeon
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: my labtop can not be moved, if i move it it shuts down
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ..pigeon
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: most of the text-for-free apps probably just uses email addresses
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: eg. sending to verizon accounts can be done by sending an email to 8885551234text.com
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: @vtext.com, rather
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: to send media to verizon phones, instead of sending to 252634634@vtext.com, you send to 252634634@vtext.com, you send to 252634634@vzqpix.com . I don't know how this works for other carriers.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: to send media to verizon phones, instead of sending to 252634634@vtext.com, you send to 252634634@vzwpix.com . I don't know how this works for other carriers.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Hey, 252 is where I live!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riddim Tech: lol, i just hit numbers :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: sms to email is not generic, it's provider dependant
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Riddim nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Can anyone tell me why, when I type \\\print(testtable) on the command line, it returns table: 0x04be45f0 as expected, but when I run a script accessing that table, I get: Immediate execution [string "Trigger: "]:1: attempt to index global 'testtable' (a nil value) in MUSH?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Specifically, the trigger is supposed to check if the key exists in the table, and if not, create a new key with defined values.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Otherwise, update the values in the key already.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: could anyone here help a new VI player with the mud's facilities available?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: This is perplexing. It /should/ work, but it doesn't... if not testtable["%1"] then testtable["%1"]={Info="String",Details="String"}
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And don't say "You're missing an end" because that's not part of the problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: your missing an end :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't make me bitchslap you. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: eheh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Etz: technically, he didn't say that... But i'm not sure what a "missing an end" is =p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Daloran.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it's not giving you any error messages?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nope. Not populating the table, either.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: might be something stopping it before it even gets to that point. Standard debugging is putting Note()s everywhere to tell you what it's doing
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Funny thing is, I have a true/false statement there. I put ("%1 is part of the table!") and ("%1 is not part of the table") in the appropriate spots. Guess what? Even though it's not part of the table, it printed that it was.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So I check with a: print(testtable["ExpectedValue"]) and it returns nil.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: This is bothersome that I can't seem to make it work.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So weird. Apparently it is populating it. Hmm, okay, on to next crisis.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: how come "backstab hexed half griffon" fails, while "cast eruption hexed half griffon" succeeds
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: beats me, but do really need the full name?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: no -- I would just use "backstab h"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: but as it stands it doesn't really make sense
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: no -- I would just use "backstab h"l
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: my target alias kills: bs 'full keywords'
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: very nich in soh2
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nice*
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: does it work everywhere?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Erm... within an alias that accepts a parameter, I have the following: string.format("%12d",rtl) -- but MUSH is taking my parameter and putting it in %1, so it outputs: String2d instead of, say, 100
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Any ideas how to fix that?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ol' Dirty Fiendish Tech: %%
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In a plugin, is there a way to check if a certain trigger is enabled or not?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cjwally Tech: hi I'm using bbssh client how do I get it to scroll?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: based on MidpSSH... maybe something in the docs for it? i dont see any documentation on bbSSH
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: possibly something in menu-key 0 menu?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cjwally Tech: I have no idea what you just said lol
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: bbSSH is based on the app MidpSSH... the bbSSH website has no manual for bbSSH... maybe you can find out in the documentation for MidpSSH
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nao Tech: hi, how to get the level of my character in a script of mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the easiest way is to use GMCP
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: although, unfortunately, setting this up in the first place is a pain
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: because within scripts you can't get the broadcast messages from plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: require "gmcphelper"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: res, gmcparg = CallPlugin("3e7dedbe37e44942dd46d264","gmcpval","char")
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: luastmt = "gmcpdata = " ..gmcparg
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: assert (loadstring (luastmt or ""))()
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: level = tonumber(gmcpval("status.level"))
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: those 5 lines will put your level into the variable level ^_^
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nao Tech: thx ima
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: but you get the idea 
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Botnet Tech: Starling is ruining the MUD!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: How do I make variables in mush
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: World configuration -> scripting -> Variables ?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: hwo do you load old DB in mush for winke winkle mapper?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: i dunno what i did, but it is spamming something to my mush client every few seconds/minutes..showing skills, skills all, skills level, skills from to
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: any idea why
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I'm playing on Project64, and the cheat window seems to be off my screen somewhere. Is there a way to reset it to its default location?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Cheating is bad!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: it's all legal till you get caught.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: adjust screen resolution, move window, adjust resolution back
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: where can i get a good spellup plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: the one i found at gammon doesnt seem to work properly
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: whats a good spellup plugin?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If Mushclient, finger bast
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: where do i find it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: does mush triggers use if statements?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: yup
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: how do i use em?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: They can.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: not sure google mush client if then
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: if then end
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: or if then elseif end
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: if (condition) then (commands) end in case that wasn't clear
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tymas Tech: And how do I make variables
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: okay.. go read some helpfiles :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In a plugin for MUSH, is there a way to tell whether a certain trigger is enabled or not? I'm working on a scrip that enables/disables triggers, but it doesn't seem to send the next set of information I need, so I need to know if the trigger is ever enabled or not.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: GetTriggerOption("trigger", "enabled")
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: http://www.mushclient.com/scripts/function.php?name=GetTriggerInfo
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: sounds like a bot to me :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It can sound like whatever you want to make it. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli pats Scryn on his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Book of Etzli person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: not sure how it sounds like a bot when he said absolutely nothing about what it actually does... :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Bot cover up!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Interesting. Doesn't seem to be enabling, despite me manually enabling it.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: what are you trying to do
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, according to Scryn, trying to create a bot. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: you're trying to enable a trigger in an alias or another trigger?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Scryn.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: The odd thing is Etzli already has at least one perfectly legal working bot. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: a group.. or an individual trigger?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli grins evilly at Sit like a Trurien.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have it put in a group, but I enable the individual trigger.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: can you send me your plug in?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: EnableTrigger("triggername", true)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For what it's worth, it's a bot of sorts, for collecting information regarding clan promotions. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: or EnableTrigger("triggername", false)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Right, Scryn. I've got that already.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: are you doing it based on some other condition?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: might want to Note("message") what the condition is to make sure it's firing.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Here's what it does. It does roster 7 to get the member names. Then it disables the Roster7 trigger, enables Rank2 trigger, and sends rank 2. It's supposed to then disable rank2 trigger and enable rank9 trigger, then send rank 9, but it fails.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: sounds like you have sequance issues
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Skrimz person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: And do you have a note or something as suggested to make sure it is firing?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Only reason I know that rank2 is being enabled is because it did fire (I had it print out the matching parameters).
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But it does roster 7, then rank 2, then quits.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Conditionals are so much easier in CMUD. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: do you have 2 triggers matching off one line?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: that does break it ...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Skrimz person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: it doesn't break it if you know how to fix it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: how do you have two triggers respond to the same line?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: one always eats it and the other doesn't see it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: you need to tell mush which one is more important
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: so
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: are you hand coding this or using the GUI?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Since there's no definitive way to say "Hey, this rank is done, move on to the next", I have it terminating on the next blank link received after the first triggered line of text.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hand coding it now, was using GUI to create the plugin, so now I'm modifying it.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: you need to make sure both triggers keep evaluating
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: huh? two triggers can fire on the same line...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: I've had issues with that Myrkul
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: and then you need to modify the number
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: modify the sequence
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: nod, check the keep evaluating and sequence properties
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: ahh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: so make one 99 and one 100
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: and it should work
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: this is what happens when you only read enough to learn to do what you want.. and no more :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: I'm constantly learning new tricks on mush
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: it's such an amazing client
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'll try that. Hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Skrimz person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But regardless, if I'm enabling/disabling the said triggers as I go along, should sequence even play a part?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: any time you have 2 triggers matching off the same line
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Okay, gonna test this out... whee!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And we have a failure to launch. I think I may redo how I have it triggering... *sigh*
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's not even enabling the proper trigger to begin with.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: hmm I wanna make a timer for questing
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: plenty of them available
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: wait someones already made one?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: yeahquest info
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: {Quest #14401} Time: 00:12 Qps: 21 Gold: 4,285
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just saying. *blink*
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Etzli what was your 10211th quest target?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That was an earthworm in Aylor Academy.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: wow  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You had to go in the database for that, you don't have a function :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Actually, I don't even keep a database of quest targets. Though I should do that now.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: cant you put command.com in notepad, save it as a .bat, and double click it to run a prompt?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skrimz Tech: no clue
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: cmd.com will
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: don't think that would work
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: will try, brb
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: as long as you have admin rights
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: I d.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: I do.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: isn't it cmd.exe?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: indeed
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: Oops. 
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: .COMs will always execute before .EXE
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: Thank you. Why was I thinking .COM?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: Command.COM, even.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: command.com will always exist somewhere
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: For PSX imgs, do I have to ecm first, and then unecm in order to play them on psx4droid?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: so i have a questions about torrents and a client. Is that acceptable to ask here?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: nothing illegal about torrents in themselves
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I don't see why not - I mean the King James Bible is free of copyrights!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: As long as you aren't asking how to download illegal stuff :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: ok, so i use a mac and i use utorrent to download my torrents. For some reason when i go to download something off a tracker i use my client isn't downloading
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: do you know why this would be?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: router port forwarding?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: I have my ports forwarded and honestly i have been using torrents for four years and have never had this problem
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: local software firewall?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: it's just one tracker that doesn't work?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: one tracker so far that doesn't work
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: so the tracker might just be screwed?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vanterron Tech: hmmm, true enough
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: anyone mapped the F keys in MC?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Trying to map the f1 or f6 key?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: need to check the option in file->global preferences that say "F1, F6 are macros"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Other than that, should be able to map any of them just using the macros screen
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm looking for a keymap for my healing alias.  I've got the keypad about full and I don't want to accidently quaff when I want to run
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: then yeah, game->configure->macros
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok got it.  thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: is there a way to block a number on an android phone?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elkore Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: there's an app for that :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you find the person who's calling you and sock 'em one
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: it's his ex-wife
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can do that with the carrier
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: most providers provide a way to block a number, I believe
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: punch em? not extreme enough... burn their house down
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elkore Tech: then they will call you asking you if they can stay over
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: id duct tape him in a rolled up futon but im busy :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: he wants me to come over, im busy...he throws a complete shitfit....now im busy, forever lol
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: no doubt elkore :p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: (nocurse channel, btw)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: is shitfit a curseword?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: wait, is it even a word?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: tantrum...oops
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: there should a help file about it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vost Tech: there should be a help file about it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zarra Tech: its a word...not sure if it counts as cursing but I'll curb it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: if i just updated MUSH and "replaced" teh files that were there with the new ones, did i screw up all the world i had mapped so far?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: maybe.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it depends on a lot of things.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: if so, how do i prevent it in the future while still updating mush when new updates come out
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, if you only update the core mushclient, you're -probably- ok.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the mapped world is in aardwolf.db so it depends on whether the upgrades version of mush also requires an upgraded database layout
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o. is it a database?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: shoulda prolly read: Upgrading the client @ http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: in that case, it's probably sqlite.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: which means it probably won't ever break.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it is sqlite.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: so in the future i should NOT copy that file >.< good to know
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: "Do you want to update to iOS 6?" "Lolno"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hold off on that,yeah.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: they don't use google maps anymore, they're using apple's version.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: eww
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's apparently really, really buggy, though they did make it blind accessible now.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: a road goes through the famous-landmark, I can't remember which one, for example.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Shrug, works fine as long as you don't live under a rock.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: idk. I never use it.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I upgraged and regret it. I'm not sure if I actually like any of the changes at all.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: my biggest annoyance is the removal of the youtube app
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: No youtube app either? Trololol.  Can you put them back on with Cydia?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: maybe but the ipad belongs to my work, I'm not about to jailbreak it. Google is working on making one that can hopefully go on the app store.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Just re-dowbload the app again.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The whole point of google mapps as the iphone app was the integration.  Apple maps are still going to be the thing pulled up by geographic requests by other apps
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: download
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: it's not a downloadable app, it came with the operating system
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Umm it is downloadble.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Since I just saw it in the app store.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: What you saw was the google-created iphone youtube app, not the same one as was on iOS5 for the ipad.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Didn't say it was, I just said there was an app.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you said "download the app again" implying it was the same one
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: either way, m.youtube.com will do until they make a new one
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and hopefully google will also make an independant maps app with full-screen streetview again
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, apple does have the street view thing, I believe.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: apple has a flyover sort of thing with 3d buildings but it's not the same
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o. hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: to be honest here, i don't much care about maps on my iphone...lol.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and another thing is, they simplified the app store, removing your ability to make advanced searches like "show me only free ipad apps with four stars"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: Btw, its not apple maps, they use TomTom instead of google maps.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The *data* is from TomTom, the software is 100% apple.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I just downloaded
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I see two maps, are both needed
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: one will show you nearby mobs and players, the other gives you a bigger overview of the area and lets you speed-walk
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: take it to the gossip
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Snooky Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Scurvy.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: One comes from directly from the MUD, one is client side and helps you runto rooms faster.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Is there anything I can modify to better set it up
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: You can move it around yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: over time you may adjust the window positions to better suit your purposes, uninstall plugins you don't need, and explore so the map gets better at knowing the areas
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you can modify anything you like if you learn to script it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: resize the client side one or zoom it in/out.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: thats what i meant to ask, any plugins the stock download doesnt have i would want
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I like Bast's but it's kind of a big suite, I'd just comfortable with the stock if I were you.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: pick and choose intividual plugins based on your needs rather than go for a whole suite at once
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but bast and winkle both have popular suites
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://code.google.com/p/aardwolf-scriptalicious/
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: & http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/Download
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: hahah it doesnt have all the areas installed i get it now
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah you have to explore and add "custom exits"
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I saw on youtube a list of all spells on the left side
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: spells and skills, active and not, you could click on them and cast that way
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Was that Bast's?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: sorry right side
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: is it just me or installing win 7 on an imac a nightmare?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's only a nightmare if you want to keep both OSes.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: that would be my problem
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Okay, one more time whats the link to the other client version you guys were talking about?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you using bootcamp to do the install? it should handle getting all the drivers together for you
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I assume it'd be equally true going the other way, too.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: bootcamp doesn't want to work
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it won't update and it won't install from a usb stick
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, interesting
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: does bootcamp work better with lion?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think boot camp works better with newbies.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: anyone know the link to the other client were wer talking about earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try tech -h to see earlier conversations
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if someone said it on tech channel, it's still there.  TECH -h http might be less spammy.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it was likely not a different client, just plugins for this one
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: we could regale him with the wonders of CMud and TinyFugue, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: boss wants to keep osx because he has ms office 08 on it... will open office work instead?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I'll never give up tf, but I definitely wouldn't recommend it for him :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: but he also wants simply accounting, heh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: did you laugh uproariously when he said that?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: just about :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meaning, he doesn't get what's so funny about it.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli pats Santher on her head.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: she*
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it's funny cause it's a nightmare to do? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: how hard is it to just wipe out osx and put win 7 on it?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: it wont let me add it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: error parsing script
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: as easy as any other pc?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Woo! My uni just sprung for Lynda.com
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my employer has them :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: anyone free for a LUA question?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: easier to just ask
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: well it might be a tad complicated for the channel, but OK I want to have the mud echo a message ONLY to the person that activated a roomprog with a command, but echoat doesnt' work because self is not definied...what should I use?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: echoat $n  ??
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: send
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: was just reading: http://www.aardwolf.com/lua/onslaught-chaos.html
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Alternatively, you can actually set 'self = whatever' if you need to
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Triggered by a player saying "help" in the Melnibonean home with the old lady by a fireplace.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mob echoat $n A shimmering blue light envelops you!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: But send requires only a target and a string, iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I believe that may be outdated, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: well that uses a mob I want it to happen off the roomprog
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: well if the rtfm is outdated.. then i have no clue :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: will try the $n
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: $n won't work - you must use either send or set the self var.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: so with send you'd have to provide a charname...but to have it jsut send a message to whoever typed the command...how do yoou have it set self to that char's name?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so: echoat(ch,"As you enter, the old lady stands up.") outdated as well?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No, that's the current version.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh, same page
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's more updated on http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Main/BuildersHelp
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it has lots of old/new examples... might be worth a read Garl
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: ok...sorry what the address again?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/lua/onslaught-chaos.html
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh, use mine instead. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}West Side Garl Tech: thanx...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Main/BuildersHelp
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i downloaded bastmush
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i couldnt find those examples in yours... tmi to sort through
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Korridel Tech: I'd say use the one Etzli linked.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli thanks Korridel heartily.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i woulda used it, looked there 1st... then went to tht old page i had bookmarked :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It breaks the information down in sections. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: was too many sections... a simple ctrf-l on the other got the amswer for me at least
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ctl-f
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: bah
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli smirks.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: is there anyone who has experience with pc based VI clients who could message me? I don't want to clutter up the channel with questions
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's really only one MUD client that I know of that claims to be VI-focused, but there are lots of VI tools that can be made to work with the various clients...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Might try sending Curi a tell. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: apparently a lot if VI'er like MonkeyTerm too
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: http://www.conradshome.com/monkeyterm/
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: I will give that a try thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: I'm trying VIP mud, and it would make since for me to pay for it as I was encouraged to 
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: this as pt/ot, but I'm also having some luck with Mudlet which is free...I just feel I need some help getting it tweaked right
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, VIPMud is the main one for people looking for something specifically for VI...note that I don't know of any predone scripts for aard available for it, and 98% of the players won't be able to help you with it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: bast quaffer... potgalert (on|off)   - turns on or off the alert to gtell channel of how many potions remain (sent after each potion use)  <-- easy to set to echo or some other channel?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: from: http://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/PotionQuaffer
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm sure it'd be easy for you to mod it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: aint for me again :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's OK, it's a textfile, you can edit it for them :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: search gtell, replace <channelname>
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: scripter should consider epic runs and the ability to toggle info channels :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that plugin predates epic runs
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: pre OC?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: latest revision is Jun 22, 2012... so shoulda considered it by now :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: OC existed at the time, it likely wasn't a big thing for anyone onoitsu was friends with
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: revision wasn't by the author
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or likely by anyone involved in really adding stuff to it...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Note: This upgrade changes the format of some broadcasts... so shoulda change the format to include what channel :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: onoitsu wrote it, bottomfeeder bugfixed and added some features, both of them still 6 years ago...bast's mods were prolly just to make it fit within his stuff, not adding features or heavy support
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: anyhoo, still a good idea for all scripters to easily allow changing broadcast channel
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: changing "You have xx left" to "You now have xx left" is changing format...that's a much more minor change than adding in variable saving, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, it's a good idea...you're welcome to submit diffs, but it seems to be mostly a dead plugin that's updated to just keep it working
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: already has variable saving for the potion names and amounts... seems like one extra alias and changing some hard coded "gtell" to a var
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daesilme Tech: Well, snap to it, then.  =)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i aint a mush user, don't care to learn at this time :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, it's a plugin that pretty much hasn't been touched by anyone in 6 years, and 6 years ago, "best practices" were less universal
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so is there a newer potion stats script?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it's already 100% compatible with epic runs
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's why it has the line you quoted to start the thread
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: by turning off the info completely
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup, which is the case for lots of zmud and mush scripts/plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh... nod, but "off" kinda defeats one of the reasons of having the script
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, actually it doesn't
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd bet that a lot of the user of the script keep that off
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: potgalert (on|off|channel)  ... that would be cool :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the point of the script is to handle the potions, not necessarily to tell you the count after each use
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, i would... but mine in zmud keeps count in the buttons info
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, mine has it in the statusbar of tinyfugue...aard______37__POTS________34__MANA______2___MOVE______0__WEB______20:57
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod... http://i.imgur.com/Q1MmN.png
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: anyhow, on bast's page, click issues, new issue, submit it as an enhancement request...worst case he doesn't feel like adding it :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: what's WEB 20:57 Abelinc?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: dissolve pots, and the time
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: oic... # before name
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 37 heal pots, 34 mana, 2 movement (actually that's prolly zero, but I haven't used them since T0), 0 web
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Potions on hand... Heal: 157 Mana: 7 Move: 3
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: a report alias is nice too :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: potions <show|report|reset|set> <channel>
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I use a "gtell" function rather than gtell to the MUD, to let me redirect as needed ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i use @report_to for broadcast scripts... then an alias reportto <channel|show|off>
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my "silent" gtell just switches it to using echo
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: off=total off, show=no mud command, then any channel
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and i used report_to across all scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and that pre-dates epic runs too :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: finally mad an "epic" alias last 7x... toggles ALL kinds of scripts/spam/etc
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Inferno would been evem more crazy without it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: uh. interesting. that's a lot of text.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: heh. abelink's logs...may crash muy screen reader.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, they are pretty lengthy :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: download them locally and use a grep tool, or only use the monthly files for smaller amounts
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: i prefer a hard copy
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea, i just downloaded and wrote an alias to findlog
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you can't possibly make a hardcopy of that.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: they're 24mb lengthy.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: trying to copy it to the clipboard broke my first screen reader, broke my second screen reader, and then crashed firefox.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: why would you copy that to the clipboard?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: trying to get it downloaded.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: in ff... save as, give it a txt extension
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it doesn't matter, I can't actually use them currently.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: they're too big, and will break the screen reader.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I have to do some investigating. I think the screen reader, somewhere, does something o(n^2) with strings.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: then get grep for windows, use the command line to search... you'll only get lines with your keyword
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but the question/answer logs don't quite work that way.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I need the answer line too, which won't have the key word, so i ahve to manually examine.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Camlorn.. grep with context
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: perhaps.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: grep -B 3 -A 2 foo qa_log.txt
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: presuming it has normal grep flags, use -B # for n-lines before and -A # for n-lines after...don't search for question or answer, search for what you're interested in learning
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: perhaps? isn't that exactly what you were shooting for? =p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod Abe :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that'll basically let you follow a conversation
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: theres a port of grep to windows... same syntax
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I've got the full cygwin package installed--by the way that takes 8 hours or so--so I do have it.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o, there goes firefox again.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so download as qalog.txt... then grep -A 10 ft1 qalog.txt
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I know what you're saying, I realy do.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: you could use wget to bypass firefox. lol this is kind of funny. i just keep the thing up in a firefox tab and it's never crashed. 
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the screen reader is the problem here.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea.. you got cygwyn... wget http://mikeride.chaosnet.org/abelinc/stats/2012qa.txt
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hey, wait. you have immtalk?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: oh.. the log :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: help immtalk shows the requirements to see it
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but i imagine the imms mainly chat on clan channl :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, they have godtalk ;-)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: basically same diff :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what's that command line thingie that does stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: grep -a 10 ft1 <file>...and mine is different.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: windows? cmd?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I figured they just used the voip extensions to aard that lasher coded, but haven't made it on to the test port yet..
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: grep -A
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: not -a
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: even so. it fails. hang on.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: capital a
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: da google can teach you grepfu
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: grep --help?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: should work... my grep --help shows:   -A, --after-context=NUM   print NUM lines of trailing context
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: looks like the same output as on my mythtv
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: how is MythTV these days
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: decent... i still want the animated previews back like ?.18?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's handling 6 tuners nicely though :)
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: fun fun. I switched over to XBMC a while ago... I know doesn't do all of the same things, but between it and sickbeard does better, if less uh, .. legal. i guess.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i couln't live without commercial auto skip
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: They get it supporting cablecards yet? or is that strictly a windows thing still
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: not yet... luckally my provider doesn't encrypt firewire
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Nice. I know a while back there was a company modifying cable boxes to get I think it was USB out.. but voided warranty and since most cable boxes are owned by the cable cos..
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i had to change remotes, when we bought the 50" ... the infrared started freaking out
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Harmony one or bust
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i use serail to change 3 boxes, firewire for 2, and just straight cable for the 6th
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Next project for me is getting everything to support commands over HDMI
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: serial
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: CEC I think its called
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: last project for us was mythzoneminder... that's pretty sweet
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: mythzoneminder? Multi zone audio im guessing?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: security cams
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: oooo. That's interesting too
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I wonder the complications coming from running them on a media device.. especially one already running 6 tuners though
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's nice being able to peek in at the house and yard while away
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: all tuners and the capture card for the cams are hardware mpeg...
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDMI-CEC Apparently myth tv has support for the HDMI control stuff too
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: almost no load
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Fair enough. I'd just hate for something to cause your security cam to go belly up when you needed it solid. But if it works for you, it works =) I kind of feel the same way about a lto of home automation stuff.... running too much together causing problems with lighting/security/etc
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it pretty solid, only issue up here in the mountains is when the power goes out for longer then the ups can live :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Pffft. Generator or bust =p
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: too rich for my blood :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Fair!
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: normally power is only out like 10 mins... we can keep watching tv through it... bout once a year in the winter it will drop for a few hours
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: But yeah... all my stuffs due for a refresh soon.. I'd like to get everything rack mounted and controlled over the network. More then is in the pocketbook at the moment though, and its working
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: we are due.. master backend will hit 4yo in february
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: what are you using for front ends?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the kids both use an xbox original, then we got just generic homebuilds in the livingroom and our room
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Ahhhhh original xbox <3 
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I wish the 360 had kept that sort of flexibility =\
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea.. the boy has ne for gaming.. still plays it often
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah too bad the drives crap out in them
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ours all have 1tb in em
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i meant the dvd drive
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: who uses the dvd drive?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: all videos are in myhvideo, and all games are on the hd
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: DVD is also easily replaced
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ive got 2 spare dvd drives in case i ever need to recopy all the cames
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: they are backed up to iso though
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: where do you get them from?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the games? from the retail discs
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: those are packed far away though
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no lol the dvd drives
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: anymore? dunno... aint bought ne in years
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: so much for easy
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i dont use em.. the mythxboxes are slims... no dvd in em
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and the boys fat one... all games are on the hard drive
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i got 3 xbox's all with bum dvd drives
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: soft mod em... transfer games over ethernet
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Oof. 1 tb over 100mbit.. sad times
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: sounds like a chicken-egg problem
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: even the original drive will hold a few games
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: dont need a drive to softmod.. only a mem card
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: original was only an 8gb right?
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: 6.4 or 8
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: normally 6.4
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: hmm the xbox drives i've pulled out are 80 Mb's
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: finally found a LSIM ide to sata adaptor... so mine all use sata drives now
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: MB? heh
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: SLIM*
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: on dealextreme of all places :P
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ordered 10 for under $2 each
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nice
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Seriously, this is beginning to irritate me with this plugin/script. After changing it around so it uses different triggers, it still fails to enable the next one and send the proper information.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Maybe you shouldn't bot so much, bot man.
T3/r7/2012-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no... i couldn't live without my bot :(
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Neither could I, my XT-77 TrollBot is what makes me as a character :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Sounds to me like he needs more practice, not less.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mine seems bloated now :(
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Triggers: 2647 Aliases: 505 Variables: 787 Paths: 0 Macros: 51 Class Folders: 549 Mapped Zones: 290 with 31793 rooms. Menus: 9 Tabwords: 82 Status Windows: 6 Directions: 10 Buttons: 18
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I don't even know what some of those things are :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Paths: 0 <-- im quite fond of that :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's quite easy to have 0 paths.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ndnod.. let "go" do em all :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: 2647 triggers! 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: targets for leveling
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have targets for leveling too, and only one trigger for each area.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: in what sense?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: on walkin... (G) a dolphin G 157  ... target=dolphin
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: bah, i'm behind ozzy... only 2361
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: kt alias kills target
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I only have like a dozen triggers :(
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and keypad * is macro for kt
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mine's similar, except it loads the list in the room so all I have to do is hit my keypad . to backstab the next mob in the list.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: helps me do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zquxG_wP54Y
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Only loads mobs opposite my alignment and within my proper level.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Etzli is such a damn bot, NUKE
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: that's a fine line that one
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not really.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mine loads based on level_as=good|neutral|evil
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: As long as I don't automate it, it's fine.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I just hate typing, so I'd rather do as little as possible.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i MUST press a key to kill... period
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Ozzy.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i doze off... i dont kill :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i feel that would be slower than levelling normally, ozzy :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: maybe it'd just take some getting used to
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: watch the video
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Basically, mine is "hit decimal -> backstab first mob in the list". Mob dies. -> "hit decimal -> backstab new first mob in the list". Rinse, repeat.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, i have something like that too for some areas
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: i just don't understand.. why would you not just use an area spell? *boggle*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mine is press xbox button, press again, press again, press again
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: drank 1... i stay in the top 25... so fast enough :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And Ozzy, mine goes by the mob's actual alignment as processed by 'look', since sometimes, mobs can change alignment with spells. 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Since consider is a no-lag command, I issue it before each kill, to get keywords and alignment as well as relative level range.  Also handles mobs coming into/leaving the room
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i just track mobs coming into/leaving the room :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Telechubby Tech: is there a patcher for this client?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mine is hard coded, i rarely have issues with it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Mine doesn't handle mobs leaving/entering yet. I really should. Sometimes, I hit decimal and get the "They aren't here." message.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: repops too, and a couple other things that i don't remember off the top of my head
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: any of these for mushclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: my kt sends bs target;glance;class_skill
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: what about mobs with prefixes that cannot be used to target?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: glance picks up next target... if none found.. hitting kt again glances only
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if fighting, kt sends class attack
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Scurvy: I have the mobs in a database with their keywords, so a lot of work has gone into it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and sends bs if it aint happened on current kill
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, for instance, "(G)A noble man sits here, turning his nose up to you." will be subbed to "(G)noble man (153)"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And it loads "noble man" as a mob in the list.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ky also sets targeted bit, so in case i walk away and get aggroed... heal wont happen at end of fight
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I had no idea you guys brush so closely against the bot wall
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And this all has been approved by imms, I assume, since you are talking about it openly on tech?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i only use triggers to highlight messages >_>
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: this all sounds so complex
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: doesn't really need to be approved, it's not illegal
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: It's just target selection
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the things we are talking about are in now way against the rules
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Brushing the bot wall is key. One person got nuked because he decided that it was too easy to cross over, and did.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: as long as you need to input something to attack a mob it's fine
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no way*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at The Reaper Myrkul.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for most targting scripts... the difference to a level bot is ONE trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Really, not even one trigger, but one line in a trigger.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Most people have exp trackers, and if they add just one line to the dead trigger... well... :\
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i could add one trigger to mine, and be full auto.... yea.. one line in one triger :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: i.e., "do it again when the mob dies"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but that would be bad mmmmkay?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm trying to remember the guy that pretty much did that. Lasher nuked him for it, but said the guy understood what he did, and didn't throw a fit about it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, i remember that note... lasher didn't post the name iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I just wish you could attack 1. here like my last mud. 1. hit the first mob in the room regardless.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: luckally i am patient enough to not be tempted :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: He did, Myrkul.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Though, that said, I wonder - stacked commands are okay as long as you don't do more than 1 room at a time.  Is it illegal, then, to have triggers handle 1 room at a time?  Seems odd...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: staking 1 room doesnt allow for healing and such
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Valkyrie Sammael Tech: I go by the rule: If you have to question it, rather not.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, it does if you stack heals :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i think detecting all the mobs in the room, building a stack, then sending it all at once with an alias would be fine
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: as long as YOU send the stack
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if more mobs enter and you start automatically stacking more, then that's pushing it i think
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: a kill_all alias would be fine... as long as it aint triggered
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i'd prooly die too much trying that :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: really, it's not too different from c 84;#20 {attack spell}
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Valkyrie Sammael Tech: So saying an alias that checks what mobs are in the room (or has mobs in the certain room key recorded) is legal?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: True
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the mobs get recorded on walkin... the alias sends k @t1;k @t2;k @t3
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Why wouldn't it be legal, Sammael?  As long as you don't have triggers to automatically kill mob X, it's just getting information
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Whoops, guess he didn't. Weird.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I guess I heard the name from someone, then.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Valkyrie Sammael Tech: I don't know. The grey area is large to me.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's no grey area about it at all.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's no different than using consider. 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or look. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the grey are is, is it you or your client killing? if you walk away, does the client function without you
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if i suddenly walk away, my char will stand there spelling up, if im aggroed, i wont heal and will likky die
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, technically AFKing in an aggro room *is* botting, heals or not.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, that's probably a bit exaggerated :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Grey area is perfectly fine, to be honest.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Pedwiddle.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can toe the line, but not cross it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: unless you're levelling in area with aggro mobs way above your level, you wouldn't die
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but having an emergency every so often and flying away from keys in an aggro area is grey :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: is afking in an area with aggros really botting even with no triggers at all? seems.. odd
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Lokathor.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Says so right in 'help botting'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you're not at your keyboard and you're gaining exp/spoils, then you're botting.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if i have time to type afk, i have time to type home/enter/recall
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's why autoquaffers are so grey area. If you have to leave suddenly, for any reason, is your character going to stay alive via triggers if you're suddenly aggro'd? If yes, then maybe you shouldn't be using autoquaffers. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: thus i set a targeted flag on me typeing kill
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if /i/ kill it, i will heal, if aggroed in any way,,, no healing for me
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: One thing - I'm unclear on whether auto-skill stuff is illegal.  e.g., every round, use a skill/spell...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i dont auto skills/spells
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: To be honest, in the past, I've set up a timer that if I didn't physically type something on the command line within a time limit, I would automatically go home.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: my kt just knows im fighting and sends skill instead of bs
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: su
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i still got that Et :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Not a bad idea
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: My understanding is if you are at keys (quite subjective) then it is legal to auto send attack/heal spells while in combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: anybody using these type of aliases on mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: "these types"?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly only reason i aint went away in an aggro area in the past
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: targeting
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: While in combat, sure. But if you're initiating combat wia triggers, whether you're at the keys or not, you're botting.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hell, if you're "at keys" it's "legal" to bot gq's and campaigns. *shrug*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Right
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I was responding to Pedwiddle's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: YOU must send the attack command period
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Heh, "you" must send the attack command, good luck telling if it's "you" or "your bot"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: there are ways
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: so from what I'm reading here, zibot is probably just hitting a single button again and again?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Entirely possible, sure
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Zibest's been bot-tested several times. No indication he's a bot.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It wouldn't be a single button, though. You can't stack kill to any command.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: * to go, * to kill
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: bet it's been more than a couple of times lol
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i kill with a single button Etzli
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: For instance, you can't do "run 2s3e4s2w;kill mob"--- you have to do the run first, then type "kill mob"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Probably, he is "at keys" but the vast, vast majority of the work is done by his client.  I don't remotely believe that he is an honest or clean player, he is more than likely a cheat but is hiding behind the fact that his cheating is practically impossible to prove.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It doesnt make him any less of a filthy cheater.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, he could have one to kill, and could trigger off the "you killed a gq mob" lines to go to the next mob
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Of course he triggers off of that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you killed would load a path into a var
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: he has had 11 years to work on his scripts after all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: then same key would goto, and same key would kill
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: He kills via trigger as well, but good luck ever proving it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: not being able to stack more than one kill into a stack kinda makes sense, but it's also pretty hair-splitty to not be able to stack kill onto a speedwalk, and having to type it separately
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: then how do you know starling
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You can't move to the next mob on the "You killed" message, or any method from what I've been told.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: "message" not method
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: "strong suspicion" should be enough, trash like him is lucky I'm not in charge, because he would have been shown the door long ago.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: you killed can load a path into a var though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yes but you still have to push a button
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nodnod
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: At least until someone interfaces the new brain wave headgear to their client
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Huh - I wasn't aware of that one.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heck.. even the you attack could load the next path
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: so you reckon he loads the entire gq check info into a variable that he then rotates through, rather than checking each time
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: could have always attacked the wrong one
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Almost assuredly
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: "white pawn" in chessboard, "old woman" in dortmund, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea... one cquest check per global... most assuredly
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Cp's per day should be capped, also.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: er, that is, i was replying to Ozzy's plan of path load on attack command
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: does anyone use targeting aliases in mush and be willing to share or help?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Oh well, proof the world is unjust?  Decent folk have to die, cheating trash just lives on and on.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: why should they be capped starling?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i saw a consider one....
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: loaded probable names into 1,2,3,5,,,,
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: Who's a cheating scum?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: 'help consider', Kinjin - that's most of what you need right there, for my way of targeting, anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yuo just typed 1, 2 or 3
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Spank, I'll give you a hint, won't mention any names though, but their name starts with "Z" and ends in "ibest"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh... haters gonna hate :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: And cheaters gon' cheat.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: And ice is gonna melt
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: And many a mickle makes a muckle.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: And your mom is still gon' work tha street corner in gansta land.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: oh well... if they bot they get cuaght... eventually
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Spank Tech: And yo momma so ugly, she like REALLY ugly!!!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and zibest is going to complete three 146-165 gqs in a row in under a minute each
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Unless they've worked the system so hard it will never be proven.  The standards of evidence need to be revised.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: just put a cap on total globals... period... you good, we get it... YOU WON :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I still try to have faith that he will be caught, but in all honesty I don't think it will ever happen
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i liked the gq info delay as you get more wins idea
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Lasher is most welcome to VNC to my machine anytime... that's all i gotta say :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Starling, the rules allow for completing gqs as fast as he does, your beef is misplaced.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Not me.. I wouldn't want him finding my furry midget erotica folder..
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: furry midgets!!! y u no share???
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not the speed that is the problem, Ixle... it's that he is 99.9% bot.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: And that's what the rules allow.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: By all means, win them fast, but do it yourself.  I'd bet a tp that if you took away his client, Zibot wouldn't win a goddamn thing.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: zibest reminds me of slith... they play in there sleep
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No, the rules DON'T allow it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: a lot of people are.... just not with as much invested
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yes, the rules allow for reducing gqs down to 1 button.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No, they don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: yeah.. they do
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yes they do
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No, they don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: the only thing you can't do is have your triggers attack the mob
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Again, this is why I say your beef is misplaced.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: no they don't, not 1 button with 1 press to it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: they can run to it.. hunt for it.. and get you into the same room
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: maybe the same button pressed many times
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: but you must issue the kill command
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: who said 1 press???
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: 1 button press repeatedly I should clarify.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: We expect players to follow the spirit of the rules, not just the letter of the law; if you think you have found a way around the letter, you can be fairly sure you are violating the spirit and will be treated no less harshly.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: press(go here), press(kill this, load next go), repeat
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Straight from 'help rules'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: oh start on spirit of the rules crap
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: err don't start
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Zibot's botting is at-keyboard, it is "allowed" by the letter of the law, but I'm fairly sure it's completely against the spirit of the rules and as such it should be actionable.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: macros are not outside any spirit
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: the spirit of the rules is mainly that you should be at keyboard and playing.. and shouldn't be sleeping while your character is gaining things
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod Scryn
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: No, the spirit of the rules is that your client shouldn't be playing for you, and in Zibot's case, that is all that's happening.  He isn't doing a damned thing himself, and if you took away his client he would never win.  He's a bot, 100%.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: and since zibest has to issue a kill command.. he's there.. and playing.. and while I hate his guts for kicking my ass in any gquest we're in together... he's following the rules.. and spirit.. of the rules
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I think you mean 99.9%
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Please, you and I both know he triggers kill.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: something tells me .. he knows the areas pretty damn well by now
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: He doesn't know jack except how to press his bot button.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: no his client does
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: then learn to write scripts for yourself.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no, his time and effort scripting it does
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: and stop whining.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Starling chooses not to - it's his right, it's how he wants to play
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Really?  If you want to win, just bot as well?  Nice.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Should probably take it to debate instead now. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Bah, sorry - her/shee
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Book of Etzli person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Whatever, keep supporting the botting trash folk.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: I'm done.. I just don't like complainers :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Since all you are doing is measuring your e-peens.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: your definition of a bot relies on a fact you dont REALLY know, that he triggers kills
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Until the "spirit" of the rules is written down and enforced your cause is a lost one Starling.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: there are ways to tell.. and given how many gquests he wins.. I'm sure it's been tested
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no one is arguing that triggering kills is illegal
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: he's been tested prolly more then any of you would stand for :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Well, nobody's arguing that it *isn't* illegal..:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I disagree, Ixle.  I think the spirit of the rules is quite clear in cases like this.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Did they test him for the "spirit" though Ozzy?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Lasher decides that, so i would guess yes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: the spirit of the rules.. is you should be at keys and if you leave your computer.. you shouldn't be gaining anything while you're away
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I would pay cash money to watch Zibest's screen and keyboard as he wins a global quest
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: scryn by that logic you should type quit everytime you're afk
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: me too... an over the shoulder video though :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: The problem is that there's no way to enforce the "spirit".  If your issue is that his client runs to the rooms, knows where the mobs are, etc., then fine - how do you keep people from using their clients' mappers?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: there are some exceptions to that Santher
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: DM Oladon eyes Santher suspiciously.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: you are allowed to spell yourself up
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: As I've said, his botting is at-keys, he is there to react to any test, and likely has alarms set up to detect any anomalous mud output.  It's what I would do in his place.  Bot testing is futile, all that is left is to go by the spirit of the rules and the premise that if one's client is doing the majority of the work - whether that person is at keys or not - it is botting and it should be punished as such.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i think 99% of the people who use clients the client does the majority of the work
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: At the end of the day I guess Zibot trash should be glad I'm not in charge.  It's a nice fantasy, at any rate.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i cant read channels as fast as my capture window can grab them... i can remember how to walk to a given are like my client can
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: cant*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Exactly, because it's there.  You can't keep people from using their clients.  You can, however, draw a line and say "past this, you're a bot".  Lasher's done that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: starling do you use speedwalks?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod Pedwiddle
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: cause there was a time.. when runto didn't exist... 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: would it then be illegal for me to store runs in my client to run to the 100's of areas on the mud.. or do I have to remember how to get to them all?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Keep defending the botting trash, Scryn.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and my client USED to do ALL the work selling inventory... now sell all does it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Btw, is not a personal attack to call people like that botting trash... because they are not people :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Heh
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and having 30025 speedwalks is illegal now?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: starling is now gagged.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Oh noes, bite my ass.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: The problem is that you haven't come with a good definition of the "spirit of the rules" other than "don't let your client do the majority of the work", which is way too vague to enforce.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: you mean that shiny metal thing?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not vague, it's fluid.  Case by case.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i get you Starling... i just think he aint triggering the kill... damn close... but aint crossed that line
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Whether he has or not is immaterial - can't prove it one way or the other.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not a hard and fast line, though, that is the thing.  It's a smeared-out grey area.  That's why it has to be case by case.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: read the 4th to last paragraph
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: of help bot
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: probably just hits another macro while running
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if he walks in and takes 23ms near EVERY time to kill... there are tests
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: that says it pretty well
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: says what pretty well, Scryn?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: the spirit of the rules
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: that bots that help you play the game are perfectly allowed.. provided if you leave.. they stop working.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: having triggers that makes mobwalk into macros is fine yea? but just seems wrong to me
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: the paragraph that starts with "Nobody has a problem with..."?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Santher, that would be illegal and measurable
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns hums about someone who lives in a script that's coded in C.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I don't see how that defines the spirit of the rules at all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: perhaps it can be more defined as "the possibility of winning a global quest is defined by whether you are competing against zibest" that suggests that something is off in the world
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I still say, Starling, you need to take it up with the imms, not the players following the enforcement pattern and letter of the rules.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: the spirit is.. be at keys while you're character is gaining experience, qp ... and the like
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and the spirit Ixle :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: and make sure that whatever triggers you have.. if you leave.. they don't continue to gain experience, qp and the like.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: weight sensor on your chair =p
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: The problem with enforcing the spirit of the rules is that, if it's done on a case-by-case basis, what one player got away with could get another player nuked.  There might be extenuating circumstances, sure, but it would be seen as unfair by many, and would ultimately hurt the MUD.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not about leaving or being afk.  A script is a bot when it does the overwhelming majority of the work.  At-keys is ultimately irrelevant.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Says you
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: says who?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: The staff say different
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: thus the mud aint a democracy Pedwiddle... it's Lashers law period :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: oh.. this is the problem with gagging people :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah, you don't even have to break the rules to get nuked
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and that's as it should be... you aint entitled to play here :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: so what's the work defined as? characters intput to the mud? where's the line? 51% 55%?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Lokathor - case by case.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i thikn Lasher said somethign about nuking people who said 'your' :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Essentially, any one of us could easily become as good as zibest at doing global quests, by programming complex scripts and databases and so forth to put the boundary of "99.9% bot", but we have chosen not to because we are basically good people who do not believe in cheating against human opponents, and resent Zibest for not having drawn that line so closely as us
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: sounds like him
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: that's the thing starling, you can't case by case that, or it's just an arbitrary "who do the imms like most?" game, and that's stupid
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i dont do it cause i consider it cheating..im too dang lazy to do it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Starling, if you think the spirit as it stands is grounds for action, why have all members of the staff (over 5 different ones) that I've contacted said otherwise?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I disagree.  I think any attempt to adhere to precedent here will fail to address the problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Because their hands are tied, Ixle.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Your interpretation of the spirit, that is.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: How are their hands tied?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: wow ixle you got the same answer from 5 different imms? immpressive
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: over 5!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: The same answer that "x" or "y" was allowed.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: the problem is that you don't like him. the actual effect on the mud as a whole is minimal regardless of how many gqs he wins because he can't be in every gq bracket at once
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You're right, I don't like cheating trash.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Even more impressive since I don't think I was one of them
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: thats a fair point loka but for a couple morts i was unfortunate enough to be leveling parellal to him
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: it couldnt be too hard to sw every quest mob, i wonder how many there are.. surely a few people know roughly
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: ... btw shouldnt this be moved to a diff channel ? its go way beyond any sort of technical topic
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Anyway, stop complaining that people aren't being punished for crap that isn't against the rules. Get the rules changed or shutup.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm not complaining about things that aren't against the rules.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i only have 7497 qmobs... prolly not even half :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Modi Tech: i just wonder why he need so many qps
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: if he's leveling paralell to you, take a break for 1 or 2 days and suddenly he's not paralell to you at all any more
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nobody ever has enough qp :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: you never have enough QP
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: if i have infinite QP i'd buy all the pockets wishes and then fill all my item slots with aardbags
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: At some point, I'm sure optimizing your script becomes it's own end.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: not until i have a golden chaos portal 0 wt'ed and keepflagged to EVERY portalable room in the mud... then i will still want more qp  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: In any case, I'll continue to believe that eventually we'll read his nuke note, and be able to laugh in the bastard's face.  Until then....
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Good luck with that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Luck has nothing to do with it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Imalish Tech: what you don't know is zibest is really lasher's bot :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Sorry, good spirits on that!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: rofl Imalish :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Mock it if you will, the spirit of the rules matters, or should.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: See, you just said it yourself, "should"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Yeah, and ... ?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: we've all seen bots come and go.... they will always exist, always have... and always get nuked eventually :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: If you want anything other than the letter of the law enforced you need to push for that, not complain he's currently breaking any rules without any proof.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yea.. start a petition or something... I'm sure Lasher would listen with enough backing
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's not possible to have positive proof, that is the whole problem.  Strong suspicion should be enough.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher laffs.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That's not an American value Starling, I doubt you'll get much support for that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: shadow of doubt...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Good thing this isn't bound by the Constitution, huh?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: If only Lasher was American.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: born in America does not an American make :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: If Lasher is a naturalized citizen, that is sufficient to make him American.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I said I doubt you will get much support for that, since it's not only an American value but good common sense.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If things were based on strong suspicion, half the MUD would be gone.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Including you.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: You don't get nukes on hearsay, only proof
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I disagree.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: You would
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You gonna share your story of wrongful punishment with us, Santher?  You know you want to.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: nah... i don't want to get nuked again
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: mmkay
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Leinei . o O ( Have no idea what it is, btw )
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: That's just awesome powers of deductive reasoning for you
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli grins evilly at Leinei.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xantcha Tech: it's amusing to see the conspiracy theories people have about nuke when they have no knowledge of what really takes place when someone's suspected of something
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: well fill us in
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: I mean, you can log in for 2 minutes ever, and if someone wants your name 7 years later, then you might get nuked without even breaking a single rule!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: 1 fishy nuke was enough for me
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Haha, Apple is now pursuing Google Maps engineers. :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: is it possible to have http requests come in on one gateway and go out on another?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: tintin uses ^ to anchor at start of line right?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: c mega
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Whoops.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: Yes, it does.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: is this the current message: ^(.*?) DISARMS you and you struggle not to drop your weapon\!$
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: can anyone tell me way in MUSH when i use hyperlink from a trigger that sends to script, the hyperlink is only text if the trigger is set to omit from output
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: works fine if I a write a function and use the trigger to call it or if i don't omit it from output just don't see why it doesn't work at the world level while omitting
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Anyone have experience with blowtorch mud client?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Cannot get it to work on my galaxy s1 but it works on my sisters tab ?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Was working before until the v1.13 update since then only force closes when trying to connect
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Anyone have any possible solutions?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I'd suggest emailing the dev.. I don't have any useful immediate advice, though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: again, stressing email, and not leaving feedback in the market
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Have emailed him and no response...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Emailed him 3 times iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: might be able to find an older APK if it was the new one that broke it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: and been like this for a couple months now
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: thats the problem I cannot find an older apk
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: thats all i meed
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: need*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: maybe try a different rom on the tab?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: a bit extreme.. but it might help
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: but apparently its not available or something
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: the tab is fine works perfect on there but not on my s1
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: ah, new rom for the phone, then
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: new rom?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Nod. Have you flashed either device, or any android device with a new rom?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: No I havent 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: It's like a software update... you can enable other features, remove some bloatware and stuff by flashing a new rom. Unsupported by the manufacutrerer and may or may not void warranties though, jsut as a forewarning
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: warranty is already expired anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: its the i9000? http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=656 forum for it.. xda developers has a lot of android stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: rather, roms
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: ah thanks will take a look at it in a few and see if it helps
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Cyanogenmod 10 for it, looks like they've got the rom from the nexus going.. so jelly been
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: bean
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: oh, also a heads up, good chance you'll have to wipe the data from the phone when you flash it. Just so you don't lose pictures/contacts/whatever.. though the contacts/calender should be backed up via google
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: na I dont have a sim in my s1 I use my sim for my blackberry
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Sim isn't really relevant to that though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: no saved contacts on phone
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: I save it all to sim
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Sloppy way to do things these days... such a narrow list of information you can store on a sim
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Oh wow nothing I read on the site registered in my head XD
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: To many acronyms
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: like what
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: 1.Make sure you're on the latest CWM 2.MAKE A NANDROID 3.wipe data/factory reset in recovery 4.Flash latest THS build (just to clean up from other devices build.prop issues) 5.flash AOKP 6.flash Gapps 7.reboot
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: I understood reboot xD
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nandroid == software for doing backups/restores on android. gapps == google apps
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: oky and what do they mean by flash?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You're talking new firmware for your device.. when you write new data/firmware to flash storage, you're flashing it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: if you were talking about CDs it would be equivlent to saying "burn"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: So I am takeing the files that I download from my pc and "flashing" it to my phone?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nod.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Oky so my 1st thought was correct then 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: CWM == clockwork mod.... its a tool used to flash/restore roms to your phone
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: Feel like I should just wipe the phone in general anyway
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Well, this process will almost certainly wipe it, especially if you skip the backup steps.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pyromaniac ElementPyros Tech: So any pictures, music etc will also be wiped correcT?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Theres a good chance. Its likely safe if its on the SD card. But anything you want, or can't do without, i'd make sure to save elsewhere
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: You can update all the way to jelly bean, it looks like.. which is the newest android OS.. i don't think theres but a handfull of phones that run it officially
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: good to do some reading though.. especially if its your daily phone
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: sometimes roms are missing features, like camera doesn't work, wifi doesn't work, etc... 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: but it seems like the few i looked at for your phone had no warnings about that stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: anyone ever have mush NOT display room info, etc?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: usually reloading mush fixes, but this is 5 reloaads no fix
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sobeit Tech: so I installed new mush client and new bast client, spellup is not working at all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sobeit Tech: so what can I do to get it working?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: bsp sadd all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Really R. Bigman Tech: ok hopefully your firewall settings won't ruin too much fun.. Check the say on this page! It's funny! lol... I wouldn't click too much on it tho.. http://ygheucakjz.ru/people/?bWlndWVsem9yaXRhLmNvbQ==
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: .ru? I've played this game and lost before, no thankee sir.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: If you've copied over a World file in Mushlclient/Fiendish install, are there backups anywhere of your aliases/triggers or the world file itself?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Aliases and triggers are in the world file.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Unless they were in a plugin.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: In which case, copy ye plugins.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Yeah I mean if you copied over a world though, does the default install back it up anywhere?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Nope.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Only thing backed up is the mapper database.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Nod thanks - I think there is a Mushclient option at one point, but it appears my friend is out of luck :(
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: as long as you copied the file and didn't move it there should be the original world file in the old location still
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Problem is copied over new version of mushclient over their old.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: nvm spell lag and sleep dep
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arbitri Josh Tech: Does anyone happen to be using the new version of mush for aard  v r1693 I think it is?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arbitri Josh Tech: I seem to be having an issue with it refusing to add new portals to my db...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arbitri Josh Tech: Could anyone help me with a mush aard client r1693 problem?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what kind of problem?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Using MC, how do you enable/disable a plugin from the cmdline?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: You need to write a plugin that does that. Actually there IS a plugin that does that already, you'll need to add your specific plugin to its list.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: which plugin is that?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: stock, or third-party?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: I don't remember.. If you are the proud owner of a text editor, you can have a look yourself.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Stock
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: for quick Reload when developing, I use ReloadPlugin("<id>"). I figure enable/disable will be similar
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: cool, I'll look later.  thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: do you run my stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yes.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: yours and fiendish's are all I use.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: type plugins and you will see a lis tof plugins, then you can do plugins enable/disable "name or command"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: ah, cool.  is 'reinstall' supported as well?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I was tryng to download the bast plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: with the "reload" command, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I moved the bast file to plugins file, 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: then i tryed to open the game, but it same the program didnt exist
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: so i have deleted everything, will try again tonight i guess
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: tried to open mushclient that is
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: when moving the bast file into plugins file, it said copying 337 files
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: is there a way to disable the MC flash screen?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: was that something that would normally be seen?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: ekto: that was way too many files, it should be less than 100
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: ya ok
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: im just clueless then :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Wish you could just download mushclient with bast already in it from your site
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Daikojun: what is the flash screen?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: In a plugin, I can use <![CDATA[ within the alias tags, right? Because I have a send to script alias, and in xml, it's &amp;lt; and not <...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Question if anyone has time on bast plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I have moved bast into plugins 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: he probably objects to that sort of treatment
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Do i need to go into plugins on mush and add bast now?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: anyone?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: add what?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: add the plugins you want to add
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i added bast into plugins file outside mush like it said to do
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's fine
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: now in mush, i should go to plugins, then add, open bast and add one at a time?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yup
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Is there a way to do them all?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you don't want them all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: dang it did it again, my main screen wont show me anything
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: how do i fix this?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: get a new monitor?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: blah
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: anyone out there that can help me?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i cant see my screeeen
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: is there a scroll log command or something
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: for what, channels?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: ok im using the aard download
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: ekto that happens to me sometimes, close mush and open it again
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i can see my communcation log, but my main screen, i cant see anything its just collecting my input
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: close out completely?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: still doing it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: closed and reopened.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: dunno then that fixes for me
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: right. so i don't use the client, but.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: is it possible you need to just move the communication log?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: think i missed something
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that, or try ctrl+tab, but that probably won't do anything.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: its just collecting my input only, not showing any output
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: click comm log and see if main window echo is on?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and this is why I don't use official client distributsions, that, and they're always graphical.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ekto is a nub
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: i never had a problem til i loaded winkle spellup
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: all on
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: this is a user problem, that i'm sure ecto will solve
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: now i just deal with it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: nod gnar
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: it happened right after i went afk 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: then came back and no output
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: restart mush
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: already did, do it again?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher pats Ekto on his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i found that if you sleep before quiting it does screw up mush
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: err doesn't
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: you know when you type who and you get the light blue screen to enter or quit etc
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: it does that right when i log in
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yep
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i can see room info and players in room, then it jumps right into that blue screen
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: disable winkle plugins and restart then reenable
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: no more output, only my input is collecting
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sounds like there's a trigger firing that shouldn't...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: if ya have to
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: next time don't install plugins from random strangers
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or candy
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: Enabling GMCP.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: what is that and is that causing a problem
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: no it isn't
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what's causing a problem is that you installed some other plugin that is behaving badly
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: didnt see any " winkle " within plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, it's the aard-specific (mostly) mudclient/server protocol.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and it does stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: press ctrl+shift+p and take a screenshot of what you have loaded and post that online somewhere
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Using MC r1667, my main window occasionally goes blank/black until it scrolls via <enter> or an event.  Any ideas why?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what's mcr1667
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish shrugs in response to Daikojun's question.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can only solve problems that can be reproduce reliably
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: reproduced
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i was loading in bast plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: should i just remove those for now?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: it's not an aard client problem that i know of fiend
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: here's what you do.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you go into plugins.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Ekto: you should maybe load them only one at a time
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you disable one. and then you restart.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah ekto
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: why would you not include the fact that you changed your client in your initial question?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i did
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: Problems that can't be reliably reproduced are easy to fix. You just have to walk into the room.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then you enable it, and then disable another. and then you restart.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: also, I'm running on Win7 64.  When I close the game client, the exe is still running in Task Manager (MUSHclient.exe *32).  I discovered this trying to ZIP up my folder and it failed because the .sqlite file was still open.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then eventually, you diable one, and everything starts working.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's wierd. I'm running win7 and do not have that issue.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: sounds like maybe windows being bad? 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'll tell you what that sounds like to me.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it sounds like mushclient is trying to write to sqlite for some reason after the main window is closed.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it should
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it saves the database on exit
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: windows could suck and not close out the file afterwards, though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i.e. one of your plugins is trying to save something, or there's a whole bunch of queued writing.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: maybe.  if I open it again, I get a second entry (more RAM used) of the exe running.  I've collected up to 4 before ending the tasks.  No harm seems to be done by that but it does seem odd
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'm not 100% on this, but I believe file handles are considered closed if their creator process closes.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: le'me see...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it is very odd, and I've never seen it happen. :\
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not observing this on my win7 64-bit system.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I actually don't use Windows at all. It works pretty much perfectly for me always in Wine on Fedora 16 or Ubuntu
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah, mushclient is one of the few apps that does.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: other than the blank screen issue (minor) and the mc exe not closing (not a fiendish pack issue), I'd call r1667 very stable
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: mc r1667.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not mcr1667. I see.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I released 1693 yesterday
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: what's the command ot see what version i'm on?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: 1693!? That's just plain ... FIENDISH!!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: THANK GOD
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: running 1667 under Wine on Ubu 12.04 doesn't leave the exe running.  I blame Windows.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I am assuming it was repaint buffer
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: checkversion
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Ekto: it wasn't
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my client didn't inform me of a new snapshot release
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You probably chose to ignore upgrades.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: I removed fix, repaint buffer, and all broadcast
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: check again. repaint buffer should just get re-added automatically
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also it doesn't do anything that would cause this in any way
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: as far as I know, I have it set to inform me since I'm running a SS.  How can I check the inform setting?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: actually, this could be caused by a trigger that doesn't ahve the keep evaluating checkbox checked.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: weird, its there and all broadcasts there too
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: maybe it was " fix " plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: out of random curiosity, how do you all develop plugins?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Ekto: possibly something interacting with it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the only way i've ever seen is to make a world for plugin development and then export what you want, and that just seems cumbersome.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: meanwhile, that was enough time for my qreset :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: see a need, meet the need
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Camlorn: fantastic brilliance
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that, or you have to go into raw xm editing happyland.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: thanks tech buddies
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Camlorn: I use a text editor that does Lua syntax highlighting
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Notepad ++ on Windows
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sure but...well, that lua stuff is in the xml stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: yeah, i found it bothersome when i was writing a plugin or two of my own
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: hmm...'package update check'
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: or pester Fiendish to build a friendly IDE.  I bet he's running out of mapper stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and as far as I've sene, the only way to get the xml stuff is to play around with the export stuff on the file menu or the plugin wizard, and if you ask me, the lack of ability to stick scripts directly into your world (you need a separate script file) is annoying, so I've always assumed I was just missing something.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: well, the bulk of plugins are lua, not xml
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: What tells MC that you are fighting?  GMCP status?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sure, but even a lua plugin needs an xml file containing that lua, with the trigger definitions and such.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: XML is only a container for Lua functions plus alias/trigger framework
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: several ways to see if you're in combat.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Daikojun: gmcp status
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also statmon if you're oldschool
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: set a bprompt that tells the plugin, use gmcp (maybe), check for the kill/flee/death messages (hard, prone to bugs)...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: yeah, but the editor program hiccups a bit at trying to properly highlight the important bits inside the XML file
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok thanks.  I'm working on a plugin that will not trigger when in combat
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: camlorn i have a bprompt, trig, gonna change it to statmon
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: kinda curious how you all remember the xml stuff, is what I'm getting at.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Camlorn: you can put script inside any normal alias or trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: *nods*
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you don't need to remember it all, that's what documentation is for :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I remember by having done it many many times
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: wait...it's documented?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: doesn't statmon use up a ton of extra bandwitdh for not much benefit over GMCP?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I also just copy a simple plugin and remove the parts I don't need
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: i don't know gmcp
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: bandwidth is not an issue here.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if bandwidth were an issue, we'd be using msdp.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I've modified bast's and fiendish's scripts to do what I want and to understand lua syntax
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: gmcp is documented on the wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you have good modifications I'd like to see them
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: noob stuff really.  Playing with mini windows, making a note notifier
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: what the diff?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: who has the one that you type go 1 and it takes you right to the area where the quest mob is?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: not personal bandwidth, but mud bandwidth
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I'm still looking for a way to make a curse filter with color code recognition
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: that is, personal bandwidth isn't the issue, but times 400 players it makes a difference
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: oooo, pick me, pick me.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you can make triggers that register on any color and any background.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why would a curse filter need to do recognize color codes?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if you want the actual color codes...I don't know how to do that anymore.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I was looking to just simply blank the words (black on black) or replace them with stars based on length
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: substituting partially colored strings in mushclient is rather complicated
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I can point you to a forum post that discusses it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the easiest way to blank a word is to replace said word with spaces.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I've read the posts you sent me on Nick's forum
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for the pg channels and general in-room messaging?  Seems funny to do that for the x-rated channels where it's allowed.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you do that, typically, with send to output.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: did I ask you why you want a curse filter?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: my son wants to play more but is still not ready for you guys  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: set a trigger to trigger on word boundaries on the word you're wishing to replace, put a few spaces in the box, and set it to be send to output.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you could disable curse channels for him
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: keep him off the rated x channels, and you should be fine. realy.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: it's clantalk too.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: unfortunate
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'd have to say, knowing it is there is the same.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I know I can't protect him forever but I'll do what I can
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: for anyone of the age to play aardwolf, knowing is there is knowing what it says, in most cases.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: have him keep clantalk off then, or don't have him join a clan :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if you're this worried about it, well...um.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: death without clan sucks
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: but you're okay with the general topics (the filter won't handle that, it's far more difficult to moderate those)?  Particularly Curse, which is moreorless the porn-rated channel.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: my guess is that daikojun is also using this as a little learning project. nothing wrong with finding a problem and trying to solve it, even if it's not terribly useful
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: and gclan is out of the question  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: indeed
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: would be nice if the quest mob is highlighed on scan heh
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: Idk. I'd agree with that, but I think that if you're this protective, you should just ban him from ever using the internet, and nowadays, there's no point in being that protective because you hear worse in high school without trying.  Even in middle school, if to a lesser extent...I suppose it's possible we're talking aabout elementary school here, but I'm asuming not until someone says otherwise...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, his explainin' clears everything up.  But how are you going to prevent him from just disabling your blocks?  Even if he doesn't tend towards that, eventually he's gonna start trying.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: as for actually doing it, you need a regexp with \b<word>\b.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: yes for sure
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I believe it's \b, would ahve to check my reference. typically, it looks like this:
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: \b(<word>|<word2>|<word3>|...|<wordn>)\b
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: He's 13 so I know he knows all the words and how to use them.  I hear them when he gets off the bus.  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: he's just not a typical 13yo
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and then you need to get the length of the string between the parentheses in your lua script and repalce it with spaces, typically with the thingie that you call to do that. Sorry, need references to do this.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but seriously, thre is literally nothing at all that stops him from turning it off. it takes, well, 10 seconds. literally.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: true
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I guess if anything else I could use my filter to purposely misquote people lol
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: is there a plugin to send an automated multi-line note?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That sounds much easier, just replace damn with darn etc, etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Bill Cosby used filth and foul
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Prince Wario Tech: geeze then we will have to come up with new words
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: "just replace" is not a phrase that is meaningful in mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: string substitutions are unfortunately nontrivial
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: like a forum note, or something else?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Oh how nice it would be if they were though!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you want to preserve color codes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: no, they're trivial...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yeah, like a welcome note for new recruits, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: one second and I'll explain.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: wait. I'm lost.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: think I missed part of the conversation.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun pats Camlorn on his head.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: are we trying to substitute a string in the output of your screen still?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: no
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not sure there's any plugin for handling the posting of notes, but conceptually it shouldn't be that hard.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: rereading.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: questions during Double should not be allowed.  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: allright.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: here's the deal. text substitutions in mushclient with color codes are hard.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: text substitutions in mushclient *without* color codes are easy.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: you can store the note in either a textfile or form it in whatever mush calls a local variable.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if the text of a note is fixed.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: nobody cares about without color codes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and if the note is going to be sent based off a specific messgae which contains the user to be sent to.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the trigger need only contain the exact sequence of commands, substituting the user to send to, to reproduce your note.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: for many cases, but not all, you don't even need lua to do it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but that ssumes good knowledge of regexps.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but again everyone wants to preserve color codes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: for putting the note elsewhere, i.e. a textfile, i'm 80% sure you can read file sfrom lua in mushclient.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm 100% sure
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: uh. how are we "preserving" color codes in a sent note?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i mean, unless you're taking something specific someone said and sending it via note, uyou need only include the color codes manually.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's basically going to be an adlib type of script, and kinda like a resource file you can store multiple forms.  There's probably even the ability to specify what range of lines to read from.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I think you're mixing two different questions
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'm talking about the 'how do I send an automated note" one.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: already finished with the "string subsittution with color codes" one, with the answer that it's nontrivial. but it is possible.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: oh ok
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you need a regexp as the match on for the trigger, knowledge of %1, and send to world selected in the send to box: the regexp captures the name which goes to %1 and you issue the exact aardwolf commands to produce and send your note.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the form-letter script will already know what you're going to send, unless you want to include a quote from the OP.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: if you want to include quotes from the OP, you are already in nontrivia land.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: though, nothing beats our homework: implement circular lists on top of an array. Which wasn't that bad, really, except that we then got to do it again with pointers, and I already knew that pointers are much easier. I'm in a slightly random mood.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: It would be a basic note.  I was thinking of coding it line by line but reading a text file written within the 70 chars per line limit format would be easier.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: meh.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: each is about the same difficulty.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yes but the text filename could also be a variable captured like the Send To would be captured, allowing the reuse of the script for different messages
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm, true, that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: I know I'm going to get flamed for this.. but i'm looking for a good torrent site for ebooks... i lost quite a few of mine that i had and don't feel like buying books i already own physical copies of...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: not gonna flame, we just can't help you is all
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: we don't discuss illegal things here, sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I guess I'm old school, I still prefer books over ebooks
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i can direct you to audible.com, and you can try all sorts of books out in audiobook format! :D
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: not looking for illegal. There's an author who put his out on the web for free, but since demonoid shut down I can't find his books. :( 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: if he put them on his web for free, clearly you should go to his web
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: who? I'm all for free books...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Then look for that author.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: Scott Sigler is the main one.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But by your statement of "don't feel like buying books i already own physical copies of" -- still illegal, still piracy.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm, never heard of him. Was thinking maybe cory doctorrow, whose last name i can never spell right, heh...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Robbo Tech: Looking for audiobook versions?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's legal in some countries, but 99% of us are from the US, so no, you're not going to get directions on that here.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun watches the Google servers strain as the search for "Scott Sigler" becomes a top searhc in the last 60 secs
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Amazon.com has free ebooks, though. :D
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: as much as US laws should be changed on the matter, we go by US laws since we're based in the US
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: Because he is now a signed author, they won't let him give the old copies away for free. I want his original versions, not the newly-edited pay for versions. 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Robbo Tech: Most of Sigler's books are available through podcasts for free as audio. I've listened to many of them.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And there are a few places that offer free ebooks, legitimately.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: in fact, some countries actually have the piracy governmental party...but yeah, we're in the US, and based off the US laws, so.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Robbo Tech: But yeah, most of his print books aren't around anymore as free downloads.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: where are these amazon free ebooks?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: yeah, but I hate being read to, and most of his stuff is the new versions of like Ancestor and whatnot, I had his original versions, but I have no idea what happened to them.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's under their... Ebooks/Kindle section?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I didn't know amazon had free anything.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: they give me free shipping
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: amazon gives away free android games every week
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i can get free shipping, if I want, as i'm a college student. apparently.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I remember when the only thing free at Amazon was shipping.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun shows his Prime badge
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmm. free ebook collections.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: wonder if I ned a kindle to actually read these.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: Kindle app on Android and iDevice
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: arg. that's all pre-1923.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: Oh well. I'll keep searching... makes me sad the files went poof. :( I don't want to break out any of his hard copies because they're all signed and personalized.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: and "classics". let me put it this way. there's a good reason I don't read a book if it gets the label "classic".
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: wonder what the copyright laws will be like when I die, tbh.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: if his work is worth that much to you, be a fan and buy it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: I have bought them. I own two copies of all his works. I just want to find the original ebooks he put out pre-signing with crown. I'll have to call him and see if he has them.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Signed ebooks? wtf?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: he means the physical copies are signed, i'm almost sure.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: he said hard copies were signed and personalized
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: /facepalm I have two copies of all his books in physical form, all of them are signed and personalized.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: ain't never heard of certificates? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the personalized sucks for value later though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Wait, no, I misinterpreted the pre-signing - he meant signing a contract I believe
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: Johns and I are playing Zelda, Majora's mask, on n64 emulators. Were both using the same rom, but hes using project64 on the pc, and im using n64oid on my tablet. for me, the game crashes every few minutes. it doesnt force close or give any notifiation, it just ends and takes me back to the n64oid rom selector screen. we tested it out on his phone which has n64oid also, and tor as long as we ran it, it didnt close. Anyone have any ideas?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: eBook Certificate of Authenticity  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: rofl. yeah, the books before he got on contact with crown. Who keep putting off "pandemic" and want him to do other books. I want my infected FFS. I have a huge tattoo of "Infected"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: sadly, unless you can prove that you dumped the roms yourself, we can't help you :/
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What? Of course we can
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: no, we can't?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'm not sure. that's a grey area.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Only I don't know the answer
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: what do you mean?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'd like to know which policy this lies under, because I'd like to see it ingame, so i don't get in trouble...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: hold up the cart taking a picture of the mud screen with it :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well we could in the literal sense, but it would be against the rules, because obtaining the rom was illegal
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And as for 'grey answer', emulation is perfectly legal where I live, AND in the US
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yes, but admitting you have roms is the grey area. idk. I think this will all change soon, but until it does...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: perfectly legal if you own the rom
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it's legal to emulate, and to dump, but not to obtain or distribute roms
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: lets say i own it. can you help?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: if you can prove it
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: no. wait.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: burden of rpoof falls on us.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Says who? If I own the disc, I can do whatever the hell I like insofar as getting the roms from wherever.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's not his job to prove he owns it...now we can't help you, sorry.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: lol pleaseee :) i really like this game and cant stand the force closing.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: not according to the US government you can't
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: take a picture of you holding the original cratridge and the current mud screen in client :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Vakieh doesn't live in the US, and gives a mighty bird to corporate pandering.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: whose job is it to prove it, though? seriously. Do we have to prove he doesn't own it or does he have to prove he does?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: backups are perfectly legal in the US
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: how do you know he owns it, versus his friend owning it?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: backups yes, the reason torrenting is so bad is it's not just getting a backup copy, but you're also distributing at the same time.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: possesion
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: If I own the disc in 1990, lose and or break it, guess what? Legally entitled to the rom now.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: innocent until proven guilty
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not in the US, I believe.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: Vakieh, since we're a mud based in the USA, it's USA laws that must be considered when following the rules of "no talking about illegal activities"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: rom and disc are two diff media
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Again, not in the US.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the key here is that in the US, you have to make the backup yourself.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And discussion of illegal activities is not in itself illegal.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it's against mud rules though
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you may technically be entitled to it, but you then ahve to prove you once owned it, which isn't so simple.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: not once owned, currently own. 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I can talk about the best way to pack a blunt all day, and it is 100% legal in all related jurisdictions.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: this is a wonderful discussion..but really? is it just my tablet or what? wh does only myyy tablet close the rom!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dawsey Tech: once you lose/sell/throw it away it is no longer yours and is illegal to own.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I need to check policies, hang on.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I need the activities on channels rules thing, hang on. here.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: depends on the illegal activity.  We couldn't give you tips on how to dispose of a body, for example, since that would be conspiracy after the fact.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: but we could discuss ways of disposing of a body
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: where's the bit saying we can't discuss illegal activities?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lokathor sighs.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what. I'm not asking because I want to circumvent the letter of the law.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That isn't discussing illegal activity, that is an illegal activity seperate to the murder.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ilike how they do it on Nakita and Breaking Bad
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I've not seen this policy, i'm obviously missing one.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: help tech, Camlorn.  HELP SEARCH is so awesome.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: actually, and hilariously, "help tech" is the file you're looking for
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Chop and acid :-) Either that or pigs.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that is the last place I'd have ever expected to find that...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: >>such as asking for cracks or where to find illegal software.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Nobody is doing that.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yes, yes...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: help tech
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but we're close enough that we need to not go there.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's why help search is so awesome.  It thinks of places to look that you didn't.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: This channel (and any other public forum, for that matter) is NOT the place to conduct illegal activity, such as asking for cracks or where to  find illegal software.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Why is x program crashing? Totally irrelevant to the legality of said program.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "such as" doesn't mean "only"
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: such as... a little vague.. but there it is
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: you all should take the debate elsewhere, becaude i am actually trying to get my tech question answered.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: my personal stand is this: eventually, the copyright laws will fail completely. I give them 50 years, tops. Then we can talk about it on aardwolf. but aardwolf probably won't make it another 50 years, so...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Another?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: if you had a virus crashing as it tried to run it'd be clearly against the rules to help them make it not crash. this is actually the same
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: What if I am studying security protocols at uni, and want help?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: that's right, aard has existed before even arpanet.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: copyright is 70 years after the death of the creator
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: aard hasn't made it 50 years.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: prolly just that port granola
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: Isn't it 75?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the existance of enough internet infrastructure hasn't existed for 50 years...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: it's as long as the corps want :P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: thought it was 70?
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: It is a grand total of 0 years as soon as I fire up uTorrent :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Granola: ROMs aren't necessarily known for their legality, either. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: i didnt say anything about how legal it was hehe
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: look, i love ROMs as much as the next guy, but aardwolf is simply not the place to discuss them.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You're better off asking in the Rom forums.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Noctiluca Tech: I think it's just a tech problem with her specific tablet's compatibility
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: here's the deal with all of this. The copyright laws are, slowly, in the process of being proved uninforceable. But aardwolf has to be careful about this kind of thing until all of these laws are gone. We should probably drop this.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: right. its not about my emulator or anything. becusee the rom works fine on the same emulator, different device.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: There are no laws at ALL regarding helping acquisition being illegal.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i don't think they're being proven unenforcable, they're very enforcable. morally correct and fair to the consumer is what they're not shaping up to be
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o, no, we can't actually enforce them.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I can't actually say why because that's breaking policy, but no, they can't be enforced, not really.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sure you can. That's what copyright infringement is for.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: to the majority of the populace they're enforced plenty enough
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Lokathor.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o. those copyright laws...the one sI'm talking about are the sections having to do with piracy, etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They're enforceable. It's a matter of not being able to stop it. But if caught, they can enforce the penalty of the law.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Like speed limits. Those are enforced, but people break them all the time. That is, until you fall into a speed trap and are caught speeding. Then you face the penalty of the law.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i guess...
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Comcast monitors torrent tracking. I know from firsthand experience. 
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: The MPAA and RIAA are steadily losing money - I try and help the process.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: idk. I'm betting on them going away in my lifetime.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Vakieh about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all providers track it, Etz.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: again. that tracking is ineffective.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Mine doesn't :-) Was asked to by various ip owners, told them to stick it.  Yay for Au ISPs
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: yeah but living on an island is its own penalty to your internet powers :<
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: My optical says otherwise :-P My gov is spending ludicrous amounts of other people's money on making sure my piracy and boob access is top notch.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: and poor canada! got called a third world country by a Netflix exec for terribly low caps
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's probably more from the fact they're hogging all the snow.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Interesting thought - The US is on an island, but unlike mighty Australia they were too pisspoor to claim ALL of their island :-P
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Lokathor tapes a picture over Aardwolf, then paints "WoW" on it.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: huh, i assumed there'd be a "wow" social, but not a Warcraft related one
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: but MAN, imperialism and manifest destiny..... yeahhhh...... woo... ... :<
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Wow! Hanslanda sure must want to get to his igloo! Look at that dog sled go!
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Imperialism starts at home, start with Canamex.
T3/r7/2012-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the ansi spec never implemented a vertical absolute option, did it?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Is there any way to change the icon for Aardwolf in zMud? Or rather, the icon for my auto-login. There must be because prior to me reinstalling zMUD, the icon was some kind of round archway (I think) thing, but now it's a computer monitor. I just can't figure out how to.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: just right clock properties and change icon?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: click*
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: No such option.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: I'm talking about the icon that's displayed for Aardwolf/My character inside of zMUD.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Not zMUD's icon.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanmuru Kirua Tech: oh
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: As a hunch yuna, its because when you set it up before you found aardwolf in the directory... and when you did it again you specified ip/host/port instead
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: You're right. It's set up to the IP. So I can only choose between the circle thingie and the screen?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: well, i'm not sure, theres probably a way to change them... but i'm just guessing thats why the change
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: That's... strange... I must've slipped into a mental coma. Properties shows something called "Image file" as an option. I can't believe I missed that somehow.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: my prompt isnt showing.. lol
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: i did prompt all and still nothing.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: new prompt-based trigger set to "omit from output"?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: what should i do?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: well, what did you change before the problem started?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: went home, came back in to work today and no prompt
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: if you just type 'prompt' it will toggle on/off
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: any  at home activities on aardmush wouldnt have an affect on my work regular mush would it?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: well if your home client's plugins automatically adjust your settings for you it could happen
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: it saves setting to character not client?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: correct
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: prompt is a mudside setting
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: interestin
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekto Tech: well thanks for the heads up and  help
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun begins developing the first HD MUD...
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ancient Odysseus Tech: I keep seeing coords everytime I move with much, anyone know how to turn those off?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: coords off
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ancient Odysseus Tech: unknown command
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: tags coords off
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ancient Odysseus Tech: cool, that worked, thanks!
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: tags are awesome.  especially roomobjs and roomchars
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: anyone know of a resource that shows the 256 color names and which xterm code they correspond to?  All I'm finding on search is either just the xNNN and the corresponding rgb or just the colorname (with the list sorted alphabetically).
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Xterm_color_chart.png
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Help xterm has some stuff including color raw256
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: that's where I stole that link
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: unfortunately, no colornames there.  Like I said, I can find stuff that shows the xNNN code and the hex triplet, and I can find stuff that shows "colorname" with the visual picture, but nothing that matches xNNN to colorname.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nao Tech: on s&D plugin, i have a prob with the names of mobs. it s random but plugin change name of mobs with other letter, anyone have that?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Sounds like it's the mob name scrambling bug
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: global quests always have a chance of name obfuscation, and for anyone t3 or higher you also can get obfuscation on cp targets.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: which is not a bug.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Wasn't that r3 or higher?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: nope, no scramble for t0 to t2
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: incorrect.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: How come I get it then?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: plenty of scrambling at t2, at least.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hwuaijijal Tech: yep
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: maybe it's t2 onwards or something
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hmmm, scrambling, mmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: why, o why, o why must we have scrambling--do the rewards scale acordingly?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: think of them as like eggs
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sobeit Tech: easter eggs
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: yeah sometimes you get scrambled rewards, I have 53 qseut piotns
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o wait.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: rewards get scrambled?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: can score actually record that properly?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: No, it's a huge bug and your character might get deleted.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: ahem...That was a joke...
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: You don't get scrambled mobs in your CPs
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not in mine, no.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: though, it does say there's a small chance.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Not for T0s, there's not
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i know that.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: no, you don't get them till tier 3, iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, at least not for my r0...
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the reason we have scrambling is because Lasher doesn't think it right most folk are using Winkle's S&D plugin (or equivalent convenience scripts in other clients) to just point-and-click our way through what he feels should be challenging aspects of Aardwolf.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, uh, that's more a flaw of the game design, I'm afraid to say. Sort of.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dresory Tech: Point and click? I can use a mouse with aard?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: as for scrambling, I can think of at least one slightly trivial way to get around it, provided I have a complete database of mobs.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: I just use the descrambler 2.0 script. I thought everyone knew about that by now.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: by the way, if this scrambling fails at its intended task then WHERE will no longer be an option in these contests.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: an option?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yur still using 2.0? there was an update to 2.1
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: well, if you already have your game knowledge you don't need to waste time using WHERE to figure out where to start walking.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: That's futile Hanslanda since scripts will still be used to find the mobs faster than most humans without where.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: Yeah, it's an image thing. I'm old-skool.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the issue here is, the dynamic has changed.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: in the last 10 years or so, it's become easy to script stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: was easy 10 years ago
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but not in-your-face easy, at least i shouldn't think.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: They way I see it S+D just made available to everyone what the scripters have been doing all along
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I know.  Best thing he could do is to rewrite how mobs reset.  If we cannot pinpoint the rooms they pop in, there's no real way to mobwalk past either the start of the area or at least the edge of the room range within said area where it'll repop.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I mean, mushclient uses lua, etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: the issue here is this: the kind of mud aardwolf is promotes botting and scripts and the like.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all muds are like that.  Players REALLY hate being inconvenienced, period.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: This is a text based rpg, I think it's likely to get a bunch of computer nerds.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: most of us, me included, do the same thing over and over. grab a quest, grab a campaign, solve, solve, repeat. for years.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: has always promoted to me a "have fun, dont whine" mud :P
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'm not going to say that all muds don't ahve botting or something, but that an activity setup like that will lead to it: the methods of advancement are very very mechanical and advancement goes on for basically ever.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: the goal of aardwolf is simple. Tier. Ruin.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Yeah just sit at T5 so you get the best of both worlds
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: or worst
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: no way.. T9 or bust for me!
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: t2 seems to be a big bost from t1 ...
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for me.. T2 gave me a small taste, T0 and T1 seemed =
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}GraySong Gregor Tech: and now nothing will quench your insatiable desire for more and more power
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: yea t1 was a lil better that t0 but i think thats more to do with having aard weapons build up allready
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: seems better o dump into str and get all 6 higher
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: anyone know if i can transfer apps between android devices somehow? cant find the files in my directories, so cant use SD or bluetooth
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: i dont really want to download anything. one of the devices is already tethered but i still cant find the apps in the 'my files' foler
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it's called sideloading
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: sideloading?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: it is so possible it even has a name
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: can i do it with a program thats already installed?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.guidingtech.com/10346/transfer-android-apps-between-phones-bluetooth/
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you do not actually need to use bluetooth
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: i cant open links, but if you can tell me how to do it without installing anything new, then i can give you a tp :)
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: without installing anything new depends entirely on what you already have installed, so no
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm not really in need of tps
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: i have one of the phones rooted
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A bowl of Granola Tech: lol then do it out of the sweet kindness of your heart!
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: newbie -h 30
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: arg
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone know what port number is Voip using?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: anyone know what port number is Voip using?
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tharnin Tech: 5060, I think, but can vary.
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i bet google does
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: google for voip port: 5060-5061
T3/r7/2012-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: does anyone here have the google nexus tablet?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy    <trigger
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy    enabled="y"
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy    match="*[ Your spouse has entered the realm! ]"
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy    sequence="100"
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy    sound="C:\WINDOWS\Media\chimes.wav"
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ozzy   >
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: playsound works better and you can control some settings with it
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: shrug.. just copied from pastebin :P
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i know very little mush
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: i just downloaded a stat checker from the mush site any ideas on how to get  its helpfile?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: well if you open the plugin and read it you'll be able to see what inputs it responds to...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: gdi can't get mush main window to show anything again... this time reloading isn't fixing it... already disabled all non-default plugins
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: shows an echo of my inputs, like always, but doesn't show any outputs
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: What does gdi mean?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: god damnit
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Have you made any custom triggers yourself that might be catching everything accidentally? Regular expressions are a fickle thing
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: no, all i use it for really is SND for CP's, Spellup, and custom exits
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: and you say you've disabled all the non-standard plugins? Strange. I'm afraid beyond "rogue trigger" I have no further suggestions.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how can I get the SW info from a xrt command or 'mapper goto rm#' command?  I've noticed that the mapeper runs are much faster than the in-game runtos.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: SW=speedwalk, sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caerdinn Tech: mapper where rm#
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: oh awesome!  thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: fiendish is a sick genius
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Goddammit Mush...3 processes open, and 1.3 gig RAM.  Again.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I don't even know how or why it is starting these extra processes, I thought Mush was single thread :-(
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I've noticed multiple verisons of MUSHclient.exe *32 running before.  It doesn't close the previous one before opening another.  Seems to only affect Windows 7.  It doesn't happen when I run on Ubuntu via Wine
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Ok, back, 1 process, 49meg RAM
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I have a funny feeling it has to do with me opening a test port world, and then closing it.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Not the RAM, it does that all on its own, just the processes
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: To repeat since I think you were offline:  I've noticed multiple verisons of MUSHclient.exe *32 running before.  It doesn't close the previous one before opening another.  Seems to only affect Windows 7.  It doesn't happen when I run on Ubuntu via Wine
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what are the process names?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: All Mush...the process name is the exe name, and Mush only has the one
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: strnge indeed
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: strange*
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: In any event, I think I made it a week running that time, so it's manageable
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: And really, on a 16gb system it can have 1 gig if it wants to, I suppose
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I close MC at least 2x a day bc I carry my laptop home and work
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: ya, i close mush 2-3 times a day, home, then work, then home
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: glad I'm not the only one  lol
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: any javascript-fluent people in?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: wow :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: does mush have a built in spell cheker? if so how do i activate it
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: anybody?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't know, i know zmud does, but it sucks because it's stuck on american spelling
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: anything is better than OMG SPELL IT RIGHT bla bla bla wet pants
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think you can upload your own dictionary to zMUD's spell checker.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably can, i don't fancy doing it :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you know zmud well enough that you know once you've got it sorta working the way you want, don't FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TOUCH IT OR IT'LL EXPLODE!
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Purrrrific Growltiger is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: topfox: did you by any chance, in MUSHclient go to Help -> Contents, and type "sp"?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: File-->Global Pref-->General Tab--->Spell Checker click box.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: how do i copy things in the main window of mush with the colors?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I think it's hold down shift or ctl and then copy, but I don't use mush.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Again, probably something you can find in the helpfiles of MC.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Ctrl-D, iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Listen at us TT++ users trying to give MC advice *pokes pedwiddle*
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I remember it from someone else answering the same question...:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: can anyone help me figure out a small issue on my new phone
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: what kind off phone?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: i just got the htc one x
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: ah. sorry, no.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I've got an iphone, and it's about the only thing i know--what's the issue?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: maybe it's something simple, heh...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: the touchscreen is a little off, but only for the addon buttons on screen. its fine when not using aard so i dont know if theres a setting i can change through aard/blowtorch
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: aard has a phone client?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: yes blowtorch
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sounds like aard problem, maybe.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: not 100% sure on this, but it's possible (just) that the actual raphics aren't getting drawn perfectly on top of the buttons they represent.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: ill email bkowtorch
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's unlikely, but I'd not blame the phone for one app being off...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: note the maybe, the phone could be off...are the buttons smaller than most other places?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i.e. are most other places large enough buttons that if it's a bit off you'd not notice?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: this phone is pretty large. keys are spaced actually a little far forbmy tiny hands. typing now i dont have an issue. its just the directional keys addon keys like quest ect on the touchscreen
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: how do you trigger with a % in the trigger in mushclient?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: an astrisk might work
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: I want to get a number in front of a %
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: asterisk isn't going to work without postprocessing .. 
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: never mind
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: figured it out
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Anyone fairly competent in Lisp/Scheme who can answer a quick question?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Anyone even vaguely familiar with Lisp/Scheme able to answer a quick question? :p
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: Any ideas why does my mush disconnect when i type who ?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Too much data being sent, try setting pagesize
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I just want to turn '(a b (c d) e) into '(a b c d e)! Surely someone knows how to do this easily!
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: all i remember from scheme is cdraradard
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gnarcyon Tech: oh please god no more scheme
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: That's why you just do (define first car) and (define rest cdr)
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: anyone figured out what resist numbers the different colors of the ascii bar (see RESIST BARS) correspond to?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: well it varies by level...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: but at sh it seems to max at 1000?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I have a graphic for it
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: so the red part of the bar at level 100 represents a tighter range than at SH?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't think it does
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Yeah, it's independent of level
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: scorebars - http://imageshack.us/a/img849/8549/newscorebars.jpg
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Doesn't give the exact numbers, but does give 50 point steps
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Imageshack is so tarded, they don't want to give you that direct link, but all you need to do is view the page source and get it from there.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: thanks.  I can work with that now.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've never had a problem with imageshack providing me links.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Well, it says you need to register, or some such
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't care to do that, so ...
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh. I just use jshot to upload, and it gives me direct imageshack links to share.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: can anyone help with ky New phone and aard? I'm having a small problem
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Although lately, I've changed it to dropbox.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli waits for the first person to say, "Your small problem is you're using your phone."
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: You shouldn't use your phone, man
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: make like the socially-awkward teenage boy and just blurt out your issue.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: I'm a beast on my phone. I just got a New one and I can't figure something out
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: just because your not abkevto use yours doesn't mean vivant use mine
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: epic fail
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't understand what you just said there.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: she said, and I quote..."Just because you aren't able to use yours doesn't mean I can't use mine"
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: like I said. New phone. still trying to work out this ginormous keyboard with my tiny hands
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: thank you Hans
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: so no tech Savoy cell phoners on here?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: we're still waiting to hear what your problem is.  Saying "I got a problem, can anyone help me?" isn't going to get you much response.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: the calibration on my touchscreen is off. but just on aard itself. using the onscreen keyboard works great. but the addon buttons for directional runs or quest req ect arent matching my touch.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: so i was wondering if there was a setting on aard/blowtorch to fix the calibration
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: dunno, I have a blackberry, so I'm stuck with whatever midpssh turned into (it sucks so much I just wait until I get back to the desktop to play).
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: on top of that, I totally refuse to use onscreen keyboards of any type
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: previous i was using an andriod with touchscreen and a qwerty and never had a problem with aard. a lot of people didnt even know i was on a cell. now this htc one x is amazing. but im having a hard time figuring blowtorch out.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: ill try downloading the other client for andriod. maybe that will work better?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what other client?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: blowtorch has 2 apps. this one runs directly to aard. the other is slightly different upon sign in
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: they are the same, underneath the hood.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: blowtorch for aard is still blowtorch, just with some nifty scripting-stuff preconfigured.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: yes. but maybe by chance the touch wont be off? its worth a shot
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: my other option was getting a bluetooth keyboard
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: You could try adjusting the position of your finger on the X and/or Y planes.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MightyChick Tech: ok i qctually installed the blowtorch client and it works better. odd. but successful
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Telechubby Tech: is there a patcher for the MUSHclient? Or do I gotta download the whole client each time a patch comes out from the web site?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: I'm trying to tweek tintin++ to be more VI friendly (or at least me friendly) is there a way to cut out the huge table matrix that comes out when I go room to room?
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: nomap
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: automap
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Or that, I think 'nomap' should work too.
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: nope that didn't do it [ether one]
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Automap works
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That's a u t o m a p 
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Telechubby Tech: yeah, 'automap' works
T3/r7/2012-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: ha it continued for one more room after being toggled but it's gone for as I continue awsome
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: How hard would it be to use a xbox style HDMI game controller for MUSH?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: as in, to set it up
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Somebody has already done it
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ozzy
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: so much more comfortable for long term pupn
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiiuyefA6g0
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: odd, my windows update seems to have frozen, it never did that before lol.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: and my task manager doesn't seem to open
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: got a bug?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: tried with ctrl+shift+esc?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: no i never remember that combo, thanks that worked, already exited the update gunna try that again i guess
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: side note, what should i use to sync stuff on my new samsung galaxy s 3 and my pc?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: was dling samsung kies on device suggestion but looking online doesn't seem like people like it, and it's not installing anyways that seems to have frozen too
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: my guess is some sort of cable.. most likely miniusb :)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn licks Your Daddy DjVoltron.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: yeah, i plugged it in for the first time earlier
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: lol =))
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: and it just didn't install right i guess. some things did but not everything there are red exes on some lines
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: add/remove programs/unistall then reinstal and pay more atention :P
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: well now the install is moving again, for kies anyways
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: or run the installer again and choose repair
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: repair dosent work correct always ozzy :) is far better to remove everything and reinstall it
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: pay attention to what it does it all itself i didn't do anything but click ok
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: oh dear maybe the install did freeze, its one of those stupid progress bars that fills up and then starts again
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: but no % reading or anything of course
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: wait for it to end, kies lasts some mins, dont be impatient
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: its been about an hour?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: depends on your computer
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: mine were 20 mins the last update
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: depends on your computer?i thought internet connection its important for updates :P
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: its not an update its an install. speaking of paying attention.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: well, kies are not very quick installing
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: i'm more asking if there is something else i should look at using, or if kies is a decent option, assuming it works after install
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: mosi, took 20 mins on an i7 2600k
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: i don't know what i7 2600k is either heh
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Andratx Tech: intel i7
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: no opinions, sweet, thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: 60 bucks for a Google Android 9" Tablet PC & Multimedia eReader by Pandigital with Android OS & Barnes & Noble Bookstore, sounds like a good deal, but is it?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ganesha Tech: any lua experts here ?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: any expert usually knows enough to NOT claim being expert. Just ask your question, if anyone knows, they will answer
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the more you know, the more you know you don't know
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ganesha Tech: actually i want to know. How can i send my input to (command line, exectute etc) inside plugin. if used send it send only to world
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ganesha Tech: in mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ganesha Tech: using lua
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you could use Execute() instead of Send() which acts as if the user typed it themselves
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: SetCommand(<string>)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: or what Scurvy said, it's bit unclear what you want to do
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys..anyknow voip is use by what port nmber?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: varies from app to app
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: 5060-61 usually. Someone asked that yesterday I think
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod, varies... (from googling) H.323 uses 1719 and 1720 for signalling, dynamic ports for media. SIP tends to use 5060 for signalling, dynamic again for media.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: but it does vary from program to program, best to find out what your particular case is
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: side note - neither of the solutions require LUA, much less LUA expert. It's the same in all scripting languages supported by mush
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seductress Reina Tech: hi guys..anyknow voip is use by what port nmber?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: le what?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrokenBot Covenant Tech: how to increase buffer limit size in Mush guys?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: alt+5 change the number in number of lines in output buffer
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrokenBot Covenant Tech: i have it maxxed
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: aardclient has it set to 9999
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: won't help you with disconnects on note list
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I'd try pagesize command, maybe that could
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BrokenBot Covenant Tech: but howso? it keeps disconnecting me with board ideas , note list
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: your buffer is half a million lines and isn't big enough?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: try scroll 100 or something
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Darkwing Duckbat Tech: use note list 50
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I just tried it, output of "note list" is paged if you set pagesize
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: did i miss part of this convo?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: anybody realy smart on that uses mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I am at least one of those things
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: I'm kinda smart, just not when it comes to mush. :P Will try to help ya though.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: no, we are all dumb here
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: i just want to know how to get my spell checker on using mush
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: never worried about a spell checker. sorry.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Didn't people answer you about that earlier?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I check my own spells... mobs dying, spells ok :)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: Sorry, I just use the spellchecker in my brain
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: nobody could help
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: 2 people gave you the answer
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: not that i saw
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Abelinc said look it up in the mushclient help contents and someone else gave you the exact instructions, something like general-->global preferences-->spellcheck (though I'm not on mush so I can't confirm that works)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: File > Global Preferences > General > Spell Check
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ixle gallantly tips his hat to Scurvy.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: THANKS lol i found it thats why the smart people hang out here lol
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: If you ask a question make sure you stick around to listen for an answer next time.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Topfox Tech: wil do
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: After you have something in your input box, hit CTRL-J to run the spell checker
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't suppose by any miracle of chance anyone here uses OpenLayers?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Your Daddy DjVoltron Tech: only in the bedroom.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i hate css so much some days, it's soo .... obnoxious
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Purrrrific Growltiger comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: there, it won't display unless the div it's going into has a height explicitly declared
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and they wonder why people have to fudge stuff with javascript all the time instead of using standards complient method
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: if you don't give it any contents, it has zero height. That's not a rocket science. I have encountered much worse misfeatures of CSS
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it has a min-height attribute set
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it ought to key off that in the event of no height
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: min-height works for me on empty div
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it works on the div, but not for OpenLayers
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the work around is to explicity set the height property based on the rendered height immediately before initialising the map
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lecithin Tech: in Zmud, for an if statement, what is the proper syntax to see if a class/folder is enabled?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: #if (%class("classname") = 1)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: never heard about OpenLayers before, but since it's a javascript library, your problem seems to not be with CSS but with said library
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nogs
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i can blame css for the crazy padding model though
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: I can agree with that
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is there an ASCII text editor that can do colored backgrounds and text similar to MUD output?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: vi
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Hmm.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: WHAT ABOUT EMACS???
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: emacs is too bloated for an operating system
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cizra recently switched from Vim to Emacs. My, that was a hard thing to do! I'm happier now with Emacs, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yeah, I mean 8Mb and constantly swapping
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hard to find a computer that cope with the sort of memory requirements
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not what i meant :P
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Right now, my Emacs (with several files open) consumes 38MB resident memory. Compare that to Eclipse or something.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: So vi can do colored text, huh?  I'll have to look into that.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: VI in what sense?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: The text editor?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: vi cannot, vim can
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: The reason I switched to Emacs is that it has MUCH better integration with Haskell, Agda, Coq (mainly Coq) than anything else.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: What is Agda?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: vi the text editor.  I figure if you're blind, colored text isn't going to do much for you.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I thought it would have been read in different tones, or something :P
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Urgh.  From the vim install license window: Vim is Charityware.  You can use and copy it as much as you like, but you are encouraged to make a donation for needy children in Uganda.  
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: If I'm going to make a donation, I'll donate to needy children in MY OWN country TYVM!
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: it's completely optional.  get over it.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: then use xemacs 
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: xemacs is outdated, I think? The ol' regular emacs works fine in X.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Trurien, Agda is a programming language with dependent types, or a proof system, depends on which way you look at it.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Don't you mean Ada?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: No, I mean Agda. Ada is something out of the trash heap of history, Agda is current.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok. I know some people that code in Ada, but they work with military systems, so they're probably behind. Heck, people still code in cobol too.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: How do I get the href attribute from an anchor I'm hovering over in jQuery?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I tried this.attr('href'), but it doesn't seem to work.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: $(this).attr('href') ?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I meant that. Didn't work.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Let me check again, once these golems die.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: are you sure that 'this' holds the correct element ?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Ymerd person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Ymerd person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I am not. But if I 'console.log(this)' I get <a href="url">text</a>.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: That seems correct to me.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: it is
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ymerd Tech: $(this).attr('href') not this.attr('href')
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: OK, it looks different. I think I forgot the $('this') and used this.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: I thought I used it, but must have left it out.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: ...
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Thanks, silly me.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn nods at Sit like a Trurien.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: isn't that what I said a few minutes ago? :)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Yes, I thought I covered that, but it turns out I didn't.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Now I can use the URL to load a preview ... fun times.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: don't really use jQuery much... good works wonders though
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what are the options these days for a passive cooled gfx card?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nvidia 650gtx?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nvidia 650gtx?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Damn, vim is complicated.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Who knew a text editor could be so involved?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Mendaloth tells Starling that she should learn emacs.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Huan Tech: it's a powerfull tool, so it requires some learning curve
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hwuaijijal Tech: is there a plugin or a way to freeze the text scrolling when the mouse cursor is on a link? in mush.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I solve it by scrolling one line up (in the main window)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: does the scrolling stop momentarily when starting a left-click-hold mouse-copy highlight
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hwuaijijal Tech: mhmh. there is even a pause function. sorry for dumbspam
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anyone reccommend a freebie prog for converting video files to mpg or mp2 for use in movie maker?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: does that conversion result in low-quality video-images
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zela Tech: vi == video-impaired
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for anyone who can read zscript... here is the basics of my xbox controller support script... auto targeting on walkin... http://pastebin.com/QARxBBeg
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: is anyone on I could tell a few questions to about tintin++?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Don't you mean ask? =p
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: I had quite the internal debate on the wording
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: I'm working on tweeking a VI setup, can anyone tell me if there is a way to change the colors on the mini map?  I tried colorset, but that didn't seem to effect it?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: only way to do that is to match on and replace the ansi codes before you display them.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: gotcha, then change them 1 by 1 as needed I'll give it a shoot
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Anyone know of an ansi to html color code converter written in Lua? I found one in Perl, but that doesn't help me.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: Volos, that's going to be quite lag-heavy.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: Well I'm rehabing my reading and typing skills so I'm lag heavy 
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: but if there's a better plan let me know, I can't see what my nurse says is purple
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: why not just write your own, Etz?  If you can already isolate the ansi code, it's very simple
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Same reason I prefer not to re-invent the wheel, but instead make it better. If there's one already out there, it cuts my work time by quite a bit. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: all you have to look for are the numbers 30-37 or 40-47 immediately prior to the letter m.  Step 2 is to check for "1;" (this indicates brightness) and "0;" if you want to be complete.  For xterm, you have "38;5;N" and "48;5;N" (N = 0-255) and don't need to worry about the bright bit.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's a shame CMUD doesn't process the xterm colors as ansi, though. :(
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it does
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Does it? I haven't seen it, script debugger doesn't show all ansi for xterm when using color 256.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: there is no 256.  It's a 0-based list, so the 256 colors are numbered 0 to 255.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: color 256 is a command. I wasn't talking about the color 256.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I was saying that script debugger does not show the ansi escape codes for all 256 colors when using color 256.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But if it did, it'd make things a lot easier. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: hmm, I'll have to check that out, I guess.  But xterm is very obviously processed in CMud.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if it weren't, you wouldn't see the xterm colorization shown in COLOR 256 or COLOR RAW256.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I know that.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But for instance, copying line 19 of color 256, and pasting into a new trigger with "ansi" marked: Color  19 Test   %e[34mSame color in ANSI%e[0m
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No ansi color code for Color 19 because it doesn't match anything, according to CMUD.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the ansi code is there, the color capture feature probably just wasn't updated to recognize them.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's basically back to the ZMud days, as far as xterm color-capture goes.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: FYI I'm handling the color change on my side with very little lag (at least it doesn't botther me)
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: --on the minimap sorry
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: interesting.  In CMud, I wrote my own version of %ansi() that adds cursor control, xterm support and better supports the SGR sequence (the part that handles text format).  If I concatenate a format string and assign the format result to a local variable, it displays properly when I send it to a window.  However, if I do #window Stats {nsi(...)$localvar} then the background coloring doesn't display.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm quite interested in your version of ansi. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I'll put it up in a few days, still whacking the bugs out of it and figuring out why some configurations (resulting in the same exact concatenation result) work and some don't.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Can anybody tell me why NVDA is reading coordinates when I move even though I have automap off?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Do you have tags coords on?
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Oh, thanks.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Never had it on before. Don't know why it started showing them now.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aardwolf MUSH turns them on.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Don't know if that's your case, but it's happened to me.
T3/r7/2012-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Music man Darsalla Tech: Guess so. I just coppied the folder off of an external on to my new comp.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: So apparently program files in windows 7 is read-only by default?  Why would that be?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: A protection thing to keep you from mucking up your Windows.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: That's tarded
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: just put games in a "games" folder :)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm trying to modify this vim config file.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I have no idea how to unset read-only on this folder.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I try doing it via folder properties, the change doesn't stick.  It's still flagged read-only.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Am I missing something, or ... ?  Changing file/folder permissions used to be simple, did they change that?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: Are you logged in as an admin?  I have no idea, just a thought...
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: try running explorer from an elevated command prompt maybe. right click cmd, run as administrator, then explorer . to open windows explorer, then try to do whatever you're doing
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's my personal machine, yes, I'm logged in as admin
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I don't know why MS would make it behave this way, it's kind of a fscking retarded thing to do.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I mean, I know most computer users are idiots, but still....
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: it's a lot like su on linux. you're not admin even if you're in administrators unless you explicitly do things
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: you can get around it probably lots of ways. turn off uac altogether, install to a nonstand programs directory, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah easiest way is to install in another folder
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Could get a cmd prompt elevated to system, I believe.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: that's what i would try, i put instructions a few above for that
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: The AT command
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: ?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: i would just right click -> run as administrator
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: if his logged in user is in administrators
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: That would not run as SYSTEM though.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I just set vim to always run as admin, now it can modify its own files even if read-only is set
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Kind of a complicated program, I want to be able to do colored text similar to mud output
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: So your problem is fixed?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: In this instance, would like to take read-only off program files entirely though, because I'm not going to do anything dumb to break my computer.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: there is a way... involves regedit i think (other than gimping uac)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sit like a Trurien Tech: Anyone made mods to FIFA 13 yet? :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: using mushclient, is there a way to alias getting something out of a bag and wearing it using a single alias?  like get amulet 3.bag and wear amulet
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: yeah, use ; in the alias and it should separate it into more than one line
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: yeah did that, but it seems it only gets it out of the bag, i wonder if the first command is too long?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: nope
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Put them into separate lines in the edit box
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: don't use 
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: do what cizra said
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: You should really be using uid #s for bags...#.bag is not going to be the same if you die/reget
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: Aaaaand make sure you use object ID of the bag, not "3.bag".
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: ok
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: That works for the portals/gear as well, uid negates keyword shenanigans
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And not just for bags, same applies for portals, weapons etc.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: how again does an alias use a variable? isn't it ${varname} or something like that?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: @variable
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: expand variables to use that iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: bah need sleep meant you have to check expand variables to use ariables iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nocturnus Tech: oh and thanks Lok, Ciz, Rand, Vak and Ranrr for taking the time to answer, appreciate it
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: need method to self-induce sleep other than blunt force impact or drugs, anyone got one?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: asphyxiation?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Meditation.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Decrease the air pressure in your surroundings.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: or really, avoid caffeine, take a hot bath and turn off all your lcd screens and such about 2-3 hours before you intend to sleep.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Runtur Vanion Tech: a cup of warm milk :p
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: blue light from LCDs is supposed to mess with sleep patterns.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: light levels generally do
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: there's a program you can get that'll color shift your monitor into the reddish brown range at night
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: f.lux
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: I installed f.lux about a fortnight ago now, took a couple days to get used to it, now love it
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nod tiger, but blue specifically is supposed to do something i think its melatonin production it affects?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: http://stereopsis.com/flux/ install it everywhere
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vakieh Tech: Blue light simulates the sun, red light indicates sunset and firelight
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: i meant actual physiological effects though
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: blue light tricks your brain into thinking it's daytime, so f.lux stops the blue light from your monitor when it is dark outside
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: heh my body is a contrarian i've been nocturnal for years i get a en
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: for mush
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: if I want something simple, like 5 aliases added
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: should they be in a plugin by their own
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: or it's better to be put in a plugin called misc or something
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: resource-wise
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i'm working on adding trigger support for a web-based client, do you find yourself using regex triggers more or pattern matching triggers more
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: does Mush have a %yesno type function?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: zmud... {(*) (%w) is here!$} {#IF %yesno( "Kill your target?") {k @hunted}
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: http://www.gammon.com.au/scripts/doc.php?lua=utils.msgbox
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nice... print (utils.msgbox ("Go ahead?", "Question", "yesno", "?")) --> yes / no
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: any idea if it defaults to yes on enter?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and no on esc?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: read the documentation :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i don't know about esc, but you can set the default button for enter
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: did.. didnt say?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ion esc at least :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i clicked over to aard after just waking up, and upon seeing a terminal-like input my initial initinct was "apt-get update"
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: wish it were easier to test stuff on command line... #IF %yesno(Go Ahead?) {#show yes} {#show no}
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can, with the scripting prefix
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's /// by default in aardmush, iirc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: so just enter... ///print (utils.msgbox ("Go ahead?", "Question", "yesno", "?"))
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: right
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ohh.. thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: bah... don't work offline
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: thought it did.. but was offering to connect to Aard :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that's what "bid 387" is for :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: so no strong prefs of regex vs non-regex patterns?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i personally only use regex(in zmud) when it makes it easier
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: always regex 5eva
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like {79}~
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: how much does zmud supprot in the way of non-regex patterns other than * wilcards?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: beats ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: standard perl regex?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's a full pattern matching language
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ^**%s%d%s%d%s--%s(*)%s$ --> ^\*.*\s+\d+\s+\d+\s+--\s+(.*)\s+$
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's all regex behind the scenes anyway though, just easier to use for non-techy people
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ^~**%s%d%s%d%s--%s(*)%s$ --> ^\*.*\s+\d+\s+\d+\s+--\s+(.*)\s+$
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: had a convert button for simple ones
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i don't see how the 1st is "non-techie" over the 2nd example :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: bascially iw as thinking i'd just ask users for some sample text and tell them to put * in for wildcards and then convert it to regex
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and i was wondering if there were other kinds of matches folks were commonly doing for single/multiple chars, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's just simpler :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: w d s ? ... word number whitespace single
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: for my one example.. 24 keystrokes versus 31.. not simpler :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: well.. simpler as in easier to type out
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: are ? and s both just single character?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: and ... a substitute for *?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: and those 2 match the same thing in zmud...
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: {79}~ is esier in regex
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ? is . in regex, * is .* in regex
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: %s is \s+, %d is \d+, %w is \w+
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod.. just answering Ronus
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: honestly seems like matching ? for non-reg-ex users is asking for trouble
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: buy? --> buy|buys
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: it supports that in non-reg-ex pattern-matching?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: nod
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: zmud
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ? is 0 or 1
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, that's right, it will match nothing
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i was wrong before :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: Triggers: 2672 Aliases: 509 Variables: 794 Paths: 0 Macros: 51 Class Folders: 552 Mapped Zones: 290 with 31794 rooms. Menus: 9 Tabwords: 82 Status Windows: 6 Directions: 10 Buttons: 18
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like 10 of those are regex
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: is there a big old list of aardwolf triggers available?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i very lazily googled but then was lazy
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ronus Tech: i browsed the src tree for msuhclient and didnt' see them right off
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: the visual mapper actually updates exits
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: that would be cool to have on the wiki... the regex under example mud output lines
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: like on http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Main/MudMessages
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lokathor Tech: i mostly only have triggers for things i'd highlight, but here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11833524/triggerTargets.txt
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: oh Myrkul... i use ? for places where i would have to escape stuff as well... ^--? TICK ?--  instead of ^--~> TICK ~<--
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: less typing :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: heh
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: command line scripting in aardmush... ///print (utils.msgbox ("Go ahead?", "Question", "yesno", "?"))  ... doesnt work, tried diff #'s of /, is there something i need to enable?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: the scripting prefix... i thought it was on by default in aardmush...
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: game->Configure->Scripting. See if the scripting prefix is also ///
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: it's on.. is set to \\\
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: ah, my bad
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: thought it was ///
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: then either change it or change your line. Both need to match
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cizra Tech: For me, it's \\\. It's configurable.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: whee.. works offline.. and no, ESC doesn't get rid of it
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ALT-n is close, but cumbersome
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: i do like all that utils.msgbox offers over zmuds %yesno though :)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ahh... okcancel allows ESC
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: yesnocancel is even better :)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish yawns.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'd love, love, love to know why firefodx and jaws don't get along despite official support.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: official support from jaws or from firefox?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: from jawws.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: newest version of firefox?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: er. jaws. tbh, I dislike freedom scientific, these days, but yeah...
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: yeah. I've got automatic updates.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that could be the problem
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's not firefox's fault, that's the problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: JAWS may not be able to keep up with some latest update in firefox
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: nvda works fine--if I had time and nvda was a bit less chatty when on the internet, I'd use it.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suppose you could try an older firefox version
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, here's the secret. jaws doens't actually support iaccessible.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: not sure what iaccessible is
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it supports, specifically,. firefox. which is stupid.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, iaccessible and iaccessible2 is what firefox and a few other thigns use, it's not common. but there's no official support for it. api to expose accessibility information.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: ah
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: jaws also doesn't support xwindow, qt, gtk, the list goes on, and it's really rediculous.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: but firefox crashes about once every 2 hours. and the jaws tech support people know less about their product than I do, half the time, and can never actually reproduce my issue.s
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: firefox shouldn't crash like that
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's not firefox, it's jaw.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I see. jaws has a plugin or something?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: er. jaws. firefox crashes only with jaws. jaws is doing something to firefox that fireffox doesn't like.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: no, jaws...does...other things.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: jaws works by actually hooking into the application through apis that I barely understand, and it is actually possible for jaws to crash stuff. If you're not careful, you can lock the application you're trying to query for accessibility info.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: you can also lock the entire computer, because screen readers hook the keyboard at a really low level; the worst problem with firefox, happens maybe once every three or 4 days, is when firefox and jaws lock each other and jaws stops passing the keyboard through it's hooking mechanisms.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: it's a bit like this: keyboard->os->jaws->back to os->on to application.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: so when thing sgo wrong with jaws, and jaws locks, the keyboard gets stopped at the jaws step which is before, for example, processing of the enter key to activate something or the windows key to bring up the start menu.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sorry, i'm mildly irritated. Bret you can't tell.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: some people say that disabling hardware acceleration in firefox gets jaws to work better
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: have you tried that yet?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://tinyurl.com/9y79ahg
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o. heh. I missed that bit.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i blelieve it's already off.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: i'm fairly proficient with the settings panels, I'll have to check. I know where the checkbox is.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: wow, lame college internet.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you go to Lame College too?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: well, I think, they distribute it based on who is using it.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: there's a football game giong on right now, so a lot of people are probably trying to use, say, the fau site, and I think it's just a few really high-capacity links off-campus.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's the university: florida atlantic.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, internal bandwidth can go at switch & server speed, whereas external traffic is limited by ISP connection speed, so as long as the FAU site is internally run rather than hosted by someone else, it shouldn't impact much
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Riagon?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ya i had to turn on the channel
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: can you describe what you were doing before this happened?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: was going to get some potions and clicked on the map to run to the shop and it said that to me
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: what was the last mapper command you used before that?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if you can remember
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: i got another problem too i found out just now when i click on the scroll up arrow on my chat window it tosses out a plugin error as well
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: show me the error
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: i typed in run 10n
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: please send it to me in a note on personal
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: Run-time error
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: cant copy and paste that plugin error on here
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: why not?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ok
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or you can send it to me in an email
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: if a note doesn't work for you
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ill send you email
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: i sent it to you fiendish
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: the first thing I notice is "Timers not enabled"
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: did you disable timers?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: not sure 
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: where would i check to make sure on the game itself or on the client
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one sec
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: press Shift+Control+0 <- that's a zero   and then make sure the box is checked for enable timers
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ok my scroll is working now but my map isnt still it says im speedwalking
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: test
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the post worked :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well I'm not sure what happens if you have timers disabled (or how you disabled them)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: let me experiment a bit
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: in the meantime you can reload your mapper plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ok 
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: hang on, the timers disabled checkbox, I think i know where that is.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: go to game->configuration->timers.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I know how to disable them
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't know how RIAGON disabled them
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: that's what I'm getting at here.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: we've already been over how to reenable them
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: o.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: sorry, missed that bit.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: ok i reloaded my plugins now its working im not speed walking but it baffles me as to how it just all of a sudden started saying that
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: well it sounds to me like you disabled an integral component of the scripting subsystem
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: beats me sorry i bothered you all about this but i do appreciate the help from you all
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: anyway, Riagon, thanks for the report. The next release will have something in the plugin to try to handle this scenario
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Riagon Tech: your welcome and thanks for the help
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I'm curious. what can you do to detect disabled things in mushclient?  I mean, where would you put such a check? I imagine making the actual check is easy, but it seems to me that no matter where you put it someone will still be able to disable it.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: I guess you could put it in onlinerecieved, which i'm probably misspelling, but...idk.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: for timers I could put the check directly into the wait.lua file
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: or into whatever calls it
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Camlorn Tech: That's a good question, actually. might post on the mushclient forums if you've got an account: I imagine being able to make sure you have all required plugins and that people aren't turning things off that you need might be worth implementing in the core client. but for all I know it already is.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is there a way to force my capslock key to be interpreted as hardware capslock?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm playing a game that requires me to press capslock to fly my aircraft via remote control, on an old mechanical/hardware keyboard this wasn't a problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: But the capslock on my laptop appears to be software controlled; dosbox doesn't recognize it.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: hm
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: guh, so no way to bypass this lame assed software capslock?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: You want to disable it?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: Oh never mind, didn't chech -h
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: tech -h starling, see my questions
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: It's irritating that this game chose capslock, of all the stupid keys available, for such an important function.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: They couldn't choose grave accent/tilde, or some similar useless but non-stupid key?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: You can use AutoHotKey to reassign keys, but I don't exactly understand the question :\
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No way to remap it in the game?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Dosbox can remap keys
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: BUT, dosbox doesn't recognize that capslock is even being pressed.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The computer, i.e. windows, the system, recognizes that capslock is being pressed, but Dosbox doesn't.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I'm pretty sure it isn't even windows that's the problem, it's this Lenovo software that is running on the computer
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Honestly, capslock should have been deprecated the moment the electronic microcomputer was invented, but alas.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can get rid of said lenovo software
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}BobTheGreat Tech: That may just be a problem with Dosbox, it's keys are weird
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: The software does other things that I do like, Fiendish, therein lies another problem.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I actually managed to get the capslock function mapped to another key in dosbox at one point, but the change didn't stick for some reason, even though I saved the mapper file.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I want to remote control my plane so I can land on this suspended platform, detonate the mindbender orb with a bomb, then jump off the platform.  Then remote-control fly my plane into myself so that I wind up back in the cockpit.  And from there, land and complete the mission.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns blinks innocently at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Anyone have the pattern for when the qtimer is done?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: wat
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elchanan Tech: QUEST: You may now quest again.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Thank you. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: that's just for completion.  Different messages for quitting and timeout.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: and then if you have GMCP there's all that.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Blowtorch, lol.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: The only not-pants-on-head-crazy way to interpret that question would be that you're trying to ask for the pattern as to how much time you are given to complete the quest? I believe that is random.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Otherwise, the answer is "you can quest every 30 real time minutes"
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: timeouts (or was it q fails?) only make you wait 15.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: That is a true fact. The best kind of fact.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: timeout is 30, q fail is 15
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: o rly? I thought timeout was 15 as well... My bad.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: yeah timeouts suck
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: Yes. The one and only timeout I've ever had was when I killed the target and just forgot to go q complete. The worst.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: did you wind up all the way back at questor, too?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dwight K. Schrute Tech: I had passed questor upwards of 15 times, as I was busy doing a CP. It was the worst feeling Aard has ever made me feel.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: For Bast's Double Miniwin plugin:  Does youe plugin pop up when double is running?  Mine does not.  I have the broadcast plugin running as well
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Is there any way to completely terminate the windows update notification?  I.e. not just postpone it?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I tried killing it via task manager, didn't work.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: google disable windows update notifications
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: reboot :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I want to take my 36" pipe wrench to the face of whoever designed this crap.  Between read-only program files and persistent nagging update windows, ugh.  What is their freakin' problem?
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: yeah, screw security. no one has ever criticized windows for having poor security, silly of them to address that
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rurouni Kinjin Tech: they did it just to piss you off starling
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn snickers with Dubthach about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RightOn Rithlin Tech: blame the hackers :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: Dubthach, I get that most windows users are tarded, but good lord.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you can just disable the nagging and then not be upset
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: it's not about windows users being tarded, it's about following security best practices
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://lifehacker.com/183976/get-rid-of-windows-update-restart-nag?tag=softwaretop
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scryn Tech: if that were true.. we would use passphrases instead of passwords 
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: you are criticising the OS while simultaneously making terrible decisions about your pc
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: Uh...you can use passphrases in Windows. I do.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}RikiTiki Takihisis Tech: I find it amusing that you're calling "window users tarded" yet you're asking yourself how to turn off one of the most commonly used features *wry grin*
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: I just use Linux so I don't have to deal with it..:-P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scryn is agreeing with that Pedwiddle person again...
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: no linux guy would be like "hey yeah, um, just don't patch it ever" which is what turning off windows updates does
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you don't have to diable updates. you can leave updating on while disabling the hourly nag
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dubthach Tech: that is not what starling said he wanted to do
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: you are wrong
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: idk there are still people who don't like to update grub
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: that's because grub has stupid bugs like choking on update every time you get a new kernel version if you don't use initrd and boot directly from an ext4 partition
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: you're still using 0.9 aren
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: aren't you
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: also saying that using linux is some sort of magical panacea for update notifications is absurd. My laptop gives more update notifications than a coked up 4 year old.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: amen to that
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've never received a single update notification from a coked up 4 year old :(
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I just say "yes" and let it update because it reboots in 5 seconds.
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: to stop the auto-reboot in windows use 'net stop wuauserv'
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Volos Tech: maybe you don't give your 4-year old good enough coke. try asking at your local 2600 meeting and ask the guy who says he doesn't sleep
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though I suppose if I trusted uptrack farther than I could throw my friends, I'd use that and then never reboot except when it breaks my shit entirely
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, 2600 meeting is in a philly subway station...while I'm sure I could get the coke at that meeting, I think I'll pass :P
T3/r7/2012-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: though every time I try it out something horrible happens and I hate making formal bug reports to acquaintances
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: each item has a unique ID?  So if I have an item, drop it, buy another, it has a new ID?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: correct
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: interesting...
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: np. It was an amazing change, imo =p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: addition? I suppose
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: do the numbers ever recycle?  Like Lasher can sca to see what didn't survive a reboot and reset the count?  idk
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Daikojun... that I'm not sure of. I'd assume no - but thats just a wag on my part
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: plenty of numbers to go around... when you think you are running out, just add 1 and you get a whole fresh new number
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: true
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: anyone knows how to restore from backup database for winklewinkle maps?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Doink Tech: Winkle isnt the mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I thought winklle just made use of Fiendish's map plugin
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: hmm, but it is making a backup for maps i think?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: maps makes it own backups, in the db_backups folder
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: just replace Aardwolf.db with one of the backup .db.* files in there to restore that backup
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: ok, great, thx
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the files are named so it's easy to know which is the most recent, make sure you can see file extensions
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: what box i have to tick if i want to keep previous typed command on command line in mush?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: just press the up arrow
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: but if i don't want to do it :p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you could make an alias that catches everything, sends it to the mud, then repopulates the command box..
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why do that when there's an autoclear box to tick?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: there was a place like that in menu, at least i had it before i deleted mush
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: ok, found it, under command tab
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: ah whoops. "auto-repeat command" is in the world settings, could be it
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: nods, thx guys
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Although you can use ! to repeat the last command you entered.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Just a shortcut, anyway.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jeejee Tech: one more question about the variable, can i use it to rename some item, for example i have a aardbag, i want to use it for portals, i make a variable with the bag id and "rename" it to portal bag?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Dragon RandAlthor Tech: thought ! repeated last thing sent to world so could repeat stuff from trigger or scripts
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, that'd be a command "you" entered. ;)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You might be able to do that, Jeejee. I know that I have oninput triggers in CMUD so that I can rename anything I like, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't know what it would be like in MUSH, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But for me, I can type "get item bag_1" and it'll send "get item 1049120"
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Westclox Tech: what is the command on mush to change the start of an area map?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Is it listed under mapper help ?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Westclox Tech: not that i saw
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sorry I can't be of more help.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: don't think the mapper knows the first room... but if you're using winkle's etender plugin it's xset mark
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I have not had much luck with answering questions lately, however, I think any "run to area name" function would be a plugin rather than the default aardclient mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Westclox Tech: ahh there you go, sorry for the confusion :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: anyone know how to get into the basement in Hotel orlando, ive gotta be missing something
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Missing the right channel to ask such a thing maybe =p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: newbie channel pointed me to tech channel
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: uhhhhhhhhhh. What?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: now idea why, but im new so what do i know  :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kalazzar declares the academy a waste of time, then asks how the hell do you play this mud anyway?!
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: actually, im goin throught the academy now. no reason to be rude. sorry for asking
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: 13 levels, 9 hours, 0 quests, 0 campaigns, 0 qp -- the character is a write-off already -- recreate, start again fresh, do things right
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xyliz Tech: unless playing as a masochist, then continue as is
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: xy.. harsh =x
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm pretty sure the newbie channel did not direct you to tech channel.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If anything, they directed you to question/answer channel.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And don't mind Xyliz. He just thinks he knows the proper way to play Aardwolf, which is why no one listens to him.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Well, I never said he was wrong.. just.... harsh =p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: Yes, you are right. I say a post for another play. Sorry for disturbing this channel
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalazzar Tech: Saw
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No worries. Tech is for technical stuff, newbie for newbie questions, question/answer for, well, questions and answers, etc. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I mean, not like you can't recover from whatever at anyrate
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If you type 'channels', you'll see what channels you can access and what they're used for.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: its any differcene when you want to catch a meele hit then spell hit? on message?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MosiFoca Tech: like..catching Your * works for both...
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: okay, I've looked and I cant find the command for changing which channel (or no channel) that Bast's plugin reports level (and pups).  help?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: anyone have a suggestion for a windows movie editor? the one im currently uses makes my aardwolf videos un-readable
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: is it the editor or you tube?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Is there a way to use (%w) and %1 in Blowtorch?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: yes
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: $1, $2, etc. to match the captured groups
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: No ()?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: in the regex, yes.  That's what captures it
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: not in the response
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: see the bottom of http://bt.happygoatstudios.com/?view=triggers for an example
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: nod leinei
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: thank you. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: so weird,... alt-Tab is bring the focus back to mush, but its still behind firefox (or whatever else is open).  so strage.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: looks like you have an "always on top" setting active
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: hmm... not sure how I did that.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: no, more like an "always on bottom" thing, everthign else pops up over anythign else.  its just mush.  i prolly just close/reopen mush
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Siren Cera Tech: repoening much fixed whatever it was.  :p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: how wide is the main window in aardwolf?  Whhat is the standard width?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: some things wrap at 79/80 characters
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: there is no standard width
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: check 'ruler'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ruler.  that's cool.  thanks guys
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: Anyone know how long idle timeout is?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: 20-30 min I think.  I have a trigger to keep me on
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: 30 mins
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Myrdoch Tech: yeah, I wanna make a timer. A trigger works. "Your eyes glaze over," right?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanali Celanil Tech: pretty sure it's 35, actually
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: unless you're dealing with a disco connection.  I dunno if Mush works differently in that regard, but sometimes ZMud/CMud won't know that you lost connection until it actually tries to send stuff.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in that case, you just wouldn't get any messaging.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: yep, and send: 'Send("")' to Script is what I have
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: I asked this in newbie, and they said maybe bring it here. I'm using Mudlet on Linux, and everytime I visit a new room the client spams what looks like a mapping array at me before going to the room.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: lots of colors and symbols like ! and #?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: are you using MAG?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: no, no, like numbers... like an array
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: check your tags
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: not sure, don't know what MAG is.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, does it start {stats}0,123,6,32,45?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MAG is a set of aard-specific scripts for Mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which does things like capturing the automap into its own window, etc
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: I ran tintin++ on my linux install for a while but I've been putting a lot of time into my aardmush mapper db
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: it starts "table {} size=0 creating new room then table { (then a long list of arrays like 0: 1
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Atoam suggested rolling back to the last stable release
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, you've got some script that's doing a mapper database...dunno that that ever made it out of beta for mudlet
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: yeah, I used the latest release in the repo.. maybe try rolling back one.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Was going to ask if it looked like the room GMCP data or such: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: there's always mushclient if you don't object to installing Wine
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: Never use that client.  Was just about to say that fiendish :P
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Mendaloth: sounds like it's something internal and not sent by the mud
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: sudo apt-get install wine
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: ?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: I'll try a rollback on the mudlet version first, if that doesn't work I'll wine mushclient
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Johns: on a debian apt-based system, yes
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: it is, it's ubuntu
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: but you're likely to get a really old version if you do that without adding the Wine HQ PPA
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Daikojun enthusiastically high-fives Bernindorf!
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns thanks The Jerk Fiendish heartily.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I suggest http://www.winehq.org/
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: I've already added the wine repo and got the latest wine, so should be pretty easy to install mushclient, just rather try native solutions first.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: The Jerk Fiendish nods at Bernindorf.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: anyway, thanks for your help. I'll try a rollback
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: a lot of good work had gone into aardmush
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't disagree in principle with wanting a native solution, but MUSHclient just has a lot more support around here because of me.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: and I'm willing to bet I'll probably end up with mushclient.. it's more familiar on most muds. I also play dartmud at times.. and alota triggers that need to be setup, and its easier on mush.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: It just works soo seamlessly here.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: except for all the seams showing  :P
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Seams showing are generally the cause of someone else's ripping.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mendaloth Tech: I like my memory leaky personally!
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bernindorf Tech: lol, ok well I gotta log for a bit anyhow. Leaving channel, thanks all.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: stress points.  So much in aardmush  XD
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: is there anyone here who can help me with tmux?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tell us what help you need, not just "help"...nobody can help with "help"
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: okay. i guess i'll start with the first error. 
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: i'm trying to run the tmuxit script from aardwolf+tintin
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: and
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you tried seeing if tmux will fine by itself on your system?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: i get tmux unknown option -- x
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: will run fine*
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: i admit to not even knowing what the line should accomplish. 
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: If I had to make a guess, I'd say it was establishing window size
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: At least, that's what the tmuxit script suggests
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: So, man tmux and see if you can find what parameter you should use instaead
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedwiddle Tech: instead*
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: figured it out. my tmux  isn't up to date.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Halicka Tech: i hope that's it, at least. 
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: what program do people use to make aard maps?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They draw it out by hand.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: what kind of maps?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lots of them say what program they used in the bottom corner
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ozzy Tech: ooo calc
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: AreaMapper is one
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: like picture maps, or database-driven ones?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: like the maps on the wiki
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: Pencil on graph paper really is more satisfying.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Alhena has a mapper program, though.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: http://mud.alhena.org/mapper/index.php
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: alhena's mapper, mspaint, visio
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: For Alhena's program.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Jhav.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atoam Tech: (snort) SmartDraw
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: can probably also use Campaign Cartographer, if you really want to bring a nuke to a knife-fight.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: Never used it though, so I can't speak for how well it works.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daikojun Tech: ok thanks guys
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what happens if you just have it as "2"?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mis
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: In a trigger, is it possible to exclude articles and things, like "a," "an," "the," etc, from the captured parameter? I'm using Blowtorch.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: And "of" *
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Could I maybe use a .
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Er, a |?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I don't know about blowtorch but if you can use regex, you could probably do that with (a |an |the |) in the capture
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: But would it still capture if the string of words did not have those?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not if you put ? at the end.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And really, (an? |the )? is all you need, I think.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: So (A?|An?|The? .+), Etzli?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: some
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No...
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: (an? |the )?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I just think (a |an |the |some |) is neater but each to his own
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Why define "a" twice?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Alright, will do. How come there is now ? after the the?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And you're not allowing for it to not be there.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Because "an?" will match "a" and "an"
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the last | has nothing after it, that's the blank
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And it's an ignorant way to do a regext.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: er, regex
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Scurvy shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Well, I'm not sure I fully understand the answer, but I'll try that. Thank you very much, Etzli and Scurvy.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hardly ignorant...it's much more readable, and which is more efficient would depend on the regex engine
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: ? in regex means "the last portion/character is optional. Check if it's there, otherwise move on"
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: At least, in this instance.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Sorry, want to double check. How's (a? | an? |the .+)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: the point of the an? is to remove the need for 'a'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: also you should check for 'some'
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Sorry, I must have missed that.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and I'd put the .+ outside the ()
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make it its own atom
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Could you explain more on that, please?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with it in the (), you're no longer excluding the a/an/the
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: So, (an? |the |some ) (.+)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the ".+" is your final "everything"...that's the part you're interested in
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Little Johns nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no space between the two ()s
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: you provided all the spaces you'll need in the first bracket
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and either add a final | to the first (), or have a ? just after it
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Thank you. Anything else? :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: I got: (an? |the |some |)(.+)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: now you can capture the second () to a variable or whatever you're interested in
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and put a ^ before the first ()
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Now just to hope you don't get: This is Thoran and oh does he loath bothersome idiots!
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: loathe, too. :p
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Can Blowtorch use variables, Abe? Sorry, my internet connection times out when I even try to load Google.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the ^ fixes the issue etzli's bringing up
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which is that it sees the end of bother"some idiots!" as matching that pattern
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: ^(an? |the |some |)(.+) ?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: blowtorch can use variables of a sort...it fakes them with aliases
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: but introduces the issue of your trigger not catching mobs with flags like (I)(T)(R) The pengiun would be easy, but is it even worth the work out?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: Sounds complicated.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what were you planning to do with the pattern matching?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I think, but I could be wrong, that it should be ^(?:an? |the |some |)(.+) so you're only capturing one pattern, not two.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: I wonder how many consider highlighters I just set off A Scurvy looks a little worried about the idea.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: none here :-)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: what are the differences between raw BlowTorch and Aardwolf Android client?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aard's has predefined buttons & stuff
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the program itself is the same
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Little Johns Tech: thank you all again, very much. :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: ok then, guess I'll stick to the Aard version
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: wonder why nobody created multi-view client, like in Mush, for Android
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not enough real estate for it to be worth it
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: too bad, maybe I'll develop my own - splitting channel talks to a separate view would be a huge impovement on its own
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: not to mention some kind of a mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Good luck getting that on a 3.2" screen.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: you don't have to show it all at once, think about tabs or view-switching gestures
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Good luck getting that to run smoothly on a phone.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the advantage of most channel/map captures is that they are shown all at once...people want to see what's happening "now" as they look at those other things
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mkej Tech: sure, but if you could switch quickly enough and be notified about channel messages while looking on other view - it might be useful
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: nods i have 4 windows in mush... main/chat/automap/mapper
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have 6 in CMUD. :\
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I have my main window and status window and my screen looks cramped, where do you guys fit all that stuff?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: oh 5 i guess if ya include the stats bar at the bottom :P
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: well, when you pull chats off of main, main can be a lot smaller
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: I also have an 11.6" screen though.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: ah
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I only pop up capture windows when I'm trying to follow a convo during high MUD output (pupping, etc), otherwise I live in just a putty window
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Santher Tech: plug in a bigger monitor :)
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Starling Tech: My work moves me around a lot, not practical to lug a monitor about
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: 8 windows, squished into the left half of my monitor
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I used to have on the order of 15 windows fit into a 15" monitor
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Scurvy Tech: wwhhhyyyyyy?
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: for persistent viewing, to cut down on spam
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if I put everything into a separate window now, though, I'd have over 30 of 'em.
T3/r7/2012-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: if i wanted a title in adobe premier pro, and wanted to use it for multiple videos would i need to create it each time?