T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'any one read te news about the deal made on the fiscal cliff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Spacemen will bring us socialism from the stars"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting headline, not really backed up with anything in the text unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like congress might scupper fiscal cliff bill to force spending cuts because democrats won't reign in their spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schoolkid threatened with expulsion from school after writing a poem about sandy hook shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that school is seeking to violate the 1st ammendment rights of children'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the school is just being retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Courtni, 17, says the school blew things out of proportion because her poem only spoke to the societal defects helping to nurture violent tendencies. Why are we oppressed by a dysfunctional community of haters and blamers? The meaning of the poem is just talking about society and how I understand why things like that incident happened. So its not like Im agreeing with it, but thats how the school made it seem, Courtni told ABC.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thar school is going to inspire poems lauding the shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the school is trying to argue that the poem is a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was like wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like people being called racist for not loving socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or being told you hate black people because you own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that happened in the elections, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and what does that say about you? :) You could have said "hate asians", but you chose blacks instead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was paraphrasing quotes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blacks are the safer targets, now that China owns so much of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, blacks are the go to minority. The US claims that they are passed racism but they never say "look at that white guy across the street" if the person is white, but they will certainly will say "look at that black guy" if the person is black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was once in Los Angeles and someone asked me for directions, I said "See that guy with the red shirt" that's where the place is. Now red stands out in any crowd, you can't miss it. Anyone wearing red is quite visible. He response was "Oh, you mean the black guy?"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "go to minority" are the non-rich in the USA  (a "minority" when viewed in terms of wealth)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously had I said "see where that black guy is?" would have been quite clear to him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poor whites and rich whites have one thing that unites them, they both see "the black guy",  not the only "guy wearing a red shirt". :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long after feinstein pushes her firearm ban and confiscation act through do you think the civil war will start?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I actually know a lot more racist minority folk than racist white folk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, minorities are racist, too. Though they are more apt to see the "red shirt" than the "white guy".'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not very true at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, racism within minorities can't easily be separated from a reflex response.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreigners in the UK tend to be considerably more racist than the natives'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every black person I know thinks whities are out to fuck them over.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gee,  I wonder why :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i don't think all whtes want to fuck me over. '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree, but waiting to see if they are going to be fucked over or not is not a good survival strategy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'at least not the nice white chics who can do a good job, if you knwo what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, it's ok for asian women to date and marry white men, no one blinks an I. But a white chick with a black man? WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'blinks an eye* :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, you're saying we should advertise quality alarm systems as anti-nigger devices because the perception is that blacks are more likely to steal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am saying that that is already being done :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hey. take the rcial slur to echo. i do not use them, and neither should anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should point that out to Mr Foxx'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some foreigners in an English-speaking Aardwolf are annoying -- after reading a crappy dictionary, they believe they are an authority on the English languagee, and begin posting on the Typos forum notes correcting proper Engish'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Redd or Jamie?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'what's going on here'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jamie'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is no need for racial slurs on aard. period. where is an imm?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is being racially slurred'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(language)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do not use the n-word, and no one else should'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because it is ignorant to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't tend to use it, but it's a word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'because it is in fact racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, aard should not tolerate that'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blacks call each other that all day long, both as a form of greeting as well as an attempt to elevate themselves from what they consider to be a bad example of their race.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "Django" - somebody said that every second word was an n-word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the blacks using that are ignorant. not all blacks do that. i do not. ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the rich and/or smart ones use it just as much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree it's hypocritical, hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'point being, aard does not need that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's perhaps the one group that seems to somehow prefer a perpetual state of civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's lots of things aard and the wider world doesn't need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'nor is it allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'correct. take racial slurs to echo channel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Resolution Rhuli: 'umm.. cool it please, i see racey stuff going on here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soooo.... let me guess this straight, you're castigating people INCASE they drop the N bomb'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'or private channels, it does not belong on public channels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i never drop that word. why do i have to see it dropped here?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has someone used it here?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chroseph: 'so can we all agree that racial slurs are a bad idea - no matter who's using them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'basically.  Context completely doesn't matter for the use of the word, especially so from the perception of the supposed minority faction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'context or not, aard is not a place for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally get offended if someone calls me a conspiracy nut, perhaps i should declare that aard isn't the place for accusing someone of being a conspiracy nut'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could be discussing the history of such words, and everyone gets offended that the word was used even though it wasn't actually directed at anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i nevefr call anyone that. do debate -h <number> and see the word dropped'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'just reading back... it would seem that the "n-bomb" was dropped n context to highlight how offensive branding an item on social stereotypes could be'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'actually that would be personal attacks if it's done on public channels, and that against the rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if someone wants to make a social point, that is fine, but they can do it withou ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'potentially an insensitive usage... but an understandable one and not one used as the basis for an attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can do without people taking offense on behalf of someone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i never use it. and i am black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so no one else should use it either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tell somebody they can't use the n-words, and they're going to use those n-words disdainfully along with other expletives (in private of course, which cursing at those expletive-deleted bad-excuses for actors ruining the appearance of the tv-screen-image)  sadly, folk are going to see the crap movie Django for the n-words '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I found the slur offensive, I just didn't want to add to what others were saying.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'I didnt argue about the sensitivity... I was merely pointing out that it wasnt being used as an attack, except against the stupidity of people who would use social stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'campaign away, ohm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then, could it be said, from now on, racial slurs should be kept off debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): KyriaBot Krypteria rapidly nods twice at Ohm, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you politically-correct expletive-deleteds are annoying -- please get sick and die horridly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one does have to wonder why the need to use the slur is necessary, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the definition of a slur, anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i used to live in texas, and i got offened when people used racial slurs against mexicans. i am not even mexican'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'like I said... I'm not arguing the senstivity... merely pointing out that it wasn't an attack, or actually used as a slur...  I wouldn't have worded it that wat, but the original point was a valid one and completely missed in the outrage over poor wording'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slurs are emotional, and express genuine feelings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'if it quacks...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be campaigning to stop people using stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? I suppose you are right. Hating blacks is a genuine emotion :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. i concede. that. but could the slurs be kept off public channels?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes are a mission for morons and fools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotypes are merely convenient generalisations'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you may turn off the debate channel and hide in a hole'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the interesting thing is that all this just proved the point I was trying to make. That "white" America is not color blind.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'morons and fools like convenient generalisations'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'Zade, you are bordering on personal attacking here, cool down please'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'and strangely Ohm, that was roughly the point the person who dropped the "n-bomb" was making :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nice choice of expletives, Ohm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ohm seems desperately intolerant for someone who is so offended by racism that hasn't happened yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's really eating you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he can make any point he wants. just don't get racial'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the population weren't polarized by race, this discussion would have never arisen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'society is fractured by race and government seeks to exploit that'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the idea that US is getting past its racial problems is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades is color blind
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tigernuts - you have no idea what i hafe been through. at all. so keep silent'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Pleiades's head.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never is this more profound and active than in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'news flash, Anaristos.  Not a single group, minority or otherwise, is colorblind.  Black are JUST as racist as the classic white guys, and because their cultural history includes hard-fought civil rights movements they are likely to think they should actually have a right to be racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in the US, that is certainly true and any country that want to be a friend of the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why you're digging at me for,  i think racism is disgusting'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because when white US citizens go abroad, they don't like coloureds to go to the same places they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'racism is natural '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism is not natural, tribalism is natural'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if people are racist, they just are. i am quite used to it. i do not come to aard to here people drop slurs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've dropped at least one yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'racism may be natural, but not a part of aardwolf so just drop this toppic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. i did not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would be so fun in an etymology discussion, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[01 Jan 17:05:46] (Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes are a mission for morons and fools.''
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no racial slurs there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a slur, not a racial one'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but not racial.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a slur is a slur'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you are proud to have stereotypes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Krypteria and Ohm are sure to censor an etymology discussion on the n-word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a racial one, too.  Very few people call up anything but whitey (at least at first) when talking about racism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I prefer "cracker" myself'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need to be proud of a stereotype? A stereotype is a generalisation. Are people proud of statistics, or groupings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sports and other competitions, Tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if people are ignorant, they are ignorant. i cannot speal for them. i just cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'depends what the statistics say, and what they want to prove'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'speak*'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a concept, whether it has value, or ethical or moral vector is entirely dependant on the context'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then why do you defend it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defend what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotypes are useful'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. they are not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the advertising industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'this is aard, not the advertising industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to anyone or any industry that has a target audience'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like any other word, they encapsulate a concept in a concise and meaningful description that doesn't fatigue the audience.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stereotypes are sometimes (somewhat) accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why can we not use stereotypes? Are there not differences in culture between whites, blacks, arabs, mexicans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stereotypes are sometimes extremely accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am done here. a mission for morons and fools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro waves goodbye to Ohm.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is anyone else similarly baffled as I am?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Stuart Rhodes is predicting civil war'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in which country?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, not gonna happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'sure will'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'because they hate my freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if Feinstein gets her gun confiscation act in'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get all freaked out when just a handful of people get hurt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so there is no need for concern that people decide to use children in school for target practice? Or people at the movies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course there is'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look to the failings of your existing systems for the cu re'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'sometimes, you have to venture outside of the training area and practice in the real world, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I get your point :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really.  All those guns were out there for the past 30 years, as were a bunch of children who are now somehow in mortal danger every waking moment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, the worst event occurred when the desired ban on guns was in full effect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'for the past [when were guns invented?] years'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is this: Since the weapons were out there for the last 30 years, they should remain out there. If someone dies because of one of those weapons then they are simply SOL :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the murder of children is the price they pay for the right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'a ban would do very little to the availability of the weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really think gangbangers are going to turn in arsenals that will by new definition now be illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'children get murdered without the help of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'children were murdered before guns existed,they'll be murdered as long as humans exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts thanks Cain killd Abelinc heartily.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'all criminals can get guns. why? because they are criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jack the ripper didnt need a gun to terrorize a city.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give you a hint here, after the gun ban in the UK, murders didn't go down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'children are rarely murdered in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'children are rarely murdered in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'children are rarely murdered in the ...yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this is the most defeatist logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'other than places with people like Kony, children in general are quite safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'applied to any other topic and results would be comical'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'compare the rate at which people get murdered in the US vs in Europe, then draw conclusions about gun laws ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'they're not safe in my basement either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and don't forget the discrepency of importance placed on events like 9-11.  3 planes killed a number of people that wouldn't fill a midsized neighborhood in a small US city, and that's spurred about 3 and a half wars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime rate is higher in the UK than in the USA, HS'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the interest group of gun supporters is so large, that absurd arguments like this are accepted'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are saying since people find ways to kill each other, why not make it easy on them, Tigernuts? I mean the UK didn't experience a drop in the murder rate, so let the guns back out in the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'homer: depends on which parts of Europe, which types of murders, and at which point in time'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime is a factor of culture and POVERTY'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'there have been plenty of places in Europe where the death rate has far exceeded the US even in the past 15 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, abe, it depends on WHERE in the USA. Many states in the USA have a lower murder rate than UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's noticable that the states with the highest murder rates also have the highest levels of POVERTY'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts looks at Vost and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe the government should buy poor people's guns :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or a slippery slope to totalitarian government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I forget which'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'something like that, yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder how many people have been murdered by private citizens vs the number of people murdered by government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'Dagnir: they often do'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They already do that in L.A...you get a gift certificate to the GAP or Starbucks if you turn in a gun....this year someone turned in a bazooka.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean the world over, or just in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would someone turn in a bazooka ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'there have been many cash-for-guns programs run to help get guns off the street'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world over, hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'harder to get rounds for the bazooka'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'as for why? money. although I'd prolly try to black-market the thing for more cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the death-rate in disarmed countries is usually far far higher (when the government is doing the killings with death squads, or the disarmed country is invaded)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they wouldn't, Riz.  Bazooka are already illegal.  Turning one in would get you arrested, and those with such things would both have plenty of other reasons to avoid arrest AND wouldn't be too happy with the shmuck who grabbed it while it was on the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, probably the states with population 3 or 4 :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far in Chicago after they banned guns from law abiding citizens...the murder rate has been steadily going up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun shootings have been up while people dying of their gunshots are down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though, riz, more widely, over the last 5 years as gun ownership has gone up, violent crime has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'nobody's been allowed to have a gun legally in new york city for years...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those figures are on the fbi website'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'nobody abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun murders are going down because medicine is better'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that likely isn't a direct result of the gun law, though, so much as a longtime shift of limited resources from gangland to counter-terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not becauase guns make people safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'just LEO'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'secret service, ambassadors...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Private security goons'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls on the floor laughing at Tasty Tipro's antics!
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise a non-fatal shooting is still counted as a violent crime.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are countries where both murders and murders with firearms are rare events, heavily populated countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'new york state gun permits don't apply in NYC, there is no "normal" way to obtain legal ownership there...so yes, I'll use the term "nobody", but police and other professional users of guns may have them'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without the major presence of the gangland units clamping down on local gang activity, gangs have been able to expand everything with general confidence that there won't be (for now, at least) any consequences of their business.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is counted as a crime but doesn't figure into the statistics for gun murders'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'anaristos: yeah, but those countries don't allow you to be an asshat :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i very specifically talked about the trend of violent crime going down with gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't Tread On Me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody could tread on you, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless they had bigass boots'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and 14ft legs'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, cheer yourself up with a bit of child brainwashing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tjbgJmLFg&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next will be training the public for "mass crying" events like North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVLMSvWyBNA&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I also made it quite clear that Socialism means equality of income or nothing, and that under socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly feed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you like it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live you would have to live well." George Bernard Shaw'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obamas 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, also, fictional'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zY31EPZ9oDM'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already happens in the UK, it's naive to think it won't happen in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we will just stick with Calvanistic wealth doctrine death panels instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it already does. right now, it's based on ability to pay, and lifetime caps'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, there is no *death panel* in the us healthcare law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US spends between 2 and 10 times as much on healthcare for the elderly under the existing system compared to Germany, UK, Sweden, and Spain'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its convenient to believe otherwise, so no amount of disputing that will compute'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disputing what, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"Death Panels"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not called death panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so of course there won't be death panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll just be budgets, targets, and guidelines that dictate what care is offered to whom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are really two fundamental ways of looking at this'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'either we can treat everyone or we can't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we can't who should we neglect and why'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'health care is retardedly expensive in America'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend more per capita and have worse outcomes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like you're swapping one kind of unjustifiable descrimination for another'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news flash, good healthcare is expensive everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you see the worse outcomes part?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second newsflash, obama is set to raise the cost of healthcare significantly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And as long as conventional nutrition wisdom is inexplicably flawed and health care focuses on symptom treatment, those costs aren't going down anytime soon (aging population doesn't help either)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend _more_ to get _less_'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has to do with your culture of insurance, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everything about Obama or most of it is always based on speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US does have some sort of world record in health care spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend crazy amounts of money'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because your MDs prescribe pills for just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capitalism run amok'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, that's what they are taught to do. Also, some of those pills are amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'big pharma makes big bucks, kickbacks to docs and lawmakers'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less capitalism and more fascism, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because most of them get prescription kickbacks from drug companies, because the fed govt keeps lowering medicare care payments.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The pills used to reduce the symptoms of underlying chronic diseases are not always a very good idea though'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and of course that's where the big money are'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like GlaxoSmithKlyne got caught giving kickbacks to MD's for prescribing their meds'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh woops, they did, my bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The only way independent doctors can stay in business is by taking kickbacks from drug companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like Merck got caught faking vaccine efficacy and safety results to get a cast iron contract from central government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In another 20 years, most doctors will work for hospitals, instead of small clinics.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooooh, tehy did, my bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like they did the same thing in the UK...... hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is the result of Laisse-Faire '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'definitely capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'regulatory capture is always a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'however, i don't know what the solution is'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or at least the smal clinics will be owned by bigger hospitals or private companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'A top-down solution to those problems is exceedingly improbable though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the solution is, having central government dictate what healthcare people have and who pays for it isn't one'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work well here, won't work well there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - despite it working *better* than the current US system everywhere else in the world?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly the point I was trying to make'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the outcomes are comparable, when controlling for demographics, and the US system costs twice as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend more for less, so obviously whatever we have is worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where in the rest of the world has a model such as the one you're moving to, in a similar demographic country, works better?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'regulated insurance companies with guaranteed issue/subsidies - germany has something similar, i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at A Giant Kraken, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer the system in Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'insurance companies get away w/ paying 50% or less of premium dollars'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty unconscionable'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'healthcare is a somewhat unique product'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and so, the best way to pay for it is difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I prefer the German way of doing many things, such as education for employment....getting private industry into the mix to provide employment training for people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but... but.. socialism!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just a word.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it works, it works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. and it seems to make americans irrationaly against things with the name'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well the way you describe it in Germany, I don't see that being the case over here'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'germany's public healthcare is a monopoly, so it is not comparable to the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have better health outcomes at a lower cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the healthcare industry in the US is a monopoly also, there are only a few large insurance companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the same system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so let's adopt their system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not adopting their system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it would never get a majority of votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'seems i was wrong about germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even though it is demonstrably better than what we have'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'try netherlands for a "regulated insurers" system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a reason why Germany is the most powerful country in Europe....they do things intelligently that protects Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'or, switzerland'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt the USA would turn off their military to be able to afford Universal Healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they don't need to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It has been estimated that to cover 4 free health checkups EVERY year for each american citizen would cost only $12 billion a year....and would save over $75 billion in illness costs that would have been caught earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if the political will is there, the US can afford almost anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'admittedly, that's a big if.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'most guys simply don't go to the doctor, having nothing to do with the cost of the visit, though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'What the US can not afford, is having several areas of spending consume a continuously increasing share of GDP'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when your health system is dominated by Pharma, no amount of money will make it better'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which are continuously increasing? healthcare certainly is, but i didn't think any others were seriously increasing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'military'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to balance the budget and keep military spending the same we would need ~40% cuts in every other area'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'military spending is essentially steady in terms of GDP.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Exactly which sectors are perceived as increasing depend on whether you (a) use the silly cash flow thingies that pass for offical accounts or some sort of GAAP and (b) whether local/state govt. is included'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'twyst - or, they could raise enough revenue to pay for the things they want to provide'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think healthcare is something best pushed down to state level'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(for you guys) - i don't have an answer for the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the states are more of a cluster than the fed'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - you really want a race to the bottom for healthcare as well?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've already got a race to the bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that's what ppaca is supposed to help fix'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps not. but at least it's trying'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not knowable'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is easy to increase tax revenue....you just need more people working....which means you need to make it worthwhile to business to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US...and it helps if the corporate tax for manufacturers was lowered to %15 from %36'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Health care, social security/pensions, education, possibly military spending (although I doubt the long term trends there), debt service if you are inclined to include that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'proven false by the last decade Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'healthcare's the big one. military is about flat, education's a non-factor in terms of size'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, the current corporate tax is 36%, if I was a big company...the last place I would be is the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lowering taxes doesn't incentivise hiring, it just increases income inequality'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'skill level of workforce, infrastructure, and cost of hiring people also affect busienss'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the US government is an insurance company with an army.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when you can go somewhere cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'us government's main outgoings are SS/healthcare/defence/debt service'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has a low corporate tax rate, but they won't invest here because of huge cost of wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more bullshit, Texas lowered its business tax, and now manufacturers and tech companies are flocking to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'rizgoth - yes.. from other US states'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from China.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ding ding ding'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'very few from china. the differences aren't tax related there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'japan - perhaps. i don't know what the costs are there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from South Korea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, how many of texas's population doesn't have health insurance? about 25%'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas is a right to work state'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for less of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be obsessed less about how many people have health insurance, and obsessed more about how healthy people are, and what access they have to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, people without health insurance in the US have essentially 0 access'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's utter bullshit, kraken, and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention, if you had a good paying job you could afford medical care yourself instead of whining about govt coverage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Michelle Obama has been vilified and ridiculed for campaigning for healthier lifestyles'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'rizgoth - the jobs being created in texas are low-wage jobs, with no health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'too much socialism and gov't control'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michelle obama has been vilified for forcing school canteens to limit kids meals to 875 calories rather than insisting on healthy content'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - what healthcare access does someone in a minimum-wage job get?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure that's why TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Campaigning for healthy lifestyle is all very fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity care, or payg'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'payg? they're on minimum wage. they can't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is charity care?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up until recently MDs, hospitals etc offered 25% of their services for free'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was part of the hypocratic oath'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many still do'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's just people refusing to pay their bill'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'free clinics isn't people refusing to pay their bill'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'free clinics are subsidized by the gov and taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'and there are reduced and free healthcare options for low income people'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'my view is the governement should provide a minimum standard of healthcare for everyone. if you want/need more, pay for it yourself somehow'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity used to be an integral part of the profession'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity and governemnt control are incompatible'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I am waging my own little campaign to make people around me live a healthier life, so I don't think the idea behind that is very bad..'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'charity is a fickle mistress'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no amount of charity would have alleviated the effects of hurricane Sandy'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'here in PA, the healthcare offered for kids on the Chip program was such a good policy that it's what I pay for out of pocket for my kids still'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a good job that requires only a 2 year college degree is radiologic technician.....starting salary $62,000 a year.  #8 on the top10 best jobs that you can get with a 2 year degree.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the need for them will increase 44% in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, if you like, you can have the UK system and not get treated at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I heard a funny joke TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are in a car wreck or have some other kind of traumatic injury, or have one of the target disaease (cancer) then you'll probably be ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why would I want to get #8?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again - in the UK, if you've got the money, you can get private treatment. If you don't want to do that, then it's determined on basis of urgency'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I only care about #1 on the list'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the Healthcare laws were passed in the UK, some people were very upset because now they had to wait in line to get health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not based on urgency, it's based on funds'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what iq is required for that radiogic technician degree'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'with a finite resource, they have to prioritize. everyone does this'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'others were ecstatic, because now to get health care, all they had to do was wait in line'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt you could do #1, not without mucho experience in being a building contractor :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what iq is required for that radiologic technician degree'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Nobody's going to say "You know I want to really maximize the goodness of the job I can get after this 2 years....but only #8 much."'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which brings us back to death panels :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which exist already. with a finite amount of resources, there has to be some system of matching supply to demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst claimed they didn't exist!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not everybody is high iq'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't except they do, glad we got that pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'insurance companies do the same, just on basis of cost, rather than need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kraken is reading my mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'd prefer need to be the main factor for a decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not at all TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're deciding how to allocate resource. that always happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they allocate resources based on cost AND need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right now it is strictly cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to claim UK healthcare is based only on need and it's just not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1000s of stories on the internet of being denied life saving treatments by insurance co's because it would be too expensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there are some very expensive things they won't cover.. true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'such as Kraken?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't know the details.. i remember some cancer drug my mother couldn't get on the NHS in the UK, and had to get through private insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't remember what it's called i'm afraid. it was a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an aside: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/putting-americas-tax-hike-perspective'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many stories on the internet about people getting delayed cancer treatments that could have saved their lives had it started on time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again - you will always get these. if demand > supply, then some people won't get what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the idea is the system has to minimize these'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, it's a *really* hard problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does so badly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does a terrible job of dealing with non-lethal medical conditions'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the idea is that tons of people just have to die and nobody's got the courage to point out who.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Social security needs to be changed....all income should be taxable on social security.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it does a great job of doing though, is burning billions of tax payers dollars in corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the PFI schemes in the UK have proven'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is limited to around $135,000 right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, you too may be moderately middle-class, if you've got a high iq, and are healthy, and nutritionally fed, and adequately lodged, and able to qualify for acceptance to an accredited college, and able to pay for the education and materials and expenses, and get a job after graduation that pays decently, ... (long list, eh) '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a really big bit of irony in a world where the general problem is that we know how to live far too long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. the PFI stuff is a load of crap.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'costs more long-term, for a short-term gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, it's that people don't want to pay now, so the government puts the paying off'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PFI cameabout from a centre-left once socialist political party who believed in spending huge amounts of money they didn't have, and hiding it from the balance sheets by using a scheme whereby they payed 10-100x the cost, but in the future when they weren't in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is good.  Produces lots of good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall which side banned local government from issuing bonds to raise funds for infrastructure projects, but it's one of the reasons it's so prevalent now'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tiger - for once, i'll agree. they didn't have the guts to say how much the things they want would actually cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas companies are your friend......'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. they're *really* not'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're good to their shareholders. they couldn't give a crap about anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In his recent book Presidential Perks Gone Royal, Robert Keith Gray, a former Eisenhower staffer, revealed that last year the U.S. presidency cost American taxpayers $1.4 billion. Over the same period, the entire royal family cost British taxpayers about $57 million. Theres nothing 'royal' about the current level of 'presidential perks': The Obama family costs taxpayers more than every European royal house put together.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds like govt to me....they are only good to their shareholders, ie the ones who donate cash to them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so they're no different than the clean-energy companies held above them.  Which means, logically, we shouldn't trust Big Green either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - the royal family is mostly ceremonial. the presidency is an executive branch'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that Big Green companies are involved in corporate welfare, a form of fascism, no, you shouldn't trust them'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Kraken'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. the president costs more. he also does more'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Prime Minstistership doesn't cost that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'oil companies even seemed to be able to bribe or persuade appeal judges to reduce payouts to victims of oil spills'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that, at least, is a fair comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the president does nothing....it is a figurehead to give the govt a face to the rest of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the executive branch is -supposed- to do nothing, it's only the last few that have been riding roughshod over the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, big green vs big oil - all are in it for their shareholders.. but the externalities of big oil are worse than big green'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the executive branch makes sure the laws are executed. there are a *lot* of laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go big oil!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not entirely true.  The president is the ultimate authority on whether laws are enforced.  He can literally tell the cops to stop patrolling East LA.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. the cops don't work for him'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone should go buy some Exxon-Mobil stock.....*humming*'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he also enforces Supreme court decisions'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the cops work for a lower level of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the fbi work for the president, indirectly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'powers of the executive are set out in the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sort of'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'article 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'basically it's "enforce the laws passed by congress and signed by the president"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should replace congress with some donkeys....more would get done.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'congress will never continue to get worse and worse because of Gerrymandering'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'delete the never obviously :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(repeat the whole statement properly -- or your opinion is the first statment (since the correction won't be noticed in the logs))'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(doubt that Abelinc "corrects" the logs per typoers request)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron perlman is a great character actor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you heard of condemnation for burning a book from the UN but none for slaughtering people and burning down their homes in response?  no?  new dialogue with laos and the pope condemns rampant capitalism while a second USSR is being discussed by modern armenian politicians and various other developments, like the UN advise on letting people eat bugs to slow down on cow-fart emissions from laos'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'naturally most people would already see that there is no connection or implications to be had from the news (some of which is hardly reported)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's all i talk about it for, seeing what toilet seats and toilet theme parks have to do with one another'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/8486704/UN-food-advisor-says-let-them-eat-insects.html he doesn't say the ruling elite will eat bugs with 'them', them is the communist version of nothing that they consume'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all speaks to me of corruption of the holocaust / holodomor sort'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shit, they even downplay prison camps these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok don't worry about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about the porn?  canada's out to find extortion in the world and there's a news story pointing out that it has extortion economic whore shops in canada but there's no investigation at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or tax-evasion rather*'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , nothing to talk about what i read ont he news for, except the government's obviously full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as is proven by the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9750009/Porn-king-detained-on-suspicion-of-tax-evasion.html see where 'manwin's' offices are'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind can't schizophrenize many alternative interpretations of that, unless i delve into the people who are not really there'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm not their lawyer, they're like ashes to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or like vietnam having protest about 6 star's on the flags when chinese communist party leaders come to visit and having the people who mention it locked in prison, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/vietnam/8974616/Vietnam-in-embarrassing-flag-gaffe-with-China.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the egyptian reporters who cult of personality opposed mursi's mercy merci being prosecuted today'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as the news reports last year that women who protest being raped in egypt get raped for protesting'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, bristol bay alaska had a record harvest of 18.1 million sockeye salmon caught in summer 2012.....almost 2x the average catch that was predicted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another funny thing is things like on forbes -> http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2012/09/06/why-estonia-has-started-teaching-its-first-graders-to-code/ (of course estonia's not a communist), but then considered with google's tech talk 'Born in a concentration camp' interviewing north korea's unified camp 22 and yodok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4NIB6xroc General electric praising state communism (head of obama's job council says article) http://www.theblaze.com/stories/head-of-obamas-jobs-council-state-run-communism-actually-works/ and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/9760653/Techs-new-territory-Skolkovos-Moscow-takes-shape-after-Munich-summit.html (not even remembering bill gate's death-panel jokes)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'MY EYES!'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since i seen somebody talking about how important education is these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cold war ended in 1991 with end of communism though, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20882894 Pope's new year address deplores rampant capitalism '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a real eye opener to look up the history of several successful people, 1st 2nd generation ussr, barbie dolls in 1959 inspired by german dollars, with the surname of a nazi who worked for the USA after leaving the gestapo'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I once heard a Haitian radio announcer describe Klaus Barbie, a Nazi known as the Butcher of Lyon, as youn ansyen Tonton Makout Hitler, or one of Hitlers Tontons Macoutes: a zombie of the Reich.  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/opinion/a-zombie-is-a-slave-forever.html?_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie  was an SS-Hauptsturmführer (rank equivalent to army captain) and Gestapo member. He was known as the Butcher of Lyon. After the war had ended, he was recruited by the Western Allies and worked for the British until 1947. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie  is a fashion doll manufactured by the American toy-company Mattel, Inc. and launched in March 1959. American businesswoman Ruth Handler is credited with the creation of the doll using a German doll called Bild Lilli as her inspiration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/06/navy-detects-russian-sub-off-u-s-east-coast/ are american's really convinced that they should be in afghanistan with the enemy floating off their coast not too far away?  seriously?  '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'found that link from google search or while looking through cnn website'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a chinese sub off florida a few months ago, fired a missile without a warhead at the mainland'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wondered why there's so many black leaders in american nations'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess people like the chief of the UN and human rights violators from a trial in switzerland (2x from kenya) that i read on the news can be used to guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're running for politics there now, and google search for human rights kenya says they '13 Nov 2012  Kenya was elected on Monday to one of the coveted seats on the United Nations Human Rights Council.''
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/chinese-navy-jin-class-nuclear-submarine-fired-missile-off-so-cal/'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in international waters, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so wasn't fire -at- the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16675268 Two presidential candidates in Kenya are to stand trial over crimes against humanity following post-election violence in 2007, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has ruled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the woman behind obama on television the other day sure had quite the hateful gaze at the camera's, i wonder why'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so your first statement was bullshit. also, no better source than some wordpress site?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my memory of events months past aren't great, Dagnir, I remembered hearing about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondly, the wordpress site is mirror a independant news website that have sources there from RT with quotes and references from Janes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a) you have bad memory and/or b) you "hear about things" and consider them facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was 2 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your problem? I corrected the facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's very nice of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a long history of foreign subs 'turning up' just outside national waters'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russians used to do it to the UK an awful lot with planes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's just that your statements are usually half-truths'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd fly towards british airspace, we would launch, they'd turn around'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your face is half truth, my statements are fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, the russian planes fuck with our airspace all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so i'm telling half truths and now you're agreeing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grow up'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you'd like to claim that it's wrong because there's a spelling mistake or other some such bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'spelling mistake? you got everything wrong except for "china" and "missile"'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go complain at the media, they make similar mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it makes a huge difference. your original version sounded more exciting tho. i'll give you that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't change the fact that your statement was bullshit and i called you on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they push it, and then policy gets made based on those mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11/chinese-submarine-was-not-the-first-on-us-coast/'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petition to deport piers morgan now over 100,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so a nation with presidents immune to the international criminal court for crimes against humanity is now part of the united nation's human rights council'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that incredible?  and people still insist that they shouldn't leave it and form some kind of a real justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was never under the illusion that most people seem to be that the UN is some kind of benevolent watchdog'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me, it looks like they're the kind of thing any hero would have died fighting against in world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what it is, a group that exists solely to dictate to the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clue is in the UN convention on human rights, 1945'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty hyperbolic'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the UN can't dictate anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but the lizard people can!'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN can dictate whatever powers have been ceded to it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'aka nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN can grant legitimacy to military action'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they can give their blessings'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they can give legal legitimacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't recall the UN authorizing Desert Storm 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the only legal basis for US intervention in Libya, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the intervention was illegal under US law'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN, decress without the means to enforce them are requests at best'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've misundersood the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN is a TOOL for powers within the USA who want to impose an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the west are getting arsey at Russia and China vetoing stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because they are ruining the "cool" kids club where everyone agrees that they are correct and moral etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone being USA and western Europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well everyone clearly doesn't agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you've captured the sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, the NDAA breeches the UN convention on human rights 1945'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(shh, don't tell them)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Article 29 (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that by itself invalidates the entire document'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unable to get away with charging people more for their electric, and suffering because of people choosing to be energy efficient to save money, british electric companies now to charge a standing charge for all electric customers'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2010 canada stops reporting soldier injuries, america has over 1000 military suicides'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of accidents are going to happen in quebecs 'great warrior' training in america on the base with a japanese website replacing the us government'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen it on latimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=4574 Quebec Reserve Soldiers Depart For Exercise Noble Guerrier -- they're just doing some hard training like when america dropped bombs on them in afghanistan?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pickett there says http://www.fortpickett.net/ domain was owned by us government, but not anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess maybe they're not up to no good though, they'll probably come back non-raped and feeling fine without any population control'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always found it suspicious that canada had so much uranium and stuff on it but didn't bother to build more nukes than russia and america combined'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm upset i wasn't born into a real country so i could have participated in defending it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would have to be a place willing to self-destruct to preserve sovereignty though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't hestitate to fire all the nukes in the world at my enemies if they were fucking around like this'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd say sorry after'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make use of all them little virus's and stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they'll all die one day, cancer maybe or accidents or the end's all that matters'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world's getting all cancered up year by year too so their invested futures are all covered in plastic too'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Premier Brad Wall has promised not to sell certain Crown corporations, including the major utilities, that are listed in a protection act. (CBC) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/01/02/sk-wall-crown-corporations-1301.html what a good idea, the dumb population really has a voice when it comes to foreign communist governments controlling their nations resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could almost make their own avril arrows before the central intelligence agency of the communist americans took it over'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets sell a billion tonnes of potash to crown corporation china for only 70 dollars less than originally bargained'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'per pound'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or whatever the unit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tonne'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good idea brad wall street, i can smell the berlin holocaust all over you'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shining in new york success stories'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny isn't it?  too bad there's no war over it, maybe in real life there will be'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad there's not more hitler's in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind who aren't palestinian/catholic/jewish cronies though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some asian puppet '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he knew how to kick people's asses pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's non-communist, which is the best thing - and didn't demand everybody whoreship his god neither'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so at least he had some virtues'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not sure how much of a traitor he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm guessing he's more real than these communist puppets though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''god' is real?  '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9774217/Tsunami-bomb-tested-off-New-Zealand-coast.html a day before http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9760762/Sea-floor-next-to-Australias-Great-Barrier-Reef-close-to-collapse.html but don't question toilet seats + theme parks or you're a bigot and somebody might find out that it was actually you who caused people to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/9775831/Bigotry-that-kills.html instead of the news itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'endless hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thought is the reason we need DoDAAM automated gun turrets and gps tracking devices installed into our biometric india'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'soldiers shouldn't question their computer glitches'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 there we go, the program will feel no pain as it shoots any peace of organice meat'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm sure the video game player will have a jolly time of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's goota be pretty rare to be provided all within the same 3 day period, i wonder what hinders people from seeing the lies and wonder who the probable causes are'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2*  and multiple times over'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when you ask for proof and they point at a book, you know knowledge came before man'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody wants to discuss media hypocrisy with me, i guess they all know best about how come stalin and hitler and america had such attention paid to the media'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well too bad, their hypocrisy kind of justifies my own though, so i'll give them that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not malevolent like them with any real authority though, so they can shove off with the entertainment values of the west or their suppression in the east'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre  is a collaborative form of fine art that uses live performers to present the experience of a real or imagined event before a live audience in a specific place. (without google results for 'Syria Danny' in mind, or 1920 broadway musicals) war looks like a real 'theatre of war' with all of the fiction i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably chiselled out the theatre before the book of revelation, and synthesized the disasters and rumours of war omen of the ends in it ever since, to their heavenly genocide of amalek and esau'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racist god of filth'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada was named after a roman slave state with the 'eye of the king' sovereignty from beyond'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you search for the word jew google gets concerned, watch out'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just trying to see if they're a commie or a jew, what's wrong with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'type in any racist term denoting white people and it doesn't mind though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi will give you 30 million pages praising the resilient jews's version of franz fischer's world war 1 - which has laws in place in russia and europe to prevent discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you search for any connection between klaus barbie and the german 1959 inspired barbie doll's western affiliations you'll get a page full of lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colossal magnetized fountains of gamma-ray-emitting gas are spewing from the center of our Milky Way galaxy, researchers say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colossal magnetized fountains of gamma-ray-emitting gas are spewing from the center of our Milky Way galaxy, researchers say. The amount of magnetic energy contained in these geyser-like outflows corresponds to the energy liberated by about a million supernova explosions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'caused by the formation and destruction of stars near the center.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are known as Fermi bubbles, but until now there was insufficient evidence to determine their source.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they help regulate the galactic magnetic field.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the geysers of gas are 50,000 light years long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'roughly half the diameter of the galaxy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and really, really fast.  Moving on the order of 1000Km/sec.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if alpha centauri went supernova ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'of a few years not much :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is only 4 light years away.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't really do much to us, really.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if, somehow, it threw a Gammy Ray Burst at us (in theory, there's nothing there capable of doing that) and it was aimed straight at us, we'd be toast as soon as it got here.  Being on Earth, even buried at whatever the deepest depth was we ever got to, the GRB wouldn't be a survivable event.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'if they threw that beam at us we will dissapear in that second so, why worry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world is currently consuming through industrial products and processes around 800 million ounces of silver annually.  However, annual world silver production is approximately 500 million ounces and annual recycling efforts provide another 150 million ounces, leaving a 150 million ounce deficit that must come from existing inventories. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the time the supply is exhausted they'll be mining the asteroids :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you didn't think the US in  interested in Mars for humanistic reasons, did you? It's a stepping stone to the Asteroids. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am waiting for congress to pass a resolution declaring the US owner of the universe :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a bird crapped on the material that is the sky (physics, empty space is impossible), the guano act might come into effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as empty space :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not initially Abe. But it would pay off over time. Because the missions would be moon-mars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news latest: Wet sidewalks cause rain'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoy your tax hikes, america :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of democracy gives it's house a 154-page bill to study and vote on 3 minutes before the vote time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia? china? north korea?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a guess :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'original draft was available only 22 hours before vote time'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hugo Chavez in a come, 'only kept alive by life support''
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coma*'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(newspaper claims)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how will the advent of table-top U235 refinement alter the landscape of terrorist attacks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build a shedload of affordable housing, charge reduced rates of rent for all those on housing benefit. instantly 6bn a year saved'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the inland sea port at Kentucky really considered sovereign Mexican soil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't know but I'm going to say no, because I can't think of a reason it would be true (or an idea of what makes it a sea port)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sea port as such, it's a rail hub connected to the ports in mexico that acts as a dispersion point throughout the rest of north america'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Trans-NAFTA highway will be a massive upgrade of this'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically an excuse to privatise chunks of the road system, giving control of them to foreign companies who then charge tolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no complaint about building infrastructure, but it's finance and ownership should have been kept within the country at least, and at best, within state'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states should benefit from infrastructure on their land, not foreign companies'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your international opponents rich from the resources on your soil is just a business strategy, they do it in other places don't they'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sound plan'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fucking idiotic plan that's screwed up the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of it gets done for greed, lobbying, insider interests, some of it is desperation (local people getting conned that they're getting something for cheap/nothing)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that they wanted to build a dam on the bering strait once to excellerate melting of the arctic ocean - miraculous transformation of nature or something - so alot of those reasons're probably only excuses (although real to the people who embody them)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait#Proposed_dam'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's intelligent design in most of the mass-destruction in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 emissions in the US have been dropping since coal use has been replaced by natgas and wind, and the fact that technology has been getting more efficient, ie more miles per gallon of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great, i don't really care though :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only socialists and crackpots care about co2'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to much co2 is bad, but the problem is determining how much is to bad, and not enough is bad also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and people who believe in science.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a tool used to dictate people how to run their lives, and take more power/money frmo people'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok so you don't like areas close to sea level?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the industrial revolution most likely prevented the next global ice age for a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change happens, has always happens, will always happen. if they were really interested in averting or offsettting any affect we might be having, then there is tons of stuff they could have done on the absorption or reassimilation of co2. Efficiency was always going to happen through technology vs cost. Non-fossil fuels were always going to come because of limitations on, and increasing costs of grabbing limited resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, the industrialists taught of the last one too, but who lived through them to verify their claims?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even now, it would be more cost effective (by several orders of magnitude no less) to invest in dealing with the consequences of climate changes than try to be King Kanute and prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, i stand by original sentiment, what we see happening on climate change policy is merely power and money-grabbing'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't address the problem, and wouldn't be a good way of addressing the problem anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no people are actually trying to solve a problem, they care about what is going to happen to earth and the people on it.  they aren't trying to run your life for no reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the government isn't out to get everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oil's interesting especially under the ocean, there's a liquid that floats on water, but is underneath of water, not seeing the processes that put it there in the first place to omit them from any neccessary worldly functionality , unless they do - know of anything to look up on that, geology?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in a dream world'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm in the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what other possible explanation have you for governments approach to climate change?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the little that they have done (mostly talking U.S. here) is the most cost effective thing they can come up with, solar and wind energy are very close to being competitive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the evil corporatists want you to breathe air regularly so that you can continue to work for them and let them squeeze every last drop of labour from you! Breathing air is all about their power hunger, nothing else, and doesn't benefit you at all! You should hold your breath until you die! That'll show them!'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Malkar, if the USA collectively stopped all CO2 emissions right now, and I mean ALL. by 2020, the difference in global temperature would be 0.09 degrees F'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the absorption rate of CO2 method may be the way to go.  We haven't done it because either it won't work or it will work very well but sounds like science fiction and people don't study it because they don't want to look crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are the troops going to south america to protect and restore the rain forest'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the technology being deployed to turn desert into useful crop-bearing land?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8 years is not a long time frame, especially when the effects on temperature in the absence of feedback is quadratic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that's what drained the colorado river.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'claiming that the difference in 8 years is miniscule is misleading. For someone who claims to be a physicist, you're a liar one way or another.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole approach has been "how can we squeeze more money out of people while increasing our level of control"'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted 2500 hybrid poplars on my 20 acre piece of land in NE Texas after it was partially clear-cutted'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi, as you well know, any saving the west makes is obliterated by China/Asia'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'You may wish to live your life based on what is good or bad for the powers that be. I would rather live my life based on what is good or bad for me and my people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you live by whatever is good for your ego, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars are good firewood...they grow really fast.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't appreciate the 25% hike in gas and electric prices in the last 2 years as a result of my governments' fuckwitted approach to global warming policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the tree hugger sort like to think that planting trees will help a lot... unfortunately it doesn't do much to keep carbon in the ground after they're fully grown. It's really not such an effective use of land. Preserving existing forest land while using already cleared land for more productive purposes makes more sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'protecting and helping regenerate the rain forest would have been absolutely 1st on my list of priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted trees for firewood, not for carbon sequestration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I happen to be for more co2, and more efficient technology.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but trees for firewood isn't an effective use of land either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'works for me, that is all that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trees for firewood is fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely carbon-neutral'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could argue carbon beneficial due to rotting leaves'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but it's more effective if cleared land is used for more low emitting energy supply, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people chop down rainforests cause there's gold or other resources or some other initiative to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they cut down rainforests because it's fertile crop and grazing land'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err... rotting leaves releases the stored carbon...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you seen some of the stories about places where there's rainforests, the people don't have much of alternatives to survive'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of it, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sources like fission plants'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes more sense to build nuclear power plants instead of wind farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably. Just don't build it in hurrican or earthquake zones'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello, there is a 3 reactor nuclear power plant right on the texas coast....many hurricanes have hit it, and it is fine....the damn thing has 20 foot thick concrete walls.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least ensure that you have a certain way to shut down the thing if a hurricane/flood/earthquake hits or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, just don't be like the japanese, build a plant in a dangerous area without proper safety mechanisms'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the US we build nuclear reactors with thick walls, not like the japanese who use aluminum walls. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'paper walls are best'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of US reactors are leaking due to inadquate maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that nuclear accident in japan wouldnt have happened in the US because of our dif plant designs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have you seen those pictures of japanese towns built on a slope below ancient stone tablets which say "danger, do not build homes below this point"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inadquate maintenance my butt.....the plants go offline every year for routine maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the next generation of nuclear power plant designs are really safe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pebble bed nuclear reactors.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'PBR's are ultra safe, designed to be that way....they dont need human assistance to shutdown, or cool down, and do not rely on cooling systems that can fail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is what doomed that japanese reactor plant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now only the US military uses the PBR design for nuclear reactors, because except in Texas, no new nuclear power plants have been authorized, and the Texas one is 8 years behind schedule because of govt paperwork.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it ever see the light of day? i heard that they closed down a couple of brand new carbon-capture coal stations there'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 state of the art coal plants were cancelled in Texas in 2008 because of the natgas finds....now new state of the art natgas power plants are being built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean existing built running coal plants'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, those still are running in Texas, but some have closed in other states, older plants from the 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal use in the US is down 20% in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wind use has also pushed down coal use in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces the most wind power in the nation right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Texas, if you don't do it big then it ain't worth doing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china bails out their solar industry when their bubble finally bursts, it could help drop emissions there...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of a country that uses political prisoners as slave labour to make cheap crap for export in prison camps.... i wouldn't bank on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some of those companies are locked into contracts that pretty much spell their doom if they can't move large quantities'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's China.  While a bailout isn't out of the question, all they really have to do is order panels be put on all houses...or else.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and more importantly as far as bailout chances are... some of them are very well connected'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would fill my roof with panels here when i move, but there are planning regulations that restrict us to 4KW, making it essentially pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All US govt roofs should have solar panels on them, and all schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If they decide to bailout by soaking up the excess and putting solar everywhere, it could be good for the rest of us through lower emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Scientists Invent Heat-Regulating Building Material http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110802113610.htm they had patents in america pending, apparently you can make spraypaint and stuff with it and is pretty cheap to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly be useful to cut down on the amount of times the furnace / air conditioner cuts in'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how's it work?  Because I see a bunch of people looking at this and seeing a really cheap alternative to plugging all the holes they didn't realize were in their existing building.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i just read about it there, look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'traps excessive heat in a room and then releases it as the room cools down, with some kind of a 'programmed' level of room temperature'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'night storage heaters'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, the UN voting inspector during Russia's last presidential election was a Danish guy by the name of "Tiny Kox"'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, with all them advanced identification cards and things like that, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/14/novelty-souvenir-fake-id-cards-minors.html 'noveltys' only sell novelty IDs to those aged 17 to 20. , The shop clerk denied selling to underage teens and refused to answer any questions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government spent quite a bit of money on 'securing' the cards with that addons'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can get student cards in universities, identities in any province, etc, apparently - they're just 'novelty items that are just different enough from government-issued identification to evade police scrutiny.''
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a little modification and how can you trust the government's computer's of who's a citizen, or the identity cards they hand out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good test might be to see where place of birth/residency etc was and then studying notable events (this can also be rigged, although more complexly) that happened there during their stay, and asking one that must be imprinted on their memory somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool.  Studies on male lab rats suggest that doing cocaine can help make their sons resistant to its effects.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'waste of good cocaine'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a completely unrelated study, scientists have found that meditation can reduce the risk of death.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article about that today, http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/01/02/health-inside-your-brain-dark-side.html 'the dark half''
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'members of congress make $160k a year plus benefits, and another $2 million for staff/office expenses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds reasonable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the salary, the $2m is actually lower than it used to be. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I don't mind paying for the meals, the limos, the hotel rooms of any deadbeat that wants me to fork out some cash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is what tax payers do. They can't eat at McD's, they have to eat at 4 star restaurants, and we pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I've pointed out before, being a elected is equivalent to becoming royalty. We become the servants and they become the masters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Maher visited the Canadian Embassy to see if he can get religious asylum. He found an Egyptian receptionist there in her Hijab, so he left. The Egyptian staff at Western embassies in Cairo are under the control of State Security. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1b5KOsx-10 not sure if it's real or not, pretty incredible youtube video though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada's embassy's aren't under the control of canadian state security though, interesting hypocrisy if it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so does america sends money to egypt and doesn't even have it's own embassy there? http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianwingfield/2011/01/29/making-sense-of-u-s-foreign-aid-to-egypt-and-elsewhere/'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/18/russia-embassy-compromised.html where's russia's embassy in canada compromised?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they should knock it down and build something useful instead '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be funny to see canada's embassy in china, they probably have full anal probes and camera's on every strand of their toilet paper rolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making sure no dissidents of any legitimacy could defect'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but canada's chinese embassy, probably you can't fart a block away without it being relayed to china for suspicious wind patterns'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never had any faith in the sovereignty bullet though, that's just a matter of world war 3's'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illinois comprehensive gun ban fails'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensylvania police chief submits an ordninance blocking any moves on the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feinstein bill makes it to the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it begins'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$1 trillion platinum coin for sale, for the low low price of $995 billion.....buy yours today!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bargain'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that'll go great with my trillion-dollar note I got from a Nigerian prince.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your state governor is ripping you off, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schoolkids in pennsylvania can now be prosecuted for "sex texts"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are "sex texts" and is the police state in Pennsylvania in violation of the 1st amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you've never heard of sexting?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i use a landline'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mobile phone communications of a sexually explicit manner, in the first case prosecuted of it's kind, a 13yr old girl has been given a citation for sending a photo of her breasts to a 14yr old boy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a second offence would see her prosecuted with a misdemeanor'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1st amendment doesn't apply to activities already deemed illegal.  For example, you have the 1st amendment right to make incest porn but you cannot actually share it with someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what if the boy asked for a photo of those breasts'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be child porn'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less to do with the 1st ammendment and more to do with stupid rules about sexual conduct among the under 16s'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teens are always going to bone'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems stupid to charge a minor with an adult non violent crime.  Murder I can understand.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about driving without a license?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't even statuatory rape, it's just probably some bible thumping democrats who've deemed that "speaking as a mother", they don't want their children showing other children their boobies'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '16 yr olds can drive with a permit or license, and on the farm they can drive as young as 8'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a license is just to show ability, and a way for the govt to tax you some more, but if you can drive just fine...a license shouldnt be a requirement to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think something like in indonesia today they're trying to turn society into a more comformable (successful) system of nondelinquency, that option should be available to people, but not a requirement for success - cause with religion or other governance they will try to centralize all success around being in their favour - since people can succeed without dictatorship occassionally'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legally, i don't even own my car, even though i bought and paid for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like military cadets or whatever isn't too bad, as long as it's a respectful environment of non-abuse - alot of the time places like that just want to throw their weight around and tempt you to flip out'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars have to be registered here, legally, a registration is a transfer of ownership, so the government owns it, which is why the certificate says "Registered keeper", not "Registered owner"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all a big legal fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people get like that cause the natural structure of things was messed up, now the most rotten people with most money decide who succeeds and how they kiss their ass for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no amount of terrorism or fear would shake that awareness out of people, i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'want just about anybody to run backwards on a treadmill gulping their own shit for 10 minutes?  if the price is right they probably will'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'd do it on live television like the running man'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's success in the world of capitalism / communism / ideological nazi humour'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chieu_Hoi'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to be attempting to be ignored by the heterosexuals, and admired by the homosexuals, with that excrement talk'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a fetid example of probable truth is used as emphasis'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, you are figuratively shooting yourself in the mouth'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure am hoping that girl in britain is alright, i seen some of the rawa website and them's some brave women'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like how they denounce fundamentalism and ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "blind leading the blind", and "the ignorant criticising the ignorant"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the "demagogues praising the demagogues"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody must see, otherwise everybody fits into einsteins quotes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some see alot better than others, cooler heads on their shoulders and willing to look at the good about life'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm troll under Einstein's and Rosenberg's bridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico is now the 4th largest producer of vehicles for export.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what horrendous vehicles they are too'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the taxis in NYC we made in mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'were even'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico's GDP grew by 4% last year'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought mexico's biggest export to the USA was Obama supporters'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico is now the largest producer of flat screen tvs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all ours are made in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico currently had trade deals with 44 nations, the most of any country in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if the US DOJ would stop illegally shipping firearms to their drugs gangs, they might have a lowert crime rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is expected that with the pro capitalist reforms that are taking place in Mexico, it will become one of the top 10 economies in the world soon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they can get on top of their corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, i don't mind mexico being successful at all, i think it's good for everybody to have some kind of a legal way to make a living'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed that american continents are the most violent place on earth, apparently, that's just incredible'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of places where news and statistics are impossible though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the least free, least transparent, most corrupt continentns'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in terms of what, natural disasters?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'news reports it's human violence'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well look at all the school shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ever heard of africa?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i live there'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have yeah, that's one place i considered when i read their claim of america being most violent on the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, pizza.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle east is possibly more violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They're probably not counting warzones.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, then, US just needs to continue it's policy of shooting up as many other countries in the world as is humanly possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: most of the violence is by either mixed-breeds or by specific ethnic groups'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9756172/Pro-Israel-groups-want-to-block-appointment-of-Chuck-Hagel-as-new-US-defence-secretary.html this guy here has some interesting attributes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir gasps as he realizes what Zade did.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wow. just wow. you really are fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not conjecture.  Black-on-black violence is at epidemic proportions, and they're calling for the old white guys to do something about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well gossip is going crazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's almost like BoB is a point of cultural pride.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wellll.. in the UK, there is a hugely disproporionate amount of violence among ethnic minorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not them vs the white guys, it's them vs themselves and other minorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/chuck-hagel-big-problem-realist-iran i like this article, it includes some alternative futures america could have taken'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'in sa we just all love hate each other or at least the old generation does the newer generation is just plain loving'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno who he is or what his credentials, but if he is against Iran military action, that can only be a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whites are (more) civilised because the violent whites were killed off before (over)breeding'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but since the irish overbreed, the irish are yet violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read some more articles though, like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9774553/Israel-will-cease-to-exist-within-a-decade-says-Muslim-Brotherhood-official.html this here one, seems kind of ominous '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9778238/Syria-would-not-join-Iran-in-war-against-Israel.html and this one'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's kind of understandably confusing situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it would probably be just as well to scrap Israel, and reform Israel, Gaza, and West Bank back into a single country called Palestine'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and let the muslim kill the jews instead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to be fair though, the muslim brotherhood article claims that they don't hate jews but zionism, and they wouldn't be persecuted under that - but that would be a fairly large sacrifice of trust on israel's part, and i'm reminded of them women in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they used to live side by side'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, before islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and pakistan and things like that - their situation when i read about it seems alot like hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, with Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'how about we evolve and stop killing because of what someone belives, that is so 15th century!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or jail or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Islamic Arabs are not to be trusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'islam has dumbed down the arab people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does appear to be true, though chances are it isn't Islam but rather a particular form of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the persians were a magnificient people before islam showed up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the predisposition to violence is a genetic trait -- humans are animals'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you like the fact that your ancestors where monkeys'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what most comes to my mind, is presuming adolf hitler really did as they say against the jews in germany, '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini this guy was apparently one of his advisors - and also , apparently, one of the original members of the muslim brotherhood'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and genocide's not a good thing for anybody , i never disagreed with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muslim brotherhood is born out of the Nazi party'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think rudolf hess came from egypt'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh, isrrael is doing the same the germans did to them to the palestinians...'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, they are not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'dont think is because of muslims or the terrorists or the comunists'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so implications can be pretty scary to consider, but considerable anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but you Chemosh are not saying anything deep -- you are too scared, and deliberately leave out *details* '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they use no more voilence than they have to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'im sorry homer have you seen the news lately'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if they wanted to go Nazi style on the palestinians, they could do far more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen one article on cnn that claimed the jews had dropped pamphlets over palestine before bombing their intended targets during their temporary battle'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not easy having a neighbour who wants nothing but to kill you. Can't let go of having the upper hand, because then they smack you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'informing the civilians where not to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well thats isrrael doing to the palestinians and they have been doing it for quite a while, and is called genocide in any dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, not in mine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'for it to be genocide, the purpose have to be to root a group out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well then our convo has finished'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Israel is clearly not doing that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost all nations're guilty of some amount of (un)pardonable sin, although they could reason with eachother and leave the past behind if they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but believe what you will.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I'm not saying Israel are angels, but genocide? Silly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to the equivocating HomerJew, as long as the process is done gradually, with the intent to leave a few, the weeding out is not a (full) genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'You got me quite wrong there. Intending to kill of people of a certain group is genocide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not at all like the mongol islamists, huh?  Give them a choice, kill off the ones who made the wrong one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'killing a lot of people of a certain group to defend yourself is not, however'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and I am definitely not a jew, calling names is not necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'self-defense is a human instinct, who could be faulted for that - unless they took it out of proportions, which i expect alot of the problem is about'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not out of proportion when they are hailing rockets at your cities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Kinda funny how Hamas started the shooting, but western media (at least here in Sweden) didn't report shit until Israel hit back'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then it twisted it to make it sound like Israel started it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a lot of sympathy with Israel, since their state was founded out of terrorism against the British Authorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ended it well :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there are documented killings done by israel dating 3 years ago 2 years ago 1 year ago. This was is not new.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, media is a powerful tool, keeping them in check (or actually independent and dispersed on their opinions) used to be the governments job, truth often isn't of any value though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention the conditions they force on the gaza strip, the blockades, the building on land that doesn't belong to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 're'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I meant the last round.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'there's killings back and forth from the start.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing Israel CANNOT do, is speak from a position of moral highground'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there even is a movie dance with bashir i think is called'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so according to HomerNotGenocide, if the Arabs and or the world were to weed out a lot of the group called the Israelis, that is not genocide -- wow, that strains the credulity'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'talks about the 70ts, they do call it genocide then... maybe now because they figt back they call them terrorirsts'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'new way to call the people defending their land nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'please dont call homer names he did ask you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that depends on the circumstances. Let's say Israel threatened to nuke everyone and what not, and someone else hurled a nuke their way first to stop them, then I wouldn't call that genocide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name "Homer Simpson" is copyright -- and debating (badloy) with that name is abuse of the copyright'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in the 70ts they did called it genocide, well after it happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if however, Iran got their nuke at last and decided "let's pwn israel" then it would be'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"double standard" there by copyright-infringer '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'a lot of countries in that zone has been occupied, whatever decision are been made, is not what the people that was born there wants...  '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but that war israel/palestine is a very old war'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'yes, thousands of years, in a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'israel had money and is friend of the usa, so they can do as they please.. the other side are terrorists and damned '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'justice is dictated by the guys at the top.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(come to IRC undernet, and i shall verbally rip your platform to shreds, as also shall others -- too much censorship here)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you can always be polite and say what you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you dont need to be rude or call names to other people, just because they dont agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone wanna buyin to the pool on who gets nuked next for overuse of drama?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Israel have money and military strength. If they wanted to commit genocide, WAY more palestinias would die'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think israel would want to commit active genocide though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'senseless killing always infringes upon a culture's sense of self'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess self-defense or pre-emptive action can work a bit though, they'd probably be more hesitant than other cultures have been'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''romanized' without much cultural identity etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel? hesitant to violence?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not violence, but systematic slaughter'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt any quicker or slower than the next westernised culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'which would mean not nearly as violent as the muslim arabic culture ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all muslim arabic cultures are violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly just the Sunnhi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'yeah, and Sunnhi are rare.... :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the Saudi's, Qatarians, the ruling party of Bahrain (though not the majority of the people)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'majority of Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'majority of pakistan and afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the ones always hankering for jihad, the destruction of all non-muslims, and the setting up of a global islamic caliphate under Sharia law'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess which side USA allied with?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'USA was too busy worrying about communism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's right! They allied with the murdering Sunnhi's against the minority Shia'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks were they'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if you meant in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'in Iraq, it was the oil I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything since the early 1990s, and especially since 2001'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, I thought you meant also way "back then"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'in the cold war days'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's take a look at the brand of islam present in the two countries USA is threatening now? Syria and Iran'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shia!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only vaguely moderate Islamic countries in the middle east. Go NATO!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'ehm... right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And both of them just happen to be the ones starting most of the problems.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Syria and Iran, beacons of peace?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what war did Iran start?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran attacked iraq 2x'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proxy war russians vs americans, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Iran is supplying Hamas with weapons. They are trying hard to get nukes, and their presindent has said he wants to use nukes against Israel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the whole lets create a nuclear reactor without allowing the world to help out or oversee it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iraq was the aggressor in the 1980-1988 war'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they after the way the west treated them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the iranians wont even allow Russia to control the fuel rods for the reactor to prove they dont want to make weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're fiercely independent, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can call it fiercely independent, I will call it typical whacko islam again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it any different to the USA slipping nukes to Israel against UN resolutions?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have the right to defend themselves against the whacko islamists.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yes, there is one difference. Israel won't use those nukes unless someone else attack first. I wouldn't say the same about Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've always been reserved about syria and iran myself, when i see them mentioned on the news - i wonder why israel couldn't get along with them better without any kind of force'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iran has the right to defend itself from outside aggression, and since USA/UK has FORM'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called MAD, if iran attacks israel, boom, there goes iran also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do seem to want to be reasonable once in awhile'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember seeing a photo of some israeli rabbi's in iran even, talking with one of their leaders - and they weren't hostile to eachother'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were them seeing every country around them being toppled illegally by western forces, i'd be trying to get weaponary too'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but anywats, the sanctions are working....iranian oil production is down 50% and dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran recently signed new oil deals with China and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be fine, America will finally lose patience and invade, illegal or not, or they'll stage something'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they always do'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and we will talk the UK into helping us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gulf of Tonkin etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, and it'll further bankrupt us helping'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and fuel the flames of hatred and so the wheel goes around'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas if we'd all just back off and leave them alone, there'd be no problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? when's the last time a middle east country invaded USA?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we left them alone, Iran would take over the whole region.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the west?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran doesn't have the firepower to do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like Iraq would have done if we hadnt stopped them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh please :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, it was the last time they had the upper hand, I think? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saudi Arabia would have wiped the floor with them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things that concerns me most about the middle east is the idea of seeing everything around me enslaved under islam or communism - by force'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's the kind of scenario i keep in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back during the first gulf war, saudi arabia was weak, iraq would have taken over in a week or less.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like how iraq took over kuwait in a couple days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so looking at the dynamics like tiger's saying about the sunni and shiite, i think the situation should be examined more, who's content to be themselves and who wants to be everybody else etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kuwait is tiny'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so was the saudi military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'saudi arabia is still pretty weak, the us presence aside. The major regional powers there are turkey, iran, israel, and egypt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi's have been spending heavily with british military since the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a very competent and up-to-date airforce'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they buy a lot of weaponry from Sweden, also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'egypt at the time had a sizeable and well-resourced army'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should know, your tax payers dollars paid for most of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'been a lot of debate about us selling weapons to a totalitary regime in our media.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can have the best eq, but if you have questionable professionalism and morale, it'll all melt away at first contact.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -are- a totalitarian regime, Homer'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Sweden? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry no,assumed you were a yank :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Sweden, just a fledgling police state'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately like Norway you have huge natural resources compared to the size of population, so it's one of the few places that a genuinely benevolent socialism can work'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'unlike Norway, we don't have oil. We have a lot of big export companies though, like Ericsson, Volvo, ABB... We have the mines and the woods, sure, but that won't cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for now'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'norway has north sea oil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have huge amounts of landmass, huge scope for hydro energy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Norway on the other hand, handled their shit like shit, and were almost bankrupt until they found oil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they didn't deserve it, then fukkahs! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if the money genuinely does run out, it'll be the ruin of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't remember who the quote was attributed to, but it said "Socialism is all well and good, but one day you run out of other people's money to spend"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost every country in the world has shale oil and gas deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'haha good one :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree sonshi, it's good to have that sense of nationality and mutual responsibility that isn't defaced by fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many gulf state countries have taxation/spending models that are socialist in nature, and it's all that's keeping the population going, but it only works because of the huge oil wealth'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise ther's money which pays off all common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'export the model to somewhere like the UK and goes down like a lead balloon'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What country A does doesn'y apply here because they've more resources than us. B, because they have less. C, because they're smaller. D, because they are bigger. E, because they are more urban, F, because they're more rural...'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing we can learn from other countries!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not many people would consider tens or hundreds or thousands of years into the future, or maybe indefinitely, and see what kind of problems could arise while dispelling them to a reasonable degree, before making their decisions, when there's money to be made'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a deadly flaw of alot of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even me possibly, like the bolt thrower song'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and that people are like that in general is why socialism can't work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'de-secularizing understanding of what goes on and showing people's rationality , trusting in their ability to comprehend views beyond bias (and teaching of common bias, and why they have a contestant), what is available to comprehend is a strategy that could work though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like how many people could become a rocket scientist today, or a scholar of any kind, or pursue some kind of a purpose in life?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not everybody's attracted to knowing it all, but people like to not be lied to by authority'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or purposefully kept stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the arguement of socialism we're working on'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's my understanding of democracy anyways, since birds and tar-covered polar bears can't speak for themselves, people can comprehend those things and deliberate among themselves the consequences and strategies of self-sufficiency'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was a plumber who figured out the way to stop that gulf oil leak'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought they should have tried the modified algae from norway to mop it up though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of that chemical dispersant'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i also noticed they wanted to build a dam in the bering strait in the 1950's, to accellerate the melting of the arctic ocean'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i didn't know that back then but, now it makes a little more sense to me - it's just not agreeable with my priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they "solved' the gulf-oil-spill by not finding where all that gushed oil went - "out of sight, out of mind"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you think they let it keep on pouring?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's another thing i considered, them cracks on the sea floor and things like that were pretty ominous'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably for a science experiment somehow related to climate change.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot poured out before the leak was stopped '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those are normal, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some "idiot" said that the oil simply "dissolved" into the water'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how they make gasoline isn't it?  lake of fire conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they meant dispersed'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'correction (by Hanslanda):  some "idiot" said that the oil simply "dispersed" into the water  '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unbelievable - "dispersed"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spread so thin as to either be undetectable by most applications, legally allowable per agreed-upon safety levels, or unable to be cleaned up due to volume and area constraints (ie, trying to filter the ENTIRE gulf of mexico)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet they are able to detect PCBs in Ocean water'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's worrying that they push those levels instead of staying away from them like a redline on a engine taking you through the middle of the desert'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i heard, last century, that PCBs were for keeps'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they used PCB liquid as an electrical insulator liquid in electricity transmission equipment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and for some reason, they decided to dump a lot of that PCB into the Oceans'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pcb is good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'as long as you don't swollow it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and nuclear waste is good as long as you keep away from the radiation ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those aquatic animals at the top of the food chain were subjected to PCB hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans like to eat fish -- so Humans are also near the top of the PCB food chain '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days, a human seafood gourmet must be careful where the seafood is from, or risk ingesting extra quantities of various dumped pollutants '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pollutants are good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'as long as you don't eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad for animals, bad for karma -- god is eventually going to get angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of chocolate is going to double next year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even peanut butter cups?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll worry about it if i get there'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and why is the price of chocolate going to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has already doubled in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most of the chocolate of the world is grown by slave children in west africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for less than 80 cents a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article once of a south/central american country who wanted to advertise their non-brand name chocolate in canada and wasn't very well received by teh news interviews'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen no problem with the concept going to the people who produce instead of the people who hold stocks in wall street'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some companies like hersheys have been replacing cocoa butter with vegetable oil in their chocolate to keep the price lower, but it changes the flavor and affect of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because the cacao bean is being threatened by climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they going to pay them more, or are the manufacturers going to simply claim that paid somebody more'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing the FDA made a ruling on chocolate though....you can't call it chocolate if it has less than a certain % of cocoa butter in it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they could pay a pretty reasonable amount and still satisfy workers'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'naive '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a matter of trillionairres though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paying the slave-owners does not necessary translate to paying the slave children more'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slave-owners aren't workers'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people-they decide should organize them are though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and usually they don't covet that title above popular vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the exploiters pay the children'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't get me started on displaying how exploitable people are cause they're vulnerable and ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some deception's ok, but when it hinders mortal life not so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'life if i was to say to you the opposite of what i mean, or some combination'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i could exact in you a feeling of hatred'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because i wanted to study it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with you instead of without you though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what you all think of chinese drills off the coast of taiwan simulating invasion every year? '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of ominous but so is america's invasion of other countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in bbc that they was being flanked by chinese subs though, so how independent their invasions was is a question is have'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taiwain isn't america though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i wondered about it,, they seem to get sent wherever they're told'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'France isnt Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if germany conquered france, the red army would have raped both by now'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's the root of communism, (look up who karl marx is) and lenin'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroy_the_old_world_Cultural_Revolution_poster.png get your students to justify it for a study'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always nice to see what defined a people destroyed for unknown progress defined by a foreign ideology'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, but mine's basically obliterated'
T3/r7/2013-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party,_USA The RCP has written that the United States "is a country founded on genocide and slavery" and that the RCP has a "special challenge and responsibility to make revolution, at the earliest possible time, right within the belly of this most powerful imperialist beast." -> thanks to not learning about history more , communism's corpse piles don't matter to them , as they 'learn from the past' -> only countries i read about with active death-camps are communists'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does anybody else find it odd that the allies who fought against the nazi's require training in supplication to the people they apparently saved?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center i guess asking that question's racism to them though'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just noticed this group from a news article http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wiesenthal-list-of-top-anti-semites-triggers-debate-in-germany-a-875774.html which mentioned them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i looked it up, it says 'New York Tolerance Center is a professional development multi-media training facility targeting educators, law enforcement officials, and state/local government practitioners.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one of those things that are seen as sterotypes i guess, but it's a question i have - maybe one of you have some insight into the situation more'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always seems to be some kind of a thought-conformity school in charge of everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not one thing it's another'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'freedom's only ok so long as it's stupid and doesn't ask decent questions - in those cases i guess it's just a matter of placing a virulent halo around the intended consequence'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was training all the politicians and stuff in my non re-education facility i wouldn't be surprised if somebody wondered why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( freedom is an illusion. In a closed system there is no such thing. The Universe is a closed system. )
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok though, call it racism or whatever else, i'm just being a typical moron asking privledged questions that are of a higher species than me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's true, always some kind of a limitation on things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in this world of man though, most of them are enforced by man - that're either subconsciously or directly enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of natural limits like if i jump i probably won't land on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man's world values ignorance alot, so does satan's bible - people who know nothing like computer programs don't realize the potter crushing them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was brought up on the assumption that i'm basically every kind of mental illness on earth, inferior species etc, so i got an excuse why i'm ignorant - people who know better might know less though - like this game can be seen as a bolt thrower song 'the killchain' and a human experimentation without any kind of a non-malevolent purpose'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'studying former human experimentations without non-malevolent purposes and discussing their perpetrators/theoretically or otherwise seemed like a natural things to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you name one concept that hasn't been taken lightly by some mass-media program?  art can include alot of concepts in it that people don't like to look at, but often have to cope with anyways - there's a kind of opinion that the internet transmitting some bad / unwanted concepts could challenge the de-facto standard of thought hailed by their lord, but really what does they find valuable seeing what kind of ordinary disgust is practiced on a daily media basis?  only concepts coming from a low-man, quoted as non-authoritative by himself without a position of authority - but they see it as a challenge to their god-ness, the 'image of the beast' as they put it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is how you shall look at this subject, violation mind control - censorship of thoughts is a pretty ungodly form of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accepting what we don't like is fairly ordinary, some people see different things they don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether imaginary or real, as long as there's no depth to their consideration's it's an ok fiction, because it is controllable by the status quo who isn't as easily swayed as often - add some depth though and then there's the thought-police - because non-intelligence doesn't want to battle the fear with words, as it possibly can't'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and some people before birth even have declared your entire race to be a animal, who hasn't suffered enough, on occasion - this is a problem that i never perpetrated myself, the blind racism / nationalism / secularianism without any room for negotiation, like observation to the contrary - lots of these people settle on faith'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's interesting to see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process.  -- The office was established in 1587 during the reign of Pope Sixtus V and abolished by Pope John Paul II in 1983. This reform changed the canonization process considerably, helping John Paul II to usher in an unprecedented number of elevations: nearly 500 individuals were canonized and over 1,300 were beatified during his tenure as Pope as compared to only 98 canonizations by all his 20th-century predecessors.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the phrase 'gaslighting''
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought it was just a movie with keanu reeves in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gaslighting is a form of psychological torture, but is also a method of media propoganda and spin'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like NDAA, when Obama repeatedly said he wouldn't sign it (despite his lawyers drafting it) then saying when it passed, he'd veto it so there'd be no opposition, then signing it anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the media and government claiming over and over again that they don't want to confiscate guns, then put forward legislation that would do just that, then say "this bill doesn't call for gun confiscation"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or like saying "the 2nd ammendment is about hunting"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like devil's advocate, it's different'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like the Uk government saying that plans to record and monitor everyone's internet activity isn't an invasion of privacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'big brother says it is already done ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government says it, must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'eschelon ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'most sties datamine to some point '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'free gamesits view an active email addy as gold '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it's all spin to buy time imo'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who buying time for what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'for the practice to become entrenched - for holes in opponents arguments to appear and in general to extend the useful life of a fiscally beneficial practice ? is my best guess '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, general point'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz Tiggy I came in late '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, people then get used to the practice'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people catch on and start using it themselves, thinking it's a valid method of debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'delay - difuse - disorientate'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar method, but different to the practice of deliberately misinterpreting an argument and twisting it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'misrepresenting people's view then dissing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(i see that a lot on here)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and then the needy just pile on  becase of percieved weakness'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol yeah '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the needy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you shouldn't make those ridiculous straw man arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and not on this chann either '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to elaborate, vost?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'case in point :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'TzHi Tiggy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm glad '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz to hijack an argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hi Vost :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'long time no joust :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where's Yuna and his crew of screwballs to scream shout and stomp feet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm waiting for R to chann bann me actually :) being so overt '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I am here'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't do whatever it is you aren't supposed to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'but until then I enjoy your company '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'create an alt to escape a chann bann ? nah thats not my style :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you should stop talking'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so where were we at ? or new thread ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thread was finished without contention'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ergo ? new thread ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing new to talk about'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Aww I know you better than that mate '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave it up to you and Vost to expose your bonnet with bees'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Hugo Chavez keel over fully yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Vost - pale moonlight - care to dance ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost sends Thatangel across the dance floor.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz ignorance but Hugo ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok love the "pink tide" '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'coined from a failed tampon commercial ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'modern day Jose Guvara ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i liked Fred Guvara who turned up at Occupy Tavistock complaining that the government had been trying get him to do things using a mind control parrot and ice cream'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and my tampon idea was that whacky ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS bought another 200,000 rounds of ammunition just recently, to add to the 1,600,000,000 rounds they have already purchased since the beginning of 2011'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you a socialist Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the conventional understanding of the word, t'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it's Tz and I think I lean that way too '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok loves n hates of socialism ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern socialism is largely incompatible with freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I think that economic rationalism has left little space for either left or right '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree with that to a large extent, and it's a problem because they've used the crisis as a intellectual straitjacket'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you hark on "state control" ? the antithisis of freedom ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state control, pertaining to central government control as opposed to specifically american state control, is evil and should be minimised as far as pragmatically possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz - unpack your statement fully please ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we see ALL the traffic is the other direction, usually under the auspices of some false premise'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part do you want me to unpack?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the crisis as an intellectual straightjacket - would you speak to that pls ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Thatangel into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah I know '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I was looking for an elequent platform for it and who better to provide one ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the projected left-right paradigm (you know that ideology, even just limited to political ideology cannot be expressed on a single axis, it's multidimensional) over the last 20 years everyone has charged to the 'centre ground' as a means to try and appeal to the most people'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we have a crisis, and regardless of how parties are dressed, they tend to tout the same solutions to the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'LCD lowest common denominator'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't really matter that their solutions will not/have not solved any problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since everyone 'mainstream' is in the 'middle', no alternative solutions will be considered'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ergo, an intellectual straitjacket'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'now take what is left (not Left) but what is now viewed as extremist'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything not considered mainstream is considered extremist, by definition - it's how they justify stifling debate and alternative solutions'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is there anything to be gleaned from any form of it given we have stripped it back and demonized it ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not because it -is- extreme, or wouldn't work, or is bad in any form, it's just not something they want to do and are going to use that label as an excuse not to have to consider it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demonising and ridiculing, we see that a lot - you saw some newpaper in NJ?NYC? publishing the addresses of all gun permit holders in their newspaper (stupid move), so some blogger/hacker released the names and addresses of all the newspaper employees. They didn't like that and had to hire armed guards'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you perhaps miss my point - now we know what is mainstreme and there is no debate - are there any elements of so called extremism we can adopt iyo that would make the situation better ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet some legislators are considering giving newspapers legal backing to publish addresses of gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'like publishing known whereabouts of sex offenders .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never agreed with that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'either , so they DO go to far in freedom of speech .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government publishing 'list' containing private information is not freedom of speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech is a personal freedom, not a corporate one'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fine line if I am individually effected and have the information individually ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in response to your point about alternative approaches - somewhat irrelevent question given the vice-like grip that the criminals have on the system'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'corporations are considered individuals though, i read somewhere, why corporations can own other corporations and things like that, possibly similar to plausible deniability concept, which imaginary person will pay for this?  (at least this is one way i think of it)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy I respect you too much to chase in circles , perhaps we will stick to one line of thought in a future converstaion ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am sorry to have been so unfocused '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK where I live, the start of a solution would be pull out of the EU, get a written constitution and bill of rights, re-evaluate all existing laws and systems against this puropse and abolish/combine/keep as required'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive simplification of tax system and government machinery'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the US? take a leaf out of Ron Paul's book, push control most stuff from the feds back to the States. Abolish unconstitutional laws like the NDAA, abolish a bunch of crook departments like TSA, DEA, DHS. Abolish the CIA and roll it's function into the Military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of foreign wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick the troops on the Mexican border if you feel the need to keep them occupied'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for Australia? Arrest Al Gore and abolish carbon taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a hold of China buying up all your resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate needs new blood'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA, new federal law will ban the production and sale of 75W light bulbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they like to write pointless law dictating how you run your life'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already did it here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what justification are -they- giving? green credentials/environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda despite the fact that people will naturally buy energy saving lightbulbs as the technology improves and the price comes down'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus making legislation entirely unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting developments in the John McAfee case'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"Everything that is connected to fascism should be wiped off the face of the earth. No one should even know that place ever existed," Solovyov told Izvestia. http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/russian-mp-wants-to-buy-and-destroy-hitler-house-in-braunau-a-866737.html -- this comes from a lawmaker, in the worldwide legacy of thoughtcrimes and cult of personalities prevalent in communist nations, which are apparently less evil'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see how erasing the real history of things makes anything better'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the victors write the history, chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.whoismcafee.com/a-clear-and-present-danger/ bt'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be interesting to see what he puts out there'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's only a building though, nothing wrong with destroying a building reflectively - it's suppressing the truth of history and fighting battles with force instead of comprehension that bothers me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't erase history if i was in charge of some kind of a war, i'd explain why the war was fought and show my way being better than theirs'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, always nice to hide things though when they're uncomfortable - the violent nature surrounding history and question is pretty suspect though - maybe they're not sure they're right either'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about teaching people about the dynamics of fascist psychology so they don't fall prey to the same intellectual (or anti) devices?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like that, if they're not using them then they shouldn't need to hide them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well. impractical - you are not going to be able to single-handedly, simultaneously change the way that proganda in the media and in government-mandate teaching is used worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course not, but it's a question that highlights their approach to things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is at a local level'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not into running cults or thinking i know it all'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of my knowledge is in the form of questions and inquiry's'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-admits-enslaving-and-abusing-a-generation-of-children-2159589.html is interesting to consider, ' Between 1945 and 1970, the worst educational practices of the Nazi era continued virtually unabated in these barrack like foster homes. ' with ' One victim, who refused to be named, recalled in a radio interview this week that a standard foster home punishment for talking at night was being made to stand naked in an unheated corridor until a freshly lit new candle had burned itself out. "It meant standing naked all night," he said. ''
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine the punishment for not standing would be pretty nazi-era too, what do you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Vost for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what spam?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tough to feel sorry for history sometimes, especially when you didn't have a hand in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what happened to the parents of the children, how long their candles burned for'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tough to imagine how much of a coward you'd have to be to let your kids be treated like that, or to 'procreate' in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , likely they didn't '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'typically if your kid is in a foster home it's because you didn't want them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't go into much of a lengthly question mark, but here's another thing i noticed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9781976/Angela-Merkel-pictured-with-blacked-up-children.html (typo): http://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956180/criminals-see-their-victims-as-less-than-human While the architects of the Final Solution were busy implementing their lethal program of racial hygiene, the Russian-Jewish poet and novelist Ilya Ehrenburg was churning out propaganda for distribution to Stalin's Red Army. These pamphlets seethed with dehumanizing rhetoric: they spoke of "the smell of Germany's animal breath," and described Germans as "two-legged animals who have mastered the technique of war"  "ersatz men" who ought to be annihilated. "The Germans are not human beings," Ehrenburg wrote, "... If you kill one German, kill another  there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses."'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost freaks out, screaming "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'walt disney's education of evil cartoon portrayed germany according to the (pearl harbour witness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZCgbXxlVuE mentions that the planes looked like their own except when they seen the rising sun on the wings) views of also a jewish author (possibly bolshevik conspiracy theories) so it seems like they were instrumental in the cause of ww2 somehow'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's seen the very ideology that people hate the nazi's for, except is it really theirs?  at least it seemed to be shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's seen the very ideology that people hate the nazi's for, except is it really theirs?  at least it seemed to be shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the thing about the nazis that made them different is that they were able to very effectively ignore the embargoes AND were able to win handily (which doesn't really happen, ever, if all you're doing is depending on technology).'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some articles on the Stasi too, not sure what west germany had in it - but the stasi liked to take children away from disparaging parents of nonconformity, or for fun maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the USA does that now, as does the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN child sex trafficking is alive and well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice the media is putting out pieces about flu'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they're going for a "scare people into taking flu shots"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legally, don't need to report deaths from the flu for anyone age 18 or older'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's essentially a big advertising campaign for the vaccine vendors. They don't care if it doesn't really work'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you so sure it doesn't really work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, effectiveness studies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you probably never had the flu, then, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it reduces your odds of getting flu by 9%. Tey only give it to risk groups here because they know it screws up your immune system'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i've had flu'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'getting a flu shot doesn't make you sick.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually gettinga  flu shot can very easily make you sick'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, that stopped happening about 15-20 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still happens now'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Studies show that in older people who do not live in a care facility, the flu vaccine can cut the risk of hospitalization (for flu and pneumonia) by 30% to 70%.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're getting your flu boost via a needle, you cannot ever get the flu from it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a flu epedemic most winters, just like there's always a novoro virus spike this time of year'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the elderly are a risk group'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use a dead virus in those, and your body doesn't fight invasions of dead viruses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they use varies from brand to brand'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you get your booster via a nasal spray, that's live.  You could potentially get sick from that, but in its weakened state it's only even remotely likely for anyone with a compromised system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a gigantic cash cow'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not because it's ineffective.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's exaggerated'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a cash cow because the flu virus is basically the horny rabbit of the pathogen world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the nasal spray boosters are probably safer than all the others'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, if you're fit and healthy and have a good diet, flu vaccines are pretty pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Pointless, no.  But you're correct in that they are not as necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would depend on your particular life.  Healthcare would need them more, even when fit and healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your average desk jockey wouldn't, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even vital for medical staff except maybe on a preservation of service front'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Not vital, but the potential benefits sure as hell outweigh the potential drawbacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like about balanced to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrat Representative Jose Serrano has submitted to committee a resolution to repeal 22nd ammendment to allow Obama to have unlimited stints as president'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly sod'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'chance of it passing while obama is still in office 0.00000000000000001%'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitutional ammendments require 66% majority, i believe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'snopes claims he's proposed the same amendment every 2 years since 1997, including the 8 years bush was in office'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy is clearly a retard'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'something like that, and then 2/3rds of the state have to ratify it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's good reason for having that ammendment, and Russia shows you why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no doubt.  Hell, I'd like to see term limits on congressmen too'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we got amendment after FDR held the office for a long time and most people still like him.  The term limit for president is a good idea. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ageed'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have that issue here - don't have presidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There is no libertarian voice in congress anymore now that RP has gone'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/business/despite-new-health-law-some-see-sharp-rise-in-premiums.html?hp&_r=3&'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'toilet paper of record, no less'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://myfox8.com/bid'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poll finds american students more narcissistic than ever before'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, congress passed $67 billion per year in pork with the tax bill on friday.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's all?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think your parliament is about as competent as the UK's'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, thats all :('
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, "in"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe Congress is finally kicking that spending habit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by "not reducing spending"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not really.....it extended programs that already existed.....congress was looking for a way to extend them without doing a new bill to extend them...the taxbill was a convenient bill to attack the pork to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'attach even'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about they shave off some billions off the U.S. military budget? Why not cut THAT kind of spending?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'baby steps, Tiger, baby steps'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe UK law prevents unrelated things being tagged onto bills, perhaps the US should look at that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would stop them trying to sneak gun bans onto unrelated things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But then they would have to work for their salary. :('
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to work for their salary? sack em'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of doing nothing for most of the year, and then passing a bill on the last day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're confusing not doing anything with being unable to come to an agreement on what to do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't just sit around eating Cheetoz 'til the last day of the year (or rather, the first day of the new year).'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the supreme court said the line item veto was unconstitutional.....:(  That is how clinton controlled certain spending programs while raising taxes on the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame the supreme court can't get their arse into gear over other unconstitutional things like FISA, and NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're just as badly infiltrated by incompetents, plants, and retards as the houses are'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they had a valid point, though.  With line-item veto, you'd be giving the executive branch the ability to make laws by way of editing out the parts they didn't want to sign off on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't allow your executive to edit'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allow them to veto or send back with comments'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't rocket surgery'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't allow them to edit.  When Clinton was in office, they got the line-item passed but that didn't last long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what they do now, tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'certain governors have the ability still, however.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, it's pretty normal for states'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'medical errors caused nearly 17 times as many deaths in the US last year than firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ban the doctors not the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Portugal PM calls for an end to the EU/IMF troika insisting on higher taxes as they are resulting in lower tax revenue and declining output'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-2013/123380-global_warming-0/'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'hehe pravda'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an amusing piece that characterises western policy quite well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amuses me as much as the reaction you always get when you post a link to a media source that isn't a left-wing USA tabloid'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if they're the most reliable unbiased sources in the known universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why isn't Pat Buchanon dead yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rachel Maddow does look like the stereotypical man-hating lesbian....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's not dead yet because we have juicier targets to shoot at like Gabriel Giffords and random schoolchildren.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was hoping old age would take him'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, there are worse out there :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i'm warming to Pat now ;_)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but Rachel Maddow can go to hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crazy affirmative action loving tit monkey'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists have devised a new method of cooling down antimatter to make it easier to experiment on than ever before.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We didn't start the fire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Final Countdown -- Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DO DO DOOO DOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DUH DUH DO DO DOOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DO DO DOOO DOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DUH DUH DO DO DO DO DOOOOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the hair bands.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Motley Crue is the best'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DEF LEPPARD'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but actually, Van Halen pioneered the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Used to love sitting in Art class in high school and listening to hair bands in the late 80s.....Cinderella, Babylon A.D, or Queensryche, plus many more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Babylon A.D is a band that should have gone far, but didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I tell you what, Kip Winger could actually shred'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What about Anvil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no matter what Mike Judge thought of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Winger was good also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ah-ha a huge one hit wonder group.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh A-ha.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A Flock of Seagulls helped create the synth pop revolution, and the use of synthesizers in music.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tears for fears are great in that vein'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mad World is Tears for Fears best song in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All you need is now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Randa Slim, a research fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington, said Assad's made clear he has no intention of making way for a political transition. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/01/06/syria.html so is google in on the non-search engine business now?  'U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a statement that Assad's speech was "yet another attempt by the regime to cling to power and does nothing to advance the Syrian people's goal of a political transition."' -> interesting, article seemed reasonable to me though, he wanted to speak to the 'revolution's idea' instead of subordinates -> too bad people always want to go to war so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know them though, just what i read in the news and looked up on the google'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be hell there though, i don't know - most places with a government sure resemble it, they know what's best'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-hanna-rosin-on-the-new-gender-crisis-a-875639.html the 'dear leader' progress the ancestors fought for, too bad the luddites were obsoleted before the future'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them fought against it, so it's not all bad in hindsight'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crazy, In December 2004 he introduced the controversial term "Köttberg" ("Mountain of meat") to describe the baby boomer generation (born in the 1940s) during a speech. This speech addressed the potential pension bomb Sweden is facing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4r_Nuder  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20622289  1951  The Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution, limiting Presidents to two terms, is ratified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_27 http://www.examiner.com/article/presidential-term-limits-bill-reintroduced-to-repeal-22nd-amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'commy/seems lots of jews like to be commies, marx was one - mao was inspired by him and lenin, who inspired north korea who google's having interviews with and changing their chinese censoring software to conform to the economic opportunity (possibly this is only an ideology of jews, and they're not all malevolent people)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'skull and bones, you can see alot of these 3 varieties of people, tracing their origins, to interconnection with several undesirable situations in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'extremist muslims're pretty bad too though, sometimes it seems they work together, however the catholics are unaffiliated with things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another grouping that has alot of influencial people in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just notice what is there to be noticed, if you see otherwise then what is it, they just kind of greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever kind of wolves they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Old Right' is more the kind of nationalism that defends against them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually that's considered socialism i guess, but that's been subverted by communists - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29  is a branch of American conservatism that was most active in the early 20th Century and opposed both New Deal domestic programs of the 1930s and U.S. entry into World War I and World War II. .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-imperialism ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess germany exporting it's elderly http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes isn't to Köttberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4r_Nuder as obviously is implied by the people who run things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tracing their origins, the relatively small numbers puppetting the many'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can always say they took me by surprise though, because they think they're sneaky and i wouldn't want to upset them on their beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mock terror, who's offended by they're still there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'huddle around my sensititivities'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting choice for Defence secretary'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WT reports Obama Supporters shocked and angry at new tax increases'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fantastic strapline: "Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command."'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he seems to have some 'old right' ideas, but http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/chuck-hagel-big-problem-realist-iran?intcmp=239 i noticed he's inspired by a 1907 nebraska person in the article - http://cnsnews.com/news/article/iran-reminds-students-anti-americanism-national-and-religious-duty so the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee kind of stuff will be something to behold -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29 that's why i thought he was an interesting person'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen some articles about cold-war era soviet preaching in iran and things like that in various places'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably a move designed at pissing off the GOP, since Hagel isn't exactly a GOP favourite'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hagel -was- critical of Iraq invasion, but he's been a stooge ever since'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm naturally repelled by cult-of-personality, people who think they're too holy, the bloodstained concept of communism - i would have liked to be born in a non-zealot world'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you weren't, so best make the best of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retail gun and ammo shortages are being reported across america due to overwhelming demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://banoosh.com/2013/01/07/bolivia-says-us-meddles-in-its-affairs/'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'priceless'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and fresh off the back of pissing off their voters who work, democrats eye an additional $1 trillion in extra taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US meddles in a bunch of South American affairs, Ranoosh, attempted coupe in Venezuela, attempted coup in Ecuador'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fast and Furious gun running to Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we're hearing evidence of Belize giving passports out to Hezbollah militants that are bedding in with the drugs traffickers to get access to the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a demagogue (aka also some zealots) that says wants to be born in a world that without zealots (aka also some demagogues) -- sounds like a contradiction or a disease wanting to infect the nondemagogue nonzealot worlds -- also seems a case of demagogue egocentricity and megalomania perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately Obama picks Brennan for CIA Head, despite all the bad shit he did working there under B ush'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like whatever freud interprets your dreams as, remember the details'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'So, a lying, torture endorsing executioner who expressly believes that spying on the American people and detention without trial are sound government policies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'egocentric demagogues are annoying twerps'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'egocentric demagogues are annoying twits ? (except twitter provided respectibility to "twits")'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think is a demogogue?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think he's a demagogue and trying to project himself onto others, like other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diane feinstein is a demogogue'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, "twerper" for "twerps" to "twerp" (and provide internet "respectibility?" to twerps)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piers morgan is a demogogue'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of a hypocrite church mayhap, who gets by in the world through deception and guaranteed subservience'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is a closet republican ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, a closet communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans are closet fascists'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans are not socialists, so republicans are worse than fascists, and by extension, worse than Nazis'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't follow that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is because you Tigernuts are a closet republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wish'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a closet republican posing as an alleged libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your trolling back to IRC :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'IRC is the big boys debating club! .. (Come to IRC while qsitting) ..  [maybe only the "wannabe" big boys debating club, when compared to actual interaction in actual politics and actual news media)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if that's the level of interaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well just go around calling people gay'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'an unmoderated debate tends to turn immature. I don't see why anyone except a troll would want to come to irc to talk to you Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nah, call them "homosexual" when they are obviously homosexual, (not gay); (or "gay" when there is yet doubt)  '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and troll when...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article once about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8077326/Bill-Clinton-lost-vital-White-House-nuclear-codes.html '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.... their name is Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what the odds of those being re-secured are, if they're non-communist/affiliates in control of them, or other religious extremist groupings'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you be flooded out by other more vocal trolls (if you were looking for Zade) (Zade be sitting back munching the virtual popcorn) (in another channel)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen china parading some around on a website the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got them on trucks or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, popcorn Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost anything said on IRC is going to be challenged (unless in a "preaching-to-the-choir" room, or a "dead-or-inane" room)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'finding "lively" rooms, that is the first IRC task'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'farting on them is your second IRC task?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/nuclear.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'found it on wiki or google search'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, give us a shout if a debate starts'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the 'sum of all fears' was a nazi getting revenge being the bad guy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chwmosh, was the movie produced by jews or those seeking to please jews -- that may explain the plot bias with regard to "a nazi getting revenge being the bad guy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the bad guy is your interpretation ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The avg mpg of vehicles in the US is up to 23.8 mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you spelled it chwmosh on purpose, in order to deciminate yourself from the bolt thrower's of the future'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similarly, Wikipedia is pro-jewish (as per your prior observation (or complaint?)), since the founder is likely jewish, a lot of the funding is likely jewish, a lot of the *educated* contributors and editors are likely jewish -- if you want to contribute to Wikipedia with a (nonjewish?) opinion, you better smarten up and get educated'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, that was a typo, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, and you claimed to be a soviet the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't*'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't need log files to remember things, unlike you who only works for death-panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to "smarten up" and get an "education", you may require to debate against those that are able and willing to challenge the inaccuracies you (attempt to) spout here on aard-debate -- hence the IRC suggestion'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get educated, how come i could uncover so many designs that nobody's education could discover, since i looked'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says alot about paying your jewish overlords to learn'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even (especially) the "idiots" on IRC are able to provide "imnnovative" examples of how to poke flaws (using ludicrous inane (often deliberately) flawed logic) in a "platform" a wannabe author is attempting to describe'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who want to be authors think their words are worth money and they're of non-delusional intellect'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and imagination'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'me, i don't care at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all i react to is your projected judgements sometimes, but that's because you attempt to encompass me in your speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i do it verbally instead of burning down churches and things that others might have done, like hunting aliens for stephen hawking on CNN'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'xxxx tells you 'Why are you even attempting to reason with Chemosh?' -- Chemosh is what is called a "(fools?) goldmine" on IRC in dying debate chasnnels -- Chemosh is an excuse to debate (against the innacuracies posted by Chemosh) -- mine that iron pyrite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, fools like painting faces black for cultural values who didn't suffer enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can smell the kind of person sending zade tells without even smelling them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vocal honest nontroll nutters are able to be a valuable resource on IRC in initiating debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty dangerous aren't they, but they're flimsy like a loon'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 38 mpg hyundai elantra for 2013 is nice....the base model has air conditioning and automatic transmission now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much is the cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the elantra rust resistant or a projected rust bucket'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my 8yr old Astra gets 47mpg'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why buy something less efficient?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/Overlord.html is interesting, i wonder if it's authentic, i was looking if anybody mentioned jewish overlords before and that website popped up'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'because in america, fuel is cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd just mean i spent even less on fuel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yes, and that's why I don't even own a car ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You also spent more for your car in the UK than US people do for the same car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't walk the 56 mile round trip to work every day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'or, mostly because I dont need one'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe, i got it used'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$8000 at 3yrs old'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if you ride 56 miles every work day, then I see why fuel efficiency is a big matter for you ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Allies also coordinated with the French Resistance, but did not give them too much information for fear that the organization might be compromised by traitors. The resistance helped disrupt German lines of communication and sabotaged vital bridges and railways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'odd, the bad hitler resisted by the french who the allies suspected didn't want to resist'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that do not drive much (the retired) are more concerned about durability, reliability, safety, cheapness to maintain and repair, vehicular(long)lifespan, insurance costs, (not worried about fuel costs)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And they kept the wine flowing....that is the more important aspect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Churchill and Roosevelt were hesitant because they believed any attempt to land troops in Western Europe would result in heavy casualties. Stalin, however, didn't trust his allies, and feared they might sign a peace agreement with Adolf Hitler and, perhaps, turn their attention to crushing the communist system in the Soviet Union. Stalin also knew that it would be difficult for his troops to defeat the Germans without the United States fighting them in Europe. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/Overlord.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still prefer my natgas car.....$1.67 per gallon of natgas equiv.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A local shop wants $1800 to convert my dodge ram truck to natgas though....but I am really leaning towards doing it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, i.e., the system of individual political assassinations, as being a method of political struggle which is most inexpedient at the present time, diverting the best forces from the urgent and imperatively necessary work of organisation and agitation, destroying contact between the revolutionaries and the masses of the revolutionary classes of the population, and spreading both among the revolutionaries themselves and the population in general utterly distorted ideas of the aims and methods of struggle against the autocracy.  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin doesn't it seem like the only revolutions which succeed in the media, or even in immediate view, are repulsive and very exclusive, which derives support for the government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else like he's saying, very shallow, not well felt/believed or understood - and if so, not given the same media?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Grover Cleveland, 22nd president, was the first one to leave the country while in office.  But he didn't really go anywhere: while on a fishing trip he sailed into international waters three miles off the U.S. coast and came right back.''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so like that ww2 overlord meeting which provided the cold war and possible eventual worldwide false-revolutions, could have been prevented too possibly, depending what stimulants they had'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that old right political idea's though, they make more sense from a leading a nation perspective'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'posts that exceed 948 bytes are annoying'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pants that exceed 33 inches are annoying.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Herbert Hoover was the first president to have a telephone in his office.  Earlier, presidents who wanted to use a phone had to use the one in the hall.' - possibly this is part of the reason for the mass-technological exodus in the world, since that was probably a measure to put the president in earshot of his non-absolute power'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the text editor here complains when reloading lines exceeding 1000 bytes'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'flimsy reason for a "mass-exodus", and reeks of verbal diarrea'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a natgas Dodge Ram 1500 would be cool.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, depending how much you think of it, it can be as convincing a reason as the next level that it's a part of'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ridiculous conjectures spread ignorance among children and the uneducated '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stupid weather alert.....flash flood warning, but there is not a rain cloud within 100 miles.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meltwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas doesnt get meltwater.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'glacial melting by global warming is that bad that flood-warnings are happening ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you should teach them better then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get those arroyo flood things, don't you.  Dry as an old lady's snatch all year long, then an ocean bungie jumps in from a rolling black cloud.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe a watermain broke, or a drilling geyser spouted'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe Texas got so big it's starting to sink?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The north american continent is slowly rising, not sinking. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a dam collapse is sure to cause a local flood down river'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like in that sci-fi book titled Flood, where the Earth sprung a leak and the continents sank.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and where did the water go ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a new dam built and started is sure to cause local flooding up river'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it went up.  It came from inside the Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so it evaporated ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sub-crustal reservoirs that generated steam that lubricated the tectonic plates as they moved.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if religious folk and their yokel children believe in the OT, they are likely to find those fiction books and movies of "Flood"s credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they didn't evaporate.  Events like megadrilling into the crust and climate change caused fissures to open up that let the reservoirs escape.  Earth quite literally sprung a leak.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the crustal water was under pressure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, the tectonic plates were sitting on them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'normal water wells have little pressure I think.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some religious folk believe that the Noah Flood waters that covered Mount Everest actually sank into the ground - almost unbelievable that some religious folk are able to be that ignorant (in science) '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I thought tectonic plates sit on top of molten rock.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the top of everest was once under the sea'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it will be again someday....everest is sinking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there IS some water down there.  Where do you think the geysers come from?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some daft people think government SHOULD have a monopoly on power'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and water is the universal lubricant...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the geysers in Yellowstone were formed because the magma caldera is close to the surface....and someday will explode and cover north america with feet of ash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overdue, geologically, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, could happen anytime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's been like 2 eruptions in the last million years, so it's really hard to say when the next will be due'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheery thought'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'overdue in the sense that it should have happened by now, not that doom rushes down upon us with ever-increasing speed the longer it goes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shame really, because it's not north america that -has- the population crisis'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and there's a lot of evidence that it won't actually erupt, but more kind of ooze, I guess you could say'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'euw'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when Yellowstone kablooies, it won't be just a NA problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if we started extracting thermal energy from the yellowstone caldera though ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooze like an old socialists' fadge'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm not a geologist :D  so i don't know the techinical term, but people think it'll blow up like it does in the movies, but it's more likely to be a less dramatic release'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, you never know, it could go off like it has twice before'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it all depends on what kind of magma is down there, what sort of mixing is occurring, and how full the chamber already is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the thing is, I forget how many there are, but there's other supervalcanoes in the world to worry about, Yellowstone doesn't have the monopoly on that one'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so chances are it could just ooze out magma like the hawaiian hotspot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, and I'm kind of reaching back in my memory, but I think most of the eruptions at Yellowstone have really been very small'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'supervolcanoes could kill us like 30 times over'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, if one went off in the worst way, it'd get bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think russia back off of helping syria, and those lobbiests are all over it, maybe it'd be a good idea to listen to what they have to say '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and the worst part of it is that most of us would starve to death as opposed to being blown to smithereens'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course 'they' is a revolution to the media, so it's hard to see what syria danny's up to'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just thinking back a few lines to the overlord again'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's not really any such thing as a small supervolcano.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution is brewing in Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but there's multiple ways for the pressure to be released'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to be able to tap into all that thermal energy though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Sunnhi's want to take over, surprise, and no coverage in the western media, just like Bahrain where the Shia majority are being put down hard by the police'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hooking up your furnace to a volcano is a really bad idea, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even made crappy syfy movies about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, isn't it Iceland that is something like 80% geothermal when it comes to domestic energy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and even in the states, there's places where people will use geothermal energy to heat their houses'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, iceland is mostly thermal energy from a hotspot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iceland also has around 17 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not a hotspot.....the midatlantic ridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but they still do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you're right, their location and small size make it much easier to utilize'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iceland is slowly getting bigger because the midatlantic ridge splits it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sidewalks in Iceland's capital have underfloor heating'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love geothermal energy....wish we used more of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hawaii could be completely powered by geothermal if we wanted to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska has a nice geothermal hotspot near Fairbanks.....found diamonds up there also because of the hotsprings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a resort is completely powered by geothermal springs up there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hawaii has the thermal energy, but not the structure to take advantage of it.  All of the hawaiian islands are slowly falling apart.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'falling apart in what way?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the groundwater is washing away the island rock as it seeps through.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best knock down Obama's golf course and abandon the place then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the thing is, and I'd have to double check, but there's a lot more places that could utilize geothermal energy for their heating, and cooling.  Even if it's not in a place where you could generate much electricity, even tapping to that type of resource for residential use could go a long way in reducing reliance on coal and oal for heaing (and gas).'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll save you a few million dollars a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the largest tsunamis in history happened in hawaii when part of an island collapsed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, oil, but I think you knew what I mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Obama used the autopen again, I thought I was going to have to drag my wife out of the resteraunt we were at when she saw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought she was going to start cussing and screaming'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'cause she hates him'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, she's not as daft as you think then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but she can get embarassing when she gets on a roll'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't have an Obamafone, then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it bigger than the tsunami that flattened the Alaskan coastline to a height of like 600 meters?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what obama and his friends were looking at on their laptop in their photo shoot'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'him, 2 black guys and some smiling white guys with some white women by the door'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were busy photoshopping his birth certificate'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, that made me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cheaply photoshopped porn of Condi's Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black guy on his left had his eye on white guy to his right'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love energy in general...regardless of how it is produced, especially coal...but I want the emissions of coal power plants to feed algae farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course it would, you're too slick like that guy on haiti in the serpent and the rainbow, is that it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a commie asking for justice , that would be a first'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a jew asking for justice - another irony'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think more people should utilize the constant temp of the earth 4 feet down to help heat and cool their homes and buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did razkin just indicate a death-threat on me by america, or was he signing something else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that constant temperature is utilised, perhaps that temperature won't remain as constant'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was speaking as thought he is on behalf of the authority of it's president'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in his presence as he signs his pen to something he said'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the problem is that not all areas are suitable for basement living.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(did Razkin mention you be name or are you confessing to be a target)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house in plano texas has no basement, but I still utilize geothermal energy to offset energy used by the air conditioning in the summer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just assume like the bolt thrower song 'the killchain' that it's subversive or predictable subject matter is the purpose of the internet and all the dissident thoughts i shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, thermal energy that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could take it as a subliminal threat on behalf of the president, whereas i could ignore other's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the house has 6 loops around it of pipeline for the air to cool before it gets to the air conditioning intake to be cooled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the staid normal folk here did not listen to the "boltthrower song" lyrics, so the song reference is Chemosh gibberish'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause  is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest, etc. when criminal charges are being considered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the pipe is 5-6 feet down in the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if "probable-cause" is extended, then a police-state may result '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else the rationalization of a perceived threat, which the officer does on behalf of the general public, which isn't allowed to see that he's their enemy on occasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the gulag in the jewish history of the nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gulag is a soviet word'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and america's a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, kind of dropped out of the conversation, I promised my wife I'd do the dishes >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cost $3800 with federal and power company credits to install the thermal loop system, and reduced my summer AC bill by 40%.....in a place with bigger temp shifts in the winter...it could also be used for heating the air.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I was refering to the fiscal cliff bill that he autopenned :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'North America is a far better safer location for loudmouth nutters than (say) the other continents'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, in those places the most brutal and efficient killers who have access to the means, or the privledged families which operate outside the boundaries of the law and pass on every job you can imagine, including executioner in some kingdoms, are the only loudmouths around'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'loudmouth is anything the nazi's get offended at in the non-gulag police state of relic'd victory'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stand there until that candle burns you loudmouth '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) Tigernuts is in Britain, note that Tigernuts is more "informed" with (somewhat more) accurate information (since Britain likes to censor inaccurate demagogues) than a wannabe demagogue from (say) Alberta Canada (where Canadian laws are more tolerant of inconsequential vocal local yokel inaccuracies)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is freer than the USA in some topics, though the first amendment of the USA does permit USAtans to be more intolerant and prejudiced in speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USatans -- a word to describe those of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  who defines prejudice is watching my candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is attempting to spread the firebug disease by overusing "candle" (use of candles is a dangerous practice)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge of candles is anti-semitic propaganda for people who didn't suffer enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what could presume from your presence here'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's all in what my intentions were, and on the opposite end of racism is where i started'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more gibberish by Chemosh, since that last post by Chemosh on "knowledge of candles as anti-semitic" is inane false and bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you project flaws into my meaning, which is clear, and feign ignorance or exasperation with too many words, as though a text-based game isn't read attempting to destabilize my message with your hate-psychology'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't consider what it means, only rarely, you consider deliverance'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i seen my friend in cambodia once, i didn't assume he was there by choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's that vietnamese german politician too, they're another people i kept in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh repartees are being clouded by angered ego and turning to gibberish -- those that prefer to debate accurately reduce their overbloated pride, and mostly debate the topic, (not be distracted and misdirected to excessively answering the percieved ad hominems) '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your mind must be smaller than mine if you can't keep pace with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a good retard, have another'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"quality is often superior to quantity" (when sufficient amounts of both are present)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many haiku's did i write you today'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant - not Japanese '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you believe a person has to be perfect before speaking'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe we should nirvana then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe you're a traditional fascist, 'if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'testing how real freedom is is a good test, as goethe said'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the intent to be as accurate concise and decent as possible in important things (speech) is a prelude to great oratory"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''for none is more hopelessly enslaved than a people falsely believing themselves free''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have more respect for goethe than marx'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews character assassinate him'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sabotaging the minds of the children and uneducated (with inaccurate flawed gibberish) is a "bad test", not a "good test", of the freedom of speech '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sabotaging the minds of people is a crime perpetrated by the mass media, educational system, wage-slavery, (many) religions and the government itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes people do so unwittingly, sometimes malevolently (but this is more rare)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually those who do so malevolently fan finely tune their content to a particular intellect set'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that makes it a polemic form of arguement, and you can observe some very volatile philosophy's practice actively by prominent people called 'polemic', and i'm not one of those'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like some associates of malcolm x for instance, can't get much more supportive of racism and corruption than them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bank of America has frozen the account of American Spirit Arms (a gun manufacturer) claiming "We believe you should not be selling guns and parts on the Internet"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not them, i don't hurt anybody or participate in group activities leading to harm, on a religious, racist or selfish scale'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those're called cults and things like that, but they're what you're telling me i am anyways, and that's not me'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they do that to another gun company earlier?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you want to see if there is "freedom of speech": speak accurately concisely and controversial, so that those in (self-appoined) authority are more likely to scrutinise you when they perceive that you are no longer an inconsequential vocal local yokel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, hans, silly corporates'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opens up the market to patriot banks, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to remain inconsequential, i don't have any delusions of grandeur or would participate in any form of them, by choice or mass-media mockery'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that there are any, since they're all globalist owned'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think i could validly refute any claims brought against me, like a lawyer - intellectually, the violence initiative is based on what is considered instigable, and that varies like a nazi's candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet some smaller banks are drooling over the potential new customer, pending the unfreezing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole banking sector is sewn up, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gibberish babbling into the loud breeze is viewed by benign authority as an irrelevant nutter'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's an entirely different ballgame among the smaller players.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we'll see'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is clearly going after big corps to back his unconstitutional gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA and Commerce flat-out told around a third of their existing customers earlier this year to GTFU out of their banks because they were the kind of customer they didn't want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the demagogue speaks accurately concisely coherently controversially and gains followers -- that is when the authorities may take notice (and perhaps do something)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from that viewpoint, speaking incoherently may be viewed as an act of cowardice (and or ineptness)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"until you gain followers, you are not playing with the big boys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"even if you gain followers, even then you may not yet be playing with the big boys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(however, the big boys may be watching (or not), looking for recruits, or targets)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watching you two is like watching people argue in a foreign language'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"How to be a successful author for Dummies"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a skit involving Jeff Corwin or that dead croc guy from Oz rolled through my mind seeing them two banter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, i was right, Hagel heads up the globalist (Rockefeller funded) Atlantic Council, that works closely with those other fantastic organisations, the RAND Corporation, The Trilateral Commissiona and the Council on Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you mean, as long as people's followers fit within the guidelines of http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin acceptable revolution, then the big boys feel satisfied on their white horses'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of Hagel's opposition to attacking Iran, he is portrayed by the right as a racist and an anti-semite'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving that the right are every single bit as fuckwitted as the left'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Class-action suit against the "BoA and Commerce" for violating the rights of Americans in regard to the 2nd Amendment ! ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the right to bear arms has no bearing on a bank's decision to freeze assets of a company providing a product or service they disagree with.  They'll be sued (or at least threatened) for sure, but it'll probably be commerce-related.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some extremely racist jews like(d) Vlad Lenin, because the red revolution, Lenin, Stalin, and the Commiczars, murdered a lot of the Tsarust regime, and did a lot of genocide during the soviet oppression'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aff'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vlad Lenin was an abomination, and what Lenin did was unacceptable (even if somebody on Wikipedia is lauding the red october revolution as "accepable") -- so don't throw Wikipedia at others as though they believe Wikipedia as gospel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Lenin was not "acceptable"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if you (Chemosh) believe that there is an active "god", maybe the "holocaust" of WWII was karmic payback against the jews for aiding assisting abetting the red october revolution and the genocides (holodomor, etcetera) that resulted from Lenin and Marx and jewish involvement'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why do you think like that zade?  if i have a faith in a god why would i make it's usefulness subordinate to revenge on some perceived criminals in the world?  taht's how king james daemonology's pacts with satan are similar to'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also another quote from that wiki page fits into your way of seeing things for me, I am not fond of the Germans by any means but at the present time it is more advantageous to use them than to challenge them. An independent Poland is very dangerous to Soviet Russia: it is an evil which, however, at the present time has also its redeeming features'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also another quote from that wiki page fits into your way of seeing things for me, I am not fond of the Germans by any means but at the present time it is more advantageous to use them than to challenge them. An independent Poland is very dangerous to Soviet Russia: it is an evil which, however, at the present time has also its redeeming features; for while it exists, we may safely count on Germany, because the Germans hate Poland and will at any time make common cause with us in order to strangle Poland. ... Everything teaches us to look upon Germany as our most reliable ally. Germany wants revenge, and we want revolution. For the moment our aims are the same. When our ways part they will be our most ferocious and our great enemies. Time will tell whether a German hegemony or a Communist federation is to arise out of the ruins of Europe.  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin so maybe it was a catch 22/camp 22 of yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not at all what i was saying though, i don't invoke god to do anything for me, sometimes i consider religion as a deceivers tool though'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if that's an actual quote or not though, i provided the link with it for you to decide for your out of contexting me'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in attributions section, so they're using hate as some kind of a tool, i haven't studied the whole history much, just what i looked into'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the whole history of what they were fighting for might be hard to come by'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they said about stamping out the memory of fascism from history, while having cult of personality police states'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could have some fact that some people identify with, and then twist it to some extent that exalts the addon in the fture, misdirecting their historical freedom '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like taht'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can think of a religion like that for instance'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perverting the memory of a people's freedom is pretty important, looking at how many remember theirs (as a original nation) - making it look like a demon probably is too'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the god of the bible had any power to grant anybody worshipping him on earth, such as elias overthrowing the demon worshippers, would they leave it in the hands of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the knowledge of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you are yet too immature in sifted data, so do not ascribe the Wikipedia opinions of others to the (alleged) opinions of Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your opinion was allegedly ascribed as my opinion, conditionally - which i unconditionally said was false'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using a (shallow) alignment of your reasoning, although with hate instead of god concept like vengeance, from the article you criticized me for quoting'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what you say is how you appear to others, not what you meant to say (but were unable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can think like you're saying like a devils advocate though and then study the belief'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of pointless, but i could also study how you would exploit that if it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't care, like the garbage trucks'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you misquote articles and then seem to talk as though they are gospel, and worse, you ascribe as though those articles were the opinions of some in the audience, and then verbally snide them for those holding those ascribed opinions which you falsely ascribed to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how, if you latch onto them because they are yours, is it my fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's amusing to see a troll get mad because another troll is trolling them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you just get offended cause it's your gospel, otherwise you'd ignore it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like some kids in a dumpster'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you showed you can think in terms of other's beliefs though, maybe if i was you with this belief i would see this as that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'double-minded is seen as a sin in the bible, doesn't mean much else to me, but it seems like a pretty basic thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a curse i guess, thinking of what others are thinking, absolutely disarming the enlightened'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(in their ability to detect the enemy), unless it's just instinctual'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh prattles from flawed statement to flawed statement -- as though believing that in sheer spam, the flawed statements (when unchallenged) stand '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's flawed about the unknown, that you need faith to know it and to not have faith is to be punished by watching a candle burn?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's remarkable hypocrisy in the atheist world of smarter than god's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and since you are wrong on so many things, you do not know what the actual platform here is'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets see what the neuroscientist discovered about memory, that it changes every time referenced'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the platform of hate that the world stands on, only discovering details knowing the enemy's already there'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's what, 4 billion religious people on earth with their own versions of good things in life to focus on and they haven't changed nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least not unbiasedly good, alot of the time - in the small picture they might have - but that's not the encompassing picture like those idiot's dancing on television to their television'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you attack my flawed drivel of negativity of the unknown (but knowable) because why'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if i believe in karma like you thought for me (zade) on the flipside you will be in the system and i will be in charge of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because i'm falsely assuming your obsession with me isn't part of those other people's who own everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you likely do not know if i am an atheist or a theist or neither, or a hybrid (with or without seeming contradictions)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you stick out flawed opinions on Debate like a mole on Whack-a-mole, and when the audience takes a whack at your flawed opinions, you say "obsessed!" -- amusing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i assume you're my enemy, and that doesn't matter if you're god zilla or the angel of the bottomless pit or a nuclear submarine pilot or a satellite above my house'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i already know the end of life is death, having being a obedient slave of the world of lies on the requirments for survival is very un-natural and not of god'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the anonimity of the internet protects the audience from paranoid nutter seeking "enemies" from those that disagree with the flawed opinions expressed'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no anonymity on the internet and never has been'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only to people who don't own it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do not know who i am -- that is anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but somebody does, that is not'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that know are not going to tell you'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they'd tell you who i am, because you're a member of their world of lies, like the people on the outside of the fence in that movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watching the burning candles of hope like the angels in the catholic cemetaries'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Candles in the Rain" is a last century song'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the rain may extinguish the candles and prevent fires'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sarta: 'Lol, Anonymous on the internet. I love the sense of Naive realism to it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently there is o_o'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'wow, I didn't know this whole time'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hmm, 1 out of 6 stars in the milky way galaxy is thought to have at least 1 earth sized planet.  17 billion potential earths.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'traditional star trek would never make it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is the universe flat ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'apparently it has a bit of a curve?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, wouldnt in a real explosion, matter and energy would be thrown out in all directions ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so how is the big bang diferent ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-6_torpedo much respect to the brave navy for facing fear like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'towards the bottom of the page is the scary part, but it claimed from domestic sources'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'so it kills even if it is a miss hit because of the hydrogen heating? yeah that would be pretty scary'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and 15 minutes - 2 torpedoes, 12,000 tonne ship'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was wondering how they develop their ships hulls against things like that, what kind of repellants could exist etc, but i didn't see any references at the bottom of the page'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'It heats the area above 2000 degrees in near no time how could a repel work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's material's which absorb heat around, plus material's resistant to heat, maybe they build with those in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as for how it gets hot like that, possibly can be neutralized with chemistry or something, like a fire extinguisher system expecting a fire'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'interesting it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so in other words do mess with the chinese navy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so in other words dont mess with the chinese navy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'what was the blast radius?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'or was that limited on information 2?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i didn't write the article - i just found it while studying modern submarines and remembered it cause it sounded pretty ultimate'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'if the blast radius is atleast 3 mi. then no person is gonna be like oh let me get the fire hydrent. he will be crispy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'kentucky krisp'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was thinking of boats though, not nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say they only used a couple of those in history in warfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'desert or become krispy? hard choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if blast radius of those torpedoes is that big then i guess so, 2000 degrees anything exposed and not within the theoretical protected ship would be toast'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they also wouldn't have used 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'yeah one would be plenry'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'plenty'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'few dozen metres'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Portgaze agrees
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what does the Caritas Europa Migration Commission mean/do?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seemed like best channel to ask'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C3%B4_%C4%90%C3%ACnh_L%E1%BB%87_Quy%C3%AAn just lookin at this, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432d_Tactical_Reconnaissance_Wing this somehow (Palace Lightning) like a search for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on google'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Approximately 200,000 Asian labourers (mainly romusha) and 60,000 Allied POWs worked on the ThailandBurma Death Railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand terrible isn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i just want to ask regrading the torpedos earlier today isnt it a bit (the other word for questionable) that details of such a weapon would be released or available to the public in a autocratic country like china?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In early April 2008, riots broke out over the high cost of food; since 2007, prices for a number of essential foods, including rice, had risen by about 50%.[7] As the riots continued, rioters attacked the presidential palace on April 8 but were driven away by UN soldiers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Pr%C3%A9val On April 9, Préval called for calm'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In early April 2008, riots broke out over the high cost of food; since 2007, prices for a number of essential foods, including rice, had risen by about 50%.[7] As the riots continued, rioters attacked the presidential palace on April 8 but were driven away by UN soldiers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Pr%C3%A9val On April 9, Préval called for calm; he said that high food prices were a problem around the world, but that the problem would not be solved by destroying stores, and he said that he had "ordered Haitian police and UN soldiers to put an end to the looting".  ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean i wonder where the aid money went to, how much humanitarian donations doubled the price of food and things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'my word!'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just looking at article, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/01/08/montreal-don-cherry-haiti-twitter.html , and seeing some google searches backgrounds on various people mentioned in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the articles, they could have writ themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just my question from seeing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the revolutionary charity coffers of communism, ? http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, i.e., the system of individual political assassinations, as being a method of political struggle which is most inexpedient at the present time, diverting the best forces from the urgent and imperatively necessary work of organisation and agitation, destroying contact between the revolutionaries and the masses of the revolutionary classes of the population, and spreading both among the revolutionaries themselves and the population in general utterly distorted ideas of the aims and methods of struggle against the autocracy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what came to mind to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not against providing actual survival-oriented assistance to people who require it, not at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who keeps track of it that's trustworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conflict-of interest in the idea of trustworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible, but not definite - just a expectation from observation of the corrupt world'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Fear of communism, extreme revolutionary ideas and ultranationalism caused the sharp fighting among the new ruling elites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand In exchange for supporting Thailand's admission to the United Nations, the Soviet Union demanded repeal of anticommunist legislation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest  occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the values and principles of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed *. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'and I thought subversion was a code management system'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A subversive is something or someone carrying the potential for some degree of subversion. In this context, a "subversive" is sometimes called a "traitor" with respect to (and usually by) the government in power. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer , 'In the 1950s, Fischer was the first historian who examined all of the Imperial German government archives in their entirety and as a result, as the American Klaus Epstein noted when Fischer published his findings in 1961, he instantly rendered obsolete every book previously published on the subject of responsibility for the First World War, and German aims in that war.' ,  The Frankfurter Zeitung was outspoken in its condemnation of Alexandra and her sister, the Dowager Empress of Russia, saying that the pair were "the centre of the international anti-German conspiracy" -- i wonder, then there's this parliament bill mentioned (and interests in other places) , i guess that's all ancient history though'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In Turkey she became the first woman to sit down to dinner with the Sultan (Abdülâziz) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty confusing story trying to figure out these articles sometimes, but that seems possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'He was a quarter French. In 1868 Pertevniyal was living in the Dolmabahçe Palace. That year Abdülaziz led the visiting Eugénie de Montijo, Empress of France, to see his mother. Pertevniyal perceived the presence of a foreign woman within her quarters of the seraglio as an insult. She reportedly slapped Eugénie across the face, almost resulting in an international incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz so that's a little after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark in the articles'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or earlier, hmm, articles include mention of it though'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '[08 Jan 13:10:23] (Debate) Chemosh: ".. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, .. the system of individual political assassinations" <-- that is a blatant disinformation '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a quote from a wikipedia page, possibly misinterpreted, but not seeming nonmalevolent'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not my fault if a semicolon cuts a copy/paste off that i'm posting to get input on, discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh (posting that disinformation, without balancing with facts that Communists were terrorists) seems to be another of "Lenin's useful idiots"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'useful idiots don't want to learn because they know they're right'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you call them useful idiots cause you know they're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Lenin's useful idiots" not "useful idiots" -- there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Zeitung  was a German language newspaper that appeared from 1856 to 1943. It emerged from a market letter that was published in Frankfurt. In Nazi Germany it was considered the only mass publication not completely controlled by the Propagandaministerium under Joseph Goebbels. ... Dictator Adolf Hitler banned the newspaper in 1943.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini During World War II he actively collaborated with both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, meeting Adolf Hitler personally and asking him to back Arab independence.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's doing that today?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[08 Jan 17:06:33] (Debate) Chemosh: 'not my fault if a semicolon cuts a copy/paste off" <-- mope, your *lazy* fault -- post to notepad and pre-edit before posting here (or on IRC), and post smaller chunks '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the internet , a fictional text-based game, like chats of hostile personality's raised on media filled with disenfranchising metabolism'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i apologize if i reflect it to some extent'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day  was a simulated Nazi invasion of the Canadian city of Winnipeg, Manitoba, and surrounding areas on February 19, 1942, during the Second World War.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can see some other possible overlords now'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdivisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas forcast to match a $8.8bn budget surplus record set in 2007'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a scumbag, growly, and was neck deep in the phone hacking scandal in the UK... among other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'International Commission of Control and Supervision (ICCS) http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=65&CdnOpId=78 , http://busanhaps.com/article/good-night-vegas-one-drop-east-weekend , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Defence_Day'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder, seen it listed on http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/singapore-singapour/highlights-faits/HardRockCafe-2011.aspx?lang=en&view=d and found it an interesting 'event' so i looked up it some more'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'quite a few wonders on trying to figure out what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hilariously, BBC news tonight reported that a think tank in London has said that one of the main fighting groups in Syria is a terrorist group consisting mainly of Al-Quaeda fighters from Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange, I and many others had been saying that for months and nobody would believe us'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were saying that about Libya and Egypt, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can we learn from this, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that Obama and by extension the larger democratic political force is in cahoots with terror groups.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we knew that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been in cahoots with Al-Queda since their inception'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Delusional Piers Morgan tries to compare himself to John Lennon. No piers, John Lennon was beacon for peace and understanding, you're just a shit journalist who fled the country accused of involvement in phone hacking and fabrication of news stories'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Orlando town to fine residents $500 per day for having a garden'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reckon anything will happen to Venezuela when Chavez kicks the bucket?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure.  They'll get a new batch of cronies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in which country is "Orlando" '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Florida, USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US.  It's a resort city in Florida.  One of the hottest and wettest places in the States.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and like Louisiana, it's washing away (it's something like 2 feet above sea level or something crazy low like that.)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that local "garden ban" in Orlando a violation of constitutional rights (to grow a garden)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a marijuana garden.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strictly speaking it's a city ordnance that by definition should only apply to employees of the city. Unfortunately due to precedent, it applies to other residents now'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever it is, it's a fucking stupid ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whsat is the "Orlando" reasoning: that private gardens may be used to feed terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you got a link for that, Tiger?  I really doubt even the crazy liberals in Florida are dumb enough to outlaw gardens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a demented USatan politician stated that those that store more than 8 weeks food are terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.clickorlando.com/news/College-Park-couple-says-front-yard-vegetable-garden-is-under-fire-again/-/1637132/18035884/-/png2kpz/-/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, beautification standards.  It's on par with keeping your trash bins out of sight or a certain distance away from living quarters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be solved with a compromise, maybe a slab path going to the door and a low wall at the front, but i'm guessing beurocrats are interested in $$$, not common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'homeowners can sometimes be as crazy as liberals sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"beautification" standards that interfere with health are not common sense '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're not interfering with health, unless the property somehow has no back yard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of ordnance was originally penned to prevent dangerous eyesores, not to micromanage appearance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'being prevented from growing fresh raw vegetables is interfering with health'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are not prevented from growing food, they are being prevented from growing food in their front yard.  These people would get the same sort of hassles if it were simply a landscape garden with trees and flowers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if the ordnance was originally directed at public employess, then the intent was not "beautification"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever, it's total overreach of jurisdiction on behalf of the city'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no cattle to eat the grass and not all gardens are unkept, it's almost fascist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from the original story "City code requires ground covers to be planted in a way that gives off a finished appearance so neighborhood lawns are clean, and inviting -- keeping property values up."'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not insult the fascists, Chemosh -- your inane rantings are "fascist"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't originally directed at city employees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a similar story on new mexico newssite a year or so ago, except there it was the offensive playground equipment or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'city ordnances weer originally directed at city employees, all of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a sidestep, there's a lot of -this- going on: http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_22333563/little-canada-man-videotaped-sheriffs-deputies-and-got'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's basically standard policy for ANY homeowners' group, and has been for the last 25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did these people sign a contract to become part of a homeowners group?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'homeowners groups are often abominations'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by buying property in an incorporated zone, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a legal fiction and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zoning and ordnance can change after the fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when no private group is available, all residents in a municipality are subject to the rules and regulations in force at the time of judgement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a need for some democratic oversight there, where there currently is none'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, calamari....a giant squid has been videoed in the north pacific....'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine how much fish pee that thing's swum through over the years...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just nutrients'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying you ingest piss for health reasons?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taste too'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seawater smells like seawater or seapiss-water'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it must all be ok, David Bowie released a new single today'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea i heard it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/07/02/obamacare-and-the-trampling-of-the-declaration-of-independence/ interesting forbes article about things, 'The only checks on Federal power left for the American people are their own commitment to live in liberty and the election of those who share a fervent embrace of the principles put forward as self evident truths in the Declaration of Independence''
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always knew i hated people with power for a reason, i'm still looking for it, but i find reasons as i look'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/45410/20130103/ that almost looks like an invasion doesn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe they'll get some ethnic diversity'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this multiculturalism of the last century is pure evil i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not very much by benevolent intentions, except exploitation of liberalism instead of rationality'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, i don't feel comfortable around them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'very rarely do i see one who doesn't look down on me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you don't feel comfortable around whom?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'asian/indian/muslim/negro people'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its no wonder people get blown up in this world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and here's where I get off the bus'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't assimilate into white culture, they oppose it and change it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you go to where they're from you're not welcome'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how does multiculturalism work'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why should they assimilate into white culture?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why doesn't white culture assimilate into theirs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should white nations change themselves to suit them, which they do the opposite of'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please say, massa'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are asking them to change to suit you'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are premise is that the "white" culture is the model for others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black racism is as alive as malcom x, asian racism is as white as the politicians and scientists in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hindu racism is like the scientists researching for the american government in alaska, or other various things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, let's grant that members of other races are racist, so what's your point? Is that defense white racists use?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like defense enough to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Africans didn't invade America. Hindus didn't invade England. Native Americans didn't invade Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't saudi arabia trade african slaves?  how about rome, did it invade europe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does that have to do with anything, true or not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen the colors of it's army, it's leaders also came from africa sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'has to do with your arguement is as valid as your ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, many Muslims are Africans, in fact, it is almost close to be a majority.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'many africans aren't even black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Amazing I know..'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scarjo ftw'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ethiopians, for instance, are Hemitic as their language clearly shows.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, Ethiopians aren't black?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are dark skinned, yes. Black is not really a skin color  :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Skin color is irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did they hire supermodels for all those 5-cents-a-day commercials?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no more so than white :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh advanced the premise that the other races should assimilate the white culture, so color is relevant to this topic :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from q/a: blacks are stiffer than reds...and that makes Chemosh uncomfortable'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, give it another fdew hundred years, and we will all just be a mix. Then we can find something else to be racist about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's been thousands of years already...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are all a mix now, Ranrr. The "pure" races of today are nothing but subsets. The mix occurred long, long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i said if other races go to a white place they should accept that they're not in control of it because they're not white'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but with modern travel, the mixing will accelerate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you miss out on the last two US full-term elections?  According to the political people, you're racist if you don't agree with Obama and the democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is the reason they give themselves for being in control of it, i'm a minority they say, quit persecutions - which happens to white people where they come from - who woulnd't have any of their bullshit mental exploitations'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, there doesn't appear to there were different geneses for the human race, but it basically came out of one crucible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at least one successful one'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bzzt, wrong!  The latest consensus is that there were a grand total of around 4 distinct human lines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white nations weren't even very racist in the last century and a half that i could see, except a few cases - but these cases can be seen in places like 1804 haiti, which is considered an honor in ethiopea'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but they all sprung from the same point, there weren't 4 distinct threads of evolution that succeeded.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they even were white nations, that could be false history'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sprang*'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but all other racial groups i seen where i'm from aren't afraid to be racist and openly scorn white people'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, whites could never be accused to be shy about being racists :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is this, is Chemosh barking up the "Whites are a persecuted minority" tree?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if a white person does that to them, they try to pull the persecuted brainwash mechanism'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I think he is, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, so what if i am considering racism from a unafraid viewpoint'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what are you going to do about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'No, he's found a new drug in the form of Zade.  I don't see Zade around, so I guess he's pining.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Generally, I find most people to be racist. White or black doesn't matter. It's just human nature, although it seems to get better in bigger cities, probably because of exposure to more people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are accusing the victims of racism of not liking whites. It's like being accused of hating sharks just because one bit your leg off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stupid Zade for indulging Chemosh. Now we're never gonna get rid of him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm considering the very ryeal phenomenon of racism in the world, and malcom x and his disciple's use of islam for racism among other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was an epic marathon of debauched spam, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let give you some perspective, Chemosh. You are being racist :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're racists, it doesn't matter how non racist a person is they're still hated by the racists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm being racist how?  by considering the evidence of racism that they instigated?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd love to hear your "evidence".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what if they are racists? Whites (some of them) are racists? Is racism reserved for whites only?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're going to ignore it then you're trying the same kidn of white shame arguement as them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But they'd probably just bore me, Mr. "Hitler once made a speech where he didn't mention the Jews, so he didn't kill Jews at all!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have to tell you anymore, you're being purposefully ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, whether we ignore it or not, whites should be ashamed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, it's the Chemosh Classic "I don't have to provide proof for my statements! YOU should do my job for me!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, if you rearrange the letters in "Yuna" you get "Zade"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't blame me for stupid things other white people did in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has been my Bimonthly foray into pointing out how Chemosh cannot be reasoned with. I'll go back to ignoring him for months on end now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, you can't blame me for other men raping women either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I blame you specifically'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stupid Yuna.  Now that he's indulged Chemosh, we'll never get rid of him!'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you pimped them, so you are an accessory :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funnest part of Chemoshity is all the people who can't leave him be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funniest part about you is a nazi candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like that, you are spousing a doctrine that the would make Nazis proud and then you call someone else "nazi" :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a dead jew set on fire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ditto for the kojiro/snooky thing. People still get suckered by it all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sonshi: they're not the same person'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, I have time on my hands, I don't mind delving into the racist mind :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I always wonder about how clearly clinically insane people are allowed to roam the streets (or in this case, the Internet) unmonitored. Do they not have any loved ones to have them committed or at least medicated for their own good?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those two aren't near as fun, since nobody believes they're anything but attentiontutes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether or not it's the same person, it's a similar type of crap...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's reference to an article of the post-war child abuse that went on in germany, of 'nazi-era' crimes '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scamming, lies, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can thank Reagan for that, as long as they don't commit a crime you can't violate their civil rights by institutionalizing them :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with Chemosh, he'll spam if you do and spam if you don't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'ah, hmm, on this I can speak with some experience. forcefully restricting the safe actions of your own family members is not pleasant at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, the U.S. doesn't allow for the forced institutionalization of clearly deranged individuals?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wonder you're seeing a sudden wave of mentally ill people committing mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not convinced they're different people, don't have proof either way...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we do, provided they committed a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this world is why people try to be neo-nazi's, see yourselves in a mirror on the receiving end in a alternate universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'only by their families.  Or if they show they will injure themselves or others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't blame people for coping with your shit how they do, it's your fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a large proportion of the homeless comes from that segment of society, the ones that were either previously institutionalized or should have been.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, you can be institutionalized if it is believed to be for the betterment of yourself and society at large. As in "We think you might commit violent crimes if we don't deal with you now rather than later".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'because suicide is illegal, which is dumb as shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they have to lock you up but you are too cuckoo for prison they send you to the looney bin until you get better.  The really heinous types aren't allowed to get better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but as I said, it's against their civil rights.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'Punishing people because they MIGHT do a crime is a bit immoral. But hey if it makes you sleep better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, we have that law, but we removed all institutions. So we still have crazy people on the street.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some are more prone to action than others'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that was the philosophy, but Reagan wanted the government to spend less money on social programs so he let them out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'd need some damning evidence to "Punish" them with institutionalization. But counseling and medication?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'me, i like to identify my enemies, and i came to some conclusions i seen nowhere else, including a mockery of the bible manifest reality'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and, of course, your enemies are easy to spot, just check the tan level :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We should have a Chemosh Bingo game where we all sit around with Bingo Cards waiting for him to rant about Communists, Socialists, Nazis, the Bible, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoever gets a Bingo first wins a small prize.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, that's their racism, the reason it's prevalent and not multilateral on a 1:1 basis is more a indicator of who the enemy is'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'having Chemosh shunted to your echo channel isn't a prize.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a coalition of non-whites maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'led by some leading philanthropist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's only racism, there's more than that for inequalities in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you don't like non-white coalitions :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'It must get lonely talking to ones self.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's ok for whites to band together, but when when a darkie does it, that's crossing the line :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's white coalitions and multicultural coalitions including whites, while there's coalitions of every other color then it doesn't bother me - jews and some others look white too, they have their own representatation that doesn't slave to other colors'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'colors/races/ethnicity's/countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'umm, I know Sonshi went loco on it, but weren't you there on the bandwagon about racial slurs, Ana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Chemosh. Do you want me to start naming them? I give you 2 right off the bat, IMF, The Trilateral Commission, The World Bank, NATO, sorry, that's more than 2 :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the evidence is innumerable for other races racism, national segregation in immigrant land, exclusive religious segregation (often inducing racism/nationalism)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all white bands set out to edge out the "others".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'The Black Chamber of Commerce...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oh wait...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but white people?  i see nothing international, or invasive in other countries like theirs is in typically white countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, I am scared of them, they have so much power...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If jews are white, they must have come from somewhere else than israel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just saying...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, how about IBM and ITT, that's multinational and as lily white as it gets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'national even, i'm not sure if there is one, i see basically ethnically pure nations of every other color though - where racism is practiced proudly in their governments once in awhile'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as ethnically pure :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either that or religion, you try to be liberal with some religions and they predate ww1, possibly being a cause of all the wars since 1850 or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe a few million years ago you could have made a case for that :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My point exactly. Hence, there are no jews.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few million years ago, it wasn't ethnically pure either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree, but I wouldn't argue too strongly about it, since I couldn't testify to it :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neandertal were boinking cromagnon, and recently there's been some evidence that prior generations of lateral human species were mixing as well.  They're starting to think all races of humans evolved with a natural urge to stir each other's pots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the original reason for spices and other add-ons was to mask the rotting taste of overripe meat :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm only racist as far as i see others being racist, i don't hate people who aren't racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ebert is a moron'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but also if i was in majority white nation where racism was normal and picking on minorities who weren't racist, i wouldn't support that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Chemosh, you don't get your butt kissed by someone with dark skin and you label them racist. From what you have said above, you have the idea that being white is what "others" should aspire to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i seen that the immigrants came to be racist and to attack the people who accepted them though, then i'd be less against the concept - but i wouldn't skip individual assessment'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically, it was preferable for the neander-magnon mix but because of cultural deviance we got stuck with porking our evolutionary "selves".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, now you're seeing things how you want to make me believe i can't transmit the message '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fall for shit like that, you can stuff your apologetic manipulation where the sun shined from'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you opened the argument with "they don't assimilate into white culture, they oppose it and change it". So clearly expect "them" to be white-like if they are to be accepted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and i was using the expounded conversation in forsight'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't move to europe to leave their country behind, they move there to change it into their country'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you expect them to change and follow your cultural path as if your culture was the model for others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and enslave the people there to conform tot heir foreign customs'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and other mental devices like your lapse of my ability to communicate'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when in Rome, do as the Indians do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if some meganation of non-whites came to the United States and started carting off slaves, you should just accepted philosophically as karma. What goes around comes around :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i said, that's not all of them, but alot of them it definitely is - as you can view yourself '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the opposite doesn't seem to be true in the time i've been around , what i seen '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, there was some hesitancy or reluctance or feeling of surprise sometimes when a different race of a person comes, but they don't act openly hostile, like maybe in india they do sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, or the surveillance the chinese give visitors, that isn't present on their trip to non-asian countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'omg, foreign culture, watch them like hawks - give them no real power'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'etc, they're working on that basically everywhere that isn't traditionally where white anglo-saxon people initiated'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Big Brother owns the rest of the world.  He's practically forgotten about the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also , christopher columbus was from spain, and the british and german empires were established by rome, which included spain i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, using the excuse that they are racists to maintain your level of racism doesn't work. For one thing, they are going to be suspicious of you (with good reason, most times) and that will make them act in a manner that can be deemed as racist. But if whites just plain stopped being racists, and maybe put up with some reactive racism from minorities until they became aware that whites had changed, then thing would work out at the end. But currently, the white position is we will not tolerate racism from anyone, while still being racist in many fronts. I can't see how you can fault the minorities from acting as they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how white was rome, and how can you guarantee how much of their imperialism or whatever it's called was actually the fault of white people's individual decisions'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, CC did a job for Spain.  He was really an Italian, and his own king told him to fuck himself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Rome was whitish, but they were elitist, not racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to be fair to the Romans, most of the world they knew was dark-skinned :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rome wasn't white.  They were as olive-skinned as the rest of the Mediterranian peoples.  Industrious as all hell, which drove the largest melting-pot mechanism the world had ever seen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'True, but in the US "olive-skinned" are honorary whites :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, I said "whitish" :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white's shouldn't have to tolerate anything because of their color and neither should any other member of another race that isn't racist, because you're a member of a race doesn't give you a greencard to abuse people and get away with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in any kind of godly judgement '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there's very little god in this hellworld'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'toleration doesn't teach the dog not to bite your hand for giving it a cookie'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what did it do for the cookie anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, Chemosh, but whites only make that claim when the people they have been abusing for all this time finally got tired of it and decided to give some back. Now you say "racism is bad" because you are at the receiving end. Didn't occur to you that it was bad when you were dishing it out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should see how much white people donate to charities cause of the pictures on television of suffering people in africa, which they probably receive very little in the way of substance from the suffering of'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, a lot of slave owners were nice to their slaves, so what.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe wedding rings, diamonds and things like that, but do they staple posters of the dead on the walls of the jewelry store'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much guarantee does the people who donate money to the strangers they expect the government to watch out for, have'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think that donating to a charity wipes out the stopping of a black man to death because he dared look at a white woman?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it could be spent in any ungodly way imaginable if there's no accountability, misdirecting people's good intentions is some kind of an orgasmic experience for some malevolent dictators in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like lucifer in the bible'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hay, if someone discriminated against me and offered me money as a way of atonement, I would probably take it. But taking the money doesn't mean you think the score is even. It would only be even if I had taken the money from him to begin with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait :) If he had taken the money from me, that is :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does missus biggalow make some fine hollywood movies about modern warfare?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i didn't do it myself then i'm not guilty of it by association or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you want their racist attitudes to stop? Take it like a man while they dish it out, they will eventually get it out of their system and then you can go on from there. But one of the reasons why racism is on the rise among minorities is because white racism hasn't stopped it just has gone into hiding.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you're showing a racist judgement of yours - and that's the kind of thing that i had in my mind while discussing some of my own, devil's advocate or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never stood around with a group of people or commanded a military or was the boss at a job causing things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that I am wrong, whites are no longer racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'however many racists there are, like i said, some people make religions out of their racism and some people get away with racism while others don't, cause your green card is a concept that is considered liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I think I'll get off the bus here. You want to make whites as the victims and that doesn't work. That's all I have to say about that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'equal judgement doesn't work for anybody in comparative justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Black Power is a far more acceptable concept than White Power.  You're looking through some pretty big rose-colored glasses if you still paint ethnic minorities as victims.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'White people are a minority, though. World wide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are scholarships and other material benefits where the standing rule is "white folk need not apply."  There aren't any where a black/brown/red/yellow person can be told they can't have it because they aren't white.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same thing for men. Lots of formal discrimination against men. But that's not PC to talk about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and rich people. lots of discrimination about rich people too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'mostly the good looking ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rich men's money doesn't need to go to poor men but women are useful to provide to their 'successful candidates' in abundance'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just recently, Justin Bieber or one of his contemporaries managed to be awarded the Black Person of the Year Award at an awards event designed for black people.  It was momentous, but probably in a disgusting sense that that the judges didn't do the "proper" thing by going with their second choice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't go along with black power either, that's just a racist as white power. The only difference is that black power is a reactive movement. Every other segment of society of society that migrated to the US has been subsumed at some point and they are accepted. Blacks are the only ones that haven't been assimilated, they are still the outside group, perhaps because they came under forced immigration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uhh, no.  According to a recent census-related survey, Blacks are basically the majority party now and are actually starting to act like whites.  As a group, they see asians and latinos as a threat to their "turf" as the defamed minority.  They actually hold traditionally white-centric views towards these groups.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Black is the new White, in other words.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Damnit I lose again!;('
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'what is a "census-related survey" ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and define "majority party now" because they're about 13% of the US population'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a survey done prior to the census taking place, in response to or in relation to the census or similar population issue.  For example, when we recently hit 300 million people in the US (200 million of which were estimated to be here illegally).'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '200 million, eh'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '200 million is almost the number of white people in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is understandable that they see Asians and Latinos as a threat. The threat being that they will be pushed farther out into the fringes. Asians are basically treated as whites by whites and Latinos are getting there. You will rarely get a buzz out of a white-asian, or white-latino couple. But you see a black-white couple and everyone stares. Note, that Asians and Latinos that "step out of their race" don't do it with another minority, they overwhelmingly do it with whites. The key is here is watching the media, especially advertisements and movies, both big and small screens. Now you begin to see Asian-white couples in movies and ads, not many, I grant, but they are there enough to notice. That matches what goes  on in the streets. Again, whites are willing to assimilate Asians (and Latinos, if they look white enough), but they balk  at assimilating blacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless of course, the black is a sports figure, in which case they don't say anything out loud, they just whisper about it in the corners :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm skeptical of this claim of yours that 2/3 of all people in the US are here illegally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not my claim, I'm just the messenger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Show me the source'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Completely unfounded, and not provable anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because I think you made it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's an interesting figure, I thought it would be higher since native americans only form a small portion of the population :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'native americans didn't believe in owning land ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I was being facetious :) Native Americans didn't have an INS :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can't show you the source.  I'm sure it's somewhere on the net, but I didn't read it online.  It was in a print newspaper article from some random day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Surely this print newspaper got its number from somewhere valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Ok, fair enough.  But its simply not true.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'You could, for example, reference the US census bureau'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'or the department of immigration and naturalization services'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I grant that the number of "illegals" in the US number in the millions, but no where near 2/3.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, we don't keep stats on illegals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how could you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have the burder patrol report how many got away? :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but you think that 2/3 of the entire population is illegal, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you don't need stats for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Suggesting a high number of illegals is fine.  Suggesting an outrageous number such as 2/3 of the population is just plain stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'ask 3 friends. if they aren't illegal, you must be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '2/3 is entirely ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know I'm not, and if I ask 2 friends and can be reasonably sure they're not then clearly there are no illegals at all here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh 6 degrees of separation. Everyone in the US is connected to an illegal immigrant :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my family / part of it, might have been brought here after germany fell in ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'preferably by a tether'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not to rain on your parade, Hanslanda, that's very unscientific :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'There are roughly 311 million documented people in the US. You say that we dont keep track of illegals, so those 311 million are documented by your reasoning.  Using your statistics, the US has nearly a billion people in it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I can barely move for all the people I bump into'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Its not possible for you to be correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if we have 600 billion illegals, how come my toilet is still dirty?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And how come it takes me 5 minutes to get a burger at mcdonalds?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jiggle the handle, one or two should pop out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, China has about the same landmass as the US and they have 1.6B, you can go to places there where the country seems to be empty, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's 2 maids per person'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Do you have 2 maids? I make good money and I only have 1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Actually, I don't think she's illegal. I wonder if she has a maid too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now, guys, you are being racist. There are illegal Canadians, Chinese, and also assorted Europeans. Don't pick on the people south of the border.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't know my own history much , some people were shipped off to america after war's like that though - they're as displaced as the other's aren't they?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I didn't say my maid was mexican.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have three'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'She's brazilian, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but that's not the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I never said it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you go again, being south of the border doesn't mean being Mexican. There are over 500M people living south of the border, which extends to Antarctica'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'You're the one saying we can't have canadian maids.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'They don't know how to clean windows in Canada? Now you're the racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The only canadian I want working for me is the one making my beer'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'canadians are south of the border too, it's just faster to go the other way is all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how much are maids in the us paid anyway, out of curiosity?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I was saying that when you think of maids, you think of them as being from south of the border.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Sonshi: daily, weekly, or monthly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Maids can actually make decent money in some places'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'monthly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '50USD for a single day'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'we have a woman who comes once a month and I give her $110'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Los Angeles, anyway. Some get more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the legal ones here get paid less than I do, and I'm a significant fraction below $10/hour.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not a maid, that's a house cleaner...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'she wears a cute little outfit, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't mind the mustache'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, yeah, so she's a house cleaner in a maid outfit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as I said, the legal ones...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'she does more than clean my house. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people in that are legal don't want to be maids, if they did, the illegals wouldn't get the work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you married your maid?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a maid is a cleaner, babysitter (if you have kids) and cook rolled into one!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I do the cooking'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Sonshi. Maybe in the US, but where I come from those were distinct jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's assisted-living healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'assisted living is where they dress you in the morning'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, those are distinct jobs, but a real maid, the ones that rich (?) people employ, do all those things'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the severest degree, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maids could come in flavors of child, hand, chanber, kitchen and general'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the really rich ones even have butlers, I hear!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'chamber*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'also "from school"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but they only come in threes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay, they split the jobs when there are several and the employer is mr mcbillionsandbillions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're inventing jobs to cater to the old people who think they're still spry enough to not be old yet still need to pay (or suffer the insistence of their children that someone be paid) to keep them company and do part of their living chores.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, in places where Spanish is spoken, there are no butlers, instead they have a woman who is the master of the keys, she functions as the butler and well as the boss of the other maids.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'master of the keys is slang for drug dealer'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she unlocks the chastity belts, doesn't she?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's English for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '"I need 2 keys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'she is called master of the keys because she controls the household :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'business in front, party in the back, Fiendish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'controls the household with her drug cartel'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'omg, your chastity belt is a mullet!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, the gardener and the chauffeur are both males :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from maids to... drugs?! How did this happen?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who knows :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'key is short for kilo'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the master of the keys had a turf war with the tambourine man'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you open your door with a kilo of weed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, in the US, where people are really up with the metric system, a key is a "big bag" of weed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kilo = dime bag?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's the metric system'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the key is the only absolute, a dime or nickel bag change sizes depending on the area since they are queued to the price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if an ounce goes for 20 USD, then a dime bag is half an ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/#.UOul7K6z69I this is kind of sick huh, first thing that came to my sick mind was http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/dominicanrepublic/3388611/Refugees-lost-at-sea-Eating-friends-tasted-like-beef.html "It's like beef, almost the same." '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The meat was imported from Hungary and then sold to wholesalers in Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Lithuania, according to Narving. http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/#.UOul7K6z69I'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad i can't go to europe and make sure my paranoia isn't real'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't trust the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or make sure i'm wrong, i'm not really being paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't tell me you go to the supermarket and buy meat without wondering where it comes from :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had a lump of meat awhile ago that was apparently deer, but i was thinking of people all along'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't get to go deer hunting and the meat was acquired by a relative from somebody else i never met'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before i seen this here story even'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, you mean that deer in Colorado where there is an epidemic of CJD among them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, just the way the meat was wrapped and stuff , it's coloring, it looked different than when i remember hunting my own - so i considered things like these stories about meat while i ate it - cause i seen alot of horror movies and expect the worst from people all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that i didn't meet the person who gave it to the relative too, it was a strange feeling i had'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how many of them people eating that beef had strange feelings, maybe the whole story's a fiction though - it's odd them refugees and immigration rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like it's subliminally indicating to the news viewer something '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if I were you I wouldn't eat any of the wildlife from Colorado :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or, have you already?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( that would explain things :> )
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not the one who lets people waste tens of thousands of hours of their life on this game, maybe they're the ones who ate it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well that, and this other article i found while researching feb 27. http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/#.UOusN66z69L  the day after a much-criticized speech in which he described the generation born in the 1940s as a köttberg, or 'meat mountain'.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'masterful design anyways, whoever does the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd be interested in getting a meat sample and testing what kind of meat it is, after seeing the painting on bbc and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a journalist or had a sick mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and knew science'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly the whole story's are hoax's though, they're only websites that aren't verifiable'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are people being starved to death in hungary? http://www.xpatloop.com/news/72226 '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from looking up 'hungary news' on google i found that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the most be hungry'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  don't you feel righteous with your free money and disarmed from birth opponents'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet you couldn't stand a true fight'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's a true fight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one in which we have a equal growth-potential and opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this game is forfeit though, too late for change'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i blame it on god until i hear him call me'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'll never catch me!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, I am calling yoooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was thinking today: "Given that traditionally, the societal safety net was provided by family, community, and the church, and now due to changes in society and activity of the government, it's really only provided by the government (and badly).... I wondered... Is there any way that the government can provide a safety net to it's citizens that is fair and non-descriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure what is meant by "non-dEscriminatory" - may or may not be the same as "non-discriminatory" (from a new-word perspective)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'discriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't be a spelling Nazi'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heil!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no danger of you commenting on the topic, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is a dengerous topic, since some of the zealous disgruntlted are going to prefer to discriminate against the "bad, depraved, criminal" subsections of society, in order to bring about a "better" society'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much why i was wondering if there was a way of providing a safety net that didn't discriminate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing i could come up with was a government payment made to every adult citizen every week, with everybody getting exactly the same amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there isn't, unless you don't count stuff like "80% of blacks live below the poverty line" that would lead to calls for more money given to the affected group.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there could be no argument there since the 80% of blacks that were until then living below the poverty line would be getting the same as everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the beautiful simplicity of the idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really don't know how racism works, do you?  With a statistic like that, black advocates are going to advocate for more money because their perception is that there's more ground to make up to get the stat back on par with the other group(s).'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their calls are irrelevent and can be ignored at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a very out of touch viewpoint in today's world, where Blacks are the Whites of the minority superfaction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if it's a choice between living in a 'real' world full of delusion and hypocrisy, or living is a world of my own based on principle, and reasoning, then i'd better stay in my own cloud cuckoo land'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, i was thinking primarily about the UK, where there isn't such a big race issue being pushed by the media and successive governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "colored" invaded England, they were not forced to emmigrate to England -- so they do not deserve extra, perhaps they merit less'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were invited here from the commonwealth to help rebuild after ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'UK was one of the points of the Slave Triangle.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we didn't import black slaves, we had our own white serfs'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, you DID import them.  I believe you were also one of the first to stop the practice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we didn't import them to the UK, we exported them to USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "traitors" in the English government and bureacracy "invited" the "coloreds" into England on the flimsy pretext of "rebuilding"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riiight'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyone see Alex Jones on the Piers Morgan show the other day?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are only going to hear the cold hard facts from here -- no poiltically-correct dressing drivel - no free debate ride coddling your faulty deluded emotions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen a lot of Piers being rude to guests lately'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he kinda got what he deserved'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'politically'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's naturally like that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers has been using the death of 20 kids as propoganda for his show because his ratings are flagging and they're threatening to shove him to a late night slot'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the Piers ploy working, or are the advertising products being boycotted by the angry irate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't appear to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ploy never works.  AirAmerica and MSNBC found that out the hard way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just pissing people off. getting a lot coverage yes, but alienating people at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even attempted to resurrect the Fairness Doctrine as a way to save AirAmerica from lack of exposure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does look like things are coming to a head, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were the UK parliament right to restrict rises on most non-disability related benefits to 1% for the next 3 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public sector pay has been frozen for 2 years followed by a 1% cap'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but did they raise the Parliamentary salaries as a reward for the savings brought by those austerity measures  (sarcasm)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe the parliamentary salary was pinned in the same manner'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should note they pay Uk mp's far less than US politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'less than a couple hundred thousand a year?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in dollars? about $100,000pa'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when paliamentary salaries are low, there is less encouragement for crooks to enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still get 'em'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when paliamentary salaries are raised high, that's when the crooks enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but more incentive to take kickbacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, lobbying and insider trading is where the money is'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'regarddless of the salary, crooks are likely to take kickbacks -- a higher salary is an extra bonus and incentive for crooks to be in politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When salaries are low, there is less incentive for competent people to enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher salaries do not attract the competent to politics as much as attract the dishonest -- to say "higher salaries attract the competent to politics" is similar to the blatant lie of the trickle-down theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i somewhat agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's always the way with large monolithic parliaments, is why you're better off with distributed power among smaller more local democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as STATE governance in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also benefit from being more responsive and reflective of the population they represent'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those Republican Presidential Candidates were religious "loons" -- definitely "no competence" there when they believe in creationism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only decent candidate was Ron Paul and everybody outside the GOP knows it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the blatant lie of "trickle-down economics"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'giving every adult in the UK 100 quid a week would cost 208 billion quid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the danger with that extra stipend is that the money is likely to be wasted on vices (worsening crime) or spent on foreign products (worsening the trade balances)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English model of government is knowing how to manage (several when imperial) countries of disgruntled greedy incompetent vice-addled middle and lower-class populaces, so that some semb,ance of decency fairness and ecomomic wealth results ( <-- raw statement - requires work)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: at the lower-class level, many of the English are vice-addled greedy selfish gambling crooks, dishonest and deranged -- the upperclass is or was aware of this, and managed the Empire without being excessivvly brutal (at least in England) (while exploiting the other countries in the process to pay for the English model of government)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty bizarre statement with no basis in fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Tigernuts suggestion of more local governance is doomed to failure'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the ruling class in the UK that are dishonest and greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TV and government policy have turned much of the working class into materialistic, narciccistic slobs, it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Surely a lot of credit goes to schools and parents too!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schools are the programming wing of the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes to parents, you're talking about a feedback loop'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 100 quid a week payment to everyone in place of all existing benefits would increase the welfare bill by 60%'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, would save a couple of billion in administration. Would need to simplify the tax system and raise taxes on everyone to make up the shortfall. not difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '100 bucks doesn't go anywhere these days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100 quid is 160 bucks, and is what someone here working part time here would get'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's considerably more than what unemployment currently pays, and isn't far off a single person's pension'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'only more than unemployment if you dont consider housing and council tax benefits Tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'foreigners are more likely to observe the defects of English society, than an Englander long-used to petty corruption and dishonesties as "normal" and not even seen as anything amiss'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'count tax would be scrapped, much more council housing needs to be built'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'council tax is a horrid regressive tax, should never have been introduced'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Englanders notice that which bothers them, not what they already accept as normal'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how long before prices rise and inflation gobbles up that 100 pounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an example amount. would assume it would go up with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'business is greedy -- unregulated business seeks to grab whatever business may get -- self-disciplined self-regulation is rare (conjecture: very few prefer to earn less so the economy may (allegedly) remain stable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, the global benefit is the only sensible idea i've ever heard for an equitable safety net'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can think of a better way, say away'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps first work on countering the damage done by religions -- as religions are used by corrupt politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is dead in the UK, so not a relevent point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in islamic Arab society, politics and religion are intertwined -- the concept of "separation of religion and state" is unknown or dismissed'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result of the islamic eagerness for "Sharia Law", Islam in the USA is subversive and unAmerican, even traitorous'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that recent Royal Wedding seemed extremely "Anglican" and expensive -- some doubt that religion is dead yet in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is not an Islamic state nor Islamic society, so not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which is the fastest growing or breeding religion in the UK -- perhaps the answer is affected by how many nonwhites infiltrated the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'days of mass immigration would be put an end to by withdrawing from the EU. problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, Islam (unless stopped) may be an eventual threat to the decency of the constitution of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have far more immediate threats to the constitution than Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but look at where Islam is gaining converts in the USA and the reasons -- as though converts are rejecting the lies of christianity for the lies of islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you sorted out the problem with the more immediate threat, you might alleviate the things that are causing that movement'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm not worried about Islam.  Atheism as a reported % of religious adherence is the fastest-growing class.  Religion will probably be gone entirely within a couple hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of "bad atheisms"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"decent atheisms" are likely okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'What is your definition of "bad" atheism?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"bad atheism" is described by prior examples more so than by definitions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm pretty sure that...is a meaningless statement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give us a prior example'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was going to provide examples, but Careo ignoranlly trolled that a meaningful statement was meaningless -- so riddance'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Saying that '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: '"bad atheism" is described by example rather than by definitions is a meaningless statement.  Sorry, but that's a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you accusing others of trolling is a tad hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what trolls also do - not hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama's new Treasurey secretary elect won't get voted in'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some trolls are able to recognise and out worse trolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is Hillary Clinton these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'miraculous recovery, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does socialism occur when too many people are forced to live in too small a place? aka. metropolitan areas'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? the voting evidence does suggest it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'elaborate?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at electoral map of UK or USA, the more rural the constituency, the less likely it'll be a left-leaning party winning it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'ah, yes, urban areas are more socially liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'but that doesn't make them socialist, economically'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does socially liberal even mean these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except that farmers depend on the good graces of the multi-year farm bills to survive.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two inevitably go hand in hand'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an artifact of globalism, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the US was doing farm bills long before globalism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you want cheaper food, you must give the farmers support.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was when supply > demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple solution: pay the going rate for your food'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Also, if you want a steady supply of food all year, you need to give farmers support during leaner times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'but there's a difference between shared opportunity and shared ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that they can survive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between shared ownership among people and shared ownership among people and government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'well look at new york city for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'very socially liberal voting block, but still the heart of capitilism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'capitalism*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The farm program is one of the few programs I support, I just want big corporations to receive less of the money, and more of it to go to small and medium sized farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corps shouldnt be getting any of it, in fact, it's in interests of every to push big corps out of food production'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt sure does make a big deal about flu season.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'same here in Sweden. Or, the media, first and foremost.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's so they can flog more pointless vaccines and make more money for their buddies in the pharma business'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'at best, they are only trying to make money...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, the flu shot around here is $6, not much profit there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and you haven't paid more for them in tax money? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, Sweden is in hot pursuit of highly dangerous garlic smugglers in the country!  They are armed and dangerous with pasta sauce!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And the british are behind the evil garlic scheme!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How democratic....Iceland has federal rules that determine what name you can use for your child....I guess moondance is not on the list.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the US, your child gets taken away if you use names connected to the Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those male icelandic names are sissy'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what?  I haven't heard of any children in the US getting taken for their name.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard that at least one afroUSamericans changed his name to Adolf Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some guy and his wife had two children taken away from them because they had Nazi German names.  The children were discovered when said parents attempted to get a personalized birthday cake from Walmart.  The cake decorator was quite offended by the name, and called the authorities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Adolf & Eva?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '[citation required]'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Jhav, it was "some guy", what more do you need to know?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I remember a story about them not being able to to get a personalised birthday cake, but I don't remember the children being taken away.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sue Walmart for racial discrimination against Germans -- possible in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'better, (in Canada) charge Walmart and the cake decorator with the crime of racial discrimination (against Germans)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, at least there is yet the freedom to be prejudiced'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont Know What You Got Till It's Gone -- Cinderella'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Parking Lot - Jody Collins  '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome to the Machine -- Pink Floyd'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at this ww2 nipple head http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/01/09/ontario-elementary-teachers-announce-political-protest.html , what's he gonna do, round them up with his non-gestapo gulag and put them on a backwards treadmill'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if jesus was alive today he would call the nazi's out of their tomb'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like lazarus'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus was a fiction character and did not actually raise any dead'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's the blessed son of jehovah who some nations say is on their side'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(so that nation's probably the roman jesus)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, Jesus indirectly stated the Jehovah was the devil'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Jehovah of the OT was depraved and bloodthirsty'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but he had sugary words of slavery for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that extolled their earthly pharoah'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, you Chemosh are too ambiguous and are not believed'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh tells lies based on the misinterpretation likely to happen from the lazy and or deliberate ambiguities'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"She could have taken our olive branch and waited for a new leader to try and find solutions, but she chose not to." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/01/09/ontario-elementary-teachers-announce-political-protest.html  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KImDeRy46A i wonder if they're speaking democratic religiously in the article'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't hear people handing around olive branches very often'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems obsessed with symbolism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The United States constitution enunciates a doctrine of separation of church and state which precludes the state from supporting any religion. The Canadian guarantee protects the right of the individual to practice the religion of his or her choice, but also permits the state to support religious groups -- indeed it requires the state to support minority Roman Catholic and Protestant school systems in some provinces as a consequence of the concern of the fathers of Confederation that minority religious rights be protected. http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/court-cour/ju/spe-dis/bm04-04-05-eng.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how false can that be proven'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in america even, i guess canada has it's mount of olives rubber stool of world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'both the USA and Canada protects the rights of the populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a pure lie, they take them all away'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like the holocaust that the nazi's didn't do after the holocaust'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA protects the people from the burden of favored religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada protects the rights of large religions to educate their children in private religious schools (by proportionally funding them according to the electoral roles)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i said years ago that harper/obama would be the last leaders of canada/america, looks like i might be right doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of like genesis 9:11, revelations 17:15, mandatory circumcision and if day'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely wrong, you seem depressed, if you believe the end is near'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nature evolved the homo sapiens to be not circumcised -- circumcision is an abomination and against the laws of nature evolution and God'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also evidence of a religious cult running the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'such as the one who receives countless billions of dollars (or 3.4 trillion some years in the last couple decades) '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then spends it on purchasing products from it's own companies'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your various smut whore american whore factory business opportunities'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'again, Chemosh is obscure ambiguous and annoying and not supplying specific information '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is foaming out confusion -- reminiscent of Jude 1:13'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was up to me i'd destroy this planet and laugh at your loss'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people's children don't deserve to be baptized by cobra spit'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Happy Days are here again, traallaalala'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been in syndication since forever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet most of these reality tv shows can be traced back to budapest and stalingrad in their mockery of the people they ignore, where they can't make money anyhow'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd like to put them in a fence and mock them on 1 egg a year or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have some good giggles on their behalf, show them what i got and make it feel so much better by how their desire is denied'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe let them reproduce so i can torment their children'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get them back in other words, that'd be awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not view those "reality" tv-shows -- too fictional and the acting is pathetic
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel puts up statue 'thank you red guard' , do they have one for non-enemies too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://wh.gov/UVuD    Sign the petition to start up a nuclear powered rocket engine to explore the solar system initiative....'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if they used professionally-trained eyecandy actors and followed a decently-written script, with plenty of retakes, maybe those reality-tv-shows may not be so bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already did.  The Death Star petition got the requisite 25k signatures before 12/22/12.  Dunno if the White House responded, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as the beverly hills jewish tax burden mafia from russia to change the script'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, it would take the resources of all 9 planets to build a damn death star. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polonium nuclear reactors are not to be used in outerspace craft -- a polonium reactors burning up on reentry is a doomsday device'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they wouldnt be used on re entry, it is only for going to mars, or the moon...you use a traditional capsule to re enter earth atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until, I think, the crazy events leading to gun control petitions and financial reform, it was the most popular petition on the site.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'exactly how does a nuclear-powered-engine work without poisoning the atmosphere and outerspace'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's moreorless an advanced steam engine, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You wouldn't eject the fuel in the atmosphere, just use it for generating heatr.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Heat*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DeathStar peition was an obvious troll to show that many of the USatan public are uneducated incompetent and reckless'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Something like Project Orion is quite different.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(though really, really cool)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what's Orion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so are the drone laser's http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20944726'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Just about the most awesome way of propelling a spacecraft proposed.  We'd never went for it though, and I can understand why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a steam rocket engine - unbelievable'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly the holocaust too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'gotta incinerate a couple people to see a difference in the color of the ashes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even a steam rocket engine is going to eject H2O molecules and deplete the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a world that's covered with the stuff, I don't see it being a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we also have entire planets made of the components.  If we were actually in danger of running out of water, ever, we'd probably focus on harvesting those.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and to superheat the steam, that reactor is going to be superhot and likely leaking metal molecules along with the H2O molecules, and the pressures ans stresses involved are likely to be huge'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Why is Haiti no better off despite quake relief effort? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20967845 i mentioned that yesterday, article claimed the money goes to criminals in south america fighting for their communist freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the united nations soldiers beat the snot out of people who's food costs twice as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, water has a really low boiling point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just like the death camps in warsaw the jews want people to believe was them and not their russian jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although every single person in their video evidence was jewish, on the outside of the fence'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'event he police were jewish'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to superheat and or speed up steam into molecules energetic enough to propel a rocket ship, the temperatures and pressures and velocities and energies are going to be huge - doubt that current technology is advanced enough to build a sturdy spaceship-size nuclear-steam-rocket-engine'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'multiculturalism tolerance: A week of arrests across Israel culminated on Sunday with the several bus loads of South Sudanese being taken to the airport. Most showed up by themselves. They know by now that there is little point in trying to hide. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/06/201261719514228633.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's hard to hide chocolate in a vanilla pudding :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'omg it's the nazi roundup's, who woulda thunk those billions in free money (trillions) they receive from their occupied governments of liberal multiculturalism would be spent on such selfish people'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're all expected to conform to being led by jewish people and their version of multiculturalism, oppressing certain subsets of the population with mind control, that they proudly perform at home, immune to any law'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone didn't think through their quest for 72 virgins...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or concept of fairness, they get upset with a million wasted dollars, and suck in trillions possibly, per year, from their occupied governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they use white chocolate to hide chocolate in white pudding'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know you are not serious, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen porno websites dedicated to devirgination, odds are they're owned by jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'There is such thing as Sudanese Jews.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews support ethiopea, which supports haiti (in the 1970's) with a medal of honor, from the haitian genocide of the white french, except their women and children which were useful to rape'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the 1804 year'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even ask people on television for free money to rescue the poor ethiopean jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's intersting, Chemosh, since Ethiopians are arabs :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre (a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier (b http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Ethiopia (c'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worship of genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and supported by jews apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'qtsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Q'tesh - Stargate Atlantis used a lot of ancient Egyptian references (and the modern arabs are not reminiscent of ancient Egyptians)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Arab is a genetic pool not a political designation, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark  The Frankfurter Zeitung was outspoken in its condemnation of Alexandra and her sister, the Dowager Empress of Russia, saying that the pair were "the centre of the international anti-German conspiracy". In Turkey she became the first woman to sit down to dinner with the Sultan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip was born in the remote village of Obljaj near Bosansko Grahovo, at the time de jure part of Bosnia Vilayet within the Ottoman Empire, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz was the 32nd Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and reigned between 25 June 1861 and 30 May 1876.   In 1868 Pertevniyal was living in the Dolmabahçe Palace. That year Abdülaziz led the visiting Eugénie de Montijo, Empress of France, to see his mother. Pertevniyal perceived the presence of a foreign woman within her quarters of the seraglio as an insult. She reportedly slapped Eugénie across the face, almost resulting in an international incident'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both (original) Jews and Arabs belong to the same genetic pool. Though they differentiate themselves. As the legend goes (which sounds just like the foundation of Rome:>) Brothers Shem and Hem are the founders. From Shem comes the Semites (Jews) and from Hem come the Hemites (Arabs) :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdivisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#Administrative_reform.2C_1864 A list dated 1527 shows eight eyalets, with Egypt, Syria, Diyarbekir and Kurdistan added to the original four. The last eyalet, however, did not survive as an administrative entity. Süleymans conquests in eastern Turkey, Iraq and Hungary also resulted in the creation of new eyalets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all this really explains what the Jews were doing in Egypt. Again even though they differentiate themselves, what probably happened is that they were the segment of the population who had been turned into slaves. When they fled, they became another "race".'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's ww1 and the re-unification of the muslim's today, likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the paper they use for printing is more expensive than what gets printed unless they print large denominations :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini and here's a guy who advised adolf hitler when it's leadership changed after ww1'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and mussolini too, possibly explaining the pope's adaptation of his heavenly religion after overturning the devil's advocate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a fact that Pope Pius XII was  pro-Nazi. No one argues that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the articles, that's what i think is going on in the world today - at a deeper level but not neccessarily the deepest'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'russia has high politicians from jordan and other places too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some event that was to be hosted in china was hosted in the middle east instead the other year, see what communism seems to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Russians are not communist :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not openly, the politicians speak a different language than mandarin in their higher german'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is communism, something called communism or something that's existed since ww1 and earlier, a system of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if anything, Russia has taken Capitalism to an extreme that shows the flaws with the its theory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'with its theory*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you ever heard of my piecing together of the similar facts in them articles in any history story?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I have a theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, what's that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something to do with re-education facilities and 60,000 near-misses i imagine'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'If a US citizen uses his or her citizenship to marry a foreign national in order to grant that person permanent green card status, is that morally wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legally wrong, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'll grant that it's legally wrong, but I am curious as to the general opinion on the morality of the issue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even say it themselves, they want a global islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there seems to be the ottomon empire, suggesting that's what they mean, and there's world war's that subvertedly didn't see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't see where morality has anything to do with it. It's illegal and that is all that it matters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not neccessarily true, but it's quite a bit of coincidence isn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, it only matter if you are from certain countries. You never hear of anyone  being accused for marrying a Canadian :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the articvles, they're written in history though - which was rewritten by franz fischer according to what i read, some of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe even he didn't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'marriage to a Canadian is usually an elevation in status to a USAtan'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'be that as it may... the law is applicable, though not enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Some laws aren't majestic enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20961651 what's he saying, 'sovereign states are not in america's best interest of converting the world to the ottomon empire'?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with helping out the people and liberally being led by their best interests of starting ww1 and ww2 i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of the respect for life they have'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'turn your attention outwards and ignore yourself for america as they say'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take the Borne movies, the only thing they have in common with the book is the titles.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Borne marries the Canadian woman in the book. She appears in all of them. They killed her early in the 2nd movie.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chenosh, your (mis)use of sarcasm, amidst the background of inane posts and disjointed comments, results in you appearing as a "raving lunatic", since the audience is unsure whether you are crazy-serious or bungling the sarcasm -- your platform is an incoherent mess of muck '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, The Borne Identity was made into a tv movie starring Chamberlain and Jaclyn Smith, it managed to stay near the book.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all misses :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not recall Jaclyn Smith as a main character in The Bourne Identity 
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the tv movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even that is an assumption, Rizgoth. No one can testify as to who, using what, took over the plane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada = enough resources to build all the world's military's supplies combined, but can't produce it's own'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess first is to build some innovative submarines to sink aircraft carriers and personelle carriers, but also have to build some air defense'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'falsifying their navigation systems would be a handy use of a new satellite'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe 10,000 submarines, 45,000 innovative originally designed fighter jets and bombers, a network of satellites, 30,000 warships and a population of people with a concept of slavery and freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got every variety of fuel for the weaponry and stuff that shouldn't be a problem, rebuilding the linker and microchip designs from scratch to avoid subversive moles'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then after the war's over they can turn them into car's and stuff like that, since the threat isn't being a threat anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'staying on their side of the world and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jpay for it with money, that purchases the things your land provides distributed from that side of the ocean'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can reinvent money after the war'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice, so canada has titanium mines too, lets see which side of the world owns it's operation - i think russia owns one in america'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that could be plutonium, but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe platinum'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not impossible to devise some military equipment that can absorb 2000 degrees celcius'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1700 celcius titanium + absorbing 300+'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's my fleet of submarines and warships under development, and tanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just pointing out the slavery system and how much of a lie sovereignty is'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'missiles that can fire 16,000 miles and nuclear warheads on satellites in outer space (which they say they don't have)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, best to get 58 or so for sneak attacks the other way'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the russian owned mechel owns a COAL mine in the US....there are no others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a russian govt controlled company tried to buy a uranium mine in wyoming though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's china pushing it's weight around on the news south china sea and saskatchewan sending them 70 dollars less per tonne discount potash of 1 million tonnes'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is used for explosives iirc'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would be the height of irony, Russia mines fissionable material in the US :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apart from fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'talk about Entante :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that companies partly owned by australia, but the communists in government probably have a hand in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'national security and sovereingty or economics'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not much economics under communism or ottomon empire'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want they take, if you disagree you can see the end on the news every day'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'richest people in capitalist nations get all their money from slandering the government anyways, which is what communism is'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'save the poor etc, then starve them to death'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all free money, just like those 'just say no' results on the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're evidence'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe canada needs a governor general who has more authority than the prime minister who isn't a communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposed to be representing british interests that aren't russia's marx dream of ottomon empire ww1 and 2's aren't they'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism is how much they respect the rights or traditions or history (communism) of any people they rule, Chinese propaganda poster from the Cultural Revolution: "Destroy the old world. Forge the new world." A Red Guard crushes the crucifix, Buddha, and classical Chinese texts with a hammer; 1967.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroy_the_old_world_Cultural_Revolution_poster.png http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reports-on-death-of-children-highlights-repression-of-journalists-in-china-a-876073.html call it acceptable government'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these tradeoffs are just fine with me, i'll be one of the caesar lords of a district with my offspring inheriting my reigns'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll have statues built of my image that will be worshipped by the slaves that my children feast on'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is progress, this is just government'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either that or some kind of mandatory worship at a place where if you don't show up you'll be blasphemer'd'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/08/29/mb-garbage-collection-seniors-concerns.html 'non-communism' '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can sniff these commies out pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm probably accurate alot of the time too, that's the scary part that the government doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alternative 'they were just being selfish mafia's of non communism non-ottomon , short minded sugar cubes''
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or there's the famous, these news were not related'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't bother with mountains of meat quotes from sweden and export of elderly in germany though, i've been into that already for consideration's sake of pork dyed to look like beef'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'floating refugees or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or ash paintings'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not nazi's doing that, is it?  if it's not then it's communists who the nazi's fought again, which is where the confusion for alot of people comes from'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Joshua chapter 8 -> what if A-i were artificial intelligence (or the multitude of counsellors safety of the king of proverbs), and who's lying in wait as they draw your soldiers out of the city they hide behind, 30,000 men of valour - blackwater or some other device?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shall ye take for a prety unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it -> subversion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looks like they did chase'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what's happening next'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genesis 9:11 -> nomore flesh cut off, mandatory circumcision, revelation 17:15'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they fly the flag of israel before america's flag in photo shoots'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems every occupied by jewish nation is ruled by them and their foreign interests first'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so 2 desert people're the enemy and some communists they invented '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or their beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the nazi's too, they were black flag enemied by the ottomon/jewish conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pay the masters for their hard work of destroying you, if you can afford it, otherwise they'll require it of your worms'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah requires it of you alot of the time as he blasphemess the idea of justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah built a 2.4 billion dollar hotel near paradise las vegas there during the economic recession'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly not all from the billions of federal aid spent on the companies they own, for their hard work of purchasing what they earned'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it trillions then'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dance in my net casino slutwhore house for jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing ignorance http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taxseason/story/2012/12/13/f-rrsp-2013-late-retirement.html the non-commumists showing what's the immediate wisdom, http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/ .. JFK releasing communists from prison, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing ignorance http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taxseason/story/2012/12/13/f-rrsp-2013-late-retirement.html the non-commumists showing what's the immediate wisdom, http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/ .. JFK releasing communists from prison, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes .. Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established. (Proverbs 15:22) while that choice definitely has its drawbacks, the impact on one's retirement finances is generally positive, financial advisers say. -- mystery meat (fallout 3): http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/ it's interesting, considering 'mountain of meat' -- ex-communist estonia statues of salvation, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/dominicanrepublic/3388611/Refugees-lost-at-sea-Eating-friends-tasted-like-beef.html maybe some subliminal media wizardry like the garbage, but maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished how come it's unfinished?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saddest_Music_in_the_World filmed (2003)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 'h5n1' (20 jan 2012) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20975528 'h3n2' (10 jan 2013)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum never happened i guess, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poliomyelitis mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's making a comeback thanks to anti-vaccine retards'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Significant reductions in tooth decay were also reported by important early studies outside the U.S., including the BrantfordSarniaStratford study in Canada (19451962), the TielCulemborg study in the Netherlands (19531969), the Hastings study in New Zealand (19541970), and the Department of Health study in the U.K. (19551960) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation who's that country proud of it's dentures for 1/3 of the world smiling'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide was interesting too, apparently britain had front page newspaper of birth defects in 1951, but canada continued to use it until 1963'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is spamming currently-irrelevant crappastnews on debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie / 'Barbie Flu' Spreading in Ukraine http://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2012/10/17/barbie-flu-spreading-in-ukraine/'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Chemosg is hoping that a "god" (watching the debate channel) may decide to change the past - unlikely, this is the timetrack that was predone and occured, so suckitup or suckstobeyou if you are dissatisfied with the far past'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to see a better picture of history by considering things together'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those things're pretty interesting to consider to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't there to write it all down for them though, so i don't know it's real - only that some people were called baby until they were 12'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from the 'baby boomer' generation'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that old news as far as debating is concerned is: "been there, done that, boring, move on, debate current relevant news" '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing the nature of who runs the world is relevant to understanding the odds and ends of this world'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so understanding who they are and what they're influenced by in thinking is important'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'use echo if you want to post boring old news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the lack of relevant commmentry and setup to the posts, results in the posts as being mere old boring noise from a chemical-mush-head'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, did "Chemosh" choose that aard-name as an indication of being damaged into a "chemical mush" by prior drugs alcohol and current pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, looks like a even cooler story than the 2009 movie the killing room to me, although it's not in movie form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Room , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chemo-therapy superhero'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's not what i meant when i picked it, it's a abomination in the bible'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i liked the name , i pick names up for fiction games like this like that, rabshakeh's one of my favourites too'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think portals are a mistake.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'navigating is such a flexible thing to add ideas to make the gameplay more interesting. portals close the door.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'crawl back to Amish county, you luddite'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a luddite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'milder version of a saboteur'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 's.. i hoped it to be a personal attack:('
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'luddites were resistance to the industrial revolution which provided so much lost opportunity today'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'luddites were the selfish shirtsighted resistance to the industrial revolution (which provided so much gained opportunity today)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'technology could have evolved without replacing and intervening between people and every aspect of natural life'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the ludditists were the last ones that could produce some real music.. to protest the industrialist world domination attemtps. but now its all woohoo! yippeee! baby baby baby!. everyone is converted to quickies from the pleasure-bits'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's used like the threshing floor of god where he's separating the wheat from the chaff'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at .... Hwuaijijal's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'saku kuld'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so seeking to remove portals from Aardwolf is typical of an Amish luddite  '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're calling lasher and lumia amish luddites?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dagnir, provide details when the admin is intending to remove all portals from the Aardwolf game'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no intentions, already done. they removed portals from new areas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not sure who's decision it was, but i guess the main imm and lead builder qualify'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course, it's not removing all portals, but considering the area redos and new areas, it should be more than half by now'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"removed" or "did not permit" new portals in new areas -- there is a difference - if "not permit", that is old news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're saying it's totally different and doesn't apply to them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you were implying that portals are a good thing and people who are against them are amish luddites'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that move reduced the number of portals significantly'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm saying you are muckraking'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i quote - "so seeking to remove portals from Aardwolf is typical of an Amish luddite"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with less and less portals, more players are foeced to upgrade to aardclient (or equivalent) to reduce the long boring run spams'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i was criticising the "Hwuaijijal: 'i think portals are a mistake -- portals close the door." a blanket statement that is reminiscent of a return to amish simplicity using luddite fifth-column subversion'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you, Dagnir, muckraked and attempted censorship by misapplying the blanket-statement context (of a suspected Amish Luddite) to the specific context done by the administration (those that seek to do wise changes to improve the game)  -- different contexts'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to zade: you left out the most important part'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The seized documents suggested that the remains of dead Ukrainians were destined for a factory in Germany belonging to the subsidiary of a U.S. medical products company, Florida-based RTI Biologics.  http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/body-snatchers-310223.html .. interesting article'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i'll post a link to that one on a news site and see what they'll see'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my favotite rpg, the incredible Morrowind, died when the walking was replaced by portals when the game advanced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of disturbing, usually only china's chastigated for harvesting flesh from inmates'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals as room-fixtures improve a game - permits mass transit - reduces spam and bandwidth - so those portals are "good"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals carried by players increase item-count and weight - and increases lag from disk-saves - those portals are viewed as "bad" (from an administration and (overburdened-player) perspective)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a game died because portals were introduced, likely other reasons were involved -- (providing "closure" is supposed to enhance not kill a decent skill game)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i adored the athletics skill in Morrowind, they probably were high when doing it but it was one of the sweetest skill there'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'coding it*'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals carried by players that do not increase storage requirements may be viewed as "good" (by administration)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, go fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"athletics fun" may be compared to Partroxis Otherworld "getting through the annoying maze to a Quest mob" athletics - not fun when pressed by an expiry-time or the desire is to earn qp (like during a global qreset)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thanks Dagnir, that was refreshing'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korean technology is rusting 1970s russian stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snow covers Jeruselem. Global warming anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming rules, Most of Texas was just drenched by 2+ inches of rain, and refilled our lakes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, we've had a mild winter so far, turned cold now though. Russia having coldest winter for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on average, it's all averaging out'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one lake in the Dallas area that is used for water supply increased its depth by 12 feet....'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are set for the year, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's if all of Obama's Mexicans and Californians that have been parachuted into Texas don't drink it all'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some venezuelens believe Jesus was socialist, and Chavez was more important than him'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also idolise Chez Guevera despite him liking torturing Spanish/Mexicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from this we must conclude that the supporters of Chavez are a bit thick'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess they are a bit bought off around the edges'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much the same approach that Obama took in the US, and Tony Blair took in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you said that Chavaz was more important than Jesus - indicates you do not believe in Jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said that some Venezuelens believe that'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see you're employing democrat logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'there is no such thing as that Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the comma and the missing "that"s before Jesus and Chavez -- use punctuation and grammar wisely -- they are democratic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the comma was fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"that" is redundant'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're allowed to misunderstand what i wrote, it's not a crime, and i'm not a particularly clear writer'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either drop the comma, and or add the "that"s - to avoid the "democrat" and or English-major interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drop the comma and idiots will then claim i was saying that Jesus was Chavez'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they're not interested in what i actually said, only at deliberately misunderstanding and picking holes at grammar'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts,(if) you were educated in England -- do not murder the King's language '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the language does not belong to any King'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen is a traitor to the country, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, eliminate Elton John asap'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need, he'll die soon of some camp disease'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like US is headed for a the debt ceiling and a no-deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Secretary of Defense ' <-> (SECDEF) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Threat_Reduction_Agency (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction) (http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/) -> Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism from a book about pow's brainwashed by china during korean war (1953)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't it sound kind of childish, are you the SECDEF or what'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'loading the secdef, this is the boy scouts badge of thought conformity'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do know the military is really big on acronyms, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, obfuscation to keep things mystical so they can handle the management'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although anybody who's a real threat to them already knows most of their stuff that isn't classified'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they just try to godify their military status among the slave population'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with SECDEF childspeak not adapted from korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't know why it's like that, since their acronym's won't fool their enemies'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, score one for a housewife protecting her kids, she unloaded on a guy trying to get to her and her kids in the crawlspace of her house....she shot him 5 times, and unfortunately survived...now he will probably sue them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'gun wasn't big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'gun wasn't big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or maybe she was distracted at the last minute by the racoons taking refuge there, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon is god's food.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had some bacon for supper, and it didn't even taste like demons'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to the OT Bible, bacon is unclean and not kosher, thus not "God's food"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"These are spots (bacon perhaps) in their banquets, feasting together without fear, feeding themselves: clouds without water, which are carried about by winds: trees of the autumn, unfruitful, twice dead, plucked up by the roots:" Jude 1:12 reparaphrased'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a decent God is likely a vegetarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it was pretty rare to see angels, but extra emphasis is placed on them: 6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you disagree with "a decent god is likely a vegetarian, note a possible alternative: "To Serve Humans" is a cookbook'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'save us from the angels!  alas alas, rest arrused , they are taken care of for i have seen it and have faith in my words'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't matter that you can't see it too, don't get all questiony on me now, oh ye of little faith'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think i could comprehend what god eats and doesn't eat'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably can spawn himself a godzilla body and eat whatever he wants'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strangely, some christians are okay with being eaten by god -- after years of eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ, they are psychologically ready to return the favor -- perhaps Christ is Cthulhu'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe kept their first habitation means were driven out by people like christopher columbus and his word of god'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and darkness is their version of history and SECDEF system of running things'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Of the world's 10 freest economies, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand, took the first four places, respectively, on the 2013 Index of Economic Freedom,'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No european country was in the top10, and the US ranked at #10'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, oh wow :D http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/eric-bolling-schools-pushing-the-liberal-agenda-by-teaching-algebra/'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'worth it Dag ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'critical reasoning should be the priority - as with Zade advice and with these sorts of agendas ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deprogram the sheeple n kidults '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, dice clay is back.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141093#.UO7l8q6z69I real?'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they both also met with (according to what i seen on internet) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhou_Enlai#Suppression_of_public_mourning has been described by at least one historian as the "midwife" of the Great Leap Forward, turning Mao's theory into reality and in the process causing a "minimum of 45 million" deaths.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=198996 Nixon secretly recorded his White House conversations. http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=199522'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/29/jewish-groups-skeptical-kissinger-apology-year-old-comment-jews-soviet-gas/'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intesting opinion piece by a russian national: http://tinyurl.com/asabmmc'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would've linked to his blog directly, but it appears to be blocked right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting prison upgrades they're doing in britain tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I ate them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's... the definition of botting.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems wesley snipes is involved with some black-muslim hate groups on his wikipedia page, i seen passenger 57 last night with the quote : John Cutter: Charlie, ever played roulette? Charles Rane: On occasion. John Cutter: Well, let me give you a word of advice. Always bet on black! -- could you imagine if some KKK member was on hollywood putting subliminal verses like that in movies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Snipes , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nuwaubian_Nation_of_Moors '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The term Nuwaubu is found in "The Holy Tablets", a 1700-page document published by York in 1996, as the term for "the way of life" of "supreme beings".[8] Nuwaubian teachings are sometimes also referred to as Nuwaubu/Nuwaupu, Wu-Nuwaubu, "Right Knowledge", "Sound Right Reasoning", "Overstanding", "Blackosophy" or "Factology"'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest jobs new: Honda lay off 800, Jessops lay off 1500 in the UK, Time lay off 700 in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYT, the toilet paper of record, also planning job cuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Armed police invade man's home - shoot him 16 times while he was in his bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately he survived'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope he sues'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hannity foresses states leaving union if federal government continues 'radicalized, abusive' pattern'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm last time states tried to leave the union they got pounded into submission, so what's different this time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole world looking'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is awash wish sucessionist movements, Spain, UK, Italy, Russia'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the whole world (the part that mattered) was looking. Britain, France and Russia. If it hadn't been for Russia, the US would have returned to Britain after the CW.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people of the world could not "look" in the 18th/19th century, there were barely even newspapers, let alone the immediate media we have now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we save the whole world...multiple times...mind ya' own bidness :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying they wouldn't just roll over the states, but it's not true that it wouldn't be different this time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they cared because th civil war was threatening the cotton trade. But now, if the US goes into another civil war, they will just put bibs on and eat what's left of the US for dessert :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be different'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia, China will probably sit back, maybe support the underdog'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lots of people in the world might be of the opinion that and de-federated US might be best for all parties concerned :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it would be different...it would be MUCH more efficient and one-sided'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i agree, i think it would be best for americans too'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's true, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then, i'd say that about a lot of large countries - large democracy doesn't actually work very wel'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they haven't tried large democracies, only large republics :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have a large republic'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'large democracies are worse than large republics...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a large republic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you stopped becoming a republic when the federal government stopped respecting the constitution that created it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the concept of republic basically exists to allow a large democracy-like thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'process that started in 1913'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to say that large democracy doesn't work terribly well in the UK either'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no single democracy on the planet at this time, and I doubt that there ever was. Even in Athens, democracy only applied to certain segments of the population, others had to do as the "democrats" saw fit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will claim that if you had a vote, you were part of the democracy. this is why democracy was likened to two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a big supporter of the republic idea, could work well anywhere, but requires a small federal government with strictly limited and laid out powers'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you have a parliament of any kind your government is not a democracy, it the landed are the ones that vote (in the US is the states) then you don't have a democracy. No matter what the people claim to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is true, in the purest sense of the word'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'having a representative to vote for you only works if the mapping is one to one, and when the representative can only vote the way you want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a representative vote for you is fine provided they do represent you, and not some political party, which is the problem in both places'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That doesn't scale above something like 10 citizens, though. You'd be better off with a direct democracy then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, they don't represent you if they vote any other way but the way you want, that is the point of representation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you working americans finding your higher taxes today? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not going to argue whether they are correct in voting another way or not, but I will object at their "representative" name :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if they're going to ask what to vote on every decision...no sense having a rep'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best, the representative idea is a compromise'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I agree Abe, just don't go telling people you are running a democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and nobody has enough hours in the day to perform work duties, family duties, and discuss/vote on every issue that comes up'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i give my government "representative" a pretty hard time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make him earn his money'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Again, I agree. The only thing it might point out is that seldom the people are consulted. But that's beside the point, I was just showing that there is no democracy with a parliament.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the people are consulted by virtue of the election...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'myth, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the election process is: I tell you the style I have and the types of votes I plan to do...you elect me if you agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would be fun with a direct democracy where anyone could make proposals, and everyone would get to vote on them. I doubt it would work, but it would be fun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would be true if the representative could only vote the way those who elected him wanted him to vote or, had to vote the way he said he would vote when he courted the votes :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be fun at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a whole fuckton of Kojiros with nothing better to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was sort of the thing they had in mind with the online petition, but it turned into just a means to push agendas, since it didn't bind them to do anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is Kojiro?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I'll settle for the representative system if they make  one minor chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riiiight'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem with direct democracy is that people are selfish, cannot see beyond themselves, and are morons. Unfortunately, so are politicians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt there is a perfect system'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some would argue a benevolent dictatorship is better than most'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the problem with republics is that the people in parliment are selfish, cannot see beyond themselves and are morons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I don't agree with that "saving them from themselves" crap that governments always claim. "We did it for their own good, even if they don't agree". That is the #1 political bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republic of small democracies was always appealing because you had the option of moving to a part which fitted your personal beliefs more closely'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ms Coran had a rant on Room 101 on BBC1 to that end last night, Anaristos, she illustrated it with "windows that don't open more than a few inches"'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the thing is, democracy and republic are mutually exclusive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'restricted democracy, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a restricted democracy is not a democracy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a system is either a democracy or it is not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If a truly benevolent dictator existed, I would go for that system. Maybe an AI could be the dictator.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a hybrid'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some kings have been benevolent. So maybe  a modified feudalism like Japan's might work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia was reasonably close pre 1917, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on who you ask, as with all ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for certain values of 'benevolent''
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you ignore the starving masses you can say they were close ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the masses weren't starving as badly until the red invasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when they slaughter the rulers, you've gotta wonder how benevolent they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commies took over after over a decade of fighting. They then got the farmers and serfs to hand in the arms promising peace... and promptly executed 50 million of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the October Revolution didn't develop in  a vacuum. There were legitimate reasons to rebel against the Tsar. But like most movements it ended up being perverted at the end.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's well documented.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, the communists were funded by western banks......'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more than that, The US banks were betting on both sides. JP Morgan and Rockefeller were financing both Alexander and the Bolsheviks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere you have a communist revolution, the first thing they do upon gaining power is disarm the people then slaughter all political opponents'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's even worse, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not the first time that they have done that. In Cuba, the US financed both Castro and Batista :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, like war profiteering is something new'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a millenia-old practice'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, it's business as usual :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have elements of the right in America now getting quite pissy and saying they won't give up their firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's another issue. I have not still figured why the NRA thinks that people should own AK47s. I can see a .38 or .45, but maybe I am missing something :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ask the farmers that were disarmed by the communists }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think it is right that police can come onto private property to gain evidence against you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your opponents have them, then you ought to be adequately armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that the NRA will change its mind when some wacko goes  postal at their headquarters :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't under the 4th ammendment, riz, but that doesn't stop it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, they can now...patriot act.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the NRA would LOVE that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would just shoot the guy'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They cannot enter your house without a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But they can come on your private property now, and gather evidence to prosecute you without a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they don't need a warrant if there is probable cause :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They dont need probable cause anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'however, probably cause only allows them to use as evidence anything in line of sight only'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you confusing two things, anaristos? they can come on your property without a warrant if they believe a crime is in progress, or life is at stake'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they've never needed a warrant to merely be on the property, it's where they can go and what they can do on the property that has mattered'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're gathering evidence about a crime that's happened, or is being planned, they still need a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can stand on my lawn all day'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's a matter of national security which is where the PAtriot act comes in'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can come on your land right now and look into the windows of your house.  Or go into the backyard and look around.  If they then see something suspicious, they can get a warrant to enter the house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my understanding'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a warrant gives the police the right to search, they don't need that to walk into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but can't enter my house'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do if they're not invited'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they allowed them to come onto your property, that's a violation of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what i said right at the top of this conversation about the republic being undermined'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FISA. Drones. two other good examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only way to protect your land now is to erect a fence around it, and put up signs....then they are forced to get a warrant just to go on your land.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the republic was undermined the minute the justices started interpreting the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like drones'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'target practices, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best make sure they're over your property if you do :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'generally cheaper and safer than most alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even power company morons are allowed to come on your walled and sign protected land now, to check the meter....and if they see something suspicious they will call the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so shoot them'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put the power meter on an outside wall....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't generally get to install your power meter'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can move it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but most of them are now radio-type so they have no reason to enter property'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Someone has to physically check the meter? Wow, we used to have that too, you know, before networking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, you can move it to a location other than on your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun, got work to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, this house of mine has a newer digital meter, no one needs to come.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'later farky :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although they did have to replace the new meters here because of a safety issue...meters catching fire :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 40 house marijuana grow house network was busted last summer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in houston.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is really hard to keep something that large secret for long....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, well, nobody said the potheads were that smart }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all 40 homes were owned by a mexico city businessman....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, he owns a lot less property now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the homes became worthless as soon as they were used to grow weed....the mold is terrible in those homes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Russians would build the largest helicopter in the world....nicknamed 'the cow''
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'already built ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for decades now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Mi-26 , nice !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it is really big'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'never really liked helis much , they don't fly like a plane flies but I got a quadcopter for xmas and it is awesome !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'airwolf flies like a plane when it has to (:'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'airwolf ruled'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'amd the pilot has thw coolest name'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US Army has 2 airwolf prototypes at area-51'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i believe that airwolf destroyed the only other prototype. Only two were ever built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for all the amazing roles he's played, I still associate ernest borgnine most as dom santini'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'apparently it crashed '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'june 6 '92'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but i meant Stringfellow'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he played in winds of war where he sucked'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'was replaced in war and remembrance'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but that ws long ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol destroyed jan michael vincent's career.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he started drinking bigtime during season2 of airwolf'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jan Michael Vincent destroyed his own career.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in most of his scenes you could tell he was drunk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'alcohol was a catalyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he flew like an ace anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '4% battery and 20 past midnight is a sign to go to bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'means it's time to grab my power cord'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'nah time for another vodka redbull :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'dont umderstand how you can drink that stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it works '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tbh I don't drink redbull or any caffine - I have troub enuf sleeping as it is '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or you mean the vodka ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'mainly the redbull'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the taste is less than desirable but it does deliver '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'don't dis the vodka :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'drinking it straight atm with tonic water chaser '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i just jad a glass of Glenlivet. Thats about the only decent whisky they sell in US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had*'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they sell all whiskey in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i talk abiut whisky, not whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'about*'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Nostravia ! Absolute from the deepfreezer !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there is none sold commercially elsewhere which is not also sold in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'walmart sells Glenfiddich which is close but not close enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'green triangle bottle ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'found Clynelish and Glenlivet in Foodland after some time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, your liquor store, by whch you're getting knowledge of what good whiskey is, is walmart...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Clynelish was outrageously prices though'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Jonny Walker blue lable :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '21 year old springbank'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'springbank is great'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Grey Goose vodka '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in the volumes I consume it is better to economise at some point ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or maybe think about your health and drink less?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's when you do the tiered approach...good stuff to get buzzed and can't tell as much difference, then progressively cheaper stuff :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'after half a bottle you could feed me paint stripper n I'd be ok with that '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The more I read about the bad effects of alcohol, the less I feel like drinking. Boring, but true.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Ranrr yes I agree , but if you say what I was doing 18 months ago you'd be impressed with the progress .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the second stargate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... where were you talking about Stargates?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'imm'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Aww doulbe ! wanna level my main but feel a lil social as well .. can't do both :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'were talking about antarctic, not stargates, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your main levels?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems whisky-talk died out real quick'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tzadkiel is my main '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know thatangel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can only talk about whiskey for so long :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that e..'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wanna drag Oceania just got T1R3 but have another 20 levels before I can drag her .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at ElFeneri, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'e.. MDMA ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I keep putting it there just for you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'thanks :-P '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok inside joke , lemme in ! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's in -h'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing inside...elf doesn't like whiskey being spelled whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i had better quest before my silly phone dies. Cant tell you how much i miss my computer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is scotch '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plug the phone in next to the bed :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ty for the reminder ! personal phone needs charging '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'plugged in :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is it still a smart phone if the user is an idiot ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no worries there'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel  toys with the idea of letting the smartphone got  to work for me 
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I got a road built today :D first time !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'im glad for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol soz .. was a strange thing to be able to get done '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now goodnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'night !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wanna tuckin ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'im good'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol OK - I get enuf random ppl to do it for me thought I'd offer '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I need another computer , or to get my chann bann lifted :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Engineers at a company co-founded by a University of Texas at Dallas professor have identified a material that can reduce the pollution produced by vehicles that run on diesel fuel. The material, from a family of minerals called oxides, could replace platinum, a rare and expensive metal that is currently used in diesel engines to try to control the amount of pollution released into the air.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone has also invented a zero-emission scrubbing process to help offending companies comply with the EU's tightening restrictions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's based on how rain scrubs out the atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can it also scrub out our arteries ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think that much water flowing through our veins would be hazardous to our health.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of the reduced amount of coal the US has been burning to produce electricty, a Kentucky coal company has started exporting coal to India.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a small deal, around 9 million tons a year, but it is a start, and the contract is for 25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between nanotech advances and new medicines to help break up/absorb/block plaque and other health aids to help us control cholesterol/weight, seems like we should be able to figure out a good method to actively clear our arteries in a safe and cheap manner.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'similar to dialysis, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we're not using as much at home, why not?  It's not like our net energy usage has gone down...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see nanobots fixing us up from within, but you know fed govts will start banning it, and exporting the people who use them to the moon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the moon's too valuable a piece of real estate to risk having it secede from Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nod, Alaska exports about 70% of its coal production to Asian countries right now....only about 30% of the huge mines capacity is actually used in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Usibelli coal mine is probably the largest in the US.....it is pretty freaking big....the coal powers the Univ of Alaska system power and hot water plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US emissions of carbon dioxide blamed for climate change fell in 2011 and have slipped to a 20-year low this year as the the world's largest economy uses more natural gas and less coal, data shows. The surprise drop from the world's second biggest emitter comes despite the lack of legislation on climate change   Market change is always better than govt regulation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe the largest active one.  There's parts of north-central Missouri and Illinois that are basically just one large mine.  They are mostly empty, flooded things now, too dangerous to use either at all or as something more than a museum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Total global fish production, including both wild capture fish and aquaculture, reached an all-time high of 154 million tons in 2011, and aquaculture is set to top 60 percent of production by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, over 1000 earthquakes have been recorded in arizona in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between the geologically-nearby yellowstone and the even closer baja/pacific plate boundaries, that's not particularly noteworthy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get thousands of 'em in the MO bootheel/memphis region.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get some in the STL region, specifically.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is because of all the fat people walking around.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United Arab Emirates said Wednesday it had selected six companies to supply fuel to its four planned nuclear reactors in deals worth an estimated $3 billion.  Now that is how you do it, you don't go half cocked like Iran and make nuclear weapons that are not needed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UAE announced this month that it would begin building two of four 1,400 megawatt nuclear power plants in partnership with a South Korean consortium, the first of which is scheduled to begin production in 2017.  Go go UAE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Despite being a major oil exporter, the UAE has opted for nuclear, seeing it as a proven, environmentally promising and commercially competitive source of electricity, upon which it relies to produce all of its drinking water via desalination.  The 4 planned nuclear power plants will supply the UAE with about 25% of its power needs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Engineers at Oregon State University have made a breakthrough in the performance of microbial fuel cells that can produce electricity directly from wastewater, opening the door to a future in which waste treatment plants not only will power themselves, but will sell excess electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the marsh biofuel thing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some 23,000 cheap Chinese-made cars were recalled in Australia after asbestos was found in their engines, '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sheesh, first it was the little-kids' toys, now it's the big-kids' toys too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nod, can't trust anything the chinese build for export.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, what is the Cylon plan ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the same plan they had last night, Rizzy. TRY TO TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not just the galaxy?  The universe is a big place....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Borg vs. Cylon.....who would win ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the borg.  Resistence is futile.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If all the borg looked like tricia helfer......assimilate me now please....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given the borg philosophy regarding the marriage between man and machine, I wonder what they think of vibrators?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, tricia helfer, she's the borg queen?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, #6 on bsg'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, the US treasury ruled out the option of minting a $1 trillion coin, :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jackie chan calls USA most corrupt country in world'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy Jackie Chan is down with social introcpection ...how ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nudge is as good as a wink to a blind man, you know they say? Say no more!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'misschann Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'python is incompatible with mischans, therefore it's relevent deb ate'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Monty python ? lol love that shit :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not shit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fertalizer - helps you grow - whats wrong with shit ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ooo deb a curse chann ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i concede'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your schwartz is clearly bigger than mine'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'german "head" '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nearly 18,000 landfills are nearing capacity in the US in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the US, many local wastewater facilities collect waste oil, and grease, and sell it to rendering plants that turn that stuff into commodities that are sold on the stock exchanges and used in cosmetics, foods, and materials.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'About 35% of the diesel fuel used in Hawaii is now biodiesel created on the islands.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( they should use cattle to create methanol )
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cattle should eat grass. Makes it harder to capture the methane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'attach a hose to their butts and capture the methane, then convert it to methanol :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Conversion of Methane to Methanol in an Aqueous Medium by using Copper-Promoted Fe-ZSM-5'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biowillie!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather subsidize biodiesel in the US instead of sending more money overseas for petroleum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I had my way, I would give a federal grand from the energy dept to companies like pacific biodiesel so that they can continue to expand and provide an alternative to imported oil diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grant even.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Regular oil companies get tax subsidies totalling $2 billion a year to produce low value oil reserves, so it makes sense to push some of the money to biodiesel as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US currently consumed 18.96 million barrels of oil per day....in 2008 it was at 20.56 million barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, peak oil theory seems to hold up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In that same amount of time, the avg mpg for vehicles in the US went from 20 mpg, to the current 22 mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US produced 11.5 million barrels of its own oil per day in 2012...up 800,000 barrels per day since 2011.  It is expected to increase to 12.3 million barrels per day in 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, so in the 1970s, a guy invents a process where his car was able to get 100 + mpg for his car....the process was called the vapor process.....and a few weeks later he died of a drug overdose...his body was found in the Texas desert.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what are you trying to say?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing at all, just curious.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'GW Bush was accused of rape (not actual but as an observer), the victim filed a lawsuit against him and later committed suicide :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lots of things happen in TX'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After the guy died, his test vehicle was bought by another company that promptly said the process didnt work, and the car disappeared.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'amazing'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wouldnt it suck if the enviro whackos got their way and we managed to reduce co2 levels to below levels 10,000 years ago.....and then we entered a new longterm ice age.  New research shows that our current co2 levels have most likely prevented the next ice age for the forseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so we can cause ice ages, but not global warming right? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming is a myth'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called global climate change.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't cause either, they happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we caused the hole in the ozone layer, that didn't just "happen"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we also fixed that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then we fixed it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly since it was fixable'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we banned DDT in most modern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Human activities do contribute to warming the planet. If nothing else, at least the Urban Heat Isle effect is uncontroversial :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how can we assume that we can do nothing about global climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or that it is a myth'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, of course heating concrete is going warm up the area nearby and forest cover will cool it. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an assumption not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, twyst, assuming you can stop global warming is an assumption not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'assuming climate change is a myth and is unaffected by what we do is not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An easy way to help control the thermal affect of the concrete jungle though is build sidewalks out of that new porous concrete that allows air and water to seep into the ground.  It cools much faster, thus the thermal affect is reduced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course climate change is a myth. We are 100% certain that there has never been ice ages, aren't we?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or to have fewer cities/people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lets start with the UK...turn it into a prison island for liberals. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought that it was a prison already.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are the government store'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'L'Ile du Diable :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am all for reducing the co2 we ADD to the atmosphere, but I want to keep the atmospheric co2 levels right where they are right now.....it is almost perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Let the planet's ecosystem reduce co2 levels over the next 100 years while we enjoy the nice climate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a complex system, we need research to understand it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only action that politicans could take now that would significantly affect the CO2 created is a worldwide thermonuclear war'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but some people are anti intellectual and shun research '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that the natural balance was unnatural. Manmade emmitions were necessary to make our atmosphere hospitable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'emissions*'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, 200 years ago was just fine also, or even 500 years ago, but the current climate is perfect for me....and that is all that matters....an extended ice age would be well...annoying, as would a venus like climate. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the hell nature knows about what's best. Clean air is clearly poisonous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the attitude that has gotten us where we are now. Everyone wants it his way now, screw what's best overall, let's all punch a new hole in nature's ass for our convenience. After all, by the time the effects from our meddling become catastrophic, we will be dead and it won't be our problem. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the answer government tyranny and taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my way is best for everyone now, and the future, :)  The climate right now is perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the climate is not perfect, pay attention.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'ask the people in australia if they think it's perfect right now :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it has been pretty messed up for the past decade or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australia gets heat waves from time to time'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so does Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia has cold snaps from to time'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has been happening forever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but every year some kind of record is broken'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accurate records have been kept for about 120 years. it's inevitable you'll get a record breaker once in a while'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Ashiya, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the ice caps'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure it might be a natural variance, but no one can't argue that the weather has been more extreme the last decade'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'yeah tigernuts, go to any weather side and look, the proof of extreme weather is right there, if it's because of CO2 or not, that's another question'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'prove it, but I've made up my mind already and think you are lying regardless right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd question that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of non-scientific people have claimed it, but there's been no science showing otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately humans typically suffer from confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that the weather is changing? you're ignorant if you don't see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say everyone formulates a belief than accepts info which backs it up, or rejects info which disputes that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some more than others though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the weather always changes'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so then you agree with me...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't extreme, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure was a nice here in Texas in January....was 72 F as the high, low humidity also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what extreme weather have you had?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'look at some african countries where lakes are drying up etc, that's not extreme?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's pretty normal'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presuming you're talking about lake tanzania in particular'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I'll give up, you'll never win over the ignorant people who don't see climate change as a problem, no matter what is causing it we do see climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well maybe if you offer some kind of proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'picking out random examples of weather events that have happened forever doesn't prove your case'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... people arguing with someone who claimed to be a physicist, but consistently claims co2 warming is negligible instead of making a first order estimate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is a cottage industry of folks who will deny any and all proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'go read an article about it, I'm not gonna spend time here finding proof for ignorant people who will still just reply prove it when you give proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, if you want to pay more for certain things...how about everytime you buy a car, rent one, lease one...you send an extra 25% to the United Nations for climate change.....walk the walk and stop talking bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've read plenty of articules about it, including a considerably long study into the changes in the water levels of lake tanzania'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I am in favour of a pigouvian carbon tax...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I wont be joining you to do it, but if you are perfectly willing to pay the stupid tax, go ahead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is where the bulk of the people are'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'problem is it doens't matter if small countries do anything aslong as you have the US and china doing shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"oh if you think the nazis are going to come slaughter us all, why don't you go and fight them, don't count me in, rabbi"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US and china are #1 #2 carbon producers'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hello, the US has been reducing its co2 emissions for 10 years now....how has your country done ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sweden has done a lot better tyvm :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to reduce when you are #1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not difficult to reduce co2 emissions in a country that is a nanny state with about 7 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'then it should be harder, right? cause you've already done a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now sort it out with China and India whom are the real problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which country is that, T?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sweden apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I see that Sweden has reduced its co2 emissions by almost 50% since 1960, good job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see how well your economy has improved during the same amount of time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We could definitely do better, but compared to the US, we are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya looks at Ranrr and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you don't know much about swedens financials then :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden is almost the only western country that isn't broke.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'oh I thought you meant swedens financials were crap cause of low CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno if these stats are accurate, but China emits nearly 4 times the emissions of USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure, china has 4x the population too'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and that's the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I'm quite sure the US emits more CO2 per capita than china'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '80% of which live on farms on less than $1 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they do not produce much co2.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi arabia beats USA for emission/person,'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'China doesn't protect their environment, it costs too much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sort of like you guys are advocating for world wide'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so you're just gonna put a blanker on and not do anything until china does?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/SeriesDetail.aspx?srid=749&crid='
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people chose to reduce their co2 as technologies came online that were efficient and cheap'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't work, and isn't fair is mandating change through legislation and the tax system'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas, a huge oil producer also gets 20% of its power from nuclear, and 15% from wind, 10% from coal, and the rest is natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas has very strict air quality regulations'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you can still choose though to drive a car with 14 miles per gallon or 40 miles per gallon'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that has nothing to do with taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'while simultaneously containing people who look down on same regulations'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahiya, are you deliberately retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'quite an oxymorong'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part of taxes on petrol are not trying to alter your car-efficieny buying behaviour?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas also has extremely strict water quality regulations....I know all about those since I own a water plant for a housing development in the houston area.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pot calling the glass window black...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Sonshi for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it works for Tx, why not the rest of the US and world?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we're not going to ban cigarettes, but we are going to make them cost $12 a packet so people won't want to buy them"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure the replacements for DDT were more expensive and less effective'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the argument of a coward'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '53 dif govts, state and territory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's an asinine argument Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that taxes modify economic behaviour is a fact beyond ant real dispute'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would take a NWO to get clean air for everyone? or as clean as possible?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no you won't, cigarettes have to be priced within the reach of the consumer even if expensive, there is no way the government is going to legislate the tobacco industry out of business. They are almost as powerful as the NRA. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'States prefer to do things their own way....as long as they follow the minimum federal regulations regarding air and water, they can pretty much do whatever they want to make things cleaner or dirtier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so your claim that change through the tax system doesn't work is... well, as you put it, "deliberately retarded"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately air and water do not respect territorial boundaries'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would trust states to do a far better job on promoting the environment than the dodgy criminals in washington'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas decided long ago to make its state cleaner, but without burdening the business industry with idiotic regulations that do not work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say the tax system doesn't work, i said you should use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '[13 Jan 06:34:36] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't work, and isn't fair is mandating change through legislation and the tax system''
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't work at a global level, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Tigernuts did.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'siiigh...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is making people unable to afford to get to work, or heat their home in UK going to reduce CO2 emissions in China?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the government's responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china can worry about its own damn air and water, none of my business....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'no matter whose responsible it is, any idividual can do what he/she can do reduce their own omission'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their per capita emissions is still well below western levels. There's not a lot of room for them to reduce emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, riz, but governments and al gore fanatics like ashiya and sonshi should realise that when government overstep their authority, people will start to push back'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why efforts focus on the developed world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the reasons the three gorges dam was built was to produce cleaner power for the country....but everyone whines that it displaced 2 million chinese farmers. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK emissions are already within 20% of china's on per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do you think that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tigernuts, you could still take your personal resonsibility though, you can recycle your garbage, but a high gas mileage car etc, and you won't have to pay a dollar extra in tax but you've done something good for the environement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i'm perfectly happy to take my personal responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, government responsibility is to inform, teach and advise'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am just not willing to pay for your personal responsibility.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think it is well within the authority of the elected government to encourage people to make smart choices for the enviroment by increasing taxes on things that we need to decrease our usage of, like oil and coal power'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'encourage, fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what taxes do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more like over 30%...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if they give you an option it's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes and prohibitions are not encouragement their discouragement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if they say hey, if you choose wind power you'll pay the same price as you do today, but if you want to stick to coal power you'll have to pay extra then that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, we should also have subsidies on things we should consume more of.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a while back they offered people money back for car tradeins for certain new models'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I think the main focus, and the main thing the taxes should pay for, is technology development. That's the only long term solution.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a good example of encouragement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, unless you pay a premium for wind power for a long time, and build lots of them....wind power will not be cheaper than coal except with taxes on coal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about instead of raising taxes on coal, you reduce taxes on WIND.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he gets it! shame the rest of you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need to do both, or decrease spending. Taxes are needed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in texas they ain't'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it must be well known that in your world, money grows on trees and taxes are unnecessary...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Reducing the TAX on wind, and with the federal grants....Texas produces more wind power than ANY state in the united states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm very well versed in the amount of tax and spending there is in my country, ta'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say it's not well spent or balanced'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the states have access to those same federal grants, but hardly any state has taken advantage of it....shame on them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the mentality that I won't do anything until everyone else does has to go though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are YOU doing, ashiya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'driving a very fuel efficient car, taking the train whenever I can, recycling my garbage? My electricity comes from water power?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'want more?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada blames it all on Ashiya!! What a LOOOSER!!
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many kids do you have?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my natgas car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'none, but that wouldn't change any of what I just said'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont recycle my garbage though, no need for it....the waste company does it for me....they separate it at the transfer station and sell the recyclables....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure you need a bigger car, but you can still buy an efficient car for that size'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i recycle everything, and don't buy stuff i don't need'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car is more efficient than 98% of those on the roads in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't buy it because of the environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are cars which emit less co2 but tough shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give me one for free and i'll drive it, failing that, go suck a lemon'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house in plano texas uses the cooling effect of the earth to reduce the temp of surface air before it enters my AC system to cool my house....saves mucho money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people shouldn't feel obliged to factor in the environment in their economic decisions - the system need to be set up so that people tend to prefer those actions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what taxes are for.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only do it for economic reasons....no other reason for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'return on investment....very important.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cared about co2 emissions, you'd never buy anything made in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'well then there you have it, if people only do it for return on investment and on a pure financial standpoint then taxes are needed and government should use taxes to help the emissiosn'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd buy all-local produce'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I buy stuff made in china because it's cheap'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I do buy what I can that's locally produced'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are never going to tax your way into a cleaner environment, only investment in technology will do that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're the problem, Sonshi, why should the rest of us go cold or be unable to live my life in the way I choose because you're too lazy to shop locally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the tax could pay for investing in technology though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree, Riz. So the taxes should be used to pay for that development, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know it's just two sides of the same coin right? Economic incentives are what drive investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, reducing taxes on businesses that create the new technology is a better way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that the soul of Hans person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'rizgoth then that funding has to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no company goes... hey, let's design a new engine 'cos it's just cool, even if no one wants to buy it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to say that taxes should be reduced. It's not that easy to say which spending should be removed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a huge difference between prohibitive action and encouragement action, and you guys fail to appreciate there's any difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bullshit, companies make new stuff because there's a market for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if possible, I agree that incentives are better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure I see the difference tigernuts, but by reducing taxes on one thing, you have to cut spending on another or raise the general tax level.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then raise the general tax level'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is going to reduce the corporate tax on manufacturers soon, probably to 25% from the current 36% or so....then the US will be much more competitive with the rest of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something is worthy to the whole population, don't single out people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the yield relative to the rest of the economy is what matters, and the fact that there is a yield.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'it has the same effect though tigernuts, you end up paying more taxes cause the government wants you to use something more environmental friendly'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or increasing tax revenue by increasing more jobs, and people willing to invest in new tech which also creates more jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people see real differences where only semantic differences exist... Regrettably, this is confirmed by various studies...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the subsidies on personal power generation here in the UK were paid for by levies on electricity bills, they also put stupid petty restrictions on the size you could have. This led to under-utilisation of roofs and a huge hike in electric bills that has really hurt the elderly. It's a good example of bad taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thankfully the feds extended the wind tax credit another 2 years, so Texas can keep installing new wind turbines....going to have wind power up to 20% in no time!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have had much looser if not no restriction on size of installation, and the money should have been got through general taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Fatal disease scenario... Ver 1: Plan A kills 5 out of 10. Plan B has a 60% change of saving everyone. Ver2: Plan A saves 5 out of 10. Plan B has a 40% chance of killing everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spurious generic example alert'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer plan C....Everyone else except Texas is affected, and we take over the world. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not advocating any particular plan, but it has been shown that the cost of adapting to climate change is far less than trying to alter it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then the Republic of Texas can be reborn !'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's rubbish. The cost of reducing is far less'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'note, for instance, that my country manages to have a far lower emissions rate, but a higher per capita real gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reduction is a bad word in the US....our country is huge, and it would be pretty hard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and your heavy industry consists of what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all your countries need is to stop being anti-intellectual and let the economic theory work...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas for example has more roads than most of the other states combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than your'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economic theory is what cause the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might not be your specific economic theory, but economists cause it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the crash was wholly unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not listening to real economists is what caused it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as a real economist, it's like a real psychiatrist'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't pull any random politician who has been sitting in a think tank and call him an economist'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in any case, the record speaks for itself... there's a reason why some countries did not have a crash...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas didnt have a crash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but we didnt have the boom either. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still no re-introduction of glass-stegall'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike other states, Texas has plenty of land for homes, so the price of land is pretty cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course it would be nice to see more condo buildings built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not in absolute terms, but given the immigration, you should look at per capita output... then you'll see the texan crash... not as big as elsewhere, because of oil, but was still there'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the UN liberal planning brigade have their way, riz, you'll have shitty little shoebox apartments piled ontop of each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike california, we do not count illegals here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why UK is so hateful now, everyone is forced to live in each others pocket'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they still count towards gdp, thereby inflating your figures...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love a nice 1800 sq foot condo....3 bedroom 2 bath, office, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'been considering it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1800sq foot, rofl, try 250'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you guys built higher like us, you can have bigger flats. 250 sq ft is way too small'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in the UK, but not around here....1400 is the avg'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everyone wants to live in the city, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't change the fact that you ought to have much more than 250'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the downtowns of the big cities in Texas have been becoming popular again....more condo buildings have been going up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I keep saying, if you have crappy/small housing, that's your govt fault, don't blame the UN or your usual bogeymen. Look in the mirror.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course there was that 8000 sq foot penthouse in downtown Dallas that was really nice....for a mere $9.8 million....a $4 million reduction from its previous price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is 70mil packed into an island that supports a population of 20mil'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is building restrictions that forces ever smaller plots'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, with my country's tech, I bet we could support 100m on your islands easily... that's plenty of farmland'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't -want- your tech or your level of population density'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can still build up....Tokyo has that problem also, but they keep building new buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such a city-slicker point of view, it's frustrating'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what the africans said when your colonists made noises about them living in huts, I suppose...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them live in huts!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tigernuts well if you don't want those small appartments on limited land, there's only 2 options move out or build higher'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love that new farming building that the japanese are building in Tokyo....it can produce enough food to feed 100,000 people and provide housing for another 10,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or stop increasing the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start decreasing it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send the population to where there is space'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better tech is reducing the amount of space needed for farming all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydroponics is great.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also aeroponics...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aerosmith created a new farming technique ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not much material difference though, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty much hydroponics, but with lower water use.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK should leave the EU and immediately implement Canadian/Australian style immigration control, we should stop paying people to breed and get that birth rate down to about 1.9'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the birth rate in Italy is .4 or so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont blame though....who would want to live in italy ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horrid corrupt place'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will Spain explode?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should build a 250 story residential building with stores, business, and industrial tech zones....perhaps green zones also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build them for the liberals to live in, then wall them off to the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thought we were going to use the UK for that :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to empty the UK of liberal and neofascist influece'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you non liberals in the UK can come here to Texas and live in paradise.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that till you kick all the californians out, and secure independance'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately your governor is a pussy'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most californians move to nevada, not Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain away the 43% vote for obama at the last election then'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hispanics in Texas are 48% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was like that before the recession.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, it's turkeys voting for christmas then'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love driving around west Texas....oil wells, wind turbines, and farms all over the place....gotta love it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the climate, sounds magical'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get yourself independece then get me a job and a visa :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and please expunge Rick Perry and the Bush clan'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Did he mean Tyler Perry? )
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James Richard Perry'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas, North/South Dakota have enough wind potential to power the whole US combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should retool some of those old vehicle factories into wind turbine factories, and start installing them all over.....we need to install 1 3 MW turbine every 6 minutes to 2 TW of power generation in 20-25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently uses around 16 TW of power right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would create a minimum of 500,000 jobs and keep them for generations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that, it would be a solution'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberals don't do solutions that don't involve an increase in government control and taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'don't forget there are other good options more suitable for other areas :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno how they ever got labeled liberals'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't i know it, i live on an island, where the FUCK is the tidal and water power?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are not economic liberals, they are socially liberals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that's a good question tigernuts :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I mean install the wind turbines all over the US in the high wind areas of Texas, north/south dakota. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social liberals value personal freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not referring to places like Sweden where hydrothermal might be better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'problem with wind turbines, is that you'll have people saying we don't like it cause they make a lot of noise and are ugly'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social liberalism is fundamentally incompatible with technocracies and/or dictatorships'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialist dictatorships/collectivism'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why west texas and north/south dakota are perfect....hardly anyone live there....:)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'not disagreeing with you, just saying you have to be smart with where you do what'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides....if you were paid $15000 a year to have a 3 MW wind turbine on your land plus free electricty for the life of the turbine....would you go for it ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want that rather than owning the turbine yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'ofc, but then we who is giving me that money? my own tax dollars I spent :)?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You going to buy a 3 MW wind turbine and install it on your land?  Good luck with that :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a couple million sitting in a bank somewhere ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't all Texans rich beyond belief?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple of million is chump change to you lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'actually why not? If it's a good investment banks will ok it, just like they give you money to buy a house cause they'll most likely get it back when you sell it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If they were, they wouldnt be leasing their land to put wind turbines on it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$15,000 per year is the fee the utility companies are paying to lease your land to put turbines on it.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per turbine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'then imagine how much they make each year on a turbine :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it is a 3 megawatt wind turbine :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nice thing about west texas though...the wind pretty much blows most of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a great place for wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if truckers didnt have to idle their trucks to run AC or heaters, it would save 1 billion gallons of diesel fuel each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'is that for when they sleep riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'there's no places where they can park and use electricity?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many truck stops have started installing new parking kiosks for power, cable and internet use, but it is expensive to upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that would be a good example of where government funding is good then :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be nice, but most likely wont happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the current rate, it will take about 20 years to retrofit the existing truck stops to the kiosks'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be oh, 20 billion gallons of diesel fuel.....$3.50 a gallon....$70 billion wasted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the truck stop owners, do they benefit any from installing kiosks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it allows them to make money from the power/tv/internet use.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so if they got cheap loans with low interest, would they do it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt would need to back the loans, otherwise the banks wont do it....bad time to borrow money :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but that's a form of government spending that's "cheap"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, the US congress isnt known for its intelligence when it comes to spending our tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low temp geothermal energy will revolutionize the geothermal industry.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tapping the 165 F water temp geothermal locations would produce enough energy to power the US 5x over.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low oxygen zones in the oceans are expanding.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'geothermal energy is quite popular in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love it....Alaska has enough geothermal energy potential to power the whole US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it isnt taken advantage of.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the oil barons and mine barons are paying countries to not take advantage to the new energy hence the poor decisions taken'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'globally, the potential of wind power is 676 terawatts of power.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt the US would have protected kuwait and saudi arabia in the first gulf war if they had been producing millions of barrels per day of broccoli.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see the US govt jump headlong into new battery research.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like the US govmt to jump in a lake'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as of 2009, USA was ranked 12th for co2 emissions per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore has higher co2 emission per capita than france'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'who was ranked number 1?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'qatar'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'as in least emissions per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'oh not a good ranking to top then :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'makes sense - dense population first world mechanised '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'n cheap oil '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil production does it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil producing nations are all at the to'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'top'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so cheap oil or the production of it causses the emmisions ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'production causes emissions, odd that, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who'd have thunk it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'whack a CO2 tax on that n food prices in the US spike .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the big dog growls and the tax evaporates .. why Oz is trying the tax is beyond me '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because australia is easy to control'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the left here is outta control , the right is ineffectual and tbh business runs the show here r'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the new world order'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your future in global banking cartel hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'not this lil black duck :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or white duck if you wanna get semi literal'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'currently working on food n power security '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'will take me off the grid '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol be the uni?una bomb? before long :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the guy whose mind got scrambled by the mind control experiments in the 70s?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the guy that hid out in a cabin in the woods and tryied bombing ppl with letter bombs - joking '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nod, that is the guy'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same guy ? movie farseeing experiments ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'staring at goats or something like that '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'worth a look at him ? he get anywhere ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, wasn't anything to do with that, was part of the MKULTRA program, which you can look up'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok I know of that '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'kids stuff '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it the Illinois governor wants to audit and record all sales and transfers of gold?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already have laws in place that make people buying gold not do in cash, and have a full record of what they bought, when, from who, and for how much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is gold a lethal weapon now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'french and british forces deploy to Mali. Nobody asked us about it, fucking government'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we have the farce of French troops fighting their own affiliated Islamic group in Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be intersting'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only if you botch the operation, Dread.  Do it right and they won't feel a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos eyes Hanslanda suspiciously.
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of a ticket on an airline trip of NYC to Texas can cost from $110 to $900 a ticket depending on WHEN you buy the ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that including the 2-week window just prior to your flight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 2 week window gets you the $110-200 ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really?  I thought it got more expensive the closer to your flight you got.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You manage to get a ticket 5min before the flight leaves at the boarding slot and you are paying $900'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The airlines also enjoy overselling tickets right up to the boarding time....they will sell a $900 ticket, and offer you $300 off a future flight if you give up your cheap flight so that the airline can make more money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta love standby'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the cargo shipped by airlines is not inspected.....anything could be in the cargo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the change pretty much happened overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: the change in order to keep up would've happened overnight...just the reason for its necessity didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, follow the convo wherever it goes nobody knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flight from NYC to LA for american airlines can make the airline a profit of $200....on $54,000 of expenses for the flight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'From now on, when you buy a ticket with a major airline.....make sure the airline is actually servicing that flight, and not a 2nd tier regional service company.....Just because the jet says one name on it, it doesnt mean it is actually serviced by that company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2009, a continental jet went down because of the service company colgan air pilot was not worth shit, 49 people died.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pilot had failed 5 previous performance checks before the flight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When you purchase your ticket online, make sure to read the fine print...it will tell you there if the jet is being flown by a service company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pinnacle Airlines Corp. phased out the Colgan Air name on September 5, 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA's job is to protect airlines, not to protect passengers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the earth was 6 degrees C cooler right now, we would be in an ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing it is trending up precipitously then'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'couple more degrees and the UK and Florida and Louisiana will be underwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'perhaps an iceage would be a good thing ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'would help with the problem a lil ? perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm thinking the prob is human impact ? am I right ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'an ige age would thin the herd a lil ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'iceage*'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and if the earth were 6 degrees hotter, there be near extinctions -- the six degrees cooler observation is irrelevant - not going to happen for a while  -- the six degrees hotter though ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you want to 'thin' the herd as you say....how about you go jump in a volcano, let a bus run your butt over. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is there a more natural form of eugenics that pure survival ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hey Riz :D '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '<---Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so we are of the opinion that every life is a unique and precious lil snowflake ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the funneral bell tolls for us all ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or are we saying that we have dead weight , sucking resources '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or are we saying lets do things differently and no need to kull'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change has brought about a change in agriculture world wide...there are now 400+ vineyards in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and areas in spain and france are now to hot for wine grapes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty awful'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm pretty , and aweful ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what about chocolate plantations in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 3 F avg temp increase would turn Russian Siberia into the next breadbasket of the world, Canada also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'central Oz becomes more like african savvana'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget Antarctica :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless we can import african kids to tend the chocolate plantations...they wont appear in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ship em straight to antartica !'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'great idea, chocolate is almost like cotton. They know what to do :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'make up for the loss in penguin population , no tuxedo required '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there are lots of unemployed Texan children there to be exploited, and republican christian children don't need to go to school -- "creationism" explains everything, to them at least - "God did it"  '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is a wider paradigm . Technology will solve it '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, unemployed american children sell drugs on the street.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can make more money that way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zyclon B - the new dole'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes 200 million metric tons of co2 per year to produce all the ingredients to make the yearly supply of cheeseburgers in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz but with Starling gone someone has to be devils advocate ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't you mean the Devil... :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shhhh the illusion is part of the show '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm an alt :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '-4 44'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'was unaware of US food susidies untill very recently - you mob are fucked !'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2 degree C increase....prob see the end of ice on Greenland, and the Canadian tundra would turn into forestland, most of the low elevation islands in the oceans would be almost gone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there have been farm subsidies for almost 80 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'farm subsidies are necessary to keep a balanced supply of food available year round, otherwise you have boom and bust seasons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah apparently so .. way to insulate a market sector ... fast food is cheaper than slow food ... thats just wrong ... imo'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'buy in season - limit food miles '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It took nature 150,000 years to create the great ice sheets of Greenland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and mankind got rid of them in less than ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will probably melt in completely in less than 300 :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so kull or change behaviuor ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not completely us, but we are in between ice ages right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that is going hit the infrastructures in Greenland and Iceland'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 levels are only at 368 ppm, during the dinosaur times it was 10x higher than that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I thin by that time the problem will be global ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and we are aiming for that ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dinosaurs would most likely still be ruling this planet if that asteroid had not hit, or if the big volcanoes of the planet hadnt erupted around the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and when the world runs out of oil gas coal to burn, back comes the ice cold -- or maybe not - the planet may keep on heating up since there is far less ice to reflect the sunlight'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol n florida would look a lil different'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world will never run out of oil and gas to burn, we will advance to cleaner forms of energy in time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as it becomes cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the stone age didnt end because they ran out of stones.....same philosphy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'there has never been a wider divide between rich and poor as now ... every living standard measurement shows that divide is killing the poor '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when the world runs out of oil gas coal to burn, the atmospheric CO2 levels shall drop, permitting eventual global cooling'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday solar will replace most forms of energy production, and who knows by then fusion will become a reality and become portable.....fission and fusion engines for space ships.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unreal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'assuning there is yet enough plant life to extract that CO2'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The earth will continue, with or without us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'humans are like roaches - we will survive too '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just who ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Last and First Men" - Olaf Stapledon -- a boring scifi book, conjecturing what may happen after mankind goes extinct'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we will never be extinct - it is a case of die last or get off(planet)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 20% increase in efficiency of coal power plants would help illeviate most of the co2 production'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so Riz, it's about carbon sequestration'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon squestration is a pie in the sky idea...it makes more sense to feed the co2 to algae.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'still don't help with food security - we are feeding our poor crap fast food cause its cheaper than real food'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well it was sequestered in the form of coal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'feeding it to algae doesn't remove it from the carbon cycle'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so no net gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'feed the poor algae .. would be better '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'anyone seen an old movie called Soylent Green? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, then we turn the algae into fuel and feed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'poor urban dwellers can't afford the kitchen or the time to prepare slow food '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 acre of algae can produce 5000 gallons of diesel fuel and 2000 gallons of ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and yet we are ok with feeding em crap fast food ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yepm some are waiting for the sequel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but I think you are missing the point Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you've seen it !!'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would shift the equilibrium to where more Carbon is actively in the cycle'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I got a VHS machine recently - have been on an old movie binge ever since '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Charleton Heston - comedic acting - camp '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be a miniscule amount compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol he ius over the top '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be what it is today, plus whatever you burn as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Soylent people is Green!" -- the sequel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '"the rise of the dreadlock"'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the cars would be running on fuel created from the burning of coal...that alone is a huge drop in co2 production.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'expand ur Q? Riz ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you are burning coal releasing the trapped carbon as CO2'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'algae production and carbon recycling reduces the requirement to burn oil gas coal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'oh fossil fuel is just a no brainer - just food prices are liinked to it '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you are not releasing 100% of the co2 from that coal, because right now you are producing co2 from cars, and power plants...but if the power plants are not releasing co2 and that co2 is fueling algae production to make fuel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we have a CO2 shortage ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or, you could get real and go with nuclear. thorium looks awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is a huge reduction in co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in time, coal will be phased out anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Dag makes a good point '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'still perfer solar/geothermic '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuclear - safest and cleanest'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '18 coal plants shutdown in the US in the last 5 years, and another 30 were cancelled in favor of cleaner natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention all the wind turbines we are installing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's because coal is inefficient'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and dirty'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wind/solar are no good for baseload imo -geothermic is '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but that may increase the radiation pollution levels, since the USA inststs on contaminating warzones with yet radioactive depleted U238 -- THe USA makes the Nazis look benign'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is extremely efficient, but the regulators decided natgas would be better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'natgas is more efficient than coal, I don't know what you are talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least in Texas it makes sense to build natgas compared to coal....Texas has huge reserves of natgas, and low reserves of coal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'natgas yet comes from the ground, adding to the above ground CO2 '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zela - coal plants are more radioactive than nuclear plants ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so what, it is 50% lower in co2 emissions, get over yourself and accept the facts....money talks, and bullshit walks :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'natgas is more efficient than coal, regardless of which one you have more of'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, coal is much more radioactive than nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'where is all that extra carbon going to go -- the H2CO3 in the oceans is dissolving coral'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'meh both suck compared to solar'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar costs to much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for solar thermal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not all countries have enough sunshine for that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar thermal is currently on par with wind'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ssems the Oceans are not handling the extra CO2 yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and there are hidden costs - manufacturing pollution etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our biggest problem is energy storage and delivery'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the Coral reefs dissolve, what does that do to the Ocean currents'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'that needs to be solved on a household level imo storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the the Great Barrier Reef dissolves, what does that do to the estern coastline of Australia'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, ocean currents are affected by the placement of the continents.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz .. not only .. tbh out of my area of expertise'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and some evidence has shown that coral reefs have been migrating to cooler deeper water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'no more Tsunami protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the deep ocean current in the atlantic ever shuts down, we could always use high explosives to create a new path for warm water to go through a huge non blocked canal at latin america.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I doubt it would be that simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well of course not, but it would move a lot of warm water into the pacific.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nuclear explosives?  -- the Panamanians are not going to like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, like people say...sometimes you have to sacrifice....there goes panama :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amazing....last year Alaska had record snowfalls, and now this winter...almost nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'global warming is also causing global variability'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with more atmospheric thermal energy, the "butterfly effect" may be more chaotic'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'atmospheric wind currents may change on seeming whimsy'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10 million gallons of water is pumped out of the NYC subway system each day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maybe the extra Vineyards in the UK did a butterfly effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are thy going to fix that NYC subway leak'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is normal seepage in the NYC subway system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'NYC smells - subway is linked? .. dunno was there once when young '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '14,000 new cars hit the road in China every day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is 1/3 the amount that is sold each year in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'current first world aspirations are not sustainable if the third world gets onboard'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The core of the fusion power plant that is being built is 10x hotter than the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome back to the Cretaceous era.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope you enjoy your stay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of big bugs, and big plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Caffeine plus Aspartame equals dead brain cells, but before they die, they are happy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz nicotine is still legal - misplaced outrage ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diet soda makes you fat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'they are fat anyway - they don't train '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'diet soda means you can eat what ever you like'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tbh I drink water with an electrolyte replacement or I cramp up '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'squincher or gatorade'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all you need is magnesium in your diet'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and drink beer for vitamin b'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I do a multi vit every morn but I sweat like hell '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'eat a balanced diet instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'n I drink spirits - usually vodka'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I eat well'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you ate well you wouldn't cramp up or need to take multivitamins'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I work outdoors in extreme heat 3 days a week - trust me I have the diet dwn pat for no cramps'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you need food supplements, you could eat better'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you train for sports Dag ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I still do, so we on the same page , no normal diet is gonna satiate what I need without supliments'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i disagree. essentially you're missing something in your diet or you don't eat enough of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you do pro sports on drugs it's a different matter, of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '- my prob is I drink Way too much .. but I stand by my statement - I live on vit supliments - no steriods '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in other words - depends how far you're taking it. amateur sports doesn't need it imho'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I was a nationally compedaitive swimmer before I got sick - martial arts now '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'training is something you don't just walk away from - just refocus'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol tbh I still love to swim'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'can go hard n still not sweat'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'what was ur sport ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naughty whitehouse are breaking the law again'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10,000 turn up to gun show in california'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, best comment so far: "Obama makes Nixon look like a saint"'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, should congress refuse to raise the debt ceiling? could be a bit of fun'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'congress might want to look into not spending twice as much money as they make'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have a great track record'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many health insurance companies are putting out double digit %age hikes in premiums. Many fees and deductables have gone up buy 100%'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on the bbc forum this lunchtime shouting about changes in UK disability welfare reform didn't take too kindly to having it pointed out that the government was essentially run by a bunch of globalist banking, corporate, and political elite who would love nothing more than to round up all the bottomfeeding disabled folk into a concentration camp and gas the lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truth cutting through the bullshit like a hot knife through butter'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/01/academics-pay-pdftribute-to-advocate-aaron-swartz.html?cmp=rss'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was also fiercely critical of Obama's online security act'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one wonders if he committed suicide or whether he was suicided'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been an awful lot of anti-obama critics dying the last week or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he was '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he was very intelligent, and was an activist... '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a loss for the world really.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i think was suicided tiger.. but, ofcourse i cant prove it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'this is intresting http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Belgium should open up their assisted suicide program to foreigners who are terminally ill.  Charge a fee for it, I bet they balance their budget with it for awhile until other countries start doing it for fees as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love taking chicken ramen soup, adding diced chicken breast, pinto beans, mixed vegetables, garlic, and some olive oil to it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never tried it with the fartfruit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good source of fiber, and if you eat beans quite a bit, you dont get the bad gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you do it warm, or as a cold dish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'warm'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, have you had your serving of propylene glycol today ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I should have. It's cold!'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably more than one.  It's in all the bread I make.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is used to make blueberry flavoring also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the bee has 2 stomachs, one for digestion and the other for storage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'something to think about https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wx9GxXYKx_8'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rick astley singing ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you think about with rick ashley?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2011, the United States exported more petroleum products including gasoline, diesel and other fuels than it imported. That had not happened in more than half a century.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other than Texas, the rest of the USA is broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not quite true, actually not remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, North Dakota, Wyoming, are also rolling in it, so is Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so other than republican states that have natural oil/gas reserves...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New Mexico will have a surplus from vast oil and gas production in the coming years also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As will lousiana, ohio, florida, colorado, and a couple more'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'california could join the list, but they are idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're allowed to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is expected that the US will become the next Saudi Arabia in the next few years, and for the forseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, an authoritarian dictatorship under severe sharia law?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production, you nincompoop :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highest co2 output per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supressing political dissent with torture and death?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no wait, you already do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, the US might adopt Sharia law, the fundamentalist christian version'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well with people legislating morals, I don't see it as unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what Sharia law is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even morals, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is it then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legislating the twisted interpretations of a 8th century tribal leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no need to denigrate Islam, it makes as much sense as Christianity or organized religion in general'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organized donkeyism is better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, it's not denigrating Islam, it's just the truth of the matter, The modern bible is just the same - stories and morals of it's founders twisted and altered over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twisted, changed and altered to suit the vested interests of the person controlling the congregation at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the core Jesus teachings were benign'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muhammed never ordered people of other religions killed, nor did he prohibit any from Islam leaving'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither did he force all women to wear a black sheet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the core Mohammad teachings are terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst points excitedly at Zade!
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'garbage, serious garbage'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anway, i have work to do, go look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the zade manifesto would have us all living in caves.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html -- Islam refresher'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not interested'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not slanted at all, you don't want to stack up the dead though Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone should watch, Little Mosque on the Prairie....a nice canadian tv show that ran for 5 seasons or so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth is wrong, although furnished caves wih modern facilities are safer than houses with thin walls'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html <-- The unabridged dirt on Islam and Mohammad'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind a cave personally.....with 50 foot thick walls, etc, a nice drilled well, electricity, heat source, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade that website is pure propoganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know of the bad stuff done in the name of Islam, Zade, but it's not a history'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could do the same thing for Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or for Judaism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, the website provides references to the unabridged Koran and other islamic books'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in Arabic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I made a sculpture of mohammed today out of bacon.....it was tasty after cooking it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could be arrested for that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've studied Christianity, and the conclusion is that Christianity is far more benign than terrorist Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I am scared shitless in my boots here......oh no, run for the hills!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll send TSA armed drones after you if you run to the hills'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've "studied" Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet you haven't studied Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I.e. taken someone else's word, because as the question you dodged earlier states, can you read Arabic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Kinda doubt he can read Hebrew either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, most english speakers can barely read english.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a hobby, i search for dirt on Christianity and other religions -- the ~jai/satyamevajayate was extremely informative'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you read the Satanic Verses yet ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so i am aware of some of the "g(l)orious" history of Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess there's no risk of you coming up to some solutions to the country's problems then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav has read the Satanic Bible, found it kind boring.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I like hedonism as much as the next guy, but they threw in a bunch of rituals and crap I could do without.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews killed jesus :('
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jews killed loads of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that Oscar Le Vey (wannabe author) of Satanic Verses is a disappointing "fraud"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salman rushdie ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is a decent author.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a popular house guest of the Iranian supreme leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'witchcraft practitioners are mostly psychotic wannabees'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talking of different books and different authors'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the satanic verses was a book based on the life of mohammed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is why the iranian govt condemned him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if I write a book about an islamic serial killer named mohammed the iranian govt will put a fatwa on me too. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sidetracked by similar reference to the "Satanic Bible" book (wannabe witchcraft book of mid last century)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never bothered to read Salmon's book -- why bother '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Salmon's book is a fiction, so not that credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the irony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ~jai/satyamevajayate website references the Koran and other Islamic books -- and those references may be checked -- so is credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am not interested in smear-fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that website references interpretations of those books, so it is only as credible as the translation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is like taking the dialog from the original Witcher game as legit'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and most of the English-speaking Christians reference English translations of the Bible and not the original Greek or Hebrew -- so what - the translations are near enough as a starter'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not condeming the bible and christianity as fundamentally terrorist teachings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so I don't really care about the veracity of it's translation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are holding up a website with an obvious axe to grind as a truthful narrative, which is bogus'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English translations of the Koran (from the original arabic) are near accurate enough (terrorism is terrorism in either arabic or English)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell that to the native americans, the mayans, and other assorted peoples'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'terrorism is a nice catchall for something you don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just don't think religion is important anymore - it used to be one of the biggest providers of community charity and care, and still does in tiny pockets, but government has wrested that job from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody wants to give it back to them, so a new plan is needed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some nitpicky Christians do use that argument of "original language", that the English translation is "inaccurate", that the original greek or hebrew must be used for the "holy" interpretaion -- so okay - there is the Strongs reference '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you go support the impeachment of Obama instead, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism by any other language is yet terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade that is moronic'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah, what TN said'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'iv'e even heard Catholics blatantly state that the Roman Catholic Church never committed any "crimes against humanity" -- reason: the RCC was guided by and doing the Holy Work of god '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but why are you surprised by this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a statement of the obvious'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like being surprised that the government has corrupt and/or evil elements'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like being shocked that government blows up it's own people to blame it on a group they want to attack/demonize/invade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've studied various religions over the decades, and from experience, the ~jai/satyamevajayate seems very credible -- if you believe the website is in error, attempt to find significant errors in what the website posted - you are likely going to fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone is doubting it's credibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm questioning it's usefulness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is useful to Xylix , speaks volumes to me .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the usefulness is countering the praisers of islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't work, they're zealots'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have bigger fish to fry, let them stick to their medieval ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more you interfere, the worse it makes them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look to solve problems at home before you start stirring up foreigners'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'feed the next generation of "insert minority/cult here " US TV and fast food - problem solved .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is hilarious listening to you guys blather'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ethnocentrism is a wonderful thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol is really trainwreck TV here atm - it's become dumbed down recently ? seems like it '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'here , just an observation - not you Tiggy but in general '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when muslims come to christian nations preaching that Islam is benign and seeking converts, that www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html website is an excellent refresher'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, that's because you've either got Zade shouting about the evils of Islam, Chemosh going on about Hitler, and if anyone brings anything else up whatsoever, it'll get shot down by the loony left and you'll be accused of being racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the whole Anton Le Vay meets Salmon Rushie was truly cringeworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'muslims coming to christian nations violently, preach on Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there is truth in that in Africa right now, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'didn't we learn to iigy it when it was Xyliz ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I guess you guys didn't hear about France sending troops to Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah say you say yesterday Tiggy but on Tz - couldn't ask - whats the deal there ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dont doubt there might be conflicts in Africa involving Muslims atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade gets the uneasy impression that Twyst is an Islam supporter
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people that Nato put into charge of Libya are invading Mali, France is fighting back against Islamic Extremists (also present in Syria) whom Nato armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is not a tenant of the religion as Zade is implying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be out of place in a farce comedy movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fundamentalist religion and lack of education go hand in hand '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst sniggers at Zade's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'NATO SNAFU then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deliberate, angel'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy it's Tzadkiel - so Tz will do mate '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certain patriot media have been saying this would happen for years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'interesting - to what end ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give them an excuse to continue warfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially about money, about having an excuse to invade Africa, an excuse to further clamp down on liberty at home'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty much describes every war since WW2'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'surly with an eye to peace so trade and commerce can continue of their terms ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, twyst, pretty much any that Nato have been involved in'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'on thier own terms *'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade !  Jehovahs Wittnesses ! calling NATO and the UN the beast ! ur que !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any idiot could see that while Gadaffi, Mubarak, and Assad were dictators, they were the only thing holding their countries together, and the only thing preventing militant Islam gaining foothold'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the west literally double-crossed Gadaffi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's grotesque'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Western model is at least far more benign than what is going on regions war-town by religious extremists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only on the surface, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah imo they underestimated the islamic porwebase .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it has nothing to do w/ east v west or christian v muslim Zade, stop being a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'they though youth would westernise the countries imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they moved far too early in the those african/middle east countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only organised political movement were the islamists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol faith in social media - pollyanna much ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing the west could have done is stayed the hell out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, what you are talking about leads to situations like the Shah of Iran'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy is TN ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't advocate freedom and Democracy and then be upset if they don't elect those you favor'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the main problem w/ Africa and the ME is corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, the christian Bible teaches some christian preachers to be martyrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Shah of Iran was directly as a result of the USA/UK led coup of Mohammed Mosadeq in 1953, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'much more so than in western Democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they put him in power, and he terrorized his people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he was good for the west so they were okay with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, it was a reaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the powers that be have a vested intrest in maiming a fragile process ... I'm suspicious to say the least '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslim Koran teaches muslims to be terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west had originally left them alone, it would have been fine, Mohammed Mosadeq was a SECULAR leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shut up Xyl'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his only crime was wanting to nationalise Iran's oil industry to break the monopoly on it that UK/USA had'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so basically, the whole trouble with Iran now is because of USA/UK's greed and want for oil'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's got to be some kind of global karma in that, rigth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you are talking about right now, non-intervention because the "islamists" are the only ones organized is similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'increased oil production in the US is perhaps a way to fight back on the US part ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west SUPPORTED the islamists in these recent u prisings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like us supporting Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Islamists are not like hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the bad guys in the fight'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'dammit - and Dru ain't even here Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the analogy is accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the BIble versus the Koran  -- which is going to win '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'analogy is innacurate, Godwin's law illustrated right here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be so silly, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I did say .. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is an incompetent President in overseas politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so Zade is a troll, it all makes sense now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, ok, if you want to be pedantic Twyst, the Muslim Brotherhood was founded at the time of, and was involved with the Nazi's in WW2. Is that direct enough for you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain ("Peace in our time")'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are rumblings of impeachment going on right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure Hitler only liked Aryan Christians and killed everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please do'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that was sarcastic TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Winston Churchil was required to challenge the Nazis, not Neville Chamberlain'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then take my word for it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'name the last war of conquest started by Muslims Zade, I'll wait'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and the train is wrecked ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mali, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama likely believes in "Why can't we all get along." - (a quote from "Mars invades Earth")'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what I really love is after 8 years of G.W., how can any other president look incompetent. Or did you lower the bar for the Bush so he wouldn't have to jump too high?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just convenient amnesia Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html <--- start there Twist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yea I lowered the bar mate - great kickbacks '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how depressing is it, Anaristos, that after GWB, that a comparison can even be made?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the website is PROPOGANDA'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT is how much trouble you guys are in :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'impossible, when GW was elected the US hit rock bottom :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'accurate propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when GW was appointed the US hit rock bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find it has to do with the lobbyists/agenda behind the president'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he didn't get elected the first time, but he got elected the second :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'would contend that business has more power that politics in the US ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'business is politics in US and vice cersa'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'puppet president is new, so the public face is different (and might be a better presenter/media manipulator) but the agenda is identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the best propaganda is often the brutal honest truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please look up the definition of propoganda, that will really help this conversation move along'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise propaganda isn't necessary lies or manipulation, there is black, white and grey propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol you think ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(mis)labeling something as "propaganda" does not invalidate the facts or the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry to twyst and the others, but that is correct, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at mainstream media for good examples of propaganda in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, any media really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, dictianery sophistry trickery won't work here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not sophistry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you had an impartial peer reviewed source, I would consider your arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the information has sources posted, you can peer review them yourself, twyst, stop being so intellectually lazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't give me a hindu propaganda website as proof, when India and Pakistan have been at each others throats since Indian independence'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html presented the facts, and that is excellent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a critical view is "balanced" when the view is presenting the facts and is neither deceitful nor lying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, I buy that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the view you're trying to imply from this website?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i went through the agony of reading that website -- you may as do some suffering also in the search for facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't steal from people who can't afford it, and don't hurt people who do not deserve it.....rules to live by.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I get more base Riz - reciprocity and alturism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ethics all higher order mammals should aspire to :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tit for tat n play nice :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'my evil twin would say " I believe in karma and I have no problem being an instrument of it"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'kinda reciprocity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Nazi !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'that was her too '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'does Godwin's law cover neo-nazis ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'godwin's law isn't a real law, just like executive orders'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'was playin Tiggy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unpack executive orders ? presidential decree , right ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wince. listening to radio broadcast and this comment was sailing a little close to the wind: "The modern Democrat party exists to put black people 6-feet under"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'thay can say that on radio? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'freedom of speach ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'said it on radio in an in-studio interview with a black person :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol awkward'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the thing is, i know why it was said, and what the basis was. It's exageration of course and somewhat unfair, but the grain of truth that exists in it is that elements of the Democrat party, including people they look up to in role models DID have that as a plan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those people are still alive and active inside the party'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these sorts of people exist in both parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that radio broadcast sounds like a "republican" appraisal of the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin points at Tigernuts and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I'm sure you have to be either republicrat or demopublican, other alternatives are not valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tintin++?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't really claim one side or the other because they are likewise explicit about pointing out the Bush involvement in WW2 nazis, the russian reveolution and others'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'just Tinada on alt, nothing exciting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"libertarian", "republivcan", a thorny toilet rose by any other name'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same just Tzadkiel on an alt - you get channbanned too ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't advertise your ignorance, Zade ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I get daily blessings!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'too late Tiggy '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel  lefty loosy righty tighty 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you tool :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a libertarian sound like a republican, quacks like a republican, waddles like a republican, then that's likely a republican posing as a libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should look up the Nolan chart, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might help you come to terms with the false left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy I was getting there '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a reluctant UKIP supporter, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters: is "paradigm" a word used by communists
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first i was a republican, now i'm a communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that doesn't prove you don't understand, I don't know what else would'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'link me Tiggy or short for kippers ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use your favourite NSA spy engine to look it up, Tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am - asking you :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you don't fool me :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'isolationism then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel kicks a soapbox Tiggys way - us it ? 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you think just because I don't want my country to be run from Brussels that it makes you isolationist?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it's being run from Brussels, than the people who were running it before can't have been too good'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel smiles 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, Twyst, then I guess I need to give you guys a 101 on the European union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will that be cash or charge ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the early 1970s, a referendum in the UK narrowly passed to sign UK up to a "Free Trade Agreement" with Europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'go ahead, I don't mind learning about things I don't know much about :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over the following 50 years, this "Free Trade Agreement" has developed into a European Parliament that dictates around 75% of all the laws to it's member states covering a whole range of topics. Freedom of movement and trade (except when it suits them) and even talk now of fiscal union, common taxation etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a creeping takeover, not dissimilar to the way the US federal government has leeched power and control over the member states of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UKIP wants to remove us from that union. They want to trade with teh world, but not be dictated to by them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US been 1 country for over 200 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this fiction that the States are independent is a pleasant one, but not real'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that's where the analogy falls down, the EU were independant sovereign countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not wholly fiction, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is for all the important things'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's subjective'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even people who profess to believe it change their tune when s&*t hits the fan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some states were independant countries, some were commonwealths, some were just colonies'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Lousiana after BP and Katrina, New Jersey after Sandy etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, every state in the UNION has its own constitution that allows itself to be a member of the united states and allow the US federal govt to make foreign relations, defense, and other things for a common good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are dreadful examples, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at the PIGS of europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is inclined to help them out, because it is "their" problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the Federal government response wasn't exactly great in either circumstance, but neither is it relevent since help is ALWAYS granted to foreign countries in the event of disasters, regardless of membership of any union or other'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not just natural disasters but financial ones as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if someone attacked Alabama, they wouldn't have to petition the US government to help them out etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for all intents and purposes it is one Unified country'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a valid argument, that was the purpose of the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is because they have a mutual defense treaty with the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true of membership of Nato'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fast food does attack em all equally .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is semantics Rizgoth, perpetuating the falsehood that the States are independent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what happened to the south when it tried to secede? I forget'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if they were truly independent secession would be their choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The states can be independent, it has happened before, it can happen again...the road is not easy, but it can happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst, the arragement of the union is very well documented and laid out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's all I'm saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was defined what powers the feds would have, and what would remain in the hands of the people and the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN, the founding fathers were not omniscient '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it was essentially that the states would be largely autonomous, the feds would deal with foreign policy, defence, and interstate commerce'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fine, twyst, but you have to understand that what was set up is not being followed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas joined the union because the feds agreed to pay off its public debt, and protect it from Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left are living a lie'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the gun argument at the moment: if you want to restrict guns, table a motion to alter the second ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texicans basically stole Texas from mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't lie to people and try and claim you have authority to tinker with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to lie to people and say it's ok to wiretap and monitor everyone, repeal the fourth ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or change it. don't lie to people and say it somehow doesn't apply'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you understand?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see what you are saying TN, and I don't disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good. now why do you think they won't table ammendments to the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't understand what you mean by table'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'table? hmm, "to put forward before parliament" (in this case congress/senate and the states)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay that phrase is not common in the American lexicon'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, you know i'm not american :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is welsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was explaining my lack of understanding not yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'regardless'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why do you think they won't put forward changes to the constitution to make these law changes valid rather than lying and sneaking them by?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz no offence ment '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'representative Democracy is not perfect and never has been'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these things have been occuring since the beginning'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like a dodge, Twyst, how about an honest answer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, must I say it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because the way they are doing it is easier'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still spin and twisting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't put forward ammendments to make their polices legitimate BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WOULD NOT PASS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'while idiots vote democracy is flawed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see how much effort you just put into defending immoral, unethical, or just plain opaque government practice? Whoever does it is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we were promised an honest and transparent administration. yet another broken promise'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully you understand now my opposition to many things. hell, i don't even own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a broken system TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is good at maintaining the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i entirely agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Bad Tiggy ! self determination in violence is a base survival trait .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it's better than nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it, or nothing are not the only two options'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the US government prefers to tweak the amendments than outright change them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second amendment made sense in an age when this country was young and remembering the tyranny of being a colony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even still no one wants to outright ban gun ownership, at least not the majority'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just putting in common sense restrictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the right to vote is illustrated in the constitution but it has restrictions, why not gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'banning guns is like banning drugs - cause that worked ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a Canadian, i like the 2nd amendment in the USA for the USA citizens -- feel safer here in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'restricting guns is not banning them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw you, I deserve to buy a full auto machine gun and go hunting rabbits with it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, twyst, but the bill being put forward has provisions to confiscate all firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the subterfuge'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it's that slippery slope argument that keeps gun ownership from being acceptable to all'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as it stands I could buy enough arms for a small army'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how does that make any sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a bureaucratic police state, "restricting" is able to degenerate to the equivalent of "baning"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i put forward an idea for gun control: There should be a gun license (federal database) that you need to be 16 to get, like a drivers license it should require certain amount of tuition in safety and handling. It should list whether you have permission/training to open carry/close carry/trade in firearms, and whether it's for Singel shot, semi-auto, or specialist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'would you trust every person you met on the street to chaffeur you around town TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Australia has had deaconian gun ownership plays for at least a decade - makes ammo hard to buy but has done nothing to limit illegal arms If you want something - just means it's off record and you have to deal with criminals '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR restricted and banned guns from the public, and then went on to commit genocide within the USSR -- millions died'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be renewable each year with a small fee, it should be suspendable if you're on meds or have a violent crime conviction, it could be revokable in extreme circumstances. To get a license will require local confirmation that you have correct secure storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try putting that bill up in congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police should be able to look up your allowances much like they can with drivers licvense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the NRA cronies would shoot it down sooo fast'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buying stuff should check your license but not register the firearm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Twyst, your suggestions for "gun-control" seem "genocidal" and unAmerican'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'firearms should be registered'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would support it, because it is not gun registration, it's person registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'false analogy Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firearm registration is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then why are they against it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just means you are responsible to ensure that your gun is used in a proper manner'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extremely accurate potential scenario analogy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they know it won't work and can be used against people for political and ideological reaons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't mean that at all, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I know x gun is registered to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would take care to make sure it is not used in commiting crimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do you think criminals file serial numbers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my plan guards against that far better,a nd oh, i forgot to mention, suspension and revokation must have a judicial process for arguing against a decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy you forget the "mentally ill" I can't hold a private pilot ticket in Oz let alone a firare yet I believe I have a right to defend myself with any means I have access to , thats just survival , trumps all faux legal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i look at worst case scenarios -- that is the partial reason that i may appear "tactless" in speech -- verbal brutal honesty'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well stop drinking water, because it will drown you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that with a gun license, Tz, if you get on mental pills tehy should suspend the license, which means you cannot buy, sell, or take your guns out in public'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the worst case scenario'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be reasonable, otherwise you are just being a lunatic'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they wrongly suspend, you can go to a judge and get it looked at'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is ANYTHING i've said unreasonable?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I can't go armed in piblic even legally in Oz '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, the trolls are refusing to be "pragmatic"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was talking to Zade, TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really, but it doesn't go far enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun ownership = vote ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it not do that registering firearms does'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to vote you have to be registered'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not to own a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true everywhere, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Australia is a dangerous location to express a controversial opinion -- you may be declared "insane" and damaged'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a closer match to liken it to car ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to buy a car, you have to register it at the DMV'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is true in a first world country like Oz - carrying a gun has got me out of some pretty bad situations and I have never had to fire at someone '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and have insurance, in case through negligence you injure someone or their property'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is for tax reasons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, in most states you must register each car you own, as well as in order to use the car, you must submit it for inspection regularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" denies firearms to those too poor to register the firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to check you're trained to use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'make registration free'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is illegal to manufacture your own guns in the US without a federal gun manufacturer license from the ATF.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't get a car registered without a valid license and insurance TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" permits the police to confiscate firearms on false charges'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's illegal to make certain parts of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, car registration has nothing to do with someone's competence in driving'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is also illegal to cut off part of the barrel of a shotgun. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but they can't legally register without having proof of competence'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does it stop people nicking cars and commiting crimes with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it's required nonetheless...the driver's license is for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but any idiot can buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you need proof of competence, which is why you should have a gun license'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" is able to degenerate to the equivalent of "banning" firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get a gun license to be able to buy guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you get your gun registered so you can own one'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'similar to cars'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what the government does not know, they can't confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to register the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you and I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun registration doesn't add anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the 410 pistol I carry is made from an old over n under shotgun - is a new piece but is the most hartm iminimising piece of luggage I carry daily atm - harm minimization for me '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you shouldn't be equating it to car ownership ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'registering guns is not necessary.....just require a background check to take a gun safety class, which would be required to buy a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then why do police officers have guns registered to their names?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrative purposes, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it adds responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it adds government control'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you shoot someone you have to justify yourself period'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the NRA types don't want that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an absurd statement'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is a kneejerk reaction evertime there is a guncrime - nothing more '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is it absurd'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA are not calling for the legalisation of gun homicide'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are calling for things that would make it easier and put the onus on investigators'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no they are not'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I can buy an unregistered firearm and kill someone with no witnesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they will never track me down'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have been supportive of measure to tighten up control of selling firearms to mentally ill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless they get lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol not true Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the very large part, legally owned firearms are not used in crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ridiculous assertion TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless all weapons have BALLISTICS registered, they won't track you down even if it is registered...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whether the gun is registered or not does not matter on whether they catch you or not.....you can whack someone and get rid of the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe they should ABe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not ridiculous, it's factually accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'take nothing leave nothing no motive '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals wouldn't register their guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think gun crime in the UK is mostly legal firearms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't give them a choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'even ordinary citizens like me can't register thier firarms - through class or because we can't hold a ticket for em - I am not a criminal - just someone that wants to take best practice to be safe '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun massacres are mostly predicated on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns escalate non lethal situations into lethal ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do something about those, and mental health and overprescriptions and you will solve that issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns also de-escalate confrontational situations into non-confrontational ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, if I wanted to whack someone....I would use a tiny amount of cyanide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'rape is "non lethal .. Id rather die personally '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or be able to defend myself - and I do '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, Tigernuts, I agree, it's well shown by history that having lots of guns tends to produce peace and tranquillity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also shown that the first thing a dictator-to-be does is disarm the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no centralized command in western nations, no dictators'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, they disarm a section of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they disarm the opposition, swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the general population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns .. and the uniforms that turn up after the fact .. not good enough for me '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that argument could be used against any law on the books TZ'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you seem to forget that dictators need a lot of people to rule -- one guy cannot control an entire population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't need a lot, no'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they do need a lot Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Drunk'ing Abel person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so when you say the general population, you mean that section of the general population that isn't involved in enforcing the situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't, twyst, they need a monopoly of FORCE'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they need the military under their thumb'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's been historically shown that it's amazing how small of a group of well-armed troops can keep a rather large population at bay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you force 300 million people to do you're bidding?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would need at least an army that is 10% that size to control such a population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you control the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah the gov't is huge TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, history has shown that most dictators kill off a good portion of the population, then the rest fall into place.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need control of the resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'every dictator usually rises from the ranks of the military or political parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they kill off a small but vocal portion of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb Occy !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a good portion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in either case they need thousands of people who agree with them and are willing to cede them power'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz mischann'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they kill of the vocal and viable opposition, to scare the rest of the population to shut up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in closing - From my cold dead hand... '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not by themselves they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many historical references do you need?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thousands to control hundreds of thousands to millions is not large...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is pretty large Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you need to learn what large means...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'large has no meaning and is relative'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and although Twyst is for gun-control, Twist is likely to be among the first to be "euthanised" when the new regime seizes control from a disarmed populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the point I am making is no dictator rules on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'large has meaning...and it being relative is the crux of my comment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'besides which, don't you think it's a little bit disproportionate? keeping assault rifles in the off chance you want to fight against a dictatorship?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have no point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not many people hold assault rifles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody has stated that a dictator rules as one person'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so how is that a point?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, there is no sensible definition of an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'frankly, if you are in a situation where there are loads of people with guns, I would be more worried about a dictatorship not less'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but you're a gass-guzzling redneck! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN and others are arguing that limiting gun ownership is the first step to dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically it is, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not the most important step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: funny, the founding fathers argued that very same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, to me, it makes more sense to ensure that you have a rich democracy which seems a better solution than making sure everyone can kill everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the situation is different Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a vital step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were recently members of a colony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'did the founding fathers not also think that "everyone is created equal" and owning slaves was not a contradiction?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going target shooting with my latest buy....a p90, like the ones they had on stargate sg1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't...and they argued that the situation would *NEVER EVEREVER* b edifferent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that was their entire point. human condition rules.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, the founding fathers were just a bunch of guys after all. It's possible that they were wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possible, swalec, but they weren't, as it goes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'history has shown that they weren't wrong on this...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so Aussie is now a dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in addition to the UK and Japan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as it's been a recurring theme all over the globe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is largely a dictatorship, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you need other ingredients Abe, limiting gun ownership is not the lynchpin'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also a far less safe place since they took the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just helps dictators solidify their control'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't said it is, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FN P90 is awesome....50 round horizontal clip, semi auto only though.....900 rounds per minute auto.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it is a critical one'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing no one is talking about banning guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just making reasonable changes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it is the one that determines how successful the oppression is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop fibbing, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for certain definition of reasonable...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the TALK is about reasonable changes, the POLICY is about registration and confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cost only $2600 to buy, straight from Belgium.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'registration is not a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'll start saving up, riz :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'confiscation, please point that out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'worth every penny. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read the bill being submitted to the Senate by Dianne Feinstein'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'registration is a step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to responsible gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'registration does nothing to make the owner more responsible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so anyone should be able to buy and own a gun abe, no questions asked?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody but That has been calling for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Twyst, that's why i called for gun licenses that require training and lay down people's entitlements'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice to see that you can bluff an argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not trying to bluff or be disingenous Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then why are you kneejerking a point that we've ALL been arguing against?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the current situation right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current situation is that background checks are done, then ignored'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could buy a gun today, no questions asked'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at gun shows TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, at gun shows'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend who just got out of the US army wants me to buy his gun....it is a M16-A2....the latest M16.....nice gun, but only worth about $500.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, in all states where checks are required, they're STILL required at gun shows'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they are required to only sell to licensed holders'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the background check would have been performed at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at gun shows, it's that same check that is performed...seeing if they're in the DB of pre-cleared'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no punishment if they don't abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the background checks aren't followed up: Newton town shooter failed background checks 5 times in the month leading up to the shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if guns were registered, I would make sure the guy I was selling to was licensed to carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with regisstration, if somebody moves and fails to reregister, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the discussion here was on the proposed law, not on current, which is *HUGELY* different per state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need registration for that, Twyst, you need a license'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with registration, if somebody fails to pay the registrsation fee every (say) five years, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if a gun was linked to you, you would be responsible for it, if that's not true I'll stop arguing right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with registration, if somebody is arrested for a crime, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has never been true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does car registration make you responsible for a car wreck?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if a car I owned and registered at the DMV was sold to some guy off the books and was used to commit a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wanna kill someone with that gun? Oh hey guyz, someone stole that gun the other day. I haven't gotten around to telling you about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would come looking for me, so I don't see how it "isn't true"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah you have to justify yourself though'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're advocating investigator laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the seller of a car doesn't need to have any paperwork about it being sold'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can buy any kind of weapon I want....we even bought a WWII tank. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I don't transfer the title it still belongs to me though '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have quite often just let someone walk off with vehicles to sell them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you no longer have responsibility for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I've even sold vehicles without bothering with titles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(those ones were to scrapyards)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it's being disposed, no one will use it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wholly different scenario'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you hand the signed title or piece of paper to the other guy, you have no evidence that anything took place'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all...you're talking about responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody but that other guy knows that I sold it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but for that other guy to legally use it, he has to register it and needs that title'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'signed and notarized'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not talking about legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not notarized'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing my responsibility if what had been registered as my property were used for illegal acts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would come to you, you would say I sold it, they would say who to?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I'd say "some guy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't know the names of ANYONE I've ever sold to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When we bought the sherman tank, its gun was plugged, but we replaced it with a new one that a 'friend' with a metal fab shop made for us. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's investigator laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, we now have a tank that can actually fire shells.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't know where they're from, don't care'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would if it was illegal not to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it is the whole point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're using this to demonstrate that it should be no different for firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you've failed miserably at that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because registration of the car didn't give me any more responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor would registration of the firearms themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so registration in addition to having to be responsible for the disposal of your firearm would'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as it stands you neither need to register or be responsible for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but yes lets keep the status quo, so they don't take our "liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, registration plus having to dispose stilldoesn't give responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as I've already demonstrated'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, someone stole it the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem is it you're trying to solve, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you report it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it just happened, haven't had a chance yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone know where I can find some 76 mm shells ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'had a really important meeting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so now if we can identify who stole it, we can hold them responsible for its ill use'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which gives you just as much info as you had without the registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'narrows down the list of suspects from 300 million to a couple thousand'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz if you could identify who used it, you can hold them responsible for its use'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it narrows it down to an identical list of suspects'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who would be hurt by gun registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all gun owners? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have no intention of registering my guns.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are immediately suspects and demonised'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are targets for confiscation, and it becomes a hitlist for a tyrant to go after'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'registering all jews in Germany wouldn't hurt any jews, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I guess what we have is good enough then, I hope none of your loved ones are ever gunned down needlessly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they are, twyst, it won't be from a registered gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We all have guns....we are the ones who will protect you. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still haven't quite twigged that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a guy with a gun didn't stop columbine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Like that housewife that shot the evil doer 5 times when he was trying to get at her kids....my only regret is the bastard survived.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that was a retarded story, I'm sure the guy was looking for her kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but there are tons of examples of shooters being stopped by public with guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably thought the house was unoccupied'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was shouted at, and he carried on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not condoning crime, but when has burglary become a capital offense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, that is why he followed her to the attic, and she shot him when he came into it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a conservative estimate is that 1,500,000 offenses are prevented in the USA by public gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would have shot the bastard in the head 5x.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a guy with a gun didn't stop columbine because nobody was allowed to have a gun in schools...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, when under stressful situations such as that, most people say to shoot for the largest target, ie the torso.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they had an armed security guard Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he ws the first to go'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'all laws have good intentions, and if the leaders who execute them are benevolent, then there are few problems...  the problem is, laws are a lot harder to repeal than to pass, and leadership changes over time.  what was once meant for good can be used for tyranny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given there was multiple people involved in Columbine, you'd need more than 1 guard'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there shouldn't be only one "good" gun in the area...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bad guys already know who he is and where he is...it's easy to snipe him before he knows wtf's going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all the kids should have had guns!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so having armed guards is inherently foolish'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'plus, like, automated turrets'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless you want to arm everyone everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, twyst, that's why you allow teachers and staff to conceal carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's quite good...but it only protects against more-normal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and pray none of them snap'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if a couple teachers had ankle holsters, or the principal a gun in the safe, things might have been diferent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they any more or less likely to snap than a cop?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they could snap whether or not they're "allowed" to carry in school'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not like we don't have any bad teachers molesting students or anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure some of the teachers own firearms, but didn't have them in school because it could get them fired'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most private schools have guns, it is just the public ones that are dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that's why i like it here. kids get wedgies not shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wedgies are banned here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everything is banned in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plenty of examples of tighter gun laws working in other western countries, but we will behind the times as usual'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of examples of it not working, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an assanine argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has so many factors, among them is mental health, POVERTY, culture, society'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, in 2009, esto had 70 homicides, 38 by firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blaming guns is just a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is esto short for Estonia?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'society in the US is based on FEAR, as long as that continues, violence will continue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quite easy to get a gun here, but when shootings are very rare. usually some rednecks drinking till someone gets angry and goes for the hunting rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada has more guns per capita than the US, and their violent crime rate is much lower than ours, but their non violent crime rate is much higher.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if gun proliferation was such a good thing, nuclear proliferation would be as well by the same argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people getting stabbed on the street is national news for a few weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls his eyes in disgust at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you just need good guys with nukes TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'already have those I imagine, so we should be fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, because you can stop a nuke with a nuke...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who are the "good guys" with nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all th good guys do have them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same way you can stop a gun with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a bullet with a bullet that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it doesn't go any farther'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nuke is not the case'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on a individual basis, being shot is like being nuked Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so cops never get shot I imagine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '2 sides with guns can kill 2 sides and no others...2 sides with nukes would obliterate the entire planet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they all carry guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'its rediculous, basic gun safety can be taught in an hour, plus a couple more on the range to get some practical experience on the range.  using a gun safely is a couple orders of magnitude easier than driving, but the average citizen can't safely conceal carry?  most conceal carry courses are way more than that btw.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets hope the hissy fit between pakistan and india does not go nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice to know that you can suspend reality when it suits you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Drunk'ing Abel!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Twist (trolling as) a 10 years old immature uneducated child - (equating guns with nukes)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not equating Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just using another example to illustrate the flaws in Abe and TN's arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the flaw in my argument, sorry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that if everyone has guns we will be safer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was your argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, using an invalid example to illustrate nothing...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said that disarming everyone doesn't make anyone safer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelincs and Tigernuts platforms are solid in this 2nd amendment topic '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are your friends.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'treat them with respect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And Twyst, just because other nations are doing gun control doesn't mean the US is "behind the times." It doesn't mean that they are progressing to a place we should want to go. Access to guns for law-abiding, sane citizens is a matter of individual liberty and taking your life into your own hands, rather than trusting the government to always be there as your father figure'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone put their arm in a blender and made it trendy, would you do so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are putting your life into gun owners hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that was relaly old, but got distracted'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could be a legal law abiding citizen with a legally purchased gun, until I shoot someone or someones I don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no amount of guns in others hands will stop me'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm certainly happy to live in a state which doesn't require registration of the weapons themselves, doesn't require a license to buy/own (but does require checks), and which has its conceal carry law written such that you're guaranteed a "yes" unless they can find a reason for a "no" :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just don't trust that when something happens, the police will always be there. And what if an attacker comes at your 86 year old grandma with a knife? Is she going to be able to defend herself without a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're a ninja seal now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you shoot someone you didnt like?  Are you a whacko who should be in a mental hospital or something?  Do you take medication for that ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'You, Twyst, already equated a worst case scenario to the possible drinking of water -- indicating a lack of "pragmatic" maturity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'guns are so complex they can't be trusted to the average citizen, yet so simple they make violence easy... which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'They aren't that complex, they just possess and undeniable ease of access to danger which certain criminal and mentally-ill individuals shouldn't have access to. Just as we don't let felons exercise their right to vote, or let blind people drive'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, funny you mention someone going at grandma with a knife...my grandma was held at knifepoint in an airport when I was younger'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont allow criminals to vote because if we did, we would be afraid they would actually get together and vote for prison reforms that should be done anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'felons that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so is the status quo alright with you Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You treat people like animals, and that is exactly what you will get.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the status quo isn't the status quo...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR used to commit "crimes against humanity" by labeling "dissenters" as "mentally unstable" and "insane" and damaging them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing similar between vermont and new york'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'talk about sophistry,'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what does that even mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what does what mean?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the status quo isn't the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing "The US"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is currently no such thing as gun laws in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe there should be a minimum standard'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that doesn't make sense Abel. Read the 1934 and 1968 gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've lived in New York State, and I now live in Pennsylvania...there is no semblance of similarity between the two'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes no sense to have loose gun laws in one state and easily obtainable ones in another when people can freely migrate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Can't buy a gun in a state other than your own? Federal law. Background check on pistol purchase from dealer? FEderal law'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Tipro: it makes full sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can buy guns in other states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah it does, but just pointing there are federal laws. And it's illegal to buy a handgun in a state other than your resident state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'don't know about long gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what you can do in other states is subject to agreements between attourneys general of the relevant states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't say there are no federal laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'try to at least pretend to be reasonably-intelligent in the discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '[15 Jan 07:33:40] (Debate) Abelinc: 'there is currently no such thing as gun laws in the US''
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'okay abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, and in the context of the discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a gun license would make that easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing actual GUN LAWS...not A LAW ABOUT GUNS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'GUN LAWS as a body do not exist at a federal level...the federal government doesn't determine whether or not an owning license is required, a carry license is required, registration is required...currently'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there are gun laws affecting how to get a silencer, closing off civilian purchase of automatic weapons manufactured after 1988, prohibitng possession of a shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18". All GUN LAWS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is exactly what started this conversation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I can get automatic weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if you have a class 3 license, or a tax stamp approved by your local head LEO and then buy one manufactured before 1988, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think federal government has jurisdiction to legislate over gun ownership, though they can play colour of law and use commerce clauses to get around some of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so please, try to at least pretend that you know what the hell the discussion is about before taking statements entirely out of context and declaring something true or false'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You got a huge stick up your ass about a small comment. Relax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when someone asks if "the current state of gun owning/registration laws in the US" is acceptable to me, the answer is "There are no federal gun laws"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and, btw, the very fact that dealers must have a license is a federal law. So you are still wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no country-wide status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, not wrong in the least'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I didn't specifiy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you go through a federal background check when buying a firearm. You get searched by the ATF'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the discussion is regarding gun laws in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess legally there cannot be federal gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'kids, play nice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as it pertained to a proposed bill at the federal level'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else is done via obfiscation and skewing colour of law stuff in other areasd'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks for the links which have ZERO to do with the discussion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'federal gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which have ZERO to do with the discussion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'right, sorry. Nothing to do with whether federal gun laws exist in the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter how many times you repeat them, they're not what we've been discussing for the past 45 mins'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing no one has a gun on aard, or this argument might escalate :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you have said there are no federal gun laws for 45 minutes. I'm saying you are wrong. You have said there are no licensing requirements. I have said you are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I have offered proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously though no need to get upset here, just a chat on a 90's text based game'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I have not stated that, tipro. and you're incorrect to say that I'm wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have offered proof of nothing which I've talked about'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of zero consequence too lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should explain it to them again, Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ah, aren't both of you against tighter gun laws? why argue with your ally about semantics?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Andurien about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm in favor of universal background checks and stronger reporting from universities and mental health institutions into NICS. That's about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because I can't stand idiocy regardless of which side of the aisle he stands on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you still don't explain what "absence" you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no good doing that then not acting on it, tipro. like what happened in Newton'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'schmuck reads one sentence and jumps the fuck on it like a pitt bull without ANY context whatsoever'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i refer people to the gun license plan i put forward some hours ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone would be happy with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'like gun registration?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder how many of those "if more people were armed you could stop shooters" guys ever had any combat sensitisation training...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tipro, the discussion has been regarding end-user laws...whether or not the owner should need to be licensed, whether or not the firearms themselves should need to be registered, conceal carry laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and those run from "you don't need shit to own, buy or carry" to "we will interview your first girlfriend and your third cousin twice removed before we even think about letting you buy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns should require mandatory insurance, that would solve everything quickly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory insurance is just a corporate scam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see car insurance in the UK, and Obamacare for examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obamacare hasn't even gone into effect, was a repub plan to start with, but it is a scam okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I've lived in states on both ends of that spectrum. So there is no US-wide status quo, NOR ANY FEDERAL LAWS mandating (or releasing from mandate) any of those'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it exists to push up the profit of corporate health sector'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why people's health insurance bills are going up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because no one would go for single payer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and none of your links have made any claims to the contrary of that, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not justification, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yes it varies from state to state, but that might be a better system than mandated federal requirements. No, you're right ABelinc as far as I know there are no federal laws touching on concealed carry and licensing for users'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so again, learn what the fuck is being discussed before a kneejerk reaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I was involved in the conversation and scrolled back, you may have said that 45 minutes ago but it didn't appear. Maybe not be such an ass when someone responds to a statement w/o qualifications like "there are no federal gun laws" Try not to be a dick'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't say I've ever seen Abe so angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's not go down the line of name calling, you're not Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It doesn't hurt you to just ignore it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not 45 mins ago...it's what the entire conversation has been about the entire time I've been here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably time to move it on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'back to the original question Abe that started this whole diatribe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is the status quo, not specifically on a federal level, but on a state by state level okay with you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going to ask me about status quo, you'll need to specify which status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as I said, Vermont...New York State...no comparison between the two'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you find all the laws currently on the books in each state acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vermont is a really safe state, right? with concealed carry and alsorts iirc?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need permit for anything in vermont...own, open or conceal carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the federal level does have NICS (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics) which provides an avenue for all background checks on all gun sales through federally licensed dealers. The system could be stronger by requiring reporting from universities and mental health insitutions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^so do you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The state with the most tree coverage in the US is New Hampshire, at 89%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the gun homicide rates in vermont is what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and all dealers must be federall licensed. This doesn't apply to private sales, but if you go to a gun shop in the US and buy a gun you will be run through NICS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correlation is not causation TN, regardless of what the rate is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i shouldn't ask about statistics, but i'm betting gun violence, and just violent crime in general there is very low'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and vermont even has a law on the books saying no municipality can have stricter laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's convenient that you'd say that Twyst, because you use similar bad correlations in your anti-gun arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Abe is it okay that I can buy a gun from Joe bob, no questions asked if he is okay with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vermont is an affluent, relatively free state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vermont has low violent crime despite lax gun restrictions, Chicago has extremely high violent crime despite tight gun restrictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad you've come to understand that gun laws or lack of them aren't the driver of violent crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chicago is not an island, and gun restrictions aren't the only variable'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vermont just has smarter people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and new york city where nobody is allowed a handgun other than cops and "professionals"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so water now magically protects against violent crim?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'violent crime will happen anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why make it easy for anybody with an index finger to kill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'new york city *IS* an island }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'metaphorically abe, not literally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vermont also has a larger white % than most states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the gun doesn't really make it easier to make crime happen - it makes it easier to protect yourself from crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah New York is an island but nothing besides the law is stopping me from importing a personal weapon'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not pass laws that do not require to be passed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'as you said, it's going to happen. The gun just lets some people have a better chance of protecting themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same is true of everywhere on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns are used for attacking, how can they protect you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing but laws preventing gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'stop a threat'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not a threat until after the fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if guns are only for attacking, why arm policeman?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless you are G zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'when you fire in self-defense it's not to kill, but to stop the attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like that lady who shot the dude 5 times and told him to lay still lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's why you use hollow points - not to tear out more flesh, but because expansion of the bullet delivers more force and physically stops an oncoming attacker'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you guys should think about the deficit and bankruptcy :-) the gun debate is kinda closed. If they try to pull anything it'll either not work, or you're going to have a lot of dead people on their hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the spirit'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'deficit debate is closed too in that respect. Either it'll work or it wont'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'whatever they do or don't do'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best insulate yourself then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the economy continues to grow, we can take care of the debt and deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you do that when debt is rising faster than growth, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'grow the economy even faster. Build the deathstar'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'currently it is, but that is only because we are doing deficit spending right now to speed up the recovery.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'structural deficit is lower than that needed to reduce debt as a percentage of gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'Deficit spending didn't work back during the great depressing, sure as hell isn't working now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, the jobs will come back, more people will pay taxes, less people will be on food stamps, etc, and the deficit will drop'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'depression*'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the fake growth argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt growth will slow down, and the economy will keep humming along.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'worked during WW2 and the great depression'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't if you keep increasing debt spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Rizgoth wants the poor people to pay the taxes that pay off the debt, not the rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deficit spending is the only way to get out of recessions and depressions, otherwise you end up like Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're pretty much like Japan already'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think donating to a MUD should be a tax-writeoff'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are we in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get meaningful growth you need to build and export'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Japan has a debt % of 180% over their economy.....the US is at 82% and dropping again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the capacity to do that with oil'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny thing is, japan is about to launch massive stimulus under a new pro-military nationalist govt...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is >100% no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that ol' 30s feeling...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, our economy has continued to grow, and it is currently at 82%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the new government that had power in the late 90's and got them where they are today! A stagnant economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope your interest rates stay low then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I wonder what the interest rates would be if the EU economy was better'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"build and export" -- that theory breaks down in a unified-nation world - nowhere to export'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, back then they had the old stagnant austerian doctrine... funny thing is, now that they've changed their minds, their debt problem will actually ease through more spending (and debt)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'devil is in the detail, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the great ironies of depression economics - more spending improves your debt situations, less makes it worse...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not spending on sensible things that we need, like housing or infrastructure, they're spending on giving banks vast amounts of money to give to their lobbyist intersts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "build and be self-sufficient and do not export" model does not seem popular among some academics'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, how can collectivists collectivise if everyone is self sufficient?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama is following the same gameplan that clinton used when he was president, and then bush ruined when he became president.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what you spend on matters to the economy in the long run, but doesn't change its impact on unemployment...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we still on gun control ? soz just did my first drag :D was good '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, there's a good reason why the "build and be self-sufficient and do not export" model, as you put it, isn't popular... because it failed miserably in comparison. See Latin America.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know why they tagged "and don't export" on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with "be self sufficient AND export"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Latin America was sabotaged by .. the USA ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like the US will be doing soon...exporting oil and natgas to our buddies in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, why export if you are completely self-sufficent? You want to give stuff to other people and not import stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why export? to gain wealth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allows you to bring in the things you cannot get yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Argentinia since the 80's - interesting S America economy - worth a look imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you must have a balance of exports and imports to gain wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to build up a stockpile of shiny stuff that you don't need? Worked so well for China in the past...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do, Riz, which is why the US and UK's economies are both shot - both import led for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't run an economy of a sizeable diverse nation off a service or financial sector alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but gov't spending is arguably required for the new economy - technology exports'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ours is only because we were importing so much oil.....pretty soon we will be exporting a lot of oil....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people export because they aren't completely self-sufficient. There's no reason for a country to export, except to get stuff it wants but doesn't have. (or more cheaply)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you import just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it is capitalist competition which is killing those economies like Cancer TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the economy we want for the future is not just furniture factories'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or grain mills. We want to create and export technology'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'problem is how do you get that. Subsidize it while the tech is new and expensive? How does the gov't know what will work and be profitable anyways?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, so it shouldn't try, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'do you make higher education free for science, tech, math, engineering degrees? I don't know'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would make sense Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have a hands off approach to allow inovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than taxing the shit out of everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hands off lead to monopolization which is the antithesis of innovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aug 1, 2012 US Import Export Statistics, Data. Annual value of US exports, $1.84 trillion. Annual value of US imports, $2.52 trillion.  The diference is mostly oil that we currently import, the other stuff is a much smaller % of the total.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'China is heavily subsidizing green energy and is monopolizing the rare earth metals needed for tech development. Should we do the same?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monopolisation happens some time after innovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'by monopolization I mean they are buying the rights to mineral deposits in countries around the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'mostly in Africa and the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the country's fault for allowing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get innovation - windows for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they dominate the market'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, nothing wrong with it, so long as it's peaceful. But should we do the same?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'should we spend public dollars to make sure our market has access to those materials?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then there is no incentive to innovate, because they have no competition'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, tipro, you should'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they peddle the same crap over and over'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the limiting factor for science and tech is the small base of capable people, not the rewards involved. Taxation to expand this base makes much more sense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but then you must tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'monopolization didn't get intel to innovate, AMD did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question isn't should we be taxed, it's what should be taxed and for what purpose'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah very true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone would be an inventor for profits of 100m, but not 50m, and would rather hide in his basement or something, I'd very much doubt his sanity...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US spends about $45 billion every month to import oil from foreign countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'private dollars right rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... or that he'd be an inventor in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so for argument sake: "We are taxing cigarettes to put the money into the additional healthcare requirements it causes" - I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing cigarettes to make them expensive so that people don't smoke" - I would disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US imports right now, about 10 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing petrol and cars to use the money to improve both the road network and public transport" - I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '"we are taxing gun sales to contribute to the cost of health care for the victims of gun violence" - agree?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing petrol and cars to use the money to give poor people so they can breed, have sky tv and new mobile phones every year (read, general taxation pot)" - I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the most efficient way would be to tax stuff based on the benefits/harm of the specific taxation, then spend again based on the benefits/harm of the specific types of spending.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come up with some figures and that argument could be made, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a pretty small tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing something and diverting that into a specific use is inefficient, and is one of the reasons why we're doing better than countries which do stupid, ineficient things...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet if obama said we're going to put a 2.5% sales surcharge on guns and ammo to put it into charity care, nobody would b at an eyelid'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://www.newsmax.com/US/Chicago-gun-tax-healthcare/2012/11/02/id/462631'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, it'd look better politically, but it doesn't change the fact that it's economically inefficient.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'doesn't say the numbers, but the health care costs outnumber the revenue from the tax about 100 to 1'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have a disarmed city with a huge crime problem, tipro, it's a chicken and egg situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of our $700 billion trade deficit each year is oil and gas imports.....just wait til our imports drop by 50% in the next 10 years, and that deficit drops by $250 billion each year.....that is $250 billion added to our economic development each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's because its a symbolic gesture (ruse)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and you are also taxing innocent people in that scenario who aren't causing the violence. With gas, everyone pollutes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i pointed out the two cigarette arguments. In the UK the anti-smoking lobby keeps pushing the cost to society angle despite the fact that the cigarette tax shows a net profit of some 50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, tobacco smuggling has increased by over 400% since the higher taxes went in. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing happened here, now they have to spend a lot of resources combatting it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government creates a problem, then has to tax more to solve the mess they made'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NYC estimated that it is losing about $300 million a year from illegal tobacco sales in 2012, up from about $10 million in 2005.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as you still impose tariffs, there's not really an increase in resources needed to combat smuggling.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Bloomberg is a crook'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's no better than the mafia bosses of old'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet it'll come out that he's got a hand in the smuggling'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he doesnt need to, he makes a mint from his bloomberg networks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally people who make a lot of money from legal activities won't be involved in illegal activities... at least not for the money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression Chicago and NYC would be far better places if you could do away with Rahm Emanuel and Mr Bloomberg'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not necassirily true Sonshi, see Bernie Madoff'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a single license of the bloomberg machine for stock information is $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for instance, our corruption scandals at the highest levels often involve sex.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and stock brokers have thousands of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bernie wasn't making money legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bernie was filthy rich, but needed even more'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have made a million a year easily legally, but wanted 100's of millions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes to high level banking elite, they make the rules, and they make them so that they don't apply to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, he only kept doing it because otherwise he would have been caught sooner. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kenneth Lay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, he certainly wasn't making anywhere near that legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why so few people every get prosecuted for all these banking scandals and ripoffs'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He said he had to keep running the scam or go to jail much sooner.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so he did it for 40 years, it is just amazing that he was able to do it for so long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, a lot of these scams happen because they're bleeding cash and can't make any money legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't make any'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'do you think if we voted in all independents (non Republican/Democrats), it would lead to the banking elite being held accountable?  Or would they just buy their new puppets?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Who's justifying it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point is that if you're making zillions legally, you wouldn't be running a little scam on the side. Unless you're an idiot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather you implied that it was give n as justification'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Michael Vick?, Martha Stewart?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'martha stewart isn't even on the same page as these guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but she belies the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars, more is always the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if martha stewart was locked up for what she did, then zuckerman and the facebook crew would be in jail for life right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so by saying "rich people don't steal bread from shops unless they're crazy", am I justifying theft?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interesting levels of comprehension I'm seeing. Par for the course...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this analogy rich people WERE stealing bread from the breadshop, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banking elite'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you imaginary bloomberg smuggling scam?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, your'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bernie madoff, john corzine, the libor scandal, the hsbc drugs and iran weaponary money laundering'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There should be a $2 tax on all stock transactions....it would raise hundreds of billions each year in new tax revenue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clinton-glass-stegall mortgage fiasco, the UK payment insurance racket'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long a list do you want?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, a lot of scams were run by people who couldn't make it legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baloney'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was greed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why did '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney pay 14% taxes, was he really hurting for that other 21%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'He was able to do that after taking a tax deduction of over 2 million because of his charity donations of 4+ million'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if an avoidance method is legal, expect every rich guy to take advantage of it. You've to close the loopholes, not rely on their goodwill...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think i've heard it all now though: "Those poor banking elite, they couldn't make any money legally, so they had to steal and rip off 100s of billions of dollars and screw the entire western system of economics up"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look into his charity deductions Flach'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich elite write the rules for that very reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, charitable donations are supposed to be limited to no more than 5% of income.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of their "theft" was legal though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, charitable deductions that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'blame your lobbyists///'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Wrong.  You can donate as much as you want to charity.  The rules come in on deductions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame the people for voting in these crooks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if there's some confusion about the very distinct concepts of what is "right" and what is "legal"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not really a donation Flach'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'what isnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look up the term charitable remainder unitrust'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: '2.6m of the 4m he gave away in 2011 was to the church'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont like the guy at all, but what he did isnt illegal in the least bit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are holding it, but he gets capital gains off of it tax free'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romneys CRUT, which is only a small part of the $250 million that Romneys campaign cites as his net worth, has been paying him 8 percent of its assets each year. As the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one problem with deductions for charity is that people can channel them to dubious charities that serve little societal purpose... I wonder why countries feel the need to subisidise the "charity" of their wealthier members...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Sure, that accounts for some of it.  Thats fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably shouldn't, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont like what he's doing, but its not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd certainly like for charitable deductions to be abolished, or at least substantially cut... Can't say that too loudly though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all deductions should be abolished, along with all tax-free allowances'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lady in NYC who makes $50 million or so a year tax free from her investment in local muni bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It would be nice to see a hard cap on them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love muni bonds....more people should invest in their communities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you abolish all caps and allowances and some people are suffering, then your system of taxation and rates should be looked at'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to have something simlar, Riz - they government abolished them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now all municipal borrowing has to go through government Private Finance Initiatives, which ends up costing the tax payer 10-100x as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tax free bonds simply mean that it's more expensive for lower income people to hold them compared to higher income people...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the yield will drop accordingly due to the tax free status'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which means that lower income people, paying a lower marginal tax, would see a lower yield'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the project.....most of my tax free bonds pay around 4% right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd yield more if they were not tax free...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just standard econs... yields will stabilise at the market rate for such bonds'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the income would then be taxed at a much higher rate, in my case'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, so the effective yield becomes higher for those facing a higher marginal tax rate, compared to those with a lower rate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would need a 6% taxable bond from a corporation to equal my govt tax free bond for an income producing community project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... whereas someone with a lower marginal rate would see a better yield for that 6% taxable bond'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lot more risk with taxable bonds though, cause most of them are corporate bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most govt bonds are tax free, but there are some taxable bonds depending on the project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so effectively, tax-free status makes it "cheaper" (more profitable) relative to those with a lower marginal tax rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get maybe 3% here in the UK. Shame real inflation is nearer 8%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"real" inflation? Is this like the unskewedpolls method of calculating inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on how it's measured'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some revocable tax free bond projects here in Texas are paying around 5.5%, depending on the city.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government tweaks the inflation measure from time to time to minimise it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason the government rates are currently low is that interest rates are low, so the figures are skewed by current mortgate rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are now able to 3d-print parts of guns, including high capacity magazine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow it's been quiet, i guess y'all must have talked yourself hoarse this morning'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, US coal producers are ramping up production to sell coal to Europe and Asian markets since the US demand for coal is down 15% in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we're stupid enough to buy it, despite having plenty of coal deposits and unemployed populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska is already a large supplier to coal to asian markets, the 2 coal mines in the interior are connected via rail to a coal port in Valdez, next to the oil terminal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY state senate passes draconian gun control bills in the dead of night with members complaining they were being asked to vote on a bill they hadn't even had time to read'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical democrat policy these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germans to repatriate gold bullion from New York Fed to Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a move that they earlier characterized such a move as "irrational fear"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of Mars Attack: "Don't run! We're your friends!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is back on the rise again this week after a month of settling down'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather see silver hit $100 an oz.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal welfare spending to go up 80% over next 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get some of those welfare people working on the oil and gas rigs!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the democrats, you can't have people work for a living!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Or, you know, on sustainable sources of power...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is sustainable......*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I mean by definition, neither of those resources are permanently sustainable.  Maybe your lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fitch may downgrade US credit rating'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas created 2500 new sustainable jobs last year just to maintain the wind turbines that were installed last year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Creating a sustainable job is not the same thing as harvesting a sustainable resource.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised the don't deliberately downgrade it in order to raise returns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind is not sustainable resource ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tell that to the blowhards in washington dc!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm sorry, I read your previous comment incorrectly.  Sorry, the red on black is hard for my eyes.  /swuint'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: '/squint'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh Obamaphone lady: "Darn sure won't vote for Obama again!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I agree...we need to stop spending money on that nasty dirty non sustainable wind power, and keep producing more sustainable oil and gas! :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I think we should completely disassemble our military, and use that money instead on space, tech, and sustainable energy research.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Which would explicitly exclude anything to do with fossil fuels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And then who would blow up innocent, brown people in other countries?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Well, I mean, you could do that if you wanted.  Just bring your assault rifles and go on vacation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if you think never-ending growth is possible, suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xdvn52As'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fantastic headline: "Horsemeat found in beef burgers"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama's fault, amirite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir enthusiastically high-fives Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if he minced his wife up and stuck in the burgers'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how the Supremacy Clause can be considered valid in all cases when the 10th Ammendment superceded it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the logical interpretation should be that if the feds made a law, the states could not make a law contrary to it, but also vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that doesn't appear to be how it has always been interpreted by the courts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically nb4 rules?  Regardless of whether it's a state or federal law, whomever does it first rules supreme?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be my resolution of it, but that's not what the judges say'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though nowhere in the constitution does it say the president has law making powers'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can sign treaties, but they have to be ratified by 2/3 majority of the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it came up because a coupel of states are submitting state laws that will make it an offence for a federal officer to enforce any gun-laws or rules that are not specifically agreed on by the state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it then boils down to how corrupt the judiciary are in the supreme court that would judge on thuis'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the President has the power to nullify a law (essentially to not enforce it).  The logical flipside of that would be that he can interpret an existing law to allow for unintended and/or original application (essentially "making" laws).'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree, that's not a logical flipside at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an illogical leap'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nullifying a law is ignoring it, veto if ou will'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've already used this process to catch entire television shows of criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to render or declare legally void or inoperative: to nullify a contract. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how that can be construed as "interpret in any way i like"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it looks like that, if a person of position argued that, Hans, they were making it up as they went a long and talking out of the ar$e'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which reminds me of a police officer punching a woman in the face, then charging her with assault for damaging his knuckles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas executes more death row prisoners than all the other states combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, we know. The Bush set a record there when he was the gov.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should abolish the death penalty, it is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not if you are from Texas :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and soon it will be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you there go against tradition? wtf'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no trees in Texas, so they don't hang blacks, they chain them to the back of pickup trucks and drag them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted 2500 trees on my land last year......'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that will be a comfort to the blacks :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course I planted them for firewood in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future being 2-5 years after they were planted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars grow really fast.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas, schools mostly get the same amount of money, BUT, local citizens of the school district can donate money to the schools for additional stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to add corn bread mix to my pancake mix....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps a little wheat germ and flaxseed powder also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I put wheat germ and ground flaxseed in my oatmeal :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The West Wing is a damn good show for a liberal propaganda program.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt anyone in RL ever talks that quickly while still being coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'TNA is just as planned.  Even ECW was planned, which just infuriates the hell out of diehard fans (they somehow thing ECW was more real.)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good ol' Senator Stockwell'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least one of the Senate isn't a pussy...., shame Rand Paul is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope they nail that son of a bitch with impeachment'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supremacy clause vs ammendment 10 of the constitution wrt federal gun control laws. Which wins?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Aaron Swartz [Reddit/RSS inventor] was 'killed by the government,' father tells mourners'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Parents furious after young boys suspended after playing with imaginary weapon'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Massivehugetits school principal suspected for appearing in a spoof of "The Terminator" movies'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"suspected"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought aaron swartz killed himself because of obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just murdered by the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is Reddit/RSS'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shuddup Zade - soz topic - just sving time'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'graveyards are littered with the bodies of political dissidents assassinated by intelligence services'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but are you sure it wasn't obama personally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would he when he has an institutional mafia to do it for him?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so he just gave the order?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he did, it wouldn't be redacted for 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does personally order the assassination of americans on a kill list'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "suspected" Principal was exercising his first amendment rights when spoofing the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens on a weekly basis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is acing like a Turkish Sultan in ordering executions on whim without "due process" -- which is very Arabic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd liken it more to East Germany, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'acTing'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has the CIA to do his dirty work, just like the Stasi, or the KGB'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Impeach him! Let's take that sucker down!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is acting as though a closet Arab Sultan in ancient Persia or a closet East German Communist (?)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's acting more like a monarch/dictator than a president'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Impeach him on what exactly? Well, you've got quite a long list to go at, though the key 2 are offensive military actions without congressional approval, and trying to unconstitutionally impose gun laws through executive dictate'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'be serious TN please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was impeached for far less'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what was hinted by "similar to Turkish Sultan in ancient Persia" -- somebody said the White House expenses were high  '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Nixon was impeached for breaking the law and trying to circumvent Democracy, how is that much less'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we had this argument yesterday, Twyst, and you largely agreed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I never agreed that impeachable offenses were being performed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i agreed that the rules were being bent, but qualified by saying it happens all the time and has happened long before Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the due process is not being followed, then it is being subverted'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first though, impeach G W Bush for war crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GW has to take his fair share of responsibility, but he isn't in power right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'conveniently'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so wait till 2017'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly why is it so hard to follow procedure? Why could he not have gone to Congress to approve military action in Libya'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he wants to restrict guns, table an ammendment to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then congress might think they are relevant or something!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should anyone in America follow the laws when the president won't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'instead of a curious freak show..'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he hasn't written any laws or made any to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all of these things are innuendo from the right and the lunatic fringe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts is living in his own personal reality distortion field'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop gaslamping, Dagnir, if you want to take exception to something I have said, then point it out and point out why'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we can't impeach him for illegally banning guns when it hasn't happened yet, all I'm saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've tried. no use'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gaslighting, even'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you haven't, you're worse than Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has nothing to say :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know how to reply to the accusation of being "worse than yuna"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN for all I know you may be a principled person and believe everything that you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you must admit the bar has been raised to dizzying heights for Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he does believe everything he says. that's the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe that the president should not be taking military action without the blessing of congress. If our prime minister took military action without the say so of parliament, there'd be a huge outcry'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how it works is that you come out with some insane claims and conspiracy theories without backing them up and i just call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's military action in Libya is conspiracy theory, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you never present any proof, you just rant how obama is the second coming of hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly who is living in an unreality bubble?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, what about libya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so you know of it's existence, i'm glad THAT isn't a conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama ordered military intervention without consulting or getting the blessing of Congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, sure, he failed to put troops there for the next decade. what else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the first time in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it proves my point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it does not'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no previous president has been impeached for this, so why is it a big deal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is obviously the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, it's not the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, but what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would be hypocritical to throw the book at Obama out of principle, when it has never been the hard rule before'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik no-one had a problem with him bombing libya. except for the republicans of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is required to get the go ahead from congress. When Secretary General Panetta was called to congress to account for this,  he claimed that Nato and the UN gave them legal authorisation. he was factually and legally incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you accuse him of being hitler and now you're picking on some shitty technicality?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could be impeached for this, and should be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could be but won't be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'please source your claims'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's something you never do'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a president take unilateral action beyond his station, then that is dictatorial by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'source of which claim?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because he could say president's a-z all did this, and they weren't impeached'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'any'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WHICH'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN it has happened before, do you dispute this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give me an example, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'general lying'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gaddafi was unpopular and incompetent '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUJjXDjFYNo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The War Powers Resolution was disregarded by President Reagan in 1981 by sending military forces to El Salvador and later the Contras in Nicaragua, by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, and source the claim that he was lying please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is popular and incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade what did that add to the discussion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? it's not a claim, it's not within his powers as president'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is made clear within the clip'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is seeking blood'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I gave you examples TN, no one was foaming at the mouths for their impeachment with respect to disregarding the War Powers Resolution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which btw was enacted in 1973'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not exactly founding father material here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in either of those situations, did clinton/reagan ask congress permission?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'definitely not Reagan vis a vis contra because he was colloborating with terrorrists behind the scene'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'while publicly claiming the us does not deal with terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he should have been impeached'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but saint Ronnie is the gold standard if you ask any repub'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its all hypocrasy, I agree with you in principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you have to go by the general standard'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you go by principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in ALL situations'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or none at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'picking and choosing makes you a hypocrite'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's picking and choosing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they go by prior precedents'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly, the repubs who are foaming at the mouth about this are hypocrites'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the faux independents as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prior presidential precedents'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'those are just the ones too ashamed to claim republican leanings'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of el-salvador, they were aiding the government of el-salvador'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the faux Libertarians'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama was aiding the people of Libya'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever met any Libyans? there is a reason Gaddafi was Gaddafi'ed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was aiding a coalition of some Libyans, and armed jihadist groups allied with al-quaeda, the same group having been armed by Nato in Libya are now attacking Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as they are aiding a minority of Syrian allied with jihadist militant groups allied with al-qaueda in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, so he's been following the traditional US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's in the job description - fuck things up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because they've always fucked things up doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist and a liar. you're a hypocrit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it makes it wrong to set an example with Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes people wonder if you have ulterior motives'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should set an example with EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'try saying anything good about obama. any credit at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you like to give him credit -for-, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's evading the question'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has he done that is creditworthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anything. for what ever reason you think it would be justified'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he was asking you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you can't find any, just say so'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm struggling to think of anything, the only thing I can even think of vaguely positive is that he has taken a less confrontational stance towards Iran, but even this is largely window dressing - he has supported sanctions behind the scenes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or is obama the worst president ever? nixon was a saint compared to him etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (the closet Republican) is willing to criticise the Republicans when legal prosecutorial action is no longer possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GW Bush still wins on outright damage done, but Obama won't be long in catching up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to your cave, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the only way Obama could come close to Bush or even exceed, would be to actively destroy the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bush was an unmitigated disaster'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unquestionably so'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his father wasn't exactly great, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I bet 80% of the Independents in the last election actually voted for him though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find 80% of independants didn't vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, i'm not a huge fan of obama, but compared to his opponents? would you rather see mccain or romney as president?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather see neither'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that isn't an option though unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in what universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only not an option because people like you claim it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many votes did Obama and Romney get combined?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who could have taken those votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'instead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the inertia of such beliefs it has to get pretty bad before people are desperate enough to change their mindset, but it does happen.... eventually'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall without looking it up, twyst, turnout was what, 55%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama got the most votes a presidential candidate has ever gotten in the history of the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not inertia, it is insurmountable'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'more than nixon '72?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could that just be because the population is rising?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes the population is rising'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then it's a pretty fuckwitted thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not if you think it through'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? he got, what, 53% of the popular vote? 57%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for someone else to win they would have to convince a plurality of the US voting public that voting for a third party candidate isn't a waste of their vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '51.06%'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even remotely high, not even in the top 10'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm talking absolute numbers not percentages'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the absolute numbers aren't relevent by themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why would the absolute number matter more than the percentage?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the absolute number will rise by necessity as the population rises.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're missing the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my contention is that a third party could have been viable in the early goings when population was smaller especially voting population'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but now it is nearly impossible'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to put it into perspective, that's barely 0.4% more than GW Bush in 2004'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you do realize of course that he could have gotten more'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but realized it was smarter to focus on electoral votes than popular vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way the USA was set up originally was such that it didn't matter the size of the population, it was local state elections where the major power base was'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure he could have convinced a couple million more people in CA or NY to vote for him but why bother?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a third party could still be viable if most of the states split their electoral votes instead of winner-take-all. *grumble*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that too Majic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but US doesn't do coalition government'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they set up the system deliberately to prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so no third parties unless they can be established overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what? they game the system for their own benefit. what a fucking surprise'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so me pointing out the rules should be accepted as how it is right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and not how you want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why are you giving me grief about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in terms of a third party '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should accept that the system is corrupt and broken because it's corrupt and broken, well there's a pragmatic argument if ever i've heard one'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's shit, live with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what you're saying, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm saying you have to see it for what it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you may not like Obama and many don't, but for most he was better than the alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you not think i don't see it for what it is? When you point it out, you get people like Dagnir accusing you of being a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is exactly as bad as the mainstream alternatives that you are restricting us to'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and so would 50.6% was it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '51.6'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a winning margin of 3.85%'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or over 100 electoral votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they only got 2 more corners than the other team, but won by 5 goals'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'close match wouldn't you say?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a dreadful analogy. Team A can have been the stronger team all the way through and played the best football, had the most chances, and still lose'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'replace corners with shots on goal and its a perfect analogy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well of COURSE the A Team was stronger!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Norwich beat Manchester United 1-0 when they last visited. You trying to tell me Norwich are the stronger team?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1-0 is a close match'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Norwich won overwhelminly than yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a good analogy at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least on that particular day'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, where was all the advertising and campaigning done?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you were an Obama supporter living in California, would you really take time out of your day to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the State is already a lock?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've already pointed out that the system is gamed, Twyst, it works both way'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was living in Louisiana at the time of the election'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would I vote for Obama when there is next to zero chance of him carrying the state'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just some examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is one reason turnout in the US is so bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you trying to preach to the choir? We all know the system is screwed, from the electoral college to the money'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have the same problem in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ask any repub, if everyone in the US voted, they would never hold office again'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is why they tried to suppress turnout'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are electoral colleges loosely based around population?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'very much arguable -- they'd still carry the largely rural states'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then your argument is fundamentally flawed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the largely rural states have smaller populations '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but while they're based on population, lighter-population has greater electoral percentage comparatively'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because there's minimums'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the remarks on the pointlessness of voting for obama in republican states carries equally well for republicans in blue states. For example, voting for anyone but Obama in Illinois last election :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no justification really for the existance of electoral colleges in presidential campaigns'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm just using that for illustration purposes, of course the reverse is true as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so getting a bunch of small states actually yields more benefit than getting the californias, in terms of absolute votes needed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'founding fathers, the geniuses of yore put it there'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also laid out specifically the limitations of each branch of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has never executed someone on the sabbath....'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is being totally screwed for the last 40 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just more rapidly now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If there are only two candidates, their winning chances aren't relevant when deciding who to vote for :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come again Tinada?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe relevant for whether you can be bothered to vote at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton won his elections with larger margins than Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If there are only two candidates, there is no room for tactical voting, I'll vote for the best (least bad) candidate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if there are 17 candidates I might vote for the 3rd best to avoid the 12th best winning'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes a long way to explain why you end up with such crap in charge, Tinada, you should vote for who you believe in'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote with your principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I do that. We, however, have a proportional system, so it doesn't make sense to vote for 2nd best anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voter turnout btw was higher in the last 3 elections than most of the previous 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda suggests the voter depression thing is bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Obama had the best turnout machine in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did GW Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Karl Rove wasn't too shabby himself'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really good at turning out evangelecals and the like'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're suggesting Obama had the best turnout machine in history, and the turnout was the same as in other elections when the winners were republicans, then it suggests that real Obama support is lower than democrat historically, again puts into doubt your argument that there are more democrats than republicans overall'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'us voter turnouts are complicated by the ridiculous registration layer'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to dynamically score for context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also voter registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Tinada, the "let's get illegals voting" registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'do you measure % of registered voters, total eligible voters, or total votes cast? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my voter registration was denied in LA, although my buddies was accepted no questions asked'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps both sides maintain the corrupt quo by having these crazy voting regulations and electronic voting machines'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure they went by my name and thought, can't be american'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My point was that if you are a citizen (and haven't done any suitably ghastly crimes), you shouldn't have to register in order to vote.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all very well, tinada, but how do you know then if someone is eligible to vote or not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how do you check if they are a citizen and haven't done these crimes without registration?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you are on an electoral role, and your name gets crossed out when you turn up to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same in many places here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'votes are counted locally and in front of tv audiences with people from all sides involved in the counting'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You have a database that keeps track of your citizens and where their residence is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's very difficult to fudge the results - only happens where postal voting is allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which ironically is good for voting, but bad for guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, not a lot of crimes should be relevant for whether you get to vote, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'catalytic converter, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm against the UK establishment here, i think prisoners should get the vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'switch the polarity and cut the red wire first!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'er..reverse the polarity!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta go back to work now. I'm glad we've established that anyone who takes a principled stance is a kook and a conspiracy theorist and a liar, whereby proper people allow corruption and bad things to happen and accept it because they've always happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mischaracterizing my position and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a lessez-faire attitude'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you take a principled stance, you can't start willy nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a cop out to say yeah that guy was bad, but he is no longer in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure you can't impeach someone who isn't in office, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find i said GW Bush should be held to account, that's not willy nilly, that's just understanding what the process is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just shout LIAR, it would be better'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'GW, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't do personal attacks in debates, it weakens your point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, complain about Obama in 2017'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather complain as we go along'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll complain about my own government if you like (which if you hadn't gathered, is centre-right) but it'd be meaningless to you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I'll be sure to remind you in 2017 when the next one comes along and does the exact same things'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, which brings you neatly back to the point i mentioned before'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never vote for the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dif Tigernuts complain about G W Bush between 2000 and 2008, or remain silent, or even praise G W Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zade, i did complain'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as i complained about Tony Blair 1995-2007'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vote for the greater evil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. we can find out. let me grep abe's logs'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he sure did. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Looks like no one in Norway has lost the right to vote due to a crime since shortly after ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. abe's logs start from 2009'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the danger with grep is that you don't get context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Seltsimees Dagnir into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'grep -c for context I think'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers with Swalec about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was me thinking grep was a damtype'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and the debate doesn't start until november 2010, I didn't have the chan turned on'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wave.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): What is Seltsimees Dagnir yelling about, you were just trying to be friendly :/
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or, perhaps, there was no debate before that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not a lot of debate even now, Swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'shall we have a pointless, never ending argument about that proposition'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts on debate is a new thing tho. he used to troll on tech'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well like I said TN, you might be a principled guy, but a lot of the people bellyaching now, didn't mind before and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, twyst, but you can't knock down a principled stance purely on the basis that it might benefit someone's vested interest'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just banal'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time in the Uk they change a tax or a welfare payment, someone comes up and says "but X loses out", or "Y gains and not X".... it's like.... if nothing changed, the change would be pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its true, but you'll have to excuse me for being cynical'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 10'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only -6 here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-11 last night :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hello debate channel!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So I just read that the states of Texas and Wyoming are trying to push state legislation that would make it illegal in those states for any federal agency to enforce any federal gun bans or regulations that are not thse state laws. The bills would allow state authorities to arrest federal agents attempting any sort of federal gun grab activity. Punishable by up to a $50,000 fine and up to five years in prison. I hope my state follows this trend as well. States rights FTW.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supremacy clause vs 10th ammendment, will make an interesting legal tussle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Well if Texas felt like starting a war of succession, arresting federal agents might be one way to go about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Sorry, seccession.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't need to be a war, being able to leave was a pre-condition for them signing up to the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if US were to start aggression, the UN would be honour bound to intervene on Texas' behalf'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT would be a spectacle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm pretty sure the idea of the Fed being the lord of state authority as sort of social propaganda. If local police are investigating a murder for example and the FBI wants to take over. The police have every right to tell the FBI to fuck off. This is not usually what happens however. Police are conditioned to worship federal agencies like they are the gods of law enforcement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So anyways, Obama is supposed to lay down his gun regulation ideas this morning. What are all of your thoughts and expectations from this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you would always expect from Obama, overstepping his authority to impose authoritarian measure that try and fail to address a problem that doesn't exist, but does further restrict people's freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he will probably ban all guns including water pistols, as the first step to instituting a life long dictatorship in the US :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Bingo! First point goes to Tigernuts. Twyst you are wrong on the waterpistol point as Obama is big on alternative energy sources such as hydro power. You'd have a better argument against marshmallow guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a poll of American Meteorologists, only 19% thought global warming was man made'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the solution is to make climate denial a hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Al Gore's media engine has already suggested that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm not kidding, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I seen that Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like the anti-gun lobby saying anyone who doesn't agree with strict gun controls is a KKK member'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I love how they are blaming the recent natural disasters on "climate change" and if we pay carbon taxes to Al Gore we'll get less hurricanes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We already have less hurricanes.....there hasnt been a cat5 since 2005.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The globalist agenda doesnt care about facts like that Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone with half a brain knows that most hurricanes begin off the western coast of Africa from high sand concentration in the air caused by sandstorms....you have less sandstorms in western africa, you get less powerful hurricanes in the atlantic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George Soros, the Moriarty of modern politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the hot water of the caribbean just fuels the storm that is created from African sandstorms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Actually Riz I think you have it backwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Sandstorms might, and I emphasize might depress hurricanes not cause them'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you might say....*puts on sunglasses* he got his facts...."twysted" Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'here are some kids, look how ethnically diverse they are!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am going to give my play by play of Obama's speech as it happens. If you have a problem with realness, I am warning you that I am full of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has he really surrounded himself with kids?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Happy and safe everyone, that's what he wants. Obamacare(tm)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how sick is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'kids make excellent human shields'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'if your a good sniper, no it dont'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'really I understand news pundits pimping out the victims, but the goverment doing it and the constant use of the word "saftey" is a really bad sign. Let's count how many times he uses the word safey over freedom folks...it'll be very telling of the agenda here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has mastered propaganda, spin, and media manipulation, it would seem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'if you look at history. every major dictator enforced gun control. Hitler, Stalin, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know, Bas, aside from Dagnir and Twyst, you're preaching to the choir'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bollocs. hitler had the most liberal gun laws after wwi'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'well the news media had completely screwed up the "image" of our "leaders" it dont matter what they say, they are all right. so whats the point of watching?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, nice godwin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, until the ummm GENOCIDE started Dagnir...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler loved the jews, Dagnir, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'haha, sry. i just turned the channel on so i jumped in the middle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you were talking about gun control and the hitler argument is a fallacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not a fallicy Dagnir, just not as poweful an argument as it is made out. But it is still a point nonetheless because the Jews were disarmed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i thought hitler took guns from the jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1) it's not true 2) godwin. you lose the agument'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'prove its not true. i am pretty sure i have read that multiple times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir, stop misleading people, when they refer to genocide in Germany they refer to jews. Jews were not allowed firearms because they were not considered citizens, even if born in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and yeah, i've heard it from crazy people on us media'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't have to prove the negative'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if you are going to cry foul, at least get it straight'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'history tells us that the victors write our history for us. no matter how distorted it is......'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also I believe the right and left are in on this all. Now instead of just gun regulations we're gonna get databases of all gun owners and mental health patients. We are gonna get a double whammy here. Mag limits are bullshit mag limits are bullshit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mag limits are irrelevent, you can now 3d-print magazines, so who cares if you can't buy them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i see you're all excellent demagogues here. please continue'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, Dagnir, did we catch you out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol, nuts. that's also not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Then what's the answer to this gun "crisis" in the U.S.?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's not true?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I seen that Tiger, it's quite expensive though but at least is something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, it's not. do you have access to a 3d printer that could do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hunting and Sport? THAT IS NOT WHAT THE D IS ABOUT! Obama you lying awful dumbfuck!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally? no, could i get access to one? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'all i see you doing Dagnir is disagreeing with everything but giving zero argument that backs it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '2nd'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could i buy one? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if yes, then please tell me where and what's the printer model that can 3d print steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i have access to the pattern to print? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not steel, it's plastic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: '3d printers have dropped alot in price the past few years and they will become even cheaper and better as time goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'answer to 3d printer. its called a CNC machine!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high tensile resin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'basdoro, you should back your claims with something. i don't have to prove the negative when i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you guys watching this? This is some hardass lying propaganda train we got going here!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not watching it, can't get access to it, but kinda knew what to expect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'you could use a plastic mag. how long it will last is the question. but if you only need to use it once the material really doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'quick lesson. with a 3D CNC machine you can make almost anything with any kind of material.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, i'll give you a point if you source the "lol hitler took away people's guns" claim'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and "i heard it on fox news" does not count'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'with a cnc machine definately. but they are much more expensive than a 3d printer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir are you agreeing with me about Obama's speech? Because thats what I was talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semantics, Dagnir, "Hitler prevented the Jews from having guns"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'buh? that's completely irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are many things the jews were denied'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'BUT the materials coming from cnc can and will last longer if using better than say composite materials'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's entirely revelent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: '11 November 1938'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.  Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes, 'Seltsimees Dagnir just got PWNED!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.  In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm 1935, now, who was in power in 1935?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after 3 folks'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what? it applied to jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and jews didn't get massacred at all, dagnir, right? the whole holocaust thing was a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i fail to see how that was an argument. unless you think obama is hitler and nra members are the jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, don't lecture me about genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so change the argument now? it was claimed that dictators disarm the people they want to dispose of and Hitler and Jews was given as an example'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'correction. the government is hitler and the people of america are jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and here we go with more victim pimpin from obama, sprinkled all throught the propaganda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, but that argument is irrelevant in the us gun control debate context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian communists and the tzar supports, Mao zedong, Phillipines coupe, Fidel Castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, now it's irrelevent in the US gun control debate? some serious backpedalling going on now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how is that relevant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm surprised you don't just shout "You're all shit!" and walk off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you afraid that the obama administration is planning a genocide any time soon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'how is irrelevent? r u saying the us cant have the same problems these other contries in history have had?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think at this point "victimisation" would be a more pragmatic term than genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'BOOM and TIgernuts was about to score...that is until Dagnir moved his gaolposts'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'no. almost the entire world will nuke us if that happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i am not saying obama is doing the same. i am saying that it opens the door'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Aaaaaaaaand he is signing an excutive order now....great good going you liberal dingus' you have protected no one with this.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is already in the army training documents that "Returning veterans, constitutionalists, and libertarians" are the terrorist threat going forward, not Islamists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? let's have a think'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe because there are some seriously fucking crazy militias popping up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only "fucking crazy militias" that have popped up are federal antagonists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe dagnir that is because we have some seriously fuckin crazy government right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'The cult of personality following Obama is the craziest militia we've seen in ages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a standing joke that there are more FBI plants in the KKK than Klan members'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about st reagan, daain?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Who else was loved and adored as a cult of personality as well? Hmmmmm he had a tiny moustache I know that...cant remember his name...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a standard tactic: Get a mentally ill patsy with a low IQ, arm him up, then get him to blow shit up/shoot people. Blame it on the target group for victimisation'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Chaplin?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you do know that a godwin makes you lose the argument?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Reagan was actually great...his economic and governing principles were very sound.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah thats it Tinada! It's always the silent ones that are the most deadly...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like a description of Bush, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its a bad postion we're in when the only thing between freedom and bullshit is Republicans and congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I agree that the Hitler argument is a bit overused, but merely saying that any reference to it is a Godwin, and an autoloss of an argument is lazy thinking, and precisely the sort of thing that will lead to us failing to learn from the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler is used as an example because it's the most well known, even though the Mae Zedong and the Communist revolution in Russia both killed more people'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i wouldnt be surprised if a mini civil war or partial collapse of the ud government happens in the next 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'us*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'any reference to it IS a godwin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'As did Mussolini, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many did Mussolini wipe out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Daain's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does he even make the high score chart?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Roughly somewhere between a buttload and a fuckton.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'high score chart? that is messed up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'source that claim, please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir, give it up man people have brought proof and called your BS. You can't just move the goalposts. It's up to you to bring a proper rubutal and a source now. You got served up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'mussolini was about 300k'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, amateru'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amateur, even'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Yeah, 300k is nothing, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Mao De-Dong was 78M, wow'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'hitler is #2 with 12M'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '220k by mussolini'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'stalin got around 70-80m'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and mao should have more'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many american indians did the US military eradicate ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the website i am looking at says 6M for Stalin. that seems low to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Anyway, Dagnir, if you're going to claim that any reference to Hitler is a Godwin, which I don't disagree with, but that that constitutes an auto-loss, then you're simply conceding that you're unwilling to accept any counterargument, and it's pointless to include you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How many people did the khmer rouge kill in thailand ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'rules of the internet, daain'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Don't be ridiculous. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously - if you come out with a godwin, then fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2m riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I didn't come out with one. I'm merely pointing out that it's just stupid to try to be all "Ohhh, Godwin's Law, U R teh lose!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said 'gay'! uhhhhhmeeee! i'm tellin'!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1) it's not a valid argument 2) it wasn't about general public and doesn't compare to the current us situation in any way'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'It's an important part of history, and has some extremely critical paralells to today, and if people aren't willing to examine that due to some stupid "rule of the internet," then we should just brace ourselves for a repeat of history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the word "guns", i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1) it's been proven a valid argument, and 2) that's your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the only way you dont repeat the past is to learn from it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have family members who have lived through nazi and soviet occupations. i also have some who didn't survive. gun control wasn't a factor there'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through the occupation, yes, what about before?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the current situation in the us isn't anything like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My parents died in the holocaust as well dagnir:('
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'That's a disingenous argument..."I'm right because my family was there."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we had our own holocaust here. lost about 20% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Fact of the matter is, gun control or not, there's more than one form of government oppression, but all roads lead to Rome.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the argument is that you don't know the fuck you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if gun control doesn't matter, then there is no need to confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'd say you're making it quite clear you have zero clue what YOU'RE blabbering on about, so, we're back to square one. Neither side agrees with the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it does matter. sane gun control matters. at least it works here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'would be very easy for me to get a legal firearm here, but people don't shoot each other all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be almost impossible for me, yet we have the highest violent crime rate in europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What's sad is we all conceded to the first part of Dagnir's godwin claim. And yet he is still acting like a blowhard. Bad form Dagnir. you could have quit when you seemed ahead for a second.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's what i said - sane and enforceable gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'You need to do some reading Dagnir. The past couple hundred years every genocide and issue started with tighter government control on weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you aren't going to get sane and enforceable gun control in the USA because that's not Obama's agenda'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Define "sane and enforceable." That term will have different meanings to different people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not exactly the opponents agenda either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. here you need a permit for a gun, get evaluated and get safety training. also need a safe for the said gun and can't own automatic weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i put forward a plan for gun owner licensing yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was very similar to that, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what the fuck is the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's nutjobs is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'It's not just Obama, it's the entire government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats fine, I am under the understanding that licenseing is not the same as registration correct tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'The US government has gone to shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Guns aren't really the problem at all. It's an old and tired phrase, but "guns don't kill people, etc, etc, etc."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all i hear is rednecks crying that a nigger is going take their guns away'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're obessed with having a system that neither deals with the issue, they're obsessed with confiscating all firearms and making everyone register everything with no judicial oversight, in direct contravention of the second ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Honestly, I HATE guns. I have never wanted one in my life until I started fearing that the government might take away my ability to own one. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir(tm) If you can't beat em. Take it to race pimping!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'snooky, go fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i understand that that wasn't a proper argument, but hey, it's snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have had a country-wide system of gun owner licensing - a gun owner license like a car driving license that had your entitlements on it (single shot, semi auto, conceal carry, vehicle carry, open carry, trader)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I allready am Dagnir, at the sight if you getting slaughtered:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have it updated every year. tehy could have MD's and judges suspend the license'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could mandaet that to get a license you need training and need to have proved to a local official that you have the appropriate secure storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Nothing you have brought forth has been a proper argument but hey, it's Dagnir.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'besides, you have the 2nd fucking amendment. i'm pretty sure they're not going to remove it from the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what good is the 2nd ammendment if they IGNORE it and legislate anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'If Uncle Barry has his way...and no, that isn't hyperbole. He doesn't give half a damn about the constitution if it disagrees with his agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'my biggest concern with gun control is that the people that want to do something malicious with them can get ahold of whatever they need. It reduces the general public s ability to defend themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i dont care if you have to go through 10 layers of red tape to own one'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'That is your biggest concern?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the elephant in the room is that 'assault-style rifles' are responsible for so few gun deaths that it's laughable to make this deal out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preventing mentally ill people on SSRi's from getting guns is where you'll get the biggest impact, and there is already stuff in place for that, it's just not working properly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's something else going on. we have shitload of rifles, but we're not blowing each other away'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, some people are, but it's usually some rednecks getting shitfaced and arguing until someone goes and gets a sawn-off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a sawn-off is not affected by any of the changes being touted'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't get shot or stabbed on a street here. much better chances of winning a lottery'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'where do u live dagnir?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'estonia'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not rednecks either, the vast majority of gun homicides in america are to do with the war on the border, gang warfare due to the drugs situation, and suicides'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's >90% of your guns deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wait...Dagnir that is where Encino man was from!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could make suicide illegal.... that'll help'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Tiger what do you propose is done to stop someone from walking into a school or mall or parade and gunning down groups of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'look at the population comparison Dagnir. Estonia 1.3M, USA 320M'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allowing others to be armed, Dresory'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Ah yes, so lets have a wild wild west'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. iirc there was some place where suicide was illegal. unsuccessful suicide was punished with a death sentence'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'because if someone pulled out a gun in a parade and everyone else pulled out their guns and started shooting, that would be much more productive'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it means 1 or 2 dead not 20'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'you don't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been shown over and over'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dresory has a point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'parade shootouts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'malls, mainly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i just found a scary number. Estonia 2.84 gun deaths per 100k population, US 10.3 gun deaths per 100k population. that isnt good'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your US figure is out of date, Bas'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'So, gun control laws will prevent people from...breaking the law? Wait one sec. I'm having a seriously bad case of cognative dissonance here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2011 is 2.99'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun murders, not gun deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'it was a 2009 figure'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the numbers i found were combining murders and deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Answer me this, what criminal is going to listen to the law? If gun laws go into effect what criminal do you know will heed to those laws? Daain has a very good point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Exactly. If a "bad guy" wants a gun to do "bad stuff"...well, they're going to get a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'that is what i said earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People will get their hands on guns regardless just like illegal drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to do something about gun deaths, do something about the overprescription of SSRi's, do something about mental health, end the war on drugs which should help sort out the border and the gang problem, and deal with inner city poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dealing with the problem by making tighter gun laws is like dealing with car deaths by making it more difficult to buy a car'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'good comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know! let's limit everyone to 10 gallons fill up at a time!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but breathalizer tests help road safety'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People need to wake up in the US and realize what the government is trying to do. Unless the US people stand up to the government and say "No we're not letting you take away our rights" etc then shit like this will continue to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've helped reduce drink driving, they haven't affected road safety'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'less drunk drivers doesn't make the roads safer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People don't understand it's called WE the people for a reason not GOVERMENT the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Lyrikai, I agree with you, but the problem is that the government "promises" to make people's lives easier...and people are lazy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to tell, dagnir, any affect has been swamped by safer cars, better roads, and far higher levels of traffic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Agreed Daain and not enough information is being put out there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hard to tell? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Again, it's a worn out saying, but the government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you can prove is that the number of drink-drive related deaths has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the number of drink-drivers has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't see a correlation there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correlation is not causation. It's a reasonable hypothesis, i'll grant you, but it's not provable'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Crap, I had a frat brother in college who had to get a breathalyzer in his car. It had VERY little impact on his behavior, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or are you arguing that road safety is constant and drunk drivers don't matter?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'That's anecdotal, obviously, but still.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'A revolution will happen, Daain. Just depends on when the people will realize that they can take charge.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i think stricter drinking and driving penalties has vurbed it more that breathalizers'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'curbed*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'And when it happens you can bet i'll be signing up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't take issue with breathalysers, i do take issue with them stopping random people without due cause and forcing them to take a test'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Unfortunately, I fear you're right. I loathe violence and conflict, so I dread it, but I also can't abide by a loss of freedoms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'there are other reasons. here in my city there is a taxi company that will give a 50% discount to drunk passengers. that has helped alot around here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lyrikai nods at Daain.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I just hope it happens before the goverment starts wiping out mass amounts of people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Lyrikai's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'you have the right to den a breathalyser test'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I pray it never comes to that. The idea of American genocide is absolutely unimaginable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'deny* wow i cant type today'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I lived in the US, I would be more worried about the loss of right from the patriot act, than from gun control. But maybe that's just me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK, Bas, and not in most US states'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and no-one seems to be bothered by the 4th'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Hell, the idea of the downturn of US hegemony is shocking, but it's still happening.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Ranrr, if they take our guns away, how will we defend ourselves?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'really, i thought it was a federal us law. that sucks in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hypothetical paranoid fear over the 2nd? go apeshit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... like any other people in any other country.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Okay how?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i always forget not everyone in this game is from the US. sry if most of my ideas come from that angle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'You're unarmed and a bunch of militants storm into your house and say you're under arrest. There's no guns anywhere yet they are fully armed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'However you want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what does "taking our guns away" mean in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that sounds fucking paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'It would start slowly Dagnir, they would make gun laws to limit magazines and assault weapons. Then once assault weapons are gone they could easily ban pistols and hunting rifles etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If gun control was a problem, it would not be the norm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so it's a long-term plan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and what's the goal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Lol the goal is the government wants complete control over the american people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you afraid that president blacky mcblackman is coming to your home and cap your honkey ass?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'No, i'm not saying that will happen with just one presidential term.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'And it's not the president you have to worry about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I fail to see how guns can protect you from government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Dagnir has a salient point, Lyrikai. Because the current inhabitant of the White House has a different color of skin from you, supposedly, you aren't allowed to worry about the government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The goal of any big unchecked government is to have as much control over its people as possible. Dagnir seems like he is conditioned to be a subservient to his government masters. If you were an American you would understand how much of a big deal and how much of a concern this is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Daain, I am not worried about the president himself he's the least of my worries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'It was sarcasm. I'm in your corner. I think the argument that people don't like Obama because he's black is just ridiculous. Who cares about what color his skin is? Aren't we allowed to dislike his policies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Then how come you keep making references to racism anytime we disagree with what he's pushing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTjRCI6D1Jc'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'When did I say anything about racism? Lol. I don't care if our president is black or not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'm talking to Dagnir, Lyrikai. He said we're "afraid that president blacky mcblackman, etc, etc, etc."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Oooh'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I don't even think Dagnir knows what he's talking about to be honest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'My point is that skin color doesn't matter. I couldn't care less if our president was black, white, lavender or leprachuan. I'm going to agree or disagree with him based on his policies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't. we have, like, 10 black guys here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lyrikai grins at Daain.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I'm glad we both agree then, Daain.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'I wonder what a leprachuan's policies would be like. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Lucky Charms for everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'And I have to kick myself. I misspelled leprechaun and it's been bugging me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'oh well I copied your spelling of it cus I suck at spelling. also capatolizing and often punctuation'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'm typically fairly good in those areas, which is why I've been bugged by it since I made the mistake. Think I got it right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all done now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You see, this is what happens when a big company lays off its workers and contracts out the work to build jets to subcontracters....The boeing 787 is a lemon. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massivehugetits governor proposing massive tax hikes. nebraska goernor proposes ending state income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Guys check your gun safes. Because all of mine seem to be GONE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dunno, I missed the ass end of the gun debate chain. Did Dragnir make an epic comeback?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an attack by islamist militants on a gas facility in eastern algeria leaves 2 dead and 20 hostages'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure he'd have wanted me to call you a liar and a conpisracy theoriest though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perversion of childrens' sexuality'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'hell yeah it was o_O'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you made me scroll up to try to find the context of that -_-'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, could be anything, couldn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'For some weird reason the Disney channel came to mind. I don't let my kids watch that crap. I swear every fuckin show is either trying to make 5 to 8 year olds want to dry hump each other or start thinking about gay, lesbian or Bisexual lifestyles. Don't quote me on that:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if i find a mistake in last year's tax return and it's in my favor am i morally or otherwise obligated to fix it and pay those taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'let's also say it was candidly a good faith mistake'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if fixing the mistake means you will owe the IRS, then I would attempt to refile.  They won't exactly jump fast on a recent mistake, but if you were to get audited later this one little mistake could turn into a big, ugly one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'well then it's a simple cost benefit expected value analysis, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what are the odds they 1.  audit and 2. catch this mistake over 3 or 5 years or whatever the period is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'is it you? We all hope pretty good then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '#2 will be practically guaranteed.  #1, not so much (provided you generally stay out of trouble).'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the chances of being audited stand out if anything life changing happens tho, ie purchasing a home, large increase in income, inheritance, stock sales, anything out of the ordinary from your recent history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'keep in mind that the IRS has a pretty large tab it's been rather lax on collecting, and they've been increasing collection efforts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i actually don't think the IRS would catch this'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it's a mistake, then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'contributing property to a partnership which fails the diversification test so the partnership basis is the value on date of contribution, not legacy value'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the built-in gain is taxable to me, but unless ir eport it the IRS would never see it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless you're handling the paperwork on both sides, the IRS is going to find a record.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the pship would never report it, and the broker doesn't see it in their 1099s as a sale (the stock were just xfered out of the account)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i doubt i would get audited because i don't claim m any deductions and my taxes pad as % of AGI is high'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '400k in tax is in the balance.  I'm leaning towards not amending.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the IRS will not let a difference of 400k go.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think they would ever see the income, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is no record'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if your taxes are that high to begin with, you are damn fool to be doing them yourself.  Get the accountant involved.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I buy stocks for 100, now worth 200.  contribute them to a partnership for 200 pship interest, but pship allocates income from gain/loss on the 200 not my legacy 100 basis (because these stocks failed the diversification test)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and the broker doesn't see them as a sale... the 1099 has nothing on them.  And the pship 1065/K-1 has nothing on them.  Unless I report the IRS won't see it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the person you sold them to...?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where is the IRS bugs board?  I would like to write a note'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I sold them to the partnership'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'deemed sale, though what it really was simple property contribution in exchange for pship interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I could find an accountant smarter than me, I would hire them.  But there is an amazing number of bad financial people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'thing is, if you get a real accountant, it comes with insurance that they do your tax return correctly.  If you disclose and they fuck it up, they fight to fix it or eat the penalty'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's a good point'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'anything ? anyone ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is a good saying....If they are shooting at you, then you know you are doing something right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'if you can defend yourself with sim firepower than you are aiding those that can't '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or 911 and wait.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Lee County Sheriff's Office has busted a large marijuana grow house operation at 808 Graves Springs Road.  The house contained 1 marijuana plant estimated to have a value of $15,000.......DAMN!  That plant must have 5 lbs of buds!'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'must be some new 1337 strain'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'horsemeat has been found in the beef supply of the united kingdom.....hamburger meat was tested at fast food restaurants and horse dna was found.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'burgers with 29% horsey in them mmmm tasty..'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, someone in New Yorok forgot to exempt police officers from the new gun laws resulting in virtually all NYPD police having been breaking the law since it's inception'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the technical term? "Fail"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'must be a boring news day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'They could at least be talking about Manti Ta'o'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting we're seeing a fracturing of opinion of local political and law enforcement leaders along rural/metropolitan lines'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'metropolitan leaders are declaring war on gun ownership, rural leaders are declaring war on anti-gun legislation'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one such anti-gun nut is called "Mayor Nutter" (and no, I'm not making that up)'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So...segragation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5yr old girl suspended for 'Terroristic-threat" to shoot classmates with pink bubble gun, grilled for 3 hours forced to undergo pschological testing'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yay for one-size fits all rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'New York cops become law breakers overnight as moron legislators fail to exempt them from draconian new gun law'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Former NYPD captain Eric Adams says "recently enacted gun laws in New York will do little to nothing when it comes to crime and violence"'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Napolitano's "See something say something" snitch program to be used to victimise gun owners. Schoolteachers and doctors will be ordered to spy on people'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, UK PM David Cameron backs down from talks to repatriot powers from the EU following a huge groundswell of public opinion behind leaving the EU altogether'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Noddy Holder, uhh Eric Holder even, begs court to stop the release of incriminating documents on Fast And Furious Scandal'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome video, and i mean awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embeddedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet it's not nearly as awesome as "Microwave ovens can soothe menstrual cramps"'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'George Washington was selling 11,000 gallons of moonshine each year, it was his most profitable businesses, tobacco was 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why was it illega?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the king wasnt getting his alcohol tax?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well fuck the king'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the tyrants generally'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'During the Waco siege in April 1993, after failing to execute a search warrant on the Branch Davidians, the beureau of alcohol and tobacoo burnt down the compound massacring 67 people including women and children'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your caring government in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'old news, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ABC to premiere new show "We love Al-Quaeda", a sitcom based in downtown New York in 2001 with a laughter track'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was justice done, did something horrid happen to Janet Reno, or is Tigernuts reminiscing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'justice is never done, the world still has tyrannical governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'speaking of Janet Reno. She was Jeb Bush's AG, so who did Clinton get stuck with her.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easy, they're all on the same globalist side'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false left-right paradigm, people believe that they're somehow different'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while that might be true, it's not that easy to get a job in the enemy camp. Something else must have happened.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ABC - Australian Broadcasting Commission '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'behind the scenes, the layer below (civil servants, enactors) and the level above (lobbyist, funders) are the same whoever is in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's not difficult as long as there is a quid pro quo. The question is what did the democrats get in exchange for Reno.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Australian govermnent permits anti-american tv-shows ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all mainstream media outlets are at it "Founding Fathers", "We Hate Paul Revere"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though governments of all ilks have used TV for propoganda placement for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's really taken of of late as the regulation has fallen away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with all those USA military bases in Australia, as though Australia wants to become the 51st (or 52nd or 53rd) state of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US has it's military industrial complex installed almost everywhere. Everywhere it doesn't have it is an 'enemy''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TV is pretty rubbish these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CDC is a federal propoganda engine, says the medical experts'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a scientific engine'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "tv rubbish" affects minds'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, rots them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I ahve watched TV my whole life'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a dumbed down sheeple, Arnica?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'hey, I like some of that "TV rubbish" :( castle, bones, person of interest, the mentalist...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you honestly say the quality of tv programming has gone up over the last 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The Slime was one of Zappa's best jabs'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'certainly the _potential_ for quality tv programming has gone up, but there's still a lot of shit out there'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortunately, what you post here doesn't (rot them), eh  (laughtrack)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, x-factor, pop idol, the voice, dancing with the stars, all quality programming'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Honestly I think the vast majority of TV has been shit for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'like big brother, x factor, american idol, strictly come dancing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just nostalgia coloring our perceptions about how TV was in the past'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yes I agree with you that those are shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'and I don't watch the shit stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yours might be different, we used to get a lot of documentaries and investigative journalism in the UK, but it's all now just crap populist propoganda now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoons are badly-drawn these days '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I just watched the first Rocky & Bullwinkle on YouTube. It was not mind rot. Still good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'tigernuts: isn't there still stuff like watchdog, panorama and channel 4's thing, I forgot what it was called'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty limited and still mostly shit, danj'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watchdog was never much good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'besides, tv shouldn't be all documentaries and investigative journalism, except maybe after 1am when they ought to put open university programmes on like they used to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rocky & Bullwinkle was educational -- warned of the soviet communist plot'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'there needs to be some entertainment in there as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watchdog tends to go after gypsies, and should be going after multinationals with lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'zade: lol, reds under the bed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not under the bed, they're in the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the EU, quite literally in the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I was twenty before I got the humor in Boris Badenov'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what place on the sliding scale between capitalism and communism is good TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a one dimensional projection with false endpoints, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so straighten me out, what is the actual projection and the endpoints'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer to the question you meant was: smallest government as is pragmatically possible, free markets as far as is pragmatically possible, liberty and freedom as far as is pragmatically possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government at a psuedo-local level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is also a pipe dream TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a pipedream because people like you won't believe in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US used to have it, UK used to have it, it was taken away from us'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people didn't vote it away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'liberty and freedom have very relative boundaries when looked at in a personal vs group context'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a false argument often put forward by collectivists'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Voice" in digital, not analog -- what a big joke'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't consider myself a collectivist TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's just a label to frame the argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a collectivist argument, twyst, whatever you claim'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you confuse freedom and liberty with anarchy, which is not the same thing , or even the same context'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anarchy is a lack of government and a lack of responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone stood by on their own, than it is just a billion dictatorships'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty implicitly requires responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty does not mean everyone standing on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'each with the liberty and freedom to do as much as they can get away with'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a digitised Stradivarius is likely going to sound like an ordinary violin -- all the million-dollar-Stradivarius-analog sounds stripped to produce a digital copy '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't let friends MUD under the influence'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'MUI?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Cable company wants to charge more because of label "Digital Favourites" -- the customers are supposed to be getting a discount to watch and listen to that digital trash'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watched snooker on a digital channel last night, was horrid'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a false premise to argue that freedom and liberty would necessitate no social boundaries or laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ultra crisp super HD looks fake to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'life is for all intents and purposes a zero sum game TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I agree Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what is the absolute minimum that you are okay with someone having?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you agree, you're not braindead ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'under ultimate freedom and liberty, everyone for themselves, laisses-faire like you are advocating'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'minimu standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, you're mischaracterising it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'food, money, possessions, means etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot quantify that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you cannot, will not, or should not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food, water, shelter'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so the bare minimum for all is food, water, shelter.  Do I understand you correctly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Education, access to information'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at a biological level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm talking about a moral level.  a socially "responsible" level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same responsibility you said was inherent to freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so everyone is responsible for making sure the less fortunate among them have food, water, shelter correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so I am not "free" to decide not to do this'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can choose not to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can choose to be irresponsible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irresponsible isn't the word'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is then'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selfish'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ok, would there be any consequences for this selfishness'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or is it tough luck, that guy is just selfish'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, just that your community knows you to be such'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like I said TN, a pipedream'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you go again with your "i can't win the argument, so call it a nonsense". you've clearly been taking lessons from Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are asking me to believe in the inherent goodness of mankind as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when you obviously do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense, i believe in the general inherent goodness of mankind as a whole, even if it clearly doesn't apply in a minority'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we have speed limits because if we didn't, some jackass would drive as fast as they wanted endangering others'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the interference of the government has done nothing to incentivise inherent goodness, and everything to destroy it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the speedlimit one on private highway in Texas is currently 85 mph'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in which third world dictatorship is Twist "dreaming" of near-unrestricted freedom to be greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speed limits are fine to an extent. Where i used to live and drive 15 miles to uni there were 2 villages en route with speed limits. The same route has all bar 4 miles covered with speed limits. There were no serious accidents on the stretch in my driving lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain it away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when the greedy leaders are revolting, the angered masses start revolting"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't quite follow, tbh TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love this quote from Janet Reno in re Richard Jewell:  "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak." You think? She and the media ruined the life of someone who only tried to help.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nvm I see what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is anecdotal though'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a small stretch of road, traversed by mainly locals'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a major highway through the heart of the UK on the other hand, would not be so fortunate TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's interesting that in a talk about freedom vs tyranny you bring up road regulation, when it's clear that roads are an interface between people. I have no objection to those interfaces being policed by communities or representatives thereof'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and such things therefore require a degree of common rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therefore not absolute "freedom"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also framing it as freedom vs tyranny is unfair'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarianism was never about absolute freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'framing libertarianism as absolute freedom is unfair (and inaccurate)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolute freedom is not even theoretically possible unless you are speaking of a 1-body system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarianism was all about the most freedom/liberty pragmatically possible, with small, local, accountable governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an ecology (an interaction of bodies) is a vector space.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case your roads it would be roads patrolled by county cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with rules set down from county level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is so special about the county'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in any n-body system you have to have rules of interactions even if they end up in collisions, therefore there is no freedom of action.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'county is just an arbitrary local grouping'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could call it what you liked'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I meant was, how big.  10 people 100 people 10000 people 100000000 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the acceptable amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no fixed answer to that, but the bigger it is the worse it works. orders of 1000-100,000 would be sensible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local demography and geography are relevent factors here'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a 4-tier poltical system, local, county, state and federal. Each one can make rules as long as they don't conflict with the rules of the upper tier(s).'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the number of people doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anaristos, the number is important as it affects how representative and how reactive the governance is'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well if I understand TN directly he wants to flip the tiers'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicanism (and perhaps Libertarianism) seems to be for the freedom of the advantaged to be exploitive. yet being protected by the government, and serviced by the docile slave labor recruited from the disadvantaged -- very "elitist"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's at one tier, it doesn't affect local government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only really needs 2 tiers, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can see how that would inherently lead to anarchy TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anarchy is good :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what use is a federal govt if it is super ceded by all the local govts below it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a seperation of powers, twyst, like was originally touted by the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if an anarchic system, the rules would always be co-operative if they existed at all. I would make a deal with my neighbor for the use of the road, for instance. In other words, you would end up archiving the same level of control a "real" government has, without the overhead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what if you live in a place where you have five neighbors and the all hate you because you are black/gay/ what have you Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'living in an anarchy doesn't mean that people would drive through red lights because there no laws against it, no more than they drive through red lights even if there laws against it. They would stop because it is common sense to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is your means of recourse?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the same thing you have now, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you think that laws protect the hated from the hater? If you do, you have not read much history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Tigernuts is not english today: misspelt "separation" and "propaganda")'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in a decent system, a local keeper of the peace (constable) would pull you over and say "please don't drive through a red light, it's dangerous"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'now I can complain to my local govt.  if they don't do anything i.e. 50's southern states.  I can complain to a fed govt etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and you being a reasonable rational person would agree and do as he says out of the kindness of your heart TN :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to some faceless powertripping goon pulling you over, maybe tasering you, shouting at you, searching your car illegally for drugs, maybe planting drugs, then giving you an arbitrary fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we throw the book at people with laws right now, and they still break them.  but if you ask nicely'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the lays are not proactive, they only come into play after an act was been committed. So, the gay, black, jew or whatever is in danger no matter how many laws are in the book that are claimed to protect them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the laws*'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying you want a tyrannical police state, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about the original action Anaristos, I'm talking about recourse'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a dead man has no recourse'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're suggesting'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the state says you can't murder someone, no matter how much you want to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't see how that is tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local communities aren't capable of dispensing law and order, must have feds'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that murders have ceased to occur because of the laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true Anaristos, but I don't believe in the inherent goodness of mankind'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your failing, tywst, you don't believe in the inherent goodness of mankind because you have no inherent goodness'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your soul is clearly dead :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anarchy doesn't need inherent goodness in mankind, it only needs self-interest. The same self-interest that made bartering work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't see how you go from A>B TN.  but okay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the jet engine is what drives access databases, so he is a bit behind the times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well we all obviously have the means to see our needs in life met, or some of us are spending way too much time on a text based mud, but it is different if we didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your position goes hand in hand with selfishness, Twyst. If everyone loses faith in the inherent goodness of mankind, then nobody will do anything out of benevolence, and it becomes a self fulfilling prphecy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who cares about the inherent goodness of mankind ( a work of fiction, anyway).'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather needs, maybe, aspirations? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'decades of tyranny and greed has ensured that nobody in the UK can afford to have aspirations anymore, and that's thanks to socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism and fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so lets say you aspire to be a wealthy businessman TN and own the city of London'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can everyone do this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only ideal man is good (or bad). Life is driven by the self-interest necessary to survive (stay alive), goodness is an artificial measure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, neither can people aspire to be god'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'see Anaristos is brave enough to flat out say it TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think you feel the same, but won't admit it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It worked for jesus, and ron l. hubbard...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but to aspire to have my little corner of the country to live in peace and be left alone, was an aspiration that was open and assumed for my parents generation, and was possible when i was born, it isn't possible now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a noble aspiration, TN, but it doesn't make you good, bad or indifferent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say bad or indiffrent tbh'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then fine, don't believe in goodness, Twyst, don't expect me to help you, and don't expect me to bowdown to a tyrannical government that will forcibly dispossess me for YOUR benefit'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this has to come at the cost of some other people living in shitty cramped conditions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"goodness" is not part of nature, it's a human construct.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because life is a zero sum game'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you fail TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't depend on the Govt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say I'm the same as you.  Just feel some semblance of responsibility for those less fortunate'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to draw relationships that don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my standard of living is not dependant on someone in australia, or africa, unless i am taking resources from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you inherently are'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are a finite number of resources after all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me ask you this: Here is a the goodness of man at work. A dog attacks someone and he is not sent to his dog house without supper for week, he is not spanked, he is not put on probation, he's not fined. He is murdered. Man is good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop breeding!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Tiger lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Man drives the bear from his habitat, when the bear comes back, he's "put to sleep". How quaint.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were plenty enough resources to go around when i was born, it's only selfish people having >2 kids that are screwing it up for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is false TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not false'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there were plenty enough resources when you were born because the UK and the west in general got more than their fair share'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Actually Anaristos, in Minnesota we relocate them not put them down : )'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my parents generation there was enough land in the UK for everyone to have an acre, now it's less than 1/5 of an acre'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Why are people selfish if they want to have 2 or more kids? Why don't you have any kids, so they can have 4? Because you are as selfish as they are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have any kids, anaristos, so fail :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that all revolves around selfishness, no matter what color you paint it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and selfishness is an inherent trait is it not Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'selfishness is an attribute of all living things.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no doubt about that, anaristos, who's more selfish, people who want to live sustainably in self governing communities, or people who want to dispossess everyone for their own greed using "redistribution" as a justification?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you want to discuss degrees of selfishness, that's another topic :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but again, I ask you, why should someone be less selfish so that another can be more selfish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'redistribution implies that everyone has the same thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'redistribution is a mechanism, not a result'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I am not advocating for redistribution, or collectivism, or whatever buzz word you want to use'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but redistribution implies that some might suffer so that others won't. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just think everyone should have some minimum standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll record that and quote it back to you when you're advocating it, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me put figures to it, Let's assume you earn 50,000 quid a year and your neighbor earns 5,000 quid.  I'm not saying you and your neighbor should both earn 50+5/2.  I am saying 10k or whatever arbitrary number set as the minimum is good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if that entails you taking home 45k and your neighbor having 10k what is the harm in that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's to say your neighbour "earns" 5,000, what if he does nothing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Social responsibility should be about providing the knowledge to provide for ourselves, not actually providing food/shelter/etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone had a million dollars Krache who would be a janitor? no one would pick shit up'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and besides, the current models of government ensure that if you have 3 neighbours earning 5000,50k, and 5m, money is taken from the 5000 and 50k and given to the 5m'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, and have to keep giving him one every day if you dont want him to die. Teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we recognize the need for janitors, so we should make it at least minimally bearable'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then pay him more'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If everybody had a million dollars, a million dollars wouldnt be worth very much'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then that means for however much amount is worth something Krache, someone would have to much less than that.  Agreed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"teach a man to fish, the maan overbreeds, and the fish go extinct"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we can't all be fisherman, there are so many fish in the river'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in that analogy there are "only so many fish in the river", then there are too many people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bluntly'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'one child policy needed iyo TIggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so who decides TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who should die that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need policies, thatangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's asking anyone to die, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in that analogy there are "only so many fish in the river", then there are too many people''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy are you contending that there are too many humans ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are too many humans, ta'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Ah ,, ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soln?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm all ears :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop giving cash handouts for breeding, make a contraceptive implant a prequisite for receiving welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use your propoganda machine to suggest 1 and 2 child families being best'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make missing parents pay for their children'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Starl lives ! :P - I happen to agree though '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'We should give people on Welfare jobs instead of free money >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean the streets would be a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'resurface roads'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unemployment stabilizes inflation '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'full employment = wage pressure'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Obesity is a problem here in the US, as is renewable energy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN, are the Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Irish, Africans, likely to be on board with that no more than 2 children per family'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Put all the people on welfare in Hamster Wheels let them generate electricity for us all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'work for the dole schemes I agree with though '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some will, some won't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'getthem used to being drones '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require everyone to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Republicans do not want to distribute contraceptives'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and ban abortion'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'some republicans still count on the Xtian vote ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could understand objection to abortion, i don't understand objection to contraceptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'counterintuitive but oh well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Republicans do not want to teach school children how to use contraceptives'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please elaborate TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why it is a different issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a different issue because it's an issue about "at what age should children be sexualised"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'a long bow but still population control'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'teaching kids about contraception doesn't encourage them to have sex'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have all the encouragement they need'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some believe teaching 6yr olds about sex and sexuality is a bad thing, and i probably agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the media sexualises underage Way before the education system tries to '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some believe teaching 16 year olds how to be safe sexually is a bad thing, and I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the problem, tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yes tiggy it is '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yet the xtian fundies that use this problem as a platform are reticent to take on the media... funny that '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN attempts the "don't want to teach them at 6 years old, so don't teach them at all, even later" argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say that, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder how billions upon uncountable billion of humans came into existence without ever taking a sex ed class. I mean, how did the human race survive the dark ages when they had no idea how to procreate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade read the text b4 respond .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the religious wing use the argument that it should be them, and not the school system that teaches kids morality and sexuality'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's not a point of view that is right or wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, so they can teach abstinence only'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then let them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course they are going to argue that way, just like you are arguing to do it your way. That doesn't mean that either way is correct.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your detractors are going to infer that you implied that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even though that demonstrably doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abstinence is entirely valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo abstinence is not natural and nature is good '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Abstinence as a birth control" is a big joke'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so fine, abstain. What does that have to do with me or anyone else? Just because you abstain doesn't mean that others have to, or have to listen to you preach about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's great, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'liked ur Anarchy thread Snail , btw '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same thing as abortion....'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and gay marriage...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the biggest problem that human face is the fact that they can't mind their own business, someone is always trying to get someone else to do something his way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you see a pattern here? Small gov't folks only want small gov't for them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'big gov't for everyone else is fine though'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find their argument isn't that people are having abortions, it's that their tax money is being used to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'People should be able to do as they please so long as it doesnt impose on others personal freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so taxes pay for gay marriage TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try again'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortions, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'everything effects everyone - just grades of effect .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they want to outlaw abortions TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might want to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems like a broad blow just with the goal of taking tax money out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheaper to pay for abortions than to pay for poverty, ecocide, wars, caused by overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't think abortions should be necessary, but i'm pragmatic, i think they should be legal but restricted to the first 12 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'contraceptives are cheaper even still'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and besides, some of that tax money goes to pay junkets, so what is some of it goes to pay for abortions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i also believe we currently use abortions as a get-out clause whereas we should be concetrating on every other option, like contraceptives, abstinence, responsibility, adoption'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, most of the abortions come out of the poverty/stupid class'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'education as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a lot of it can be solved by requiring contraception for welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the Republican congressman who was a doctor...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb I think tax funded abortion along with other anti-loaf breeding measures is valid '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his abortions didn't come from poverty/stupid class'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deliberately overlooking the "majority" part?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'teaching children at 6 on on about contraceptives (without teaching them about sex) is okay -- what the children are not told, they don't know'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade that is just stupid ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you could also mind your own business. Let them do what they want. For one thing, I am betting that all the overwhelming majority of those who oppose abortion will not be willing to help support the child if the woman comes to term. Once the baby is born, she is on her own. Those who stood at the clinics and dissuaded her to have the abortion magically disappear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, as it goes, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'very true '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come on TN it is true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've shown it yourself, how can you say it isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's waiting lists for adoption'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'STOP BREEDING remember'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'abortions prevent unwanted/unplanned pregnancies'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unless the mother joins the church and is treated as charity case \'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't forgotten, but you're accusing a small group of people of something that isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever reason the woman had for wanting an abortion didn't go away, so she is stuck, in whatever situation she was trying to avoid, on her own.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with their position, but mischaracterising it is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The people that argue pro-life are still providing for those single parents on welfare, its called taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok tiggy - restate your case ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the pro-abortion people don't pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and bitching about it all the time Krache'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there should be an additional way of funding that, Krache, it's called the missing parent'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and saying welfare is too much right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why can't they buy that second boat'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like a first boat, twyst, actually i'd like SOMEWHERE TO LIVE'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the money is going to those crackhead welfare cases, that's why'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be fucking nice'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wait ! I can have a boat ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'teach children about sex a year before puberty -- then they are fully trained to use protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'can I trade 2 boats for a ship ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'a lil more considered position Zade '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force the missing parent to pay for the kid, refuse to pay? stick em in prison/work camp until the entire 16yr debt is paid off'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also teach the girls to say no to lecherous boys'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll soon school 'men''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you could let nature take its course. You don't see the Earth overrun by any particular animal. I mean, sure there are a lot of humans but there could be more. But things are being taken care of already. Wars are continuously going on, and the great natural disasters are always a day or two away. Humans don't need codified population controls, the controls are already in place. The same controls that have kept the population down since day 1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really fucking easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what if you are a responsible man TN, and you break your back in an accident and are unable to provide for your kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tough shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wait for charity of people kind enough to help you out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, stop trying to screw over an idea because of specific exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is entirely possible to have a system that can mitigate because of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'global violence is at an all time low ,century on century but yes ecological and resource pressures will cap the population , and the current ecosystem .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the case of a dead parent'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the Greeks like to work out all the details before a contract is signed"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'not the best way Snail but effective enough '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you try to codify interactions you are always going to screw someone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's inevitable, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean you shouldn't try'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'as I said - everything effects everyone - just to differing degrees '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is inevitable, just don't codify interactions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Greeks like to debate "general ideas" with "specific details" and "specific exceptions"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'For one thing, the codifier is never the one who gets screwed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'never been a revolution of a ruling class Snail ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Presidents send troops  into battle zones, one was the last time a US president died in a battlefield?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'against*'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'War Pigs :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you can say, well "sending troops there was inevitable". But the sender sits at home and the sent takes it in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I bet Gidafi is saying that now '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '.. sp? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama needs impeaching over Libya/Syria. Bush and Blair need prosecuting over Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say "let's not have abortions" then you go home and take care of business, the woman with the child takes it in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'vivid pic Anaristos :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, I'll will go along with any rules in which the implementor takes the same risk as I do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can buy that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yep or the dumbass father with child maint payments over something noone wants .. and how cruel to be the unwanted child - imo abortion is entirely preferable '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and so the woman with child says the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some left-wing scientists want post-birth abortions up to 3yrs of age'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'very vague statement with no back up TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are also psychos if true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that people are either born or not born based on some stochastic scheme that we don't know about. The child who was aborted was never ment to be born otherwise  it would have.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these 'psycho's tend to make government policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't believe in late term abortions anyways, unless the kid was going to die or the mother as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have one in the US government right now, called Eric Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Eric Holder gets a lot of shit from people who are going to bag on him regardless TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rightly so'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a eugenacist'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Rumsfeld blew chunks, but not a peep from those same people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rumsfield is a cunt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lang'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debate is free for all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol soz .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and no chann is free for all , I have lost count of the times I have been banned on curse chan'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't attack someone or be racist of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Alberto Giubilini Monash University Melbourne, Francesca Minerva, Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics. http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411.full'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and go read "Ecoscience" co-authored by Noddy Holder, err, Eric Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/18/Holder-Outlines-How-To-Change-Public-Opinion-On-Guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN.  for all I know Eric Holder could be a flaming douchebag'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '"a newborn is not a person" .... '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'explain that to the newborn'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the people against him, were against him at first then found reasons to justify it afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eric Holder, like Obama, grew up around and was influenced by some seriously dodgy people in the ultra-left'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't against him at first, i didn't know who he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right wing conspiracy theory TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's history'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which dodgy left wing people influenced Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Frank Marshal Davies Jnr, Bill Ayers (are two that come to mind)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is an unknowable fact because we are not Obama so we don't know who he was "influenced by"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, nice attempt at copout'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Obama isn't left wing, so I guess he wasn't influenced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nah that was just my first stab at it, so I could do a .0001 sec google to find the connection is tenuous at best'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'God Bless Obama.  He's the biggest reason the liberty movement is getting so much momentum.  You don't really realize what you have until it is threatened.  The bigger the threat, the more you realize...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama isn't the threat'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and you quote snopes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo "the Masses " are the enemy.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'time to kull'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are giving me Breitbart... fair is fair'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was quicker than tracking it down on youtube, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, it was a press conference, so the original source is probably Cspan'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a press conference? what happened at said press conference'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were both there? they saw each other?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who were what'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were talking about Noddy Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oic'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is part of a governmental mafia, Chicago branch, not really in question'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all government is a pseudo-mafia'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not everyone in it, but enough to have hold of the controls'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt you'll disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If Obama was named John and was a republican but did the exact same things'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he would be equally as bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the people for him now would be against him and the people against him now would be for him'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as Bush, Gore, and Rumsfeld are bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sheeple might, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you haven't lived in America I guess TN.  But is it dominated by sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, spent best part of 8 weeks in the USA ;-) living in BC for 3 months'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why a majority of people in the south of the country earning less than 35k a year would fight to preserve tax breaks for the top 1 %?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Obama is a black muslim socialist dictator'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, it's a bit more mundane than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"vote for me and we'll reduce your taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and they used to be pro-constitution, pro-guns, pro liberty, though that hasn't been true for a long time, the sheeple just haven't realised it yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were never that though TN.  Just where it suits them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same thing here in the UK, people habitually vote labour because they want welfare, people vote right because they want low taxes and hands off government, but they're identical now, people haven't realised it's a false choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are fine abusing the constitution to get what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, but they SAY they're pro-constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know politicians don't do what they say in the manifesto, at least we SHOULD do, we never hold them to account for it though, that's why they're getting away with more and more'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if you're smart vote for the party that closest resembles your policy choices and barring that live with it, because honestly I don't see it changing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't end purely with voting for a party that closest matches, you can get involved at local government level too'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'until you get flipped :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get enough good people, not all will get flipped'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by interest groups and donations :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will vote for anyone will lower the price of meat.....or make it illegal to export american meat anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can usually tell the right people to vote for because they're the people that the main parties are trying to marginalise through process, such as the UK Prime Minister saying that UKIP shouldn't be given a voice in electoral debates at the next election, despite them polling more than the Liberal Democrats, who DID have a platform'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China imports so much american beef now, that the price of the damn thing is skyrocketing here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar arguments in the states regarding third party candidates, all forced out of the debate by democrat/republican monopoly on the commission that does the debates'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally with the US, if you poll 5% in the states you are on the poll for, and are on the books for at least 48 states, you should get a spot on 1 of the debates, 10% 2 debates, 15% all 3'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The price of bacon used to be reasonable, and now it has doubled in 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same should be true of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are discussing smart RFID tracking chips on all guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and medications'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost as bad as Illinois wanting to audit/record ALL gold transactions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nanobots cleaning your arteries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is there a curriculum in Texas for schools called CSCOPE that parents are not allowed to see and teachers have to sign non-disclosure agreements about? how fucked up IS that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'relating to what subject tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teaching of Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'LOL '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recipe for misunderstanding and dodginess'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feds do it to themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't they? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so much for honest and transparent governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not approved by Texas State Board of Education, and not subjected to public review'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pro Islam and pro-UN propaganda. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah .. they are just scared of providing anothe form of rebelion imo - satanism is pretty lame - Islam gets you in bed with potentially some nasty ppl'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wait .. the texas school system has a secret Pro islamic component to curriculum ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ur funny '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they had a commision to look into it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say for certain if it's pro-, but certainly pro-UN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd advocate teaching of the origins and problems of Islam in schools, but I don't agree with secret curriculums that circumvent local accountability'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'same applies for any religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but Islam is the bogey man du Jour these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you teach the origins of Islam, it reinforces the way it's been abused and circumvented for personal and political gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to fear, so I don't see the need for it to be secret'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it is %1, not 1%'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, in a school system that thinks that science is evil, I can understand that they think that teaching about islam must be kept secret.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, Ranrr, that's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the commision didn't find too much Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it found too much Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo the historical and philosophical points of all religions should be taught but at no stage give judgemnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's the way the texas school system appears to an outsider.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of the cybersecurity executive order that obama signed that congress aren't allowed to see'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or his obamacare that wasn't written until after it was passed'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not the way to run a democratic constitutional republic'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really all faiths have an element of "laymen" speak for 90% of parishoners and the detail really only concerns the others - base masses just want to be well fed drones'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think about secret curriculumns, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and secret legislation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never heard of secret curriculums tbh'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've just been talking about one'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'was afk'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'll have to read up I guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'secret legislation is obviously not good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'however, I would guess 99.95% of elected officials who actually vote don't read the bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, glad you can at least agree with that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the time they're not given the time to, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'A: interest group x writes legislation for them and makes them sign for money'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'B: they look to their party and vote that way'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much time do you think a congressman would need to read a 4000 page bill and understand it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'C: they let their aides do the actual legislating and just enjoy the perks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm almost positive half of our congressmen are illiterate'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all sounds like good reasons not to have a monolithic system of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How annoying, the TSA is removing the full body xray scanners from airports, :('
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know why, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to avoid serious lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it frys the bejeesus out of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because congress told them to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because they fudged the safety tests?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt is immune thank to the Patriot Act'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Texas CSCOPE as outlined above may be violating the 1st Amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm just glad those TSA jerks can stop wasting my time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fudged the safety tests, were put in by a bloke who was set to benefit financially from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they'll continue to waste your time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'metal detector is fine for me'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and not just in airports, too, they're being expanded to road, rail and bus'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, they don't want to pat people down'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb ceramic glock..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone opted for the pat down, they would stop the goddamn screening'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You keep thinking the metal detector is fine when I blow your ass away with my ceramic gun. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cermic glock, you say Thatangle? you know you can fool those scanners with a pancake right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz ! lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why worry about ceramic glocks when the US and Nato have been giving surface to air missiles to the people they are also simultaneously calling terrorists and are fighting'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really never tried , I prefer rifles '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why get guns onto a plane when you can just shoot the fucker down?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tiggy ! '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's ironic though, banning guns on planes makes them safer :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a Stinger shoulder mounted missile....Do you think I can get one or a dozen ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so many on my thread thoughts !'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many do you think you need?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least a bakers dozen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just hook a model jet up with a warhead n fly it urself - is .. easy .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'last time I checked the constitution Riz... that's A-OK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only airborne threats to me i can see in the future are spydrones, could probably take those out with a standard rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not get 100, just in case the Gov't invades :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, if the govt goes down, I doubt to many helicopters will be around, so 13 should be enough to protect the ranch....we already have a tank.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz you store water in that ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the M1A1 abrams is for storing water ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'humans are 70% water ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in certain states, collecting rainwater is illegal in Oregon, and possibly other states'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does Twyst feel about making it illegal to collect rainwater?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't have an informed opinion about that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on the surface it sounds silly, but I'm sure there is more to it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'opinions are like asssholes - everyone has one '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the surface and below the surface it's silly'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone who drives by the ranch sees the tank and stops....it weighs 68 tons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the Oregan reasoning behind forbidding collecting rainwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the water belongs to the people of oregon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason the UK has such droughts is because all of the traditional water storage and drainage has ended. Used to be networks of ditches and "ponds" that drained the land and stored the water. Now those have been taken out replaced with land drains that take the water straight to the river. Additionally people concrete over everywhere meaning water runs off to drains (and to the river) rather than getting back into the water table'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so essentially laws preventing rainwater collection are contributing to water shortages by preventing water getting into the water table'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's it, it's a law based off ideology, not sound environmental science'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere else in the world that is going 'green' is promoting rainwater collection'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a 1925 law TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? it's still enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure that is what they were trying to nab him for :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our prosecutors have too much overreach'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the water belogs to the people" sounds communist (and commizarist)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it comes from a box-ticking culture, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they want you for one thing, can't get it, so they look at the books going back 200 yrs till they find some violation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get that with huge monolithic governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't think what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We added a 8 acre, 5 foot deep lake to our ranch......rainwater keeps it filled mostly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does that water GO, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that monolothic big government leads to this behavior TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it does, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its the law and order throw the book at them elect prosecutors crowd that does it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The water keeps the catfish and other fish in the lake alive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might not be evitable, Twyst, but history and current situation shows that's what HAS happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it always? probably, if you think "no", then in your words, that's a pipedream'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last week we caught a 28 lb catfish in the lake....the biggest one yet...woohoo!  We had beer battered catfish that night for dinner....'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad laws are passed by "douchebags", not by the "government". So the concerned citizen requires to be prejudiced against the douchebags, and never forgive them -- family feuds and vendettas'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find active citizens abhor both of the above'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Eternal Vengeance is the price of Liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Westpoint is a bit dodgy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a thermobaric bomb.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US used the last of its BLU-82 or Daisy Cutter bombs in the iraq war.  Instead of building more, the army decided to build an even bigger bomb, the 2nd largest non nuclear bomb in the world.  The MOAB, Mother of All Bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's the first largest non nuclear bomb? father of all bombs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'wasn't there a bomb used in Vietnam that had to be dropped by cargo plane, like 30k lbs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that was the BLU-82'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The russian FOAB is the largest non nuclear bomb in the world, but they have never exploded it, and they only reported having it AFTER we made the MOAB'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What a tasty waste....it takes 2 lbs of soybean meal pellets to make 1 lb of catfish meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 lbs of soybean meal have about 4000 calories, while 1 lb of catfish is around 600 calories.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Here is a great example of having the command of the language:> : Right-handed people are more dexterous with their right hands when performing tasks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'like saying that water is wetter when wet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'What's cooler than cool? ICE COLD!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Left-handed people are more dexterous with their left hands when performing tasks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'like saying the water is not wetter when wet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Lies!  Left handed people are most sinster!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'At all times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'precisely :) '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if left-handed people were dextrous, they would be right-handed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hostages are allll dead'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I killed em so we could talk without encumbant issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the fuss is about, every time there's a hostage issue the 'western countries' claim that "they don't negotiate with hostages", so why the surprise?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'do u ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'f em tac nuke '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waste of resourecs'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the hostages were armed, would they have been taken?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'negotiation? yes pesant war. just nuke em'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, give everyone guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give people in fucking dangerous parts of africa crawling with jihadi's gune'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hi Vost '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost gallantly tips his hat to Thatangel.
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like we're talking suburban France here'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just nuke em '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave the nukes to india and pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Algerian forces sent in a bunch of part-timers'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight because I think you have a point there: If a hostage situation arises in a foreign country and involves US citizens, then the US should nuke the terrorists. What if terrorists take foreign hostages in US soil? Do foreign governments get to nuke too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they sent in what they had'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'should have got western special forces to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why is that Vost?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the slating that the Algerians got, Anaristos, they did what they had to do, so other countries should stop whinging'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'highly trained for this situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they didn't have to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they had to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tit for tat - but nuke em lets sort the world out now rather than later'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the "western" special forces are very well trained. But they are not Algerians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'exterminate the human species?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'algerians are pretty experienced in this sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly don't have to answer to Japan or the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'given that I am not human - sure - waste em all'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct. Besides, Vost, you could have sent in anyone and the result would have been the same.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'well, we are both speculating about that'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are you a cockroach, Thatangel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this group of jihadi's won't be doing it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am Tzadkiel.. worse '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but you are thinking of the "western" special forces as mages, they would be soldiers attacking a position which would not fall immediately. And even if they did, the terrorists (or whomever) would have had time to kill hostages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'we don't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Algerian government didn't even inform the Western politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'thaen trust me ... wish the roach'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably needed to act quickly'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vost, tell me, what business is it of theirs? Do western politicians run Algeria?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you don't know... maybe the us troops had remote mosquitos that suffocated all the terrorists... very likely :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'when there are western hostages involved...'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I suggest you look the word "sovereignty" in the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now now'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, western hostages are more important than the other hostages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, now the straw man argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in a global capatalist setting there is no sovereginty '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, brown people don't matter - that's why we have to cry and disarm the public over 20 white kids, but 170 dead brown kids is just collateral damage'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am asking. You are saying that the Algerians should have defer to other nations on a domestic situation. I am asking why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but really, US troops has no busines on alergian soil if they don't request so. No matter if they keep hostage or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I said no such thing and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I just want to know why you think that the Algerian government should have deferred to other nations and not handle the situation themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end of'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have been polite for them to keep foreign embassies more involved, but you have to realise it was a fast evolving situation, so that might not have been possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just nuke em '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it was their country to do as they saw fit in a domestic situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'this makes me think of team america :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they felt confident to do it themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if they were scared shitless, it was really their job and no one elses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'dammit nuke team america'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US military has a tendency to think they have the right to "rescue" people from "insurgents" and "terrorists" all over the world. '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while being the biggest purveryors of terrorism anywhere, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world's superhypocrite'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '1984 much Rranrr'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yes, by any definition, they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Have you even read 1984? Completely different issue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah actual just finished it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'newsspeak was U'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that book was ultraplusunbad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Snail ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise most of his work was non-fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'clockwork orange ref I get '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people like that only get this stuff published by presenting it as fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I realize that all of this is fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is fiction, that the government watch everything you do?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afraid to say, that's reality'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we live fact- we talk fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget he also wrote Animal Farm, a not too veiled satire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'have read that too - communism is as much a joke as '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so stand against communism then'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'to late'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first of all, the USSR did not practice communism. Whatever their form of government was, it was not communism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the latter, I suspect :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'often it's communism for the masses, dictatorship at the top'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'noone has practiced Marxism - as it is unworkable'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is equivocating and wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'suddup Zade - adults talking'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like we're starting to see communism at the ground level, fascism at the higher level in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not. For one thing, despite their claims, they didn't follow Marx's doctrine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos opinion: 'their country to do as they saw fit in a domestic situation.' <-- likely wrong -- plenty of controversial counter-examples: Nazi Germany, Libya, ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Marx got his philosophy from Hegel, don't you know? In fact both Capitalism and Communism are interpretations of Hegel's teachings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the specifics, it's bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anytime you have the masses being deprived of liberty and power coalesced into the hands of a few, it's bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'both envisage a monopoly market one controled by gov - the other not - big news '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, Zade, that if the situation happened in US soil and involved Algerian nationals, they Algerians would not have been allowed to mount an operation against the hostage takers. So why should the reverse not also hold?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is their country, and they do in their country as they see fit, regardless of the opinions of others. Same attitude as the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Christians do a lot of atrocities is the name of god, and other Christians equivocate with "But that was not Christianity" or "those were not true Christians" -- and then both groups enjoy the spoils of the atrocities'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's your fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'interesting, but what does it have to do with the topic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do then is just to take your foot off the gas and slow down'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(contrary to the Anaristos equivocation), Soviet Communism was "Communism", as that is what "Marxism" and "Leninism" and "Communism" degenerate into: "a bad brutal oppressive murderous tyranny" called "Communism" (or some other fancy rename (North Korea))'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to side with Zade here, communism is an interpretation and implementation of marxism'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it always ends badly. ALWAYS'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is, unless someone can point to a counter-example'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Nobody can because there is no such counter'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we are lost as there is now no partition - no divide '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, you can claim the the USSR aimed at being communist, but they were not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like the US claims to be a democracy and it is not :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, ain't it just'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'noone can claim anything but capatalist imo - the policy is viral'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not capitalist, fascist'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism at the top, collectivism underneath'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually they are not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same thing ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing totalitarianism vs right wing totalitarianism, they're both totalitarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Oh Godess the deb chan is partof the fishbowl ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how long before the CIA tops Kim Dotcom'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or me'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrat Michigan Supreme Court judge Diane Hathaway charged/pled guilty to fraud'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5yr old pennsylvania girl suspended for 2 days for threatening to shoot another child with a pink hello kitty bubble gun, accused of terrorist threats'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was unaware that 5yr olds knew what government was, much less how threatening someone else even constitutes a threat against government'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows that there really are some retarded teachers in the system'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'my main is a .308 SLR has a swasika in lewft side of stock n hello kitty on right side of stock'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Itry to culitvare my soft side'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I often wonder wha I was built for .. any suggestions ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The purpose of life is relevant to the person in question, its what you make it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'serial killer is naughty '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Krache who are you ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anatisos is equivocating that labels are not labels since the labeled do not live up to the label -- that is a nonsense equivocation -- the world uses labels as valid even when those labeled do not follow the label'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade been taking smart pills ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, the USA is a "democracy''
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the former USSR was a "communist" republic, (and he USSR was (excessively) brutal (as suggested by Marx) to enforce soviet-style "commumism")'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Missouri mom outraged after school tells daughter to get breast reduction to stop harassment'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Moms today!'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the mom, was the school'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Attempt at joke. Failed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised so many americans are home schooling'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'joke succedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe Biden: "I'm proud to be President of the United States"'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bravery and Stupidity are on the same line.  Only the results separate the two.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If an asteroid actually hit the earth and a nuclear winter occured for a few years, would the temp in France really get to -52 C ?  I find that hard to believe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how big the asteroid was and how much dust it kicked up into the sky'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we can hope'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if the temp was -52 C in France, it would be about that cold in England also....'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't make it any worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't see how it could be that cold pretty much anywhere, except perhaps Siberia.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sunlight getting through, it could be'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone go on a gun march today?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Is Aardwolf a game, or a test that humanity must pass to be welcomed into the greater galactic community of intelligent beings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No wonder the first bond film bombed.....Jimmy Bond?  an american spy?  Gimmie a break!'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first casino royale is a shitty film.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, when people make disaster films, they should at LEAST make it somewhat believable....volcanoes exploding in Iceland would NOT cause glaciers to flow onto North America FROM iceland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'that is some B movie you're watching'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh, come on, where is your sense of fun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and another thing.....a glacier is not going to move around 400 miles an hour....this film was made in 2011....I love disaster films, but this one is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what movie is this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and isn't the point of a movie to suspend disbelief?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2012 ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something that is called a mockubuster.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, the main guy just said the glacier that is heading to north america was over 1100 miles long.....Iceland itself is the size of Kentucky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yes, it just gets better and better....now the glacier is insta freezing people just before it hits. :p  Next it will gain sentience and starting asking for glacier rights.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'two words- artistic license'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean look at zero dark thirty...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'like zombies that can run'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you cant run when you hardly have flesh'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i loved this statistic: Obama's 1st term approval rating 3rd worst since WW2, only Carter and Ford have lower'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lower than George W Bush by more than 10%'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the outcome of his first term, having broken a whole bunch of pledges, even doing the opposite in some, how do you think he'll do in his second term?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We will respond to the threat of climate change". Well yeah, that's something he can do by doing nothing I guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1963: Mr Luther King: I have a dream.  2013: Mr Obama: I have a drone'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rapper  Lupe Fiasco got booted off set by security guards after launching into an anti-obama rant as part of his song "Words I Never Said"'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been a great news day'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical fucking tory though swallowed his parties propoganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'Wow... america just continues to get more stupid... apparently they're calling 5 year old girls with a "bubble gun" a terrorist...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I've never felt more proud to be called an american.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's getting to the point, support guns or support genocide...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, santher, said that a couple of nights in a row'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/21/16624485-horrific-scene-after-teen-allegedly-shoots-parents-siblings?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=6'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remind you of GWB: You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oops wrong story'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not much in the way of details in that story'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah better explained on facebook'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm just pissed that their holier than thou position on terrorism stops the moment a big bank is involved'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "God Bless America" was ambivalently humorous -- the script required more work though -- too many flaws in the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's probably like the school says: what is getting released to the media by the family and their attorney probabyl doesn't have all the facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'https://www.facebook.com/pages/100-Percent-FED-Up/311190048935167'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bought a bag of weed?  ****ING terrorist!  Actually laundered terrorist money?  Too big to fail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole terrorism scare was done to put in authoritarian practices with one aim in mind: Disarm the people and demonise those who would oppose full federalisation and destruction of the constitutional republic, namely constitutionalists, libertarians, old-fasioned rural republicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and here's another good page for you obama fans...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really is a city vs country folk thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'https://www.facebook.com/BreitbartOneSilencedMillionsAwakened?ref=stream'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not in question, it's in the army/DHS training documents'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah and depopulate the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, can't say if it's depopulate, or just get everyone living on welfare in city areas'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's the first step'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all set up, higher taxes, agenda 21, collectivism'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what do think the fema concentration camps are for?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the beginning of the movie "Donor" was annoying -- a female willingly received an illegal kidney transplant to save her life, and then wanted to shut down the illegal organisation simply because the donor died from an unfortunate medical complication - she knew there were risks and she was ungrateful'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was thinking: what if "God Bless America" spliced into "Donor" and put the ungrateful recipient out of her misery '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'Do you think anyone should be able to purchase a fully automatic weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes people should be able to'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to the right training, backround checks and storage, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fully automatic weapons empty the magazine too fast'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, fully auto are pretty pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'better off with semi-auto'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm better of to select between fully and semi'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well i can fire 2 rounds a second with semi...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'on the 'assault rifle' ban, what defines an assault rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not the guns they banned...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they mean it to mean anything that even looks like an assualt rifle...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'that doesnt help, I'm genuinely curious.  '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'but amry rifles are exempt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't such a thing as an "assault rifle"'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'second ammendment should allow people to posses weapons simmilar tho those currently being employed in combat situations'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an arbitrary term with pretty shitty made up factors that don't really work'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between fully automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people can posses old school cannons last time i checked'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'to what purpose would anybody need to have a 3 round burst m4?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'its only job is to kill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'to stop a genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of reasons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats the whole point od the second ammendment superjayt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'if you don't know that Obama is like Mao, stalin and hitler... you really need to do some research.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if citizens ever need to for a milita that they are able to form a effective militia because they have the right tools'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'and yet that will get you nowhere near the miliary's capability'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. -Thomas Jefferson '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'mao, stalin and hitler? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'um... no.  I'm not a fan of some of Obama's actions, but he's still no where near the likes of Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'there is plenty to critize obama for, but that's so far off'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only nowhere like Hitler because he hasn't gassed Jews and declared war in all directions?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'limiting magazine capacity would especially reduce ability to defend if the situation ever arises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is the trouble with some Americans, they spurt dribble out of their mouth wih inaccurate comparisons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sure Tiger - I think that's an excellent counter argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'so far off... well obama is using children to take guns away just like Mao, Stalin and Hilter did... so you tell me...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Santher is babbling nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I never brought up obama, i asked questions, I personally dont see the reason to have certain weapons.  The first thing you do is blame obama.  The 2 are not related.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler came to power in 1933, in 1939 he declared war in all directions - Obama has a couple of years before he has to do something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'don't get me wrong - the unchecked drone strikes and sneaking "it's ok to kill Americans in the name of anti-terrorism without due process" into the NDAA is a spit in the face to our founding father's idea of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'do your research zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and pull your head out of your ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I breathe every few seconds. Oh no! I've become like mao, hitler and stalin!'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about the "i want to run a transparent government" then start signing bills in secret>?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the think is if the current leaders limit the second ammendment it will only make it easier for future leaders to enact even more strict policies'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i swear an oath to protect and uphold the constitution" then sign a bill allowing for the wiretapping and monitorring of internet traffic of all americans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Santher - you should google "study it out" - you sound either retarded or trolling us'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i don't need the permission of congress to deploy troops in a foreign country"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'you cant link facebook as a source and then say 'pull your head out of your ass''
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i didn't just ling facebook, ya sheep'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'link'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i won't raise taxes of hard working americans" then raising taxes for 77% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll close gitmo!'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about using teachers and doctors as "snitches"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah obamacare isn't about healthcare...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to make up stuff to diss Obama, he could be impeached 3 times over for what he's done just so far, how the hell he got re-elected, only the voting machine vendors know'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right, the failure to close gitmo after promising to do so in 2008 is pretty damning.  I can't fault him for the tax piece though - our tea party congress didn't exactly leave him any option to save the bush tax cuts for working americans.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'George "read my lips" Bush -- similar to what Barack Obama is doing except wihout a slogan'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama is making bush look cute'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could have opted to make all the tax cuts permanent'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'his major competition was even worse, and his independent competition was never allowed to gain traction by our major media'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not, he shouldn't have promised it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I agree, Tiger.  Too often the Presidential candidates speak like they have Congress in their back pocket.  Too often that's not the case.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all -i- ask is some honesty and transparency. If he wanted to do something about guns, table an ammendment to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is incompetent and or a closet republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'congress? they're all bought off now...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end the NDAA, end FISA, fess up about these secret bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop going after patriots'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'this would have never happened if congress had ny balls'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd take Gary Johnson over Obama in a heartbeat, but I'd still take Obama over Romney'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think the leaders of the country should take into account that we do not know what the future has in store and citizens possessing adequate  firepower is one of the strongest sources of last line defence'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and I think that's kinda how Obama got a second term'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah armed americas is why japan never really invaded... it wasn't the army they were scared of...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I think i have to turn this off.  This is not debate this is people talking trash.  I'm up for a debate, but this is dumb.  *wave*'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would be nearly impossible to capture a country that has 300million people all of which are armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's dumb, SJ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did G W Bush and Cheney violate the Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that a vaguely moderate Obama supporter we just saw?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'although not as overty'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure condoning torture if nothing else puts Bush squarely in violation of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriot act was his, no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TSA was his, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'It largely feels like the entire invasion of Iraq was set up on false evidence too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Cheney was neck deep in the 9/11 coverup'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but that's difficult to prove'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'without more transparency'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Barack Obama is doing the same -- partly following the precedent the Republicans set with Bush and Cheney'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't feel at all, taokan, it absolutely was'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's no real republicans anymore either... reagon was the last good one'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it came out in the public inquest they held in the UK, which is now several years late publishing final findings because US won't allow their secret intelligence to be put out because it would paint them in a bad light'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Reagan was incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Arnold Swarzenegger or what not speaks a pretty sound Republican platform'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and warned us about NWO...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but he's not home born, he could never be Pres'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the President's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes he was... but still better then the reast of the rebup clowns'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'repub*'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has not been repealed'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he did a reddit AMA not long ago, basically said what a lot of Republicans have for a while now: the party of "smaller government" needs to stop trying to uphold "Christian Values" and focus on shrinking government instead of expanding it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who he, taokan'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "a lot of Republicans", you mean "Like 4" (unless you're talking about voters and not the politicians)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'arny :)  governer of California, movie action hero :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well i assume the repub party has more then 4 members... but maybe not :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arny was a RINO.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arny was a flid'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right, well that's the problem with a 2 party system'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you pretty much have to buddy up with one of the two big parties or have HUGE backing to overcome people's auto-vote tendencies'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hope one year they screw up and list all the Republicans as Democrats and vice versa, and see how much it influences the election'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Taokan, may you not be American, spouting suggestions like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'quite american.  Unplugged the cable about 10 years ago though, I think it makes me a little off center from the norm'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope for his sake Obama concentrates on healthcare, immigration reform, pushing local green jobs and infrastructure projects - if he keeps pushing at unconstitutional surveillance, gun grabbing and patriot-bashing, he could end up with an armed insurrection knocking at his door'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure that he'll try, Tiger.  But a lot of it comes down to people putting pressure on their congressmen, especially in red states.  Pres can't sign a bill that never reaches his desk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt he'll get anythign through congress, but he can victimise people through his snitch and opression network'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why isn't the opposition calling for the removal of that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and most of the tea party rhetoric is to obstruct government as much as possible in order to force it to collapse into something smaller'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know who the teaparty -are- in congress/senate or what their agenda, but big or small, conforming to the constitution that the oath is sworn to would be a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, Taokan, did you like the movie "God Bless America" '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never saw it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'two party system - the GOP at large isn't interested in repealing the Patriot Act, IE the overextended powers of the exec branch.  Therefore the opposition has little voice'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ultimately why you need to ditch both parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have an identical problem here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somewhat of a comedy  (jaded comedy, heheheheh)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the independents are trying, at least half heartedly'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need more activity at grassroots/state level'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'this 2012 election they went and had their own debates when they were refused a seat at the main ones.  Broadcast by internet since cable refused to cover it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Larry King moderated one of them, was pretty damn cool of him'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I still think it might be possible to change the US system'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but it would have to be coming from counties and states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it'll come in time, people just aren't ready to give up their TV yet.  As the next generation that grows up on youtube instead of spongebob hits voting age, I think we'll start to see a change'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that. If Greece is anyting to go by, it'll need to get -far- far worse before there is the momentum needed to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I sincerely hope we don't have to fall into bankruptcy before our government takes finances seriously, but it is starting to look that way'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will go bankrupt, but you won't be alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not entirely convinced that growing up in a jail with youtube is going to be a major improvement over growing up in a jail with tv'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many european countries have joined you with the >100% of gdp debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the problem is they inherit these unkeepable promises from their predecessors, then just kick the can instead of saying look, that's unsustainable, we're going to fix this, and sorry to the folks that it hurts but we're not going to continue making false promises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'we have like a 16:1 ratio of debt to printed currency.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you use GAAP debt instead of gov't cashflow joke debt, you aren't going to find a lot of wealthy countries under 400% of gdp, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'kinda ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GAAP?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'using those measurs, even Norway has 200% debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the measure that includes companies and personal debt too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'generally accepted accounting principles'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, isn't UK like 2nd or top on that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'gotta afk for a few.  '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for governments, the biggest difference is that under any kind of civilized gaap, they have to count the net present value of future pension, social security, health care promises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..as debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, ours are all broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to patch up the pensions by downgrading them/pushing the retirement date back, but i won't get a pension when i retire, preiod'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something like that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norwegian pensions are set to drop by about 1% per year, relative to wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'starting last year :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to get the maximum new pension you have to work until age 75'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we're further along the path than UK because they started "socialising" in the 1950s, we also had a huge American bank loan overhanging us from ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we now have situations where there are housing shortages, and buying housing is out of reach for mortal men, unless it's a shitty shoebox crammed in ontop of other shoeboxes, agenda 21 style'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government has to subsidise who tranches of society'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That sounds like a brilliant way to accelerate the demise of the middle class'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there is no middle class here anymore, it's fast evaporating'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'work till 75 -- more slave labour, so the rich may be richer'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle classes used to be the skilled people, the tradesmen'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now it's just beurocrats and management of questionable usefulness or ability'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the middle class is a historical anomaly anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the country is dying and there is nowhere in the world to escape to'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'G W Bush increased the hours per work week -- more slave labour -- so the rich may be richer'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Atlantis is nice at this time of year, I have heard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a strong middle class, a country is in serious trouble'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In which sectors do you see 'middle-class jobs' growing over the next 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Health-care, conceivably'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers aren't middle class anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're authority-controlled automotons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'education possibly, although I think at least in the US that particular bubble is about to peak'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'can't they be middle class authority-controlled automotons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no control over the syllabus, the teaching methods, or even the classroom etiquette and behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not paid sufficient to make middle class'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Malkar.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the experience teachers jumped ship years ago, only college grads and beurocrat wannabes left now'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'jumped ship to do what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anything, shop work'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe in the UK, but that's clearly not the case here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know a single teacher that "jumped ship" until they retired'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'In the U.S. they are still middle class.  I won't say about the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'School seems to be getting worse, more hours, more classes, more homework, more unbelievable nonsense in the books, more fluff, less freedom, less learning'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know my books were easy compared to what my parents dealt with, and current books are easier still, although also more full of nonsensical tasks'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes you wonder what's going on when you've got kids being suspended for pointing their fingers in the shape of a gun, for having a bubble machine, for refusing to wear an RFID tag'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an example of nonsensical tasks at school ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's CSCOPE'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another federal overreach of power'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Used to be that kids at school were afraid, I imagine teachers are also afraid'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'now, that's one more link chaining everyone to the system :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you know what you need to do :-) g'night'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know approximately how things should be, but I don't know that the school system can be fixed at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing needs to happen is abolish the federal education department and push that power down to the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then at least you can get some local action going on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I chaired a school board for seven years, and only saw the system getting worse - disruptive reforms countering the previous reform, pointless reporting demands and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that local level crap is not going to work '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the way of big government, tinada, it's wht we've had here too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the changes needed are so big, even the teachers in our little private school can't comprehend the scope of the wrongness '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Bless_America_(film)  the film only earned 231,319 at the Box Office'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hallowed are the ori.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'boner'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So many butt hurt people... Babies'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'some people just cant accept defeat lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'notice i was effectively debating 4 or 5 people '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'WINNING'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I don't even know why people keep going. Are their lives that boring?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i get a kick out of it when i smoke pot lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'As Charlie Sheen would say, Bi-Winning!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'arguing on the internet and winning. right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debating, and winning!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'debating. sure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, it's not that my life is that boring... I just enjoy a good intellectual discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i like brain exercise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm sure Lacri'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are they still going on the gossip chan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yeah, some of them are'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's 6am'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm at work. Ready to go home and spend some time with my "shawwwwtaaayy"  pfftttt '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my head hurts a little now lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'and I'm enjoying it. It's been a couple of days since I've had a good round of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is she one a dem bigg booty hoes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'You either need to get out more or log in more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I need to not be fighting illness, Sigma. Sunday was a spiky fever up as high as 103.7F at one point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'She's got a nice booty. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's go to the hospital type fever'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'That sucks. I can't stand intellectual talks. They annoy me. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'anything above 103.5 starts becoming dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if it had broken 104, I would have gone, or if I'd started throwing up'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm surprised you weren't hallucinating'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'nah, I was just zoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't hallucinate until I hit 105.5ish'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Only ever done that twice'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'who has a nice booty'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'done what twice?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'had my fever get so high I hallucinated'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sleep...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'My wifey'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'heh, yes...when you can, Quelz... If I'm running a spiky fever, though, I rarely manage to sleep for more than a couple of hours, or stay awake for more than that either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i had a fever like that once.. So i went to the gp and got something rammed up my rear.. They thought i was going to like die'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Quelz is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So.... How old are you guys?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I end up with high fevers somewhat often due to being on immunosuppressants for lupus. If it lasts more than 24h, goes over 104, or I'm losing fluids and can't replace them, then it's worth the ER trip. Otherwise...going out is likely to exhaust me and make the illness worse. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Sigma, I'm 38.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Sheesh. No wonder you guys are uptight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm 23.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so being 38 makes you uptight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No wonder you think you know everything. It'll take you a few years to get a wider worldview. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Being older does. HOw old are you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm 37'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I don't know everything. Never says I have. I just kid =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i didnt pay attention to what sigma said cause its horsepiss..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I'd disagree that being older makes you uptight, I've known plenty of young people that were uptight'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'And I'll hand it right back, Sigma.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'education brings wisdom, not age'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame Thomas Kinkade died, the movie he financed was pretty good...and michael shanks was in it...dr daniel jackson !'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Pffftt all of you must be oldies'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I've known some fairly educated people that were pretty ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'an open mind brings wisdom'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wisdom is brought about by experience, and paying attention to that experience'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'some people jsut go through life having experiences, but never learning from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Well I did drop out of high school...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sigma grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you want to call it introspection, self reflection, metacognition, I don't care, but not examining your life leads to ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Does that make me dumb?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'course, I'm not going to even claim that I haven't learned the hard way in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the start and end of the journey is not important.. But the cracks in the road are..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, sorry signma  :('
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just joking, it all depends on what you take out of life, at least in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'But! I got my GED, went to college to get my associates in Information Technology and doing better than my friens that actually graduated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, i've seen plenty of people mess up, and then pull their life together, just like I've seen plenty of people start off great, but never do anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm married, have a beautiful one year old boy, live on my own, pay my own bills. I would say I'm doing pretty good =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you should never compare yourself to others.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Ultimately, if you're happy with your life, who's to say you're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Exactly, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, unless you're life involves like genocide or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So Grimm, Are you saying you never compare yourself to other people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife and I lead a pretty simple life, but we're pretty happy, which is more than a lot of people can say'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If you're happy with your life, and it's not depriving anyone else of their rights, I don't think anyone can say you're wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'it complicates things..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Pfftt You are full of it. Everyone compares themselves to other people. Might be simple things but they still do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i take it like this.. Every choice you make is never wrong.. No matter how bad it is.. Aslong as you have the ability to learn from them..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'that can be debated.. Though my thinking wont really change'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, everyone compares themselves, but when you start seeing the grass as greener on the other side, that's when problems arise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'so...as long as it doesn't kill you/put you in a coma, you should be able to learn from it, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, we've all known people who are never happy with what they have, and I've never known someone like that who ultimately wasn't miserable'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'aye.. More or less'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Well, it all depends on how you look at it Razkin'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'it depends on what YOU want to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, Razkin...my grandmother would be a prime example of that. :/'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Alright fellas.. Off work.. Time to head home.. Nice chatting '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sigma grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later Sigma'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'im the miserable type but i wouldnt have it any other way'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'later yo'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's fine, it's just not for me'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like talking about things, but I'm not going to ever tell someone what to do with their life, or how to set their priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Described as a true sequel to James Cameron's film, the story of Aliens: Colonial Marines takes place after the events of the second film, Aliens. At PAX East 2012, Gearbox Software's Community Manager confirmed that the game is considered an official part of the Alien franchise's canon by 20th Century Fox Much of the main plot was written by Battlestar Galactica writers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'BSG was horridly scripted, the game: "Alien vs Predator" was badly coded as to options (half-circle radar, crappy savegame options), so this new game by "Fox" is not worth purchasing (except perhaps from a $5 discount bin)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(i waited years to be able to say that)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"BSG" --> bs-Galactica '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the game isnt by fox, it is by Gearbox.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that the bs-Galactica scriptwriters were involved is bad indication'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee Jim Garrow shockingly claims he was told by a top military veteran that the Obama administrations 'litmus test' for new military leaders is whether or not they will obey an order to fire on U.S. citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So obviously we should trust the following trusted chain of sources. Tigernuts -> Alleged person who allegedly spoke with Jim Garrow -> Jim Garrow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't, but you're one of those people who will "believe anything" provided you agree with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'said he who linked to a bullshit article about how obama MUST be a Muslim because of a ring he wore that had absolutely nothing to do with Islam.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given some of the army training manuals that have been released of late, it's risible'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't claim that, the article claimed a link, not that he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you love to misrepresent people and their opinions, i guess that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, where in my statement did I claim that you claimed that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama has a history of being a very controlling figure (not unlike, I guess, Tiger Woods).'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that you linked to a website that claimed something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't imply it's anything but speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you'll find the website claimed that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the irony of you claiming I love to misrepresent what people say just gets bigger and bigger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon me but that's exactly what you were doing'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone with half a brain will find that the website was using the Weasel Argument. "Is Obama a Muslim? Maybe! Just look at this evidence! We won't say it outright, though!".'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe X because he linked to a sight containing speculation!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except I never said or implied that either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then shut the fuck up entirely :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You argued that 'you won't, but you're one of those people who will "believe anything" provided you agree with it''
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i stand by that'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My rebuttal was "[This is rich coming from you, who once did this]'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But don't let that stop you from making shit up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm an open-minded fruit loop, you're a close minded hypocrite, glad we got that sorted out. Moving swiftly on'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If that's your definition of "Wants to see proof from unbiased sources before he'll swallow just about any conspiracy theory"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, then, I'd rather be closed-minded than a fruit loop.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove communism works'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't prove a negative, Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove god isn't real'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'theoretically it does. it has never been practiced tho'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'wait, how is "show a working example of this form of economy" asking you to prove a negative?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaaand Tigernuts' Hour of Hypocritical Strawmans has begun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'god isn't real because he told me so'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove totalitarianism is better than freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't expect a black and white answer in a debate containing shades of grey'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's the biggest strawman ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'containing twilight fanfic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you guys are so great together, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love those strawmen'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a negative, because there's never been a working example of this form of economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We often disagree on provable, immutable FACTS, not "shades of gray" debates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whether or not Obama is instructing his commanders to allegedly fire on civilians is a YES or NO question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not some kind of "Maybe!" debate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you can be bothered to provide any, well any, anything, or anything of note really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this leading to the usual "ah ha! You breathe air! Like HITLER! You must love totalitarianism! You're a nazi!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not the same thing as "X form of government vs. Y form of coverment".'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, you're confusing us with Chemosh, the "All Hitler, All the Time" go-to person of Debate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have anything interesting to say then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or topical'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or debate-worthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or newsworthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you? All you've done is provide a wild wacky claim with no sources.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an interesting comment from my point of view'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I do! With all due respect Mr Speaker, I must utterly reject Communism, as I am very much opposed to the eating of babies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then it wasn't about something pointless and inane like gay bum sex, so i guess it didn't interest you'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chia Pet Wars screams, "NO U!11!!" Feeling insulted, you feel an urge to retort!
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, as usual when it comes to your "interesting comments", it's highly incendiary, anti-Obama, highly disputable and based on very little to no verifiable facts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and before getting all huffy and offended, it -is- the only topic you ever do want to debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so for giggles, did any of the native tribes to the Americas (pre-European) practice tribal communism?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rarely speak about Hitler or Jews''
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, SOMEHOW, this is topical, valuable and/or worthy of discussion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you just made up the biggest lie ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i throw a pick of items out there that i find interesting, if you want to pick up on any, please do, if don't then don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody's making you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing on this chan ever meetsthose criteria'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seeing as how less than 25% of my time on this channel has been spent discussing anything to do with gay rights. But don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Are you including Meso America and South America in The Americas?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, 25% of your time is spent on gay marriage, 75% of your time is whinging at me'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should fuck. there's so much (sexual) tension between you two'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have every right to dispute your statements/claims/interesting comments. If you dislike me picking your arguments apart, you're free to ignore me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the last time I saw someone dump his "pick of items" all over the street, the local residents (and police) were no amused.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, Dagnir, he's a good example of why eugenics might be necessary after all'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he lives in sweden. swedes did eugenics'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explains his attitude, not much else'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unless you're talking about being gay'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you surely don't expect to dump crap at your local charity, for example, and expect them to like it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sure, no reason to exclude.  Just wondering if we go far enough back whether we might actually find a working example of communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'communism has never been practiced'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's an utopia'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a fanciful item: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_19/300-million-year-old-UFO-tooth-wheel-found-in-Russian-city-of-Vladivostok/'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if there were, I would strongly suspect it was on an extended-family level, not a country-wide level.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but there has never been a communist country'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pure communism.  Not a single state, country, or civilization in all the Earth's history has ever practiced a pure form of any socioeconomic concept.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that surely depends on whether you mean baby-eating communism or blood-drinking communism!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess there's never been a pure free market, or a pure democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly, it CAN work on an extended-family level. The issues arise when we have "Why should I work for Joe's benefit?"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, there hasn't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes it a pretty short debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you see, that's why you have a govt that adjusts the incentives... it's why my govt works a lot better than most...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you live in a city state, not a country'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'size matters, Sonshi.  Your government wouldn't work any better than the US if you had a US-sized community or economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most government systems fail because of the variance of demography, USA is just the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"live in" -> "come from"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, do you live in Singapore or was that someone else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's from there, currently schooling in US'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surely you aren't suggesting that the US could work better if it split into little states...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in other words, if it were run the way it's supposed to be run ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock that, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not now it wouldn't.  Far too much cultural integration would blur the lines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do note that countries around the 1-10m range are no better off on average...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's your mix of well run states, developing states, and basket cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has to do with responsiveness and representativeness of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 size rarely fits all'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'adding in the greater mobility provided by the modern world, there's really no such thing as a confederation of 50 Singapores here in the US and our average way of thinking identifies us as Americans rather than Missourians or Vermonties.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your culture has a large anti-intellectual faction, it doesn't matter how big or small the country is, it's going to be a major drag on the nation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's no way to talk about <insert other party here>'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there are basketcases, why would you be upset at cutting them loose?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe his mom got raped by a Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be interesting to see how a north US and south US fare...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be north versus south'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be rural versus metropolitan, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"inner states vs coastal states"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, rural areas are red and urban areas are blue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'east, west, and middle, most likely.  Perhaps even divided into 6.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california would sink without a trace'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'realistically speaking (as much as that can be said), if a split ever becomes possible anytime in the next century, the parties would not want their territories disconnected.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it already has.  It's like a giant cancerous pimple that popped and exploded its dirty cream all over the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace the word "possible" with "likely"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already possible, just not likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'General James Mattis, head of the United States Central Command is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that any particular group won't really homogenize across the coasts.  Western Liberals will think differently than the Eastern ones, and both of those will likely think still differently from the middle coasters in the midwest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd still prefer to remain in the same unit, most likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially for defence'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'another Benghazi victim? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expecting a chinese invasion soon then, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he refused to shoot at a US citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china is unlikely to invade the us anytime in the next few decades or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt anyone is likely to invade US, period'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not while it's citizens are armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no reason to invade what you already own, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Why would China invade us any time soon? Arent they making money off of us?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what they don't own yet, they probably made.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'US I mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reason why no one would attack the US as it is now is because 1. nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '2. more nukes'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'beat me to it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Tinada greets Galinthas warmly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get it on then, nuke away!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And I also thought China owned a good chunk of US National Debt, make no sense if they attacked us'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese can't stomach mass killing anymore, either.  One could even say they've been Americanized, in that respect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Attenborough said that humans are like a cancer on the face of the earth, and he's kinda right, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the future, if there was a way to reliably neutralise missiles, war would be come possible... but then the US would still be immune as long as it's this big'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That was a weird board meeting today. I had the property foundation board claiming they were not bound by the contract they signed to rent half of the building to the town council.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it split, however... things change...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, mis!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it won't split in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't like to say 'won't' but I consider the probability exceptionally low.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you a Baby Boomer, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china also tends to be unwilling to occupy lands owned by anyone with a different colour of skin... probably won't change soon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baby boomers have a shit ton of grievances to answer for'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their neighbours might be at risk in the future though... but not the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or are you just not counting the golden years when you're in diapers and no longer care about anything important?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for stringing up everyone over the age of 50 and torturing them until they apologise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember that abe's going to be saving that quote in his logs...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was kinda hoping he would'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, over the timeframe involved, it's likely to not survive a computer crash somewhere along the way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything shit that has happened in the Uk since WW2 we have the baby boomer generation to thank for'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm a bit younger than that, and I was counting my normal full lifespan in my estimation :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I still cry when I think about poor John.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my govt is trying yet again to boost our birth rate...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell your government to shut the fuck up'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do a conception day like russia :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want more retards, we've got plenty spare'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably nothing short of pointing a gun at their heads would work though, so the country's screwed in the long run...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think they aren't screwed, and that's the problem ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not screwed, they'll just get all the rich expats'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the only thing that will save the world in the long term is getting a hold of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to paraphrase a common response from working single women in my country - Kids? Lol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Dont forget about proper resource management'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but for any specific country if it's too far below replacement rates this leads to some serious demographic issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demographic issues are not justification for breeding to oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Trying to not stay too far below replacement != breeding to oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just get immigration instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is precisely that we are not-breeding into oblivion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure there are shit-tons of Chinese who would gladly move to Singapore'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'immigration usually brings in undereducated individuals not acclimatized to your culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Singapore doesn't have a culture by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've heard you bitching enough about immigrants to the uk :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, yes they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a person shortage'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are tons of chinese and indians who want to move... but the locals think they're smelly unwashed masses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there aren't enough smart people who want to move that we'd want to take...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's much better for a country to have slightly sub-replacement and gradually shrink than to just vanish and leave a bunch of aging people and a very small population to take care of them, plus by then nobody wants to immigrate due to the tax rates required to support all the elderly'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially given how so much of the upper classes in these countries are corrupt and at least mildly evil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people only move to the UK because of the welfare anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that what brought jexe? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I move to the UK, it will be because of the brawls.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think a fresh supply of men she hadn't raped yet brought jex'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's hard to imagine all of japan had been used up by then'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries which are wealthier and have more... benefits... tend to be better able to attract people, for better or worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's simplistic, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's true, on the other hand, some get driven away by other issues.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get a few more Saverins and you'll be fine :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pros minus the cons and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there any country in the world left to emigrate to that isn't shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course he'll be dead in 6 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, even a few saverins would be a drop in the bucket compared to just a year of national income...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is on the march again'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it never stopped'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it did'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shot up, then sank down, been stabalising for a number of months'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the talentless, most good countries wouldn't take them. For the talented, the doors are open in most places'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long term i guess it will track the devaluation of currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree Sonshi, there are no good countries anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the issue with the talented is that the doors are open in most places -- reduces the chances of them wanting to come and boost their economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's always possible to set the definition of "good" so high that it cannot be attained'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i set the definition of good in this context to be a free, libertarian country with lots of space and a temperate climate, and english speaking'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'narrows the list quite a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not good unless they all speak... VULCAN!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could manage vulcan'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under my definitions, free and libertarian would be a contradiction...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and authoritarian and libertarian wouldn't be?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would also be'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'freedom lies somewhere between the law of the jungle and the law of one man...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one man...and his wife, Jane, and his pet dog Shep and an ape named Abe...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Republican Charlie Rangel "Constitution is something DEms have to 'overcome'"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what an unusual comment'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Beyonce lip-sync'd at inauguration'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't she also wear her fake-butt pants, too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, but she's another human we could do without'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ex french-pm Sarkozy to move to London to avoid French socialist high tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Global warming to blame for colossal freezing snap across USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'hello?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 's'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: '.. lol yeah a lil transparent ..but .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'still no clann Twvst ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Bard perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not very artistic :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or at all really'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Boot then or was that autistic .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a little big for boot though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'T2? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Druid then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought they kicked you out after T1'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'lol T1R3 never clanned I dunno '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'tbh looking for a clann myself - reason I asked '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see, good luck'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'non PK clans ad alot to gameplay ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'personal gameplay *'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wouldn't know, I assume so though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'you can back out of a clan if it don't fit or is it 81 for life ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can leave and join somewhere else, although I think there is a fine and some outcast time as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'outcast ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'help outcast'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not clanned, still pkable, can't join another clan'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for some time'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'just did , been here for a year - is ingrained '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'so clanning up is serious then .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah i guess most take it seriously'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I would - I have a lot of frineds in a few clanns so I'm leaning toward one of them I guess just am a solo flier really - guess I have to talk to them ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yes and no...we'd hope you'd stay, but should you leave for another clan, it's a matter of clearing your outcast flag and apping a new one'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'TY Lacri ,y'all seem pretty reasonable ofer ther just have to trust myself not to let y'all down too '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'is food for thought TY'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'while I'm here , deb anything else ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'while Zade is not here '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'or that annoying Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably have to find someone else, semi-afking atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'emphasis on the afk'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anangel smirk
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the department of education and left-leaning teach profession suffering mass hysteria?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '!?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'No, they are enjoying it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'This week, a  South Philadelphia elementary student was searched in front of classmates and threatened with arrest after she mistakenly brought a paper gun to school.Earlier this month a 6-year-old boy was suspended from his elementary school in Maryland for making a gun gesture with his hand and saying pow.Days later another two 6-year-olds in Maryland were suspended for pointing their fingers into gun shapes while playing cops and robbers with each other.In Oklahoma, a five-year-old boy was also recently suspended for making a gun gesture with his hand. A 13-year-old Middle School seventh grade student in Pennsylvania was also suspended for the same hand gesture.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course the five year old called a terrorist and suspended for 2 days for firing bubbles out of a hello kitty pink bubble gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that looks like hysteria to me....'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'lol WTF'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Krache, quite'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I should have been expelled for my crimes as a child >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, nearly 800 european kids have developed narcolpesy as a result of having a vaccine for the h1n1 swine flue'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I wasn't allowed to have bubble gum in school, much less a bubble gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubble-mixture, making soap bubbles arnica, not bubble gum'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Your reading teachers failed you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Arnica for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "800 european kids HAVE developed narcolepsy" you mean "800 european kids MAY have developed narcolepsy".'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubble gum wasn't invented in the UK until 2004'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But never let yet unproven theories prevent you from throwing out talking points.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't european kids usually develop narcoleptic tendencies at school?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't "may have" developed narcolepsy, they DID develop narcolepsy'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for which there is growing evidence of a link to the GSK swine flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, it looks like fucking PC rules that were written up by school boards that insist ANY gun of any sort, even gestures, is violent and must be punished with suspension, the same as fighting and knives and anything else. it's not the left writing them, it's paranoid school boards that are looking to prevent more shootings, and not allowing any leeway for kids just playing because the boards are afraid of lawsuits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Are you crazy? Bubble gum was invented in Soviet Russia, not UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, arnica, 2004, Mr John Fred Bubble'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They developed narcolepsy, but there's not yet definite proof that it was due to H1N1 vaccination.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-narcolepsy-vaccine-pandemrix-idUSBRE90L07H20130122'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no definitive proof you're alive, yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'bubble gum existed a hell of a long time before 2004, I remember chewing it in the late 1970s'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your own link says they're not sure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's actually far higher evidence for the link between the vaccine and narcolepsy than there is for the effectiveness of the vaccine at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'tech Hanslanda? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the incidence of narcolepsy was between 7 and 13 times higher in children who had the vaccination than in the unvaccinated control group'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue is that loads of modern vaccinations have relatively rare, but extremely serious side effects. Rather than investigate them, they just hush them up and push the vaccines anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Hilary is playing possom on the hill'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't really like Rand Paul much, but he's at least doing his job here: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/23/rand-paul-to-hillary-clinton-if-i-were-president-i-would-have-relieved-you-of-your-post-video/'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl: Democrat Congressman Elot Engel "Barack Obama was not responsible for the Benghazi attack any more than George W Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks"'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chia Pet Wars snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry Mr Engel, but since Bush was at the very least complicit and partly responsible for 9/11, you're argued yourself into a corner'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'seems reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tiger Woods admits leaving California because of high tax rate. Phil Mickelson says he may also quite california for the same reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am sure Putin will hug them, too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Woods moved to Florida'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mickelson will probably go to Florida or Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loads of Californians invaded Texas, it's called "The Exodus" by texans'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Good riddance. And may the South rise (and fall) again!'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good riddance? what an absurd position to hold'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This time we will free their women.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There was recently a billboard ad placed in New York suggesting any gun owners who want a better standard of living and freedom liberty should move to Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'placed by some Texas development board'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Screw that go to Minnesota if you love h'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'guns***'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because what millionaires need is to keep more of their millions after taxes. Because you REALLY need to be able to afford to support TWELVE generations instead of, say, 10.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minnesota's fucking cold though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Beautiful in the summer'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And tons of stuff to do in the cold'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ex French President Sarkozy is moving from France to UK to avoid France's punitive tax code since some loopy socialist got in'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not terribly surprising, there was a huge exodus of businesses, celebrities and others from the UK in the 1970s when the left wing labour party brought in punitive income tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The loopy guy who just strafed Mali insurgents?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they went from having income from them to h aving nothing from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tosk !'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22l1sf5JZD0'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is an awesome video'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cat playing a fiddle of the song by rick astley .?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, A Por-gun control meeting held by New Trier Democrats in Gleview, Chicago'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pro*'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'New Trier? lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'What's New Trier got to do with real life?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no ide'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a grass roots political group not dissimilar to the one Obama once belonged to, i'm guessing'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or similar to the tea party in a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US current civilian federal workforce is very similar in size to the entire population of the USA in 1776'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Dimon claims that the public don't need to know how banking works, it's complex and they take a small fee each time and that's all you need to know'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats everys ones favorite pistol?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'depends on what I'm shooting for'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'self defense'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'just for target practice, a .22 is nice...but I'm partial to the Sig P226 for self defense--one of the few that fits my small hands well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sigs are pretty damn expensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'they also don't have the issues with jamming that cheaper ones do'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if I'm having to use it for self-defense, the LAST thing I want is a jam or misfire'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'like most other physical products, you get what you pay for'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '-g'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'looks like the fbi no longer uses sig and have moved to glocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they are half the price'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'most of them have moved to Glock due to price, and because they're trying to standardize on one model for parts and one caliber for ammunition, so that any agent can use any other agent's ammo'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I have a couple of friends who work for ICE, and it's a federal push across the LE community'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( 7.62 NATO rounds )
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'One of mine is fine with the Glock, the other carries his personal Sig as his sidearm with 3 mags, and the Glock as his backup weapon, with 2.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'my bro likes the xdm with that grip safty ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what do you think of beretta px4'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it kills'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'guns dont kill anaristos ...people do'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, you are right. and guns make killing harder so they are not a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am wondering, though, if there were no guns how hard would it have been for those people to commit the Columbine or Aurora murders?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'For the ones that spent months planning it?  I think they would've got their hands on some still'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'It's like teens having sex, if they want to, they'll find a way...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'would they have killed those people as swiftly? What would have been the chances of stopping them after the first murder if they were not armed with guns? I mean, I am not going to jump a guy holding a glock. I might if he's holding a knife.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos do you mean literally no guns on planet earth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'there's an old saying in the SCA "When swords are outlawed, only outlaws will have swords"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Lacrimosa. If one wants to kill one will find a way. But guns making killing very easy. You don't even have to show yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'So are we doing a thought experiment that guns don't exist or that guns are outlawed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are being purposely obtuse, I see :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are trying to say that guns don't make killing easy, I am sure you are not that naive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you didnt specify Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'outlawing guns would only create an environment where more gun crimes happen, because the general public has no way of defending themselves against gun violence. The crime rates in states that have approved concealed carry laws have gone down within a year or two.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings have actually gone down as well. Despite the handfull of them last year. They are actually a rare occurence. I don't think the liberal knee jerk reaction to push gun regulations is neccessary or constitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It isnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'for once, I actually agree with you, Snooky. *marks calendar*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if more people were armed it would be much harder to have sustained shooting sprees'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And with the latest Newtown shooting, new information came out that the shooter actually may not have had the AR-15 on him after all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is why most of these shootings happen in no carry zones'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not even worth arguing over. First of all, the public has no way to defend themselves against gun violence now. The only thing that results from the public having guns is that more people are in danger of being killed. You think that there is some distinction between a criminal and a member of the general public, but there isn't. The motivation behind having a gun is the same, to kill the other guy. There are cases when one has to defend oneself,  true. But there is no more trust in the judgment of a "good guy" as there is on the judgment of a "bad guy". If they perceive that they need to use a gun they will. If someone dies because of the gun, the only difference might be that the "good  guy" might say "oops, my bad". That won't help the corpse at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Places where the gun laws are less restricted have low gun-related crime because the criminal doesnt know who has a gun to shoot back'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so tell me, in Japan it is against the law to have guns, so according to you there should be yearly massacres there since the general public is not packing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Never said that,'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, the right to bear arms is constitutionally granted here. They have the option, but most don't exercise it because carry permits were restricted...so in practice, the majority of non-law-enforcement people carrying were carrying illegaly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, and you can't, because the number of death by guns in Japan is almost negligible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Japan, different laws different culture different history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't warp the constitution. The right to bear arms was grated so that the citizens could defend themselves against the government militia. It wasn't granted so you could shoot down deer with AK47s'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'You have to look at the cultures as well--Japanese culture places a much higher value on honor and respect than American culture has grown into. Even Japan has gun violence, though--and it's their criminals who don't care about the gun ban that have the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Switzerland, every one of military age has a rifle in his/her home, in case the nation needs defending. They don't hunt with the rifle, they don't rob liquor stores with rifles, they simply don't use them. In the US, you want to invoke the right to shoot someone. The is not the right granted by 2USAmend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You have the right to defend yourself...what is wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, even against the government if necessary. It does not limit that to only against the government. And frankly, I wouldn't shoot a deer with an assault rifle--I only hunt for food.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Sure, that is true about Japan, as well as anywhere that has a criminal element. Part of being a criminal is that you must not respect the law. But in the US, there is no formalized element of society that carries guns and uses them criminally. Anyone here with a gun is a potential criminal. Including children.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If I have a trespasser on my property I ought to be able to shoot them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'An assault rifle would waste too much meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I disagree Ana,'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Coming from the Minnesota Northwoods around 80% of the population carries openly, and there is very little gun related crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, you should be able to shoot a trespasser, so the question is how can you tell there is as trespasser. You shoot your neighbor because his dog wandered into your yard at 3AM and he was trying to get him. You panic and kill him. "oops my bad"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It's highly respected up there because we all like to hunt and respect our weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '.223 are a really "small" round for hunting'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, what about gangs and the Mafia? They DO still use them...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are a few state you cant even use a 223 for hunting'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Doesn't Mexico have harsh gun laws?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '.243 is about the smallest caliber to use for hunting and alot of game you want bigger than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't get carjacked by the Mafia. And gangs are alive and well because of all the guns that they have available. Guns they have available because of the ease with which anyone can get one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, I don't care about someone in my yard. If he comes into my home, though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and depending on rage you might use quite power ful rounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'A lot of thugs use knives and other weapons as well...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'What's Russia's current stance on guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would never want to defend my self with a knife'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'too up close and bloody'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Last I knew they weren't easy to get there either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Gang Members and criminals in general are going to be just that, having a gun doesn't change that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Exactly, Krache.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The only thing that anti-gun laws do is tie the hands of the people who actually respect the law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also makes it easier for future freedoms to be revoked without a way to defend those rights'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Here is the thing, an unarmed person has a better chance to survive against an armed opponent who is not bent on killing anyway. An armed opponent who sees a gun is going to shoot, 9 out of 10 times. If you think that having a gun is going to save you from getting shot, you are dreaming. The only way you can guarantee your safety is if you preemptively shoot anyone whom you perceive as a threat. A lot of "oops my bad" to follow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Fair enough, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'depends the country anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Elchanan's point is the most important here for the 2nd Ammend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are talking about the country where people are are arguing they should arm themselves to the teeth with AK47s'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and alot of people carrying probably realise that anariso and if they are being robbed at gun point they will not draw'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh that one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well been in countrys with 0 gun tolerance'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you sense that someone is about to rob you, having a gun is an advantage. But the problem is that if you are carrying a gun for defense you are going going to be in an altered state of mind, your judgment is not going to be sound enough to do preemptive work..'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'bad people just do what they want and the laws help them...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are going to end up shooting the wrong person at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back in my country if a robber claims to have a gun, he'd get laughed at...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a person who would not have been shot had you not had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Most people aren't worrying about arming themselves with assault rifles, Anaristos. I have hunting rifles, and a handgun, and then I have an airsoft gun which IS an automatic...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just because you are carrying does not mean you need to shoot however if the criminal as allready showed that they are going to shoot people then your able to attemt a defence of yourself and those around you'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Eh, better to be tried by 12 and not carried by 6'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa grins evilly at Aldeas.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos, your judgment ability is not everyone's. You use a lot of blanket statements that are outright false. You just said that any law abiding gun owner is going to shoot the wrong person.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'At least once. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are guaranteeing then that an armed public will not result in shootings where the victim was innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i just think they been talking about this for to long'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, even an armed military results in shootings of innocents occasionally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Accidents happen, and they don't happen as often as you are implying they are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'more than occasionally'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Far more people die from Smoking or Drunk Driving than accidental gun deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'as a country dont let the goverment take off the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if your position is: ok, once in a while the wrong  person will get shot, that's the cost of doing business, then you are as bad as the criminals as far as I am concerned. There is no way I can feel safe with either you or them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would hope most people carrying would analize the situation enough to see who is the criminal and who might be defending'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny you should bring up drunk driving.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Worst argument for gun control. Actually I'm not sure what Anaristos' stance is. Are you for an outright gun ban or just a certain amount of gun control laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"most" is no guarantee, when one mistake can cost a life.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'That depends on that particular military's rules of engagement, or the punishment for breaking those rules... some armies have far higher rates of non-combatant injuries than others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law tries its darnest to prevent drunk driving, by institution rigid age limits, public intoxication limits, drunk driving limits, TESTS and BACKGROUND CHECKS for issuing driver's licenses and car rentals and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'like in mali now lacrimosa?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet the NRA is very much against universal background checks for gun ownership.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The first SANE thing the U.S. can do is institute universal federal background checks for gun sales.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's because that would slow down the proliferation of weapons. They must be on the payroll of the gun manufacturers who incidentally has taken "no sides" on the issue. They don't need to, they have the NRA doing  the grunt work for them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does not need to be ana '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I think background checks are necessary. I think you should have to qualify with your weapons each year the same way law enforcement does.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whaddya mean "must"? They ARE. It's no secret.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Many states in the US already require extensive background checks, in IL it takes several months to get a VOIP card that allows you to ever hold a gun in a store'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I also think the 2nd sane thing the U.S. can do is institute a test before issuing a weapon's license.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not that the NRA speaks my mind. But i was under the impression that the NRA wanted better backround checks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'All these people who have done mass shootings didn't have a record. A background check wouldnt of caught them.  Dont get me wrong background checks are needed but its not a panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You need to pass a written and a practical test first, like, you know, when applying for a driver's license.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Background checks also include mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There IS a test, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'see thats overly invasive and unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many of "those people"? Recorded mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's a good excuse. Let's not  do a psych eval on gun purchasers, that will ruin the surprise later on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Aldeas, Adam Lanza failed multiple backround checks before stealing his mother's guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'so every medical provider needs to provide information on a constant basis of clients'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because if we couldn't stop Adam Lanza, let's not try at all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Well, I stand corrected Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What test, Lacrimosa? I haven't heard of any universal test.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, had his mother not had a gun he might have had some difficulty getting one. But hey, it was like god was on his side, mom cam through.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'came*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Nobody said that sensational Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's where my 3rd step of sane gun control comes in: Ban high-capacity magazine weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody needs to be able to shoot off multiple rounds a seconds in order to defend themselves (unless it's against an army, but let's leave the gun nuts' fantasy of fighting against the U.S. government out of this) or to hunt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'At least here, there's a written test on the carry laws, though there's no qualification.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'NO ban on high capacity mags... only takes a second to remove mags'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, since  anyone can have a driver's license whether they can drive or not, I guess that gun background checks should be as rigorous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'ban high capacity magazines? Or weapons that typically hold larger magazines'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay Yuna, how do you go about getting all the high capacity mags that people allready have?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ban the sale of ammunition'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'peopel can load thier own ana'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then it doesn't matter what they have.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Mags, weapons, ammunition. 2) If you grandfather in the ones already in existence, at least it will protect future generations. Let's do SOMETHING instead of NOTHING.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, people can make their own meth, too. That's illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because we'll never be able to stop people from going on rampages. BUT, we're able to limit the scope of the damage they can inflict.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Making your own friggin' gun is far more difficult than making your own meth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'not a zip gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can limit the number of people who go on rampages, you force them to attack with clubs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '2nd amentment protect right to form organized militias'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'because thats what we need, to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Banning them isn't the answer. I believe there's already a restriction on how many rounds you can buy at a time'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2nd amendment also says that people have a right to form REGULATED militias.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I'm suggesting are sane REGULATIONS.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and a militia would need at least small weapons comperable to what a military force would have'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that's not what the 2USAmend says. It only gives the citizen the right to defend himself against a government who uses the armed forces against him. Read the text.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not what the 2nd amendment says at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who's rewriting the constitution now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it does not give the right to the citizen to hunt, it doesn't give the citizen the right to hold up liquor stores, it only grants the right to defend himself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'if you want to see something terrifying go to a gun show.  There were cops at front door collecting rounds from holstered weapons in a fish bowl and soon as you got inside a dude was selling ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying the U.S. populace should be allowed to own nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what's fucktarded about U.S. gunshows? Depending on the state, you can buy a gun at a gunshow with no background check.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Supreme Court has reaffirmed that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to possess guns in the home for self defense. They Justices also stated that this right is not unlimited  elected officials may enact common sense gun laws to protect communities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'well its the loophole they're selling as private citizens'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None of the laws we've proposed infringe on their right to bera arms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the regulated does not refer to "regulations"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law doesn't say they should be allowed to bear ANY kind of arms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension? In what alternate universe doesn't the word "regulated" entail regulatIONS?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, why aren't you arguing the U.S. populace's right to own rocket launchers, nukes, warships and bazookas?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, clearly, that's what the U.S: constitution says.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously, the NRA resents the fact that the States, counties and cities have the right to curtail the possession and use of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder how the idiots who run the NRA can sleep at night, on their piles of money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"None of those kids would've died if we'd just armed every single grown-up on campus".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much their argument.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, I wouldn't mind the possession of guns so much if I could understand why should my neighbor posses a weapon that when discharged, for whatever reason, the bullet can come into my house and kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Frankly, they DO have that right according to the constitution...however, most of us have enough sense to restrict the acting definition of "arms" to things you can carry. No citizen needs a tank, or a warplane, or a rocket launcher. I've seen people who own bazookas and .50-cals, but that's over the top for most of us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the Constitution may or may not say so if we rewrite it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well first you have to realize that when the constitution was written nuclea weapons rocket launchers and the like did not exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wish the U.S. wasn't run by lobbyists and fucktards. You could always just "repeal" the 2nd amendment or amend it by adding another amendment. But that'd require the states to not be idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So if government and the rich have armed guard's at thier childrens school, tell me why that idea is not feasable in some form in the rest of our schools? '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'second id you want to own a cannon i belive there is nothing stopping you from doing so'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody said it's not feasible. But how are you going to fund it? How are you going to ensure they're trained, capable and not idiots? The larger the number needed, the harder it'll be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, they are DEAD WRONG. Mass shootings have FAILED to have been stopped by armed guards are MULTIPLE schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'might need a licence but yea'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Because whether your neighbor does or not, the gang member on your street does. There have been cases where kids playing in their living room have gotten shot through the wall when there was a drive-by outside their house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, isn't that nice. My neighbor has a cannon. I am glad I live next to him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, armed guards won't stop it at all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the point of the matter is that the NRA is arguing that the ONLY way to stop mass shootings and/or limit the scope of their damage is through armed guards stationed at every single school, not gun legislation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Blanket statement Yuna, that is false.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is an outright lie.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Armed guards are too visible. You know they're carrying, you take them out first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's a blank statement that is false, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, you are happy with the fact that the only purpose of a gun is to kill. Please, don't be my neighbor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm waiting.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't want the last thing I ever hear is you saying to me "opps, my bad"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That armed people cannot stop shootings AT ALL, false. You can't just base your argument of of those few cases.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the FUCK did I say that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Concealed carry is where the chance to stop massacres happens, not visibly armed people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, armed guards won't stop it at all!''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That FOLLOWED "There have been cases where they failed".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the strictest sense of the world, armed guards at every single school WON'T stop mass shootings from happening. Because it WON'T.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I missed that, my bad yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no but armed people would stand a better chance at defending the country if our liberty were ever at risk of being taken a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that if Columbine had armed guards there would not have been any killings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There's a difference in phrasing, Yuna. "won't stop it at all" is not the same as "won't stop it all"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Columbine HAD at least one armed guard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So did one of the schools where there was a mass shooting this past week.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sorry, Elchanan. So while we armed citizens do all the defending. What will the armed forces be doing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings are rare as it is Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So did Virginia Tech (I think). And plenty of other places where there were mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, I'm saying if some of the teachers had concealed carry permits, there probably would have been fewer casualties.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aha, Lacrimosa. The operative phrase is "fewer casualties", you cannot prevent the attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, of course, the gun men were just walking around shooting randomly and killing anyone they saw. The teachers would have to be highly trained.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im sorry anaristo but 300 million armed people will be alot harder to get through than our military'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'even by our standards in the us, yes they are rare. No matter how frequent liberals want them to be to further their agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, Anaristos, but you can NEVER prevent the attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are joking Elchanan, that is funny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not to mention that what happens if the threat is internal'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And as Anaristos says: The NRA is still LYING since that wouldn't PREVENT mass shootings at all. And it still wouldn't be the ONLY way to get the same results.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the flying FUCK are there 300 million armed people in the U.S:+'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When there are only 315 million people in the U.S. to begin with?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much every single person over the age of... what, 13?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are  saying that a professional armed forces can not do as well as you in defending the country. So why are 3E13 USD being spent on them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I see you're a stooge of the Gun Lobby. And also one of those idiots who dreams of the day when they can join the Insurgency and fight against the U.S. government for glory. Or just another George Zimmerman waiting to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'over stated the number armed of course just to make a point'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'History has taught us that there is strength in numbers. What is the size of the US military compared to 300mil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what if its the professional armed forces that need to be defended agains'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'In the case of a mass shooting, all you can do is respond when it does happen--drop them like the murdering dogs they've already shown themselves to be, double-tap to center mass and the head. That means someone around there has to have a weapon on them, and the gunman can't know they carry or he'll go after them first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US population is to apathetic to rise against the government, most of those in the bushes with militias could be said to be certifiable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What point? That you love guns more than you love people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'besides any forgien threat would most likely go after the professional military first'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with foreign threats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is right, Lacrimosa. And mass shootings would not happen if people didn't have guns, obviously people having gun can't prevent them and, in fact, it widens the pool from where the mass shooters can emerge.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's about arming the populace in case they need/want to rise up against the U.S. government. And the sad thing is that many (most?) of the most ardent gun nuts in the U.S. today are dreaming of just such a scenario.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does not specify the threat it talkes about security of a free state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's why they want as much access to as many kinds of guns as possible: So they'll be able to fight against the U.S. government when the Day of Insurgency comes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats a pretty low argument Yuna, that's implying that those who want to protect the 2nd ammendment are all less sensitive to the loss of human life then yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'They'd get them from somewhere anyway, Anaristos. Ever seen kids who want to drink, smoke, or have sex? The fact that they can't buy alcohol or tobacco or condoms under a certain age doesn't mean a damn thing, they'll find a way to get them anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The amendment doesn't state so, but the history behind it does.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm is there really an age limit on condoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's not what I said at all, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said some some (most?) of the MOST ARDENT gun  NUTS.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'some places, Elchanan, you can't buy them if you're under the age of consent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you calling most of those who want to protect the 2nd amendment "some of the MOST ARDENT gun NUTS"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't believe that, Lacrimosa. Who would sell them the weapons?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Greedy bastards?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we'll get to that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There's already a black market for them, has been since they started restricting them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also the NRA doesn't represent ALL gun owners. They give us a bad name in the media. They really only represent its own members.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "I'm talking about specific people" are you not getting, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not once have I claimed that all gun owners are this and that. Or even most of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay noted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You want to own firearms that can be logically argued to be necessary for the purposes of self-defense? I'll never be able to talk anyone in a position of power in the U.S. into banning those, I won't even touch upon them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, I'll never be an NRA member. Still, the liberal backlash against gun owners and their desire to ban all guns smacks of pure irrational fear, not logic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep your handguns or whatever. You want to own assault rifles and high-capacity firearms? Nope. We need to start regulating that shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So because there are some ardent gun nuts...all citizens should have their rights infringed upon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please point towards any serious movement AT ALL at the moment to ban ALL guns, Lacrimosa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. constitution does NOT ensure the right of the populace to own ANY kind of arms. Also, you are ALREADY having those "rights" infringed upon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'give some one an inch and theyll take a mile ....'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see people being issued rocket launcher licenses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There have been too many people calling for it...thankfully their leadership have cooler heads and the ability to see that such a proposal would bring this country to the brink of civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i do see yuna is people being able to buy model rocket engines with no license '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You could argue that even a handgun is not suitable for self defense of your home in some cases. A woman shot an intruder in the face like 4 times and the chest twice with a 6 shot revolver. It barely stopped him, if she had missed a few times it may not have been enough. Our semi auto rifles are fine and should remain legal along with our magazines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can also buy black powder'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK do model rocket engines have to do wit anything?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'You need to be over a certain age, I think, but that's it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you want to start regulating that? Be my guest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Model rocket engines can be used to propel small rockets, Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Full auto assult rifles are also heavily regulated as well. Almost impossible to own'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fertilzer should be regulated too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they have a charge at the end that blows out the paracute in most cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fertilizer IS regulated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'It is, anymore, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they have a charge at the end that blows out the paracute in most casesdebate that will ignite a payload'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wanna know why the U.S. only regulates shit AFTER someone's misused them. Oklahoma bombings (or whichever bombings it was)? Quickly, start regulating shit which can be used to make home-made bombs! Mass shootings in schools? Quickly, start trying to regulate certain types of firearms. 9/11? All of a sudden, we need to make it harder to hijack planes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I want about a dozen shots possible in my pistol magazine, enough to stop two intruders.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'knowledge can be the biggest danger but most people do tend to use knowledge in a responsible manort'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's never "Let's try to think of ways in which these things can be misused and regulate them so people won't be able to misuse them!".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't forget lawn darts Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well it should be obvious that if some one buys that much fertilizer that should need some sort of business license '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its commercial quantities'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I just like to buy in bulk to save money :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't even get me started on overzealous regulation. Banning Kinder Eggs and imposing a 2500 dollar fine on importing them? Really?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is there a Candy Lobby paying the politicians to ban Kinder Eggs?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, they DO try to think of those things...and have regulations on many chemicals that can be used to make bombs and such. There's the habit of human ingenuity though...and someone will always find a loophole you haven't blocked already.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Willy Wonka maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'where's that, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fucking United States of America, Lacrimosa!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A mother recently drove across the Canadian-U.S. border with her son. A random search yielded ONE Kinder Egg. She was let go with a warning, but warned that she could've been fined 2500 dollars for the CRIME of importing Kinder Eggs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '50lb bag of fertilizer im pretty sure you dont need a license to buy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'hadn't heard of that one--and it's because of the choking hazard'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Banning private ownership of candy? Insane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what else presents choking hazards for kids? 100000000 varieties of toys found in the U.S:'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's LEGOs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'And they're all labeled as not suitable for kids under a certain age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why can't you do that with Kinder Eggs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: '"Kinder Eggs are sold all over the world excluding the United States, because of the choking hazard. The 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act contains a section[full citation needed] highlighting that a confectionery product with a non-nutritive object, partially or totally imbedded within it, cannot be sold within the United States, unless the FDA issues a regulation that the non-nutritive object has functional value. No such regulation has been issued"  source:Wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'because they're covered under that law, which doesn't apply to toys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should ban people from buying planes yall'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law is bad it should feel bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'including model Jets'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'you can't have someone make you a candy shell that holds your engagement ring for a surprise proposal to your girlfriend, either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It also doesn't explain why a private citizen cannot bring a Kinder Egg or two into the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no more acid for swimming pools'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fining people for bringing in a SINGLE Kinder Egg for PRIVATE USE? Insane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'time for me to google kinder eggs'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not draino'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nor a bunch of solvents'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'lots of them are restricted already, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like what'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All of the things you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't disagree that the FDA needs a whole revamp, Yuna--a lot of its regulations are stupid, both on food and the pharmaceutical industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name some'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was jsut giving categorys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'solvents and fertilizer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, pilot licenses. Possibly plane ownership, but I'm just guessing there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But never let facts stand in the way of your rambling.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name a solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a very broad and STUPID question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'alcohol'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name one that is banned'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The stronger solvents like benzene and xylene are regulated, fertilizers are limited quantities unless you have a farm and can prove secure storage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'denatured alch and be bought very easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'but that's a WEAK solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'as is acetone'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'acetone regulated since when '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'acetone isn't. It's a weak solvent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By that logic, let's ban water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'welders use xylene'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that shit is a solvent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'the strong solvents are regulated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'acetone is a lovely solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yes, but as solvents go, it's fairly weak'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What exactly is your point? We're already regulating all of thsi shit, thus we should also regulate guns more?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why, I agree!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and is chloroform weak'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what alternate universe is chloroform a solvent?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fact that you put it on newspaper and whatch the letters melt away'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So does water. What's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Chloroform can be misused easily, though, and so it's been regulated for a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what Lacrimosa said.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you have an actual point, Elchanan, or are you just trying to make the opposition's (i.e. "my" side's) case for them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the ingredients for chloroform are easy to obtain'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Formaldehyde used to be used as a disinfectant, but people found ways to abuse that, too, so they regulated it. And it fell into disuse when better disinfectants with lower toxicity were discovered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bezene can be done too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know, let's regulate carbon dioxide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Someone will always find a way around whatever current regulatory system is in place, usually by finding something not regulated that can be used in a similar way or by manufacturing the regulated product clandestinely. No one ever expected a hijacked jet to be used to attack, so 9/11 wasn't really preventable. However, they still had detained one of the hijackers before it happened--just not all of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, clearly, Elchadan won't be happy 'til we regulate the sale, use and availability of ANY substance that can be used to render people unconscious. Or something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( work of fiction )
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And unless we regulate EVERYTHING that can be misused first, we cannot regulate gun sales!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we don't know who the hijackers were. They are all dead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, it's difficult to regulate something naturally occurring.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we have regulated guns!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You sould regulate gun sales MORE.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Elchanan, do you oppose mandatory universal federal background checks with firearms sales?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Gun sales ARE regulated to some extent, but there are still loopholes that need to be closed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I can buy a fully auto 50 cal can i'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Simple question, yes or no'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Elchanan, do you oppose mandatory universal federal background checks with firearms sales?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I do support at most universial backround checks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"At most":'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The correct, sane, answer is AT LEAST. And this is where I'm pretty much done with you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the question was not posed to you, Snooky. It was posed to Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know, I was just throwing that in.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats that even supposed to mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is English not your native language, Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you support or oppose mandatory federal background checks with the sales of firearms? Let me translate that into grade 2 English.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what are they checking to make sure im not a convicted felon'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I do think we could use Universal backround checks, as much as possible. But further regulations on the types of guns we can own is not neccessary. The line for that has allready been drawn.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you wanna buy a gun, should government do tests on your record to see if you're insane or a crimina lfirst? Yes or no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or to make sure i have no parking tickets'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop being willfully obtuse.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so i jot this j walking ticket once'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know very well what they check for. Yes or no.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Universal background checks are a part of a balanced approach, along with ammunition purchase limits, and restrictions on purchase of certain classes of weapons to law enforcement and military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if my neighbor gets a bazooka, more power to him. Maybe he could install a howitzer in the backyard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's been 10 minutes and you have yet to answer this very simple question. I suspect I know why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why limit ammo ... im sure theres people out there who will go to a range and fire 500 rounds in a weekend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he secretly hopes that someday he will shoot someone dead, that's why he won't give up his guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos, if such things were even legal to own. You are the one that has a problem with said neighbor and you would be the one that has to move. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't believe that mental illness should be an automatic red flag, though. Schizophrenia and paranoia, sure, but with 1 in 3 people suffering from depression at some point in their lives, that seems...extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's not why. I suspect that's true as well, but it's not why he won't answer the question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Elchanan, I'm talking about the people who stockpile 10k rounds of a single type.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I suspect it's because he DOESN'T support universal federal background checks and even HE knows that's a STUPID thing not to support and even he is too ashamed of it to stand up for his convictions on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'criminals should not be able to buy guns mental health is subjective to some extent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I can fire off 300 rounds of pistol ammo in a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love the way you refine it, Lacrimosa. So you think that some person with chronic depression should own a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure depression isn't classified as a mental illness and that not everyone who's ever been depressed are automatically disqualified from owning a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but i do belive that people can reform from criminal life'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Depression is subjective Anaristos. Depression does not equal clinically insane'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so it is schizophrenia'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, chronic depression is a different issue than having a history of depression at some period in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'schizophrenics are not clinically insane either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you support or oppose mandatory federal background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but they're mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"insane" is not a clinical word'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and should be able to get thier rights reinstated and last time i check that ability was given to the attorney general who delegated it to the ATF and who does not fund the apilication process curently'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so are people with chronic depresssion'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, pretty sure "insane" isn't a clinical term AND that being schizo is one of the TOP reasons as to why you'd lose your right to own a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It does qualify as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does chronic depression'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'psychotic illness should be a bar'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaand Elchanan is still refusing to answer the very simple question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'only the most severe depression is psychotic'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what states dont have any sort of background check'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'and Yuna, yes, depression has a bunch of codes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_Codes#Depressive_disorders'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that a "normally" depressed person has good judgment as to whom to shoot. That if I run into an armed chronically depressed person I should feel safe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'From a statistic standpoint. MOST people don't go on mass shooting sprees. Including whatever depressed or schitzo's may have guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What exactly is that supposed to be in response to, Lacrimosa? When did I claim they didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it really does not matter  '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would pass the damn think yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: '[24 Jan 04:21:30] (Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure depression isn't classified as a mental illness and that not everyone who's ever been depressed are automatically disqualified from owning a gun.''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'i hope that most schizos don't gain access to guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the FUCK cares about YOU, Elchanan? The world doesn't revolve around you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'depression certainly is classified as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'depression certainly is a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC, Lacrimosa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, that's good, statistics. So am the 1 in 10000 thousand who gets shot, for instance, I should feel ok, because it was within the standard deviation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question, Elchanan. Should there be mandatory federal background checks for the sales of each firearm?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if a criminal really wanted a gun they could still get it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes or No?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there you have it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If anyone really wanted a gun, they could still get it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a check that says you can buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'therefore make guns freely available?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just invalidated everything you have to say on the matter. Not that you've added ANY coherent or logical arguments insofar!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but no check that tells registers every time i buy one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Late to the party, but background checks don't show medical history, and wouldn't show if you had a mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats a shitty gotcha Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or even weather i actually bought one or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, you are guaranteeing that none of the "good guy" citizens that you will allow to arm won't turn criminial. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the fuck not? What's to prevent you from making yourself ineligible from owning a firearm and then going back to the same dealer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they can't check if you're eligible again, there's no way for them to know you're ineligible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Wouldn't hippa screw with the possibility of reporting mental illness for background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a gotcha at all. If you don't support universal background checks, you have no credibility. At all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'you could just be a states rights kind of guy also'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bullshit yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'make it good for 1 year'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, Aldeas, HIPAA allows it on a limited basis for background checks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHY Elchanan? WHY?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you allready have 5 guns whats it matter any ways if you become ineligible'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos there is no guarantee that I or someone else is not going to drive drunk either. You can't retroactivlely legislate like that, You are essentially saying that ALL gun owners are criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you become ineligible, they'll fucking confiscate your guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because i dont want someone to know look this guy owns these 5 guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Makes sense, but like with a criminal record you have a court case that you can look up etc because its public record.  So wouldnt that make the mental illness part of a background impratical on a large scale?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'For the most part, people aren't going to go through background checks and buy 5 or 10 guns in a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Someone already knows you own those 5 guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or did you not register them?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you need another background check to sell the gun ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or do you live in a state which doesn't require the registration of firearms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You don't have to register guns in every state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, there are many people whose mental illness doesn't get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'as it should be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, Snooky, just don't respond to anything I say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or could i walk into a pawn shop and say hey ill trade you this gun for cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Big Gov wants to confiscate my guns...they are only going to get the ones they know about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Most states don't require hunting weapons to be registered. Handguns, though, are usually required to be registered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know where on the Gun Nut scale you are, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you go from a state that needs registered to one that does not do you need to deregister the gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun waiting for the Big Insurgency for your chance at glory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, you just need to register your change of address, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hell you can build your own rifle shotgun pistol and you dont even need a serial number on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'true enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Supporting my rights makes me nuts, right. And there is nothing nutty about the way you debate and talk to people at all Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but just because i moved out of the state does not mean my gun moved with me'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't support universal background checks OR firearms registration. You don't support firearms registration because you think the government will come after you to confiscate your guns some day and if they do, you'll only give them the guns "they know about". Because you want to keep your other guns... probably to fight that same government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sounds sane to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If you didn't take it with you, then that's considered a transfer of ownership.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you're confusing derision, contempt and outright hatred for insanity.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and just because i did not move does not mean the gun did not move'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the hell is that even supposed to mean?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'two houses'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this has what bearing on the issues at hand?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sometimes, I like to put my guns in storage or move between houses, thus we shouldn't legislate gun control laws into place?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you said if you of 5 guns and become ineligible they confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how would they do so if they have no clue weather or not you sold them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or trasfered them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because new laws would prevent you from just selling them willy nilly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, if this country's government confiscates weapons, the likely next steps would be removal of other rights guaranteed under the constitution. I register the ones that require registration and don't bother about the others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And what about black market sales'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so your saying that i need to pass a background check to sell a gun to'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'lacrimosa, I'm talking about the confiscation of guns from those who've lost the right to own them. You know, felons and the mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Black market sales will still happen, cash under the table will still happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even if its to a authorized dealer'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you're diagnosed as psychotic or commit murder, the government WILL confiscate your guns. And only the criminally insane wouldn't oppose that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, the fucking authorized dealer would. And if you register that sale, then it's rightfully theirs and why would hte government come to YOU to confiscate it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't think anyone is arguing that Yuna, I certainly am not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but Lacrimosa is misunderstanding me for Goddess knows why, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not advocating random confiscation of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you smoke pot, you're not allowed to own a gun in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just sayin''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well thats bullshit Leinei! lol That should not be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that is a whole nother issue though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's as of yet a felony. And I don't care what the potlovers says, smoking pot impairs your judgment, makes you loopy and can induce psychosis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It should not be a felony though Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'small amounts for personal use isn't a felony in my state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"small amounts" is like...really small amounts, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i belive its a felony to posses small amounts at the same time as a firearm tho'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah thats because it is associated with drug dealing, which would not be a problem if weed was fuckin legal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Huh...if your spouse, parent, or child has been convicted of a violent crime, even if it's a misdemeanor, you can't buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Never knew that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What state is that in, Leinei? Also, source?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'federal law'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sounds reasonable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the Lautenburg Amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That's a little unfair'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the requiring registration on firearms would infringe if you ask me '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, that's not what the Lautenberg Amendment says.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Firearms dealers are under ever increasing pressure to avoid straw purchases (a purchase made by a non-prohibited person on behalf of a prohibited person). This means that people married to, cohabiting with, or associated with a domestic violence offender can come under very close scrutiny by dealers and law enforcement agencies during the sales process."'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'background check ok but no need to associate it with the actuall purchases'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, I think the NC sheriff's pamphlet that talks about it might have a typo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna, would you support the mutant registration program?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'says "commited by" when I think it means "commited against"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's North Carolina, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If someone who lives with you can't buy a gun, it's reasonable to expect that they could gain access to yours if you bought one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law should be expanded to also include the mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Laughing Lacrimosa person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'still, didn't realize that a misdemanor domestic violence conviction meant you couldn't own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Isn't that what happened with the guy that got turned down and took his mother's?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I have had to deal with that problem before'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Anonymous sources claimed Lanza was turned down because he did not want to undergo a background check or abide by the state's waiting period for gun sales."'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Do you want to see someone living with a person who has a DV conviction buy the weapon that's later used to terrify and/or kill her?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As far as I know, he was eligible. He was just impatient.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Well, if he didn't want to deal with the requirements, then he shouldn't get one. With power comes responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, of course, suffering from Aspberger's Syndrome makes you ineligible to own a firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Adam Lanza's mother Nancy Lanza may also not have been the best mother: "According to Nancy Lanza's sister-in-law, she was a gun enthusiast and owned at least a dozen firearms. She often took her two sons to a local shooting range"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Her other son says they believed Adam Lanza to have suffered from a personality disorder. He was reportedly diagnosed with Aspbergers. But let's train him in how to shoot!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'What's wrong with that? She was teaching them to use the weapons responsibly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Get to the bad mother part...that 1st part sounded normal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that he had a condition and possible mental illness. The family believed him to be suffering from a personality disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Asperger's isn't, by itself, a mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't call Aspbergers a mental ilness. The personality disorder part. Focus on it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lanza's brother also called Adam "somewhat autistic".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'So he got diagnosed with aspergers but a personality disorder just slid by?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have a friend who while at his moms place in NC, had some one drive a boat up to the shore and star yelling for Sheela  when they were told to leave and did not the mother called the police.. while on the phone she shined a light at the boat to try and read the numbers on the side and when she did a guy got out of the boat and started to walk toward her house. upon telling the police operator this they asked her if she had a gun she said "yes" and they said well make sure its loaded and take aim.... '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... Aspbergers, believed to have a personality disorder. "Somewhat autistic". Not the kind of person I'd take to the shooting range on a regular basis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Except for the assburgers, there is nothing wrong with training your children to be comfortable and knowledeable about firearm use and saftey at an early age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aldeas: You cannot be diagnosed unless you submit yourself to testing. Aspbergers can be diagnosed much easier than some personality disorders. It's also possible he was diagnosed with Aspbergers early and hadn't yet developed the personality disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yes, Asperger's is a form of autism... Getting Asperger's diagnosed is pretty easy, personality disorders can be hidden for a while if you don't want people to find out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say that, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Training this PARTICULAR CHILD was a bad idea and the warning signs were numerous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in the end no one got shot but my friend did get the nice expecience of dispatching someone via loaded shot gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you have the right to shoot a home intruder in NC if you feel your life is in danger'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'you have that in most states'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do some states also limit where you can shoot home intruders? Like, if you shoot them in non-vital spots, that's a-Ok. But if your first instinct is to go for the head, then that's kinda manslaughterish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah laws vary quite a bit'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you have to stop shooting them if they stop being a threat, but that's about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In CCW class they teach you to try to make sure not to shoot an attacker or intruder in the back if possible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or at least drag them into the house after you shoot them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And maybe put a knife in their hand or something if they turn out to be unarmed'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if you are in fear for your life, just shoot to kill. it doesn't take that much to be able to fire a gun back if they have one. Besides, if you just wound them, there's that damned risk of them coming back and suing you, even if they DID break into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so why in cali are you not allowed to posses a baton but you can posses a bull whip'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Bull whips can be sex toys...batons not so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'eh, batons could be too, depends on your kinks'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'have you seen some of these sex toys? Might as well call them batons'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'first object to break the sound bearer is a bullwhip... i think i would rather the baton as a sex toy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the handle part of a bull whip is essentally a baton'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I'd rather the bullwhip, not a baton, but I'd only let someone who was really skilled with one have any chance in hell of it coming near my skin'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bull whips can cut right through skin'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMGsM-CBbME'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is a chain whip taking out a coke can'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Y1q1_EocU'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is bull whip slicing a potato'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is also the dude cutting a plastic bottle in half as if a potato was not enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'that takes a skilled person, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, I've seen a guy cut a cucumber by throwing a playing card, so...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'for the people that says that israel is not comiting genocide, look what they do on their spare time in palestinian land http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=59Vjd1uzb8k I warn you that is a very hardcore video. If you can get offended for hardcore real images, then dont watch it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haha, piers morgan got the flu after getting the flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it someone can be arrested for refusing to allow the electricity company to install a wireless electric meter on their private property?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I presume they tried tampering with the old one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she was arrested when she refused to give them access then stood in their way'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me i'd have got a shotgun with beanbag rounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something was seriously fucked up there'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you can do is refuse service, and they would remove the old meter and you would have no power.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why were they there?  They don't just go around installing shit just because, so there must have been a good reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arresting does not make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess that's it, riz, if it were me and i cared that much, i'd have gone without'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get evicted in that case.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'install your own power generation'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, you can't get evicted from your own property unless you're causing a danger'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most likely because you weren't smart enough to have your generation scheme in place with your hand on the switch.  Without water or electric, you can't live there under the law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what law?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'occupancy laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what occupancy laws?
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, that is not true....you can live in your own home without power or water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're probably talking about specific city ordnances'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 18 cabins in northern alaska that do not have water, and power is not needed if you want to provide your own generator.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is not coming for your guns........ except most of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=heAssC-3aMo'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are working to define an assault weapon as anything with a clip size greater than 10 bullets.  If they get that, it means most handguns would also be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you guys impeached him yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given that Biden is still next in line, he's basically unimpeachable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hoohoo, good luck with that....my p90 has 50 bullets :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I just ordered 5 more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a lot of bluster coming from DC, but i doubt it'll get through'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it needs real Americans who actually know what the constitution to stand and tell them to fuck off back to their own country'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gun sales are up 180%'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gun industry is having its BEST year EVER.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Obama's case Kenya/Indionesia, in Janet Napolitano's case, North Korea, Joe Biden's case the old peoples home, and in Diane Feinstein's case, Mars'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biden wont get elected president....he is a moron.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he hasnt learned how to keep his mouth shut.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women are from Venus, dude.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that the USA is the last country to fall.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it falls, we're all fucked'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope you realise that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're too big to fail.  Bail us out, motherfuckers!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fall, not fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kzT6X3_Bg9o'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'apparently obama wants to start a civil war...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where were you for the last 4 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'in canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Santher, i was talking about that a few days ago and Yuna was poo-pooing it because the source was a retired Lt General William Boykin, and apparently that isn't a credible source'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because he only said and the government didn't publish it through MSNBC, it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US people are afraid...they have created a society based on fear ever since the 1700s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laffs.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's a lot of crazy redneck americans too that are well aremed...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but those of us who pay attention know they've been putting in "shooting americans" in the training for years'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'go to texas and learn to shoot a semi auto rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the chinese people/government call Obama "The Monkey Man"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not a reference to his race'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'join a street gang, no need to go to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'true enough i guess... but texas wants to make it state law to shoot federal agents...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please dont come to Texas, we have enough whackos here.  *peer*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wyoming too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i heard an interview with Garrow before'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scary stuff, but nothing new, just reinforces evidence already seen'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first time i'd heard the China angle though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been talking the China angle since Clinton was in office.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'havent' seen it with reference to disarmament t hough'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Brady bill was from said era, as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i fear for you guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you aren't familiar, that was the assault-weapons ban in place when Columbine happened.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The plane is about to land at Glasgow Airport, passengers are reminded to set their watches back 25years'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the availability of guns, USAmericans 'd be more rude to each other -- and there'd be more violence (like in England) '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and with collectivism bankrupting the country, nobody will be able to afford their own house... just like the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i mention that the UK is shit and bankrupt? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe once'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or twice'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a minute'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, wanted to drill that home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want to go down that route'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody owns those houses in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people who bought them 50 years ago when they were affordable :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, people my age and younger have essentially had their aspirations stolen from them by the generations that preceded us'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody owns those houses that the tenants are renting in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly corporations or businesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government pays them to house welfare recipients'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guaranteed income'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt does that here also, it is called section 8'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have a significant amount of social engineering going on here, nobody was allowed to build except housing corporations, with the execption of within existing village envelopes, which means every house that had a garden now instead has other houses in the grounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the smallholdings and farms got seperated from their land and sold off'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perpetual housing shortage plus exploding population means the house prices shot up, from 3-4x salary to 10-15x salary'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those houses that are for sale are shithole shoeboxes crammed in ontop of other shithole shoeboxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to move to america, but looks like there soon isn't going to be one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'permitting immigration of overbreeders likely worsened the situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did, thanks to signing our soul over to the EU'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meant we had no control over our borders'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain committed genocide in the Fiji islands by letting the India overbreeders to emigrate to and populate Fiji -- the original inhabitants are lkikely soon a minority and then extinct'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, empire-era britain caused most of the shit we have today, India vs Pakistan, Palestine, the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would the world look like if, in 1941 when Rudolf Hess flew over to England to try and broker a coalition with us against Russia, we'd agreed, there'd probably seen the fall of communist USSR, China would never have gone communist, or N Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'sup'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caninkus: 'Howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caninkus: 'Howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'legend you misspelt battle in your desc'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'I'm not such a big fan of texas but anyway...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto rapidly nods twice at LegendGod, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'it matters not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): LegendGod mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'BBBLLLEEEEEEEHHHHHH!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto turns slowly to an Elder Wyrm and lovingly says "Random THIS!".
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): LegendGod tapes a picture over Aardwolf, then paints "EverQuest" on it.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'Not random,my cousin ate a dead fly'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'why did he do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'he's small,too small to know whats edible and whats not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'he even ate dogs food'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'who a south african?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in south africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'i said who over here is one?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feinstein Gun Control Bill would exempt government officials. WTF???'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That way stargate command can still use their mp5's'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's dodgier than a $7 note'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sign in Tahrir Square: 'Obama you jerk, Muslim Brotherhoods are killing the Egyptians'...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tina turner to give up passport and apply for citizenship in Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err Switzerland'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Sweden, fuck that, like that'd be likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the swiss rule....they hid a lot of nazi loot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Assault rfile ownership is compulsory for men of a certain age'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Swiss have an underground shelter for almost 98% of their population....smart people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas 15yr old takes out home invader with father's assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defends his 12yr old sister'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'That poor invader'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache giggles.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Hopefully people will think twice before robbing that kid ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home invasions in Texas are pretty low compared to Chicago and NYC, wonder why'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Tell me about it, guns are uber restricted here in Chicago -.-'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope the kid killed the bastard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plug him with 30 rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, he hit him multiple times. if he didn't die then i'd question how these weapons are "weapons of mass destruction" as some fucknut democrat senator said'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drones are weapons of mass destruction, not fucking rifles'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Cigarettes are more of a WMD than firearms...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SSRi's are'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'What is SSRi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Selective seretonin reuptake inhibitors, a class of prescription medication that is used for mental disorders, but also overprescribed for troublesome children, heart conditions and others'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'side effects include psychotic episodes, suicide, death'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about every single mass shooting in the USA in the last 30 years was committed by someone on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'What do you mean its a seretonin dump? or regulates to dispersal of seretoin'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Messing with the brain with pharma's is always a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Rizgoth, 15 years of Ritalin did me no good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it prevents the reabsorption, krache'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prescription drugs kill 160,000 americans a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah. some drugs are pretty awesome and relatively safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assault rifles around 450'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We used to keep violent whackos in mental hospitals until Reagan released the hounds, and closed down the US federal mental health system to save $8 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in hindsight that was a dumbarse idea, though the trouble is, Obama's lot are using mental health officials to target political dissidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not the first dictator to do so, however'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where do you get this shit? glenn beck?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Glenn Beck is still around?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is glenn beck ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glenn beck last seen disappearing up his own arse in a deserted shopping mall north of dallas'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'LOL Glenn Beck use to be one of Fox News' casters'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt he that guy who used to have a show on fox news?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and now sits in a dark room muttering about how stupid he was to go conservative from liberal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'He made statements liek crazy and referred to quiz cards to prove his points'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts sounds like him sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Never citing credible links or anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just like nuts, krache ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'You can't trust a guy whose most influential moment of his life was when he didn't get a bike for Christmas one year -.-'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'even on aardwolf im surrounded by liberals, like living in Massachusetts wasnt enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Slaymore!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'I'm over here in upstate NY, it's not a lot better'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'April 15th 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association quotes 106,000 a year die from properly prescribed medications'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'ny and cali are probably the worst'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/15/health/deadly-dose-jackson-rummler/'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '28,764 died rfom accidental overdoses'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, i don't think you're bullshitting with prescription drug deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.enlightenamerica.com/files/Over-Prescribed.pdf is a bit out of death'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit out of date'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what are you shitting your pants about THIS time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but source the "obama is sending dissidents to mental institutions" please'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google Brandon Raub'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not an isolated case'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Just because it happened once, doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an isolated case'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '28,768 separate or included in the 106,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, zade, different sets different dates, latest figures are 160,000 a year from both'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, how exactly is obama involved? did he give an executive order to arrest the guy or what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its always the liberals fault.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's in charge'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Soviets used to send dissidents to psychiatric wards -- is Barack Obama a soviet communist sleeper-mole'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he passed the law to enable the nsa to trawl people's private facebook postings'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and they aren't private'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression i'm talking to mentally ill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir points excitedly at an elemental called Zadest!
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I get the impression your a dumbass, but I wasn't going to say anything.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're*'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you think it's acceptable that if you badmouth a public figure on facebook, that it's justified to send the secret service to pick you up and have you commited to a mental isntitution with due process?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Thank you Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I badmouth public figures constantly on my facebook, including Obama, no SS here, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, nuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you're not an army vet'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you're so fucking paranoid that you assume and believe that it was obama personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said it was Obama personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oh so it only matters if I was in the army?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not someone reporting the post and then someone in an office somewhere overreacting'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, you tell me'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'free-speech in a public medium is not a license to utter threats and or incite violence -- some of those public facebook posting were likely bording on criminal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck yeah you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I'm sorry, you aren't dumb, just bat shit crazy.  And you aren't even American.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't agree with the practice, i'm not bent on blaming everything on obama either'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of what the Republican talkshows are saying is likely bordering on the criminal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and there are factual things to give him shit for. gitmo for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he's at the top of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when Bush was president, i'd blame him'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with obama is his stance on energy.....so far he has not exactly been pro job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you blame him for everything. including shitty weather'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'm "batshit crazy" for laying blame at the person who's ultimate responsibility it is......'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all presidents should be pro job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you're the kind of person that likes to blame absolutely anything and everything else for things except the actual culprit'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'obama is the worst president in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I wouldn't say worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Bush did afterall slingshot us into the worst recession since when??'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since his dad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'so that gives obama the right to spend into oblivion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he is "pro job", just not the kind of job you favour...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'As far as I am concerned there has been no American President worth his weight in salt for many years'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pro-blowjob?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pro-inside-job?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'so was slick willie, but that wasn't the type of job that helped the economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama is only doing what he can to stimulate the economy....it is called deficit spending, and it works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more education, infrastructure, rather than oil, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Glenn Beck was likely bordering on the criminal or mentally incompetent or perhaps a "raving lunatic" (unless he was deliberately trolling, but if he believed what he was saying on tv .. ) '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'raising taxes does the opposite of stimulate'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If we legalized prostitution we could make tons of money'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need more education, we spend enough on it and it hasnt done 'batshit' for anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'spending and borrowing and printing money is killing us'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'student loans are at a record high now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus spending by means of taking huge amounts of money and giving it to your lobbyist owners for no work....  is not stimulus spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'wait till the inflation hits'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'require more inexpensive effective accurate enhancing education'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suspect a lot of education spending isn't really on education per se... stuff like metal detectors and other security measures probably inflate spending figures, so that it appears to be greater than in other countries...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's idea of "stimulus spending on infrastructure" is burning $50bn on giving contracts to foreign companies to build 200 miles of high speed rail that nobody except the elite will be able to afford'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, there's a housing shortage'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, most education spending is spent on admin, and not on education.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when in fact, a lot of it isn't spent effectively, or on actual teaching even.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hire more teachers, less clerks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have principals who make $180k a year, while teachers start at $28k'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'teacher pay needs a serious boost if you want to attract talent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many ivy league grads would want to teach for 30k after all?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Doesn't Denmark pay high salaries to their teachers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Or am I thinking Sweden?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'probably both'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, some of those places. Those places with higher teacher salaries tend to attract better quality teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Not to mention a better quality of education'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have tons of good teachers leaving the profession here because of stupid beurocracy and rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'building costs for new schools is out of control also.....because property taxes pay for them....'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'As they should, 28k isn't a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no tenure for teachers -- if they are incompetent at teaching, fire and replace the those teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay almost $4000 a year in property tax, and the schools take about 85% of that.....I dont even have kids in the damn schools...and if I did...they would be in private schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking property taxes, that needs to go'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can fire all the teachers you want... if they're poorly paid, you aren't going to get good candidates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'im thinking about moving to nh no income tax, no sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do they get money for local services?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'prop tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'stupid high'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'property tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'i drive up there and buy stuff all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad textbooks are mainly to blame -- if a textbook requires a teacher to explain what's in the textbook, the textbook is likely defective  (books of tables and figures are exempt when they are detailed informative reference texts)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high property tax is a good way to equalise wealth, but it's too "communist" for many people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a good way of equalising wealth at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'move to california and tell me how you like taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have a rich person living in a small property or a poor person living in a rich property, how does that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well you can't have a poor person living in a rich property because they cant afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if a rich person is  living in a small property, he's probably not really using his wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, when I retire, I am moving to a place where my prop tax will be less than $1500 a year....booyah, !'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and most rich people wont live in a poor property'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor property my ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we very much have that situation in the UK where someone has lived in their property for a long time and that property has gone from being low value to being very high value'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so here, property taxes are particularly punitive for pensioenrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensioners*'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'noone forces them to live there'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try a property with a 3 acre lake, 2 streams, 1600 sq foot home, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and endless fishing on my dock.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'they can sell (obviously for a profit) and move to somewhere they can afford?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they HAVE to?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD IT'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would not use any more resources where they move to'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'ugh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'badly-written manuals are also to blame'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Doesn't sound like a very fucking hard concept to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the wealth distribution argument falls down, the paying according to consumption argument falls down'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no argument, you're supporting it because you're bloody minded'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and about textbooks, I don't really understand why they need to have a zillion different textbooks in the US for core content in pre-U... What's wrong with developing a few main texts for each core subject, and having other supplementary materials for non-core content?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Im not supporting anything.  But its simple fact that poor people won't live in rich properties because they can't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I could just do what most smart people do...make all your money in a no income tax state, and when you retire....move to a high income tax state that doesnt tax certain types of income.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'even if they own the land outright, they still have to pay prop taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'then you're talkin about standardization of ciriculums across staes, which means federalization of education...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'd make them move away from the communities they've lived in for 40 years, maybe away from their friends and their family, because of ideology'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'No, because they cant afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their property value rises, they can sell for a nice profit... I doubt your average retiree would complain in that situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'circular logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its the ONLY relevance '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aren't you all about free market, nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I retract my previous statement and I'm back to you simply being a dumbass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, it's a free market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property tax is not a free market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'welcome to the peching party .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless your house has an extremely high value, the odds of gaining a profit on your property is slim now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your argument is analogous to "Fuel tax is too high", "well drive less"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cost of living in a neighborhood depends on the free market, if you rent'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the american dream of home ownership is a nightmare now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the property value has risen that sharply, it's doubtful that the community is the same one they're used to - probably underwent gentrification'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no Its not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's not the case here, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'american africans (former slave descendents) lived for decades in a country devoloped by them -- rich whites moved in, took over the local government, raised property taxes, forced the afro-americans into bankruptcy and dispossessed the afro-americans -- blatant land-theft'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't mind high taxes if i get something good in return'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, dagnir, but ideologically i think a combination of income taxes and sales taxes are fairer'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they're based on income and consumption, rather than something arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, prop taxes are going up so fast that you will pay more in prop tax then the house is worth.  Not a good investment to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'property taxes dbl my house payment in Dallas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'because they are high'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'wait, I know the answer to this... Its Obama's fault.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, property tax is usually a percentage of  rent value anyway... Find a nice tenant and rent out a room and your property tax disappears.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'did I win?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high property taxes and low land values means that the rich may disposses the poor landowners at a very low cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how droll'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'school bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are property taxes rocketing in texas. is it across texas, or is it in certain parts. If it is certain parts, what is driving it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all over Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'owner-occupied taxes are much lower too, so there's really no issue for those who own only their home, unless they're desperately poor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of school bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston just passed a $380 million dollar school package in November 2011 to build some new schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they chose to raise taxes rather than issue bonds?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means more bonds need to be sold'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more construction... good for the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, taxes pay off the bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'while raising property taxes sky-high, a scam is to pay the politicians and bureaucrats high salaries so they may afford their property-taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, but over a longer period'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'over 20 to 40 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depending on the project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'borrow a certain amount, raise taxes to pay it off slowly. Quite a common method.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so 38 new schools?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 8 new schools, the rest is for upgrading the others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone's on the tap, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody is profitting financially from building those schools '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg cost of a new high school in Texas is around $16 million'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least they're not using PFI to fund them'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many students, 1000?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '800'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably isn't far out'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, harsh to put it all on property tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'we dont have income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a school in northern Texas, near Dallas just opened a brand new $56 million stadium for high school football. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i guess it's the only option for you guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well we have sales tax but ya'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we also have an 8.5% sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the federal sales tax?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'depending on where you live, but 8.5 is common'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and numerous other taxes and fees'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no fed sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its 8.25 here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there is criminal mob involvement in the construction -- are those schools going to be shoddily constructed -- perhaps a kickback to the politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's pretty low'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the fed is only part of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'like 6'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the rest is local'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, state is 6, local is 2.25 or so, not fed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, Zade, but there'll probably be a ton of kickbacks to developers and politicians, and probably some abusing of illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'ya, thats what I meant sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gop in texas - trying to convince the nation to implement austerity, while stealthily (?) conducting their own stimulus'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as republican as you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'most (if not all) metro areas in tx vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its all the coutry folk that push us red'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... good point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god bless em :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'metropolitan democrat areas are mostly immigrants and people infecting the state from california though'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'rep lose tx, they really are screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the economy keeps booming and the cities keep growing, it wouldn't be surprising if it flips blue in a couple of decades...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that'd be the end of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Some projections show it flipping sooner, within 12 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but its all a guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends to the extent what happens to the immigrants, and that depends on how well texas itself does'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on how many externals are parachuted in'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'illegal aliens '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so many factors, might as well just shrug and wait and see'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the shit hits the fan on the economy (which it probably will) then you'll have a sizeable dependence class that will only ever vote for democrat, same thing happened here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, 3 years ago Texas had a record high $27 billion deficit.....now in 2013, it is estimated to be a $9 billion surplus'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's the reverse... better economy, more urbanisation, more dems'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah again, its more oil and gas development'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama could learn a lot from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fleeing california because of the tax rates, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so democrats are a bit like cancer'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can sort of see it in their actions, which party wants more austerity, which wants stimulus...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties want whatever makes them and their lobbyists most money'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to hell with the little people'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces 2.4 million barrels of oil each day.....that is up almost 40% in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But since it is illegal for the state to have a deficit or a surplus...the money has to be spent....either put in a rainy day fund, or used to reduce taxes, or spent in education.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is the department that gives government contracts to small and medium sized american businesses being closed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'putting it in a fund is effectively having a surplus...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't they use that surplus for the schools?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least $5 billion will most likely be put in the rainy day fund, cause $4.7 billion from the fund was used in 2011 to help reduce the deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'last I checked, my govt had reserves equal to several years of gdp, and debt about equal to gdp.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, States are allowed to 'bank' money for the future, and it doesnt count towards the law to prevent a surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska for example has a rainy day fund of $36 billion right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but effectively that's what it is... really money in the bank. Just semantics.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure UK has any serious reserves'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska also has a constitutional fund with another $8 billion in it for emergencies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe individual departments are allowed to have reserves, but i doubt they have much'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, many countries have reseves that are smaller than debt...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt we have reserves even remotely close to our debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our debt is collossal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and getting bigger, and unlike the USA, there's nothing easy we can cut'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our reserves are much larger because my govt is paranoid about things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably wiser, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is the % of debt to gdp in the UK ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sec, i'll look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is %180 :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's because we're an island surrounded by two large muslim countries that didn't really like us, and without a developed country anywhere close'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Closest is probably australia...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'officially, 70%, though there is a stack of off-sheet debt caused by Labour (PFI schemes) which will bring it up to around 75%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, our debt to GDP is going down....about 84% now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... ours is 118%, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since the US economy is still growing around 4% a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 2.5 to 4 %'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was 2.7%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Rizgoth for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can tell you're an optimist'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Always.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '6% here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it takes prescience to recognise i'm not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US could achieve 4% with the right policy, but probably only for a few years as it rebounds from the current situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's producing well below capacity at the moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we were predicted 1% 2012'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Except for Wyoming and North Dakota, Texas has the fastest growing economy in the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we grew 14.8% in 2010 because of the bounce from the recession'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'averaged 4-5% during the crisis years'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and 4.9% in 2011, so still on trend...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, that 6% was public debt, not gdp growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to lose some military spending soon though, since the new f-35 is being curtailed which it should be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2012 might not have been so great though, because with the world economy in this shape, it has been a terrible drag on a small country like mine...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Singapore ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's budget is a tad screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs some serious reform'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Singapore, Taiwan and HongKong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if by "producing", the USA is "using up" resources, eventually those resources may run out, when the "producing" ceases'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh bite me, extracting resources is how you provide jobs, whether it is sun, wind, oil or gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or dozens of others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come and solve the UK budget, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could fix it in 3 years, easy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go on ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hongkong has the advantage over singapore of having free protection... but there's a corresponding risk, being part of a corrupt dictatorship...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I would need complete control over all rules, laws and regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you change?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would make the UK a good place to do business again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes it not so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we spend a lot of our military... such a waste, but maybe it can't be helped.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are likely customers for "resources" disguised or relabelled as "products" -- but switch to manufactured products, the customers may simply not be there in sufficient numbers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since I do not have access to your rules, laws, and regulations, I can't answer that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if it's employment regulations, then we'd need to leave the EU since they're written by them'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't know what you have, so I dont know what to change to stimulate things. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's taxation, we have the lowest corporation taxes in europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have high wage costs compared to R.O.W'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about nuclear energy ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty shite skillset due to decades of pushing arts degrees at "educatioN"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, generally speaking, first you would commit to massive stimulus to end the crisis, raise taxes (details depend on your situation) after that, while dismantling unions and making it easier to start/close businesses and hire/fire people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you have rules against it ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like it, though we're building a big one near me'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high wage costs aren't that big of an issue when you have your own currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about income tax on manufacturing, or unions?  Are unions in control ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the economy of first world nations partly depends on selling guns arms munitions to third world terrorists, that is a twisted economy  -- as though somebody mus buy the obsolete arsenal to defray the costs of superior arsenals'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are weakish here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'focus should be in improving the quality of the workforce. High tech companies value ease of getting talented workers over high wage costs, up to a reasonable extent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about oil and gas exploration within the 200 mile boundry off your shores ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i don't expect it to get any better here any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'long term, the money's in tech rather than resource exploitation'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've tapped most of the offshore resources we have, Riz, that's why Argentina are warmongering over the Falklands - we have exploration there'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last I checked, the UK could be completely energy independent if they tapped all that shale gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could be energy independant by renewables, coal, and gas, but it's not in the oligarch's interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is also a huge deposit of natgas under the north sea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and we're signed onto all kinds of crap climate change bollocks that prevents us tapping resources for power'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'screw energy independence. When there are a zillion producers willing to sell you the stuff, it's unnecessary to diy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by going energy independent in the US in the next 10 years or so, the US will save close to $500 billion a year in trade deficit sending money overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonsahi, the majority populace of the USA may not like the lowered standard of living as in countries where workers are treated like expendible dirt and business is booming'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aim for high tech, and let the saudis and south americans dig up the stuff for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy independance reduces co2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention big bucks.....$500 billion is more money than most countries produce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when business is really booming the way we are... wages will rise naturally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the one man union - threaten to leave your job because you know you can get another quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what percentage of the populace, where Sonshi is, is in dire poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define dire poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'number one complaint in our businesses - "I can't find enough workers! (willing to work for what I'd like to pay them)"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'practically none'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you're disabled, you can get a job if you want one'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'homelessness is close to 0'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a $1 per year increase in the min wage in the US, for at least 4 years.....bring the min wage up to what we pay our starting workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'slums don't exist, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what percentage of the populace in India is in dire poverty --  some may answer practically none -- but that is likely a lie'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem here is that government subsidises peoples wages, which means costs and values are skewed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, lots of slums exist in india. We have none.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially the housing market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because if you say anything bad in Singapore, they cane your ass in public. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just driving around will demonstrate the levels of poverty there...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Singapore govt, the unemployment rate is 1.9% which means it is really double that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's more for vandalism... for slander they usually sue your ass off'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like in the US, the govt rate is 7.9%, but it is most likely around 15%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, actually that figure is correct, but it's also a half truth...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are different categories, riz, and yes, the next category up is 15%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the unemployment rate is actually 2%, but it counts foreign workers who are all fully employed (or they are deported)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like UK claims unemployment of 2.49million, but that's a fudge, it's people "claiming jobseekers welfare"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unemployment for residents is something like 3%...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"unfortunately" low unemployment means wage inflation, because you have to pay much more to hire workers...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this tends to balance out after a while, and unemployment will creep up once wages rise enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, in North Dakota, the unemployment rate is less than 1 percent now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're the only major city not to have slums (by the UN definition) though!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody said that atheism is illegal in singapore -- that may be a deal-breaker'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that's true, zade, though there are only 6? legally allowed religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most of our leaders are atheist to some extent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although some are muslim, catholic, or protestant'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unemployment in spain is >20% now'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'youth unemployment in spain is >50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Spain is anti capitalism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wyoming has the fastest growing economy in the US...because of oil and gas.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spain isn't any more "anti-capitalism" than other eurozone countries... they're just uncompetitive compared to the other major economies in the eurozone, and combined with, well, being in the eurozone, that's really very bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they were out, they could just devalue'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU is a fucking nightmare, i totally agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Singapore restriction to 6 religions is to prevent crackpot minority religions from fomenting strife with altruistic "rights for workers" -- the 6 approved religions are "docile"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all religions are approved except for 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the purpose of that restriction, Zade, but it does cross the line on a number of freedom issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How many scientologists are there in Singapore?  do they have singalongs in the main square? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the two banned ones are the most docile ones... banned for being pacifist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dubai is eventually going to run out of oil -- Dubai is hoping to develop an alternative economy before that happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dubai is also sitting on a shitload of natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I wouldn't know, but I like to think we're too smart for them to take hold. Unfortunately, there're plenty of dumb ones, despite what I like to think...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I really wouldn't consider them a religion though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UAE has tons of natgas, but not much oil compared to most middle eastern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2008 financial meltdown likely jeopardised the Dubai alternate economy aspirations'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the scientologist forced labour scams I hear about probably wouldn't work well back home either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there have started being some vigilante muslim groups patrolling their london estates cracking down on hooligans, vice, and criminals'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately they were using violence and trying to enforce sharia law, so were going after homosexuals and women in skirts'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'we're ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'past tense of are'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they is implied'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the auto-spelling-grammar-correcter chose "we're" before "they were"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it's shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, that sort of thing doesn't happen back home... if everything is going well and there are no slums, no guns (and correspondingly low crime), there are no vigilantes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first impressions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no racial strife'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have racial strife, these guys weren't armed with guns, mostly no guns ehre'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need to do is fix the economy, provide enough housing for everyone, break up organised crime, (almost) eliminate corruption, promote racial and religious harmony, rebuild your infrastructure, and everything will be fine!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy peasy!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, racial strife and religious/cultureal strife is largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Soup for All!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just took us a few decades or so to accomplish!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love making soup.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'check'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Ammo and a fault sense of justice ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'check'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In January, 2012, the U.S. Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee of the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association unanimously recommended that government debt be allowed to auction even lower, at negative absolute interest rates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is calling in old debt, and replacing it with negative interest debt....add inflation to that....and the US debt goes down.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US govt did the same thing after WWII to reduce the amount of debt the country had in the 40s and 50s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So does anyone think that Fienstein's "Assult Weapons" is actually going to reduce crime?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'any awake?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'check this page http://www.ussc.gov/'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto snores loudly.
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'has been hacked and looks very important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well for americans'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'not an american '
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'look at it anyway is important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'good on e'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'em*'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it now seems the TSA are out on the road with Texas police conducting random stop and searches'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish RicK Perry would stop being such a fucking pussy and kick them out'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if there's one thing the TSA doesn't do, it's keep us safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's acclimatisation'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, on the bright side, in a few more years I won't even have to wipe my own bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no good, since you'll be taxed for how much you shit, and be arrested if your shit has more than your allowance of fats and sugars in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if I pooped out in the woods, would that be like tax evasion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it would, and it's probably already illegal in some places under crazy environmental rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz lolz razkin
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they were arresting women for letting their 3yr old pee in their own garden'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is human poo organic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately in that case it was thrown out and the cop fired, but it's the sort of thing we're seeing a lot of'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we could sell that s**t!'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, in a literal sense, it's organic'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'check it out http://www.ussc.gov/'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'very important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the unmentionables'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have you gone to the link?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm going to build an outhouse and call it my 'Tax Shelter''
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'right and you cant mention them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to trigger nsa engines'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presumably this used to be a government website'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then check https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23Anonymous&src=hash'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just use little snitch'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish them god speed'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'me too'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'eot'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any idea what it is?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does Illinois want to jail people for filming police?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life inprisonment for videoing police pushing onto a neighbour's property without a warrant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of thing that'll kick off with polce being shot, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hotels now to ask questions of visitors, enter them into fema anti-terrorist database'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to show terror alerts publicly in foyesr'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://www.ussc.gov/ <--------Annonymus has hacked this government website and apparently have gained control over a nuclear warhead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not nuclear warhead silly over information'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, on sunday, retailers will be able to add up to %4.0 surcharge on all credit card transactions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am against the death penalty, I would prefer they rot in prison for life.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree, with the addendum that if it's discovered that they were innocent, it is much more productive to let them out of jail and say 'we are very sorry' than to exhume their body and say 'we are very sorry''
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is exactly why I am against the death penalty.....you can never prove that 100% of people are guilty of a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And I do not want to be responsible for murdering an innocent person.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, we all know that innocent people have literraly been convicted and put to death.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It should stop just for that one reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, apples and peanut butter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saltines and cheddar!'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to fly on air force once....just once.  I wonder how much you have to donate to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'air force one that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The school year in the US should be increased to 240 days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Haiti needs to turn itself into a casino resort.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a recent survey from British analyst WealthInsight reports the U.S. has added 1.1 million millionaires since Obama was elected in 2008.  The number of millionaires in the US as of 2012 is 5.1 million.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Also to note though, there was a drop in the number of millionaires in the US in 2012 of 170,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is 2nd with 1.6 million millionaires, and China is 3rd with just over 1 million millionaires.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there will be many more when they mint the trillion dollar coin'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US treasury vetoed the $1 trillion coin :('
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. that would have been the most awesome retarded thing :('
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the "make teachers wear bulletproof vests and assault rifles" plan maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or just hire more trained undercover security guards at schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe, but that plan isn't retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm talking about things that are kind of awesome, but also very fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am always for more jobs, and the potential of having another 50,000 plus security jobs at the nations schools is happy happy joy joy to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'kids aren't packing where i live'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'boggles my mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you're a security contractor?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not yet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The death tax needs to be repealed,'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'An Italian lawyer was arrested for forgetting his wallet after enjoying a $208 steakhouse dinner.  I wonder how long before said steakhouse ends up under new management?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '66% of pennies end up in jars, clothes drawers, and who knows where......a waste of taxpayer money.   It costs 1.4 cents to make a penny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After the civil war, veterans had to go to Washington DC to apply for their veterans benefits.  The files of the veterans history were binded with Red Tape, hence where the term 'red tape' for govt bureaucracy came from.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois has one of the worst credit ratings in the country'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-continues-violate-his-own-stimulus-law-not-releasing-quarterly-reports_697896.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Your freedom is likely to be someone else's harm," said Daniel Callahan, senior research scholar at a bioethics think-tank, the Hastings Center.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that says it all, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A former CIA officer who was among the first to go public with details about the agencys use of waterboarding and other interrogation techniques was sentenced to 2½ years in prison Friday for disclosing a covert operatives name to a reporter'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Emails show FBI investigating Sen. Bob Menendez for sleeping with underage Dominican prostitutes. Anyone surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'why would we be mate ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Internal audit reveals 106 children employed at 11 factories making Apple products in past year'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I'm anti Apple personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going back to the prostitutes, did you see the Project Veritas undercover sting that lead to one of Obama's old socialist groups (which he was about to give $5bn of tax payers money to in the stimulus) being shut down?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Acorn group?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Masons '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTnizEnC1U'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced Acorn was masons so much as Chicago mafia'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but any NGO that offers advice to pimps looking to get government help for their underage prostitution rackets..............'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other work by O'Keefe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJ55RSkgo8&list=UUL9PlYkRD3Q-RZca6CCnPKw&index=2'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&list=UUL9PlYkRD3Q-RZca6CCnPKw'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Tiggy ? quiet here too ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, americans are all tucked up in bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about to have sunday roast, so bbiab'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'enjoy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'you have a song for Music chann ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you want a song for music channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muse - Unsustainable'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US executive branch to pass executive order banning nightclubs are 245 deaths in Brailian nightclub inferno'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after, rather than are'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was kidding, of course, but it's the sort of logical leaps that he's been taking'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cannot even compare a nightclub in brazil to one in the US, we have laws that were put in place after large fires in the 70s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would government machinery care about things like facts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or reality)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sprinkler systems, certain fire hazard materials a certain distance from ignition sources, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt is more real then corporations. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You think govt does stupid shit, should take a look at the crap businesses try to get away with, and usually do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define "more real"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is putting out a tender for the tender process'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chairman of the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission makes about $1375 per hour.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission a GO or NGO?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Poland rejects gay unions, Russia to ban gay 'propaganda''
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll please Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They should learn from iran, they simply stated that they don't have any gay people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but iirc iran's health care covers transgender operations and some gay men have gotten around that by changing gender to female :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iran has a marginally more democratic system of governance than the US, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have 1000's of billions of gold, bid the max on proxy and live with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you giving George Osbourne budget advice again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'miss obviously'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://news.yahoo.com/leading-democrat-gun-control-faces-uphill-climb-160828132--politics.html <------------Assult weapons ban bill DOA in congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking tyrants'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'down with george!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'now if only the NDAA and Patriot acts could suffer the same fate'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, down with that fat bald cross dressing singing freak'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And what is killer about it is they couldnt even get enough democrats to support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well unlike the real fucking nutsoid democrat mafia family like Cuomo, Holder, and Feinstein, many other democrats are thinking "If I vote for this, I'll have 0 chance of re-election"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so's the health care act, but they skirted around that :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I honestly think Obamacare won't last forever. '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'technically, while it has gone to the supreme court, the court has not voted/judged on its constitutionality...they just voted/declared that "this party who brought it before us can't ask us to judge that because of an issue of standing", so they shelved the real decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and essentially said that they aren't allowed to vote on constitutionality until it finally actually affects people'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not how the media span it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how the democrats spun it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and affect people it shall Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it is what their ruling stated'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the USa SCourt waits until millions more are spent implementing ObamaHC before ruling on the constitutionality - devious'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you volunteering to be the first person ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have death panels here in the UK, work a treat - want granny dead? no problem, they'll wipe her. Want her treated? Tough shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UK advisory health board knows that, (as part of the natural order,) old folk are supposed to die, (especially if they are poor).'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(pick a better example)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think obamacare has lifetime caps built in as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't agree with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Soon enough people in charge will argue that children up to age three arent people either and can be aborted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already been touted in bioethics journals'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only place it actually happens regularly atm is CHina'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not legal in China'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't agree with it either Tiger, and now I am going to get fined if I do not buy into obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done, snooky :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TNuts wants the government to spend millions to keep a decaring old female alive a year or so longer - not economical - the UK requires the monies for assisting the rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference in the UK is that you don't have an alternative, money or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is the govts responsibility to provide low cost efficient health care for all citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that makes it state-sponsored murder'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what, the Queen mother lived to a ripe old age - maybe even yet alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the queen mother is more important then you are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The queen sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is simply amazed and pleased that British Royalty is able to live a long long long while
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you tell Elton that, Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'British royalty is the greatest collection of assholes and d-bags ever assembled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British Monarchy prevents communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that is good: preventing communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Any competent government can prevent communisim.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im sure thats why they disarmed their entire population, to prevent communisim.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im sure thats why they make themselves exempt from any laws that parlament passes that affects the lower class.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh another think about the AWB is the bill does not apply members of congress and retired police officers. What the fuck lol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got do let the ruling class keep -their- weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well according to that one guy the ruling class prevents communisim:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck getting me to give up my big clips.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gonna have to find them first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a *decent* monarchy prevents communism '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice that Obama is already spinning the defeat trying to blame republicans for "not representing the public" despite the unfortunate fact that there is NO public consensus or mandate for the move'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, libs have gun control, and cons have abortion.....and interestingly enough, most americans now favor keeping abortion legal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no issue with abortion, provided it's pre-12 weeks, and isn't used willy-nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dislike the Republican party. But I REALLY hate Democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i'd want to be paying taxes to go towards abortion, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is okay, even if used willy-nilly before 12 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people should be having more abortion imho'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I consider abortion to be murder. But thats just how I feel about it. I don't go out of my way to think less of people who support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people shouldn't be so fucking stupid, then they'd not need them'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe some payment if used willy-nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I dont want my taxes buying more $170 million aircraft, but we can't always get what we want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't claim abortions are used for national defence though'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or $1 billion bombers....like we need stealth bombers....the B-52's have done the job just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'military aircraft are so cheap - only 170 million ?! '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'sure you can, terrorists have to be born somehow ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the F-15E costs only $12 million per aircraft....and it still has air superiority, or the F-14'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortions should be like cigarettes, legal, but with a real attempt to educate/ dissuade from use'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the OT bible supports abortion'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont need $170 million aircraft to keep air superiority when the rest of the world isnot building next generation aircraft.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think the threat of work-jail time for errant parents to repay the childcare for all 16yrs would help reduce abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But women its a woman's right to murder her child!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, that was contradictory nonsense '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose is to increase abortions so that unwanted children are not born'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your purpose might be, mine isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If children are unwanted, than why get pregnant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people are stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly women'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not exclusively'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the law suggested earlier would lean on men to take pro-active action'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'next, Tigernuts may be saying: "threat of work-jail time for errant parents to repay the childcare for all 16yrs would help reduce (contraception and) abortions" <-- projected nonsense by Tigernuts, since an aborted child does not cost the taxpayer childcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you adding in text into quotes that doesn't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then using to disprove a point that was never made anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extrapolating your nonsense, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, you're doing a good job of making up your own'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say such a law would aim to reduce not only abortions, but unwanted pregnancies period, and would reduce the burden on the taxpayer of shag-and-run merchants'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'interesting strike-wickedly draconian concept there, Tigernuts '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly draconian'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade thinks how to use that Tigernuts-concept against (say) gender-deviates
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it serves to pull young hormone-rampaging bundles of skin up short and get them to get an implant, or wear a johnny, then that's well worth it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a better plan, then we're all ears'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slippery-slope there THN, -- that concept may be used to act harshly against other "unapproved" activities '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an unapproved activity, and it's not harsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even slippier-slope there TN, -- that concept may be used to act harshly against other "not unapproved" activities '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your failure to play on words will not avail you'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not used to thinking wickedly -- but interesting concept there'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be characterised as "You spread your seed? You pay for the results. You won't pay for the results? You have your life managed for you until you've finished"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting to hear for your alternative'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, using the Tigernuts concept: "perhaps the threat of work-jail time for assault-gun owners, to repay society for the imagined assault-gun-deaths that did not happen, would help reduce the purchase of assault guns" '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a threat for such already, "if you shoot someone unlawfully with an assault weapon, you go to jail"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, so you TN 'd make abortion a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, go choke on a cock'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you could imply that it would put a societal no-no on "shooting and running" of a different kind'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you send those that use abortions to work-jail, then abortion is (effectively) treated as a "crime"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't argue for sending arbortion users to jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what you seemed to say'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i argued for sending delinquent parents to work-jail if they didn't cough up'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only what i said according your drug-hazed mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how does that reduce abortions -- more likely to increase abortions (and maybe contraception)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more likely to increase contraception than abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far more likely to reduce unprepared casual sex, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, good soup'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a good thing, because you then won't have the ridiculous situation of liberals trying to come up with justification for the promotion of wiping out black people'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'certainly won't reduce abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably won't raise them either'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still has the effect of reducing unwanted pregnancies, and reduces burden on the tax payer while at the same time reinforcing an important aspect of personal responsibility that seems to have been lost in the government-hand-holding of the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you TN intend to put a lot of africans in jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave that to the US government, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are already there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'one half is in jail the other half is being aborted as we speak'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you forgot the ones in the gang shootouts in the inner cities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for your alternative, zadwe'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't come up with something credible, i'll have to assume you are actually Yuna renamed'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about those umpteen teenagers that became pregnant by the same man (a derelict?)    '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that man will very quickly end up in jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Tigernuts's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the teenagers were the willing initiators'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really? zade? yuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both trolls, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both a bit simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so are you'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but zade is a fucking retard'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both like to complain but never add anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but yuna is coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to agree to disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe disagreeable, but he's not braindamaged like zade here'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coherent in a "man staggering out of a pub looking for a fight after 10 pints" is coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least Dagnir, you are able to see what Zade is, (even if you are wrong)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll just have to start calling you Zuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Yade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps Yuna is your superhero alias'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do know that, Yuna is online while Zade is online'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might have crossed your mind that i'm fully aware of that, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Egypt is a little on fire'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypts Islamist president issued state of emergency and called for political dialogue after at least 48 people were killed in clashes since Friday.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political dialogue? "Do what we say and obey Sharia law or you will be publicly executed along with your entire extended family"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps time for Obamahero to bomb the unpopular Egypt Islamists persecuting the populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'll happen, he's been happily handing over very large amounts of currency to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it happens it'll be further down the road. Central belt of Africa + Libya, Syria, possibly Algeria first'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've successfully armed the terrorists there, so they'll at least have an excuse to invade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want done with Egypt, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i might take exception to them destroying the pyramids'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no idea, not a current area of expertise'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps develop an antidote to all religions, including the muslim religion '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Crime is what countries are built on'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Australia, but not really many others'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'gun control is lame'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'without crime what would a city be. The police won't get any money, shit, the government will be broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, it needs to be enforced more vigorously'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you trying to justify your criminal activities, Arikhan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why would it matter if the police don't get money if there isn't any crime?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Hehehe! Kiss but don't tell. But I am right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the government could save a lot of money on jails, courts, etc as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'No more jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'No jobs as wardens, gaurds, police, security. How many wil fall hungry then. Think about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so? the money we'd save on that could be spent on other things to create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having money doesnt create jobs...'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd much rather pay for public works than for jails and guards'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Jobs like what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the govt having money doesnt create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'citizens with money create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which is why the rich doesn't need to be over taxed'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, we could go back to the depression-era ideas and pay people to construct highways, or just tax a little less (haha yeah right)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they are the job creators'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'You guys have a point. I yield on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'war creates jobs and uses the useless  as cannon fodder - win win'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'competition creates tech advancement'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'True'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sort of a shame that we do our fastest work when under the gun of warfare :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Now Anangel is talking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'but we do - evolution is war '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vost we don't need any further gun restrictions or laws in the US. Besides maybe universal backround checks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'any social Darwinsts on? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'says Nazi to completely kull the chann in the hope someone has a stronger spirit than soc norms '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'How come gun control people are all filled with such uninformed irrational fear?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'didn't we kill the firearm control deb a few days ago ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'I heard that since Obama became president in your egocentric country the sales on guns sky-rocketed. hehe'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes we did Tzad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'soz Snook - I've lost it .. abit still here though - weird '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I like educating more people'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Actually screw that...I'm getting tired.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'not having a good thought process'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'wana tuckin? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky nods at Anangel.
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I'm 30 min out from mine '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'meet you back at the pub'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am in a laser game'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'really weird though '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'nvm'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I got grapes in the fridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'no you're a towel!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'mans best friend is his towel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'RIP Doug Adams'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'and his towel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do not let a vogon recite poetry!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS buys 7000 full auto assault rifles, calls them "personal defence weapons"'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought it a tad hypocritical considering, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-rEx81PE&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'not particularly.  The gun debate is largely one of whether civilians, not in service to the government or protection of the country, should have access to various levels of leathality.  We tell an adult they can't buy over X amount of a particular drug they might overdose or turn into meth, but then give them license to carry an automatic weapon that's at least as deadly, because "2nd amendment".'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'arming our government protective agencies is entirely separate to that debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and also, critics of the DHS's intent to purchase these weapons have been circulating similar rhetoric for months'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hence, my inquiring whether there was something new or another circle'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've ordered 1.6bn rounds of ammunition over the last 18 months, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit, just more of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arming up against the american people, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Sounds like they need more ammo...'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Just got on, who are you talking about Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'DHS - the US's knee-jerk reaction to 9-11'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I have no idea what that number compares to previous consumption, or to a similarly sized police force.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two orders of magnitude higher than is typical'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even considering the very fast expansion of illegal armed federal goons'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't forget that the social security administration is arming up with shotguns and trained swat teames as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the illegal part'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Seriously Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No joke.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRS are not allowed arms except in the case of tobacco, arms, or alcohol raids'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2012/08/social_security.php <------- Social Security Admin. orders 174,000 rounds of ammo'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, reports of cannibalism in North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are they eating the great leader ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What did I miss?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, has the sky falled down about your ears yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Maher is hilarious'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a mentally ill way, that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What did he fire out of his shit cannon this time tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, just more shit generally'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time i see a clip of him he makes me want to smack him in the face with a baby dolphin'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He is one of the gun ban guys. The type that when asked what he does for self defense answers with "I have armed body guards".'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like mayer homo of ny'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mayor bitch ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cant be mad at a guy who donates $1 billion to his college.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention he is now worth $26 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gotta love NY's "stop and frisk policy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and regulation on the size of soda'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last year he recommended the banning of salt'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a federal law is unconstitutional, which wins, supremacy clause, or 10th ammendment?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '10th'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer is: depends on who is in the supreme court panel at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That clause only applies if the federal law is constitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the trail, snooky, and whom decides that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That is why states are allready putting forth bills that make enforcing federal gun grabs illeagal in those states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely that those laws can be enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I know Tiger. We need Sheriff's to tell them to fuck off. We need people to create a situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best that can come from it is a protracted legal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could escalate into violence, but the defeat of the bill in the senate has made that a more distant possibility now'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Civil disobedience.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN did not specify which laws - the federal kaws or the state laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though expect it to come back again with horns on in April when they try and push total gun ban via the UN Small Arms Treaty'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which laws what, zuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to be ambiguous, Tigerklutz, not going to waste effort retraining a Chemosh wannabe'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'virginia, wyoming, texas, mississippi and tennessee have passed laws making it illegal for local and state police to enforce federal gun control measures, but they could already refuse'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe Texas is the only state that has made the enforcement itself illegal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're unclear on an aspect of my argument, zade, then say so, don't speak in riddles'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely that *those* laws can be enforced" '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i was referring to state laws that make it an offence to enforce federal gun-control laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but are a large number of states are becoming unified against the Obama administration'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know if you could say that, there's a similar direction being taken by many of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, it is a sad time in America when the Republican bullshit is the only thing that stands in the way of yet another right being infringed upon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and is the Obama administration preparing for a civil qwar or at least (what the forcasters believe) a lot of inevitable civil unrest (when the economy of the poor breaks down)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Republicans keep blocking taxation of the rich while refusing to support the poor, something in the economy is going to break'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the democrats keep blocking budget cuts while spending ever more money on crony capitalism, something in the economy is going to break, and other stuff in the economy will remain broken'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most americans are lumbered with a hobson's choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That would make total sense to prepare for civil unrest and it "would" be commendable. If it werent for the fact that that the economy is being crashed on purpose. And civil unrest is being brought about intentionally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though the 5% rich believe the 95% are supposed to be law-abiding when the economy breaks down'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well that's the thing, that's why many libertarians are reaching out to law enforcement and army'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the shit hits the fan, the establishment will try and use the police and army against the people'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was the French revolution, and Russian Revolution, maybe the USA is next'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the whole Dr Garrow litmus test thing last week'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find it has little to do with political ideology, and far more about elitist corps vs the 99%'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ahh yes Tiger, Obama is taking a page out of Hitler's playbook. Remove the good soldiers and police with values and replace them with thugs and goons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll qualify that with "Obama's administration", we know he's just a figurehead, and many of the offenders behind the scene have been there for both Democrat and Republican presidencies'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"at least the trains ran on time'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much as i like a bit of Barry-bashing, it's bigger than him, he's just a handy black person'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an Yncle Tom'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know, I just use Obama's face on it.He is the mascot and thats who they want me to put it on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an "Uncle Tom" from Huckleberry Finn '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, there are rumours abound of a black contender to the leadership of the Conservative party, just more of the same establishment using the fear of racism as a tool'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Race pimping works awesome. Everyone is afraid to be a "nigger guy" as southpark would say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'race baiting makes me sick, and really quite cross'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except the Obama father came from Kenya and not as a slave'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It is effective on a hivemind though Tiger. You cannot deny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, sheeple will be sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Same with tragedy pimping.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when times get tough, people get racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have been all along, there's a radio comedy from the 1950s i listen to a lot, and they take the piss out of then, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Ignorance knows not the color of skin, any race can be a nigger :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1p and 2p coins minted before 1992 are drying up here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'did they change what it's made of post 93?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'used to be 97.5% copper, now copper plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the "silver" coinage, used to be 75% nickel, 25% copper, now nickel plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'original copper 1p and 2p are now worth their face value in scrap metal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'and I remember looking for pre 64 quarters'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cupronickel coins aren't, but were catching up'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'sigh I just realized I used to find them so much more.  I must be getting old'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural thing, all of the pre-1927 1 shilling and 2 shilling coins disappeared pretty quickly because they were 50% silver'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they disappeared in the 1960s'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'and thats what makes metal detecting fun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare payments in Japan slashed 6.5%'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd do that here'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If I am not mistaken, US Nickels are worth their weight in nickel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll probably find they're not nickel anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, they're still cupronickel, but they're looking to replace them'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Would be a halfway decent thing to have a few duffel bags full off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a decent thing to collect'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Along with cigarettes and whiskey and ummm moist towelettes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canadian nickels are nickel plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Dutch queen abdicates, and French troops enter Timbuktu as Islamic militants torch thousands of ancient muslim scrolls stored in a shrine there'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rare coins worth far more than the base metal value (unless they are gold coins)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they think it a good to idea to destroy evidence that islam was once a peaceful religion and that it wasn't the word of muhammed to gouge out the eyes of girls who learn to read'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Timbuktu is where though'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a terrorist religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that the reason those terrorists gave for torching the scrolls, to change the words of Mohammad to their words'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure a reason has been given, but they have already destroyed mosques of schools of islam that are different to their own, and that is their policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inconsistent with that aim'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like, i dunno, catholics killing protestants and vice versa (because that never happened, right?)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so instead of "recovering" ancient scrolls, the terrorist muslims torch them -- maybe the scrolls were not so ancient'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'timbuktu probably has more ancient islamic texts than the vatican does christian ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're uncovering more'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Timbuktu was a scholarly centre in Africa, a book trading town'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Christian codices predate Islam, (unless you meant quantity, and not ancientness)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quantity yes, clearly islam came much later than christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Timbuktu, it has never dropped below freezing since records of temperature were kept there'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that destruction by muslims is evidence that the muslims do not deserve the Temple Mount (since the muslims may be destroying archeological evidence)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are these muslims representative of the wide islamic community?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-qaidah are predominantly salifist'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're fighting 3 wars with militants who claim a religious affiliation.  I think it's safe to say that, at least at this point in time, Islam is a hell of a lot more willing to engage in random violence than christianity is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Salafi... are followers of Sunni Islam, are also related to, or includes Wahhabists'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notable countries where these dominate: Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notable countries which are -NOT- Salafi or Sunni: Iran, Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which list is Egypt on?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'draw  your own conclusions from that'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslims in Israel at the temple mount mosquw did renovations in which the rubble that was discarded contained archeological value -- the accusation may (now) be leveled against the muslims at the Temple Mount that the mislims were destroying archeolgical evidence under the pretext of renovations (or something else)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt were historically Sufi, another branch opposed to the Salifists'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what Muslims do.  They are BAD muslims if they appear to foster another religion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, that last statement reads like nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lemme put it another way: the Quran has a how-to section on how to get rid of other religions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, ambiguous'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is true that islam doesn't allow followers to change religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it goes a lot further than preventing the flock from leaving, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhapos there are several how-to-terrorism sections in the Koran'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, regimes have victimised converts, including imprisonment and execution'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'basically, yes.  But those are "wrong" interpretations similar to Westboro Baptist Church.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would seriously doubt there is anything in the Qu'ran about doing so though'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is.  Genghis Khan would be so proud that his legacy has survived, too, though he might chafe at the gentler scheming that's allowed to go on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Arabs look neither chinese nor mongolian'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the religion of the ancient Egyptians is closer to that of Christianity than that of Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  You know Khan was all about the "do or die" stuff, right?  He was "fair" enough to offer a peaceful defection first, but if you refused to join you were put to the sword.  Women, children, and old people included.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what do you mean if i refused -- if you are attacking, than i am defending and attacking back'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless you somehow fundamentally offended him to the point he is personally going to make sure you and yours no longer have a place on Earth, Khan didn't rush in with guns blazing in the typical American attitude.  He came up and knocked on your door, told you he and his legions would wait a certain amount of time to let those of like mind to cast off their wrongheaded ways and join him, and that anyone left who didn't join would die the next day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nonsense Hanslanda, you are totally wrong.  this is the twenty-first century and Gehghis Khan is long dead and unable to threaten anything against the audience here '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fact you even think that shows me just how mentally unprepared you are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, your choice of words is that of an illiterate'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, your choice of words are seemingly intended to attack insult and annoy the audience (which is bad salesmanship, and is typical of the loser lower class)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the debate "crime" Hanslanda did, was to portray the audience as a victim of Genghis Khan, (and that is somewhat unforgivable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'wait? you're trying to have a 'real' debate here?  Thats Hogwash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'this is for personal attacks and conspiracy theories.  Keep your rational thoughts to yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, he said conspiracy theories, he must be a liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some hints that they may be getting ready to attack Syria with chemical weapons in order to predicate a ground invasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "they" is ambiguous Tigerniuts, unless you mean  couch-potato tv-general nerds that play muds'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but i'd prefer to attack with virals that eliminate muslims, (as the tv-general nerd)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they is British and American mercenaries organising transport of a soviet-era munition from Libya to Russian speaking Ukrainians working inside Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording the attack in order to blame it on the Syrian Army'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is use of chemical weapons "legal" according to the Geneva Convention'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe so'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno what to make of it, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://pastebin.com/Whyvnnd6'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt default will cripple foreign pension funds'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US postal service should close 2000 postage centers, and instead put vending machines for most things in malls, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The federal Gov Siphons 500 billion dollars from the Postal Service every year. If they didnt do that they would not be in the hole right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '500 billion my ass, try $5 billion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it goes to future benefits for postal workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem is, the payments are for workers that have not even been hired yet.....70 years in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well they should fix that lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame congress, they are the ones making the postal service do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm sick of blaming congress. Everyone blames congress except for congress.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blame the specific individuals in congress, not congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Except this time it is actually congress's fault. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress passed a law that required the portal service to pre-fund benefits 70 years in the future for employees that have not been hired yet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$5 billion per year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the same bill, congress also limited the raising of fees and postage costs at the postal service to inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the postal service also has to ask permission from congress to close any of the 32,000 postal offices, or lay off employees.....and you know how hard it to get congress to agree to anything.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'date of the bill was   '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was part of a different bill, go look it up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if recent, unlikely to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not recent, bushyboy was president.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt accounting office did an audit of the postal service and found that 1 in 4 workers was a manager, and making quite a bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They were classified as manager in pay only though....they still did regular employee jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gamestat 12 indicates that this is a cosy 49 member channel'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, it is now a felony to unlock one's cell phone (in the U.S.). Up to $500,000 bucks in fines and/or 5 years in jail. What. The. FUCK is wrong the U.S. congress?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Verizon, AT&T and whoever all get together and bribe congress with a gazillion dollars or something?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'WHo's up for poker?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'flits here briefly .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Had no idea there were so many philippine islands.....more than 7000.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'over 9000!'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '7107'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Permian Basin first oil well, in 1926, extracted 20 barrels of crude a day. Last year, the Permian Basin produced 280 million barrels, or 14 percent of U.S. output, according to the Texas Railroad Commission, which regulates the industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New research is showing that oil and gas fields in the Permian Basin are being refilled by deeper deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Damn, there is a Scientology billionaire.......everyone hide your donkeys!'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the company the guy is ceo of created a drug for a type of leukemia that affects 16,000 americans each year, and the world market for the drug is estimated to be about $5 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is part of a new class of drugs for cancer, that has entered 3rd stage trials.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Humankind has unearthed perhaps a total of 3.3 billion ounces of gold over the course of history, an amount equivalent To a cube of gold 55 feet on a side, but the sea water of the Earth's oceans contain about 25 billion ounces of gold. '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but how much gold is lost per year in products that are not recycled'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most gold still exists either in shipwrecks, or on land somewhere in a vault, or in jewelry, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about those gold sprinkled banana splits -- sb illegal or legal'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gold tinted glass using actual gold -- downtown Toronto Ontario Canada - Bank of Montreal building -- waste or not a waste'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '55 ft cube seems skint '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless 11.4 oz of gold fits into a cubic inch'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck me, Al Gore has said something I agree with'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best write it in your diary'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda funny though since his comments make him a hypocrite: "Our democracy has been hacked.... by big money, corporations designated as persons, anonymous donors'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michelle Obama abandons 'Let's move' initiative for starving schoolkids'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does anyone else suspect like me that Hugo Chavez is dead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so is castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has been television interviews with Castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's had a stroke, but i reckon he's still alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man gets swat-teamed for posting a picture of himself with his 1yr old brandishing an unloaded BB gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the liberal hysteria continues'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you think NBC will deceptively edit it to make it look like the guy was holding his kid hostage in a possible murder-suicide?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't one of the liberal mainstreams get caught using blue-screen to pretend their guy was "at" sandy hook interviewing people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't know why they even attempt that.  If it's anything like the weather, whatever portion of the screen they're blocking shows the white snow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know if it was just a remote interview they were trying to hack to look like he was there (laziness) or it was totally fraudulent. If it was fraudulent, it wouldn't be the first time - CNN got caught "pretending" that a blue-screen outdoor studio ontop of their Georgia studios was "reporting live from Saudi Arabia" during an Iraq scud chemical weapon attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Medical Pressure group pushing for 30c/litre duty on soft drinks with added sugar in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was an argument on BBC about it today, so they want us to go from sugar which causes some greedy people to get fat, to aspartame, which poisons EVERYbody'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously banana-giving golf clap policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should really buy a copy of "Behold a pale horse" and read it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama: "Assault weapons belong in the hands our soldiers, not of the publick. They belong on the battlefield, not on our streets."..........  News headline from a few days ago: DHS buys 7000 fully automatic assault rifles for "personal defence"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'where is the contradiction?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the headline contradicts with the quote'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DHS isn't exactly the public'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're definitely not soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'closer to soldiers than civilians'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they're public servants'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and soldiers aren't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference is personnel trained for war vs personnel trained for beurocracy, information gathering, and basic security work'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at the end of the day, joe schmo doesn't work for DHS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for the most part anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is plenty of argument whether such departments are required at all. Failing that there are specific laws already on the books regarding the arming of certain government department'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a valid argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oooh a political debate... fill me in!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the average cop isn't allowed one, the DHS shouldn't be allowed one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if the cops or the DHS have one, the public should have them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'SWAT teams are cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swat teams are highly trained'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is as it should be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'The teachers should all have assault rifles though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have a specific defined purpose with specific restrictions on jurisdictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem with their exemption to gun bans (that failed) for ex-police and beurocrats'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an attempt to create a "them and us" situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'gun control is a dumb argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun proliferation is a smart one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun control is a dumb argument, gun proliferation is a dumb argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhh i dont agree with that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'gun control is not a debate for or against guns, it's a debate about the rights of americans'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you notice that now that the liberals have lost the gun control argument, they're going after the constitution instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like a child having a hissy fit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if changing the constitution is going to be an easier thing to ram down people's throats than gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when changes are made to the constitution, that is the point of no return'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can only hope this stupid communist takeover is shot down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pure claptrap'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'it will be it seems like Tiger. But it'll come up again. Another mass shooting will "magically" happen again. If you know what I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which:?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the "communist" takeover'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'changing the constitution requires 66% vote in the houses and for every single state to ratify with 66% vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we shall see'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's just a ploy TN, to keep '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people afraid, and malleable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Karl Marx... opiate for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and arming federal goons, taking over mainstream media, and installing a police state isn't part of a federal clampdown'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'setting up the ruling "class" as pseudo-royalty celebrity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the "news" channel with the highest ratings is?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not uniquely'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'journalism is dead in the mainstream media, it exists solely to push corporate or government talking points'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely you realise that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and this ruling class, aren't they referred to as "job creators"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're not, Twyst. Fortune 500 companies haven't created a net new job in the USA in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it pushed gov't talking points, gov't would be a lot more liked'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I am trying to say, is the same people ginning up fear of governement takedown'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are the plutocrats laughing all the way to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not fearful, they're angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are angry as a reaction to fear'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What the media does is not get us to "like" the government, but to make us accept the heinous and illegal things that it does as the norm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fear of marginilization'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fear of the other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non-conformists, twys'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's false TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't conform to federalisation and collectivism, you're a terrorist, that's the DHS line'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would love to conform, just to a reality of their choosing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the liberals are guilty of the very thing you're accusing the reactors of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yup the collective Obama hivemind is helping to make it all happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DHS is not a liberal wetdream, its the right's wetdream'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an AUTHORITARIAN wetdream'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want your "thing"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha okay then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who are screaming about this want freedom and liberty, they want government to get out of their life'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not what current governments want, and it is not what you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have all the freedom you want TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's the dumbest thing ive heard yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, you're only constrained by your personal choices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it just, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i have a house, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst is smoking some good stuff...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'earn enough money to buy one or build it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't, twyst, rules put in by "your lot" prevent me from having the same opportunities my forebears had'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't earn enough money because of the rules?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about money, it's about regulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not sure your what your argument is now Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also about money, but the money is an issue because of regulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it is against the law for YOU to own a house?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i have a gun to defend myself and go hunting?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'about 150 or so countries allow ownership of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mine does not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you chose to live in one which it is not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps i should move to mars, Twyst, is that what you're saying?
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're basically arguing for is "we've fucked it up, now you have to lump it"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because mars is one of the 150 or so countries?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not at all, its a personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'libertarians are definitely the have your cake and eat it crowd'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the millions of people you've supported the killing of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'incorrect twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the millions of people in jail for committing crimes with no victims that you've supported'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't support any of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through your personal choices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people cannot live in the property they would aspire to because of government policy they didn't vote for and don't agree with, if that is "personal choice", then by extension anything bad, despite not being under their control, is down to "personal choice"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a banal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why global government, or at a lower level, EU, or a Federal centrally controlled USA, or a South American union is such a FUCKING BAD IDEA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if/when/as it happens you CANNOT just go somewhere else, you don't HAVE personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you say you are advocating for freedom from government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you really want is freedom from government you don't agree w/'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you're starting to see seperatist movements happening, but because of the iron grip that centralisation has, it's put down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want government freedom from globalism. I want LOCALISM'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK that means powerful local governance independant of the EU with most powers at county level'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many people would it take for you to live in the style you aspire to TN? be honest'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the US that would mean powerful county/state governance largely independant of the federal government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I want my country to be a soverign nation where those elected into office act as servants of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you mean? what's the ideal representative country size?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what %age of population would be needed to transform to this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no I mean, how much labor must go into providing you the lifestyle you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that question requires context, it's somewhat vapid'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger, look up 'The Venus Project' i think it's right up your alley'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no thanks, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay I'll give you context, what do you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you what i want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If I understand correctly, you want to live in a quiet villa somewhere with an acre of land or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's a inventor, scientist, super genius who is redesigning cities that work in harmony with nature and work to humans' strengths'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's pretty rad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so someone will have to build and maintain the house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck that, quelz, i'm phobic of cities and crowds'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'generate power, electricity, gas etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cities are fun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'culture man, culture!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm perfectly happy to be partially energy and food independent. The rest can be sold by the markets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as they always were before government fucked it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'humanity expanded after specialization TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oooh Twyst has got you there TN, without global government home contracters cannont exist!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doctors are around, because someone else takes care of their food'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to a point, twyst, now it has brought mass stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and makes their shoes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and all the necessities of life'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still going at this from a no-society issue, that's not what i was ever advocating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a matter of SCALE of control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a matter of CHOICE'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'WHo's up for poker'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll always be people who want to be specialised, people who want to live in a city'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but like a pendulum it's swung all the way over to one way, and now everyone knows a lot about a little and lack any form of common sense and discernment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result society is a straitjacket for those who don't want to live like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not because of choice, but because of laws/regulations and the effects that they have on society'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, comes back to democracy being two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The bigger you make the democracy, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama knows this, that's why he's trying to leverage society against each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a new trick'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's where we part ways TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you agree that society should browbeat people into conforming?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because in analogies you say two wolves'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but expressly it is Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I.e. one wolf'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you misunderstand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's put it another way'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your democracy contained 3 people, two people wanted to make cannabilism legal, the third did not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who gets eaten?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the thrird would not last long .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you're pointing out the flaw in democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pointing out the flaw in MONOLITHIC democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why the EU is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '3 people isn't monolithic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why a centralised USA is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'scale doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just determines who gets the shit end of the stick'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller scale means multiple democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple democracies means choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that third guy is still going to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the example of 50 largely independant states - you have then the choice to move somewhere that does eat you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'multiple democracies or multi party democracy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with 1 monolithic usa you do not, you get eaten'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple democracies, anangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you leave the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easier said that done'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you change the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you end up with a 1 world government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by convincing enough people you are correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're conceding the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we don't really disagree TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not on some things any ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just don't buy your cure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, well then you should know that everything i argue for and against should be seen within that context'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you should also realise the tools which those that want to centralise use'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media is one of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is what you don't see TN, the reason Obama won is because the right has gone crazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right really hasn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some lawmaker, forget her name, wants to ban abortion in the case of rape as tampering with evidence'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides have been infiltrated by corporate interests, and both a villifying each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the party of "small" government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have only 2 parties... that might be the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the majority of americans don't believe in either party, twyst, it's called the false left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but none of the above isn't on the ballot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I agree w/ Obama 100%? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking shit-ton harder to sort out nutjobs in a democracy of 330 million than in a state of 10mil'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '80%? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama is an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the point of big democracy is that 1 nutjob can't fuck it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would need a majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've GOT a majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we already havea  majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you are FUCKED'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just out of curiosity Quelz, why is Obama an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might ask why given i live in the UK why the USA's implosing upsets me so much - back to your CHOICE issue - USA -was- about the best choice for me to have the aspirations that i had'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's being yoinked from me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know what it feels like to have all of your life's aspirations fucked up by arseholes beyond your control?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i tell you, it makes you really fucking ANGRY'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have to look at the brightside of the coin TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is currently no brightside, this coin has two arsehole sides'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're not starving and destitute'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not sick for all I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not starving yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama is an a-hole bc he believes that he is ALWAYS right, and that he knows what's best for Americans, rather than being more bi-partisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm borderline disabled, and will be in a decade or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that pretty general Quelz, give me a solid example'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to prompt Quelz, but specifically anti-Obama stuff is all the Federalist controls, DHS, NDAA, FISA, Gitmo, Foreign wars, corruption of political process, disregard for the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how about this debt ceiling idea? when in 07 he said it was un-american to raise it... yet he's had the debt ceiling raised several times, and tells Americans that Republicans are the ones screwing us over'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally, had Obama came in, stood up for freedom and liberty, but brought in socialised medicine and higher taxes, i wouldn't have a problem with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a lot on here can't grasp'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i would... '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt ceiling Quelz? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you asked for an example'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same one that was raised 7 times without a peep under Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you asked me why i thought obama was an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two-faced liar?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i gave you an example, i didnt ask you to bring up Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's pretty disingenous though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do left-wingers always bring up Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just the most recent example, trying to jog your memory'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason right-wingers bring up clinton, or carter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try and avoid the conflict,'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all bad in different ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they dont really do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhhhhh, i wouldn't say that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the right-wingers talk about Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blaming the other guys is a typical governemnt tool'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many times was the debt ceiling raised under REagan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't know do you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is that you ask?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you wouldn't ask, because you fall for the right's balogney'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst... get with the program here, im calling out Obama for things he said he wouldnt do, and then did anyway, and you're steady throwing me the BS about other presidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'justify his actions for me would ya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I asked you would you kill someone, what would you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quelz has an extremely relevent point. You cannot use previous transgressions of incompetance as justification'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we deserve better'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst is not very good at debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you don't answer the questions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how people have been trained to think, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not his fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a media thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: ''being good' at debate generally implies being able to throw everything and the kitchen sink in argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'enough with the fanwanking'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'while not actually being productive at ascertaining the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"being good at debate" is totally subjective'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like a "a song being good"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I was trying to say to Quelz, is that situations change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'subjective thought and logic are at odds in a debate ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'terrible answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't be seperated, Tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what situation changed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why was Obama calling out the debt ceiling ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it was being raised to give billionaires tax breaks, and fund illegal wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'as we ourselves are subjective but in a debate I thought objective truth was the goal ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we ran out of money bc our govt is incompitent, so in order for them to continue being incompitent, Obama had to get the debt ceiling raised...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when are dems going to learn that you can spend money to save money'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see that as a goal in debate, anangel, i see furtherance of understanding as the goal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you know what the debt ceiling is Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no im merely debating about it because i have nothing better to do with my time actually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the money is spent, Obama is trying to pay the tab'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'empathic rather than objective then Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the house authorized the spending, but wont authorise the payment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the goal that is '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not solely, Tz, just because i understand an argument doesn't mean i agree with it, but i try to understand "why" something. I put more value on "why" that "what"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why congress want budget cuts, to save the need for raising in future'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wrong again Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're both wrong and right, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'saying I'm wrong Quelz IS bad debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Muddy waters Tiggy .. hope you catch a few fish :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell me why you "think" I am wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'sole food :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments have both required AND optional spending commitments '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt is used when income falls short of expenditure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you basically just said that we continue to raise the debt ceiling in order to make payments, not authorize spending... if that's your argument, you're defeating yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you basically just said we're really screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'has Obama raised spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, he has'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's like me getting a credit card to pay off my other credit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're solution is not to pay it at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the alternative is that the credit card company comes and makes you bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my solution is to create a budget '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'in which case in the future no one is gonna give you a credit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which congress has not done in several years!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, reality check, what congress are trying to do is use the threat of not raising the debt ceiling as leverage to get budget cuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therfore Obama is an asshole right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'instead of asking to raise the debt ceiling, why dont you start trimming the fat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ding ding ding'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why not both'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what congress want, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods tigernuts
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ask the UK how trimming the fat is going Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trimming the fat doesn't work, Quelz, you need to cut off limbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because socialism is taking over in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like liquidate the military!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why they're screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn beams with pride.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -has- taken over the UK, that's why trimming doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav rapidly nods twice at Redryn, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nice pat answers, I feel like I'm watching Fox news'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can go into gory detail if you would like'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Cnn..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so you're a socialist Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No Redryn!  We can't reduce military spending!  If we do, think of all the JUSTICE that won't be done in the world!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a socialist Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you probably don't even know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Jhav!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'damn you're right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'someone who wants wealth redistribution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's just the pat answer, Socialist-terrorist-etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wealth is always redistributed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rise above that, twyst, folks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't want it, it already happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'socialized medicine, the govt to take care of you, bc you believe people are incapable of doing it themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you want... socialized medicine and the like, is what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large swathe of the UK population is dependant wholly or in part on government subsidy. As a result, the cost of living compared to wages has been skewed badly such that if you now try to "trim the fat" everyone suffers really badly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why does the US spend more per capita Quelz and get worse results than countries with "socialized" health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I was arguing about this with someone the other night, Twyst, and it's not as simple as cost per head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'last time i checked, America had the best medical system in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you must have checked a long ass time ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Lets take Canada for instance... there hospitals simply cannot withstand the influx of people that it is FORCED to take care of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your health system got screwed over when big pharma and health insurance companies started ripping people off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Tigernuts, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that socialism though? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'who's medical system is better sonshi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its unbridled fucking capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when government interfered to such an extent with charity that doctors no longer are obligated to offer 25% of their services for free'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many americans know that doctors used to do 25% of their work for free?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask any retired doctors'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'just about none of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government didn't MAKE them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did it because they believed it was their civic duty, often motivated by religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2010/Jun/US-Ranks-Last-Among-Seven-Countries.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but now government is god'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not religious, but even i can see that religion isn't all bad, and now government is trying to do the job that religion originally did, and now there are strong parallels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government -is- almost a cult'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Quelz, your party got its way for 8 straight years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tooks us from Awesome to shit in no time flat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my party?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i call partial bullshit on you, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry, didn't realize you were a fake independent'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont remember subscribing to any particular party'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why so TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The reason you are not seeing the common sense answers to the economy and the debt being answered by either party is because it is being done on purpose. Big government and big corperations have everything to gain from a devalued dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont agree with that statememnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'big companies benefit from a devalued dollar?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bush fucked a ton of stuff up, but you should realise that many economic factors take time to work through. Clinton rid a bubble and did some good stuff, but the biggest clusterfuck he made was removing glass-stegall which enabled banks to create derivatives. He also leaned very heavily on mortgage companies to lend to people who couldn't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nobody benefits from a devalued dollar'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'kinda why the world basis its economy off of America's economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was largely Clinton who started the ball rolling ont he mortgage crisis. Bush didn't do anything to solve it because his lobbyists wouldn't want it changed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, one of the reasons behind the "unskewed polls" failure was that a lot of republican voters claimed to be independents in polls, so they believed that republicans were winning the independent vote, and that republicans were being systematically undersampled...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Makes too much sense Sonshi I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh Twyst... if you want a good example of what big govt does to its country... look at greece'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Quelz, when the dollar is devalued. The lower and middle classes bank accounts are ruined. The billionaires...not so much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or Spain with a 26% unemployment rating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The US could never be greece'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'greece doesn't have sovereign control of their money'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'neither do we'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also in addition, Greece doesn't provide the world's reserve currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we don't ask anyones permission to print Dolllars Quelz, so umm yes we do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is not in control of its own money so i dont know what you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'U.S. should do something like iceland did. Tell the banksters to fuck off and say that their people do not owe any debt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do you know what the Federal Reserve is and how it works?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obviously ya dont'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst, is the Federal reserve private owned or public owned?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please enlighten me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm all ears'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Private'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who owns it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the federal reserve determines the value of our dollar... they print money and take it away at will without consent of anyone'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they are not a govt agency'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ownership and control are completely different things...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and dont need govt's approval to do a damn thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who determines policy at the Fed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fed does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at the fed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'right...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the correct answer is Chairman'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yes, good ole ben bernankie or however you spell it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you become chairman of the fed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are nominated by the president and confirmed by congress....'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to be GP Morgan Goldman Sachs alumni first, you then get said organisations to put your name forward to the executive branch'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz lolz at Tiger
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the president appoints them Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that's the sole participation by our govt in the fed's actions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are confirmed by congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we shall see some funky things happening as fiat currency wars start heating up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not seeing your point Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't say i have the answer, maybe a gold/silver backed currency isn't the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'our currency is backed by gold or silver anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i know fiat currency wars are probably going to be worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'isnt i meant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know, quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'used to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold standard was removed to give governments more flexibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more flexibility to fight inflation and deflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that central banks have been "leveraging" gold supplies, and now governments are repatriating their gold and it's causing some problems?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why investors are going into gold as a hedge against currency devaluation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how does removing the gold standard help fight inflation and deflation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you go from having money being represented by a tangible object, and now it isnt represented by shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so how exactly does that help?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it isn't represented by shit, please give me all of yours :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'printing more money can cause inflation and/or control interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jokes on you, i dont have any'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe you should be a socialist like me then :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a double-edged blade'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no because what i want, and what is good for the country as a whole, are two completely different things'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes they've got you to believe what they want is what's best'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only speak from own experience here: bank saving rates 1.6%, inflation is 2.7%-8% depending on measure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Paris hilton dicking around on TV is really getting us places'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stock markets going up represent devaluation of the currency rather than increase in real value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully you can see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hence why im arguing in favor of more conservative values... despite being a pot smoking, broke, pro-choice, anti-capital punishment person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Quelz!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz smiles
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'We the people... have had enough, now fuck off! ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a conservative value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just mumbo jumbo framing the argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when your govt starts dictating how things are going down in your own personal life... i have a problem with that... and that's what Obama is doing with Obamacare, this gun control shit, all of it... that is the long and short of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason UK isn't going bankrupt right now is that they're devaluing currency just enough to maintain the status quo, but it's making everyone poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dictating things like who you can marry, and whether you can get an abortion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a poor artgument, twyst, government shouldn't be involved in marriage period'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no like telling people they have to have medical care if theyre in a certain tax bracket'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's dictating '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is not illegal to not carry health insurance Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, that's colour of law and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you can be monitarily penlized'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so =! dictating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, this is where you lose all credibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you do or do not do this, this will happen... thats dictating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like personal choice to me, but what do I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we have not made smoking fags illegal!"... but they have made smoking fags just about anywhere in public illegal, as well as making the cost so prohibitively high that many struggle to afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a choice, it's deliberately skewing the choice to force a certain behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz high fives tigernuts
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, let me put my cards on the table, because this is something that Sonshi loves called Pigouvian taxation or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not intended to force behavior'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against there being a duty on fags and booze to recoup the added cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now your talking out of the side of your head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it IS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same thing with health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take obamacare, what is the financial penalty of not having health insurance compared to having health insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont know the complete deets on it, im not in the bracket lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'something like a 1-3k '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the right talks a big game, but when the rubber hits the road'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Jan Brewer- "Obamacare is the devil", implements it in her state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's anything from $0 to $4700 per person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'upon top of which you still have to pay for most of your healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not a tax to pay for the healthcare, it's a penalty for not behaving in the way the government want you to'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not having healthcare when you can afford it is irresponsible, because you will be treated regardless'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will be treated and charged as appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as you have always been'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they will give you a bill for 1 bajillion dollars or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then if you don't pay the taxpayers do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they won't, but if they did that's an issue with costs, not of provision'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i have a belly button'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if they regulate costs that is socialist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'according to the naysayers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you have at the moment with the way things are going is essentially neo-fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason the UK health system is falling apart is because corporate basically run a monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the freedom to make as much money is possible is a good thing as per you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health system is not something you can have a halfway house in'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '60% profit? we need 75% and damn the torpedoes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it either has to be free market, or it has to be closed market'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you go somewhere in the middle and it all fucks up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the middle is a bipartisan compromise'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what we really need is single payer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but that wont happen because of "conservative values"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there is no bi-partisanship anymore... what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both extremes have problems - free market you either have to rely on charity to provide for those who can't afford it or they don't get cover. with the closed market you end up with problems surrounding cost, accessibility, and quality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'take the debt ceiling Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that was bipartisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it's called repubs being pussys'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have 0 leverage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, Twyst, this is where having the debate at a STATE level would be the solution. States that want a closed model can have a closed model, those who want a free market model could have a free market model'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yet still got some of what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that would definitely help Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just end up with 50 of the same system'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they have the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats some leverage...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not possible given the numbers, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you mean the house, and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry you right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't get 1 system because of a split, then you wouldn't end up with 50 of the same, you'd end up with roughly 50/50'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what was stopping Obama from letting the sequester happen and introducing a bill with ONLY  what he wanted?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but yeah, repubs voted to raise the debt ceiling, bc Obama bullied them into, and if they didnt allow it to happen, they would be demonized by Obama and mainstream media, making them look bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about the repubs I'm talking about Obama the non bipartisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wait'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama isn't non-partisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he wanted he could have strongarmed them into everything he wanted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not quite'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have the power to'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he had all the cards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well his pen sure moves fast on those executive orders'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have the congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't need the congress to get what he wanted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he signed 23 in one day, not but a week ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's real bi-partisanship in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'give me a break'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if he let it expire TN, and introduced a bill with everyone earning over 250k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill to do what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me, under'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lower their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would he do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'democrats dont believe in tax cuts, unless you're Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the whole premise was he wanted to raise taxes on all those earning over 250k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you ever notice how Obama uses rhetoric to mask his agenda...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's done so'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't personally agree or disagree with the tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'actually the line went to 400k TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'read the debt ceiling agreement sometime'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he uses that word "revenues" almost every speech... and thats a code word'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'for TAXES'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do you think entitlement reform is Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cutting back the bloated military? reducing subsidies to big business or agribusiness?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need to do is cross reference what he says with what he does, that's where the problem comes in'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no, it is taking grandmas social sec check from 800 a month to 600 a month'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is doing that Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt is the bogeymonster right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it's a real monster'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'reducing the debt involves increasing revenues, decreasing spending, or both'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debt is a problem, it's not the highest on my personal list of issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is it a monster Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well bc we pay 40 cents on every dollar we spend on interest'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that being a big reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cannot prevent the debt getting bigger, then it's a monster'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a race condition'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I ask because from what I've seen so far, you probably believe it is owed to China or some nonsence'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a significant portion owed to China'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1/16 is not significant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it is when they decide to collect'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's over a trillion dollars, don't seek to play it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/16 of a gigantic amount is significant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its all relative TN, don't seek to play it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'question twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do you run your household?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not significant, pay it off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you were so far in debt, what would you do personally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you gonna ask your parents to loan you money, borrow it from your friends, take out loans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'microeconomics =! macroeconomics'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you're not, you're going to tighten up your spending!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the government spends money it doesn't disappear Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about a third of the debt is owned by the government for seocial security programs, so it's selling debt to itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'personally, if I owed 1m to myself, I'd take out another million.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'disappears in inefficiencies imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'question Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'answer twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign debt amakes up just over 50% of US debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm single, but lets assume I have a wife and kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im following you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I give my son 100$, did we as a family lose money?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not until he spends it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but would you give him money for if he wasnt going to spend it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'admin of the money given - first inefficiency - we must have checks and balances .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I give him 100$ for w/e'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he gives his sister 30$ to make his bed or w/e'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and our Economy moves on'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than i ever got lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'passing money around in the same entity is not an economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats the whole economy Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do you think happens in the real world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second the stops, i.e. everyone has the idea you just had, the country goes tits up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'anytime money changes hands there is admin or it invites money laundering .. no brainer ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'money in and of itself is useless Anangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it makes the world go round'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'first lesson of economics is that money is what money does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I get the gold standard deb .. ....'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is why letting the top 1% hoard it is destroying our country'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets' look at this a different way: You borrow money off another country, they use the money to buy infrastructure, resources and influence in your country. who benefits?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the other country...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not us'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'trpile bottom line ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'triple*'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how does helping another country, with our money, help us?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, top 1% hoarding the money isn't great. How is taxing the 99% and/or putting laws in to further clamp down on the 99%'s freedoms or give the 1% MORE freedom helping?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you now have infrastructure you didn't have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the other country has that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you now DON'T have the infrastructure you DID have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'a favour- global stability ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and they can choose not to pay it back...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i totally missed your analgoy then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let's have an example then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'about the household thing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas has highway. They want to expand it to make a North/South corridor for international trade'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"son, I can't give you any more internal household coupons, you'll just have to tighten your belt." "How about mowing the lawn? Could you pay me for that?" "Nah, I really shouldn't hand out any more of those coupons" "Sis, want me to make your bed?" "No way, I'm short on coupons too. I can't do that unless you spend more coupons with me. And you still owe me coupons, by the way." "I can't pay you back unless you hire me to do stuff!" "No, pay me back first, then I'll be willing to hire you again."'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'households opperate on trust - the financial system does not '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead of investing the money in it, they're instead turning it over to a foreign country to expand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that country will own and charge for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would have been more beneficial? Investing your own money it so that you own it, or giving it away and being charged for it's use ad-infinitum?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would they do that though?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism? greed? kickbacks? who the fuck knows, but they do it here in the UK, they do it in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stimulating another countries' economy does not help yours, and having your economy stimulated by another country, does not help yours...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'epic greed, grotesque stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really doesn't matter what you believe is the motive, it's still happening, the destination is the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what annoys me about the people who call me a conspiracy nut. Doesn't matter why soemone is nuking you, the result is the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tell me what's fucked up. In my parents' generation, if the council wanted to build something and didn't have the money, they would issue 5 or 10 year bonds to the local people and local businesses and get it built'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they just hand cushy PFI deals to big corporations that cost an absolute fortune, you essentially end up "renting" access to the infrastructure for a 50-100yr contract at the end of which you STILl don't own the infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and since our economy is so fucked, getting bonds is pretty much a dumb idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why people are buying gold'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's tangible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it has value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the economy will fall if/when faith in bonds fails'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the value of tangibles is shooting up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'value of intangibles is dropping :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i need a drink'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the economy is shitty for some'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes back to the stock market, the stock market is up not because the economy is doing well - clearly it isn't, it's going up because the value of the currency is going down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never been better for the wealthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst, i bet you believe the 1% needs to be taxed more dont you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sure do Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a shame, since the 1% write the rules and will make sure they're exempt from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'failure of enforcment, not of principle TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so what created american exceptionalism exactly then Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's enforced correctly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'American exceptionalism is a canard Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ooh a word im unfamiliar with!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'google!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but during this exceptional period what were the tax rates again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rules are written by the 1% specifically to provide themselves with exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my point is that policies, ideas, laws America had in place was what allowed that 1% to become that 1%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why change it then Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now America demonizes these people for being successful'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had very high income tax rates in the 1950's and 1960's, records show that almost nobody paid them - did that mean there were no rich people in the USA during that period?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon man, get real'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'screw rates TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what was tax income as a share of GDP?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is it now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and what is the trend'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have your historic stats to hand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK the trend is generally upwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the more well off people in the state of new york pay upwards of 60% of their totaly earned income to taxes, if you factor in federal tax, capital gains tax, land tax, home owners tax...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you think that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're out of your gourd'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's typical here too, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i duck the property tax element on account of being homeless'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and yet Twyst wants the taxes on these people even higher? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger, i think Twyst is in a place where he wants his cake and eat it too'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's the mind trick, they argue for higher taxes for the rich. What it ultimately ends up as is for higher taxes for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'trickle down economics'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the bill gets paid TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the rich don't pay it the poor do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the debt balloons'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'umm no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'poor people cant pay what they dont have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ummm yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is sales tax Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh and btw, not paying taxes isnt a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger government gets, the less it provides and the more it costs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont have to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sales tax you do... but sales taxes are state regulated, not federally regulated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes can never be avoided Quelz except in an Anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont have to pay federal taxes twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's not a crime to not do your taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so you don't pay federal taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you catch a lot of shit for it, but it still isnt illegal to not pay your taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's colour of law, Quelz, i don't think it's terribly helpful to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sweet that's a 35% pay raise.  Thanks Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no i pay taxes razkin, bc i dont make a lot, so i get it all back every year'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so of course i file'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know what you say if legitimate, but it's not helpful'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, but still, I know the argument that you're making, but I don't know many people that simply dont' pay their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the IRS doesn't tend to lose those types of cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as in never ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, thats why i said you catch a lot of shit for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you fail to pay your federal taxes, you will be unable to leave your state, not be able to buy a gun, and possibly be barred from healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get raped in prison, I wouldn't really call that catching shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was merely stating that it isnt illegal to not pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people who go to jail for tax evasion have broken more laws then simply not filing their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'all I know is I live in Illinois, fairly close to Cook county, so taxes make me sad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois was touted the otherday as the worst state to live, both for economics and freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'seriously though, California and Illinois are like your crazy aunt that's never heard of money management'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you say Illinois and California are left-leaning or right-leaning?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'LEFT'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Hardcore Left'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you nuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I feel very alone here :('
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, devils advocate :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about Mississippi or Lousiana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i immediately thought that was Twyst lolz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are their budgets screwed, or are they just poor?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ironically, if you go south in Illinois, you run into a lot of conservative thought, but most of the state lives near Chicago, and most of it is Liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though a couple of pockets here are conservative, but not many'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's anywhere Razkin big city - left... rural - right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's right, Quelz, and guess what? that's why they're trying to force people off rural and into cities'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, but or some reason, here it extends into the suburbs, well, most of the suburbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural = producers, city = consumers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens when you dispense with all the producers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if Twyst wants a good example for what can happen to your economy when you let nutjob left wingers get ahold of your economy, then he has to look no further than Cali or Illinois'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago particularly, nice safe place there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no crime, high living standards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Missippi and Lousiana are such great places to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they've never heard of gangs in chicago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, this isn't terribly fair is it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Oklahoma Alabama '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'guess where Obama was a senator from?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people would be amazed how the gangs have moved out into the suburbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poverty is not left or right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you seem to be just picking on more southern type states becase you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's one of those things that people don't talk about, but everyone kind of knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without really having an argument at all on that front'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm picking on states that vote overwhelmingly republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah they tend to have lower sales taxes, if none at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do people from Alabama complain about poverty?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '9% in Louisiana'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on everything including food and medicine'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but not only that, thye want to eliminate state income tax and recoup it all from sales'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i said tend... meaning some, not all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you're nit picking because you want to be right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay lets go to the google'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the argument again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and see which of these states I just listed doesn't have sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets look at the states without an income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bet my bank account it is none of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wyoming, texas, alaska, washington, tennessee, nevada, florida, new hampshire, south dakota... how many of those states' economies are screwed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sales tax is inherently regressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'none would be the correct answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Nevada? hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Florida?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it wasn't for shale oil, South Dakota would be an afterthought'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there with regressive/progressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that has only recently had an affect on their economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's coloured language'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not colored its the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i think only people could be coloured? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '(just a joke)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that the cost of -anything- is regressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst, you're white arent you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a sales tax is regressive because you are more likely to spend all of your earned income if you are poor TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't see how that could be debated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'coulda fooled me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progressive/regressive language implies that one is justified over another'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not that it matters, but what is your ethnic background if you dont mind my asking'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'one is more ideal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont worry im not trying to get into a racial thing, just curious as to your background'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-at best-, it's just a description'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was born in northern Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im a cracker lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bet you're one of those that think relativity is a liberal plot!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lived in Oklahoma for 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that i am sorry for'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you in Oklahoma when the Feds blew up that building?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Timothy McVeigh? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't just him, you know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the only conspiracy theory i really subscribe to is that 911 was an inside job'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Terry Nichols helped also'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to go off topic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you have against smaller democracies, twyst? Why are you so pro-centralisation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ironically Quelz I also vote against my best interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in raising taxes on the better off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smaller democracies by nature tend to be more centralised.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, I lived in Oklahoma'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i think Sonshi missed your point tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if those jackasses were the ultimate authority, you can say game over for that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, he does that, don't let it upset you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then game over for that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least they're only screwing over that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's much easier to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in a perfect world the federal govt should provide its people with only 3 things (now how exactly this would be achieved would be a feat in itself, given our current state of affairs) but they are Education, Healthcare, Protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi often advocates Singapore as a shining example, when in fact it's a prime example of a small democracy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe, but they along with others who complain the most'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not even that, quelz, protection really is it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are living high off the hog'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... which is easier to achieve centralisation with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the federal gov't is a raw deal for lot of blue states'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'missing the forest for the trees, and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, twyst, then change it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'aww silly foreigner, botching american euphimisms lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jk Sonshi '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Idioms, but no need to be nitpicky :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the federal gov't is screwing everyone, why support it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a small number of people to blame when things go wrong. Keeps them more alert since they can't scapegoat as easily.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the big lie TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you right twyst.. i is tired'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that the right wants smaller government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i quite agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the bigger the govt gets, the more they fuck up, plain and simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well now that you both agree I guess we can stop here :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's like life long criminals... they dont start murdering people... but they eventually become so fucked that they commit worse and worse crimes...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the govt keeps graduating to more and more stupid levels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's no wonder they screw up, when you keep voting in people who believe that govt necessarily screws up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we all agree, so w e all agree that what Obama is doing with respect to centralisation of power, police state is wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well we have only 2 choices every 4 years... that's half the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we agree on that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave aside healthcare and taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ive concured witha that this whole time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the police state is wrong, but I don't blame that on Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then who?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree with that, but I also think that a lot of people have an inherent desire to hand control over to other people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not on obama, blame it on the federal government machine'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not everyone, but a lot of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you guys don't understand is that Obama is not a rightist or a leftist, he is more a pragmatist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry to come and go in the conversation, but I'm multi-tasking atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can never get all of what you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abdication of responsibility, razkin'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe that, twyst, i think he wants people to believe that, but i don't think it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I disagree Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has very strong political roots that are definitely anything but pragmatist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I believe Obama believes that mumbo jumbo about protecting Israel at all costs? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck Israel..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I won't call him a socialist, but I'm not sure you can go much farther left and not be one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but if you don't abase yourself to Israel you can't be elected in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we got our own problems to deal with'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so on and so forth in a multitude of other issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the only reason Obama isnt more left is because we have republicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Razkin Obama isn't a leftist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the goal posts have just shifted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, i'd disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to be a conservative now vs maybe 10 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be a ravening slobbering at the mouth purist now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '10 dollars in spending cuts to 1 dollar in taxes = no longer acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how have the goal posts not shifted?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, if you want to make an argument that both philosophies have shifted too far from the center, I'd agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, Obama started his political career in the Socialist party, it doesn't get much more left than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Reagan raised taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not more happy with all the extremist coservative talk as I am with all the extremist liberal talk'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he would fail Nordquists purity tests today'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from an outside perspective, they're mostly foaming-at-the-mouth right wingers... obama just foams a bit less.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama started his political career in Bill Ayers house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Rubio was afraid to say on television wether he believes the earth is 6000 years old or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, Obama is a cult of personality - he was chosen for the fact that he's a slick, comparatively young lawyer who has the face, has the talk, and is BLACK'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you know anything about bill ayers, then that should scare the shit out of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Quelz, its nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just more talk radio bull'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still think Obama won because people were voting against the past 8 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, quelz, be more worried about Frank Marshall Davis Jnr'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there all political terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they're'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of his personality, I think it was a backlash that won him his seat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, position'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama worked with Mayers on some dodgy Chicago mafia property con, that's about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I might believe that Raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he hadn't beat hillary clinton and Robme'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and nothing to do with the guy running against him being kind of crazy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I also think at the time Hillary was carrying too much baggage with her, warranted or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Obama isnt black'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bs Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he's mulato'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'half white also'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'McCain I think was perceived to be too much like Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he wasn't president, I bet he would get stopped and frisked in New York with all the other blacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I dont' think that is completely off base'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't jet black, if you excuse the language'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, you mean 4 years ago...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has white heritage as well as black'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'McCain is unstable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is unstable and Biden isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and old..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I'm not talking the current one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'McCain wanted to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and though Palin was a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he also wasn't going for vice pres, but top dog'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '4 years ago you could run a rag doll against any republican you could find and win...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Biden doesn't know who the president is half the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Biden has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Biden might be dumb, but not unstable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and then put his other foot in '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unstable but suffering from alzheimers, great'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't we just have honest people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Honest people finish last'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happen when society gives up on their principles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Just ask huntsman'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes back to the pushing power down to state level again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local people voting for local people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bachman keeps getting elected in her homestate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Bachman is another one that speaks before she thinks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'local isn't always better'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this will get you nowhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that all day long'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, between an incumbent that lies once in a while, and an opponent and his running mate that lies consistently... the opponent got 47%. What does that tell you about how much people care about lying?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the award for the dumbest thing said thus far in this debate goes to....Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst: 'Honest people finish last''
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, Sonshi, that might be how it is, doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you cant be serious?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no wonder youre a left-wing lib'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hahaha, you kill me Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you did ask why you can't have honest people...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually quelz, it's horrid, but it's alrgely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's your answer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having attitudes like that doesnt help though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'an attitude resembling the truth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between accepting something exists, and agreeing with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not saying i dont agree in some way, but proliferating ideas like that are the exact reasons our country sucks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst is accepting it exists, sonshi agrees with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't ignore things you don't like Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is why the right lost the last election so spectacularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither should you submit to thing you don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'true, but accepting it is bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the world is in shit right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and twyst is accepting of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is he?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think they lost spectacularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'seems to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Karl Rove losing his mind live on air'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ron paul '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people keep saying that, but to me, a spectacular lose would start eating into your base, which didn't happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mitt Romney with only an acceptance speach written'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't, razkin, another thing the left currently doing to further destroy the gop'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, the republican definately were behind the times in this election'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the GOP by all rights should have won'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you really want better politicians, you really need to start voting for the lesser evil. Staying at home and whining that politicians are all evil/dishonest/whatever, or worse, voting for the greater evil, isn't just part of the problem. It's most of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the economy is still in the shitter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, it was Romney's race to lose, but he gave it up big time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they werent behind the times, obama is just too far ahead '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compromising with evil is what screwed everything up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but part of that was still how they were reading their own polling data and how they were choosing to spread their message'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the gop just wanted to slow shit down, while obama was full steam ahead, guns blazing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do not join with Mordor!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you're part of the problem...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i'm part of the solution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im just alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same here Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what solution? Sitting around and whining that your country has gone to pot?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just do this to kill time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is voting for the lesser of two evils working out for the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not part of anything, what i say his little to no bearing on anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is voting for the lesser of two evils working out for the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how would anyone know? It hasn't been tried!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if we went to pot we'd all be much better off, if you catch my drift'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not voting is essentially voting for the greater of two evils though TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts Takes Two Hits Off A BlUnT And Passes It To Quelz!!
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the greater evil keeps getting voted in, obviously the evil will keep increasing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you don't vote for evil'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if only it was real, im out of drugs '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're increasing the marginal profit for evil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move to oregon/washington state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or colorado'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it's expensive there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and wayyyy tooo many white people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Quelz about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought you were a cracker? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even remotely as expensive as it is here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but i got a little soul my friend... i like culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i chill with "the brothas" a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, a thing is coming'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whenever you have a high concentration of just one race, things get all screwy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US might not be improving at a continues rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but for a long time it has been a great place to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why change the formula'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been a great place to live and is fast becoming worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger hit the nail on the head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK used to be a great place to live, it's getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia was a great place to live, it's getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, misery loves company, and the U.S. is doing it's best to become the U.K.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'give us another 20-30 years and we might get there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me an English speaking country where things aren't getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm getting tired of the nanny state mentality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dunno about English speaking, but what about Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sweden has it's own problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Norway'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nanny state socialist heaven and a frigid climate to go with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'strong social safety net, good health, good education, happy people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you've quite grasped the idea of "freedom and liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'low income inequality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people taut their health care, but there's some major issues with it that people just tend to ignore'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Razkin person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the UK health system'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'scandanavia is one of the best places on earth to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well TN you think you have it bad there, come here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this was 50 years ago i might have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely wouldn't right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WHAT is the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it good that it's going to shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just in terms of healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is that ok?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have complaints about the NHS, come here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for my personal circumstances it would be no worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you haven't been screwed over until you've dealth with an insuarance company'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in the USA i'd be paying for my own treatment, so there'd be no difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps a little more freedom over the treatments available'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'You REALLY haven't been screwed over until you date a horrible girl :PP'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would pay for your own treatment if you "could"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but healthcare isn't top of my list of concerns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise you wouldn't be getting treated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not except when i can afford it, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NHS doesn't treat me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'thankfully our health care plan is pretty good, had to get a ct scan last summer and it cost 7k, we only had to pay 120 dollars after insurance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing you can afford insurance and they didn't decline you for preexisting or spending all you allotted funds then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not quite sure how that fits in, but I thought I'd share it :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still don't think you get it, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well yeah, but it wasn't a preexisting condition, but I get what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay full wack for what treatment i get now, the NHS does not provide it, nor do they subsidise it, neither do health insurance cover it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'always willing to learn new things TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be no diferent in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well unless you are getting your balls botoxed smooth, sounds terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'referring to earlier arguments, it's often misunderstood what the healthcare does and does not to hre'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except that the same treatment could cost several times more in the US, on account of there not being a free/cheap alternative.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a trauma it's great, if you get cancer or a communicable disease, it's ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a long term degenerating condition, it's fucking rubbish'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is still sweet TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'compare to here it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'id rather pay more to get better and quicker health services'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? it costs me a similar amount here for the national health service than it would for private health cover in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it would cover much the same stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'rather than be put on some waiting list to get a flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have trauma, cancer or communicable, degenerating condition and no money? better luck next time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'IMHO health care shouldn't be a commodity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if that's socialist oh well'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already had this argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets run with your premise TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's premise?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'go with UK system where some people get shafted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or go with US system where the majority do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a false comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in your case'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd characterise it a different way'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the people getting shafted are those with degenerative conditions who could afford better care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. some'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the USA a few people are underpresented with care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK everyone is presented with poor care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like 10% or more'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i havent had health insurance... ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have no care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '60% or more have shitty care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nor have i had a bank account in over 7 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is a bank ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a place where you keep money you don't immediately need'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they can loan it back to you at usurious rates :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, no.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use a credit union if you can, it is the only smart choice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'always have, but I condsider them to be practically the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you are not smart.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Credit unions are completely different with different rules that govern them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with socialised medicine is that it leads to rationing based on cost, and leads to unjustified social control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'credit unions are banks - the pure profit motive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with free market healthcare is that it leads to access based on income'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i can see there is no panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'glad you see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, credit unions are coops, and the profit is shared with the members.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said it an hour ago when we talked about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also said that hybrid systems are where the corruption occurs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'through my credit union, the mortgage on my house is at 2.1 % for a 15 year mortgage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fixed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fixed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forever?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all are speaking greek to me now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for 15 years, or whenever before that I decide to pay it off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's unheard of here. Even fixed-rate mortgages here only fixed for 2-6 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the lowest bank mortgage rate right now is 2.25 %'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'rates are historically low, and credit unions don't have to make gargantuation profits'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the longer they are fixed, the more expensive they become'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chepest rates here around 4.5%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical mortgage rates are 4% above base'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i would be extremely nervous about buying right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still remember 15% interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'practically highway robbery'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically 5% interest rates were typical, thus mortgages at around 8-9%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure I'd ever buy a house again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, attach this to the fact that a typical small rural property here costs 10-15x typical wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I get why people do, but I don't think people get out of it what they think they will'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and there's still this mentality that a house is an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'better than renting and paying off your landlords mortgage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is an investment, if you own it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a house is an investment vehicle if you are smart about it, but if you intend on living in the house...then it isnt an investment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Razkin, it was that which led the the fucking up of the housing market in the UK between 1970 and now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '10-15x typical annual income?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Elf'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most of the research that's been done on it shows that if you hold a house for thirty years, and take into account upkeep and improvements, you break about even'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats if you are lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for almost everyone, a house is more of a forced savings'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that's if you don't refinance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'break-even includes the cost of rent somewhere comparable?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like I said, if you own it, it is an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you rent, yes you're paying off other people's mortgage, but you tend to be able to put more away'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that it wont be possible to make money from just "living" anylonger. Those times are in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I suppose if you can own it very quickly, but even then, the longer you hold onto it, the more maintenance you'll put into it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people dont' calculate the other costs, usually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they simply look at the fact they bought it for 100k and sold it for 300k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but ideally it will grow in value, offsetting maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are capable, I would get a bank loan of around $300k and then go to some city where the houses are around $30k each and buy 8 of them, and do cosmetic fixups, and then rent out the houses.....the rent on a $30,000 house is much much higher than the mortgage payment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they forget that over 20 years they may have put 100k into improvments, or repairs, or whatever else'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'answer majic's question please..... kinda key'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im off ladies and gentleman, my brain is sufficiently fried for one aardwolf session'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I'm not saying owning a house is bad, just that it's almost never an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unless you can flip it around for significantly more than what you paid for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really supposed to be an investment per-say'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, but people think it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are it will work out cheaper than renting in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an investment in your family's future'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'later raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your more purchasing a lifestyle than an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's been fun twyst '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'later Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate has made more millionaires than anything else......because you are supposed to buy during the recession or depression, and rent them out forewer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really, you could save more and invest more without a house, at least usually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the housing market tanks, you still own the house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it will eventually come back'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on what kind of a house you buy, how much houses cost compared to renting, property tax, utilities, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get a mortgage more cheaply than rent right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if you're young enough, you're ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the stock market is for dummies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with interest rates at historical norms, it works out about equal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh for sure, but for instance, my wife and I lived in an apartment before this house, it was only a few hundred square feet smaller, but cost almost 900 dollars less'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I didn't have to pay for repairs, upkeept, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also depends on whether you are handy enough to do your own repairs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I had more money invested, and saved, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, rents are growing much faster then in any other time in US history.....all those former home owners still need places to live.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, my wife and I are considering getting rid of our home'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's also the "freedom to move" vs "desire to settle long term" argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're lucky, we live in a rare area where our home hasn't really devalued much'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I hadn't gotten there yet, Tiger, but that was going to be my next point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if your financial situation changes, it's easy to adjust your living situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'much hard to do in a home'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it makes me angry when pro-renters push that as a norm, it's an entirely personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it certainly isn't something that you should jump into blind, which a lot of people do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just saying that I don't think people look at the whole picture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot from both angles, raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I run into a lot of people that buy a home because everyone tells them they need to buy a home, and that it's a good investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all things being equal, renting is better than owning'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, vice versa that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m just saying that people need to step back and really think about what it is that they want out of a home, and why they're buying it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people are sheep.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things aren't equal, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it takes extraordinary circumstances for the opposite to be true though TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, either way, I'm going to go take a shower :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are young, I say just buy a van and live in it while working, and save your money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'houses in general and land in particular will only appreciate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'over the long haul, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'later'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'just hope that you're not at a point in your life where you don't have the time to wait, but either way, take care, was fun as always'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much illegal here, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also not very practical given the climate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you'd need a good winter-camping sleeping bag'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel reportedly launching airstrikes on Lebanon/Syria border overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th quarter US results show 0.1% contraction in gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'so, pretty much 0'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the cliff..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'School threatens to suspend 5yr old for gun made out of lego'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when does the hysteria end?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Are you suggesting a nonzero amount of tolerance for guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple facing 60 days in jail for rescuing injured baby deer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'govt spending plunge, growth negative. Nothing much new on that front...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.learnliberty.org/content/are-poor-getting-poorer?utm_source=Video%20Viewers&utm_medium=video%20annotation&utm_content=Social%20Justice%202%20-%20Opps%20annotation&utm_campaign=General'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Wow, that almost made sense for a moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'But they never bring up things such as inflation and the cost of items in 1976 in comparison of today'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Krache, if they didn't account for inflation it means the well off have got poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Hey Joe," Santelli said, "when you act like Europe, you get growth rates like Europe, and our discussions with economists sounds like we're in Europe. They have the same discussions constantly."'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(moving on)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I am not arguing that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when is world war 3 going to break out think that will get economy going'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Youtube set to introduce paid subscriptions. Who -didn't- see that coming?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would NEVER! pay for youtube'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you me both, kiddo'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I could pay for good content via youtube. Not videos of stupid cats, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Paying for YouTube wouldnt be a bad idea, it does cost money to run afterall'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It could still be free, but paid gets faster downloads etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the advertisers pay the owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'probably paid skips ads, faster dl'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean stream, not download?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muggers in South Africa are targetting black people for their DREADLOCKS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ya'll still going at it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we took a break'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i took a nap lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so who is into stocks and what is your take on the auto industry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"no"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not into stocks, but i wouldn't buy auto shares period'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil, shale gas, arms and weaponary'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not auto'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an industry hiding huge amounts of losses, insanely competitive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the prestige car manufacturers investing in china might be worth a punt, like Range Rover, Audi, BMW, Mercedes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's reliant on China not collapsing or going to war'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'china and india have very low cars per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also have terrible roads and extreme poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'poverty should decrease over time in those two countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well they are able to be very competitive in labor prices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'flexible solar panels are great.....128 watts for $240 now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't translate into wealth, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and teh savings rate is pretty high in at least china'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i suggested the prestige car market'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where most of germany's export rises are going'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor chinese will buy cheap chinese cars, not a ford or a chevy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well ford will be opening a plant in india which should help they cost of fords for the Chinese '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be a while before it helps'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they are selling fords in china 20% groth in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best it might offset losses in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and ford is gaining market share in hybrids in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft, hybrids'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are a waste of money right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hybrids are bad for the environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'maybe a waste but people still buying'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that many.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rich dumb people, celebrities and liberals mostly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why bad for environment compared to regular'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less than 100k a year total.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batteries, elchana'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those lithium batteries use a metal that is extremely rare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'require insane amounts of scarce resources to make, huge amounts of co2 to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the supply of lithium is really really low.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't last'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you have not heard daimler ag ford and nissan joined up to work on fuel cell rechnology'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless, just run hydrogen cars'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fuel cell technology is almost as old as batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nasa was using fuell cells in the 50s and 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'still not cost enffective to do fuel cells'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas cars make more sense, and it will lead into hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASCAR is considering switching to methane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methane is the most abundant organic compound on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'CH4 - lets hear it for H !'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no wonder i fart a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is issues with nat gas'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the amount of methane in the atmosphere has increased to 1800 parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'works great for fleets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how you planning to extract that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but really would make more sense to convert gas to liquid fuels then use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is sad when it is flared off because we dont have the willpower to connect those sources to the natgas network.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Waste Management by using waste gas is becoming one of the largest producers of alternative power.  Another revenue stream other than waste collection.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water treatment plants could do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Factory farms could harness all that poop power to reduce its costs, and better compete by lowering prices for meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but poop is good fertilizer too'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the crap left over from producing methane gas is used for fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i guess they get gas form it first'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the sewage plants, garbage dumps, and factory farms in the US, if they were producing methane for power could power about 5% of the country.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so cant batteries be recycled?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'as in fixed up and good as new?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well yea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'recovery of the materials in them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'covert those back to original form'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and reconstruct battery'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some of the chemical processes that happen in some of the batteries are reversible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but that's not true for all of them unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'gift'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well as long as material is not lost i would think that with enough processing it could be recovered however some processes would not be cost effective'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eh, the genius of American law.  In Virginia, a bill that outlaws an unmarried couple from living together ($500 fine and 60 days jail time) also applies to sex in public places.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so partially right law, wrong reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, two laws mashed together because one part perhaps was thought to be unsuccessfully passed on its own.  The two are completely unrelated to each other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US congress does this all the time, hoping to pin the other side in an objection they can't defend.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the last execution of this law was back in the 90s, when a state inspector had a daycare license pulled because the daycare worker had a live-in boyfriend at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's something that could be fixed in the USA system, need to prevent riders in bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fucknut way of governing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'There would be a rider on the bill stopping riders'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's been such a run on gun sales that gun traders are turning up with wadges of cash at police gun buy-back schemes to buy up all the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market in actionm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and funny as hell imho)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'yep, just what I want a gun I buy at the gun shop connected to a murder'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really thought buyback programs were all about getting guns off the streets?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the threat of gun bans is an amazing marketing strategy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun sales from dealers are registered, aldreas'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have a receipt registered with nix'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whatever it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they should just threaten to ban weapons every year and then stop the bills from passing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, most guns sold at these buybacks are duffs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'wait so are the dealers buying guins from the people who are interested in the buyback program before they do it?  Or are they buying the guns from the cops?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, pre-cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was in a gander mountain the other day... you had to take a number inorder to get service'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at it this way, the gun traders are short of parts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'lol, thats a way to uh... break it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only recycling, the authoritarian liberals should be happy!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I have a buddy who's been buying those thirty round magazines waiting for the ban to profit out of it... he's never even owned a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'liberals want gun bans, not less guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'll make him much, they won't be illegal everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that way, when crime goes up and people call for action it'll be Big Brother who can rush in and save the day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big brother can kiss my arse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'It's just hillarious to me that he hasn't shot a gun or owned one but has a box of magazines to sell'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats happening with that thing in texas where it would be illegal for feds to come in and confiscate weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what wrong with 30 round mags any ways ... most leathal shooting in the us to date(VT) was done with pistols'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare you bring facts into a devicive debate based off baseless soundbites trying to provoke a reaction to attain a political goal!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare you!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 6 50 round mags and they work great.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Not a thing, just struck me as odd that buddy was buying them considering he has NO experience with guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those shootings were the result of massive demonstrations in response to an offensive gun-control video.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever next? next you'll be pointing out that almost every mass shooting murder since the 1980s the shooter has been on SSRi medication'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it'll be the sky falling down on heads!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole gun would have to be redesigned though to use a smaller clip......it would pretty much destroy it....so I am guessing Belgium will just stop selling them in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'what kind of gun is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'P90'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just ordered 5 of them, $1400 each. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why would gun design need to be changed for smaller clip'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 3 50 round clips for each one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, riz, you'll have the feds bursting down the door shooting you as a tea party alqaeda terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'lol the p90 brings back memories of counterstrike and bunnyhopping'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, take a look at the gun, it uses a horizontal 50 round clip.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and did you know DHS documents said tea party members joining up with al-quaeda is an outcome they've planned contingency for?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone in the government machine has been drinking their own kool aid'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're watching the Sisters of the Heavenly Grace for terrorism ties, it's not really that surprising.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you can allways keep the dimensions of the clip the same but limit what can go inside'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention commissioning TV series to try and create the illusion of realism for the idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It seems to me tho, those intelligent gun makers in Belgium will just come out with a multi clip gun to bypass the 10 round clip rule.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'buyer's remorse for those 5 p90's already, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I love the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I have 6 of them, not 5'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the mp5 is great for destroying watermelons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sonic weapons are so cool'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are good'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'don't tell a liberal that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal is a bit of a hijacked term don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am liberal when it comes to guns, everyone should have one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we call "liberal people" really are the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'amen to that riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hell if 10% of the population carried and most of the no carry zones were eliminated a bunch of problems would not arrise'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'crazy people and criminals would not stop being either just because the good guys were packing heat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'once they commit to their chosen course of action, they're still going to whip out and try to shoot somebody.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'need to find the article but there was a place that was having high crime rates to the made it an ordinace for everyone to carry ... crime rates plummeted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was georgia somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iirc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and there are studies suggesting that when people are in a crowd and they are aware of the capabilities of those around them, they tend to avoid acting themselves.  So you can't exactly count on the average joe who notices a gun being drawn to draw his own and shoot the bastard, since he's probably thinking you're going to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wild west was not tamed because a few sheriffs but instead because the citizens armed them self and formed posses to hunt down the criminals'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well you should never just draw and shoot someone just because you see them drawing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'especially if there were allready shots fired'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would be very flawed logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you wanna go after the criminal shooter not the defending shooter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think what you probably want to do is leave shooters alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not leave them alone.  Mandatory psych evaluation and all that other aftermath stuff they make cops and federal agents do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'first thing you want to do weather you are armed or not is hit the floor and seek cover and then figure out what the hell is going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sort of stuff can be found independantly, but I doubt many can afford it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i argued right at the start of the gun debate that you want a "gun owner" license that goes hand in hand with training and proof of ownership of correct storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with yearly renewal for your medical background checks, but with judicial oversight and correct grievence procedure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea like the two cops in nyc that shot like 16 rounds at a shooter that was maybe 15 ft outside empire state building, they hit 3 bystanders and another 6 got injured by fragments'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see video of that cop at a protest threatening a guy with a bubble-maker that if a bubble touched him, they'd arrest him for assaulting a police officer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'more criminals are shot and killed by citizens than by cops with way less bystander casualties'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was a rolling shootout here once between DEA/ATF and gangbangers with something like 4 feet of space separating all involved.  Everyone emptied their clips, but the only things hit were the buildings they were passing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a perfect world.....every good citizen would have a gun and know how to use it well....would practice with it to keep skills honed....and when an evil doer tried to cause harm....the good citizen would blow the evil doer to hell.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in that world, there would be many less evil doers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'riz what do you think about yearly qualifying for CC permits'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as it was every other year, and you could do it at your gun range.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'every other yea would work too possibly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'idea is to have CC people have the judgment of when to use their firearm and to be accurate when it is deemed nessasary '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some guy drove his car into the wrong driveway, and the owner blew him away.....the owner should be charged with murder and put on trial.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably will'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the driveway of a house is considered public property, and you do not have the right to shoot someone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on what the driver was doing once he got out of his car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter, it is public property.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'almost like the drunk dude in colorado that lost his keys and broke his neighbors window thinking it was his house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what idiot decided that your driveway was public property?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The driveway has been considered public property for a very long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it is here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because it is directly connected to the road.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Don't know of any states which allow you to use deadly force for someone simply stepping foot onto your property, without any other threat of harm. lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'personally i dont think i would shoot someone through a door unless i had very good reason to think they were armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the person does not cause damage to said property to get onto the driveway, it is considered public property in that instance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the solution is put a locked gate up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'What state are you referring to anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im sorry but shooting someone for driving on to your property is excessive use of force'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undoubtedly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'nah it's not excessive it's murder/attempted in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And I think most, if not all, courts would agree =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, just put up a gate to protect your driveway, that negates the public property law regarding driveways as long as the gate is closed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a locked gate doesn't matter if you have a swimming pool.  You're at fault if someone gets hurt climbing over it, and heaven help you if they died/drowned as a result.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if you put up no trespassing signs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, in some cases you're still liable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even shooting someone if you have a notrespassing sign...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean shit someone lost looking for directions your the only farm for miles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You cannot protect yourself from stupidity of other people, all you need is a no tresspassing sign to protect yourself legally....look it up :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your old common laws still hold, if it's one person trespassing you can't shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's more than one, then you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'becomes criminal trespass at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about shooting someone, we are talking about some idiot tresspassing and getting hurt in your pool.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shooting is also relevant.  In some cases, yard is concerned private property and shooting them becomes self-defense.  Other cases, yard is considered to be public property and shooting them becomes attempted murder even if it WAS self-defense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i dont get how its self defence if the person is not threatening'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a person refuses to leave, that's threatening behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'means you can shoot a religious person knocking on doors to give out bibles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I agree, if someone is climbing your gate in you backyard and you dont fear them.  Can you say "haha you climbing over my gate you trespasser now die" and shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes if they are refusing to leave'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'pfff what state do you live in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are even some cases where shooting the guy once he gets into the house can mean you go to jail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has happened in the UK, and it's a fucked up rule'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the front step of a house is considered public property also, just like the driveway. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have a step, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can only shoot someone on your front step if they are trying to get into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I launch a unmanned paper hot air ballon it is my responsibility to recover it so it does not cause damage to someones property if i have to climb a fence then thats that i have to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with permission'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cannot just walk onto someone elses property without permission.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only police can do that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or utility workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even then only under certain conditions, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'True, you can't you can get sued for trespassing.  But does not equal automatic self-defense to kill the person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, police the carte blanche when it comes to coming on your property....they just can't come in your buildings without a warrant or permission.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think anyone was suggesting it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, police have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solution is to build your house in a rectangle with the garden fully contained'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how are you going to get past easement laws?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Believe a few comments from before suggested that Tiger, if not, then my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just covery your walls with razorwire and landmines'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both of which are illegal in the possession of civilians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a flock of attack llamas then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda gives the police a good reason to come storming in.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We use barbed wire on our outer wall just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical in ranch country'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'barbed wire is not razorwire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You haven't seen our barbed wire then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is curled on top of our 8 foot tall stone wall.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'barbed wire is harder to get through than razor wire in many cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'clip razor wire and it just springs a part leaving a gap to pass through'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you raising dinosaurs or something, Riz?  What rancher uses an 8' stone wall?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'took 5 years of extra work to build that wall around an 1600 acre ranch, but it was worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'behind the wall is a wall of hybrid poplar trees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'marijuana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '=P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, a tank'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 10 years ago grandpa bought a tank....it sits on a hill overlooking the driveway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and no, grandpa wanted a fence around his ranch.....he figured he could build one faster than the US govt could build one on the southern border with Mexico....he was right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a wall, not a fence.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how tall is this wall?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around the ranch'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '10' tall'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '8 feet tall stone and concrete wall with 2 feet of barbed wire on top.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does wildlife get in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an 1600 acre ranch, it lives in the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ballistic trajectory'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you manage deer/hog populations?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard he's got a catapult aimed perfectly for efficient delivery of carcasses to the slaughterhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably slaughters himself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, I didn't say it wasn't on the property!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our ranch is surrounded by other ranches......so if we ever want to expand, we have to buy up other ranches....and big ranches are expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whoa, US cats kill an estimated 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion small mammals each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats cos city dwellers and suburbanites keep loads of pets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'domestic cats are supposed to be for smallholdings for vermin management'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the biggest threat are the feral/unowned cats, with an estimated 30-80 million of those, each taking 23-46 birds/129-338 small mammals a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's not pets being taken, usually.  Preferred prey seem to be native species like voles and chipmunks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'has anyone come across any establishments that are adding swipe fees to bills?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though recent legislation means that it is limited to a cost representative of the cost incurred by the vendor'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are swipe fees'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fee payed by the merchant to the bank and credit card co for processing transaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some utilities are adding an extra charge for sending snail-mail paper bills in an attempt to force customers to receive bills electronically - when Bell Canada did that, some cancelled the TV satellite service'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fee payed by the merchant to the bank and credit card co for processing transactiondebate both credit card and debit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been doing that here for a long time, zade, banks are doing the same with paper statements'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and last time i checked it is illegal for vendors to have that minimum credit card transaction amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think there's any legal issues here with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think vendors here are forced to accept payments that would cause problems, like paying in change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i understand the rules are different in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh nevermind they are now allowing up to 10$ min'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have heard of some american businesses, mostly chains refusing cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of an isp or smartphone service is likely at least $500 a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling police because soemone paid with a $100'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wonder how much money gets laundered through cash only business'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've never heard of an American business outright refusing cash.  I have heard of them having cash-only or credit-only lines for checkout, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as much as via HSBC'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other banks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even McDonald's was doing it until recently'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(likely that) Tigernuts is trolling  '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18866018'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704059004575128062835484290.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'boycott McDonalds and eat healthier'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody goes to jail, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're martha stewart'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'martha stewart goes to jail for insider trading, mark zuckerberg does not, that's the power of being an nsa insider'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that limits me to fruit, veggies, and meat.  Everything else is processed and therefore just as "terrible" as McDonald's.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grilling hotdogs is good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you stay away from McDonalds a long while, the next visit: McDonalds smells greasy on entry and the food tastes greasy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but after the unfortunate McDonalds customer loads up on the grease, perhaps the food doesn't smell or taste as greasy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the saps may even look forward to the grease'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'char grilling meat is good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do it on charcoal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dr Oz disagrees'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'straight carbon probably isn't good for you, and many people just do not like the taste of char to begin with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, charrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might be kinda why we use it for poison control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'charring produces carcinogens'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'baby back ribs with homemade bbq sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'baked beans, buttered asparagus, and potato salad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth the butcher-farmer likely wants folk to eat delicious (but not certified cancer-free) foods from his farm '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so be wary of what Rizgoth advertises'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the greed for money make liars out of businessmen)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '15'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people enjoying the hike in bills thanks to obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I didn't get a hike.  Where's my money, Allah!?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2.3% medical excise tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'folk used to take carbon pills to absorb toxins -- not sure whether that practice was of actual medicinal value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'activated charcoal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think activated charcoal is, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a placebo?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similar to the homeopathy placebos'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it actually works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're brave enough to try, you can test for yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can even make your own firebox like the spec ops do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, if it was a placebo then lots of people would've dropped dead from a poison that was still in their system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another example of some selective editing on the part of MSNBC to twist the scope and context of a story (remember they edited Trayvon Martin phone call footage to make it sound like he was racist): http://tinyurl.com/bf8hvst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i purchased carbon pills, never took them - i suppose i disbelieve in quackery -- like what is the activated charcoal going to extract when passing through the gastrointestinal tract - near nada'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the father of one of the sandy hook kids heckling the school?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, there's something even more recent than that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he asks the people a question, they answer him, he responds, MSNBC cuts out the response and then claims that 'gun supporters heckled the father and interupted his grief''
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is MSNBC related to Microsoft'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partnership of Microsft and NBC'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'msnbc is now owned only by nbc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it used to be a partnership of ms and nbc, and a jointly owned company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'msnbc.com changed to nbcnews.com'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit left wing drivel if you ask me, but there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd get a less biased news from Russia Today, lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the USA equivalent of Pravda'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's Pravda?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pravda" supposedly meant "Truth" but published lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pravda was renowned as russian state propoganda media during the soviet era'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aljazeera just bought Al Gores tv channel......aljazeera news network coming to your tv soon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whoha fb down 7.5 % after hrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA equivalent? MSNBC, CNN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no direct comparison, but the nearest you get - government funded, government steered'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whatever was published in "Pravda", the soviet citizens surmised that the opposite as nearer the actual truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Anything that has the letters NBC, ABC, and CBC in it, or owned by their parent companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AJNN '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we aren't yet telling outright lies to each other, but those three networks are learning that what the government doesn't want you to know about they just don't report.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't learning, they are told'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just from your government, either, did you hear about CNN and the pressure/links to the Bahrain government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're starting to see some really fucked-up shit as a result, like a story on some rumour that Ben & Jerry's is to debut a new flavor here next month instead of reporting on something relevant to Sandy Hook or whatever is the big story.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound surprised :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get this in the UK all the time, i have to watch foreign news channels to hear about anything that is going on of note around the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you saw UK's coverage of the American election, you'd think only one candidate was standing, it was bizarre'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the past, they would try edits and relevant stories meant to swing public opinion in a particular direction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they still do that, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but not as much.  Best to avoid letting the opinion form at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol for concealed weapons permit in fl the hunters education class constitutes as firearm training'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh how the not-mighty have fallen. Illinois GOP politicians want to pass marriage equality as soon as possible because more Illinoisians support gay marriage than oppose now and it is predicted that by the mid-term elections of 2014, a majority (the pro-side is below 50% right now, at 47%) will support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are GOP politicians in Illinois?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is her name?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't want to have a hot-button issue (on which they're losing) to interfere with the 2014 elections so they're going against their own party line (and in fact their own beliefs, so of them) to pass it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know their own beliefs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '19 GOP senators.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only belief an Illinois politician has is in the deepest pocket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol for concealed weapons permit in fl the hunters education class constitutes as firearm trainingl'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oopse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool.  As a direct result of Obamacare, I get to pay more tax on biofuel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so...smokers and fat people are now being talked about as the first targets of suggested death panels under obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'next would probably come addicts and other druggies.  If we haven't revolted by then, they'll probably do the convicted next since that's basically a sector of society nobody would miss (and, hey, solves the problem of overcrowding which means more money for all).  I guess after that would come premies and old people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some may opine) the government refusing (to pay) to treat smokers for self-inflicted-smoke-caused-injuries is economic-triage and not a death-panel '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if te USA is going bankrupt, then those that wilfully damage themselves are on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but since (or if) the USa-politicians are callous deceitful and corrupt, perhaps the economic-triage-policy is a thin disguise for death-panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the USA a benign Christian nation, or a country usurped by the callous greedy rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gott 1 mastery point two separate times'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Another 200-1000 coal power plants to be shut down or forced into bankruptcy by left-wing policy over next 5 years. Voters not told of of prices escalating as competition for electricity from Mexico spikes... not to mention job losses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dr Garrow (PHd) reports that psychiatric manual DSM5 will include a generic (invented) mental illness with sufficiently broad scope that anyone that the government wants can be "labelled" as such. These people will be unable to own firearms, will be unable to leave the country or travel interstate except with expressed permission, will be subject to arbitrary searches by law enforcement, will not be able to be employed by government, or in schools, daycare, law enforcement or military, and will be forced to wear inside or about their person an RFID tracking chip'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jew 2.0, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would stress that this is his prediction based on what IS going to be put into DSM5, and based on the legislation being penned at the moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this isn't really anything novel -- there are so many laws, that if they want to get you, sooner or later they will'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will also stress that it IS a logical leap, but it is sufficiently dangerous that should be made aware of'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Swalec.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not novel, but is turning the volume way up'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this is the reason why we (generally) do have due process'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the enabling legislation will be in Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe one cannot go 24 hours without breaking a law :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it is possible for a jury to decide that, even though you clearly did what you are accused off, you are still not guilty'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's more complex thatn that Anaristos -- you cannot know that you have no broken a law, only that you have'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'innocent until proven guilty, ironically, also implies "not yet found guilty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'If I kill someone, have I committed murder? Well, not until the judge decides that I have'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just pointing out how restricted our freedom is :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but restricted freedom is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, but your point doesn't prove this. I mean, yesterday, I didn't get arrested, and I didn't get tried. The probability is that in the rest of my life, I will not get arrested or tried or convicted for anything that I did yesterday. So, while they may be something that I did that I could potentially be arreseted for, in practice I won't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately you have the full weight of vested corporate interests, dumb bottomfeeding 'liberals', and dependants against you'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you always lose the plot TN, dumb bottomfeeding liberals...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you assume that criminals (anyone who breaks a law) are caught each time :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's fortunate, therefore, that most liberals, or indeed way out lefties like myself, are neither dumb nor bottom feeding, so are not included in your statement TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry twyst, it's a comment that plays to the choir, but you watch anything on MSNBC or CNN and you see what I mean - rabid left-wing people'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the type of rabid personality cult followers that say that "if you don't agree with us, you're racist" or other such bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'quite the opposite Anaristos -- you said that our freedom was restricted because there are so many laws, I say that it isn't because we don't get arrested for breaking them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the trick, they're NOT liberals'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a fake liberal or a real liberal, swalec?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'what left-wingers? I think taht depends on definitions really, but these days "rabid left-wingers" is used to describe anyone left of centre'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lawbreakers are potential arrestees, a true free person would never be one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'according to your strange definitions? To know this, I would have to understand your mind, and that is somewhere I don't want to go TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i use rabid left-wingers to describe afformentioned authoritarian fake liberals who think you're racist for not wanting high taxation, large government and police state'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is free though Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one, but the slogans are still there :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no personal bones with people who are left-wing. I  don't agree with them at an ideological level, but I don't call them rabid or be rude to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh, I am a big fan of the police state. I want to see them rounding up people, and hurding them off to the camps regularlty'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just look out of your window, Swalec :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might find that funny, swalec, but that's where you're headed'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you've got hysteria going on such as suspending 5yr olds for having a lego gun, or for pointing his finger at another kid and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or where you call the police on a 5yr old for having a bubble-blower'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Los Angeles, for instance, it is very hard to do something publicly that won't be caught on camera.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, looking out of my window, I can see a motorway, the town moor, and some cold looking cows'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is well in your world. Other people who are using the same political labels as you are doing this crazy things'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has to stand up and say "no" to this kind of bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Look at the US. How can they claim to be a free nation and have Gitmo? Easily, they will tell you that Gitmo is part of the way they guarantee freedom :) There must be some logic there but very subtly hidden :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not hidden, it's missing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mind you, I am not arguing for or against Gitmo. I am pointing out that you can't claim to be a free nation and sustain such a place.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want to not be a free nation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but that goes back to my earlier question, US has never been a free nation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's free'er'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well admitting the problem exists is a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'unless the problem doesn't exist, and it is all in your mind? in which case, it's a bad start. I just raise it as a possibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we can agree that gitmo exists, and that there is hysteria going on over security'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Freedom is an absolute. Free-er is a nonsense. You can posit it as degrees of freedom and that might work. But one is either free or not free.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think intelligence and DHS overreach is imaginary'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I am free to choose between two houses, and you can't leave yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as being 99% free. Freedom only comes in one flavor, 100%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I am free'er than you, but not free Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are less restricted than I, not free-er'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sophism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'neither one of us is free.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you both would need to carefully define both terms to see why you differ in opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are their absolutes in nature Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'freedom and restriction have no opposites. 100% Free does not equal 0% restricted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is an interesting philosophy, please elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you cannot define freedom in terms of restrictions or vice versa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are polar opposites Anaristos, one is define by the earth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'other that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'things are not either black or white, they are black or not black, white or not white. Freedom is the same way. You are either free or not free, restricted or not restricted. But one is not the opposite of the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway, good night. Maybe tomorrow ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'convenient exit but okay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it's terribly important, but i don't completely agree with anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand what he's saying, but it's not a helpful interpretation because it robs you of the ability to define the colour of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a corruptionless, limited regulation system you are not free, but at least the due process is reliable and defined enough as to be predictable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can define that as being free to an extent because you can always predict an outcome'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you (and the UK) have is an UNpredictable system where colour of law is used, laws are sufficiently broad that they can be used for whatever they want to achieve'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that means it is not free, your freedom isn't guaranteed, it's subject to the whims of the people in charge'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hmmm, so what you are saying is that the people in charge, get to control things?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'is that not the definition of "in charge"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that isn't a left-vs right, socialism vs free market issue, it's a liberty vs authoritarian issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately for swalec and twyst, the people in charge, despite being left of centre, are also authoritarian, which tends also to be the case for many (but not all) left-wing governance, including communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'right, so we are currently in a left-wing totalitarian state?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct vector direction, magnitude smaller'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, to channel Chemosh, there are large similarities with Nazi Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you're not unique, it's happening in a lot of places'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chemosh gives me the impression that he is on acid most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'comparisons to Nazi Germany? hmm'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'specifically, huge homeland security clamp down, persecution of certain societal groups, intermingling of corporate and state functions, centralisation of control'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these things are not deniable, whatever the motivations'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not limited to Obama, some Bush kicked this off'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree with you in principle TN, but I think you have the motivations wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you also have to put them into context that Nazi's were socialist, they'er only pigeonholed as extreme right because of the fascism element. in reality left/right can't describe them accurately because it's a two-dimensional argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'take Gitmo for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think Obama leaves gitmo opened because he knows he would be crushed by the right as a left wing pussy terrorist sympathizer if he closed it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they opened gitmo outside of US territory so that they could deliberately avoid the law'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone knows that'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'left and right, where only ever a term of convienience TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but look at the blowback he got for suggesting trying the gitmo detainees in America'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a matter of principle, everyone labels me as rightwing, i want it closed, it's an anaethema, it's existence cannot be justified by anyone with a shred of morals'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that's because you are fairly right-wing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''fairly'?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are right, it is wholly wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'of course, the meaning has changed somewhat over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unjustifiable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, nowadays, it means neo-con'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unjustifiable, so STOP JUSTIFYING IT'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'although you are more sort of tea partyish -- basically neo-con but with added dislike of, well, everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because people compromise morals that this stuff happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where the measure of degrees come in TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being totally against gitmo, would allow worse things to be perpetrated'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gitmo was a given for either side'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that cannot possibly be backed up by fact, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me explain'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so hammer Obama for not closing Gitmo, and either don't vote for him/vote for Romney'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we had to invade iraq because they had WMD's!!!!!11!!!11!!1!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't vote for either, personally, were i entitled to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Iraq was stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not voting for either is still voting for one of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whoever happens to be in the lead'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a flaw of your system'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gitmo was due to laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that we needed to invade Afghanistan in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(we didn't)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there was no need for either of the wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but try telling that to scared, gullible, population'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it depends what you mean by "need" -- it was a useful political expedient to do so'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'my favourite is when CIA thought they made WMD's in Bruichladdich distillery in Scotland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Bruichladdich later released a whisky named WMD, Whisky of mass destruction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with ElFeneri about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least they weren't bombed to smithereens and then apologized to'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd how these talks always go full circle'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole "don't like gitmo? vote for the other guy" argument leads straight into "they both want the same thing because they're both paid off by the same lobbyists" leads into solution being local governance instead of centralised control....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American military sure has done a lot of training with local police to shut down american cities of late'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo, Walmart has limited ammo sales to 3 boxes per person per day because of the high demand for ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Revolution!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who makes the ammo, riz? who do i need to invest in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, and people gave Nero shit for fiddling while Rome burned'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear Obama's new security bloke (Hagel?) drop the ball and utter some truth on live telly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said something to the effect of "The military do not trust the president"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially because they are being trained to fire upon the american people, being trained that patriots and army veteran are terrorists, upper brass are being kicked out if they express concern'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the Egyptian military had not stood down when the public protested, it would have been an absolute massacre'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see the problems they're envisaging, and they are doing us all proud'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could have told you that 16 years ago when clinton was president.....he had a poll done on the military, and 83% of the military said they would not side with the president if there was a major revolution of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good to know, riz, the difference is we have seen a spate of very senior military forcibly removed from their roles because of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a very dangerous precedent'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have foreign UN troops training with the military for this eventuality because they don't have the same prejudice'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has few guns, the populace are outgunned, so we'd be less lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a less polarised society, so we have most of the same problems and issues, but perhaps less severe and with the volume of rhetoric turned down'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is ok, I am sure the new govt of the US will gladly give the people of the UK a lease loan for guns.....we can smuggle them in for ya :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do is weight of numbers. infrastructure is teeting on the edge of overcapacity. In such a small country, were the government to become tyrannical it wouldn't take a great deal to knock it over'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is a different kind of animal'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'inflation does not make all saver poorer! '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what you've savings consist of. If your savings are in cash, then yes it does'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it makes the people who keep thier monies in cash poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it reduces the standard of living for anyone who is paid money'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but given that inflation is pretty much a sure thing why would someone save all thier mony in cash form'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'liquidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cash extends to money in bank accounts'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'generally wages increase inline with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally they don't, they certainly aren't here'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not with the union busting supply siders that is :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the real economy is growing, inflation tends to be wage driven. The "good" sort of inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there is good inflation then there is no need for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive looked at the data and mean wages have increased along with cpi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's your problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wages have been stagnant for decades now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'inflation adjusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation measures are subjective, that's why there are so many'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can say you don't need it all you want, but if the rain comes the river will swell.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wages being flat in real terms means exactly that '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to be pretty careful to use them in a relevant context'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that wages have risen with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for best part of a couple of decades, inflation in housing was high, white goods from negative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also you have to look at the increased supply of workers due to the fact that more women have decided to work'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now food and electric inflation is high, wages are static in real terms'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but productivity and hours worked are up Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'increase in supply of labor with demand of labor staying constant would equate to wages lowering and hrs worked increasing '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'to yes twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well its pretty shitty however you slice it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a simmilar but more drastic effect would be seen i boarders were opened allowing a mass immigration'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and like cancer, will eventually kill the organism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean like what happened to the UK after 1992, Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is why sensible countries say hang inflation (up to a certain point) and focus on real wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im not familiar with uk after 1992'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the deficit/inflation brigade, as usual, miss the forest for the trees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free movement of labour from poor eastern european countries to UK to drive down wages and conditions. 3 million came here between 2001 and 2011'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's equalivent to 7.5million legal mexicans going to US in 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a proportion, we had more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the free markets panacea, cheap labor'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'china and india have been able to compete very effectively with certain types of labor'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to an explosion in the cost of our welfare state, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'eventually as their wealth builds wages will equalize'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll take generations'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is dependant upon countries like China and USA not using slave labour'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which both do'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'africa in my opinion will be the next place for dirt cheap labor...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China use political dissidents in slave camps, USA uses 'criminals'. In either case it's slavery. Given that 90% of the US prison population is black, you make up your own mind if black slavery ever really ended.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it is my understanding that many countries there have a policy of high population growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this will eventually lead to labor abundance on the African continent'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if they don't wipe them all out in a war first'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes a war could to this but for theory it has to be assumed population growth trend stays intact'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'untill it does not then theory can be adjusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure Bill Gates will get over there with his vaccines to steralise and kill them eventually'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are you familiar with Malthusian theory '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've hear of it, let me refresh my memory'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'basically since land is fixed in size a population can only grow so much before the food production on that land will not support growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his ideas are largely correct, though the maths is out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using land as a measure is silly though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't consider a number of factors'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'major flaw with the theory is that he did not take into account rapid productivity increases '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just flattens down the curve, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why flattens ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his worst case scenario is an exponential growth, in reality productivity, technology, and sharing resources means it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however it's undeniable that it's still unustainable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'exponential is steepen'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah TN is saying his theory assumes exponential when new technology flattens that curve out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes tiger thats where i was getting eventually changes productivity should not happen as fast  '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll still happen though, noticable here in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the world isn't close to saturated though TN, its getting there but no in this lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world maybe not, my own country certainly is, other places like hong kong, japan, will struggle'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the second place i was getting is i would expect high inflation in food prices as population increases as long as productivity does not out pace the change  '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was around 8-15% food price rise last year, they're expecting the same this year'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise anything over 10% is considered hyperinflation, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'food is overproduced right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US government pays farmers not to grow food, to stablize prices'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no the us pays farmers to keep people employed in the agro busnesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big aggro, no less'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we have a problem with big supermarket cartels having monopoly over the food supply, forcing farmers out of business by paying below cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another golf clap for the EU'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when what they should doo is protect agrolands from being removed by land development'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, but it's done in a corrupt way'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if its cheaper to produce food else where then do so'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e large corporate interests buy up landbanks safe in the knowledge they're the only ones who can build on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joe bloggs who wants to build a house for himself on a smallholding acnnot'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'developers practically raped south florida on viable farm land'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have enough housing for your population or you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want more houses built, restrict your population'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'build up not out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many do not want to be crammed together, myself included'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe building under-sea is the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'incidentally, how do you think TN, we should restrict our population while maintaining our freedom? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, I am just curious?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'education, and by not adovating promiscuity via the welfare system'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and immigration control'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes! state education for all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state education for all who want it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as more and more farmland is removed cost of producing food on the land left increases'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't think that there is any immigration -- we are all in the same world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurd notion, swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and that does not help agro business'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'really? there is another world? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'free movement of labor!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well be, countries and cultures are different, you cannot enforce a single homogenised collective, it just won't wash'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are too different'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long term the solution is colonisation of other planets'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beyond the scope of our lifetimes though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but inside a country, that's fine? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'need light spped travel at least for that tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inside a country what is fine?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean people are different inside cultures and countries as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily, elch'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inside a country, provided the country isn't too large, they are typically similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'someone wants to come to the us because there is a job here that wants them great let them come'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(more similar)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'while they are here they will buy product and services'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that works fine in a puritanical free market, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality, globalisation has major flaws'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'major flaw is that people are soo short sighted that they do something that "protects" them but in reality it hurts every one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name one way in which sugar protections have helped out the word?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's cutting off your nose in spite of your face. The fact is countries are different, you can't go back and change history. All you can do is try to help bring those poor countries up without screwing over your own. As they come up to speed you can being to relax the protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'describe these sugar protections and what they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US artificially keeps the price of sugar 3x higher in the US compared to the global price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to what end?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'US and many other countries at some point were massively subsidizing sugar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to protect 2 sugar producers in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and what rizgoth said they were doing that too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do a similar thing in the EU with suppliers from Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It also makes hfcs more attractive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a problem if it doesn't come down over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hfcs couldnt compete with natural sugar if the price of sugar in the US was 50% lower.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'all together this caused major dumping of excess sugar into world market causing prices to plunge'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you didn't have them, then i guess all your sugar production would crash overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever way you go, someone loses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the high price of sugar in the US helps corn growers in the US which is worth much more than the sugar industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'effectively making poorer countries unable to profitably produce sugar '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'every one looses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US also limits the amount of sugar that is imported into the US from foreign produers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for free markets, elchanan, but you can't just open everything up at once, including movement of people and expect everything to be hunkydory, it just won't be'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's one of those occasions where ideology conflicts with pragmatism and i don't have an answer for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well you can tiger but yea if it was done all at once some things would become very erratic'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is that i try and buy locally from source to ensure that the producers get a the best deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone did as i did, this would be a much smaller issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but few -are- like me'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(hence the world is shit :-) )'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point of competition and trade is precisely that unproductive industries close down so that workers are better employed doing more productive work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'limiting sugar that can be imported into the US is for a different reason though, it is to force ethanol producers to use corn instead of sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea riz US uses measures to keep the internal price of sugar above the actual world price'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'closing down these industries is a feature and not a bug.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using cheap sugar would reduce the price of ethanol in the US by at least 50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'practially making any one who buys sugar to make product in the US at a loss'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there was a sugar price crash, would sugar land be used for a different purpose?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, to grow stuff that costs more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland is already 1/20th the size it was 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i said agrolands need to be protected to sustain future growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's 1/20th the size of 40yrs ago then it suggests that the problem will eventually solve itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland has more corrupt politicians there then it does sugar refineries now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where -is- sugarland in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so maybe use the lang for another profitable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should grow hemp instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'agro business'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tom Delay was a republican rep from Sugarland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or trees'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sugarland .... florida'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland ie the sugar capital of the US is located as a suburb of Houston Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we waited for all our problems to go away we'd still be in caves. Or gone extinct....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much what we're doing anyway, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lake okeechobee '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'florida is that largest sugar producing state in country'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes Florida does produce a shit ton of sugar, but Sugarland is in Tx'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to solve your problems instead of going extinct, please don't drag the rest of the world down with you...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugar Land is one of the most affluent and fastest-growing cities in Texas, having grown more than 158 percent in the last decade. In the time period of 2000-2007, Sugar Land also enjoyed a 46.24% job growth. As of the 2010 census, its population was 78,817. In 2011, the U.S. Census Bureau estimated that the city's population was 84,511, with a median family income of $113,261 and a median home price of $369,600.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not me, Sonshi, it's the corrupt elite'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i read this book a while back that stated Brazil could supply the entire us demand for sugar for less cost that what we could produce... keep inmind that brazil has/had heavy sugar subsidies at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yet you're anti-trade and by extension, pro-unproductive dying industries...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brazil really needs to stop producing sugar and start protecting the god damned rain forest instead of chopping it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries really should make an effort to be self-sufficient, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'agreed bridging back together rain forest and working on sustainable wood production would probably be more profitable for them long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'let the poorer countries make profits on sugar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil recently found over 10 billion barrels of oil, they will be self sufficient soon enough....they also found huge deposits of natgas under the rain forest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't be pro-self-sufficiency and anti-waste at the same time...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or Australia '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have nothing against being anti-waste. anti-waste and pro-self-sufficiency are largely on the same page'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but self sufficiency cannot work for every one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-sufficiency by definition results in tremendous waste so long as the world is not completely homogeneous'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it cannot work for everyone, clearly, but country-level specialisation isn't a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'land abundant countries produce land intensive goods '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and corruption is a huge side effect too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'labor abundant, produce labor intensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of ethanol in Brazil is as cheap or cheaper than gasoline most of the time.....and all vehicles are flex fuel, so they fill up with whatever is cheaper that day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if you have not much land or labor ... well technology is key'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'corruption correlates pretty well with lack of free trade, and if you examine the tariff systems, you can see where the causation goes...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and brazil sets the %ethanol in gas'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok some people are going to hate me for saying this but africa needs to become super strict on rape/violent crimes and corruption, even if it means harsh capital punishment'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are, like Rwanda and Nigeria, and then liberals get on at them for being puritanical or overly moral'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than harsh punishment, first you'd need to actually catch the offenders.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'get caught taking bribes and it should be almost like treason! killum'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just arm them all and let them fight it out....whoever wins gets africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the severity of the punishment won't have much of an effect unless the rate at which offenders are successfully brought to justice in the first place is high.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but something has got to be done'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and with such high corruption rates and rape/violent crime rates, imprisonment hardly seems an option'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'start by fixing whatever allows criminals to escape...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should really start by fixing your home turf'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let africa fix itself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea riz i was just stating what i think might be the only way to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We tried that with Liberia....sure did work well.....we also tried it with the middle east....sure did work well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just leave them alone and let them fix themselves how they want to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the west won't leave them alone, china has nabbed most of the resources, now france is going in to pinch some gold and uranium mines in Mali, UK is interfering with Algeria'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US are using Eritria and Somalia as rendition points'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while you have the military industrial complex running the US/NATO/UN, nothing will change'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are plenty of resources there. Someone's going to want to exploit them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its somewhat ok for others to invest into mining in Africa '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i do see a problem with is a high % of the cost of the goods and services in africa being due to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a problem with any poor fledgling state'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, that's only something they can solve for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry to have to say it, that the most successful countries in Africa are those that have turned to Christianity in a big way'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'effectively raping the laborers of hard earned wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still corrupt, but at least there's a moderating force'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, like ethiopia?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, like Nigeria and Rwanda'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nigeria: Muslim 50%, Christian 40%, indigenous beliefs 10%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also lower per capita gdp than sudan, which is mostly muslim, and higher than rwanda. So I'm not entirely sure why you think those are great examples...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'forget about religion, morals and ethics are what to remember... if religion is needed for that then so be it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the troubles with hardline islamic sects popping up, it's one of the poster childs of African countries getting their shit together'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonreligious/diverse countries have done well in asia'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the muslims there are of the sufi tradition and secular in policits'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government is stable, popular, socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the strong moral adherance'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"getting their shit together" is pretty subjective when they're still worse off than sudan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sudan is not stable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you measuring the success of a country in purely monetary terms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, sudan isn't stable. Says something that those countries are still worse off economically than sudan, as of 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tell me again when they're better off than egypt or morocco...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg reading the rape page on wiki they are talking about a 9 month old baby being raped in SA'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguable, Nigeria has 6x the population. the difference in GDP isn't great. Nigera being a freemarket and stable would suggest they're far more likely to grow than Sudan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll outgrow sudan, given the problems there... but egypt? Tunisia? Libya? Algeria? Morocco? When will they reach that level?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, if the war on cannabis ends, Morocco's economy will explode'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt and libya are inherantly unstable right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tunisia is still coming out of decades of civil war, so will lag behind'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one would also point out that nigeria has a lower proportion of the population holding christian beliefs compared to zimbabwe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but nigeria doesn't have some old crackpot dictatorship screwing over the coutnry'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the muslim countries that don't have crackpots screwing over the country are also doing fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't you think it has more to do with... I don't know, lack of crackpots running govt rather than a certain religion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does help though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't actually to do with a specific religion, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg reading the rape page on wiki they are talking about a 9 month old baby being raped in SAl'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like they converted last decade...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ach'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the moderate level, islam and christianity are 90% identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, I'm very disturbed thank you, but not very surprised.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did say it was because they are socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't have imply a specific religion really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you want to do it that way, I'd also like to point out that the least religious regions tend to be more developed and freer, worldwide...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is being socially conservative good? well that depends on the situation - we came to this because Elchanan was talking about how to sort out mass murder and rape'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a growing up thing, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA were both very religious through the periods in which they gained their domination of the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and though I'm not religious, you can see that their societies are flying apart now that government has usurped the role of religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was i assked a question'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sorting out crime is a function of how well you can catch the perps and punish them. That's how deterrence works...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is inappropriate for being a moral compass because of the transient and inherently self-interest driven nature of democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yes, our society back home is flying apart at the seams, and I suppose so are those godless scandinavians eh...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that have political indoctrination camps where a nutjob goes loops and shoots a bunch of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one size does not fit all'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK might've been "very religious" when it was building its empire, but to put things in context, you had the spanish inquisition in spain, and worse nutcases and greater fervour on the continent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavians are not like the brits/americans, who are not like the africans, who are not like the arabs'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said it was a panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but comparing nigerians to africans of a different religion is fine, of course! ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have common ground and common purpose, like i said moderate islam and christianity are extremely similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have far more in common that they differ'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but not the scandinavians!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw the scandinavians, they're a bunch of polarbear humping inbred socialists'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi prods Dexter into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have their own culture, needs and outlook'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might work fine for them, it wouldn't necessarily work fine for others'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so now you've gone from claiming "that the most successful countries in Africa are those that have turned to Christianity in a big way" to eh-it's-really-moderate-muslims-too to refusing to have any basis for comparison...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_South_Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hysteria continues: 6yr old girl expelled for bringing a toy gun to school for show and tell'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zero tolerance, bitches'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, i'm going to dend Chuch Hagel here - they're attacking him for claiming that Iran's government is a legitimately elected government'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, just neglected to mention that each vote was made with a gun pointed at the voter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really true now is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1979 uprising was a public-led uprising'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before the US starting imposing sanctions on Iran they were moving towards a free-market economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not even Russia is willing to give iran a nuclear bomb, let alone the ability to build one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have all the science and materials to make one themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet iran would give you some land cheap if you move there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't fancy the climate'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the constant threats'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you learn something new everyday, the supreme leader of Iran is an elected position'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are not excluded from applying to be supreme leader and 9 have done so so far since 1979'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore is getting taken to task for selling his tv station to Qatari Al-Jazeera TV'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, the Pentagon may have been violating US sanctions by buying Iranian oil for the Afghan security forces'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you should know by now that the US govt is not required to abide by the sanctions it creates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, coal eating microbes that burp natgas could be a new source of natgas from coal in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's underground vault in Manhattan, holds 7,000 metric tons (7,716 tons) of gold bullion (225.1 million oz. troy)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how much is actually there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how much of that belongs to foreigners'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I'm sure it's all there, no leasing, paper gold or anything like that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhhh'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States Bullion Depository (Fort Knox) holds 4,578 metric tons (5,046.3 short tons) of gold bullion (147.2 million oz. troy).'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't actually keep gold at Fort Knox anymore...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i learned that watching die hard 3'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During World War II, the depository held the original U.S. Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. It held the reserves of European countries and key documents from Western history'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed does both lease and leverage gold'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of the best kept secrets, right up there with Area 51 and why hot dog buns come in packs of 8 but hot dogs only come in packs of 10.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During World War II, the depository held the original U.S. Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. It held the reserves of European countries and key documents from Western history, for example, it held the Crown of St. Stephen, part of the Hungarian crown jewels, given to American soldiers to prevent them from falling into Soviet hands. The repository held one of four copies (exemplifications) of the Magna Carta, which had been sent for display at the 1939 New York World's Fair, and which, when war broke out, was kept in America for the duration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Many of the presidential treasures are kept in the deep dungeons of the depository.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Obama's birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be in Hawaii.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh snap, did tigernuts just went birther? :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find it doesn't exist :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ocams razor, most likely answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. i don't think you understand what occam's razor is about'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, all the presidents have the same birth certificate.  They just photoshop in the details.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US holds about 6% of all the gold EVER mined in human history in various depositories, plus another 3% owned by other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'plus about 300% of total gold ever mined in paper bets? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also has 112% of the remaining green shield stamps'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hurry up and start a war, world is getting boring'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.wimp.com/nextsurveillance/'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 10,000 years ago, the sea level was 300 feet lower than it is now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.earth-issues.com/2013/02/01/super-volcano-awakening-in-italy/'